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09-29-02, 17:26

I visited B.A. in June and August of this year. Below are some comments and observations to some of the previous posts. I am not a regular on the board. So forgive me in advance for this long post. Also, I intend to do only this one post and I am doing it in appreciation of the previous posts from Saint, Otto and others that I read prior to going to B.A. The comments are strictly my opinions from a total of about 16 days in B.A. When I say some girl is an 8-9, I am comparing them to the girls that were working in Blacks and Play women in June. When I was in B.A. in August, I agree with Saint, the quality of the girls in the clubs have dropped considerably. I am not into the number of girls I can get. I am more into quality sessions. I won't discuss the normal bars (Blacks and Play Women) everyone goes to.

Working Bars

In August, one girl I met worked at and invited me to Blandish Club. Unfortunately, this girl recently left to work in Mexico City. Blandish is in Palermo collated with at least two other buildings that are regular dance clubs for the very young crowd. I noticed teenagers and maybe a 19-20 years old crowd going into the other bars. Blandishâ€™ address is Av. Del Libertador 3883, Paseo de la Infanta tel: 4776-4244/4776-4499.

Blandish's management style is similar to Blacks. But, there is a tremendous difference with the girls. There were about 15 girls. The girls I saw that night were average looking, in the 20-24 year old range and down to earth. The entrance fee is 20 pesos. A drink for a girl was 25 pesos. I think the bar fee to take a girl out was 50 pesos (two drink minimum). I was the only gringo in the Blandish. But, I felt very comfortable. I talked to one of the best looking girls there. She was comparable to some of the best-looking girls at Blacks or Play women. She wanted 500 pesos for the whole night. She had previously worked as an escort in Miami and told me I was getting a bargain at 500 pesos. I politely declined her offer. Was she worth 500 pesos for the whole night? In my opinion, comparing her to the ladies in Blacks and Play women, most definitely. But, I had already made arrangements to meet another lady friend. I don't know if this is standard, but the club had its own limo driver that took me back to my hotel for whatever tip I wanted to give the driver.

In June and August, I visited a bar named Salomne. It is located on Cordova I think?. This bar is not Sordoma that's located in Recoleta. The bar is small and has two levels. There was no entrance fee. The men visiting the bar were primarily local professionals. In June there was a really nice group (mostly 7-8, a variety of ladies that would probably meet everyone's taste, real nice bodies, no fake breasts, but, only two I would rate as 9s) of about 20 girls. The girls were dressed in evening gowns or dressed like professionals working in an office environment. I took one girl out of this place for 100 pesos for two hours and there was a forty-peso bar fee (two drink minimum). The session was standard and she was not in a hurry to leave. In August, there were fewer (maybe 10) girls the weeknight I was there. As compared to June, the girls were mostly 7s. The place was packed with men, but it seemed like most of the men were just buying drinks for the girls that were working.

In both June and August, I visited Solid Gold. In June there were 5 or 6 really nice looking girls with great bodies that were comparable to the women of Play women and Blacks. Three of the waitress looked better than most of the girls. But, all three had boyfriends and did not date on the side. I think I paid 200 pesos for a working girl for about three hours. In response to some comments about prostitution being illegal. When the girl and I were ready to leave, we had to wait for at least an hour because the police was in the club checking the girlsâ€™ identifications. None of the guys were bothered. I was told the club owners tout the club as just a drinking and show club. And that the working girls do not officially go with customers for money. That was one the reasons this club and others have mini tango and cabaret shows. But, the police thought the place was hiring underage girls from Romania or one of the previous Eastern Bloc countries. There was definitely at least two girls from Romania working as waitress. In August, the place was dead with very few customers and girls.

Internet Services

My luck was flat out bad going thought the Internet websites. I used primarily Platynum and Area-VIP. Most ladies wanted 150 pesos for the hour. Maybe I am too demanding. But, the ladies I invited to the apartment look considerably different from their photos. In my view, the photos and ladies in person were nowhere close. For example, this Barbara is probably at least 35 which doesn't bother me, looked at least 15 pounds heavier than her photos and you could smell the smoke from the clothes she was wearing at least five feet away. I gave her a tip to leave. Another Internet girl goes by the name Faby. Fat face, speaks English well, a pretty good sense of humor, but overweight. Wasn't my type and she sensed it immediately. I guess Faby has three or four other girls working with or for her in the Recoleta area. Faby was determined to get me with one of her girls. After her visit, she sent at least four other girls for my review uninvited. Even lowering my normal quality standards, I rejected all four girls. Another Internet darling, Indiana is much older than her photos. Indiana came into the apartment, went immediately to the bathroom, let me watch her piss, I guess this was supposed to turn me on, said she had to make it fast because she had to go to school or something like that, but the next time we would take it slow and easy and she would give me a discount. I said lets just wait until next time and showed her the door. I saw a girl named Catherine from Area-VIP. She is a college student, says 23 but I thing more like 27, speaks French, a cool young lady. Thought I was too serious. I didn't bother telling her about my other Internet experiences. It was an ok session. But, she was got at least 3 telephone pages. She had another appointment immediately after me. Said we could get together after work if I wanted to, like about 12 midnight, she wanted to work on relaxing me. Didn't take her up on the offer.

French Street

Visited June and August. For me this is a good daytime place to go to in the Recoleta area. I really like the hostess, Miriam. She is sincere and honest. For example, I asked Miriam why the girls didn't charge 150 pesos per hour as the minimum like the Internet girls. The French Street rate was 100-200 pesos per hour, depending on what you want. Miriam told me that just because someone calls on the phone speaking English or comes from the U.S., that doesn't mean they should be charged a different rate from a local guy. When I mentioned I was maybe interested in moving to B.A. in the future and looking into buying an apartment or home, Miriam said she used to work in mortgage banking. Miriam provided me with a website address that she and her family bought their home through where you work with the owner directly and reduce some of the fees. I don't have the website address because I decided to wait and make sure I wasn't thinking with the wrong head. I talked to Miriam a couple of times and now French Street has its own website. The website is http://www.factorsex.com.
Generally, there are six girls working thoughout the day. Miriam believes in discretion, especially given the location, so she wants you to call. The number is 4825-9370. Presently, the girls working at French Street are Belen, Carola, Samanta, Celeste and Luciana. Can they for the most part, rate lookwise with the girls we see at Blacks or Play Women? No! But, like I said I am really into quality sessions and this in my opinion is a good daytime place in the Recoleta area.

Other I took time and talked to the after hour security guard and night receptionists in one hotel I stayed in. This was the 11pm shift. One night I brought in a lady. The receptionist mentioned he could get me someone better than that. I laughed and said be my guest. If I like her, you get a tip. He gave a description of some of the ladies he knew were working. And I chose the one I wanted to visited me. He assured me there was no obligation to take her if I didn't like her. The guy sent on two occasions really nice ladies that was comparable to the ladies of Blacks and Play Women for 150 pesos for the hour. Unfortunately, the guy doesn't want his name given out. But, according to this guy there are a group of ladies that work though hotel night shift receptionists. I didn't really explore the comments any further. But recommend someone get to know some of the various hotel night shift folks so we can find out what is going on.

When I first went to B.A. I was somewhat put off with the girls working in the club. Regardless of what I thought was agreed to, the girls generally stayed two hours at the most. My second visit some of same girls seemed more flexible and not a business like. I had a discussion with a few girls about there approach. I don't know if any of this is true. But a couple of girls from different bars provided similar comments. A girl at Play Women told me (depending on the time and how productive the girl is for the club-make money off of drinks and how many men desire her company) certain girls are pressured by management to make a date and get back to the bar as soon as possible. This helps the club make more money on the drinks and exit fees. This girl said the more popular girls have regular customers that come to the club at specific times and nights for them. According to her, it's not good business to abandon their regulars because most girls do not expect to be with us gringos more than one time. Also, the girl said some of the girls have a young child or still stay with their families. They must get home at a certain time, unless arrangements are made well in advance. Her comment was "Imagine paying a baby-sitter or have a family member take care of your child for the night because this guy you met in the club promises to come and get you, take you out to dinner, and spend the whole night together. But, the guy never shows up." According to her, it happens often. I guess I would have to plead guilty to that charge once myself, because I was to meet a lady at the apartment before she went to work at the club and she promised to spend the whole night. I was taking care of business elsewhere and showed up an hour late. When I did show, I was informed this beautiful lady had come and left. The receptionist thought I was nuts for not waiting for this lady. Quite frankly, I did not think the lady would show up. We never know, do we. Two ladies did inform me that during December through February, the ladies working the club have more flexibility with management because there are more ladies working in the clubs. This allows some ladies to take time off and if they meet some guy they click with and trust the ladies will travel with them on a mini vacation.

On the way back to the states, I met a lady working in an embassy in B.A. I mentioned I was interested in buying a home in B.A. in the future. Her comments were make sure I use a lawyer. This wasn't her area of expertise, but she feels Argentina must find a way to raise money. One good way would be property taxes. The banks are carrying a lot of bad home loans. If in the future the banks are allowed to foreclose on property, this could drive home prices down. But, someone with cash dollars should be able to find some great bargains in the future. Please, realize the comments were her off the record opinions, not the views of the embassy she worked for.

OttoGraham

09-29-02, 17:46

Nice post, email, thanks for the kind words. Your Uncle Otto is always here to pass on the best information he knows.

It's good to see you are plowing your knowledge back into the soil and not just taking taking taking like so many lurkers do! Good info!

-Otto

Saint

09-29-02, 19:50

Email,

I gotta give you a big "thata boy" for your post. Thanks for the very nice words. I can tell your a guy that likes his privacy and doesn't really like to post... so it was especially nice to read about your experiences.

I can also tell that you tell it like it is. I don't like BS'ers on this or any other board. I like hearing about the bad as well as the good.

I have a good friend that is in Buenos Aires right now. I just got done talking to him. It was funny because I had not talked to him since he arrived last week. One of my amigas from the clubs told me she ran into him last night and told me the name of the girl he left with. So today...first thing I say, "How was Arecili?". LOL. He laughed and accused me of having spies everywhere... Ha, ha.

Anyway, he says that Playwoman and Black's have picked back up some since early September. He reported that Ness, Cattos, Solid Gold, and almost all of the other clubs still are not as good as previous times. He is trying to convince me to come back down the last weekend in October/beginning of November. Work is very busy and I'll see him Thanksgiving weekend but I'm weak. I'm gonna try to hold out as long as I can.

EasyTiger, welcome to the board! A month in BA?? Wow. Lucky chap. Keep us informed of your adventures. Good luck.

Gentlemen: Keep sharing information with one another. This is how we all learn. I'm impressed we are able to maintain such a civil board. Everyone is respectful for the most part. This site is like a goldmine. It is full of valuable information. Yeah, it's full of a lot of posts but take the time to go through the "Archives" back from 2001 to April 2002" The link is on the lower left hand side of this page. I maintain this is the best site right now for information on Argentina. Have fun. Life is good.

Leo

09-29-02, 22:24

hey email,

great post!!

i'd like to check out blandish on my oct visit - can you please tell us more, specifically, what time did you arrive, and leave (if you remember)

thanks!

CityDude

09-30-02, 04:54

August tends to be the coldest and wetest month in EZE, as a result talent moves to warmer climbs -

email: Romanians ? Hmmm !!!, I know that many East European women are moving over to South Am. but did not expect .RO to trailblaze :)

MoonDog

09-30-02, 12:38

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Email
Internet Services

My luck was flat out bad going thought the Internet websites. I used primarily Platynum and Area-VIP. Most ladies wanted 150 pesos for the hour. Maybe I am too demanding. But, the ladies I invited to the apartment look considerably different from their photos. In my view, the photos and ladies in person were nowhere close.

Email,

The only internet website that is 100% WUSIWYG is www.escorts-argentina.com.

Thanks for a nice overview.

EasyTiger

09-30-02, 15:17

There´s a new club in Recoleta, on the corner between Solid Gold and Sodoma. It´s called Madahos, and is quite nice inside, more Blacks than Solid Gold. Long, L-shaped bar, lots of mirrors, a stage and a few pole-dancing mini-stages sticking out of the walls at various heights.

I was there at midnight on Sunday, and it was v quiet. Only half a dozen girls for maybe 15 guys. The exact opposite of the norm... It didn´t feel well established... there was much more happening in PW when I went over there.

Girls seemed about at the PW / SG level. I didn´t ask about prices. A couple spoke English, and the bar people were friendly. Entry was 20 pesos, which included a first drink, as at Blacks.

Cheers,

Easy.

ibiza007

09-30-02, 18:26

Question - As always the posts from the well informed are really good and informative.

Does anyone have thoughts or experiences on visiting the web girls in their departmentos or consultarios? Many web girls mention that you may visit them in their departmentos. This seems like a great way to explore the city and visit the lions in their own den. If things are not as expected, it would be easier to just leave vs. having an unpleasant experience at a hotel.

I like to explore big cities with a combination of taxis, (trams in amsterdam ) and walking. I have been everywhere in amsterdam, just getting to the prive houses. It is a great way to kill time and learn a new city.

Also, any thoughts or experiences with ALBERGUE TRANSITORIO's. I have run accross several links to these love hotels and without looking very hard at all, there must me 200+ of these wonderful places in the city.
The web site at sensualbaires has a link to a card they offer with 30-50% discounts on these rooms. This site links to about 100+ of these hotels in all barios of the city. Many of these are in the 10-15$ usd range for 2 hours.

Many look really nice and the prices are very reasonable. With all of these rooms available ( each one seems to have 8- 10 rooms ) the daily turn over must be incredibly large each day. So I am just wondering what beauties are visiting these hotels with the locals everyday. I am only estimating that hundreds of girls work in the clubs, but it would require thousands to keep all of these transitorios busy every day.

Thanks

Ibiza007

Alano

09-30-02, 22:42

Anyone in BA this week want to get to hook up for some hunting? saint, I saw you mention that your friend was in town, think he'd be interested? I'm American, 34, very easygoing and cool, I just don't have any espanol (and just a little Portuguese). Just got in from Rio (I posted in the BR boards a few weeks ago, tomb hooked me up with mucho info) and I was so depressed getting on that plane. I have no idea where anything is here and have been warned about the taxi drivers and all the weird stuff happening lately. Some guy got shot to death today outside the hotel (Claridge). Yuck...

Anyhow, let me know.. Looks like I'll be here longer than I thought. You can email me at chas68spamtrap18@hotmail.com

Also I saw someone post that they thought that Clara was older, anyone care to make a guess at how old? She's on escorts-argentina.com.

Later
Alano

Andres

09-30-02, 22:55

Ibiza:

I visited a half dozen places in the last 7 years. It's hit or miss: You may find a nice place an have a great session with a very good girl or you may find an ugly chick with in dirty environment.

Although it shouldn't be a hassle to get in and out of a building, some places have a 2 doors locked, so you may get caught locket in between and have to wait for a person to enter the building and open it, asking you " where did you come from?", etc. I guess that downtown apartments don;t hacve such problems, especially during business hours (many people come and go), but I can't say the same for other quarters or daytimes.

I went to at least 60 albergues transitorios. At 1500-1600 Independencia Ave. (7 blocks from the Congress) you will find 2 of them, very cheap to Recoleta standards (p25-p40) and good quality. Most of them are of good quality, and usually you can guess the quality of the rooms from the quality of the building facade (poor or good maintenance, modern or old, etc.).

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About the Email message:

Good posting! Some comments:

Girls are required to come back after 2 hours of service if taken out before 3AM (flexible limit), so you may enjoy "toda la noche" for a single fee if taken after 3-4 AM.

Salome is located at the corner of Cordoba Av and Billinghurst St. Nice lace, nice girls, worths a try. I was charged p20 for the girls fee (p10 each drink), so if any of you want to be charged p40, say "La semana pasada me cobraron p20" (Last week I was charged p20). (I know, I know...what are 20 additional pesos? Just a tip if you want to save more money.)

www.factorsex.com has many girls copied from the Platynum website, so I doubt that all of these girls work in J&B at French Street (by the way, the street is named after an Argentine patriot called Domingo French, not for what you think, guys...)

Hope this helps,

Andres

Saint

09-30-02, 23:29

Alano,

I just emailed you. Let me know if you don't get it. You should definitely be able to hook up with my buddy. He's about the same age as you. Great guy. He's been to BA several times so is a pro. He should be able to take you out and show you around. I emailed you his email address so definitely email him.

Do you know any details of the shooting you mentioned? Yikes. That Clara you mentioned is no spring chicken. I'd guess probably in her mid to upper 30's. Good luck.

Alano

09-30-02, 23:59

Oi!

saint,

Got your email, thanks I'll shoot (sic) him an email. I didn't hear anything about the shooting but I couldn't get to the hotel at lunch today because the streets were cordoned off. Scary stuff. SHoulda stayed at the marriott.

Yeah Clara looks to be in her 30s. She's got a tight bod though. She's upped her rates too from what is quoted on the website. We'll see. (There's something to be said for hot, experienced chicks... as long as they're still enthusiastic, which is really my primary concern). I could tell you about this termas chica in Rio that absolutely screwed me comatose, nailed me to the wall... in 45 minutes.... but I won't. :)

Thanks again bud.

Alano.

JamesBond69

10-01-02, 02:30

>I have no idea where anything is here and have been warned about the >axi drivers and all the weird stuff happening lately. Some guy got shot to >death today outside the hotel (Claridge). Yuck...

Don't freak out brother monger. Your fellow WSG will come to your aid and help you enjoy your stay in BA.

Happy hobby...

Bond. James Bond 69

clsncntr

10-01-02, 10:52

Email, Getting referrals from a hotel staff can have many advantages. The staff "knows" you and your taste, and can be a good pitch for the chicas. They may also come up with the semi or non-pros. Always tip the staff well, and they may surprise you.

Member #1698

10-01-02, 15:55

Re: Hotwoman.com..."Juana" on first page of escort pics="Elena" from Platynum=much caliente...but are "those Charms" real?

Guys, if you are in BA now or soon, take a look at Juana at hotwoman.com and if you are as impressed as I was or even 50%, take a flyer, book her and post...she is Rio hot garota quality...but what's she really like in the bedroom and are those real or implants?

An inquiring libido needs to know, all you bros down BA way...

P.S. the street crime in BA s getting worse and unpredictable as to time and locale...I'm planning a mid-to-late Nov. trip; my associate down there says to only carry enough money on you to satisfy your would-be attackers...in Recoleta or in Palermo vs. the outer 'burbs...how much would that be?

Dcrain

10-01-02, 18:37

Hhomeboy,

Haven't met her, but from her pictures at some of the other sites, those pechos (breasts) are real. Look at her pictures at gemidos. She seemed to appear about 2-3 weeks ago on several sites. Definitely hot. My question would be her personality/performance. She is on my consideration list.

methysos

10-01-02, 19:37

I have seen reports in the news about rising crime in B.A., even about kidnappings right out of taxicabs. Any of you who visited recently, has crime really got that bad? Keep in mind that I speak very basic Spanish and will definitely be pegged as a visiting Gringo. Not knowing my way around B.A., I have put on ice any plans to travel there due to the crime reports. Am I overreacting?

EZE_Amante

10-01-02, 20:15

I read a story a couple days ago about the "express kidnappings" in Argentina. I'll post the link in the general information section. I'm certainly aware of the economic, and political situation there, but I won't let it deter me from my travel plans. Like always, the best advice is to simply always be aware of your surroundings, only travel in pre-arranged or radio taxis, and read everything you can about travel "dangers" in any foreign country you are visiting. The state department has a lot of information, as well as the CIA world factbook.

EZE

Octatron

10-01-02, 20:22

methysos

Are you overreacting?

I think so. I work on a cruise ship, and I've pretty much been everywhere in the world. OK, let me rephrase that. I've been to many places all over the world.

Of course crime should be a concern for you wherever you go.

But if your smart. Don't wear flashy clothes, don't where expensive or excessive jewelry. Don’t let anybody see your handling money. Don’t walk down dark alleys. Don’t put yourself in a situation that you could get mugged, robbed, ETC.

Just remember never draw attention to yourself. And on any given night, only bring what you could lose in valuables, and do try to be a hero. Also remember dress not to be seen, Don't dress to be seen.

I think you should definitely still go to BA, just be careful, stay safe.

bundarider

10-01-02, 22:57

I arrived in BA this morning. Hopefully I will have some good info to share with you guys!

Saint

10-01-02, 23:29

I have an idea. Why don't all those worried about the crime stay home. Go to France, Italy and all the other places you consider safe. Nothing in life is a sure thing. Is there crime in BA? Yeah, but there is crime in any city with over 12 million people.

Why don't you really start worring about the crime in BA when guys from the board post that something happened to them. I know at least 30 guys that have been down to BA since May. (Yes, 30...and some of those dudes have been down to BA three, four and five times). In any given week I'm emailing with someone that is there. You know what? Not one of them has been "express kidnapped", mugged, or experienced crime.

I'm not saying BA has no crime. I'm not saying you will not experience crime but there is no sense worrying about it if you're not even there. The reality is that many that read the board will never go to Buenos Aires.

Also, don't get so wrapped up on any individual girls. Girls come and girls go. There are good odds that the girl you want the most won't even be available when you're down there. I know it sucks but that's the god's honest truth. Good luck all.

Saint

LA Larry

10-02-02, 12:48

Re: Neworts.

I would add that it is much more like an Irish Pub *on many occasions I would laugh because regular couples would enter, hang out, listen to the band and then after ten minutes finally grasp what kind of place it is.

The girls are usually several grades below Playwoman, Blacks, Ness, Cutty Stark. Mainly 5s, and 6s.

Also the gals--are much cheaper. I would say that I pulled at least three girls out of there for an average price of 150 pesos. In fact--I never even bought them drinks!

Newports: pub setting, great local. average girls, low prices.

Have fun!

Saint

10-02-02, 15:40

Octagon. Nope...I'm not a star. Just an average guy that likes spending quality time with hotties. As to your question, I totally agree with Ezy. I've been in Newports several times. Sometimes alone, but mostly with friends. I've never hooked up with anyone from Newports. Some nights I've seen some hotties in there just as hot as Playwoman or Black's....other nights it's been dead.

Hit or miss would definitely describe the place. Definitely stop in though. Doesn't hurt. We usually hit it after Playwoman while walking to Black's or Affaire. It's on the way on Junin Street wedged in between tons of restaurants. The internet cafe I use the most is also a few doors down.

Check it out. Those have live bands some nights that are actually pretty good.

LA Larry

10-02-02, 18:05

Hey boys--

A tad of topic:

I am heading to Asia soon and have stumbled across a website to rival Saint's photo album.

These are pics of the bar girls of Pattaya (Thailand) taken by mongers when they get them back to their hotel room. They make Saint look like a boy scout! (just kidding!)

http://www.pattayabargirls.com/cgi-bin/album.pl

also--be sure to (check on this webpage) Bartned's photo album.

I will be visiting this area and reporting back to that forum.

PEACE!!!!

Maddur

10-02-02, 20:29

Couldn't agree more with Saint on crime (BA). Is there crime in BA? Sure. When I was there in June, the restaurant across from Art Suites was robbed at gun point. Can we get mugged or kidnapped ? Possibly! I am not trying to scare anyone. But if you take good precautions (I do not want to repeat them - read previosu posts), the probability is very small. Try to hook up with fellow brothers from the board when you go to the bars. If you are alone, take a cab (radio taxi only!).

Saint

10-02-02, 23:23

I talked to my good friend today that is in BA. He told me he is having a blast. He has noticed no increase in crime. I think this is the 4th trip this year to BA for him. He is going back late October and again in November. Said prices are great now. He is paying less now than at the beginning of the month when I was in town with him. He said he hasn't paid more than 200 pesos for any short time visit with chicas and said many were 150 pesos. The rate of exchange today was 3.7 to the US Dollar so it's GREAT!

I think he is going out with that dude from this board that I hooked him up with. If so, have fun! Also, he is in Buenos Aires so much that he decided to get a cellphone of his own. Cost is $30 US per month. I think he said he gets 100 free minutes outgoing and free incoming calls.

Good luck all.

thor

10-03-02, 14:10

Hi, I have been following this board recently, as I will be going to BA early next year. I really appreciate all of the free flowing info that is shared here. Being from Southern Ca, one problem is the added air fare cost to BA from the West coast. Right now, you can book a RT fare from LA to BA for UNDER $600 for Turkey Day week. This is on Lan Chile, with no stops going down, and 1 stop on the return. You can also get FF miles on American on Lan. Hope this helps someone make the call to go to BA. These fares probably won't last long, so you'll need to pull the trigger! thor

dkell70

10-03-02, 18:22

Firstly thanks to all contributors to this and other country forums - this is the best encyclopedia I never had when I was growing up!

I have to agree with the issue of crime. I've visited some dodgy places in my time, Sao Paulo/Havana/Panama/Guatemala/Caracas/New York(!) etc and been to some dodgy areas, however I find that if you don't paint 'VICTIM' across your forehead before you go out then you are generally left alone.

Now, apologies for asking questions that have probably been answered over the last hundred posts or so, but there is only so much I can read without becoming depressed at not being in BA already.
Also, I'm a Brit, so you have to make some allowances....

Any answers, and general relevent tips for a BA virgin would be greatly appreciated.

- What are the 2/3 best hotels that are girl friendly (+ rough cost)
- Would an appt be better

- What's approx cost for 1-2 hours and O/night for a 7 or 8 rated chica in pesos or dollars
- Are clubs best, or the newspaper ads or internet
- Is it a GFE, similar to Brazil for those who might have been there also

I'm planning to visit BA in December, either just before Xmas, or perhaps over X-mas/New Year. Will everything in BA be shut during X-mas? Is there a best time to go to BA?

Cheers, and all the breast
DK

Jak

10-03-02, 23:54

dkell70 -

With all due respect, I have not travelled to BA yet - but when I do in about six months, I will take the time to read the past posts of our brothers and not burden them with the simplistic questions that have been addressed on numerous occasions already. I will let the experts post and be grateful for their energy and effort to share in the meantime. After my experiences, I will do my utmost to repay my fellow hunters with as much relevant information as possible. This is the best flowing location on this web-site. It has civility and intelligent information. Let's not have the "saints" on the board wishing to go private. I respect and appreciate these men and their information too much.
Thank you.

ezy

10-04-02, 07:11

[QUOTE]Originally posted by dkell70

Also, I'm a Brit, so you have to make some allowances....

Any answers, and general relevent tips for a BA virgin would be greatly appreciated.

- What are the 2/3 best hotels that are girl friendly (+ rough cost)
- Would an appt be better

- What's approx cost for 1-2 hours and O/night for a 7 or 8 rated chica in pesos or dollars
- Are clubs best, or the newspaper ads or internet
- Is it a GFE, similar to Brazil for those who might have been there also

I'm planning to visit BA in December, either just before Xmas, or perhaps over X-mas/New Year. Will everything in BA be shut during X-mas? Is there a best time to go to BA?

hotels....First time visitors will want to stay in one of two areas: downtown (business/commercial center) or Recoleta (close in residential neighborhood with vibrant night life). There are innumerable hotels, depending upon you price range. The Etoile in Recoleta has been named most often as the headquarters of choice....good security, friendly staff, and location, location, location. Formerly 5 star, now about a 3 as it needs to be refurbished. Expect to pay between 150-200pesos per night, plus tax. Others are listed in the links section.

If you are a first time visitor, I would not recommend an apartment.....there are fewer hassles overall with a hotel.....once you are familiar with the area, an apartment is a great option. Meanwhile, an aparthotel might work for you.....the best of both worlds. Again, see the links for some options...

cost: on average, expect to pay 150-200 pesos for 1-2 hours, plus drinks if she works in one of the chica bars. o/night(TLN) will probably double the cost, depending upon the chica and your relationship with her....some chicas prefer TLN dates with guys they like, others want to do a date or two and go home....generally, I much prefer to wait until I have established a relationship before asking a girl for an overnight date....the cost will be lower if she likes you, and you will know in advance if you want to stay longer with her...

newspaper ads....there may be treasure buried in the midst of all the ads found in Clarin, but generally you will find many more 3s than 7s or 8s through the newspaper. Internet....can be great, but many chicas do not use recent photos or do not use their own photos....www.escorts-argentina.com is an exception...here, WYSIWYG. Platynum, Gemidos, or Area-VIP....maybe, maybe not. Clubs....Be prepared to visit several....a hot club one night may be dead the next. For example, downtown clubs cater to businesspeople and generally do not have as many girls working on weekends...A solid group of clubs to visit as a newbie: In Recoleta--Afairre, Playwomen, Solid Gold and Sodoma. In downtown--Cattos, Hook, Ness, Pipers, Cutty Sark and Cafe Orleans.

When to visit: Many girls will take off for Christmas and not return until toward the end of January...It is summer in BA and many of the girls visit the beach....depending upon when you go in December, it could be good. Last year I was in BA during the first two weeks of December and many girls were working to earn Christmas money......Best time to visit: avoid the middle of summer....Christmas to mid-February, unless you want to go to Mar del Plata's nearby beaches.....

Overall: There is more to Argentina and BA than chicas...take time to see the city and experience its charms.....preferably with a chica on your arm...enjoy

thor

10-04-02, 18:03

Hi guys, here is another air/hotel package that might work for you from the US to BA. This one is $599 from Miami, and $699 from NYC via United non stop to BA, on a RT basis. Other cities are possible at additional cost. This deal is available from 11/1-12/15; and opens up again from 1/8-3/31/03. XMAS holidays are blacked out. Included in this price is 6 nights at the Lafayette hotel in downtown BA, supposedly a 4 star hotel. Extra nights beyond the original 6 can be added on for only $35 per night. Anyone have any info on this hotel, location, GF friendly, etc? You also get breakfast every day, and a city tour included in the price. The BAD news is that this price is based on double occupancy, and there is a single supplement cost of $200. It might still be worthwhile, if GF friendly, when you add the costs of air and hotel together on their own. For people traveling together, or a 1st timer, it still may be a good deal. Call Analie Tours at 800/811-6027, or analietours.com. I think that they may have other similar deals for Brazil, and other spots in SA, as they specialize in SA travel. Hope this helps some people! thor

Havanaman

10-04-02, 19:24

Ezy,

Ok, although I agree strongly with jak about dkell70's post regarding doing the basic research, I must confess that I find myself in what I assume to be dkell70's position.

I have been listening silently now for the past few weeks as I plan my trip to BA, only to be confronted by a barrage of sales pitches about flight costs... What are we now, a group of air-fare mongers? Yes, I know we all need to get the best deals, but there is a place for everything…..We have a specific area for ARG. hotels, links, cities, General information, what about something for the flight hunter? If I knew how to go about creating the space for this topic I would do it. Snr. Jackson, your comments?

I say all the above, not from malice, but from frustration. I now only read posts from "well posted" travellers. All this is due to the fact that it's only now that I am in a position to put together a good working plan for my December BA visit. Hey guess what? it's all thanks to Ezy's reply to dkell70's good questions.

Thanks Ezy, you would seemed to have helped more than one traveller (and I suspect there are still a larger number of "lurkers..." who have gained from your invaluable experience.)

I'm new to these specific pages, as it's my first trip to BA (check out my Havana reports....), so the information presented needs to be user friendly; just as your has been Ezy.

By the way I will return the compliment with a report when I get back in January-03.

dkell70, I'm also going to BA in December, also, I live in Europe. email me and we can share information as first timers, maybe construct a BA first timers guide for posting here?: sedition2001@hotmail.com

Thanks once again Ezy much appreciated; if you think of anything else.... do please post. Regards, Havanaman

royal21

10-05-02, 05:02

Hello ,
I'm new to WSG and very pleased to see everyone enjoying. I am about to take a holiday and argentina was the top candidate till i saw LA Larry's link for pattaya girls.

Boy ! i'm surely in a split decision :-) . I've never been to latin america so was looking forward to some chica action but i have to admit i do have a weakness for asian pussy.

Will someone please compare pattaya and BsAs as 10 day holiday options. this is my only holiday for the year and want a good mix of sight seeing , food and women . (i am assuming that both places give similar bang for the buck).

Royal
NY

dkell70

10-05-02, 07:12

Ezy, many thanks for your comments. Much appreciated.
- I have every intention of seeing what looks like a beautiful city, and preferably with a beautiful chica as you suggest.

Jak, apologies if I have spoken out of turn as it were, however I do think that every now and again these basic questions should be asked and answered for those that are either new to the Forum, or new to BA - or simply to provide the latest update on these basic issues that everyone, new or old to the forum, would want to know. The queries were 100% relevant to this board, more so than the large amount of posts on crime, and flight deals from the US - this is a world wide forum, not just a US one!
I had read several of the previous pages before I posted my own queries, but couldn't find one that answered all these basic questions. I simply don't have the time to read hundreds of posts - besides, whats the point, last months information maybe already out of date.

Havanaman,
Thanks, and likewise I now have the key information to decide that BA is for me - I was toying with the idea of Rio for a while.

I will drop you an e-mail.

Peterman

10-05-02, 07:39

Hello dkell70,

I saw in a previous post you have been to Havana. How about giving back a little of info you have received?

Thanks in advance,
Peterman

dkell70

10-05-02, 08:58

Peterman,

I only recently discovered this forum, so have not posted before.
I went to Havana over 3 years ago, so I don't think my information would be current and I wasn't too successful in the punting scene as I hadn't read this board before I went, so my info would be pretty useless I think.
I will post details of future trips however.

Slick1

10-05-02, 10:27

royal21

You won't go wrong with either location. I have been to both locales this year and loved both. While your two choices will be vastly different experiences they both offer great bang for your buck on lodging, food, and of course women. I personally prefer the passion of latin women but if asians are your weakness, head east. If you truly love superstar quality asians you may want to consider Macau, although like nearby Hong Kong, there is not much else to do. However I must admit that I have never seen such an absolutely gorgeous collection of women for hire. For about 100us you will be massaged, bathed.blown and banged by some of the most beautiful women I have ever seen. Club Black in BA. while having a beautiful collection did not even rise to the looks quality level I saw in Macau. But, and this is a big but, BsAs is a helluva lot better place to be for vacation. As well, with the latina women it is much more of a 2 person, jointly passionate experience. I do plan on returning to Thailand to explore some more, but nothing pulled harder on my heart than Bs As. to which I return in Nov.. Big decision royal but either way you win.

royal21

10-05-02, 15:23

thank you brother slick1,

I didn't know about macau, let me read up on it. But i think i'm tilting more for BA myself. I've been grinding myself all year in new york and need some real vacation. I expect women to be no more than 10% of the experience of a new place.

