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As I type this latest update I am sitting at my desk in my office. My flight arrived early this morning and I had to come in to the office today. I have about a million voicemails, a thousand pieces of mail to sort through and tons of stuff to do but I can’t take my mind off Buenos Aires. Remember that first girl you fell in love with when you were in high school? No matter what you did to try to forget her you couldn’t? That is exactly how I feel about Buenos Aires. I miss it already.
Gotta pause for a second. One of my amigos that I met from online is calling me…… Just got off the phone with this guy. Never met him but he visited B.A. the week before I did. We have the same taste in women. He went down last time for only 3 days but spent the entire time with his new novia. That’s the great thing about these websites. You can meet a ton of great guys. I’ve talked to this guy before and he sounds cool.
Back to my story. On Sunday after I posted my last report I went back to my room after lunch with my friend. I called up a few girls from Platynum. While I was calling these girls on my cellphone, my hotel phone rang. The girl said she was Fabiana who I saw a day earlier and was down in my hotel lobby. I didn’t really want to repeat girls but I was feeling frisky so I told her to come up. (Also, many of the girls I called didn’t answer their phones. Keep in mind that on Sundays many of them don’t work). She said she was in the lobby. I waited about 10 minutes or so and she didn’t come up. I thought maybe I needed to go in the lobby and bring her up. Well, as I was getting on the elevator, this brunette gets off. She has a great body but her face is so so. I see her immediately veering to the right of the elevators to MY room. I conclude it is not the same Fabiana as the one I saw yesterday. I don’t really know what to do. Admittedly, possibly incorrectly I duck in the elevator and go downstairs. I walked around to the corner store to get something to drink. I reason to myself that if she is still at my door when I get back I’ll see her.
When I get back to my room she isn’t there. My room phone rings and it is this girl asking where I am. I tell her that I thought she was another girl, “Fabiana” that I met yesterday. I still don’t know how she got my number. I think maybe the hotel assumed she was for me and called me room. I have been seeing so many girls I think they assumed she was coming for me. Anyway, long story short… I tell her to call me tomorrow. Meanwhile, my friend, Sakebomb, calls my room and tells me that he saw this good looking brunette in the lobby while he was checking out. (It was this girl, Fabiana). He chastises me for not seeing her. On reflection, maybe I should have. Oh well. Sakebomb called to say goodbye. We went out almost every night together. I’m sure I’ll see this guy another time in Buenos Aires or another city. Before hanging up he gave me the phone numbers of multiple girls.
Anyway, this was my last night night here. I was leaving on Monday night. My friend and I planned to go out tonight and have fun. While typing my last report at the Internet café, we met this American guy. Actually it was funny because I saw him reading the World Sex Guide web page and tapped him on the shoulder. He was actually reading one of my reports. We planned to hook up with him for dinner and go out but there was a change in plans. I feel bad for not going out with him. (T. if you’re reading this, my friend and I are sorry we couldn’t go out. I’m sure you will learn the ropes though. Hopefully the information we gave you will at least get you started).
I agree with what Jackson said. Ideally I would always like to pay after a session. However, I didn’t feel it was in my best interest to refuse to pay when the girl asked for her “regalo” (gift). Either way I think it should be important to note that I didn’t have one bad session the entire 10 day trip.
This report might not have a lot of information that you guys are interested in. Jackson, if you don’t think it’s appropriate, feel free to edit or delete it. I just wanted to share my experiences and thoughts about this trip.
The reason my friend and I didn’t hook up for dinner and a night out with our new American friend was because we both ended up spending our last night with our “girls”. The girl I met a few nights earlier, Emily, called me everyday after our overnighter. She was a very nice girl. She called me right after my mix-up with Fabiana. She was downstairs and wanted to come up and say goodbye before I left. She came up and we ended up spending that entire afternoon together. That afternoon turned into the evening and we decided to have dinner together my last night there. My friend also took his girl out to dinner again.
I found out a lot that night. It turns out that the girl I met at Black’s wasn’t her sister. It was another Daniella that my girl knew. That Daniella girl lied because she thought I wanted to have a session with Emily’s sister. This is the girl that wanted 650 pesos for a TLN (toda la noche). Anyway, this girl turns out to be a *****. One thing you guys should note that it is a small world here. Many of the girls know each other. Even if they work in different clubs. Many of them worked in different clubs. Many of them have sisters in the other clubs. Or they have friends in the other club. If you’re a nice guy than you’ll be known as a nice guy. If you’re a jerk, you’ll be known as a jerk. Just always be a gentleman and you’ll have no problems. I thought it was funny that some of the girls even compare how much you paid them, how you are in bed, the size of your penis, etc. It was pretty comical learning all of this.
That Sunday night, I guess my girl was still bothered that I was talking to her friend, Daniella, from Blacks. Another thing you guys should note is these girls are very jealous and their feelings get hurt easily. They have big hearts and despite what they do for a living, it doesn’t change that fact. While I was taking a shower, Emily calls Daniella and Daniella invites herself to dinner. Oh joy. NOT. We go to this Japanese/Chinese restaurant called Toronto. It was very good. It had all this food. Mostly buffet style but the food was very fresh. It was only like 12 pesos per person. Very nice change of pace food wise.
During dinner, the money hungry Daniella is asking Emily to ask me for all kinds of things. Emily is not like the other girls. She really doesn’t care all that much about money. She doesn’t work a whole lot and even when she does work she is kind of picky. For instance, it had been six days since she had seen anybody before me. And in fact, I saw her 4 of the previous nights before I visited with her just hang out alone all night not leaving with anyone. My Spanish is improving and I could understand a lot of what Daniella was saying. She was asking Emily to tell me that she needed a computer, etc. etc. Emily was uncomfortable about all this talk from Daniella. I really embarrassed Daniella when I said in Spanish out loud to the both of them. “Maybe your rich friend, Daniella, should buy you a new computer”. After that, Daniella only spoke to Emily in Portugese, so I couldn’t really understand much of the conversation.
Daniella was working that night. So after dinner, we dropped her off at Blacks. Before the taxi got to Black’s, Daniella whispers something into Emily’s ear. I guess Daniella asks Emily to ask me for a tip of 100 pesos for her. Emily hesitates but asks me. I’m puzzled. I whisper back, “you’re friend wants me to pay her 100 pesos for the privilege of her inviting herself to dinner”? I think not. That should tell you everything you need to know about this Daniella girl. She is a blonde girl from Brazil. Her body isn’t the greatest. She has a pretty face but there are much better girls at Black’s.
I spent my last night with Emily. She spent the night at my hotel. She was really growing on me. I have dated working girls before in the USA but this was different. These girls for the most part in Buenos Aires are not jaded. They are working to survive. The unemployment rate is over 25% there. There is nothing else for them to do there. Even though only one of the girls I saw had kids, many of the girls there had kids. Many also pay to support their parents or other family.
That next morning was very difficult. It was my last day there. I was checking out of the hotel at 6 PM. (I paid ½ day rate to check out late. This may be a good option if you’re flight is at night….which most of the flights are to Miami). At 12:30 PM, I had to tell Emily I had to get ready to leave. This was one of the hardest things I’ve had to do. She started to cry and told me that her heart ached. Who knows, she could have been lying but I seriously doubt it. I’m not naïve and I know when a girl is sincere or not. In fact, she wanted no money and got offended that I was giving her money. I explained to her that I wasn’t paying her for spending the night with me. I was giving her money as a friend and I knew she needed it. I gave her 600 pesos. Sure, it is only $200 US but that isn’t chump change for these girls for one night.
I had lunch with my friend that day and we both were sad this was our last day. He had to check out of his hotel at 3 PM. He came down to my room and there wasn’t much to do. It was really raining hard out. We got lucky because this was the first day it rained our entire trip. I told him I needed one last visit. I got out my list of phone numbers that Sakebomb gave me and I called Veronica. She was the first girl that we saw walking out with his friend the first day we checked in. She was a cute little brunette. A tall Argentinean with a great body, pretty face and good attitude. She was 21 years old. She worked at Hook’s. (I sure didn’t see girls as hot as her when I went there). I told her I was checking out today and wanted to visit with her for 1 ½ hours. I asked her for her fee and she said how about 200 pesos. That was good for me and I didn’t even bother negotiating. She came over just out of the shower. Very pretty girl. I’m more of the blonde type but had a great GFE time with her. I’m glad I didn’t pack my condoms yet though as she didn’t have any with her when she arrived. If you go down there, most of the girls will have them with them but several did ask me if I had any. Or those that had their own only had one or two so if you went multiple rounds or did an all nighter and you didn’t have more… it would be a buzz kill to have to go to the convenience store around the corner and get more.
My friend was nice enough to wait downstairs for me in the lobby while I visited with Veronica. I walked her out of the hotel when we were done and I checked out. My hotel bill was very reasonable. They forgot to add the cell phone bill on it but I’m sure they’ll charge my credit card for it. There were some days when I talked to some girls for up to 45 minutes at a time. I gave the cool guys at the front desk a 100 peso tip. That’s in addition to the money I gave them each night as they checked the girls in. I’ll say one thing for the Etoile… they have the best reception desk. They were always cool when girls came over.
In closing, this was probably one of the best vacations I’ve ever had. I not only love the women of Buenos Aires but I love the people in general, the food, the atmosphere and the general environment. I think L.A. Larry summed it up best in a prior post, “Be prepared for a major depression when you leave B.A. “ I’ve only been away from B.A. for less than a day and I feel sadness for leaving a country that I fell madly in love with.
Final thoughts:
Starfe, email me at cancunsaint@yahoo.com I’ll mail you that copy of the Clarin I got for you. Also, Jackson is correct about the MTV. I just kept it on. The downside is that the MTV down there they just repeat like 10 songs over and over. I felt like smashing the TV after a while. The remote controls also sucked in the room. There was no up/down channel. To be honest though I didn’t watch a whole lot of TV down there.
Jackson, thanks for providing such a wonderful public, free, forum for gentlemen to share valuable information with one another. It has been a pleasure and a privilege to be a part of this site.
L.A. Larry, thanks for your good information on B.A. Hopefully we can hook up sometime in Buenos Aires. It sounds like there is a good possibility that we could both pack and up leave our lives here in the USA for Buenos Aires.
Make sure you bring plenty of cash with you. The last day we were there my friend and I tried a few ATM’s and they said they were out of pesos. We finally found some pesos at the Citibank branch located near the Alvear Hotel. It was our last day there and it would have been a disaster if we couldn’t pull any more money out of our accounts.
If you’re there for a while, check out the Colmegna Spa.
http://www.mujermilenio.com.ar/Colmegnaspa.htm
It was a fun afternoon. Not sure if FS is available but who cares. There are plenty of other chics in town for that. Great massages at good rates. I’m sure the chica’s there will ask you if you want a “massaje especial”. The hottest one there was a blonde named Vivianna. She was smoking hot. A solid 10 for sure. I didn’t get a massage from her but I’m sure she is highly skilled and I would have gladly paid a few hundred pesos to have a special massage from her. The go to guy there’s name is Senso. I guess he has worked there for like 17 years or so. He will get whatever you want. His English is not good but I’m sure he can help you with whatever you need. It’s kind of weird because when you enter you see a police officer with a bullet proof vest on sitting at the entrance. When I asked the lady giving me a manicure why he is out there she explains that all the members of the governmental agencies are members of this club. (I could have sworn I saw a guy that looked like President Duhalde sitting in a room just sipping on a drink in a suit. Anyway, it’s an interesting place to relax and unwind if you want something different.
The average person down there makes very little. Many of the girls acknowledged that they make more in one night sometimes than the average worker makes in one month. I asked a bunch of the people down there what various people make. A hostess that speaks some English at a nice restaurant might make about 500 – 600 pesos a month. I firmly believe this is one of the worst economic crises in some time. It’s going to take time for the economy to recover. Possibly several years. The problem is that the people have ZERO confidence in the system and that makes matters worse. I think Buenos Aires is gonna become a popular destination because it has become cheaper for many people. My last few days I was running into people from the States, Chile, Asia and various other parts of the world. Be generous if you can. I’m not saying to waste money but pay what you think is fair.
Also, keep in mind that some of the taxi drivers don’t know where the popular clubs are. A few didn’t even know where Black’s or Playwoman were. The addresses are below of the ones I went to:
Black’s: Ayacucho 1981 – Recoleta
Playwoman: Azcuenaga 1968
Affaire: Guido 1965 – Recoleta
Cutty Sark: Reconquista 873
Solid Gold is next door to Playwoman.
Also, I never went there but one of the guys I was with down there said he liked Cocodillo a lot. I’m sure I left out a bunch of stuff but I’ll post as I remember stuff. If you get a chance, head down to Buenos Aires and experience the splendor of it all.
The Saint
Viking,
I didn't really check out the regular club scene. Mostly because I wasn't down there that long and didn't want to waste any valuable time. There is a night club just up the street from Playwoman that we would pass every night. Not sure of the quality of girls.
Do note that nothing really happens till late. Most people don't even eat dinner there till like 10 PM or 11 PM. I do know that many of the working girls from the club go dancing on their nights off. A few of them mentioned they go dancing on Saturday or Sunday when they are not working. I didn't think to ask them the name of the places.
It's very easy to meet people there though. Just by being friendly I'm sure you'll have no problems. Speaking some Spanish is a big help. I really wish I was fluent and plan on taking Spanish lessons before I go back in December.
I did do some shopping. My friend and I went to the Galleria de Pacifica shopping mall. It's a 3 floor modern mall that has plenty of stores. Most of the stores are for women though just like here in the USA. They did have several men's clothing stores. The clothes were much cheaper than here in the States. I stopped by the Mont Blanc store and was disappointed that the prices on higher end luxury items were about the same as the USA. I bought a wallet and it costs the same here. The lady told me that most of the higher end luxury clothing stores charged about the same prices as the USA.
Cigar prices seemed reasonable at the corner store. However, my friend got a very small Cuban cigar at Black's and I remember it being fairly expensive. Buy your cigars and bring them to the clubs.
Not sure where you're staying but the Etoile's prices on laundry were very reasonable. If you have the room, pack as much clothes as you can. I only had to do laundry once but had a few things drycleaned. Drycleaning at the Etoile was fairly expensive. One shirt was about 21 pesos or $7 US. I can't remember how much for pants but a little more. It can add up.
Have fun!
Saint--
You are a class act! Sounds like you had a great time. I'm happy for you, man...You did the town the exact way it should be done.
Be prepared now for MONTHS of post-argentina depression. Part of it is the great looking girls of Argentina that I miss.
