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kyck_stand

12-03-02, 20:33

Just got back stateside, so I thought I’d take about an hour or so to add my parts to Saint’s post. I’d like to call this “The Good, the Bad, and the Curse of Saint.” Heh heh.

I arrived in BA on Wednesday morning with a co-worker who wanted to see where I was having all these great experiences in such a short time. We arrive around 11am with pre-arranged transportation awaiting us to the hotel, courtesy of a wonderful lady I’m sure you’ve heard of: Mayra Brill.

SIDENOTE: Now, I have to explain something before I continue. Things tend to normally go my way. Inconsistent and random things happen to me that usually make me look pretty cool in some form or another. BUT, there is a price I must pay. 24 hours of EVIL! For a full day, the best thing for me to do is stay in a room and not leave until the next day. Some of you may laugh now but wait until I finish my tale. You’ll see I speak the truth. I think that my good buddy, Saint, had a lot to due with the “evil” parts that happened on this trip. I like to call it “El Maldad Toque de Muerte” or the Evil Touch of Death!

After approx. a 20-minute ride, we arrive at our hotel and the adventure begins. There are no reservation for either me or my friend. Well, I take it easy at first. I call Mayri and leave a message. After about a 30-minute wait, they have rooms for us. I’m still a little concerned if Mayri had anything to do with the correction because she got us a really good rate. I decide to call her later and confirm. They lead me to my room.

Copacetic.

Turns out, I got upgraded to a killer suite. Hardwood floors, 2 TVs, AND the Cartoon Network in English? Life doesn’t get any better than this. I look across my vast, new domain and declare…”Oh, yeah. The King has returned.”

No time to waste. I got this place and I’m going to use it. I have a list of girls already made and I start at the top. My first two are not available. I check my backup and she is. A nice little lady from www.gemidos.com.ar. We agreed 200 pesos for 2 hours. She shows up a few minutes late but calls to let me know.

She’s a 22-year old Argentine girl with a “girl next door” face. Her stomach is a little rounder than I like but I can live with that. She arrives and after we get the pleasantries out of the way, we get down to it.

Very good start to the trip. Of course, there is the usual initial response when she sees the heat I’m packing but it doesn’t slow her down for long. VERY good kisser. Has some of the nicest lips I’ve seen in a long time. Nice natural rack with large nipples and Accomodating with a very pleasant attitude. Unknown territory explored. Small treasure found.

When she leaves, I take a nap for a couple hours to rest up for tonight. My friend’s first night in BA. Can’t let him waste it.

We walk to Recoleta (15-minutes) and have dinner. As agreed before we left the US, I show him around on the first day and after that, he’s on his own. My instincts tell me that he’s not down with the Game and I’m going to be playing everyday. No time to babysit. He’s cool with that.

Since I left my addresses for the clubs in my room (jet-lag is a ***** ESPECIALLY if the guys behind you snores and you have to sit in a chair that doesn’t recline for 8 hours), we walk to Playwoman. We check out Solid Gold on the way. I never see anything I like in there. This trip is no exception. We go to next door to Playwoman and I see some familiar faces. Eva, being one of them. Brunette with a normal female build. Nothing spectacular worth mentioning. Cute face.

I saw Eva on my last trip. Nothing to brag about in terms of service and a little money hungry. I would rather not see her but I’m trying to hook my friend up. She calls over her friend, Fanny. Busty blonde with a decent face. Both speak some English so communication is no problem. I check with my friend and he’s willing to go. I handle the negotiations for compensation for both. ORIGINALLY, I was going to get the both of them for 2 hours at 400 pesos total. Well, my friend didn’t want to hours. So, what we decided was that Fanny would go with him for an hour and then join me and Eva for the second hour.

Jet lag is a *****. It affects the mind in adverse ways.

They agree and we head off. When we arrive at the hotel, my friend admits that he finds Eva more attractive than Fanny. Since I’m doing this for him, we switch. Fanny is a nice looking lady. Not really my type, though. We go to my room to explain the switch. I also explain that I would like to pay them after. Eva does not like this. She keeps asking me what happened to me and how I was much nicer last time. That’s what you call “Experience”, baby. The first and LAST girl that didn’t perform as expected and got away with my money ruined it for you. I tell her if she doesn’t like it, she can leave. All this in a calm voice because I know talking calmly in an argument really pisses people off. Fanny seems to be cool with part of it. I don’t pay Eva but they go to Chris’s room. He pays her. Fanny and I agree that I pay half now and half later. Fair enough.

A mediocre session for me. She leaves me her cell number but I doubt that I repeat with her. No, I’m looking forward to tomorrow.

I picked another girl from www.gemidos.com.ar. I have this thing for nice asses. I mean “pronounced” asses. Nice rounded, South American asses. And this girl had one of the best. I was taking a chance because she doesn’t show her face. But, the ass……OOOH, THE ASS!!!
She arrives at about 12:30pm. I look through the peephole and she’s a CUTIE!

Copacetic. An ass like that with a killer body and a cute face. I’m going to wear SOMEBODY out.

She speaks a little English. Together with my little Spanish, we communicate. She’s very energetic. Once we strip down, she jumps on me. She thinks I’m timid. Apparently, she hasn’t gotten to my underwear yet.

“Wow.” I love that reaction.;-)

A VERY good session. She started off a little reserved but loosened up a lot later. Of course, I MUST do her from behind. Seeing how fast I can make that ass bounce. Her service is just like condoms, probably not the same for everyone. HA!!

I like her. She agrees to see me again on Saturday but tells me to call first. Cool. Unknown Territory explored. Gem found.

Somewhere during all of this, Saint and UWPhoto contact me. I’m glad to hear from them both. My buddies are back and it’s time to par-tay. Little did I realize that the Saint was the harbringer of….

“El Maldad Toque de Muerte!!!!!!”

I contact Saint and we agree to meet up for dinner and hit some clubs. I’m having trouble reaching UWPhoto because I’m stupid. For those that don’t know, a number prefixed with “15” is a mobile number. It should be dialed with the “15”. I learn my lesson and correct it later.

More to come later....

Kick Stand

JamesBond69

12-03-02, 20:57

ATTENTION: All AMA (Argentine Monger Association) Members:

A bit late notice but TONIGHT, Tuesday, Dec 3rd a hobby posse will be leaving from the lobby of Hotel Etoile in Recoleta at around 10pm to explore the "off the beaten track" boliches such as Nuevo Estilo Boliche and others.

With luck our guide will be the Argentine Monger extradinaire Jose, with a special appearance by world class monger Sr. John Guapo ( English Translation Mr. John the Handsome) and the Monger King himself ---- JACKSON!

All BA Mongers Welcome

DownBA

12-03-02, 21:12

Andres, since you seem to know Belgrano pretty well, I stayed in Belgrano on la Pampa two years in a row and three years in a row I shopped at a nice local jewelry store on Juramento between Libertador and the train tracks called Topazio; just a few weeks ago when I was there I looked for it again and it was gone....do you have any idea whether it moved or went out of business? By the way, I ate at one of the Chinese "tenedor libre" places last year and was amazed at not only the Chinese food selection but that they also had a tenedor libre parillada! VERY IMPRESSIVE place for no money at all if any of you mongers want to take a cab ride for dinner and then hop down to Estilo Nuevo Boliche on la Pampa in Belgrano. Happy mongering guys. DownBA

Andres

12-03-02, 23:44

DownBA:

The Chinese places that I mentioned are gourmet restaurants, no free buffets.

The free buffets such as Grants, Toronto and the like, although tasty and cheap, have been fined and closed several times by the BA city sanitary autorities due to violations to the sanitary code. I still eat there but now I just pick hot meals (no vegetables and the like).

Respect to the jewelry store, I'm afraid that it may have gone out of business. If you are looking in something particular, you can go to Libertad St between Peron St and Corrientes Av (very close to the Obelisco). Not a nice place to shop around but the best selection of watches, laces and the like. Also, Patio Bullrich mall (Libertador Av and Montevideo St) should have many jewelry stores that cater to the upper class (although expensive).

Hope this helps,

Andres

chamfort

12-04-02, 02:12

I'll be in BA for a month early in the new yearon my first visit. I will be working on my tango and doing a little research on unrelated matters but plan to spend most of my time and energy on the hobby. I was thinking of the Hotel Lancaster and hope to get a decent rate for such a long stay. Once and for all does anyone know for certain if the Lancaster is chica-friendly? My rendezvous would be only at mid- day and early evening.---no overnight guests. Thanks for any info.

JohnGuapo

12-04-02, 07:30

Another great night in BA.

James bond, Dboy, Maddur, D. and few others plus the king of all mongers Jackson all go to the Nuevo Estilo boliche for some fun.

I love this place. $5 pesos drinks for the guys and $10 pesos for the girls without any pressure to buy drinks or get with the girls at all. Completely local hangout with us being the only non-locals there.

I was first out of the block after I hooked up with one of the Lesbian show stars, Antonela who has a smoking body and is really cute. We go upstairs for a 30 minute $75 peso session that is standard there (some do charge $100 pesos). Great session, she is totally into it and is really sexy and does everything right. I return and we all have some drinks and everybody but me and Dboy leave.

Dboy hooks up with this 18 year old hotty with a very pretty face and smoking body and a great ass. Dboy goes upstairs and I take in another lesby show and get a little worked up because my chica was with three girls on stage. I popped a viagra and waited for dboy to return from his session and for Antonela to get dressed from the show.

I start taliking with her how much I want her and how beautiful she is and she says that I can take her home. She says that I have to pay $100 pesos to the owner for her to leave plus $100 for her. She talked the owner down to $50 because she gave $50 pesos back because it was late.

We take a cab and she is all over me. Making out in the back of a cab and I started feeling like I was in a bad taxi cab confessions show. We get to my apartment, which she loves and we go at it - this time with my friend vitamin V. It was a killer session, she posed for me and relived the lesby show with me, played with a toy she had and made me feel like a pornstar - positions that I did not know existed because she in such incredible shape plus BBJ.

After I finish, we lay together and talk and she gives me her information and says to call her tomorrow so she can come by. When she leaves I pay her the $100 pesos and offer her a tip of $50 for the 2 plus hours of fun she provided. She refused the tip and said that it was not fair and she wanted to stay the extra time with me. Was tha true... probably not, but at least it was cool for her to say. Anyway, I will defeinately go back to the Nuevo estilo and will call anotonela for another rockin session.

The only thing I want to know is how my friends and monger legends jackson and Mr. 007, James Bond did at their final destinations.

That said, another great night in BA.

Subaculture

12-04-02, 18:00

Hi guys,
Is the rubro 59 section on www.gemidos.com.ar. related to the section in Clarin? Is it a reliable service and could some one tell me the translation for "masajistas"?

Regards,
suba

Maddur

12-04-02, 19:02

Thanks Johnguapo for hooking me up with AMA. Met a bunch of guys - cool and laidback. After Estello Neuvo .. (you got to see the lesbian show to beleive it!) I left with JamesBond and we hit Madahos. I saw at least 3 cuties I would have picked immediately but wanted to check out Hook and Cattos.

We arrive at Hook and a liitle later find Jackson and the rest of the gang. After an hour everyone had a chica. After seeing my chica upclose I decided to pass! I checked out Cattos and headed back to Madahos. Picked a young cutie - Natalie (with a fake nosering) - 150 p for 2 hours. She left around 6 AM.
Did anyone get lucky with Julia - the Ukranian waitress with a lip ring - at Solid Gold ?

All in all, BA blows my mind (among other things :-). So here goes the plan. With my puny salary (don´t cry for me, Argentina!), I cannot make a monthly trip here. But I can be frugal and live on bread and water. Every 4 months or so, I realize that a man cannot live on bread and water alone! - so I head off to BA for some fine wine and ´meat´!

Thanks to DownBA for introducing Estello N...

JamesBond69

12-04-02, 22:00

Originally posted by johnguapo

The only thing I want to know is how my friends and monger legends jackson and Mr. 007, James Bond did at their final destinations.
A.

Brief Report on Nuevo Estilo Biloche, Madahos & the Secret of Hooks...

Quite a bit has been written about DownBA's little discovery, Nuevo Estilo Biloche and I will add some more comments in a future post but for now let's say that this may be my favorite place in BA for mongering....although it's not for everyone, its kind of a specialty place. Jackson for example prefers clubs where the action is centered in taking the girl back to your hotel/place but for me this kind of bar/brothel is OK from time to time.

Last night two taxi's full of mongers pulled up to the nondescript biloche fascade in Palermo, about a fifteen minute ride from Recoleta. On Tuesday it's ten pesos to enter, including a drink ticket and the place is customer friendly - no girls hustling for drinks which are inexpensive any way and no waiters thinking of ways to separate your money from you wallet, like you get at Solid Gold or Blacks, real tourist traps. They make their money from the 50/50 split with the girls who go upstairs, not so much from the drinks like all the other clubs.

The crowd is strictly local but upscale, like the kind of guys I might hang out with at my local New York neighborhood bar. The owner expressed his bewilderment at the number of Americans that seem to be showing up recently. I could have told him to thank the man in the Black shirt at the bar, Sr. Jackson for his good fortune but didn't:-)

There are about twenty chicas there, with about three I would pull out in a New York minute. The show in general and the legendary GRAPHIC lesbian act have been written about in details and it's awesome. Upstairs in the A frame structure are bedrooms with bathrooms/showers that look like rooms in a Vermont ski hostal, so clean you can eat from the floor.

I had my eye on a friendly tall blond but I found out that she only dances and according to the manager has gone upstairs only once in three months....another chica , a tall brunette was taken and Johnguapo was working on one of his cute little Clairn type girls, so I left without going upstairs but I must say this place is really fun to hang out...I probably could have stayed longer...but wanted to explore some more.

Maddur and I left to Madahos but having been in BA for more than two weeks I'm very selective and the superstar I wanted was not there, so off to Hooks, my favorite downtown monger venue, to join Jackson and the gang.

D took my favorite Brazilian and I didn't feel like leaving with any of the three Paraguanian sisters, so settled on Flavia, a short but busty and quite cool Brazilian. Back at the hotel we had a great time....even though I love Argentine women I must admit that Brazilian women may enjoy sex more, if that is possible. They are such open people and playfull.

After a nice round we kicked back on the couch with a few beers and talked for awhile. She told me about her plans to work in Spain, as the money was no longer great in BA. Flavia is not an obvious stunner: she works six nights a week but usually leaves with a guy three times a week, for an average of 150 pesos a guy, so she only makes about 500 pesos a week or a bit over $150US, which is about the monthly salary of a waitress. Not good but no bad and she enjoys the work. During the day she sleeps, then takes a philosophy class (I'm not kidding, this is what she told me) at 6m before going to work. She's quite a character.

It's about 5am and she suggests that we drop by a pool hall about a block from Hooks, where most of the girls and the staff go after work and shoot a few games before going to bed. I was a bit hesitant, fearing it may be some dive but hell...I kind of trust this chica and decide to take the risk.

I don't know the address of this pool hall but the place was really not a dive - street level, well lite and with a great jukebox. I had a good time playing pool and hanging out with the girls from hooks, who are fairly cool and great players. It was interesting to see another side to the clubs scene. I suppose a monger could drop by the pool hall at 5am and leave with a girl but probably not, as the work day is over for these girls and they just few like relaxing and enjoying themselves after a hard days night. The hook girls are all fairly young and not very pro and I felt like I was in a sorority house, only with hookers:-)

What can I say....the same as everyone else I guess....another great night in BA...it just doesn't get much better than this..

PS
the Ukrainian Waitress at Solid Gold is off limits. The same for the even better
Ukranian Waitress at Shampoo.

DownBA

12-04-02, 22:22

JamesBond, Maddur and others who have commented on how much you all like Estilo Nuevo Boliche, to these rave reviews I have to say BUENISIMO!!! I'm thrilled to know that you guys have been getting as much of a kick out of it as I do! I agree with Bond's comment that it's a really cool, laid-back, local hang-out type place without chicas hustling you unless you beckon them and the very reasonable drink prices, the lesbian show, the bachelors getting stipped on stage by hotties and the Swiss Chalet rooms upstairs! ESTUPENDO!!! I've had some incredibly memorable times there that began with an incredible bbbj in the shower and this 21 year old cutie telling me "sos tan lindo!"

Now the other point I want to drive home now that you know this place is so much fun, is that a 2 minute walk up la Pampa from Estilo Nuevo towards Libertador is this perfectly acceptable aparthotel place that I've stayed in two years in a row called Hotel Golf Tower. My suggestion for a different type of BA stay would be to stay there and cab it to la Recoleta or downtown since the cab ride's going to cost you all of $10P or U$2.50. Also, staying there gives you a great excuse to walk to the nearest Subte station on Cabildo and take a really cool subway ride anywhere in BA. The Subte is so clean compared to the NYC Subway system, they even have un-guarded tv's in the stations that never get smashed! (compare that to NYC Bond, 5 seconds flat un-guarded tv's would be history) The rooms aren't as big as the ones in the Etoile but the place is quiet enough to hear a pin drop at night (compaired to the Etoile on Friday, Saturday and Sunday where the music from the disco next door has been known to wake up Evita next door in the cemetery), they serve a complimentary breakfast and the receptionists are usually cuties and hotties. I did this kind of stay and believe me I had every bit as good a time as I did this year staying in la Recoleta although I can't deny that the number of clubs and proximitly of clubs within a 6 block area in la Recoleta is truly astounding and convenient. But then again, Estilo Nuevo being a two minute walk down la Pampa isn't too shabby either.

Thanks for making me proud guys and carrying on in the great BA Monger Association tradition, which I'm proud to be a member of. Hope to hook up with some of you guys my next trip to BA (which can't be a second too soon).

Jackson, sorry about the use of the Spanish words, just can't help myself sometimes, the Spanish I've acquired is something like a cross between a hobby and a passion and boy does it come in handy down in BA...sorry because I remember you once wagged your finger at me about this but sometimes I like to use it for effect. Later, DownBA

lotsafun

12-04-02, 23:47

Well, back in Albany (must be Albania for the scene here) after a little stay in BA. Its been a couple of weeks, but better late than never.

I went solo during the trip and didn't meet up with anybody from the crew in BA. Also stayed at Etoile but didn't bring any girls back.

I tried several e-a girls as well as a couple of Platynum girls, all at their apartments. Several e-a girls did not answer their phones.

Best of the trip was:

Gema, from many sites, is a petite and pretty Paraguayan girl, 100 pesos the hour. CBJ all the way, but she's a great and enthusiastic DFK and was very amenable to a variety of positions. Gema's been in BA for seven years. Her bod is quite well toned, really great shape, not an ounce of extra fat that I could see. She advertises 95cm (38") breasts but they couldn't have been more than 34C- amazing what photography can do. She's insatiable when it comes to DATY. Second date was better than the first as she went for a double in a 1 hour, twenty minute session. Sweet girl that loves to kiss and an enthusiastic companion. Her small apartment was on the 1100 block of Avenida Sante Fe, a short ride from the Etoile. Highly recommended.

Daniella, is same as in her pictures on e-a and other sites. A voluptuous woman and can certainly satisfy those of you with breast(natural) fetishes. If you need slim and trim, this girls not for you. 100 pesos with BBJTC (I think she would of quit if she knew I was about to spit). Didn't bother with FS just went for a second BJ to finish a second time. A bit more than an hour. Light on the DFK. Also 1100 block Santa Fe, bldg next to the one Gema's in.

Sandy, on e-a turned out not to be the one in the picture. The attractive woman answering the door was a Peruana about 22 yo, she said. She was working out of a suitcase in the apartment, so I guess the real Sandy was off-duty. Required 150p, asked for it up front and asked for a propinha at the end. Started light and got to entusiastic DFK part way through the session, cbj, and liked a finger/thumb up her colita while in FS mode.

Her small apartment was one floor higher than Gema's. She's a busy girl. She said she'd seen me at my hotel before our session and had an appointment at the Sheraton a half hour after our session.

Session comparable to Gema's first session. Extra cost though, left me not wanting to go back. Based on what I've read about the real Sandy I'm sorry that she was off-duty.

Elena on Platynum - took one for the team. A bait and switch. At this woman's apartment building entrance, she had to come down and open the door. As someone was leaving as I got there I went to the elevator after ringing the apartment. The lady came down and was in the elevator as it got to the first floor. Not as good looking a face as Elena and wearing a business type outfit that didn't show much detail in the figure. A cups and some extra on the hips, which doesn't appeal to me. But I said to myself, what the hay. Turned out the apartment she took me to was not the one I rang. Interesting security scheme. CBJ, LFK, didn't bother with DATY. $100p, started with cbj and went to FS with her on top. to "punish her as she wan't Elena" I had her stay on top and made her do all the work. At one point she tried to get off and make me get on top, but I insisted she stay on top. "You boss, ok". She rode like a trooper and got the job done. I wouldn't go back though as her body/looks weren't worth a repeat from me.

Lizza, a masajista on Platynum. At first it looked like a bait and switch as another woman was at the door. When I asked for Lizza, she said that she would be right in. And Lizza as in her pictures it was. Another voluptuous woman, she started with some LFK right as I walked in. $100p the hour, and a brief massage at first. During the massage she popped out one of her big jugs and and fed it to me. Started with cbj, when I asked for bbj she said and extra 50. I said ok and down she went. We moved to the bed where she went to hot DFK, and DATY as well as BBJ. Went to FS for a pop, a very cooperative woman, she was. After which she said that if I wanted another it would be another $100p, which I agreed to, while forgetting the extra charge for bbj. So 200p for a coupla shots on goal.

She wore some kind of girdle throughout the session, I guess to hold in her "extra curves in the waist". If you don't mind voluptuous and enjoy really big boobs she'll do you fine.

One thing I found annoying was that she got up and went to the door every 10-15 minutes or so. don't understand why and with my almost non-existent Spanish was unable to find out why. I only got hte one word answer, policia. For that reason I wouldn't bother going back. Who likes coitus interruptus? Perhaps if I'd insisted she would have stopped. Apartment was down at the heels.

I found that most women would keep their phones on during the session. After the first call I politely, but firmly, asked them to turn off the phones and they all complied, politely.

Berla (Pearl?) at Nuevo Estilo Boliche has a look similar to Brittney Spears, quite pretty and a nice set of curves on her chest, no kids either. Took her over to the "hotel" next door for a one hour session, CBJ, some DFK, but not as intense as Gema or the fake Sandy. After the first shot on goal she went to sleep, I guess I wore her out, not! At 200 Pesos for 1/2 hour of intense encounter and a one hour nap I wouldn't go for another ride with her. Not good value for money.
Nuevo Estilo is at 687 La Palma, less than a block from the intersection with Figuera Alcorte. Quickly got a cab at Isla restaurant, around the corner from Nuevo Estilo on Figuero Alcorte.

All around, a pretty good time at a very modest cost.

Loved BA and am looking forward to a great time en el futuro.

Steaks varied from about 14pesos to 32 pesos. All under 20p are grilled plain and weren't such great cuts. The Lomo with champignons for 32 pesos at Lola's was a nice one, as was the 22 peso peppercorn steak at Cafe La Paix, both on the same street as Etoile a half block away in opposite directions.

I checked out Newport one night and the women looked like they were all high mileage. Didn't bother going in there again. Also checked out Mahados once. I was approached by several not at all attractive women there, and got rid of them by saying I was just looking. There were a few quite doable women there even though it was a Sunday night and hardly any guys.

I didn't check out Shampoo, but if you take a right out of the hotel and a right on Avenida Quintana, it's about a block and a half away. There's a Hooters in Recoleta Village, a small urban mall about 100-200 yards from the Etoile. Nothing to hoot about. Harry J Beans (on the way to Recoleta Village) has a good and young amateur post-office crowd starting on Thursday evening going strong into the early hours of the morning.

PS, Mayra was quite helpful with hotel and driver reservations.

later, dudes!

DownBA

12-05-02, 00:28

Lotsafun, I don't know why you say the Peruana answering Sandy's door wasn't Sandy....the real Sandy IS a Peruana and IS about 22 and does live in the same building as Gemma and does have a suitcase on the floor of her one room apartment. I know because I was there plenty of times a few weeks ago and know beyond a doubt that the real Sandy did have a bunch of her clothes in a suitcase. I'm not sure what gave you the idea the chica wasn't Sandy but if it's because the chica looked darker skinned in person than she does in the e-a pics, well, she does. The pics make her look a lot lighter than she really is, but it sounds like you met the real Sandy, though I couldn't obviously say for sure since I wasn't there. But it sounds like you had a good session with Sandy. As for my time with Sandy, this is a case where ymmv since I had an OUTSTANDING time with the girl and we spent several days making each other happy.

One more thing for the board and I know this is going to sound like a stupid question, but what does the acronym DATY stand for please? DownBA

Chief

12-05-02, 01:40

DATY Dining at the Y (Performing oral sex on a woman)
Chief

Saint

12-05-02, 02:31

Sandy is wonderful. I'm sorry I missed her this trip. She did call me twice but I was with girls both times. I'll most likely see her in two weeks when I go back. Can't get BA off my mind.

I was with Starfe tonight having our usual bi-weekly dinner. It was funny because one of my amigas calls me on my cellphone. I think Starfe got a good kick out of it and even talked to her for a little bit. It was funny!

I'm very excited. I'm happy to report that I'm in the process of closing on my 2nd apartment. This one is also in a GREAT location just around the corner from my other place. I'll be renting it out to select friends and gentlemen. The building is phenomenal with a marble and mohogany entrance. The building has a 24/7 doorman with secured access, pool on the roof, barbaque pit on the roof, good sized gym with SAUNA. Simply amazing.

This place is NOT cheap. They are asking for a good little sum but I'm fairly sure they will accept my offer. I can't wait to go back down...

Saint

FatBastard

12-05-02, 02:45

HI,anyone know of any fare specials to Argentina?Priceline and orbitz seem to have gone up about 300 dollars.American has a frequent flyer special starting in March for 40,000 miles.

DownBA

12-05-02, 04:06

Fatbastard, try www.despegar.com...if you don't speak Spanish look for the button for the English site. When you enter the site on the lower right hand side of the first screen there are always daily specials. Just before posting they had Miami to BA for $300.00 r/t. NY to BA was listed at $600 something, a little high as I just paid $500 including all taxes two weeks ago. The point is, if you go on the site eveyday for a week you'll undoubtedly see a promotional fare to BA from one of the major cities, jump on it. I've always had good luck with despegar and it's an Argentinian company so that's got to be a good omen...in fact, I think the BA Mongers Association should adopt Despegar.com as their official On-line Mongering travel agency, that is when their not booking their tickets with Mayra of Argentinago.com. That woman is truly wonderful and you can work really nicely with Mayra, she speaks and writes English beautifully and is very professional in her approach. Speaking of Mayra, Saint, since you've met her, curiosity's killing me: is Mayra a looker or what?

Saint, go easy on Sandy when you see her, don't wear her out before my next visit to BA as I plan on seeing her a lot. Damn, I've already violated Ricardo from platynum's 3 salida rule with Sandy, but oh well, ymmv and I'm a sucker for high mileage I guess.

JamesBond, would you email me at lllllnnnnn@aol.com please so I can email you back with a question I don't want to post? I appreciate it.

I'm green with envy at all you lucky bastards having a great time in my adopted city. Save some chicas for me please. DownBA

Saint

12-05-02, 04:25

DownBA...ha, ha. Don't worry. That girl has tons of energy. I'm on my 3 X rule with her too but I guess one session doesn't count because I was doing a double with her and Gema..

Yes, I've been fortunate to have met Maryi several times. She is a good friend now. Mayri is a beautiful person. Not just on the outside but in the inside too. She is educated and intelligent, comes from a great family, funny, non-judemental, hard-working and helpful. It really doesn't matter what she looks like. She provides a VERY great service to a lot of you guys that don't realize that she doesn't make much money or at all from all the hard work she does. I think I was one of the very first guys that used her services and started referring her out. None have been disappointed. She always goes the extra mile to make things right.

I noticed all the nice comments left by various guys about her. That should speak volumes. In that type of industry, you only hear when people have problems. Those are the vocal ones. The ones that got good service most often don't say anything.

ezy

12-05-02, 07:15

jamesbond69....re: the Ukranian at Solid Gold...sometimes not so off limits.....but she chooses you once she knows you well....be prepared to pay 600pesos for the "privilige."

JustGotBack

12-05-02, 08:12

Try checking the UAL website. Be sure to hunt around the days. When I booked the flight for my trip a couple of weeks ago, I got a flight for $310 before taxes. $380 after taxes. It was wierd. Leaving or coming back a day earlier or later raised the price about $200. I booked the flight 4 days before I left. I normally pay more than twice that.

Originally posted by FATBASTARD
HI,anyone know of any fare specials to Argentina?Priceline and orbitz seem to have gone up about 300 dollars.American has a frequent flyer special starting in March for 40,000 miles.

JamesBond69

12-05-02, 08:47

Originally posted by ezy
jamesbond69....re: the Ukranian at Solid Gold...sometimes not so off limits.....but she chooses you once she knows you well....be prepared to pay 600pesos for the "privilige."

Actually i don't think any girl in the clubs are really off-limits, even those who are married or have boyfriends. They all must have a price, particularly the waitresses and dancers who see how much the working girls are getting compared to them.

The dancers get 30-60 pesos a night and the waitress around 500 pesos a month, including tips, with the Black waitresses probably getting more.

I've been told that at the end of the evening at Madahos the waiters can set you up with any of the dancers for 400 pesos.

As for the Ukranian waitress in Solid Gold I don't think she is worth 400 pesos. 200 is more like it.

The Ukranian waitress in Shampoo is something else. She's beautiful, extremely intelligent, speaks five languages (flawless English) and is studying in the university. She's about the most efficient and personable person I've met in BA, a city of very people friend people.

I think she might be out of reach with money unlike say the most high price hooker in history, Jacqueline Kennedy. Prove me wrong but i think she's truly the few (only?)untouchable in the clubs. For the moment I'm cultivating her as a friend, without much success since she regards the mongers are beneath her, which they might be:-)

lotsafun

12-05-02, 09:49

Originally posted by DownBA
Lotsafun, I don't know why you say the Peruana answering Sandy's door wasn't Sandy....the real Sandy IS a Peruana and IS about 22

She just didn't look like Sandy as in the pictures I had remembered her from. I went back to her photos on escorts-argentina. Looking at the B&W photo, which is a closeup, she is the same. I stand corrected.

While I enjoyed the session, her 150 pesos vs Gema's 100 pesos for similar quality service leads me to believe that Gema's better value for money. Any insights there? Thanks for pointing out my mistake.

lotsafun (and I had a lot of it in BA.)

DownBA

12-05-02, 12:42

Lotsafun, you're right, Sandy has a completely different (and much better) look in person than her website shots, although there's absolutely nothing wrong with the image I see on the web either; but beyond a doubt, the moment I saw the chica for the first time I was hit with the fact that she's got that gorgeous, slightly darker olive color skin that you can't perceive from the web site shots. I spent a few minutes explaining to her that she was gorgeous in person but that the pics don't capture her beauty, if you guys know what I mean.

Sorry Lotsafun, can't comment about Gema since I haven't had the pleasure but from what you and other boardmembers have been saying I'm a fool for not having a go at her! I know that Gema and Sandy do threesomes together and I've heard they're GREAT. I hinted to Sandy about a threesome with her and Gema a few weeks ago and her reply was something to the effect that she wanted me all to herself!! Another example of the perfect GFE I had with this chica.

Maybe my mo is different than most but I usually don't go for quantiy, only quality, kind of like Bandy's mo. I think I prefer to stroll around town with the chica, holding hands, eating in restaurants, stopping by discos to dance, going to the movies and getting to know the chica, that type of thing - sort of like the true definition of "escort" versus the sheer quantity thing some of you guys are into but hey, VIVA LA DIFERENCIA!!!

Not that I'm not into variety at all, in fact, a few weeks ago though I spent most of my time with Sandy, I still managed to squeeze in 3 other girls, two of them were in a threesome (aweful experience actually, too much booze and too little sleep on my part at the time to take on two girls, just bad timing and no Vitamin V to help me that night!) and another one was an awesome Brazilian chica. Even with the Brazilian chica, I took her out to drinks at one of the covered backyard restaurants near the Etoile, we listened to some nice music while having a few drinks and we got to know each other really well before we went back to the Etoile for the real fun.

Saint, boy are you right about Sandy having a lot of energy, she reminds me a little bit of the Eveready Bunny!!! Great fun to be with too. Saint, when are you going to hop on the DownBA wagon and take a cab to Belgrano and check out Estilo Nuevo? DownBA

Saint

12-05-02, 13:56

Gema is great too. I found Sandy to be more GFE but they were both great. I did a double with them as many of you already know. Sandy's memory is amazing. She knows my voice when I call...even after several months. I know since I last posted on her from my last trip she got very busy from dudes seeing her. Good for her. She is definitely a worker and also works at Cutty Sark by the name of Cassandra. But she told me her goal was to only work off the internet.

