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My Blacks experience:
Its the creme de la creme of Buesnos Aires mongerdom. YES!!! Let me repeat that. YES!!!!!!!! Some of the girls there are top of the line. One blond in particular with fitness model legs was about as good as it gets. One look at her and I was just a hunk of burnin love (burnin a hole where I lay ). Thank you Elvis. Unfortunately, she was taken but I will be back next week. Fortunately, there are plenty of other top of the girls there.
In my recurring attempts to establish some level of personal discipline in these matters I was determined to hold off making my move until I found just the right girl. I am here to report that I completely and totally failed again. I was sitting at the bar when a very pretty girl gave me a wink and a smile after we made eye contact. Naturally I responded with the biggest shit eatin grin imaginable and the rest is history especially after she started rubbing into me. Thats an absolute killer for me. Lord, I am weak.
We went back to my apartment for a toda la noche at 150.00 US dollars. The GFE from Georgi Anne was first rate and I was more than pleased with her but a funny thing happened on the way to OZ. After two sessions with her we were laying on the bed discussing Senor Tango. I could not help but rub her luscious thighs when all hell broke loose. This girl's hips start buckin, her thighs start thrashing, and more moans and shrieks than a Nina Hartley movie start errupting out of her. She grabs ahold of old hank and dam near rams him in into munkinland uncovered.. Jesus Christ. I thought she woke up the whole apartment building and SWAT would be arriving any minute. Great sex. The looks I got the following afternoon from my neighbor said it all. My response: a big shit eatin grin.
After that, Georgi Ann and I talked some more about going to Senor Tango on Monday. Her offer was as follows: She picks me up around 4 PM (she has a car) for drinks at her favorite place. Then we go to Senor Tango. Then we fuck the rest of the night. 300 US dollars. As explosive as her sex is (plus the GFE) I will at least consider it. She is one helluva explosive fuck. My god, what would the neighbors think.
Prior to going to Blacks I stopped off at Solid Gold based on a prior post by Umgman. It was ok but not up to Playwoman and certainly not up to Blacks standards. However, it could easily have been just an off night there. I will try it again next week. I did have about a 2 hour conversation with an older (37) woman there concerning life in Argentina and the politics there. For those of us from America we are very lucky. This woman used to live in Mami but had to return to Argentina because of her mothers failing health. She wants desperately to go back. Most of the girls I've meet here want to go to America.
Later today I will be off to MDP for the weekend. Reports to follow. Finally, I am rapidly becoming one fucked out dude. Fucking with likes of Georgi Anne can be ¨hard¨ work.
Notes and observations:
Jamesbond69 - Blacks is a definately a cut above Playwoman in my opinion but Playwoman is nothing to sneeze at. Plenty of hot girls there. The dress code at Blacks was what I would call business casual. You did see some suits but also plenty of Polo shirt types (preppy look). Prices were higher than Playwoman but the girls overall were better as well (looks wise).
Went to downtown BA to pick up my tickets for MDP. Mayra at argentinago.com booked them for me. The girl I dealt with was Jorgelina. WOW. What packed ass that girl has. She filled out a pair of jeans the way they were meant to be. She was all smiles and liked to flirt. God how I wish I could speak Spanish. There are so many attractive girls like her down here.
i thought 90% of the girls at blacks were no better then a 5 or 6
5% were 7's
5% were 8's" and that's pushing it
just one man's opinion
starfe
It's funny because I think Black's can be inconsistent. I went there about 4 nights. One night it was how Toosh described it. One night it was how Starfe described it. The other 2 nights was a mixture. ALL of these places will have good nights and bad nights. For the most part though you can expect to pay more money at Black's. This will be a turn off to a lot of guys that go down there.
Also, a few of the nights I stayed there several hours. If you see the girl that you're interested in...don't hold off too long. Odds are someone will snatch her. I saw a few solid 9's that I wanted to hook up with but other guys grabbed before I could talk to them. Don't hesitate to negotiate a little with the girls. Most of the girls in the clubs are ready to deal.
Generally though the girls in Black's are more jaded. I know several guys that know girls down there well. Some of the girls they knew were sweet as pie and then turned into total b*tches when they started working at Black's.
Have fun and enjoy life fellas.
TOOSH!
Way to fucking go!
By the time you read this you probably will be in Mar Del Plata--remember--its winter down there (off season) so don't judge the place to quickly until you have visited that damn hobby bar near the Sheraton. Every single driver knows it.
Also--the Manantialas Hotel is Chica friendly--just stroll in with your prey and wink at the night clerk. No need to register the girl.
I can only hope that it is half as hopin as when I was there in March. You will fucking love it. (AND DO NOT DARE PAY OVER 150 pesos in that place---since its off season, you should be in the driver seat during all negotiations)
REGARDIN BLACKS--if you are bored and scroll back through my posts you will see that LA Larry has never been a great champion of Blacks. DON'T GET ME WRONG--its a great fucking place, but I much prefer PLAYWOMAN night in and night out. 1) its cheaper; 200 pesos for a young hottie like Paula with 36DD fake ones and liposuctioned hips and ass--she is a flat out a porn star experience as my good buddy SAINT can attest. 2) Playwoman girls dont give off the hotter than shit vibe like Blacks girls do.
Dont get me wrong--Blacks is a fantastic place and relative to anything in the US--you cant be it for its upscale decor and honest staff, and stellar location.
BUT REMEMBER--its fundementally crazy to pay a Blacks girl (or any BA girl $300 US dollars for anything short of a week of all out sex.
My expereince in BA is that you can always get a hottie for 150 pesos for approximately 1.5--3 hours of unrushed, GFE sex.
$300 US dollars should be enough to purchase you 5 GFEs with 5 hot 22 year old girls with whatever attributes you desire (big tits, little tits, whatever you want).
When I am in Argentina--I am looking to bag as many chicas as possible.
I also would rather have sex with a girl twice and then send her packing so that I have more energy for the next afternoon and evenings adventures. (I am at a point now that 2 loads is usually sufficient for me to feel like I got my money's worth). So I suggest not paying for a TLN when you know you want need it.
Lastly--I have always found it a much better practice to negotiate a price for a chica (say 150 pesos for a few hours in Mar Del Plata) and then let her know that you might be real generous if she performs over like a champion in the saddle. Throw her another 50 for anal or a face bath. And then give her 50 more when she leaves. AND make sure you always get there cell phone numbers---better to call a known entity a few days later--than an completely unknown from the newspapers.
The bar girls always offer cheaper rates for afternoon fun.
Yes, L.A. Larry is correct. Generally I know I paid more than was necessary most times. Do I regret it? Nope. Will I be as generous this trip? Probably not. I agree with Larry. $300 US is too much for any girl there. I don't care if she has sparklers shooting out of her "mariposa"..... I wouldn't pay that down in B.A. In fact, several girls from Black's asked me for $200 US and I laughed. $200 US right now is equivolent to 720 pesos. Do you know that the average salary in B.A. is less than 400 pesos a MONTH!
I'm not sure if you can always get a superstar for as low as Larry says but generally 150-250 pesos should be more than enough for a short time (1 1/2 - 3 hours) visit. If a superstar in Blacks or Playwoman asks for some outrageous amount. Get her phone number and ask if she will see you during the day. I did this several times and most were willing to go for 200 pesos during a 2 hour afternoon visit.
As Larry mentioned, Paola is awesome in bed. While her face is not over a 7.5 her body is rocking and her boob job is excellent. In bed it really is literally a PSE (porn star experience). She will go as many rounds as you can last, she talks dirty in bed, will do any position you can imagine...(trust me..I'm like an acrobat in bed and we were in several various positions). I'm not sure about Greek as I'm not into it but nothing would surprise me. She is also a certified lesbian. I'm not sure if she still is dating Rachel (her girlfriend) that works at Sodoma but she was a few months ago.
It was comical. Paola calls her from my room after the first couple rounds of sex. Apparently she is trying to make her jealous and even has me get on the phone. These girls lives are like a soap opera..I swear. I still talk to some of the girls i met on the phone and on IM's and I get the latest scoop. I could tell you some stories that would make you pee your pants laughing.
Remember, don't take the first offer you get unless you truly think it's a good deal for you. I'm not saying be a cheap ass...but don't waste money either.
P.S. Also, try to get as good a look possible in the clubs. Many of the girls look different in the full light of your hotel room and/or when they took off their clothes. I'm not saying they turned into pigs but..... some of the girls definitely looked better with their clothes on than off.
Larry. I talked to one of the Playwoman girls today on the phone. She tells me there is a whole new fresh crop of girls at Playwoman. Also at Blacks. I'll do my best to "welcome" the newbies when I'm there at the end of the month. I also want to check out Shampoo. I'm dying to know how that place is. I hear before it closed it was pretty good. For some of you there right now..check it out for us.
The last thing to consider while reading these boards is that everyone's tastes are different. A Pamela Andersen to one guy might be a Rosie O'Donnell to another (yes..a little extreme comparison but hey...). Once you go to B.A. you'll meet some of the girls that some of us wrote about and you'll get a sense of what each members tastes are. I've met some really good guys from this board. This is what it's all about.
Saint, LA Larry, Hulk, Scarfe, etc, I've had a number of Playwoman experiences but never a Blacks experience in BA but did have one in Miami with a girl that works there while she's in Ba and who is also Nataly on Platynum.com and I had the greatest GFE of my life with this chica in Miami. She's got the shapliest legs and ass and like a full C silicone enhanced chest and in bed she gave me the best bbjj and fuck in any position I wanted. Plus she was incredibly enthusiastic about getting me off both times. Did a world class XXX star blowjob with awesome hand action, felt like I was John Staglione or someone like that. Before and after the hotel she was just like a girlfriend...friendly as hell, good conversation over dinner and wine in Spanish, she held my hand at the dinner table and when we got to my car after dinner she threw herself into my arms and planted a big wet one on me and stuck her tongue way down my throat. In the car of the way to the hotel she asked me if I was shy and I said I wasn't but that I'd rather not crack up the rental car with her mouth on my dick. This is just how it went. And this girl is gorgeous, typical Blacks type looks, gorgeous hair, shapely body, etc, etc,. So based on that guys, if she's any indicator of Blacks I'd have to say WOW WOW WOW and OH MY FUCKING GOD!!! Life with these BA girls is awesome. Have fun at Black guys, all you lucky bastards who are down in BA at the moment. DownBA
JustGotBack
08-03-02, 23:39
LA Larry,
I know this is the wrong forum, but since I saw I recent post from you here, I thought I'd ask here instead of the La Plata forum.
Can you please give us more details on where to find hobby bars in La Plata. I read your great review of it a few months back, but I like others can't seem to find the places you are describiing.
thanks
I´ve posted my first day report from Mar del Plata on it´s forum.
Hi everybody,
I am a Frenchman going to BA on Sep 26 for a 2 week shooting session.
I have 4 questions for the people who recently were down in BA :
1. As far lodging is concerned I hesitate between Etoile hotel and an appartment in Recoleta. Any advises?
2. As far as website escort sites are concerned I have a question for those of you who have used recently thoses services : are the prices quoted in $ (for some ladies) in US$ or in Pesos?
3. any feedback on the following ladies from Platynum :
Alessandra, Barbie, Bella, Carim, Claudya, Demi, Evelyn, Gricela, Liv, Mia
4. Finally, do the ladies (escort and club-ladies) provide blowjob without condom (like in an FKK German club)?
Thanks for sharing your experiences.
JamesBond69
08-06-02, 22:25
My expertise is Cuba: the providers are great - real GFE but a cat and mouse game, since it's a total police state & prostitution is illegal.
I'm planning on going down to BA/MDP in October/November and was thinking of returning via San Jose to check out the CR scene but wonder if it is worth it.
It seems from reading the San Jose and BA posts that for a modest price you really get a high quality experience in the Argentine while San Jose seems more a tourist trap "gringo gulch" fast food SexMcDonalds.
How does BA compare/differ from San Jose in quality, cost, GFE, overall quality?
Bond..........James Bond,
I was last in Costa Rica summer of 1994. Availed myself of numerous young women 18 - 24. Most were 6-8's.
The place that was hot then was Key Largo a club with about 50 to 60 women looking for action most nights. It's across the street from the Del Ray Hotel. Which is very girl and tourist friendly...especially for English speaking clients.
I have continued to read the posts from CR and it seems the scene is approximately the same. Not too much has changed apparently.
However, I have been reading the BA posts for quite some time ..............and honestly.....these Platynum babes are flat out ,drop dead gorgeous...for the most part.
Frankly, I have been tossing around whether to spend the last two weeks of December in Havana, Cuba or BA. I have'nt been to either before.
Currently, I am leaning towards BA. I don't plan to revisit CR again. I thought it was fun but not enough to warrant a second visit.
I would be very interested to hear anyones comparisions regarding BA and Cuba .
Rickster
JamesBond69
08-07-02, 00:40
>Currently, I am leaning towards BA. I don't plan to revisit CR again. I >thought it was fun but not enough to warrant a second visit.
>I would be very interested to hear anyones comparisions regarding BA and >Cuba .
OK. You've been to CR and I' ve been to Cuba. Cuba is great - incredible women - but the prices are inflated - $75-100 althought the quality high, like I imagine BA - very smart twenty something amateurs going pro (GFE) because of the economic situation rather than seasonaly migrant hard cored pros from Colombia, DR, Brazil, Nicaragua, Panama - going to CR/San Jose to make fast money off the Gringo-s in the gulch to support their families back home ie SexMcDonalds/Disneyland commercial sex.
The problem with Cuba is the police/state/Castro. The hobby is illegal and there are no brothels, spas, MP, hooker night clubs (although Comodoro is the closest thing) etc.
Everything still exists in Cuba (if you read the posts on the Saudi Arabia forum pro sex exists everywhere on earth, thank God) but it's not a cake walk. You have to figure out how the system works - know a Cuba you can trust to find an illegal residence with a separate entrance, no ID check, etc. CAT AND MOUSE with the police all night long, with the girls truly terrified that they will end up in hooker jail. You want to hobby like that. I think not!
If you are going there solely for the hobby I would seriously consider BA, as it's seriously difficult in Cuba now with the police and such - Cuba got this sex reputation starting in 1993 when the Soviet Union pulled out and they had to use in part the women to bring in hard currency from tourrist to survive until they could join the global economy and not be just a welfare showcase for Russian but that situation no longer exists. The have an export economy for sugar and have build up a serious tourist infrastructue with European hotel chains such as Melia from Italy/Spain.
So why go through the hassle and mouse and cat game to find a place to go horizontal. In BA all you have to do is take them back to your hotel room, no problem.
When it comes down to it , the hobby is about finding a space to practice without your desires without having to pay for double occupancy to the man.
JamesBond69
08-07-02, 00:55
I should add if the hobby isn't he only reason to visit Cuba. GO by all means. the country and the people are fascinating.
Where else can you go on earth to a place where you can not find a Starbucks, McDonalds, etc. It's a most interesting place and the people are really smart and friendly.
But for the hobby BA seems to be the place right now. Inexpensive and high class providers.
JustGotBack
08-07-02, 17:38
Can someone tell me where the Shampoo club is?
thanks
James Bond writes...
"The CAT AND MOUSE with the police all night long, with the girls truly terrified that they will end up in hooker jail. You want to hobby like that. I think not!"
I think you pretty much helped me decide where I'm going for December. BA it is.
However, I hope someday to visit Cuba. From Michigan I would fly to Toronto then direct to Cuba. Another hassle. But that little island fascinates me. Unique culture and all.
Rickster
justgotback:
Shampoo used to be located at 300 Quintana Av. (near Quintana and Callao)
Hope this helps,
Andres
Help, por favor
I have been checking out a side trip to Rio. www.optar.com has a ba-rio-ba hotel and airfare package, but I can't tell if the prices are in pesos or dollars. Translation site does not seem to work well on these pages.
If someone knowledgable in spanish has some spare time, please check the site out and post back. There are some other interesting packages at the site.
DCRain:
I checked de webpage you mentioned and there's a note at the bottom of the page that says that packages within Argentina are quoted in pesos and packages outside Argentina are quoted in U.S. $
After seeing the prizes for trips to Rio on this page, I found them to be rather high. I think you can get a better deal at http://www.ar.despegar.com/
I used them for a side trip to Rio recently and got a very good deal.
in the mar de plata thread, toosh writes:
> By the way, I went into Shampoo late last night. I took out
> a solid 8.5 out of there for 100 pesos. Some of the dancers
> in there are about as hot as they get. WOW!!! I didn´t get
> around to finding out if they were available as I was
> otherwise occupied.
nice, a reopened shampoo and it sounds like the prices are even less than the rest of the spots (playwoman, blacks, etc).
i hope someone can give us more info, before i leave next week!
ALSO, I MY POST RE: RECIFE, BRASIL WAS NEVER ANSWERED - ANYONE KNOW OF ANY RECENT (SINCE JUNE) EXPERIENCES?
Hulk, I tried that site earlier today too . I remebered your old post and finally located it in the rio section. I didn't have any luck there either with the translation page. I found a fare for the late November-early December time frame that worked out to about $209 us. My problem was that I couldn't tell if it included hotel or if it was available to persons not holding an Argentina passport.
Hi there guys,
Toosh or whoever else has been to the reopened Shampoo nightclub, please keep us informed ... it sound to be good value compared to Black and Playwomen ... many chicas in there ??? average quality ?? did you have to pay to get the chica out of the club ??? where is it exactly located ???
Thank you in advance, RO
I did not go into Shampoo until almost 4 AM. I´ve become quite a night owl since I arrived here. The selection at that time was not all that great so I went for the best girl I could find at that time. I am not sure what the selection would be at 12:00 or 1:00 AM. I´m sure it would be better.
The girl originally wanted 200 pesos but since it was very late she either had to take that or not get anything at all. Perhaps if it were earlier she would not have come down that much.
The bar itself is a nice place. Certainly better that some of the other places that are commonly mentioned here. Since I leave today I will not be able to add anymore to the discussion about Shampoo.
Spent my last night here with Gabrielle (Blacks). What a woman! Classy, beautiful, and some of the best legs on this planet. God how I will miss this place.
I don´t want bum anyone out. But I got a BBBJ from a girl from PlayWoman last night. Afterwards, she asked me if I ever got a BBBJ from Claudia. I said yes. She freaked out. She said that Claudia has some kind of disease in her month. Red painful spots. Could be gonnerhea. The girl was concerned that I may have passed it on to her. Since it´s been months since I saw Claudia, I assured her that I didn´t have anything. Just the same, I´m going to get checked out when I get home. Also, no more BBBJs for me. I´m not really concerned, but why take the chance. It´s CBJ from now on.
What´s amazing to me is that I haven´t been to PlayWoman in months. I walked in and a few of the girls remembered me. The girl I choose even said that she remembered that I was with Claudia last time. She said that Claudia wasn´t working there anymore. I asked why, but she said she didn´t know. After the BBBJ question above, she finally said it was because all the girls knew she had a disease and shunned her.
There was an earlier post mentioning that there may be some new girls at PlayWoman. They looked the same to me.
Here´s a little trip report.
I went to Shampoo last night. It´s at 362 Quintara. Thanks to the guy who gave a location earlier. You can´t miss it, there are guys handing out cards on the corners. It´s a very classy club. Classier than Black. Entrance is 20 pesos including 1 drink. Happy hour is between 9 and 10. I showed up at around 10:30. It was pretty dead. There were a couple of other guys there. There are dancers. There were about 5 or 6 girls working there when I got there. They were between 4 and 7s, nothing to write home about. My Spanish isn´t so great, but I thought that one of the working girls told me that the dancers worked too. But after a full rotation of dancers, I didn´t see any on the floor. Which is OK, they were 7 and 8s. I wished the waitress´s worked though. 3 of them were easily 9 and 10s. After about an hour, there were many more men but not anymore girls. Maybe I was there too early. I left for Blacks.
Blacks, as usual, was jammed full of 8, 9 and 10s. What was unusual this time, is that the doorman didn´t make me pay an entrance fee. I was waiting in line and he just told me to go on up. The thing I don´t like about Blacks is that the men and girls don´t mix it up much like in the other clubs. The men are on one side and the women on the other. It´s like a junior high school dance. It´s hard to get a vibe about a girl without making a choice first. At other clubs, PlayWoman, you can talk to a few and get a good vibe before settling down for drinks. Anyways, I choose Daniella a 10 in my book. Blond, incredible body and 23. We had some drinks and a nice talk. I asked how much it would be to have her come back to the hotel with me. She says 300 dollars. To me, that´s ridiculous. The last time I was here I thought 100 dollars was a lot in Blacks. I talk here down to 100 dollars. Which seem to put a pale on her attitude. She went from bubblely to merely friendly. There was no way I was going to pay 300 dollars. The sex was good, but lacked that special vibe you get with some of the girls. In fact, I´ve never had such a great time with any Blacks girl. They look incredible, but they aren´t very GFE. Considering that they cost about twice as much as a girl from PlayWoman, I think I´m going to shy away from Blacks. It comes down to either getting 1 girl from Blacks or 2 from PlayWoman or Platynum for about the same money. I´ll get the two. You can find some incredible women at PlayWoman or Platynum. In fact Platynum women cost about 200 pesos and no bar fees of about 100 pesos or so, they are a damn good value.
I thought the ATM issues were over. A couple of days ago, I didn´t have any trouble getting cash. Today, I noticed that no one was using the ATMs. A bad sign. Sure enough I´ve tried about 10 ATMs with 2 different cards. There´s no money to be had. I was hoping to stock up before the weekend. I had to cash in some precious dollars out of my reserve. BRING DOLLARS!!!!!!
Oh, can someone give me some advice about the Platynum girls. Like what hours most of them work. Sometimes I don´t find anything in the clubs and think about calling, but it´s 2 in the morning. Is that too late? I figure they need to sleep sometime.
Way to go Bapunter. (but bummer about that Claudia girl. Do you know what other names she might go by?) But the other thing is to take what some of these girls say with a grain of salt. I've learned that some of these girls hate eachother. While I was in Playwoman a few of them saw that I was interested in one and they would tell me all kinds of stories about that girl. Some of these girls are ruthless!
If you're gonna cut BBBJ's from your repertoire then you better add kissing, oral on her and some other things to your list. No one said there is not risks associated with this hobby. Hunters have their risks and they take their own precautions. (one of them is wearing this silly looking orange florescent vests..ha, ha). Personally it would take a lot for me to give up my BBBJ's. ;)
When I'm in the bed with the girl I give her a good look over and try to see how her hygiene skills are. Granted your little head might be thinking more than your big head but always exercise good judgement.
Thanks for the information and address of Shampoo. Sounds like it isn't the same as the glory days. Maybe it's hit or miss like most places. I still plan to try it out.
As far as Blacks...you've discovered the same as all of us. I wonder if that Daniela is the same one that tried husling me? If so, we have different play "books". The one that I talked to i wouldn't give higher than a 7.5. The Daniela I talked to was also a blonde, from Brazil (almost looked German), was pretty but not gorgeous. She also wanted something astronomical. Like I've said before, NEVER take the first offer you get unless it's reasonable. These girls WILL deal.
As far as being GFE. Some are and some aren't. My friend and I didn't see that many girls from Blacks but we both got a few girls that were great. In fact, my friend saw a ton of girls too and his best session of the trip was from a brunette girl from Blacks. (he did pay her a ton though).
I don't think the ATM "issues" will be resolved long-term for a long time. That country is in deep trouble. It's not like Brazil where the US must bail it out. We don't do enough business with Argentina to be forced to help them. If you're headed down there, bring plenty of cash. You don't want to spend all your precious time trying to find ATM's to get money.
As far as the question about Platynum girls.....It's only my opinion and I'm NO expert on the website girls but who cares how late it is. Try them whatever time you want to see them. If they are available they will answer the phone... if not..they won't. These girls after all are escorts not physicians on call. Most I'm sure are up late. Even if they are sleeping, I'm sure they'd rather be up making money. Until the IMF bails Argentina out..... WE are the "IMF" for them. Tourism is the only industry growing right now in BA. We are spending a ton in B.A.
JamesBond69
08-09-02, 18:58
>If you're headed down there, bring plenty of cash. You don't want to spend >all your precious time trying to find ATM's to get money.
What about American Express or Thomas Cook travelers checks in US Dollars? Are they difficult to exchange at a fair rate? Do you have to wait on long lines at banks?
Also for cash what denominations do you suggest? $50, $100's....what would be the best mix of cash, travelers checks, and relying on your ATM, give the situation in BA now and in the near future.
Saint, I think we may be talking about a different Daniella. While the descriptions match, this one says she´s from Buenos Aires. She also works with her sister Carolina. They hang out together at Blacks.
Saint, I know what you are talking about the girls bad mouthing each other. Some of them do it all the time. Almost everyone bad mouths Lisa. Who happens to be one of the hottest girls there. On the otherhand, some of the girls are great. If they are talking to you and they get the vibe that your´re not interested. They´ll ask you who you are looking at and bring them over for you. There´s this one girl who I´ve told I´m not interested in, but she always comes over to say hi. Then she gives me the lowdown on the girls. Who´s there, who´s out, etc. She never puts any pressure on me at all. I appreciate that.
I brought 100s. The lines look long to exchange money, but they move pretty quickly. I don´t know what the acceptance of traveller´s checks are. I actually did find an ATM with money this afternoon. I walked to Barrio Norte and went to a french bank. The ATM there was stocked. Now I have enough to last me through the end of the trip.
Hello to all the great posters on the site. I think I have read every article in the archives just to get the feel of BA. Something has developed where I will be traveling to BA 3-4 times per year.
I have pretty good first hand knowlegde of Amsterdam and Frankfurt, but a complete stranger to SA .
So, I have a few questions for those with the great local knowledge.
1. Of course I have looked at most of the escort sites and my take on them is as follows. Most sites do not give prices, except for Escorts-Argentina. All of the advertisers offer $100.00 usd. This just seems crazy ( 360 pesos ). I have looked at the Rubio 59 site which does have prices in USD and the prices ar $16 - 41, with many at $22 and $27 ( 80 -100 pesos) and these are many of the same girls on platynum and Escorts argentina. So what is the opinion of the crew on the $100.00 usd offers, is this just fishing for a fat wallet / uninformed tourist?
It appears that almost any girl is available for 100 - 150 P, if you are a little savy how you make the connection. And some really beutiful girls for 80 p as well.
The ads from Rubio 59 all say $ per hour, but most of the reports say that club sessions are about 1.5 hours on average. Are the lower prices possibly due to a shorter time? They also say Tiempo completo, translation = TIME COMPLETE?, is this the same as COMPLETE service or is this a full hour without a refference to anal. I am not clear on this point - In Brazil Complete means with Greek ( Am I wrong here? ) But that is Brazil. In my research of the postings, I think it is said that COMPLETE in AR means the same thing. Can anyone give me a few pointers here? Does complete - completo in the BA environment mean greek is OK or just full service? Many of the ads say complete and many do not mention this. If it is left out, I am sure it can be discussed, but would the experts say this is mainly because they just do not partake in COMPLETE service?
2. There are hundreds of beautiful girls on the sites, Do these same girls work at the clubs or when they go the escort route do they stay the course and not double dip at the clubs? I kind of imagine that these club girls are not really free to leave on a dime if they get a cell call when working at the club. Any advice/info on this observation? Or are they available for escort until 11:00 pm and then off to work at the clubs? Some of the escorts list hours to 11:00 ( 21:00 ) , is this a signal that they need to get to club at that time? They have to sleep sometime!
3. What is the policy to get the numbers of the beauties for the next day. ie, if you drop the entry fee to get into Blacks, it appears that if you ask someone over you are commited to buy a drink for them, so if you want to talk to one, it will cost you 30? pesos for this privledge. Can you just say to her, hey your fabulous and I would love to see you outside of the club and get a number on a napkin? Is this how it works. It sounds like some of the other clubs you can make contact without the comitment. True or false. It sounds like a plan to get the number a beauty from the club and try to arrange for the next afternoon - at half price!
Thanks to anyone with some input / advice on the above inquiries.
Ibiza007
Originally posted by ibiza007
1. Of course I have looked at most of the escort sites and my take on them is as follows. Most sites do not give prices, except for Escorts-Argentina. All of the advertisers offer $100.00 usd.
anal. I am not clear on this point - In Brazil Complete means with Greek ( Am I wrong here? ) But that is Brazil. In my research of the postings, I think it is said that COMPLETE in AR means the same thing. Can anyone give me a few pointers here? Does complete - completo in the BA environment mean greek is OK or just full service?
Ibiza007 [/i]
Argentinian Pesos are demoninated with the $, same as the US. Those prices are in $Pesos, not $US. This from an earlier message. But I don't recall which one.
For completo, see Hulk's posting on 8/2. It means oral, vaginal, and anal service, if not advertised it may be available, usually $50 Pesos additional.
lotsafun - Thanks for the reply. I thought this was the case as well, so I emailed 3-4 of the Escort Argentina girls and they all replied dollares american $100. So I think they are just hoping that they will get the higher price.
I also emailed Ariana - webmistress for Escorts Argentina and she replied to check the FAQ for her site, and it says quotes are in American dollars.
Thanks for the reply on the Complete question.
Does anyone have any info on SEX59.com.ar. It looks way to good to be true, all of the photos look like playboy girls and they have to be airbrushed. Especially one called Barbi, ubelievable!
Also - Greta , she is brazillian and has her own site. She is on every site with a different name, but gretamodel,com.ar is her own site. Long dark black hair,thin and tall, claims ex-playboy brazil if that helps narrow it down. Ha spictures with a metal sculpture type bra.
And - sorry to keep asking! - Barbarella, the dark skinned brazillian with the killer body and the red boots. I think there are some posts on her if it is the same girl, always has tall boots in the photos.
Ibiza007
Actually lotsafun. You are mistaken. The prices on that site are indeed quoted in US Dollars. Trust me. I met with one of the owners for lunch while I was in B.A. BUT, what they are asking for and what you negotiate are two different things. I personally wouldn't pay $100 US for a short time visit but who knows..maybe some of these beauties are worth it. I actually ended up paying a few girls a ton of money for all nighters.
ibiza007, your post is too long for me to try to answer now but I think most of those questions are indeed answered throughout the April/May postings.
(1) IMHO you are wrong when you post, "It appears that almost any girl is available for 100 - 150 P, if you are a little savy how you make the connection. And some really beutiful girls for 80 p as well." You probably can get some very pretty girls for 100-150 pesos BUT NOT "almost any girl". The true superstars you'll be very lucky to pay less than 200 pesos for a short time session. This is all IMHO (in my humble opinion) but let's keep things in perspective too. 200 pesos is still only about $55 US. I'm not saying that you won't be able to find any super hotties willing to go for less but you shouldn't give people the idea that all these Playboy type girls are willing to spread their legs for a few pesos. (Most of the super hotties on Area-Vip were happy with 200 - 250 pesos for a short time visit and this was back in May when the exchange rate was 3.15 - 3.20). I don't know about Greek as I'm not into it. I never inquired about this service although 2 asked if I was interested but i passed.