But the other part is just the city and the people.
I really felt welcome in BA....I normally don't talk to people in Los Angeles but I found myself talking to everyone in Argentina. They are a great nation of people. (Not saps, but passionate, ironic, interesting and warm people).
And I agree with you about the staff at the Etoile--very cool guys. I'm glad you took care of them. So many Americans go down there and act like pikers.
I'm going to probably spend the month of december in Argentina --going to 2 weeks BA and 2 weeks Mar Del Plata....Hopefully we can connect at some point.
LA Larry
Thanks Larry. I appreciate those kind words.
You were 100% correct about the post Argentina depression once leaving. I've only been gone one full day and I can't seem to concentrate on much. I find myself looking out of my office window wishing I was back in Buenos Aires.
I know it sounds crazy but I'm seriously thinking about just selling my house, car and major personal belongings and just buying an apartment down there. I would be leaving a great job and a good life here in the USA. As Larry mentioned, it's simply not just the girls. It's the whole atmosphere down there. I can see myself just moving down there taking Spanish lessons a few months and becoming fluent.
Does anyone know the property rights down there? Can Americans own property there? The most difficult thing would be finding a job in a city where there is 25%+ unemployment. Oh well, it's probably just a pipe dream but I still can picture myself a resident there.
Larry, I definitely would like to hook up with you if you're there the entire month of December. I plan on going down there from December 19th to the second week in January. I am almost ready to book a Suite at the Design Suites which looks nice. I'm told it's only 5 blocks from the Recoleta area.
Anyway, enough rambling about how I miss the city. Some things I forgot to mention. We did go to Cafe Orleans one day. The taxi driver did not know where it was but I gave him the intersection provided in an earlier post. It was mid to late afternoon and there were only like 3 girls in there. The place looks like a regular bar but it wasn't. The guy at the bar kind of looked at us and didn't even ask if we wanted a menu. We wanted to look like lost American's that just came in for food so we ordered some food. The 3 girls were pretty bad. It was funny because they kept walking by our table almost as if the more they walked by... the better their chances were that we would book a session with them.
With so many choices in B.A. I don't think I would even stop in Cafe Orleans again. Who knows though. I'm sure the place has it's good days. I could have hit it on a bad day.
As far as that Colmegna Spa place I mentioned. I forgot to mention that apparently it is no secrets that they offer "special massages" there. One of the girls from Black's my friend talked to used to work there. They really do offer quality massages there. Like I mentioned, I got the best non-sexual massage of my life there.
Reflecting back I did think that taxi driver was going to rob me. I keep trying to tell myself that he was only telling me a story but I played dumb and kept asking him what he was staying. I think he was saying in Spanish, "I am robbing you". He fashioned his fingers into a gun over and over. It was only after he saw I was about ready to jump out the door that he stopped. Keep in mind it was about 3 AM and we were not in a heavily populated area. The streets around Hook are a little rough. It is NOT Recoleta..that's for sure. To make matters worse, I was dressed very well and alone.
My suggestion is that if you're alone. Right away start talking to the taxi driver. Ask him how long he was been driving his taxi. Then tell him that in the United States you are a police officer. I don't think they would mess around with you if you said that. I could be wrong though. I guess in any major city there is going to be crime. Like Boris mentioned in the old forum, there IS crime in Buenos Aires just like any other city.
My top picks in Playwoman:
Lisa, a 25 year old blonde bombshell from Brazil. Natural breasts, pretty face, great body. I'm told she had some plastic surgery on her body but I sure couldn't tell. It could be a YMMV thing with her though. I had a great time, my friend had a great time, the other guy down there I knew had a great time. One dude that posted said he didn't. I found her to be very nice. Even that one night when my friend got her out for the night, she wanted to walk me around the corner to Affaire just to make sure I got there ok. I did an overnighter with her.
Paola, a 25(?) year old Argentina chick. Her face isn't gorgeous. Maybe 7.5, definitely a solid 7 in the face. Good body with a wonderful set of man made breasts. VERY soft. Great session. This girl loves to have sex. She talks dirty the whole time in Spanish. It was funny become she was saying the same stuff to one of my friends. "déme su leche"! (or give me your milk). I think she said her sister works at one of the clubs. This girl is also a certified lesbian. Her girlfriend works at Sedoma. She is a blonde named Rachel. Both are jealous. Her girlfriend called while she was in my room. I ended up talking to her on the phone and she was pissed at Paola. I think Paola was trying to make her jealous.
Solange, a girl in her upper 20's probably. I didn't have a session with her but I wanted to. She had a great set of natural breasts on her. Her face was pretty but might have been a little hard. She looked like she could f*ck. Oh well...next time.
There were other girls there but those seemed to be the best.
More later. Phone call from one of the girls from B.A. believe it or not....
Saint: Thanks for posting such great reports. It does sound like I've been missing out by mostly using Platynum girls and only heading to the bars on weekends when it seems the level of activity is much lower.
I'm headed back down to BA from June 1 thru June 8 on business again and will try to focus on the bars like you did (in spite of work). This time, however, I'll stay at the Alvear Palace instead of the Hilton (forget the frequent guest points) and will report back on it's girl-friendliness as I hope to push their limits by bringing in a different girl every night :)
On another note, I'm sorry to ask an off-topic question but maybe you guys can help: Did you run into any true sports bars while you were down there? It just so happens that during my trip Argentina will be playing two world cup soccer matches (including one against arch-rival England) and I'd love to go to a local sports bar and enjoy the atmosphere.
Hulk,
These is a real sports bar in Recoleta. I think it's called the All Sports Cafe. It's approximately three doors down from Newport. I watched the NBA playoffs while I was down there. If they didn't have the game I wanted already on, they quickly accommidated me.
There's also a Hooters in Village Recoleta, although I'm hesitant to call Hooters a sports bar because while they have sports tuned in on their monitors, they have a corporate policy against actually turning on the sound. Wierd but true.
Jackson
JustGotBack
05-16-02, 03:25
I just got back. I just wanted to type my last thoughts.
Saint, you're right that a lot of the girls know each other. If you get a bad rap, I can see that it would follow you. I know that Emily, Lisa and Claudia at Playwoman all live together.
My top three picks are as follows:
Claudia from Playwoman -- She's a 24 yr old blonde. Most girls look older in the light than in the dark club. Claudia surprisingly looks younger. What can I say, she was great. She didn't rush at all. We spent about an hour in the club making out before we left. She actually wanted to stick around and see the strip show before we left. After we got to my room, we talked for about another half an hour before things got going. After we talked for about an hour and an half more. Unfortunately that was my last night there. I was leaving to hotel to fly home early that morning. She wanted to stay with me until I had to get a taxi, but I asked her to leave a half an hour before so that I could shower and pack. She was definitely not a rushed job. I wish I had tried her earlier. I saw her in Playwoman ever night I was there but always got someone else. We negoitiated 200 pesos, but I just gave her a 100 dollars since she was so good. She was very appreciative of that.
Fabiana from Affaire -- She's a 28 yr old redhead. She was great as well. We spent a couple of hours making out and dancing in the club before we left. She ended up staying with me in the room for 4 hours. All for 150 pesos. I have no complaints. I would have seen her again, but she left to go to Monterrey. I don't know if she was coming back.
Marisol from Playwoman -- She says she's 26, but I sneaked a peek at here docs when she was signing in at the hotel. She's really 30. She's blonde. The only reason I made her third was that she only stayed for a couple of hours. But during those 2 hours, it was like she was reading my mine. Before I got to ask her to do anything, she did it. I gave here 150 pesos.
I did notice something. The 3 girls above all seriously made out with me in the club. Lots of french kissing and petting etc. They initiated all this. All three actually grab my hands and put them on their breasts. They ended up being great. The girls that weren't good or just OK didn't do any of this. Some didn't kiss at all and the others just did little closed mouth pecks. I'm going to use this as a gauge to filter out the bad ones in the future.
I'd give Lisa from Playwoman an honorable mention. She was great for the 20 minutes before she started to rush me.
Sorry I'm rambling, but I'm so tired.
Hi,
In my opinion, if they're not pressing close to your body, grabbing your dick, inviting you to discreetly feel them up, French kissing you and otherwise engaging in stage one foreplay in the club, then my practice is to drop them and move on. I figure that if I can't at least get their motor started in the club, then I'm not going to have the experience I'm looking for later.
This is very similar to the "pay in advance" issue: As I look back on the very few worthless experiences I've had in the past, they always started out rather tepid. It's not to say that a slow starter can't turn into a tigress, or that an initially aggressive chica can't turn cold (although I've never had that happen with Latin women), but every less-than-satisfactory experience I've had always started out with the chica acting rather reserved.
Just my 2 cents.
Jackson
Justgotback,
I'm glad you had fun. Sorry we didn't get to hook up. I did want to correct one thing that I think may or may not be right. I think that Emily doesn't live with Lisa. Who knows I could be wrong.
I think I also saw Claudia although I could have sworn her name was Clara. (I at least know it began with a C). Ha, ha. It was really late at night the night I went to Playwoman. I was leaving the club when I saw her get out of a taxi and started talking to her. I'm not sure if she got bought out the whole night and was coming back on her own to make more money. I gave the guy on the front door who knew me fairly well some money and he didn't care.
You're right. She was a nice girl that provided a good session. I was dead tired when I saw her. It was about 4 am when I left that night. Who knows, it may not be the same girl but I think it was.
I would also agree that the girls that went crazy in the clubs making out provided good sessions. Marisol and Lisa both started french kissing me in the club from the get go. I'm sure Paola would have too. As far as age goes, as long as they are 19 or older I really didn't care how old they were as long as they looked good and took care of their bodies. If Marisol is 30 then she should feel even better about herself. She takes good care of herself. Has tons of energy too.
Keep in mind these girls mind f*** with each other. Emily called me two or three times since I got back. I guess Lisa told her that I had a session with her on Monday night. Impossible! Emily knew that I left on Monday night. I only point this out because sometimes no matter what you do....the girls will lie. Not quite sure why she lied. I do know that these girls have a mind of their own sometimes....
Saint--
I looked at apartments in recoleta (part of my deluision is to disappear from my existence here and become "reborn" in Buenos Aires).
Small 1 Bedrooms with Doormen in modest, safe sections of recoleta (20 block radius of cemetary) were going for $17,500-$30,000 US Dollars. These were decent places--nothing spectacular. Absolutely perfect for a bachelor pad. (But a little small for my tastes--since I've lived in large house for 20 years).
A real estate agent also showed me an apartment in a giant tower (at least 40 stories high) in the Palermo section which once had 1 million dollar apartments--the price for these places now was $175K.
I would say that given the current conditions--you could get a very nice, (VERY LARGE) apartment with a terrace withing two blocks of the Alavar Hotel in Recoleta for under 50K (maybe even less).
The Agent told me that people are Dollar starved and have seen their life savings disappear.
I hate the idea of swooping in like a robber baron, but I still want to own a place down there too.
By the way--places in the resort town of Mar Del Plata are even cheaper!
L.A. Larry,
Thanks for that informative post. Wow, you really were serious about wanting to move down there.
$17 K to $30 K is not a lot but I bet better deals can be found as time goes on. $30 K US is a lot of money right now in Argentina.
Larry, I haven't been working as long as you have been so you're in a much better position to do this. This is a unique opportunity for many people right now. Buenos Aires was formally an expensive destination. It will most likely take years to get back on the path of prosperity both economically and politically for Argentina.
Although the distance is very far from the U.S., I'm glad in a way. It will keep the people that go to a destination solely for sex to a minimum. You might go to B.A. for the girls but you will leave having fallen in love with the people, the culture and the way of life there.
I apologize in advance to all those reading the boards if you are not interested in this topic. Larry and I might be on the extreme edge of loving B.A. Jackson, maybe you can tell us if it is appropriate to talk about subjects like this in this forum? Or should we be talking about this in another forum?
And for that that are tired of reading about the above topic....I'll give you a dose of some information that you might find more appealing.
Black's was the other place I really liked. It is ironic because I only ended up having a session with one or two of the girls here. Black's has many more girls than any of the other clubs. The place doesn't really open till like 11 PM and midnight often produced the best girls. One night when we went in around 12 AM or so there were tons of hot girls. Take note though. Around 2 AM we still had not selected the girls we were gonna be with. Most of the superstars had left with other guys at this point. I suggest taking a good 45 minutes to an hour and scope out the girl you like. Then invite her to sit down with you and have some drinks. (Keep in mind drinks here are expensive for the girls at 40 pesos each).
Another thing to keep in mind is that some girl mentioned it would be more cost effective if you're gonna drink with the girls for a while is to just order a bottle of champagne. I guess a bottle of Champagne is around 160 pesos and contains enough for much more than 4 drinks. Most of the girls ordered champagne. The flute (glass) they got it in was very small. Some girls finished it in a few sips. A few girls told me they ordered champagne because it doesn't have that many calories and a lot of the girls there watch their weight.
Girls in Buenos Aires seem to be very weight conscious. There are less opportunities for fat girls in B.A. I was told. Not just in the escort scene but in any job. One girl said to me, "who wants to hire a fat girl"??? I didn't really see any fat girls. Maybe an American tourist or two....LOL.
There are truly some hot girls at Black's. Lisa from Playwoman's sister, Giovanna, works here. She is very young at maybe 19 years old. A blonde with bigger natural breasts than Lisa and a rail thin body. My friend saw Giovanna and said he had a good time but she was less experienced in bed than Lisa. My other friend saw a few girls from this club. One of the girls was from B.A. She looked like Jennifer Lopez. I think he had somewhat of a rushed session and even paid a premium of 400 pesos or so plus the exit fee.
There is a gorgeous Uraguayan girl there too. A brunette that my friend saw. She had a gorgeous face and a good body. I'm not sure of her name. I think my friend plans to do a summary post of all his adventures where he will provide names.
Keep in mind the girls here have a different attitude. Some will constantly dance around you and make eye contact and smile and blow kisses, etc. Others will not even make eye contact, smile or acknowledge you until you let them know you are interested....then they warm up like hot butter on a warm day. It's very interesting.