If Gema and Sandy like you then you'll have blow out sessions. Like DownBA I prefer quality BUT I also like quantity. I could be married to the hottest supermodel in the world and I'd still have a desire for other beautiful women. Does that make me a dawg or just a male? Ha, ha.

DownBA, I was gonna go down to that place last trip but my buddy told me it sucked. He said a lot of 6's and a few 7's. He knows my tastes well. We all have different tastes. I thought it was funny that in previous posts Jamesbond69 was saying he thought most of the girls I saw were 7's at best. I saw many of the girls he saw on his digital camera and I thought they were 5's 6's or 7's at best for the most part..... Nothing wrong with that. We can agree to disagree and that's what makes BA so great. Something for everyone.

I'll hit Estilo Nuevo along with a slew of other places I haven't hit while I'm down there in a few weeks. My dream of living down there part of the year is becoming nearer and nearer. My goal is to move down there full-time within a year or two.

Life is good.

JamesBond69

12-05-02, 14:38

Originally posted by saint
I thought it was funny that in previous posts Jamesbond69 was saying he thought most of the girls I saw were 7's at best. I saw many of the girls he saw on his digital camera and I thought they were 5's 6's or 7's at best for the most part..... Nothing wrong with that. We can agree to disagree and that's what makes BA so great. Something for everyone.

I respectfully agree to disagree with the esteemed Monger Sr. Saint.

It's true that the photos that I showed you from my first week were 5 & 6 with a few 7 & 8 but that was from the FIRST WEEK, when I didn't know the total landscape and make some quick and sometimes unwise decisions.

BUT now they are ALL without a doubt solid 10 superstars, as I focus only the TOP earners at the major clubs. The few girls I am leaving with earn 90% of the income for the club in drinks sold and are offered cash and jewelry to work at other clubs in BA and other cities, even including the United States. They are like the top players in the MBA.

As for Estilo Nuevo on my first visits the chicas were of a lesser quality than my last visit, when I met some definite 8 & 9th.

Read upcoming post for details about my superstar experiences:
"NIGHT OF THE TEN'S"
aka "MY ONE NIGHT AS HUGH HEFNER"

DownBA

12-05-02, 14:50

Saint, just so I can understand your scale a bit, what do you give Sandy? DownBA

DownBA

12-05-02, 15:01

PS Saint, you'll have to check out Estilo Nuevo and judge for yourself. I can only tell you that on the plane back to the states I sat next to a native Argentinian and not only did he surprise me by telling me Estilo Nuevo was open at abut 4 PM but he said that the girl that met him at the door was a STUNNER!! Guapo seems to think there are a few stunners there too, I'd be curious to hear what you think of the place.

I got a real chuckle out of Bond's comment that the owner seems a little "bewildered" by the deluge of Americans into his place lately hahahaha...didn't he ever hear the line from Field Of Dreams, "if you build it they will come"? He's getting a good taste of the power of the internet!

We're getting snowed in a bit in the Greater NY area today and it just makes me long to be back in my adopted BA that much more telling girls "Si, si, mi amor, asi mi amor, no pares mi amor" and hearing them tell me back "me ENCANTA cuando chupas mi concha" (I love it when you suck my pussy) and "me encanta como me coges amor" (I love how you fuck me amor)...I may be sick in the head with passion for BA but I just love that place beyond description. DownBA

Leo

12-05-02, 15:55

[QUOTE]Originally posted by FATBASTARD

... American has a frequent flyer special starting in March for 40,000 miles.

***

and when you use miles on american, they allow a stopover and/or circle at no extra fee/miles. that means you could do two trips in one.

last fall i used 40k miles to go to recife (miami thru rio, using partner tam) and then b.a. (back thru sao paulo). they also would have allowed a layover time in either rio or sp.

united doesn't discount to 40k (tho their regular is 50k vs. aa's 60k), nor do they allow a circle.

Leo

12-05-02, 16:08

Originally posted by DownBA
I got a real chuckle out of Bond's comment that the owner seems a little "bewildered" by the deluge of Americans into his place lately hahahaha...

i can't remember if it was the owner, a bartender, or the door/ticket person, but we talked about how they are getting more gingos, and that person knew it was due to an internet site. they said they had read it once, but in our discussion they didn't know the url (wsg), and i didn't tell them either...

but they mentioned that a pilot had once told him or her of it...

so, obviously, someone there is more on to what's up than others here may realize :)

Saint

12-05-02, 17:20

DownBa..I'd give Sandy an 8 one day and an 8.5 another day. (One day she looked better). I really tend to shy away from using a # system because we all have different tastes.

American has good deals with advantage miles. I just booked a ticket this morning for May using 40,000 miles. The ticket on AA.com is going for $1,000 US. I'm paying $32 for the taxes and that's it. If any of you are planning your trips. I'll be down there May 15 - May 26 (26th of May is a holiday).

Also, we should try to get some system going of selling miles to one another. Some of us that travel a ton have a crap load of miles. I'd rather sell/buy them from some of you then on Ebay. Look on Ebay..you can buy and sell all kind of AA miles. The 40,000 mile awards for first class tickets or international trips I can usually get $700 US. Also, as Leo mentioned, there are alot of crafty things you can do to visit more than one city with layovers. Something to think about.....

DownBA

12-05-02, 18:23

Ok Saint, now I know beyond a doubt that you're one picky m/f if you only give Sandy an 8 and an 8.5, hahahaha. But you're 100 percent right and I can't agree with you more that we should do away with the # system since the old addage "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" is just as true today as it was hundreds of years ago when someone first uttered it. Is Saint or any other board member going to try to tell me that my dick wasn't feeling pleasure totally off any 1-10 scale you could talk about last time I was with so and so in BA? I don't think so and the pleasure principle is really all that matters here, isn't it? (please feel free to all chime in here with your agreement or dissent fellas)

Bond, I'm sure in your rating system your chicas were 10's pure and simple and that's about all that really matters. Rating chicas with this # system reminds me a little bit of Olympic Iceskating judges with their stupid # ratings, that systems stinks too and often results in the better skater losing the gold, but hey, I think you all get my point.

I think we should plan more of these BA Monger Association dinners and not just restrict them to Thanksgiving time, even though I wasn't able to make the Thanksgiving one since I'd already left. But I'm looking forward to making one of the next ones. DownBA

Hi Down BA,

Personally, I use a simpler system: Yes, I'd consider fucking them, or No, I wouldn't. I'm not too tough, but I kick out the perversely tall or short, the overweight, the bodies like tree trunks, and unusually ugly as all being unfuckable, at least by me. The rest are in, although I'm still going to use my radar to hone in on the chica de jour.

I'm considering a New Year's Eve Dinner Party, but I'm just not sure if there would be a sufficient number of chicas in town. I'm conducting oral interviews all this week and will get back to everyone soon. So far I have three affirmative head nods.

Jackson

Member #1698

12-05-02, 19:46

Re: Lotsafun and "taking one for the team"...ie. "Elena" scam

LF since it was me who appealed to any AMA'ers down BA way to take "Elena" from Platynum for a spin and then post a post-coital NR, I'd like to thank you for your team spirit.

Since you and I live about three hours drive or so apart (I'm on the Que./NY border southwest of Mtl.), I'd be glad to buy you some rounds if you get up my way (check Canbest.com for F 'n S type strip bars under Montreal and surrounding area). Post your e-mail if you want a one-to-one correspondence.

On another topi re: AR, I'm planning to hit BA and then go to wine country and travel down to Patagonia and over the border to Chile.

I have thought about advertising for an adventurous bi University babe who would travel and also be a 24/7 interpreter companion as well as hustle hotties for ST/LT trio action.

This has worked well for me in Brazil where I have advertised in SP papers and hooked up with major league upper-middle class good/bad girls for $1200-$1500 Reals per wk plus travel/food, etc.

The last time I did this, I ended up with 30+ e-mail replies or letters all with revealing photos...and ended up taking 2 from the reply bin after two-day trials in SP, both of whom spent two weeks at a beach villa with me near Campinas and also hooked us up with 3-4 other beach babes/college girls for 1 or 2 day sleepover parties...one was a tall mulata nurse and the other a porcelein-skinned Carioca undergrad who partied with me again on my last trip and seduced a couple of other 19 yr old LT party girlfriends for us to enjoy together.

For the Patagonia trip, I need bilingual beauties who are happy in outdoorsy settings and won't whine about their nails if I take them fishing or on long backcountry Jeep trips.

Any suggestions or pointers as to where (and under what categories) I might advertise...ie. what newspaper(s) in BA, Bariloche, etc?

Leo

12-05-02, 20:56

i'll be staying in recoleta dec/30 & dec/31, anxious to hear your research results and your opinion of what to expect chica-wise. and definitely interested in a get-together for nye!

DownBA

12-05-02, 21:22

"Personally, I use a simpler system: Yes, I'd consider fucking them, or No, I wouldn't."

Hi Jackson! Now that's cutting to the chase and THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT! I'm already signed up for your rating system, Jackson.

I mean for crying out loud, when you go to a fine arts museum you don't stand there in front of the Picasso going, "that's an 8.5!" "That Mona Lisa over there's a 9." You stand there thinking, "I love that goddamn picture, I want it!" Well put Jackson! Sorry, as for a New Year's Eve party, don't think it's in the cards so soon after my November trip, but hey, a guy can dream can't he? You and the other boys have fun though. DownBA

kyck_stand

12-05-02, 22:05

Continued....

So, Thursday night, I didn’t really see anything I liked. I was also tired from the day before with not sleeping on the flight and participating in “other” activities. Saint found himself a little evening entertainment so we headed back to the hotel.

On Friday, I call up another lady from Gemidos. I am REALLY beginning to like this site. You won’t find any duplicate photos. The photos have been accurate with all 3 of the ladies I’ve seen. And I’ve had great service from each lady that I’ve seen.

My lady arrives and we follow the normal formalities. No money is mentioned, we just get right down to business. She was a 22-year old Argentine blonde with artificial “ornaments” and nice, curvaceous hips. VERY pleasant to be with. A Passionate kisser and very accommodating. Except for a very funny moment. At one during the intense “sex-fest”, I suggested we switch positions. Her curvy hips were basically ordering me “General Kick Stand. Begin Operation: Unrelenting Doggie.”

Yes, Ma’am.

So, in my pathetic Spanish, I tell her my desire to do her from behind. Well, my Spanish prepositions suck. Instead of “FROM”, she thought I meant “IN”. She took a look at my “Infiltration Unit” and backed away from me shaking her head and talking quickly in Spanish. I realize what I said and explained again, this time with the help of sign language. I must improve my Spanish.

I finish off hitting it from behind with her turning her head to kiss me. Very good kisser, this girl. I arrange to see her again on Sunday WITH her friend.

After she leaves, I shower and I try to contact Saint to see what he’s doing for lunch.

We have lunch and make preparations for the night’s dinner. We meet Mayri and make our way into the restaurant. It’s a very nice place. You could tell that Jackson put a lot of effort into getting this together. As a participant, I thought it was a great success. I enjoyed meeting some of the other hobbyists and Jackson himself. One of the guys I met from a previous trip, Super Jeff, arrives. I’m not sure if Super Jeff is a member of this forum but if you guys get a chance to meet him, you’re in for some QUALITY entertainment. Trust me, if you see him, you’ll KNOW it’s him. Just follow the laughter and look for the biggest guy. I haven’t laughed that hard in a while. And his name’s not Jeff, its…..

SUPER Jeff.

Great food and great company. The only thing missing to make this night perfect is …
A good lay.

We hang out at Jackson’s place for a while and leave to hit the clubs. We bounce around and end up at Playwoman. We see a couple of the guys from party and hang out with them while we scope the talent. Saint calls over a nice looking brunette. I’m still scooping. Nothing jumps out and gives me the urge to merge. I do see something of interest. A petite blonde in black talking to one of my compadres. She’s attractive and has these 2 long braids that make me wonder about two things:

1) Those would make great handles.
2) Can she yodel?

Well, I play her off since she’s with someone else and continue my survey of the landscape. Saint, being the good guy that he is, is a little concerned that I haven’t found anything yet. So he makes a suggestion.

El Maldad Toque de Muerte!!!!

He tells me about a previous session with Paola who he states is a lesbian. She fucks like crazy. Hmmm…..why not? We get her to come over. We talk a little bit and she suggests bringing her friend over. Andrea, the Handle-wearing Heidi. Starting to look better. Saint suggests a threesome. Little did I realize that this was….

“El Maldad Toque de Muerte!!!!!!”

I do. We agree on the price of 400 pesos total for 2 hours. We leave and head back to the hotel.

This had to be one of the most pathetic times a man could possibly have in the company of two naked women.

They never kissed. Everything was obviously orchestrated as far as they were concerned. They were trying to get me to come quickly by squeezing my dick as a TRIED to fuck them. Andrea wouldn’t even let get a decent penetration. No kissing. Every change required a condom change which REALLY sucks for someone who brings his own because those available in South America don’t fit comfortably. And that’s what REALLY pisses me off. I was missing those 6 wasted condoms the following day.

They spent most of the time trying to jerk me off. This was about as pleasurable as doing with a pair of vice grip pliers. They were warned ahead of time about me so there was no reason for this. At this point, I have sworn off seeing girls at Playwoman. I have yet to have a good experience from them. I can only speak for myself.

Maybe it didn’t have anything to do with Saint’s evil death touch…..yeah, and maybe I’m a Jamaican Alpine Skier.

More to come.

Kick Stand

0919

12-05-02, 22:30

Will be in BA for the first time in January. Have read all the post but wondered if anyone had imformation on Melanni, Leiza, Dulce, Camil, or Beth from Platynum or Karen from escortsbaires-Thanks very much

Andres

12-05-02, 23:19

kyck_stand:

1) In order to do a girl with doggie style, say "el perrito" (the little dog). This helps to differentiate it from greek style.

2) " El maldad toque de muerte" has no meaning in Spanish. In English, Evil can be a noun or an adjective, but maldad is just a noun in Spanish, not an adjective (the adjective is maligno or malvado). Also, for countable items, we should use the article in Spanish. Thus, "The evil death touch" translates to "El malvado toque de la Muerte".

Saludos,

Andres

DownBA

12-06-02, 00:25

Kyck_Stand, I sympathize with you being of the rather large persuasion myself, but I've pondered your situation and have come to the conclusion that the only way for you to start finding satisfaction in BA is to undergo a male reduction surgery and then you'll be 6" - FROM THE FLOOR! I know a great surgeon who did my reduction and I'll be happy to recommend him if you're seriously interested. They also have a milling procedure to take care of the girth problem, that was the biggest drawback for me pre-surgery but the ladies still like the length:) DownBA P.S. Haven't had any problems since I took the reverse plunge!

DownBA

12-06-02, 00:31

Bond, I know what you're trying to say here and I think the nuance is going over Andres's head: instead of "el perrito" Kyk_Stand should be saying "el perraso"... the argentinians always add "aso" to mean "really big". For example, "senasos" for really big tits, "porongaso" for really big cock, "doloraso" for really big pain, "amigaso" for really great buddy, etc, etc. DownBA

kyck_stand

12-06-02, 01:38

DownBA,

HA!!! I needed that laugh. Freakin' snowed in here in the Tri-State area. Makes me even more upset that I was in BA just 4 days ago. I knew I should "missed" my flight.

Kick Stand

apstar

12-06-02, 03:53

kyck_stand,
Sorry to hear that you had a lousy time with the two chicks from Playwomen, I was one of the AMAers that were hanging out with you that night. I rememered thinking to myself that night, damn that Kyck_stand guy, he got two of the hotter chicks in Playwomen for a double and now we were left with the leftovers!! But I figured you'd at least have a great story or two to tell from the night. Again, sorry that wasn't quite the case. Now, I maybe speaking out of my ass here, and it is purely an empirical observation on my part, but based on the few double sessions that I have, the key to a good double session is that you gotta to let your main chick pick the other chick; that way they have chemistry with each other and will more likely get into the lesbian aspect of the double session. Again, all IMHO(baed on only a few double sessions in Rio)

kyck_stand

12-06-02, 12:45

apstar,

I remember you, dude. How was the rest of your trip? I was hoping to catch up with you guys before I left but maybe next time.

To tell you the truth, she DID pick the other chick. Actually almost every double that I've had has been that way. This one was just crap. Now I did have an awesome double later that week. I'll post it when I get some free time.

Hope to catch up with you the next time we're in BA at the same time.

Kick Stand

JamesBond69

12-06-02, 13:56

Originally posted by DownBA
I can't agree with you more that we should do away with the # system since the old addage "beauty is in the eye of the beholder

After a month of hard mongering - Just when I have developed the monger skills and reputation for consistently pulling out the highest rated chicas - there is a movement in the forum to abolish the rating system. I PROTEST

THIS IS NOT FAIR. a 10 is a 10 is a 10. Beauty (sexiness in this case) is not in the eye of the beholder, it is in the eye of the club owners who know that there are five girls in a club earn as much as the other 20 combined.

Coming attraction... stay tuned...
"How you too can leave with the perfect 10 in BA"
Some tips from a leading monger in the trenches

Miami

12-06-02, 15:04

Hi Guys,
I got back last weekend, but I've been busy so I couldn't post till now. Next weekend I'll be in Brazil for "business".
Anyway, it was my 1st trip to BA and it was all you guy's fault :)
I know in my previous posts, I promised to make 20 - 25 individual reports on the Internet girls, but it didn't work out that way. Sorry guys, but I will send out what pics I have to everyone
that already emailed me.

APARTMENT SCENE
I got to BA on Wednesday morning and checked into my apartment in Recoleta. Never tried a hotel there, but not planning to after my great apartment experience. I stayed with the infamous James Bond and had a great time with him.
Most the "apartment" places seem to have about 5-10 girls and charge between $100-$200 Pesos. You sit down in a room and the girls enter individually and introduce themselves.
You should remember the girl you want, but if you forget ask the madam to send them in again.
I first went to FRENCH STREET and hooked up with Samantha. At these "apartments" they usually want payment up front and ask you how much time you want. Always ask for 1/2 hour or 1 hour then add more time as needed. It was $100 Pesos for the first hour at French. I got and extra 1/2 hour for $70 Pesos.
Samantha was a tall thin blond and was very uninteresting in bed.
French has a nice setup and my room was clean with a large bathroom with a jacuzzi tub.
I don't know the name of the second place I was in. Bond brought me there. Originally, I was a little exhausted from not sleeping on the flight and French, so I declined the girls and spoke to the madam. I asked her if she advertised and she gave me a copy of "Ambito Finanzera", a financial newspaper.
She said for people like me, we need to start reading this newspaper from the back :)
There were a few "apartments" advertised and also had their websites. This place had a website and the madam said all the girls were shown there. Also in this newspaper were pictures of girls and their phone numbers. Some really looked good, but I don't know if they are real. I really did not like the "apartment" scene and never went to anymore after the first day.
The advantage of these places are that they are open during the day, but it is better to rest up for the club scene at night where the girls look better and there is more selection.

CLUB SCENE
Bond took me out to NUEVA ESTILO first. It seems to be more of a local place and had about 20-30 girls. I was pleasantly surprised to see a lesbian act on stage. It wasn't one of those fake lesbian acts either. Each girls had their tongue in every hole of the other girl. They have a $10 Peso? cover which included a drink and free pizza. They also have small rooms upstairs where you can take the girls. These rooms are free. Me and Bond paid $100 Pesos each for 1/2 hour.
Bond then took me to SHAMPOO. I love this place and there were about 3 really hot girls I wanted to take. Shampoo has about 20 girls and the place is really nice.
I also went to BLACK's, which is the best club I went to. This place is more expensive to separate the higher-worth clientele from the poorer locals.
I came in here and saw one girl that I couldn't take my eyes off. She looks exactly like Shakira and I have a big time thing for Shakira. Bond says that this is an insult to Shakira :) but many people were saying this and at a wine bar, a girl actually started screaming "Shakira !". I ended up staying with her for the rest of my trip and she told me and Bond a lot of stuff about Blacks.
Blacks has a $10 or $20 entrance fee, which include a free drink. To take a girl out, you must buy her 2 drinks. It doesn't matter if the girl orders water or champagne, each drink is $60 Pesos for the girl. I ordered 2 Chivas, 1 Screwdriver, 3 coffees, and 2 champagnes(for Shakira) and the tab came to $202 Pesos.
Anyway, she told me that Blacks is almost 100% tourists and mostly guys from Hotel Alvera, Hilton, and Sheraton. There are mainly Americans in there with some Italians and Germans.
There are 60-80 girls working there and about 80% of the girls are Argentinian. The other 20% is mostly Brazilian.
Actually Shakira is Brazilian and from Curitiba(another place that is on my list to go).
GFE is the best way to go anywhere if you find a girl that really interests you and it is available. I saved hundreds of dollars, had huge amounts of sex with a girl I liked, and had 2 extra pillows to sleep on.
You only pay the drinks to the club. What you pay to the girl, the girl keeps. Their prices seem to be $100 - $200 USD. They also know what the exchange rate, so you can't just ask to pay $100-$200 Pesos. Most of the foreign girls that work at Blacks stay at the Hotel Carlos V, whic is at 1268 Ascuernega.
The phone number is 4821-6248. Guys are not permited into this hotel, but there is a bar directly across the street. Just look for James Bond sitting by the window :) I'm sure you could meet some girls walking out of this hotel during the day and see what they look like before make-up and wardrobe.

INTERNET GIRLS
Because of Shakira(her real name is Jenny, forgot her club name) I couldn't hit the Internet girls like I planned to. I had a huge list with pictures in an Excel file.
I had Chiara from Escorts-Argentina? The number listed was a land line and it did turn out it was a number of a brothel. Brothel or independent doesn't make a difference for me as long as the girl looks good.
Chiara came about 30 minutes late and charged $100 Pesos for the hour. She looks a bit older than her pictures, but she had her implants removed, so her breats are long and droopy. She was nice and professional. I failed on my hidden camera because I pressed the Record button twice accidentally. She later saw the camera and asked my to shut it off.
The 2nd Internet girl I had was recommended to me by Bond. Dulce was a great recommendation. She was very eager to please and was cute. She loved the camera. She charged $150 Pesos, but hung out for a little bit after.

Overall, BA was worth it. I had a great time. The Brazil/Argentina debate is valid, but Brazilian girls are definitely better and more into the sex. But, I will be back in BA.

One last thing I would like to mention is the Thanksgiving dinner. I didn't want to go because I thought there would be a group of strange freaks there(Sorry). Later, I saw the video of the dinner. I was completely wrong. Most of these guys would do well with the ladies anywhere. Most of them seemed to have great personalities and looked like professionals. They even raised hundreds of dollars to buy food and toys for the poor. One thing about BA is that it will break your heart when you see so many kids full of dirt begging you for some money.
I feel such a loss not being at the Thanksgiving dinner(not a huge loss because I was with Shakira), but Jackson, Saint, EZEAmante, Kick Stand, Bond and others... You are great guys!
P.S. Don't email about the video. I don't have it and it is not available for obvious reasons.

Miami

12-06-02, 15:13

About the rating system.
Rating system is good if you know that the poster's "type" is the same as yours.
I prefer a description of the body, such as:
White girl with tan skin.
About 5'8". Firm C cup. Flat stomach. Shaven. Clean.
Black hair. Green Eyes. Normal sized ass, but firm.
Also:
She is looks like the girl next door, she looks like a porn star,
she looks like a high school student.

And of course, the best way:
Pictures.

Andres

12-06-02, 16:50

Guys:

1) Ambito Financiero is the main financial Argentine newspaper. It usually has the advertisement for upscale escorts, while Clarin has the middle scale and Cronica has the low scale.

You can access the online version on www.ambitoweb.com Go there and click over "Acceso a la Edicion Gratuita" (Access to the Free Site). There, you will find a left menu column that has the link "Guia de Servcios" under Clasificados (sometimes is offline due to maintenance). At his page, I usually find the new Internet escorts sites for Buenos Aires (every month or every 2 months a new link is added).

2) A question: When you say "girl next door", what do you really mean?

Andres

BA_Robert

12-06-02, 17:44

Andres,

I also found several phonenumbers to brothels tru Ambito Financiero. However, do you know any other way to find nice brothels or do you have any info on nice brothels in BA. I know some good but are there brothels that one should avoid?

BA_ROBERT

Andres

12-06-02, 20:29

BA_Robert:

All around the World, the hobby changes faster than subparticles in quantum physics. A current good brothel was a lousy shack yesterday, and the opposite.

For instance, two of the best BA brothels in the 90s were Top Secret (Artigas St and JB Justo Ave, in Flores) and La Saison (Pueyrredon Av and Cordoba Av, in Barrio Norte). Both are still open but, from my recent experience and the recent posts I read, these places don't rock anymore.

I wrote an anonymous report in this website back in 1996 detailing how the brothel business went down after the "Judge Oyarbide scandal". By 1997-98, most boliches were simple bars as we know them nowadays (no rooms available on site). The few brothels that you will encounter in BA are out of downtown and Recoleta (I'm not including private apartments, since I don't consider them "brothels").

Unfortunately, your question can only be answered by trial and error and serves only for a limited time. Just apply common sense (also take into account that a good brothel to me could be nasty for you and viceversa). Try Pueyrredon Affaire. If you like it, chances are that you will like brothels BA style. If you don't like it, be aware that most brothels are worse than that.

Hope this helps,

Andres

Capt Dave

12-06-02, 21:11

Back in a VERY Chilly N. Florida - just wanted to drop a note and thank all the guys, and especially Jackson, for putting the Thanks back in Thanksgiving!
Probably won't be back in BA until next February - how about a Valentine party, Jackson?
:)

This might not be the right place to put this, but since I had a doctor appt. anyway today, I had a very interesting chat with my Doc about this and that, but specifically the perils of the beloved BBBJ. He is a REALLY cool guy, and his take and suggestions were these...

He feels (as we have no doubt noticed) that the likelhood of contracting an STD from a BBBJ is, while certainly possible, low. His suggestion was to get a bunch of little bottles of antiseptic mouthwash, and offer one to your Chica just prior. He also thought that rubbing a little of your drink on yourself just prior to "condomizing" couldn't hurt either.

I think these are good ideas, and I look forward to doing some extensive research (in the name of science, of course!)

Maddur

12-07-02, 01:19

Last night had a chat with the master himself (Jackson) and Johnguapo69 at the Etoile. I leave with Johnguapo and we have dinner (great food). Then we check out NewPort. Mostly ugly or old hags - so we move on. Johnguapo heads off to Estello N.. and I go to Cattos, Hook and finally Ness. I picked an Argentinian chica (dark hair with greyish brown eyes and white skin). Price: 150 p. (This chick can suck a golf ball through a garden hose!).

Nibu Raphael

12-07-02, 02:28

Wow La Larry That Shit sucks but if your so laded did you ever think about poutting in your money to help out Jackson to expand his site way more. Jacksons site kicks ass but even if it could get better hell yeh no problem off to another question. How come none of you Gringos like me ever visit the interior of Argentina?? Come on Man I would love to have full reoports on Rosario,Mendoza,Bariloche,Salta,Santa Fe,Parana,Corrientes,Resstencia,Bahia Blanca and other places. To Jackson and Saint where is the line you draw for being Paranoid or not?? I too get nervous on who to met I blew off a few guys in Lima Peru a few times and thse dudes HATE Me. Shit where do you draw the line on Who to trust or not???? I have met two guys at the airport in Lima Peru one was cool a total drunk but cool the other cool too but kind of drawing the line on younger girls Ouch. Another dude I met in Barranco Lima Peru who seemed crazier then me. One did in NYC Vacation Rich hates my guts cause I never met up with him Hey Man I also keep in touch with a lot of Heavy Metal bands,Two Porno stars One very very famous from Santa Monica California plus my girl is 7 months pregnant and I am trying to move back with her in my parents house in Chicago. I would love to still have some happy times with my folks as my dad is 73 now. Ok Ok I hope you guys understood my input. To Havanaman I got your e maIL Should be in BA Tomorow night but fucking broke cause of Shitty Montevideo BA Blows Montevideo away,,,,, NIBU R......

BA_Robert

12-07-02, 02:38

Andres,

Iam well aware of the changing scene in BA and I have tried some of the brothels in the recoleta. French of course. There is a nice one called Cielo on larrea and one on Juncal. I’ve seen Affair too. The Oyarbide scandal that you refer to, is it the murder of the brothel manager that I’ve been hearing about.

jamesbond69

We all know your weird taste in women. A 10 is a 10 is a 10 right. I see that you becoming more and more daring. Playing pool with chickas in the middle of the night in the downtown area sounds quite daring. Still at the Etoile having the 22:00 meetings or did you have to change to an apartment? How is our argentinian guide? Has he revealed any more of his BA secrets. Any more visits to the Crocodile disco or anything like that?

DownBA:

Found out my last day in BA that the ”swedish girl” in the restaurant is single. She might need a boyfriend down in BA. Go for it!

Andres

12-07-02, 02:44

BA_Robert:

Do you remember the intersection of the steets regarding the Cielo-Larrea and the Juncal ones?

Yes, the Oyarbide affair was related to the "murder" of the brothel manager (the victim, called Garbellano, received 6 shots but didn't die; a miracle).

Hope this helps,

Andres

BA_Robert

12-07-02, 03:21

Andres,

The one called Cielo on Larrea is on 1075 something. I can't remember exact. It's a nice place with about 10 girls. Compared to the one on French they have much better girls. 120 peso for an hour for bj with condom and ordinary shag. 150 with a bbbj and 170 if one is into anal. They post in Ambito financiero. The one on Juncal is on the small part of the street (on block) that is closed for repairs. No cars allowed. This doesn't really help since you need the exact address. But check their ads in Ambito.

So the brothel scene was much bigger in BA before the shootings? Has it picked up or is it the same as after the shootings?

Miami

12-07-02, 05:02

[i]Guys:

1) Ambito Financiero is the main financial Argentine newspaper. It usually has the advertisement for upscale escorts, while Clarin has the middle scale and Cronica has the low scale.

2) A question: When you say "girl next door", what do you really mean?

Wow, you know everything in BA don't you ?

In the States, we use the term "Girl Next Door" for a normal looking girl. By "normal" I don't mean that she couldn't be extermely beautiful, but a "Girl Next Door" doesn't look like a supermodel or a porn star. She looks like the hot girl at your office, or at the supermarket, or at other everyday places.

Andres

12-07-02, 05:19

BA-Robert:

I guess that Larrea 1075 is close to the corner with Santa Fe Av, and the Juncal short block is the one between Uriburu St and Junin St. Am I right?

WOW! 2 "saunas" in Barrio Norte... 2 years ago, they wouldn't afford to remain in business since neighbors would have complained and rent prices would have been too high for this activity in a high-scale commercial district. However, neigbors may not care that much now and rental prices may have plummeted.

Before the shootings, the brothel scene seemed similar to that of San José, Costa Rica: Many bars with on-site facilities ("saunas") like IDEM, most of them in Flores, Constitucion, Once and Palermo (Recoleta and Downtown, although alive, didn't attract many foreigners with the 1-1 Peso-Dollar parity).

After the shootings, the Federal Police had to pretend that they fighted prostitution (instead of making money form it) so many of these "saunas" were closed, just to reopen transformed in bars with exit fees, as they are today.

In many neighborhoods like Flores, the former saunas just built a divisory wall between the bar and the rooms, adding a new entrance from the outside, so the bar has no apparent connection with the neighboring property (La Fuente, Envidia, La Nuit, Scorpions, Manhattan, etc, still work that way; see my previous posts from July 2002). It's funny: You go out of the bar with the girl and enter the house next door. Literally 4 steps.

What I used to do when living there is to park my car close to the entrance door and watch the quality from the outside (girls coming in and out all of the time). This way I kept my clothes away from those heavily smoking places (people smoke a lot there) and avoided the entrance fee if I didn't like the girls (take into acount that I earned a local salary...).

As for what I read from board posters, I imagine that most people wouldn't feel comfortable with the old "saunas": Too fast and quick for a GFE, and I understand it. Traveing from so far away for a "hygienic discharge" isn't worth. But for a young Argentine guy who visited the places once or twice a month and had non-pro action at the same time, it was OK.

Hope this helps,

Andres

0919

12-07-02, 17:04

Jackson:

Would very much like to use the services of Roxane and I appreciate you mentioning her. You said she also served as an escort herself. Does she have pics on one of the sites and if so what name does she go by? Thank you for your help.

Hi 0919,

My friend Roxana is an attractive woman in her mid-thirties. She works out regularly and keeps herself in great shape, but she is NOT a 22 year old model, she does not advertise herself on any escort websites, and she does not regularly promote herself as prostitute. However, if she likes you personally, she is not adverse to engaging in sessions that will leave you totally exhausted.