(2) NO, these girls that are on the various websites do not work in the clubs too. There may be a few exceptions but all the ones I asked looked at me like I was crazy. And the girls in the clubs for the most part think you are nuts if you tell them you see girls from the internet. A few tried telling me horror stories about internet girls but I just smiled and told them I was having good luck. The internet girls like the freedom of working when they want. The club girls are kind of slaves to their jobs. Once they show up they have to work. It's interesting because sometimes a girl might ask you to buy her fee out so she can go home. These girls for the most part sleep during the day and work at night.
(3) As far as getting numbers in the clubs. There probably isn't any true protocol to this but..... generally if you're sitting at a table or "booth" and a girl comes and sits with you then you might fell like a slug not at least buying a drink and chatting with her before getting her number. Personally i never walked into a club thinking I'd go home alone so I always bought drinks. Even if you don't select that particular girl you can use the purchased drinks towards your "exit" fee for either short term or all night. If you know you're not gonna see a girl and only want to get her number...just stand at the bar with your drink or if you're in Black's...just stand near the bar without sitting down. Tons of girls are walking around. If you see a hottie, get her attention and tell her something like you've been working all day and you're really tired. That you'd love to spend some time with her but you need some rest tonight. Ask her if there is a possibility of her coming to your hotel tomorrow (later tonight, etc.). You can almost bet most will give you her #.
If your spanish is weak just ask your waitress to help you. Personally I didn't get numbers on "napkins". I have this pretty cool wallet from Mont Blanc. It has a little notepad of paper attached to it. It also has a little slot for a little pencil (the kind you use at the putt putt golf places). I'd simply BS with the girl a little and hand her the pencil and note pad and she'd write her #'s on it. Worked like a charm. Or, alternatively, you can write your hotel and room # on it and they can call you. I tried to be like a boy scout and was prepared. If you're interested, there is a Mont Blanc store in Recoleta. You don't have to spend $150 on the wallet. They sell the notepad refill pads for about $2. It's classy looking and better than going around collecting numbers on napkins. I bought a 5 pack box of refills for around $10 US.
Go back and read posts from Otto, Umgman, Yabba, Drgn, Jackson, L.A. Larry and others. Most of these guys are pretty on target about being realist with what the superstars will go for. Nothing for nothing but as I always say..take these posts with a grain of salt. Just because some stranger on the board posts that he paid 100 pesos for a "10"...take it from me...his "10" and your "10 " are two different things.
Do NOT go down expecting to pay much less than 200 pesos for a short time visit with a total hottie. Otherwise you'll spend way more than your budget. I really believe in being realistic when posting to these boards. B.A. is NO Rio or Sao Paulo. Those that love Brazil might hate B.A.
P.S. In my opinion, very few girls look as good in person as their pictures on the site. I've mentioned this time and time again but i'll mention it again. Case in point, I saw Wanda from Area-vip (Dion from Platynum). Although she was the same person on the site, when she arrived she had very little make up on. Her hair looked NOTHING like the website. Her body WAS very good but her face didn't look as good. The session was good though.
ibiza007:
I would distrust sex59.com.ar. That' sright: Too good to be true.
I went once to see one girl who looked incredibly good at the website and found a monkey with skirt telling me " my pictures in the site are somewhat 'produced'" HAHAHA. Hasta la vista , baby!
Better stick to Platynum, area-vip and the like. These are pretty accurate, from my experience.
Hope this helps,
Andres
Saint- Thanks for the very informative reply on my questions. It was interesting to hear your comments about the clubs vs escorts.
I agree 200p is a fantastic price anyway, Would the final exit price be more around 250-300p with the drinks? What is the policy anyway, 1 drink for you and two for the girl? 20p x 3drinks-P60 or more? for short time.
I was refering to the web sites for the 100-150p range as this is what I have discovered so far. Am I off the mark for Escorts-Argentina and Platynum being in the 150p range or is 200+ more realistic for the stars?
And it really depends on the site, as you noted , Escorts Argentina is quoted as $100 usd, but I saw several of the same ones on Rubio 59 , with the upper range of prices at 41 ( 150p )$usd. I appreciate the tip on the superstars at 200 +.
As for the napkin, I should have rephrased that a little. I like the sugestion of the small pad.
I have a compaq PDA that you can write on. I use this to store tons of info on new cities, I can save web pages, word files etc. in the thing and then I have a complete file with me. I have about 50 web pages stored already. I probably would not carry this around at night, a little big - bulky. But it is great for the hotel to refresh your memory and keep a few ideas in mind for the daytime.
I have pretty much the same thoughts on pictures of escort, usually less impresive in real life. Still very nice but not the dream in the photo.
Thanks for the information.
Fat Bastard
08-10-02, 10:48
ibiza007,
Could you post the web address for Rubio 59 please?
Thanks
Fatty
Here are my humble answers to some random questions I saw, in no particular order---
1) Greta--my God yes, call her and pray that she is available. Yes, she looks like those pix you saw on her website. You will like her three b's and a j kind of service. I think I paid 150 p, which is unreal. I did a review of her some time back as Zamantha. How quickly we fade to obscurity.
2)At least for all the girls (10 or so) I talked to on Platynum, roughly 80-180 p. I did pay 300 p for an Escorts Arg girl. I'd stick with Platynum.
3) You can exchange travellers checks for US dollars at the cambio for a very minimal fee.
4) The Platynum girls list their hours of operation. If it says full time, call em whenever.
5) Keep everything in perspective, boys. Sure, if you refuse to pay that extra 18 dollars you might feel justified, but someone else will get to molest your lust object while you screw a pooch for cheap. Fun comes first.
6)yes, tack on 60-70 p for exit fees on top of girls asking price
7) do no overlook Anastacia on Platynum.
JamesBond69
08-10-02, 12:35
[QUOTE]Originally posted by umgman
1) Greta--my God yes, call her and pray that she is available. Yes, she looks like those pix you saw on her website.
I can't find a Greta on Playnum? Does she have another name?
I want to thank you guys for all the great information about punting in Buenos Aires. I’ve done 10 days of Thai nightlife, and I long to go back. But based on what I’ve learned lurking here for the last week, Argentina has moved to the top of my list.
The Thai girls are beautiful, sweet and plentiful, but the BA girls on the Web sites are stunners. BA prices for short time are slightly higher – $55 US vs. $35 US in Bangkok – but the price difference is insignificant, and the quality of the BA women looks to be so much higher. A lot of the women on the BA Internet sites look like Playboy babes and super models.
Personally, I prefer long time. I’ve been surfing the Escorts Argentina site (http://www.escorts-argentina.com/), for example, and reading prices like “The whole day going out with you and sleeping with you – $300.” Many of these same girls are also pictured (usually with different names) on the Platypus and Area VIP sites. If that price is in dollars, it’s a bargain by U.S. standards, but if it’s in pesos, it’s incredible.
Anyone know if it’s dollars or pesos?
Thanks.
Carabu
Fat Bastard - My apologies, I mispelled the name it is Rubro59.com.ar
You do have to register. I tried the secret method in the earlier post but could not get it to work, so I registered and it was very easy and painless.
It is a good site with what appears to be offers that make your head spin.
Any of the experts have first had knowledge about Rubro59?
Umgman - Great news about Greta, I have visions of here in my head every time I stand over a 6 foot put. I just think to myself, If I drain this putt, she is the prize. Little kids all over the world dream of making that put to win the US Open or the Masters. Not me!I think Greta, Lorena ( Mel ).....
Thanks Ibiza007
Carabu,
Many of the girls on the web site will go below 55 dollars US. I had some very attractive women for 150 pesos. For many of them their asking price is higher than what they will settle for. Currently 150 pesos roughly converts to low 40's US.
Please remember I am talking more or less about the average girl (short term) you see on these websites. If you want top of the line it will cost you more but not that much more. If they won't budge from their higher price - move on. One thing BA is not short of is attractive if not stunning woman.
As far as the long term stuff that is all negociation between you and them. I had one girl from Black's who wanted 300 US dollars. For BA that is way too much but I have to admit she was about as wild in bed as they get. The absolute highest I would go for a long term as you describe it would be 150 US dollars. For that kind of money she had better be Playboy quality. Finally, if she won't come down there are plenty more to pick from.
One last thing. Learn some Spanish. It will help you immensely down there and in the US as well because whether we like it or not in the US Spanish is rapidly (in many areas) becoming a second language.
Umgman,
I very much remember your posts . The helped me quite a bit. Thanks.
Yet another trip report. But first, Greta´s site is www.greta-model.com. No .ar.
Here we go. I started last night at about 11. I had planned on taking last night off. I was just going to browse. I´m a little worn out. I went to check out Solid Gold. I´ve been there before, but I always found the place lacking. I was the only guy there. It was funny because the doorman held me at the door. I saw that the girls were all sitting on the couches. He said ¨chicas¨ to stir them all up and get them dancing. I don´t know what it is about this place, I feel like I´m at a bar in TJ. I gulped down my beer, refused the 2nd and left. As I was leaving there was one girl who came in that was about an 8. All the others are sub 6 for me. Anyways, 15 pesos entrance with 2 drinks.
I hoped next door to PlayWoman. It was about 11:45. I greeted Raoul the doorman and had a seat at the bar. All the girls weren´t there yet, but there were about 4 new ones. One of them had a incredibly slender and tall body. She could easily be a runway model. I sat there for about an hour waiting for a particular girl. I talked to her long enough to set up something for today outside of the club. I then left. It costs 20 pesos for 1 drink.
I meandered over to give Shampoo another try. It was about 12:30. I have to say in terms of classiness, this place beats Blacks hands down. They even have bathroom attendants. I´m not so much a fan of that though. It´s probably the most normal like hobby club I´ve been too. Beware though. Some of the girls here aren´t working. They´re just hanging out. One heard me speak english and decided to practice with me. She told me she wasn´t working and was just hanging out here with her friends. She saved me a lot of embarrassment, as her friend were the hottest women there. The number and quality of the girls were just about the same as it was when I was there the other night. Well except for one. More on that later. First, the shows with the dancers. Playwoman and Blacks also have shows, but the are positively amateurish compared to Shampoo. It´s a solidly professional show. One of the dancers... OH MY GOD!!!!! Let me say it again OH MY GOD!!!!!. She has to be the most beautiful woman I have ever seen in my life. Either personally, in movies or in magazines. She also dances very well. Somehow she resonants to the harmonic of my dick. If only she worked. I´d gladly pay $300 for an half an hour. She alone is worth the price of admission. Well anyways, I meet this 21 year old brunnette there last night. As I said, I was going to take the night off. She convinced me otherwise. She says she was there the other night as well, but I must have missed here. She used to work in Mar De Plata. She´s only been in BA for a month. I´d tell you here name, but after 5 ¨comos¨ I still didn´t get it. Well anyways I asked how much it would be. She said $40 or 150 pesos. No ridiculous prices here like Blacks. I didn´t even bother haggling. You have to buy two drinks for the ladies. But there are only 20 pesos unlike the other clubs where 2 drinks can easily add up to 100 pesos. I still don´t get the Blacks 50 pesos drinks. I we soon left for the hotel. I had to wait for the dancer to finish dancing. My girl understood. She saw me looking at her slack mouthed. The other classy thing about this club is that no one hassles you for tips like all the other clubs. I went to give the doorman some cash after he got us a taxi. He just said ¨No Senor¨, smiled and said good night. A class act. I did put money in the bathroom attendants tip dish though. 20 pesos to get in with 1 drink. 2 exit drinks at 20 pesos each. 60 pesos bar fee, cheap compared to the 100-115 at PlayWoman or Blacks.
I can´t say enough of about the performance of my lady. She was great. She had the smoothest tannest skin I have ever seen. She complained about her tan lines, but I couldn´t see any. Once she got started, she just motored on. No complaints about being tired and no asking me to finish. A true athelete. I thought she would only stay for an hour since here asking price was just so little, but she stayed until about 4 then went home. Since ALL the other girls ask for cab fare, I automatically offerred it to her even without her asking. She politely declined. Classy. I hate the fact that the other girls try to bum 2 pesos out of you after you just gave them $100.
Sorry about the long post. Let me know if you want me to cut down on the details. I have Camil from Platynum booked tonight as well as the PlayWoman girl 3 hours later. I´m thinking I´m a superman or something. Pray for me.
JamesBond69
08-10-02, 20:00
>Sorry about the long post. Let me know if you want me to cut down on the details. I have Camil from Platynum booked tonight as well as the PlayWoman girl 3 hours later. I´m thinking I´m a superman or something. Pray for me. [/i][/QUOTE]
Your posts are great. In a league with Uncle Otto, and that's saying a great deal. Keep it up. The more details about venues, particular girls and prices the better. Don't care too much about the details about what you did in the sack, but that's me, since I'm now suffering in NYC with the neurotic American women and don't really want to know how good it can get:-)
I just finished the first game in a double header. No runs scored.
I saw Camil from Platynum. She´s pretty enough and as you can tell from the website, she has a great body. All in all though, I wouldn´t have picked her in a club.
She was in a bad mood. She didn´t say a word all the way up to the room. Most girls fall into your arms when the elevator door closes. I offerred her a cigarette and a drink and we attempted to chat for a bit. The ad says she speaks english, she speaks as much english as I do swahili. She starts to undress and tells me to do the same. Turn off number one, most girls will hug you for a while and then undress you while you undress them. She starts in, her technique is not the best. After about 5 minutes she says ¨terminar¨ which I take to mean ¨finish now¨. Turn off number 2. We keep going and she gets a call. She takes the time to answer it. Turn off number 3. After another 15 minutes or so with a ¨when are you going to finish¨ look on her face, I tell her ¨no terminar¨. I´m out of the mood. I pay her and she leaves. Not even a goodbye hug. She ask for 200 pesos for session and 20 pesos for cab fare. Where is she going, La Plata?
I probably won´t do another call in again. I find that the vibe checking you can do in the club and the playful banter helps a lot to get me going. It was just too clinical. It´s also tough to set something up over the phone if you don´t speak spanish. One of the guys at the front desk helped me out.
I´ve let the team down. I´ll try to do better in the 2nd game.
JamesBond69
08-10-02, 21:11
[QUOTE]Originally posted by bapunter
[i]I just finished the first game in a double header. No runs scored.
I saw Camil from Platynum. She´s pretty enough and as you can tell from the website, she has a great body. All in all though, I wouldn´t have picked her in a club.
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The one from the club last - the girl with no name from MDP - makes more sense. I wouldn't get a girl from the internet unless she was highly recommended on WSG. It seems too much like a domino delivery except you can be sure what the topping will be.
As for Greta....checked out her site and she seems too hard core for me...I give her an 8 at best....what I am looking for is the girl next door that bangs like there is no tomorrow or a swimsuit model.
Good luck at your next time up to bat. Hit it out of the park for us poor chumps up North.
PS
Any possibility you can wrangle a session with the "OH MY GOD" dancer from last night? She can't be a virgin at a place like that. Give it the all American try
too many details (times, costs, opinions, etc - not sex details), are you kidding, that's why we're here reading!
and please do tell about camil (details - time, cost, her likes, performance) as she's made my short list for my trip in a couple of weeks.
BUT PLEASE, CAN SOMEONE HELP ANSWER THIS:
i do hope to schedule girls from area-vip or platynum. there's been a few inconsistancies recently in what's here, and someone referenced say top level vs. average, etc... can an expert tell me the cost range in AR$ for these two sites, and does the range just vary by girl and her opinion of hot, or does executive or vip level mean something in this regard?
last, can we discuss some specific girls?! if you know them, please tell about these details - cost, time, performance, and what's her face look like if the pix doesn't show?
area-vip:
micaela
agata - she's barbarella and janet on platynum
anabel (oh, what's her face look like?!)
abril (how's her face)
platynum:
denis!
dulce
estefany
emiliana
esmeralda (please, anyone seen this face?)
dana (again, no face)
dolores (no face)
thanks for the help!!
bapunter .....I love your posts............the detail is what gives it character. Keep up the excellent work.
I had Camil from Platynum on my list of girls to meet.....after your post I deleted her. It's adios Camil.
This argentina site is truly the coolest thing happening on the web.....that I'm aware of....................a big" thank you" to all of you regular posters, Well done.
Also, I really like Leo's idea about posting specfics on specfic girls.
In fact....it would be really cool to ad another topic to the Argentina site just for the purpose of chica evaluations. What do you hombres think?
JamesBond69
08-10-02, 22:14
>Also, I really like Leo's idea about posting specfics on specfic girls.
In fact....it would be really cool to ad another topic to the Argentina site just for the purpose of chica evaluations. What do you hombres think? [/i][/QUOTE]
I agree totally. The Argentine forum should be in part like the zagats of sex, so that the really great providers reap the rewards of their profession and the "terminar" types join the ranks of the underemployed.
Isn't that what the web is all about....getting the word out on what's hot, what's not? Improving the level of the hobby.
great idea. how do we add a new "thread" like "Argentina Girl Review" parallel to BA Hotels, Otto's visit, etc?
Fat Bastard
08-10-02, 23:09
>>>>>great idea. how do we add a new "thread" like "Argentina Girl Review" parallel to BA Hotels, Otto's visit, etc?>>>>
I think you need to get word to Jackson....he's the main man.
Bapunter....great posts...funny as hell. I'm praying for you brother.
Fatty
Originally posted by ferolga777
continuing the review
from jul/30:
Salome-- The place is packed with locals, some of which have a grope-for-free attitude. Took out a lovely lady for 100 pesos, gave her a genorous tip. Looks 7. Attitude 8. Not a super hot brasilera. She was a sweet argentina.
anyone have any follow up comment to this? anyone know the location (street names)?
JamesBond69
08-11-02, 00:02
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Fat Bastard
[i]>>>>>great idea. how do we add a new "thread" like "Argentina Girl Review" parallel to BA Hotels, Otto's visit, etc?>>>>
>>I think you need to get word to Jackson....he's the main man.
I second the idea and hope Jackson gives it some serious consideration.
I would like to see a section for clubs/brothels and for girls reviews in general.
And "maybe" girls should be broken down to internet and non-internet girls.
I know this seems like lots of sub-forums for Argentina but it will help in getting the right information on the right subject.
I know the BA hotel forum is really great on its own rather than mixed in with BA or Argentina General.
just my two pesos on the subject.
Glad you're having fun BAPunter. That's what it's all about down there. Don't lose hope on the call to order girls. I think YMMV (you're mileage may vary) always comes into play. I think Umgman also saw Camil and had good things to say about her. I saw more club girls but the ones I saw from Area-vip and Platynum were really GFE with me. Not a bad session my entire trip.
I think you're post and Umgman's post is a good example of how two guys can see the same girl and have two different experiences. I also saw the same girl as one of my friends. He had a good session too but she was in a hurry to leave with him. If you catch a good girl on a bad day the session quality can be affected. This is where I think speaking some spanish helps. Also, if you guys have a bad session with a girl and she asks for a tip (propina) or taxi fare..say NO. I'm all for being generous if the girls are good but can't understand the guys that tip girls after a lousy session.
As BAPunter jokingly pointed out...taxi fare is very cheap here. It didn't cost more than 5-7 pesos to go clear across town. I always gave $2 or $3 US for taxi fare but the girls were always good GFE experiences.
That's the other great thing if you're in town several days and have time. You can get to know girls in the clubs. See their faces, their bodies, what their attitude is like, see the smile on their faces. Things like that are priceless and you'll never be able to tell from the internet. But still....those internet girls come in handy in a town like B.A. where there is not significant daytime action.
I understand why Jackson doesn't update the photo section regularly. Truth be told I wouldn't post pictures to a public site most likely. I've met a ton of you guys from this board. Those that have been to B.A. and also have photos might want to get on my email list and maybe we all can exchange photos. I have a few rolls of film with photos. Email me: saintofba@hotmail.com. Those that haven't been to BA yet..please don't email asking for pictures...I get enough of those emails. Thanks for understanding.
bapunter,
What is the address of Shampoo??? Thanks!
Hey Boys--
A trusted Business associate of mine in Buenos Aires sent me an interesting email about his extraordinary good fortune using newspaper ads right now in BA to find chicas. (And this is from a guy who like me had "hit or miss" luck at best from newspaper ads).
He claims that he has seen on several occasions young "Lolitas" for 40-60 pesos for an hour that in some cases include anal. He pointed out that this was during the daytime--and they came to his Palermo apartment--promptly within an hour of him calling.
He is an American and I can vouch that he is not a Bullshitter. His theory is that some girls (for whatever reason) are not as sophisticated as other girls and they begin their trade very naively---some foolishly start of working at low cost brothels/outcall agencies that advertise in the newspaper. Perhaps--these girls can't work at nights because they still live with their parents. Perhaps they have a cousin/friend that works at the agency who encouraged them to join. Whatever the reason--there seems to be a surplus of chicas that have yet to understand the value of their ass--yet.
Now I have been out to Blacks with this guy and I know his taste. He swears that these recent "Lolitas" are comparable to some of the Blacks girls. ONLY YOUNGER and less professional minded. He is as shocked about it as me. The girls were aroung 21 years old he said.
In case you dont know---40 pesos is under $12 US Dollars. THESE ARE CAMBODIAN PRICES.
So--to anyone going down there for an extended period--you may want to gamble on the newspaper ads once in a while---WHAT THE HELL--RIGHT??? (If you only have 5 days in BA, dont bother its not worth it--stick to the bars for their certainty).
WARNING--if you do decide to roll the dice on a newspaper ad--
be smart about it. Circle all the ads that calim that they have young beautiful girls "Lolitas". Call them and be demonstrative that you refuse to see a girl over 22. And if you dont like the girl--if she isn't "muy bonita" that you are going to send her packing.
YOU MIGHT END UP PLEASANTLY SURPRISED.
But be warned--I still think that the newspaper ads still hit or miss.
Ferolga777
08-12-02, 22:31
Leo
I never wrote down the streets where Salome is. I asked the taxi drivers near the other boliches if they knew where Salome was cause I wanted to go there.
I was in Shampoo recently. I talked to a pretty girl and asked her what she charged for a salida. She said to me $250 pesos for an hour and a half. Remembering what I read here, I told her that was more than I could afford and offered her $200 pesos for two hours. She told me that she was one of the chicas that charged the least and didn't budge. She said that the club only gave them one hour and a half. I would have paid the $250 but I want two hours for that amount. I must smell like money. What are you doing, BAPunter, to get them a little more reasonable?
On the following day I went to 2254 French street, tel 4825-9168/9370. $200 pesos for some great sex. She was tall, thin and gorgeous and an expert deliverer of sensual pleasures. Sorry, I didn't get her name. As the other post says, you gotta call first.
This site rocks.
First, let me answer the questions I remember.
The address of Shampoo is 362 Pres. Quintara. It´s about a block further towards downtown than Blacks.
Saint, I did read Umgmans report about Camil. I think she was just in a bad mood when I saw her. She just looked really pissed off. Her fee was 200 pesos and she was exactly on time. Since she doesn´t show her face in her pictures, here´s a little description. She´s tan and has a lot of freckles. She has that classic Latina hottie thing going on. She wasn´t as open to suggestions for things to do as most of the other girls I´ve seen.
I was at Sodama last time I was here. I wasn´t very impressed. I almost went there last night, but decided against. I might go there tonight just to check things out.
I´d loved to see if I could set something up with the dancer in Shampoo, but I just don´t see an opportunity. She dances then goes to a back room. I might be able to intercept her when she comes out to go to the bathroom, but that doesn´t seem right. She doesn´t hang out in the main room.
Here´s my report on last night.
Contrary to what you might think, the weekends are dead in the clubs. While the rest of BA is party central on Friday and Saturday, the clubs are empty. I asked the girls about this and they said that both the patrons and the girls see their families on the weekends. So plan on being here during a weekday.
I had a specific goal last night. The last time I was here, I had a incredible session with a woman named Fabiona. She might not be to everyone´s liking, she´s 31. She looks great though. What I find so attractive is she´s not harden at all. She blushes and giggles sometimes when I ask her if she´s willing to do this or that. The last time I met up with her was in Affaire. So I went there at around 11:30. I was the only guy there. Inflation has hit. A few months ago, it only cost 10 pesos to get in. Last night it cost 30. You get 3 drinks with that. I don´t frequent Affaire because there aren´t very good pickins there. Since Fabiona wasn´t there I gulped down 2 drinks and left.
Next I went to PlayWoman, it was about 12:15 when I got there. It was much more lively then it was Saturday night. There were actually quite a few girls I have never seen before. But alas none to my liking.
I decided to walk over to Shampoo. There was a girl there Saturday night. Long blond hair, quite lovely. I don´t know if she was working though. She had her purse and coat with her. Most girls check that stuff away. I just wanted to investigate.
Anyways, on my way there I decided to duck into NewPort. I´ve never been in there before since the women don´t look so great looking in from the window. But, why not I thought. There´s no entrance fee. I walk in, have a quick look around and decide to leave. On my way out, I see a girl staring at me. I do a double take. It´s Fabiona. YES!!! We get reacquainted and quickly decide to head back to my hotel. I bought drinks while we talked, which ended up being 18 pesos. Fabiona, what can I say. I ¨love¨her. She takes her time warming you up. She also is the only girl that takes a shower before the session. I appreciate that considering what they´ve been doing all night. She loves to kiss. We did that for about 20 minutes. She also motors on, no breaks to rest etc. I gave her 200 pesos for the session. I didn´t negoitiate. She also didn´t ask for cab fare so I gave her 10 dollars for that and as a little tip. I always tip for good performance. She was with me for about 2 hours.
What amazes me is that I´ve seen 2 girls that I saw the last time I was here. Fabiona, like the other one, remembered me. She remebered my name and where I was from and what I liked to do. I had only seen her once before a few months back. Amazing.
Some miscellaneous comments.
Do try to get out of Recoleta. It´s easy to get stuck within the few blocks here since everything you need is here. I went down to Puerto Maderno Saturday night for dinner. It´s a very modern part of town. It´s where a lot of the international conglomerates are located. You can get a great meal for not much more than in Recoleta without all the tourists.
I guess Etoile provides free rides to and from the airport. I´ve always turn them down when they ask if I need a car since I thought you had to pay for it. But this morning I got a call from some guy asking to set up a time for my car to the airport when I leave. I thought it was just some hustler so I tried brushing him off. He said that Maria, the reservation lady, asked him to call and that it was free. It´ll save you about 40 pesos each way from and to the airport if you are staying at Etoile.
Don´t worry about how good or bad the breakfast is at any of these hotels. You won´t be up in time for them anyways if you are with a lady until the wee hours of the morning.
I have question. Does the French st place have showers? My flight is at night and I might want some day time action to pass the time. Since I will be without a room, I´d like to shower up before hopping on the plane.
Originally posted by ferolga777
Leo
I was in Shampoo recently. I talked to a pretty girl and asked her what she charged for a salida. She said to me $250 pesos for an hour and a half. Remembering what I read here, I told her that was more than I could afford and offered her $200 pesos for two hours. She told me that she was one of the chicas that charged the least and didn't budge. She said that the club only gave them one hour and a half. I would have paid the $250 but I want two hours for that amount. I must smell like money. What are you doing, BAPunter, to get them a little more reasonable?
On the following day I went to 2254 French street, tel 4825-9168/9370. $200 pesos for some great sex. She was tall, thin and gorgeous and an expert deliverer of sensual pleasures. Sorry, I didn't get her name. As the other post says, you gotta call first.
This site rocks.
hmmm, sound like very different stories on shampoo. bapunter wrote that his impression was prices well lower (8/10/02). hopefully we get a few more data points on shampoo in the next few days? (i leave for recife on my way to b.a. on friday).
more details(!) please on 2254 (another place with posts listing widely varried results):
what day of the week was it?
what time was it?
since i'm only in for 3 days, these details is very nice to see.
last, yes, it does rock!
We do need more data points on Shampoo. Since I´ve only seen one girl there, it may have been a fluke.
I always thought the girls set the time and the prices. The clubs make money off of the exit drinks. I´ve never heard of a club putting a time limit on a session.
Ferolga777
08-13-02, 00:58
Well I heard the time limit from a girl from Black, one from Playwoman and one from Shampoo. But the time limit of the other two was two hours. Shampoo chica's was one and a half hours. I want to know if I was lied to 'cause I smell like money. Or worse.
The French street place has showers. I took one before and after, the chicas like clean hombres. BAPunter, tell them what you want over the phone that way I guess they'll book one that appeals to you. The girl that took care of me was very pretty. Didn't get her name. I went in the afternoon. I called one hour ahead. I was taken to a nice and well appointed room.
if i read the map correctly, 2254 french st is right around the corner from artsuites - can anyone confirm this?
is the place set up so if you're not happy with the looks of the girl they've selected for you when you call ahead that you have an opportunity to select a different girl, or walk out without service?
thanks.
ferolga777, thanks for the shower info at French st. Maybe it´s the time of night that affects whether the timelimit kicks in or not. I´ve noticed that if you leave the club around midnight or so, they do kind of hurry to get back to the club. I always thought that was because they just wanted to get another client. When we leave at around 2 in the morning, they don´t seem to be in a rush at all since the club will be closed by 4. I´ve never had a girl say she had to be back at a certain time. Most of them offer all nighters.
Last night I started around 12:15 by going to Shampoo. The hot dancer wasn´t working which is my main reason for going there. Once again, I wished the waitresses worked. There were about the same, 6 or so, girls working when I first showed up. The girl I had a great session with before hopped out of a cab and came in right behind me. I guess they have to pay admission as well. She got two drink tickets instead of one though. She remembered me and we talked for a while. She said to call her over if I wanted a repeat. The girls tend to duck into the restroom with drinks in hand for about 10 minutes at a time. There must be a lounge in there. I stayed for about an hour. During that time the place filled up with girls. The most I´ve ever seen there. Mostly 5-7s with about two 8s. The place is fairly dark like most of the clubs. If you sit at a table, there is this shaft of light that comes down so you can get a good look when you talk to them. Make sure you get a good look. Most of them look great from about 4 feet away in the dark, but in the light .... I was going to take the night off and I was just browsing so I left to go to PlayWoman.