One night, my friend chose a very pretty girl from Paraguay. She had a model quality face but her body was a little bigger. She was very shy. He invites her over where she explains to me in Spanish (she spoke no English) that she has only been working in this business for 5 days. She had a child back home and was only working to support her child. She essentially said she hated this and working here. Well, that was enough of a buzz kill for my friend to want to pick someone else. He felt bad and couldn't see a girl that didn't want to be doing this. He tried to explain to her that he couldn't see her. He tried giving her a generous tip but she got all offended. She was angry. I tried to calm her down and told her that I was interested in her. What can I say? I felt bad for her. Her face was very pretty but her body was not my type. I ask her what her fee is for 2 hours. She informs me that she doesn't do 2 hour visits. I then proceed to ask her how much for an all nighter. She then says it depends on the guy. I ask how much for a guy like me. She just smiles and doesn't answer. I've been hobbying enough to know that when a girl doesn't give you a price you move on.
The girl asks for more champagne. I think at this point she already had 2 drinks with my friend. My friend gets up and goes to the bathroom. I am not happy that she won't give me a price so I tell her not to order any more drinks till I get back. I go down the the restroom and she is gone when we get back. I tried being overly nice with this girl but when you ask for a price and they don't answer it is time to probably move on. My friend got in this position where a girl didn't give him a price quote. What they do is they know once you get back to your room you're all horny. Sure they will leave if you ask them to but you're all horny and think with your little head.
It was this kind of attitude that I really didn't like about Black's. But they have everything you would need there. I'm more into blondes and they had an overwelmingly higher proportion of brunettes there. Several of the girls are very pretty but are older. I have a feeling if you don't mind older girls you could get a good rate. The door girl at Black's is smoking hot but unfortunately not on the program. She is by far the hottest girl there. A young blonde hottie with a killer face and body.
When I go back in December I'll play things a little differently. Of course I'll have more time so that will help. I think I'll try Cocodillo which my friend says was very good. Jackson or others...have you been to Cocodillo? If so, how was it?
Anyway, this is longer than I thought it would be. Good luck guys.
Saint, I've been following your conversation word-for-word. I also looked at apartments for sale while I was down there. It's become part of my master plan to live several months each year in another country, and Buenos Aires has been at the top of my list for several years. I suspect that I'll probably rent an apartment first, the rental costs have also dropped in dollars, and that way I can decide if I really want to make it permanent. Besides, while I think there's little chance that the peso could gain strength, there's every reason to suspect that it could drop further.
I've also been wondering if three or four of us should buy a place jointly? If we purchased a two bedroom place, it would minimize scheduling conflicts. Personally, I'd want to try to get a place within walking distance of Recoleta.
Jackson
Saint or Larry,
What level of lighting do they have in the clubs like Blacks and Playwoman?
I don't see well at all in low levels of light and cannot to tell how attractive a woman is in many bars in America.
Jackson,
I'm glad that you also are very interested in something like this. I think this forum has come a long way. I like the new format of usernames and I think it will cut down on spam and other non-related topics.
Another guy down there was interested in the exact thing you mentioned Jackson. He asked if I might be interested in going in with him and another guy and buying an apartment. On first glance it sounds like a novel idea. I definitely would want it to be in the Recoleta area. It's such a nice area and perfect for the chicas.
I agree with your assessment Jackson. I think the peso will continue to weaken. If you check out the exchange rate it continues to drop day by day. The rate today was 3.37 which is very good for us but bad for Argentina. While I was there I got a Clarin newspaper. It said something about the government making sure they were going to prop the peso so it wouldn't fall below 3.20 (So much for that idea). The government can't do anything because they have very little money to do that. IMHO, the best thing to do is just let the market dictate the value of their peso. That is part of the problem. The government had their peso at an artificially inflated value. Now with this whole mess the people do not and will not trust the government.
I do think if a few of us went in together we could do quite well. We could split up the year and split weeks. I even think we could rent it out the weeks we are not down there. I don't know how feasible this is since none of us really know eachother that well. I also do not know about the property rights of non-Argentinian citizens at this time.
DCCRAIN,
As far as your question about lighting. It pretty much sucks at both places but is a little better at Blacks. Take it from me... some of the girls look a LOT different in the full lighting of your hotel room. I have 20/20 vision and had problems with this aspect of the clubs.
My advice which you can take with a grain of salt. At Blacks, snag one of the couches closer to the bar area. The lighting seemed to be a little better around those couch areas. I didn't really hang out near the dance floor which also had a few couches and bar stools with tables.
At Playwoman you are pretty much out of luck as far as lighting goes. I mean there is enough lighting to tell who is hot and who is not. Also, there are dance shows in between time slots where there is some lighting and that was my best time to check out some of the girls. I was amazed and surprised at how much the girls payed attention to the girls dancing. (Some of the girls come in only to do the main floor show dances). The normal working girls would all watch in awe, and clap after the performance.
In my humble opinion, the best seats were when you walked in the door go straight back to the bar then take a left. The red couches at the right hand side of the stage. Seemed to have the best lighting. All the couches in the back rooms were really dark.
We went to a few other clubs. Affaire was VERY dark. There was just a little light from the dance shows. I didn't really like this place. Plus, the music is super loud here which you may/may not like. Hook was also dark and the quality of girls was not as good in my opinion. We also went to the two other clubs right next to Hook's. I forget the names right now but Larry mentioned them in another post I think.
Long story short, the lighting is not the best. I suggest bringing your eyeglasses or getting Lasik surgery before going.....LOL. Good luck.
I would do anything to join you Jackson but unfortunately work won't allow another trip to B.A. for a while.
One thing I did want to mention and hopefully everyone will agree is for all you reading this NOT to mention to the girls that you read about them on the internet. It freaks them out when you do this. Also, the last few days some of the girls wouldn't let me take pictures of them (even PG rated ones) because of their fear of them ending up on the internet. I'm sure some girls might not care but the vast majority of them probably do care. And if you see their picture on the internet... do NOT mention you saw it on the internet. Just say that one of your friends that was in BA saw her and said how sweet she was and that's why you're asking about her.
You have to always use common sense and good judgement. You even have to probably use good judgement in some of the things you say to the girls sometimes. For example, on our 2nd to last night there, one of the hotties in Playwoman was talking to some American looking dude. It was obvious he wanted to leave with her. He bought her a few drinks and said something to her. When he went to the bathroom she got up and left. I immediately went over to her and asked if she was available or with that guy. She told me she was definitely available. That night she goes on to say what a perverted freak that guy was to my friend. (He couldn't understand all of it because he doesn't Speak Spanish). Don't assume just because you have money the girls will automatically go home with you. As Larry mentioned in an earlier post, if you are a slob that has bad hygiene and are rude the girls might not leave with you. As he correctly pointed out, some girls go home alone night after night rather than make money with someone they don't click with.
Other things I noticed. There are almost NO black people here at all. I was there about 10 days and maybe saw 4 black people the entire time. A black couple in a restaurant in Puerto Madero (who walked in then walked right back out of the restaurant as they were getting seated), a kid working at a restaurant that was from the Dominican Republic. He spoke good English. And the other one was a black girl at Black's from Brazil whose English was also very good. I only mention this because if you are black and coming to Buenos Aires and wondering what the make up of visitors and society is that should help you answer any questions.
I was told there was a good sized Asian population there. In Recoleta I only saw Asian tourists. But when I went to that Asian restaurant, Toronto, there were many Asians from the community eating there.
To be honest, I don't really think it matters what your ethnicity is. The people there are so friendly and warm and will make you fit in.
One final note..... (which some of you will disagree with and that's ok). It probably isn't a good idea to get involved romantically with a girl there. I kind of did and it has really been difficult for her since I left. The girls are all competitive I think. This girl has been told several lies by other girls which I can't really understand. Jackson or others....has this happened to you? How did you handle it? It kind of breaks my heart to read emails from some of these girls about how sad they are. Oh well...enough for today.
slappy johnson
05-19-02, 14:28
Saint,
I agree with your post. I won't comment on all of it because it was pretty long and I am on my way out. Though I haven't had the pleasure to go to BA you can apply almost all of what you said to many places, including TJ where I have been known to frequent. The spreading of rumors by girls seems to be frequent in the Latina community... an atmosphere of enviada... I know of girls working the main bars of CC and AB marching into opposing clubs to confront a chismosa and fights have been known to break out.
I am also considerate not to mention that I may have seen a woman's name thrown around the forum. I also usually don't mention a name unless absolutely necessary (especially if I want to keep a secret gem to myself...I know, it's selfish but I can't help it.) I will, however, provide a general description so that if I know a good time and a fiend wants some of it, he'll have to work a little. Peace, brother!
Johan--
1. how does the quality of the girls compare w/ brasilians?
Argentina has possibly some of the most beautiful woman anywhere. Whether or not they are more beautiful than Brasilian women is up to individual tastes.
2. which is safer? brasil or argentina?
Couldn't tell you about Brasil (although what I read on the Brasil forum--if true--scares me a little).
Argentina--I found to be extremely safe. Stay in Recoleta and I can virtually guarantee that nothing will ever happen to you at any hour of the day or night....Personally I marauded all over Buenos Aires--in all kinds of sections and I didn't even experience a single threat. Perhaps I was just lucky.
3. what about pricing? i understand argentina is quite expensive but i may be wrong.
Argentina is extremely cheap now because of the currency catastrophe.
I strongly suggest reading Saint's reports and all reports in the archives from March 2002 to present t get a sense of the value currently available in Buenos Aires.
A quality girls can be had for a few hours for around 150 pesos (around $50 dollars)
Great Hotels can be had for around $50 US Dollars per night or even cheaper.
Johan and others,
I wholeheartedly agree with L.A. Larry. I also have not been to Brazil and probably won't go since I have been to Buenos Aires. I understand they are like night and day but everything I could possibly want was found in B.A. Plus, most of the girls I ended up with were from Brazil anyway. Probably out of the 10+ girls I saw, half of them were from Brazil.
I prefer more of the European blend mix rather than the darker Hispanic look so it was perfect for me.
Even though I have never been to Brazil I have talked to several guys first hand that have been to Brazil and experienced crime first hand. Heck, just read the WSG forums on Brazil and you'll hear about guys that have seen crime or had it done on them. NO matter what anyone says..... the crime rate in Brazil is horrible. I even know people that are from Brazil that say to be careful everywhere you go.
Argentina WAS (read FORMALLY) was expensive. I wouldn't consider it expensive now. But then again everything is relative in life. $1 to one man is $1000 to another. That being said, I tried to provide prices in pesos for almost everything from food to massages to the chicas. Compared to the United States, the food was downright cheap. The hotel I stayed in was very affordable, the girls were affordable.
I do acknowledge that me and my friend probably payed more than most need to. Most of the time we wouldn't even counter an offer which surely would have gotten a cheaper price. In fact, the times we did do it they drastically cut their price. That's probably the one area I would have done differently. If anything, negotiate an initial price with them and tell them if you are very happy you will leave a good propina (tip) for her.
Recoleta is in the heart of much of the action. I couldn't envision not being in Recoleta. To me it was the epicenter of the chica world. VERY safe area. Larry is 100% correct. No crime here.
The other thing some of you must do is research! Research! Research before your trip. Before my trip I had so many facts, figures and emails from everywhere. This forum is valuable. Read the forums first then ask your questions. Odds are it is already answered.
Then to to newsites like cnn.com; wallstreetjournal.com etc. and type in Argentina. Another good one for B.A. is http://www.buenosairesherald.com/
Let your brain soap up information before you leave so you know how it might affect you. This is an adventure....not just a vacation.
I've been back less than a week and talked several hours on the phone from girls from B.A. this past week. The economic situation isn't getting better anytime soon. Two of them I talked to said they were probably going to get up and go work at Cancun here shortly. You know what? It won't matter. This is the oldest profession. There will be girls to replace those girls. It might be sad but it is true.
Have fun. Keep a look out on the Hotel Section of B.A. on this site. I've been bumping into all kinds of new nicer places near Recoleta.
(This is my initial B.A. report, it's about 8 months old. I think it's still of some use -- but remember that all prices quoted here are before the current peso devaluation.)
Buenos Aries is expensive (as compared to Brasil), no way around it. But if you're persistent and patient, good deals may be had.
First place to go may be "Guido" street in Recolata -- right near the famous cemetary. In the last block before it dead-ends are two clubs: "Affluent" and "Password." Both charge about 10-15/drink USD for the guys, and 20-30 for the girls. There's no on-site sex facilities, so you have to take them to a hotel. One drink is mandatory if you want to take the girl out of the place -- which I justify as there exit fee.
If you don't want to take them you your hotel, there're a few in the area that cater by the hour -- about 30 40 USD for this. Ouch.
Another place, close to this (at the end of the street, or promenade, (take a left) that intersects Guido at this block) is "Newport." This is a simple music-bar (with mildly inflated drink prices) wherein independent working girls go to trick. It's very low-pressure. Just go up to a girl you like and start talking.
I was there on a Friday night and there were about 40-50 women -- many pushing a cute 30 years old, but a few young gems, too. I was quoted 150 USD for 1.5 hours and she wouldn't do oral w/o. But of course this is just one woman and by no means a house policy or average.
Now around here, too, is "Black's," a B.A. institution. Expensive. I got together w/ a girl, 300 for two hours, oral w/o, rimmed -- and it was absolutely unbelievable (and I'm a little jaded to all this). She was 22 and stunningly beautiful.
O.k. It's twenty dallars to get in, and 40 USD for a drink for the girl (which is mandatory if you want to take them out). Pretty low pressure despite these prices. I was dessed in a sweater and casual slacks and had no problem w/ the dress code (if there is one). Saw people in jeans in there. I would guess no t-shirts or exercise shoes, though.
These types of clubs (high-end venues), world-wide, tend to only really have two types of women: those who are "too" well-dressed and those who are affecting some sort of corporate-business look. The former look a little like dragon-ladies, and the latter look just too inconsistent with the scene.
Neither of these varieties are at Blacks. This girls are just well-dressed (but not overly so), crazy-fine twenty-somethings.
Next: Avendia Cordoba. There are three cafes along here, "Cafe Orleans" (intersection of Cordoba and San Martin), "Cafe Castelar Bar" (int. at Esmeralda), and "Cafe Exedra" (int. at 9 de Julio) wherein working girls casually hang out in the evenings. These places cater to this service. Drinks are reasonable, the places well-lighted (perhaps too much so), and they all go back to your hotel or another.
Don´t know prices, but would guess somewhere around 150 USD. Women looked older through the windows -- and there were never more than 7-8 at any time in any one place.
One last section: Avendida Cordoba and Tres Sargentos. Here you'll find the famous "Cutty Sark." Pretty lame, if you ask me. 10 USD drinks for the guys, 20 for the girls, take-to-hotel, about 150 USD for 1.5-2 hours. Problem is, there were only about 10-15 girls at any time, and most were 5.5 or below. Sorry to say.