Roxana's interest in being listed on my website is to promote her primary services of arranging your appointments with the chicas, assisting you with whatever logistical needs you may have while in Buenos Aires, including finding and furnishing an apartment, finding an attorney to negociate a lease, arranging for utility services, finding a custom tailor or a dentist, getting tickets to events, and any other similar endeavors wherein her excellent English skills combined with her life-time knowledge of the city can be invaluable. In addition, if you are interested, she is certainly available to accompany you as a date to any event you may require, either for business purposes or simply because she is an interesting and intelligent person. Of course, like I said, she can certainly wear you down in the sack also.

The thing about Roxana is that she speaks fluent English and she's totally cool about everything, so there's pretty much nothing that you can't ask her to do, including eliciting specific details from the chicas and negotiating the price and other conditions as you require. Want to make sure that the chica provides BBBJ or likes anal? Want to make sure that the chica is agreeable to getting paid after the session? Just ask Roxana and she will ask the chica in no uncertain terms. For this, she is worth every dollar she gets paid.

Jackson

MRLA

12-07-02, 18:04

Hi Guys-I'm the new kid on the block, and I just want to "THANK"
Sir Mr. Jackson for this board. And thank all the guys for all the information. I am going to BA for the first time in Feb, and I feel like a kid in a candy store, with all the information on this board, and the internet sites for ladies, I know I am going to have a ball. Once again thank you all.

MrLA

JohnGuapo

12-07-02, 18:16

Argentina Monger´s Association outing Saturday night at 10:00 pm in front of hotel Etoile. If anybody´s interested, I will be at the bar in outside the hotel.

Thursday
Met up with Jackson and Maddur and compared notes for a while at the bar in front of Etoile. Both are cool as hell and accomplished mongers with a lot of good pointers. Maddur and I grabbed something to eat and he went to Hooks. I went to my favorite place - the Nuevo Estilo for a night of fun. First it was packed with people with about the same number of women as before. I was the only foreigner there and I finally asked a group of guys if I could sit with them as there were no other seats in the place. They were super cool and we started to enjoy the great lesby shows there.

The girls were the same as last time and they all remembered me and kept asking where my friends were - especially the blonde girl that kept asking for James Bond in her heavy argentinian accent and the girl with the big booty asking for Dboy. There was a waitress there that was not there that was cute and kept bringing me beers and kissing me each time. She finally asked if she could sit with me and wanted to go out with me. She kept rubbing me and talked about how she wanted to see me on Sunday. Anyway, she said that she only had been working there for 2 days and did not go with guys upstairs. Anyway, I will give it a try to see if I can get some semi-pro action on Sunday.

I ditched the waitress and immediately Antonela came to see me and at this time it was 4:00 am and I had not taken my vitamin V yet. I told her that I had to go back to my hotel and that I wanted her to meet me there at 5:30 and she said yes. This way, I avoided the bar fine and she would come to my place.

At 5:45, I fugured she ditched me so I called another little Clarin cutie - Tamara. She is the cute little blond that charges $30 pesos an hour and has taught me about 10 new positions. While I was waiting for Tamara, Antonela showed up and I started doing here with her incredibly tight body with natural c tits. Anyway, Tamara showed up I told her the situation but did not want to participate as she said that she was not a lesbian. I told her that since she was here she could watch and she agreed while I had incredible, incredible and more incredible sex with Antonela.

Antonela left and Tamara acked if she could stay longer and I said yes and I finally had the energy to get her at 9:30 am. and she left at 11:00.

I then went on a shopping adventure finding suits and custom made shirts for myself - I will describe this in a seperate post.

Anyway, last night I hit the monger wall and the residual affects of too much wine, bife de Chorizo, 3 to 4 girls a day, viagra and no sleep finally took its toll. The good thing is that Johnguapo is rested and looking forward to another night of great mongering. This Saturday afternoon it will be an internet girl and tonight hopefully two hotties at the same time.

Saludos de BA,
John Guapo

Jackson

12-07-02, 19:16

I am pleased to announce that the issue regarding the video tape of the Thanksgiving dinner has been resolved.

Yesterday afternoon I received a telephone call from our fellow Forum member who made the video. He had read everyone's comments on the Forum and received emails from a couple of the other attendees, and of his own accord he volunteered to give me the video tape for me to destroy.

Later that evening I had a lengthy conversation with him wherein he gave me the videotape and to me that he had no intention of making anyone uncomfortable by videotaping the Thanksgiving dinner, but given everyone’s response, he quickly came to the conclusion that he could solve the problem immediately by giving the only copy to me. I think everyone should know that our friend had no malice of forethought, it’s just that he is in the video documentary business and therefor regularly videotapes events in which he participates.

Upon giving me the videotape, our friend asked that I might remove the messages on the Forum regarding the situation, a request that seemed appropriate and that I agreed to do. I believe that the subject has been fully resolved, the specific postings are not directly related to the stated goal of this Forum, and there's no need to keep them as a part of the permanent record. Therefor, although there was certainly some intelligent discussion on the situation and the subject of privacy in these postings, I have removed them.

Thanks,

Jackson

DownBA

12-07-02, 19:27

Jackson, what time zone are the Argentina posts based on? I assume some European zone since at the time I'm writing this post it's 3:16 est and there is already a post ahead of mine listed as 21-something hours. This couldn't be Argentinian time since they're only 2 hours ahead of est. Please explain. And thanks for doing the right thing with the infamous Thanksgiving video even though I wasn't there but I think sensible minds prevailed and the right thing was done. DownBA

Everything os logged on GMT, but you can use the Control Panel (menu link on the left side menu bar) to set all your displays for your time zone.

Jackson

DownBA

12-07-02, 19:32

BA_Robert, thanks for letting me know the status of that incredible "Swedish" girl at the restuarant. She's what I call "to die for" gorgeous and classy looking and what a surprise when she started speaking Swedish to you!! I can still see the look of shock on your face when you heard good Swedish coming out the mouth of a gorgeous, dark-haired South American goddess!!! Why can't the clubs be filled with more chicas like our hostess that night? It was fun talking to you about Applegren, Bengston, Johannson and company. DownBA

0919

12-07-02, 19:42

Jackson Thank you for your reply concerning Roxane-I will get in toucj with her. Also thank you and all the other guys for your valuble information regarding BA. Having never been before I feel I now have enough knowledge to make my trip in January an enjoyable one. Again thanks for all the help !

staticicon

12-07-02, 22:18

Hey guys!

This your monguer guide from BA Jose.

I have spent a wonderfull time with those who were with me in the last two weeks during thanksgiving and I hope you enjoyed as well as I did.

Sorry for not answering your calls and not joining in the last days but I have been very busy due to my business.

BA Robert,

Hope you had a good return home and I guess you are planning your next trip down here.
We have agreeded to keep CIELO under secret.(in order not to raise prices). Anyhow it is already posted so I will give you full details for all AMA.

CIELO (means heaven in spanish):
Highly recommended for Day time action.

Neighbourhood: Barrio Norte
Address: Larrea 1072 1st Floor
Phone: 4824-8822
Madam: Mary
Working Hours: 10:00 AM to 24:00PM
Sex Business Model:Brothel
Target market: upscale and businessmen
Rooms:private rooms with jacuzzi,tv,music
Qty or girls:10
Girl Average Rating: 7 (some 8´s and 9´s are found)

Service Rates: (Hour basis)
$120 Vaginal+BJ with Condom
$150 Vaginal+BBBJ
$170 Vaginal+BBBJ+Anal

Drinks are inclusive and are unlimited.You may select soft drinks,water or national whisky.

It is highly recommended to call in advance to check the number of girls available before you go.

The action is like this:
When you show up the madam will introduce herself and will tell you the rates.

Then you will sit down in some comfy sofas and will start the showtime:
Each girl will introduce herself wearing sexy lingerie and give you a kiss, one by one.

Then the madam will come and will ask you about the girl and desired service you want.

Very Important! remember the names or the appearance number

You pay and go to a room.

Staticicon.

Dboy

12-07-02, 23:09

DownBA That incredible "Swedish" girl is Paola. She works at the Tenorio restuarant as a hostess and greeter and is indeed stunning. She's a dark haired Argentine, with a fantastic body, and she's great to talk to. Her English is perfect and she spent a summer or a year in Sweden. She's studying Economics at University.

More than a few times in the last few weeks I went to Tenorio (between Hotel Etoile and Newport). I chatted with Paola and then asked for at a table near the sidewalk, sipped a few cervezas, listened to music (some nights), and just watched this beauty work the passersby. She's great!

apstar

12-07-02, 23:21

staticicon,

Did not know that you are on this board but was certainly good to see you post here. That was a lot of fun hanging out with you and other boys going to various clubs. I don't know how you do it, going out to wee hours at night and going to work the next day, guess I need more of that Argentine mojo, hah? Question to you, this Cielo place was not the apartment place we went to last Saturday, was it? If not, I'd definitely have to try it out the next time. Sounds like this would be another BA scene that I can tap into next time I am in BA.

staticicon

12-08-02, 01:01

Apstar,

Basically, I am used to sleep only 4 or 5 hours a day. I guess can do it as i am still young.

The place we went that Saturday is about 10 blocks from Cielo,so try it in next trip.

CYA.

Andres

12-08-02, 01:02

Staticicon:

1) Do you know if Cielo works on weekends (Sundays)?

2) Have you ever gone to Affaire of Pueyrredon and Paraguay (just 3-4 blocks from Cielo)? If so, how do you compare Affaire's girls with Cielos's ones?

Thanks,

Andres

BA_Robert

12-08-02, 01:27

Hello Staticicon,

How are you. How did it go with the Madaho cutie. One of my personal Madaho favorites, but unfortunately I didn't have the time check here out myself.
The secret about Cielo is already out thats why I posted. Iam very impressed that you remember all the info about Cielo.

Nibu Raphael

12-08-02, 13:18

Hi Jackson and All I am now in Ba with my Buddy JM. Last night we stayed in a killer hotel for 30 pesos the San Ramon On Moreno 1133 30 pesos for two great place. Last night we also went by the Red Light Zone of Constitucion. We saw some Ugly whores on and near Ave. Brazil We also looked in to a Shitty Whiskeria Calipso Ugly Girls. Lot of cheap hotels for two in the price of 20,22 and 30 pesos. CHEAP. A few Salsa Cumbia places with lot of drunk dudes and girls in Mini Skirts entering. I am low on money so now for the next few days we will stay in this CHEAP residencial for 12 pesos for two We saw too a hot girl with colored Pink hair that lives there and looks like she had some nice 36 DD Titties. Her name is Wendy Might be a Peruvian girl. So the place I will be at for a few days will be Hotel constitucion Ave. San Juan 818 in Capital Federal call up 4307- 4749.... Ok Last night not too much Hunting. We did though pass by a cafe in centro Ave. San Martin and cordoba One Hot Busty Mama in there But Her face was ugly but She Had Tits Sorry for her monster face. Ok Man My Plan next saturday plus friday of course is too hit thse Sex Club swingers Places. I have asked this before And no one has answered me on this???? I heard that Sleazy theatere in centro ABC lot of swingers go there. I went to ABC twice in April. I saw One Dude with an Ugly Wife too swing and too many GAYS.... Jackson How Do I hook up with YOU??? Do you have a cell number?? What hotel are you staying at??? Bye,,, NIBU.....

staticicon

12-08-02, 15:11

BA_Robert,

Barby was OK, she is a 20 year old new girl in the biz, a little shy but OK.
Everytime I go or discover a new place a take notes and save the data in my PC or phones in my cell.
When are your coming back to BA?

Andres,

About sundays I do not know, should check it out. Saturday for sure it is open.

For my taste CIELO girls are a couple of points up than Affaire.

Nibu,

FYI, ABC is a GAY Theater located in most famous rip off downtown joint.

Buy the magazine "entre nosotros" for swinger data.
http://www.estrenos.com.ar

Swinger Clubs/Pubs:

New Star: 4581-2815
Cleopatra: 4374-7504 / 4375-6115
El Sotano: 4432-4891 Thorne 506
Jupiter: 15 4 992 5712 Defensa 1221
Moon: 4827-9074 Juncal 1773
Noi: 4961-0111 Av. Córdoba 2901

Fat Bastard

12-08-02, 15:16

Nibu,

Check your wipy1999 email address. I have forwarded you a few links on swinger places in BsAs. I would appreciate some feedback, either to me directly or to the WSG.

Where is this ABC place located?

Fatty

Nibu Raphael

12-08-02, 15:25

ABC is located in Centro I will post the address Later,Cool I will check out my yahoo E mail now.... I will post again Later,, ThanXXX...........................

Nibu Raphael

12-08-02, 16:10

HI FB Yeh Checked it out but which swinger clubs have full premise sex on the place???? Seems like all the places that cater to singles are off Premises places They seem more like Disco Swiner places I think one place for couples only has full sex and beds and all. FB or somebody PLEASE look in to this I do not want to waste my Time or Money on the wrong places. I think one place called Swing is in the flores section.......

Nibu Raphael

12-08-02, 16:57

JB just got your e mail yeh can probably meet up to say Hi I am damn tired I Will bring my Peruvian friend too. I think Sunday is a Dead Night. I will then focus on the internet today like CRAZY And SLEEEEEEEEPPPP,,, Bye NIBU R....

kyck_stand

12-08-02, 17:44

Kick Stand in BA...

Final Continuation

Saturday (Dec 1st)….

After the miserable double that I had from Playwoman the night before, I figure that I’d better stick with my precompiled list of first visit cuties. Saint calls around 11am to see if I was interested in having lunch at a place his amiga suggested. I’m hungry. We meet downstairs at noon and catch a taxi. This turns out to be one of the costlier taxi rides I’ve ever had in BA.

For detail on this, you should check his trip report. Needless to say, another adventure with Saint. We get to this place and it’s pretty nice. I forget where it’s located but it’s called Toronto and it’s a buffet style place that has sushi, Chinese food, salad bar, etc.. We left with like a 35 peso bill for the both of us.

Before we left, I decided to make an appointment for some entertainment. Saint offers to make the call for me.

“El malvado toque de la Muerte!!!”

The girl I want to see is Bahiana/Deborah from Platynum. Saint explains that he’s calling for a friend and negotiates 250 pesos for 2 hours for 6pm. While they are on the phone, the girl even says that she should charge me 50 pesos more because I don’t speak Spanish. I should’ve known then and there that this wasn’t going to happen. But I’m such a sucker for a nice ass that I pay it no mind.

Saint makes his own arrangements and we make our way back to the hotel. 6pm rolls around. Nothing. 6:15pm, nothing. I always give the girl a half hour leeway before I write her off but I for some reason or another (I think it was the ass), I decide to call her and see what the situation was.

She says that the appointment was for 7pm, not 6pm. Bullshit. I was sitting directly across from Saint when he made the appointment. Lie #1. Something tells me to confirm the agreed upon price. She says 300 pesos. Lie #2. I say forget it. Adios. There was no mistake on our part. I can understand Spanish better than people realize. I know times and monetary amounts, so I KNOW what I heard when Saint was on the phone. What I’m hearing now is somebody trying to pull a fast one.

I make arrangements with Sabrina from Gemidos. 5 minutes after we confirm time and location, someone named Ximena calls my room. I have no idea who this is. My Spanish isn’t good enough to understand the explanation. I ask if this is Sabrina. She says “no” but offers to come over at 7pm, which is when I agreed for Sabrina to come over. I’m thinking bait&switch. I tell her no. Needless to say, Sabrina doesn’t show.

Oh well. By this time, I’m just ready to hit the clubs later. I hook up with UWPhoto and we decide to meet Saint at Black’s if we don’t see anything we like.

UWPhoto and I hit a few clubs and end up at Hook around 1am. He picks a girl he’s seen before and I select a petite blonde based on a performance suggestion from UWPhoto. I make sure she understands the amount of “trouble” that might be in her later and she doesn’t seem to have a problem. I noticed that she’s not as cute as I thought and has on entirely too much make-up once we got outside.

We go back to my room and we get started. This little girl is DEFINITELY a performer. I’ve been ridden well before but for some reason it looked so much better when she did it. Bbbj, kissing, and very enthusiastic screwing. I forgot her name though. I made her work for the “deposit”. We worked for about an hour and a half before I popped. When she saw it was only a little, she looked at me kind of disappointed like “All that for THIS?” HA!!! Shee-it, she was lucky to get that. That pathetic double from Playwoman didn’t even get half that.

So, Sunday comes and Saint calls me with a proposition around 11am. Apparently, the pathetic duo from Playwoman (Paola and Andrea) had been talking about me to the girls that work there. I think they were speaking of crotch monster. Apparently, a friend of Saint’s amiga got wind of it and wanted to meet me. She suggested getting together for lunch.

“El malvado toque de la Muerte!!!”

I was hungry, so why the fuck not? Couldn’t care less. We meet up at the girl’s place and her friend turns out to SMOKING HOT! A nicely put together brazilian mulatta named Lucila. I believe she worked at Black’s. Hmmm….possibilities.

We hop a cab and head down to Bice in Puerto Madero. We have lunch which was very nice. I didn’t speak much because Lucila doesn’t speak English. I still manage to carry a small conversation with her. Saint’s amiga is very pleasant girl. Very funny.

Saint negotiates 300 pesos for 2 hours. I say cool and we head back. Along the way, I let her wear my sunglasses because it was bright out and she had left hers.

We get back to my room, watch a little TV for 5 minutes and she showers. She comes in with a towel around her waist but with her top still on. I’m laying on the bed and climbs on top of me and we start kissing. At this point, the Beast awakes. All of a sudden, I see her eyes widen and she rolls off of me. I ask her if there is a problem, she says yes. We’re laughing at this point. She then asks for her money. I figure it should be cool. I know…STUPID!

So I give her 300 pesos. She then asks for more. EXCUSE me? She holds up ten fingers. At first, I’m surprised. Then, I’m cool. I say “Adios.” She says okay and starts to put MY money in her pants! I say “Hold the FUCK up! You are NOT leaving here with my money.” She refuses to give it back. Apparently, she’s never dealt with a brotha from the Southeastern United States.

Needless to say, it’s ON!

Now I have a sister who likes to fight and I study martial arts, so I know I can get my money back without hurting her. Well, she turns out to be stronger than I thought.

It took me a good 5 minutes to wrestle my money out of her hand. I mean, she even tried to BITE ME! Luckily, I’m an old pro at wrestling girls. So, I sit on her chest and pin her right arm with my knee. Then I put a pillow over her face to keep her from biting my leg and used both hands to PRY out my money.

SOMEBODY told her wrong.

Once I got the money, I told her to get out. She walked over to my night stand where here shoes were. On the night stand was my “List O Plenty”. Ladies names and numbers. She started reading it. I took it from her said “Gracias” and started dialing one of the numbers right in front of her.

She headed towards the kitchen and I saw her near the mini-bar. Fearing foul play, I got up and walked into the kitchen to watch her. She was eye-ing one of the little liquor bottles. When she saw me, she put it down and grabbed a bag of M&M’s. And started to leave. I saw my sunglasses hanging from her top.

Oh, HELL no!

I calmly took them from her and ushered her out the door.

“El malvado toque de la Muerte!!!”

Now, I wasn’t upset. I had a little repeat action coming by later. And she’s bringing a friend!!!!!

As soon as the ***** left, I called up my girl from Friday afternoon. She and her friend could be over by 7:30pm. Copacetic.

Saint calls and can’t believe what happened. Being the nice guy he is, he felt so bad. His amiga did, too. I tried to explain that it was no big deal. Hell, the only reason I went to lunch was to get some food. I knew that my girl from Gemidos was coming by later so I really didn’t lose anything but a pack of M&M’s.

It’s Saint’s last day here. He calls about 7:20 and tells me he’ll swing by before he leaves. I explain that I have company coming but he should come by anyway. I wait before we get started.

The ladies show up 5 minutes later. Right on time. The friend is a 22-year old brunette with blue contacts. Small boobs but nice tight body. And the smoothest skin I’ve touched in a long time. They come in and I offer them drinks. Both take fruit juice. I explain that my buddy was coming by to say goodbye in a few minutes. They looked at each other and then at me.

That’s when they ATTACKED!!!!

The brunette grabs my left hand and heads towards the couch. The blonde grabs my right and heads toward the bed in the opposite direction. Basically, I was the Chocolate rope in a tug of war. I thought “THIS IS GOING TO BE GREAT!!!”

And I was right.

I ‘ve had a few doubles. Some good, some bad. This had to be the PRIMA DOUBLE!!!

This had to be the first time I’ve ever been Tag teamed. While one would ride me, the other would be kissing me, then they’d switch while kissing deeply. Even when I THOUGHT I took control by going missionary on one, the other would let me pound away for a little, then lay next to us and TRY to pull me over on top of her. Yes, I said “TRY”. That’s because the other one would lock me with her arms and legs and not let me go. They “fought” playfully like this the entire 2.5 hours.

I think I actually started crying.

It was BEAUTIFUL!!! I believe the entire week had built up to this. AND it was WORTH IT!!! I’m sure that I was kissing one of them from start until I closed the door behind them. Wonderful.

I didn’t hear Saint knock on my door so I figured I’d talk to him when I got stateside. Sorry, dude. I was trapped. Heh heh.

The girls REALLY put it on me so I had to sleep before UWPhoto and I went out later. We met up and had dinner at a very good Arabic restaurant. We then started hitting clubs. Started out at Playwoman to just have some drinks and waste time. I wasn’t going to pick up anyone from there. Boycott is still in effect.

We hit several more and wound up downtown in Cattos(?).

NOTE: Now, I had been avoiding Cattos because everytime I go there, INCLUDING my very first visit, I’m ATTACKED by this little Dominican girl with 2 seconds of entering the door. Smoking little body and a great lay but I’m looking to chart NEW territory. With her hanging on me, I never get a chance to scout. I did send her away the last visit but I didn’t see anything interesting.

On this visit, I step in the door and THREE seconds pass. She’s not here. HA!!! I was right. So UWPhoto and I take a seat and start scoping. We are approached by two ladies. Not what were looking for. They speak English and we chat with them for a bit before sending them on their way.

I notice two girls that look Dominican. One in white pants, the other in a very short white skirt. They are dancing together. Hmmm…possible. UWPhoto and I continue watching and chilling when the Faux Dominican in white pants and a different, much LARGER Dominican female approach our table. I hoping that the split goes my way. White pants…white pants…white pants…..

JACKPOT! I feel bad for UWPhoto. Only for a minute.

I look at my new companion. She is very attractive. Dark skin. Nice teeth. But Argentine, not Dominican. I am again pleasantly surprised by the diversity of ladies in the Argentine culture. I’m a little worried about the pants, though. I wonder if she’s hiding something. We talk a little. UWPhoto tells me he’s heading to Hook because he’s tired of getting tackled. Don’t blame him. He’d been hit twice by two heavy hitters. I decide to stay with this cutie. I wasn’t worried about him though because he almost always gets something from Hook.

We talk a little more and agree to go back to my hotel. As always, I warn her that I’m packing heat. She’s cool with it so we leave. I want to hurry up and get this lady outside so that I can see what she really looks like.

Oh, yeah. She’s a hottie.

We stop in Hook and tell UWPhoto that we’re headed back. He seems more comfortable here so we leave him to the hunt.

We get back to my room and I want to see her body without the pants. And it is VERY nice. Her boobs are larger than they appear. Her body is nice and firm. And she’s very affectionate. She seems to like me. I seem to like her. We seem to screw for hours. I finish with me hitting her from behind. This girl is awesome.

I couldn’t really tell if she had an orgasm or not so I decide to give her one to make sure. She enjoyed it VERY much.

We sit up and watch TV. The 2 hours had already passed. She lay her head on my chest and I stroked her hair, face and body. I asked her if she wanted to stay the night and she did. She told me that she was supposed to be out dancing with her friends but she was staying here with me instead. Nice way to finish.

EXCEPT…..

I couldn’t keep my eyes open. It was almost 5am. At one point, I had fallen asleep briefly and I awoke to see her looking at me smiling. I apologized. She understood and got dressed to leave. I forget that they (the ladies) are used to staying up this late. Hell, I bet they never been on the business end of the PRIMA DOUBLE before. That thing will wipe you OUT!

She gave me her contact info which was already written down on a piece of paper. Curious.

We kissed and she left. I then passed out, a VERY Happy Man.

EVIL DEATH TOUCH NOTICE: Once Saint left town, I start getting play like this. Coincidence?

This was my last night in BA. I’ll be back. Oh, yes. I’ll be back. I’m not sure when. I guess it depends on when Saint and/or UWPhoto are going. I’d have to go with those two. Anytime I travel with them, I have a great time. Wouldn’t be the same without them.

But NEXT time…I’m bringing some holy water to ward off Saint’s evil touch. Heh heh.

Kick Stand

Saint

12-08-02, 19:44

OMG! I nearly pissed my pants laughing so hard. I guess you guys had to actually be there to experience the stuff that Kick Stand and UWPhoto experience (along with all the other guys that go to BA frequently). This was one of the funniest posts I've read on WSG. You definitely have the gift Kick Stand.

We definitely had a good time. I still can't believe what an ordeal K.S. went through with that b*tch from Black's that was a friend of my amiga. My amiga still can't believe it but I told her that I know Kick Stand and I know the dude is as honest as the girls are hot in BA. Ha, ha.

I'm not sure if I had "an evil death touch" with Kick Stand or not but the dude still had fun. Don't let him fool you. The day I left I did go to his room. I knocked like 5 times loudly. All I could hear was, "Oi, Oi, si, si, asi, asi!!!!". (Ahhhh, ahhhh, yesss, yess, like that, like that!!!). I just thought to myself 'thataboy'!!

I definitely am looking forward to more adventures with my amigos. In less than 3 weeks I'll be in Rio with Kick Stand and UWPhoto. We're having a New Year's Eve party with a great crew of quality guys. We rented out a room at this place so it should be interesting.

We're all a bad influence on eachother. I talk to UWPhoto and Kick Stand almost everyday on Instant Messenger. I never travel for work but Kick Stand does and so does UWPhoto. Most weekends one of us is trying to talk the other into taking a weekend trip. One weekend a few weeks ago Kick Stand was trying to talk me into going to Montreal, UW was trying to talk me into going to Rio with him and I ended up going to Mexico City!!! Ha, ha.

Life is good.

P.S. I have my apartment now. Like I said, I'm gonna rent it out to quality guys that I've either already met (and liked), or guys that met one of the guys I met. Email me if you wanna see pictures. Saintofba@aol.com

Nibu Raphael

12-08-02, 23:26

Hi Apologgy to Jackson and Jb I tried to meet you tonight But I just lost my friend tonight Man he walks like a woman I am at this Internet Place now at Florida st. next to Mcdonalds. Damn Sorry Jackson,JB my friend walks like A Woman. I think I only know one friend that walks as fast as me My Buddy Daniel from Lima who lives in Isreal now. I am no muscle dude but I can walk any city in the world all day 90,100,200 blocks No Problem. Ok Jackson,JB Call me then tommorow At The Hotel Constitucion Plaza Hey 12 Pesos for 2 Cheap as Fuck. I prefer my money more for Women,Great Cds,Great booze and Maybe Money for some Sex Mags in some of thse BA Sex shops But I am scared to get Sex magazines for Peru I do not want problem with Peruvian or Chilean customs. Hey Maybe I might just buy my future wife some sexy lingerie. Shit in fact her on Ave. Florida is a Sex shop like a block away from the Mcdonalds but closed. I also my last time around in BA In April found a Video Place that has Old Classic 80,s porn with Classic stars like KAY PARKER,Coleen Brenan,Samantha Strong,Helga Sven,Little Oral Annie,Seka,VDR,Aniierr Sprinkle,Patty Plenty and other stars Hey Plus You could get some Extreme Porn her that the Us Does not have but I prfer to just preview it here and watch it Ha Ha That is Good enough for me. I will attemt that ABC Theather again I hope that Swingers will be there tonight they always advertise as a Swingers Place PLEASE Let it be Tonight NO FAGS Ahhhhhhhh..... I am horny So Maybe Maybe tonight is the Night Jackson Buddy E Mail me at wipy1999@yahoo.com and ctw30@hotmail.com I am on messenger service too. Call me Before 10 Am Tommorrow that Is When I have to pay my bill again. Yeh In Uruguay and Argentina 10 am is the time limit for a new day in Peru And Bolivia it is usually 12 Pm Or 1 PM,,,,,, Later Ya all,,,, NIBU R.....

Nibu Raphael

12-09-02, 05:03

Stopped in the ABC thetere tonight on Esmerldas too many fags and only two boring coples no sleazy solo women but a ***** A Half block away offered to do me in the ABC Ah She was too Ugly. At the Orleans cafe dead. Around the corner from Orleans I met Beetina Big Silicone Tities Looks like A Typical 90,s Us Porno Star. Beetina asked for 70 pesos and 10 dollars for the hotel And two frre drinks come with it. She works on the streets of Maipu late at night and also By Santa Fe and Mtae Aliea Shit I can not read What She Wrote. I will have to llok at my www.lonelyplanet.com Argentina Book for the map of centro. I am now on Lavalle st under me is a sleazy 24 porn theatere and above me a Sex Shop that is open in the day. Oh I think the street she mentioned is Mt. Alver She really is not that hot but her Silicone Porno Beach Blonde California look turns me on. Ah Some Chick tryed giving me a card to 563 Tucuman I refused and told her that place is a rip off. Another 24 hour porn place on Corrientes wondering if swingers go there. I was wondering too if any Swingers or hookers go to this Porn Place Apolo Rodriguez Pena 41 Also Box sounds like a Total Gay Place Ah Shit I Hope not Box is at Laprida 1423. OH Since I am posting now is the sex scene still pretty lame up in Flores on the 7300 block of Rivadavia? I know last night in The Constitucion Red Light Zone area it was pretty horrible I also did not see this Whiskeria that I saw before on Ave. Brazil or the whores of San Juan,,,Regards:::: NIBU R.......

Toosh

12-09-02, 12:42

Nibu,

Are you capable of writing a coherent sentence with at least halfway decent grammar and punctuation? Attempting to read one of your posts is like trying to decipher a dyslexic 6 year old. It's not worth the trouble.

MRLA

12-09-02, 14:28

Hey Kick Stand,

I am the new guy on the block, and sure do enjoy your posts. along with Saint. You guys seem to be having a ball. I will be in BA in Feb 2-11, for the first time, anyway you can introduce me to a phone number on the "TAG TEAM". Hope to meet up with some mongers and especially "Sir Jackson".Thanks

MR LA

Starfe

12-09-02, 17:26

I HAVE BEEN TELLING NIBU FOR YEARS HE IS AN IDIOT.

NIBU,
GO BACK TO CHILE AND PERU :::::::::::::PLEASE

STARFE

Leo

12-09-02, 18:39

sorry gentlemen for the post...

hey barickster,

email to you bounced, if you're still heading to b.a. mid-dec drop me an email, or post here.

B69

12-09-02, 20:07

Hey guys,

First 24 hours in BA. Am staying at Apart Hotel Recoleta in Calle Guido. Great location indeed. Right next to Cementary Recoleta and incredibly close from Madaho, Black, etc.
USD 45 breakfast and tax included. Plain but fine.
Right opposite an all you eat (food that is) buffet for 9 peso. Food is very good and incredibly varied. They serve just about everything.
As soon as I find out how chica friendy it is I will inform.

Went to the pharmacy corner of Florida and Paraguay. Yup, they do sell Viagra at Peso 77 for 4 100mg without any hassle. Has Argentine equivalent, Bifort 50. Much cheaper. Guy says it is not as good. I think I will have to test it. Will report.

Spent an hour with Alessandra from Platynum. Check www.nazarenabazan.com.ar. Body of death. Pricey from what I read in forum. Peso 400. Was worth it. More to follow.

Judd

12-09-02, 20:41

Can anyone give me a rough estimate of how much a girl from
the Platynum's escort website would cost? Are they the quality of girl one could expect when taking a trip down to BA? Or, are these girls considered the "cream of the crop" and going cost you your left nutt!

Thanks,
Judd

Fat Bastard

12-09-02, 21:58

Since I never fit in with the good old boys, I might as well say that I think Nibu is a riot....keep um coming dude and keep me posted on the swinger places.

FB

Dboy

12-10-02, 00:32

I agree with Fat Bastard, Nibu is entertaining! While reading his posts, I try to imagine what this maniac is like.

Nibu, tell us about yourself. Where are you from, are you just wandering South America, do you ever just relax and take it slow?

If I ever have a chance to meet you, I'll try to keep up, but I'm not sure that's possible.