Besides flying time and air ticket will be relatively less for argentina.

Is october end / november start a good time to go there ? Is that a good time to meet college gilrs looking to make a few extra bucks?

Also a special thanks to "Uncle Otto" from the archives (2001 to april 2002) . His exploits in BA are so much fun to read.

happy hunting to all of you,
Royal

ibiza007

10-05-02, 15:29

I have been reading for some time now the current thoughts on the internet girls. It seems about 99% of the reviews are that it is hit and miss any many ads are outright misleading.

Do any of the BA visitors have any positive picks from the net that are confirmed nearly as advertised? It seems even the escorts-argentina site is not 100% accurate. Someone mentioned that they had recently met with Barbarella and she was 20 lb heavier than in her picture. I note that Anastasia has received high marks from several posters.

Any thoughts on AS ADVERTISED are greatly appreciated.

Ibiza

Slick1

10-05-02, 19:37

Royal

I've only been once, this past labor day wknd w/ a few days tacked on before. Even though it was cold (40's) and rainy a couple days I still had a great time. Late Oct / early Nov. should be well into beautiful spring weather. I may be wrong but I would equate BsAs seasons roughly with a city like Atlanta. Pretty temperate but during the winter you can catch that week or two of nasty weather, like I did. Although I walked everywhere to see the sights I did feel like I missed out on enjoying the multitude of outdoor cafes bc it was too cold. I'm returning this Nov. and fully expect to hit sunny skies and temps in upper 70's, low 80's. I don't know about college girls but the majority of the working girls are young and they are all looking to make a few bucks. To my eyes it did appear like many of the gorgeous restaurant hostesses trying to lure patrons into their restaurant were in fact college girls, but as for the club girls I didn't have any rushing off to class the next day. While others may disagree, take them out , buy them a nice dinner and treat them well. You will be surprised just how appreciative they can be.

Ibiza

Only had 1 internet girl. From Platynum. Turned out to be about 15-20 years older than her pictures. Worst experience during my stay. While I may be tempted to press my luck again this time I will stay away from the girls with multiple pictures under multiple names. Coincidentally they also appear to be the girls with the highly professional studio appearing photos. My guess is that the more professional the photos , the more touch up performed. If your not into experiencing the many daytime charms of this great city give the websites a try. To fill up the hours. Others on this board have had great experiences. But you can't go wrong in the clubs unless your eyesight is failing.

Andres

10-05-02, 20:08

ibiza007:

I met the following girls:

- Maru from Platynum, December 2001. She is as advertised, no silicones, although she ain't nice teeth. Anyway, I was highly satisfied: For p60 (by that time, still 1 Peso to 1 Dollar) I got BBBJ, FS and kissing, and an extended session of 2+ hours. Didn't ask greek, but may have been available.

- Francesca from Platynum, December 2000. Asked p100 by that time (same as bars). Enhanced breasts, she asked p50 more for greek. Even though she put some effort, it wasn't a memorable session, since she did CBJ and didn't allow BBBJ. Also, she smokes like hell and answers the phone all the time.

- Tamara from Platynum-Massage section (also Marixa from www.gemidos.com.ar): She works at an apartment located at Esmeralda 847, and I visited her on December 2001. She is as advertised: Nice, firm body, soft skin. She provided a good massage and then provided CBJ and FS for additional p40. The place lacks privacy, and the girls seem to provide a somewhat mechanic service (closer to a quickie than to a GFE). As you may see in the pictures, there are only massage tables and no beds (sometimes a couch), so you may feel ackward performing FS there.

- Loly from www.sensualbaires.com. I visited her on July 2000 (long time ago...). p100 for a full session of 90minutes. She is as advertised, but looks more nervous and you can see some wrinkles in her face that you cannot spot from the pictures. She has breast implants, not natural at all. She provided BBBJ and asked additional p50 for greek. Since she was somewhat nervous (stupid comments, phony laugh), I didn't enjoy fully the session.

If I missed something, please visit my reports, in which I refer to some of these sessions.

Hope this helps,

Andres

Leo

10-05-02, 20:58

someone asked about barbarella (aka janet, agata).

report from aug - wysiwyg. weight is as in pix, same for age. she is a real sweetheart, a gfe, and sexy. wanted ar$200 for 2 hrs, i didn't try to bargain. we went to dinner first (off the clock), then back to hotel. she stayed the night, including morning sex, without any additional discussion to it.

but, i'll add these two points. her hair is fake, a braid. and she has a large mole/mark just side of her nose, which is mostly covered up in pix (tho it can be seen in some).

FatBastard

10-05-02, 21:19

HI,everone,This is my first post.Will be in B.A. Oct 9th for at least one week.Maybe longer if my money holds out.Will be at Hotel Republica.Will most likely confine my activities to the downtown area.E-mailed 2 internet chicas,got reponses from both.I told one that i was retired,retarded and handicapped.That was the last i heard from her.Didn't understand my humor i guess.First trip to B.A. but have been to Costa RIca many times.Worn out my welcome there.Never did get back to pre-Sept. 11 number and quality of chicas.Have sent many a night at the Del Rey in San Jose.If you are ever there check out the sex show Friday and Saturday nights at the Hotel Park.Any questions about Costa RicaI will try to answer.

lotsafun

10-06-02, 01:09

Originally posted by royal21
Hello ,
I'm new to WSG and very pleased to see everyone enjoying. I am about to take a holiday and argentina was the top candidate till i saw LA Larry's link for pattaya girls.

Boy ! i'm surely in a split decision :-) . I've never been to latin america so was looking forward to some chica action but i have to admit i do have a weakness for asian pussy.

Will someone please compare pattaya and BsAs as 10 day holiday options. this is my only holiday for the year and want a good mix of sight seeing , food and women . (i am assuming that both places give similar bang for the buck).

Royal
NY
Well, my plan is for BA later this year, although I've not been to either destination:

1)BA appears to be a world class city and cultural center - At this time I think of it as NYC at 70% off with from what I can tell lots of lovely and sweet women, who'll it appears will be much better and interesting companions. Pattaya seems to be a dumpy place, but in paradise. I'm not so hot on dirty beaches and polluted water.

From the photos I've seen of Thai and BA chicas, I think the BA chicas look much more appealing, to my tastes anyway.

ibiza007

10-06-02, 01:56

massajistas - maybe someone in BA needs something to do in the day.

massajistas - Ornela and Briza, Santa fe y Pelegrini, 4328-3512

Anna- Belgrano, 4786-2654, 15 5807-1010

BREEZE 1 ( 6 chicas ) esmeralda 847, piso 12 , dpto H, 1/2h $40, 1 h $50, combinadas, 1/2h $60, 1h $80, 4515-0213
A couple of cuties if, real photos.

Free Time - Gisell zona talcahuano y sta. fe 4815-5246,
1/2h $40, 1h $50

Give these a try if you are nearby and let us know if they are worth visiting.

Ibiza

Havanaman

10-06-02, 16:15

Ibiza007,

I'm going in December: this information is very good, thanks. One (ignorant.....) question. Are the prices you quoate in USD$ or Peso$ ?

Regards, Havanaman

EZE_Amante

10-06-02, 17:33

FATBASTARD,

(Hard to type while laughing), I'll be in BA on the 15th. Email me at ezeamante@yahoo.com, and I'll give you my hotel contact info if you're interested in getting together for an evening of mongering.

EZE :)

Andres

10-06-02, 20:52

Ibiza:

Francesca is really tall, so 1.78 is perhaps true.

Andres

FatBastard

10-06-02, 23:21

I plan to look at some apartments in B.A. while i am there.Possible plan to split the rent on one with some regular visitors.Research done on the internet shows some really nice apartments for around $1,000 US,split 3 or 4 ways that wouln't be too bad.Anybody interested e-mail me at ezed@mindspring.com.

Havanaman

10-07-02, 06:59

FATBASTARD,

I wish you luck in finding a place, and also to getting a group together (makes for an excellent orgy potential), however if your luck does not hold out, then can I recommend the following sites. I was passed the details below by a fellow WSG-er (who wants to remain unknown....) from when he visted BA a couple of weeks ago. He managed to get excellent accommodation for US$25 por noches.... And this for one of those Apart-plaze type studios (ensuit bathroom, kitchen facility, security at the front door.....). He was very happy with it, and was told that as long as he paid his rental, the place was his to do with as he pleased.... guests, parties etc. I'm going down these same line in December.

All the best, Regards, Havanaman

http://www.apartplaza.com.ar/

http://www.parera156.com/

http://www.alojargentina.com/hoteles.html

http://www.argentinatravelnet.com/cgi-bin/links/links2.pl?R-4708

http://www.hotel-argentino.com.ar/

BsAs Hotels directory: http://www.conexpo.com/hbuenosaires.htm

ibiza007

10-07-02, 13:21

Originally posted by Havanaman
Ibiza007,

I'm going in December: this information is very good, thanks. One (ignorant.....) question. Are the prices you quoate in USD$ or Peso$ ?

Regards, Havanaman

Havanaman,

I believe pesos as the site is in native tounge.

try www.masajes.com.ar/sensuales/index.html

Not sure what the base prices quoted include, we need a few brave soldiers to check this out.

Andres - she is tall, to bad about the rest of her review.

Ibiza

ibiza007

10-07-02, 13:27

In case anyone wants to save some research time, try this link.

www.girls59.com.ar/escorts.htm

This is one page with 55 links to escorts. I know the reviews on privates are bad, but there are surely a few gems to be found.

There are more than 55 links on the net for BA, but this is many of them in one page.

Ibiza

Havanaman

10-07-02, 17:21

ibiza007,

Thanks for the reply, and the sites! Yes I agree, the price is probably in Pesos ($). I'm still in the investigation phase, but I think I will give some of these sites chicas a try (...not sure about Andres, but I'm goning to go for breeze!!) and report back. However, we shall have to wait until December for me, perhaps someone else going sooner can comment....

Thanks again, Regards, Havanaman

OliverM

10-08-02, 00:29

Hi Together,

I was the from 25th sept. in Ba - it was my first time there. I have to say that I have studied in Madrid and that my spanish is fluent.
My freind and I stayed at DesignSuites - as we arrived we have had a reservation for the "Junior Suite" for 65USD plus tax. But these rooms are really small and we decided to upgrade to the MAster Suite for 100USD - very nice to stay.
I prepared all the trip with infos out of this forum and others as well - but I have to say that I was extremely dissapointed. In the streets, in the restaurants and the ships are usually only older people and the younger ones are compared to other south amercan destinations quite normal looking. We visited all clubs like shampoo, playwomen or black for 3 times - there are only 3-4 good looking women there and 2 of them were Brazilians. In the daytime we tried to call the girls of the websites like Platynum etc - 2 out of 10 are acceptable. The rest was fake or 10 years older. We always sended them away with a taxi tip. All in all the best place was the Pacha Disco were we have been in the VIP area and that was more or less OK. But I was really really dissapointed. So we booked a flight to Sao Paulo and Rio were I found the expexted hardware I'm looking for. I'm really picky guys and I'm not interested in having a night or even 2 hours with a average girl. Money isn't the problem and I have the impression that right now the scene there is bleeding out in case of their depression.

I booked upfront the journey my new year trip to BA and Punta del Este but I will cancel this for sure for a Brazil trip - the hardware there is really better and in another quantity than in BA.

If you're interested in more details please post.

Good night

Olli

JamesBond69

10-08-02, 02:39

>I booked upfront the journey my new year trip to BA and Punta del Este but >I will cancel this for sure for a Brazil trip - the hardware there is really better >and in another quantity than in BA.
>If you're interested in more details please post.

This post is appreciated. I speak Spanish, so I'm more inclined to go to Argentina rather than Brazil /Rio. In general the chicas in Rio are hot and attractive but found the "danger" level a bit high in Rio on my last visit five years ago more than I wanted to handle. Argentina seems to be going down the same path, safety wise.

The BA photos of the Saint were a bit disappointing in some ways, just a level above the usual 7's in San Jose, CR and there seems to be a concern recently that the BA internet girls are falsely advertised.

I was in BA about ten years ago but not for the hobby and really enjoyed the city and inhabitants. I want to return to BA for hobby purposes. Quality rather than cut rate prices is paramount.

I know that all this is subjective but can someone reply to this post with a counter argument based on experience?

Is the poster correct. Are there 10's (Penelop Cruz is a 10 in my book) in BA or just whorey looking hookers with fake boobs and five kids to support. I go for semi-pros with GFE, with looks and a degree of personal charm and culture.

Octatron

10-08-02, 02:52

Can you tell us more about Pacha Disco?

Thanks.

ezy

10-08-02, 09:46

Bond, James Bond: I love BA. Yes, it is changing. No, not all changes are for the better.

But BA is still basically the same charming city you visited 10 years ago. Only now everything costs less. Much less.

Is it more dangerous? Slightly. There has been an undeniable increase in petty theft. Certainly You should exercize a bit more caution when venturing out at night. But let's place the crime rate in perspective.

What fool in his right mind would walk around on the downtown streets of San Francisco, Detroit, Miami or any other large U.S. city alone and drunk? No, a cautious person would take a cab rather than strolling down a dimly lit street. The same is true in Buenos Aires.

In late August I walked up and down Junin street in Recoleta at 2 in the morning and felt perfectly safe....Junin is "restaurant row" in Recoleta and was jammed with people...Precautions: I wore a newly purchased Timex rather than my Tag. I left the bulk of my cash in the security box in my room. I placed some of my money in a money pouch and stuffed it down my pants.

I had a ball in the restaurants and clubs in and around the center of Recoleta. But When I got ready to return to Art Suites I hailed a radio cab, whereas formerly I would have walked the 5 or 6 blocks down a not-so-well traveled street to my hotel....
With these simple precautions I experienced no difficulty and never once felt endangered....

Chica quality. I prefer quality over quantity. I look for GFE's from non-hardened chicas. BA has never disappointed me. Never. Not in August 2001 on my first visit or in August 2002, my most recent visit.

I visited three or four clubs in August......

Affaire in Recoleta was chock full of inviting chicas, many as young as 19 and ranging to late 30s. I also visited Blandish, a new club. Here I met a chica in her younger 20s. Brunette. Friendly. Great conversationalist.

One night we ventured out to another barrio, Floresta. The clubs here were full of 8s and 9s....I spent time with an 8plus brunette, tall, slender, medical student who works at night to put herself through school....I found another brunette to my liking (do you detect my weakness for raven haired Latinas?) in Ness in the downtown areaon a Sunday evening, not the best of nights.....Again, she was incredibly sweet and eager to go the extra mile to please.

A caveat....I have a chica favorita in BA with whom I spend the majority of my time, but on the two nights I ventured out with a group of guys we had no problem finding chicas of quality. I never invite a chica home if I don't find her attractive. And I don't seal the deal in the club until I have spent enough time with her to get a feel for the kind of person she is....if she sends out vibes that she is not going to provide a GFE, I don't care how attractive she is....I'm not going with her. I have found that if you treat chicas with respect, take a personal interest in them, and don't bargain too much....it pays tremendous dividends.

This having been said, every ****** is different in terms of the way we interact with chicas and what we are looking for looks-wise....but for my money, I'm on a plane for BA every chance I get.....including later this month and again next month.....Hey, I already have a ticket in hand for February as well....and I may go one more time between my already scheduled trips in November and february.....

Jamesbond....the money may be of less importance to you, but I have used what I save in chica costs now that the peso has been devalued to purchase additional tickets to BA.....I can go 4 times now for what I would have spent in the predevaluation days for two trips.....

ps....not one of the chicas I was with was hardened or had fake boobs.....Since I am interested in getting to know a chica before I take her home I do not use internet services very often. March was the last time I had a net-girl visit me.....She was from Platynum. Her pix were of her and recent. The experience was excellent.....

LA Larry

10-08-02, 10:45

James Bond--

Lemme try to shed some light on your concern about the chicas in BA.

There is a vast pool of talent to choose from. The majority of the girls in the clubs (when you get right down to it) are 5-7s and basically look like the whorish girls you fear exist down there. (If we are to be perfectly honest)

But if you are patient and bounce about to 2 or 3 clubs on a given evening (my favorite club was Playwoman) you will have no problem finding a chica whose face rivals Penelope Cruz (who in my book is actually sort of average--a 7.5--a tad mousy!)

In a club like Blacks, there are about 30 girls working. Most of these gals are 6s-7s. But when I was last there (in March of 2002) I always saw a few that had absoultely stunning looking faces that rivaled Salma Hayek, Penelope Cruz etc.....(Although, sometmes, the really beautiful faced girls in Blacks didn't have perfect bodies, small tities, flat ass/ fat ass).

I personally experienced several girls in Argentina that would rate as American Stripper/Porn Star quality girls. (Huge tits, tiny waists, heartshaped asses, sexy faces).

These "super chicas" (as my Argentino friend calls them) are the reason to go the clubs. Some nights she'll be there. Other nights she won't....You will have to ferret out a that special girl--what a tough decision! (What do you do when you are in a club--and you are forced to chose between a beautiful faced chica with no tits and a little pot belly--or an sex goddess with 36DD tits, a perfect ass--BUT, an average face??? WHAT WILL YOU DO? Will you go home solo and jack off? Or will you drop $150 pesos to find out if the average faced sex goddess knows how to deep throat?

So to answer your question--you are not going to find a smorgasbord of perfect tens whoring themselves in BA bars. That's not a realistic ideal in which to purchase your plane ticket and you will be disappointed when you arrive.

Remember--a perfect 10 anywhere in the world can command a lifestyle for herself that doesn't involve whoring with strangers (She can be the private ***** for a wealthy guy instead).

But as far as I am concerned, BA was the best experience I ever had. There is huge quantity. And there is also quality

You just need to search and you are virtually assured of finding and having a chica better looking than your Penelope Cruz standard...I would say your chances of finding this girl (for 200 pesos mind you) is around 90%.

Now go and report back!

MoonDog

10-08-02, 11:32

EZY and LA Larry,

Nice posts form both of you. There are times when you go to the clubs, and you think the quality is going downhill fast. yet there are other times that it will amaze you.

Thanks again,

Moondog

Saint

10-08-02, 12:35

Jamesbond69,

Everything is relative in life. I also don't think Penelope Cruz is a 10. Personally, I saw many girls hotter than her but that was in my opinion. That's why these message boards will only do so much good. If you want to find out for sure you have to get your behind down there and find out for yourself.

One man's heaven is another man's hell. I'm sure that not everyone will like Buenos Aires. Out of 30 some guys that emailed me that have been down since May.... only one found his experience bad or lackluster.

I do think the talent has deteriorated there. Due to the economy. That's why guys that think all of us Americans going down there "are going to ruin the scene" just plain don't know what they are talking about. Unless there is more "money" for the working girls.....they will go to other cities where the economy is better. As far as I'm concerned..the more Americans that go down right now the better.

Buenos Aires isn't a city like Rio where there are tons of daytime action. Even though I find BA to be heaven, some of you need to come to reality. No city in the world is a city full of "10's" waiting to spread their legs for a few pesos. If you're looking for 10's Jamesbond69... there are plenty here in the USA in the escort scene. Just expect to pay upwards of $300 or $400 per HOUR.

No matter what you read on these boards. Go into your vacation with a reasonable expectation. Don't expect to walk into all the clubs finding "9's and 10's" that will sleep with you for pocket change. It just ain't happening.....JHMO.

Good luck all.

Leo

10-08-02, 13:21

ezy,
could you please post some detail on the places in floresta barrio, like names/streets/costs/times? thx!

octatron,
i was at pacha in nov-01. it's your typical non-hobby night spot. a large disco, filled with dinner tables from about 10p-midnight, and then the tables are removed by 1a and it's an open disco. vip area behind ropes in a balcony, otherwise it's one large rectangular room (vs. a multi-room type environment like rivera este, which i like more).

i didn't recognize any girls there looking for money to go home. i did hit on several, and was rejected vs. being asked for money (like at say shampoo in sep-02). i didn't think the quality of girls was that high for my lofty expectations, but it very well might have been an off night, as my local friends did say pacha is among the hottest spots happening now.

ezy

10-08-02, 15:35

Leo,

Sorry, I don't recall the street addresses or names of the places we visited in Floresta.....We went with a taxi driver/boliche guide named CarlosDalbosco...phone in BA: 4652-5758 or cell 15-4470-3963. He charged $USD5 per hour for one guy, slightly more for the three of us (I think it was USD 1-2per hour more each).....He took us to places that were well off the usual gringo chica club path....Very friendly and knowledgeable.

Andres

10-08-02, 16:43

Leo:

If you see my postings of July 2002 (about pages 24-27 of this thread), you will read about some of my experiences in Flores (I think that ezy went to Flores, since Floresta used to lack bars and saunas).

Most of them are around Rivadavia Av. and San Pedrito Av.:

- ARTIGAS/TOP SECRET: Artigas St and Juan B Justo Av. (At Artigas, 30 yards from the corner).

- Corner of Artigas St and Juan B Justo Av: A bar similar to those of Suipacha St

- SCORPIONS: Juan B Justo Av and 2-3 blocks south of Nazca Av. (neon lights, can't miss it). It was closed on July.

- MARAHA: Juan B Justo Av and 2 blocks south of Artigas St (similar neon lights as Scorpions). Also closed in July.

- LA FUENTE (La Fuente St. and Rivadavia Av.) Blue neon lights. Used to be one of my favorites.

- ENVIDIA (Rivadavia Av. and the 1st parallel street to Nazca Av.): Probably the place that ezy went.

- DOLYS/LA NUIT Directorio Av. and San Pedrito Av. See my previous experience

- LIZA: Directorio Av. and San Pedrito Av, in the opposite walkway of La Nuit.

- MONACO: Juan Bautista Alberdi Av. and San Pedrito Av. Huge neon lights.

Some remarks:
1) Most of these places are hit or miss. Yo may find high quality one day and poor quality the next.
2) The only English you will hear there comes from the jukebox. These places cater for locals, so speaking Spanish is somewhat necessary.
3) 3 years ago, I could avoid being robbed myself and my car when cruising for SW in the parallel streets of Rivadavia Av. (I was really lucky) Be careful.
4) Renting a cab as ezy did is a very smart choice. However, you may take a "remise" (livery) or a taxi and they shouldn't charge more than $10 for a trip from Downtown to Flores.
5) These places are prone to offer quick services (30 min - 1 hour)rather than toda la noche sessions.

By the way, if you dare to hit the off-the-beaten-track, you may want to go to:

- YAMILA (Av Pavon 1800 or 2000, Avellaneda). The neighborhood is made of low-middle class people, so it may be a little scary and not always safe, but I heard that Yamila was reopening on September. It used to host 30-50 girls from Argentina, Paraguay, Brazil, Dominican Rep and others (Bolivia). It used to be really cheap: Only $10 for 30 minutes with a stunner!

Hope this helps,

Andres

ezy

10-08-02, 17:13

andreseg is the man. He knows BA...and he is right on several counts...

1)It was Flores no Floresta.

2)Most of the girls specialized in 30 minute sessions in a crib next to the club.

3)English is not spoken for the most part, although the med student I took to the crib next door spoke excellent English. But this is an area that caters to locals, not gringos....

4) Carlos owns a remis, not a taxi. His $5USdollars per hour service includes driving you to various locations, going in with you and drinking cokes while you down Cuba libres or cervezas, waiting while you go off to a cubicle to bang your favorita of the moment, and driving you home....Much more than a taxi ride...

I can't comment on the hit or miss nature of the clubs other than to say how amazed I was to find the best looking girls I saw on my trip (with the exception of my favorita,of course)...in a barrio far from the boliches that cater to gringos and gringo-dollars....
Some of the girls we saw were 9s...with a lot of 8s.....mostly younger than their Recoleta/downtown counterparts and much less "experienced" looking...

LA Larry

10-08-02, 17:26

Boys--

In this vein, I would only bring to everyone's attention once again the nearby city of La Plata.

Jackson went on an excursion partially based on my tout. If you read his report, he seems to conclude that it is worth further investigation. (He did find a place and scored a decent girl).

I can assure you that when I was in La Plata, I was extremely pleased by the club that I visited.

Tried to dig up the name from my contact down there and he reiterated "Estrellas" which Jackson couldn't find (it probably closed, many places have in the meltdown).

Anyway-my point is--many of you all are heading down there in November and December...

If you have a free day/evening, I strongly suggest hiring a limo to drive you (45 minutes) to La Plata. (no more than $20 US Dollars).

Get a hotel in the center of the city and then snoop around. Grease some palms. Unearth the chica bars.

Your diligence will be rewarded 10 fold.

Why?

La Plata is a University city and is chocked full of 18-21 year old hotties. A small percentage suplement their incomes by working a few nights a week in the clubs.

These girls are legitimate students and very different than the girls of BA and Mar Del Plata.

If you have time check out La Plata.

rob_roy5

10-08-02, 19:52

Originally posted by ezy
Bond, James Bond: I love BA. Yes, it is changing. No, not all changes are for the better.

I'm on a plane for BA every chance I get.....including later this month and again next month.....

Hello Ezy,
I wonder if your are gonna be in BA between the 26th of October and the 02nd of November .... sonce I'll be there during that time, it would be great to hook up for some mongering ... I'll be coming from Europe and it will be my first time in BA even if, after reading the board for 9 months now, I feel almost familiar with the great city .... Anyubody else in BA during that time, please feel free to contact me through the board or @ rob_roy5@hotmail.com
I'll be staying in Design Suites.

Cheers, Ro

ezy

10-09-02, 12:09

Rob_Roy. Yes, I will be in Buenos Aires during part of your stay. I arrive on the 21st and leave on the 28th. I sent you an email with contact information. I enjoy helping to "initiate" newbies to Buenos Aires.....especially guys who already recognize it as a "great" city....

DownBA

10-10-02, 20:12

Will be in BA the second week of November....will anybody be there that might want to go to some Recoleta clubs one night? I plan on checking out some of the Clarin classified ads that advertise "Colegiales" or "Universitaria" or "Lolita" as I speak very good Spanish and communicating on the phone or in person isn't a problem for me. Also plan on checking out Playwoman, Ness, Sadoma, Blacks, Solid Gold, etc, etc. This will be my fourth time in BA and I can't wait, I'm foaming at the mouth. Anybody want to get together? DownBA

Bandy

10-11-02, 18:38

DownBA

I will be at Etoile from Nov. 9 -17. We might get together sometime. Where are you staying?

Bandy

DownBA

10-11-02, 19:52

Bandy, I'm not booked yet but I'm actually thinking of staying at Etoille. Would you mind if I asked the deal you worked out there? I'm about to book somewhere and there are lots of choices but Adriana, webmistress at www.platynum.com just recommended Etoille to me, says it's very chica friendly, etc. And, yes, I'm going to be in the 9th through the 14th so we can definetely hang a bit. Another hotel I'm thinking of that's a great place, only in Palermo, but only a 5 minute cab ride to Recoleta, is called Torre Cristoforo Colon and I've stayed there, very nice place and at the moment they seem to be practically giving rooms away. Adriana seems to think this hotel is very chica friendly too. DownBA

BA_Robert

10-11-02, 22:08

DownBA and bandy

Iam going to be at the Etoile from the 13-23 November. Iam planning to hit the clubs like Blacks (really near the Etoile), PlayWoman and Solid Gold.

Never been to BA myself but Iam a long time reader of this site. It seems that one of the great advantages with the Etoile is that it is very close to all the clubs (walking distance in fact) and very chica friendly.

I have some information on the rates at the Etoile for longer stay as they call it (think they mean 5 days or more) which I can send you guys.

Iam intrested in getting together during my stay.

BA_ROBERT

JamesBond69

10-11-02, 22:42

>I have some information on the rates at the Etoile for longer stay as they call it (think they mean 5 days or more) which I can send you guys.
---------------
I don't know exactly when I will be in BA, probably MDP and maybe La Plata (can't wait!) but it will probably be sometime before the end of the year.

Expect a full detailed report, as payback for all the great info I've received from this board.

I will stay for two weeks to a month at the Etoile, as all reports on this board indicate it is chica friendly and very well located. Seems the best bet, despite lumpy beds, tacky wallpaper, and no in-room internet access, a bummer, since the internet is a bit of an addiction and also pays the rent.

What rates (in cash dollars) have been quoted for Etoile:
one day daily rate?
more than five days?
One month?

DownBA

10-12-02, 00:53

BA-Robert, would you please post your email address and I'll email you as I'd like it if you shared your info on rates at the Etoille for 5 days or more since I'm going to be staying for exactly 5 nights. I'm leaving the day after you get there but I'd be happy to show you around if you like the night you get in. DownBA

Chuponalgas

10-12-02, 00:58

BA-ROBERT, ET AL.
Two Middle Aged Jedi Whoremasters Will be in BA 11/15-11/26.
First time BA but speak Spanish and lotsa world experience. Hookups? chuponalgasSPAMyahoo.com (replace spam with @)

Bandy

10-12-02, 12:55

DownBA

I will be in Diplomatic Suite @194 peso +tax. Rates for Executive suite is 175 p +tax. The discount is substantial as compared to their regular rates. May be it is due to the length of the stay, which for me will be over a week. There is no extra charge for paying by the credit card, which is one of my primary requirements. I gather from the board discussions that some other area hotels are charging 14% extra for this option. One of the posters here eluded that Etoile provided free round trip transportation from the airport. I was not offered that. It costs 45 peso each way. They will send a private car. This will be my first time in BA. However, I have some experience with other parts of the world. Pura vida,

bandy

BA_Robert

10-12-02, 15:20

The information I got from the Etoile is:

Standard rooms (with double bed or twin bed) room size 26 m^2.
Executive rooms (size 42m^2)
Diplomatic rooms (size 64m^2)

All rooms include jacuzzi, minibar, cable, balcony, individual heating, air con, internet outlets (altough some posts see below claim it doesn't work), international direct dialling etc...

All rooms also includes American Buffet Breakfast, access to spa and parking.

The room rates I got for a longer stay is;

Standard room 145 peso + 21 percent tax
Executive room 170 peso + tax
Diplomatic room 194 peso + tax

This seems to be about the same as "bandy" reported below. However Iam not sure about the term "longer stay". I asked if this meant 5 days or 5 days+weekend and got a very cryptic answer. However I got these prices, but then Iam staying longer than a whole week.

I suggest anyone who is interested to email their information desk (reservas@etoile.com.ar).

They also have a website as many already know (www.etoile.com.ar). One can make reservations online on this website. However, one has to give them a creditcard no. and since their reservation form isn't a internet secure one, I suggest that you call them on the phone (54 11 4805 2626 from abroad). Calling Argentina seem to be increadible cheap so dont worry about the costs of a phone call, better to be secure.

Information I got on shorter stay or rack rates as they call them are:

198+tax, 225+tax, 250+tax for standard, executive and diplomatic rooms respectively. I got these rates a couple a weeks ago but should be pretty much the same now.

DownBA

10-12-02, 16:03

Thank you Bandy and BA-Robert, I think I'm sold and if they'll offer me the same deal for a 5 night stay I think I'll be seeing you guys at the Etoille. I've usually stayed in either Palermo or Belgrano which are great places to experience too but I think I want to be in the heart of the action this time.

Just one thing guys, do these rates include the priviledge of having a chica stay overnight without extra charge?

See you guys there. DownBA

royal21

10-13-02, 07:58

Dear WSG ers,
I'm really burning with envy for those who get to go to BA so frequently. But also appreciate the regular and detailed posts.

I am a software (internet sites) consultant myself and want to go to BA on vacation and hobby. Work wise i never get a chance to move out of east coast. I wonder what takes everybody else to BA ? especially those who fly there every month?

I am desperately looking for an excuse to make a business trip out of it (will have to show some revenue from there).

Best of luck to those going there shortly.

Royal

oldguy

10-13-02, 11:44

Royal21

I'd guess that a lot of the people who frequently hit BA these days are in the travel industry (i.e. airlines). The economy is so dead, and with the collapse of the peso, the Argentines sure aren't buying much beyond the essentials from overseas.

The one place their economy still sputters along is in the area of agriculture--export of wheat, leather, soy products. They SHOULD be exporting tons of the above plus wine, because their prices are so cheap. However, their brilliant government, desperate for cash, actually taxes EXPORTS!. Talk about keeping the economy down!

Until the dot.bomb implosion a couple of years ago, the Internet and e-commerce were hot topics down here. Startup Internet companies like Patogon.com really made it seem as though there would be a brilliant future in technology in Argentina, and an excuse for you to come and play, err...work. It's pretty dead now.

I'm in Bs As from this coming Thursday 'til the following Wednesday, if anyone wants to meet up with a middle-aged, horny guy who speaks Spanish with an Argentine accent.

BA_Robert

10-13-02, 16:17

DownBA

I dont think bringing a guest will cost anything. All room rates are for one or two persons according to their website. Wheter you have a standard, executive or diplomatic room it shouldn't be a problem. Never stayed their myself but all posts on this site claim that it is no problem.

Maybe bandy could sheed some light on this. I dont know if it depends on what kind of room you got.

BA_ROBERT

Saint

10-13-02, 17:05

Everyone should probably keep all the "hotel" posts to the hotel section. That's what it's there for. If you'll go back you'll see I posted extensively on Etoile. Etoile has a strict guest policy. They are VERY chica friendly but they do NOT allow more than one chica up at a time. So if you're thinking about 3 somes than you better scratch Etoile off your list.