Others have reported good things, though. I went there twice; same both times.
Across the street from this is "El Verde" -- similar to Newport and providing mainly orlder women. Incidentally, there're a few street walkers and the far end of Tres Sargentos. Don't know prices.
P.S. All the trick-prices quoted herein are those stated before negotiactions began. Almost everyone can be talked-down ( make sure to negotiate at Black's!).
This should cover a good portion of the scene. It's not Brasil. Sigh. But I guess it's not that bad, either.
Happy Hunting,
JWadd
JustGotBack
05-21-02, 17:28
Just one last thing. Pay in pesos and pay in cash, even at the hotel. Don't use your credit card. I just got my credit card and bank statements. The credit card company gave me rates from 2.79 - 3.05 pesos per dollar. In comparison, my bank gave me rates of 3.11 - 3.58. I called up my credit card company and they said that banks get better rates.
Just to add my 2 cents also, in all my international travels I've found my Citibank Mastercard gives me consistently better rates (including Argentina) than Amex Corporate, MBNA, and ATT. I can't compare it to other cards as those are the only ones I have.
This is likely due to Citibank's forex presence. Their rate for my last two trips to Argentina in early April and early May have only been about 5-10 cents off the rates at the exchage houses. But in any case, you should expect local exchange houses to nearly always give you a better rate than any credit card.
Saint,
I agree with you totally about not getting involved romantically with these chicas from BA unless you have a fairly high pain threshold and can withstand a fair amount of heartache while you're not together. You can never forget that while you're not with each other your honey is carrying on with countless other eligible men, sometimes they're being flown to foreign countries and are wined and dined for weeks at a time by your competitors. You can't blame the chicas either since this is how they make their living, doing what they do so incredibly well: entertaining and being the unbelivably charming, beautiful creatures that every one of us that's experienced them knows them to be.
I tried sustaining about a year phone and mostly email relationship with a gorgeous girl from one of the provinces that I met in Playwoman. I even brought her over to the US for an unforgettable week of bliss last year. But the biggest problem was that whenever she was with one of her many other "amigos" as she used to call them, we'd be mainly out of contact (she was on assignment, so what could I expect?) and I was jealous as hell! When I complained that it didn't/shouldn't be that way that was the beginning of the end of our relationship.
So now I'm firmly of the belief that you shouldn't get hooked on any one of these fabulous girls but that you should try to experience as many of them as possible and remember that very few of these girls ever completely leave their profession, even as it's been reported by some after they come to the US and marry an American man!! Yes, does "it's hard to teach an old dog new tricks" ring any familiar bells for anybody?
Finally, I'm in love with BA myself, the food, the people (particularly the chicas), the sights, sounds, smell of this city and the entire country, so please don't misinterpret what I'm saying: I'd love to live there half the year if it were possible for me but I think it's best NOT to throw caution to the wind with the chicas of BA. DownBA
DownBA,
I couldn't agree more with your post. For some guys this type of relationship might work but I just couldn't sustain anything long-term. I also think you should try to enjoy as many wonderful girls as possible.
I too not only want to go back to B.A. solely for the girls. It was the whole atmosphere over there. The way of life. The people, the food, the surroundings. Granted, I've gotten more into reality since getting back. But my heart and body still want to be back in B.A.
I've already started making my arrangements for my trip in December. This trip should be even better. I've enrolled in intensive Spanish classes that I plan on taking all summer and through the fall. I hope to be fluent by December which should make things more interesting. I plan on taking L.A. Larry's advice and spending a day or two in La Plata. I plan on spending 5 nights in Mar Del Plata.
I hope those of you that go over the next few months will keep us all posted on the goings on in our favorite city. Good luck everyone.
Larry,
First of all, no matter what you'll love the ocean views from your hotel. Make sure you get a suite with an ocean view. I can't tell you how many people I talk to go all the way down to Cancun only to get the "Lagoon view". It's definitely worth it to upgrade to a Club level type room even though it costs more.
Cancun is not a destination I would go to only for the girls. I have been down to Cancun several times before for a legitimate vacation. It was only the last time in December that I went to any of the chica type clubs. I've been all over the Caribbean and Cancun has some of the prettiest ocean stretches in the world. It's a touristy city but it's a short flight for me.
Yes, Cancun was VERY expensive. If you read my posts you'll notice all these guys that say I overpaid and that it is crazy to pay those kind of rates because it was Mexico. Forget your in Mexico because rates are high for high quality girls. The rates are similar to the US for high class girls. Here in the US any high class escort will charge anywhere from $250 - $300 per hour.
As far as a comparison, keep in mind at some of the clubs like Bolero or Shampoo many of the girls are from South America. You might even bump into girls from Buenos Aires or Brazil that you saw down there. Several of the girls come to Cancun for a few months to make some serious money then go back down to S. America. I have talked to about 3 girls in Buenos Aires that do this. One of them is headed down there next month and her sister is already there now. They get a hotel room or apartment and like 3-6 of them will share it due to the high cost down there. They will work like slaves for 2-4 months then go back home.
As you can imagine it's like night and day. Hard to compare the girls but I'll do my best to try. Buenos Aires is more upscale, more refined and more sophisticated. Cancun is raw, expensive and seedier (at least in the clubs). Most of the girls are Mexican in the clubs. Generally their bodies are rounder, their hips and waists are bigger unlike the marvelous Argentinian women with their small waists and tiny asses.
The girls are also more jaded in Cancun vs. Buenos Aires. It's all about money in both places but the girls in Cancun don't fool around (at least the ones in the club). The private girls I met outside the club were nicer, better in bed, more GFE (girlfriend experience), more generous with their time than the club girls. The other thing you will have less luck with is paying in Pesos in Cancun. The society there is dominated by US dollars. The girls will almost demand US Dollars or the equivolent conversion rate. In the clubs like Millenium, Blackjacks, Bolero and Shampoo I don't care what some of the guys say.... most likely you will not pay less than $200 - $300 US per hour or 1 1/2 hours for a hot girl.
The private girls are cheaper at around $125 - $150 US for around 1 1/2 - 2 hours. I saw more private girls than club girls just for the fact that it was a long drive to some of the clubs. Also, I went down for a normal vacation too. It is an expensive city. No way around it.
Larry, BA has definitely spoiled me. Nothing will be the same PBA (Post Buenos Aires) for me. I still can't get it out of my head. If I won the lottery you guys might not ever hear from me again...LOL. But as far as never going to Cancun again? I'll be there again and again. Maybe not to see the girls but it's too easy for me to go to. In fact, I might go down July 4th weekend with "Slash" from this board. He has also been down several times and we email occassionally. Read his posts... he knows Cancun well and has seen many more girls there than I have.
If you are going with your wife, you still can get some action. I read about some new place you can go to during the day. I'm sure you're wife will go shopping for a few hours and you can get a quick session in.
I can tell you that PBA I will NEVER pay a US escort again. Nothing can compare with being in the arms of a gorgeous girl in Buenos Aires, waking up next to her, then watching her go out the door only to have another hot Buenos Aires girl a few hours later... (even in a crappy bed). Ha, ha.....Life is good!
Saint--
You hit the nail right on the head about Post Buenos Aires syndrome: It "cures" of the desire to ever for a US Escort again.
You become completely spoiled by Argentina girls (and more probably) the incrediably low prices for sex.
It seems the very summit of absurdity to pay some American Escort $300 for poor or bad service--for a lousy hour!!!
In Buenos Aires---$300 dollars equals $1050 pesos....You know from experience that the same amount of money would get you a hot 22 year old 7,8 or 9 (better than anything you could ever find in America) for an entire weekend. And the sex would be phenomenal. Nothing like the clock watching escorts in LA.
American escorts are the worst. And the prettier they are--usually the more phony, the worse their attitude is....
Viva Las Mujeres de Argentina!
Larry, Saint and other BA buddies:
I agree wih Larry that I'll NEVER see an American escort again now that I've been to Buenos Aires 3 times and enjoyed the unbelievable style of getting laid with some of the most beautiful and charming women in the universe. But one nice thing that I've taken advantage of here in the states is that there are often genuine Argentinian escorts living or visiting the US that do business here in exactly the same style as they do in BA. I've seen two lovelies from BA already in the states, one right in my backyard while she was living within a 40 minute drive from my home and office and another who works in Black in BA while she was visiting and working in S. Florida. They both gave me the unparalleled service and GFE that I've grown to love in BA. One of them, Nataly, a gorgeous redhead from www.platynum.com went out for dinner with me in South Beach, we held hands, chatted comfortably in Spanish, shared a bottle of wine and great Argentinean steak dinner, made out on the street beside my car and then went to a motel and had some of the best sex of my life. Just like having an awesome girlfriend for the night! Will I do this again the next opportunity I have? You bet your ass!!
But in ending I do have to repeat that BA is so awesome in every respect that it takes my breath away and makes me want to rejoice in being a hot-blooded American man with a taste for the tastiest women on the planet!! Happy mongering,DownBA
Greetings Gentlemen,
I have visited this site several times in the past week, and want to thank you all for your insightful comments. I have some questions, but also interested in any other thoughts you can share about Argentina for a first time visitor.
Up until recently, I had been planning a return trip to Europe this summer. I wanted to head back to eastern europe; Prague, Vienna, Budapest, but have given pause after reading about Buenos Aires here.
My first questions is with regards to the weather in Argentina during July, I am aware of the seasonal opposites with America, however, I've never been there so I'm curious what you all have experienced in their winter; how cold? does it rain constantly? etc.
Your postings about the women have been quite inspiring, as I've encountered many of the same issues you've compared with American escorts, I've traveled for business to many cities, and have sampled Atlanta, Las Vegas, New Orleans, to name a few.
I've been to Amsterdam about 4 times, for business and pleasure, but last year visited Prague for the first time. I was very impressed with "the scene" in Prague, I met some very fun women and had a great time. As much as I love Prague, and want to return again, I'm very curious about Buenos Aires now.
Admittedly, the financial advantages of the US Dollar to the Peso are quite appealing, but there seems to be more to your feelings about BA than just the exchange rates. Comparing the Dollar-Euro exchange to the Dollar-Peso exchange really catches my eye.
I had planned to do a back-packing trip for three weeks in europe, because it's easy to get around by train. As I consider changing my plan to Argentina, I'd appreciate any thoughts you could share about what type of travel sites I should see in addition to Buenos Aires, given that it'll be July.
After reading some of your posts, I think I may rent an apartment in BA for the first week, then travel a bit, returning to BA during the third week.
For some reason "Lonely Planet" travel books don't share any of the pearls-of-wisdom about meeting women...so I humbly ask for your guidance.
Thanks,
keg
Keg,
I know you won't regret your decision to go to Buenos Aires over Europe. Actually you might think you are in Europe. As L.A. Larry described earlier, you might feel like you are in Europe (at least if you are in the Recoleta area). I can't say the same thing for the rest of the city. They don't call B.A. the "Switzerland of South America" for nothing.
Some Observations:
**** The exchange rate is amazing. This is truly a unique situation and these kind of occurrences do not happen often. Their financial crises is especially severe and will take a while to correct itself. The other day it went over 3.5 to the dollar. Anything over 3 in my book is awesome!
**** If you are dead set on "backpacking"....bring your backpack and go on a journey for those of us stuck in the USA. Visit some other small towns and give us new material. I'd love to hear about new areas. Maybe take the train and hit towns like La Plata, Mar del Plata, and the other many cities around B.A.
**** The girls on Platynum were the girls that showed up at your door but in my humble opinion they aren't as good looking as their pictures. Keep in mind they are posting their best pictures with make up, good lighting, some pics might not be that up to date. I met Adrianna and I totally trust her and her site but the few girls I met looked better on their website than in person. Don't get me wrong. I had a great session with all of them but many of the girls in B.A. don't wear that much make up. Sometimes it makes a big difference. I saw 3 girls from the Area-VIP site and they all looked much better on the site. (Although my friend saw Candela from Area-VIP and he said she was better in person. I dont' think she is on the site anymore though).
Some good websites for Buenos Aires girls:
www.platynum.com.ar
www.escorts-argentina.com
www.area-vip.com.ar
www.sensualbaires.com
www.mundoapart.com.ar
**** I think Larry is right. If you are in town for more than a week and go to Playwoman or Black's every single night it could get semi uncomfortable shooting down the same women every night. Break up your trip and hit La Plata a night or two. Also, Jackson mentioned there are tons of other great clubs. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I didn't really like Hooks, Ness and that other club next to it. But maybe it was an off night when I visited.
**** As far as the weather I got really lucky but when I left it rained a lot so you might want to bring a good umbrella. It doesn't get that cold down there but to them 55 degrees is "freezing".
Check out this website for a perspective on weather
http://www.weatherbase.com/weather/weather.php3?s=067578&refer=
**** If you want to rent an apartment I can refer you to a girl that speaks English fluently that can help you arrange a good deal. She is fairly tied in to the community down there and can negotiate good rates for you. Stays of 3 nights or longer is the only criteria for her to work with you on an apartment rental. You may want to check out tons of nice hotel-apartment places too. There are a ton of them.
*** Good websites for good airfair to B.A.
http://www.hotwire.com
http://www.orbitz.com
http://www.us.despegar.com
**** Bring plenty of money with you. Who knows if the banks will shut down again. Also, if you get money exchanged make sure you get Federal Notes. They have some Provencial notes there and some people have had problems with it. When you visit a Casa de Cambio (money exchange place) make sure you look at all the money they give you and it is the Federal Money with the security measures like on our new Currency. Their money is the exact same size as US Currency so the bills will fit in your wallet.
Always pay in pesos! You get the best rate that way. Most of the places did not have smaller 2, 5, 10 or 20 peso notes. Try as I did I couldn't really get any. Sometimes in a taxi I had to just give them $1 bills and when I ran out a few times I had to give them $5 bills which is expensive since I had no smaller bills. All the exchange houses give you big 100 or 50 peso notes. Many people will say they don't have change. My suggestion is to bring a ton of $1 bills with you.
**** Also bring some Pepto Bismol with you. I had a hard time finding it even in the pharmacies in the Recoleta area. They had some kind of Mylanta chewable pills but they didn't work that well. Finally one of my amigos gave me a bottle he got in the pharmacy there. I also brought like 6 brand new toothbrushes before going down based on a friend's advice. I gave one to each chica that did an all nighter. They all appreciated it. It's the little thoughtful things that make the difference sometimes. I also brought some gifts with me like small stuffed animals, chocolates, etc. with me to give to each of the girls. They all really appreciated it. Bring any other medicine that you use here that you might need. You probably can find it there but why risk it.