DownBA

12-10-02, 01:28

Nibu, are you for real? You're in one of the escort capitals of the WORLD and all you can think about is picking up some trashy street hooker or travesti as long as they have HUGE, artificial cannons implanted in their chest! You're a disgrace to the Buenos Aires Mongers Association! Please do us all a favor and stick to asking 5 questions back in the Bolivia section every time you post as you're so adept at doing. And while you're at it, why don't you learn what a paragraph is.

A paragraph is the start of a new thought, and you signify that you're starting a new thought by hitting the enter key so that there's a single line space between the old thought and the new one. Doing this makes reading your drivel a little easier and as long as we have to read your drivel, why don't you make it just a little easier for us!?! DownBA

apstar

12-10-02, 02:20

Kyck_stand,
That was one funny post. If one were a casual reader of the Argentinian section of the forum, one might feel some sympathy for your undue misfortunes; but having seen you in action, I dare say that you do quite well for yourself. Keep the posts, they are fast approaching the status of Uncle Otto's report.

lotsafun

12-10-02, 16:59

Originally posted by b69
Hey guys,

Spent an hour with Alessandra from Platynum. Check www.nazarenabazan.com.ar. Body of death. Pricey from what I read in forum. Peso 400. Was worth it. More to follow.

Are those cannonballs on her chest real or artificial?
:)

Toosh

12-10-02, 17:02

b69,

Hope you are enjoying your time in BA. When I first went to BA back in July I thought about calling Alessandra up but from what I could see of her face (partially hidden) she looked older so I did not call her. From the web site you referenced I can now clearly see that she is even older than I thought. Glad I followed my gut feeling. 400 pesos in BA for someone of her age is way too much. If I was to call her (not likely) I would not pay more than 100 pesos. If she was good I would tip her some more.

B69

12-10-02, 19:39

Hey Lotsafun and Toosh,

Those cannonballs have been through the surgeon I am afraid. You could see that depending the postures.
Her age? Unsure. Around 30. You can trust me that she looks better in real life. Tanned and very fit/firm. She works in a gym. Has Indian, Turkish and Italian origins. Blue eyes on a naturally tanned body.
It was not GFE. However, just looking at her and touching her was orgasmic. Her body is a playground..., there is a lot to play with. I just love big tits, be they real or "enhanced".

Today, called Alexia from Platynum. When I got to her place, her friend opens and says she had to leave!!! Wonderful !!!

Her friend is Dana from Platynum. They share a flat which they only use to receive customers during the day.
Is that on their own or do they have a "manager"? No clue. Anyways, as Dana was very friendly and sweet, I stayed. And not bad herself. 22 with a kid. Had good sex for approx 2 hours. 80 Peso an hour which are the going rates. She only wanted to charge for an hour, but I gave her another 80 Peso.

I have seen that a lot of pics from Platynum have brick walls in the background. Maybe there is more to it. This could all be "organized".
Fellow mongers, any thoughts or experiences with that?

More to follow.

Fat Bastard

12-10-02, 22:19

Originally posted by b69
I have seen that a lot of pics from Platynum have brick walls in the background. Maybe there is more to it. This could all be "organized".
Fellow mongers, any thoughts or experiences with that?
[i]

My guess is that it's Platynum.com's offices.

And 80 pesos an hour ain't bad.

FB

DownBA

12-10-02, 22:36

Re the brick wall in the Platynum.com pics: yes, this is a brick wall inside the offices of Platynum.com, I've seen it once in person after I finished having lunch with Adriana, the webmistress of Platynum.com, who by the way is a lovely, wonderful person. DownBA

Saint

12-10-02, 22:46

Hey b69. Glad you're having fun. There is something for everyone in BA. In response to your post. I'm sure that many of the girls on Platynum have managers but that brick wall has nothing to do with it. I believe that brick wall is the office where these girls go to sign up for being on Platynum.com. I met the webmistriss my first trip and she was very nice.

My friend and I were sitting in her office and I saw some lady taking pictures of some new girls. It was funny because we were sitting there when the lady came in and asked if we minded this naked girl coming in for photos. Duh, of course not. I think that was the very same brick wall.

As far as the girls that have flats. I'd venture to guess most of them work for someone else. This past trip was the first time I went to someone else's apartment. I like the comfort of being in my own room. Well, I get to this building of one of the girls from Area-Vip.com.ar. I get to her apartment then she takes me up to yet another apartment. I ask her about all this and she explains the one apartment is a "staging area" where the girls wait for clients. Then they take their 'dates' to another apartment. She explained a lady was their manager. She had to pay half her money for the priviledge of her getting to use the apartments.

I explained I thought it was a raw deal but she didn't seem to bothered by it. I bet that many of the girls operate with managers like this.

The building was at Florida street amongst all the shops. The building was decent. The guy at the front desk was nice enough but I had to show them my driver's license or ID so I'm glad I had it with me. I'm not sure I could have gone up without it. I gave him a $1 US on my way out and he was happy.

Yet another adventure in the Saint chronicles.....

Nibu Raphael

12-11-02, 05:08

Hi To Jackson.JB and the other two guys glad to meet you guys the other night It was fun meeting you guys. I am still here until Sunday afterrnon at the Constitucion Plaza Hotel in San Telmo. San Telmo is really not that dangerous at all Nearby La Boca is. Ok Thanks Again To Jackson,James Bond and the other two guys. To Starfe you are jealous that I am In Lovely BA. I am not an Idiot but very intelligent. To Down Ba I think No I do not like TVS and also See The Bolivia posts I put in so much info in to Bolivia From cities like La Paz,Sucre,Cochabamba,Santa Cruz,Uyuni,Potosi,Villazon and other Bolivian cities. I was in Bolivia twice this year so I know What is Up. Havanaman I got your E Mails I just E Mailed you now from my Hotmail account. Yeh Like I told everyone Sunday afternoon I am out of here off to Santiago Chile directly. Havanaman What time will you arrive friday? Maybe you can come with Me To the Sex Club friday My Buddy JM Will hit the Rock Metal Clubs while I plan on Friday and saturday hitting the sex clubs,Cafes like Orleans,looking at streetwalkers and more MAn Tonight I checked out an Erotic Bar Restaraunt place on Corrientes which will have its inaguracion tommorrow. I will try to check it out tommorow I think it was on the 1600 Block of Corrientes Back with part 2 of my report soon I Got to take care of some other E Mail Affairs,,,, NIBU R.....

Nibu Raphael

12-11-02, 06:20

Hi Back for part two of my report checked out like 3 different massage places on Corrientes. The first one I checked out had a hot girl Named Sasha wow like 36 DD Or 38 Huge BB Tits they were hanging out of her black skimpy bikini. She is nown also as Anastasia under www.platynum.com.ar I do not think her photos are yet in. She just started working for Platynum which is connected to the massage place here going price was a 100 pesos for 1 hour but I would prefer too try her for 30 minutes and pay 50 pesos. Jackson and Jb your nuts would burst looking at this hot babe this Mama was Built. Lesbian shows too Man it seems like Lesbian shows go with the whole sex buisness in BA Just like a girl being a porno star must always lezbo.... out once every so often. This was on Corrientes 1250 5C...... phone 4381-1701 The two other girls were ugly the girl working the money was a complete disrespectful ***** giving me a hard time. Well Ok If you want to see her dyke out with one of the other ugly bitches it will cost you 200 pesos for an hour the love rooms were very exotic and big looking. Yeh they will use Ben Wa Balls and strap ons on each other and other Sex Toys. Man these Argentenian girls are Slutty I got to get to Bed soon it is after 4 am here I checked out some streetwhore action tonight too and two other massage places on Corrientes I will try to post more of this info tommorow if I have time. The ads for The corrientes massage parlors are in the Daily La Cronica paper,Regards,,NIBU.

MRLA

12-11-02, 14:23

Hey Guys,

One quick question? I am going to BA for the first time in Feb. I have been sending e-mails to the girls from "Platyum". I have been asking about rates, and all I get is $100us per hour and $300us all night. I hear you guys talk about 100-150 pesos per hour and 300 pesos all night. Is this for Internet girls, or just bar girls. I have e-mail "Almendra" from platyum and she is firm on $100us per hour. Little insite would help. I can't wait to get there. To much fun. Thanks for the help.

MR LA

LA Larry

12-11-02, 17:03

Nibu!

You are truly out of hand! In a good way. I am not against your posts. On the contrary--they thoroughly entertain me to the high heavens.

As D-Boy said--i too try to envison what in the bloody hell Nibu is doing down there in South America?!

In my mind's eye I have built him up into some kind of mythic hero that represents the male sex drive, the quest for gratification....Nibu is a satyr--a kind of one man "rampage" in search of sex for sale.....

His posts have an urgency to them that seems to suggest that he has given up everything, thrown it all aside so as to follow his lecherous desires to the full.

Perhaps my imagination is running wild--but I almost want to say that when he make his posts--he is doing so under grave duress. That perhaps, someone is chasing him through South America. Perhaps he is an embezzler.

Yes, that's it!!!

I postulate that Nibu is on the run--that he is being pursued! He bounces from one South American capital to next to avoid being caught. But instead of laying low, of hiding, his mania for mongering forces him to return to these forums to get information and updates on the local scenes. Nibu posts and thereby reveals his latests whereabouts to his pursuers. They take up the chase again. And thus the Sysyphean game of cat and mouse continues on ad infinitum.

Don't give up the fight Nibu! Though they chastise and chase you, the perfect big-titted ***** is right around the corner! She's in Rosario or La Plata or perhaps in La Paz or Bogota--she's out there in the jungles. I have every faith that you will find her....

B69

12-11-02, 20:59

Another day in BA!

Before I forget, in the Recoleta neighbourhood, on Ayacucho Street, between Guido and Quitana, there is a Locutorio with high speed internet access. Ask for Number 5 and you get the last one, your back against the wall. Total privacy to surf.

And my thanks to The Saint himself, Fat Bastard and Down BA for the feedback on the brick background. This gave me more impulse to pursue my "quest" today. A chica I was with today (coming up in this post, keep reading) confirmed that indeed the bricks were from the Platynum office.

By the way I agree with LA Larry on Nibu. Very lyrical and poetic description.

Here it comes. Today´s report fresh and warm. I first called Ani/Vicky from Platynum (aka Azul from Area Vip).
Agreed to time. She quotes Peso 300. Ok, not happy about it. But she seems worth it. When I get there, no one. I call on the cell and fix line, nobody. Damn!

So I call Ayelen (check www.ayelenlove.com), who appears in Platynum under Maby and Abatha. Asks me to call in 90 mins. I do. Asks me to call back in a few minutes to finish what she is doing. And then no way to reach her, neither on Cell or land line. Bummer! This has to be a conspiracy. She did quote Peso 100 (the "normal" price); but no rear action.

Now I am getting worked up! I call Alexandra from Platynum (aka Denisse or Beth from Platynum; or Nicole from sensualbaires.com).
Anyways the most lookalike pics are the one as Beth.
Peso 100 an hour, with rear entry (goody!).

Get to her place, and finally, someone is there.
And GFE !!! BBBJ + Anal. Good bod, aging, as she is 32. But sweet, cultivated, smart, chatty, etc. A very good person and great in bed. I stayed for two hours at the rate of Peso 200.

As I have read in this forum, the cops do get their numbers from the Internet, locate where they live, and blackmail chicas into paying them. So it is not just the brothels who have to pay a "fee". She told me she often changes apartments to avoid that.

She also gave me some info on rent. Clearly I pay USD 45 a day, when normal rates for an appartment in the center are Peso 50 a day.
She also confirmed what Jackson has often said. Club Blacks is for idiots.

That is it for today. More to follow.

Dcrain

12-11-02, 22:58

Just got back and I am exhausted. I enjoyed meeting everyone at the Thanksgiving dinner and the party at Jackson's apartment.

Nibu, I enjoyed meeting you Monday night. Johnguapo and I were the other 2 guys. I will post more information in the next few days.

James Bond. I don't have a good email address for you anymore. I enjoyed clubbing with you and Johnguapo on Monday night. When you contact Delores, tell her thanks for the help in negociations with Miriam and make sure that she remembers to pick up the soaps that I left for her at the Etoile hotel. I told her about the soaps on early Tuesday morning, but after a night with you, she may not be able to remember our conversation.

Nibu Raphael

12-12-02, 02:14

Hey Ya All How is it going? DC Your spainish seemed pretty good. Great you guys had fun club hopping. Last Night I met this hot short haired Big Titted blonde working like a block from the Orleans cafe in her car. I think for full service with her 70 pesos. She was 31 years old her cell phone number is 1545- 539 Her name is Marcela.... I found my kinky girl Paricia she now goes under the name of Vicky I forgot what here friends name is But her Negra friend is even more bustier then her. Vicki Aka Patricia now works out of an apartment on Corrientes 1250 4th floor number 4H. Her phone number is 4382-4802. Checked out the Wave Center too way too white ugly girls no Latin Blood at all too Damn White and no great bodies. I checked a place on Junin st. too not too far from Corrientes Man this older 40 Something lady was a *****. I checked out a kinky place with bondage girls. All the three girls had attitude problems but Big Titted Mayra was Built Maybe If I have time and Money I will book a session with her. They are located in Microcentro at Suipacha 1031 First floor Room number 9. Oh I think the Erotic restaraunt bar I checked out last night is called Lavere it is like on the 1600 block of Corrientes. A Bunch of sex shops and massage places on Corrientes. Tommorow I will look in to this massage place on Ave. Pastuer,,,,, WHEREVER THAT MAY BE???? I also will try to check out this place with a Big Breasted ex Vedette Blonde girl on Rividavia 57oo not fanatical on blonde white girls but any race of girls if the body is there then it is there,,,,,,,,, NIBU R......

Capt Dave

12-12-02, 02:14

DBoy/Todd/et al...

Hey guys! Just wanted to touch base since we got back, and I don't have either of yer emails.
Send me a note if yer in the mood!
captdave@aug.com

JamesBond69

12-12-02, 02:59

Originally posted by b69
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By the way I agree with LA Larry on Nibu. Very lyrical and poetic description.

I had the GREAT pleasure last night (and I mean this in all sincerity) to meet the legendary Nibu in person, along with fellow Mongers Johnguapo, El Jefe Jackson, DCrain and the incredible Shampoo based Delores, hooker for high IQ monger (she speaks five languages and can hold forth on determinism vrs. Free will for hours as well as giving a great sexual experience. Most of you guys can only talk about the dow jones and the latest episode of "Friends". With her you are having sex with both mind and body. In short, to me you guys most be a very bad fuck.

It's a geat HONOR to meet truly amazing people and Nibu is a true original (as if you can't tell from his posts.). I categorize him as an "alternative monger".

He's not paragraph friendly but there is more things in heaven and earth then are dreamth of in your philosophy (life), particulary the many mongers' that suffer living the "secret" double life ie: William Jefferson Clinton, Reverand Jerome Farwell and the many others in this forum, "happily" married and/or living the Enron Corporate life.

Nibu is a free sexual spirit, who lives exactly the life he wants and he seems quite content.

Anyway TODAY I'm in New York City now, reputibly the the most exciting city in the world but the reality is that it's about 30 degrees, there is snow on the sidewalk, everything is four times (at least)expensive than what I paid YESTERDAY in BA, the women have this hard American woman attitude: "I'm an independent woman, equal and even superior to you, fuck you and the 5,000 year old patriarchal system. I don't need you for sex, I don't need you for money. I don't need you even for friendship.". They are as much victims, as the double life mongers

Since I just got back I have many things to do...catch up on my bills, friends, family, loved ones, etc.... but expect numerous posts on some of my favorite subjects shortly, as I spent a month in BA, speak Spanish OK and really learned a great deal and I like sharing information and my opinions on:

1. Nibu, El Monger Alternativo - expect a detailed account , and yes LALarry, you are not that off-base, as Nibu physically looks like the classical grecian satry, without the cloven hoofs.

2. The shallow reporting on the BA scene: just posts on the tourist traps like Blacks and to a lesser extent the other recoleta tourist clubs, downtown as well. There is so much more, particularly the BROTHEL scene, that is potentially so much richer experience than the clubs and escort scene , I bet like the termos in Rio.

3. How to make a FORTUNE in Buenos Aires, buying at local prices and selling to the US. One monger made $20,000 PROFIT in a day(really!) buying super expensive $1,200 a bottle wines from Five Star hotels (where they were just in storage, since there was no longer any demand for expensive wines with the fallen foreign business) and selling it to a buyer in Japan but this guy was a pro
in his field , not for everyone (don't do this at home). He know the market. After his windfall he was in Blacks and one of the girls was let's see in the right time with the right gringo. She really cleaned up, which is what Blacks is about, like a casino hooker place, where you make a kiliing on the men who make a killing.

If you know about something - the price of an antique coin, chair, etc....and you go to BA, sell on ebay you will than in your boring corporate job and not have to lead a double dishonest life and lie about where you've been and what you've done, like the mongers that go on the tourist bullshit tango shows and musuems, to have pictures to show of BA, because they don't dare show their hooker pictures back home.

4. Apartments vrs. Hotels. Apartments are so much cheaper and you can do what you want. The Hotel Etoile has an ideal location, relatively inexpensive for what you get but the CAVEAT: To go upstairs the chica must be OVER 21 and only ONE chica at a time. All hotels have this policy in Recoleta.

5. The Local Boliches, with more info on Nuevo Estilo Boliche, my favorite so far (actually the only one I know, since the level of discovery on the BA list has so much further to go). I live in NYC and it's like reading about clubs in Times Square for tourists, when the real action is in other places, like 14th Street. The BA list is like this right now, tourist info BS from sex tourists.

6. The amateur scene. Argentines have the reverse of Xenophobia. They have Xenophilia. THEY LOVE FOREIGNERS, and particularly Americans. I'm not Brad Pitt but I was here for a month and speak Spanish. got laid for free toward the end and not after the American third date rule - first date sex, with woman who are in some cases more than my intellectual equals and far more than my physical equals. In short - vogue model material with brains and in some cases, money = soulmate material.

7. I would like to real more posts from Spanish speaking forum members. Spanish is like the easiest language in the world. Unlike English it's pronouced exactly as it is written and most people to get around with it in two months max.

No one in Argentine seems to speak the more difficult English language (even the middle and many in the upper classes) and these posts from non-Spanish speakers are really shallow and boring, like posts from the blind and deaf. If you don't speak Spanish you can't really explore like Johnguapo did with Clarin or Nibu is doing in downtown BA. It's just posts this girl fucks had a big hole and I have a big dick - so what?

Why don't you post to the BKK list, which is a list of SEX and - only sex - lovers?

Capt Dave

12-12-02, 03:00

If any of you Gentlemen (or others) met Maria Molinari at Jackson's party, and would like to see some of her paintings or read 2 of the stories she has translated, you can see them at
http://www.online-arts.net/portfolio/molinari

I'm personally impressed with her work...

JamesBond69

12-12-02, 04:55

I should just add to my post that I met over 40 mongers in my month long stay in BA and personally enjoyed the company of almost everyone.

1 % - the WEIRDOS ( who I didn't enjoy)
IMHO, A few mongers - very few, maybe one or two - less than 2% - were out and out freaks, Jeffrey Dalhmer type guys that can't relate to the other sex and even the same sex. hey. that's to be expected in sex tourism, right? It's going to attract the weirdo fringe and it did.

70% - the DOUBLE (401 K) LIFERS

Most (about 70%) were "double life" guys, trying best to enjoy their "normal" first life and also their "double monger life", it's not the type of (lie) life I personally would like to lead but (Who am I do judge?) these guys were great and I enjoyed hanging out with them. Most were over 40, so not exactly likely to pick up a "Playtum" type girl in a bar in their own town but that's the girl's problem, since they were great guys, maybe not Brad Pitt material physically but charming and interesting and ANYONE (even Anna Nicole Smith's deceased 92 year old hustand) can score in BA, as the only criteria is if you have 100-400 pesos for the services.

19% - SINGLE LIFE (I am what I am, go fuck yourself if you are against me having sex for money, you hypocritical Victorian swine who would love to be me) Mongers

About 19 % were single life guys and could care a fuck about whether people knew they were mongers, They had a rich life outside mongering and just were in it for the adventure and experience. Some of these guys were young, attractive and single and could get a girl at the local bar but some were over the age of easy amateur sex, some worked in the corporate world and had to be cool with me and other mongers but seemed to be quite secure with their lives - maybe they were investors in their companies, owners, had an unique skill, so were not afraid of losing their job because of a sex scandal. Who knows. Maybe they were even married but had an understanding with their wives (open, swinger type relationship). Again who knows but they were totally cool about what they were doing, no guilt ridden in the least, not afraid of what other people would think of them, very grounded dudes.

Anyway, 99% of you guys -double life and single life guys, doesn't matter - are my brothers as far as I'm concerned and it was a privilage go spend some time with you in the great city of Buenos Aires, which aside from the mongering side, is a world class city, which I would return to even if Mayor Rudy Giuiiani was mayor of Buennos Aires (highly unlikely) and banned sex clubs and streetwalkers, cigarrettes smoking in bars, subway turnstile jumping, public dringing and urination - all in the name of "quality life "and (in reality) his supporters in the outer boroughts (suburbs) and personal future (failed) senatorial (even presidential?) blind political ambitions .

PS
Rudy now has (Giuliani Associates) a private security company with the NYC ex police and fire chief and allegedly got a 3. 5 milliion dollar contract to clean up Mexico City. The check has been cashed but good luck with Rudy's phony consultant biz. Eventually someone will call him on his game.

Andres

12-12-02, 06:21

jamesbond69,

Some comments:

1) You can occasionally make a good deal selling antiques or wine, but not as a sustainable activity. Remember that shipping antiques and paying custom taxes in destination bite a big part of the profits. Also, I have very close friends who studied Foreign Trade in Buenos Aires and they could barely make a living from the activity.

2) If you want to know about boliches that cater to locals, you can search my reports about the boliches in Flores and elsewhere. My experience as a 13+ years monger in BA is that you seldom find "la creme de la creme" in places for locals, but you find many average girls in these places as you do in the tourist circuit. I used to go to Downtown and Recoleta from time to time, but not regularly.

3) Argentinians like European foreigners and welcome (but not necessary like) Americans. However, Argentinians are not glad to host poorer immigrants from Bolivia and Paraguay, for instance. I read a report from Clarin last week that mentioned that the anger from Argentinians to Americans grew 37% last year.

Many of the mongers stick around Recoleta (a tourist, upper-class environment), where people are attentive and graceful with visitors. But if you go only 10-15 km from there you will see the difference. For instance, remember a posting from a bunch of mongers who went to Barrio Coreano. They felt the sneers in their necks.

4) I don't think that the Argentine upper class people don't speak English. Those who went to elite schools had extensive English language training.

Andres

JamesBond69

12-12-02, 07:00

Andres,

I really enjoy reading your posts, since you are Agentine and know the situation better than anyone in the forum but I respectively have to take issue with you one this post.

Some comments:

>1) You can occasionally make a good deal selling antiques or wine, but not as a sustainable activity. Remember that shipping antiques and paying custom taxes in destination bite a big part of the profits. Also, I have very close friends who studied Foreign Trade in Buenos Aires and they could barely make a living from the activity.

Argentine has no export industry, and this is in part of the root of the problem. Of course with 1-1 pesos for dollars everything was overprice, particularly with the rising value of the dollar and the competition after the Brazilian devaluation. For example Quilana is a fine beer but where except in Argentina is it sold, while the US market has beers from Brazil, Mexico, Europe (very expensive), Kirin (Japan), Fosters (Austraila) etc. The export industry in Argentina was the fifth lowest in the world, just above Haiti, Burunda and other third world country. And this is a country that in the 1920's was richer than Canada and producers enough food to feed a country with 280 million as the USA. Yet children are starving in Tuchaman. Argentina is a mismanaged enigma.

Buenos Aires is now a fire sale economy and items such as antiques can be had for far less than they are sold on EBAY. All you have to do is check out for example how much a Gaucho sword or NAZI silverware was sold on Ebay, then go to San Telmo and see how much it cost. I did. Of course there are shipping and duty costs but these items are selling in the shops and open air market for a fraction of what they going in an Ebay auction.

>2) If you want to know about boliches that cater to locals, you can search my reports about the boliches in Flores and elsewhere. My experience as a 13+ years monger in BA is that you seldom find "la creme de la creme" in places for locals, but you find many average girls in these places as you do in the tourist circuit. I used to go to Downtown and Recoleta from time to time, but not regularly.

One night I went out with Jose, an Argentine monger, to only local places. It's true that in general the best chicas go to Recoleta, as that's where the money is but there were some decent girls in these dives. And Johnguapo's experience with 40 pesos Clarin girls was very positive. Everyone in Argentine, from the average guy to the riches, has sex for sale and the quality can be the same as at the recoleta places but you have to work at it, that's for sure. I like the "girl next door" chica, and not all these girls have worked their way into the tourist places.

>3) Argentinians like European foreigners and welcome (but not necessary like) Americans. However, Argentinians are not glad to host poorer immigrants from Bolivia and Paraguay, for instance. I read a report from Clarin last week that mentioned that the anger from Argentinians to Americans grew 37% last year.

Like poor illegal Mexicans in Texas, Argentines certainly don't like the immigrants from Boliivia and Paraguay or even the internal immigrants to BA from the North, like Tuchaman. And they associate the American foreign and economic policy with the evil superpower, as everywhere on earth. And the men don't like the America sex tourists, because they fuck with the prices but in general the population likes Americans and looks at them differently individual, just as in American at the height of the cold war Americans didn't have problems with Russians individual but with the communist system. As for the Chicas they all knew what a girl cost in the states and what they are asking, so see a good customer in the gringo, particularly if they don't know a word of Spanish.

>Many of the mongers stick around Recoleta (a tourist, upper-class environment), where people are attentive and graceful with visitors. But if you go only 10-15 km from there you will see the difference. For instance, remember a posting from a bunch of mongers who went to Barrio Coreano. They felt the sneers in their necks.

>4) I don't think that the Argentine upper class people don't speak English. Those who went to elite schools had extensive English language training.

The real upper class speak English yes, just as in America. I'm middle class but went to Yale University, an upper class university and everyone spoke at least one foreign language. The first time I was in Argentina I stayed as a guest of the Tounquist family, who were like Rockerfellers and owned a bank and met only polo players, etc, all of whom went to the American Lincoln School or the even more post British St. George School and some spoke English better then me.

But when you go down a notch in society, to the upper middle or middle class they may have studied English but they don't have much opportunity to practice. And when you get into the clubs....the middle and lower class...well only one chica spoke any English on a conversational level.

ezy

12-12-02, 09:04

jamesbond69.

After reading your critique of Argentina, I would add a category to your list of weirdos, double lifers, single lifers, and Nibu (one-of-a-kind) mongers: CAPY's ....condescending arrogant prick Yalies.

Like you I speak passable Spanish and have been to some of the outer barrios such as Flores, but unlike you I do not presume to judge as inferior beings those who do not speak Spanish or who do not wish to venture beyond the confines of Recoleta.

As for the nature of the posts here, uh, have you read the name of this forum? At the risk of stating the obvious....wouldn't a post about the looks and services provided by chicas from different boliches be more appropriate on a WORLD SEX GUIDE forum than, say, a post about the price of Nazi memorabilia?

I enjoy reading posts about a variety of things, including antiques. I also enjoy reading about guys sexual experiences, whether in Belgrano or Recoleta.

What I do not enjoy are posts that place mongers in neat little pigeon holes and presume to lecture them about how they choose to live their lives while in BA.....especially from one who has spent exactly one month in BA residing in the heart of Recoleta....

I am glad you had a good time in myfavorite city on earth but, jeez, look again at the tone of your post.....

JamesBond69

12-12-02, 12:00

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ezy
[i]jamesbond69.

>After reading your critique of Argentina, I would add a category to your list of weirdos, double lifers, single lifers, and Nibu (one-of-a-kind) mongers: CAPY's ....condescending arrogant prick Yalies.

I have never attacked anyone personally on this list as you have just done and am reluctant to start now. By attacking someone you do create a situation where one has to defend himself, although I will not attack you as part of my defense and wish you had sent me private email to respond. That out of the way, here is my response. ( know this post is boring, worthless to the point that it should be deleted but what can I do?)

>Like you I speak passable Spanish and have been to some of the outer barrios >such as Flores, but unlike you I do not presume to judge as inferior beings those who do not speak Spanish or who do not wish to venture beyond the confines of Recoleta.

I think it's great that you speak passable Spanish and go to the outer barrios. I don't know where you got the idea that I believe someone is inferior that doesn't speak Spanish or does not go beyond Recoleta. That's ridiculous. I merely state that the forum is:
1. about information and a complete picture of the monger scene in BA, and i find interesting but lacking all aspects, including outside Recoleta
2. That a knowledge of Spanish (or even better, being a native) certainly can enhance the fact finding mission of the monger and also the sexual one. I may be wrong about the latter part but that's my opinion. I'm sure you don't deliberate not speak Spanish in Argentina and studied it, so why critic me for bring this up?

>As for the nature of the posts here, uh, have you read the name of this forum? At the risk of stating the obvious....wouldn't a post about the looks and services provided by chicas from different boliches be more appropriate on a WORLD SEX GUIDE forum than, say, a post about the price of Nazi memorabilia?

I post all the time about chicas and different places but also many of us are thinking of moving to BA and supporting ourselves while there or paying for our trip somehow, so I merely suggested a few ideas. There was a prior post (an informative one IMHO) about buying jewelry in BA and selling them in the states at a profit but you didn't post against this, so I guess your post is concerned about the nature of the antiques - Nazi memorabilia. I mention this type of item for sale only since it is rare and available in Argentina more than other places, not because I am in anyway a Nazi. In fact if you know anything about my background I'm about as anti-Nazi as possible but don't see anything wrong about collecting things, unless it supports causes I am opposed to, and I doubt the money from the memorabilia goes to actual Nazi or even Nazi supporters. It's simply collectibles, like the Gaucho antique I also mentioned, that I doubt are sold by actual gauchos.

>I enjoy reading posts about a variety of things, including antiques. I also enjoy reading about guys sexual experiences, whether in Belgrano or Recoleta.

So do I and post about my experiences, in Recoleta, Belgrano and in other places. Where do you get the idea I don't welcome hearing from the mainstream places? I only point out that there are other places I would like to hear about as well.

>What I do not enjoy are posts that place mongers in neat little pigeon holes and presume to lecture them about how they choose to live their lives while in BA.....especially from one who has spent exactly one month in BA residing in the heart of Recoleta....

I didn't lecture anyone, so why are you lecturing me? I may bring up some categories and perhaps I am wrong or right, since someone posted some negative things about Nibu, and since I've met him and enjoy his posts, I was only trying to explain where I consider him in the scheme of mongering. Sorry if I hit some of your wrong buttons.

>I am glad you had a good time in myfavorite city on earth but, jeez, look again at the tone of your post.....

Look at the tone of your post. You critc me personally for:
1. Where I went to school, something I mentioned in response to a post about the Argentine upper classes.
2. Imply indirectly that I am somehow a supporter of Nazi?

Except for this post most of your posting contains interesting information. I rather hear more about your experience in Flores and what type of chicas you met there than a personal attack, wouldn't you?

Andres

12-12-02, 14:01

jamesbond69:

1) Argentina has export industry: Oil, seamless pipes, sunflawer oil (1st producer in the World), lemons (1st supplier to Coca Cola), etc.

I agree that Argentina could have a much bigger export sector, but some realities hinder this endeavor:

- The US subsidizes the agricultural-livestock production of farmers, specially in the Midwest, and Europeans do the same. Hence, it is very difficult to export agricultural commodities.

- Argentina belongs to the Mercosur trading block, and Brazil is the main commercial partner. As such, Brazil exerts good and bad influences. Good because it buys 40% of Argentine exports, but bad because industrial manufacturing companies choose a single location for their offices and facilities in the Mercosur area, and this location is Sao Paulo. This means that companies like Renault, GM, Fiat, etc, are gearing towards closing the facilities in Argentina and open or adapt the Brazilian ones for the whole Mercosur market.

- There are some satellite exports that Argentina could pursue, but these are not significant, like wines. Many Argentine friends living in Boston try to sell Argentine wines in New England, only to find out that volumes traded are too low to be considered a "driving export" industry.

2) Quilmes (I guess you refer to that beer) has been considered by many visitors as very diluted, thus not suitable for some markets (for instance, Brazil). After living a couple of years in Boston, I think that trying to sell Argentine beer in Boston is like trying to sell American beef in Buenos Aires: Too high local quality to be able to compete. Brazilian beers (Brahma, Antarctica, etc) don't sell in America either because of the same reason.

3) Children were starving in Tucuman in 1920 too. It just got current media attention. Pagina 12 newspaper showed 2 weeks ago a front page with pictures of Tucuman children starving in 2002 and in 1980, and Argentina didn't enter the aftermath by 1980.