The night staff could sometimes be bribed to look the other way but sometimes no. Plus, they asked that you had the chicas out by early morning. Also, I'd highly recommend my travel agent. Her rates for the Diplomatic Suite at Etoile is less than booking direct with them. (mayra@argentinago.com). Or just go to her website and you can see the rates to all the hotels she contracts with. www.argentinago.com

Royal 21 & Oldguy,

NO. The vast majority of the guys going down are NOT in the travel industry. Only one dude I know is in the industry. The rest of us are just normal guys that love everything about the city including the girls. If you want to go down...just make it happen. Anything in life is possible if you want it bad enough. Life is good.

Saint

DownBA

10-13-02, 19:05

Saint, Thanks for your advice. I went on Myra's site and booked the Suite Diplomático for $187 pesos per night plus the 21% tax. Sounds like a great price for a great, chica friendly place to park while I take care of some business and pleasure. By the way, it's good to see you're posting again, I was beginning to think you were seriously ill or something, not having seen a single post for days after your record-setting run of consecutive-day posting. Even though I've been to BA several times I still read all your advice (and all the other great posters, Ezy, La Larry, Moondog, UWPhoto and all the other BA mavens, THANKS TO YOU ALL) and will try to apply as much of it as possible during my next visit early November. Unfortunately I'll only have 5 nights to have fun though I ought to be able to pack an awesome time into 5 nights! Will try to return your efforts with some good, detailed posting from the internet cafes while down there.

By the way, to all of you guys going down soon or who are there now, don't think beef is the only great food in BA: their chicken is among the best in the world too, try a common dish found all over La Capital Federal called "Pollo al Verdeo", it's a chicken in a creamy, herbal sauce to die for. Also, try the pastas, they're the best pastas outside of Italy, maybe even better, but then, who can think about food with a city full of the sexiest women available on the planet for outrageously low rates due to the current currency exchange. DownBA

royal21

10-13-02, 21:09

thanks oldguy and saint,

seems like going there on a vacation would suit me better than thinking of a work reason.

From the posts here i assume most to be americans or of latin american origin, is all discussion about clubs and women relevant to an asians also ?

I am from india (north) and follow sikh religion. But unfortunately get counted as a muslim from middle east because i wear a turban (head gear) too. I have been all over europe and japan before sep 11 but the dull economy did not allow me to take a vacation till date.

What is the general outlook of argentinians towards non-us tourists ? I was told by couple of friends that south america does not get whole lot of asian tourists. So they would have no way of distinguishing a sikh from a muslim. And that in late 2001, they were very hostile to muslims.

I could not find any news article to that effect on the internet (in english) but will appreciate advise from the regulars.

I think i have a spirit of adventurer inside me and find satisfaction in totaly new places and tastes. BA holds the promise of that excitement. I do not know the language, have no idea about food , customs and culture. Exploring all that on my own and trying to score with some nice chicas will be what i'm looking for.

But i definately do not want everything to get screwed because of what i look like.

Andres

10-14-02, 13:26

Royal21:

Argentinians are accustomed to Panamerican and European tourists. If you appear with a head gear in Buenos Aires you will draw significant attention everywhere.

I recommend you that you leave the head gear at home. Girls in clubs will be wary about going out with you. Unfortunately, people there think that most Asians are not very hygienic, so you may need to break that prejudice if you wear that (girls will go out with you anyway but probably will not provide a GFE if you wear that).

To give you an idea of how much Argentinians know about he Muslim world, they call the former president Menem as "Turkish", while his family came from Yabrud, Syria. Every Muslim here is a "Turkish", regardless of Sunnit, Shiit or any other branch, because most Argentine Muslim immigration came from Turkey.

If you go without head gear and are somewhat sophisticated (like many Indian classmates I met), you won'tdraw too much attention and girls will like to meet you.

Hope this helps,

Andres

Havanaman

10-14-02, 14:39

Royal21

Firstly let me qualify that I have not yet visited BA (I am booked to go in December), but I am well travelled to other Latino countries. Also I do not know the ways and wherefores of what the Argentineans will think of your turban (head gear, pagh).

However, I have a number of Sikh friends and when a few of us go out to clubs (in Europe) they take the turban off. They tie their long hair, sleeked back, into a pony tail. This is very effective, indeed very evocative when they dress sharp. Actually, it is very reminiscent of Latino macho-men.

I agree with Andres' last paragraph about sophistication. I have a feeling if you try this method you will fit in more easily than with your pagh on. I would go so far as to say that it could turn into a chica puller.

Regards, Havanaman

Marcos

10-14-02, 18:33

In a pinch, jump to the short version at the bottom.

*** Narrative version including standard Argentina mantra

Monger or not, there is only a limited number a of 'must see' places in the world, and among these are Argentina and Buenos Aires.

First of all, the peso value thing, it's like something screaming for revenge. At the time I was in B.A. the peso changed 3.6 for a dollar, the average salary was 400 pesos, and you could buy sex not to forget for 200.
Now, if that was third world, that would be normal. But in BA you may very well believe you're in a Paris with the sun, to use a weared-out say.
I don't know jack about the IMF, econopolitics or whatelse, but let me tell you that whoever has brought Argentina to the present condition must have been stealing big time, and for a long time.

For your stay, my personal recommendation is the Art Suites. These are posh mini-apartments with kitchen and jacuzzi in the heart of Recoleta. Among the amenities, you'll be able to monitor the main door on the street on TV. It was nice to see my chicas waving goodbye! As mentioned in the posts in the Hotels section, this place has class and the management doesn't like to see it patronized by slobs. If your plan is to have girls in and out 24/7, it won't be the right place for you. Else, use a little discretion, and you'll be OK.
I was a bit bothered by the fact that WSG was down at that time, and I didn't printed the essentials, but Tio Otto was so kind to send me an abridged version of his hitchhiker guide to BA, thanks Tio !

You'll find all what you need in Recoleta neighborhood. I needed a socket converter for my ThinkPad, and readily got it from the minuscule hardware store next door, that I believe carries as many items as Home Depot. Haircut, restaurants, gym, tanning, pharmacy and more debaucheries aren't more than few doors away.

In the afternoon I was ready to see the city, and why not, visit some apartment ladies, just to familiarize a bit with the place. I called Celeste and turned out to be a good choice. She looks like that soccer mom that you would be happy to screw at home (if I were screwing a soccer mom, I would feel sorry for the kids, as she would be always late to pick them up). She has a nice small apartment on Esmeralda, and she's a very easy person to talk, with a sense of humor, her advertised 'bar service' is actually the coffee that she boils for you. I liked the relaxed atmosphere, we had a beautiful weather and enjoyed plenty of sex in full daylight, no rush and a lot of attention to details.

I don't remember now what I did after that but must have been of little importance, and soon I found myself at Playwoman for the first time. I quickly hooked-up with Andrea, a very pretty young chica, plaited blonde, smooth pale skin and a bubbly personality. Further investigation revealed full C-cup breasts icing a toned petite body. We went to my place and we had quite a good time, maybe a bit rushed because the non-negotiable house rules wanted her back at the club. I asked her to come to visit me next morning for the flag rising ceremony, went to sleep, and when the doorbell rang my heart jumped. But it was just the breakfast instead. She left me her card but I couldn't get ahold of her in the following days, altought I tried.

After another interval of hobby unrelated activities I began toy picking on Platynum again. I think there is a difference with the US regarding ads websites too. Open any American escort’s website and you'll find many ads to be full of BS, sales pitches about how paradisiacal the service will be, and few obscured pretentious pics. Some e-commerce oriented girls even mimic the corporate website with frames, online reservation, and other crap. The Argentinean websites go right down to the business, the main page has pic thumbnails and on each chica's page you find just the necessary info plus some eloquent photos of course. Yes, these pics could be re-touched too but I think it doesn’t happen in too many cases.

Anyway, I was in the mood for a massage and on the appropriate section found Wanessa that was very kind both on the phone and in person. She asked if I wanted to choose another (older) lady there, but I stick with her and proved right. Boys, whoever is the woman who invented the massage+sex combo should be remembered in history, and Wanessa maintained this ancient tradition giving a complete strong and deep massage, in a spacious room with music and fragrances and a good fuck afterward. She kept her revealing smock but allowed no touching during the massage session. This had a definite good effect, stimulated my curiosity and expectations. After the massage that cost just $40, she made me aware of the extras in a very nice way never mentioning a price. So we went to work on the table in various positions. I think that a massage table is actually a great platform for sex, I don't quite understand people that complain about that, do they really prefer a low and soft bed where any good push is absorbed by the mattress rather than thrust into your partner's body? Anyway, she was very accommodating and clean, she left briefly to take an extra shower before I went down on her. I left the place totally relaxed and in one of the best moods since years. I invited her to come to see me at the hotel the following day and we had a nice conversation over lunch at the restaurant on Azcuénaga’s corner, plus a couple of close matches in my room. That day was very hot, and I remember sweating profusely, thing that is also very good for the health if you think about it.

One place that you probably want to avoid is the Triguto (sp?) Club on Cachabuco, that is where any cab driver will try to bring you. I went there out of curiosity, it had few girls and good electronic lounge music, spoke a while with a nice but not-so-hot-nor-young lady, she had kind of high demands, after I told her I wouldn't have meet her price she left me in company of two sharky Dominicans. I perceived bad vibes and quickly left. But it was cool to roam a little in the microcentre, look around while sitting in a cafe', you definitely get the feeling that action is just waiting to happen in a lot of unexpected places.

I meet at least one fellow from a southern State, he is a member of another board that is censored into asterisks when you mention it in a report, and he was having a great time too. Being both very busy businessmen, we just spoke on the phone, but I know he asked one of my chicas her number when he ran into her in the elevator. Nice try buddy, sorry it didn't worked out! :)

I think it was Friday or Saturday afternoon when I decided to call Jimena's ad from the newspaper, turned out to be next block from Art Suites. This girl is very sweet and has really nice long hair, feline eyes, she really intrigued me (sometime I wonder if I don't click just too easily). I wanted to spend more time with, fortunately she had no other dates and after I waited for her to get ready sipping a drink in nice bar around the block we went to Musee' Renault for dinner. This is a classy place and guaranteed to make a good impression. Very nice conversation in sweet company, after that we went back to the hotel where I took control of the situation, meaning I had her to relax and completely enjoy my oral attention plus few other tricks of the trade, and again we had a very good time. The only thing that didn't worked out 100%, is that she expected a bigger donation when she left, maybe for the time spent at dinner, but in all honesty I had gave her the right and more. Anyway she left a business card that disguises her services as an autocare shop, that is a nice idea, isn’t?

Saturday night is a very lively time in la Recoleta, and you will be safe walking among people even at late hours, the small shops will be always open for you to get beer, snacks and condoms. I heard kids singing and talking loud until morning, what a vibrant and youth atmosphere compared to major US cities that seems to be curfew’d after 1:30. Again I felt completely safe, the only sad sight that reminded me of the hard times that Argentina is living now were the people searching garbage for something they can use, or even for food outside the big restaurants that must be discarding big buffets.

Some other day (OK, my recollection has lost any continuity now) I went to Sodoma club instead of Playwomen. I didn’t go to Blacks at all, despite all the reports about the beautiful girls to be found there, over the years I have developed a strong allergy to attitudes (pros and not). Knowing that you're more likely to find that kind of women there, I happily passed on that place.
Sodoma is an OK place, lot of girls and friendly staff. Now you may say that most of the girls in these clubs aren't up to your standards, however I often asked myself, wouldn’t you actually enjoy more if you pick, just for once, the slightly older and softer lady instead of that young hardbody stuck-up biatch? In fact, I did that once in TJ and did not regret it at all. However that was not the case that night and asked the young Amanda to sit with me. I think we danced a little, watched the stripper (that doesn't date) and left. It was funny because she begged me to wait while she was picking up her stuff to leave. She told me that some guys wander around and get distracted as soon they are left alone - LOL. Anyway, off we went and after a pit stop for beer and cigarettes (Saint knows Amanda habits too) we were in my suite relaxing and chatting. I have to say that Amanda speaks pretty good English although I kept practicing my Castellano as the usual. She spoke about lot of stuff, most of it didn’t really made much sense to me, but I came to the conclusion that (1) working girls have their mindtrips too and (2) I like better a girl that talks a lot and fucks with a will rather that a too quiet and passive one. It was really late when she left and I finally crashed for a well deserved rest.

This is pretty much all what I can tell about my first BA trip. This Forum’s tradition wants that I wrap-up the report saying how much I miss it, and how badly I want to be back soon. Well, that's very true, so I took the sure remedy, airplane tickets.

*** Short, factual version

Celeste, from Platynum, 4311-2514. Sweet lady, 30+, soft body, OK face, blonde short hair. Great cowgirl technique (look ma, no knees), looks to me it's her favorite. Great kisser, and great bare blower. p$ 150, no rush.

Andrea - Playwoman 15-5312-3753, young and, blonde pretty face with green eyes and somewhat petite (but not too much) toned body. Very willing to make you happy, good performance for (I think) 200. I don't think she's will do BBBJ.

Wanessa, from Platynum massages 4328-8726. Brazilian, a little too strong and heavy for my taste, not fat at all. Impressive ass and enhanced breasts, not a model's face. She's a trooper and it takes a lot to fatigue her - IF you actually can. Good BBBJ after negotiation. Going rate.

Jimena or Amira on escortsbaires.com, apt. in Recoleta 15-5400-3328 , long brown hair and beautiful cat eyes. Tight body, very sweet and somewhat reserved personality, accommodating if you ask the right way. Everything covered if I remember, no rush and overall a very nice experience. Going rate but negotiate clearly if you want to spend extra time with her.

Amanda, Sodoma. Red-haired (and I mean carrot), skinny, messed-up teeth and smokes. But young, pretty and fun to be with. Speaks English, talks a lot but will make you happy. 150 p$

MoonDog

10-14-02, 21:26

Birds, robbers, and changes in Buenos Aires

The Peso devaluation has brought a lot of joy to the faces of travelers visiting Buenos Aires, and yet I was wondering how long it would be before some of our favorite clientele woke up and realized that they need to speak up about their situation and ask for some additional help. This was brought to light recently in two different situations.

During the past year or so, I‘ve never discussed a monetary value with a guest, as normally it was not necessary as prices were relatively stable. In the first six months or so of the Peso devaluation, there was immediate benefit to the visitors from the U.S., and a bit of confusion among our some of our favorite people. They did not really seem to understand how their services needed to be adjusted in order to offset this process to their benefit. We increased the Peso amount slightly, and to them that was fine. I faced sticker shock the other day though, when, in the taxi leaving Cafe Orleans, the subject of monetary reward came up. I told her no problem, and we proceeded to have a pleasant afternoon. At the end of the session, she told me that 250 pesos plus taxi was not enough for her, and she demanded 550 for the total mediocre time of 1 and ½ hours. She said that 150-200 pesos was ok for an Argentinean man, but not for a U.S. man. After a few words back and forth, nobody was going to part on good terms. Being tired of the attitude, I just asked her to leave, and that was it. Neither of us was satisfied about the outcome, and this was just chalked up to a bad experience, one of the very few in over three years.

Shortly after this episode, I am still vibrating from all of this, so it is with dexterity that I engage into a conversation with a pretty and affectionate lady for the purpose of dragging her out of Affaire, and into my arms for the rest of the night. She says 300, and I say ok. It was a wonderful night, until it was found out that 300 meant dollars, not pesos. Maybe it was the beers, but I was kicking myself for not clarifying the denomination. I really did feel bad, and she accepted my apology, and we came to an agreement. I will see her again, and maybe this time take her shopping and show her a really nice time. After she left the next morning, sleep took over for the next few hours. Being Sunday, I decided to go out for an afternoon walk to clear my head and think about all of this. These were two different situations, but they happened within about 10 days of each other.

It was a beautiful Sunday afternoon, and Ave. de Julio was very quiet, perfect for walking. Some birds flying over decided it was a good time to practice their bombing runs as well, and I felt some moisture hit my face. At first I thought it was water from an air conditioner, but then three Asian people walking in a group right next to me, pointed out that it was bird shit. A lady had a bottle of water, and started to clean out the spots in my hair, and clean off spots on my shirt and jeans. Then her male friend started in as well. After the initial shock, the defense shields immediately went up, and I began to wonder if I was the target of the mustard scam, where the victim is being cleaned up by “helpful” people, while their money is being taken at the same time. That is one reason I wear jeans while out walking, as it is very easy to protect your money in the front pocket. One guy was really busy around my right front pocket, and I may have been a bit paranoid about all of this, but they did seem that they were really trying to help. I thanked them and stopped by a café to use the bathroom to clean off my shirt. Had this been the mustard scam, the mustard would not have come off at all, and this stuff came off quite easily with cold water. Satisfied that all the shirt needed was time to dry, I continued my walk to Café Orleans, planning to just have a sandwich, and enjoy the scenery, think about the past events, and pickup some small trinkets along Florida Street. I washed my clothes later, and everything came off just fine, but I still wonder how all of this “stuff” got on the back of my jeans as well, and was I the victim of a failed robbery attempt? My health and money were intact, but I will always be curious. Anyway, time to move on and just be cautious in the future.

As warm as it was that day, clothes never seem to dry very fast when you are wearing them, and true to form, one half of the shirt was still wet when I walked into Café Orleans. If there was ever a time I needed a good friend it was now, and there she was smiling at me. It was a girl I have known for a few years, and she as always been a good companion and friend. She asked me, with a smile on her face, if I had fallen in the river. We joked about what had happened, and then I asked her about the rates of the girls for a short time, and told her what transpired before with another girl from the same café. She indicated that 250-300 pesos was normal for a nice, unrushed time. That fact surprised me at first, as just recently, normal time was around 150-200 pesos. After thinking about it though, I believe she and the other girls are finally adjusting to the devaluation of the peso, and now are asking for a bit more. It is still a bargain for visitors from the U.S., but do not be surprised to hear sounds of higher amounts than was custom a few months and even a few weeks ago. Personally, I do not mind, as these girls (except for one) are beautiful inside and out, and can be a really nice friend over time.

So the river rat was talking to his friend, and all was well. She was slowly convincing me that I needed to relax with her in the hotel around the corner, sit in the hot tub together, have lunch brought in, and do all the right things. Later I could walk along Florida Street, as it would be cooler, and I would feel much better. Right during the high point of this discussion, a guy walks in, sticks a gun in the waiter’s ribs, and demands his money. He walked out with small bit of cash, and no one was hurt. This happened in a matter of about 30 seconds. After seeing that, it was quickly decided to advance to the higher stages of relaxation. 350 pesos and about 3hours later, lunch included, I was a new man. I had forgotten just how nice she was, and it was great to re-kindle a friendship. She deserved every penny, and I will see her again.

In closing, I would just like to point out that petty crimes and scams are still alive and well in this beautiful city, and for fellow BA travelers to always be careful. Prices of the ladies will always vary, and many will be with you for less than others. If you have a special lady friend though, or meet a girl that satisfies you in every way, a few extra pesos her way will keep her smiling, and will go a long way towards her looking forward to your return. It is still a bargain for us. Let’s keep it good for them as well.

Enjoy the life,

Moondog

Vampyr

10-15-02, 13:28

WOW, I guess I that is the end of the "brazil is tooo dangerous" talk. As an American I am always upset to find out when my fellow countrymen start to pay higher than local prices, because "its so cheap for us" they have no idea how this affects the society they are visiting and how it will affect future americans who visit. While people around the world protest globalization, dumb ass tourists decide to make whores the wealthiest people of third world nations. Soon enough when you visit the major breadwinners for the majority of the citizens will be whores...imagine what that does to the image and quality of life for the people there, When women start to make too much men come out of the woodwork and become pimps, you don't want that! because then the greedy pimps will not only put a tax or take all the money you payed the girl but then they will take it even further and set you up, and take everything you came with and if they are desperate enough they will aslo take your life. Never understimate what a human with no choice is capable of. I read an article about a few weeks ago about how "middle class" families in Buenos Aires are dumpster diving for food! Whole Families digging in the garbage looking for food, and the article noted that it is a popular trend, it will only take a matter of time before they go from waiting for it to be put into the trash, to taking it right when it is on sale. I am sorry for my rant, but that story is a little too familiar for me, and I would hate to see it go the way of many other poor countries, especially at such a volatile time for Argentina. To all future visitors I advise you to take be aware, not paranoid and be a little more timid in your spending spree, so that it will be enjoyable when hopefully make subsequent visits. Ciao.

Marcos

10-15-02, 17:17

Originally posted by Vampyr
WOW, I guess I that is the end of the "brazil is tooo dangerous" talk. As an American I am always upset to find out
....
and be a little more timid in your spending spree, so that it will be enjoyable when hopefully make subsequent visits.

I don't quite understand your message here. Are you simply chanting the old refrain "don't pay too much - don't spoil the market" ?
I have mixed feelings about this approach - there is the macho side that always want to dominate the deal, to go home with the most having spent the less. May be as men paying for sex we would just like to see our donation go toward zero - we have numerours examples by the fellows that aim for non-pro or semi-pro talent and won't spare anyone from mentioning that their total exposure amounted to a round of shopping.
But on the other hand, you have to think that prostitution is, in fact, a great equalizer. No matter what some people say, a typical working girl charges the same to everyone, and when a guy is simply above her tolerance level, he'll get a refusal one way or another. Sure, you'll get a better treatment if you're nice, clean and charming, but at the same time won't you also be inclined to tip more - exactly because you enjoyed a good time ?

I agree that girls that try to gauge customer's wealth should be avoided. In some way, they try to outsmart a job where, all in all, the real deal is somewhere else. I think that a girl that is really after the money, and realizes how much more an American can pay for sex, should focus on getting an US visa and trying her chances there, rather than appraising your wallet when working locally.
But again, searching for food in junk is not a nice thing as I have witnessed too, and if any extra dollar given to a girl can help her brother/kid/boyfriend not do that or to not to commit crimes, I would be happy. Maybe this is a naive tought but we can't be cynical all the time.

These few toughts as an example of how complicated the matter is, everyone is entitled to his own opinion - one sure thing is that this is not the right section on WSG - but hey that's WSG after all. Personally I encourage anyone to do some research on the current prices first, and then spend with fairness and (some) generosity before applying calculation and bargaining skills.

One thing I don't agree however, is that growth in offered sex services in Argentina will necessarily cause exploitation by pimps etc. I think this is more the case when prostitution is confined to streets, due to hypocrat laws or police repression, like the situation in the US and many EU countries that have an %80 foreign working force. Argentina however has a very realistic approach to the matter, most girls are local, so I think that pretty girls will keep making money with no 'protection' and stay indipendent , while aggressive guys will have to resort to something else for a quick buck.

Samwise

10-16-02, 01:49

I will be in BA/MDB Dec 1-8. This is my first trip there and would like to get together with fellow hobbyists for a night out.

sam__wise@hotmail.com

Havanaman

10-16-02, 12:33

Samwise,

I'm going to be in BA from 13 December, in the first instance for 10 days, but depending on fun, I may stay longer. Email me your dates ~ hook up would be excellent as I am also going for the first time.

Regards, Havanaman
sedition2001@hotmail.com

Admin

10-16-02, 19:39

Greetings everyone,

While I rarely have time to enter my own personal travel information after answering email and policing the forum every day, the recent postings herein regarding the prices being asked and paid by fellow travelers to Buenos Aires have compelled me to provide some guidelines on the subject.

I have been traveling to Argentina for several years now, including four trips this year and my current month-long stay. I am intimately familiar with the scene here, including all the clubs and venues mentioned and several others that seem to have escaped the attention of the other posters. I've have several friends here, as well as a number of personal relationships with my favorite girls in most of the clubs and bars. I've also had the opportunity to see first hand the effects of the country's recent economic problems on the attitudes of the people and the chicas.

There are just a few rules to follow when hobbying in Buenos Aires, and if you follow them your experiences will be greatly enhanced.

1. The current acceptable price for a session in your hotel with a chica from any of the night clubs and bars EXCEPT BLACKS (see below) is 150 pesos. This number has held firm for several years, although there is some recent upwards price pressure, and I have been asked for 170 to 180 pesos recently. However, 150 pesos is the price that the vast majority of chicas will accept if you are firm.

2. If you do not want to bargain, you can simply offer them 200 pesos, which should be the price that makes the vast majority of them immediately pleased without further discussion. In the past weeks I've paid 200 pesos to several girls, especially if I knew them and I knew that they would provide good service.

3. Any chica that quotes you anything over 200 pesos, including these 250 peso or even the 300 dollar prices described herein, has sized you up as an idiot American tourist and is in fact insulting you with that offer. On those rare ocassions in recent weeks where I was quoted such a price, my reaction is smile quietly and tell the chica to shove off.

4. It's important to know the correct price and to negoiate. I've said this before and I'll say it again: The idea behind negoiating is not to get the chica down to the lowest price, the idea is to pay a fair price. In addition, when understanding the Latina mindset, they will respect you if you are firm. Chalk it up to their culture's sense of macho. If you roll over at the first over-priced offer, they will have no respect for you, an attitide that will manifest itself in the quality of your session.

5. Lately, the girls have developed an anoying habit of asking to be paid in advance, many times waiting until they're half undressed and I've got my pants around my ankles. This is a recent development, and I talked with several friends of mine in the business about it. Apparently there have been a number of Argentine men who have simply claimed poverty at then end of the session. Okay, that's understandable, but what's that got to do with me? Anyway, I strongly suggest that you always maintain a strict policy of paying when finished, if for no other reason than "sex is always better when I pay afterwards". A couple of times on this trip I was confronted with requests for payment in advance, upon which ensued a short discussion that if failed to produce a resolution, led me to start putting my clothes back on while telling the chica to get dressed and that I would accompany her back to the club. This unprecidented series of events always left the chicas completely speachless, to be followed by an immediate change of heart.

6. If a chica agrees to a price and then starts to change her mind at any time in the process (such as during a cab ride), just tell the driver to turn around and take her back to the club, bar, cafe, etc.

7. If there is any doubt as to the clarity or demoniation of the price, and simply as a good policy, ask her to write it down on a piece of paper or napkin, and then specifiy "pesos" or "USD". Afterwards, put the paper in your pocket in case there is a dispute later.

8. If a chica quotes you in dollars, insist on pesos, or get another chica.

9. If you are in Blacks, all the above rules are off, but then again, if you are in Blacks you are already making a mistake. Blacks is entirely over-rated, filled with baracudas looking for foreign tourists, and, inspite of the reviews of some posters herein, Blacks DOES NOT have a better selection than the other places in town. Over the years, I've probably gone in there a dozen times with the specific intent to pull a chica out of the place, and every time I've left alone.

10. Above all else, and assuming that you have the Spanish skills, always ask everything in advance. It's not very romantic, but I've learned from experience to tell them what I will pay, when I will pay it, and that I insist on a BBBJ. When you're still in the club or bar is when you have all the control.

Jackson

MoonDog

10-16-02, 19:47

Jackson,

Good post.

ezy

10-16-02, 21:56

Jackson,

Thanks for a great post. I agree wholeheartedly about

A. Not paying in advance.
B. Paying a fair price...neither cheating the girl or being cheated. The price you quote (150-200pesos) is exactly what I have paid for over a year, including my last trip in August.
C. Blacks.....too many guys assume falsely that you have to pay more for "quality." Wrong.

Saint

10-16-02, 22:23

Jackson is right about the prices. I offered 200 pesos the last trip to every single internet girl and all accepted that offer (except one girl from Platynum whom I payed 250 pesos). I don't like to negotiate back and forth sometimes so it was nice that they accepted 200 pesos. I'm sure I could have gotten a little lower but it wasn't worth my time haggling over 25-50 pesos.

My first trip many girls asked to be payed ahead of time. If you read my earlier posts you'll remember that. I asked why and many said the same thing that Jackson mentioned. They said that many locals have been stiffing them after sessions. The thing you have to realize is from their point of view they have very little or NO recourse if a guy does this. They can't really go to the police...unless they happen to be dating one of them.

My latest trip last month I don't think any of the girls asked for the money up front. I'd rather pay after but I don't argue if they want the money upfront. The one thing I would mention is that I don't let a few pesos stand between me and a girl I'm lusting after. I've met tons of guys that are lusting after a hottie in a bar. They don't end up visiting with her because they have this mental block in their head that they won't pay over 200 pesos. Even if a girl quoted only 50 pesos higher. Everyone has their own opinion but to me this is idiotic. If I really want to see a girl and she won't budge on her price and it's only 50-100 pesos above what I want.... I'll just do it sometimes. 50 pesos = $13 US.

I agree with Jackson's thoughts on Blacks. Blacks to me is about just shaking things up sometimes. More times than not I've left without a chica but several times I've tagged a girl from Blacks. Yes, I paid more than other clubs but didn't regret my decision. It wasn't that I didn't see a girl that I'd want. Many times they'd ask for pie in the sky numbers and I would just walk away.

I can't wait to go back down there! Life is good.

Leo

10-17-02, 00:11

jackson, great update.

and the rest, i'll be in b.a. by friday am, with a couple of u.s. friends..., look me up in the artsuites. i'll post next week after i return.

Jodomas

10-17-02, 00:28

Thank You, Jackson.

I think you are right about the prices. I am no expert in BA hobbying, having spent a total of only three nights on my last two trips to BA, I have always paid between $150-$200 pesos for the three chicas I have taken to my hotel. I remembered the first chica I took was from Solid Gold and she asked for $100 USD. When I told her no she lowered the price to $250 pesos. We negotiated down to $200 pesos. On my last trip both girls went for $150 pesos. One of them did ask for $100 USD but when she saw I was not interested she said it was a joke and the price came down to $150 pesos eventually.
While everyone should pay what they think is reasonable, we should stick together to keep prices at a certain level. Also we don't want to spoil the fun for our Porteños friends by driving the prices up.
I also agree with Jackson about being firm. It's not being macho, it's culture. Latinas expect the man to be firm but they also know how the get us to think with the little head..............

jodomas

JamesBond69

10-17-02, 00:34

Month Long BA Mongering Adventure - November 10-December 10

I've booked a flight from NYC to Buenos Aires via Aviana Airlines - $501, including tax.

I'll be there for an entire month, from November 10-December 10, staying at least for the first few days at Etoile, then probably moving to an apartment in Recoleta.

I figure that's a good time to monger, as the Fall weather is on average in the 80's - not too hot- and yet not high tourist season and pre Christmas: a period with few tourists and lots of incentive for the chicas to earn some extra pesos.

I'm a gourmet hobbyist, experienced at the hobby in Latin America, speak Spanish OK and know some locals that are friends and/or I have some business dealings, so I won't be going as a total gringo. I will be all over the place (except for internet chicas), checking out the usual tourists clubs in Recoleta and downtown. but also venturing into some local scenes, hopefully not settling for less than 9's and 10's, and with a budget to fully enjoy the experience.

I may also check out MDP and La Plata and I have one month, enough time to cultivate amateur's and semi-pros as well. Expect a frank and detailed report in the best tradition of our beloved Tio Otto.

If you want to hook up and go mongering together during that time email me at ww2001us@yahoo.com

The best things in live are not free:-)

Bond, James Bond 69

DownBA

10-17-02, 01:55

Jackson, great post, very informative! I especially like what you said about telling the girl when you'll pay and telling her what you'll pay for since I'm not too fond of this "please pay me now" stuff either.

Since I'll be going to BA early November and am interested in some of the internet chicas, can you tell me what is an acceptable offer to the internet hotties to come to my room for a nice, unrushed visit? What about toda la noche? Saint, can you help me out here too please? Thanks, DownBA

MoonDog

10-17-02, 04:24

Originally posted by saint
Jackson is right about the prices. I offered 200 pesos the last trip to every single internet girl and all accepted that offer (except one girl from Platynum whom I payed 250 pesos).

Saint,

What about the girls from www.escorts-argentina.com who have $100 U.S. posted?

clsncntr

10-17-02, 10:26

Nice post, Jackson. Can some of you Spanish speakers help with a few phrases:

I know what the normal price is.
(To be preceeded with "I know many friends here." and stated *before* asking for a quote.)

I will pay after we are done.

In that case, I'm not interested.
(Applicable to turning an unreasonable one away in a club, or in a hotel.)

Thanks.

Havanaman

10-17-02, 11:34

Jackson, Gentlemen,

Great post and one which I shall reread before my December BA visit.

I agree completely with the comments from the posters below regarding the "rules of engagement" so I will not repeat those. I just wanted to ask about the possibility of a Spanish language area…. I don't mean a 101 Spanish language forum, nor indeed about the various "to be" verbs, I mean an area which one might refer to for the kinds of questions / statements being asked by clsncntr.

I'm still learning Spanish and although progressing well, I would find it difficult to ask my teacher certain things….. An area dedicated or indeed containing pre-prepared scripts / sentences would be ideal.

Your thoughts gentlemen?

Regards, Havanaman

Leo

10-17-02, 11:39

spanish help for specific phrase translations:

http://babelfish.altavista.com/
http://www.freetranslation.com/

a must have book, which rather than trying to teach you a language instead gives numerous specific phrases, including many specific to a bar/pick-up scene (although not the hobby scene exactly):

lonely planet spanish phrasebook (also in portuguese),
sells at amazon for about us$5.

DownBA

10-17-02, 12:17

Clsnctr, (Jackson, sorry for the Spanish, I know you once asked me not to write Spanish here but this is for a good cause, don't you think so? DownBA)

Andres is a real Argentinian and might want to correct me a bit, but I guarantee that my translations will be perfectly understood by the local Argentinians:

I know what the normal price is - "Conozco el precio normal" or "Conozco el precio regular"

(To be preceeded with "I know many friends here." and stated *before* asking for a quote.) "Tengo muchos amigos acá" or "Tengo muchos amigos en éste lugar" (I have a lot of friends in this place)

I will pay after we are done - "Te pago al terminar" or "Te pago despues"

In that case, I'm not interested - "En caso eso, no me interesa" or "En este caso no me interesa"
(Applicable to turning an unreasonable one away in a club, or in a hotel.)

Hope this halps Clsntcr, DownBA

Andres

10-17-02, 13:10

DownBA:

You are right about the lines.

The one before the last one should be "En ese caso, no me interesa".