**** Bring plenty of condoms! You're gonna need them. All the girls have their own but some only had a few and if you go multiple rounds you can burn through a ton quickly. The girls all must really like US Condoms. Several of them stopped me a few times because they couldn't believe I had one on. They thought it broke or something but none broke.
I'm sure much of this information is repeated earlier in posts. I'm sure I also left out a ton of stuff. Hopefully it helps you. Take the time to go back to the archives and read the valuable information. Also, you new guys going please take the time to post your updated information. Don't just take from this site....give some back. Thanks!
Yes, by all means bring American condoms. I had a session with Carim/Definia/Sophia A.K.A. a whole bunch of other names (I'll post about that session later.) She used some local condoms that felt like bicycle inner tubes to me.
Also if you check the archives you'll that several chaps where charged 10 pesos for a condom when they came up empty handed.
Saint,
Thanks for all the great info. from your posts, they were great. You mentioned an English speaking women who arranges apartment rentals, can you provide her name and number (or e-mail if possible), I'm planning a trip to BA in Oct. or Nov. I always rent apartments when I go to Rio and would like to do same in BA. When is your next trip to Argentina?? I'm always looking to hook up with fellow travelers, chasin' the Chica's is always more fun with a wingman.
I'm off to Rio in July. I'll post on the other board when I return. I've always had a blast in Rio but BA sounds like a blast too.
Business will me bring down to BA in a couple of weeks for a few days. From what I can tell, most the action is around the Recoleta area. What hotel is close to that area? My time is very limited so I would appreciate knowing of any suggestions for best hot spots? If any of the normally mentioned clubs are closed due to financial situation, please advise. Post or feel free to e mail directly at asiaman18@hotmail.com. Also any phone numbers of girls that will come to the hotel will also be helpful. As I said I have limited hunting time.
Thanks all
No problem Rxhammer. Email me and I'll provide you with her email. Although, please don't mention the chicas with her. I'm sure she wouldn't care but still. My next trip is in December for 15 or 16 days. (saintofba@hotmail.com)
Asiaman, as far as the Recoleta area. I really liked it a lot. Black's and Playwoman were in Recoleta but different strokes for different folks. As hard as it is for me to imagine, you might not like Playwoman or Blacks (although I think there is every type in those 2 clubs). Recoleta is the nicest part of town. As far as hotels in that immediate area, I noticed three of them.
(1) Alvear Palace (http://www.alvearpalace.com/indexen.htm) Hands down the best hotel in the city. If money is no object I would book here. Even with the economic turmoil a room still goes for over $200 US/ night. It is immaculate though.
(2) LoiSuites (http://www.loisuites.com.ar/ingles/Recoletai/recoletai.htm). Also right in the heart of the action. Very close to Playwoman and Restaurant Row. Looked very new and modern. Rates right now for a Junior suite are running about $120 US/ night.
(3) Etoile ( http://www.etoile.com.ar)
The location is hard to beat. The staff was outstanding. The rooms were big. The rates were GREAT but I'm not sure I'd stay here again due to the poor beds. You might want to consider it though. It's hard to beat those prices and the location as mentioned is outstanding. Here are the rates cut and pasted from an email from Maria Julieta in Reservations. She is great by the way.
Standard Room: $110 pesos + tax ( 21% )
Executive Suite: $132 pesos + tax ( 21% )
Diplomatic Suite: $154 pesos + tax ( 21% )
Email her at: hotel@etoile.com.ar to make a reservation.
As far as the girls go, ANY of them will come to your hotel room. I'm not providing phone numbers on a public board. All the girls on any of those websites I listed below will come to your room. It doesn't get any easier than this no matter how busy you are. Good luck.
Saint,
Thank you for all the excellent information. I had planned to go to Kiev and Odessa this December, but I checked all the sites you listed, and the prices can't be beat. The girls look beautiful for the most part, something for anybody's taste. Anyway, just booked my flights through Travelocity, less than $900 roundtrip from Detroit was a deal. Hope to see you in BA.
AB
Two things--
1) what's up with my beloved city? Are their any mongers on the ground in Buenos Aires? Let's here about the economy, the state of the nation, and the hobby scene.....Please somebody post a travel report so that I can live vicariously.....
{The other day the wife was bitching at me so bad and I was ruminating on how tenuous the world situation is (nuclear standoff in India/Pak) that I was THIS CLOSE to pulling up stakes, driving out to LAX and flying down to Argentina....You know--start a whole new existence down there. Become a full time monger. I figure with my savings I can afford to stay in 3 star hotel for a at least a couple of years}
2) Saint & Others:
I know you are planning another trip in December--so I have to make a recommendation to you about something that slipped my mind (I actually wrote an entire report of this trip on the old forum but the damn thing didn't take and I didn't have the enrgy to re-write it)
When I was last in BA--people kept telling me about the city of Colonia which is in Uruguay (only 40 minutes by ferry from BA). Everyone raved that it is the most romantic, picturesque city in all of South America.....Has some beautiful cobblestone streets, quaint shops, romantic hotels--the perfect retreat for a 24 hour excursion with a girl you meet in a bar.
Anyway--lemme cut to the chase. One of the secretaries in my BA office agreed to go with me (she's in the process of getting divorced) and I figured what the hell--she was a solid 6.75 / age 34 / two kids / DD cup / about 5'5 and 140 lbs / Great ass / must have been stunning when she was in her early 20s!
We took the ferry over to Colonia, walked around, dined al fresco and fucked the night away (actually only a couple of times and then we both passed out)
But my point is---YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE EFFORT TO GET THE BAR GIRLS TO GO WITH YOU TO COLONIA.....My Agentino associates use the city as their haven.
The city has no hobby scene that I could determine (not that I looked) so you have to bring a girl there.
ALL THE BAR GIRLS KNOW ABOUT COLONIA.......And if they don't have kids at home--they'll go with you for a rate to be negotiated (I'd say for around 400 pesos for the 24 hours; maybe even less if you have decent rapport with the girl.)
I agree with Larry. I check the board everyday and really wish there were more reports on the scene in B.A. :( Every chance I get I think about the possibility of sneaking away for a long weekend down there. (The long flight brings me back to reality though).
One of my amigos is heading down to B.A. this coming weekend and should give me detailed information so I'll keep everyone posted or I'll tell him to post here.
Alanblues, you're certainly welcome. A few guys emailed me and told me they were headed to B.A. based on my posts. That's what it is all about. It was L.A. Larry's posts that had me sold on B.A. At this rate, the Buenos Aires Chamber of Commerce should give Larry and I a key to the city...Ha, ha.
Larry, I definitely will check out Colonia. Do you know if you have to have a Visa to go to Uruguay? In December, I want to really branch out and discover new territory. I'm bringing my laptop this time and should be able to post detailed reports every day or every few days or so. I also might take a 2 day trip to Brazil if I can get a Visa quickly in Buenos Aires while I'm down there. Has anyone gotten a Visa for Brazil from it's embassay in Buenos Aires? If so, please post how quickly it was obtained.
Also, I really like the idea of taking a chica to Colonia but I don't want to get stuck romancing her the whole time I'm there. My goal is to see as many girls as possible in 16 days. Hopefully I can average one girl in the day and one girl at night almost every day. This may be a record for me. Anyone that has dated a girl in Buenos Aires have any tips for being able to "have your cake and eat it too"? I met a regular girl from a restaurant while I was down there and have been emailing with her. Her English is pretty good. She invited me to stay at her apartment in December! I had to politely tell her that I already made hotel reservations.
If anyone needs the email address of a good, honest and reputable florist in B.A. email me (saintofba@hotmail.com). I found one and they were spectacular. They delivered roses the same day I ordered them. It was under 50 pesos for a dozen roses with other flowers mixed in. That's less than $15 US!
Good luck fellow amigos.
Yabba, GREAT! Good luck. I know you'll have a wonderful time. I look forward to reading your report. Not sure how long you are staying but you may want to hook with with another guy I know that will be in BA this weekend. Email me and I'll give you his email address.
Saddam69, Umm....I'm not sure if you made a typo or if you are posting in the wrong city. "Help" is a disco that is in Rio in Brazil. NOT Buenos Aires. Read what other gentlemen and myself posted about Blacks, Playwoman and other clubs on Sundays. They are certainly open but the selection is not as good. It's slower as it is one of the only days of the week some girls take off. Even many of the girls I called from Platynum.com and Areavip.com.ar did not answer their phones or return phone messages on Sundays. I am still sure you'll find something that peaks your interest though. Good luck.
Starfe, I'm sure the countdown has already begun for you. Let's do lunch again before you leave and we can talk more "shop".
Hello Guys:
Wow!!! I am new to this site but what a great resource. A friend of mine introduced me to this site and BA. The women are incredible; simply amazing.
Getting to BA for me is difficult. It is easier to book someone to come to me. Has anyone booked any girls to come to you? Which sites/Agencies/independents have you used? or recommend? Are they open where you can tell them what you are looking for?
Would appreciate any assistance!!
Desert,
You're gonna have not much success trying to do that. I read a great article today in my local paper about the problems the USA is having with Argentinians that are coming here on a tourist visa and never leaving. They have really halted all visas to the United States. It might have been easy in the past to bring a chica here from Argentina but those days are over.
Yabba, I sent my friend an email telling him where you are staying. Hopefully you two can hook up. Have fun.
Saint
Ya What I meant was Blacks. My final destination is Peru but after having read all your reviews (including the archives) is that i will transit thru BA and not Sao not Caracas, not Rio, not San Tiago just BA Will try and adjust plans so to get to spend SAT there How is SATURDAY by the way
So since time is limited and its just 1 day and 1 night The night will be at Black & Playwoman what about the day any reccomendations for any nice escorts or ill have to settle for that Spa u mentioned earlier
There are 3 sheratons in Buenos Area can any one update me on the three with guest policy and distance from Recoleta - Would appreciate
Saint:
Though I am American I currently work outside the US so getting a visa to the current country I am a resident of is no problem.
OttoGraham
06-04-02, 13:17
Hello one and all.
I have been lurking on this board for a while, it is vastly entertaining! I am the one who sent Desert over here; poor sod, I am trying to convince him to visit BA with me but he does all this muttering about work responsibilities keeping him at his post.
Perhaps in contrast to some hobbyists, I tend to enjoy the company of one woman for several days or a week, rather than a different one each day.
My Spanish being of the "Donde esta la casa de Pepe" variety, does anybody have a suggestion or three about any of the girls on Platynum, AreaVIP or any other site who would be a pleasant, decent-English-speaking companion for a longer period?
Thanks in advance for the feedback - if you'd feel more comfortable emailing a reply, my addy is OttoGraham@hotmail.com.
Hi guys.
First of all. I just want to say that I'm glad so many new guys are going to discover the pleasures of Buenos Aires. I do hope that everyone has as much fun as my amigos and I had. I will note that my friend told me about some guy that posted on another message board that didn't like BA compared to Brazil. Keep in mind that although I've never been to Brazil I can tell you they are like night and day when you compare them.
Brazil has more daytime action. The girls in Brazil typically are younger. Also, from what everyone tells me the girls are darker complected.
Different strokes for different folks. So when you're reading my reports or any other member's report... keep in mind their taste in women might be different. However, I can tell you that I saw a braod spectrum of girls in Buenos Aires. The only type I didn't see was black girls. I only saw one.
There is good news and bad news if you go to Buenos Aires and can't find any hot girls and don't have a good session. The good news is you will save a ton of money on sessions. The bad news is YOU'RE HOMOSEXUAL! LOL. I had to throw that in. Seriously, if you can't find any hot girls to your liking in BA, you may want to look down and make sure you have a penis.
Otto: Yes, the board can be entertaining and hopefully educational too. I saw a few girls from Platynum and Area VIP. Some of them said "English spoken". Keep in mind if it says that, most likely it means they can say, "$100 US for one hour". That's about it. I'm not exaggerating. Very few girls in Buenos Aires speak English at all. My suggestion would be to email Adrianna (the webmistress at Platynum) and ask her specifically which girls speak good English. She is very honest and will give you her honest assessment. You just want to make sure the girl is your taste looks wise.
Desert: If that is the case you are in luck! Almost all the girls I talked to had passports. If you're in a country with no visa restrictions then I'm sure you can work out an acceptable arrangement. You might have to pay a deposit or something like that. I'm not sure how it would work since they don't know you. Be careful when you set this arrangement up. Several of the girls I spoke to and are currently speak to go to countries around them with businessmen (Brazil, Chile, Uruguay, Paraguay, etc.). Not sure there is a going rate but if I had to guess it would be anywhere from $300 US - $500 US per day plus the plane ticket and any other expenses. That is only a guess based on what some of the girls told me they were getting. Maybe other guys can post that have done this.
Saddam69: Saturday is surprising not as good as you would think. It was noticeably slower than Friday. Thursdays and fridays are the best night in BA. That being said I'm sure you won't have any problems finding a girl.
As far as during the day, Platynum and Area VIP are great. Also, email me (saintofba@hotmail.com). I'll provide you with some phone numbers of a few girls I saw if that helps. Generally all girls will come to your hotel. Not sure about the Sheraton question. Good luck!
Been here for a couple of days and thought I should contribute a few words while I´m here. Firstly, Hotel Plaza Francia is fine. Not 5 or even 4 stars, but comfortable, v friendly staff, and guests no problem, they just have to sign an ID form and up you go. No cost if you have a ´junior executive suite´, at $75 less 10% discount. Its a 2 minute walk from the Etoile and Newport. Only problem is unless you get one of the higher floors, there could be bad traffic noise. Maybe there are better alternatives but its not a bad choice if the Etoile is full. Great view of the Rio Plata and the city from the top floors though.
Saw Barbara today, of area-Vip, argentina-erotica. I think it was Saint´s report in April/May archives that put me onto her. Everything he said was true, very friendly, and all afternoon for 300 pesos.
We went to lunch in Puerto Madero. Great restaurant, unbelievable prices, and better by far than anything I´ve seen in Recoleta. Dozens of restaurants, bars, hotels etc in converted wharehouses next to the old docks. This place is only 3 yrs old and definitely worth checking out. We went to a place called Puerto Cristal, highly recommended. Barbara said given the choice she´d go to Puerto Madero everytime. Cab fare about 7 pesos.