I got there about 1:30. About the same as usual. Let me say that the PlayWoman girls have the niciest attitude. I regularly get chatted up by a girl. She asks if I want her. I say no and she asks if there is anyone else she can get for me. Anyways this girl comes over and sits down with me. I´ve talked to her before but I´ve never had a session. I buy her a drink with just the intention to talk. She starts to warm me up in all the right places. Next thing I know, we´re headed back to my hotel. I´m weak. Lola has a really pretty face and a good body. She isn´t all tarted up like most of the others. She´s just dressed in jeans and a t shirt like she´s going shopping or something. She definitely looks like the girl next door. She was great. She likes to watch though. She positioned me next to the full length mirror in the room. We never made it to the bed. At first, she asked for an unheard of $100 at PlayWoman. I balked at this and talked her down to $60. Unlike other girls, she didn´t seem disappointed at all. She was very playful through the negoitiations. It didn´t affect her performance. If she had been anymore enthusiastic, she would have killed me. I gave her a $10 tip. She´s in my BA top 3.
I keep forgetting to say this. When I was leaving for a session from Blacks the other night. I overheard two Argentinos say ¨todos los americanos¨. It´s funny yet sad. There are a lot of us at Blacks. I hope we aren´t messing it up for the locals.
Great info BAPunter.
One way to get around the time restriction issue is to pay the all night drink fee instead of the short-time drink fee. I almost always did this. Before you do this, negotiate with the girl and tell her that you'll buy her out of the club for the entire night. I think most of the girls will give you more time this way. This way, if they want to go back they can but if they don't want to they are not obligated to going back.
Before doing this make sure you ask the girl for more time if you do this. While I was at Playwoman I always paid the 5 drink fee instead of the 2 drink fee so the girl would not have an excuse to say she had to go back. None of the girls I picked were in a hurry to leave. In fact, with the girls I didn't do an all nighter with...I had to tell them they could leave. This might solve your problem. Some girls you'll feel like holding all night in your arms. Others you will be ready to toss out the door after a few hours only in anticipation of the next girl. Good luck.
JamesBond69
08-13-02, 15:20
>I keep forgetting to say this. When I was leaving for a session from Blacks >the other night. I overheard two Argentinos say ¨todos los americanos¨. >It´s funny yet sad. There are a lot of us at Blacks. I hope we aren´t >messing it up for the locals. [/i][/QUOTE]
Exactly. By paying the "American" rates you are just making it harder for our brothers from Argentina to survive in difficult economic circumstances and be able to hobby.
Always try to keep the prices in accord with the local rates while being a gentleman and tipping generously for good service rendered.
Question????
Is there a very strict policy in the major clubs - Blacks, Playwoman & Shampu regarding the non pro employees and working after hours ie waitresses and dancers. Could one ask a waiter to have a particular dancer join you for a drink between performances? Has anyone had any luck with the "help"....
And also are there really unescorted non-pro's in the clubs? This is hard to believe?
Ferolga777
08-13-02, 22:55
Thanks for the info Saint. Now, if the chicas were so clear about it...
The French Street house. You can accept who opens the door or ask to see others. You might have to come back later. The minimum is one hour. It takes me one hour to get it up.
Fat Bastard
08-14-02, 23:08
Concerning the French street place and the question about choosing another girl....Merium (the madame) is very accommodating. When I went there, I just waited in a nice room while drinking a beer they gave me. The girls walked in one at a time and introduced themselves. Then Merium walks back in and asks your decision. She only requests that we call ahead for a reservation so that we don't run into other men there....very discrete.
First of all, much thanks to Jackson. I know it's a hard and thankless job and most don't realize how valuable this site is. I'm sure many have complained even though this is a free site so I have to say my hats off to you Jackson. I also want to point out that I am only a regular guy that posts to this board. Some have emailed me asking if I own or maintain this board. I do NOT. I've never met Jackson, only emailed him a handful of times, he has never asked me to post, I have no agenda other than to help all of you discover a beautiful city with beautiful girls.
All that feel like complaining keep in mind that most sites are pay sites to access valuable information like this. Many of us take a LOT of time to post so please don't complain.
I just returned from BA again last week. I am a member of other boards. I posted to them. To save me time I've cut and pasted what I posted by dates I was there. Enjoy!
Saint
Day 1:
I arrived this morning and I´m already exhausted. I only slept about 3 hours on the plane but that didn´t stop me. This guy I know on another message board told me about a great girl, Sandy (girl number 9 on escorts-argentina). I´m glad i listened to him. The day before I arrived I called her and actually had a 20 minute conversation with her..she was really funny. The comical part was that she gave me her home phone number to call and halfway through her cellphone battery went dead. I tried calling back several times to no avail. Then I called my amiga in Buenos Aires and had her call the girl back a few minutes later. Voila….she gets the girls home phone number for me. (Sandy did wonder who in the heck the girl was). LOL.
I was set to get in at 9:30 AM so I scheduled an 11:30 appointment with her. Call me crazy or just horny…She promised to show up. I had no reason to doubt her. I got in this morning. By the time I got out of the shower it was 11:15 AM and she was already at my hotel!! Talk about punctual.
I was really happy she was hot and better than pictures. Needless to say I was a happy camper when she walked into my door. She is originally from Peru. Says she is 24 years old. She had great natural breasts and a great body. I took tons of pictures....(albeit clothed). I´ll post when i return. She was super GFE with me. We talked and laughed a lot together. She stayed 2 hours for a negotiated rate of 200 pesos but i ended up giving her more. I didn´t have pesos and paid in dollars and she seemed to have trouble converting.....at first she wanted $80 or $90 US...when i exchanged the rate was 3.58...she still had trouble until i got out my calcultor for her to figure herself. Pay in pesos! It´s much easier. She told me she also works at Cutty Sark if you´re interested.
The weather today is cold. Earlier in the week it was very warm. I talk to a few chicas I met last trip every day and they were telling me one day they had to turn on their air-conditioning the week before I came. It´s in the upper 40´s today. I just changed $700 US at the casa de cambio near the Etoile hotel. (Corner of Quintana and Junin). The rate was 3.58. I was supposed to hook up with UWPhoto (one of my other buddies) but he is with Latasian (another dude that was down there that weekend) i think. He was supposed to also have a 11:30 session but not sure if she showed up or not. The fact that he wasn’t in him room makes me think no.
It´s about 3:15 PM and I think I´m gonna go call another internet girl. God i love this city. I also really like Art Suites.
After my session with Sandy, this girl i met at Playwoman last trip and talk with frequently called my room. I was very shocked since i never told her i was staying here for sure. I told her I was staying in an apartment-hotel in Recoleta so she must have called them all. She offered to come over for free but i passed. She is a little on the psycho side at times. (UWPhoto knows her too...she is potential stalker material so i won´t even take her offered freebie).
I’m gonna go eat then get another session then get ready for tonight. Probably will go out with UWPhoto and Latasian and hit the clubs.
Today´s update. True to my word yesterday after my post, I called Serena from Area-Vip´s site. That girl could very well have the best body of any girl I’ve seen. Playboy hard body type. She claims to work out every day and I believe her. Her face was a bit disappointing but i didn’t care too much. She asked for 200 pesos for 2 hours and i was happy to give it to her plus an unasked for generous tip. She was GFE with me. We talked for a long time and she felt really comfortable with me i think. She gave me her real name, address and phone numbers and also her email address if i wanted to stay in contact with her. She plans on quitting after September 7th so if you boys want to see her..gotta do it before then. She just bought a store so you’re out of luck. I´m actually glad because she is a sweet girl.
I finally hooked up with UWPhoto after that in the lobby of my hotel. He was with Leo (a guy from the WSG board that emailed me earlier and told me he was also in BA) and some of Leo’s friends. We talked for a while and UWPhoto and I met Latasian for dinner at 9 PM. We had some great steaks on Junin Street. Cost of appetizers, drinks, and steaks was 90 pesos with a decent tip. It was funny because during dinner Latasian wanted me to set up a few appointments. I stuck gold as I was able to set something up with his top 3 picks...should be an interesting next couple of days. I called them on the cell phone that he had provided by Etoile hotel.
I was surprised to hear that UWPhoto and Latasian didn’t hook up with anyone during the day. I had already had 2 and was going on number 3.
One thing that was kind of difficult for me was that earlier in the day I passed by one of the restaurants where this girl that hands out those flyers works. We started a friendship since my last trip but she confided a few weeks ago she had feelings for me. Well, long story short...(UWPhoto can tell you how i had to lie through my teeth on the phone with her during dinner). She wanted to do something Friday night and i told her I had to work with UW. She asked if she could ¨help¨. LOL. Not likely. Anyway, I felt bad when she started crying. I ended up calling back and setting up breakfast with her this morning. I just had a 2 hour breakfast with her before her work. She is really sweet and even pretty but not gorgeous.
Anyway back to last night. We hit Playwoman first and I’m sorry to report it sucked. True it was early but last time we went there were always decent girls at 11 PM. Lisa, Paola, Marisol, et.al were no where to be found. We had one drink and left.
Next we hit Solid Gold. It was dead so we didn’t even bother sitting down. Tried Sodoma and the same thing. Decided to hit the downtown clubs. Here is where it gets interesting. Hit Ness (where I’ve never had good luck). UW sees a girl he did before. Latasian sees a girl that he likes...she was super cool. Personally not my taste but she was pretty and way funny. Here are some classic lines from this chica:
After informing her that my friend is not a rich guy and inquiring about her prices. She responds, ¨remember a girlfriend is always cheaper than a wife¨. We were cracking up laughing. Then when I ask her if she likes girls and if she would do a 2 girl. She says that yes indeed she likes girls...but only from this club. Then she looks like she is thinking a little, pauses and says in spanish.¨but i like Dick better¨.
I love my room at Art Suite. It´s a crackerjack box compared to the Diplomatic suites at the Etoile hotel but my bed is very comfortable and it´s very private. I like it a lot. The bathroom is really small but who cares. I took many pictures of each room. I think Art Suites is like 4 blocks from PW but it’s so damn convenient to take taxi’s that I always jump in one. (I know UWPhoto may think i´m a lazy ass..which in general is true when it comes to walking).
Getting back to the story. Oh well. Anyway, Latasian is a good dude but he has to be one of the most indecisive guys I’ve met. (no offense Lat...but i think even you will admit it). He has this hottie that says she wants him. I help him negotiate for an all nighter. At first she wanted $100 US for an all nighter..i got it lowered to 300 pesos which she was happy about...but he can’t make up his mind. Rule 1! When you see a hot girl that you click with...go home with her. Don’t regret not going home with a hot girl. I hope he clicked with her...we made him stay there and at least have one more drink with her. I think he is used to Thailand and Asia where the girls might be all over the guys. In BA YOU have to select the girls or show interest.
UWPhoto and I went across the street to Cutty Sark or one of the other spots....it was dead..only one hottie that we both would have done but we wanted 2 girls. We had one drink and skated. Went to Newport’s to check out the action. There were some hotties and they were getting ready to play some live music. We decided to try Sodoma again. I didn´t really like this place. It is wayyyy dark. I couldn´t see jack and i have 20-20 perfect vision. At this point i´m dead tired. Only 3 hours of sleep and 2 GFE sessions. It’s about 1:30 AM at this point. UWPhoto is ready to bust a nut since he hasn’t scored yet. I am very indifferent and could actually go home alone and get some sleep. This chick comes up to me with a good body. I can´t see her face because it’s so dark. (I joked the whole trip that this place should be called the “Black Hole”. She spoke English too so I couldn’t ask UWPhoto if she was good or bad. He had a better viewing advantage point. All I could see was her teeth were jacked up which is a big turn off to me.
She was the first girl this trip that came up to me. She came up to me and told me she thought I was really handsome. She asked if she could sit down. I said sure. Her name was Amanda. UwPhoto at this point had what appeared to be a pretty girl too. Anyway, my girl asks if I want her. I said maybe. I come clean and tell her that I’m tired and that I’ve already had sex with 2 different girls earlier in the day. She laughs. She says that she likes challenges. She said $100 pesos for 1 1-2 hours and that if she couldn’t get me to cum hard I didn’t owe her anything. How could i lose???? While UW is negotiating with his girl. she bumps me on the shoulder and says, ¨su amigo es malo (you´re friend is bad). I ask why. She says because he is cheap and doesn’t want to pay her anything. I used my classic line of ¨mi amigo no es un rico ******¨. I let him negotiate on his own while i leave with my girl. I paid our tab of 130 pesos including exit fees for both of our girls.
Oh yeah…I will also mention this is the first place where the waiter informs me that the tip isn’t good enough. Our bill was something like 110 pesos. I usually tip very generously but we were only in there a little while…I only had a bottled water and the service sucked. I gave him 125 pesos and the guy says that the tip isn’t big enough. I gave him 5 pesos more and told him that if he didn’t accept it I’m not giving him anything. Jerk! It wasn’t the money..it was the principle with me.
On the way out the door I’m already having buyer’s remorse. I don’t care about the money....I just want to only do hot girls this trip. This girl had a good body but she wore too much make up, her teeth were even more jacked up than I thought and she smelled like smoke. The she tells me she needed to get a pack of cigarettes before we get to hotel. (Which of course she didn´t have any money for). I hate smoke but said ok. Then we get up to my room and she wants beer. I didn’t have any so we had to go all the way back down and go to the store so she could get some. At this point I tell the girl....¨look..it´s late, i´ve already had sex with 2 hot girls, smoke your last cigarette because you’re not smoking in my room, let’s go back to my room, drink your beer, and let’s get this over with. She actually seemed to like the demanding tone of my voice. We run into UWPhoto and his girl in the lobby. We’re all going up the elevator and I joke with UW´s girl. I say to her that I thought she said my friend was a bad man. LOL!! We had a lot of laughs....She responds, ¨no, su amigo es muy bueno. El amor de mi vida¨. (No, your friend is very good. He is the love of my life).
I’m damn glad I took Spanish classes since last trip. They have helped immensely not only negotiating but these chicks love a guy that can communicate with them. At the clubs I’ve helped UW and Latasian communicate but UW´s Spanish is better day by day I think.
I knew I´d like UWPhoto. We´d been talking on the phone and online for months. He´s a very affable guy. Just a really nice laid back guy. It was nice meeting Latasian last night too. I hope the appointments today help him see the true BA. I think he is disappointed by BA because he is comparing it to Asian. Guys..this is NO Asia.
Getting back to my girl. Sorry I’m jumping around but I’m typing super fast and want to get out of here. Amanda’s body is sexy. Her face isn’t my type. She’s cool though although she could very well be an alcoholic. She smelled like smoke so I told her to go take a shower which she was happy to do. I was dead tired at this point but I knew we’d have ¨fun¨. I love kissing but I knew i wouldn’t be kissing her with those wicked teeth of hers. She kept trying to kiss and I just turned. Anyway, I ask if I can take pictures and the girl gets in all these modeling poses...I took a ton. I never ask for taking nude pictures but did with her. I probably took 20 pictures. She had a nice ass. She had me turn on MTV and did a strip show to some Brittany Spears song. In the end she didn’t want to leave but I had to get up early to meet my amiga for breakfast.
I gave her the asked for 100 pesos plus a tip. (I´ve never paid that little for sex before...felt like I was stealing)....oh well. At those rates I´ll become a cleptomaniac. LOL.
Today I´m going to lunch with Mayri from www.argentinago.com and then looking at rooms from Design Suites. I might also look at an apartment to rent-buy. I love this city! I’m gonna have some area-vip or platynum or BOTH this afternoon...then I will hit the clubs again tonight with the fellas.
Exchange rate is still 3.58 today at the cambios. Weather is chilly. Last night in the 30´s. Ouch. Will try to post as time permits. Thank god i can type about 150 words per minute.
Chau amigos.
Saint
P.S. Jackson, you might want to remove Art Suites from your link page. I got the distinct feeling that they didn't like the new make up of their client base. In fact, I'm fairly sure they are going to be changing their policy soon. Probably a big mistake business wise..oh well.
Update. Sorry i´ve been neglecting to post but been very busy. Where did I leave off? Oh yeah. Yesterday I took Mayri from www.argentinago.com to lunch at a fancy restaurant in Puerto Madero. The food was good but the conversation was better. This is one smart girl. She is one of the nicest people I’ve had the pleasure to meet personally or professionally. She has good contacts here in Buenos Aires and her English is better than some of my American friends..LOL.
We talked about Buenos Aires, hotels, girls and just about everything else. I still maintain she is the best source of cheap hotel and airline tickets for side trips in Buenos Aires. After lunch she took me to check out Design Suites. Guys...Design Suites is very very nice. I like it as much or better than the Art Suites and in fact will stay there in December. (I also hear a rumor that Art Suites will soon not be chica friendly and only letting ¨registered guests¨ stay there but you didn’t hear it from me.
After our tour of Design Suites we walked back to Art Suites just to see how far it is. It was actually shorter than i thought. I hate walking anywhere but it was only about 9 blocks. But again, my theory is why walk when there is a taxi on every corner. After all, you have to conserve your energy for the chicas.
The weather here is colder than I would prefer. I don’t mind a little cool air but the last few nights have been COLD. After I got back to my room I set up an appointment for Latasian. I’m really proud of my Spanish. It definitely helps and the chicas really are glad I can speak Spanish. I think it makes a major difference. None of the girls I’ve seen have been in a hurry to leave. I’ll just BS with them and then eventually kick them out of my room.
I must have seen Arabian Nights one too many times because even though Yael from escorts-argentina is not really my type I called her up. When she arrived I was disappointed with her face. As many that come to Buenos Aires know....the girls here have great bodies but their faces can be a little harsh. That was the case with her. She looked older than the ¨25¨she claimed on the phone. She was interesting though. She is actually a medical student in her last year. I thought she was bullshitting at first but I can tell you with a high % of certainty that she wasn’t BSing. I was going to just give her 100 pesos and tell her I had a headache but I was sitting on the couch and she starts giving me a BJ right there. It was hard to tell a girl to leave after that. I took a few pictures for reference.
One thing I HAVE to point out if you are thinking about seeing her is that her teeth are REALLY jacked up. I mean...REALLY. The girl last night had bad teeth but Yael made Amanda look like the poster girl for Colgate or Dentyne. NO exaggeration! That is a huge turn off for me. She kept trying to kiss me and that mixed with her smoker’s breath was testing my will to stay hard. Unfortunately-fortunately (depending on how you look at it) I’m one horny bastard and my horniess was stronger. She actually provided a really good session but needless to say I’d never call her again just based on what I mentioned above. I negotiated 200 pesos for 2 hours but I let her go after a little over than an hour. Oh well..i forgot to mention she was an hour late too. But at least she called me and told me she was running late.
Since all my posts from last trip, I’ve gotten emails from guys all over the USA and the world. This trip 3 or 4 guys called my hotel room. I met one in my lobby and another last night I invited to dinner. This guy ¨Kick Stand¨ (from this board) was really cool. We met Latasian in his hotel Lobby at Etoile. We all went to Puerto Cristol for dinner. It was a good dinner that came out to 160 pesos with tip for all four of us. I would feel remorse if I mentioned that you should not order fried calamari here unless you are a ¨gambler¨(which by the way UWPhoto is bigtime..but that´s another story all in itself). My ¨fried¨ calamari gushed out when I put my fork into it. All of the other dishes were great.
We must have set a record for going to clubs last night. First of all I’ll say the clubs sucked last night. I haven’t read UWPhoto´s post yet but i can tell you with certainty that things have changed here since my last visit. Many hotties have moved to Chile and Brazil. Many are on vacation too. Almost every club sucked last night. Even the Internet girls I wanted to see the most are gone. For instance...this morning I called about 30 girls and 20 of them were either on vacation, out of the country, or their phone was now disconnected. I don’t want to settle but the girls I really wanted to see are gone. Don’t get me wrong though…still tons of girls to see. You can still find what you’re looking for.
Get this. Lisa is in Brazil, Paola is gone, Marisol is gone, another blonde Clara I saw is gone. Almost all of the hotties from Playwoman. There were a few of the same girls but I was disappointed since last time I had such good luck there.
First we hit the downtown clubs. Hooks was dead at 11:30 PM. Kick Stand and I decided to pass on the other clubs around Hooks. We went directly to Playwoman. It sucked...and UWPhoto and Latasian shortly joined us. We hung out for one drink then left. Walked into Solid Gold..it sucked...we left. Walked into Sadoma. It sucked and we walked in and out. Walked over to Newport. It sucked and we left. Maybe 4 girls in there.
We then decided to try Affaire. At first the guy wanted i think 60 pesos or so for the entrance fee that would cover 4 drinks. I said no and UWPHoto said yes because he thought the guy was asking for all 4 of us. When UW found out that I was right...we were gonna ditch. I asked the doorman how many girls were in there...I popped my head in and he was right..about 40 girls. He offered us 30 pesos for 2 drinks so we did it. At first we thought it would be good but most were older and on closer expection...not worth paying for.
We ditched Affaire and went to Black´s. Blacks had some seemingly hot girls. I told the others I´d see a girl from here even if i had to pay more. I could tell UWPhoto and Latasian were not going to pay the high prices and they left after their one drink. I hung out with Kick Stand and he selected a cutie from Brazil. This girl could dance! I start negotiating with her for him and she is asking for pie in the sky numbers. I was joking around with her because she was crazy. She asked for $200 US for all night at first. I told her that was too much. We start the dance of negotiating. Kick Stand is a younger guy in good shape. I tell her that he likes her but is not a rich man. She laughs. Then here is where it gets whacky. You should know alot of these girls´mathamatical skills are as bad as the diets of the morbidly obese at Weight Watchers. I ask her how much for 2 hours. She says 600 pesos. I ask her is she is borracha (drunk) and joke maybe I should take her champagne away from her. She got a good kick out of the jokes....i wasn´t being an ass...just joking around with her and trying to bring her down to within reason. Then after a while..i ask her again. Now she is asking for 1000 pesos for the whole night. I tell her now that I´m sure she is drunk because 1000 pesos is more than $200 US. She looks puzzled. I have to point out she isn´t the first girl to not be able to convert.
The funny part of our time at Black’s is when my girl asks if I want to do her sister. Her sister looks pretty good from far away but when she came up close her face was not for me. She had a scar on her face. Kick Stand and I were having a good time though. The thought of us doing sisters was pretty amusing. I tell her sister that sorry but I’m into blondes. Then Kick Stand’s girl immediately jumps up and gets her blonde friend when she hears that I like blondes. Her friend wasn’t up to my standards so when she came I told her I was into brunettes…LOL. Yeah I know…
Anyway, she gets down to 450 pesos for 2 hours. More realistic but still high. I´m realistic and realize Blacks girls will always charge more but i advised against it when Kick Stand asks for my opinion. I tried bringing her down more and i think she would have but her sister comes over and tells her in Portuguese not to accept less than 500 pesos for short time. I tell her that a few hundred pesos are better than no pesos. It is not too early at this point. Maybe 3 AM I tell her good luck after she says to take it or leave it.
We paid the bill to Veronica our waitress who formally worked at Playwoman. She remembered me from my last trip. We headed to Shampoo. It sucked too. We paid a 15 pesos fee that covered 1 drink. We left before our third sip.
We headed back to Hook’s and it was about 3:30 AM...it was dead. We left without drinking. Walked over to the club next door and it was dead. Then some guy from that one bar across the street was flagging us down. I asked him if he was joking. The name of the place was Piper´s Pub. I looked the guy in the face and asked him in Spanish to tell me honestly if there are ANY hot girls in there. He pauses 3 seconds..looks to the floor and says....no. LOL! He said to just pop our head in the door. Kick Stand and I looked at each other out of fright and left.
We decided we’d go back to Playwoman and if it was dead we’d call it a night. Kick Stand didn’t have any one that day so I told him he had to get one girl in at least. We arrived there and there were only a few girls. My one friend I know was there and was having a bad night or something. She was crying. I just made sure she was ok then sat down with my friend. We ordered a drink then he saw a cute brunette. She actually spoke great English and was refreshingly honest. She was 31 years old but looked much younger. Had a good body and a great attitude. She barely finished one drink when Kick Stand decided to leave with her. When she was getting her coat he told me he arranged 250 pesos for all night and she would stay as long as he wanted the next day.
At this point it is almost 4 AM. Not many girls here. I did see this girl Solange that I saw the last time I was there. She is a blonde with huge natural breasts. She is a little heavier in the hips than I prefer but I was horny and thought why not....I asked her to sit down and she was actually really cool. She asks me if I want her. I said maybe. She says 200 pesos. I ask her for how long. She said until you are tired. So I tell her that I’m tired now...LOL. So she says at least 2 hours.
I paid the bill to our awesome waitress Mariela. If you´re there..ask for her. This girl was there last time and remembered me. She speaks English fairly. She is really nice. I asked her how much the waitresses there make. She said not a lot. The most she said is 350-450 pesos a month. Damn...that ain´t right. I know some of you are against tipping over 10% but that is where I disagree. If you get good service do what you think is fair. It makes me feel good to tip some of these people that are struggling so much. I gave her a 50 peso tip on a 120 peso bill. She couldn’t believe it and kept thanking me. God I love this country.
I get back to my room with Solange (Sol) and she is very pleasant. Her face was disappointing in the lights of my hotel room. Turns out she has a kid that lives with her and her mom. Her mom knows about her job. She plans to work another year then quit. I really hope she sticks with her plan. On the bright side...when I asked what she did with all her money she made she told me she owns two houses. Smart girl. I started taking some pictures. All of the girls have let me so far. Those of you that also go to BA and have pictures..email me and maybe we can exchange some. Those of you that haven’t been to BA, please go down. I can’t email to everyone and their brother. (saintofba@hotmail.com)
Just be a nice guy and the girls will like you. Every one tells me I'm muy tranquilo which is true. I´m pretty easygoing. She provided a good GFE session. Her tits are nice and big at a D cup. Totally natural. She left at 7 AM and I slept till 11:30 AM. Talked to UWPhoto and we´ll hook up later. We have a date with some normal girls we know tonight. But gotta ditch them before midnight. Our last full night here. I gave Sol 200 pesos plus a little tip.
I´m gonna go eat and try some internet girls. I gotta say I´m disappointed a little with the girls from the clubs. Many are gone. Luckily I love this city so much it makes up for it. The economy must definitely be taking a toll. When I ask many say girls are moving to Chile for more money. Maybe we should be going there. I still love Buenos Aires.
More to come later.
Quick update. I just got done with a fabulous session with Anastasia from Platynum. She has a GREAT body. Her face is also very pretty. I tried getting pictures but she is adamant about no pictures (even with her face covered or hiding). She said to download her pictures from Platynum. LOL. On the phone at first she was a shred businesswoman. I have the feeling she stays as busy as she wants to be. She asked for $120 US per hour at first and wouldn’t budge. I started joking around with her. Asked her if she had been drinking. and that kind of thing. She started laughing. Then she started lowering her price a little. I got her down to 250 pesos for 1 1/2 hours. I didn’t want to risk not having a little daytime fun. I’m damn glad I accepted. I was very happy with her looks. She looked great when she walked in my door. Had on a tight pair of jeans and a cashmere sweater. She looked like a million dollars.
Guys..I´m telling you. Learn some Spanish before you come. You’ll have a better time with the girls. If i didn´t know any spanish i have the feeling she could have been a lot colder. She really warmed up in bed and was GFE. At first she didn’t want to deep kiss that much but quickly changed her tune. Her body is tight. She works out 3-4 times a week. I’m not really into posting details and have a feeling it´s especially YMMV with her.
We seemed to click. I asked her if she was in town in December for when i return. She said yes. I asked her if she´d be interested in going to Mar Del Plata with me. I asked how much and she said 1000 pesos a day which didn´t seem too too out of line. (Trust me...I'd get my 1000 pesos worth in 24 hours) I told her i was poor but she could tell that wasn´t the case. (I forgot to take off my watch before her visit so she probably assumed i was not a mendigo...ha, ha). I´m not sure I´d take a girl to MDP with me but i´d strongly consider her. She is top shelf material and would be fun. I’m sure she would come down a little on the 24 hour rate. No mistake though. She likes money and I have the sense she might have came from money and readily admitted money is very important to her. I asked her if the BMW in the photos was hers and said no. She said she did have a small car though.
I'm also considering taking Sandy with me and just picking up girls down there with me. Or I might just fly down for 24 hours with Anastasia and then send her home the next day so I can go scouting for talent on my own.
After my session I called Sandy for my buddy Kick Stand. She immediately recognized my voice and thought I was calling back for ME. I started joking around and told her that I couldn’t because I was afraid I’d fall in love with her...ha, ha. She already knows my humor. I´m always joking around with these girls and they really seem to like it. I set up an appointment for Kick Stand for tomorrow. Then i asked her if she knew any hot girls that were into other girls as I plan to get a 2 girl before i leave and the clubs are struggling. She said that she wanted to do a 2 girl with me. I asked her if she really liked girls or was just an actress because I want the real deal.
She said that she liked girls. She said she had a friend also on Escorts-Argentina and would do a 2 girl for me for a good price since we had fun together a few days ago. Yippee. I hated to make my friend wait but he is here until Wednesday so he can wait. I asked her to describe her friend when she said her friend is Jenna. She couldn´t remember her friend´s ¨fake name¨. I think I know who it is but will wait till tomorrow to post the details. If it is who i think it is...i´ll be one happy camper. She quoted 200 pesos for each girl for 2 hours. That’s a bargain to me!!!!
I met UWPhoto earlier today for lunch. I stopped in his room (actually where i booked my session with Anastasia). He was 0/9 calling girls so i hope he scored. I got Anastasia on my first try and she came over in 20 minutes. God, I love the internet girls. 5 star dining at fast food prices to me.
Gotta head back to hotel to shower, change then get ready for our date. I feel bad because I saw my normal chica friend and I think she is developing feelings for me. I feel bad lying to her. UWPhoto and I are telling our girls we have to ¨work¨ at Midnight so we can go clubbing. We invited Latasian and Kick Stand to join us for dinner with our girls.
I´m gonna try to do a 2 girl tonight but it´s slim pickings in the clubs and tonight is Sunday. Typically a bad day for the clubs. If last night is any indicator of the club scene, I might as well bring a list of phone numbers for the internet girls. But one thing I love in the clubs is the experience. We have been having a lot of laughs hanging out together. Kick Stand is a really cool guy that I´ve enjoyed hanging out with. UWPhoto and I click and Latasian is a cool guy too. I plan to blow it out today and tomorrow. I leave tomorrow night. A damn short trip. I love this city. I´ll be sad when i leave.
It doesn´t seem as cold tonight. I exchanged $400 US more dollars today at 3.52 at the casa de cambio near Etoile. Dependable place. I don´t want to go to black market and rates are good enough for me. I´m not sure how i´m going through this much money but things add up. We hit just about every club last night even though we didn’t drink in all of them.
More later....