I usually use the line:

"El viernes pasado pagué $XXX aquí y el jueves pagué $YYY a una chica en Affaire"

(Last Friday I paid $XXX [to a girl] here and last Thursday I paid $YYY to a girl in Affaire)

With such, you are saying that:
- You are not a newcomer to the BA night.
- You know the ropes.
- You know alternative places where to find what you want if she stucks in her position.

I recommend that you never mention the name of other girls. Since these girls know everything about one another, the may start challenging you about the truth of your statements. So when one of them asks you "Quien era?" (Who was [the girl who charged you $XXX]?), just say: 'Soy muy malo para los nombres" (I'm very bad for recalling names) and "Ella no está acá hoy" (She's not here tonight).

Hope this helps,

Andres

Saint

10-17-02, 13:28

Hey Moondog. You probably know those girls better than anyone. I can't speak for the majority of the girls there but the two that I saw from that site (including the one you referred me to) was happy with 200 pesos for a short time session. I didn't want to negotiate and offered 200 pesos on the phone. My Spanish isn't the greatest but I'd say somewhat intermediate.

Both girls didn't hesitate or even try to negotiate 200 pesos. This was just last month in September 2002. (The rate was 3.55 - 3.60 at that time).

Good luck amigos.

MoonDog

10-17-02, 13:54

Saint,

I guess I'm more into the longer and more refined sessions than just a quick in and out. For that I can undertand Jackson's policy, but for a longer time including dinner and spending the night with you, and for making you feel like she is your girl friend and you are a king, then I don't mind paying more.

These girls are beautiful, and personally I love to be with them and treat them nice.

To each his own, but a little extra will go a long way towards putting a smile on her face and yours.

Leo

10-17-02, 14:05

moondog,

the same prices jackson and saint quote should work for your plan. during my august trip i twice had an internet girl come to my hotel, for ar$200 quoted for 2 hrs. on the phone i asked "how about i take you to dinner, before our hotel time (eg. 2hrs), off the clock (not part of the 2 hrs)?" each time the girl said yes.

by the end of our dinner (actually much earlier) we were well into gfe territory, and the subsequent 2 hrs at the hotel became an all nighter, including morning action. for the same ar$200.

thus, my experience is you don't have to pay more than the ar$150-200 to get an all nighter, you just have to provide them with a bfe and they might volunteer for one.

now, if the girl has a child at home, or other responsibilities, who knows. but one of these two times the girl had a morning photo shoot appointment that she delayed due to my time.

MoonDog

10-17-02, 14:18

Leo,

Good points, and every situation is different. I've had a few of those myself, and they are great.

Thanks for the post.

DownBA

10-17-02, 14:45

Leo, Saint, Moondog and the rest, thanks for the pricing tips, I'm sure they'll come in handy the beginning of November. I was planning on offering dinner to the chicas from the web site before going back to the hotel, I like to get to know the chicas a little bit first myself.

Andres, two out of three isn't too bad, eh? But you remind me of some of my picky high school teachers who used to mark down my test scores for forgetting to cross the "t" or dot the "i" jajajaj, just kidding. Most of the chicas usually tell me "Oh you speak just like an Argentinian" with which I usually brim with pride. Un abrazo Andres. DownBA

Saint

10-17-02, 17:25

Moondog. You are TOTALLY right about longer term sessions. My quoted prices were for no more than 2-3 hours. Most of the club girls did all night for 300 pesos but I guess last trip I wasn't really into the all night/all day thing. Many girls offered to stay longer but I told them they could leave at around 6 AM to 7 AM in the morning after our "fiesta".

My trip in May I did a ton of long extended all night/all day dates. I paid many MUCH more than they asked. Yeah, it can be chalked up to not knowing any better but I wouldn't classify it in that category. Many I paid more than they asked in the morning on my own free will. I don't regret it and it made me feel good to do so. The great thing with the chicas is you can walk away. (No different than dealing with your attorney, doctor, or other "professional"). Yeah, sometimes I don't like paying my attorney $300 US per hour but you know what??? He's damn good at what he does and I look at many of these chicas in the same way.

We all can agree to disagree on pricing and many other things when it comes to the "hobby". I don't think paying more than 200, 300, 400 pesos makes you a sucker. Like I've always said before....pay what you think is fair. Don't waste money but don't be too overly concerned about it either. The difference between 250 pesos and 200 pesos is only about $13 US. That $13 US isn't gonna make or break any of us. JMHO.

MoonDog

10-17-02, 18:55

Saint,

Nice post. Thanks.

EZE_Amante

10-17-02, 19:18

Hello All,

I´m on the ground in BA, at an internet cafe Cine ma on Ave Santa Fe, and having the time of my life so far. If I make a few typos, it´s because I am struggling a little with the spanish keyboard. Anyway, I have detailed reports written, but I can´t get any of the CD drives here to read my disc, so I´ll have to wing it.

So far, I have had great sessions with four of my top internet girls, with few complaints. The going rate for all of them has been 100p per hour, with all of them very willing to stay longer. I´m going to keep this relatively short, as my taxi driver is coming back to pick me up in less than an hour.

I´ve had such a case of jetlag, I´ve used mostly the internet site girls, with an excursion last night in the neighborhood, culminating in a less than satisfactory session with a brunette from Playwoman. All the grim details are already written, and I will post when I am able.

If any of you guys are here, please look me up. I want to do the club scene right, and so far I don´t feel like I have. I could use the company and help of a seasoned veteran of this scene. I´m staying in room 1007 at the Etoile, or if you see a 40ish white guy with dark hair slicked back in a ponytail, introduce yourself and the first round at least is on me.

Overall, my experiences except the flights have been great. I have reached every internet chica on the first try, and most have arrived as scheduled. I spent this afternoon with a goddess who goes by the name of Venus, she can be seen on Gemidos, and Platynum I believe, but the pictures hardly do her justice. 21 year old fashion model, just incredible.

All for now, but life is very, very good.

Thanks to all of you posters for making me want to come to BA, I´m in love with the city already. It definitely gets in your blood.

EZE :)

MoonDog

10-17-02, 19:36

EZE_Amante,

I could not find her on Gemidos. What section is she in?

100 pesos, that is amazing. Guess the competition is heating up.

MoonDog

10-17-02, 19:42

Never mind, I found her. She is a pretty girl. She did not even quibble at 100 pesos? I still find that amazing.

JamesBond69

10-17-02, 19:51

EZE_Amante,

(or anyone) who stayed at Etoile. Can you settle this question once and for all.

IS THERE ANY INTERNET ACCESS IN THE ROOMS AT ETOILE?????????

If so, what kind? Dialup or DSL?

EZE_Amante

10-17-02, 19:52

Moondog,

Every internet girl has been the same rate, and man do they earn it well. I wish you guys were here to show me the ropes at the clubs, but I will struggle on my own if necessary. I can´t thank you enough for all your guidance in particular.

Adios for now, my driver just showed, and I have to get some rest before going to Ness, Hook, and Catoos este noche.

EZE :)

EZE_Amante

10-17-02, 20:13

Back at the business center in the Etoile, with Patricia giving me the place to myself, I finally found a computer that will read my disk. This is day three of my trip, but I will post my adventures so far. I will apologize in advance for the extended length of the posts, but I truly have already fallen in love with this place, and I want to share the wealth like those before me.

Day One:

Hola Amigos!

I am posting days one, two, and the beginning of day three at the internet café on day three after struggling to access the internet unsuccessfully. Oh well, lesson learned.

Let me preface this by saying thanks to all the trailblazers in BA such as but not only; Jackson first and foremost, Saint, Moondog for his incredibly helpful guidance, UWphoto, Andres, and lastly but not least Ezy. You guys made my trip possible by hooking me with all your shared experiences. I’ve never met any of you, but it would be my honor to call you guys mi amigos. I definitely owe you guys. I know there are others, and if I’ve forgotten to mention you please accept my thanks anyway for your reports.

I probably don’t need to say this, but please due me the favor of never relating any of the following details to any of the girls you meet or communicate with here. Discretion is most definitely the better part of valor imho.

I’m writing this on the morning of day 2, from my room at the Etoile Hotel. I won’t spend a lot of time in this space talking about the suite, but I’m in a diplomatic suite and very pleased overall with the rooms for $187p +VAT. The décor is a bit dated but overall very nice. There is an entry salon or greeting room with a table and chairs, couch, bar/counter, and a minibar. Down the hall is the living room with couch, 4 chairs, and television. Beyond the living room is the bedroom with the usual furniture and a balcony. The bed is small but I found it to be comfortable and the pillows were excellent. The best part of the room is the bathroom, with separate shower and toilet areas, marble tiling, and a Jacuzzi bathtub that can easily fit 3 to 4 people. However, the guest policy dictates only one guest at a time, so I may not be able to fully utilize the best feature of the suite. Just last week I was emailed an ad for a pair of 22 year old blonde identical twins on Platynum (las melizzas I think), so I am going to try to bribe the night staff at least once while I’m here. The staff at the front desk, security department, restaurant, room service, and housekeeping have all been incredibly friendly and helpful during my stay so far. I think I’m in love with the tall sandy blonde room service waitress, that is as sweet as candy. I will post photos of the room on CH upon my return.

I live in the Midwest, and fly out of Detroit, so my travel time was a little over 23 hours by the time I reached my room (imho) time well spent to get to heaven. I had to finish a project I was working on, so I worked all night Sunday, and slept only 3 hours prior to leaving. So, being exhausted already, of course I was unable to sleep on any of my flights. The final leg from Miami left around midnight, and took 9 ½ hours. On the flight from Miami, there were literally dozens of beautiful women; all but 2 of them went through the Argentina national’s line at customs. Seated next to me was a thirtyish redhead with her son. I have a fairly critical scale of women, but she was easily an 8 (I’ve never personally met a 10}, very well dressed, and smelled great. She had a habit of putting her hand on my arm or leg whenever we talked that made it difficult for me to stand if you know what I mean. Her son slept for most of the flight, so we had plenty of time to get acquainted. Let me say here that I am in my early forties, and average looking at best and maybe 25lbs. overweight. A woman this beautiful and obviously moneyed would not give me the time of day where I live. By the time we landed, she had given me her phone number in Recoleta, and asked me several times to call her while I’m here , making it clear she is not married and has no “obligations”. Tempting as she is, I’m hesitant to start a regular relationship with someone who travels frequently to the states, and who could have a detrimental effect on my hobbying activities. Upon arrival, I avoided the cambio at the airport after breezing through customs and immigration, and found my driver that had been pre-arranged by Mayra (thanks for the tip Saint!) Smooth ride to the hotel except the driver had no idea where the Etoile is, so he stopped for directions twice before getting close. In fact, I pointed it out to him when we got close. I’m glad I studied the home page on there website. Anyway, I paid the 45p plus tip in US ($15) for what turned out to be an hour’s ride from the airport, since I hadn’t changed any cash yet.

This is my first trip to BA (second scheduled for Thanksgiving week), and I have read everything posted in the BA sections since fall 2001. I have done my research, and have a good plan to hit most of the regular spots, and make use of the internet girls, and Newport girls for my activities. I also plan to do some shopping for things like good dress shoes, boots, leather coats, and silk shirts. My plan on arrival was to check in, hit the cambio around the corner, buy some wine and other essentials at the store next to the cambio, then get a taxi to the Newport. But, I was so exhausted, I decided to change money, buy wine, then use my extensive (100+ girls) internet list that I have spent many hours researching and creating. First on my list was Carla from Tryllenium, and I had no trouble reaching her on the first try. I called, and talked with a girl who spoke limited English, and with my limited Spanish we struck a deal for two hours for $200 pesos plus taxi fare. She arrived exactly on time, but when I went to the lobby to get her, I realized it was a bait and switch. The girl that was here was so pretty though, that I decided to keep the appointment anyway. Great face, but she was maybe 5’3” and 20 – 30 pounds more than I prefer. I like them young and petite, breast size is totally unimportant to me, but this girl had huge tits, that gravity will some day wreak havoc on.

Carolina: 22 years old brunette long hair
Face: 7
Body: 4
Attitude: 9
Skills: 7
GFE: 7
Overall Experience: 6 (I take points off for CBJ instead of BBBJ)
I took no pictures, didn’t ask to.

Without giving all the explicit details, we started with kissing to DFK, to CBJ not to completion, which she was just ok at, but she was very friendly, and enthusiastic, and I had her several different ways. She earned bonus points for the effort she put in for round two, the girl rode me like a bronco, and even went to a round three in the Jacuzzi tub, but I couldn’t finish three times in 2 ½ hours. I gave her taxi fare and a $20 peso tip for enthusiasm. I saw her to the elevator, and returned to the room for some much needed sleep. I will say that if I had sex with her on a daily basis, I would have no weight problem, very passionate girl.

I slept till around 9 pm, and woke up starved. I had room service bring me a great Lomo a la Bourgignone, salad, and a couple bottles of water, all for $17.50 p and a 5p tip. Not bad considering how inflated room service prices are in the states. 22.5 p = $6.00 us. After dinner, I was still tired (or lazy take your pick), so I went back to the internet list. Being after 10, I had to bypass picks 2-4 as they have regular hours posted. Number 5 was Carol from Diosastop. Her picture is of a 21 year old blonde that has her face partially hidden, but looks cute from what you can see. I called and got through first try. She sounded very friendly and we agreed on 100p per hour (seems to be pretty much the going rate for all the internet girls I’ve had so far), but she said her name is Ally, not Carol as listed on the site, also she said she would call at 11:30 to confirm a midnight appointment. 12:30 came around and no call, so I called Lumilla (Gemidos and other sites). Again I got her on first try, and she agreed to come over after taking a shower. I hung up the phone, and less than a minute later, you guessed it, Ally. I explained to her that when she didn’t call or show up, I scheduled someone else. But, since she did call, I arranged for a noon appointment for today. Again she said she would call first.

Lumilla arrived on time, and the guy from the front desk brought her to my room instead of me going down to meet her. Her face was also hidden in her photo, and when I saw her I knew why. Not ugly but definitely plain, however, she did show up on time and has a killer petite body so I invited her in. Right away she asked if she was ok for me, she must be used to being sent away when guys see her face. I said yes she was fine, withholding my usual “you are very pretty” line, because it would have been a bald faced lie. I offered her a drink which she declined, so we proceeded to the bedroom. Immediately this girl is all over me kissing while undressing me. Again I’ll spare some of the intimate details, but very good CBJ, DFK, her on top to completion. We had a nice little conversation for about 10 minutes, when she started fondling me, and little EZE woke right up for round two in which I had her several different ways ending with me on top and her legs up around my shoulders. I ended up sending her off with 230 pesos for about 3 hours. Not bad considering that was some of the best sex I’ve ever had. After a scotch and soda (sin ice), I was down for the count a little after 4 am. It is going to take me awhile to get used to the nighttime hours, normally I’m waking up at 5am, not going to bed.

Lumilla: 27 old natural blonde
Face: 3
Body: 7
Attitude: 8
Skills: 8
GFE: 7
Overall: 7
Photos: None desired

All in all not a bad first day considering how tired I was and the deviations from my original plans. My advice stay flexible. Contrary to the experiences of some as reported, so far my internet girls have been pretty satisfying, and I’ve had no trouble contacting them.

EZE J

EZE_Amante

10-17-02, 20:23

Day Two (EZEamante’s adventures in paradise continue)

OK, as I mentioned in the report for day one, I had a nooner scheduled with Ally. The agreed upon price again was 100 pesos por hora, with no mention of taxi fare unlike my previous two girls. I will say a thank you to Jackson for the advice of never paying before a session; I honestly believe the girls perform better even without hinting at the offer of a propita. Thank God I gave her a second chance! Best experience yet, true to her photos, absolutely killer body. This girl is a stunner, and definitely has spent some quality time in a gym. Things are looking up, and I haven’t even been to a club yet. If a guy never wanted to leave his room, he would be fine here if the research is done before arrival. Anyway, back to my model. Nice tan all over, i.e. no lines. Her body is what I consider close to my ideal, 5’5” or thereabout, maybe 105 lbs., 35-24-25. Beautiful face, probably dyed blonde based on the limited shrubbery down south. She called more or less on time (within 15 minutes), and showed up an hour later. This time the guy at the desk agreed to just send her up. I’m always a little nervous when a girl’s face is not shown in her photo, but this girl had nothing to hide but her identity. She showed up wearing a nearly see through pink blouse that tied in front in four places, showing her nice abs, and a pair of tight, I mean can’t fit a finger in the waist, slacks and some really sexy black high heels. Very nice, obviously expensive, lingerie completed the package. I don’t think she was wearing any makeup, and imho, she damn sure didn’t need any. Her face lit up when I answered the door, and everything from there on was good, strike that, GREAT! From the first kiss to the last at the elevator, hell, I was almost hard just looking at her. I had decided before she arrived that I was only going to do an hour with her, but re-evaluated that decision when I saw she was a solid eight all the way around. Sparing some details, BBBJ (several times during what turned into a 3.5 hour session), dfk, cbj to completion, and two other completions in every position you can imagine. Imagine my pleasant surprise when she demonstrated her skill with her tongue, I don’t think she missed an inch on my body. She liked being on her knees during the bj’s, and kept looking to make sure I was looking. Of course as always ymmv, but this was a serious porn-star experience, with gfe thrown in the mix. Lots of good conversation between rounds, Ally is very passionate, and very affectionate. I am so glad I spent so much time prior to the trip studying Spanish. She was very complimentary of what I consider to be a sorrowfully limited vocabulario de espanol. Ally made me feel totally relaxed and comfortable. I will probably get the usual complaints from the guys who think it is a sin to tip too well, but I tipped her 50 pesos, and I still think she was a bargain. In the US… never mind there is no comparison.

Before I left home, I set a rule for myself for this trip: EZE’s Rule Numero Uno – No Repeat Sessions on my First Trip! I’m so weak, poor little rule numero uno didn’t last two days. This girl merits further investigation, so I’m going to schedule another afternoon with her on Saturday, and break my self imposed first trip rule of no repeat performances until trip two. She definitely was very vocal (sorry neighbors), and moaned especially nicely when I slipped my thumb in the back door just as she came. I asked if I could take some photos after round two, and she was definitely into it. The girl knows how to strike a pose, and even helped with lighting etc. I could have spent the entire day with Ally, and been a happy man. But, since I still haven’t left the room much and I have some shopping to do… Besides, housekeeping has knocked twice, it’s almost 5:00pm, and I’m out of towels, I even went through the extras I got last night.

At this point I want to mention that I planned well for setting the mood for these encounters, and it is paying dividends. I brought my laptop with external speakers, loaded with about 6 hours of bump and grind music. Scented candles set the stage for the Jacuzzi tub, living room, and three more in the bedroom. Each girl has been complimentary, and it has definitely enhanced the sessions, imho. I bought a converter to convert the 220 to 110 for the laptop, but found that it wasn’t the correct configuration for the outlets here (thanks a lot dumbshit radio shack clerk). No problema! The front desk was happy to provide a converter for a 20 peso deposit that they tacked on to my bill, apparently it will be removed from my bill when I return the converter on departure. It didn’t make sense to me, a deposit that doesn’t exist, oh well, nobody complaining here.

Tip: you can never have too much bottled water in your room. Fluid replacement is essential for extended sessions. Damn, I haven’t felt this much like a studly sex machine since the 23 year old girlfriend when I was in my mid thirties after my divorce.

Tip 2: Ask for more towels from the first maid you see. If you are going to have multiple daily sessions it is a must. I can’t remember when I showered more in a 24 hour period. I tipped the maid 5 pesos to leave muchas toallas.

Ally: aka Carol on Diosastop website, 25 years old, dyed blonde shoulder length hair
Face: solid 8 maybe 9
Body: same as face
Attitude: I don’t think it gets any better ymmv
Skills: Solid 9, knows her way around the cama, sofa, shower etc… you get the picture
GFE: 7 should be an eight, but who has a porn-star novia?
Overall Experience: If it gets any better, I won’t survive… solid 9 considering 10 doesn’t exist without true love, yeah yeah I know… romantico.
Photos: Many… I wish I could spend an entire afternoon taking her pictures

To be continued… in a past life I must have been very well behaved, life is so good!

Hasta luego
EZE J

EZE_Amante

10-17-02, 20:30

Day Two Continued

I just completed my shopping expedition and I’m simply amazed. Being the true genius I am (sarcasm for those who didn’t recognize it), I forgot to pack black dress shoes, and I brought a great belt that goes well with jeans, go figure, it doesn’t exactly work with slacks, muy tonto. So, I needed to do a little clothes shopping. The guys at the front desk were very helpful arranging a taxi for me, while also explaining to the driver what I needed to buy. While I was waiting for the taxi, I explained to the desk clerks I was having trouble connecting to the internet in my room, and Don Pablo offered to help after my return. The taxi driver arrived and off we go to Ave. Santa Fe for some shopping. I know this is off topic, but where else in the world would a taxi driver that you’ve never met, not only takes you shopping and points out the better stores, but he then parks his taxi in a garage and goes with you to help you bargain for exactly the right size and item you want. Answer: nowhere I’ve ever been. This little expedition took well over an hour, and included the above items and a sport coat I spotted in one of the men’s stores. Cost of the jacket – 113 pesos tailoring included, nice dress shoes – 79 pesos, belts – 27 pesos. That’s a grand total of under $60 US for a suit jacket, dress shoes, two nice belts, and I had a personal negotiating agent that doubled as a taxi driver. Taxi fare was under 15 pesos, but as usual, I gave a nice tip.

It is now just past noon on day 3.

The guys at the front desk tried to help me establish a connection for my laptop, but at the time I’m writing this, still no luck. I’ll hit an internet café later. After dinner and relaxing in the room a bit, my plan was to go to Solid Gold, Playwoman, Hook, then Ness and Catoo’s. I made it as far as Playwoman, I’m really very weak when it comes to beautiful women. I got there a little after 11 pm, and when I arrived there were probably 30 chicas, mostly 5’s and 6’s, with a few 7’s, and only a half dozen or so customers. At Playwoman, I was greeted by the doorman who spoke excellent English. When I told him that this was my first time at the club, he patiently explained the rules about drink prices etc… I chose a table just past the bar and stage, and was very pleased with my waitress. I didn’t catch her name, but she is very tall, with sandy blonde hair, I’d guess around 19 or 20 years old, and easily (imho) the most beautiful girl I saw there. She did a lot of dancing in between taking orders, and if I had my wish, I would have taken her home with me. However, she was not on the menu, so I ordered a scotch and soda and she brought the bottle of scotch, a bottle of club soda, and a glass with ice, and then mixed the drink at my table. I wonder if that method of serving a mixed drink is normal in this city, or if it is unique to this club. Anyway, others have made it clear that the girls will not approach you in the clubs in BA, but that was not my experience last night. I tried to avoid making any serious eye contact so I could get a good look at all the ladies present, but within 5 minutes a cute little blonde, Andrea, had sat down without being invited, and basically glued herself to my side. I’ll give the girl an A for effort, because before she joined me, she had been dancing all around me trying to get my attention even when I thought I avoided looking at her directly. Regardless, she was very sweet and cute, 24 years old, and completely natural. She was very proud of the fact that she is a natural blonde with “no plastic” as she put it. I will say she has a very nice rack, but that is not the most important feature for me. I like long legs, and a tiny waist. Andrea has a nice figure, but her ass is a little large for my taste. She was so cute and bubbly, that I bought her a couple drinks, and talked with her for quite awhile even though I had no intention of taking her out of the club. She really did her best to convince me to take her out, constantly massaging my neck and leg, and leaning in very close to my ear every time she spoke. I may give her a chance some other night, but last night she was not what I was looking for. I finally got her to leave me alone when I told her I would prefer to stand at the bar to watch the stage show. While there, I spotted what looked to me in the dim light to be a 20 something brunette with a very nice shape and very pretty face. My waitress got the girl’s attention for me, and Karina joined me for a drink. Up close in that light she still looked good, so I decided she would be my evening’s entertainment. We agreed on 200 pesos for a short session, and left the club. I tipped the doorman 10 pesos, which I believe is customary here. Well… back at the hotel in good light, Karina was not what I consider a good find. I swear to you I only had two drinks, and barely felt the effects, but she is 29, not 21 or 22 like I thought, pretty, but far from beautiful. I will share almost none of the details of my session with her, because it was just slightly better than mediocre. When she took off her clothes, I saw she was wearing panty hose that made her figure look better than it actually is. She had horrendous stretch marks on her stomach, so I immediately extinguished all light sources. I will say she was a very good kisser, and was super enthusiastic during the bbbj to completion. I completed round 2, and took her down to the street to get a taxi. All in all, my first trip to Playwoman was not as good as it should have been, and I take the blame. Tonight, I will stick to water or a soft drink.

Karina: 29 years old, shoulder length brunette.
Face: 5 - pretty but not close to a stunner
Body: 3 enough said
Attitude: 7
Skills: 6
GFE: 6
Overall Experience: 5, I’m being kind, but she is a very nice girl, just not what I came to BA for.

I hit the sack around 5 am, exhausted as usual.

EZE J

EZE_Amante

10-17-02, 20:37

Day Three (Quality time with the goddess)

I woke up feeling as exhausted as I had before going to bed, but I must persevere. I ordered breakfast americano in my room, with steak and eggs, and lots of espresso. Feeling slightly better, but still in need of 4 or 5 hours of sleep, I think jetlag has definitely kicked in. I decided against a trip to the Orleans Café, opting instead to return to my internet list. This time I chose a masagista on Gemidos (and Platynum I think), and once again she answered on my first call. She speaks almost no English, but we agreed on 100 p per hour, and she insisted that yes, she is the girl in the photo. In person she is simply beautiful, but I have a weakness for leggy brunettes with long hair. We arranged an appointment allowing me ample time for a shower, and a little more rest before she was due to arrive at around 2:30. Into my room strolls this statuesque goddess with legs up to heaven. Like all the girls I’ve brought to this suite, she went on at length complimenting the rooms, the atmosphere (muy romantico), and the mood music. Damn I love seeing their reaction to my preparation. In between rounds, she confirmed my guess that she is a part-time fashion model, doing runway shows. She gave me a nice massage to get things started, then just… incredible sex. Guys, if you like tall, thin, brown beauties, call this girl when you get here. Most definitely a great experience will be had. Forget that, I want this girl to myself!

Some of the details are, started with a cbj, to dfk (and I mean deep and wet), then daty for maybe a half hour. I would have gone on for as long as she wanted me to, with the sounds she made when she came (she claimed 3 times from just the daty), then she got on top and man, what a workout, she almost screamed (again, sorry to my neighbors). I was so tired, I couldn’t complete, but then she strips off the raincoat and lets me finish with her on her back por boca sin condom. I know this is sort of indiscreet, but this site isn’t about sparing too many details. The vision of this 21 year old beauty underneath me will keep me warm many a cold night this winter. So anyway, after round one some sweet gfe fondling, and conversation, round two very similar to round one, and I was totally spent. I was in dire need of sleep to recharge the battery for this evening’s fun. Before she left, she gave me her cell number, and I broke rule numero uno again, and asked her to return tomorrow. I’m going to take her to lunch, and try to get to know her better. I know she’s a pro, but it sure felt like a novia, and she didn’t act like a pro at all. Before you say it, no I’m not naïve, I know it’s about the money for her, but it’s good to meet a girl who obviously enjoys her work.

Tip: When you take the time to set the atmosphere, and please her first… you win. She seemed very happy when I asked if I could take her to lunch tomorrow to the restaurant of her choice.

Favorita: 21 years old, beautiful, tall, thin, long black hair and creamy skin
Face: a serious 8 imho, a smile that melts icebergs
Body: Hard body perfect, solid 8 maybe a 9
Attitude: Couldn’t possibly be any better, super friendly 9
Skills: 9, I don’t want to know how a girl this young learns those acrobatics and bbbj to die for.
GFE: Again 9, if you like kisses deep and wet, she’s an 11 on a scale of 10.
Overall Experience: Best ever… solid 9, I’m not usually this generous, God I love this town.
Photos: She only had time to pose for one today fully clothed (damn it), but she promised as many as I want tomorrow (could be a long afternoon).

If anybody that is familiar with the BA club scene is here right now, please contact me. I’d really like to do the clubs right, and I haven’t as yet. I’m staying at the Etoile, room 1007. Or, if you see a slightly overweight white guy with dark hair slicked back in a ponytail, feel free to introduce yourself. First round is on me, maybe even round two.

All for now… La Vida Loca es muy hermosa!

EZE J

CeJay

10-17-02, 20:52

EZE:
Wow... simply wow.

The url is:

http://www.gemidos.com.ar/rubro59/masajistas/venus/home.htm

Dcrain

10-17-02, 21:04

EZE

Great posts. I cannot locate Carol (Ally) at Diosas Top under either escorts or messages. Is there another name?

Saint

10-17-02, 23:13

EZE_amante,

Way to go amigo! I'm glad that you're doing Buenos Aires the way you planned it and are having a good time. There is something almost magical about that city. Great live updates and they are much appreciated for those of us that are itching to go back. I'll be back in a few weeks and reading your posts makes me realize how much I miss it.

Venus is a real cutie. Glad you're living the good life in BA. Life is truly good.

P.S. I can also attest to the friendliness of the local normal non-working chicas like EZE described on the plane. If you have any "game" at all it's easy to meet normal girls if that's your thing. I have several email addresses and phone numbers of some very good looking girls but BA has too many sure things for me to bother with. But if that is your thing don't hesitate to talk to the locals. They LOVE Americans.

ezy

10-18-02, 00:48

eze

Good job. Cute chica!!!

Taken up too much space???? no way, amigo, not when you are giving a, uh, blow by blow account....

glad to hear your maiden voyage is working well....

keep on postin

Toosh

10-18-02, 09:18

EZE_amante,

Great reporting. You did the right thing with the woman on the plane. Sounds like she had an agenda and it may not be what you think given your description of yourself and her. Please understand that I mean no offense to you. One thing I learned about women a long time ago is that they lie a lot better than men do.

LA Larry

10-18-02, 10:22

EZE_Amante,

Excellent reports. Keep plugging away down there.

One tip (non-hobby related) if you want to pamper yourself--take a cab to (very safe centrally located area) the Hotel Castellar on the Avenida de Mayo. (No more than 5 pesos from the Etoille).

They have a great Suana/ Massage (legit, no sex) place that is below the hotel and its the kind of joint that is pretty much an instituition for Argentino men. (Borges used to go there).

PS.

Why is it that the BA board is one of the best--with no silly flame wars, etc???

My theory is that the people of Argentina are so f-ing friendly and cool that they engender good will in the hearts of mongers.

Conversely, the boorish slobs of Moscow and Prague make me so regularly angry that I don't even read the Moscow and Prague boards despite the fact that I am in those cities two weeks a month. I don't bother posting my bad experiences because--what's the point?! I don't want to encourage anyone to go there and I don't want to defend my bad experiences...

I think that are noble benefactor Jackson should consider creating a seperate GREAT TRIP REPORTS FORUM under the BA Forum so that punters can read the all time great travel adventures...Like Saints and EZEs, Toosh, etc.

Maybe its just me, but I love to read the detailed diary like reports.

PEACE

Member #1698

10-18-02, 16:23

EZE_A , Jackson or anyone down there--if you think Venus is hot (and I agree), how about "Elena" at escortsargentina.com (the platynum mirror site)...I can't believe no one else who has seen her photos and is down there has not tried to book her...anyone who does and files a full report can expect dinner on me in Montreal...my BA trip has been delayed until Feb. (sigh) due to too much work...P.S. Elena's photos showed up on a couple of other sites about a month ago: I sent out an VRFBR (vicarious request for booking & report) to all you BA cheongsters a while back...surf and ye shall see; the Q is is she for real and a hottie in the room???

EZE_Amante

10-18-02, 18:23

Day Three Part Two

First, I forgot to mention in my post for last night that I did stick around Playwoman long enough to watch some of the show. Andrea told me (before I shooed her away) that on busy nights she also performs for the show. Judging from the way she danced around me trying to make eye contact, I’d have to say she probably is worth sticking around to see. Please understand that in Buenos Aires, a man needs to adjust his rating scale and be more critical. There are just so many beautiful women, and not nearly enough time for me to get to know them all. I’ve never wanted to be independently wealthy more than I do right now. I could easily spend several months at a time here, and I don’t think I’d ever get bored or disillusioned. Also, the tall blonde in the show at Platynum is one of the wildest looking women I’ve ever seen, and she has all the right moves and equipment. Anybody who has seen her can confirm this opinion. However she was not on the takeout menu. The show was worth watching, but when the big muscular guy with the model’s face got on stage, I decided it was time to go. Karina told me he’s gay; I don’t care, and don’t want to know. I hired a taxi this afternoon to take me to the internet café, and had asked him to return for me in a little over an hour. I gave him 10 pesos for a 3 peso trip, and he returned 10 minutes before he was due. He came in to the café and tapped me on the shoulder, and he had no problem waiting in the taxi while I finished the email I was writing, and paid my bill. The cost for an hour and a half of internet access plus 2 very good and strong cups of coffee, and 2 pastries was 7 pesos (less than $2 US). When the driver dropped me off at the hotel, he refused any more payment saying that I am too generous. I have not experienced this kind of friendliness and honesty in a taxi driver anywhere else. All of the drivers I’ve had have been over the top friendly and courteous and friendly.

Second; url’s

Carol aka Ally?
www.diosastop.com/diosastop1.htm
I’m not online while I write this, so I can’t verify if this will go to her page, but she is a fairly recent addition to my list, so I will confirm when I return to the states. Look for a picture of a blonde in jeans with no top, it is a side shot.

To anyone interested, I have created a pretty decent “living” document of my internet girls list on Word. Email me at ezeamante@yahoo.com, and I will be happy to share it. The list is complete with phone numbers, physical details, websites, and photos. It has been a big help for me, but I’m basically a pretty lazy guy who really likes having beautiful women delivered to my door with no more effort on my part other than a phone call. Keep in mind, I’m a legs and ass man, breast size has never been all that important to me, but honestly with over a hundred women and growing, there’s bound to be something you like.