4) Buying or selling nazi memorabilia is a crime in Argentine laws, called "Apologia del Delito" ("Cult of crime" could be a good translation). Nobody can make sustainable sales volumes without being caught.

Andres

JamesBond69

12-12-02, 15:19

Andres,

You are as informative as ever in your response but I did read in several different journals and papers that in the last years of the one to one the export industry in Argentina was the fifth lowest in the world, just above Haiti, Burundi and two other countries that I can't recall. Is this true?

Also, on another subject, more on target for the WSF: the brothel scene in BA, which I have some questions on. On this list I've read only of two brothels by address - the French Street and Larrea Street Brothel, and visited both of them. You can find the exact address in this forum with the forum search function.

I really liked Larrea - nice rooms, assortment of chicas, reasonable prices amusing madame - and French Street is OK but not as good (will post late in detail about my experiences in both brothels) but there must be better places. I didn't have time to explore this part of the sex scene in BA, focusing more on the escort and club scene but I imagine it must be vast and varied, probably far more so than even the clubs.

I'm looking for a brothel that fits this description. Perhaps you or someone else in this forum knows of one and can provide the address and some comments.

1. Open day and most (all) of the night

2. Upscale facility, possibly with some heath club facilities like a sauna and/or swimming pool, along the lines of the termos in Rio or the Z club, described on the San Salvador site has having a full size swimming pools full of nude chicas.

3. Great assortment of chicas (define this as you will but I define it as Black level) but are available to mingle and have drinks with prior to making a selection (like in a club). The two brothels I visited has the line-up, which I don't like, and only eight chicas max. I'm looking for a brothel with a minimun of 20 to chose from.

4. Option to take out to your hotel, for an exit fee (this option is not a deal breaker but it would be great if possible.)

Does something like this exist in BA? It must but I couldn't find it.

PS
I've re-read my previous posts and I admit they are a bit cranky and even provocative in tone. Mark this down to suffering post BA withdrawal pains and also a natural reaction to some of the personal attacks that have appeared on the list lately. I will try to be a bit more on target factual in the future. I really love this forum and the guys I've met in BA. Everyone who posts determines to some extent the overall direction of the list. Some mongers use it as a personal diary, some a rating service, some exchange information or query...some provide historical and politial content to the experience....all of this is good and I have to admit I have my agenda also....I want to find out EVERYTHING about the monger scene in BA and also, since I plan to live down there, how to support my mongering. That's it, nothing more.

JamesBond69

12-12-02, 15:35

Hey,

I just checked out Black's Website
http://www.blackbuenosaires.com

It's quite interesting (intentionally deceiving),when you've been there and know what the place is really all about stating: "the most friendly atmosphere and more than good company."

Well who can argue with the good company part, right?

Does anyone have any URL's for other clubs and/or Boliche in BA? I'm curious to see how they present themselves.

Dcrain

12-12-02, 16:31

Just a quick note to second what James Bond said about Delores. She is very intelligent with a great sense of humor. She also helped me in negotiating the services for a girl from Shampoo. Delores also works there. Delores is for those interested in an intelligent, attractive, mature woman with a great sense of humor.

Andres

12-12-02, 17:48

jamesbond69:

1) Top Secret club (Artigas St and JB Justo Av) has a website with pictures. It used to be a good club, but not nowadays (at least from 2000 on). I guess I saw the URL at Rubro 59 of Clasificados section of www.clarin.com, at www.ambitoweb.com or at www.buscasexo.com.ar, but I don't remember exactly.

2) Although the Argentine trade balance was negative from 1993 to 2001, the exports amounted U$S 15-20B and imports U$S 20-25B. I guess that these exports were bigger than those of most African countries, so being the fifth worst is hard to imagine.

3) 7 years ago, there was a dozen of places as those you are looking for, but not anymore. Since police busted several "saunas" in 1996, saunas owners kept away from investing in nice facilities. Also, the crisis that started in 1998 decreased the number of patrons for such places.

Currently, there are some places that fit partially your description:

- Yamila (Avellaneda): 20+ girls (many really beautiful) and take out option, but not upscale facilities neither open on day.

- La Nuit (Flores): 30+ girls and take out option, but girls not very pretty, not upscale facilities neither open on day.

- Uruguay St 188 (Downtown): open on day, but not upscale facilities, few girls (hit or miss) and perhaps no take out option. You have to ring the bell and a man may search for weapons before coming in.

There was a place 3 years ago that fitted your description (pool included) in Venezuela St and Boedo Av (Boedo Quarter), called Aloha. It may have reopened. There was also another called Partenon in the same block, and perhaps it reopened too.

Buenos Aires used to be a city of astoundingly expensive real estate prices, so no place with big pools could have afforded the high rental prices. That's why Aloha and Partenon were located away from downtown.

Hope this helps,

Andres

Saint

12-12-02, 20:27

Said it before and I'll say it again. We can all agree to disagree with one another. Not everyone is going to agree with one another. It still amazes me that this board is as civil as it is. Says something about the class act guys that go down to Buenos Aires. I've been a part of private and public boards for almost 5 years now and this section is among the best as far as flame wars and the like.

Most of what these guys is saying about Black's is true but I still think those of you that have never been there HAVE to go there just to check it out. Have your one drink and watch the action if nothing else. But make NO mistake. The girls there definitely are more expensive. Especially if you speak zero spanish.

However, many good reputable guys will tell you that there is a fun time to be had there. Especially guys that go to Buenos Aires over and over and over. They start to recognize your face and treat you different than the average client that goes in there. I'm not sure of the 'handles' of all you guys I met but some of you can attest to the fact that Black's is a good time. I went there with two dudes one night and after walking in I don't remember seeing them again. Some girl that recognized me from a previous trip came up to me and I started talking to her.

Also, guys like SuperJeff (who also goes down to BA frequently) owned the place! He had his digital camera. Was taking pictures of the waitresses, the dancers, the girls. I was surprised! Even the waitresses were asking to be in the photos! He brought a big CD case and was handing CD's to the DJ to play. He was dancing with the girls on the dance floor. Remember, life is what you make of it. So is almost everything else in life. If you're determined that you're not going to have fun at places like Black's then you won't.

I think Jackson and several others hate Black's and that is fine but trust me. There is fun to be had there. Everyone's taste is different. So if one guy is raving about some club that he loved. Keep in mind you mind find it a dump with all trashy girls that you wouuldn't sleep with if they paid you. Everything is relative in life.

The countdown begins. T-minus 8 days and counting and I'm back in BA. Life is good.

BA_Robert

12-12-02, 21:40

jamesbond,

hello my friend. Suffering from post BA depression. Welcome to the club. Enjoyed your posts and keep on posting about alternatives ways of making a living in BA.

You wrote that apparment is much cheaper than the hotels. Iam curious. How much cheaper. What about the standard of these appartments? Better, the same or worse?

Your not entirely right about the argentine export. The export was pretty weak and for most of the 1990s they had a negative trade balance (i.e. imports bigger than exports). But, infact the argentine export wasn't that much worse than the U.S export at the time. Nowdays the argentine export sector (9-10 percent of the GNP) is actually about the same size as the U.S (10-11 percen of the GNP). The argentine problems has other roots. Losy monetary policy and hyper inflation combined with a recession and non-adjusted fiscal policy (high goverment expenditures during the recession that made the deficit grow).

Schampoo also has a website. www.newshampoo.com.ar

BA_ROBERT

B69

12-12-02, 21:50

Guys, we all have our idiosyncratic views on life and politics et al.

Remember what unites us in this forum..., our love of women !!!
And our conviction that great sex is the main reason to live and enjoy life (and then each of us with our personal tastes and our little preferences, be they good food, wine, travels, etc.)
Man is sexually poligamous and though he may have a great girl next to him who loves him, and so forth, he will still lust after the other women around him. That´s the truth. Unfortunately we live in societies based on repression of life energies (libido).

In any case, here we go, another day in BA, with new adventures.

Today went better than yesterday. Did not need to run around BA in search of chicas who are simply not there. Called Dina from Platynum (aka Perla from www.altosex.com). Agreed on Peso 150 an hour, anal and massage included.

Got to the apartment she rents and she was there !!!

Great bod. Really !!! (ex dance student). Very friendly and chatty, funny, cultivated, very tanned (has a Russian and Turkish mix in her). Very good sex. Quick massage prior. Covered BJ though. Never got to the anal part, as I could not hold it that long (though we were at it for quite a while reviewing the Kama Sutra in depth.) You can easily see that she takes good care of herself in all ways.

Age? Approx 26 I would say.
Stayed for nearly two hours, and she only wanted me to pay for one hour. But I gave her an extra Peso 100.
Seriously thinking of repeating.

To quote The Saint, "Life is good".

By the way, if anyone wants to hook up to pay visits to some clubs (Madaho et al., or the Cielo brothel), drop me a line at b69pat@hotmail.com. I leave on Sunday and still have not explored these places.

staticicon

12-12-02, 23:19

Hey Guys!

Has anyone of your tried AGOSTINA from Platynum??

JamesBond69

12-12-02, 23:43

Originally posted by BA_ROBERT
jamesbond,

You wrote that apparment is much cheaper than the hotels. Iam curious. How much cheaper. What about the standard of these appartments? Better, the same or worse?

This post really belongs in the Hotel section so I will respond here but copy also to the hotel section.

I stayed in the Diplomatic Suite at the Etoile, a sensational room, underpriced for what you get at the Mayri discount of about $66/day or about $85, if you factor in my average mini-bar bill (thanks to Delores, who loves to raid it upon entrance) and telephone bill, high because I used it to connect to the internet on dialup at almost a peso a minute. As I mentioned before the Etoile has a policy of no chicas under 21 and no twosomes, as you have paid for double occupany, not triple occupancy.

The big perk of the Diplomatic Suite is the oversized jacuzzi, which BA_Robert knows well, and the Health Club on the roof, which has a heated pool, a full exercise room and aerobic classes with model level amatuer chicas. Also the breakfasts that end at 11am are great (the breakfast opens at 7am, about when I go to sleep.) And the staff is GREAT. You can leave your laptop, digital cameras, even money on the bureau and nothing will be taken.

My total bill for the hotel for the month was a whopping $2,500, high but around the same for my relatively modest one bedroom apartment in Manhattan.

Now Johnguapo rented a two bedroom modestly furnished apartment with cable tv, balcony, telephone, kitchen, living room, fairly good security, since the room locked from inside and the entrance had an intercom. The apartment faced the back of the Etoile, that is, it was on the same block. Space wise my suite at the Etoile was probably a third bigger.

His total bill, $1,000 a month plus telephone and whatever he bought to stock his for his kitchen.

Was the room and the perks better at the Etoile? Certainly the Etoile was better.

Would I rent an apartment when I return to BA. Probably I would.

PS
Mayri tells me that the rates at the Etoile will come up in March.

Saint

12-13-02, 00:40

BA Robert,

Check out the link in the hotel section I posted. It will give you an idea of what you can get for less than 1/2 the cost of renting a place like Etoile for a month. $2,500 US is too much for any place in Buenos Aires in my opinion.

Fat Bastard

12-13-02, 00:53

b69 or Nibu,

Guys,

I will be in Bs As Saturday night....anybody up for a run on the town? Would love to meet some fellow BA mongers.

b69...would like to check out some of the places you mentioned.

Nibu...I think I just want to lay eyes on you and see what you're all about. Your posts are a riot!

Concerning Delores at Shampoo...did someone mention she is mature? Any guesses on her age? Sorry I missed the stated info on her....I read that she works at Shampoo....as a pro or works to run the place? I'm interested if anybody has info.

Thanks

FB

JamesBond69

12-13-02, 02:48

Originally posted by Fat Bastard

Concerning Delores at Shampoo...did someone mention she is mature? Any guesses on her age? Sorry I missed the stated info on her....I read that she works at Shampoo....as a pro or works to run the place? I'm interested if anybody has info.
Thanks
FB

I'm an expert on Delores and I must warn you in advance that Delores is very smart and internet savy, so I wouldn't be surprised if she is on this forum.

That said I can't say much except that she works at Shampoo from time to time, not full time, which is one of the interesting things about Shampoo and sets it apart from most other clubs...the girls can work when they want. They are like free lancers, so you can get some different "alternative" types of chicas, like Delores. She also works or worked from time to time as an escort but for an agency that got a 50% cut, so I think she stopped. And she likes to frequent El Crocodile after 4pm and pull out the few foreigners.

Since she is highly intelligent (I dare say possibly has a genius IQ, like she knows everything about everything), speaks several languages fluently, including French and English and is charming as hell, she sometimes picks up unsuspecting foreigners in internet cafes and restaurants.

And she works on references. I don't know exactly all the ways she works but she manages to get enough clients a week to support her mother, brother and put aside for various educational activities and perhaps start a business renting out apartments or whatever can get her through the economic crisis.

As for her age, listed as mature by DCRAIN I think she's around 26-28. She's definitely attractive but she would be the first to admit she's not a Vogue covergirl. What DCRAIN meant about Delores as being mature is not a euphimisim for being old but that she is really wise, a woman rather than a girl. Most of the chicas are really dumb, so she's an interesting change from the usual screw them and send them home right away scenario before they start to bore you. You can hang out with her for years without getting bored, although if she gets bored she will bail on you after getting paid for her services.

To sum up, Delores is not for everyone. She's high energy, full of wit and information, useless and otherwise. There is a saying "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink". This was updated by Dorothy Parker to say
"You can lead a ***** to culture but you can't make her think." Delores is a thinking man's hooker. If she wasn't in Argentina during this time of crisis she would probably have several PHD's and teach philosophy or economics (her father is an economist) at a leading University.

Hey Delores I hope you don't read this...but then again maybe I hope you do. Thanks for the good times in BA.

PS
When Bandy and BA_Robert, two excellent mongers, first met Delores they were really distrustful of her and warned me not to see her. She speaks really fast and in spurts and thought she was a drug addict or something. I went back to my hotel room and couldn't find my Apple IPod and was sure she ripped me off..

They made me paranoid and they were wrong. Delores is someone I trust completely. Don't be put off my her eccentric behavior. She's a bit high maintence at times but people like this are really worth cultivating, for sex (she's real good), friendship, just sheer wacky fun, all the great things in life.

JamesBond69

12-13-02, 03:03

Originally posted by saint
BA Robert,

Check out the link in the hotel section I posted. It will give you an idea of what you can get for less than 1/2 the cost of renting a place like Etoile for a month. $2,500 US is too much for any place in Buenos Aires in my opinion.

I agree. I could have rented a very decent apartment for $1,000/month and used the other $1,500 on chicas, which translates to about 15 black girls at $350 pesos at the top price, 30 internet or Madahos/Hook girls at $150 pesos or 60 50 peso Clarin girls.

Live and learn. This is a mistake I will not make again although I must say I really loved the Etoile....in some ways it was almost worth 60 hours of clarin girls:-)

apstar

12-13-02, 03:09

Just want to add my 2 cents to the hotel v. apartment debate,
During my recnt trip in Nov. (Thanksgiving), I also stayed at Etoile in the diplomatic suite; for the price that I payed (approximately 65 dollars), you get a huge room with the Jacuzzi. And let me tell you, my man, jacuzzi and hot chicks is a great combination. You turn on the jacuzzi, you may even splash on some bubble bath solution, you and your chica lathering each other in the jacuzzi.....simply priceless.
I think for a short term stay in BA, Eotile is entirely a good option. The staff is friendly and non-judgemental (you don't get the dirty look from the reception desk when you try to sign in a chica, for those of you that are on the bashful side). The location is great. That being said, the next time I go to Buenos Aires, I would definitely look for an apartment after seeing Jackson's apartment and pictures of Saint's apartment; you can definitely find a very upscale place for much less than what you will pay in hotels. In addition, it allows you much more freedom than afforded by the hotels. The apartment option has worked for me like a charm in Rio; I am sure it will work quite well in BA as well.

Andres

12-13-02, 03:40

jamesbond69:

I think that you mean "Dolores". There is no such name as "Delores" in Spanish.

Andres

JamesBond69

12-13-02, 04:33

Final Post:

In case it's not obvious I'm coming down from the BA high to the NYC low, so all this posting is my therapy for the day, a poor BA monger suffering intense withdrawal symptoms. Pray for my libido.

All (and more) then you need to know about BLACKS:

It has a website, www.blackbuenosaires.com, which is as misleading as a drug dealer site selling Sarah Lee cupcakes.

The entrance price is 20 pesos and includes one cheap drink like a beer but if you come often they know you will buy a drink and wave the charge.

You will have no problem finding it. Just walk fifteen feet in Recoleta and one of the great legions of underemployed in a suit and tie will take your there, claiming that he will provide free entrance or something, when actually all he does is drop you off at the cashier, who asks for the entrance fee.

The best nights are the worst nights at the other clubs, Saturday and Sunday. Blacks is run like a real business, and all the girls are required to show up six nights a week, so you have the same selection on a really busy night like Thursday on the weekend and less monger competition. If a girl is one minute late she is fined.

The best time to come is early, around 11pm, before the mongers show up.

On any given night there are 25-40 girls, and there is something for everyone. The ratio on weekends is five chicas per monger. On Tuesday at 2am (prime time) it's more like one to one and these other mongers are serious, not looky lookies

20% of the girls are Brazilian and about 2% from Paraguay. There is something for everyone - porno type girls, girl next door, black girls, even a older woman. In my opinion all are girls you would like to go home with and some you would die to go out with. The problem for me is deciding who to leave with.

Most of the mongers are foreigners, including executives and businessmen on expense accounts staying at the Alvear Hotel, Hilton, Sheraton, etc. They are not impressed with the Diplomatic Suite at the Etoile, only the money.

The girls are not impressed by anything but money. If you are young, so what. Build well, who cares. Old, ugly and fat but have the green you are King for an Hour but don't expect GFE. You are paying for beauty.

The asking price is $200 but most girls will settle for $100US. Sometimes if it is late and the night is slow you can get lucky and leave for the price of a top girl at Madahos - 150-200 pesos. The girls will only go out for 1 1/2 hours for that rate. Your drink is 20 pesos, the chicas drink is 50 pesos and you have to buy two drinks to take out a chica. Sometimes they will try to hit you up for 60 pesos a chica drink but this only happened once. If you want to take them out for longer I thnk you have to buy two additional drinks but I don't know for sure, as I only took one girl out for 1 1/2 hour for 300 pesos, a bargain the girl said, since it was late.

The girls will never approach you. It's company policy.

It is extremely competitive to get a job at Blacks, as the money can be really good. A top girl like Jovana can go out as many as four times a night. That means that she can earn $400US a night minimun. These top girls are hard to find, since as soon as they come back some monger moves in and takes them out again. You have about 15 to 30 minutes to get a top girl.

The average black girl goes out once or twice a night max. Some girls only go out three nights a week. All Black girls live on the occasional customer that may show up once a month and spend thousands of dollars for an all nighter at the Alvear. That can equal ten days of going home alone or with only one customer a night.

Blacks is 12 years old and a BA institution. It's a gold mine for the owner, an Argentine, who owns the building among many other things.

Two years ago all the Black girls were required to wear evening goans and speak English. Now the money is not so good, so most dress like college girls in blue jeans and few, if any, speak English.

Most of the girls live together a few blocks away in an all women hotel. Few do anything but work in the sex industry.

The girls swear that they don't have sex with the owner to get their job. It's all totally professional.

Sometimes - once a month maybe - they have special nights where the girls dress up in evening goans and spend hours fixing up their hair and make-up. On nights like this it looks like you just landed in a high roller suite at Vegas for a private party for Prince Faisel of Saudia Arabia and his entourage, with high class call girls flown in from all over the world. It absolute monger paradise.

The girls don't make any money on the drinks, only going out with the guys. Some girls will work days without going out and make zip. The top girls are leaving on a daily basis, for Chile, Mexico, places where they can make even more money but there are always more coming in, some working there way up from lesser clubs, some coming from other countries.

You can find even more beautiful girls at other clubs, brothels and internet services, at more than half the price but you have to work at it. At Blacks it's all there, for a price if you are willing to pay it. Call it the Tiffany of sex in BA. Blacks is what it is.

I can go on and on..I spent lots of time chatting with the chicas and finally took one back - the top earner who averages four guys a night - Jovana....but time to stop posting and re-enter my NYC routine. It's not like the girls in NYC are less attractive then in BA. The girls here can be even more attractive. The problem is that they are so much more wary of mongers types like me:-)

kyck_stand

12-13-02, 15:32

apstar,

How's it going? Just wanted to comment on Etoile. We had a compadre stay there in September and they have a guest policy that forbids more than one lady going up to your room. Some of the other posters can probably confirm this.

For you guys that like to do the Doublemint action, this sucks. Just to warn you.

Kick Stand

B69

12-13-02, 17:39

Hey staticicon,
I have not been with Agostina from Platynum, but did think about it. Probably will not have enough time. I was able to exchange some mails with her, but she did not want to mention any price in them. She definitely looks good and seems smart. However, she might be a barracuda, possibly. Hard to tell. Good luck.

Fat Bastard,
I am in BA until Sunday afternoon, so we can definitely hook up on Saturday night. Send me a mail at b69pat@hotmail.com.

By the way, the place I stay at is definitely Chica friendly. It is the Apart Hotel Recoleta, which I mentioned in previous posts.

All right, yesterday night. Hooked up with Johnguapo. And he gave me the James Bond tour, summarized version.

We went to Playwomen. It was OK, very dark, crowded, silly shows on stage. And a few pretty good looking chicas.

Went to Sodoma around the corner. 90% guys. Dark. Smoky. Small and cramped. Were a couple of gems though.

Went to Madahos. WOW! WOW! WOW! Impressive. Amazing quantity of hot women. Excellent. As Oscar Wilde said, I can resist everything except temptation.

I did resist though, luckily, as we went to Nuevo Estilo Boliche. Were the only foreigners there, as expected. It is like a middle-class argentine guys place. Lots of 20 year olds. Again, lots of great looking girls. Less impacting than Madahos, probably because they don´t dress as well or use make-up. But what a sight, and a real lesbian show on stage.
Anyways, met Lorena, who remembers James Bond very well (sorry JB). Talked to her for a while.

Then suddenly an angel appeared. 19 year old. Short, perky, funny, sweet, really nice, body of a 14 year old, a real SIN made flesh. Her name is Leila. I believe another monger has had a bite at her.

Could not resist anymore and the big bad wolf that I am devoured little red riding hood (and not the grand ma).

Life is indeed good. I am still here and I can already imagine the post-traumatic syndrome I will have on Monday.

Stay tuned.

lotsafun

12-13-02, 19:43

[QUOTE]Originally posted by b69
[i]
Today went better than yesterday. Did not need to run around BA in search of chicas who are simply not there. Called Dina from Platynum (aka Perla from www.altosex.com). Agreed on Peso 150 an hour, anal and massage included.

Got to the apartment she rents and she was there !!!

Great bod. Really !!! (ex dance student). Very friendly and chatty, funny, cultivated, very tanned (has a Russian and Turkish mix in her).
[End of Quote]

Are those magnificent cannon balls in her photo real? Can you tell, I'm a cannon ball fan.
:)

Dancesw/Chicas

12-13-02, 21:09

Hello Gentleman,

Allow me to introduce myself, my name is "dancesw/chicas" and I am also, like all of you, a BA lover. Each time that I land at the Ezeiza and breath the Argentine air, the "high" is such that just a few hour later my weapon of mass destruction had seen action several times.

Anyway, some time ago someone wrote about a gorgeous dancer at Shampoo. Recently the website was posted www.newshampoo.com.ar) and it show pictures of some of the dancers, I remember I felt the same way about this dancer a few months back. She is so beautiful!! Now my memory of her is not that good. I remember that I asked a waitress and found out her name (Paola or Paula) I tried to talk to her when she sprinted backstage but I only could exchange a few words. I wanted to dine and wine her and the whole thing. Some girl later told me that she is married and with a kid. The newly posted website shows her (the first dancer wearing black and white, blond, huge black boots). I am really curious to know if anyone had better luck than me with this dancer. After all, let's say she makes 1000 pesos a month dancing all night. She's got to be tempted...

Does anybody have a comment regarding my post. I will try to make my future posting as funny as some of you guys.

dancesw/chicas

B69

12-13-02, 23:32

Hey Lotsafun,

I too am a fan of cannonballs. So I sympathize.
No, the ones you are asking about have also been enhanced bionically. But they are great.

If you are into natural ones, I suggest Caro at www.placeresvip.com, Anita at Platynum, or Analya at www.sexoeste.com.ar. (As you can see I did my homework). I have not eaten any of these water melons yet (and probably won´t have the time), but all look to be proceeding from Mother Nature.

More to follow, as tonight another raid will take place on the clubs.

JamesBond69

12-13-02, 23:36

Originally posted by dancesw/chicas
Hello Gentleman,
I am really curious to know if anyone had better luck than me with this dancer. After all, let's say she makes 1000 pesos a month dancing all night. She's got to be tempted...

As far as I know the dancers at Shampoo and most of the other clubs are off-limits. I have heard that some dancers at Madahos - in my opinion better than the Shampoo dancers - will leave with you after their last performance for 400 pesos.

If you are interested in a dancer you should contact a waiter and ask which dancers (waitresses?) might be interested in working after hours. If one is availabile they will let you know.

Be aware that almost all the dancers have fake boobs; if that's not a problem go for it!

Dcrain

12-13-02, 23:56

James Bond is correct. I didn't mean Dolores is old, just mature in personality. I don't see well at night, so my judgment in that regard is questionable.

Pharmacy - Farmacia Guido Plaza located at Guido 1602. I looked into the generic equivalent of Viagra. It was a 10 pack for 97 pesos, without a prescription. I didn't ask about Viagra. I don't know if the lack of prescription was the policy of the pharmacy or the pharmacist. The man I dealt with was blond (quite rare in BA), spoke English (studied in the US 11 years ago) and looked like the actor Chris in the movie There's Something About Mary.

Money Exchange - The Paris Cambio on Avenida Santa Fe had the best exchange rate of any place in town. Service was quick by BA standards. It is located about 1 & 1/2 blocks from the American Express office. From November 21-December 10 my exchange rates were 3.53-3.58. I never got the exact street address but someone has posted the AMEX address before. Avenida Santa Fe is on the other side of a small park that separates the building where the AMEX office is located from Avenida Santa Fe. I beleive that the cambios close at 3pm, so keep that in mind on your day of departure.

Amex - The American Express office does not charge you to convert travelers checks into dollars, but they do charge you to convert dollar denominated traveler checks into pesos, about a 2-3% fee. What we did was convert the travelers checks into dollars at Amex and then walk over to the Parish Cambio to convert the dollars into pesos. Since my AMEX checks were free, I had no converstion costs and got a great exchange rate at the Paris Cambio. My one caveat about the Paris Cambio is that they will try to give you all large bills ($100 peso notes). My first time I was able to get $300 pesos in tens and twenties. The final time , I had to ask a second time just to get 5 twenties.

Small bills - Treasure them. At first we would round up taxi fare to the next 5 peso increment. But then we discovered that we were always out of small bills and 1 peso coins. At the end we were just rounding our taxi fares up to the next peso. And places are always asking you if you have smaller bills. If you gave them a $50 peso note for a $15 peso bill, a lot of clerks would have a look of horror on their faces. The two places we did not have much trouble breaking large bills were the nicer restaurants and the disco supermercado (supermarket). Disco didn't like the larger bills, but would take them if you said that was all you had.

Food - Price of good and bad food is the same. What we discovered through trial and error is that a lot of restaurants have started substituting cheap cuts of meat for the good ones to save money. We talked to some locals and verified this recent phenomena. With the exception of one supper in Bariloche, our best meals came from BA and more specifically, the restaurant row that runs in front of the Etoile. I am not good at names, but I believe Pepe Lomo was where I got an excellent steak. Another good place was Celettos at Alvear 1592. The dark-haired male cashier at the bar is the only person who speaks any english. The place serves excellent Italian food and that is where I learned that I love Sopa de Calabaza (pumkin soup). One place I would avoid is Club Buenos Aires. My $16 peso lamb chops contained a total of 1 oz of meat and I am not exaggerating. Found out that I also like dulce de leche (tastes similar to caramel). Helado (ice cream) consisting of 1/2 dulce de leche and 1/2 fruitilla (strawberry) was my favorite treat.

Beggers - Everyone should follow their own conscience on this issue. When we were in Mendoza, we found out that the beggars, who usually appeared to be of Indian descent, worked in gangs. Most of the money goes to their bosses. Our local friend said that she tried giving them food and they would throw it down. They only wanted cash. It is a tough situation, because you want to help the people in need, but you don't want to get scammed.

Money - I don't know if there is lot of forgery in Argentina, but at almost every place they would examine even $20 peso notes for authenticity.

Airport arrivals and departure - When you arrive always tell them that you have a reservation, even if you don't. My friend told the van driver that we did not have a reservation and that is how we ended up at the Dazzler, with the driver getting his cut, even though he was supposed to be taking us to Apart Recoleta. With two days of virtually no sleep, I was too tired to argue, but I limited our stay to 2 days. I posted a warning in the hotel section about the Dazzler ripping off my friend when we checked out.

Departure - The current departure fee is $18 US or the peso equivalent. Pay in pesos because the exchange rate upstairs is as bad as you would expect at any airport. I lost about 10-15% on my remaining $220 pesos. Remis fee to airport was $8US or $28 pesos. For about a 40 minute drive with 2 tolls, I would call that an extremely reasonable fee.

Women - The guys who spend a lot of time there can correct me where I am wrong in this area. While a lot of the women in the web sites are blond, the women in BA are not. Saw very few blonds outside the clubs. Those women dying their hair went for the dark red-haired look. If you like the girl-next-door look the average woman on the street is better looking than the average woman in the clubs.

Clubs - I only went clubbing my last night, but here is my observations for a Monday night outing:

Club Affaire - I would rate most of the women a 5-6. James Bond disagrees with me. Let Johnguapo cast the tie breaker on this club. I also did not care for the aggressiveness of the women. Entry fee was $20 pesos which entitled you to 2 beers or 3 champagnes.

Playwomen - Much better assortment of women and no cover charge. Lighting was better than the other clubs. Again the women were aggressive. Upon sitting down a woman immediately set beside me and within 1 minute was hitting me up for a drink. Playwomen was packed with women and customers on that night. My guess on the men to women ratio was at least 3 to 1.

Shampoo - On average I would rate the women below Playwomen but way above Club Affaire. The women at Shampoo must not be able to approach you, but they can stand fairly close. Exit fee is 2 $20 peso drinks. I gave my drinks to James Bond and Dolores.

In summary - I found my girl next door type at Shampoo, but if I only had to pick one club out of the 3 it would be Playwomen.

Vsg888

12-14-02, 00:52

Re: AMEX Office

It's just off San Martin's Plaza on 707 Aernales. FYI re: AMEX bank downstairs in the building. You can change your AMEX checks to American Dollars for free N/C. To me this is the best of all worlds. You get the safety of the travellers checks (I get them for no commission thru the local AAA office.) and you get almost the liquidity of cash without conversion charges. As of last week when I was in BA, they were exchanging Dollars for Pesos at 1 to 3.4.

I LUV'd BA and Argentina. Made a few side trips to Patagonia and Iguazu Falls. Fellow members. Take the time and make some side trips. IMHO, you'll be missing the 4th leg of the Argentina - besides the Girls (of course), food, and shopping - the natural sights. It's absolutely breath-taking!

Just heard on the radio that the Argentinian Government defaulted on another round of loans. Whadya think this will have on the exchange rates?

Andres

12-14-02, 02:04

DCRAIN:

1) Small bills: Go to any bank (it is mandatory by law to change money to the public), ask security "cual es la cola para cambio chico?" (what's the line for small change?), wait for your turn and ask the cashier "billetes de 10 pesos y 10 pesos en monedas" (bills of p10 and p10 in coins). I usually change p400 in p10 bills in the first business day after arrival.

2) Beggers: Yes, beggers are organized in maffias. One of the most famous ones were the Romanian immigrants who flooded the Calle Florida by the mid 90s, all of them with the same kind of sign written with the same letter. Police found later that they released the day collection at a San Telmo or Constitucion hotel to a maffia organizer.

My advice is not to give: Spend your money in goods and you will indirectly help the country and the poor.

3) Counterfeit money is pervassive. Look for security measures in bills and be careful.

4) Women are more auburn or dirty blonde than real blonde. Many of them dye their hairs with colors ranging from "platynum blonde" to copper. We jokingly call the fake blondes as "rubias taxis" (cab blondes) because they are yellow in the top hair and black in the bottom hair.

5) Food: There is an EXCELLENT and cheap book about BA restaurants written by the famous Argentine restaurant jury Francisco Vidal Bussi. Buy it and I'm sure that 80% of these places are really great.