Today´s update. Last night I met the boys (UWPhoto, Latasian, Kick Stand) in a bar in Recoleta. UWPhoto was supposed to meet his amiga and I was meeting mine. His never showed up so I didn’t want to go out to dinner with my girl and 3 other dudes. I took her to a very very nice place in Puerto Madero. This girl is very very sweet. She is pretty but not "escort hot". I feel bad as she told me again over dinner that I was special to her. I kept trying to tell her that I am not looking for serious now. She doesn’t know why I come to Buenos Aires and I don’t want her to know. She also wonders why I know so many Americans. Every trip one of my friends is here they say hi to her at the restaurant where she works. Needless to say she thinks I know everyone and their brother...LOL.
We stayed at the restaurant till close to midnight. Then I had to meet the fellas. We decided Hooks at midnight (even though i don´t like that place). Here is where the story gets interesting. I wait, wait, wait and they don’t show up. I conclude they aren’t gonna show. Then these two guys from the United States ask me if this is a strip club or what??? They just got in that day and had no clue of the riches that BA has to offer. They are only here 3 days on a layover to Cordoba. When i tell them what these places are and how they operate their eyes are as wide as my bed at the Art Suites. (Big). One is with his girlfriend so he obviously isn´t gonna play. They all were really nice and cool. None spoke spanish. I helped one with a very pretty girl. I negotiated $50 for two hours since he didn´t have pesos. He was staying right next door at that hotel so it was convenient.
Then i ask his girl who the girl with the prettiest face is in this club. She tells me. This is the first time I don´t want to share a name or possibly photos. I really really really clicked with this girl. She was pretty but more importantly really sweet. She is kind of new to the business still lives with her mom. She was 24 years old and blonde. She was very special. I did an overnighter with her. She didn´t leave till 7:30 this morning when I told her I had to at least get 3 or 4 hours of sleep. We stayed up all night making love (yes....I did say it...you didn´t read wrong..LOL). We also talked a lot. We joked around a lot.
The funny part of the evening was when she saw make up on the pillow from Anastasia, who i saw earlier in the day. Oopsssss. She started calling me "tramposo" (cheater). We had a good laugh. She loved my spanish-english translator so I gave it to her. When I told her it was hers..at first she thought i was saying it was instead of the payment. When she realized it was just a gift she was sooo excited. It probably was about $50 US but it was worth it to see the look on her face. She wanted 300 pesos for all night but I gave her more. When she left in the morning she told me to call her this afternoon before I left so we could at least do coffee or drinks. I’m not sure if it´s a good idea. She gave me her home phone number and her email address. Damn I had fun with her. It’s rare that an escort can touch my heart like this.
Guys, be very careful with your hearts in BA. In Buenos Aires, there is as good a chance of falling in love as there is a chance that a girl here needs braces. (by the way this girl had perfect teeth...maybe that´s why I liked her so much...LOL).
Oh well...at Hooks I ask the girl I’m with if my friends came by. She informs me that yes...indeed they were there but they were there at 11 PM NOT 12 PM. I ask her how long they stayed and she says no longer than 15-20 minutes. I don’t know what the deal is but I didn’t care at this point. At least I wasn’t alone. The 2 Americans kept me company and invited me over to their table. Today I find out from Kick Stand that they thought it was midnight. Idiots.... none of them had a watch on and none of them speak spanish at all (well....UWPhoto does a little but now I question his ability to count 1 -12 ). Not sure what they did but I´m sure Kick Stand will post too.
I called Sandy this morning and I’m still set up for her to come over and do the 2 girl. Get this. I find out her friend is Gema from Escorts-Argentina so this should be interesting. Did I tell you how much I love Buenos Aires????
Anyway, I’m sitting in an internet cafe and Kick Stand is here waiting on me. We’re supposed to meet UWPhoto for lunch but surprise surprise...he isn´t here. Coincidentally the time were supposed to meet is 12:00 so maybe he won’t show up again. LOL!
I exchanged $200 US more dollars today even though I´m leaving at 6 PM tonight. I figure I’ll spend it on something. I already have enough money for the 2 girl. The exchange rate was 3.58 by the casa de cambio near Etoile. The weather is getting warmer too.
I´ll probably post my final post tomorrow from USA.
Chau.
Quick update. Just got done eating with UWPhoto and Kick Stand. We ate at the Parilla close to the internet cafe. I just booked a session from a girl from Platynum for Kick Stand. 2 hours for 200 pesos. I´m really gonna miss this place. We just ran into an American while I was saying goodbye to my amiga that works at the restaurant. He has been here 6 times. Sounds like he loves it here too. It´s been funny seeing all the digital camera pics from all the guys. All of us have digital cameras this trip. I keep mine in my hotel room but these guys are carrying theirs around with them. I think we have more than 100 pictures between the 4 of us. I’m really glad I hooked up with Kick Stand. A great guy that has been fun to spend a few days with. That’s the great thing about these sites. It’s exponentially more fun to hang out at the clubs and dinner than alone. Sure I’d have fun no matter what but I can’t imagine the idea of not having out with my amigos. You guys are all a great bunch of guys. It would really surprise the general public how great of a bunch we are. I’ve found that almost all are professionals with good jobs, good incomes, and good lives.
I have my two girl in less than an hour. I’m excited but very tired. I slept from 7:30 AM till about 10:30 AM so needless to say I’m dragging a little.
More later...
Hola amigos.
I should probably wait till tonight to post this because when I got back to the office this morning there were about 20 emergencies that happened on Friday while I was gone (figures).
I got into the office before noon today. That's the great thing about BA. The flights are at night so you can usually make it into your office by noon. I didn't get much sleep on the flight though so I'm dying now.
My last day in Buenos Aires was probably the best sexual experience of my life. I'm not sure why I never got a 2-girl session before. I even dated an escort here in the USA once that asked me if I wanted one but I figured it was sort of a test and said no. (What an idiot I was).
Sandy, the girl I saw the first and her friend Gema, from Escorts-Argentina showed up on time. OMG. They both looked good. I did think Gema looked better on the website but she is still a pretty girl. They walked in and both french kissed me right from the get go. I offer them some bottled water and we talk a bit. We talked for a little while when they unzipped my pants and started giving me a BJ right on the couch. I normally don't post vivid details but I'm going to this time. One reason is both girls didn't mind me sharing details or pictures. In fact, Sandy told me to tell my friends about her. She isn't as busy as Gema and has to work at Cutty Sark's to supplement her income. Something tells me that will change in the near future.
Anyway, I snap a few photos with my normal camera. I then take some with a digital camera. Most of the girls usually ask me why I have two cameras but Gema was nobody's fool. She explained to Sandy that one was for still pictures and one was for "internet pictures". LOL! Gotta love a modern, PC literate escort. I suggest we go into the bedroom where I snap a few more pictures. They both tell me to put the damn camera down and undress me. They start french kissing eachother. They start french kissing me. We all start french kissing eachother (3 way french kiss). There are tongues everywhere!!
Where was I? Tongues were flying. Sandra starts giving me a BBBJ while Gema is making out with me. Then Gema would take Sandy's place and Sandy would be making out with me. Then they would both be giving a BBBJ at the same time. I was in heaven. Just the sight was surreal. Then they started going down on eachother while I was sucking their breasts. Then Sandy goes back down for oral on me while Gema positions herself over my mouth. Real life porno type experience...I never exaggerate when it comes to posts guys so rest assured this is all 100% true.
Gema puts on a condom with her mouth and I didn't even know it. Then mounts herself on top while I'm making out with Sandy. Then Sandy starts sucking one of Gema's breast while I suck the other. Gema and I do several positions when I tell Sandy, "Te quiero coger ahora" (I want to f*ck you now). They both start laughing because they didn't think i knew how to say that but I recently learned it from a chica friend in BA. I do all the positions with Sandy and eventually climax. I negotiated 400 pesos for 2 hours total but I gave them a propina (tip). I let them go after 1 1/2 hours because I wanted to meet my Hook's girl. She told me to call her before I left so we could say goodbye and have a drink together.
After the girls left I took a quick shower. Kick Stand called while I was in the shower. (there's a phone in the bathroom at Art Suites). He is bummed because his girl didn't show up yet. I call her but no answer. I bet she didn't show. I set up the same 2 girl combo for Kick Stand for the next day so as I'm typing this now he should be doing the same evil things I was with those beauties. I set the appointment for 3 PM BA time. I negotiated 400 pesos for 2 hours same as me.
After my shower I called my Hook's girl. She wasn't a total smoking hottie but I think we just clicked. While I was waiting for her, the Playwoman girl I'm friends with since my last trip calls and asks to come over. I tell her I'm leaving in less then 2 hours. She asks for my forgiveness because she was kind of pissed at me in the club. She called a few times but I explained I'm a friend and no more. I will never have sex with her again.
My Hook's girl comes over and we talk, make out, talk, make out and then go have a coffee together. She is very sweet and I'll miss her. I come back to my hotel a little late and my driver is waiting for me. I check out of the hotel and the women are very nice. The daughter of the owners checks me out of the hotel and is very nice to me. She is a cutie. Earlier I had heard that the owners were a bit unhappy that so many of their guests were hobbyist but they treated me very nice. I'm sure they knew how many girls I was seeing because they girls have to buzz to get in the door.
I payed with cash. Much thanks to Mayri at www.argentinago.com (mayra@argentinago.com). I HIGHLY recommend using her for reservations. She is the best travel agent bare none that I've ever used any where in the World. She secured a cash rate of $58 US + 21% tax. I prepayed $200 US and my remaining bill was something like $47 which included phone calls. I didn't know they charged for local calls but they must. I used my phone a ton but I don't think it's expensive. I gave the girl $60 and told her to give the rest to the maid.
(Funny side story. The first morning when I checked in there was only one towel. I immediately called down and told the lady that answered the phone I would need at least 3 more towels. The lady speaks very good English. She says, "do you have 4 people staying in the room?" I tell her "no" but I take a LOT of showers...ha, ha. She immediately had the maid come up with more towels. I tried to give the maid $1 US and she said it wasn't necessary but I saw her eyeing the money like it was her new best friend. I told her to keep bringing me more towels every morning when she cleans the room. She did. That's why I left her a good tip.
When you call Mayri ask her to have the driver with the Mercedes pick you up. (Sergio Alvaro Movil #03). He gave me his card and car # so I'll post it tonight. This guy was very nice, spoke English and his car was totaly luxury. S500 series Mercedes Benz. 45 pesos to the airport but I gave him 65 pesos which he was very happy about.
I had a great time. Many thanks to UWPhoto, Latasian, Kick Stand and Mayri for making this trip such a success. I'll definitely be back in Buenos Aires for 15-16 nights in December if any of you want to hang out. I probably will go back down for the long Thanksgiving weekend too. Here is my itinerary for December trip:
In BA: December 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26
Fly to Mar Del Plata 26th. In MDP 26, 27, 28 check out 29th
In BA: 29th and check out 30th for Brazil.
I'm gonna be in Brazil 30th, 31, 1, 2
Come back to Buenos Aires 2nd, 3rd, 4th.
I'm sure I'll hook up with some of you.
FYI: I just got an email from Kick Stand. I guess he didn't click with Sandy. To make matters worse..she showed up alone without Gema. That really sucks. Poor guy.
I just had a chance to look at some of my pictures from my digital camera. The pictures of the 2 girl turned out really good because I noticed I had my digital camera on the regular resolution setting before they came. I changed it to the highest setting before they came. Some of the pictures didn't turn out that great. Oh well. Some of the two girl pictures (Sandy and Gema) turned out really good.
One thing I want to stress over and over is to learn some Spanish if you can. It will make your trip much better. I had a ton of fun joking around with the girls in the club and in my room. I've only been really studying hard for 3 months but am close to conversational. Maybe in a few months I'll be totally conversational. I just need to learn more vocabulary. I already learned present, past and future tenses. I hope by December I'll be totally conversational. Someday I hope to be fluent.
I really want to move to Buenos Aires. If I was anywhere near my retirement I would do it in a heart beat...and not just for the chicas. A world class city that has everything. Contrary to news reports it's a safe city if you stay within the city. There is crime outside the city but Recoleta is another world in itself.
I can't get BA out of my head. When I arrived in my office and was reading my email I already had an email from the girl I clicked with from Hook's.
If you speak Spanish you'll be in heaven in BA. Mine still is not that good and it has helped me meet normal chicas. I felt really bad though with the girl I've been talking to from Amigos.com. Trust me...she is totally smoking and she sent me a sad email asking why I didn't meet her or make any attempt to call her while I was in Buenos Aires. I feel horrible. Oh well....the thoughts of all the time I spent with the other chicas help me. It was time well spent.
I forget to mention. While I was at the airport I had about 450 pesos left so I decided to do a little shopping. I make it upstairs when I see this smoking hot chic in the perfume store. There was some promotion going on for Armani perfume and cologne. I didn't need any cologne but you can bet all your pesos that I was gonna talk to this girl. Oh man..she was smoking. She was wearing this red dress. She was model material. I went up to her and smelled the cologne and bought a big bottle...LOL. I also bought another bottle of cologne from her. We started talking and then she casually asks me if I needed some Armani perfume for my "novia". I tell her I don't have a novia. Her English was very good. I ask her if she has a novio and she says no. I joke that she doesn't have one novio but probably many boyfriends. She laughs. She gave me her email address so I hope I can hook up with her in December. Guys if you speak Spanish..don't hesitate to talk to normal girls too if that is your thing. My only hesitation is that there is so much action available in BA that is a sure thing...why mess around with the normal girls?
Some other things you should note. Many of the internet girls (Area-vip, Platynum, et. al) were not in BA. Some of the numbers were disconnected, some were on vacation, some moved. In fact, some of the ones that I wanted to see the most were not there. Another thing you should note that YMMV (your milage may vary) still comes into play with the girls of BA just like anywhere else in the world. Some guys might click with some girls better than others. The case with Kick Stand shows that. Over all though...I think anyone would have a blast in BA.
Good luck amigos.
P.S. Even though some of the girls don't care about me posting and telling my amigos about them....PLEASE do not tell them you read about them on the internet. It might freak them out. Some know the drill but others do not. Use your heads!
The clubs weren't as good this trip but still usually a hottie or two in each club. Still more girls in BA than any one guy could see. I paid MUCH less this trip. Last time I was a bit overwhelmed by the prices and didn't care. This time I tried to stick to a budget and did quite well. When I went before the exchange rate was 3.05 - 3.15 and I still paid upwards of 250-300 pesos for short time sessions and up to 500 pesos for all nighters till the next afternoon. This trip the average session was 200 pesos (at an exchange rate of almost 3.60 pesos to the $1 US). Even my 2 girl session was only 400 pesos for both girls. The same thing in the US would cost at least $600 US per hour.
Good luck!
Saint
Posts that Kick Stand emailed me to post for you guys:
Post #1
Now, I don´t normally discuss stuff like this because it seems like bragging. But, Saint, UWPhoto, and Latasian seemed to think it was funny so I thought I´d share it with you guys.
Paraguaian Girl From Black´s: Very cute, petite brunette with no english. 5´3". Very nice body. Perfect since I have virtually, no spanish. Another español enhanced American that I met there made the initial contact for me. She was very playful She demanded that I talk to her in Spanish before we would proceed. All I had to do was say anything to her in Spanish.
Being an old Mac from Way Back, I translated one of my original pick-up lines that seemed to work well for a young African American male searching for entertainment: "¿Tú gusta chocolate?(Do you like chocolate?)".
After the laughter died, we went back to my hotel, Loi Suites Arenales (5 minute taxi from Recoleta). Things were going very well until it happened. She finally realized how MUCH chocolate I was asking her to like. There is a reason why I chose Kick Stand as a screen name. Figure it out.
Well...after much deliberation (15 minutes....really!), I convinced her that I would be careful with her. It was really good session. She was very into it and intimate. We went until she pulled a Roberto Duran. "No mas...no mas." I understood. Not the first time it´s happened.
As for the 1hr session: Very good despite "limitations". Great service. Great attitude. Repeat? Yeah, right. When she me in Black´s the following night, it was like Tokyo seeing Godzilla. HA!!!
I´ll send my other postings through Saint.
Kick Stand
Post # 2
Hey, Saint!
Well, as luck would have it, I remember that someone
on WSG posted that the La Capital newspaper had a
classified section.
I pulled a "UWPhoto crap shoot" and found an agency an
ordered some room service.
JACKPOT!!! Luciana. Blond, maybe 5'5. 90-60-90. Very
nice body. Tanned & toned. A few tattoos. Belly
piercing. Typical insane animal-like session that I
love. Likes kissing. Very passionate, fake or
otherwise. The bed moved from the wall like a foot. 2
hours for $150. This included the tip and cab fare.
Other indie listing in the newspapers list $20 - $30.
Not sure if pesos or USD. Either way, if she is the
standard, a STEAL!
Figured on not trying my luck again, so I asked her if
she would come back for dinner. She said yes. As long
as I didn't screw up in the translation, she should be
back at 7pm.
BAD thing about Mar del Plata. DEFINITELY a summer
place. Most businesses here are closed in the off
season. Was warned about certain areas last night by a
taxi driver. Also told me about a couple of places to
see women. Won{t be able to check them out because I
fly out tomorrow morning. Chocolate was one. Heh
heh....my kinda place. I can't remember the other.
Most of the happenings appear to be on Avenida
Constitucion. When I cruised it last night, mainly
dead due to the off-season. I may come back here
instead of BA to check out the beach scene. Cheap
flight here. $180 pesos roundtrip in a turbo prop.
I'm staying at the Torres de Manatianles. Booked
through Mayra. For 2 nights, $312(more or less) pesos.
VERY nice place. Huge apartment 2-bedroom, yes TWO,
room. One queen and 2 singles. Spa facilities, 2
resturaunts, game room, pub, etc. I'd stay here again.
In the Argentine summer. One problem is that few of
the staff speak english. They DO have people that
speak it but not as many as I saw in BA. The price you
pay, I guess. Room service was a challenge but I
weathered the storm.
Pass on to the fellas please.
kyck_stand
09-11-02, 21:12
Hey, Saint.
Thanks for posting for me. You guys were great to hang out with. Well, when we actually got together at the same time. HA!!! Here's one that I'm not sure was posted yet.
This happend on last Monday. Saint was leaving that day, so it was just UWPhoto, Latasian, and myself. We all wanted some early action so we met at Cutty Sark (opens at 4pm, I believe). Ran into another US hobbyist, Jeff, there and had a good time talking with one of the ladies there. Pickings were slim because it was early. Started picking up around 6pm.
Realizing that UWPhoto and Jeff were not going to make the move on the fun and attractive lady we were talking to, I gave Latasian the first window of opportunity before I made my move: 10 secs. He took it.
I scoped around and saw a new arrival that looked interesting. Long curly brown hair, average height, nice body and attractive. A little older, 30. Not what you'd call strikingly beautiful, but there was something about her. Gisella was her name.
Since my Spanish is not very good, I had UWPhoto break the ice with me in tow. We began communicating. She was very insistent, in a nice way, on me getting my point across in Spanish. She even taught me some spanish. And, mind you, she speaks no english. But we communicated very well.
Well, after talking for a little while, we agreed on $200 pesos for 2 hours and went back to my hotel (around 7pm). No prior to this, I had UWPhoto explain my large, uh, gift because I had a slight problem with a previous visitor 2 days before. With my Spanish being the crap that it is, it took a while for me to convince her that it was possible. Gisella, on the other hand, was curious to see. I knew then that I liked this girl.
The only problem we had was keeping enough drinking water in the room. Oh, my. "Olympic" is all I can call it. Very intense, very passionate. We clicked really well. 2 hours turned into almost 5. We ordered food to the room, watched a little TV, ...all-around a fantanstic time.
The only reason it ended then was because I was supposed to meet the fellas at 11:30pm at Newport. She understood and we shared a cab back to Recoleta. I got out first and paid the cab to take her home. We kissed goodnight and I felt like I was sending my girlfriend home.
That was until I passed the Brazilian cutie on the corner.....At first, I wasn't sure she was a working girl so I passed her to go to a payphone and call the guys. Afterwards, I walked into Newport and there she was.
Now, there was a period of indecisiveness. Because Latasian would be there in 5 minutes. UWPhoto would show up......whenever (HA!). My Spanish may not be good enough. What to do? What to do?
Well, that moment of indecisiveness lasted about 5 secs. She was HOT! I figured "Screw it!", so I called her over with 4:55 on the countdown. Right when we agreed to leave, guess who shows up at the door to Newport. BOTH UWPhoto and Latasian. Sorry, fellas, but this had to be done.
I thoroughly explain the situation:
Me: "You see her, right?"
UWPhoto: "Damn! See you in 2 hours. We'll be at Catto's"
Me: "Cool. Later."
We get back to my hotel and I can tell that this isn't going to be that good a session. The girl, can't remember her name, was very attractive. Tall, slender, shoulder length black hair, and tanned skin. Very attractive. And she knew it. The first thing she does when she get's into my room is jump in front of a mirror. Oh, well. I'll fix that.
Not a very memorable session. She wasn't into it and when she realized that she couldn't make me shoot the goal quickly, she wanted to leave. I was not in the mood to argue because I had just had killer sex an hour before. An hour and a half total. Oh, well. NEXT!!
(see next post)
kyck_stand
09-11-02, 21:17
Continued:
The fellas are headed to the place next to Hook,
Cattos(?). I meet them there. That´s when they spring
their brilliant plan on me. 3 guys, 6 chicas, one
massive short stay room = Big Party. Yeah, right.
Of course, I´m thinking. Conserve energy....rest up
for the Sandy Challenge (Sandy from Platynum plus Gema). I was...I really was....until she showed up.
Lucila. I think the translation of that name means
¨Killer Ass¨. For the Posterial Connisseur like
myself, this was the Holy Grail. I think I wept. 5´3¨
of tight little Dominican Dynamite. Light skin with
grey eyes and long hair. Why am I still crying?
Another, less spectacular Dominican female approached
UWPhoto. Lucila was on me like Star Jones on a bucket
of KFC extra crispy. It´s good to be the King.
The plan started to sound more feasible as I look
around Catto. I took a chance and asked her about her
sexual preference. UWPhoto explained in Spanish and
she asked me what did I like.....Blonde, Brunette, or
Redhead. Yes, bless her..uh..heart she was going to
find one for me!!!!
Not wanting to miss this opportunity, I hit up UWPhoto
for some Vit E. Never tried it before but I could be
tired from earlier events and not even know. All I got
to say is Viagra who? Read on, True Believers.
After turning down 2 selection, I settled on another
Dominican Crotch Stretcher named Roxanne. Very
pretty...nice body....hips that could shake fast
enough to vibrate the planets out of alignment. Cost:
200 pesos for 2 hours each. Yes, Saint, you taught me well.
Oh, yeah. The Circle was completed. It had begun.
We get to the short stay using a convoy of taxis. We
realize that the plan wasn´t going to work because I
didn´t realize the other guys had there ladies for all
night, while I had mine for 2 hours.
HEY! I know what you´re saying. It wouldn´t have
worked. REMEMBER....the Sandy Challenge tomorrow?
Anyway, I wind up keeping the short stay since I had
the least amount of time. I bum some pesos from
Latasian because I missed the ATM BECAUSE I wasn´t
supposed to be doing ANYTHING for the rest of the
night.
The crew leaves with their ladies. I´m left with the
Dominican Duo....Holy Grail and Vibro Hips. Life can
be good.
Some guys would be disappointed with the session. Me?
I´m writing a book based on it. Why do you ask? No
lesbo action. It was basically both of them trying
their best to make me.....´relax´. HA!!!! Little did
they realize that I´m made from a new, revolutionary
Chocolate Polymer that even stays crunchy in milk.
Round 1 - The Dark One vs. The Holy Grail - Oh, my. If
the government could harness that Dominican power....
--condom change--
Round 1 (That´s RIGHT!!! Round 1 STILL) - The Dark One
vs. Vibro Hips - What do they feed the Dominican
women? Good thing the Russians didn´t know about it.
--condom change--
Round 1 - etc....
So on it went...one would get tired and tag off. On
and on for 2 hours straight. And our hero....
Who´s the baddest Mofo, low-down around this town?
Kiss my converse.
Kick Stand
Kyck Stand,
Good to read your still alive. I thought all the girls would drain your energy. I hope you had fun in Brazil. Are you still there? I talked to UWPhoto and Latasian today via MSN Instant Messenger chatroom. We had a lot of laughs.
They asked about you. Guys... it was hilarious down there. We all had a great time. If you get a chance to hook up with any guys on the board..do so. I'm sorry to those that called my room at Art Suites. I think 2 or 3 other guys called my room to hook up but I didn't have time.
Leo, it was nice meeting you and your friends.
I keep trying to go to other countries but BA keeps drawing me back. I'll probably book tomorrow for my Thanksgiving weekend trip. Damn I'm weak.
Saint
kyck_stand
09-11-02, 21:58
Yo, Saint.
I wish I could say that I was still there, but I can't. I got back from Sao Paulo yesterday afternoon. I've gotta make a post in the Sao Paulo about Bahamas.
How are the fellas? Could you e-mail their MSN screen names?You guys definitely helped make the trip worth it.
I'm thinking about going back to BA in November and maybe Mar del Plata/Sao Paulo in late December/New Year's. Depends on how much travelling I have to do for work. Thank Goodness for frequent flyer miles.
Until next time
Kick Stand
Saint!
Great posts as usual!
After reading your posts its almost impossible to read the gibberish written by most people.
ONE BIT OF WARNING TO YOU!!!!
DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES IMPORT TALENT WITH YOU FROM BA TO MAR DEL PLATA!!!! You will be very sorry.
This is truly like the proverb says: "bringing sand to the beach"
Unless the world goes haywire, Mar Del Plata in December should be hoping with lovely creatures.
And Remember--the girls of Mar Del Plata, based on my experience where less professional minded and down right cheaper than the gals in BA.
If you want to take a girl away for a night of two--take her to COLONIA in Uruguay. Extremely Romantic and a short, fun ferry trip from BA.
(Thanks again for the great posts!)
Hola LA Larry. Glad you approve. ;)
Damn I'm weak. I just found a GREAT fare through a ticket consolidator for Thanksgiving weekend. I almost pulled the trigger last night and bought tickets to Cancun for Cuba or to Costa Rica because the sale price for Buenos Aires was still over $700 from my city. An amigo just told me about this website that books trips to Buenos Aires for cheap. Check it out:
http://www.carbone-travel.com/fares.htm
Man...they are good. I got my ticket (I don't live on East coast and fares from my city are usually expensive). My total with ALL taxes and fees was $530 That is the cheapest ticket I've ever gotten to BA. So looks like I'll be back to BA yet again on Thanksgiving Day (November 28th). I'll be there only for 3 nights. I'll leave at 11 PM on December 1st.
I already had Mayri (mayra@argentinago.com) book my room at Design Suites. $60 US + 21% tax. I'm checking out at 6 PM my final day and paying 1/2 the rate. It's a good option because I can still see 2 girls my final day there. Guys, always ask to do this so you can see chicas up to the last minute. My last two trips I've seen girls up to 30 minutes before my driver picked me up to take me to my hotel.
Also, I was discouraged because I've been trying for weeks to get tickets for Christmas/New Year's Eve to Buenos Aires. The fares were sky high. Last night when I checked the dates I wanted were $1600. Yikes!!!! I even checked with the ticket consolidator and they said $1624 because my dates were almost completely sold out. She suggested flying to Miami and taking Aerolines Airlines. Round trip to/from Miami was $739. Think about it if you live in Miami. I was just about ready to book it and use frequent flyer miles for my city to Miami when I decided to check American Airlines one last time.
Sure enough..website was still spitting back fares of at least $1500 + for my travel dates. I decided to just call American on the phone even though the webfares on website are always cheaper. I'm damn glad I did! The agent got me round trip tickets for $1087 with all taxes/fees. It was going to be $1394 to come back Saturday, January 4th but it was $300 less to come back a night sooner so I gotta give up one night in Paradise. FYI..I tried all the discount websites too...(Priceline, Orbitz, Hotwire, et. al). All were spitting out high fares.
Hope to meet up with some of you. Good luck.
Saint
Anyone dated girls from www.rubro59.com (you have to register, but it's painless)? They include prices (most between US$22-27/hr. I've seen some of the Rubro59 girls on escorts-argentina, sensualbaires, and at least one (Cristal (on rubro59, $27US)/Aixa (on Platynum, Escorts-Argentina ($100US or PESOS?))
So, i'm confused about pricing. There are a ton of attractive looking girls there.
Feedback on chicas and prices anyone before I start my planning for my trip to BA and MDP?
Stick with the sites that myself and other provided in previous links (platynum, area-vip, escorts-argentina). I know several guys that used the site you listed along with local newspaper. Almost all of them had dogs show up. Or it was a bait and switch, or the girls picture was really old. Sure you might get lucky once in a blue moon but why risk it with so many choices? JMHO. I'm not saying I'm right..just my opinion.
Follow posts of credible posters on this board. You're not gonna pay much less than 200 pesos for a total hottie. I don't care what you look like. Many dudes on this board are good looking, nice guys that are twenty-something year olds and they are still paying high rates.
Lotsafun..no offense but how can you be confused on prices? I just got back last week. The prices I paid are the norm. I don't care what guys post.....you're not going to pay $22 US for a hottie for an hour.
Good luck.
Saint, Great report, but we expect nothing less now <g>. Any chance to see some pics?
Fat Bastard
09-13-02, 17:17
Hot Damn....my favorite site is back up and running. I´m in BsAs taking an internet break. I would like to echo Saint´s comments....This is a great site and Jackson´s doing a great job. My hat´s off to any guy doing all of this for all of us and not asking anything in return.
As others have said before 22-27USD/hour is unheard of. Expect to fork around 200USD/half-day which means overnight and on till say mid-day.
The place where you get no bait and switch is
http://www.escorts-argentina.com It is adv. and popup free and the webmistress, Adriana is helpful and clarifying any info that is on the site.
troubadours
09-14-02, 10:07
I compiled those links (please scroll down for a few questions as well) :
- The basic/usual links (everybody knows them but it might save time to new users) :
www.platynum.com.ar (english/spanish, many girls)
http://www.area-vip.com.ar/ (english/spanish)
www.escortsargentina.com (english/spanish, many girls, mirror site of platynum)
http://www.sensualbaires.com/girls/index.cgi (use 'caracteristicas' bottom left to browse english speaking girls, english/spanish, check out "iara" but sit down before you do ! 'Paty' is not so bad as well)
http://elpisodevicky.com.ar/?link=inicio (spanish only, 4 girls only, you can rent a room with a jacuzzi, cheap)
http://www.buscasexo.com.ar/Escorts/ (many, many links to argentinian escort sites)
www.argenvip.com (spanish only, site a bit slow, many girls, a few of them on platynum too. 'Marey" looks quite good)
http://www.guia-sex.com.ar/ (a few girls, none seem really wild)
http://www.gemidos.com.ar/index2.htm
Among all the pics I have seen, and according to my own taste, my preferences are :
1- IARA from sensualbaires (it seems she does not offer a "servicio completo" ... does this means she only provides a sensual massage ?)