Thanks for all of the positive feedback, it’s a tough job, but I’m thankful I’m one of the guys who gets to do it. These reports are just long overdue payback for all you guys who led the way here. Having returned from a trip downtown, I have to say I’ve never seen more beautiful women on the streets in any city I’ve ever been in. My neck hurts from turning around to get a better look so often. It is hell getting old, but life is very, very good to me right now.

Moondog: I’m here till Sunday night, so Ezy and I will probably pass each other in the air.

Ok, I got an hour of sleep after posting the last report, a steamy shower, and decided on jacket and tie tonight for my trip downtown, so I feel almost human again. I’m off to search for Valerie, or Ezy’s Silvia at Hook. I plan to also visit Ness and Catoo’s, if I strike out at Hook. If all else fails, I will try Shampoo on my return to Recoleta. Wish me luck. Onward and upward my friends.

EZE J

EZE_Amante

10-18-02, 18:34

Night Three

It is about 5:00 am local time while I write this, and I just kissed this evening’s novia goodbye at the elevator. When I started out this evening, I didn’t leave the hotel until midnight. The young guy at the front desk called for a taxi, and while I was waiting, I told him I understood the hotel policy about only one guest at a time, but that I wanted to invite a pair of identical twins to my room. He said there was no way I could do that, and suggested I have one up to the room then the other. No thanks, I’ll get a short stay hotel. I’m not giving up on bribery yet though, tomorrow I’m going to try the manager. My driver arrived, and I showed him the address and name of Hook, and he asked me if I knew that it is a chica bar. I explained that of course I knew, that is the reason for going there. I told him how much I love the portenas, and he suggested a bar in the neighborhood of the Etoile, maybe 4 blocks away, and drove me there so I would know where it is, then he took me to Hook. The name of the club he showed me is Puerto Columbo. I have never heard of it, but I will investigate tomorrow night. I did ask if it was mostly for locals, and he said it isn’t, but that the girls there are much prettier than at Hook or Ness. We’ll see tomorrow. One unique thing about Puerto Columbo is they don’t have a doorman, they have a doorwoman. If she is any indication of the talent inside, I’m looking forward to going there. After a flyby of his club, he dropped me off at Hook. I did not realize before tonight, how close Hook, Catoo, and Ness are to each other. I hit all three places, starting with Hook. Oh, the taxi fare was a grand total of about $1 US, I gave him 5 pesos and he was happy. At each club, I explained to the doorman that it was my first time at the club, and each guy explained the drink prices etc. At Hook, my first (and only) drink was on the house, but I tipped the waiter dos pesos anyway upon leaving. One aggressive girl sat at my table uninvited, but I wasn’t interested. Hook was too dark for my taste, not enough light to see what you’re paying for. There were about 15 girls and a handful of customers, several of the girls were very pretty, and one girl that I wanted, but she was already sitting with someone, so I drank my coke and headed next door to Catoo’s. I did not see Katrina or Silvia, and Ezy, if you’re reading this, and you can contact your favorita, I would still like to meet Silvia, Katrina, or Marcella. It would be great if UWphoto had their numbers, but if not, no problema. There are plenty of other even more beautiful women to choose from.

Catoo’s was packed. All the girls I saw looked good, but I couldn’t even get a chair, and the ratio of girls to customers was not good. I left without even buying a drink. Across the street I went to Ness, where the drink price was exorbitant. I saw two girls I liked, both tall with great legs and faces, one long haired blonde, and one brunette, but again my timing was off and they were already taken, so after scanning the talent for 20 minutes or so, I headed out and got a taxi to Shampoo. I’m very impressed with the place. Three different dancers were performing on one main stage, and two small ones. The décor is excellent, better than Black imho. Again, the first girl who approached me, I wasn’t even close to interested in. I did see several stunners, but all were taken. One blonde in a business suit looked like a supermodel or movie star. Damn, I wish I’d left the hotel earlier, another lesson learned, get out to the clubs around 11:00 when the action is just starting. There were maybe 50 girls in the place, and about half of them were more than acceptable, but the only girl I approached turned out to be a waitress. I felt like such a dumbass when I got her attention and noticed the club’s logo on her blouse. I knew before she even said it that she is Only a waitress. Adios Shampoo. I went to Black. There was lots of primo talent, and I chose Loana, beautiful face, hardbody, 5’ tall, with black hair to the middle of her back. She was definitely not the most beautiful face in the crowd, but the bar was very crowded, and I couldn’t make my way any closer to the stage than the end of the bar. Loana was extremely affectionate and bubbly in the bar, and I was looking forward to the session at my hotel. The little cutie spoke not one word of English, but we communicated very well. She avoided the question of compensation several times, and I will admit that I agreed to way too much, but I really wanted her. She finally asked for 600 pesos! I held my hand to her forehead and asked jokingly if she had a fever, or had perhaps been drinking too much, to which she laughed at length, constantly massaging my leg and kissing my neck. This would never happen in nightclubs in Detroit. I finally gave in for 400 pesos, I know it is way too much, but understand, this girl really had my motor running, and it was fast approaching 2:00 am, and in the back of my mind was my noon appointment with the goddess Venus.

The hotel is close to Black, but like Saint, I don’t walk anywhere unless I absolutely have to, so I tipped the doorman 10 pesos, and he flagged a taxi. In Black, the price for the girl’s drinks was 80 pesos, and no exit fee. Honestly, I prefer the good internet girls for the money. Back at the hotel, Loana was as good as advertised. Man what a little package! She is 24 years old, a great little hard body, with very perky little breasts, and middle of the back length black hair. She had the tightest little box and great muscle control down south. She made me feel like I was huge, and believe me I’m just average, but there was no round two because she cried no mas! Details; lots of dfk, daty (she was very appreciative), cbj, and many, many, positions, she definitely liked it from behind while lying on our sides. She was very concerned when she finished twice before me, but I explained that con condom is dificil, so she stripped off the raincoat, and rubbed the essentials against me to completion without penetration.

Loana: 24 years old, long dark hair, very petite
Face: 8, and I definitely saw a handful of 9’s in the bar
Body: 9, perfect little package, exactly what I like.
Attitude: 7, I am taking points off because she would not allow a photo even fully clothed from behind, and was not willing to go to round two.
Skills: 7, the cbj was decent, but I prefer bbbj, the rest was definitely very good.
GFE: 7, very friendly, but a little on the professional side
Overall experience: Based on my sessions so far, she was in the top five, but definitely not the best, and way too expensive.
Photos: I pleaded to no avail

I’m exhausted, but there will be plenty of time to sleep on my return to the office, lol.

Ciao,

EZE J

ezy

10-18-02, 18:54

eze...Silvia is at Ness rather than Hook. Valerie is at Hook. Not that it matters. Either will take care of you! Or if they are not available you seem to be doing splendidly on your own....!!!

You are wheting my appetite for BA!

JamesBond69

10-18-02, 19:35

EZE_amante

>Thanks for all of the positive feedback, it’s a tough job, but I’m thankful I’m >one of the guys who gets to do it.

Tough it is but you're doing a great job. I'm glad you're doing in and not me:-) but I'll have my chance next month, for an entire month. Stay tuned.

Keep up the great journal. You're absolutely the bomb!

Bond, James Bond 69

marcoxxx

10-18-02, 19:59

Hi Saint,

I have been checking some escorts website but I can't find Marisol, the chica you posted a picture of back in September and which you mentioned in one your posts at the end of that month.
I'll be in BA later on this year and she looks really nice (I love breasts too !)
Thanks y disfruta todo !

Marco

MoonDog

10-18-02, 20:19

EZE_Amante,

Thanks for your in depth reports. Sorry EZY and I will miss you ans we both will arrive in town on Monday.

Thanks for the info on the new club. I will have to check it out when there.

Moondog

oldguy

10-18-02, 20:20

Arrive yesterday afternoon from Santiago with three hours sleep and hangover, after one of the best chica sessions in my life (see Santiago forum for details).

One of my purposes on this trip is to extend some of the knowledge provided by those who´ve gone before. Read on...

There´s been mention of the "Belgrano penthouse" in the past. The only details were that, "My remis driver, Oscar Carrizo, took me there." First stop, I called Oscar´s cell phone at 15-4960-3770 before I left Santiago. Oscar met me at the airport with a sign bearing my name (Oldguy?) and drove me to my hotel (Sheraton Libertador, 5 stars, city center--hey, what are expense accounts for?). On the way in I told Oscar that a friend had told me about the penthouse, and I´d like to go there. Oscar asked me about my likes in women, and said he had just the thing, so we set up an appointment for the next day (today).

Oscars a real Argentine. As we´re pulling out of the airport, you go through a toll booth. In this case, the operator as a 30 something, fairly attractive women. As he hands her the payment, Oscar chimes, "Every day I see you, you´re more beautiful." I think Oscars planning on skipping tolls in the future. For those wishing to hire Oscar, his rates are pretty attractive:
Airport to downtown: 15 $US
Downtown to airport: 12 $US
Driving around Bs As: 12 PESOS per hour (how does he eat?)
Driving outside of BA: 80 centavos/km + 10 pesos per hour waiting time
Oscar drives a clean, comfortable three-year old Peugeut 505
Oscar´s only problem, for some, is that he speaks no English. I asked him what he does with non-speakers, and he said he calls his son, who speaks English, on the cell phone, puts his customer on the phone, and then the son talks to Oscar. A bit circuitous, but I don´t know what your chances of finding an English-speaking driver is, anyway. I tipped Oscar a couple of bucks at the hotel, and he seemed satisfied.

Feeling like shit when I get to the hotel, I hoped an afternoon in the Colmegna (Sarmiento 839, in the city center) might help. They often run unadvertized specials--ask at the desk before you pay. They were running a special--1/2 hour massage and pedicure (I know, I know, I´d never do it in the States) for 59 pesos! Christ, that´s about 17 bucks! However, I then found out something new: there are two types of massages at the Colmegna--the one most guys have reported on in the past (cute chica, fairly light massage, scrotum tickle, and offer of a hand job) and then there was the massage that I had unknowly signed up for. As the old head towel guy said, "Oh, you´re getting a real massage." I was sent to a booth on the third floor (not the second floor where the chica jobs take place) not quite sure what was following. I was given the little white short and led to a cubicle, and told to lie down. Three minutes later, a 40 something female fireplug of a woman came in and proceeded to pound me to a pulp. I DID forget about the hangover and, strangly, an hour later I was feeling pretty good (after sauna, roman bath, swim, and shower).

I went back to my hotel in the center area, and scored five vitamin V´s. As you can guess from my handle, I´m in the prime, not beginning of life. First shots never a sweat, I wanted to see if the V would help with second or third rounds. I´d just a soon not have to wait for 30 minutes (just wait, it´ll happen to you, too.) Turns out, there´s an Argentine generic for 5 pesos a pill. It´s called Bifort 50, and consists of 50 mg of sildenafil. Maybe someone can tell me if that´s the same as Viagra. Anyway, it´s a hell of lot cheaper than the real stuff.

First test of Argentina Vit V: Called Romina of Platynum. Her picture looked good to my tastes, and the "servicio completo" also has a nice resonance. Well, I got the old switcheroo, which wasn´t immediately apparent. A small, stacked blond with an incredibly angelic face showed up at my door. She didn´t quite look like Romina, but, from first impressions, she looked better! (How often does that happen?). Anyway, I served some champagne and we chatted for a while before getting down to business. She admitted she wasn´t Romina, that Romina had quite her stable three or four days after her pictures were taken and posted. There ain´t no Romina still in the business. Her name was Kiara (not the Kihara on the net.) When her close came off, she wasn´t quite as stunning. She was a little chunky, but mostly she had incredibly short arms and legs--it just kind of screwed up her looks. She had the face of model, good large soft brests, and the body of a munchkin. Anyway, I won´t waste any more of your time. She was a lackluster performer and I did 90% of the work. Not that I mind the work, but I always considered it more of a team job. Outcome on Argentine viagra--no decision; did not seek second round.

Question for brothers in the hobby: are their any public Internet sites in Bs As that provide some privacy? I don´t really feel like looking at the Platynum site with granny on one side and a 14 year old on my other side. If I had the access, I could tell you if Kiara is on the Internet. Her picture could be spectacular, and you could be in for a disappointment.

Second test of Argentine Viagra: Today, Oscar shows up to take me to the Belgrano penthouse. Oscar and I pretty much hit it off on day one, so he tells me has struck a deal. I´m going to see a girl that normally charges 70 US$ per hour, but he´s arranged for 100 pesos an hour. Not bad, that´s got us to the same price as the place on French, but it´ll all depend on the product.

Patricia is about 5' 1" or so, bleached hair, very fair skin, pretty face (7) and very nice bod (8), with natural, 36C brests. She´s quite nice, and we talk for awhile, before we start out with a massage, cbj, and fs. Regrettably, it was about a 6 act. She´s not particularly hardened or anything, I think she just wanted to do the deed and get on with the day. Again, with the timer running, I wasn´t interested in giving a second round try. There´s always the next day.

One strange thing about the encounter. Oscar not only took me to the building, he came up in the elevator and waited in the living room while Patricia and I went upstairs and banged away. The ride from Belgrano to where I had lunch was kind of strange, I mean, what do you say to your driver, "she´s got a great bod but wasn´t sufficiently enthusiastic."? Oscar did ask me if I liked pool. When I said, "Not really," he asked if I wanted to go to a bar with pool tables and lots of great chicas. Sounds like a boliche to me, so, what the heck, I´m going on a double-date with Oscar tomorrow night. I get the back seat.

We, things have to improve, or I´m going back to Santiago. I´m going to give Sandy of Platynum and Saint´s experience (I believe) a call for a visit before I do the town with Oscar tomorrow.

Outcome on Argentine Viagra: still no decison, more to follow....

JamesBond69

10-18-02, 20:39

[QUOTE]Originally posted by oldguy
[i]Arrive yesterday afternoon from Santiago with three hours sleep and hangover, after one of the best chica sessions in my life (see Santiago forum for details).

Old Guy. A hilarious post. You are definitely one of a kind and an entertaining writer. I really am jazzed up about this forum and counting the days until I arrive in Argentinna on Nov. 12th at Etoile.

This forum brings out the best of the mongers and why not? Buenos Aires is an incredible city, currency in an economic crisis (somewhat like my dear home New York, New York after 9/11 but for dramatically different reasons). BA attracts the top line of hobbyist.

Post away. I love it. These posts are in some ways like drinking a great wine or reading an engaging novel in progress.

MoonDog

10-18-02, 22:22

Old Guy,

Nice post. Sandy is #9 on www.escorts-argentina.com.

Also, Romina has a blue * on her description. That means that the photos are false. The girl that is in the pictures, is she the one that came to your door?

Moondog

oldguy

10-18-02, 23:10

Moondog,

I didn´t see the gd blue star. Shame on me. However, as it says in my post, Rumina, or whatever her name was, quite the bizness shortly after her picture was posted. Damn, she LOOKED hot. Maybe she burned out at an early age.

JamesBond,

Thanks for the cudos. I just don´t want to be the first poorf**k in history to write, "Damn, I´m going back to Chile for some good sex." More of my misadventures will follow...

Saint

10-18-02, 23:14

Marcoxxx,

Marisol has no pictures on the net. She isn't an internet escort. She is a boliche "club" girl. I had her phone number at one time but I'm not sure if I still have it. She works at Playwoman. I had a great session with her.

Way to go Oldguy! Glad everyone is having fun down there. I'm glad people are hitting some of the spots I mentioned earlier this year like Colmegna. That place is an institution that goes way back (place is 107 years old). Has been passed down from family member to family member. You'll love Sandy. She is so sweet and a great girl.

Moondog is 100% right. Stay CLEAR of the girls with the blue * on Platynum. 100% fake. Also, if a girl shows up that isn't the EXACT same girl that is on the website...don't hesitate to send her away. I know sometimes we get all hot and bothered and horny but odds are...20 minutes later you can have someone that you really want. Don't settle. There are few things in life worse than a bait and switch.

I leave for Mexico City in the morning. Wish me luck!

Saint

Toosh

10-19-02, 08:30

Oldguy,

When I was in BA in August I went into Cutty Sark one night and talked with a beatiful girl from Chile. At first I thought she was from Argentina because she looked very European (probably of German ancestry) but then she told me she was from Chile. She was hands downs the best looking girl in Cutty that night.

I asked her how many more girls looked like her in Chile (Santiago) and she said a lot. She said the club she worked at there (can't remember the name) had a lot of attractive girls from all over South America there.

I also talked to a good looking girl in Playwoman who also said she has worked in Chile before. I'll be watching for your future reports about Chile and thanks for your excellant reports.

Toosh

ezy

10-19-02, 17:07

old guy....yes, there are internet spots with privacy. I use a place on Puyredden (not sure of spelling)...between Pena and Melo. Private booths allow you to surf fearlessly....but, since you are downtown and not in Recoleta it is a bit out of your way.....
ezy

sfhombre

10-19-02, 17:35

Oh yeah...on impulse I'm headed back to BA...tomorrow!! Any mongers in town? Spent some time in early Oct with uwphoto and others. It'd be great to connect with some other guys and hang out. RSVP at sf(underline)******@yahoo.com

sfhombre

10-19-02, 17:43

Ooops. Forgot about the "forbidden words" filter when typing my email address. It is sf(underline)h - o - m - b - r - e at yahoo (minus the dashes and spaces of course)

oldguy

10-19-02, 19:13

ezy,

Thanks for the hint. I make it to Recoleta every couple of days, and what the heck, it´s a US$1 cab fare!

Third test of Argentine vitamine V: After walking around Florida and the center area in the morning, called reliable Meriam at 2254 French. She told me to come on in, there were three girls working: Celeste, who I played with in August, as well as Samantha and ????, neither of whom I have met. When I arrived, it was nice. Whether she was blowing smoke up my ass or not, Meriam told me how nice it was to have me back, yadayadayah. I was led into the little antiroom, and the three chicas came in, one at a time. ???? was first (I´ll try to get the name later). 5'8", big black hair, good solid Italian woman of about 25 or so. Nail a keel to her, and she´d be a battleship. I´m 6'2", 185. If I were a couple of inches taller and 215, I might have been able to win a battle with her. Or, maybe if I were just 10 years younger. I value my life, so passed on to number two, my friend Celeste from the past.

Celeste makes me weak in the knees--5'2" or so, she's about 22, but has the body of a 16 year old. Small, up-pointing breasts, thin waist, and legs longer than any 5'2" person should be able to have. Unfortunately, my August experience was so-so (CBJ, eyes downcast most of the time, little display of emotion). However, her greeting was better than anything I experience in August--big smile, warm cheek-kiss, and words about how wonderful it was to see me back. Arrrrgh! Maybe she just needed to get to know me the first time; maybe, maybe I should dive in again. Then, Samantha walked in: 5'8", rail thin, light brown hair, intense eyes. She´s not stunning, but she moved wonderfully and looked me straight in the eyes from her own deep brown pools. Samantha, I´m yours! We went to the room in the back on the right with the jacuzi (it´s the only one I´ve been in; what are the others like?)

Anyway, we chat for awhile as I always like to do. I learn that she´s has ballet experience, and is studying to direct operas. Hey, it is Argentina! While some might not prefer her body, it´s perfect to me: long, sleek, slim but muscular, with small pointed breasts that defy gravity. When we get down to action, we start with a little mutual body-kissing, which quickly leads to a BBBJ and a major face-sit. How do you say 69 in Spanish? I suppose it could just be "sesenta y nueve," but each language has it´s own special words for magical activities. Anyway, she hops up on top and we go at it pretty well for 10 or 15 minutes. I´m impressed with her strength--she´s got half her weight on her arms for the whole time while were working away. After a while, I suggest we roll over, where I´m afraid the little guy quickly lost control and had his say. Then, I notice something interesting: I may have blown my wad, but I´m not really deflating! Samantha knows I'm gone, but apparently she's not ready to stop. So, we keep going at it for another 5 mintes, 'til she lets loose. So, all I can say is, YES! YES, my compadres! Vitamin V does, indeed work!

It´s amazing. We finish up, Samantha cleans us up, and we continue to talk and play huggy/kissy bear for 5 or 10 minutes. In fact, the woman is really into kissy: body, ears, face, tounge; you name it, she wants to kiss it and keep doing so. Meanwhile, I'm stunned--not only did I never really go down, but I'm back up and ready for action. New condum, and were off again, this time finishing up with a standing doggie (tried kneeling on the bed, got a thigh cramp, and almost knocked her off the bed--not one of my finer moments.)

Given that tomorrow is Sunday, a pretty dead time, I consider asking Samantha for lunch and a romp at my hotel. NAAAH! There´s always the Orleans (two blocks from my hotel) and, if all else fails, the Internet girls.

Tonight I´ve got my double date with Oscar, so I´m going to go back for a siesta to get ready for that one. It has the potential for disaster, but, what the heck, I´ve already been lucky today. Twice!

¡Hasta mañana, caballeros!

oldguy

10-19-02, 19:27

Toosh,

Yeah, Buenos Aires has it´s stunning women, which are known around the world, but I´ve been amazed at the number of beauties in Santiago. The women of Bs As mostly stike me as Italian and Spanish wonders. There are some of those (mostly Spanish) in Santiago, but the real stunners and suprises are, I agree, of German extraction. I´ve been amazed at the number of real blond-haired, blue-eyed beauties I´ve met there. What I´ve particularly liked is the fact that, IMHO, there are a lot of semi-pros in Santiago, who really like the sex and aren´t watching the clock. Not that I'm complaining about Bs As, but if you HAVE to go to Chile, it ain't all bad.

ezy

10-19-02, 19:58

sfhombre...going back tomorrow for a week in paradise.....give me a buzz if you like....4815-1434 is my local number for the week

JamesBond69

10-19-02, 20:16

Originally posted by oldguy
ezy,

(two blocks from my hotel) and, if all else fails, the Internet girls.

Tonight I´ve got my double date with Oscar, so I´m going to go back for a siesta to get ready for that one. It has the potential for disaster, but, what the heck, I´ve already been lucky today. Twice!
¡Hasta mañana, caballeros!
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I believe Oscar is going to take you to a boliche (on Pampa Street?). It has a pool table, another part with a strip show some lesbian exhibitions and a short stay next door to tryst with the performers.

It was reviewed previously in the forum and favorably - local hang with reasonable prices and semi-pro action in the 7-9 category. I'm curious to get your critic of it, as its on my list of hobby stops next month on my gourmet tour of Buenos Aires.

Bond, James Bond 69

Hobby Fan

10-19-02, 20:35

Oldguy:

The 'reliable Meriam at 2254 French' option sounds interesting -- is 2254 French a street address? If so, in what part of town is it?

When do you leave? I'll buy you a beer if you are still there in a week or two.

Thanks.

HF

DownBA

10-19-02, 21:29

JamesBond 69,

I'm one of the guys who's reviewed the place on La Pampa, it's called Nuevo Estilo Boliche, at least that's what they called it last year. It's on the corner of La Pampa and Figeroa Alcorte Ave (think that's the cross street) and I highly recommend it. It's exactly as you said, pool table with a bar and strip show including some great lesbianism on stage with real cuties doing 69 and various other giving-receiving positions. Also, this is the place that your buddies take you just before you get married and often the strippers strip the groom on stage, lots of fun to be had there. The rooms are part of the place and the sessions are either 1/2 hour, 1 or 1-1/2 hours. There were lots of cuties in the 6-8 range. Lots of young girls, mostly very natural looking. There it'll really help to speak Spanish as this is most definitely predominantly a local's hang but there gold in that place. Please post later and let me know if you agree that this is a fun place. DownBA

MCSE

10-20-02, 05:07

Safe Surfing

There are lots of cybercafes in BA, but as you mentioned, no privacy for
sex surfing.
To find private cabins:
Koreans are something like "Cybercafe MOB" in BA,
they fight against locals for the market control, however, they usually have
"Cabinas VIP" or "cabinas privadas" inside, so when you are walking down the
street and see a Korean at the front desk, ask him for a "cabina".
Korean cybercafe are usually comfortable and cheap, don't waste time at
Locutorios (public telephone centers)
average rate is $1,50 per hour (about 4 dimes)

Cybercafes in downtown (with private cabins):
1. Lavalle y Florida (Downtown)
2. Florida 578
3. Cordoba y Rodriguez Peña open 24h (quick connection)

If you are not able to reach 'em try ask anywhere you see the billboard "INTERNET".

The best option if you are carring a laptop (modem equipped) is to surf from your
hotel room.
Here are some free access #:
# 55555555
login: alternativa
password: gratis
--
# 40041199
login: datafull
password: datafull
--
# 40044004
login: intrada
password: intrada
--
You'll be only charged for the local call.
Instructions:
1.Disconnect the phone cable from the telephone.
2.Plug it into your laptop
3.Make a new connection in MyComputer folder to add a new connection
4.stuff with the data previously mentioned
5.You are connected to the internet

if you have some trouble or doubts contact the hotel systems administrator, tip him with 5 bucks
and ask for help. Hotels policy is not provide you information or help about
this because they have no earnings with free ISPs.

--
My advise:

websites:

To search for real girls is you better try www.sensualbaires.com.ar
browse in spanish (english version doesn't works fine and is incomplete).
Click girls not escorts.
Another: www.belgranosexy.com.ar (real pics too)

Girls who advertise thru this charge (even to locals) about $100 / $150 per hour. (US$30 /US$50)
Same girls charges $30 (less than US$10) per hour when you call from an advertisement from the journal.

Clarin Rubro 59 (journal):
(find online ads www.clarin.com.ar under rubro 59)

The main trouble with this is that the woman who answer the phone will tell you descriptions YOU
wanna hear, lies.
If you go inside (her place), disappoint and want to get back, they will ask you some "tip for looking",
if they doesn't do it, you better worry, you will be stolen when you exit the building.
My advise if you want to try this is call # starting with 47XXXXXX, 48XXXXXX, those prexifex
are in recoleta and belgrano, they lie less than others and are pretties 'cause is the
top level market locally.
Remember: best girls works in departamentos from 10.00 to 21.00 those who are open
24h are brothels.

Difference between brothel and independent:

There are a few women who are independent, they works at her own home, or a rented place.
They have to pay the police a fee per week, the building administrator, advertisement, rent, etc.
Their rate is $30 to $100 pesos (one hour complete).
Independent ussualy works less, some times they have a complementary activitty; gym, university, etc.
Also, several times they are from BA, so they seems more european.
Those who are into brothels are ussualy from other provinces of the country, or paraguay, brazil, peru.
They are kinda slaves. They receive a 30% to 50% of the rate.
Every "puterio" has a book. When they fail the minimum (5 to 10 customers per day), they are
sold to an inferior member of the chain, and so.
Girls at the "puterios" are sometimes pushed, so they have little motivation.
Drougs are commonly used.

Alejanda:

There are women who are like they advertise too. But you have to meet them to confirm it.
The best i knew is Alejandra: 43823732 (av. de mayo 1316 7th floor #G).
she is blonde, long haired, very very busty (natural tits), tight and really horney.
The apt. is comfortable, clean, and she share the location with another girl.
They asked me $30 (US$10) for an hour. Complete.
She is about 30 years old, but is one of the best experiencies. 9.5
This girl screams and spreads wide.
She started to masturbate herself while i was assfucking her. Amazing!
You can ask her for some dildos if you like this stuff (an extra 2 bucks) and double penetrate her.

TV Stars:

Some TV Stars or models are call girls too.
Flavia Miller is one of them, recentely she has been busted with a hidden camera.
She asked $200 patacones or pesos for an hour complete (US$60)
She was a TV Star about 2 years ago, those girls are locally called "gato" (cat).
then she was running out of money (she said on TV) and become VIP Prostitute.
If you search rubro 59 in clarin check "modelo real, tv, estrella" keywords, and may be
you get a TV star or dancer to fuck you will see on TV the next day. Funny!

How to Find Gatos:

Definition of "gato" is not neccesary a TV star. This porteño term is applied to any
good looking, or glamourous woman who will ask you be paid for sex.
The best place in downtown to find a gato for less money is the bar located just in the
corner of Cordoba and San Martin St.
The best time is from 19.00 to 21.00 . They usually ask 100 / 150 pesos, you better carry
pesos not dollars, if they see dollars the rate may rise US$100.
The next corner is a hotel ($25) (US$8) includes porn TV and two free drinks.
(not a cheap hotel)
If you are spaish spoker tell she: "Soy argentino y me deportaron, perdi el acento porteño,
vine a vivir con mi abuela" ("I'm original from argentina, i've been deported from *your
country here* i lost the language but i'm here to live with my granma").

I tell you this: as a stranger, i noticed argentinean people is very proud about their country,
they are especially angry with american people, even as they are mostly european (spanish and italian)
grandchildren, they doesn't like europeans,
so if you tell a story, she will not give you anything for free but at least she will
not hassle you. Argentineans are right in some way: europeans and american govenments
stolled their business, properties, and even bank accounts, not to mention the malvinas (falklands).

Since I learned the accent and customes, life here has been more friendly and cheaper for me.
I look like an argentinean 'cause i'm italian.

Buenos Aires Sex Raid:

(I reccomend this only if you speak fluent spanish)
Here is a schedule you can develop if you dedicate
1 day to your best (and cheap) sexual experiencie:

- rent a car in hertz (40 pesos per day) (US$12)
- 10.00 to 13.00 : the best time to get a call girl. don't pay more than 50 pesos (US$15)
- 16.00 to 18.00 : you can find "pendejas" (teens) street wlkers in plaza miserere called plaza once or
el once too. inside the train station there are cheap hookers (uglier), but in the outside you 'll find
teens from 13 to 18 y/o all you need to do is walk slow. There is a very pretty chinesse girl named
Nati, but you'll usually find about 12 girls. There are drive-inn hotels near. Girl rate $15/$20 (five bucks).
They are the horniest but not sure about clean (they doesn't smell anyway) so be carefull.

- 19.00 to 21.00 downtown gatos at cordoba and san martin mentioned.
- 21.00 to 23.30 best time to pick a tranny. Palermo, godoy cruz st. there are 16/24 y/o transexuals
arround, pick 'em into the car, then drive to bosques de palermo, about $15/$20 for a BBBJ and $30 compl.
(five to ten bucks)
-00.00 to 03.00 santa fe avenue from Juan B. Justo to callao, everything you are able to find here.
Teens, hookers, taxi boys, rates are from $30 to $50 and may rise $100 (US$10/$18 to $30).

So, you can have:
-a morning call girl at your door $15
-a rented car $12
-a tight teen $5
-a tranny, belive me, they look like real women $10
-a gorgeous young woman $40 + $8
-an extra dessert $15

everything for less than US$105

if after this you feel a little hunger, try the parrilla libre restaurants, eat for a fee as many
as you want. For less than a MaC donalds combo (US).

Extra Stuff

I think quality does matter, but i read EZ_amante said he paid 400 pesos !!
Let me explain you:
Before december 2001, 400 pesos was US$400 , after the corralito (gov has taken possesion of
people bank accounts), prostitution rates was
going down because people was unable to extract cash from their accounts.
Before december 2001, the wage for a pro (gato) was maximum US$100, unless you are the president
or something like that.
Today, the monthly payment for low level workers (secretaries, assistants, delivery guy,
supermarket cashier, etc.) is about $300 to $450 pesos (US$85 to US$130)
A Doctor, attorney, manager, professional guy earns about $1.000 to $2.000 pesos (US$285 to US$570) per
month. If they are lucky, they get paid.
Some families (at least 2 parents and 2 children) they receive 150 lecop (pesos) per month.
Kinda a walfare, anyway they have to work for the gov in mantainance issues.
Money isn't for nothing they say.
With that said, I think you can get excellent service for US$30
If a someone ask me US$150 to have sex, means i'll fuck her whole family. For a week! (Me estás cargando!!)
(are you kidding!!)

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for additional tips or if you need some assistance in BA you can wrtite me, i'll be glad to help
you marinetti@ciudad.com.ar

DownBA

10-20-02, 10:56

MCSE,

BRAVISIMO!!! Easily one of the BEST posts I've ever seen on this forum and from such an insider's perspective. A million thanks for this invaluable information, I'm sure it'll come in very handy my next trip to BA. DownBA

Dcrain

10-20-02, 11:46

I looked at belgranosexy.com. Except for the 1st 2 two girls, all of them have their faces hidden.

oldguy

10-20-02, 13:42

mcse,

I second the motion--thanks for a lot of good info. I'm now connected from my hotel with my laptop on a local call--hot damn, don't have to look for an Internet connection with privacy. Works like a charm.

Hobby Fan,

The street is French (named for a person, that's why it's French and not Francia) and the address is 2254. You have to call the madam, Miriam, in advance at 4825-9370. She wants to make sure that two clients don't arrive or leave at the same time. Very nicely done. When you get to the front door on the street, it's the middle of three doors, and there's a buzzer on your right. Buss, Miriam will ask your name and buzz you in. It's in Palermo on a nice, primarily residential street, and the place is a two or three story row house, I guess you'd call it. It's clean, quiet, and very discrete.

The Belgrano place was definitely a step down in terms of quality of the place. Paint was peeling, no jacuzzis, not sure often the bed linen is changed (didn't crunch or anything, but he smell wasn't the freshest.) I've been in places that were FAR worse, but Miriam's has it beat. However, I haven't seen chica numbero uno there, who supposedly goes for US$100, before Oscar knocks her down to 150 pesos or so.

James Bond,

Where Oscar took me last night is another story. Read on.....

Oscar and Oldguy do the town:

I'm not a night kinda guy, which really has its limitations in Bs As. Oscar picks me up and takes me to his favorite boliche called Rosis, or some such, in barrio Florida, which seemed to be behind (away from the river) Palermo. We arrive around 10 and the doorman tells us they won't open for an hour or so. Oscar wants me to see this place as well as the place Estilo Nuevo Boliche on Pampa, says I'll like Rosis more. Figuring its too early to go to either boliche, Oscar takes me on a brief sex tour of the city streets, while we talk about different attitudes towards purchased sex in the US and in Argentina. He can't believe it when I tell him that, in some cities, the cops bust the johns and put their names in the papers. I suppose I can't either.