Very safe atmosphere everywhere I´ve been so far, but I´ve been told by several people, don´t go anywhere near La Boca or any of the southern subhurbs, unless you enjoy being robbed.
Barbara said be careful of the low cost girls in Clarin, a lot of them are ladronas, will steal your money!
Lastly, I´ve found speaking reasonable spanish really goes a long way, so get a few phrases down before you come and it will help.
Saint--
Re: Mar Del Plata (sorry for posting it here) if you remember i wrote a report about a Brasilian girl I met in a bar in MDP--well I was just trolling around the platynum site in BA and found a girl that looks virtually exactly like this girl--only the one I had in MDP was younger.
Go to the playtynum site and search for a girl named ZOE (warning this girl is not an escort; there's an asterisks and she is probably just some professional stripper model)
I am making this post--so my fellow brothers understand that I had something as delicious as this for under $50 dollars. Anal, BBBJ and she even let me watch her pee standing up in a bidet.
This is the kind of porn star quality that you can find in Argentina!
http://www.platynum.com.ar/
Jaybee,
Wow. What a good post. It's exciting to see we have a member that is in "ground zero" of my favorite chica spot. The situation definitely sounds dire. :( If anyone wants to get a glimpse of how bad it is... go the the general section and read the article that I posted.
It really puts things in perspective. As Jaybee mentioned, the value now is outstanding for us. BA was formally very expensive for everyone. Now it's just expensive for the locals. As I mentioned a few weeks ago when someone was complaining about hotel prices. Keep in mind some of these same rooms were going for over $150 US/ night just before January and the devaluation.
I don't really think anyone is an "expert". Maybe guys that go to BA over and over and over. Part of the fun is learning new things and trying new places. With the economic mess, you'll see girls added to Platynum every day. If you want, go to the site http://www.platynum.com.ar/Entretenimiento/EntretenimientoEnglish.htm and click on the "News" button. You can then sign up to get daily emails whenever they add a new girl, a girl changes her # or a girl adds new pictures. It's actually pretty cool.
Another thing that Jaybee mentioned that I tend to agree with is you gotta be aware of the bait and switch routine. If you read one of my posts while I was there you'll see some girl called my room from the hotel lobby. It was the day after I saw one of the girls from Platynum. This girl that called said she was her. I think maybe her friend told her she saw me and was hoping that I'd see her once she came up to my room. Do NOT be afraid to tell the girl to leave if she is not the girl that you wanted. IMHO, there is never an excuse for a bait and switch.
Larry, thanks for that info. Hopefully the rest of you guys don't mind these posts. I think they are all on subject and I haven't heard any complaints yet. That girl is smoking hot Larry. I'm definitely hitting Mar Del Plata. Something tells me that I won't last till December without going back.
SteveC, thanks for that "live" update. I think it's posts like yours that are helpful. Especially things like describing the rooms, noise, etc. :)
Speaking of that... one of our fellow members, Otto, told me today about some GREAT airfares on United Airlines. Go to their webpage and click on Latin Summer Sale. There are some weekend get away fares to BA from cities like Los Angeles, DC and Miami. From Miami was $543; from LA was $643; from DC was $599 . What a steal! Good luck all.
OttoGraham
06-05-02, 13:28
Otto Graham and his traveling road show will be hitting Buenos Aires from June 27 through July 3. Updates galore are promised, debauchery a certainty.
Any compadres planning to be in-country at the same time? Perhaps such a weekend is spent in company? Give me a shout if interested.
As Saint said, check www.united.com for EXCEPTIONAL rates - I am going down for a total price of just under $600, round-trip.
United "e-fare" tickets for the coming weekend (at ~$500, depending on departure city) have to be bought by Friday June 7th, though. Sometimes, but not always, such promotions are repeated for subsequent weekends. A word to the wise is sufficient.
as i walked down this poorly lit street where i am staying...art suites... a man convinced me to follow him to playwomen...little did he know it was my destination...i arrived early...about ten and there where about 6 stunning 20 somthings...a five foot 10 blond approaches me...she is bonita and better still speaks english...her name that night is fanny...she takes me away from the bar and leads me to one of the couches...there she promisses that for a hundred bucks US she will return to my place for one and a half hours and deliver me the pleasure i so needed twice... boys, let me tell you this long haired blond had perfect firm breasts and long lean legs. she told me that although she would not fool around much at the club, rest assured i would be blown away when we got to my place...oh my god....as we departed at about eleven there were at least 25 stunning barbie dolls swirling around...playwomen was fantasy island for me..the only thing missing was ricardo mantalban and papoo...2 twenty peso drinks got her out of there..they were almost all water...i tasted them...mine was 20 also...not a bad cover for a barbie doll wallmart...when we got to my place this young thing of 25 did not miss a beat, had great attitude, super covered bj the guiltfree way i prefer and the rest was all a blast...a 2 time blast....boys enjoy this report....you got the payback comming....will be here for a while...yabba...one more thing...i know that price is an issue so i dont ruin the market place so i will bargain going forward...i just got used to paying 250 for the same thing in the states and they were not as stunning
Hey Yabba....
Take this in the spirit its given (friendship)....The next time a chica tells you 100 US Dollars--tell her. "¡TU ERES LOCA!" and then laugh like she said the most ludicrous thing in the world.....
These girls talk and the next night you can bet that her girl friends will know you have deep pockets.
I had several girls out of Playwoman for a few hours for 150 pesos in March. I think I paid 200 pesos.
I hope that the 100 charge isn't a rate adjustment the girls have made to offset inflation. If that's the case then I would have to rethink my adventures in Argentina.
Please keep the reports coming
Hey Yabba,
Way to go! My favorite place no less. I was like you.... $100 US would have been a bargain in the USA so I didn't care. However, if they ask for US Dollars always tell them you don't have any and ask for a Peso price. I can almost guarantee you'll get a lower quote in Pesos. Many first quoted $100 US or 250 pesos. The rate right now is over 3.6 so I don't need to tell you what that translates to.
I do think with the extreme drop of the peso the girls will raise their prices when you pay in pesos. That is to be expected. Also remember that the sheer number of chicas vs. the low number of guys there will keep the prices in check. It's the classic case of supply vs. demand. Also, you'll notice that every day there are new girls on Platynum. I'm sure there are tons of new girls in the clubs. There are simply no jobs there and it's one of the only ways for a pretty girl to make some money.
I'm jealous Yabba! But remember ALWAYS pay in pesos. If the girl gives you any grief just ask her if you are in Buenos Aires or if you are in America?! Many a nights I paid 200 or 300 pesos for a shorter visit (2-3 hours) when I'm sure I could have paid less but I didn't negotiate. It's ok if you're there for only a few days but it will save you a ton as it all adds up. Pay what you think is fair. No matter what anyone says... no one person is gonna ruin the market for others. Like I said...supply and demand. Have fun and keep the reports coming!
P.S. PLEASE also post on the quality of the Art Suites. What is great about it? How are the rooms? Beds? Staff, etc.? Thanks.
Hey, Yabba
Glad to see you arrived in one piece. Hopefully Art Suites are as nice as the pix, because I'm there also. I get in Monday morning. Don't use up all the chicas before I get there. I'll track you down when I get there--you mentioned something about telling the desk you are Yabba...
Counting the minutes...
umgman and others comming to town contact info is in other section...la larry, saint...your feedback and message is clear...Iwill pay in pesos only, now that I have them and will use the 150 200 peso benchmark for a few hour stay and report back...thanks...art suites is clean...beds are firm and the place is new...you get your own apartment and a doorman is on duty all night...managment speaks good english...ask for Lucia or Lupa the daughter...they say what you do there is your business and the doorman was veryjealous the other night when I walked in with the evenings entertainment...by the way..the continental breakfast is delivered to your door every day at the time you want...maids every day also...everything same as hotel...over and out
Fat Bastard
06-07-02, 18:39
Somewhere in the reams of messages in WSG, one of our peers said he had good luck just looking at the classifieds. Sure enough, there are several that are cheap cheap...$30 pesos. So I had one come over last week. She came to my hotel, screwed me, gave me a handjob later, and left. For the grand total of 50 pesos..less than $16. Sure it was sight unseen, but she was just fine. Her and a group of another half dozen women work together out of one apartment.
One of my BA amigos just told me about this site. It's kind of tricky getting to see all the pictures without registering but the easiest way I found is to go to:
http://www.ciudad.com.ar
Then it will take you to a page that looks like some newspaper site. Where it gives you the search function "buscar".... Type in "rubro 59 ar" exactly like that. It then takes you to a search engine page. click on option #1
It should then open up to the page of girls. It eventually takes you to: http://www.rubro59.com.ar
There might be another easier way to bring up this page but I haven't found it. This way works. Some of the girls are the same as Platynum. I think this is actually a page for locals or something. I'm not sure. If you notice some of the price quotes are VERY, VERY low. Some don't have prices. Keep in mind the girls might not honor their quoted prices but some are in US Dollars so you might be able to say you saw them on that sight.
Can one of you guys there check it out. Some of the girls look hot. One of the girls that is on Platynum has a quote of $42 US for one hour. One girl has $15 US per hour (last girl on the page). Yabba, Umgman, or any others down there might want to check it out and report.
Also, if any of you come across sites like this..please post it and share with your fellow WSG brothers. Thanks.
Saint
P.S. One of the guys from the board just tried making a reservation at the Etoile for this summer and she quoted 225 pesos + 21% tax for an executive room. I think the laws of supply and demand are working against us on this one. Maybe all these posts talking about the Etoile have caused them to raise their prices a little. Granted there is gonna be an increase because the exchange rate is so damn good but that is still about $15 US more per night than I paid less than a month ago. In my opinion there are better options at the $75 US/night price range.
I mentioned it before but email this girl who lives in BA. She can negotiate a good deal for you at most of the places. She speaks English very well. I tested it out. I had a friend call a hotel that speaks fluent Spanish from the US and got a good rate. Then I had her contact them and she got about $12 US/night off the rate. Every little bit adds up. You can tell her you know "saint" if you want. Or you don't have to.
mayri05@hotmail.com
Also...some guys have emailed me asking me what certain things stand for. GFE= Girlfriend Experience; PSE = Porn Star Experience; BBBJ= Bareback Blowjob (BJ without condom); CBJ = Covered BJ; FS= full service sex ; CFS = Covered FS
Saint, this definitely a day full of ironies for me. That is the site I just sent you an email about. Here is the direct link:
http://www.gemidos.com.ar/rubro59/
Enjoy everyone.
The link I listed is an english language version and doesn't have any prices listed. Some but not all of the girls are on both versions.
high noon at Orleans...just finished walking down florida street for pedestrians only and there it was...at least 6 girls there at the time and I am ready to play. As previously posted, these girls will not approach you, but with a little eye contact and a smile they act as if they just spoted a long lost family member.The women were attractive...though a clear cut below the quality at playwomen the previous night...picked out a 26 year old brunette who was buxom with a small butt. Bought her an expresso...now thats what I call a reasonable barfine...asked how much and she said 200 pesos...we were on our way...2 shots...Only dissapointment was she was wearing a power bra...I must confess I find it very hard to stay up late as this town really dosnt get going till 11 or 12 at night...Orleans at high noon
My research led me to this site, which should be called AR/BA Central. Thanks to all the posters. Here are a couple of links I stumbled across:
http://www.mujeres59.com.ar/
http://www.leclub69.com/
Hola amigos. My friend who is in Buenos Aires now has been sending me updates. (I'm so jealous it hurts). He bumped into one of my amigas in Playwoman last night and she had good things to say so that was nice to hear. Here is the text of what he wrote:
"The exchange rate is 3.6 so life is good. Food prices are starting to rise. Many menus have new written in prices. Taxi from the airport was 42 pesos instead of 33 last time. Taxis are the same price. 150 pesos seems to be the minimum these days for short time (maybe could negotiate strongly for 100, but probably would affect session quality). I did get a TLN for 200 from a hot girl at Hook last night. So again, prices are about the same.
I think just about everywhere, the girl drinks are 20 pesos now. A typical drink for a guy is 8 to 10 pesos. "***
*** Keep in mind I don't think this applies to Black's where last time I paid 40 pesos for girls *****.
Sounds like prices are virtually the same from a month ago. I didn't really negotiate so I paid much higher prices but I will negotiate in December when I go back.
Another thing that makes a huge difference is if you can speak some Spanish. It helps tremendously. I speak basic Spanish and it was nice conversing with the girls. My friend is trying to learn basic phrases and learn a ton of vocabulary which he said has made a big difference for him. Even a chica he saw last time told him how big of an improvement his Spanish has taken. I myself am trying to learn and become fluent eventually.
I've enrolled in some intensive classes and bought a pretty cool English-Spanish translators last week. The price was fairly steep at $125. It was a Franklin translator that has a built in audio speaker so it tells you how to say the words too. It also congegates the words. I bought it at OfficeMax in case anyone wants to check it out. Have fun guys.
Saint
super6stud9
06-09-02, 16:40
GREAT TIMES IN Buenos Aires.
Hello fellow Hobbiest,
I am considering a trip to Buenos Aires soon with the great pricing down there. I passed over BA and headed to eastern Europe last year because of prices, but BA looks great now. I speak fuent spanish.
What would be your recommendations, tips in BA, also a cheap hotel (I rather spend the money on the girls, most have appartments anyway).
I've never been to BA, but I fuck** an Argentinian escort chick in Miami a few years back, and it made a deep impression on me, This chick blew me bbbj (bit a little), and let me fuc* her in the ass bareback(I don't recommend it , but this chick was classy, and clean, college grad, I quized her, I inspected her before taking the plunge, this is the only time I've done greek bareback, all other times I put the raincoat)(he had a virgin ass, she told me she could not even sit after I did her), she even bought me a b-day cake(It was my b-day when I saw her). I am single, and I think she truly wanted to keep me for herself.
In any case, please email, or post recommendation about BA, clubs, etc. Also, in the site platynum.com, which are legit, not rip offs, I am interested in young 18+ ones. Or any that do greek and bbbj.
And, yes I have info to exchange in return in just about any place in this world where Pus** is available.
My top picks in the world are,
1)Prague
2)Moscow
3)Brazil
My top AVOID at all cost are,
1)USA (country of shemales, I mean their personality)
2)Canada
3)Germany
super6stud9@yahoo.com
Two more links:
http://www.soloescort.com/
http://www.trylenium.com/eng/index.html
Need a search engine to sort out the dream chicas: not over 35, 165, and 90-60-90, English speaker. Any hackers around?