2- BARBARELLA from platynum (wow ...) (another name : janet)
3 to 8 :
Maria Eugenia from platynum
Carey from Platynum
Karen from platynum
Bali from platynum, what a body !
Analia from platynum looks sweet (she only speaks spanish...)
Has anybody been dating those girls (especially the 2 first ones ?).
Has anyone staid at "castellar hotel" ? is it "chicas friendly" ?
good browsing ! I'll be in Bs As for the first time in 2/3 weeks
(will stay 10 days).
I just got back from my first trip to BA, and I sure miss it. It was more than just the great senoritas at give-away prices, but being in a beautiful and great city.
To those who may be holding back from going by the grim news reports about political instability and economic depression, I would say that is not a reason to avoid BA. The residents do not take out their anger on visitors, and are unfailingly polite and helpful. I felt safe enough to walk around with my video camera during the day, and at night cannot believe there will be problems if you stay in good areas frequented by lots of people.
In six days, I was with six women, and was happy with all the encounters. Excluding tips for some of them, I spent a grand total of 170 USD on them! Was happy with what I found at 563 Tucuman, La Pampa 687, and the Affaire on Pueyrredon, where you are basically paying 20 USD. Liked the looks of all of them, they were all friendly and sweet, and got at least some BBBJ from most of them (Got a lot from Roxanna at La Pampa, and Gaudelupe at Affaire). All these places have a slightly raffish atmosphere that I like, and all are perfectly safe.
My remise driver took me to a penthouse apartment in Belgrano, where he said there were four girls with prices of 40, 60, 80, and 100 USD. I had indicated 60, so got a cute, voluptuous little blonde named Priscilla (4414-1122). She apparently advertises using that name on the areavip.com website. She was bouncy and great in bed, though did not give BBBJ. Did not see the other girls.
I picked restuarants and cafes at random in Barrio Norte (stayed in ArtSuites, which I liked) and Recoleta. Never had any tourist slop, every place took great pride in its cooking. Big meals with good wine for 10-12 USD!
I just loved the place, and I think my next move might be to talk to a real estate agent. Any of you have any advice about buying an apartment there? Some sort of time-share in Barrio Norte or Recoleta (or possibly Olivos/San Ysidro) would be of interest to me.
Originally posted by troubadours
Among all the pics I have seen, and according to my own taste, my preferences are :
1- IARA from sensualbaires (it seems she does not offer a "servicio completo" ... does this means she only provides a sensual massage ?)
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I had this question answered previously. It means the girl won't perform anal sex. As I recall from reading the girls' ads. it is unusal for girls on this site (sensualbaires) to not offer that service.
Peace brother, and enjoy your stay - tell us all about it! The more info the better prepared we'll be to go.
Originally posted by roberto
I just got back from my first trip to BA, and I sure miss it. It was more than just the great senoritas at give-away prices, but being in a beautiful and great city..
I'm glad you had a good time. I had a similar experience on my first visit to BA. Of course I expected the worse. I had known Brazil much better and allowed myself to be influenced by the Brazilians rather unkind caricature of Argentines.
I was delighful shocked by how sensuous and beautiful Argentine women are. While much more reserved than Brazilians they are every bit as sexy.
For what it's worth, believe it or not, I never HAD to pay for a good time in BA. If you take your time and hang around some of the cafe along and behind Avenida Florida, you will eventually run into a REAL date. Of course I am assuming that you speak at least some Spanish. That would really help. But many speak some halting English. Almost all have invited me to their homes.
While I was never asked for money, I aways left some behind. And if my date refused and I knew where she lived, I always sent some kind of gift. Argentine women love clothes. They have a keen sense of fashion. It delights them that you would give them something like that. And you'll find them most appreciative!
It's hard leaving, isn't it? :)
Troubadours,
I didn't have time to check out all those girls you posted but I did see your #2 choice in the Lobby of the Etoile hotel this last trip. I was in one of my buddies rooms. I actually called Barbarella and set up the appointment for him. I negotiated 200 pesos for 2 hours. She told him to call her and confirm the day of. When he called to confirm she talked him into doing a two girl with her friend.
So, UWPhoto and I are sitting in his room and the Etoile front desk calls and says that there is a problem. There are 2 girls (Barbarella and her friend). Well, Etoile only let's one girl up at a time. :( My friend asks us what he should do. UWPhoto and I tell him to just take them to a short stay hotel and have fun with both of them. (So if you're thinking of staying at Etoile you may want to reconsider if you plan on doing 2 girl shows).
We walk down with him and Barbarella and her friend are sitting on the couch. We say hi to them and then we take off. IMHO, Barbarella looks a bit aged in person. Those pictures are probably a few years old. I'm not sure how old she is telling people she is but add on a few years. However, I do know a few dudes that saw her and none were disappointed. I saw a few HOT pictures that my friend took with his digital camera of his 3 some. The dude looked like he had fun. In fact, he was thinking of repeating the 3 some a day later so how bad could it have been. I think he paid like 400-500 pesos for both girls for 2 hours.
Analia: Buyer beware. Some guys I've talked to have had "issues". But at these prices it may be worth it to try. When I was there in May I tried calling her a few times but never hooked up with her.
Carey: Frankly "her" #3 and #4 pictures scare me on Platynum. Take a good look at the face in those pictures. But to each his own.
After seeing that picture I'm not looking at the rest. Good luck.
P.S. Don't assume these girls speak English just because they post in their profile that "English" is spoken. 99% of the time it means they can say, "I go you hotel $100". (I'm not kidding).
first, i love this web site!! big thanks to this jackson dude!
next, i loved meeting up with you guys when i was in b.a. on my way to las leñas. i want to make sure i hook up with other wsg posters on my next trip (dec?).
hey, barbarella (aka janet) was my first girl on this trip! she showed up on time, and had her friend with her! this is their regular play i guess!!
she wanted 200 pesos for 2 hrs. i said, how about we go to dinner, i pay, but it's not on the clock - then our 2 hrs. she was totally gfe, a sweetheart. dinner was like us$15 with cocktails and cafe!! she stayed the night anyway - nice!
those pix make her look great. her body is that good, but she has the typical brasilian acne/scar thing. and her hair is fake, it's weaved long.
but she is good. glad i had her before you others on this trip ;-)
other notes...
went to playwoman on friday night, about midnight. plenty of girls, but nothing i really liked. my friend pulled one out, and he over payed, but he doesn't speak spanish and i was busy working my thing. so my other friend and i go to shampoo. maybe a 2a arrival. we had to hang for about 1 hr, but we both pulled good ones out - say 7s. 100 pesos for 2 hrs - no problem, we have a 5a taxi to aeroparque for our las leñas flight.
went to 2254 french when passing through b.a. for the day after skiing. only 3 of the 6 girls were there, i'd rate them a 4, a 5, and a 6 - ouch. but the madam (forgot her name) is so nice and friendly, and speaks english.
i want to learn more about the penthouse place in belgrano!
JamesBond69
09-14-02, 21:40
I must say this Argentina board is terrific. BA attracts the high end of the hobby, both in the seller and buyer of the service.
IMHO If sex was baseball BA would be like playing in the World Series. Costa Rica, Thailand, Manila are little league. Only Brazil and Colombia (off limits now) are in the same league.
I've been down to BA and look forward to meeting up with my fellow BA hobbyists when I return sometime before the New Year. It's great to monger in BA in a group.
As for cheap tickets....go to....http://www.carbone-travel.com/fares.htm
1-800-ARGENTINA
For example
New York - BA for $399 plus tax (about $80)
Jamesbond69,
I totally agree with you. I think the cream of the crop is in BA and is visiting BA. (or at least some of it). I was telling UWPhoto about your "baseball BA" comment. He laughed too but disagreed with you on one thing. He would add Thailand to the "big leagues". He would also take off Columbia.
Trust me... this guy knows his stuff. He's been to something like 8 countries in as many months. I joke with him that he goes to more countries than Federal Express. He went to Columbia a few months ago and seemed disappointed. I saw some pictures and while the girls were cute....I was expecting better. No way I'd risk going there.
I'd also add Cuba to the list of big league play. I'm in the process of receiving a visa and traveling there legitimately. I have read some reports and seen many, many pictures and I'm very impressed. It's technically illegal there and is more 'cat and mouse' but I'm looking forward to checking it out. If I didn't love BA so much I'd be there instead of Buenos Aires. I will hit Cuba next year.
I totally agree with you about the more fun in group thing in B.A. Maybe not too big of a group but the last few times I went to BA we had a group of 3 or 4 guys and it was perfect. They say crime is increasing even though I couldn't feel it but safety in numbers couldn't hurt. I'll be in BA for much of December so I hope we can meet up Jamesbond69.
Good luck.
kyck_stand
09-15-02, 01:16
Just something I noticed when booking my flight for Thanksgiving from NJ:
By the time you add the taxes for the prices listed at http://www.carbone-travel.com/fares.htm , you get about the same prices if you book through Expedia.com.
Ex: Carbone $449 + $80 tax is close to $523.46 (tax included) at Expedia.com. Just to say it's an option. I know for a fact that the less time you have before the trip, the price does increase on Expedia.com. Not sure if that's the case for Carbone.
Just another option for you.
Kick Stand
JamesBond69
09-15-02, 02:49
>I'd also add Cuba to the list of big league play.
I was in Cuba a year ago and posted to the Havana board about my experiences. The people, the place, the
chicas etc are great and a must visit now - as soon as Castro goes Havana will change and probably end up like
a poor version of Miami, with Starbucks and hookers on every corner.
But as far as the hobby is concerned Castro's Cuba is a hassle, as it comes down to finding a private place
to stay horizontally with a chica, and they are hard to find in Cuba right now, as the police really control
the situation. It's frustrating, as you will find out.
I prefer Buenos Aires.
Troubador,
I stayed at the Castelar in June and if I had it to do over, I'd have picked Art Suites or Design Suites. Reason? I spent MOST of my time doing threesomes and they only allow one chica at a time. So, I spent a lot of money on short stay hotels. Art Suites or Design Suites would have provided greater flexibility and lowered my daily room cost--Castelar PLUS short stays for two chicas. Also, they're much newer and nicer. And, lets not forget the $10 charge every time I brought a chica to the Castelar.
Another problem I had was with girls and ID's. I had SEVERAL occassions were the girls I called from Clarin (quite cute when I met them in the lobby) or girls I met at Playwoman, Solid Gold, etc. didn't have an ID that the hotel would accept, even though I asked in advance. So, off to a short stay hotel, AGAIN. One evening the night desk guy (aka ass.wipe) was quite rude, to the point where the next day I told the manager that he almost permanently lost an employee that night. (Guess he got tired of watching guys like us dropping mucho dinero on hot chicas every night, while he's praying just to keep his job.) Honestly guys, I would have THOROUGHLY enjoyed the sound of hearing his joints snap..., but my limited Spanish would put me at a distinct disadvantage when dealing with the BsAs authorities. Well, after that discussion, girls were being sent to my room without even a phone call from the front desk. Imagine that...
Anyway, there are other lodging options offering greater flexibility and fewer hassles for a better price. Use them.
i want to learn more about the penthouse place in belgrano!
You can get Oscar Carrizo (4960-3770) to take you there by remis; I did not jot down the address. Thinking back on it, Priscilla is the sort of woman who would go for 300 USD easily here in the US. She seemed happy with the 60, and put out hard for me. He said the $100 girl is a real stunner, and I'm inclined to believe it.
Any of you interested in getting involved in a time-share in BA?
Or do you know of one I could get into? My thinking was to come back for a month to decide whether to get a place of my own.
One minor sour note on my visit. In the Cafe Orleans, I picked up a slim, young, black-haired miss who seemed really sweet until we got to my hotel, where she started acting bitchy and odd. Finally, after she had stripped down but left her top on, she demanded payment first, and, sensing a ripoff, that was it for me. But getting rid of her was a real pain and somewhat embarrassing, and it put me off bringing them back for the rest of the trip. The ladies are great in general, but there may be a few rotten apples out to rip off a gringo.
As far as getting ladies for free, which one of you mentioned, I am well into middle age. As good-looking as you can be for middle age, but still middle aged.
Roberto,
I wasn't going to announce this until it was completely ready, but I'm signing a 2 year lease on a three bedroom apartment in Recoletta beginning October 1st. I'm expecting to use it myself for 3-4 months a year, and rent it out to a limited number of carefully selected individuals when I'm not there, which sounds exactly like what you are looking for. The building has 24 hour security, and the apartment has a seperate maid's quarters with a full time, live in maid to clean and change the linens every day. It will also have a computer w/cable internet access and a cell phone. One of the bedrooms will be setup as a guest bedroom in the event of any overlap in schedules. I'm going to BA next week to finalize everything, buy furniture and move in, so I'll let you know when it's ready and we can talk about the particulars.
Jackson
Jackson. That is great news. You know that many of us would be interested (providing the place is nice and in a nice area which I'm assuming it is). If you get a chance, take lots of pictures. I was thinking about doing the same thing but there is probably not a need for a bunch of us doing the same thing. By the end of December I will have spent almost 5 weeks in Buenos Aires. The hotels and apart-hotels can add up after a while.
Roberto. There are definitely girls that you can meet without spending any money but as I've pointed out several other times....trust me...You will spend money. Nothing in life is free. You'll shell out money on gifts, and other misc. items. To me it's not the money it's the time. Who has time for a girlfriend in Buenos Aires when there are so many hotties?? It would be a different story if I lived there. And even then I'd be seeing the hotties in the club. Age has nothing to do with it amigo. Age is a state of mind.
Good luck.
Saint
Originally posted by saint
Age is a state of mind.
Good luck.
Saint [/i]
Completely agree with you my friend .......... but I guess being in good shape and younger than 35 probably helps in BA, especially in negotiating with chicas .......... :-)))
Guys, anybody thinking to go to BA in late October/early November , I'll get there on the 26th of Oct, staying at Design Suites (thanks to MAyra - argentinago.com) and would like to hook up will fellow hobbist ....... Let me know ...
Cya, Ro
Jackson,
Your apartment sounds great! Congratulations. I have similar ideas, but you are a few steps ahead of me. I plan to spend about 3plus months per year in BsAs and figured out that I should be able to rent an apartment year round for less than the cost of a hotel for three months....
I will be in BsAs 21-28 October to look for an apartment to lease/purchase. Do you have a reliable, English-speaking realtor and/or lawyer you could recommend?
thanks....and again, cogratulations on scoring an apartment in the nicest city in the world outside of the U.S.
ezy
Roberto,
Was the place on La Pampa called "Nuevo Estilo Boliche"? I was there several times last year if it was the same place and I had a great time there. Did it have a pool table to the left as you walked in and rooms upstairs that you got to by going out the front door and turning right? Did you see a strip show to the right as you walked in? I had a 21 year old girl named Silvana that I thought was so good I went back the next night for her. I tried to get her to go to my hotel for the hour but it was too expensive to take the girl out and it didn't really pay since they had perfectly nice rooms right there. They also had a nice lesbian stip tease with two nice looking girls going down on each other. Did there seem to be a lot of young talent there the night you went? DownBA
I debated on whether to post this but I'm going to in the interests of knowledge is power. During one of my sessions with the chicas from the clubs my last trip I wanted to practice my Spanish so I ask her all this stuff about the club. I ask her what the downsides are. Oh man. She gave me all this information on how the clubs can be an evil place for a girl.
She told me how prostitution is technically illegal in Buenos Aires. (I didn't know that). All the clubs have to pay bribes to the police to let them operate. Not only that but she said if the police feel like they're not getting enough money, they demand free sex with the girls. If the girls refuse, the owners of some of the clubs tell them they can't work there. I didn't know if she was telling me the truth or not but I could see the girl didn't have any reason to lie.
Tonight I ask one of my friends that works in the clubs. She confirmed that everything the girl said was true. She said that when she worked at Black's last year she had to have sex free with a police officer. Not only that but once when she refused, the police hit her in the face and took her money.
On the other hand she did mention that many of the girls like the police and some of the girls even have police as boyfriends in case they get into trouble or if they get ripped off by clients or have "problems" with clients.
The only reason I mention this is because the next time you feel like these girls are making alot... think about all the crap they have to go through too. Also, I don't think it's a problem with Americans and more so with the native men of Argentina but if you ever think about ripping off a girl know that you might have to deal with her "boyfriend" who may be a cop. Not good.
In the grand scheme of things I don't think this is a problem with anyone but any of you that knows me knows that I'll offer my 2 cents. Have fun and be careful.
Saint
Saint,
Re: prostitution being illegal in BA: I've also had similar conversations with Natalia who's on Platynum.com and escortsbaires.com and other sites, and she's told me that it's not illegal for a woman to have sex for money out of her apartment but it is illegal for there to be a brothel apartment where there are multiple girls and the apartment's being used specifically for selling sex which is something you see quite a lot of in BA. Natalia told me that a lot of the ads in Clarin and La Nacion in the classified section will lead you to places that have multiple chicas. As for places like Playwoman, Blacks, Sadoma, etc. being illegal I have no doubt that Saint's right, in fact one girl that I had brought to the US twice after meeting her in Playwoman used to tell me about this scene that it's "mucha mafia." Enough said about that. I still say these places are like a kid being in a candy shop for me.....I want to sample all the candy!!! What a life! DownBA
troubadours
09-16-02, 10:45
Thanks to Saint, Leo and Drgn for the answers.
Saint,
You might be right (if I get the subtility of your answer about Carey...but english is not my primary language).
Those kind of mistakes (if any) can be painful !
all the best
Jackson,
I will be very definitely interested in your new apartment for sometime next year, so keep me posted. Might be a month or so in 2003. As far as I can tell, there are no bad addresses in Recoleta. Unless I found a girlfriend there, I doubt I would even use it bring women home. To take sips out of the BA fire hydrant at a more leisurely pace will be nice.
DownBA
The card I have says Confiteria "Nuevo Estilo". It is at 687 La Pampa, almost at the end on the river side. I came at about 6 p.m., and there were 4-5 girls, two of whom lit my fire. Roxanna gives really terrific "francesa" on the suggestion of a tip; her looks and figure are adequate. She told me that after 9 about 25 girls are there, with the strip show at 1:30 a.m. But I never did much at night because I preferred to be getting stewed in one of the restaurants.
Guys:
The issue of Prostitution as a legal activity in Argentina is complex. There are many aspects that contribute to the picture. I will try to mention some so you can get a broad idea.
1) As far as I know, there is a anti-prostitution act called Profilaxis Act. For a hygienity sake, prostitution is forbidden as a commercial activity and you cannot set a brothel and make money from it ("legally", of course...)
2) Personal privacy at home is supposed to be paramount. Unless the police has a court order for searching your home, you can do anything in your realm. That makes single-girl services "almost legal", since it is unlikely that girls can be chased that way (unless neighbors complain very loudly in the courts, in which case the police gets involved). Usually, girls are discouraged of continuing their business by threats from landlors to evict them or not renew the lease contracts, since many of these girls are pretty delinquent in their lease payments (they don't receive a continuous stream of income).
3) Outcall services are very difficult to catch or prove as working as SPs, so it is almost impossible for LE to bust them. Unlike in the US, there isn't enough budget for LE to cover even the minimum security expenditures for fighting serious crimes (murders, robberies, etc) so there is no money for LE to go behind these girls by setting expensive outcall services investigations. If there were lots of money available to LE, perhaps the situation would approach that of America.
4) The economic and social unrest of Argentina was ever present, although in the past the hardship didn't use to be as serious as today. This "ubiquitous poverty" status made the society disregard prostitution as a problem that really deserved attention. Also, unemployment, violence, state-run terrorism during military dictatorships and other tragic issues made prostitution a minor problem. That's why people don't worry about it, but people have some legal tools to deal with the problem if they were really interested.
5) Girls sitting in bars without rooms aren't doing anything illegal unless they mention their services and prices explicitly. Since they exert caution, it is almost impossible to legally bust them in places like Sodoma, Playwoman, Blacks and the like. However, if the police doesn't receive a bribe from the bar's owners, the officers can start noticing violations to the commercial and construction codes and ask their friends in the city hall to shut down those bars or pubs that don't "contribute to the cause". Said that, sitting in one of these bars is not illegal, nor leaving with a girls who didn't explicitly said that she would have sex for money, but the police would molest the patrons so they don't return to the non-contributing bars (stopping taxis outside of the building and searching for drugs and weapons, for instance).
6) Since many bars and brothels owners pay bribes, they feel that they deserve the right to offer other services, such as selling drugs to custmers. That creates an opportunity to the police to bust a place and harass a patron if ht eplace is found selling drugs.
In few words: Prostitution is illegal (at least in high scale), but police only cares about their additional income from bribes (not for justifying the budget, as in the US), and the society is too much worried about unemployment and violence to pay atention to such minor issues.
Respect to horror stories suffered by the girls, you will find several articles in Argentine newspapers (issued 1 or 2 months ago) mentioning the desperate situation of many Dominican girls who were kept in semi-slavery conditions in some brothels in Mar del Plata. However, I know a girl who made some respectable income from the hobby, so not all the stories are sad.
Hope this helps,
Andres
JamesBond69
09-16-02, 15:45
Great analysis and post. That's one of the great things about the Argentina section of the WSG forum. There are very intelligent discussions that encircle all aspects of the "hobby".
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It is a great forum. Many of the other forums are almost macho boasting soundboards - I did this, I did that to her which is interesting on same level...but the Argentine forum seems to not only have some great info but also "intelligence" about the situation in Argentina right now, which is quite dramatic to say the least.
I have a question for recent (post devaluation) hobbyists to BA....
You read in the press about pensioners turning to the hobby to survive and in some recent posts about girls going to Chile because the business is down in Argentina....also it seems less girls in the top tier "pro" places like Blacks then before. When the economy was good only girls who couldn't survive any other way got into the biz.
How has the scene changed since December...are more "amateurs" getting into it and the pro's going somewhere else? Is it attracting girls from all strata of societies? Do you find the girls now looking more for "sugar daddies" then mere clients, more aggressive to the point of stalking? Are the locals patronizing the high end places or are they just dependent on tourists to make good money?
I've practiced the hobby in Cuba and there it's really interesting because you have a very well educated but extremely poor population, so you get girls that are literally doctors, lawyers, teachers by day and pro's by night....
Someone said that every pretty girl in Havana gets involved in prostitution at one time or another....is it getting like that in Buenos Aires now?
I guess the answer is yes but I would like to know from the mongers first hand, as the last time I was in BA the economy was OK compared to now and it was more in and out professional, less GFE.....
http://www.aerolineas.com.ar/
Click cyberofertas
Miami to Buenos Aires $343 bucks
It seems that only one flight a month on the tenth leaves at this cheap rate but hey! I can plan around a fare like this.
Jackson:
This renting an apartment with all the amenities is an excellent
idea. It could prove useful when I am there on non-expense paid trip :0
Buenos Aires on Sale
Argentina on Sale: Several of us who travel to Argentina regularly have talked about the spectacular bargains available in Buenos Aires right now. To give you a better idea of costs, I have pulled together an approximate price list. Prices are in USD and are current as of 8/15/02....(1USD=3.56pesos)
Note:Chica prices are not included since they are highly variable..... if you do 3 per day and like to party in chica bars (boliches) ...add $200plus per day. If you buy the minimum number of drinks necessary to buy one chica out of a bar and take her to your room for 1-2 hours add $60USD...most of us fall somewhere in between.
Subte(subway). $.20
Taxi
In same zone. $.56(min)-1.00
Recoleta/downtown. $1.00-1.50
downtown/Belgrano $2.00-2.50
downtown/EZE airport $6.50-7.00
Private car (Remis)
EZE airport/downtown $10-15
per hour $5-7
Hotels (double)
5 Star International
brands $100-300 ......Hilton, Intercontinental, Sheraton, etc.
4 Star $25-100 .........Art Suites, Design Suites, Etoile, etc.
3 Star $15-50 .......... Castelar, Lancaster, etc.
Meals(prices are pp)
Breakfast $1-2
Lunch $2-4
Dinner (cafe) $2-5
Dinner (nice restaurant)$7-15 (including tip, wine)
Dinner (elegant restaurant) $25
Museum Ticket $.25-1.00
Futball Game $4.25-6
Colon Theater $2.80-39.25
City Tour $2.80-3.50
Tango Show/dinner $16.85-25
Estancia Tour (includes
lunch, transportation) $14-16
Newspaper $.33-.75
Coffee & snack $.50-1
Departure Tax (pd. at
airport as you leave) $18
Jamesbond69:
I heard that many more girls than before were seen sitted at tables in cafes and bars waiting for guys, specially after dark, in a kind of semi-pro action. Something similar to Cafe Orleans but less obvious.
However, I didn't pay much attention to them. First, as one monger wrote in costaricasex.com, "I pay the girls not only to get laid but also to leave". As semi-pros, girls may attach emotionally to you, something I consider not funny at all. Second, there are so many places to get "monger fun" with reasonable safety that I wouldn't risk to take a girl for a "journey to the unknown". Although it's very unlikely that a semi-pro girl would kidnap or intoxicate me to steal my kidneys or eyes, I feel safer inside the "traditional circuit". Third, I like to see girls in suggestive clothes and apparel. T-shirts and loose blue jeans are not very appealing to me.
Respect to GFE, I think that you will find more now than before, but you will notice that the looks of girls have decreased. Also, I heard in one of the Suipacha St. bars that it's very unusual to see local patrons.
I think Buenos Aires will be closer to Cuba than before respect to the hobby, but it won't reach the cuban level in the short run.
Hope this helps,
Andres
Roberto, Yes, that's the place and I can confirm that after nine pm there are at least a few dozen girls in there and that most of them do a striptease so you can see EXACTLY what you'll be getting under or over the covers. For an off-Recoleta experience I recommend it highly and you seem to be agreeing with that evaluation. The few nights I was there I saw more than a few girls that I'd enjoy being with although I went with the same one two nights in a row since I loved how she turned me on by getting down to a bbbj in the shower even before we made it to the bedroom. I recommend that guys that want to check out this place speak at least passable Spanish since there don't seem to be any English speaking chicas there. DownBA
Hi All,
I've been a reader of the guide for some time, and decided to join my amigo EZY over here as well.
As a way of introduction, let me back track a bit. About mid 1999, business started taking me to BA three to four times each month for almost two years straight. It was then that I developed a close friendship with Ricardo and Adriana, the owner and webmistriss of www.platynum.com.ar and www.escorts-argentina.com. I loved the ladies of BA so much, and the city as well, that I was inclined to write my BA report that many of you have seen on TSM, CH, and XTN. The report was set up to provide help to first time visitors to BA, to get as much enjoyment out of their initial visit as possible. The report is updated as conditions change.
Anyway, I'm glad to be here, and am happy to share the exchange of information as it pertains to BA.
Moondog
Moondog!
Welcome to this board. We are lucky to have you as well as Ezy. You two are the two single biggest influences of me visiting BA. I know that Moondog shares my love of Buenos Aires and all that it has to offer.
Moondog, i've been reading your posts for a long long time and you're a true gentleman. I'm glad you're on the board. I know you take time to post on several boards and I know I speak for everyone when I say thank you!
Good luck.
Moondog, could you paste a copy of your Buenos Aires Faq? I have never been there and would be interested in reading it here. Thanks.
Are there any $30 a night hotels in Recoleta? I don't mind something a little less fancy as long as you can bring the girls there without a problem. Any help would be appreciated. It seems that staying close to the action is the best thing to do. Also are there any Internet links with maps of the Recoleta area?
Saint, thanks for the nice words. Ezy is a good friend.
Dosequis, I really do not have a set of FAQ. If you have questions, ask them here and they will get answered.
Welcome to ezy and moondog :)
dosequis...$30 per night in the heart of Recoleta will be hard to do....try the link suggested by Saint and speak to Mayra about apartments. She has one that is well located and goes for $35 per night.
You say you want to be close to the action....Actually, there are two centers of action...Recoleta and downtown or the Microcenter....$30 per night is doable downtown close to the action....The Lancaster Hotel is on the corner of Reconquista and Cordoba, about a block from Cafe Orleans one direction and a block from Cutty Sark in the other direction.....http://www.lancasterhotelpage.com
Since you want an inexpensive hotel you are probably a budget minded monger....If so, I have found downtown to be less expensive for both drinks and chicas than Recoleta.....
good luck....
Moondog....Welcome amigo!!!!
Saint: A little over a year ago I was trying to decide on a new mongering destination....I was thinking about Cuba, Costa Rica, Colombia or Argentina....One look at Moondog's report and pix and I was packing my bags for Buenos Aires!!!!
After my first trip I wrote that Argentina was expensive and worth every penny I had spent. That was before devaluation of the peso. Nowadays Argentina is an incredible bargain and the thoughts I once entertained about other destinations are distant memories. Truth be known, most of the thoughts I entertain these days center on BsAs...my life in the states is spent planning for my next trip and exploring ways to live in Argentina months rather than weeks at a time....
I already have tickets in hand for trips number 6 and 7 to Buenos Aires....and with air fares as low as they are right now, I may soon pull the trigger on trip number 8......
Credit (or blame depending upon your perspective) goes to Moondog.....
citydude: Gracias....I am glad to discover another venue for discussing my favorite activity in my favorite city.....
Citydude and Ezy, thanks. Glad to be here.
Thanks moondog. I am not really on a budget but I'd rahter save my money for the women. I don't need luxurious accomodations. I didn't really mean a FAQ. You mentioned you have posted elsewhere a post to help beginners. I wouldn't mind reading that here. Could you copy and paste it?
What exactly is Cafe Orleans and Cutty Sark? Are there more bars to pick up chicas or are they regular bars? Are all the women available?
I am not big on escort services and I would rather go where you can pick up women that will go to your hotel for a price. Or at least go to a place where you see the women first. I prefer to dance, drink and talk first. Sex later. Where do you suggest? In these type of clubs do all the women go up and are there women that are just there to hang out. I am not fluent but I do speak more than enouh Spanish to get by.
Dosequis and other newbies:
Take the time to go back and read all the posts from early this year. I can bet all your questions will be answered. Just about everything you could ever need to know about is answered in this forum or in the archives. This is a very active board and information is current. If guys are taking the time to report, take the time to go back and read.
Remember this is a FREE board. My parents always told me that there's nothing free in life but I gotta tell you.... this board is the closest thing to it.
Good luck.
Dosequis,
My report that is constantly updated is only posted on other boards, and will not be posted here. They are pay sites or invitation only. If you want further details, email me at: moondog@zonaroja.net.
I agree with Saint, as the answers can be found in the archives, and there is a ton of information on these subjects.