I mention to Oscar something I had read in this forum. One hobbyist, thinking to compliment a particularly sexy chica, had told her that she was "hot," which had pissed her off. Oscar rolled with laughter--telling her she was hot was an insult--it meant that she was in heat, and would fuck anything with two or four legs--not seen as high praise!

Anyway, shortly we enter a two or three block area with streetwalkers. Oscar tells me it's early, that by 1AM there will be dozens. HOLY COW, there are a couple of ladies dressed about the way strippers do in the US on their first dance--the vitals were covered, but barely. On tall, dark vamp really looked good. Oscar pulls over and asks her for a price: 15 pesos oral, 30 pesos servicio completo! If it weren't for her Adam’s apple and tenor voice, it would have been a great deal. Oscar says the price is about right for transvestites, that a real woman will cost at least 10 pesos more. OK.

We arrive at the Estillo Nuevo Boliche, and the door guy wants 15 pesos each for entrada (which includes a drink). Oscar is pissed off. "This must be a tourist trap. They're looking to stick it to you gringos." We ask if we can just go in to check the place out. The dude agrees, and we go in. It really is still too early--there are a couple of guys and maybe 10 chicas, mostly 4s, 5s, and 6s. Oscar is steaming and doesn't want to pay the fee, so we leave and head back to Rosis. By the time we get there, the action has picked up. As you enter Rosis, it's a fairly long room. The first half has a bar on the right, tables and chairs in the center, and a small stage on the left. Further in, there are three pool tables on the left, with a single row of tables/chairs going down the right. The entrance fee is 7 pesos, which includes a drink (VERY large beer or mixed drink). Oscar says, "That's more like it."

We take a table by the pool tables, where chicas are playing pool on two of the three tables. Most of the chicas clearly appreciate the fine pasta served in Bs As, as many are pretty chunky, with big breasts in pushup bras. While most of the girls are 3s and 4s, there are a couple of really nice 8s--one was a little brunette wearing a bra top and what looked like American Indian garb two flaps, front and back, covering the vitals and attached with a string. Really nice ass--I wanted to go over and pull up the flap, but restrained myself.

After a while, two of the heavyweights come over to our table, pull up chairs, and start yakking. Oscar and I try to convince them that I'm from China, and therefore have an accent. The fact that I'm a 6'2" Caucasian doesn't elude them, but they play along. Neither Oscar nor I had any intentions on the young ladies, and, I have to admit, they weren't pushy at all. We asked them the going rate, and they said 100 pesos/hour, 60/half hour, and Oscar went nuts. Actually, they didn't back off and didn't seem to be conning us--they said it included the hotel fee, and that they really couldn't come much lower--maybe they could stretch a half hour visit to 45 minutes. They then said that, around 1AM there would be a live show. It was getting pretty loud in the place, and I was having trouble following all they were saying, but I did catch the part about the chica in the show that would pull a seven meter long string of pearls out of her privates. Oscar and I decide to stay around for the show, but when nothing has started by 2AM, I beg off. As we walked past the bar to leave, I noticed that there were some really good looking women there--mostly 7s and 8s. There was one tall blond, from Brazil, that might make 9 in some minds.

While I probably wouldn't go back to Rosis, it definitely wasn't a tourist trap. I'd bet pretty heavily that I was the only gringo in there, and may have been the first one in weeks. I really did like the unaggressive manner of the three or four pair of chicas that visited with us. We ended up buying drinks for one pair at 10 pesos each, and they sat around stroking us and telling funny stories for half and hour or so. The place had a really down and dirty feel, so if that's your cup of tea, you might want to try it. In the future, I wouldn't go there before 1AM. It closes at 7AM.

On the way back to my hotel, Oscar mentions Orleans as a place close to me where I might find chicas. I told him that I knew of the place, and then he offered to show me another place, nearby, where he said there were fewer chicas, but of better quality, than at Orleans. The place has no name, but is at 554 Marcelo T. de Alvear. Orleans is at the corner of San Martin and Cordoba. Standing in front of Oreans, walk away from Cordoba two blocks on San Martin, and turn left on Marcelo T de Alvear. 554 is half way up the block on the left. I haven't checked it out, but will do so soon.

Tomorrow is another day....

Oh, one last anecdote. In the AM, I was walking along Florida, just passing the time looking at the junk for sale. As those of you that have been to BsAs in recent months know, there are a fairly large number of street people sleeping in entrances and begging for handouts. I see a bum sitting in a doorway, and he looks completely wasted. He's got one of those wool Bolivian sock hats that has ear flaps and a string to tie them together. Damn if the sucker doesn't have a Red Sox "B" enblem on his hat! God, how far Red Sox Nation has fallen. I should have taken a picture and sent it to the Boston Globe!

Hobby Fan

10-20-02, 16:20

Oldguy:

Thanks for promptly responding with the information I requested.

What is the price structure at 2254 French?

HF

Andres

10-20-02, 16:21

Oldguy:

Can you remember the street in which Rosis was? As far as I know, Florida is a town in the Vicente Lopez district (north of the Capital Federal, just crossing the Av General Paz). At least since 1995, the district has been dangerous at night, so I would check twice if Rosis is in Florida. Can you ask Oscar next time you see him?

(by the way, for those of you who don't know, the Av. General Paz separates the Capital Federal from the Buenos Aires province, and you cross it every time you go from Ezeiza to Downtown).

From the way you describe the TV action, you were cruising Godoy Cruz St. Was there a high wall on the left street side? If so, I bet my bank account it was Godoy Cruz St near Paraguay St.

I saw several years ago the place on 554 MT Alvear, but never entered for 2 reasons:
- No many patrons going in and out, what is strange if the place provides good selection or quality.
- It is located almost in front to the Plaza Hotel, one of the most expensive hotels in Buenos Aires, so it may be a tourist or executives trap.

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MCSE (MS-SQL?):

I agree with you in many things. However, I wouldn't recommend a foreigner from the US to drive in Argentina. We are very dangerous drivers and we don't respect lines in avenues or streets.

I also agree on your perception of anger respect to foreigners. Under a skin of pleasantry and openess to the foreigner, many people blame everybody but themselves as the cause of the crisis: Government, foreign coutries, executives, union leaders, politicians, etc. It's easy to blame others, and when histories of Argentines being deported appear in the newspapers, they elicit scornful comments from locals.

This is a word of wisdom for happy BA travelers: Don't believe 100% if people seem happy with foreigners. We used to be a very stuck-up, arrogant latin american society, specially porteños. I don't mean that you should be unhappy, by all means ENJOY!, but take attitudes with a grain of salt.

In your corolary, you explain perfectly why many girls are REALLY tempted to ask "the sun and the moon" to a horny foreign monger: If she could strip U$S100 more, she covers herself a whole month of expenditures. Cheating a monger by asking U$S300 for a session is a too strong temptation, specially when girls perceive that foreigners are not regular customers. So guys, be alert.

Hope this helps,

Andres

santaclaus

10-20-02, 17:58

Originally posted by mcse
Safe Surfing

With that said, I think you can get excellent service for US$30
If a someone ask me US$150 to have sex, means i'll fuck her whole family. For a week! (Me estás cargando!!)
(are you kidding!!)

---

for additional tips or if you need some assistance in BA you can wrtite me, i'll be glad to help
you marinetti@ciudad.com.ar

msce,

i'm a techno twinkie myself. would love to hook up with you sometime and talk about HARDdrives and RAMs....
Thank you very much for the very valuable info you've shared.

SC

oldguy

10-20-02, 18:27

Andres,

I'll ask Oscar in the morning (I actually have work to do--he's driving me. It's the price I have to pay.)

Hobby Fan,

It's a wonderful price structure: $100 pesos/hour, all chicas, all customers. Where others would rip-off the gringos, Miriam treats all the same. A saint, with her little house of angels.

Ferolga777

10-20-02, 21:53

Thank you mcse. Your post will prove to be extremely useful. Also, thank you Old Guy. I am inspired to try be more informative in my next trip -- if the hangovers allow it.

JamesBond69

10-20-02, 22:16

Originally posted by ferolga777
Thank you mcse. Your post will prove to be extremely useful. Also, thank you Old Guy. I am inspired to try be more informative in my next trip -- if the hangovers allow it.

I agree. These recent posts, so generous with real information, inspire the next group of mongers, waiting passionaately for their plane to take off to the vast hobby grounds of BA. Never mind the hangovers, this forum rocks.

DownBA

10-20-02, 23:40

Oldguy,

Sorry you didn't get to stay too long in Nuevo Estilo Boliche but I can guarantee you and all the other boardmembers that this is no tourist trap. You're right that it's a little unusual for there to be a cover charge but I paid it and it was a small price to pay for the little 21 year old cutie that I was with two nights in a row. As for it being a tourist trap, no way, if you go in there and you're speaking English it's highly unlikely that a single girl will be able to muster up even the most basic conversation in English with you. The strip show's great, they get right down to it and you don't have to wait 10 minutes of dancing just to see their tits. Anyway, sorry you missed it, maybe next time but I plan on going back there early next month when I hit BA. DownBA

oldguy

10-21-02, 00:17

DownBA,

Thanks for the info. I think Oscar just wanted to show me the place that he and his amigos like. While I think he was trying to show me a good time, when I mentioned that we check out NEB, I think I probably pissed him off a bit. He's the expert, and here's this gringo suggesting a place. Anyway, when I get through with work tomorrow, I'll probably find my own way out to NEB. I'll report back on the results.

Saint,

I had a nice talk with Sandy on the phone a couple of days ago. I was trying to arrange an appointment for today (Sunday) or early in the week. Unfortunately, she's going to be travelling out of town, but she said to give her a call in case her plans change. I enjoyed the talk and would like to meet her. Maybe on my next trip.

Sunday nights in Bs As are dead. I walked past Orleans, but what I saw through the windows scared me. Went back to my hotel and called about 15-20 Internet girls, most of whom had turned off their cell phones. That's fine; better than getting a voicemail request and wondering if they'll call back. Finally, got an appointment with Carolina of sensualbaires, for the now standard 100 peso/hour. God! I've died and gone to heaven. Let's see, I can buy a little two-bedroom home in California, or I can screw my mind out for the next 400 years in Bs As. What'll I do?

Carolina is actually much cuter than her pictures show. She's all of about 5' tall, has a really beautiful face, and a very nicely proportioned pixie body. Unfortunately, she's from one of the large, and sad, groups of working girls in Latin America: a single mom. For me, this presents two problems: she no longer had the fantasy body she had a year ago, and I have a hard time getting all cranked up when the poor woman is turning tricks to keep her kids in food. It's a lot easier when you know she's just trying to make payments on her Beemer. I'm sure there are similarly sad stories with some of the other chicas, it's just not as obvious as with the moms. Carolina was actually quite funny, worked hard at it, and got a nice tip. Through no fault of her own, it didn't do much for me.

JamesBond69

10-21-02, 00:49

God! I've died and gone to heaven. Let's see, I can buy a little two-bedroom home in California, or I can screw my mind out for the next 400 years in Bs As. What'll I do?
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I would say - screw my mind out for the next 400 years in Bs As.
The alternative - living in a tiny two-bedroom home in California, watching TV and going to the local bar to talk about the latest episode of Survivor, Yankee game, the D.C. Sniper results, will seem fairly unsatisfying with what you've experienced. It will be hard to go back to that.

oldguy

10-21-02, 07:45

mcse,

Again, thanks for all the great info. I'm currently on line from my hotel at 52k through your free ISP service. One thought ocurred to me--I really don't believe there are free lunches. What do the free ISPs get for their service? Are my logons, passwords, etc. being bagged?

Semi-concerned in Bs As

Dcrain

10-21-02, 17:07

Just got a call from American Airlines on November 19th flight to BA. They are changing flights and times. They were trying to put us on a flight with longer travel time and worse seats.

Does anyone know what the airline rules are in this situation?

Has anyone recently experienced something similar with American Airlines and how was it resolved?

Tia

MCSE

10-21-02, 18:19

Originally posted by oldguy
mcse,

Again, thanks for all the great info. I'm currently on line from my hotel at 52k through your free ISP service. One thought ocurred to me--I really don't believe there are free lunches. What do the free ISPs get for their service? Are my logons, passwords, etc. being bagged?

Semi-concerned in Bs As

Hey!
Well, is not free. You pay the local call.
When you connect with a "paid" ISP you only pay the 50% of the local call. These free ISP's belongs to Telefonica & Telecom, they want to increase the local calls. That's it.
There are free ISP's since 1999 in argentina but they increased since 2001.
The only bad news is that i've overheated my modem (2 years ago) by using an argentinean ISP (Ciudad, a paid ISP connection), sometimes, phone lines are overpowered, so this may cause troubles with modems, most people use UPS units to protect themselves.
Regards, amigo, your posts are really good, are you a journalist, writer, or something?

MCSE

10-21-02, 18:24

[QUOTE]Originally posted by jamesbond69
[i]God! I've died and gone to heaven. Let's see, I can buy a little two-bedroom home in California, or I can screw my mind out for the next 400 years in Bs As. What'll I do?
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You better hurry, may be Mennem assume the presidence again in march, if this happens, things will be like 10 years ago. The currency (as promised and advertised by Mennem) will be 1 peso = 1 dollar.

Regards.

oldguy

10-21-02, 18:27

mcse,

Thanks, that's interesting to know about the ISP. Thanks, too, for to complement on writing--I'm just a horny old bastard that likes playing around with chicas, and I guess it comes it in the writing, so to speak.

MCSE

10-21-02, 18:46

Originally posted by santaclaus
msce,
i'm a techno twinkie myself. would love to hook up with you sometime and talk about HARDdrives and RAMs....
Thank you very much for the very valuable info you've shared.
SC

Sure, i'm in south america, remember, i've received some fellas mails into my e-mail marinetti@ciudad.com.ar
May be some times server doesn't works properly, if this happens you are welcome to write to komposerteam@yahoo.com (my business account)

Regards.

Saint

10-21-02, 19:38

I haven't read the board in days. Haven't read all the new posts but thought I'd tell you how ironic it is that I went down to Mexico City this weekend. The two girls I hooked up with were from Brazil and Buenos Aires! How funny. Too bad their prices weren't as cheap.

I just posted a report in the Mexico City section. Good luck fellas.

Saint

MoonDog

10-21-02, 20:04

[QUOTE]Originally posted by mcse
[i]Safe Surfing

My advise:

websites:

I'm an expat (italian) and i've living in BA about 3 years.
I made platynum site and others so I tell you:
Platynum girls are allways fake. Even those who seems amateurs pics.
Anyway, may be 2 or 3 exeptions. I no longer administrating the site.
**********************************************

MCSE,

Why do you say that you made the Platynum site? The owners of www.platynum.com.ar and www.escorts-argentina.com are very good friends of mine, and these sites were started with just four people. They do not include you, and you never did administer the site.

The photos of www.platynum.com.ar are not fake, only the ones with the blue * inidcated by their description. Many of the girls have managers, about 85%, but the photos are not fake as I have been with many of the girls and their photos do match and are constantly updtaed.

Good information is appreciated, but only when it is factual and honest.

Moondog

MCSE

10-22-02, 05:17

Originally posted by moondog
[QUOTE]Originally posted by mcse
[i]Safe Surfing

The photos of www.platynum.com.ar are not fake, only the ones with the blue * inidcated by their description...
Good information is appreciated, but only when it is factual and honest.

Moondog

MoonDog:

Who are you? Are you Richard or Jose Barletta?
You right. I NEVER administered the platynum site.
in case you are Richard, it's all ok. my fault. I just wanted to make here a little speech, in order to mantain the best i can my english writing. (too bad but i try).
in case you are Barletta: Fuck you!
in case you are other person, i just tell you that you gotta be careful with Ricardo Diez.

This could be a little out of topic, but let me explain the others boardreaders how developed
the history of escorts sites in Argentina and how they works:

First of all. I'm out of business since late y2k. I used to work in a bank, then the bank leaved the country, same thing i'm
trying to do. Doing. In fact, i just wanna get out of this fucking country. Where bad guys are rich and powerfull and not mob people are victims who can't do anything against them.
Living in BA is dangerous as Colombia and worst than Maryland, 'cause you can't trust in police /gov. auth. here. Themselves are the mob.
1. Big sites those don't belong to a borthel are now just a few.
2. An escort site or "advertising prostitution services in any way is forbidden by law". In fact, the exercise of prostituion is also illegal.
3. When sluts or borthels doesn't pay to police or control authorities, they are taken to jail. (not the authorities, obviously). And many times you
can see it on the local tv news, especially cronica TV. For complicated mind readers: I guess this, just because i've seen a couple of operations per year,
newspaper is full of advertising (www.clarin.com.ar they have online ads under rubro 59), so i think to myself: Those police authorities are blind or what?
Does they make control of prostitution or not?
4. In the early y2k, with the new economy blooming, many amateurs (not MOB connected people) started escort sites, platynum and sensualbaires was
the market leaders, but in a few months, agressive marketing from competitors was taking away market shares.
5. So MOB connected webmasters of bigger sites started to push borthels, also giving soborns to police to stop the competition.
The closer case i knew, is a Russian who wanted to stop abusive payments to platynum and by now is out of business. With a short previous visit to jail.
Remember this Barletta?
6. In my oppinion there is dumping and abuse.
Anyway, I say no more, i'm not seeking trouble.
And Moondog: you know i saw (1999) a Gina Jameson picture advertising like a local **** in your site. I realized Platynum has the best girls in the world!!

Saint

10-22-02, 12:16

I agree with Moondog 100% Factual and correct information is always important. It's so easy these days to try to get a point across and either leave something out or "embellish" it a little. The reason why this forum is so popular is because of the great guys that take the time to contribute FACTUAL and informative info.

Mcse, I think everyone appreciates your information. Anyone that has seen several girls can tell you that not everything is all glamorous about this business. These girls go through a lot of sh*t to do what they do. Remember this when you're seeing them.

I really commend everyone on this board for being gentlemen. We can all agree to disagree at times but it's important to do so in a civil way.

It's amazing just how many people all over the world read this site. I was on a plane with some stranger last trip and he was telling me about this "board full of all this cool information". He was telling me about one guy named the "Saint". Ha, ha. He was stunned when I told him it was me. Also, while I was in Mexico last weekend the same thing happened with that guy I met. He asked me if I posted on any boards. I told him my handle and he started laughing. He had read my material.

Keep up the great work guys. Life is good.

MoonDog

10-22-02, 13:36

[QUOTE]Originally posted by mcse
[i]MoonDog:

>Who are you? Are you Richard or Jose Barletta?
>You right. I NEVER administered the platynum site.
>in case you are Richard, it's all ok. my fault. I just wanted to make here a little speech, in order to mantain the best i can my english writing. (too bad but i try).
>in case you are Barletta: Fuck you!
>in case you are other person, i just tell you that you gotta be careful with Ricardo Diez.

MCSE, I am not either one of those people. I am just a person that loves the ladies as we all do, and have known the staff of www.platynum.com.ar and www.escorts-argentina.com personally for about 3 years now. They are very close friends of mine, and are very good people. I know how hard they have worked to bring their business to its present level and reputation, and that is why I came to their defense. I appreciate your “history” of the scene in BA.

>And Moondog: you know i saw (1999) a Gina Jameson picture advertising like a local **** in your site. I realized Platynum has the best girls in the world.

Platynum is not my site, as I am just friends with the owners. I do not know Gina Jameson.

Moondog

Andres

10-22-02, 14:53

Guys:

I think that MCSE is partially right:

1) The escorts business is pretty like a maffia in Buenos Aires. I read several horror stories:

1.1) SIDE agents (SIDE is our CIA) involved in managing a network of brothels along with police officers (Mr Martins and the HELP, Tributo and others boliches)

1.2) A current (yes, CURRENT) judge having been caught in a plot for murdering gay brothels managers (Dr. Oyarbide, Mr. Garbellano and the Espartacus boliche)

1.3) A famous group pf brothers managed Cassandra (a former brothel in Av Forest and Av de los Incas) and Dolly's (currently, La Nuit in Flores). In 1994, one of these brothers burned the house of a $300,000 debtor in Flores called Bagnato, killing the whole family but a young teenager.

You can find references by searching in Google:

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/8268/judicial/oyarbide/

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/2000/00-11/00-11-22/pag13.htm
(read "In search of the Blue Connection" - En búsqueda de la Conexion Azul)

Sorry, but those are in Spanish. Translate them using www.translate.ru (it's free) or any similar service.

My intention is not to scare you, just to inform you. I've been mongering since 1989 in Buenos Aires and I'm still alive and in one piece.

2) I don't believe that MCSE cannot leave Argentina. He only needs $400-500 to get away from there. Anyone can save that money by skipping 10 sessions with girls, so not a very big deal.

Foreigners should be aware that we Argentinians (or most of them, to be fair) are used to complain and whine, speaking out intentions that we really don't have. If you see the long lines of people in the Spanish and Italian consulates in Buenos Aires, you will perceive that the most difficult hurdle to leave the country is to get the Italian or Spanish passport. After that, most people can travel to Europe. I can't believe that an EU passport holder cannot gather $500 to buy a plane ticket to Rome or Madrid. If I were in his situation, I would sell my car or furniture if necessary.

3) There should be a pushy attitude from the police or the courts to competitors of Platynum, Gemidos and the like. Throughout the last 5 years, I noticed that few websites survived, and those who did didn't display significant advertsing, so most of the fees should come from girls to get their pics posted.

Since maintaining such sites isn't very expensive in Argentina, I believe that there is some mob-like attitude from the leaders to competitors.

4) I don't want to offend anybody, but people who work in this business managing service providers can barely have "good reputation" (I respect girls, no pimps). They may be friendly to foreigners, but not necessary fair players in their business.

Hope this helps and, please, nobody get offended. As other posters say, "life is good".

Andres

MoonDog

10-22-02, 15:21

Andres,

By good reputation, I meant honesty in dealing with photos on Platynum, 100% accuracy with www.escorts-argentina.com, and honesty and reliability in responding to the hundreds of email they get every day.

Managing service providers is not a function of the owners of Platynum. About 85% of the girls on Platynum have managers, but the owners have nothing to do with this.

Moondog

EZE_Amante

10-22-02, 18:23

Sadly, my remaining posts are being made from my home in the states, as I have just returned and I am exhausted. Again, thanks to all for the positive feedback, and I ended up having an extra day in heaven, but still missed meeting Moondog and Ezy. My loss. I wish I had time to read the forum and get the phone number, but as you read the reports that follow, you will understand that I just ran out of time.

Day Four (Being flexible)

I woke this morning at 10:00, after not nearly enough sleep (again). Like yesterday I ordered breakfast Americano from room service, and it arrived 15 minutes later, delivered by the lovely Soledad. I have a son her age, and I hope some day, that he finds a girl as sweet as her. Breakfast Americano consists of scrambled eggs, cold sliced ham and cheese, canned peaches and pears in a bowl, fresh bananas, kiwis, and apples, a large basket of assorted breads and pastries, and a curious mix of dry cereal that looks and tastes like corn flakes, frosted flakes, and cocoa puffs all in the same bowl. Also included at my request is a pot of espresso with warm milk, and a pot of cold milk. It is easily enough for three people imho for the cost of 26 pesos, which is kind of high for this city, but worth the cost to me, because it allows me the extravagance of lounging around my room in jeans and a tee shirt while waking up at my leisure. I may be missing out on the restaurants in the area, but I like it because I don’t have to get up and be full functioning until after my morning coffee.

I called Venus at 11:30 as agreed to yesterday, and she sounded delighted that I had actually called, but disappointed when I explained that I didn’t want to go out for lunch. Yesterday, I had asked her to lunch, but today, I was just so tired, that I wouldn’t have felt comfortable going out in public. Still, she readily agreed to come to the hotel for a couple hours, at 1:30. After a long shower etc, I felt sufficiently revived, but still less than energetic. I arranged for housekeeping to clean my room right away, explaining that mi amiga was due to arrive very soon. However, while the maid was cleaning the room, Venus called to say she had a problem, saying something about her boss not letting her leave work this afternoon, and she apologized profusely, to which I said it was no problem because I was so tired, and needed to sleep anyway. We then made a date for tonight at 9:00, and I promised to take her to dinner after we meet in my room. She kept saying “muchos besos mi amore” before we hung up. Damn this girl has my number. She pushes all the right buttons. I have to tell you, if I had a novia like her in the states, I probably would never stray far from home.

That being said, instead of catching a nap like any intelligent person would do, I proceeded to plan B, which was to catch a taxi to finally go to the Orleans Café. I had planned to do this on day one, but you know what is said about best laid plans.

I will post the details of my afternoon’s adventures tomorrow.

Hasta luego amigos!

EZE J

Ps. While posting in the business center, I decided to skip plan B, and proceed to plan C, which is to call the twins, Las Mellizas, from Platynum;
http://www.platynum.com.ar/Entretenimiento/Escorts/LasMellizas/LasMellizas1.htm

For those of you that just followed the link, how much do you think identical twins would cost in the states. Life is so good…

EZE_Amante

10-22-02, 18:31

Day Four Part Two

Ok, so much for plan B, the twins didn’t answer the phone, so I called Mailen and Gaby from Gemidos. I explained the hotel’s guest policy, and Mailen said it was no problem, and gave me the address to her apartment. I grabbed a taxi, he dropped me at the apartment house, which just happened to be in the middle of the same block as Hook, Ness, and Catoos. I rang their apartment and they buzzed me in, but it was apparent when I saw the place that it is a bordello, not where these girls live. The woman that greeted me at the door looked to be about 50, and I prayed this was not a bait and switch operation. I was definitely relieved when Mailen came in. Pretty girl, a tall blonde, who looked to be about 27, she had a serious tan, and a hard body with a fairly large tattoo on her hip. She was dressed only in white matching lingerie, stockings with garter and heels, and she looked like a serious pro. Gaby came in dressed very similarly in black panties and bra, and heels with no hose. Gaby is much younger, probably around 21. Of the two, Gaby was definitely the most gfe, with dfk while Mailen concentrated on parts further south. Lots of positions, with both, culminating with a deep throat cbj from Gaby, with Mailen putting her tongue and fingers to good use in the same area. I want to say that if I do another ménage while I’m here, I will go to a short stay hotel. This place reeked, and was just a dingy ***** house all the way around.

Mailen: 27 years old (approx), hard core pro, not recommended
Face: 7, pretty but too seasoned
Body: 8, definitely works out, but points deducted for surgical repair
Attitude: 6, friendly, but again too pro for my taste
Skills: 6, Gaby did most of the good work
GFE: 5, I’m probably being too generous
Overall Experience: Her part was a 4 at best
Photos: Neither girl allowed photos

Gaby: 21 years old (approx), very cute brunette
Face: 7, but softer and more playful than Mailen
Body: 7, not a hardbody, but nice figure and all natural
Attitude: 8, would have been a 9 with photos
Skills: 7, great dfk and deep throat
GFE: 7, probably would be an 8 on her own
Overall Experience: 6, not bad, but I’ve had better here

I caught a taxi back to the hotel, and went to the business center to post yesterday’s reports. As soon as I got to my room, the phone rang and it was Mayra. Guys, I cannot recommend her highly enough. She has answered all my mundane questions before, and during my trip, and has been very helpful. We talked on the phone for a good half hour, and like a lot of the girls here, she was super bubbly and friendly. Also, Saint, this lady thinks the world of you. The way she described you, you must be a class act. I’m looking forward to finally meeting in November.

I rested up a bit, and got a call from Leo. He was supposed to call around midnight so we could meet up for drinks, as I figured my planned session with Venus would take a good three hours. Well… Venus called, sounding almost in tears saying her boss would not let her leave for the hotel. I was really bummed, not angry, even if she was lying about how sad she was, I just don’t think I could be angry with this little beauty. Again, she kept calling me her amore, and promising that she did not work tomorrow, so she would come to me whenever I wanted on her personal time. If she was telling the truth, her boss is an ass. So, she promised to show up tomorrow at 6:00, apologizing profusely, and promising there would be no delays or excuses, and that I would be very happy with her. Maybe I’m being to easy on her, but I have to see her one more time before I leave. That kicked my plans for the evening in the ass, and by now, it was around 10:00, so I called Ale/Carol, to schedule a morning date, and called the twins. The lady that answered was their agent/madam who spoke excellent English, and she explained that they were not in after 10:00, but if I call tomorrow afternoon, she would try to set up an appointment. Together with a planned shopping trip for some leather goods, tomorrow is shaping up to be a very busy day. I will try to schedule the twins for Sunday, sounds like a good way to leave my new favorite place in the world. I hung around my room until 12:30 or so, and struck out on my own again when Leo failed to call. He must have been way laid J. I left my cell number at the desk in case he called, and caught a taxi to Shampoo. My plan was to hit Shampoo, then Puerto Columbo, and Playwoman if necessary. I never made it past Shampoo. I paid the 20p 1st drink price, and proceeded downstairs to the club, which was practically deserted compared to last night. I sat at a table to the right near the stage, which offered me a decent vantage point for the limited talent. There were only about 20 girls, and maybe half as many customers. I’m learning that Friday and Saturday nights, are not the best nights of the week for hobbyists. I sipped my drink, and watched the stunning blonde stripper next to my table, that I would have paid a lot of money to leave with. Before I finished my drink, the waitress (Ana Carina, super friendly and affectionate) explained the price for all the girls at the club is 200 pesos, and there is a 2 drink fee of 30 pesos each. Much better than Black’s imho. Even with the reduced talent level, before long I spotted my novia for the evening. Guadalupe is about 5’7”, cute but not beautiful, with waist length reddish (natural color) hair. Very affectionate in the club, and though she spoke very little English, we got on very nicely. After the obligatory drinks, and some decent conversation, we were off to the hotel. This may not have been the best session, but it was one of them. Very gfe, and another great kisser. Her body was as good sans clothes as advertised, tall, thin, with a tiny waist and long legs. I got what is now becoming the usual. Dfk, bbbj to completion.

Guadalupe: 23 years old, long natural red hair (you know my preferences by now)
Face: 6, cute but no stunner
Body: 7, tall thin, firm little top, but points deducted for the body art not apparent until she was sans ropas
Attitude: 7, acted as if she were in love
Skills: 6, took a long time, of course by this time, it could be my fault
GFE: 7, enough said
Overall Experience 6, nice but nothing to write home about

I finally made it to bed after 6. Day five is shaping up to be very promising, but I only have five hours until my next appointment with Ale.

More tomorrow

EZE J

EZE_Amante

10-22-02, 18:39

Day Five (The most promising so far)

I woke up around 9, after not nearly enough sleep. I wonder how long after my return it will take to get used to waking up around the same time we go to sleep here. Oh well, Ale showed up on time, great girl. Read my previous post about her, and double the pleasure numbers. Upon leaving, she made me promise to call her first on my next trip. I agreed, but she is my second favorite, and my favorita will be the first call I make for sure. Our session went three and a half hours for three hundred pesos. After that, the guys and I met up for our shopping expedition. We went to the leather factory recommended by Mayri, and two of us bought some very nice jackets and belts. I have to say, Leo’s friend from Miami, is a shrewd negotiator. We got a decent discount, and ended up spending a good hour and a half at the place. The name of the place is El Creador, it is on Santender, and they have an excellent selection of every kind of leather good you can imagine. I have the phone number and address if anyone needs it, just send me an email. Have Mayra set you up, and you won’t regret it. The entire staff was super friendly, shaking hands, and kissing cheeks all the way around. We were all pretty hungry, and I still had a few hours till my next appointment with my favorita, so we asked the manager of the factory where the best place in the area was to get a steak. The manager set us up with a driver, and sent the older guy working in the factory to the restaurant to explain to the chef, that we are friends of his, and he promised the restaurant would treat us right.. We got to the restaurant, and were greeted by the manager, and had some decent chicken and steaks, several cervezas, and vino tinto, followed by strong café. When I asked “La cuenta por favor”, the waiter said “No pagar”. Can you believe that! Nowhere in the states does this happen. Apparently, the old guy had prearranged the whole dinner before we even ordered. The funny thing is we had been jokingly talking about him paying for us, but all of us were stunned when there was no charge. Just one more reason why this is the best city in the world.

We decided to meet up later that night to hit a club in Belgrano (Estilo Nuevo Bolich). I headed back to my hotel for my novia, who showed up right on time. This is one time I’m not going to share details, but, let me say that this is as close as it gets to real love for me, understanding the limitations. I’m not naïve, so before you club me over the head for being stupid, understand my eyes are wide open. Four hours later, she didn’t want to leave, and I didn’t want her to go, but the hobby must come first. There were five of us together, so we took two taxis to Belgrano, and found the club without too much difficulty. The place was ok, but the talent level wasn’t to any of our tastes. I think this club has been mentioned in this forum before, and Leo can fill in the details, but we paid 15 pesos each for a ticket for the first drink, and proceeded inside after chatting up the girl at the door. Before I go any further, let me explain that after the time spent with my favorita, I was not going to get a girl, unless she was a solid 9. That said, the deal in the club is that you pick out the girl you want, then negotiate price, and you can either take her to your hotel, or they have rooms upstairs. The latter would be a good option if you wanted to have multiple sessions before heading home.

Break: Right now I’m sitting at a table outside La Strada sipping an espresso, and it is a beautiful, sunny day, a little on the cool side, but lots of sun and a light breeze. This is an extra day I didn’t plan on, but I’m just going to lounge around the cafes today, and watch all the beautiful women stroll by. I may hit Newport one more time this afternoon, if I don’t manage to meet up with Esy, I would really like to meet Marcella. (Edited in later, Newport doesn’t open till 10pm). I saw her last night, but she left with someone else. I’ll provide more details of the extension to my trip in a subsequent report.