Ah! If you have money to burn, go to the BEST restaurant in Buenos Aires: "Tomo I", in the Intercontinental Hotel in front of the Obelisco (well, best tied with the French Alvear Palace Hotel restaurant). The chef is a Doctor in Mathematics and she prepares excellent and genuine dishes. It used to cost $100 per person during the 1-1. Now it may be cheaper.

Hope this helps,

Andres

EZE_Amante

12-14-02, 08:41

Just a quick note, excellent advice as always from Andres and DCrain. The banks are certainly an option for small bills, but I went to my favorite cafe each morning for coffee or breakfast, and simply always paid the check with a 100p note. The restaurants always have change, and this provided me with enough small bills to last the day. Each trip I have come home with lots of small bills to spare.

EZE :)

Fat Bastard

12-14-02, 16:15

jamesbond,

007 man....great write up about Delores. I thoroughly enjoyed reading it. She sounds absolutely wonderful and I can see what you meant about MATURE. Although I don´t mind age maturity, I can see where this is the kind of maturity you want to stick around "afterwards."

FB

Also, b69, just left an email for you.

FB

B69

12-14-02, 17:08

All right another post.

Yesterday night hooked with JohnGuapo and Jackson the man himself. Gave him my thanks for all he does for the mongering community.

And we did a small tour. Went downtown. First club was Hook. Mainly young chicas and quite a few hot looking ones. Definitely happy to go. Typical cabaret with shows, etc. Nice and laid back.

Then went next door to Cattos. Older girls, apparently with less energy. Older crowd also who goes there. Similar type of cabaret. I personally preferred Hook, since there were more girls, younger ones, and more attractive.

Then we left the downtown area and went to Madahos, with the fresh memory of the day before with such a variety and high quality girls. Surprisingly, there were many less girls and far from having as many hot ones as the night before. Go figure !
Could it be that on Thursday more guys go out (without family) and thus more girls are there to attend ? No clue.

In the end, I chose a nice looking dark haired girl. Good bod. Name is Maria Belen. 25 years old. Has a kid and is single mother. Had to buy her a couple of drinks at Peso 30 each before leaving Madahos.
Very friendly, full of positive energy, sweet and funny. The sex was good but not a GFE. BBBJ but she was not very good at that. Gave me a decent massage afterwards. Peso 200 for an hour. Gave her Peso 300 for two hours.

More to follow. I leave tomorrow evening. So there is still tonight and tomorrow afternoon !!! Fat Bastard and I will hook up later on tonight normally. So another raid!!!

JamesBond69

12-14-02, 17:42

Originally posted by vsg888
Re: AMEX Office

Just heard on the radio that the Argentinian Government defaulted on another round of loans. Whadya think this will have on the exchange rates?

Apparently the latest default yesterday had no effect on the peso, as it was expected. The pesos is still around 3.5, where it's been for almost six months.

About a week ago the government partially lifted the corralito, the limit on bank withdrawals and the peso spiked to 3.6, then went down to 3.5 again the next day.

But on Dec. 19 and 20th there is going to be a massive demonstration in BA, a year from the date of the devaluation and corralito. Most Argentines, including Dolores who is active in the politicial scene, believe it will be violent, with supermarket looting, etc. Some mentioned that some Menen supporters want to show that the current goverment can not control the situation and that the army should be used to control social turmoil and rising crime.

IF it is violent the peso will probably go to 4 to 1 dollar or more. For the sake of the country I hope it's not violent and the pesos remains where it is but that's the situation.

WARNING:
All mongers should exercise caution on Dec. 19 & 20th, as the situation could get nasty. I suggest you stay in Recoleta during those dates. Last Dec. 19th 28 people were killed in the protest, mostly in downtown and the poorer suburbs.

JamesBond69

12-14-02, 17:50

Originally posted by Fat Bastard
jamesbond,

007 man....great write up about Delores. I thoroughly enjoyed reading it. She sounds absolutely wonderful and I can see what you meant about MATURE. Although I don´t mind age maturity, I can see where this is the kind of maturity you want to stick around "afterwards."

I wrongly referred to Dolores as a hooker. Actually she is more in the tradition of a "courtesan", in that she's like the women in the eighteenth century French court that expertly serviced the nobility sexually but also provided spiritual and intellectual services.

Coutesans had semi accepted role to play in the society, offering relief from the conventionality of their aristocratic wives and were not shunned and cosidered outcasts, as are women who one would apply the term "hooker" and solely rent out their bodies to any stranger by the clock.

JamesBond69

12-14-02, 22:23

Originally posted by Nibu Raphael
HB When you say Delores is active Politicallly in BA I hope the right way. I see way too many Socialist Communist Demonstrations in SA.,,,,,,,,,, NIBU R....................

I didn't have time to discuss in detail her politics, so can't say if she is a communist or not, although in Latin American and other places it's unclear what a communist is anymore. I wouldn't classify Lulu as a communist or even Chavez. There politics are not as clear as Castro. I know that she participated in the demonstration last year against the devaluation and will be participating on Dec. 19 & 20th but then so will millions of others, most of whom are from the now poor middle class. and just feel they must protest the situation somehow but not really have any solutions, as who does.

I can say that she's very familiar with the ideas of the American economist Stiglitz and like him opposes many of the demands the IFM is now trying to impose on Argentina. She feels the IMF is just making the matter worse. Also like almost all Argentines she blames most of the problems on the corruption of Argentine leaders, with the root of the problems starting with the Peron era.

And she is very opposed to Menen and some of this positions, such as dollarization and the militarization of the police to combat crime. That's about all I know.

B69

12-15-02, 16:57

Well, last night, another round.

Hooked up with Fat bastard and did a tour.

Started light. Went to Kilkenneys (Irish pub), not a monger place, just a regular place for drinks and to see the crowd. Lots of good looking girls.

Stopped at Cafe Orleans afterwards. Was dead, like three dogs were there. I understand it is a day place.

Went to Newport around 1 am. Few people. A couple of nice looking girls though.

Then went to Black, just for the sake of it. Since we had read that Saturday it was the place to check out. The place was definitely full of girls, and many were really hot.
Our curiosity being satisfied, and temptation sorely tested, we headed for Shampoo, curious to meet Dolores who has received such reviews, the modern day courtisane according to James Bond.
Place was rather tranquil. There were a few good looking girls. The dancers were impressive.
Found Dolores. Talked to her quite a bit (she is a windmill of words, a chatterbox). Undeniably very smart and friendly.
I was however feeling pretty tired. Did I hit the monger wall as John Guapo mentioned? And so Fat Bastard was doing most of the talking.
I did try to overcome my tiredness, thinking of heading to Estilo Nuevo, to repear Leila or try Antonella (a John Guapo recommendation) but was simply too tired. And headed back to the Apart hotel alone (which surprised the guy at the entrance; it surprised me too).

And now only a few hours left before the planes takes me away. Maybe I can end with a bang. Will report if anything new comes up.

More to follow in the next few hours hopefully.

Dcrain

12-15-02, 17:47

Hi Andres,

I went to one bank on my next-to-last day. I waited 5-10 minutes and no teller even showed up to help the people in front of me. I left and went to the Paris Cambio. If you could list some banks with good service, it would help people.

EZE amante - It depends on the restaurant. I think the restaurants near the Etoile do a lot of business and have a lot more cash. We ate at Celettos a lot and and sat near the cash register. I don't think they ever kept more than 300 pesos in the register at one time. Most of their patrons paid with credit card.

AsiaTraveler2

12-16-02, 12:14

Hi Guys;

New to this board. I've been traveling mostly to Thailand, PI, Hong Kong and Shanghai. Interested in getting a quick overview of BA. Sounds intrigueing, but very complicated. Is everything spread out? (No pun intended) I'm gathering that most of the action is in clubs. Anyone familiar with the Asian scene, that can compare that action vs. what you can find in BA?

If you had only 2 days in BA (planning on a stop over), what would you suggest for a newbie (hotel and action spots). Just want to get a taste of what BA is about, and make good use of the 2 days. I'll try to get hooked up with the girl Jackson recommended as well. I think her input would be worth it, due to my time constraints. Thanks in advance, for any light you can shed on this.

Fat Bastard

12-16-02, 14:30

Originally posted by jamesbond69

WARNING:
All mongers should exercise caution on Dec. 19 & 20th, as the situation could get nasty. I suggest you stay in Recoleta during those dates. Last Dec. 19th 28 people were killed in the protest, mostly in downtown and the poorer suburbs.

Hmm..I'll be in Bs As during this time frame. Should be interesting. The economy and money problems really weigh on the Argentinian's minds. Concerning the demonstrations....I have heard that the government opposition busses poor folks in and pays them $10 pesos a day, just to provide shear numbers, but I know normal everyday people in Bs As that protested a year ago and plan to do so again this year. Lots of retirees/senior citizens lost their savings last year and they will be out there as well. All in all; non-violent people who are just pissed off and worried.

As previously posted, met up with b69 and did a nice whirlwind tour...brought two workplace friends along who wanted to know the scene. b69 is one smooth guy...much more cosmopolitan and well spoken than I ever hope to be. Speaks four languages fluently...I have problems with English.

Missed out on meeting Nibu...we kept missing each other, but I had to laugh as I talked to him on the phone and he talks like he writes. When I called looking for him, I only had to ask for the "loco gringo" and the front desk chica knew exactly who I was talking about.

Saint

12-16-02, 21:09

Fat Bastard,

I'll be there too during that time frame and I am NOT worried. Don't get all caught up in what people write here about demonstrations, rioting and protesting. I've been down there several times this year and have yet to have any problems. I was there during the heat of things when they shut down the banks. Still no problems.

More importantly, I also email with at least 50 guys from around the world that have been down to BA based on reports on this board. NONE of them experienced violance or crime.

People have to remember that the locals are not pissed at Americans. For the most part they are pissed at their own politicians. The people of their own country that robbed and cheated them and that have been for years.

Use common sense and you'll be fine.

P.S. Go back to the archives around April 2002. There were the same type of posts where people were warning about protests, riots, etc.. Everything was cool. Also, I don't see the peso getting too much weaker than it is. I think the trading range will be between 3 and 4 for a while.

Nibu Raphael

12-17-02, 01:53

Hey FB Yeh Bro I left you like 3 messages sucked we never hooked up the same with Havanaman. I hope to make it back in Argentina Maybe in april in BA For a few days or Man Late 2003 for a good 6 week tour. To B69 Who Are you? I wish I could of met you too. Who Are you B69??? Tell me more about yourself. Again to Jackson thanks for giving me a page but damn I can Not POst on it. Ha Confuses Me but anways Thanks.... Ok You Dudes I might make a post in the Valparaiso Chile section as I am here now and will be for a full 24 hours,,,,,,,, NIBU R.......

JamesBond69

12-17-02, 02:28

Originally posted by saint
More importantly, I also email with at least 50 guys from around the world that have been down to BA based on reports on this board. NONE of them experienced violance or crime.

Agreed.

I was in BA for a month last week and walked around at night in different neighborhoods, some certainly not upscale like recoleta and had absolutely no problems. And I'm physically no Claude van Damme.

Despite what you read in the press BA is safer in my opinion then NYC during the crack epidemic in the 80's, when it was very dangerous here. The are problems with the taxi's and express kidnappping but if you are just a bit street wise you shouldn't have a problem. For example I always call taxi cabs, which are 100% safe, rather than hail the taxis cruising in the street. So do many Argentines.

And there is NO open hostility to Americans or foreigners, as you might encounter in say Arabic or Muslim countries, even if 37% of Argentines in a recent poll stated that they are against the American government\, which they consider in control the IMF.

I am not posting about street crime. I am not posting about violence against foreigners or Americans.

I only post an annoucement about the dates Dec. 19 & 20th, since email from my Argentine friends, is that there will probably be some violence on these dates during and after the massive demonstrations downtown and no one who doesn't want wants to get in the middle of it, particularly if you don't speak Spanish.

It is not wise for example to go to the downtown boliches ie Hooks or Cattos during those dates. Even many Argentines will not be downtown and caught in the demonstrations. It would be very naive to do so, unless you are specifically interested in the event, which is something else aside from mongering.

Best to stay in Recoleta, far enough away from the massive demonstrations downtown and you should be fine.

ezy

12-17-02, 03:34

re: demonstations....if the demonstrations planned for later this week are as massive and potentially violent as some are predicting it would indeed be wise to stay away from the area where protests are taking place. Generally, protests have been centered around the Plaza de Mayo area, a safe enough distance from the downtown boliches.....In fact, I have been in the boliches a number of times when demonstrations were going on less than a couple of miles away.....and for all practical purposes the demonstrations might as well have been half way across the world.....

But even if Cattos or Cutty Sark are "safe", many of the chicas will not work while demonstrations are going on....they prefer to stay at home until things die down.....

MRLA

12-17-02, 12:52

Fellow Mongers,

I am new to the board. I am going to be in BA the week of February 2-11. If anyone wants to hook up and show me the ropes, would be fun. Now if any of you travelers who have too many "AIR MILES", and would like to get some cash, I would like a round trip ticket from "John Wayne airport to EZE, first class." The best coach price I found was $625RT. I am willing to pay $700 if anyone wants to earn extra money for a "First Class Ticket" Must know by Jan 5. Just a thought. Anyway really am having fun on the board, you guys have "GREAT" stories, and I can't wait to get there. Thanks for all the help "MR SAINT", the Spanish course is wonderful, and so simple. 47 days and counting to beautiful BA...

MR LA

Saint

12-17-02, 15:18

Hey MRLA. You're welcome. Pimsleur Spanish is great! I'm glad you like it. It really will improve your spanish if you stick with it everyday. I highly recommend the Pimsleur CD's for anyone that will be going to Buenos Aires. Even learning some basic stuff will help you immensely with the girls.

Also, you'll be very hard pressed to find a first class ticket for anywhere near that amount but Good luck. Tickets to BA right now aren't cheap. Keep in touch with me and maybe I'll be in BA during that time frame.

saintofba@aol.com

Andres

12-17-02, 15:30

DCRAIN:

When you go to a bank, you should ask the security guard (n Spanish, since none of them speak English, and they barely speak decent Spanish). Nobody will approach you.

Respect to good service, no bank has good service. Customer satisfaction is usually just a slogan down there.

---------

jamesbond69:

Catto's and Hook are pretty away from the usual demonstrations gatherings. I guess that there is no problem going there.

Hope this helps,

Andres

apstar

12-18-02, 03:39

Just a quick word about Pimsleur language courses, you might want to try some of the file swapping services( Kazaa etc) to see if you can download them off internet. Few months ago I was able to find a punch of Pimsleur Spanish and Portuguese MP3 files on Kazaa. Just a thought.

MRLA

12-18-02, 12:25

Hey Saint,

Just recieved my first e-mail from a lady on AREA-VIP. Barbie(aka:Pamela). Well we are going to see how well this spanish class is going. Only a week, but I sure am having fun. Any of you guys spend any time with Barbie? Any input would help. Seems like a nice lady. Hell they all seem like nice ladies. Or is it me, just can't wait to get on the plane. 46days to BA

MR LA

ibiza007

12-18-02, 23:38

Hello Saint,

I would like to know more about the pimsleur spanish courses you mentioned earlier. I think you said something about availability at a lower rate. Any info is appreciated.

And, I believe you have an upcoming trip to Rio and BA starting soon. I look forward to hearing your thoughts on the Termas in Rio vs. the clubs in BA.

To all and everyone - is anyone planning to be in BA around the 26th of January - 10th of Feb? Anyone have any thoughts on that period of the year in BA. Is it a slow time time in the Clubs for any reason?

Lots of great posts from the Thanksgiving weekend! Great to hear that everyone had so much fun in the lower hemisphere.

I am lookng forward to making my first trip at the end of January

Ibiza

Saint

12-18-02, 23:51

MrLA,

Ha, ha. Great! Yeah, if you stick with the CD's you can learn alot. I shopped around a while and Pimsleur seemed to be the best option. (Jackson, sorry if these are off topic). Feel free to delete.

Ibiza, some dudes are selling the courses for very expensive. What some guys do is buy the cassette or CD's then copy them then sell the original. Some sell boot leg copies. Of course this is illegal. Yet other guys provide the cd's for free and only charge for shipping them, etc. There are guys out there that want to help guys learn. Some guy offered me a URL for free where I could download all 90 lessons but it was EXTREMELY slow even on a fast T1 connection. (My time was too valuable and I just bought them...it was easier). I gave up after trying to download just one lesson. He told me not to give out the link so I'm not.

Or as I mentioned, if you live in a big city go to your local library. Most have at least the first set (30 lessons) for free to check out. I started out that way and liked it so much I bought the entire 90 lesson set. (I also bought Portuguese). This way you can try it and see if you like it and you don't have to pay anything. I wouldn't spend hundreds of dollars on this again. No need to spend more than $75 US on all 90 lessons. Like I said...there are plenty of options for getting all of them for very cheap. (Email me and I can help you find it for cheap.. saintofba@aol.com)

Yes, I'm going to BA tomorrow for 7 days then I'm flying to Rio for 8 glorious days. I'm trying to extend my trip in Rio for 4 or 5 more days for a total of 13 days and I'm heading to BA after my Rio trip for a few more days. I tried extending but now they want a ton of money. I'm interested in seeing how I'll like Rio. I'll post an in-depth comparison when I return.

Good luck and happy holidays all.

JamesBond69

12-19-02, 03:41

Originally posted by saint
I'm interested in seeing how I'll like Rio. I'll post an in-depth comparison when I return.

Although I'm solidly a BA fanatic I have to admit Rio is a serious contender to BA as the monger capital of the world (or at least Latin World). They're both great but in different ways.

Very curious to read how you compare Rio to BA?

AsiaTraveler2

12-19-02, 06:47

Looking for opinions from those who have visited BA and Bangkok and\or Phillipines. How do they compare .. quantity and quality of girls, prices, and options (freelancers, massage parlors, escorts, etc.). Thinking about going to BA, but not sure at this point. Look forward to the responses! Thanks!

Jodomas

12-19-02, 12:10

Asiatraveler2;

Use the forum search feature in this board and look for my post for 11-22-02. Also look for LA Larry reports on this issue. He has made a very good comparison.

jodomas

MRLA

12-19-02, 12:49

Saint,

Things are going well with Barbie,(AKA Pamela). She speaks more english, than I do Spanish. I talked to her yesterday on the phone, and what a great lady. She had me laughing after 10minutes and really sounds like she wants to see me. I know it is for the money, but she said during the day time she wanted to show me a little of BA. No charge, just lunch. Well if all the girls are like this, I am going to need a doctor after this trip. Or maybe a vacation, to re-coup from my vacation.

ibiza,
I will be in BA Feb 2-11, it to is my first time. But with all the help from the guys on this board, I have done my home work. Jackson sent me MAYRA and ROXANA'S e-mail, and I am now counting days (45and counting) to Beautiful BA. Mayra is the best for lodging, I am staying at the "ETOLIE" in the Diplomatic Suite for 198pesos a night. Roxana will help me with the ladies and spanish language problems that arise. I also hope to meet "MR SIR JACKSON" in person, and all of us get together for dinner one night while I am their. Anyway if I can help in anyway , just ask.

MRLA

mohctep

12-19-02, 13:56

Sorry for not staying with a theme of the board but i wonder if anyone does bussiness in Argentina-Brazil. I need a pointers from people who have been exporting from those two countrys.
My plan is to export textile products to Eastern Europe.
I would much appriciate your help guys in pointing me to the right places on th net. Or basicaly giving me your opinion on that idea. Which regions I should be looking at and what about delivery does it all goes through Brazil? How important to know Portugese or Spanish in negotiations? Can I get by with English and interpreter, etc.
My address is dkzzzz@yahoo.com I would much appreciate any advise from seasoned pros.:)
Thank you.
Mohctep.

Bandy

12-19-02, 15:42

Asiatraveler2,

I have been in Thailand many times and recently spent 9 days in BA. It is very difficult to compare two places, because of their totally divergent geographical locations, including women.

If you are interested in latin women, hop in a plane and go to BA. In BA, it is basically club based actions, just like go go bars in Nana Plaza or Patpong, but offer you 10 fold higher quality entertainment. In addition, internet based escort scenes are highly developed in BA. Freelancing, although exists in BA, it pales in comparision to Thailand.

If you are interested in Asian women, look no further- Thailand should be your premier destination. Also, no place on earth has perfected the massage parlor scene as does Thailand. To have a soapy body massage in a Las Vegas type entertaiment establishment like Poseidon, New Cleopetra etc. is a once in a life time experience. Last year I spent a night with a Thai penthouse model- an experience I will never forget.

If you thinking about money, Thailand offeres you the best value. You can have a girl in Thailand for less than 35 USD for whole night. Whereas in BA, for quality girls, you might have to shell out close to 80 USD. For one hour action, many girls can be had for 30 USD in BA. Hope this helps.

Bandy

LA Larry

12-19-02, 16:03

LA Larry is in the house. Quick report before I disappear down to MDP.

Staying at the Hotel Castellar. Took a cab to Recoleta last night rather early (8pm) dined solo at an Italian joint near the Mall/Cinema where the tango dancers ply their trade.

My plan was to hit all the usual spots afterwards but I got sidetracked.

After dinner (6 us dollars!) I stopped by the Etoile to book a suite for next week when I get back from MDP...When I was at the front desk talking with the clerk, there was a stunning Blonde beauty, maybe 23 years old. She was in the process of being buzzed up to a punters room. It was plain as day. But! Somehow--as fate ordained it--the imbecile wasn't answering his phone--perhaps he hung himself or something--but the result was that this glorious specimen was suddenly free as a bird...LA Larry swooped in like a hawk, sprinkled a little silly spanish on her, and the next thing you know we are headed back to the Av de Mayo and my little room at the Castelar.

Let me describe this girl in detail. Her name was Hilga! Can you imagine? Kinda hilarious, she was off German and Brazilian stock. Perfect, real 34 D tits, not an ounce of fat on her, and a heart shaped ass, a face like Shakira, and long silky blonde hair...A solid 8 on the beauty scale. Maybe even a 9...The only thing holding her back from perfection is that she was a little shorty. Should was only around 5'2....Which is fine by me.

Anyway--she showers, and for the hell of it--I pop a viagra to ensure an extrordinary experience. She emerges from the shower and to my delight--goes into her bag and rmoves pumps and lingerie. I go in shower and when I come out--she's standing on the bed as though it were a runway and she was a victoria secret's model. I proceed to remove my Digital Video camera and test the waters. SHE IS GAME TO BE TAPED. I shoot some silly nonsense of her voguing on the bed and then she proceeds to allow me to film the entire sex session. INSANE. I could go on and on, but for the sake of brevity, I will summarize the action.

3 loads.
2 in her face.
1 between the D-cups.
generous BBBJs on film.
Shaved beaver, bald.
No kids, definitely younger girl
Every position except anal.
Sweet and genuinely a GFE.
4 hours / 250 pesos (She asked for 150 pesos for "however long you want".)
the sex was 9/10 scale (no anal makes it a only a 9!)

Hilga claims that because of her brothers she doesn't work in the clubs. Instead she works in tandem with an internet girl on Playtnum. But she refuses to put her face on the web. Which struck me as the height of hypocrisy since she allowed me to video a 3 sex scenes worthy of a Vivid Raw collection DVD. Anyway--what she and her girlfriend do is--the send Hilga with the knowledge that no punter would ever send her away, depsite the fact that he hadn't ordered her. She was a f-ing doll!

Definitely going to see her again when I get back next week.

Lastly, I suggest hanging around outside the Etoile and simply hitting on the chicas coming in and out!

It beats the entry/exit fees of the clubs! (LOL)

Vsg888

12-19-02, 17:31

LA Larry. Any chance you're willing to share Hilga's contact info offline? thx

vsg888@yahoo.com

B69

12-19-02, 20:25

Hello everyone.

Back home.

Left BA on Sunday afternoon. In the end, did not do much Sunday. Went to Caife Saigon. There was about 15 chicas. Only a couple were OK. So, I did nothing. Good to know, though, that it operates on Sunday afternoons.

Passed in front of Hook and Cattos, and as expected were closed.
Took my list of Internet girls. None answered. I guess they were recuperating from the week. Tried the Cielo brothel. No one picked up.

So I resignated myself and had an early diner with a bottle of wine, and thus left BA somewhat tipsy.

Was a great trip overall. Enjoyed meeting Jackson, John Guapo and Fat Bastard. Dolores, odern day courtisan, was fun too. And the chicas I "consumed" were really worth it. I certainly hope to come back in 2003 and meet more of you guys.

Nibu, I saw your questions on who I was. What can I say ? I wish we could have met, and learn from your experiences, but I guess it will be for next time. In any case, you now have your own place in the Argentina posts.

Rest.

AsiaTraveler2

12-19-02, 20:26

LA Larry;

I don't think the girl allowing you to tape her and not wanting to be on the internet is hypocrisy. She's afraid of what would happen if one of her family members or friends would think if they saw her on an internet escort service website. She is putting her trust in you, that you would never publish those pics though. She is putting herself at risk .. since someone down the line may do so. Alot of girls do a similar thing in the Asian massage parlors and strip clubs. They go to other cities, to minimize\eliminate the risk of being seen by someone they know. They tell their family\friends that they are going on vacation. They make a few bucks, and go back home. Of course, it's a small world these days, and who knows what may happen.

AsiaTraveler2

12-19-02, 20:35

Bandy;

Thanks for the info. I'm very familiar with the BKK scene. I have been there 5 times. That's why I was looking for some basis of comparison. I appreciate the feedback. The $80 US, was it for an hour or for non-rushed longer period of time. Money is not a big issue, just wanted to compare. I love all kinds of women. I'm more interested in that they show some interest back, to make the experience worthwhile. I gathered from earlier postings that the clubs seem the place to be. I also contacted the girl that Jackson referred to in an earlier post. She seems very worthwhile as a guide, should I go there. I'm thinking of a stop over, on my way to the West Coast, just to test the waters. I'll need to research this a bit more .. hotels, club locations, etc. Thanks again!

AsiaTraveler2

12-19-02, 20:39

jodomas;

Thanks! I'll check into the search.

Dcrain

12-19-02, 20:52

The expected protests have begun.

Argentine Protesters Rally In Capital; Demand Jobs, Foods

BUENOS AIRES (AP)--Thousands of Argentines demanding jobs and food for the unemployed marched through the capital Thursday, nearly one year after economic upheaval pushed the country into its worst-ever financial crisis.
The street protests kicked off two days of demonstrations timed to coincide with the one-year anniversary of the fall of former President Fernando de la Rua, whose resignation last Dec. 20 plunged the country into economic turmoil.

Hundreds of protesters gathered outside symbols of the country's prolonged economic crisis, demonstrating in front of banks, Argentina's Central Bank and the Buenos Aires stock market.

"We're worse off with each passing day," said Julio Cesar Avellaneda, 34, now unemployed for three years. "Our politicians don't recognize that and aren't doing anything to change it."

After a painful devaluation and debt default, Argentina has struggled to emerge from the economic doldrums. One out of every five Argentines is unemployed and the peso's value has plunged 70% against the U.S. dollar.

Worried the protests could ignite tensions, the government ordered police to stand guard at supermarkets and key intersections as part of security measures aimed at preventing a repeat of the looting and violence that swept Argentina last December and forced de la Rua from office.

At least 27 people died in three days of bloody protests and looting that swept Argentina last year as South America's second-largest economy unraveled amid a four-year recession.

The unrest prompted a revolving door of five presidents in two weeks and forced Argentina to default on its $141 billion dollar debt, leaving the country an international pariah.

Waving Argentine flags and shouting anti-government slogans, long columns of protesters descended Friday afternoon on the Plaza de Mayo, the site of last year's demonstrations and hundreds of smaller ones since.

"Nothing in this country has improved," said student Valeria Molina, 20, as she joined in the protest.

At the plaza, police stood behind iron barricades, keeping a distance from protesters outside the Government House, where President Eduardo Duhalde has his office.

Blocks away, dozens of protesters scrawled spray-painted messages of " Thieves! Robbers! Assassins!" on bank facades. "Throw them all out!" demonstrators shouted - a popular protest chant coined during protests a year ago.

Black smoke billowed from burning tires as protesters fanned out across one the city's main boulevards, unfurling banners that read "No more exclusion, unemployment, hunger and repression."

Students hoisted Argentine flags imprinted with the image of Argentine revolutionary Ernesto "Che" Guevara and other anti-government banners.

Bandy

12-19-02, 21:15

Asiatraveler2,

You can have many girls for whole night (about 8-10 hrs depending on your charisma) for 300 Peso (about 80 USD). Then again some girls from "Black" will charge you that amount for an hour. If you stick to the downtown clubs, like Hook, Ness etc., you will get more for your buck. Recoleta area tends to be little expensive and "Black" is altogether different animal. Also, you must add on the other expenses, like girl's drinks , entrance fee etc., when you take out a girl from the clubs ( like bar fine in Thailand). In Black, it might cost you easily 200 Peso. By the way, I forgot to mention that massage parlor in its true sense (like fishbowl full of 100+ girls) do not exist in BA. There are some brothels, but number of girls are very limited.

Bandy

ezy

12-19-02, 21:45

DCRAIN....thanks for posting the article about riots in
BA. As others have posted, there is the potential for this weekend's protests to turn violent. It has been rumored that political opponents of the existing government have paid hungry protests to extract blood, in the hope of toppling the government....Be safe. Be Careful. Have fun.

Dancesw/Chicas

12-19-02, 22:40

LA Larry,

Great post, lucky you finding this girl at the Etoile front desk. I can imagine how you were on top of the situation, "like a hawk". Do you know how's the girl from platynum that Hilga works with? I would love to make a film of my own, doing the acting, directing, casting etc.. Ha!

What you did LA Larry was a impeccable showing of professional mongering...Hats off to you!

This type of spontaneous meeting is one of the many things that makes BA so great.

Once, I was strolling the Ave. Florida and saw this girl giving an older guy a flirtatious look. Suddendly, I felt the presence of the dark side of the force and after a short taxi ride I was involve in a hot and heavy session. It was great!

Later, guys

Saint

12-20-02, 23:49

Hola amigos. VERY quick update. I've been busy busy all day. I have to go meet Havanaman and Jackson for dinner. I'm running late as it is.

I made it in ok this morning but American lost my luggage. I was NOT happy but they thought it was just on another plane headed for BA. Anyway, I get here this morning and within 2 minutes of walking in my door I'm told I need to go get my visa for Brazil today before 1 PM. Off I went. NO rioting in the area of the Brazillian embassasy. I did have trouble paying..I'll go into that tomorrow when I have more time.

Cable guys came and I have cable and high speed internet access installed. Hooray! My apartment is awesome! I love it! My amiga stopped by and unpacked for me. I finally got my bags. I told her I didn't want a session but we did. I kept saying no. She said no money. I said no sex and she said how about we just go down on eachother. I said ok. Oh well. Had a GREAT session. That's why I'm late. Just hopped out of the shower.

Weather is perfect in the 80's. Life is good. I'm one lucky bastard! I gotta go.

I'll have more time to type later. I plan on going to Black's or one of the other clubs tonight after dinner with the guys. Havanaman sounded cool on the phone.

More later.

Saint

JamesBond69

12-21-02, 00:50

Originally posted by saint

I'm one lucky bastard!

"I'm one lucky bastard!"

No question about that!.......Going to Blacks, Platynum, Cielo, Nuevo Estilo Boliche, Hooks, MDP, etc, etc. etc.. ....

I know it's going to depress me but in a perverse way I am looking forward to your report:-)

Post away...

A very envious...
Bond, James Bond
AMA in exile (current position, hopefully not for long)

Saint

12-21-02, 06:21

I just got done fom awhat I think is a hottie. I'm usually into blondes but she was an angel. Her face was beautiful, her body was rocking. The semi downsides for some of you is he tits were a little smaller but it looked good on her body.

First we all met at Jackson's pad which a realy nice in the heart of the action in Recoleta. Our apartments are layed out differently but I like his location. But I like my view. The chicks are loving this place and I didn't think the session quality can improve but it seems to be.

We go to dinner with Havanman. Who is a mild mannered, polite and an all around good guy. We did the downtown clubs then hit Recoleta. I think we all scored at Madaho's. I know Jackson was digging my chick. Havana was checking her out too. She was VERY effectionate kissing me in the bar. (Jackson was deep french kissing some girl in the bar too).

Jackson was doing good too. In fact I think we all had our hands full. I had a GREAT session with this girl but I'm not positing her name. Just go into Madaho's and you'll find your type. Sorry my posts suck and sound incoherent tonight but I'm gonna sleep. More later.

Exchange rate sucked. ..said 3.37 but I never attmpted it.