Cafe Orleans is a normal cafe, but has the added benefit of beautiful and not so beautiful working girls sitting around the cafe as well. It is best during the normal work week, during afternoons.
Cutty Sark is a bar just around the corner from Cafe Orleans, and has the girls for take out. They open early evening.
I agree with Saint...for detail scroll back....but by way of introduction:
There are two primiary areas for Gringos seeking pay-for-play in BsAs: Downtown (Microcenter, Retiro areas) and Recoleta, an affluent area 5-10 minutes from downtown. Recoleta is more a residential area, downtown the business hub.
In downtown there are several pay for play clubs where all the girls are available to take to a short time hotel or to your hotel. Cutty Sark is the oldest chica bar in Buenos Aires, and is located between Cordoba and Paraguay on Reconquista. Cutty opens about 4:00 to cater to the after work crowd of Argentinos. It remains open until the wee hours of the morning. Not many chicas at either 4pm or 4 am though....best selection 8:30PM-1:00AM
Cafe Orleans is one of the strangest places I have seen...looks like a cafe and is open for breakfast, lunch, dinner...but there are a number of free-lance chicas sitting around with cell phones on the table waiting for a call from regulars or for you to pick them up....Orleans is located on Cordoba at the corner of San Martin.
Keep going 4 blocks or so straight on down Cordoba walking away from Puerto Madero and toward 9 de Julio until you hit Suipacha and turn right. In the 900 block you will find 4 more chica clubs, Hook, Ness, Cattos and Pipers. These places don't start to rock until about 11 PM.
If you don't like what you see in downtown, grab a cab and say, "La Recoleta, por favor." 10 minutes and 4-5pesos later you will be deposited more than likely at the corner of Vincente Lopez and Junin. Take a right on Junin....on your left you will pass a club that says Newport....The chicas here are available....keep going a block or so to Guido and take a right....on the opposite side of the street about half way down the block are a couple of more clubs, Afairre and Closers....again, all the chicas here are available.
If you are such a picky bastard that you still haven't taken a chica home, retrace your steps to the corner where the cab driver let you off, and head right....follow the sidewalk that runs beside the high concrete wall...which hides a cemetary....On the other side of the cemetary you can either turn right on Azcuenaga, where you will find Solid Gold and a little further up the street Playwomen, or continue straight ahead on Vincente Lopez where you will find severa more clubs, including Sodoma....(Doncha just love the names of some of these clubs? Sodom...and Playwomen For You are my favorite club names, though not my favorite clubs....) All of the Recoleta clubs are late night venues...
There are other clubs scattered around these two parts of town and in other barrios...there are also a few massage places here and there....but this list is of clubs are clustered more or less together...and should keep the first time visitor very busy.....
as my friend Moondog says so often....enjoy the life!!!
Originally posted by ezy
Jackson,
Your apartment sounds great! Congratulations. I have similar ideas, but you are a few steps ahead of me. I plan to spend about 3plus months per year in BsAs and figured out that I should be able to rent an apartment year round for less than the cost of a hotel for three months....
I will be in BsAs 21-28 October to look for an apartment to lease/purchase. Do you have a reliable, English-speaking realtor and/or lawyer you could recommend?
thanks....and again, cogratulations on scoring an apartment in the nicest city in the world outside of the U.S.
ezy
Sorry: Newbie to the Board! This was supposed to say that I'll be in BA 25, 26, 27, and 28 October. E-mail me at Travelman777@yahoo.com if you'd like to get together.
JamesBond69
09-17-02, 18:39
Sodom...and Playwomen For You are my favorite club names, though not my favorite clubs....)
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How come you don't mention Blacks...and what's your favorite club?
I was trying to list clubs that were bunched together and easy for the first timer to find....Black is slightly out of the way, unless you are staying in the Alvear Palace....Some folks consider Black's the creme del la creme of BsAs clubs...but the chicas I have made contact with seem a bit more professional (read:jaded) than girls from other clubs....
My favorite clubs? Well. things change a good bit from one visit to the next and from one night to the next, but overall I have found more chicas to pleasure me in the downtown clubs....less noise and less pressure overall.....My chica favorita works in Cutty Sark, but the overall quality is not as good in Cutty as in Hook in my experience...Another positive about the downtown clubs is that the salida paid to the bar is less....one drink mandatory for you, one for her...whereas in Afairre and the other bars one drink each buys an hour or an hour and a half...additional time costs more...
This having been said, I have taken home some great women from virtually all of the clubs except Black.....
And yet I just received an email from another guy whe took home a beauty(his words), and she stayed until the afternoon. So it is hit and miss, but Black girls sometimes need an attitude adjustment.....smile.
Originally posted by rob_roy5
Completely agree with you my friend .......... but I guess being in good shape and younger than 35 probably helps in BA, especially in negotiating with chicas .......... :-)))
Guys, anybody thinking to go to BA in late October/early November , I'll get there on the 26th of Oct, staying at Design Suites (thanks to MAyra - argentinago.com) and would like to hook up will fellow hobbist ....... Let me know ...
Cya, Ro
I'll be in BA from 25 Oct thru 28 Oct. Let's get together for a drink and to share info. E-mail me at Travelman777@yahoo.com
EZE_Amante
09-17-02, 21:51
I just want to echo what Saint had to say. I'll be heading to BA next month on my first trip, and I've taken the time to read everything posted on this site, and one other. The archives are a wealth of information, most of the places are the same, and the prices are discussed in depth. Just remember, that prior to January of this year the peso was pegged to the dollar which make Argentina an incredibly affordable destination compared to a year ago.
Also, a big thanks to Moondog, Ezy, and Saint for all of the detailed reporting that paves the way for the rest of us.
EZE
JamesBond69
09-17-02, 22:12
>Also, a big thanks to Moondog, Ezy, and Saint for all of the detailed reporting that paves the way for the rest of us.
Second the e-motion
I know this is a superfuous post but you guys and others - and of course our jefe Jackson - have been simply great. Keep it coming. I promise I will return the info with my info when I arrive in BA in the very near future.
IMHO, all these clubs are hit or miss sometimes. In May they were all great. In early September many of the clubs were sub-par. My favorite last time if you read my reports you'll know was Playwoman. I think I "visited" with 5 chicas from there my first trip alone. This trip I only saw one from there.
There is no arguing that you'll pay more money at Black's. However, I don't think it's too far out of the way. Ezy is right....it is right near Alvear Palace. I doubt many of us stay at that hotel often. I am definitely planning to stay there early next year. I want to blow it out and stay in BA in style one trip. I went in there and it was one of the best hotels I've been to. I'm a member of the Leading Hotels of the World club and of course Alvear Palace is part of that distinguished group.
Black's almost always has some hotties in it. Kick Stand and I went in last time with UWPhoto and Latasian and I was ready to spend some dough but all the chicas I wanted to see didn't look as good up close. It's hit or miss just like every other club but if you can speak Spanish I think you'll have an easier time. Last trip I saw two girls from Black's. One girl was an older Brittany Spear's looking girl. Her name back then was Celia. She was a cutie and the session was good. I paid 300 pesos for a short time visit (exchange rate back then was 3.1 to $1 US). Admittedly I probably paid more than i should have but at least I negotiated..at first she wanted 500 pesos!! She was still working there as of 2 weeks ago. I saw her when I went to the bathroom and she came up to me and said hi. She remembered me.
I talked to my amiga friend today on the phone. She works at Shampoo off and on. She told me that several chicas are planning to go to Cancun to work in January. It was really interesting to hear the dyamics of how things work. She is very good about providing answers when I ask her questions about the clubs. The owner of Shampoo also owns Shampoo in Cancun. She told me that if girls are hot, he will pay for them to fly to Cancun, will pay for their apartment (but like 5-6 girls have to all share one small apartment). Any of you that have also been to Cancun know how expensive it is. I was there in December/January of last year and the going rate for a hottie was $200 - $250 US for 1 hour - 1 1/2 hours. Yes, you read that right. These girls can go there for 3 or 4 months and BANK!!
She plans on working 4 months in Cancun and retiring forever. For her sake I hope she does it. Nice girl. At least she had good things to say about the owner of Shampoo. Apparently the owner of Black's is a real creep.
I never had luck at Cafe Orleans. The times I went in I was scared because the girls were so foul. After like the 3rd time striking out I just have given up on that place. I've always had pretty good luck with the internet and will continue to use it. Then again I have seen some pictures of some hotties that Moondog has hooked up with. (Maybe that is what keeps me going back.....I'm always on the quest for that 'gem'). Incidentally, Moondog is also the guy that told me about Sandy--- the hottie I had the pleasure to visit with alone and with her friend, Gema. Damn life is good. Thanks again buddy.
I'm gonna go crazy in November. I plan to hit all the clubs and try to find some super hotties. The anticipation is killing me. I bet I don't make it till my November trip before I go down again. As some dude posted earlier.... pray for me... LOL!
[QUOTE]Originally posted by saint
[Incidentally, Moondog is also the guy that told me about Sandy--- the hottie I had the pleasure to visit with alone and with her friend, Gema. Damn life is good. Thanks again buddy.
My pleasure. Glad to help. Hope to hook up with you in November. I wil be in town next week for a short stay, and will check out the new club Blandish that EZY has mentioned.
i remember we had a quick discussion about an internet girl -
barbarella/janet/agata (man, enough aliases already).
well, i live in south beach, and with the columbus day regatta coming up, i was helping a friend with some miami-based escort web sites (too expensive for me to hobby here - $400+/hr), and she pops up (as andrea) with a local number!
http://www.eros-miami.com/sections/escortsbrunette.htm
-> andrea.
so, what's up with that? think the miami place just stole her pix for filler? or they would pay a bait & switch on me if it tried to meet here? i called, but they never called me back...
Leo,
Never assume anything when it comes to a girl wanting to make money. I talked to a few girls from the internet sites that come to the US whenever they can to make some big time dinero. I also talked to some chicas from the clubs that have a visa and routinely get flown in by clients.
Yes, it could be a case of someone lifting the girls picture but there is just as good a chance she has a visa and is gonna work here. I believe Barbarella holds a Brazillian passport and not one from Argentina so it might be easier for her to get a visa.
I do disagree with posting the link to her ad. It could make it dangerous for her. (I'm not saying she is doing anything illegal because anyone knows it is totally legal to pay a girl for dinner) but probably not smart to start posting links for girls that aren't citizens. If anyone sees it....it could cause big problems for her and her visa could be permanately blocked from entering the USA in the future).
In fact, if that is the case...Jackson might want to delete both of our posts.....JMHO.
leo....
Ask a semi-intelligent girl from Platynum whether she would rather earn $400 pesos por toda la noche in BA or $400USD per (1400plus pesos) per hour in Miami. Guess what she's gonna say? Portenas are beautiful, but they aren't stupid....if they have a Visa to enter the US and just a little bit of savy....they will work stateside for a short time and then go back home. Happens a lot.
I met a very fine young woman last year in BA who advertized on Platynum....This year she is in the good old USA....I believe she even has an airline credit card so she can wrack up ff miles....
More power to her! My biggest fear is that she will lose her BA attitude and pick up the attitude of the majority of US providers. This would be a shame in her case.
She was probably the single best provider I have ever seen....hot looking and eager to do just about anything imagineable.....not to put too fine a point on it, she offered me a BBBJ to completion....and just as the moment approaches she shoves her index finger up my ass....I lose it....wave after wave of love potion into her eagerly awaiting mouth...she removes her finger, smiles at me and swallows...taking time to lick her lips....
Here's hoping she doesn't lose her eagerness to please during her stay in the good old USA.....
So would a good plan of action for a newbie be to get a Matrimonial suite (looks like it has one big bed) foraoround $30-35 and hit the downtown area clubs?
How safe is walking the BA downtown area after midnight? This areas sounds like a good start for me as a newbie than hitting Recoleta first. If it's slow then I can hit the Recoleta clubs. I would much rather go to clubs where working girls are versus using escort services. I like to see and talk to any woman first to get a true vibe.
What is the Lancaster Hotels "guest" policy? And is their any problem getting a Recoleta working girl to go to the Lancaster? Thanks for all your help.
Chuponalgas
09-18-02, 03:38
2 major hobbyists, middle aged, will be in BA 11/12-11/24, staying in Recoleta. Been everywhere else, but never BA. We speak Spanish. Fun guys, non-smokers, not big partiers. If you are an experienced BA monger, can we buy you dinner and get some tips and trade war stories? Read all the posts, but comparing notes in person is fun! chuponalgas@yahoo.com
PS: anyone met YASMIN at PLATYNUM?
whoremonger 1
09-18-02, 05:11
Hi!
Does anyone have expirience with Cecy (http://www.escorts-argentina.com/EscortsArgentina/Girl49.htm) ?
Is it worth inviting an escort from the above agency for a weekly trip abroad? Is the agebcy trustworthy?
Please drop me some infos.
Originally posted by ezy
Here's hoping she doesn't lose her eagerness to please during her stay in the good old USA..... [/i]
EZY,
Don't worry, she hasn't lost a step. :)
Originally posted by whoremonger 1
Hi!
Is it worth inviting an escort from the above agency for a weekly trip abroad? Is the agebcy trustworthy?
Please drop me some infos.
Whether it is worth it is totaly up to you and how you interact with the girl, and what value you put on that interaction.
www.escorts-argentina.com and www.platynum.com.ar are not agencies, but rather webhosting services for the independent girls to put their names and photos up for all to see. The owners are as nice and honest as can be. Adriana, the webmistriss, can help you with a selection on www.escorts-argentina.com. That is totally wysiwyg.
Moondog
Originally posted by moondog
EZY,
Don't worry, she hasn't lost a step. :)
chuckle.....good to hear....she's a winner with capital W
taking a girl out for a week is not uncommon :) you have to have had a rapport with her previously. Currently the pesos/EU/USD makes Argentina the best value for import.
I invited one for over a week, and had a rum time. She got to see London and Paris, and I got thoroughly laid :)
Dosequis,
My favorita who works just down the street in Cutty Sark tells me Lancaster is chica friendly. Here is how I normally confirm: When you make your reservation by email or by phone tell them that while you are traveling alone you would like to reserve a room/suite for two because you have several "amigas" who may visit you and you don't want any problems.....if there is a problem they will tell you....again, my favorita is in a position to know and she says there is not a problem here.....Be sure to ask for a promotional rate or discount for....a stay of more than several days or whatever...the reservationists have a lot of latitude at this hotel....I got a quote from some of the web sites, then phoned the hotel told them the rate I had been quoted and asked if I could get a room for a lower price by booking direct...."Por Supesto" was the reply....so you can probably get a suite for the price of a double by negotiating a little....and use the money you save to bring back an extra chica....
The rate they quoted me was 90pesos for a junior suite, 110 for a senior suite, 70 for a double....I didn't ask about the matrimonial suite...Another tact is to tell them you met a guy who recommended the hotel and told you he paid these prices and you would like to reserve a room if the same rates are still in effect......90p is 25-26 per night....that's with tax and breakfast included.....so even if you pay a little more for a shorter stay (these rates were for a week) you should stay within your budget......
FWIW, I found an apartment for my week in BA in October,so I will not actually stay at the Lancaster....but I would like to try it out one of these days....I like hotels with character....and that are inexpensive....
re: saftety....personally, I would not have a problem walking from the Lancaster to either Cutty Sark or Orleans...both a only a block or so away....for the clubs on Suipacha or certainly to Recoleta, I would take a taxi at night. TDuring the day it is safe enough to walk around and explore. There is a taxi stand on the Reconquista side of the Lancaster. You can take a Taxi to Suipacha for the minimum of 2pesos....or to Recoleta for about 5 pesos....
About a block from the Lancaster is the Galeria Pacifica....a large, covered shopping mall. In the basement is a food court with lots of restaurants with low-priced meals....some very good restaurants in town have faster food venues here......worth trying....also Che Bleu is a small restaurant on Paraguay....keep going past Cutty Sark, take a left on Paraguay until you come to the restaurant....the food is good and inexpensive....If you show up about 9PM it also has the advantage of being a favorite of many of the girls who work at Cutty Sark...so you may be able to see some of the chicas in a brighter light....
hope this helps
"If you are an experienced BA monger, can we buy you dinner and get some tips and trade war stories?"
Has anyone considered putting together a Field Guide for Buenos Aires? The problem for a newcomer with a limited stay is that there is so much information here to sift through, and it is a huge city. You have to be squared away a bit before you come. After going back thru the vast number of reports and jotting down addresses, you then have to pore over maps to find streets, etc.
Had a succinct guide been available before my recent trip, I would most certainly have bought one. It might include a breakdown of joints by category with reviews, lists of webpages, maps, etc.
I was also wondering if Jackson has considered some sort of facility for video clips on the site. Not of people doing it, but of the inside of some of the chica-filled places discussed here. That would really help people pre-visualize things here.
Referring to the price list someone provided below, I had an excursion to Iguazu Falls (airfare, hotel with meals, tours of both sides); a City tour; a Tigre tour, and a Tango/dinner show all for USD 220. Iguazu was really stunning, and Marcela at Camuniaviajes.com seems to know how to get the good prices.
To look good for the ladies, I had a designer haircut for USD 2.50
Hello from Moscow (still a vile, wretched, evil place!)
TWO POINTS OF BUSINESS:
1) I'm traveling to Hong Kong and Vietnam on Business next month but plan to make a side trip to Thailand (Pattaya and BKK) so all my BA brothers, please stay tuned to the Thailand Board for my exhaustive reports (I will try to be "Saint-like" in the thoroughness of my posts).
2) To Jackson, Saint, et all--I finally have managed to fanagle a divorce from my wife. Sad yes, but fortunately we have no children and we were both miserable, so this is a very good thing. I'm in my forties and want to live my life. And the last several years with the ball and chain have truly been like prison (ironically I like my wife as a person) In short, DO NOT EVER GET MARRIED BOYS! IT IS A DEAD END AND FINANCIAL SUICIDE....Be that as it may, I'm turning the page and going to enjoy the rest of my days on this earth....Which brings me to my next point. I'm going to take the plung and put my money where my mouth is and purchase a large Recoleta apartment this December. Will be looking to buy a luxury, doorman 3/4 bedroom and drop somewhere around 100-150K (a colleague "on the ground" recently married, purchased a lovely 2 BEDROOM apartment in BA (between Recoletta & Palermo) for 45K--he is from NYC and claims that the same place in Manhattan right now, would go for 600K.
As much as I find it unseemly to be a robber barren and capitalize on the ravaged economy--the fact remains that I LOVE BA and I truly want to retire there (and plan on visiting it 2/3 times per yer until I do; frequent flyer miles on United make this feasable--I only pray that UA doesn't go belly up/or cut back on their international routes). Furthermore, I (almost) want to say that I my decision to buy an apartment has nothing to do with the hobby. THE CITY IS AMAZING and I just have to believe that eventually (even 10 years down the road) the economy is going to turn around and right itself. Realistically speaking, the peso seems to have stabalized (albeit on the floor) at roughly 3.6 to the dollar. To me, that means that things probably have bottomed out, and can not go any lower. Thus, the optimum time to buy is now (hopefully).
So--LA Larry will also have a furnished residence that I will be "selectively" renting out to starting in January. (I don't fancy the idea of turning my home into a brothel, but here and there, I'll be happy to accomodate responsible brothers for their stays in BA).
More details to follow. Stay tuned....
How are the police in Buenos Aires? Are they into the bribe thing like Mexcio? Or are they more like the police in the US?
LA Larry....if you find a good English-speaking Realtor...post the information...I am thinking about a lease/purchase in the Recoleta/Barrio Norte area...although I am looking for something smaller, a one or two bedroom apartment works for me as long as it is in a secure building and relatively new or restored...
LA Larry,
Congratulations on the divorce amigo. Sounds like the best option for both of you. I hope you can still afford your BA apartment post divorce. I know mine drained me dry. But your happiness is what matters. Life is great...you just gotta live it.
I think a lot of guys are going to be buying property down there. I talk to a few dudes every week that are looking to buy. I myself would rather rent than buy right now but if I found a good deal on a 1 to 2 bedroom apartment I'd think about it.
Like Ezy posted, PLEASE anyone post if you find a reliable realtor in BA. I'm sure we could keep him/her busy.
Again, congrats amigo.
Saint/Ezy/LA Larry and Others:
I recommend that you contact a bilingual lawyer. For a few bucks he/she will arrange all the errands and save you a lot of time by not hitting the wrong reators (Inmobiliarias). In fact, a few nights saved in hotel fees for optimizing your apartment search will more than pay for his/her service.
I have lawyers friends of mine who may recommend me a bilingual lawyer versed in the real estate market. If any of you are interested, please post your e-mail address and I will ask my lawyer friends.
Dosequis:
Police won't bother for bribes you unless you do something really wrong (for instance, passing a red light when driving). If you are white skinned and gringo looking, they shouldn't harass you. However, police officers are barely distinguishable from criminals: Look at this week's issues of Clarin and La Nacion; you will find the history of 3 poor teenagers (not well educated or not very wealthy) who were forced by the police to jump into the pestilent waters of Riachuelo river because policemen thought they may be criminals. One of the teenagers is still missing. That gives you the quality of the actual police procedures in BA.
LA Larry:
BA is a wonderful city, but don't bet on that the peso took bottom. Argentina changed currency 3 times since 1980, and we suffered several hiperinflation periods. One of the keys to survival in Argentina is assuming permanent risk and changing conditions. Believe me: When the Argentine Central Bank exhauste its Dollar reserves after paying IMF-BIRF interest in loans during mid 2003 or after court orders force restoration of frozen accounts, nobody would know how many Pesos the Dollar worths (3.6? 5? 10?)
It will take decades for BA to become a Sao Paulo or a Mexico DF, but Buenos Aires will unavoidably follow the common Latin American pattern: Few very rich communities surrounded by very poor trenchtowns. Recoleta and vicinity will, of course, continue being very wealthy, so it shouldn't deter you very much from buying there.
Hope this helps,
Andres
andresg: Gracias....here is my email: unpocolocoenba@hotmail.com
Andres ,
Great analysis! Anyone that has taken economics classes in college would come up with the same rational as you posted. While I hope things don't get worse for the economy anything is possible. Personally I don't think it will get much worse than 4 pesos to the $1 US but no one knows for sure.
2003 is going to be an interesting year for Argentina. I hope it is a more prosperous one for the people of Argentina but it will take many years for things to unravel. It definitely can get worse before it gets better economically.
The new elections in March shouldn't make too much of a difference in my humble opinion. It's interesting because every taxi driver I had (and trust me I had many many....I'm lazy when it comes to walking) I asked who they wanted for President in the new election. ALL laughed and said it didn't matter. Some of the answers were pretty comical. A few said me, a few said them, a few said their wives were stupid and even she could do a better job. Most said it simply didn't matter.
I get the sense the people of Buenos Aires are just plain tired of the shenanigans of the corruption by their government. As I've posted before. We are the IMF right now. We are bailing out Argentina, one chica at a time (sometimes two)
Andres...please email me any info/contacts that you have. saintofba@hotmail.com Thanks in advance.
Chuponalgas
09-19-02, 08:57
I have a plan to save Argentina: rent out the public offices! Wanna be President of Argentina for a week? $1,000,000. Vice-President? $500,000. Ambassador to Rome? $100,000. We could send rich bored Silicon Valley billionaires down to run the country and pay for the privilege. Hell they couldn't screw it up worse than it already is! And heck, they might figure out how to fix the economy! But that's just my opinion, and I could be wroooooong.... OK I will shut up now.
chuponalgas....are these prices in pesos or dollars?
AIR FARE SALE...Delta is dropping prices dramatically as it prepares to exit the Buenos Aires market....rt from ATLANTA to EZE....$513 including tax....yup, including tax...This fare is available on Travelocity. I could not find the same fare on the Delta web sit. Hurry!!!
American Airlines is matching the fare. I got my ticket last night, and I'll be there next Friday!
Jackson
I'm off to BA as well, leaving the 27th through the 8th of Oct. Hopefully staying at the ArtSuites. Hey Jackson -- can you provide details of how you got American Airlines to match Delta's fares? Do you know if it's upgradeable so that I can use my mileage to sit in a fat seat?
Anybody want to connect while we're all down south? If so, let me know at sf_******@yahoo.com
Oops. My em address was partially replaced with **. It should have read SF_******
I must be ignorant about something having to do with posting email addresses. The missing word in my email address is ******
OK. Last try. The missing word in my email address is a 6 letter spanish word for man.
Why did the board substitute asterisks??
Wow. Great fares! I wish I had the time to go again sooner. Unfortunately November is my next trip. Also, anyone booking on Delta Airlines, don't forget to go to their website and register for the Bonus miles offer. They are offering 25,000 bonus miles if you complete travel before November 30th. I get back one day earlier and won't be able to get the bonus miles but I might fly down in early November just to get the extra 25,000 miles.
(It's hard to find the special offer. Go to their website: http://www.delta.com; click on specials on the right; click on "skymiles special offers"; click on "Fly to select destinations in Latin America and earn up to 50,000 miles " .For the special offer you MUST register your frequent flyer #. This isn't a heavily advertised offer but well worth the time to register. 25,000 bonus miles is nothing to sneeze at. With the regular miles you'd already have over 35,000 miles.
DonJuan, there are certain words that are automatically blocked automatically by the system. Yours happens to be one of them.
JamesBond69
09-19-02, 22:15
"Fly to select destinations in Latin America and earn up to 50,000 miles " .For the special offer you MUST register your frequent flyer #. This isn't a heavily advertised offer but well worth the time to register. 25,000 bonus miles is nothing to sneeze at. With the regular miles you'd already have over 35,000 miles."
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That's great but if you are planning to fly to BA on a regular basis what's the point if Delta discontinues service to BA, as rumor has it.
Are these points transferable to other airlines. Perhaps this is a question more for a travel agent than hobbyist:-)
Bond, James Bond 69
Hey 25,000 miles is 25,000 miles. Delta will still fly to Sao Paulo. Plus, as much as I love Buenos Aires I'm sure I'll hit other cities.... EVENTUALLY...ha, ha.
P.S. It's NO rumor. It's a fact. Delta will not be flying to Buenos Aires or Rio after December 1st.
saint....thanks. let's see...the trip is 10,000 (app) miles...I have Medalion status, so I get 25% extra...or an additional 2,500 miles plus 25000 bonus miles...that's 37,500 miles for a trip to the promised land....almost enough for a trip to Sao Paolo...and more than enough to go to Costa Rica or Columbia or Souix City, Iowa (if you are of a mind to go to Iowa)...how could a person not go one more time????
aa has a web special! now, i checked from miami, so don't know about other cities.
only $372 plus $66 tax for a total of $438!
i found it for mid-oct.
best i can tell, fare requires a purchase by tomorrow, sep-20, for trave completing by dec-12.
good luck all...
Leo,
I give you one better. Round trip MIA to EZE from Nov 4 to Nov 14 is 374.90 with all taxes and charges included. Give you one guess where I'm going to be.
Hey guys, I'm a long time business traveler to Argentina, but unfortunately not recently. Anyway, I love this forum, so please get back to the details of your sexual experiences and spare us the travel agent talk!!!
Hello, I am travelling to buenos aires from Oct 16-22nd. Anyone else going to be there and want to hang out? Let me know if you are. rbcolo_1@yahoo.com. I speak spanish fluently as well.
ua has the $375 fare. aa has it also (actually cheaper), but aa requires travel mon-thu.
looks like i'll be doing a b.a. trip on oct17-20!
Keith,
Nothing for nothing, it's this "travel agent talk" that allows guys like you to live vicariously through guys like us via the board so please quit your complaining and be thankful that this board is the high quality it is.
Ok. More "travel agent talk". Ha! Leo just emailed me cause he mistakenly figured out that trips from EZE to MIA are about 4 times cheaper than going from MIA to EZE around the holidays. Example. You can fly a chica in from BA to MIA (providing she has a passport AND visa) for $359.50. The flight would leave BA on December 19th and she would go back January 4th. $359!!!!!! That same flight from MIA to EZE is over $1500.
I don't know about you but I'm thinking if you know any chicas down there that have a visa...definitely try to fly her in. Just the difference in price is $1140. Something to think about.
Ok Guys --- I think I need a little R & R next month and yes the Etoile has lumpe bed's --- Can anyone recomend a reasonably price accomadations in Recoleta --- And one more thing --- If you guys keep this up, Buenos Aires is going to be ruined by all of us --- Argentina has been a well kept secret and its is my believe that its being ruined by this board --- Exon
Originally posted by exon123
.....Argentina has been a well kept secret and its is my believe that its being ruined by this board --- Exon
How so ? There is enough in EZE so as to allow enough of us :)
Those airfares look great but now I get the gist. Those fares are all East coast fares so most of you guys have to be on the East coast. No wonder BA is your playground. Are all you BA regulars East Coast guys?
I am closer to the West Coast so TJ, Thailand, the PI and other parts of Asia make better travel options. I don't have frequent flyer miles. With tax I don't want to pay $700 or even $600 to go to BA. If I had an airfare for under $400 I'd already be there. Anyone know of any cheap way to get to BA from the West coast not including courier?
dosequis....uh, it is usually best to put the cart before the horse...
In this case that means checking out the price of airfare before you ask for detailed information about what to do and where to stay once you arrive.....if you aint goin it don't matter whether the Lancaster Hotel lets chicas in the rooms ....
But if you really want to go check previous posts and you will find several lower cost options available from the West Coast to Argentina for around $500....$520 to be exact.....
exon: Wow...talk about a contradiction....You chastize us for posting information about Buenos Aires while at the same time asking for us to post information about Buenos Aires......
I know of several reasonably priced lodging options in BA, but if I post the info you request will you thank me or spank me?
LOL. I totally agree with Ezy. I have to shake my head sometimes and laugh at some of you because you take and take and take from the board. Then you complain, complain, complain. Argentina is a huge city. Trust me, it's far enough away that no one will "ruin" it. The other thing that seperates it from other destinations is there is not one central area where there are hobbyist. For the most part (except at night) the action in Buenos Aires is discreet.
Some of the active hobbyist post to share information with you all. Jackson, I think it's high time to get the PRIVATE board going. I know that many of us are members of other boards and I can tell you that the other boards have no members that complain about information. The thing that I can equate it to is someone that hits the jackpot lottery and then bitches and complains the whole time about having to pay the taxes on it. They don't realize how lucky they are to have come across "it" and all the while complain about something.
Trust me, you won't realize what you lost until there are no posts on the board and everyone is saying, "hey, where did all the posters go". Good luck all.
Hi Saint,
I'm working on it. Expect an announcement sometime in the next couple of weeks.
Jackson.
Posted from BA in early June but had to cut my trip short and return home (family bereavement). Even after 3 days there I knew it was the place to go and am checking fares for a six week trip either Nov or Jan.