Anyway, we left the club in Belgrano after a couple drinks, but the one thing I wanted to mention is that it was Saturday, and this Sunday is el dia del madre (mothers’ day) in Argentina. At midnight the 20 or so girls in the place, including the one that looked a lot like Pippi Longstocking, start going around and hugging each other and kissing cheeks. It was like being at a New Year’s eve party in the states. All of them kept saying feliz de dia del madre! So, we now have a good way to check and see if the girls have kids, just go the night before mothers’ day. Allright, so since the long tall DJ wasn’t on the menu, we headed for greener pastures. The problem is that there were none on this night. This was definitely the worst night of my trip for the numbers of girls available. We went to 7 or 8 clubs in Recoleta, and found only a handful of even close to acceptable girls. I saw one at Playwoman I liked, and one at Shampoo, but they weren’t good enough to tempt me. I’m not sure if every Saturday night is this slow, but for my next trip, I’m going to arrange toda la noche with my favorita on Saturday. Also, it may be better to travel in smaller groups. Only one of us took a girl home, but I’ll let him or Leo post the details. We had hit every imaginable club, and the places were just dead. We ended up at Shampoo, where the one guy from Boston took home Veronica, after Leo’s friend negotiated an acceptable price. The remaining four of us didn’t care for anything on the menu there that evening, so we decided to hit Black, even though none of us think the inflated prices there are worth the talent. While at Shampoo, I spent my time chatting up the waitress I was now well acquainted with, Ana Carina. She loved it when I asked her why the most beautiful woman in the club, and the only one I was interested in, is a waitress. I think it is definitely a good idea to have some game with some of the regular girls. More about her will be posted later. So off we went to the highly over rated Black. This was the worst experience of my trip. We arrived at the club, and like all the others we had been to, asked if one of us could go in to see if there were any good ones inside without having to pay the entry fee. But, this was the only club that refused entry to all of us. The reason was apparent that there weren’t many girls there, and Blacks is more interested in the 20 peso entry fee, then the potential thousands the four of us might have spent if we had only been allowed to look. After we argued with the guy for a few minutes, I decided what the hell, for the good of the team, 20 was not too much to pay, so I could check it out, and like we suspected, there were only a handful of available girls, and no good ones. I was hot, because I felt like I had been cheated on purpose. Believe me when I tell you that they knew they had just lost four customers for good, but they obviously did not care, and I told the guy I would be advising all my friends to take their business elsewhere too. Consider it done. I will never set foot in this club again, as there are too many good clubs that appreciate our business. We spend a lot of money here, and I believe we should be treated better than that. After that we gave up on the Recoleta clubs, and took a taxi to Buenos Aires News (a big dance club), to check out the amateur talent. I knew when we got there that I was going to strike out, but it was an incredible place that was absolutely jumping. It is a cavernous building, with several bars and levels, and absolutely packed with hot girls, from teens to a little older, but literally thousands of people. You really press a lot of flesh getting from one end to the other. I saw lots of girls I wanted, but sadly, I am too old, and not nearly attractive enough to do well in a place like this. It was fun having these beautiful young girls putting their hands on my chest as we squeezed by each other. If I go there again, I will actually put some effort into scoring, but this time my heart was not in it. Leo did exceptionally well, getting the phone number of a little smoking hottie, that was all over him in the club before she and her friends took off. Again, I’ll let him post the details if he wants to, not my place to do it, but he got a date with the girl the next night. We ended up heading back to our hotels sans chicas. I arrived last, as the sun was coming up strong, a little before 7 am.

Not counting striking out in all the clubs, it was by far my best day of the trip, with two extra long sessions with my two favorite girls. A total of five rounds in one day, with no viagra enhancement, with two absolutely beautiful girls, is a good day for any man. My favorita actually cried when we kissed goodbye, exchanging email addresses, and we promised to study each others languages every day, so that when I return in November, it will be easier to talk with each other. Believe me we had no trouble communicating, as my somewhat limited Spanish was much better than her English. It is an incredible ego boost to have a 21 year old, perfectly beautiful girl tell you how special you are to her, and how much she will miss you when you go. I have lost my heart to these girls and this city.

While I’m sitting here, I’m getting some serious eye contact from an older stunner with flaming red hair. I think she wants me to approach, but I’m going to hold out for Marcella.

That’s enough about day five, when I went to bed, I was feeling incredibly sad thinking it was my last night here. I will miss Argentina, the beautiful women, and especially my favorita.

Ciao for now,

EZE :)

oldguy

10-22-02, 18:43

I gotta tell you, the Old Guy is kinda winding down. After several great days in Santiago, followed by five days here, the three hours of sleep per night starts to catch up. However:

Got up this morning and immediately called Sandy. She's back from her short trip, so we scheduled a 1PM to 3 PM at my hotel. She's a sweet girl--works hard, doesn't rush, really nice body. After a nice session, I took her to lunch. She talked a lot about the trade, how great the money was when the peso was pegged to the dollar, and how it sucks now. On the one hand, she knows that lots of people are out of jobs now; on the other, she's not putting much away for any future. She's not an Argentine, so she shared some interesting perspectives on Argentina versus other latin countries.

Saint: She's thinking of moving to Mexico to work. I don't know if you want to share any thoughts with her, but I have her e-mail. Shoot me a message at sailorman36@hotmail.com if you like.

I gotta head over to the Colmegna. Turkish bath, Roman bath, swim, and a massage might prepare me for whatever follows tonight. Damn, then I gotta spend three days in Sao Paulo! It's tough, but somebody's got to do the hard work.

EZE_Amante

10-22-02, 19:01

Day Six (Melancholy)

Waking up after only 3 hours of sleep again, it hit me that my hours here were fast dwindling, and I had time to lay there and reflect on my successes and failures this trip. I definitely did a lot of the things I wanted to for our little hobby, with the exception of photos (that I am willing to share), but fell woefully short on my tourist activities (I will try to do better with the photos on my next trip, sorry). So, the plan I made for the day was to head to the Orleans Café, and then go to San Telmo for the bazaar and flea market, to buy gifts and assorted mementos for this trip. The wind was actually howling outside my suite, and it was steadily raining. By the way guys, pack an umbrella, it’s the little things that can make all the difference. I got up and around, then packed all my stuff, other than the things I would need that day. I headed out around 11 am, and met a lady in the lobby from Houston who basically had the same plan (excluding the chicas downtown), for the day. The difference between us is that she is in antiquities, and actually has some clue what she is looking for. I, on the other hand, was winging it. As I understand it, the flea market is only open on Sunday’s, but the galleries can be shopped on any day. I took a taxi to the café which is on the corner of San Martin and Ave Cordoba on the opposite corner from the Phoenix hotel, for around 5 pesos. Some of the taxi drivers don’t know the places we visit, so make it a habit to have the exact address of where you want to go written on a piece of paper, so even if you don’t speak Spanish, you can communicate exactly where you want to go. I actually drew little maps on the backs of the note paper from the hotel, to make it easier. Being mothers’ day, the action in the Café Orleans was very slow when I arrived, so I sat there inside, watching all the beautiful girls stroll by with their mothers, while drinking some good strong espresso, and avoiding making eye contact with the rather homely (by BA standards) girls. After a little while, I had a decent lunch, of a steak and cheese sandwich, and papas fritas. While there, I asked if I could take some pictures of the café, which they allowed me to do as long as no customers or girls were in the photos. Then, I took a flagged a taxi for San Telmo. At this point, I want to mention that where ever you go in this city, there are taxis available, and I never waited more than a minute before flagging down a Radio Taxi.

San Telmo: Do go to the market at least once when you come here, it is an interesting place with lots of antiques and great stuff for gifts in the indoor galleries. I spent a couple hours there, and caught a taxi back to my hotel to drop off my bags. With several hours left before my flight, I went back to the Orleans, and chose a very petite little brunette named Lilo, I negotiated her down to 80, from the 200 peso asking price, while explaining that (because she was not up to the standards I now have) I was only interested in por boca. She promised it would be primo, so off to my hotel we went for what I thought would be my last quickie session of the trip. Bless her little heart and
tongue, she did a great bbbj to which she swallowed the payoff.

Lilo: Claimed 21 years old, and looked thirty, petite, below average by BA standards, but great if you like the average Mexican pro.
Face: 4, I know, I know, but I only wanted a polish, not the whole deal
Body: 4, a little flabby around the hips, and saggy tits
Attitude: 8, the girl seriously earned the 20 bucks I spent
GFE: didn’t exist, because I didn’t want it.
Skills: 7 for the bj, couldn’t tell you about the rest
Overall Experience: 6, because the bj was so good, and she left immediately after with a 10 peso tip.
Photos: You’ve got to be kidding, none wanted

After getting my last girl (so I thought) to leave, I finished packing, and double checked my flight info. Unbelievable, I got the departure time mixed up with my November trip, so I flew down to reception for a quick getaway.

Trip Extended,

Soy muy tonto, I got my fight times mixed up between this trip and the next, so I missed my flight. The guys at the front desk tried to help me out, and got me a driver who busted ass trying to get me to the airport on time, but to no avail. On leaving the Etoile, I tipped the guys at the desk handsomely, telling them to share with the rest of the ten people that work at reception. At the airport, I arrived only 45 minutes before the scheduled departure, so the flight was already closed. The ladies with United were very helpful and friendly, and changed my flight to the next night. They even called the hotel, and guess what, I got my same suite at the Etoile for my extended stay. I have to say, that there are worse things that could happen, than to get to spend another day in paradise. Since I was stranded at the airport without a driver, the ticket agent for United suggest a Manuel Tienda bus, with the agent promising me that the bus would take me to centro, where I would transfer to another van that would deliver me to the hotel. All this for the cost of 15 pesos, which is not bad in my opinion. This is a viable alternative to taxis, and privately arranged drivers. Also, these buses are used by the local flight crews, so it gave me a chance to chat up a stewardess who spoke flawless English, and loved it that I was not at all upset about staying another day.

I hope my boss is understanding when I call to explain my predicament. The additional cost for changing my flight is 150 US, because my ticket was non-refundable. After transferring to the van, and on the way to the hotel, the driver had to drop off two other people. One of which was a college age guy from Colorado. We struck up a conversation, and I learned that this was his first trip to BA, so I gave him the low down on the club scene for regulars, and the pros. He kept saying that he was going to be in trouble in this town. He was staying at a youth hostil, so I think he’ll probably have fun with the amateurs. Oh well, can’t wait to see what comes next. What an adventure this whole trip has been. The van delivered me to the door of the hotel as promised. The Etoile only charged me a half day rate, since I had already paid a half day for late check out. To their credit, all of the guys at the desk, seemed very sympathetic, when I arrived at the hotel. They dropped my bags back at the suite, and I called Leo and the boys to let them know I was still in town. Off I went to hit the clubs. Starting with Affaire, I saw one interesting possibility out of perhaps a dozen working, but decided to wait until I had been to a few more places. I went to Shampoo, and there was only one girl there, absolutely dead, and while chatting with my favorite waitress Ana Carina, I learned that Sunday nights are always bad, so it may be a good idea to have an appointment pre-arranged. I spent a good hour talking to Ana, because I was one of only three customers in the place. What a sweet girl. Understand, this girl speaks no English, and is not on the menu, but I loved listening to the way she speaks Spanish with the soft g sound (like in engine) in place of the yuh sound in words like yo, llamo, ayer. I believe this accent is unique to Argentina, but I couldn’t tell you why that is. Before I left, she asked for my room number at the Etoile, while making sure I didn’t write it down because it was not allowed by the management. This really surprised me, since the waitresses in the clubs while being friendly, are usually very hands off. She said she would talk to me later, and gave me a big hug, and kissed me on the cheek when we said ciao. I can’t wait to see her again on my next trip. It was about 1 am, and I was tired, the week was catching up with me. So instead of going anywhere else, I returned to Affaire. The girl I was interested in was with a local, but it didn’t look like he was buying, so I asked the waitress for a pen, to have Andrea call me later. The waitress looked at me like I was crazy, and went to get Rosario (the red head who collects the money at the door who speaks perfect English). Rosario explained to me that it is against the rules to give a girl your number, because then they might freelance. I told her that my intention was to have the waitress give her my number, so that when she was done with the local, she could come to my room. Rosario facilitated the transaction, charging me the 20 peso exit drink in advance, and said that Andrea would meet me in an hour. With an hour to kill, I stopped in at Newport, and spotted a pair of Brazilians that looked a lot better from a distance than they did up close, but I talked to them, and told them to call me in a couple hours, to go to a short stay hotel, while explaining that I already had a girl coming to my room. Enough! I went back to the Etoile to wait. Ten minutes later, there was a knock on my door. The guys at the desk, at this point, had stopped even calling to announce my guests.

Andrea, a 5’1” brunette with middle of the back length hair. Cute, and petite, but her face definitely looked better in the darkness of Affaire. The cool thing about Affaire, is that it is right around the corner from the Etoile. Newport is a block away, and I wish I could shop for beautiful girls this close to my house in the states. The session with Andrea was just so so, which is a shame, because she had one of the tightest little boxes, and gave a really decent cbj. The problem is, while she did give dfk, I’m almost positive she was counting the flowers on the ceiling while I finished. Then, she couldn’t leave fast enough. Overall very disappointing, while still being satisfied.

Andrea: 26 years old, fairly cute brunette from Affaire
Face: 3 by BA standards
Body: 7, smoking little hard body
Attitude: 2, acted seriously bored
Skills: 7, see above
GFE: 2, I’m sure she was checking her watch over my shoulder while whispering mi amor.
Overall Experience: 4, again by BA standards, would be higher in the states
Photos: Didn’t want to break the camera.

Got rid of Andrea, and decided to call it a night. So, when the phone rang off the hook around 3:30, I ignored it and went to sleep. Around 5am, lo and behold, Ana called. I asked if she wanted to come over, but she said she had to get home to her daughter, but we exchanged info, and promised to get in touch during my next trip.

Not a horrible day considering I had two sessions, and got an extra day in heaven.

EZE J

Saint

10-22-02, 23:02

Wow. Great posts EZE_amante. I just got around to reading the board today. I have so much to do before I head back to Mexico City this weekend. Sounds like you've been bitten by the "BA bug" too. It's hard not to fall in love with that city.

Reading your posts it also shows that it's good to be flexible. Guys don't try to be too rigid with your plans. If something comes up or a girl you planned on seeing cancels or no shows... just move on to the next one on your list. Don't sit around and waste time. That's very nice that Mayri had good words to say about me. She has become a true friend over the past months. But rest assured, I do not refer her so much because she is my friend. I refer her because of the quality travel agent she is. She will literally go the extra mile for you and for many people that makes all the difference in the world. If you're going to BA, seriously consider emailing her at mayra@argentinago.com

It's good that you're realistic about the girls. Yes, it's easy to fall for them but you gotta keep things in perspective with them. My last trip I had some dude email me angry because I was posting about some girl he was in love with from one of the clubs. He was all mushy about how heart broken he was reading my posts. Also, I've known cases where I've been in BA and another dude and he will have seen a girl in the club so he'll expect none of the rest of the group to see her. This to me is just idiotic. If I see a hot girl and I want to sleep with her and she is working in a boliche do not expect any of not not to hook up with her. In fact, if I were in your shoes I'd rather have her hooking up with a friend that I know is a good guy and will treat her right. NEVER forget what these girls do for a living..no matter how wonderful they are.

It sounds like the clubs still suck. That's a real shame to hear. I hope things pick up by the time I'm there in 4 weeks. If not, I'll be hitting the internet hard. I agree that you shouldn't go out in too big of a group. It's hard enough sometimes finding one girl yet alone 4 or 5 hotties in a club. I've received no less than 5 or 6 emails from dudes that will be in BA over Thanksgiving. I'm already meeting 3 amigos so it might make sense to break up the group. No offense to guys that wanted to meet up but if we don't I hope you aren't offended. But I'd love to have dinner with some of you.

Oldguy, yeah.... Sandy is a real sweetheart. I'll try to hook up with her next month. I'd love to do another double with her and another girl. She could make some serious money in Mexico. Towns like Mexico City, Cancun, etc. charge US type rates ($200 - $250 US per hour or short session). I've hobbied in Cancun and now Mexico City and these girls can BANK if they wanted to. I know some girls that went to Mexico City but they came back to Buenos Aires. Even though the economy sucks there..the quality of life there if you have money is good. The place is hard to beat.

Keep the great posts coming!

Leo

10-22-02, 23:24

just back from a long weekend...

i was never alone, traveling with a friend (partner in crime at our 2 bdrm apt suite), and meeting up with eze_a and b.player from here. yes, being in a group is always more fun (imo).

ok, here we go, but first for some perspective… i'm not that ugly of a 30-something in-shape-enough guy. and, i live in miami - thus, what others might find as a 7-8, i probably think is a 5-6. not trying to insult anyone, just tyring to give perspective to provide better data. regarding looks, i like my girls young and tight, small ass and flat stomachs even if it means sacrificing chest, and pretty faces.

DAY-1

for our first morning upon arrival, we have internet girls arrive at our two bedroom suite at artsuites. lizzy from platynum was everything her pictures present. she will try to sucker you for us$100 if she know's you're gringo. days later i find she'll start at ar$150 otherwise. emma from a second-tier site (rubio or gemidos or tus chicas maybe) has her face blocked out, and now i know why - cig stained teeth... ok body i guess.... she's also genoveva at another site. maia from area-vip has put on a ton of weight in the ass since her pix, does 1 hr for ar$100.

we met up with friends for lunch and followed with a night of hitting some spots. we even had carem (from gemidos? or paraiso? or other 2nd-tier) join us for fun (off the clock)... note, she has a belly, and a little acne, but her face is a pretty as the pix. we started at newport for drinks, and at midnight or so was offered ar$200 for all night by marcella. i should have taken it, but i wanted to hang with the guys. so i got her number for the next day, only to later find out it was a fake number (damn, i get enough of those from amateurs in u.s.!!!). then we went to playwoman by about 1a, where i was dissapointed with the quality, as were the rest of us. we shifted to non-pro action by going to pacha, in the costanero area. many young girls, and while some might find them hotties, i just didn't think they were so pretty. we ended the night at shampoo, which as almost dead (at 3a... i know, too late...). to end the night for us, we do a visual through newport on the way home. there is one girl that i liked enough (at this point in the night) - i had seen her dancing/sitting with a 50-something guy when we were there earlier, and she’s still there (or returned more likely, huh?). so i had given her many flirting eyes earlier, we naturally immediately started talking… don’t remember her name, but she’s brasilian looking but told me she’s from dominican republic. anyway, she’s hot enough even by my standards, and it’s way late, and i’m horny enough… there’s maybe 3 men left in the place, and she won’t budge off of ar$300. finally, in frustration (or anger more likely by this point) i look at her and tell her she’s crazy, the place is about to close, no one else is even interested, and i’m ready to hit it for ar$100 or ar$200 (i don’t remember). she says no, i walk away, and within 5-10 minutes I see her leave alone. I guess she didn’t want to work more that night? or i’m just not all that i guess ;-) we leave for the night about 5 minutes later.

DAY-2

we use the day to get some leather jackets. mayri sets us up at a leather warehouse store outside of the main part of town (ar$12 taxi). good deals i think, but maybe the best of florida or santa fe streets (certainly not all stores tho) are equal/better, so a friend thinks. anyway, the store owners recommend a good lunch spot, which indeed was excellent. and they pick up the tab for us!! amazing how nice people in ba are!

ok, on to the night. i try to get oscar to do remis for us so we may start at nuevo estilo biloche in belgrano, but oscar tells me he's booked (way to go oldguy!!). no problem, the place is 2 blks off of libertador, and belgrano is a wealthy, nice barrio. we take taxis (5 guys in 2 cars), and arrive by 9:15 (per previous posts info). this place is well lit, and everyone is very friendly - it's just a neighborhood bar (with bedrooms upstairs). ar$15 entry incl a nice large drink, and a free entry card for your next visit next week. girls have standard pricing, with a little room for discount. they don't try to nail gringos. ar$80 for 1/2 hr, don't remember 1hr fee. girls are very nice but only 5-7s. of course, you find a so pretty girl with bad body, or incredible hard body with bad face/teeth/etc. if only girls were like mr. potato toys ;-) we leave at midnight for recolleta, starting at playwoman. nothing of interest… we proceed to hit every spot on azcuenaga, not finding more than one possible hottie in any of them… that's solid gold (very nice door staff, let's us all in to look), the next one up (can’t remember the name… ditto on the staff), then molhos (would only let part the group in for free to look, making the others wait outside… cool enough), and sadome (don't remember more about it other than we bailed). so, it's back across the cemetery to affaire, where it's the same story... maybe one keeper and we bail… then shampoo, which is another disappointment... one guy takes one out, and 4 of us move on. well, now we're ready to try blacks, although 3 of us agree we'll find it too expensive and not worthy.

it was worse, I'LL NEVER WALK INTO BLACKS AGAIN. I MUST RECOMMEND TO ANYONE TO NEVER GO TO BLACKS. the door staff were more interested in getting our ar$20 entry than our potential ar$100s of spending. they wouldn't let even one of us look inside while the others waited outside, and lied to us about the quality and quantity of girls inside. one person paid to look, and we almost(?) had to create a scene get his fee back. IMHO, BLACKS IS A TOURIST TRAP, AND TREATS GRINGOS LIKE SUCH. and what i know of the prices, it's at best merely too expensive.

well, it was 3a, we weren't gonna find quality pro-action, so we went to buenos aires news, a popular club (non-pro scene). there were numerous attractive girls here, plenty of 5-8+'s. i danced with one, and got a number (and had a date the next night, in attempt to set me up for my december visit when i might have quiet nights around xmas?). ba news was fun, even if we didn't score final action.

DAY-3

b.player comes over we spend the early part of the day having a 'casting call' of internet girls. see, so many have their face blocked out (the pix are real - not blue asterisks - just no faces in the pix) so we had a session where we try to get like 20+ to drop by. hell, it's only ar$10 to send them home, and this way well know who we want later in the trip. turns out it’s more fun than hitting on girls in u.s. bars… anyway, nearly all were disappointments! paulina at parasio has total fake pix, as does brenda/daniela/aldana (multiple sites). maria tia (platynum and another) is married and not working anymore (good for her!). rocio/camil (i think there's a different camil on another site maybe) never answered. erica (don't know site, ph is 4825-0085) has the body as in pix, but her hair was short and not the same color, borderline keeper. andrea at area-vip is a cutie, and has a new friend in town from sao paulo. she is true to the pix, but has the brasilian “i'm gonna work you” attitude, and wouldn't move off of ar$200/hr. too bad, we we're ready to double date them, incl dinner in palermo vieja.

anyway, for the night i have a date, and the others do their own things (maybe they’ll report?).

DAY-4

i hook up with sandy (argentina-escorts, platynum) in the morning. a real sweetheart, i'd have to echo everything saint has written. ar$100/hr for 2hr which lasted much longer, and all of a good time. i try to get her to join us for lunch, but she needs to do things, so as b.player, my partner from boston and i go to meet eze_a we give sandy a ride to her place. we do a drive by (visual) of orleans to get eze_a and then head to a great lunch a block away down san martin (towards plaza san martin from orleans, can’t remember the name but it’s “the something”, ending in –aba or –ado or similar). excellent lunch, i know b.player repeated there after i left. the day ended with fun hitting on local girls along florida st. on a weekday, florida is packed with locals, just doing their business, and we had a great time flirting. i was flying home within a couple of hours, so i couldn’t do much of it, but if you like to work amateurs, it’s a good place to spend daytime hours…

ok, that’s about it, hope you find it helpful. to finish, let me comment on some postings since my departure, or make some general comments:

1) to close the debate for now, artsuites is still very girl friendly. and the staff is the best - so nice… it remains my favorite place to stay.

2) mayri is the best. if you need help with hotel, car, travel, and any questions on the city itself, call her. there is no nicer person in ba to help you.

3) 2254 french is a nice place, and merian is very nice (but could fix her breath), but the girls are not that pretty, 3-6s imho.

4) taxis are everywhere, easier to hail than even nyc or sf.

5) there are many girls that will throw out prices higher than the “norm”. some of these you may negotiate down, others won’t.

6) you can buy candles and little gift items in the mini-bazaar near the cemetery, on the side where quintana dead ends. makes your hotel or apt much more romantic, and the little jewery or gifts make nice gifts for your girls.

7) barrios like recoletta, and palermo are safe for you… at night as safe as walking a street in say boston’s back bay, nyc’s chelsea, pacific heights or nob hill in sf, etc. centro or retiro are more like downtown, not quite comfortable (even if still as safe). once is a different story i’d think.

so, who’s going the last week of december?

JamesBond69

10-22-02, 23:58

>so, who’s going the last week of december? [/i][/QUOTE]

Last week of December NOT (for me).

I'm going for a full month, Nov 11 -Dec. 10th. There will be a ton of mongers coming down then, particulary around Thanksgiving.

BA weather will be perfect spring, hotel ates pre-high summer season and all the chicas saving up for Christmas and on full throttle.

Come on down. Join the pre-Christmas posse.

EZE_Amante

10-23-02, 00:47

Day Seven (Bonus Day)

I woke up early, and packed my stuff so I could check out at noon, while leaving my bags behind the front desk. I had to go to 4 banks, before I found one to take my card. The one I had used earlier in my trip (turn right outside the Etoile, down 1 block past the corner, turn right on the right), wasn’t working for some reason. I had to have cash, because I had only enough to pay the hotel and my changed flight. I finally found a Banco Boston on Santa Fe that worked. While I was in the taxi Mayra called to confirm that she had arranged for a driver for that night, and I returned to the neighborhood of the hotel to just hang out at the cafes, take pictures, and flirt with the girl at the restaurants. It was a nice way to spend a morning. The staff at La Estrada were especially friendly, insisting on taking photos with me, and showing me the menus (one in Spanish, one English). Around noon, I decided to take a Monday afternoon shot at Orleans café. The waiter knew me by now, and gave me a good seat. The place was packed with local businessmen having lunch, two other Americans that had just arrived the day before, and maybe a half dozen girls. I sat and sipped my espresso, and watched more girls come and go. There were a couple of real cuties, but definitely on average 5 to 10 years older than the club girls. I’ll bet if you had time to be patient you could pull some decent sessions. I called the guys, and they decided to come down to meet me after Leo finished his current date with Sandy, so we could go to lunch. Of course I was working a little portena, getting her number for my next trip, when the guys walked in tossing me shit about always working. It’s a tough job… So, we went to a restaurant a couple blocks down San Martin called El Estabo that Sandy had suggested. We had the best steaks I’ve had on my trip. They had to have been a pound or more, perfectly seasoned, and perfectly done medium rare to my taste. 13 pesos for the steak, 20 for my share including beers, a bottle of wine, and an after dinner liquor. Then we took a stroll down Florida for a few blocks, while getting practically attacked by the street girls. One particular group pinched us on the asses, it was hilarious. I had only a half hour to go, so we parted ways there, and the rest of my day was uneventful, just the usual…don’t want to leave but have to..

Final thoughts of my trip will be posted tomorrow.

EZE J

Marcos

10-23-02, 18:56

Originally posted by leo
just back from a long weekend...

....

b.player comes over we spend the early part of the day having a 'casting call' of internet girls. see, so many have their face blocked out (the pix are real - not blue asterisks - just no faces in the pix) so we had a session where we try to get like 20+ to drop by. hell, it's only ar$10 to send them home, and this way well know who we want later in the trip. turns out it’s more fun than hitting on girls in u.s. bars…

....

1) to close the debate for now, artsuites is still very girl friendly. and the staff is the best - so nice… it remains my favorite place to stay.

So you organized a chica parade at artsuites ? Great idea, how about including trannies and freaks for the next time, it costs just u$s 2 to send them back, but you, the hotel managemnt and the other guests will have a shitload of fun !
- Yes I'm being sarcastic - we've got plenty of people here calling for discrection at that place - and here you go with your casting call. You even had the face to say that they are still friendly, isn't that great news (sarcastic again).

BTW, from you report in general I get the feeling that you haven't really snatched much - may be the next time a little bit less of attention to looks, and more to attitude and other human qualities will get you more fun. I may be wrong, but I don't think you need to fly out to be hanging with the guys, buying leather and getting numbers at the disco.

EZE_Amante

10-23-02, 19:26

I have completed my first day back "in the real world", and it sucks. I miss BA so much, I just can't get it out of my head, and certain girls have definitely kept a piece of my heart. All day I kept thinking what I had been doing exactly 48 hours before, and I found my real life sorely lacking. I have absolutely decided to change careers, to allow myself to live down there at least half time. I know that may sound drastic, but the place gets ahold of you and into your blood. It's the people, not just the working girls, that make me want to be there full time.

Overall, I think I had a pretty decent first trip, but I'll let you guys who have been there before be the judges of that. I intended to see three girls a day while there, but ended up having such long extended sessions, that I just wasn't physically up to it. I ate like a king, and I still lost weight from all the bedroom exercise. I did have at least two beauties a day, and went at least two rounds with all but a few. Some went even more, and I usually paid around 100 pesos per hour. That's less than I pay my mechanic. With the exception of one chica from Affaire, every one of the girls did their best to make me feel like I was their best, if not only novio. That is a great quality for this hobby, that I have found nowhere else in my travels.

I hope to meet at least some of you during Thanksgiving weekend, as the time spent with Leo and crew was a bonus. Even on the nights the action wasn't good, we had a decent time.

That's all for this trip, unless anyone has specific questions.

Hasta Noviembre Amigos!

EZE :)

RB1

10-23-02, 20:47

Blacks

I was at Blacks last thursday and friday. I have to say that although expensive, the talent there was unreal those nites. 8's and 9's everywhere. 40 girls or so to pick from. some 6's and 7s. prices for drinks for a girl were anywhere from 40 - 100 pesos, gulp.

The girls ask anywhere from 100 US dollars to 200 US dollars. why? because they can.

I didnt go on saturday but i will tell you this. the girls told me that saturday and sunday are the worst days there. weekdays are better as more businessmen are in town so more girls work.

the girls have to work either saturday or sunday, not both.

I went to playwoman, solidgold, newport and affaire during my stay. i can honestly tell you that the quality of girls in each of those places was decent to poor, nothing spectacular.

I stayed at the loisuites and its a real nice hotel. no limit on guests and no sign in required. its 100 dollars a nite but worth it for me at least.

Leo

10-23-02, 20:50

Originally posted by stoly
...how about including trannies and freaks for the next time, it costs just u$s 2 to send them back,

...may be the next time a little bit less of attention to looks, and more to attitude and other human qualities will get you more fun.

...I don't think you need to fly out to be hanging with the guys, buying leather and getting numbers at the disco. I guess stoly implies i owe an apology to the hobby community - i'm sorry (sarcasm again) i don't like trannies and freaks. i'm sorry, i don't like having sex with ugly girls. and gee, i never thought of considering without first meeting the escorts' or call girls' other qualities besides looks - intelligence, sense of humor, and other 'human qualities' can be determined by photo?

why do you think i don't care about gfe, once i get over my own attractiveness hurdle (don't we all have one of these?). just because i don't spend _all_ my time at the hobby vs. having fun with friends, shopping, enjoying the cities cultural and visible beauty, or the amateur party scene (eg. discos) chasing 'regular' girls doesn't mean i don't contribute valueable 'hobby data' for our community?

sorry, but i'm not happy waiting over an hour to only see a plan-b girl to show up after an internet escort who doesn't include her face in a photo proves to be nasty - i schedule my back up in advance to shorten the cycle time. and my backup backup too. if they're attractive enough to me, i'll meet them later, and they're just as happy if i make them whole (pay their taxi). it's all discussed up front on the phone, i explain i understand why they don't include their face (eg. family concerns) and they confirm they don't mind being turned back with taxi cost if i'm not happy.

you want to continue your flame then post your email and we can spare our brothers maybe...

astroglide

10-23-02, 21:13

Hey Guys,

Thanks EZE_amante for the "blow by blow" commentary, I have really enjoyed your postings. I have been to BA a few times myself but not with the same success. In fact I have been going to Rio all summer on business and have enjoyed the perks. I have nothing to add about HELP, Barbarella or Frank' Bar that has not already been said. The same for the termas Solarium, Monte Carlo, Luomo or Rio Antigua. All these places are great and I have had a great time there. Now the reason for my post, I am going to BA at the end of November. However in Rio I go to the termas in the evening until the pickup bars open then go there to get a girl for the night. But in BA I have not found anything like a termas or private houses to go to until Playawoman, Affaire, Newports or Blacks open up. Am I not looking in the right places or are there not anything like a termas in BA. In BA I am staying downtown but could go to the suburbs by taxi for hobbying if need be.

Please let me know if there are termas like places in BA for early evening action or if escort service is all that is available (not that I am complaining about that wonderful service). Thanks in advance for any info and I promise to provide full details of any action that results.

astroglide

JamesBond69

10-23-02, 21:13

re: THE LEGENDARY LAS MELIZAS ARGENTINE TWINS!!!

I'm curious. Has anyone had any one to two (face to faces) actual experience with the famous identical Las Mellizas twins?

Las Mellizas, from Platynum;
http://www.platynum.com.ar/Entretenimiento/Escorts/LasMellizas/LasMellizas1.htm

They are advertised as the only twins on web. I know eze-amante made several tries but they had a manager/handler and were alway busy.

Do they actually exists or is this an urban hobby legend:-)

Leo

10-23-02, 21:29

there are no termas per say. but there are a couple of places that are similar, and in the similar time of the day you're looking for. i think the place on french would be it (quality is an issue here, imho, ymmv). as would a boliche - the one in belgrano starts best about 10p, which is an hour or two before the optimal arrival time for the night spots (affaire, playwoman, etc).

may i suggest internet women? there is a much more robust internet escort scene in ba than in brasil. all caveats as posted (and there are many), but you can have an internet session up until night, and then hit the night spots which all have optimal arrival times of 10p or later.

astroglide

10-23-02, 21:54

leo,

WOW! Thanks for the quick response. I will try the Internet, any particular sites or escort services that you would recommend. I speak a little Spanish but would prefer not having to work very hard. Yeah, yeah I know I want everything.

Thanks again!

astroglide

JamesBond69

10-23-02, 22:03

Originally posted by astroglide
leo,
but would prefer not having to work very hard. Yeah, yeah I know I want everything.
Thanks again!
astroglide

Hey. "Work makes you free".
Do the required homework & check out
http://www.girls59.com.ar/escorts.htm

Search this forum. Your brothers have gone to great lengths to get you the info you need. Let it not be to no avail. Don't be lazy. Use what you have been fortunate to be given by those who have adventured before.