Saint

12-21-02, 11:51

Morning guys. I tried sleeping in but of course couldn't. It takes a few days to adjust to BA. Of course it was nice waking up in my apartment. God I love it!!! After being back in BA I KNOW God is a male. Ha, ha.

Ok. More on yesterday. I went to the Brazillian embassey to get my 5 year visa (I'm heading there after this trip for 8 days). All goes well but they send me to a BA bank to pay the 401 pesos. Well, I just got into town earlier that day. I did NOT have time to change my cash into pesos. I waited in line 30 minutes then they would NOT take Dollars. Their ATM's were not working. I walked around a 10 block radius. No other ATM's or casa de cambio's. Unbelieveable. No protesting at all. All those that made a big fuss about it were predictably wrong.

As I mentioned before. I was here during the bank closures in May. Even then it wasn't bad. I think that is the worst of it. Come down with no worries. It's paradise.

Anyway, I get my cable and internet installed which was a hassle. My spanish is decent but when the guys talked about drilling holes in the wall, I got Mayri on the phone to help. They didn't want to put the connection where I wanted it. I told them if they could do it without making tons of holes in my wall I'd give them 100 pesos. Of course they figured it out. In the meantime, my amiga from the clubs calls and wants to check out my new place. She comes over and loves it! Small world. We ended up having the same cable guy! Ha, ha.

American lost my luggage and delivered it LATE. I'm glad to have my stuff but I'm missing several clothes including a $500 Armani jacket. :( I'm not sure what recourse I have. The # they gave me no one answers. Oh well. I'm happy to be here.

It was good hooking up with Jackson again last night. We had a good time. It wasn't too late of a night. I think I was back at my place by 1:45 AM which is early by BA standards. My girl left around 4 AM. I paid her 200 pesos plus I walked her down and paid the taxi driver for her cab. She was loving the apartment and asked to come back. She gave me her home and cell phone numbers. I don't like repeating so not sure if I'll see her but maybe. I'm supposed to hook up with Moondog on Sunday night for dinner and I'm to bring a date so maybe I'll ask her. Very pretty girl.

I brought a crapload of cash with me in case I want another apartment but casa de cambios were closed last night. First time in BA i've used an ATM. I took out 700 pesos and I checked today online and my bank debited $202 US. So not bad.

I gotta go do a ton of shopping today. Weather is perfect again today. I'm going to go change some money. Life is good amigos.

Saint

Saint

12-21-02, 19:47

Latest update. It's 5:30 PM here and just got back from shopping all day for stuff for my apartment. Man, the weather is nice. It's usually much hotter this time of year I'm told but the weather is perfect. Not a cloud in the sky and in the 80's. Tons of hotties everywhere. Some guys said it is slower this time of year but you couldn't tell it. I've had no problem reaching all the girls I've called on the internet sites.

I spent about $1,000 US today on stuff for my apartment. For those of you that will be staying here you'll love some of this stuff. My CD player I brought down broke so I had to buy a new one today. Electronics here are pricey because of the import taxes. (Usually about 40% more). I bought all new sheets, comforter, and goose down pillows because I hated the ones the owner bought me. Dropped a ton of money but it's worth it. Man, there is a cool chain of stores called "Buenos Aires Design" next to Hard Rock Cafe in Recoleta. You can find anything for your place if you get one here.

There is a grocery store for those of you staying in apartments in Recoleta. It's called Disco and is on Quintana a few blocks from the Alvear Palace. Groceries are cheap here. I got tons of drinks (water, coke, wine, Bailey's, etc, fruit, etc.) less than 60 pesos for about 7 bags of stuff.

I'm really tired but I just called an Area-Vip girl. She is coming in about an hour or so. I thought I'd have more of a leisurely pace here since this vacation is 16 days but I love the chicas here. My building has 3 doormen for the 3 different shifts. I got 3 Christmas cards and put some cash in them for them. The day guy never has a smile on his face but this seemed to crack it.

My view is spectacular. It faces the river and Montevideo. I have an air-conditioner but only used it a little yesterday. I'm on the top floor of my building so I have a good breeze with the patio doors open.

I had breakfast this morning at La Biela. I got a newspaper from the corner stand (Miami Herald for 12 pesos). Man I love that cafe. It's not the cheapest but well worth it. I'll probably take a VERY brief nap if I can after the chica leaves and try to hook up with Havanaman and Jackson again. It's very convenient having my cable internet connection and my laptop. Sure beats going to the internet cafes.

Life is good. More later.

MRLA

12-21-02, 21:42

Hey Saint,

How about a little update on the AREA_VIP girls, just for reference. Can't make up my mind which one to choose when I get there in Feb.Hope you have a great time, guess you won't be their to show me the ropes in Feb. Oh well I guess I'll find Jackson. I do hope the wheather stays good until Feb, as I am a California Beach Bum.

MR LA

Dancesw/Chicas

12-21-02, 21:58

Saint

Congratulations on your apartment. It sounds great.

Is good to see that the AMA is having a monger stationed in Argentine soil, besides of course, our "founding father" Jackson.

I was wondering if you could tell us a little bit about what you do you in BA in order to have an apartment. I am thinking in living in BA from March-July. There is a place in Barrio Norte (Purreydon? and Arenales) that charge me 1100 pesos a month. The place is more like the size of an American Studio and is kind of a Hotel/apart-ments. What I like about it is that is month to month, not deposit or leasing contract, utilities to be pay etc...

My questions for you if you don't mind are: Did you have to commit to a year lease? Also was there a first and last month plus deposit required? I just hate the hassle of dealing with that in a foreign country.

How much do you think is a fair price to rent a nice furnished apartment in the Barrio Norte/Recoleta area?

Your info will be very much appreciate.

Thank you, and keep up the good work!
dancesw/chicas

Dcrain

12-21-02, 22:57

Saint, are you talking about the Disco that is next door to Shampoo? I went to that one a few times. The address is Quintana 366. Another Disco is located at Talcahuano 1055. Checkout lines move slow in Disco. If you want any fruits and vegetables you better be lucky or patient. Each Disco store has one person in the back weighing and pricing produce. Most of the time there were long lines of women waiting to get their produce priced.

Saint, since you like convenience, check into their delivery service. On several occasionis, I saw Diso employees pushing carts filled with stacked plastic crates carrying 10-20 orders. Most of the time, the orders were stacked over the employee's head and he was having trouble seeing where he was going. I saw this at both Disco stores I shopped at.

mazen

12-22-02, 01:59

For those of you that speak spanish, I would recommend the Escorts59 forum (http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/escorts59/).
It has really great information about escorts in Buenos Aires. I hang out there all the time and I have used lots of good advices, information and recommendations from there. What makes it so good is that most of the people that hang out there are natives from BA and not tourists like most of the people here. I mean, they know EVERYTHING you need to know!

By the way, last week I met Romina (http://www.area-vip.com.ar/mujeres/romina/espanol.htm) from Area-Vip. What a girl! Amazing! I'd recommend her to anyone!

Regards, mazen

Saint

12-22-02, 07:53

Busy busy busy busy day. My night time girl just left and she is a sweetie. Booking body. So much happened last night but I'm tired so i'll give you readers digest version. Jackson and I went to Playwoman. I introduced Jackson to Marisol who looked hot as ever. Jackson probably had a boner (as we all would). They were all over the club killing holding hands, flashing her tits, and making out like school kids.

I knew he'd see her. Then I see her walking away. I call her back. And apparently she thought Jackson wanted a 2 hour session for 100 pesos. Jackson said dos cien. But she heard cien and not CIENTOS. Guys....get the hundreds down. I saw another time where some guy got the shaft becuase of language barriers. We called her over and everything was fine. $200 pesos for 2 hours. She looked hot but sometimes above she doesn't look as as good. I had a great great session with her but i think one didn't . Who knows.

Jackson left me at Playwoman and my amiga starts trying to talk to me. I already told her I didn't want to talk to her anymore. Anyway, I talk to the GREAT waitress there. (Ask for her if you go there. Her name is Mariela) and she speaks English and is honest. Tell her Saint sent you. I have known her a long time and I gave her a christmas present of 100 pesos. She was happy.

I decided to go to Madaho's. I was happy first because the girl from yeserday was with another client. She was jumping up making a small scene. At first I didn't know she was there. Then a girl comes up talking to me saying that she was already with a client when she saw me and wanted to be with me. The other guy was upset. I don't blame him but the same situation happened to be tonight in another club.

I'll go more into it when I can even see. I'm falling asleep. It's 6 AM in the moring and I haven't slept yet. I learned now to unplug my phone and cellphone until after I get up.

More later. It's pouring out. I'm going out to dinner tomorrow night with Moondog, his amiga, Adriana, me and my novia.

Life is...well......GREAT

Saint

12-22-02, 12:35

Wow. Must not be too many Americans in BA now. I guess Jackson and I are doing all of the mongering for the "group". Ha, ha. Jackson doesn't post much but we've been having a good time. Last night was the first time out of 5 trips here that I've eaten dinner alone. The guy sitting next to me at a Parrilla looked somewhat Latin but i wasn't sure. Then I hear him say he was from Europe. He is a younger dude so I imagine he is here on business.

We start talking and he's a great guy. I invite him to go out with Jackson and I. We all go to one of the outskirt clubs. Man, very very different scene there. We also went to the further away Affaire. Something that I never heard anyone mention is there are 15 rooms above that Affaire that you can take the chica to if you don't want to go back to your hotel room. (I'm not into that but hey......do your own thing).

Our new friend, Mr. C. liked the places he was seeing. It was my first time at 2 of the places Jackson took us to. Different and worth going back to. Mr. C. wanted to hit a disco so we dropped him off at Buenos Aires News. Man oh man there were tons of hottie chicks outside waiting to get in. That place looked interesting. The taxi driver told me there were working girls to be had there. Many "girls" take Saturday off to go dancing but if they see a guy they are interested in they won't pass up the chance to make some money.

The other thing I feel it's important to mention is that I am NO BA expert or anything close to it. Yeah, I've been here a few times (ok a lot) but I haven't explored as much of the city as others. I plan to do that this week. I said it before and I'll say it again. I'm just a guy that can type fast, likes to share information, and has a few pesos in my pocket. Nothing more...nothing less.

Marisol at Playwoman looked awesome. I hope Jackson had a good time. I left shortly after him. Marisol remembered me Immediately from an earlier trip in May. It's amazing how they remember after a long time. She came up and greeted me. Nice girl. She tried hooking me up with her friend also from Mar Del Plata, Barbara. Barbara looked hot but when she brought her up to us I could see she had some issues with her skin on her face. Not ahhh. Can't do it. Bought her one drink then told her that I am gonna pass but did it in a nice way.

So I go to Madaho's. I walk in and pay the 20 peso fee for the first drink. I start talking to this pretty brunette that is a little too big for me. Then she asks my name. All of a sudden she gets this huge look on her face. She hugs me and tells me her "sister" knows me. She is the sister of the girl I saw last night. I thought she wasn't there but her sister proceeds to run back and tell her sister that I was here. Oh man. I felt wierd because she left another Argentine guy to sit with me. I told her not to do that but she said that he probably was just drinking and didn't have money. He didn't even offer to buy her a drink.

That's one thing that Jackson and I observed. These local turkeys are rude. They will almost never offer to buy a girl a drink. Anyway, I could empathize with the guy. Earlier in the night I had a wierd event. We went to that one place and I called over a girl. The waitress says it will be a few minutes. The girl never comes over. I'm shocked. But plain and simply the girl preferred local clientele. I think the price there was fixed. The place was packed so she was probably thinking why sleep with this American dude when I can sleep with tons of others I'm attracted to more. Oh well. I probably wouldn't have gone upstairs with her anyway but it would have been nice talking to her.

Some of the places seemed to have raised their prices on chica drinks. Here is the current list as of this weekend but who knows....they could be playing us:

Playwoman: 20 pesos

Affaire: 15 pesos

Hooks: 20 pesos

Ness: 10 pesos

Madaho's 20 pesos for guys/ 30 pesos for girls

Nuevo Estilo: 15 pesos

I have yet to hit Black's but probably tonight. I'm meeting Moondog at 8 PM with my amiga. I think she has to work at 12 AM or at least I hope so. I wanna hit the clubs.

Saint

12-22-02, 17:40

Hola amigos. (Hey Ezy!). Today is Sunday. It has been raining since last night. It was neat though with the view. I was watching it lightning after a marathon session with my girl from Madaho's. We watched it rain and lightning till 5:30 AM this morning. I walked her down and had trouble flagging a taxi. I got drenched but it was worth it.

Just had lunch with Havanaman. A true gentleman and a very intelligent guy. I wish I could have spent more time with him. I'm positive I'll hook up with him again in Buenos Aires or possibly Cuba. The lunch wasn't that great but the company was good. 100 peso lunch for the two of us with a generous 25% tip.

He has been romancing the non-pro girls. I think it's great. Something for everyone in BA. Also, I just checked my email and some dude I can't remember gave me the phone number of some chick he knows from BA. I'll give her a call. Why not??? I just got off the phone with a Platynum.com.ar girl. She is coming over in about an hour or so. Damn I love the internet girls. Easier than ordering a pizza and alot less calories to boot!!

Weather is cool today and rainy. I kind of like it. Good sleeping around in weather. Just bought some flowers on the street. A bunch of premium flowers that would cost $40 US in the USA was 5 pesos. I'm really starting to feel like a citizen of BA now. I'm so envious of guys like Jackson that are able to live here months at a time. (You lucky bastard..ha, ha). It's been super fun hanging out with Jackson. Another good guy that has a good personality. If any of you are in Buenos Aires you would do well to hook up with him. Buy him some dinner, a round of drinks, etc. The ability to access this site and get valuable information is worth at least that.

Anyway, I gotta rest up a little for my internet girl. Moondog called me this morning to confirm for tonight. I'm eagerly anticipating meeting him. We've talked on the phone a few times and emailed for many months. I'm not sure what we are all doing but I'm meeting him at his hotel at 8 PM.

P.S. In the principle of it's a small world. My girl from Madaho's knew Marisol and Barbara from Playwoman. They are all friends and live in the same building. It was funny when I was telling her after she asked me if I knew any girls from Mar Del Plata. Small world.

Andres

12-22-02, 23:12

Hi, all!

"Buenos Aires, nuevamente" Report, 1st issue

Forewords:
- I am a native porteño, so language is NOT an issue.
- I'm not usually into sex marathons To me, the hobby is like spice to food: It enhances the taste of life but doesn't make the core of life.
- Although I can spend some cash, I expect to behave most of the time as a savvy local, not spending too much.

Arrived today at early morning, while it was pouring. Met friends and relatives and, after a hectic morning-mid afternoon social schedule, I decided to try my possible appointment with Oriana, from Area-Vip

I called her yesterday from the US. A whistly voice told me that she was available on Sundays, that she charged ar$60 for 30 min and ar$80 for 1 hour. She also said that she performed BBBJ. From the voices and the conversations behind her, I guessed that she worked in an "apartment brothel".

The address is Ciudad de la Paz 1043 (Ciudad de la Paz St and Cespedes St) in Belgrano. ar$6 for a cab from Recoleta.

Before going there, I scheduled my visit for 6:30PM. The same girl answered without paying much attention to my questions, and sounding a little bit irritated. This arose a red flag, which forecasted the quality of the session to be had in a couple of hours.

When I arrived and met her, she was exactly as she appears in the pictures (perhaps a bigger belly, but not much noticed). As she was as beautiful as the pictures, I agreed to pay. Then, It came the first bad news: I handed a ar$100 bill to her and she told me "OK. 1 hour is ar$100". I argued a bit explaining that she quoted me ar$80 the day before, and then she said "I never talked to you yesterday" (liar, second bad news). I didn't try to be adamant in standing at ar$80, since I dont push too much (otherwise, the quality of the session severely suffers).

When in the bed, she refused DFK and I almost had to take out her clothes (perhaps she was expecting to chat the whole hour without doing her duty, bad attitute which is bad news #3). She didn't like touching her body and, when going to action, she started with a CBJ. I complained that I expected a BBBJ, but she didn't move from her position. Her technique was good but not the best I tried, so we did doggie stile. Since she had nice boobs (average size but soft and natural), I wanted to scrub her tits while doing doggie style but she didn't like to be touched in her breasts (damn!, bad news #4). After my discharge, she said she didn't do massage (bad news #5)

Then, we chatted for a while and I left.

Should I say that I don't recommend her?

Take-aways:

- Apartment-brothels are really hit or miss or, perhaps more accurately, YMMV. The problem is that you cannot break the ice before choosing and then you will find a woman in a bad day just after choosing and paying. That's a fact to be taken into account (I will repeat apartment experiences, though).

- I can understand that women have bad days (everybody has) but there is a line beyond which professional women shouln't cross: Lying, not worrying about your satisfaction as a customer, etc.

- If you go to an apartment, go with small bills. Chances are that they won't return change (as happened to me).

I hope to see some bars tonight but just to study the scene, perhaps Pueyrredon Affaire and Salomé (I have to run many errands tomorrow since Tuesday and Wednesday many public institutions will be closed). Sunday night is usually dead but... who knows?

Hope this helps.

Andres

JamesBond69

12-23-02, 00:14

Andres,

Looking forward to your posts, now that you are in Buenos Aires again and about as skilled a BA monger as there is.

Re: Prueyrredon Affaire

Jackson and I went to Prueyrredon Affaire a few weeks ago. I was a bit disappointed although Jackson thought it was worth a second visit.

It's a place for locals and the chicas are a bit below average, a bit old and trampy for my tastes but then I like the a younger GND ="girl next door" look, like the kind of chicas I find in Madahos and Blacks. The club has rooms upstairs and the price is 15 pesos entrance and abougt 80 pesos for an hour. There is also a take out price, although I didn't ask what it was since there was no one I wanted to take out.

One interesting aspect is that all the girls wear mini-skirts and sit on the bar stools, with their knees on the seats and elbows on the bar, sticking their asses up for inspections, like one of those sexy calendar shots. It's really a great site to see - a row of bar stools with six nice asses on view and worth going for that alone.

I felt that the other affair, Affaire Recoleta, has a far better selection of chicas depending on the evening; that is, it's hit or miss...but I found some real hot chicas there.

Anyway if you do go to the other Affaire on Pueyrredon I'm curious about your opinion. I'm also interested in any reports on brothels and apartment brothels, as that's an area that hasn't been covered that much in the forum and of course, any little gems like Nuevo Estilo Boliche.

PS
I wonder if there are any interesting clubs or brothels in Palermo, Hollywood? Seems like there should be, as it's a place tourists and upscale locales hang out.

Saint

12-23-02, 10:51

First of all...apologies to Jackson for not being able to hook up last night. My little Christmas party went longer than expected at the restaurant with Moondog and the other guests. It was such a good time. Even though I only had met Adrianna (the webmaster) of Platynum.com and Escorts-argentina.com she was like a dear friend. I mentioned it before. She is a wonderful person.

Moondog is exactly as I imagined. A class act and a true gentleman. I had a good time spending time with him, his date, my date, Adrianna, another guy from the board and his date, Sandy.

Adrianna was shocked at my level of Spanish. (It still sucks) but she was amazed since the first trip here I couldn't speak any. She commented about 5 times. And I also could hear her talking in Spanish to the girls about it. Ha, ha.

We met at Moondog's hotel which was pure luxury. An American based hotel. Had several drinks then headed to Plaza Mayor. I loved that place. Really neat. Imagine an intersection with four restaurants all owned by the same owner. I think seafood, beef, pasta and something else. So if you don't see something you like at one you can get something brought from another. But we were all happy with our meals. The other guy (I can't remember his screen name) was cool too. He couldn't speak Spanish though. Moondog also doesn't speak Spanish but as everyone knows...that doesn't slow him down any. Ha, ha.

Dinner was excellent! The staff was excellent. I knew Moondog had serious "pull" at this restuarant when I saw a line at least half a block long waiting to get into this place (which is a lot for a Sunday night -- typically a slower night). Moondog walked in and in a few minutes was waving us to by-pass the line. We had an excellent time. The girls couldn't believe none of us guys had met eachother before. They were amazed. Mine kept telling me we were all interacting like a group of dear friends. I replied in Spanish we were now.

Sandy looked gorgeous as ever. Moondog's girl was pretty too. Adrianna was her charming, happy-go-lucky self. I plan on taking her out to dinner when I get back from Brazil. Moondog had the good idea to get the girls gifts for Christmas. He told me Adrianna liked chocolates.

Earlier that day, I had a session with Lizzy from Escorts-argentina.com. I'm more into blondes but an Area-vip girl had to cancel and I remembered some guy telling me she was reliable so I called and she picked up first answer. She held firm on 200 pesos for 1 hour. I told her it was pricey for one hour and she told me it was pricier at $100 US before January. We joked around a little and I told her to come over. She was here at my apartment in 20 minutes. Gotta love it. When she arrived I was surprised. Her face is pretty but she was darker than I prefer. She just got back from vacation and was tanning. I mean REALLY tanning. She showed me her tanlines and this girl is normally a ghost! No matter. That didn't stop me.

We talked for a while and kissed. Then she gave me a massage. Then we had a great marathon session. The only negative was that it was a CBJ. Oh well..it was so good I didn't mind. The other thing is she loves posing for the camera. She loves dressing up in sexy bras and panties. I snapped tons and she even gave me her email address and promised to have me send her them. They looked pretty good on my screen of digital camera. She stayed for 1 hour 45 minutes and I only paid her the 200 pesos. She is from Peru and was going back tomorrow. She made me promise to call her again.

Afterwards I had to go to the mall to buy gifts. Luckily the shopping mall is right next to me. Patio Bullrich is a luxury mall that is equivalent to many luxury malls in the USA. Not a cheap place. Upper-end stores. I got Adrianna a gift basket of chocolates at a high end chocolate shop equivilent to Godiva probably but more expensive. And my girl some perfume. Note. Buy perfume in the usa before coming. Perfume must have some huge import tax too. A big bottle of Calvin Klein perfume was 340 pesos. Maybe it's that pricey in the US but I don't think so.

I had to rush home and shower and by the time I got out my girl was at my door. She opened her gift and was touched I would buy her a present. She melted..... That's the thing with these girls. If you're a good guy and they can see it you'll get a different sort of treatment. Off we went to meet Moondog and crew.

After dinner we came back to my place. I planned on going to the clubs with Jackson but by this point it was 12:30 PM. I had a session with my girl and we said our goodbyes. She was headed to Mar Del Plata in the morning. I gave her money and she didn't want it but I told her to take it for her trip. She quickly agreed...LOL.

Life is so wonderful. I can't even begin to tell you guys that have never been here what it's like. I woke up at 8 AM today to a beautiful day. I have so many things to do today. I'm still tired but at least I got a few hours of sleep last night which I desperately needed. That guy with us last night commented how red my eyes are. I joked that I always have red eyes in BA because I rarely sleep.

More later. I love having this high speed internet in my apartment. It's so easy to post.

Andres

12-23-02, 18:07

Report, 2nd issue

Yesterday night, after a hectic day full of visits and re-encounters and having flown in a plane full of crying babies adn families returning home for the holidays, I should have called it a day but I didn't. The inner drive to meet the old places was strong enough to go out.

By midnight, I headed towards Pueyrredon Affair. I was charged $10 for the entrance fee. I got surprised when I saw 20+ guys and 12 girls, unusual for a Sunday night. Later, a girl told me that the place will be closed tomorrow (due to Chistmas eve), so guys and girls were partying for the "lost Tuesday night". Go figure...

I saw pretty girls, for my standard. Some of them were blondes with slim figures and huge (and perhaps enhanced) breasts. Price and attitudes remain the same: ar$70 for 30 minutes and ar$100 for 45 minutes. Girls continue to approach, sit over you and grab your instrument while rubbing her bodies to yours.

Many of them were doable, so I approached a girl called Alejandra, from Tuculman province. she was a little chubby compared to the rest, but had nice legs and huge natural breasts. I asked the BBBJ question, which she responded favorably. So we went upstairs for a 30 minutes session.

She provided good service. The only downside is that her concept of BBBJ was to lick it on the side and never suck the scrotum. I had to tell her that I wanted a full BBBJ, so we negotiated a ar$30 more for it. She started doing a very good BBBJ but warned me not to do it until completion in her mouth. After oral, there was a little bit of doggie style, an anal intent (because of a narrow hole), and a stand position. After that, a poor massage.

Overall, good experience but not a repeat.

Today was frantic. Too many hassles dealing again with the Argentine bureaucracy from 8AM to 3PM, but that's it for the trip. Not bad after all, since it was not even of 10% of a nightmare as the one of December 2001, when I had to withdraw money from accounts and investment founds and spend it befor the peso devaluated.

Will take a nap and, for sure, do something tonight.

Guys, you have to see the grin in my face... Buenos Aires is again at my hand :-)

Hope this helps,

Andres

Saint

12-23-02, 21:40

No time for long posts today. Had a VERY busy day. Been on the go since 9 AM. Non-stop. I just extended my trip until January 18th!!!! I'm here a whole month. I don't ever want to go back to the USA.

Exchange rate today is 3.41 to $1 US. Temperature is in the low 80's today with a nice breeze and sunny.

Spent most of the day with Mayri of www.argentinago.com. She is a GREAT friend. She helped me with a ton of stuff today including getting my 2nd apartment. Oh my God. This apartment is luxury. As luxurious as any apartment on Park Avenue in NYC. I'm amazed! It is a one bedroom two bathroom apartment in Recoleta. It's NOT cheap but I think I will rent it out to American companies that send their executives here on business. I've made so many contacts here since I started coming here. I meet people pretty easily.

I'll also mention that I told Mayri to start charging for her services. Now she is booking tickets for air travel and not charging a fee even though she has to take a taxi to downtown and sit in an office and wait to get tickets. I went with her and easily waited 35 minutes. Time is money..Oh well..i hope she listens to me.

Getting my visa from the Brazillian embassy was a hassle. They are very rude for the most part and I feel lucky to have gotten my visa today since they are only open 1/2 a day tomorrow and closed Thursday. I'm gonna extend my Rio trip now to spend a few more days with my amigos. 11 days in Rio and 19 days in Buenos Aires. Life is truly good.

Met Moondog in Cafe Orleans to say goodbye to him. A great guy. I called American Airlines when I got back and they said they could change my ticket but for the difference in price. They wanted $1200 US!!! Before I left they wanted $2700 US!!! What gives???? I remembered passing an AA office here in BA so I took a taxi there and saw a hottie. I started talking to her and explaining my love for the city and my need to stay longer. It took some convincing but she changed my ticket for $200 US!!! I love BA. I recommend if you want to change your itinerary do NOT call the US #. Call AA here in BA or stop at their local office near Florida Street. Their local # is 4318-1111.

I am soooo loving life right now. Did I mention that? I'm the luckiest dawg in the world. No doubt about it. I have a date in a few hours with a hottie.

Life is good.

P.S. It was funny because both Moondog and the other guy, Mr. L. asked if the girl last night was my girlfriend. Moondog's girl told him that my girl told the girls she was my novia and NOT a working girl. She wants me to fly to Mar Del Plata when I get back from Rio to meet her parents!! Yikes. I'm not sure what it is but these Latin girls always want me to meet their parents. Oh well. Probably not a good idea.

Dashing Don

12-23-02, 21:42

Saint,
First off, I enjoy reading your posts as I'm sure many others do. Your joie de vivre is infectious. I'm fascinated by the great reports from BA. But I feel like I'm missing something. I have been in BA in '96 and '99 but not to monger. I enjoyed the great steaks, italian food, the ambience of the city and the charms of a nonprofessonal that I met at a tango class. And I speak a decent amount of spanish but I never considered it in the same league as Thailand or the Philippines
In places like Pattaya, you are surrounded by sex workers, massage parlors and beer bars. Most of the girls are friendly and few display a professional attitude. I always have a lot of laughs with the girls and thoroughly myself. The prices are very reasonable by American standards and there is an atmosphere of "joyous amorality" to quote the NY Times. This combination of sheer availability and good fun is heady stuff and makes the long trip worthwhile.
BA on the other hand, sounds a lot like NYC. The escort service routine sounds the same, complete with haggling over price and minute/hours involved. It doesn't sound like you can get a girl to hang with you for a day/week/month, like in Asia.
On the asian boards, there is much discussion about caucasian men falling love with Thai women. Many of the girls are very sweet and it is easy to do. Does the same hold true for the portenos?
What is the great attraction of BA: is it the Argentine culture or the physicality of the women or something else that turns you on.
Don

High on Hobbyin

12-24-02, 09:42

elricardo
Try the following sites for apartments: www.buenosairesapartments.com and www.alojargentina.com . I can't vouch for them as I found them recommended from a site called www.virtualtourist.com . This site has alot of fluff, but a few gems of info here and there. Note: it's not a monger site so play nice these pc people (Politically Correct people for those of you not familiar with US acronyms). I'll bet Saint's friend Mayri at Argentinago.com could help you too!

I found these sites while researching for my first trip to BA. If I remember reading correctly you're going to be out there in February. I'm also trying to visit BA in mid February 2003, but am be having some personal problems. Thus I may need to postpone my trip -damn! Anyway I'm hoping that you and I don't share the same taste in apartments or I may be sorry I gave up these addresses prior to booking my own pad! Just kidding!

I thought a few of these apartments really look cool, but I'm not familiar with the neighborhoods - re: safety at night, availability of taxis (especially at night), proximity of shops and restaurants, proximity to the various bars this site frequents and quality of the neighborhoods. Anyone have any details on the following barios: Puerto Madero, Palermo, Belgrano and/or Hollywood?

Also has anyone found a decent online map of BA and Mar del Plata? I'm looking for both a street level detail map as well as a map with major streets and neighborhoods. Most I've found have been scanned at low resolution so that the street names are not legible. Or they're a street level detail map of a specific section of a neighborhood. ...Too close, leaving me lost relative to other neighborhoods or landmarks. OK, enough whining from me. Happy hunting! ... Apartment hunting that is!

Saint

12-24-02, 12:53

Dashing Don,

I will NEVER go to Thailand. That I'm sure of. I love BA as much or more for the city than the chicas. I'm beginning to fall more in love with the city and it's people day by day. The architecture, the way of life, the spirit of the people here is amazing. I think it's actually good there was the financial crash. It's bringing people to a certain type of reality about their country.

I've discovered new things about the city. I've ventured off to other parts of the city than Recoleta. Palermo, and Belgrano are two beautiful parts of the city. There are so many other parts that I am going to visit.

Now that I'm here I will probably start posting less and less. I wish you all the best of luck and a happy holidays.

Chau.

Bandy

12-24-02, 15:33

Saint,

I admire your posts and my last trip to BA was greatly enhanced by prior reading of your adventures. But would'nt you agree with the old axiom that "variety is the spice of life"? I go to Thailand, few times a year. I love Costa Rica and now fell in love with BA. In my view asian women are most feminine, american women don't know what the word means and latin women are in between. You will hardly find a Thai girl walking naked in your room. They come out of the bathroom with a towel wrapped as tightly as possible and you have to coax them to remove it even under the cover. They are always taking showers, before and after the deeds, and always smell good. It is a well known fact that asian women have perfected the art of "Kamasutra" and will try to please a man until their last breath. This is in stark contrast to western culture which brings back to my original issue regarding "variety". After spending enough time with non-asian women, I look forward to this change. Afterall, human being always hate the stalemate, it is the change which is real aphrodisiac in life. Like you are currently experiencing a new life in BA as opposed to good old USA. Again I like to stress, this is my personal opinion and I understand not everybody will agree with me. Have a wonderful holiday season. Peace be on Earth. Under the current situation, this is of paramount importance wherever we choose to practice our hobby.

Bandy

Saint

12-24-02, 18:45

Quick update. Had a nice lunch with Jackson at a stylish restaurant in Patio Bullrich. Good meal and good conversation. I showed him my apartment and we tried to look at my other one but it wasn't available to see (concierge wasn't there...only security guard). I love that building.

I'm seeing Sandy in about 30 minutes. I'm good friends with her now. My CRAZY friend from Playwoman keeps calling me. She just stopped by but I told her to leave. I pushed her out the door. Literally. I gotta tell the doorman to call me first. I'm seeing so many girls they just send them up. Gotta fix that.

Variety is the spice of life but I'm NOT into Asian women at all. Like I said before..I wouldn't do one for free. Just a personal preference.

I also want to mention one thing. Anyone that uses the services of Roxanna needs to compensate her appropriately. You guys don't realize all the time some of these people spend helping us. Their time is valuable too. Don't be a cheap ass. If she or anyone else in BA helps you alot them pay them accordingly no matter what they are charging. I generally overtip and I know that can seem foolish and adds up but if they are good I do and will continue to do so. Do the same thing with her. She will save you money. If she does a good job then slip her some more money at the end of your stay. (By some I don't mean $5 or $10 US.....).