A note to some of the 'vicarious readers'. Until you start making a contribution yourselves, I would suggest you don't complain too much, or this great service might just go off-limits. That would be a loss to us all. Getting to BA and having a good time isn't just the chicas; hotels and fares all play their part. Maybe everyone who takes off the board should find somewhere/somebody new to report on. We can't always depend on Saint, Ezy and a few other regular contributors who probably supply 90% of the posts. Respect and thanks to all you guys.
While I was there I walked around Congresso, San Telmo (don't miss the market on sunday) at any hour and felt totally safe, so I'd recommend getting out of Recoletta occasionally. A great Italian restaurant is Campo dei Fiori (corner of San Jose and Venezuala tel: 4381-0682).
Next trip I'll spend a week in BA to start and finish and check out a few other places, like Cordorba, and definitely Mar del Plata.
And definitely post!
SteveC
BA on the brain pretty much describes me since my visit early this month.
Summing it all up, I would say that the Argentine woman is more affectionate and hotter than I had imagined. They seem to like being approached from the rear, and do their actress best to try to convince you that you are the biggest stud they have ever run into. Compared to Rio, the only difference seemed to be that they don't do francesca without a rubber without some encouragement, but I felt more at home in BA and think it is the best spot in the world right now.
Concerning the police question below. I would say they are more like American police; they are out in force, but do not take much interest in you. In Latin America, customs/immigration officials are often totally corrupt assholes, but in BA they just get you in and out with no fuss. I was not cheated out of a single peso in BA; it seems they have certain standards of behaviour that not even a depression is going to change.
I am going back after the Summer heat lets up next year. Want to go to places like Salta, Mendoza, Bariloche. Must be action there, and would like to hear any information any of you might have about these tourist spots.
I totally agree with Roberto. Customs is great in BA. Never hassle you at all. The first trip I went, they looked through my bag and the girl opened the side pouch and it had about 50 condoms, lube, etc. She quickly closed it and let me on my way. (Since then I've packed all the goodies in my checked bag...).
The police are definitely out in force. I noticed more of a presence this past trip. I've stopped and asked them directions before and they've always been friendly with me.
I want to strongly encourage guys not to give their business cards to chicas unless you are NOT married, don't care if people know you are in the hobby, etc. Some of the girls I'm friends with always ask me if I know..."John Doe..." and so and so. They assume that if we are executives then we might know their clients sometimes. I was shocked when she was asking me about some senior level executive in Florida. She told me his full name, his title and the company he works for. I also chat with a few girls on web camera so I can see them and your business cards sometimes when they hold them up to the camera.
Guys, if she is asking me....odds are she is mentioning your names to other guys. Don't assume these girls will honor and respect your privacy. Like I said, some guys probably could care less but I doubt you want your name and company name mentioned to other dudes. Who knows who else is looking at your business cards while being informed that you are a client of theirs.
The smart thing to do is to just get the chica's email address. Just about every girl I've talked to has an email address in Buenos Aires. I've communicated with a ton of them on a regular basis. Also, if you give her your email address... make sure you make one up on hotmail or yahoo or one of the other sites. Who knows if they will accidentally forward your email address to other people. One time last week a chica forwarded me a joke. She included what appeared to be all of her clients that she had the email address for in her address book. I noticed several of the guy's email addresses were from their company's email system. It included their first and last names. For example: john.doe@ibm.com Like I said, do NOT use personal email addresses.
Many of you are single guys and don't think about things like this but also remember that some of us no matter what our marital status is signed "morality clauses" in our contracts at work. Granted, it would be hard to enforce something like this...but why give your company a reason to terminate you if you're sitting on the fence with them or they are laying off. (Many of you that are Senior Level executives or higher at public companies signed these whether you know it or not). Good luck all.
Saint
[QUOTE]Originally posted by saint
[i]LOL. I totally agree with Ezy. I have to shake my head sometimes and laugh at some of you because you take and take and take from the board. Then you complain, complain, complain. Argentina is a huge city. Trust me, it's far enough away that no one will "ruin" it.
... And I totally agree with Saint ... I had such a laugh reading what Exon posted ... I couldn't believe what he was saying ..... I have been reading the WSG Argentina Forum since January 2002, immediately after the devaluation, every single day and I am one of those who takes and takes and takes (since I have never been to BA) ….. I heard so many “interesting” things about BA that I changed my mind (previously thinking about Rio de Janeiro) … so I am going to be there (coming from far Europe, 13 hours flight) in one month time, staying for 7 nights and …. I just find ridiculous what Exon said earlier on today …. I’ll be staying to Design Suites (thanks to Mayri, www.argentinago.com ) and I’ll do my best to tell you guys as much as possible about this apart hotel (didn’t find much information about this place so far in the board… chica-friendliness, attitudes of the management towards hobbyists, ecc …) and about all the chicas I am going to “entertain” (hope not less than 2 every single day) …. So I hope I’ll be able to give something back to this great forum, sorry … forgot to say free forum (thanks Jackson) ….. and I am thankful to all those guys who shared and are still sharing their time and experiences with us, LA Larry, Starfe, DownBA, Andres, Ezy, Moondoog, Yabba, Toosh, Tio Otto de Buenos Aires (Otto Graham),Saint just to name a few …. Believe it or not, I’ve just bought my first digital camera on purpose for my first trip to BA (hey Saint, in 1 month time it will be me sending you nice pics of “portenas” rather than the other way around, just wait and see).
Anyway, to cut a long story short, you guys just wait until the 26th of October and I’ll try to give back as much as I can, probably something different, I am Italian but live in the UK …. BA seen from a European point of view …. Probably my comments will be slightly different from most of the other guys because I am used to Italian and Spanish chicas ….. Thank you all, rob_roy
Saint, Ezy, Jackson and other frequent posters, I truly appreciate the information you provide through your posts. Please dont stop on account of some ridiculous request. I have been to Argentina several times, the most recent being in late December. I did not have the opportunity to "play" on my last visit but am returning in 3 weeks and will this time. I promise to repay you with info posts on a daily basis.
Saint, you stated in a post that blacks, playwoman and others were subpar compared to your last visit. Did you find the internet girls to be more attractive than the girls in the clubs? Were there any 8-10's? I am lining up some internet girls from platynum for daytime fun, but wondering if I should do the same for nite time?
hey rob_roy5 - post here if you will be in b.a. oct17-21 and want to meet up... staying at art suites again...
Saint,
I TOTALLY agree with your post about confidentiality. I met this 5'2", 110lbs., blonde Brazilian, named Emily, at Playwoman in June. After spending time in my room, we decided to go for coffee, at which point she began telling me about the guys with whom she exchanges email in the US. She even pulled out a letter this guy had written, his business card AND a photograph he had mailed. And she's telling me all about how he stayed at the Etoile several weeks before, etc.
Now, guys, I'm from the old school...no paper trail, use cash when possible, use an alias when possible, anonymous email, etc. This poor schmuck has no idea that his personal information is NOT being kept in the strictest confidence. He's in the States dreaming about the hot chica he has back in BsAs, and she's showing me ALL of his personal information (including work and home mailing addresses,email addresses and phone numbers) saying, "This is the guy I f---ed four weeks ago." TAKE A MOMENT AND LET THAT SINK IN!
Keep your cards close to your vest and stay... "invisible".
Drgn
Guys:
The area of San Jose and Venezuela ia a terrific place to dine out.
I recommend you 2 places near Campo dei Fiori (which is also very good):
- PLAZA MAYOR: Perhaps, the best Spaniard restaurant in Buenos AIres. EXCELLENT sea food (paellas, cazuelas de mariscos), obscene desserts (those that can kill your liver) and very good wine.
- PROSCIUTTO: One block from there, in the corner of Santiago del Estero and Venezuela. An Italian restaurant, with a "retro" decorations (old appliances hanging from the walls, old jukeboxes, etc). Pasta and ham (prosciutto means ham in Italian) are so good that your physicians would punish you for such colesterol excess. I recommend Spaghetti with mushrooms, Pan de campo (nice bread topped with mozzarella) and also obscene desserts (same owner as Plaza Mayor and Campo dei Fiori).
Personal information:
Unfortunately, the Argentine culture disregards the value of confidentiality. Many girls will tell you "Sure, absolute discretion!" only to talk about you and your looks to their friends 2 hours later. RELEASE AS LESS INFO AS POSSIBLE.
Even government databases are sold in software copyhouses for a few dollars, so datamarketers use this info to pest people.
I receive 50+ spam e-mail messages every day in my old address. 80% of them come from Argentina, selling me everything, even femenine towels.
Be careful.
Customs:
Usually, they are fast and non-harassing, even for us Argentinians. I was able to bring my laptop without any hassle last July. Since I pushed the button and got a green light, no problem.
However, BE CAREFULL ABOUT MONEY!!! Last week, a woman was arrested when trying to leave from Ezeiza to Fuimicino (Rome) with $80,000 in cash. You can only take $10,000 per trip from the country (just in case any of you thinks about bringing money to buy an apartment).
Hope this helps,
Andres
Please gentlemen, don't spam me for this message, but I'm have to ask this question. Are there a lot of older chicas (40+) in Buenos Aires that I can have fun with?
RobRoy5,
Ha, ha. Looking forward to seeing your pictures buddy. I don't even know how many pictures I've sent you but I definitely know you owe me a few dozen. :)~ I know you'll have a blast.
RB1,
Yes, the clubs in May were at least 300% better. Fear not, I hear that the clubs are filling back up with hotties. I think as the weather gets warmer even more girls will come back. Don't get me wrong. The clubs were OK but compared to May they sucked. In May there were plenty of 8's, 9's and a few maybe close to 10's. This trip it was slim pickings. BUT, I would always want to go to the clubs. They are so much fun. Definitely try to hook up with some WSG brothers while you are down there. It's so much fun to joke around and hang out with guys at the clubs. I've had the most fun (besides with the chicas) bonding with guys over dinner and in the clubs.
The internet girls were few and far between this trip too. I mean there were still hotties but you just had to call maybe 6 or 7 girls to get the 1 gem that you want to hook up with. Back in May, I didn't use the internet girls as much because there were so many in the clubs. If you want to see internet girls...I'm telling you -- print out at least 6 or 7 girls for every one that you want to see. Example. If you plan on seeing 5 girls during your trip..go to sites like Escorts-Argentina, Platynum, Area-Vip, etc. and print out about 35 girls. As I said, many were on vacation, not working, disconnected phone, etc.
Drgn, I know that girl well. She is one of the girls I chat with online a ton. When I went down my first trip she is one of the girls I saw. The scary thing is that when I got back to the States and started chatting with her on web cam, she was holding up my business card on the camera. When I asked her where she got it she just said she was a "witch" and did magic. I knew she couldn't have grabbed it from my wallet because I always had it hidden. I went to look at my suitcase. You know those luggage business card holders? Well, she took my business card out of there. So everyone needs to be careful. Granted, there isn't much a girl can do with your personal information but you never know.
Also, if a girl wants to get your information bad enough.. she'll get it no matter what you do. Case in point. One of the girls I saw from Platynum this trip emailed me and I noticed in her email to me she had my email address then it had my initials next to it. Example: johndoe@fakeemail.com (JD). When I asked her how she got my initials, she hesitated at first then mentioned that she got it from the hotel when she came to see me. I'm not sure how she got it.
I'm not trying to freak anyone out. I just posted because it's little things like that you would never think about. This board is about sharing all information pertaining to the persuit of happiness in BA.
Getready1, I think in Buenos Aires there is a good chance you'll find older, more mature women. Don't hesitate to ask any girls you see if they have any friends that are older. Many of these girls know other girls. Many of the older ones automatically assume no one wants older women. They think they can't compete with the young hotties. No need to think guys will jump on you for asking. Different strokes for different folks. Go to: www.area-vip.com.ar I believe that Sofia on that site is older. (she also has a ton of names on Platynum). Also, not sure if "Clara" on platynum is your type but she is also older and may suit your needs.
I recommend you email the Webmistress, Adriana of Platynum and Escorts-argentina.com. As Moondog pointed out, she is a wonderful person. I can't remember her personal email but the email from Platynum.com.ar is: platycomment01@fibertel.com.ar Just tell her what you are looking for and I'm sure she can refer lots of girls that will suit your needs.
Good luck.
JamesBond69
09-23-02, 23:22
>For example: john.doe@ibm.com
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I think the chica who seduces john.doc@imf.com will be the next Evita Peron:-)
Chill out all that critic mundane airfare and accomdations posts!
The state of the imfamous Argentine board right now is that no one is reporting from the front, which are the most interesting reports of all. The board needs to hear of Ground action! Trench warfare! but alas this is not forthcoming.
Everyone is planning on their next sexation...
Information in planning has value. Be patient.
Bond, James Bond 69
Saint: Re: Identity - Many hotels will tell the chica the name under which you are registered. Some hotels also require that the chica know your name and room no: before they let her up.
I travel on business all the time, yet my tags never have my business card - They have My Complex Manager's address - I figure that when I'm on the road, worst situation the luggage will reach the bldg. super, and he'll hold it for me.
I guess I have been lucky with EZE, most chicas I met, and a couple who came to visit me here in EU, were just sweethearts. Also given the fact that for some it was a side/second job :)
Getready1: Try Marina Christina in platynum.com.ar, I gather she is around the age group you want.
getreadyone: I have met the chica citydude mentions. She is a delightful person. Another suggestion for women over 40: There is a club on Reconquista street across the street from Cutty Sark that specializes in "women of a certain age.".....I think the name is Verde, but I am not certain. I was on my way there once, but as I passed by Cutty Sark my now Favorita was sitting at a window side table and smiled at me.....I turned, entered Cutty Sark and started a one year plus and counting encounter with a nena(baby) instead of a vieja (older woman)....
OutoftheGame
09-24-02, 06:27
To all true posters and you know who you are. I woul like to take a momment here and thank you for what you have provided us with here. Its seems some of you are feeling a little used right now and ready to leave us for your own little "country club". I myself am sorry I haven't had the honor of visiting BA yet but plan on it next year. And the only reason I'm going there is due to the input I've read on this board and in the archives. So I feel I have no right to ask dumb questions on where the hottiest girls are or is it safe etc...all the information one needs is in previous posts. But I do enjoy the current posts and would be at a loss if I could not come home and enjoy the readings of the last news on BA. As they say "Don't let a few bad apples spoil the bunch". And if that doesn't work lets look at this in a patriotic way, and for our Euro viewers please don't be offened. Back when our forefathers decided to tell the King and Queen to kiss of they did so because they did not beleive in a cast society yet that all men where created equal. So if you where the son of a General or the son of the guy that whiped the Generals butt you both had the same chance and oppurtunities to become President of the United States. Yes I know it is a load of crap but I know in Jackson's heart when he started this site and decided to make it free he had the same patriotic feelings. He wasn't looking to make a buck or two, just a place where a guy that makes 6 figures a year could tell a guy that makes minum wage where to get the best girls at and at a good price. So I'm asking Jackson and the others not to go out and buy your own little castle and shune the rest of us out, yet keep your doors open and allow us in and by doing so I guarantee you castle be become the grandest of them all.
And in response to exon's thought that we are going to ruin BA....Think about Las Vegas and how many strip clubs it has there and more getting built all the time and in all of these clubs are beutiful women, it's called supply and demand. And as Saint has pointed out before if more of us don't go there then the ladies are just going to go to Cancun or some other area where they can make money. So we must get out in force and visit BA as much as we can so the girls down there can tell there friends who will tell more friends and it shall be paradise.
P.S. Jackson if you still decide to do your private group um.....DO you by any chance accept bribes?
drgn....good points....I have made an error or two in my day....usually after too much to drink.....so if you date a certain chica from Cutty Sark and she shows you fotos of herself doing it doggie style with slightly overweight older gentleman, do me a favor...grab the foto and rip it to shreds.....ps....if she ever posts it to the net I will claim it is a fake foto....my head pasted on someone else's body.....
Ezy, that brings me to a big rule…no photo's, ever. I was in a short stay hotel in Recoleta with my favorite twosome when one pulls out a camera to start taking nude photos. I practically freaked! Why? Because I was taught years ago to be a "ghost" and photos that connect you with a time and place, no matter how seemingly inconsequential, can destroy some well-laid groundwork.
Citydude, you can go one step farther by using the address of a friend in another city (preferably one NOT connected to you formally like a relative, coworker, neighborhood buddy, college roommate, etc.) It's for emergency purposes so who cares about the distance.
Guys, it IS possible to thoroughly "sanitize" your belongings so that only the most committed searcher will turn up anything (e.g. really interested government agency). I maintain several bank, brokerage and credit card accounts. Some of them are only used when traveling, and when I travel they're the ONLY ones I use. BTW, the amounts are minimized to lower the risk of a potential loss and the addresses have nothing to do with where I actually live. All deposits or credit card payments are made via postal money order or cashiers check from a random bank purchased by a friend. To this day, my closest friends and family still laugh about what they don't know about me (no more than 20 % of the total puzzle in any one place; enough to help you in an emergency but not enough to wreak havoc if things get ugly.)
This may seem like overkill/paranoia to some of you, but the fact is there's enough information in the average person's trash to seriously f--- with their life. And as your income goes up, so does the potential for trouble, unless effective countermeasures are put in place. Jeez, I've already said too much :-)
Drgn
P.S. "Trouble" could be something as simple as someone trying to take some of your hard earned assets through a frivolous lawsuit, or a psycho ex-girlfriend deciding to "get even" and sue for palimony, or cyber thieves choosing to "borrow" your identity for a little while. The easiest way to avoid enemy fire is don't look like an f---ing target!
American has lowered it's rate again. The Nov 4 to Nov 14 roundtrip rate from MIA to BA is now 345.90 which includes all taxes and fees. I paid 375.50 a few days ago. Great rate. Oh the debauchery!!!!!
Drgn,
Wow. Some good tips. I had no idea my post would bring out such a response. I agree with you but I guess I'm not overly worried about it like you but I agree that you gotta be careful.
P.S.
Drgn. I hear you're a pretty good singer. (Move over Lenny Kravitz!)
While were on the subject of privacy and anonymity I have been told by more than one person that one of few email accounts that is unbreakable (encryption) and untraceable is an account with hushmail.com. Anybody have any info on this?
Oh, no! Jackson, please don't let a few dopes ruin the day. I just got back from BA, and owe all of you frequent posters a big debt. How about just zapping the jerks?
Unfortunately, my visit was mostly for business, so my playing was substantially limited. When you have a 9am meeting, you want to be relatively sober and odor-free. This meant I couldn't hit the clubs, but had to count on internet chicas, a few of the daytime bars, and one cat house.
Previous posts were correct--if you want to contact an internet chica, take four or five names/numbers for every one you expect to meet. Most had voice-mail, and many never returned the calls. On this issue, I felt screwed because I had to wait around in the hotel for the call-backs, and that limited my time for walking around, shopping, eating, etc. For future reference, is it possible to rent a cellphone for a week or two? Oh, and there's a chica at sensualbaires who uses a cover picture from Playboy as her ad...don't go there; the picture must have been taken 15 years and 40 pounds ago! Regrettably, (or fortunately!) I don't remember her name. Just don't go there!
Thanks to Tio Otto, I visited the Colmenga Spa several times--got steamed, showered, massaged, manicured, pedicured, etc, etc. for about $40 US. In fact, if you have to check out of your hotel in the early afternoon before an evening flight out of BA, the Colemenga is a great place to spend the afternoon. And as Tio Otto said, they always manage to tickle your scrotum about 45 minutes into the massage and ask if you want "relax completo manual," which I don't think needs any translation. I declined, wanting to save my contributions for a "non-manual" experience. They weren't bummed by the turndown.
I dropped into the Orleans a number of times. My impression was that there were fewer chicas then in the past. I would guess that chicas in the Orleans and similar places have counted on local clients in the past, where the clubs cater more to the tourist community. I imagine that the local business is way off with the economy, and that the Orleans, et al, no longer produce well for the chicas. Pity, as this is one of the few day time possibilities.
The one place I went to on several occasions was the cathouse on French. Very nice. Good quality chicas, quiet atmosphere, discretion seemed to rule. There have to be many more places like the place on French. Does anybody have addresses, or, more importantly, phone numbers. I'm going back to BA in October (rats! still a business trip) and will report on the current status of any places posters might recommend. When I have my schedule, I'll post the dates and a contact e-mail--I'm fluent in Spanish (Porteño accent), so I could help a speechless gringo. Besides, it's more fun that way.
Thank you, Saint, you really are a saint. Also thank you to ezy and citydude.
Originally posted by leo
hey rob_roy5 - post here if you will be in b.a. oct17-21 and want to meet up... staying at art suites again...
Hey Leo, I will be in BA from the 26th of October to the 3rd of November so .... no chance we can meet up ..... but everybody is coming to BA around that time is very welcome to contact me and meet up .... I am Italian, 28yrs old, flying from Europe (got a great deal with Lufthansa, Dublin-Frankfurt-BA-Frankfurt-Dublin for 632 Euros, almost the same in USD) speak Spanish very well and can't wait to be in BA for the first time ....
Cya, Ro
rob_roy5,
Thanks for the mention yesterday, it's always a pleasure to help people not too familiar with my favorite place on earth! I've been to BA three out of the last four years and am planning on trying to get there again for a quick trip sometime in November.
As for the indiscretion of these chicas, I can attest to that from one of my ex-Argentinean chicas who was very indiscreet during a week of fun last year when I flew her to the states and put her up in a local hotel. She left faxes from other amigos lying around with their names and phone numbers on them and she used to talk enough about some of her other amigos that I know what companies a few of them work for as well as some of their first and last names. Lastly, at least one of the Platynum girls I've been with here in the states has mentioned the name of at least one of the boardmembers here by boardmember's name and spoke of his occupation(no, don't ask who because I'm not going to mention his boardmember's name, will only note that this particular gentleman knows BA VERY well).
I sometimes wonder how many other hobbyists know my first and last name and the name of my company through the same means that I know some things about some of the other hobbyists. Just goes to show you how much discretion we'll sacrifice to be in the the lust and company of some of these incredibly foxy ladies. So in conclusion, I wholeheartedly agree with whoever brought up the subject of being carefull with disclosing too much info to these girls but also I'll NEVER let this deter me from going down there whenever I can and getting my FILL. DownBA
JamesBond69
09-24-02, 22:44
I have to laugh at this "identity" thead, since it's so true.
You have wide-eyed providers, young and not exacly members of the power elite, and they are sometimes exposed from anything to Italian sex tourist plumbers to American CEO's of major corporations....
will they mention to their families, friends, the mafioso/milatary/ possilby kidnappers/blackmailers. Some will, some won't.
It's documentated.:Monica Lewinsky told at least six people of her affair with Bill Clinton, including her mother, her "friends" like Linda Trippe, etc.
Be discreet. This is about sensual pleasure, not relationships, although they might develop over time with trust, it's certainly not something to be assumed
As oldguy confirmed, you definitely need to print out lots of girls from the internet. Bring your print outs (yes, print them out. I don't care if you have your computer, it's still more conveneint to just go through your stack of papers. It will save valuable time). Plus, you can scribble notes on the piece of paper easily.
Don't make the same mistake as him though. If you don't get through to the girl you can leave a message. Some will call you back some won't. But after you leave the message don't wait around for her to call back. Move on to your next girl. If the other girl calls back just schedule with her later during that day/night or later in your stay.
BA is definitely a city where a cellphone comes in handy. But if you don't speak any spanish it might not be too valuable as many of the chicas don't speak any spanish. But they they enough for you to get your point across (i.e. your address, the time, the amount of money, etc.). Some hotels rent cellphones, some don't.
Stick with the well reviewed internet sites. I can't tell you how many guys I know that had the bait and switch with sites like sensualbaires and other sites.
Lastly, if you guys come across interesting places post them. That is how the next guy finds out. Places like Colmegna prove it. I originally came across that site by chance doing a search on the web before my first trip. I know many dudes have been there since and had a good time.
As posted countless times... no one is gonna ruin BA. Yeah, there are more Americans going down but not so many that it's going to change things. I know some chicas that moved to neighboring countries because there was not enough money in the chica business in Buenos Aires (lots and lots and lots of competition). Some have started to come back because tourism is picking up some. Any one that has taken economics classes in college can tell you there has to be an equalibrium of supply and demand to bring out the best talent.
P.S. NEVER, NEVER, NEVER mention this board to any chicas. I'm not sure DownBA how you can assume that the guy is the same dude as a user of this board but I guess anything is possible with these chicas. The reason of a "private" board isn't to be some sort of 'country club'. It's for security and a better outlet to share information with guys that are trusted, that actually go down to BA and will benefit the most from the information. It's also a good way to privately share things like photos, more discreet information about the girls, etc.
I've been a part of private groups and private boards for years. They are great!
Saint, there's no assuming going on at all here, one of the platynum girls told me she knew one of the boardmembers and mentioned his name by the name he uses on the board. I know this may be a rude awakening but I'm not trying to ruffle any feathers here...I'm just trying to agree with those who mentioned a lack of discretion on the part of some of these girls and illustrate the point without mentioning the name of the chica or the boardmember.
As for cell phones in BA I have to tell you fellas thinking of getting one that it might be great for getting calls from the chicas but as for making them, don't ever forget that one of BA's WELL established businesses is these "locutorios" or "telefonicas" as they're called....phone call centers that are practically as abundant as the awesome "parilla al carbon" places that you see. These places give you your own private "cabina" as they're called, total privacy and the calls are dirt cheap due to the competion. If you're doing legitimate business down in BA as I do between sheet wrestling sessions, these "cabinas" also have a nice tabletop to write and work on. I found them indispensable while I was miles away from my hotel and had a half dozen phone calls to make before I got back to the hotel.
While I'm mentioning these places, this is where you want to go to call home too since their international rates are dirt cheap too. All you have to do is walk in and tell the most likely VERY cute chica at the counter "cabina por favor" and she'll hand you a card with a number on it that corresponds to the booth number you're being assigned. These places come complete with yellow and white pages for practically any area in Argentina and you can also plug your laptop in if you want to check your emails or surf the internet for chicas. You pay the cutie at the counter on your way out so you never have to drop coins in as you do while you're standing at the corner street phone.
So personally I think the cell phone might be a dispensable luxury with all these thousands, literally thousands of phone booths all around la Capital Federal. Happy calling and happy hunting fellas, DownBA
Well I have been away for a little while. I was a light poster on the older forum.
Well it brings no better joy to my life that I will be back in Argentina, Brazil, and Chile from November until February. Especially Argentina, as there is no argument that Argentina’s women are the best in the world. That goes for looks, personality, and oh yes, never had a problem with getting it up with these angels, even if I had a little to many Cuba Libra’s. :)
When I went to BA, in the past I always ended up at Recoleta. I never went to Playwoman or Blacks. But I did go to Affaire, and a place right next to it. What was the name of that bar, hmmm? Anyway I never really liked those bars, as I always seemed to get attacked at the door.
What I usually did was go to the Sports Bar on Recoleta, and try to pick up a local, which was not that difficult. If I didn't score there, I would usually end up at Newport pub. The paradox there was I usually took home a Brazilian.
When I go back I definitely will have to try to visit more places., like Blacks, and Playwoman.
Has anybody tried the big discos, and tried with the non pros?
All,
I will be in Buenos Aires @ the Claridge for 4 days next week, please recommend termas or programa clubs, outcall girls that are highly recommended. Thanks a bunch.
Chuponalgas
09-25-02, 01:02
AIRFARE TIP: Some good “hidden” fares on Travelocity for EZE (Buenos Aires). Go to www.travelocity.com, and enter your home city in the FROM line, EZE in the TO line. DO NOT enter dates, click on "MY DATES ARE FLEXIBLE”, then fiddle around with the available dates. They make this a little difficult because they don’t want biz travelers using it. Currently getting good availability for many dates from 11/2002 to 6/2003, , on several airlines for $498 RT from LAX, $280RT from Miami, etc. I use the “farewatcher” feature to keep me up on the latest hidden fares. Caught a $208 RT fare to Costa Rica in February that was only on for four hours, may have been a mistake, but they honored it.
saint
Your point about private groups has merit. I wanted to pass on some detail regarding chicas at the place on French, but don't feel I can. At least one of them reads the forum and commented told me personal details (which I didn't want) about the identity of one of the posters. I guess the issue is, how do you go private without locking out other who may be new, but potentially valuable contributors? Like me, for instance!
Oldguy,
Your post along with DownBA's post make me want a private forum even more. The kind where passwords are needed to read the site. The ONLY way a chica would know about the true identity of a member is IF he told her that he was "JOHNDOE" or whatever his screen name is on the board.
I have NO clue why a member would want to do that. What a moron! The other thing is maybe a chica is just making it up. Some of those girls are like onions. Trust me. Layers and layers and layers of LIES. So don't believe everything you hear from those chicas.
The other thing is...some guys feel comfortable giving their first names and what they do for a living. If you have a common first name like John and you tell them you are a doctor. I'm not sure you have a lot to worry about. Lot's of doctors named John. I give chicas my first real name. If they ask me what I do I usually just tell them some vague description. Unless your first name is unique like "Seven" or something unique I wouldn't sweat it too much.
And guys...use your heads. Please.
Michael1967
09-25-02, 15:49
Hi. I'm taking a trip down south in the next couple of weeks and I'm torn between Honduras, where I can get a cheap hotel that allows me to have "guests" anytime without being monitored or having to pay or BA. In Honduras I pay a whopping $18 a night for this luxury, I'm willing to pay more in Argentina, but not much maybe $30-40 night. Are there good hotels in BA that offer what I'm looking for? What are the names and rates? I'm buying my ticket on Friday and leaving on 10/7, so please respond quickly. Any good cities or towns outside of BA would be great to know about too.
Thanks.
Michael
JamesBond69
09-25-02, 16:00
[QUOTE]Originally posted by michael1967
[i]Hi. I'm taking a trip down south in the next couple of weeks and I'm torn between Honduras, where I can get a cheap hotel that allows me to have "guests" anytime without being monitored or having to pay or BA. In Honduras I pay a whopping $18 a night for this luxury, I'm willing to pay more in Argentina, but not much maybe $30-40 night.
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There are plenty of hotels in that category. Read the Buenos Aires Hotel section for info.
Hi,
This is my first post in WSG. I have been a reader for months.
Thanks to all you guys who submitted great reports.
You guys have convinced me to take my first trip down to BA.
IMHO, I think that we need more specific information on
the girls. Such as pictures, personal observations, and contact
information. I have doubts that all these girls look exactly like in
their pictures and I don't like to waste time waiting for a girl
to show up at my apartment only to find her unattractive.
Anyway, I always take many pictures (and video) when I
travel abroad. (This is my first trip not related to business).