JamesBond69

10-23-02, 22:26

re: THE LEGENDARY LAS MELLIZAS ARGENTINE TWINS!!!

http://www.platynum.com.ar/Entretenimiento/Escorts/LasMellizas/LasMellizas1.htm

I just got an email from a hobbyist that claims that he did business with the
twins and that they are beautiful and Siamese!! - joined at the hip.

The photos indicate that they are identical but separated? Has the photos been altered or is the hobbyist telling the truth. Indeed do the Mellizas exist or is this a mere trick photograph, like the Loch Ness Monster, Bigfoot, etc?

Bond, James Bond 69 wants to know, as he plans to investigate "Las Mellizas" next month for "Ripley's Believe it or Not - the X rated version."

Saint

10-23-02, 23:12

Again, I think we can agree to disagree. I agree with Stoly to an extent. I would NEVER do what Leo did. When booking with a girl with a blocked face on the internet you are taking that chance. IF it is the girl in the internet advertisement (even if her face is ugly) I think it's best to pay her more than $2 US for her trouble of coming all the way out to your room.

If it is NOT the girl in the ad than I think it's fair to pay her a fair exit fee. You guys have to realize that these girls look better on the web. I agree that arranging a "casting call" is not the smartest thing to do as far as discretion goes. Also, realize that these girls are taking the time to come all the way out to your hotel. If you don't like her that's fine but pay the girl more than $2 US for pete's sake. JMHO.

Again, I'm not talking about scams. I'm talking about girls that show up but don't look as good as their internet pictures or have their faces blocked. How would some of you like it if a girl showed up to your room and she didn't like what she saw and said...um I change my mind.

Also, having a string of girls come and go from a place like the Art Suites doesn't help any of us that want to stay there in the future. I'm all for having fun but I also believe in respecting other hotel guests and sometimes having the high volume makes a scene. JMHO.

I'm not saying I'm right on this but I will sure as heck give my 2 cents on it. Also, on the matter of Black's. Yeah, the place is EXPENSIVE and yeah the management might suck but it's your choice whether to go up or not. It's a hit or miss type of place. Some nights it had great girls and others it sucked. Same as other clubs. I was never charged an entrance fee (except once last trip). 20 pesos is only 20 pesos. I can't wait to go back to Paradise.

Life is good.

santaclaus

10-24-02, 01:20

Originally posted by leo
just back from a long weekend...

DAY-1

for our first morning upon arrival, we have internet girls arrive at our two bedroom suite at artsuites. lizzy from platynum was everything her pictures present. she will try to sucker you for us$100 if she know's you're gringo. days later i find she'll start at ar$150 otherwise.

Brother mongerer Leo,

How was Lizzy. I have my eye on her myself. Is she worth it? Does she love what she does or is she in just for the dinero?
Please elaborate, if you don't mind.

SC

Slick1

10-24-02, 02:26

While not inclined to add fuel to the fire or impinge upon anothers right to freedom of expression, I must say that I am backing STOLY on this one. Theres always a line that can be crossed where one mans interpretation of enjoyment equals another mans definition of exploitment. Many of these lovely, charming ladies are single moms simply trying to survive and put food in their childs mouth. Quite frankly I don't believe tossing them a couple pesos to make them whole again is just compensation for making them unknowing participants in some sophmoric casting call. One final thought. When was the last time a club in the USof A let you bypass the cover charge to check it out to see if you like the place. Pay the 20 pesos, its only 5 bucks. Or perhaps thats 10 more ladies you can reject and send home in a cab.

MCSE

10-24-02, 04:34

here are a few commonly used lunfardo terms you wont find in a spanish dictionary:

1. Those words make reference to penis:
chizito (tiny)
pito (little)
pija (average)
pijudo (a guy with a large penis)
goma (average), gomas stands for tits
chota (disgustingly large, or to fear from it)
verga (agerage to big)
poronga (huge). This term also stands for a prision leader.

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2. Assorted

concha - pussy
argolla argosha - pussy
traba, trava - shemale
puto -gay
se come la galletita -seems he's gay
trolo -gay
trola -cheap prostitute
giro/shiro -street walker
gato -fine prostitute
turra -non pro /stealer
turrita -term used by women when they think she will stole their husband
chiruza -horney girl from the province (this term is also used by scared women also)
groncha -ugly
torta, tortillera -bisexual or lesbian woman
negro/a and grone -tan, mestizo, bro, and black.

garpar -to pay
garca -guy who doesn't respect a deal. i.e.: Jose Barletta es un garca
garcar -make shit, aslso: the facts that make you a garca.
afano -robbery
guita gheetta -money
chabon -guy
coger -fuck
garchar -fuck
polvo -intercourse
culiar -ass fucking
pete -blow job
pelotudo -jerk
acaba -cum
cola -ass
colita -ass, ass hole
ojete, ohete -ass hole
orto -ass hole
forro -condom / stupid guy.
baranda -smell

cana -cop / jail
la yuta -cops (from the italian "La Giusta")
chapa -cops persecuting street hookers
patovica -muscle guy outside the disco / brothel who may fight or kick your ass.
curro, currar -make easy money
porro, porrito -Mary Jane
Escavio -Drink (cheap)
Laburo -work (if a cutie says "estoy laburando" stands for "i'm on duty")

boludo -guy and stupid or both
pibe -kid
chepibe -delivery guy
piba -any woman under 18 years old
pendejo -jerk / curly hairs from any part of the body
petisa -small girl
pajero -man hwo masturbates himself
leche, huasca -the holly product of male

3. expressions:

que haces? -what's up?
salir de levante -looking for someone to fuck with
la concha de la lora -holly shit
la concha de tu hermana -fuck you
la puta que los pario -holly shit + fuck you
andate al carajo -fuck you (also joraca is the same as carajo, in some sense a little soft exp).
ni en pedo -no way
sos boleta -term used by mob to tell you seriously, you are about to be killed by them
tomatelaas / via via -get out
rajar, rajá de acá -get out
me hiciste peolota -you've fucked me so hard
estoy caliente -i'm horney or i'm pissed off or i'm very angry
te doy la colita -fuck my ass
me pongo en cuatro -doggy style
tirar la goma -blow job
hacerse los ratones, ratonearse -thinking but demonstrating about sex
sin globito -BBBJ
aptos, apartos -dildo (NP ads too)
T/C -credit card (this you may see on newspaper ads)
TE- phone # (on ads and business cards)

4. money related:

guita -money.
1 mango -1 peso
1(una) luca -1.000 pesos
1 palo -1.000.000 pesos
1 palo verde -one million dollars
you may never say "una luca verde" reffering to US$1k

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Chau!

Havanaman

10-24-02, 11:04

Gentlemen,

I'm getting bad vibes from this board. Leave the guy alone! Leo has reported back some excellent information and added to a resource that we all use. This is especially important to even experienced hunters but new to BA, like me (and indeed the few hundred lurkers who just take the information and give nothing back ~ you know who you are…).

Every hunter picks his own tactics. Innovation is part of this process.

I have used a multitude of tactics ranging from email (pen pall) befriending of chicas, to news group contact meetings, to university notice boards. Each tactic has it merits as well as its down sides. Vacation time at the location we are hunting in will dictate what we do in the time available.

To have a string of ladies present for viewing is exactly the same as those very same ladies being presented in anyone of a million bordellos and pleasure houses across the planet. To have these very same ladies come over to your place for a viewing is no different, especially when they are not left out of pocket financially. The basics here are that you are buying a service. We must not forget that.

The feelings of the women is a tricky issue. However, how many jobs have you gone for and ended up not getting? The principal is the same. At least having direct access to a group of candidates allows you to then contact any one of them back at your convenience. This is especially useful for back-up material, when your main choice lets you down.

These ladies do deserve our respect in providing a very good, healthy and much needed service. They enter the profession, for whatever reason, knowing the pros and cons (no pun intended). They do not all have a 100% hit rate in clubs or indeed from the net ~ rejection, "thank you but we won't be needing you today…" is a basic characteristic of every trade: especially for sex workers. You only have to be the last few guys to leave a club to this in action: the number of chicas going home empty handed…

In saying all the above, I suppose what I'm trying to say is that this is:

~ Not the forum to espouse moral arguments.
~ Each player has every right to use his own tactics.
~ The sharing of a tactic / skill is IMHO part and parcel of this excellent forum.
~ No player has the right to hassle another player, especially when one considers relative experience…
~ In having "viewed" a number of ladies, Leo becomes an excellent source of information, which he will no doubt share using this board.
~ Let him without sin…. (Ohhhhh, a bit to close to home that one…)

For my part can I just thank leo for some excellent reporting now and previously. Here endeth my 0.02 euros worth...

Regards

Havanaman

Amantelondres

10-24-02, 11:32

Hi guys
Have been a regular visitor to BA as have family there. On my last trip I particularly enjoyed Wendy of Platynum (click on name on left side of page) She is absolutely fabulous and has a good friend living next door if you fancy a threesome. Can't remember her name but also recommended. If you see Wendy, tell her el ingles sent you...she'll look after you.!
Also, although not as busy as some of the other clubs, strongly recommend Periplo Bar opposite Marriot Plaza in Marcelo T. de Alvear. have always found good quality there and it's a quiet but classy bar. Best time around 9 to 11 pm.
Plan to be back in BA in November.

Leo

10-24-02, 12:40

i'll follow up just because y'all seem to want to judge... notice i put the term casting call in quotes - meaning it was just a term... we didn't hold a casting call.

we had three borthers in the apartment at the time. the other two were casually present in the apt when my girl came. ten minutes later anonther dude's girl was scheduled, and naturally if i wasn't in the bedroom with my girl i was casually there, say watching tv. that's three girls in 30 minutes.

so like i said, thinking a girl might not be up to my tastes (and from past experiences on this trip many girls don't hold up to there pix, unlike my other trip's experiences) we had scheduled plan-b girls 30 minutes later, each. so that's six girls in one hour. naturally, one of six brings a friend without telling you, so make it seven.

so, i have to claim we did nothing malicious, nothing obnoxious. if i like my plan-a girl, one of my bros could then take the next girl. if we we're all satisfied before the last girl came, we could cancel the later girl (how many times has a ba call girl blown you off?).

and i discussed the no face in pix issue with each girl, and each girl agreed that there's a chance her caller wouldn't like what he saw when given the chance. it's the mutually recognized tradeoff for not including your face. and each girl agreed on the phone in advance that she'd come out knowing she'd get taxi return. and hourly rates were discussed in advance with each (except one or two mistakes).

ok, flame on or let if go...

Leo

10-24-02, 12:58

sc-

lizzy met my friend i was traveling with, not me. so i can't give all the details. if you post your email address i'll forward it to him and you can get more.

but i did speak with her that day and days later (must have been good if he goes for a return trip - eh?).

upon arrival it became known that my friend forgot to discuss the dollar vs. peso deal, and lizzy wanted ar$370. i speak ok spanish, so i explained that we don't have dollars (what atm in ba kicks out dollars?). we talk with adriana on the phone, and she explains that basically, to paraphrase, "if you're a stupid gringo and forget to ask for peso pricing (in which case you'll likely get ar$100/hr), then you get dollar pricing, us$100/hr."

my buddy wanted action, and we realized he was either locked in at ar$370 for the session (granted, 1.5-2 hrs), or he could send her home with taxi and tip for the misunderstanding.

he kept her and overpaid. she seemed real friendly and nice, other than the attitude of "hey, you screwed up in scheduling me directly with adriana, so now i'm locked into wanting us$100." the attitude was a little strong, but it was my buddy's mistake...

two days later i called her directly on his behalf to schedule another visit. i told her we only have pesos, this time we want normal pricing, not stupid gringo pricing. she quoted ar$150/hr, likely meant ar$200 for two - the going rate. but when we called that day to confirm, she was "with man", meaning on the rag, she said.

santaclaus

10-24-02, 19:07

Originally posted by leo
sc-

but i did speak with her that day and days later (must have been good if he goes for a return trip - eh?).

Leo,

if your friend wanted to have another session with lizzy, enough said.
the adage "action speaks louder than words" apply here.

thanks for the info. will return the favor once i fly to BA.

SC

Slick1

10-25-02, 00:34

Havanaman,

One should not interpret my last response to be an attack on the performer when it simply was MY opinion of the performance. Not all "tactics" can be rationalized as appropriate because they are done in pusuit of "the hobby". From the mere fact we all visit this board somewhat implies we may share some of the same moral fibers. However lets not invoke issues of morality when it simply boils down to a matter of simple respect. Respect for the ladies, guests, hotel mgmt etc... Obviously there has been enough backpedaling in subsequent posts to suggest MY review may have been too harsh, and if so, I apologize. As any traveller to BA can attest, there is a certain magical charm, sophistication, how shall I say, savoir faire, about the place that is perhaps unrivaled amongst the many happy "hunting" grounds. Without that, we might as well be in Bangkok.

Havanaman

10-25-02, 13:44

slick1, Gentlemen,

I'm already bored with this…. Each to their own, eh?

Lets agree to agree in parts and disagree in others, "peddle" forward and move on….

As Master Saint has said "Life is good", I would add "...and too short for quibbling...."

T - 49 days for me, and counting. BA here I cum.

Regards,

Havanaman

Marcos

10-25-02, 16:04

I want to say that the only reason why I flamed is because Leo & friends had their "casting call" (due quotes in place) ar artsuites, that for many of us is kind of a special place. Maybe be they didn't knew, but the management already said that "too many unannounced guests cause problems and may cause the policy to change". I don't want this to happen.
All the rest Leo said makes sense, I appreciate that he reiterates the message about Blacks and the other info. At the same time I agree 100% with Slick1 and Saint about their views on a kosher approach to monging.

I used sarcasm to make my message stronger, but really there was nothing personal. I'm not posting my email now, because I haven't choosen yet the appropriate channel.

Respect to all, life is good.

EZE_Amante

10-26-02, 08:49

I just wanted to add one post script. The Thursday night I was in Black, the talent was plentiful. I saw several 8-9's, and left with one after negotiating down, but still over paying in my opinion. This was the only time I felt I overpaid. On average I paid less than 100 pesos per hour of quality time with a beautiful and friendly girl. Do the math, can't find that where I live. On the Saturday night I was in Black, it was as dead as the other clubs, and I didn't stick around to see what the asking price was. I think the girls in Black continue to charge outrageous prices, because we think to ourselves "what the hell, it's only a 150 or 200 bucks" to sleep with a 9 for a few hours. I won't make the same mistake on my next trip. I don't know if the numbers reading this board can make a difference in there or not, the place had as many customers as girls when I was there.

Upon reflection, I will return to Black, and see how things are. The talent there overall is slightly better than the other clubs, but I won't pay that much again, and the new Shampoo was my favorite for customer service, and had a couple 9's on different nights. On Thursday night (I think), there was a girl already accompanied, that is the closest thing I've ever seen to a 10 up close. Better than anything I saw in Black.

Just my 2 pesos worth.

EZE :)

MagicHat

10-26-02, 16:50

Argentina or Costa Rica?

I have to decide this week end where I'm going to go for a fortnight's holiday at the end of this year. I did Costa Rica last year and it was excellent, so I am looking at Argentina this year but will be on a fairly tight budget. I know what Argentinian women look like, and how different they are from the Ticas, Nicas, Columbians etc that you find in SJO, but I have some questions on the general 'scene' in Argentina, which I would be very grateful for any information on;

- most of the action seems to be based around either internet agencies or expensive clubs; Blacks, Platynum, etc, is that correct?

- are there any slightly less high-end bars/clubs, where the girls cost in the US$15-30 range?

- are there places where you can go with the girl on the premises rather than have to go back to your hotel?

- is there any street trade, or a red light district (if so where)?

- what are boliches?

- looking at this website, there seems to be little action outside of BA; is that a fair assessment?

- are there massage parlours and if so are they any good?

- has anyone tried the ads in the Clarion?

- is there any semi-pro, co-ed type action?

Basically I'm trying to build up an overall picture of the whole scene down there, which maybe could be posted in a separate section for newbies like me, so we dont have to keep asking questions like these. I scrolled back a long way but could see much info on these topics. My email is

magichat16@yahoo.co.uk

if you prefer not to reply to the whole board.

Many thanks for all your help,

Magic Hat.

MoonDog

10-26-02, 18:44

Magichat

Avoid BA at all costs between Christmas and about January 6th. The town will be absolutely dead during that time, with many clubs, restaurants, and businesses closed. Even Cafe Orleans is closed during most of that time.

On top of that, most off of the chicas are out of town visiting with their families.

Best bet during that time would probably be Rio.

Moondog

MagicHat

10-26-02, 19:38

Moondog

Thanks for the (excellent) advice; point taken. Fortunately I can be fairly flexible and could probably go the two weeks before Christmas, and possibly even the first 2 weeks in January, so long as I book my vacation time out of the office at the beginning of next week. But could you or anyone else help me out with the info below?

many thanks

Magic Hat.

Andres

10-26-02, 19:45

Magichat:

These are my answers:

> - most of the action seems to be based around either internet agencies or expensive clubs; Blacks, Platynum, etc, is that correct?

Yes for tourists or non-Spanish speakers, but the whole experience is broader for Spanish speakers. For instance, there are boliches in Flores, Constitucion, Avellaneda and Liniers that cater to locals, similar to IDEM or 747 in SJO (I went to both places, so I can compare).

> - are there any slightly less high-end bars/clubs, where the girls cost in the US$15-30 range?

Look at my posts about the Flores scene. There, you should find 6-10 places for that money or even less.

> - are there places where you can go with the girl on the premises rather than have to go back to your hotel?

Many places in Flores work that way. If you stay in Recoleta, you can try the Affaire branch of Pueyrredon Av an Paraguay St., only 1 mile from the Recoleta Cemetery.

> - is there any street trade, or a red light district (if so where)?

Not Red Districts, but several SW zones: The Flores, Once, Recoleta and Constitucion quarters provide SWs. Look at my previous posts.

> - what are boliches?

Boliche is a very general word that means "shop" or "store" or "disco". A bar could be a boliche, a brothel too. It is also used for low quality service/manufacturing shops.

> - looking at this website, there seems to be little action outside of BA; is that a fair assessment?

Not very fair. There is action in the innerland, but the distances and the risks generally don't overcome the benefits. The second "outskirts row" of neighborhoods sorrounding Buenos Aires became really scarying, and crossing it always entails a risk. You would like to go to Mar del Plata in Summer if you want to escape from the asphalt jungle of heat and moist (BA summers are really hot and wet). There is action there and the highway is very safe.

> - are there massage parlours and if so are they any good?

Read my posts of July 2002 and December 2001. I went to a MP in Esmeralda St and Cordoba Av that was acceptable. I think that quality of such places is hit or miss.

> - has anyone tried the ads in the Clarion?

I tried several ads in Clarin, but I'm a local and I know which buildings may be safe and which may not be so safe. IMHO, it's a risk for a newcomer to go there (as risky as is going to London's SoHo and picking the wrong place).

> - is there any semi-pro, co-ed type action?

I guess that in Corrientes Av (between Callao and 9 de Julio) there should be several girls in coffee shops just expecting a man to pass by after midnight, invite them something and arrange a casual agreement, but I'm not sure.

Moondog hit the nail: BA is semidesertic during the holidays, so it's better that you go to another vacation-like scene.

Personally, I have to go on the holidays, so I have no choice, but I arranged a list ot "must-visit" places and they are more than a dozen, so I have enough fun for 2+ weeks, if I like (some places worth to be visited more than once). Look at my previous posts to find out about them.

Hope this helps,

Andres

HNormal

10-27-02, 02:22

[QUOTE]Originally posted by EZE_amante

Hi Eze & Saint, being reading you guys reports for a while, I probably will make a spare time for a short trip as well going down there..before Xmas.
I'm from Ontario Canada. And you guy's infos were just great.
Is it possible to ask you some chick's tel ? if you can share some pics in advance, I'll really appreciate it.

HombreNormal5@yahoo.ca

MagicHat

10-27-02, 17:21

Andres

Thank you for all your advice. I have looked back at your previous posts (and Ezy's and Saints), and with those and your email below I have most of what I need. I do like the sort of place like 747, Idem, Molino Rojo, Club 40 in SJO as I find the girls more friendly/natural and theres a much better chance of a GFE, than in expensive nightclubs. I also speak Spanish which helps alot in those sort of places. Will also check out Blacks and Platynum etc. but thats probably not my scene. Am going for a couple of weeks so hoping to get out of BA and see Iguazu, Tucuman, Mendoza and Mar del Plata as well as BA, (and watch some football too if possible), so I'll report back from those places on my return.

all the best

Magic Hat.

Saint

10-28-02, 02:53

Just got back in the country tonight and really tired from not really sleeping this weekend.

HNormal, sorry but I don't give out chicas phone numbers. It doesn't matter though. If you go back and read my reports from May and September I wrote the names of all the girls I saw. Many of them are internet girls that have their phone numbers published on escorts-argentina.com, area-vip.com.ar, or platynum.com.ar.

Buenos Aires is NOT a hard city to hobby in. There is so much action there between the clubs and the internet sites. It is also very very cheap compared to other destinations. I have been to Mexico City the last two weekends and that city is damn expensive and it doesn't have anything compared to BA.

Guys, don't make your trip to BA difficult. Don't over plan. Just read this board and you'll know what to expect. So many good guys have taken the time to post excellent information. Who said there is no free lunch? This board is the closest thing to it.

Have fun. Life is good.

EZE_go

10-28-02, 05:07

Hi guys,

I'm new to the hobby. I started when I went to EZE at the end of september, however my stay was much too short so I am going back on the tomorrow and will be there on the 29th for 4 or 5 days. Anyone interested in meeting one night?
EZE_go @yahoo.com. I'll check it in EZE too, because I will have access to computers there.

I have really enjoyed reading this board. I like to personally thank EZE_amante, Leo, Saint, and I few others for your extensive reports. I feel like a old hand now. I really wasn't that tempted in the pass, because many moons ago I had a lousy experience with a totally boring pro in Amsterdam and never looked back. Well, the temptation in EZE was just to much and wow what a difference. I tried it out just before I left and boy was I sorry. I am a changed man now and after reading the board I can't wait to get back.

I'll try and give you all some reports on my experiences to return the favor. EZE_Amante it would be cool to get your list of 100 woman!

Take care and wish me luck!

EZE_go

EZE_go

10-28-02, 05:24

Leo,

or anyone else, where did you get the vitamin V in BA? Sometimes condoms turn me off and being new to the hobby it would be cool to have some Vitamins just incase!

eze_go@yahoo.com

ezy

10-28-02, 10:46

EZE Go....the pharmacy on the corner of Florida and Paraguay sells Viagra without a prescription....4 100 mg. tablets for 77 pesos....

Leo

10-28-02, 13:17

i did ask a few pharmacias around town for vit v, and none would supply without a script, except (the) one on florida. but they had only 50mg (4x) version. i didn't buy it, but i did see it close up, and it is merck sealed real deal.

EZE_go

10-28-02, 16:48

Leo,

Bilfort 50 is Vitamin V, sidenafil citrate. from your posts I thought you tried it. Where did you get that from?

I'm leaving today! Yahoooooo! I'll be on EZE street tomorrow. Makes your blood boil doesn't it! It's weird how so many of us have the same experience, how the place gets under your skin so quickly. I like many of you have been all over the world for many years, but this place is special and what really makes it special is the women. Wine, women and song as the saying goes!

Yahoooooo! I'm gone..............

Leo

10-28-02, 17:22

eze_go,

you must have read someone else's posts - i've never tried the stuff. but from what i've read here and elsewhere, i wouldn't try anything but the pfizer stuff, especially something made by a company i don't know...

Saint

10-28-02, 18:28

Hey guys. Nothing for nothing but Merck is NOT the maker of Viagra. Pfizer is the maker of Viagra. As I posted before. It's best to stick to the real deal.

Matt1800

10-28-02, 19:31

Hello,

I asked this question on the Brazil/Rio forum also but it goes for BA as well.

Is it possible to arrange for a "Girlfriend" for a long weekend?

I know you think I am crazy but...

I want one girl for a long weekend. Dinner, Dance, Sightsee, shop, plus the good stuff. She would have to be ready for anything. Any idea what this would cost??

Are there guides that can set this up for me?

Thanks in advance, from a rookie to the international scene

Havanaman

10-28-02, 19:37

Gentlemen,

Please refer to my post: WSG Forum > South America > Argentina > General Info page 2, dated 10-08-02 and also 10-09-02 regarding vitamin-V.

I'm not being flippant, but its important to get it right…

Regards,

Havanaman

Havanaman

10-28-02, 19:45

Saint,

Please email me, I have a message from Hobby Fan for you. He is currently in BA and emailed me with some information to be given to you.

Regards,

Havanaman

sedition2001@hotmail.com

EZE_go

10-28-02, 20:07

Oh! I remember now it was old_guy who posted abour Bilfort 50

EZE_go

10-28-02, 20:19

I read the gneral info and I heard of the same thing happening with the real viagra! It happened with a friend of mine. He and a chick took a half tab each and he said it was a scarey because he stayed hard for hours and was ready to go to the doctor and I heard of others having to actually go to the doctor.

Havanaman

10-28-02, 22:10

Gentlemen,

Lets take this thread to the BA General Information board…. I've had my wrists slapped here going off topic in the past….

More, "hard", information is posted there…

Regards, Havanaman

OttoGraham

10-29-02, 13:11

Originally posted by Matt1800
Hello,

I asked this question on the Brazil/Rio forum also but it goes for BA as well.

Is it possible to arrange for a "Girlfriend" for a long weekend?

I know you think I am crazy but...

I want one girl for a long weekend. Dinner, Dance, Sightsee, shop, plus the good stuff. She would have to be ready for anything. Any idea what this would cost??

Are there guides that can set this up for me?

Thanks in advance, from a rookie to the international scene

No, you're not crazy. This is a common thing. Why go through a middleman? Utilize www.escortsbaires.com and approach one or more of the girls by phone, email, etc... and arrange the details with them. A lot of the advertisers are available for longer appointments. In fact, some of them would probably welcome such an appointment, in contrast with the quick one-hour appointments they usually get.

-Otto

mohctep

10-31-02, 02:39

I have a BIG question. Did prices come down in BA so much that you can pick a girl for $50-100(170-350 peso) I have read some posts and got and impression that girls even at Black asking for 100 buck for all nighter. Is it true? Girls from internet agencyes ask for 200 pesos and up to 300 for all night??? That is very cheap for BA.

Can someone answer my questions regarding prices?
What are the prices there?
What are the asking price in Black?

Editor's Note:

Please don't view this from your perspective as an American with dollars. Since the devaluation, the prices in Argentina have NOT gone down. In Pesos, the prices are the same as they've been for several years. The pesos that the girls earn still buy them the same amount of groceries at the supermarket, still pay for the same rent and utilities, and still pay for the same taxi ride. The only difference is that your dollar, when converted, buys you more pesos.

Consider this: The value of currencies moves up and down against each other all the time, yet for those of us earning a living and paying our bills in the US, the value of those dollars against the Yen or the Euro is generally irrelevant. Does it have any effect on our mortgage payment or the price of groceries? No. In addition, if the Dollar was to fall in value to the Euro, would we start charging European tourists more dollars than Americans to stay in our hotels or to visit Disney World? No, and in fact we would consider it to be dishonest behavior.

The fact is that the Argentinean Peso has been grossly overvalued against the dollar for several years, having been artificially propped up by the Argentinean government using internationally borrowed funds. Now that the IMF and World Bank lending windows are closed, the peso has returned to its true value against the world's other currencies. If you feel the need to assuage your conscience, just think of it in these terms: Argentineans have been overcharging foreigners for years, and now things have finally returned to a state of equilibrium.

Jackson

JamesBond69

10-31-02, 02:49

Originally posted by mohctep
I have a BIG question.
Did prices come down in BA so much that you can pick a girl for $50-100(170-350peso)

Yes. This is the BIG question.

Does the devaluation mean that you are actually paying a half or even less in dollars than you would have pre-december 2001 for the same service?

Particularly interested in hearing from hobbyists who have been there pre and post the devaluation.

MoonDog

10-31-02, 12:24

Originally posted by jamesbond69
Yes. This is the BIG question.

Does the devaluation mean that you are actually paying a half or even less in dollars than you would have pre-december 2001 for the same service?

Particularly interested in hearing from hobbyists who have been there pre and post the devaluation.

Before the devaluation, short time was about 150-200 Pesos or Dollars, as they were the same. Now it is 150-300 pesos depending on the length of time or all night, and the cost in U.S. Dollars is 41-82 dollars. A good deal for both sides.

Editor's Note:

300 pesos would be an acceptable price for an all-night stay that included sex the next morning.

Anyone paying 300 pesos for a short-time session is:

A. Paying three times the going rate paid by locals.
B. Paying twice the standard rate paid by foreigners.
C. Immediately losing the chica's respect.
D. Embarassing himself.
E. Throwing his money away.
F. Unduly pissing off the local men.
G. Making things more difficult for his fellow traveler.

See above.

Jackson

Jackson

10-31-02, 13:47

Because the subject of prices and practices continues to appear in the forum, and because there is apparently a lot of mis-information on the subject, it appears that I'm going to need to continuously re-post these guidelines.

Prices in Buenos Aires
1. The standard rate paid by locals is 50 to 100 pesos.
2. The standard rate paid by foreigners is 150 pesos.
3. The top rate to be paid by anyone is 200 pesos.
4. Anyone paying more than 200 pesos is being taken.

Greetings everyone,

While I rarely have time to enter my own personal travel information after answering email and policing the forum every day, the recent postings herein regarding the prices being asked and paid by fellow travelers to Buenos Aires have compelled me to provide some guidelines on the subject.

I have been traveling to Argentina for several years now, including four trips this year and my current month-long stay. I am intimately familiar with the scene here, including all the clubs and venues mentioned and several others that seem to have escaped the attention of the other posters. I've have several friends here, as well as a number of personal relationships with my favorite girls in most of the clubs and bars. I've also had the opportunity to see first hand the effects of the country's recent economic problems on the attitudes of the people and the chicas.

There are just a few rules to follow when hobbying in Buenos Aires, and if you follow them your experiences will be greatly enhanced.

1. The current acceptable price for a session in your hotel with a chica from any of the night clubs and bars EXCEPT BLACKS (see below) is 150 pesos. This number has held firm for several years, although there is some recent upwards price pressure, and I have been asked for 170 to 180 pesos recently. However, 150 pesos is the price that the vast majority of chicas will accept if you are firm.

2. If you do not want to bargain, you can simply offer them 200 pesos, which should be the price that makes the vast majority of them immediately pleased without further discussion. In the past weeks I've paid 200 pesos to several girls, especially if I knew them and I knew that they would provide good service.

3. Any chica that quotes you anything over 200 pesos, including these 250 peso or even the 300 dollar prices described herein, has sized you up as an idiot American tourist and is in fact insulting you with that offer. On those rare occasions in recent weeks where I was quoted such a price, my reaction is smile quietly and tell the chica to shove off.

4. It's important to know the correct price and to negociate. I've said this before and I'll say it again: The idea behind negotiating is not to get the chica down to the lowest price, the idea is to pay a fair price. In addition, when understanding the Latina mind set, they will respect you if you are firm. Chalk it up to their culture's sense of macho. If you roll over at the first over-priced offer, they will have no respect for you, an attitude that will manifest itself in the quality of your session.

5. Lately, the girls have developed an annoying habit of asking to be paid in advance, many times waiting until they're half undressed and I've got my pants around my ankles. This is a recent development, and I talked with several friends of mine in the business about it. Apparently there has been a trend lately of Argentine men who are claiming poverty at the end of the session. Okay, that's unfortunate, but what's that got to do with me? I'm assuming that my fellow Americans who are visiting Argentina are behaving like gentlemen, and thus wouldn't even consided such reprehensable behavior. Besides, since as a foreigner I'm already paying twice as much as the Argentineans, I'm expecting to be treated with some measure of distinction.

Anyway, I strongly suggest that you always maintain a strict policy of paying when finished, if for no other reason than "sex is always better when I pay afterwards". A couple of times on my recent trip I was confronted with requests for payment in advance, upon which ensued a short discussion that, if failed to produce a resolution, led me to start putting my clothes back on while telling the chica to get dressed and that I would accompany her back to the club. This unprecedented series of events always left the chicas completely speechless, to be followed by an immediate change of heart.

6. If a chica agrees to a price and then starts to change her mind at any time in the process (such as during a cab ride), just tell the driver to turn around and take her back to the club, bar, café, etc.

7. If there is any doubt as to the clarity or domination of the price, and simply as a good policy, ask her to write it down on a piece of paper or napkin, and then specify "pesos" or "USD". Put the paper in your pocket in case there is a dispute later.

8. If a chica quotes you in dollars, insist on pesos, or get another chica.

9. If you are in Blacks, all the above rules are off, but then again, if you are in Blacks you are already making a mistake. Blacks is entirely over-rated, filled with barracudas looking for foreign tourists, and, in spite of the reviews of some posters herein, Blacks DOES NOT have a better selection than the other places in town. Over the years, I've probably gone in there a dozen times with the specific intent to pull a chica out of the place, and every time I've left alone.

10. With some exceptions, the more English a chica knows, the more likely she is try to play you for a tourist, which includes trying to get you to pay more than 200 pesos for a short time session, trying to get raise the price "in transit", trying to ask for more money for "additional services", insisting on a covered BJ, and demanding to be paid in advance, etc.

To be fair, this rule is not absolute, and I've certainly met some very nice chicas who spoke excellent English, but from my personal experiences, many of the ones with good English skills tend to realize that these skills give them a superior advantage in preying on unsuspecting tourists. Simply said, the ones with larceny in their hearts just can't help themselves.

11. Above all else, and assuming that you have the Spanish skills, always ask everything in advance. It's not very romantic, but I've learned from experience to tell them what I will pay, when I will pay it, and that I insist on a BBBJ. While you're still in the club or bar, you have all the control.

Jackson