Most guys that come here are generous guys but I have run into some cheap asses that I wouldn't want to hang out with again. Personally if I'm at a club with some guy that doesn't even tip the waitress then odds are I will probably never hang out with them again. That is just the honest truth.

I have a Christmas party to go to tonight with my hottie normal girl from last night. Also, I want to mention that if you want to romance a girl take her to Morena Restaurant near the local airport (Jorge Newbury airport). I don't think they have an address but I'll post when I find out. Man, it's right on the river. You literally have to drive out onto a dock and the restaurant is located ON the river. GREAT scenery. You'll impress a chica at this place. Not a cheap place for BA standards but for US Standards of course it's cheap. With tip it was 250 pesos for 2 of us. Salads, wine, entrees, appetizers, dessert, drinks, tip. One of the most romantic restaurants I've ever been in and I've been in quite a few around the world.

Good luck and Happy Holidays.

Andres

12-24-02, 19:08

Report, 3rd issue

As requested by fellow mongers, on Monday night I visited some off-the-beaten-path boliches.

I joined the escorts59 forum in Spanish (very informative in some way but clogged with fake messages that are actually ads) and learned that many boliche that I thought have been gone forever are again on the move. So I came back there.

Medrano 81: I don't think that visitors would dare to walk in there: A lousy building with bad lighted stairs to the first floor. Really scary, since it looks like a rip-off hole. Entrance is ar$5 (valid for one drink). Once inside, for my dismay, I saw 8 horrible girls (ghastly may be a more accurate word): Fat, short, badly dressed girls (2.5/10 average). Just drank my coke and left for

OBA OBA: Rivadavia Av between Matheu St and Alberti St. Another sketchy building (not as scary as the one above but somewhat scary). The place didn't change decoration since 1994, I guess (as if I went yesterday for the last time...). But the girls (12 or so) changed, since they were really substandard: No curves, short (except for a few Dominicans) and not classy at all. Entrance is ar$5, 30 minutes is ar$40 and 45 minutes, ar$60 or so.

Only one of them got my attention: A peruvian girl whose name is Celeste. She is petite (5"0' or so), had average natural breasts and an hourglass shape. She tryed her best to seduce me, but since she was adamant in doing only CBJ, I refused. Then, she told me that no girl there does BBBJ, that she may have laid to me and cheat me by not holding her promise, since management requires condom use for everything. It's likely that she was sincere, so I called Oba Oba a "miss" and left. Again, I don't recommend the place for fellow mongers.

I was about to come back to Constitucion, to the boliche located near the corner of Garay Av and Santiago del Estero St (between santiago del Estero St and Salta St), but didn't dare to spend money and take the risk to see another cheap place with ugly girls.

SALOME: Went to ol' Salome, instead. There were about 15-20 girls, most of them a 5-6s and a few 7-9s (quality seems to have decreased a bit since July) . I saw my favorite (Debora) being taken when I just arrived (damn!) so I waited for her while chatting with other girls. Meanwhile, I observed through the tinted windows the movement at the new boliche in the opposite corner (Havana Vip). For 3 hours, I didn't see many girls coming in and out of Havana Vip, so I doubt about the mongering status of that place.

I met a girl called Sol, with above average boobs, nice body and great attitude in the bar. She is 5"4' or so, blonde (perhaps dyed) and suggestively dressed with tight pants and bra. Perhaps I will try her during this week. Didn't ask for services rendered.

Since Debora didn't come back by 4AM (I just wanted to say hello and get her new cell phone number, too tired for a long session typical of her), I paid for my soda ($10), left the place and headed towards the "safebase" (Pueyrredon Affair).

PUEYRREDON AFFAIRE: The same girls as the night before, packed with guys and loud music. I approached several girls (non-memorable names, I just remember Claudia from the Misiones province) who refused to perform BBBJ and the such. Left empty-handed by 5AM and went to sleep since I had more errands to do on Tuesday Morning.

On the way back home, I saw a place open at Ayacucho St 1272 or similar called Stars or similar. It seemed a lousy take-out bar. I will investigate it next week.

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Today, given the low BBBJ successful ratio of my last-2-days experiences, I went to Cielo, the apartment-brothel located in Larrea 1072. I didnt' find it as nice as described here before because the girls (7 of them this afternoon) were barely 5-6s from my point of view. Only one caught my atention, a curly redhead called Sol. She had great body, nice legs and average but firm boobs (later found to be enhanced). I agree on the $150 price for 1 hour with BBBJ.

She performed an average BBBJ (not bad but not memorable) , doggie style and a very poor masage afterwards. Not bad, but not a repeat for sure. The place is really clean.

Tonight, I may go to Flores (La Nuit-Dollys is said to be open) to revisit old places. Maybe La Fuente is also open. Who knows...

Hope this helps,

Andres

Andres

12-25-02, 14:03

Report, 4th issue.

Christmas night was too quiet.

I left the family dinner by 1:30AM and went to Flores. Despite my paranoia about robberies and kidnappings, I drove the car.

I decuded to visit first La Nuit, in Flores (Directorio Av between San Pedito Av and La Fuente Av). Contrary to what they advertised, the place was closed for Christmas night. However, "Liza" (the place located in the opposite walkway to La Nuit/Dollys) was open and so I walked in.

LIZA: Entrance ar$5, including 1 drink. There were 6 girls or so, most of them dressed in Santa Claus style bikinis. They had below average looks (let's say, 4-5s) but I have to recognize that the quality improved respect to July.

Several girls approached me, and one of them may be interesting to foreigners. Her name is Valeria and she speaks English. She said taht she lived for 5 years in Miami. She started speaking English and mentioned that a couple of Americans and British guys visited Liza a couple of days ago and one of them went out with her (one of the readers, perhaps?). Valeria could be described as a big woman (tall, perhaps 5"10', robust) with a nice face. A little chubby for my taste but may work for you, guys. I left Liza and went to

CAMOON: JB Alberdi Av between San Pedrito Av and La fuente Av. Just 2 blocks from Liza, this place didn't change much from the times it was called Monaco (3-4 years ago). There were 8 girls, most of them well below average (one of them had her underwear hidden by her belly and had more makeup applied to her face than a cheap salsa dancer from North Miami Beach), let's say 3-4s. In fact, a real girl next door stood out and called her, just to find out that she was the waitress. So, I left and visited the Flores scene by car.

- SWs: No sign of life. Perhaps a couple of TVs, but not my cup of tea.

- JB Justo zone: Scorpions and Maraha remain closed (seems forever) while Top Secret and the corner of Artigas and JB Justo were open. Through an untinted window, I perceived that the corner bar had at most 2 girls for the night, so I decide to skip the place. Didn't try Top Secret either.

- Rivadavia and San Pedrito zone: Manhattan, la Fuente and Envidia were closed. The avenue was pretty dead for a Christmas night, really unusual for my previous experience.

So much for Flores... where to go?

SALOME: The place was open but, for my dismay, I entered and saw 40 middle aged guys listening tangos (did it turned into a gay place, or were they kidding?). The receptionist told me that the night was dead, that I should come tomorrow (by today). So I left as a sad dog without its bone.

The Pueyrredon and Cordoba zone is located very close to Salome, so I visited it. La Saison and Affaire were closed, and no sign of life in the streets. Damn!

What about Recoleta?

Went there and everything was closed: Madaho's, Solid Gold, Playwoman, Sodoma. No SWs, and no people in Recoleta's streets on a holiday's eve (no kidding).

What about Suipacha St?

Catto's, Ness, Hook and Montecarlo were closed, so I called it a night and headed back home.

The upsode is that I had a much needed sleep since my arrival, so I'm in a much better shape for tonight.

Hope to have better luck tonight and that it helps.

Andres

rob_roy5

12-25-02, 15:42

Hello everybody,
just a quick note to wish all BA mongers a Merry Christmas and happy New Year.

Cheers, RO

Andres

12-26-02, 06:54

Report, 5th Issue

Flores and Salome

During the day, I tried to spot semi-pros at Corrientes Av and Santa Fe Av, without luck. The streets were pretty empty of people, despite the good weather.

For those looking for good men apparel, Master (Callao 1070) makes tailored suits for ar$690 (any kind of foreign cashmere, usually British and Italian). At Santa Fe 1825, there is a taylored shirts store that makes shirts from Swiss voile and Italian cotton ranging from ar$90 to ar$150.

By 11:30PM, I feel so impatient that I took the car keys and run towards Flores. This time, La Nuit was open. Entrance fee ar$7, including 1 drink. Inside, just a bunch of girls, but of much btter quality than Liza and other places. The bar manager told me that there are usually 30 girls available, but tonight there were ony 10. Of these, 8 were 4-5s and 2 of them were 6-7. $25 for 15 minutes, $50 30 minutes and $100 for 1 hour.

Two girls to take into account:

- Jessica: A chubby, not very pretty girl (5 in my scale) but willing to do ANTHING. She said "satisfaction guaranteed, everything goes". Wow.

- Judith: A Paraguayan girl with a awesome body (perhaps a real 95-60-95), average looking face. She provided greek but CBJ.

Since the night was just starting, I didn't take the offer so early. I will revisit for sure, perhaps tomorrow (chances are that Ii will find 1 or 2 stunners among 30 girls) After La Nuit, I went to

LA FUENTE (La Fuente Av between RL Falcon St and Rivadavia Av, blue neon lights). I climbed the stairs and got a nasty surprise: the place was full of guys and no girls. I was afraid to be robbed or something, but the bartender told me "No girls today, brother", so I left the place.

Before going to Downtown, I passed by Envidia (Argerich St and Rivadavia Av). It was open, but many girls sit outside the boliche breathing fresh air, so I guess that no many customers and girls.

On the way to Downtown, I passed by Venezuela St and Boedo Av. Partenon and Aloha were closed (seems forever).

On Downtown, the Suipacha stret strip was fully closed. A few ugly SWs on Carlos Pellegrini St and Paraguay St, and no girls on Exedra.

Where to go?
To Salomé!

There, Debora didn't show up but Sol did, very charming and seductive. She took her drinks and joked a little while with me. She's from misiones province, has beautiful big natural breasts and nice legs (perhaps she needs more curves, and has an after-baby-born belly). I give her an 8. She told me that all the girls charge ar$100 for a 2 hour session, plus the ar$20 bar fee (2 girl drinks).

She promised to perform BBBJ (but she pointed out that this was an exception), so we went to an hotel. There, she gladly stood over her promise and performed an awesome BBBJ, followed by stand position and doggie style (my favorites, as you may know by now). She performes a good massage and then, since she had a very beautiful skin (as Misioneras usually have) I provided her with a nice massage (I believe it was nice). She was so happy that she looked for a secnd condom and, as she couldn't not find it. she provided me with one of the best BBBJTC I ever received.

Yesssss!

Left her back in Salome 45 minutes ago, and now I'm writing (and ending) this report.

Hope this helps,

Andres

ezy

12-26-02, 14:48

ro,

I am not Andres, but If you promise not to overspend I will give you the address.....

Salome (Sal-oh-may). Cordoba y Billinghurst, on the corner. Don't bother going before 10.

Havana is a supper club on the opposite side of the street. SF_****** and I were told at the door that the chicas (and there were many attractive ones the night we were there) were only available as dinner companions in the club...but others have posted that as many as 50% of the girls will also leave with guys....

ezy

El Ricardo

12-27-02, 13:09

HoH,
Thanks for the recommendations for short term apartment searches in BA. I'm planning to be there for two weeks in February. I am arranging my flight and enrollment in one of the language schools now.

As a way on introducing myself to this forum, I have been travelling to Argentina for the past three years (~4 times/year) for business. I've taken up a couple of hobbies along the way: learning the language, and "chica-ing" I've gotten to know Adriana this past year, and consider her a good friend. She is always helpful and direct...refreshing! I've travelled a little around Argentina, this last time I went to Iguazu Falls and took Aixa with me. It was perfect for my two hobbies since she speaks no English. That made it intensive!

My problem with all of this is that I find these ladies so lovely and charming that I want to fall in love with them all and take them home with me! I've generally used the Platynum forum for linking up with these ladies since my travels to Argentina take me through BA to Mendoza province...thus my stays in BA have been brief....except for the vacation times that I tack on to mis holidays! I have run into a few that I think don't belong in the same class with the Platynum ladies, but that will take care of itself. Adriana recommended that I use the Escortsbaires.com link since the Platynum service requires a payment from the ladies. So I've tried to constrain myself to this service (not too Difficult!) There is one exception...Wendy in Platynum really gets my attention!

I realize there isn't much content here about which ladies or where I've been to share on theis forum. I will do more when I learn how to do it. I don't want to say anything that is either compromising or dis-respectful to these ladies.
Te hablare' pronto?
ElRicardo

Andres

12-28-02, 18:27

Report, 6th issue

Non-pro Thursday and Salomé Friday.

On Thursday, I had a date, which is off topic and won't report it. However, there are couple of details that are worth to be mentioned:

- "FILO", ITALIAN RESTAURANT: Located very close to Cafe Orleans (San Martin St between Paraguay St and MT Alvear St) this restaurant serves very good Italian food. 2 entrees plus wine for ar$40. The ambience is casual, not vey romantic but cozy. Pasta was really superb.

- RAMPA CAR (Ravignani St between Cordoba Av and Cabrera Av) a nice hotel for those who have cars. More expensive than conventional hotels ($40-50 for 3 hours), this hotel is built as a parking lot with the rooms in the core of the building, so you drive to your car in, park iit next to your assigned room and pay at the exit when you leave, as if you were in a cashiers booth. Very clean, discreet and conveneint. Close to Rio Cabaña, also (boliche located at Cordoba Av and Thames St, or close to that intersection).

On Friday, I repeated the circuit La Nuit-La Fuente-Ness-Cattos-Salome. Here are the findings:

LA NUIT: 25+ girls, most of them 4-5s and a few 6-7s. There was a girl called Caroline, a gorgeous blonde with huge boobs and nice body who could be tagged as an 8. Guys, you have to see her coming in and ut of the bar with guys systematically every 20 minutes. I guess that she is "doable", but in a more quiet day than Friday.

There were about 250-300 guys, most of them coming for a beer or watching the strip show. They were pesters, disturbing girls and patrons and making difficult to move around.

La Nuit merits a last visit in 2 weeks during weekdays. I will try to report by then.

LA FUENTE: The doorman told me "More than 10 girl", but in 60-75 minutes I was there I only spotted 4 girls who qualify as 5-6s. One of them told me that prices were ar$50 for 30 minutes nd ar$90 for 1 hour, plus the ar$10 of the hotel nearby.

I may come back, but not sure.

NESS: Arrived by 3AM. ar$12 a drink, and ar$18 for exit fees for girls. there were around 15 girls, most of them 5-6s. Just a girl from Entre Rios was a 7 called Viviana. She had a bad attitude and average face but nice body, so not doable.

CATTOS: 10-15 girls ranging from 4 to 6. ar$10 the man's drink. No girl called my attention. On girl with japanese traits started talking to me in English. Not mremorable, but may be convenient for non-Spanish speakers.

SALOME: Arrived by 4:15AM. 15+ girls, most of them 5-7s. Debora arrived a coupe of munutes after I, but there were guys waiting for her (damn! she became too popular, I guess). At least, I could chat with her a couple of words. Charming as an angel, as usual.

One girl, called Alejandra (a 6 or 7, depends) called my attention. Very sift skin (moistured with J&J's baby oils), nice body (but a bra that hides small breasts), somewhat cold but nice attitude and honest. She promised BBBJ, so we went to the hotel nearby. She was so good at BBBJ (or I was so tired) that it became a BBBJTC. For ar$120, a little expensive but... whatever.

Came back home by 6AM (the sun rose by then). Sleep needed for the hot like hell weather and the excessive mongering activity (I should slow my pace or I will burn myself out).

Hope this helps,

Andres

JamesBond69

12-28-02, 21:41

Dear Andres,

Again thanks for your excellent reports.

I'm curious...

Since you went to Ness and Catto's why you didn't you check out (or mention?) Hook's also, since it's just next door to Cattos?

I found Hooks to have the best selection of these three downtown clubs, but then that's my personal taste for young slim girl next door types.

Also, somewhere in Buenos Aires there must be a FIVE STAR (discrete?) club and/or brothel for the local elite ie politicians, industrialists, etc, as opposed to Blacks, which is primarily for tourists.

I know of the existence of escort "books" with photos of models and tv stars at five star hotels...I wonder if there is a club/brothel equivalent in Buenos Aires, sort of like the Heidi Fleiss operation in Beverly Hills, if you get my drift? I'm sure something like this must exist.

Dickhead

12-28-02, 22:55

I will be in BA in nine days and I thought I might start with a matinee from escorts b aires. So I inquire about the following gals who look appealling:

Anael #8, Sandy #9, Bunny #15, Adriana #18 (what does it mean "available in USA only"?; that makes no sense to me), Bruna #27, Saida #41, and Aixa #48.

Any experience with any of these?

Andres

12-29-02, 00:23

jamesbond69:

In fact, I mistook Hook for Ness. In issue 6th, wherever says "Ness" should be read "Hook".

Respect to the 5 star brothel, I compare your search with that of the Spaniard colonizers who seeked for El Dorado: A utopic adventure. As far as I know, there is no such thing as a 5 star brothel in Buenos Aires. Otherwise, I should have known by now.

Whay may exist (as I knew from the scandal of Pata Villanueva in a party organized for financial executives) are model casting agencies that organize "special parties" in a disco or country club.

Hope this helps.

Andres

lotsafun

12-29-02, 03:18

Originally posted by Dickhead
I will be in BA in nine days and I thought I might start with a matinee from escorts b aires. So I inquire about the following gals who look appealling:

Anael #8, Sandy #9, Bunny #15, Adriana #18 (what does it mean "available in USA only"?; that makes no sense to me), Bruna #27, Saida #41, and Aixa #48.

Any experience with any of these?

Sandy - quite enjoyable, 150 Pesos, 1 Hr, 250 Pesos 2Hr. CBJ, though.

Recommend as a better value, #33 Gema, not-stop DFK and enthusiastic rider, really works it for a second shot on goal (2nd "date") CBJ. 100 pesos the hour. Went 1hr 20 min on the second session.

See my previous post in early December for a few of others.

Re "USA only", she's stationed in the US, not in Argentina. From my reading on rubro59, that means expensive American Escort pricing.

DownBA

12-29-02, 05:50

Dickhead, make sure to check out Sandy's pics on Playtnum.com too because those pics really capture her amazing beauty whereas in my opinion the ones in escortsbaires really don't do her justice. Trust me on this with Sandy, take her out for a nice dinner and attempt to get to know her as a person first, and I'm not talking about a quick glass of champagne in your hotel room before you start having sex with her....then watch the cover come off the bj and watch your review of this little Peruvian gem go right off the chica meter! And watch her ask for 150P after a 3-1/2 hour session with multiple pops....try pleasing her too, she LOVES to be pleased and just sit back and watch her return your efforts ten fold. Just trust me, I know from experience and this chica will show you a textbook example of "your mileage will vary" if you have a nice time with her first outside of the bedroom.

I also highly recommend Gabriela from escortsbaires and platynum (sorry, don't know the numbers off the top of my head, but seek and ye shall find), utterly beautiful Brazilian with legs a mile long and in person she also looks every bit as nice as she does in the internet shots. She has a totally sexy Brazilian accent when she speaks Spanish and this in and of itself is worth the price of admission with this honey; ditto for taking Gabriela out for a little while and showing some interest in her before the interest in the carnal knowledge starts, but, hey, this is simply my mo and one that has paid great dividends and one that I feel is time-honored by now! Have a great time in BA you lucky bastard, I'm beginning to get green with envy now that I know that you're soon going to be in the arms of the incredible, edible Sandy, who in my humble opinion deserves to be the poster girl for the Argentinian Escort Association, she's that awesome! Happy Buenos Airessing! DownBA

CityDude

12-29-02, 06:53

Originally posted by Dickhead
I will be in BA in nine days and I thought I might start with a matinee from escorts b aires. So I inquire about the following gals who look appealling:

Anael #8, Sandy #9, Bunny #15, Adriana #18 (what does it mean "available in USA only"?; that makes no sense to me), Bruna #27, Saida #41, and Aixa #48.

Any experience with any of these?

Bunny/Indiana/ is silcone enhanced, expensive and all business. However, she is smart, intelligent. Once the time is up, she's vamoose.

Saida is OK, Maria Christina did a very good half-day for me. YMMV

Available in USA means, she is travelling to US and will charge local (US) rates.

El Ricardo

12-29-02, 12:07

Dickhead,
I agree with the remarks about Bunny/Indiana...while my time wasn't necessarily rushed with her, I did find it pretty much business like. Also, she's added a few pounds since the picture was taken. Two other really good experiences: Gema and Elani. Both provided BBBJ and DFK. Time not rushed, and second round available. I would not recommend Lolita. She is as represented in the pictures, but couldn't stick to the agreement of U$S 250 for 24 hour period...started working for a tip or a shopping trip. When I told Adriana (@Escortbaires) about wanting to share an experience with someone who would stick to the plan, she recommended Aixa. I have seen Aixa and think she's a class act.

MRLA,
Sure! Lets hook up for a meal at least.

I'm still looking for a place to stay. I haven't recieved any responses to my queries yet. I am attending a school located at Avenida Eduardo Madero 1020 (near Puerto Madero)...anybody have recommendations for this location (a little over two weeks duration.)
thanks,
ER
ps it can be 80's to high 90's during this time period (and very humid.)

DownBA

12-29-02, 12:37

Elricardo, Dickhead and others: I want to share a tactic for a much better value for your buck that I stumbled upon. If you arrange for a Saturday night "tln" and you treat the girl nicely and establish some chemistry, often when Sunday morning comes around you'll find that the girl has no plans and will spend the entire day with you strolling around town, window shopping, letting you buy her a blouse or something inexpensive, eating out with you (all of which will cost next to bloody nothing with the exchange rate) and of course coming back to your hotel occasionally and fucking your brains out and surprise.....she might do all of this with you for 150P because she really isn't "working" Sunday! She might even refuse money from you on Sunday if you did your preliminary work well Saturday night and especially if you took as good care of her as she did you! I did this with Sandy, incidentally, paid her 500P for toda la noche Saturday night and then spent all day and night with her Sunday and Monday morning when I asked her how much money she wanted I nearly fainted when she said 150P!!! I kid you not gentlemen, and I had bbbj, DFK and Daty to my heart's content during those 36 hours. Total number of shots and reloads during this period.....sorry, I lost track! Try it guys, I think you'll like it. DownBA

EZE_Amante

12-29-02, 15:40

Starfe you are one smooth devil...hang on while I jot these down...hmmm

One question, if you pay alot more do they think you're more handsome and your dick is bigger?

EZE :)

Seriously though, Downba, I had the same experience with one of my favorites my last trip. I took her to a movie, then to a cafe for drinks, we walked throught the park and I had an artist do a sketch of her, and all this cost less than 100p. After, we returned to the hotel and had a marathon session. She stayed until early morning, and had been with me almost twenty hours by the time she left. When I asked her how much, she replied she doesn't work on Sunday, it was free and just for fun. I slipped 500p cab fare into her purse anyway, and I still felt like it was a bargain.

Dickhead

12-29-02, 17:23

OK boys, I have struck Bunny from the list. If I want businesslike and silicone I would go to Las Vegas. Gema's picture did not interest me but now I have viewed her other pix and she is definitely sexy. Sandy sounds like fun too. I will try to tag them both. Keep those reviews coming.

Andres

12-30-02, 04:10

Report, issue 7th.

Nothing on Saturday and La Nuit on Sunday

I caught up with sleep and let Saturday night pass by.

On Sunday, I met Jackson and we chatted about personal experiences and opinions. Nice guy, down-to-earth.

By 11PM, I called Cindy of Sensualbaires, which actually had the same number as Bonne Femme (where she appears as Celeste). I wanted to schedule a 1 hr session (ar$100, 90 minutes for ar$150), located near Santa Fe Av and Ayacucho St, but she was available only after 12:30AM, so I decided to look for far away places.

First, I went to Yamila (Pavon Av and Galicia Av, in Avellaneda) but the place seemed closed, as I was told. A pity, since it looked like renewed on the outside. Too bad. I may not return to the area when raining, since Pavon Av was flooded due to clogged sewage draining systems. I escaped from the zone and headed towards Liniers.

I arrived at Liniers in 30 minutes, which was full of Police presence. I saw the boliche at General Paz Av and Ventura Bosch St open, with blue neon lights and a fake lion in the entrance (similar to those of Liza's entrance, in Flores). The place was sorounded by a lot of poor teenagers, so I didn't dare to park and check the place, although a guard watches the cars for a small fee. Perhaps, I will come back but by taxi.

When coming back home, I decided to visit La Nuit. I parked in front of the building and walked in. There were 15 girls, all of them spotted during my previous visits. Carolina, the (fake) blonde was available and willing to talk to me. She smiled when she knew that I remembered her name. Her tits, which seemed enhanced, were fully natural (a 36DD, good!). She looked pretty nice and promised to do what I wanted. For ar$60 we went to the apartments around the corner fior 30 minutes.

There, she performed a nice BBBJ followed by CBJ and doggie style. She put the extra mile, sometimes pushing very hard and sucking the hell out of me. With such effort, I came in a few minutes, after which she provided a very good massage.

For ar$60, very good value. Let's see what I try tomorrow.

Hope this helps,

Andres

Andres

12-30-02, 15:40

jamesbond69:

As I explained in a previous issue, La Nuit charges ar$7 for the entrance fee, including 1 drink. The basic fee for 30 minutes is ar$50 if using the low-quality rooms downstairs or ar$60 if using the "higher-quality" rooms upstairs (not for a honeymoon night, certainly). The girl didn't ask for any additional for the BBBJ.

Hope this helps,

Andres

Andres

12-31-02, 06:08

Report, 8th issue

Some early experience - Jackson, Leo and Andres discovering BA on Monday night.

During the day, I run errands and saw that Lavalle 951 was closed.

If you want to visit a typical coffee shop of the 50s in Buenos Aires, go to La Giralda (Corrientes Av 1455). There, you can get an awesome hot chocolate (even in Summer is good) and nice churros. Wooden chairs, marble tables, nice ambient.

By 8PM, I arranged a session with Bela of Platynum. Arrived at her apartment by 8:30. She was as published, perhaps a little bit more chubby. This Venezuelan girl had good attitude (not GFE but not cold either) and did BBBJ but not TC. After that, I tried doggie style and stand position. ar$40 for 30 minutes and ar$60 for 1 hour. I paid a tip of ar$20, which was greatly appreciated. The apartment looks clean but not luxury, although she said that other apartments in the same building look much nicer.

At night, I met Jackson and Leo at Recoleta and left towards Estilo Nuevo. ar$6 for the cab (ask the cab to take Las Heras Av, Austria St and Figueroa Alcorta Av) and ar$15 the entrance fee, 1 drink included. By 10:30PM, there were 10 girls and many kept coming. Form my point of view, of the 15-20 who arrived by 11:30PM, 10 were 5-6s, 3-4 were 7-8s and a couple of 8-9s. I had a nice surprise, since the boliche improved substantially after my last visit of December 2000. it's worth another visit, for sure.

There, girls have no fixed schedule for charging customers, so the usual fees of ar$60 for 30 minutes, ar$80 for 45 minutes and ar$100 for 1 hour don't always apply. Some girls may ask for outrageous fees if she is in bad mood or if she believes that can charge more to foreigners. My advise is to talk business to the girl as soon as possile; otherwise, she may think that you are bullshiting her.

We watched 5 shows and left by 12:30AM to Flores, specifically to Envidia (Argerich St and Rivadavia Av). ar$10 for the cab and ar$5 the entrance fee. As in Nuevo Estilo, full of guys (this Monday was like a Friday, followed by 2 nonworking days), but in this case many more pestering teenagers. Of the 15 girls, most were 4-5s, and a few ranging from 6 to 8. ar$40 for 20 minutes, ar$50 for 30 minutes and ar$100 for 1 hour. As a girl from La Nuit told me, most of the girls there used to work in Yamila. In fact, there were many foreign girls there (dominicans, paraguayans, etc), and I spotted a few famous customers from Yamila.

After Jackson and Leo left the place, I picked Karen, a petite but big assed girl who provided BBBJ. We went to the upper level and she did a very nice BBBJ, followed by CBJ and doggie style. Nice experience and very cheap.

On my way out, I saw a very good looking girl called Magalí (big boobs, nice ass, average face). I will come back to try her.

Hope this helps,

Andres

MRLA

12-31-02, 12:27

Hey Guys,

Short note, spoke to "Roxana" yesterday. By far one of the nicest
ladies I have spoke to. She sounds smart, and great fun. I can't wait to get there. She did send me an e-mail later in the day explaning that as of Jan 1, is is charging $10us per appt, and $10US per hour for her services. I have no opion on this as I have not used her services as yet. But I am sure she is worth it, as she seems very professional, and a great personality.

Also can anyone please send me a phone number on "SANDY"(escortsbaires) I tried the number on the website, and no service. Very much want to see her. Thanks for help.

34 days and counting to beautiful BA!

MRLA

Editor's Note:

You can blame me for this, but Roxana raised her prices on my advice based on a review of the actual time (and telephone costs) she was incurring to make appointments.

Initially, Roxana had assumed that a simple appointment would could be concluded with a couple of phone calls, i.e.

1. You call her.
2. She calls the chica
3. She calls you back.

In reality, it actually takes more on the order of 6 to 10 telephone calls to get everything done, i.e.

1. You call her with your specifics (what, when, how much, etc.) and the names of the chica(s) you want her to call, in your order of preference.
2. Roxana calls one or several chicas, typically to leave a message because they are usually busy.
3. One of more of the chicas calls her back and she advises them of your specifics (what, when, how much, etc.)
4. She calls you to relay the chica's situation (what, when, how much, etc.)
5. She calls the chica back to confirm.
6. She calls you back to confirm.
7. She calls the chica again just before the appointment to re-confirm.
8. She receives a call from you because the chica is late, and then she calls the chica to find out where they are and/or why they're late and when they're coming, OR...
9. She gets a call from the chica because the chica is going to be late.
10. She calls you back to apprise you of the latest situation.

I think you get the idea. Roxana was concerned that she would lose clients, but as a businessman I had to advise her that she has to price her services in accordance with what it costs her to provide the services, and 5.00 USD just wasn't covering her costs, which includes not only her time but the home phone and cell phone per-minute charges she was incurring.

Anyway, she is very diligent and does a first class job, so I told her to relax and that her customers will recognize the value of her services.

Thanks,

Jackson

DownBA

12-31-02, 14:33

MLRA, sorry, I seem to have lost her land phone number, but I recommend that with 34 days left until your visit that you simply email her and tell her that you'd like to know if she'll be around when you come to town and give her a week or so to respond since it seems like she doesn't check her emails everyday. When she does check them she has to sort through hundreds of emails from horndogs like us all around the world proposing marriage, proposing dinner and a nice romp in the bedroom, etc.....everybody wants to experience her unbelievable beauty...so be patient and she'll answer you. If you want you can post your email address and I'll email you and be happy to volunteer to translate an email into Spanish for you. (and I promise not to put anything like "I've got 4 HUGE testicles" into the email).

If you want a generic sort of email to send her you could use the following and fill in the blank, "Hola Sandy, me llamo ________. Llego a Buenos Aires el ________ de _________ y vuelvo el _______ de _______ y tengo muchas ganas de reunir contigo. Estaras en Buenos Aires durante mi visita? Espero tus comentarios. Te mando un besito, __________."

This translates like this: "Hi Sandy, my name is _________. I arrive in Buenos Aires the ________ of _________ and return the __________ de __________ and I really would like to meet you. Will you be in Buenos Aires during my visit? I look forward to hearing from you. I send you a little kiss, __________."

Generally speaking, men and women in Argentina sign off their letters with "Te mando un besito" or "Te mando un beso grande" meaning "I send you a little kiss" and "I send you a BIG kiss" and men sign off to each other with "Te mando un abrazo" or "Un abrazo", meaning "I send you a hug" or simply "A hug." This is as Argentinian as apple pie is American, folks, it's as universally accepted in Argentina as the fameous "parillada", you can take it to the bank. So I say, "When in Buenos Aires, do as the Argentinians do" and you'll see how much your efforts to adopt their culture will pay off.

Some of these girls are super professional in their approach. I told Gabriela via email that I wanted to see her the day after my arrival and she emailed me back asking me for my hotel's phone number and full name and sure enough the day after I arrived she called the hotel before I'd even contacted her and asked if we were confirmed for later that night! Very efficient and impressive. (and Gabriela's a keeper, fellas, I doubt very much you'd be disappointed in her beauty, charm and bed wrestling technique if you tried her out!)

PS Andres, if you're reading this, Un abrazo!!

Good luck with Sandy, MRLA, she's a gem. DownBA