This site has some very good air fares. Anyone tried it?
http://www.us.despegar.com/
I just returned from a week-long stay in BA. During the first couple days of my visit I was lucky enough to hang out with Jackson as he was wrapping up his latest visit to BA.
Thanks Jackson for showing me around. You're a great guy providing a great service and a class act to boot!
I don't have many new things to report other than the usual spots are alive and well. I think the only newsworthy bit is that my one trip to Black's proved very dissappointing. They have great girls, but not overwhelmingly better than the other spots. One girl I talked to wanted US $200 and the next one I spoke with would not go lower than US $150. Needless to say, I moved on to other places with equally attractive girls with much better prices.
This attitude from the girls may have been a combination of the fact that is was early in the night (about midnight) and that I was a non-Argentine in a business suit. So, it may have in fact been a wise business decision for them to wait until 2:00 AM or so for another well-to-do foreigner willing to pay that much before lowering their asking price.
On another note, I'm also a frequent reader of the Sao Paulo, Brazil board because I also travel there on business (and with all due respect to the great places and girls in BA, I still think Cafe Photo is the best place in the Americas to pick up a working girl). But I bring up Sao Paulo because I have seen Saint's posts on that board regarding crime and I saw a snippet about BA in the article he posted on the Sao Paulo board:
"A regionwide economic crisis--which has increased the ranks of the unemployed and hit hard at police budgets--appears to be feeding the crime wave. In greater Buenos Aires, home to 11 million residents, one person is kidnapped every 36 hours, according to a study by the daily Argentine newspaper Clarin. Most are released unharmed after a few hours, the victims of what are known as "express kidnappings.""
My question to Saint is: Have you seen or heard about the incidents you passed along about Sao Paulo also taking place in BA?
I have heard from my business associates who live in BA that non-violent crime and kidnappings do seem to be on the rise throughout Argentina, but not yet reaching epidemic levels.
Hulk,
I guess I didn't even pay attention to that quote about Buenos Aires. That figure is surprising. I don't know if the figure is accurate but I assume it must be close or the paper wouldn't have printed it.
I did not experience or see any crime at all during my 10 day stay in Buenos Aires. Another thing important to note is that I have started talking to many hobbyist that either have been to Argentina or are going to Buenos Aires. NONE of them have experienced any crime first hand or known anyone else that experienced crime. However, I have spoken to SEVERAL guys that have been robbed in Brazil. They were not hurt at all but just robbed.
I do want to go to Brazil sometime still. I might go in December. That post wasn't intended to scare anyone. I just firmly believe in the flow of intelligent conversation. Hopefully the economic situation will stabilize a little. It doesn't make sense to hope the peso keeps drastically falling. Sure it helps us but the outcome could make it a less desirable place to visit long-term. Good luck guys.
Sunday at high noon...Orleans revisited...200 pesos is what they ask and even tell you its for one and a half hours...I will not negotiate lower because of my fear of lowering session quality...in fact this is a clear bargain...local men I met at cafes insist that the going rate is 150...It is my belief that if you could do it 3 or 4 times in an hour and a half they would not even blink...Also, it seems customary that they make every effort to get you there twice before they split.
There are at least six chicas again...the bartender already knows my drink...girls that were sitting together instinctivly split up and went to seperate tables to make it more comfortable for me to approach the one I was interested in...it would be a little wierd to sit at a table with 2 or more chicas only to pick one out....she was about 28...a redhead with blue eyes and lots of mascara...thats the look I love with excellent english to boot...her name is eva...she takes her time and continuous sexy eye contact is a major plus...gfe...
Read some recent postings discussing crime...I find this town to be very safe and on many nights have walked around at 2 or 3 in the morning. Protests are confined to a small area around the federal buildings and some banks...about one percent of the town...they are peacefull but simply to be avoided. Panhandling is non aggressive and have found way more in Mexico.
Well, I finally made it here in one piece. I am staying at the art Suites. They are pretty nice rooms--not quite as luxurious as the pix, but I guess that`s what advertising is all about.
I was in my room for all of twenty minutes before I called a girl from Platynum. I`m a picky guy, and when she walked in all I could do was stutter and make three stooges noises. My seizure eventually ended, and we got down to a wonderful bit of business. All covered, but so what. 130 for an hour. After the hour, I can barely walk. I ask her if she is hungry, and she says yeah. I shit you not, this goddess 21 year old ballet teacher (seriously) proceeds to take me around town for the next 2 hours as a guide. It gets better. When we take a taxi, she tries to get the bill. Can you believe this???
Then, as if it could not get more insanely perfect, she brings me back to her hotel and for the next hour serves me yerba matte. I reiterate, I shit you not. This will not, I repeat --not--happen in Detroit!
Fabiola
YABBA-- ext 551. For some reason, I couldn`t leave you a voice mail. If I don`t hear from you, I think I plan on Playwoman tonight.
Umgman,
Who was that luciscous babe you had from Playtum? It's a great website. I just wish I can speak and read more Spanish.
Fat Bastard
06-10-02, 23:35
Chowder,
Platynum has girls that do speak english...you just have to look a little. Also check out:
www.escorts-argentina.com
I know Clara, number 34, speaks english.
The web mistress for both sites goes by the name of Adriana. She speaks english and will probably being willing to help you out. A friend of mine, who speaks zero spanish (and feels he doesn't need to when he's flashing $$$) just emails Adriana and gets her to arrange a meeting with any one of the dozens that suits his liking. He does this about three times a month.
Umgman...way to go. Sounds like you got your 130 dollars worth.
Fat Bastard, had dinner in BA with Umgman last night and I was impressed with the 130 but even more so when he told me it was pesos....oh my god.....I will have to get him to amend his post
Hit Cutty Sark last night around 5 pm before I met Umgman and brought a 27 year old back to feast...11 women, the owner, bartender and myself. Each and everygirl came up to me, shook my hand, gave me a peck on the cheek and a complimentary twirl to show me there wares...Now I remember why I dont shop by phone....so far
Went into the pharmacy and scored 4 50 mg Viagras for 77 pesos and consumed a half of one as recommended by Khun on a Pattaya post, my next destination....was quite happy...at 46 years old and 6 days in the kicker comes in handy.
Maddur, Umgman and yabba dine tonight...the three innocent touristas.
I too am a lover of Argentina and their fine women but Ive been noticeing something on the websites whats worth mentioning --- Pricing is going down on the websites --- A year ago the average price was about $150 dollars and now the average has dropped too around $100 --- Moreover Ive noticed that a couple girls have phones numbers in the USA --- Things are really bad down there --- I was in Buenos Aires last fall before the devaluation with a one too one excange --- Now people are reporting a 3.6 too 1 excange --- Just to give the board an example last fall I found a tall gorgeous blond in Black --- Claudia was her name -- Too make a long story short we hooked up and I "rented" her for a week, 7 days for $1,500 --- Theres true value in Buenos Aires --- exon
Arrived in BA last Saturday. Called one of the Clarin ads - I was not expecting too much but had a stunner (21 yr old). Life is good. Tonight I will try to hook up with Yabba and Umgman for dinner. I will post a detailed report once I get back - Now time is precious :-)
Ppl:
I'new in this forum...I live in Buenos Aires, Argentina, so if any of you have any question about girls, or banks or whatever feel free to contact me. I will give a hand just for free, don't take me as a pimp or thief...
Just to know: an Escort service of Very good quality could be taken for only 100 - 150 pesos an hour. Today, 1 peso = 3.56 u$s(www.dolarsi.com), and dollars are higly prized.
I know many of the pubs and bars and many escorts and strippers, and I talk english well, so e-mail me if you need advice!
condicionadas@yahoo.com.ar
Umgman-
was fabiola anything close to her pictures? were you dealing in dollars or pesos with her? i haven't been to BsAs in about 2 years and will be going at the end of the month. thanks.
Hey guys,
I decided to fly down here on a whim after reading posts by Saint, LA Larry, Jackson, et al. Also, staying at the Castelar. (serves it purpose). Went to Cutty Sark and met this beautiful petite brunette and she provided the total GFE for 150 pesos for 2 hours. That was her starting point and I wasn´t going to complain because earlier I had gone to Cafe Orleans and the few attractive women there wanted $100 US and seemed unwilling to negotiate, so I walked. Also, later at Playwoman I was quoted $100 US for short time, and again there was little willingness to negotiate. Now, I´m not an unattractive guy (could lose a few pounds, but not unattractive.) I get plenty of female attention in the States and I hobby because I´m too lazy to juggle women. I spent lots of time laughing and joking with the girls (basic spanish) before discussing anything. And there was NO problem with girls trying to get my attention. They kept approaching me. They all seem to launch into this "you can afford it. $100 is a lot for us and means nothing to you" routine. What the F---? One Brazilian girl at Playwoman even tried to get me to buy her the exit drinks so she could go home and go to sleep. She actually seemed surprised when I said no. Given what´s going on here economically at present, I'm surprised at the number of women I turned down (or they turned me down) last night because would couldn´t come to an agreement on the price, with many of them consistently asking for more than is posted on this board.
Any comments?
Drgn & Other hobbyist:
Take this with a grain of salt but my advice is to move on if you aren't happy with the price. I did several times. Keep in mind the truly gorgeous girls are always going to be able to get more money than the so so girls. The other wierd factor is what I call the "pride factor". Many girls at Blacks had this "pride factor". They thought it was beneath them to accept less than a certain price they had set in their mind. A lot of girls at Black's would rather go home with NO money than 300 pesos. Believe it or not but some girls even told me that.
Again, I didn't negotiate too hard unless they asked for a pie in the sky # (which several did). The ones that did I would joke around in Spanish with them and use phrases like, "No soy un rico ******". The girls would just start laughing and I'd say it over and over. I'd say things like "300 pesos son mucho dinero!". Eventually a lot of them would laugh and say, "OK..vamos" (ok..let's go). Sounds like you were doing a lot of this already though. The other thing you might want to do is instead of asking them for a price...just offer a price that you can live with and think is fair. Maybe just ask them after a little while, "200 pesos por un hora y media o dos horas". (200 pesos for 1 1/2 hours or 2 hours). Just put the ball in their court. Just put your own figures of what you think is fair. You might also tell them, "con un propina si el servicio es bueno" (with a tip if the service is good).
My Spanish isn't the best in the world and maybe I didn't phrase all of them correctly but the girls will know what you are saying. Does anyone own the 'Hot Spanish Book'? It's a book of Spanish sexual phrases? If so, could you maybe post a few of the phrases for us. I'm taking Spanish classes but obviously they don't go into that topic....LOL.
P.S. No offense to the guy that lives in B.A. offering help but honestly what we are doing here isn't rocket science. You can take most of the information on this board and have a great great great time. But it would be nice to know some other places so it would be great if you could post some information and other places to go too.
Here´s an update, fellas. Let me just start by saying that each and every one of you poor slobs should wish you are me right now.
First off, to reiterate, the first girls name was fabiola. Looked just like the pix, just a tiny tiny bit soft in the waist and a bit small upstairs, still, a solid 8.5. At least. 130 p. Nuff said.
Well since it was my first day, I couldn´t limit myself to just one girl! So, off I go to Playwoman that night. got there about midnight. This place is small, pretty hot and smokey, and friggin packed with some severely hot snapper. My head was snapping back and forth like Tyson´s after a Lennox Lewis beating. Make no mistake, you WILL find something you like at this joint, and you will cry like a baby because you only have one dick to screw with. So, I wind up with this blond named Lisa, who I think may have been mentioned on this board. Lets see, what does she look like. Boys, go pull out your sticky Victoria Secret catalog. Now, how would you like to put you schlong in one of those girls? Well, guess what. I did. Let me preface this by saying I paid a lot, and I don´t give a rat´s ass. As I explained to my comrades here--when you are in the deli, sometimes you want the Beluga, and the Beluga doesnt always come cheap. So, although I will give you the honest prices that I paid, please don´t blow me any crap for going high. I know I did, and that´s that.
Back to Lisa. Jesus H Christ was she ever unbelievable. Where Fabiola was A beautiful and sweet girl and gave me a great time, it was almost like the difference between The guy flipping burgers at BK and Emeril. Lisa went BAM! She was a sultry energetic well oiled (literally!) sex machine. She stayed with me for a full 2 hours and cost me 100 $ US. Actually, a bit more with the exit drinks, etc. My best ever. I just had no idea. Moving on..
The next day started with Valentina from Platynum. Red hair, nice body, a bit older than she appeared in her pix, I'd say 26-7. She was a solid 7. Next thing I know I'm getting a very nice bbbj (I did't think I would do that, but when it stared me in the face, I blinked first!), and some enthusiastic banging. 150 p for the hour. and additional 50 para la cola. I said yes to that, so 200 total. Well worth it.
At this point I need some nutrition, so me and the crew go out for dinner. We figure, why not check out Blacks, while we were there, even though we were SURE that no way could it be as good as Playwoman. So, off we go.
Blacks was good. Real good. Were the women prettier, or younger than at Playwoman? No. They were for a fact better dressed, and more made up. In a nutshell, the difference between these two places is this. Blacks is more of the fancy, happening nightclub atmosphere, Play women is more divey. This is not arguable, nor is it a slam on either place. Blacks is also quite a bit more pricey in all ways.
I picked out Micaela. Model thin, beautiful native looks. Her quoted price was 'till you had enough.' She was just a smoldering hottie who had been escorting for 1 month--very fresh. As far as I know. We were at it for two hours, and I swear to you , I had to fight to get this chicas mouth off my unit. she gave me her phone number so she could be my guide today, but i got up pretty late for good reason, and didn't call. 200$ US. I know, but I was absolutely smitten. That takes to this morning.
Dahiana from platynum. Turned out she was not as hot as pix--a 5 or 6. But what the hell, she was already there, so I invited her in. Basically, bread and butter stuff, but the good part--80 p. I had no real complaint. I sent her away after 1 shot, cause I saving myself for Playwoman tonight.
Hope this is informative, or at least entertaining. You should all be jealous as shit. Stay tuned...
Umgman --- If you want something really good next time your in black ask for Claudia Olynik a gorgeous tall blond from Brazil with OK English or give her a call at 4 827 2121 extenion 233 --- But for the best GFE Ive ever had in my life give Paula a call at 15-5411-5651 I would marry that girl --- A tip I learned --- If you see something you really want, get their phone number in the club at night and call her the next day at home --- It should save you half --- Theres sorta a status symbol for them not to leave the club in front of their friends for less money than the others are getting --- This method worked well for me --- And be sure to take some of thease girls out to dinner with you --- Lucky Dog -- Wish I was there --exon
Fat Bastard
06-12-02, 21:05
maddur,
I did the Clarin classified thing too as a result of someone's posting. I had a good time and paid a whopping $16 (50 pesos). It was the ultimate lazy man's sex. She came...did me twice in the hour...and left.
umgman,
Dude...you are a sex machine....more power to ya and keep the posts coming.