I know that these files would be too large to post on WSG,
but maybe we could start sharing this information through
email or whatever.
I will be in BA from 11/27 - 11/30 and will be going with a friend.
Between us, I think we will meet between 25 - 35 girls (because
some of the sessions will have multiple girls).
I will start making files for each girl, including pictures, cost
(before an after negotiations), personal observations on
personality & hygiene, etc.
Anyone, that wants these files can email me. I will be making
these files while I'm in BA. Also, if you guys have any photos or
info on the girls in South America, I would appreciate it so I can
start narrowing down my selections now.
Also, does anyone know how to get the best exchange rate for
Argentine Pesos ? I saw that ONDA.com is offering 3.45.
Thanks again for the great posts,
Miami (djjmiami@yahoo.com)
Miami....re: exchange....wait until you get to Buenos Aires to exchange money. You will receive a much better rate. There is an exchange booth in the luggage area before you clear customs, and a bank in the main terminal as you leave the customs/immigration area. The rate on the free market in Buenos Aires should be about 3.6 to one....slightly less in the airport....so I usually exchange a small amount at the airport and wait until I am checked into my hotel, then venture out to a casa del cambio to exchange more....
re:chicas....sounds like you will be very busy.....that's good...you will help the poor struggling economy of Argentina.....
santaclaus
09-25-02, 18:36
Hello Everyone,
I’ve been a long time lurker of this board. I have come to appreciate everyone’s contributions and would like to contribute myself. I have found a way to get the best rates out of YAHOO.com travel section.
Go to http://yahoo.com and select the following links.
-travel
-destination
-south America
-Argentina
-Flights
-My dates are flexible. Show me the lowest fares available
click the search button
Hope this helps.
Santa
Miami,
There are other website if you're looking for pictures. I'll email you of a few sites. I stopped sending out pictures do to the sheer numbers of emails asking for them. I also will not send out a girl's picture anymore or post it if she asks me not to.
Ezy is right. Just wait till you get there. My first trip I exchanged money here and got raped. NO need to. Just do it there.
Also, Miami. I do think you're being a little unrealistic in expecting to do no legwork of your own. You can't expect to have no problems at all. Trust me, even if someone told you all you wanted to know you gotta expect things to be different. The other thing that comes into play ALWAYS is YMMV (you're mileage may vary). Even if one girl offered some dude a BBBJ doesn't mean you're gonna get one. Or a girl that may deep kiss Ezy (because he's such a stud) doesn't mean she will kiss you.
I rarely post detailed information...mostly out of respect for the girl. Remember that the internet lasts forever..so whatever you're posting is out there for all to read. Good luck. I know you'll love it.
Thanks a lot EZY & Saint ..
To Saint:
I respect what you're saying about the girl's privacy, but I think
it is also in the girl's interest to have her info posted because
I'm sure that sometimes these girls get sent back because
the customer expected something different from what they saw
in the web-site.
If I saw her completely (face, legs, breasts, ass, and stomach),
then I know that at least I won't have to send her back based on
her appearance.
Also, someone looking at the file can be more sure about what
he is getting and may feel more comfortable ordering a girl
off these lists.
I only have time to stay in BA for 4 days.
I will always be willing to try new girls off of Platynum and other
sites, but there are so many that I would like to at least eliminate
the ones I know I have no interest in.
I do not hesitate to send back girls(without taxi) that put fake or
old photos on web-sites or feel that they should be setting the
rules on what we do.
I think that a lot of guy get pushed around by these girls and
these girls become braver and braver with customers.
Let's be realistic. We have the money and we are the customer
so we have all the control. If we don't take shit from these girls
they will start obeying .. What else are they going to do, get real
jobs ??
I also agree with you that different guys can't expect the same
type of service. But, I sincerely believe that if a girl has done
something once, she can be convinced into doing it again.
Also, I think every girl has a basic personality. Some are straight
out there for the money and think of us suckers.
Others are more friendly, and even though they are they are
there for the money, they don't make it obvious.
I don't plan to do indepth personality analysis, but I think it
would be good to know, if she is going to be cold about sex,
or more accomadating..
Sorry about rambling on ..
Thanks again.
Miami
Miami,
In a word…relax. After reading that post, it's apparent that your "frame" for this whole experience is one of "its us versus them". And if you truly ARE from Miami, (and not well heeled with a perfect body), I can fully understand the source of that set of expectations. My recommendation is that you go back to May 2002 and start reading ALL of the longer travel reports. We've posted a lot of information about our actual experiences. What you'll find when you do that is a large disconnect between those reports and the "negative frame" you seem to have already placed around your upcoming adventure in beautiful BsAs.
I don't know you. I know nothing about your level of skill with women inside or outside "the hobby". But, what I do know is that people have a tendency to find what they're looking for. So, if you want it to be a struggle, if you want to spend your time proving that you have the money and the control, if you want to invest energy in "not taking shit from these girls and making them obey", then you certainly have that option and you'll have the kind of experience that matches THAT particular set of beliefs. If, however, you were to READ THOSE POSTS and align your attitude with what's presented in those posts, you'll find yourself having a much better adventure. It's totally up to you.
Drgn
Ferolga777
09-25-02, 22:05
I have found that being nice to the girls. Treating them as a girlfriend, that is, joking around with them, opening doors for them, making it look like I picked her up a regular bar, offering them chocolates and tea and good dinners and great breakfasts, etc ..., gets them in a better mood.
From conversations with these girls I have found that many of them are unhappy that a series of circumstances has led them to become "comfort women." These girls are held in contempt by society, they are "putas" in the eyes of everyone.
Also there's a lot of abuse that a lot of these girls get-- from the club owners, from the customers, from the other girls-- therefore, oftentimes, they are thankful when someone treats them nicely.
I've had girls that really went the distance with me and told me that the reason that they were so acrobatic with me was because I was sweet to them and that if they didn't like the customer they would just lie there and wait for him to stop humping.
I like to create a fiction of civility and courtship. I want my dick teased and pleased, and if being extra nice gets the job done, so be it.
Damn Drgn. I already liked your "online persona" from your posts while you were in BA but even more after reading your response to Miami. Guys, attitude guys a long way down in Buenos Aires and everywhere else in the world.
Some other things to consider. If your a dick with a girl from one of the clubs don't think you won't be known as a dick with the other girls. These girls talk about EVERYTHING with eachother. It would blow your mind. They talk about how much you paid them, your personality, if you're good in bed. Some of you might not care but don't expect to get great service with other girls later on in the club if right out of the gate they all think you're a dick.
I've never had an "us vs. them" attitude. For the guys that are only going down 4 days. Yeah, your time is valuable. Hell, everyone's time is valuable. I don't care if you're an executive making $200,000+ / year or a blue coller worker making $35,000 a year. I know there are a lot of post to go through. Many of us (namely me) post too often to this board. I promise I'll quit. It always takes a few weeks for me to come off of the "BA high". But this board to many of us has become kind of a community.
I've met many of you in person, I have lunch with one member every week since meeting him, talked to several on the phone, emailed with several (some around the world). You all are a bunch of great gentleman! OK..I'll stop. I plan on being in BA at least two maybe 3 more times before the year is up. I know a ton that are going down in October and November.
I'd also love to read from guys that might have been disappointed with BA. What didn't you like? So far, every guy I've emailed with after going since May (about 25+) has loved it! That should tell you something.
P.S. You should know that your actions are not without consequences. I know of one chica who was with a guy last week. He was doing an all nighter. The dude was staying at the Alvear Palace. Anyway, while she was sleeping the guy tried slipping his 'willy' into her unprotected. Not cool..... When she woke up she was so pissed she made a scene. She starts yelling and screaming and the hotel management comes up. For those that haven't stayed in the Alvear Palace...this place is majestic. I'm sure the dude was embarrassed to no end.
Ferolga777
09-26-02, 01:38
As far as a bad experience. One night I went to Sodoma. I start talking to this girl in a bodysuit. She looked hotter than boiling oil. So I start buying her the requisite drinks and when I say all right let's go. She starts coming up with excuses. That she wanted to stay a bit longer and dance with me. So we danced, and, a little while later I tell that I want her to come with me and I want to know how much.
She first says 150 pesos. I say agree to that price. She says, "No, wait. 200 pesos." I say, "Fine." She says, "250 pesos." I say, "That's good, too." Then she flakes out and starts begging me to buy her another drink and that when she finishes the next drink she will go with me. I then realize that she won't be coming with me no matter how many drinks I buy her.
So, I told her, "Look. Clearly you don't like it here and you don't like what you do. And you don't like me. So, let's call it off. My bad. I should have known from the way you were sitting by yourself staring at the wall."
She thanked me and kissed me on the cheek and said she was sorry. That was my first and last time in Sodoma.
Saint,
Thanks for the kind words. Just doing my part for the board.
One more comment about the Alvear Palace story. You'd be surprised at the number of women who OFFER to do the deed unprotected when you make them feel the way they want to feel. (Not that I recommend such activity; it's just a positive statement about the way the evening is going!)
There is a difference between a "sex worker" and a "woman who does sex work". One of the greatest gifts you can give the second is to help her forget what she does for a living. And, when you're able to effectively do that, you both cross a dividing line where it stops being YOUR fantasy and starts becoming HERS. She's able to mentally enter a place where there are no smoky bars with loud music, no ugly/smell/grossly overweight guys pumping away on her, no guys treating her like shit just because they have money.
When it's HER fantasy, she becomes the one that doesn't want it to end. She becomes the one that doesn't want to talk about money. She becomes the one who RIPS OFF THE CONDOM and tries to mount you unprotected while French kissing you passionately. Because for that moment, however long it lasts, you cease being her "client" and become her "lover". And as I mentioned in a previous post, there are certain rules and limitations that apply with a "client". When you're her "lover" those rules and limitations simply vanish…
Women, in general, tend to be bottomless pits of low self-esteem. For a woman who does sex work, you can multiply that feeling a hundredfold! So, how do think she'll respond when you come along and actually make her feel good about herself as a woman? Hmmm….
P.S. Life becomes REALLY interesting when you learn to do this with women outside the hobby J.
Hi Drgn,
I understand what you are saying.
I really didn't want to make it out as a "us vs them" although
I understand how it came off that way.
I was just trying to say that some of these girls have very
negative attitude towards guys who want to pay them for a
good time even though that is there job.
Maybe it is because I am younger and am not used these types
of girls with attitudes (when I'm paying them good money).
I noticed that some of these types of hardened girls try to get
pushy with everything including how much they should receive
and how the session should go. But after I tell them, "Look, I'm
paying and I should decide how the session goes', they usually
reduce the attitude and are more flexible.
Anyway, IMHO.
I know that all girls are not like this and there are many
sweathearts out there. I treat these girls very well an usually
end up hanging out with them during their off time.
You probably know a bunch down in BA, so believe me, I'm
not going down there to abuse the girls, but if I run into one
with a big attitude I'm going to do my best to put her in her
place.
I am planning to go out there and have a great time too,
but I am nervous about getting screwed by these web-sites.
I've already read all the reports in the BA section, and saw
that people are talking to the WebMaster to verify if the pictures
are accurate. That's why I want to help out everyone by getting
plenty of pictures and info so everyone can choose easier.
Sorry if I upset you ..
I'll send you all pics and info when I get back..
Miami
well, this is why we love b.a. so much. big generalization, but the attitude/girl you describe is more typical with an e. european or even american. in b.a., you'll find most the girls, including the web sites (assuming you stick to the 3 or so "approved/endorsed" ones - see past posts), are not that way. they are sweet, provide gfe, and will expect you to have your way (as appropriate).
hey i live in south beach, and i'm quite young, so i know where you're coming from (regarding woman, etc). rest easy, you won't be dissapointed, and since you've read the past posts you've probably got enough info to have a great time.
This is my first post on the forum. While searching for information to use for a vacation trip I came across the forum and it provided me with all the information I needed to decide on BA as my destination. To satisfy my curiosity I had to read all the 2002 posts and some of the older posts. With all the knowledge I had gained organized on a few pages and with a lot of printed material of chicas from several websites I arrived in BA for a twelve day stay around the labor day weekend. Since I'm not a night owl i had decided that girls from websites were the best entertainment for me. I probably had spent too much time on the forum and chica websites as the great look and feel of BA came as a pleasant surprise.
I should mention that my language skills consisted of being able to say "I don't speak Spanish I speak English. A few additional phrases that I thought may be helpful I also had tried to remember. You might think that I'm a little crazy in thinking I could call chicas on the phone without language skills but the thought never crossed my mind as I had a long list of girls who spoke English or "basic English". Well, their "basic English" was only slightly more advanced than my non-existant Spanish. Still, after having constructed a little monologue I was having chicas show up on the appointed times after having negotiated a price. I stayed in an apartment and initially the phone didn't allow me to call cell phones as the charges were reversed. The purchase of a Telecom Global phone card solved that problem. Pressing the #sign after the greeting allowed me to follow directions in English.
The chicas were nice pleasant girls without any attitude. As a rule I didn't see a need to negotiate for a low price as I was quoted a low of 80 pesos/hr and a high of 200 pesos/1.5 hr. I'll post another message with names and quoted prices for the benefit of those who are confused about the price structure.
To all those who have BA on their radar screen and are concerned about going I recommend you take the leap. If a 50+ year old guy without language skills can have a great time you can.
To those who posted messages in the past a big thank you. Your information helped make my stay pleasant and easy. Thanks to you all.
I also posted this in the "General Section" as a response to some dude that was crying about receiving some Provencial money. Guys, as I've posted before, make sure you're getting Federal Notes (Will say Banco Central de Republica Argentina).
It's YOUR responsibility to check your change when getting money converted. Also, when getting change from stores. I've never had any problem with this but I know a few dudes that got some notes that were not Federal notes.
For those of you that are kind of slow on the uptake of processing info.... I've made a visual aid for you at the site below. Notice in picture number 6/6. Their peso note is the same size as our US Dollar. Also, note the security measures in their peso's just like our newer bills. They also have a foil strip in them that will glow under a black light. The casa de cambia near Etoile always shines the black light when giving change so you can see it. Also note that many exchange places will give you an even better rate of exchange if you're exchanging more than $500 US at a time.
http://www.shutterfly.com/osi.jsp?i=67b0de21b30b3f0e848d
Good luck.
Don't say I never did anything for you.
santaclaus
09-26-02, 23:20
CJS-
Glad to know that a fellow like you was able to wing it, hardly knowing how to speak Spanish. It gives me hope.
Would like to know which websites you’ve used. If you’ve deviated from the standard platynum.ar, or area-vip.
The chicas at chicas-top websites have mighty fine women, and I was wondering if you’ve ever used their service.
SC
Saint,
Great job.
I hope your not trying to get any money out of us for ordering any of the images. :)
But Seriously, another informative post from one of the Forums most consistent collobrators. Second to only Jackson of course.
What is everybody's favorite disco amateur pussy spots? Like maybe the top three or so? Not really referring to Blacks or playwoman as those are more structured
OK Turkeys. I'm in a good mood so I decided to share a few pictures but I'm blocking out the faces to protect the "innocent' (and guilty..ha, ha). I'm getting way too much email asking for pictures.
I'll be very busy the next few months with work. Saint has to work hard to pay for future upcoming trips to Buenos Aires this year. (2 possibly 3).
Please don't ask me for where these girls work, contact info, etc. I just posted to give you an idea what's out there. All the chicas are from clubs or internet sites. This is only a sample of the girls I saw. I took all of these pictures personally. I have yet to have a bad session in BA but keep in mind I've yet to have a bad session with any escort. I seem to have good luck with chicas in and out of the hobby.
Notice in some of the pictures the funky wall paper. That was my room at the Etoile. The wallpaper was very outdated and whacky. It kind of gave me a headache after a while. The Diplomatic Suites have better decor and are bigger. Compare it with the nice decor of the Art Suites.
P.S. I have no agenda other than helping you guys. Like I said, I'll be busy the next few months so if you email me and I don't respond I'm not ignoring you...just gotta make some money.
Oh yeah, before I forget.... I'd stay clear of that chicas-top website that dude mentioned. My friend called a girl from that site. I told him she was too good to be true. Well...I was right. Some girl that was NOT the girl in the picture showed up. The girl tried argueing with him so he gets out his print out and starts showing her that is NOT her. She admits it. I'm not even sure if he gave her any money to leave. My rule of thumb is if the girl that shows up is the girl in the picture and you aren't happy with her for some reason... give her some pesos for coming out. REMEMBER, those websites have airbrushed photos for the most part. If the girl is NOT the girl in the website I don't think you have to feel obligated to pay anything. Personally I probably would throw her a few pesos just to avoid a scene and get rid of her. Use your judgement.
Also, go to BA...don't go to BA. I could care less. Just be happy wherever you are, take time to smell the roses, be good to people and smile. Life is good.
Godfather, nice photos. Thanks
Miami,
The only website in BA that is 100% wysiwyg is:
www.escorts-argentina.com
Buenos Aires, Sao Paulo or Rio?
Howdy. I usually frequent to Seoul, NYC and Toronto forums, but I've been reading this and the Brazilian forums with great interest the last few months. Anyways, I'm thinking of going to Latin America for a vacation before the year's end. My preference was Sao Paulo and/or Rio, but after reading this board and hearing about Argentina from a few other people, BA has come in the running. From what I gather, the city has become a giant brothel now in advent of the economic crisis and it would be absolutely criminal for one to miss out on this opportunity at these prices. Furthermore, they seem to have really good deals on flights to BA out of JFK.
I know more about Brazil than Argentina. Brazil’s economy seems a bit more stable, but I have heard too many horror stories about crime in that country -- then again, these have been buttressed by the plentiful stories about sex.
I guess I’m asking you guys to make a case for BA. I’ve heard it’s like Paris, Milan and Madrid. Quite frankly, I’m not a huge fan of any of those cities, but I would hope that BA has a special appeal to make it better and more worth while than those three cities I mentioned above.
Also, I have a few questions about Argentina in general. Is Argentina really as snobby as they say? Some black friends of mine went and hated it they thought the people there were racist. How is it in terms of stability, safety, sex, etc.? How does it compare to Brazil in those regards? What can you guys tell me about Sao Paulo and Rio? And what makes BA better than those cities? Convince me to come!
If you want, you can e-mail me at cykotronic718@yahoo.com
Fred Flintstone
09-27-02, 06:00
Stud_Lee:
I have never posted to the BA board, or been there for that matter, but, much like you, have read this board with great enthusiasm and am locking down a trip before year's end. I sincerely applaud the efforts of people like Saint, drgn, Otto, jamesbond, hulk, starfe, etc. for their efforts to inform others of the fun-filled opportunities available in BA--we should all be extremely thankful to them and respect their already significant contributions. Anyway, and no offense intended here, I don't think it is the responsibility of others on this board to convince you as to the merits of BA vs. Rio vs. SP vs. whatever. All of the cities you mention have fairly active boards, with lots of great information, and thus should help you draw independent and fairly thorough conclusions. Others may disagree with me, and I will applaud their response and patience with your "sell me on BA" perspective, but one could perceive your post to be somewhat obnoxious. You may be better served asking more tightly defined questions that interest and/or concern you rather than keeping your questions/concerns entirely open-ended.
Fred
EZE_Amante
09-27-02, 06:05
stud_lee,
"Some black friends of mine went and hated it they thought the people there were racist."
I read this article awhile back that may explain a little of why your friends thought people there were racist:
http://travel.yahoo.com/t/destinations/south_america/argentina/buenos_aires/60895.html
EZE
Thoughts on racism in Argentina......
I have had some interesting conversations with my favorita on this topic. She tells me there is a practical reason why many chicas are reluctant to see black men as clients: Fear of HIV/AIDS.
Many chicas know that black men from Africa, Haiti, and the Dominican Republic have very high rates of infection. They are also quite aware that among Americanos black men are more likely to have HIV than are whites, hispanics, or Asians.
Chicas are also aware that men from certain parts of Asia have high rates of infection and are hesitant to date Asian men other than those from China or Japan.
EZE_amante,
That is such a good link and story. If you go back to the archives from my first trip you will see that I mentioned black's are few and far between in Buenos Aires just like the reporter mentioned.
I know some dudes that are black that go down there now. I think they will be quick to tell you that they truly are looks of amazement. The people down there might stare because it's a rarity. One guy I was hanging with (he can post and tell you the story if he wants) was in a restaurant. This guy is a young guy that is fairly tall. Well... as they were eating in a restaurant a little girl started staring at him and pointing. She was talking in Spanish and apparently said..."look grandpa...it's that guy from TV". The little girl thought he was a movie star or someone famous..
I hung out with this dude for a few days and I never noticed any 'racism'. In restaurants, in the boliches, out in public. I did ask my chica friends if girls have any hesitation about leaving with black dudes. She said the only hesitation most have is because their darker clients have umm...larger you know whats. Ha, ha. These girls pray that every client is hung like a fly.
Also, I read what Ezy posted about Asian dudes. I also hung with Asian dudes and man...if they have any hesitation I sure didn't see it. In fact, they were tagging the hotties on the trips I was on. As I posted before, no matter what your skin color, ethnicity, religion, age, etc. I think any guy could score a good time in Buenos Aires.
I agree 100% with Fred Flintstone. If one isn't sold on going to BA for it's own merits than so be it. When I decided on a location...I did all my research, read all the posts, and then decided. I'm going to Rio for a week in January after my BA trip. I will post a detailed comparison once i return.
Lastly, remember that I'm a rookie when it comes to BA. There are guys that have been there way more times, maybe seen more girls, been to more places. I'm just a guy that can type fast and likes to share information. I'm certainly NO expert on BA. I just love it.
Some words about "racism" in Argentina:
1) White Argentines exert more discrimination to mildly dark skinned people than to dark black people.
As in many South American countries (such as Colombia), in Argentina the descents from Europeans make up the upper social class, while the lower classes are made up of a mixture of native South American blood mixed with European blood and/or black blood. That said, there is more racism based on income and cultural isues than on skin color.
When a mildly dark skinned man strolls a rich neighborhood in Buenos Aires, he elicits the same level of fear and awareness than an African American in a white neighborhood of any major metropolitan city in the US. Many think that he is there to rob or harm someone.
Truly blacks are rare in Argentina, specially after the Yellow Fever epidemics in the 1870s that killed most of the black population in Buenos Aires. When people see an African American in the streets of BA, they react as the 2 girls in the article that EZE_amante brought.
2) There is some evidence that Argentine "Racism" has to do more with income than any other reason. Usually, the people who show the most contempt to mildly dark skinned ones are police and military officers who have the same skin color (white police officers are less obsessive about this issue). It seems that they project the subliminal message "You are as poor and insignificant as I, so I can do whatever I want to you" instead of "I hate race mixing".
3) As many other Latin American countries, in which history is recent and institutions are weak, local have to build an identity from shallow ideas. One of these is "Argentina is the most European of all the Latin American countries". So we may overplay this role a little bit. Of course, when the country is in tatters, these ideas lose importance.
Hope this helps,
Andres
Saint--great pics!
You really had a revolving harem down there! (That girl Marisol and Paola seem like gems.) The f-ing hotel must've really loved your act. Ha!
My pet obsession:
Just imagine what those lovely ladies would command in the USA! Not to mention how poor their attitudes would be!
Most of us on this board have dabbled with escorts in America and generally speaking--the expereices are wildly overpriced and flatout awful.
Since discovering the charms of Argentina, I have no inclination to use American escorts. I have been cured of that by the incredible chicas of Argentina.
Keep snapping those pics!
Thx for the pics, Saint. Great taste! Just curious how many are enhanced?
JamesBond69
09-27-02, 13:16
The Saints pics are great. Give you an idea of the quality down BA.
I rate Penelop Cruz a 10 and Barbara Bush a 1, so on the scale of 1-10 give the Saint harem an overall score of 7, with a couple of 5's and an 8 here and there.
Love to see a photo of a perfect 10, if anyone has one.
Bond, James Bond 69
Glad you gents approve. That is just a sampling of the girls I saw. Some didn't let me take pictures, some I chose not to post, and some I forgot to post. I just wanted to give you a sample of the real life pictures of girls you can expect to find in Buenos Aires.
If you can't tell...yeah I like breasts! Real, fake...makes no difference to me as long as they are nice. Let's see. In the pictures I posted only 3 of them I think had implants. Paola, Marisol, Celia. I did see several other chicas from the clubs and internet that had implants. Most were pretty good. As I mentioned before... Kudos to their surgeons. Gifted chaps!
I know two girls from Playwoman that are getting implants within the next two weeks. Cost is 5100 pesos or roughly $1400 US. So by all accounts much cheaper than the US prices.
Jamesbond. Yeah...that is pretty close to my judging criteria too. I might give it a little higher score but my taste might be different than yours. That's another thing you guys need to realize. I think Penelope Cruz is hot but I wouldn't give her a 10. When reading posts keep all this in mind. Some guys that see a girl they think is hot...may be a dog to me. But just see the type of girl you like. Pretty much all types down there. I'm more into blondes.
Jose Marcia
09-27-02, 15:13
Hey Saint or other fellows:
Call it a dumb question but how can I look at the those photos?? I do not see any photos here and if I go to the archives, all I see is from a few countries but not those that you posted. Thanks to all of you.
Saint: Great photos, but that wallpaper! Never mind the beds, I think Etoile is now off the menu. And I can guarantee that Sandy will be busy in November when I'm over for a month. BTW, anyone seen Lizzy of Platynum and Escorts-Argentina? Any reports welcome.
Jose Marcia: Just click on the link in Saint's post.
saint, enjoyed the pictures...you should see the smile on my face
octatron asks about the non-pro scene. since i know others are also interested, i'm step out of scope here and make some comments.
i frequent the non-pro spots as much as the well-mentioned places.
on my last trip in sep, i hit asia de cuba, one of the more trendy spots (restaurant & club), located in puerto madero. it was thursday night, supposedly the best night there, and we had vip access. i was way bummed. much too old crowd for me (next to none 20-30 year olds), and no hotties.
last november i hit bash, and while it had a fair crowd, i expected a lot more. later that night, we hit rivera este. it was perfect. tons of quantity with plenty of quality. the place is huge, so the crowd is huge. get there by 11:30 to avoid a monster queue.
another night we went to dinner in palermo hollywood. the section where there is a 4 blk strip or so of restaurants. i was not impressed. after, we went in the directtion of east and south (towards downtown but to driving right), into a section of town that most all mid-blks was all two-story old buildings (many abandoned) with bars on windows, but on each corner had 2-3 little bars (not clubs) with crowds spilling into the outdoors. there were young (20-to-under-thirty) girls everywhere.
i don't know the name of this neighborhood, but i'm sure someone will post a follow up. this is a great, low-key area in the non-winter.
buenos aires news was the bomb in it's day (over 4 yrs ago), but not anymore (imho). same for most of costanero spots other than rivera estes. ymmv.
hope it helps.
btw, i'll be there in mid-oct, and our crowd will be splitting 50/50 the pro & non-pro nights spots i'm anticipating. so any update on the non-pro spots will be appreciated.
Leo
Thanks for your info.
Saint,
Can we bribe you for the location for at least a couple of the girls?
:)
Saint,
Great photos. Beautiful women. You "Da Man".
Thank you for your excellent posts.
I'm looking at being in BA 12/16/ - 12/28
If anyone else is planning to be there I would like to hook up as I don't speak Spanish.
Gentlemen,
Here is my 2 cents on racism in BA. As a brown skinned guy (non chinese, non Japanese), I did not face any of it. I was walking around in the wee hours (though only in Recolette) - sometimes with a hot blonde. I did not encounter any problem with the cops either. I never had any problem with the chicas (Yabba will attest to this !). My honest conclusion - skin color should not deter you from going to BA.
Jackson,
I tried emailing you but the email got sent back as undeliverable. I heard that my amiga talked to you today. I'm sorry that she assumed we are friends and know one another. Last time I think she saw you eating with two dudes from the board (one of which I know well). She mistakenly thought we all know eachother. If she ever asks you how we know one another...you're a friend of a friend (thanks). (Also, a bunch of dudes have been emailing me asking about the archive section...i guess it's not working).
Rickster, post your email and I'll email you. I'll be in Buenos Aires for many of the days you are going. I was originally going to go to Mar Del Plata but will probably skip it and go to Rio for longer instead. I'm hearing too many good things about Rio so gonna meet Kick Stand for 8 days of sheer madness in Rio (including New Year's Eve). I'm in BA: December 20,21,22,23,24,25 and leaving for Rio on 26th returning to BA on January 2nd at night.
Octatron, several of the girls work at Playwoman. One was from Affaire, one was from Hook's. One from Black's and the rest from the internet sites.
Many of the regular places probably depend on the time of year you go. Asia de Cuba in May was jam packed with hottie model quality girls. When Leo went the weather was cold and ALL the clubs sucked in general. If you have "game" then just talk to normal girls. There's certainly no shortage of normal girls that wouldn't mind spending time with a nice American. My problem is I've met several normal chicas but can't get locked into spending time with them when there are so many "sure things". The problem with the normal chicas (much like everywhere else in the world) is that you gotta invest valuable time.
My theory is this. In the end, most guys (not all) have the ultimate goal of ending up in bed with a hot girl that we may be romancing. I'm not saying all but honestly guys....come on be honest. So, with so many sure things in the clubs and internet sites.. I'm not bothering with the normal girls. It was no fun having to tell lie after lie to the normal girls of why I couldn't spend time with them. If I lived there though I would definitely do/ date normal chicas but I'd still visit the clubs.
If your finances are limited maybe this is a better option for you. But why fly halfway across the continent to scrimp. I like real life examples... so I would equate it to someone that goes to the movie theatre but doesn't want to spend the money on drinks and popcorn and all the junk food. They try sneaking in their own food, water, sodas, etc. They want the experience of watching it on the big screen but try to scrimp a little. Yeah, you're experiencing the "real deal" but eating the buttery popcorn, drinking those big drinks and eating the candy is part of the experience. JMHO.
Maddur and all the rest of the dudes are correct. At least from what I saw.
Racism in BA??? I don't think so.......
I am a brotha, and I have been going to BA since '91....I was last in BA this past April....
If u call what I experienced in BA racism.....well I want it 24/7, 365 days a year....
To all the brothas....by all means go to BA, and between Dec-Mar go to Mar del Plata also....and check out Santa Fe if u can....
BTW...to Ezy: fuck u and the skank that followed u into town....
santaclaus
09-27-02, 23:38
Originally posted by saint
Oh yeah, before I forget.... I'd stay clear of that chicas-top website that dude mentioned. My friend called a girl from that site. I told him she was too good to be true. Well...I was right. Some girl that was NOT the girl in the picture showed up. The girl tried argueing with him so he gets out his print out and starts showing her that is NOT her. She admits it.
Saint,
As always, thanks for your insights.
SC
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