Fatty
Day 10 for me...had to leave Affair early last night empty handed...thought this day would come...great women, but I was spent due to the afternoons activities. Had to have Ungman explain to the chica for me that is was not her but I who was as spent as could be.That of course was related to the fact that 4 hours before I had my first Clarins babe.
Maddur was more courageous then I when it came to doing the clarins classified thing. I took the easy way out and waited till he struck gold and then asked him for the chicas number. she asked for 80 but then started to talk taxi money before sealing the deal.
I said you get a hundred and come over now...she was there in ten minutes and I dont even remember her name. This town is out of control. Where else could you find and endless supply of women 20 25 years old eager to please at least twice with bodies to die for. Lets see 100 pesos at perhaps 3.5 to the dollar....hmmmm...30 bucks
Interesting tidbit...The automatic teller machines are lagging the recent minor strength of the peso...I got 3.6...2 days in a row for about 500 US when it was 3.45 to 3.55...used a master charge tied to CitiBank.
OK Guys.. I've never been to BA..and don't know any spanish. Would love to hitch a ride down there with someone that knows what they are doing down there and show me the ropes.
If you are looking for a buddy to hang out with down there, please let me know. I'm looking to head down there in August or September.. my time is flexible.
Please let me know on here and we can exchange emails
THE SAGA CONTINUES...
Mea culpa. I kind of got the high hard one from a chica. Totally my fault. Please, no 'I told you so's.' Live and learn.
Clearly, I was on a streak. The problem is, if you keep digging in the same gold vein for too long, you might break into someones septic tank. So, I go back to Playwoman. We got there pretty early, about 1045. By the way, sorry about the f'ed up punctuation, but these keyboards are completely screwy. So we are sitting there, and this stacked blond sits next to me. Andrea. Black corset. Braids like Heidi. I'm already counting how many ways I am going to have her, and I'm running out of fingers. Obviously she is really digging me (wink) because she wants to get out of there early. How much? 100 US. How long? I don't have a watch, baby. Its time to rock, so off we go to the love shack. I pay her up front, and give her a hefty tip on top of that. She asked. Umgman said no to the tip, but little Umgman said yes, and we know who wins this battle. So we get busy, and it is good. Truly, maybe the tightest I have ever experienced. So we finish the first time. After a while, it is clearly time for round two. She starts with the bj, and the next thing I know, her hand is flying up and down my tool fast enough to make a buzzing sound. I was worried the smoke from the condom was going to trigger the fire alarm. At this point, I figure, hey, maybe she is in a hurry. She kind of tells me that she needs to get going so she could go back to Playwoman. Yuck. So, I know that round 2 just ain't gonna happen. I send her packing and go to the farmacia for some burn cream. ***** also left my soap in the bidet. Lesson learned.
I had some Platynum for breakfast the next day. Platynum has been treating me well. Paulita. 21 yo. 100 pesos. Her face was a 7, body that would not quit. Luscious perkies that were screaming for attention. She was not the seasoned pro, she was the sweet 21 year old kid looking for some extra bucks. Very, very pleasant.
That night, the trio of evil went to relatively uncharted territory. Affaire is a club midway between Black and Playwoman. We figured, if it is competeing with these places, how bad could it be? 20 peso entrance fee, kindly covered by Yabba. It is a bit slow at first, but we see chicas continually filing in, so we stay. I'm glad we did. I had to give the first girl who sat with me the heave ho. Great body, but I wasn't sure I wanted to look at her face while I was banging away. I am about to risk calling over a cute blond with tight satin pants, when in walks Romita. Romita is this stunning native girl...20 yo...with thick jet black hair down to her perfect ass. Perfect tits, flat belly. To top it off, she is the evil twin of this woman I worked with who was freaking unbelievable, but Romita is 7 years younger. 200 pesos, we went twice. she is THE REASON we come down here. She was a mix between the pro and the sweet kid. I will relive that experience many times, fellas.
That day, yesterday, I had preordered a brunch from Platynum, which was delivered to my door at noon today. Camil. My hands are still shaking as I type this. She was 21 years old, 200 pesos. She was not the wholesome treat that I expected. Rather, she was triple layer chocolate tart with caramel sauce. Kind of a worldly 21, if you know what I mean. But when I saw those braless tits through her skintight red tank, I knew beyond a shadow of a doubt they would be the most perfect yayas that I would ever sink my teeth into. 21 year old tit is good. A chica with amazing tits for a 21 year old is something to be treasured. And the flat stomach and ass...Ye gods.
I think I'm starting to like it here, fellas. I don't know what the trio of evil has in store tonight, but I guarantee it will be good. Hasta luego.
OttoGraham
06-14-02, 19:47
I would like to float this out there and solicit commentary: One of the things I like when visiting a strange city is do the normal touristy kind of thing, museums, etc... in the company of my local lady-friend.
So what are the two or three things that are must-do's in Buenos Aires? (After the first three of: 1. Chase women; 2. Chase women; 3. Chase women.........)
Hey Fellas!!! I am back in Los Angeles and just returned from Puerto Plata and Santo Domingo in the Domincan Republic. Read part one of my post (so you can compare Argentina to the Dom Republic) on the SANTO DOMINGO FORUM.
Jackson--I am going to get you more infor on LA PLATA--it sounded like you went on a bit of a wild goose chase. I assure you that the scene is better then what you described. I am going to get you the exact names / locations from my amingos down there. ANd report back.
umgman,
Keep up the great work. Your posts are the funniest, most entertaining, and informative I have read on this board (and I've been getting my info from wsg for every country I visit for the last 6 years). I'm going to be in BA at the end of December. I would love to hang out with you guys if any of you will be there then. I haven't booked my hotel yet, but will probably follow Yabba's advice and book a junior suite. I speak passable Spanish, so I have never had a problem on my own, but it is more fun with a partner. I usually travel with my brother on this type of excursion, but he won't be able to go in December.
I have been at this game a long time, and I agree with what you said in an earlier post. Sometimes I'm in the mood for filet mignon, and have no problem paying the higher price for the experience.
Couple of questions, have you or the other two "innocent tourists" tried Yael or Lizzy from Platynum? I thought I would book a date with each of them, and would like a review. Also, I'm an amateur photographer and was wondering, will any of the girls from the clubs or sites allow you to take their photos? Wouldn't have to be nude, but it would be a nice bonus for the experience. I spend a lot of time with the chicas in Mexico, and some of them have allowed me to take their pictures in various states of undress, but I have to promise not to post online.
Anyway, my email is alanblueeyes@hotmail.com, if any of you will be in BA between the 19th thru the 27th of December, drop me a line.
PS Can't believe it, I just read one of your earlier posts, I guess I should have caught it from the name, but we're from the same neck of the woods, I'm in a small town in northern Ohio, but I'm in the motor city frequently on business. I always fly from metro, any airlines advice? Already bought my tickets for December, but I'm contemplating another trip.
Asked a few locals where they go for the chicas and they named 2 bars close to art suites...one was like 20 yards close...called the J and B Pub...Yes, they get away with using the scotchs name brand logo as their door sign. The place has obviously been there for ever which is cool and the 6 regular girls are nothing special. But for a quick pop at 100 plus the traditional 15 peso chica drink it does the trick. These women will go till you cried uncle. I must point out that for a 100 150 pesos you can get really great chicas on platynum. So one would ask why this place interests me. First, when you have procuitto ham everyday a little boiled ham would be nice. Second, the women look tawdry and dress that way. Third, this place pours a big drink and you guessed it, the speciality of the house is a wide assortment of scotches. Finding places like this are fun for me...
Umgman and Maddur showed up at J n B last night to join me for
a few pops at this seedy joint. They passed on the chicas but one must remember that one mans chicken is another mans steak.
As for OTTOs what to do...here is the way I use my spare time...seeking out local dishes...food...that I do not recognize and trying them...there are alot of local corn or lentill bean based thick soups or stews chock full of ham and chicken that are excellent...many curry based dishes as well. Also, these Argentine people take their empenadas very seriously and debate exists between the locals as to who make the best. 20 kinds of these....Best entertainment is Tango...There are many places even the locals go to watch while having coffee or dinner.
another tidbit...I believe there are more cafes here then any place on earth...these people love there coffee. In addition, I have never seen so many smokers.
OttoGraham --- Before I answer your question i'd like to Add my two cents worth about Buenos Aires --- Its the most unbelieveable place Ive ever been for single guy's traveling --- Its sorta like your first trip to Disneyland when you were a little kid, you could not believe what you were seeing -- Ive read all the posts our brothers have posted and been to everyone of the clubs including Hippopotamus and Newport,(my favorite)which not much has been talked about --- The reason I state this is Black and Playwoman are strickly professionals as are all the website girls, but the above clubs you will find the semi pros & amatures, girls that aren't in the business but need a little extra money and sum fun at the same time --- Also the best I found was free, meeting them at shoping malls or side walk cafe's --- Since being an American they are immediately attracted to you ---
All that being said and too answer your question --- Try the Tango Dinner Show, and bring your date, she will love you for it --- It was one of the best experiences I had in Buenos Aires --- Its cost is 60 pesos per person, about 40 US dollars for the two of you and as good a steak dinner as you'll fine including free transportion --- Plus a show that would rival anything that Las Vegas has to offer and all the wine you can drink --- Also you might try the River Boat Casino and again bring your date for most of the girls have never been there --- Have a good trip --- EXON
Hey guys,
I justed wanted to add a little something. I´m still here in BA and have had some serious fun at the clubs in Recoleta. The other night I was approached by a very attractive twosome (women I would be interested in stateside) who had heard from the bartender that I was primarily interested "group" activity. We went to one of the local short time hotels for a great, fun filled, non-stop, two hour threesome. The next night we out to a movie at the mall, grabbed a few drinks, went to a local night club for some serious dancing and then onto the hotel for some serious all night activity. The interesting part was this time they made it clear that they were MORE than just work partners. There was also some competition between them to see who was the "lead sled dog". So, the next five hours were a whirlwind of bodies, digits, and orifices. We alternated between sex and sleep until about 8am, at which point we were all thoroughly drained, literally and figuratively. Total cost: 300 pesos plus drinks, taxis, entrance fees, etc. We were all to together, more less on a "date" for about 12 hours. They said it was more of a day off or change of pace and it really had the feel of a bunch of friends hanging out rather than a business arrangement. And they want to get together on Sunday for another day out exploring BsAs.
I mention this because my belief is, yes it is VERY easy to pay $100 US, $200 US or more for an hour with a hot woman here. Christ, I can choose to spend money like water and hardly notice. But, you will ALWAYS get the most mileage from situations where, for the woman, money is a BONUS, rather than the focus your time together. And EVERY disappointing experience I´ve ever had involved me thinking about how HOT she is and saying the money doesn´t matter. Now, I ignore my own lust, and focus completely on how she´s responding verbally and non-verbally to me.
One other note: hanging out with these two at the mall, the night clubs, etc. made it very clear that this place is exactly like a New York, LA or Miami. If you have your "shit wired tight" so to speak, it is VERY possible to score non-pro action. Knowing the language helps. My girls actually started getting concerned because I was getting too much attention from non-pros at the night club and they were very aware that they could be replaced.
Food for thought...
exon123
Where exactly is the Tango show? It has always improved the experience for me when it feels like a real date. Also, any other suggestions for good dates?
Alanblues:
Currently, the top dinner and tango show seems to be:
http://www.esquinacarlosgardel.com.ar
Another good option is "Senor Tango". I don't have a website for it but everyone in BA knows about it. I've been to both of them and they are both quite good, although the food at Senor Tango is not stellar, so I suggest you pay a little more to upgrade your meal and wine at Senor Tango.
El Viejo Almacen is also a BA institution, but it seems to have declined in the last few years and at the suggestion of locals I've opted for the two above instead
These are fun shows but after you've been there once, you've pretty much covered it, so for repeat dates I'd suggest the floating casino as was mentioned in an earlier post
Alanblus --- Read Drgn's post just under your's --- He has very good advice --- There's no way anyone can do them all, its such a sexual smorgasbord down there it will make you dizzy --- Relax and just hang out rather than chase them and let them come to you --- If you see something you really like in a club, get her phone number and call her during the day --- It will more than likely cost you half of what she's asking in the club ---- I found that the women in Buenos Aires were just as interested in me, if not more, simply because I was an American, as I was in them --- It doesn't thke any Brain's to Spend Money --- In answer to your qusetion --- There are several Tango shows in town --- The best is the traditional Tango dinner show --- It's held in a building constructed as a dinner theater with its only purpose to be a dinner theater for Tango --- Go to the desk clerk in your hotel and ask them to make a reservation for you and your "Date" --- The theater company has a whole fleet of van's that will come to your hotel and pick you up, transportion is included in the price,and return you after the show --- As I remmember it starts about 8:00 PM and returns you home sometime after 12:00 midnight --- The meal was excellent with all the wine you could drink and a show that lasted about 2.5 hours, that rival's anything Ive ever seen in Las Vegas or New Youk --- The price last fall was 60 pesos per person, 120 per couple, about $40 to $50 dollars for the two of you --- Its truly a must see while your in Buenos Aires --- If you do go, please post your impression's about the experince --- Thanks Exon -- P.S --- It was Senior Tango that I saw
I would like to thank you fine gentlemen for posting up all the great info for us newbies..I've been to Dominican Repub (Puerto Plata, Sosua..check out my posts) this past April and I'm looking to try out B.A. (Recoleta area) maybe around Mid November. The "espanol" is terrible (barely High School level) but I'm learning as mush as I can...got some tapes and a book.
I'm looking to link up with any fellow monger(s) during that time.
I would luv to try and read all the posts here to see who's gonna be there in Nov but my eyes are starting to get buggy.
If anyone would be so kind to send me an a quick e-mail as to when and where you will be in Buenos Aires in Nov, I'd gladly appreciate it. Thanks !
E-mail : Skyjuice70@hotmail.com
Alanblues,
I've got a few little suggestions for you as for what you can do on a date with one of the many luscious Argentinean honeys you'll find in BA: go to a Boca Jr. or River Plate or Racing soccer match. Argentinean soccer is played most of the year with just a short time off in between "Apertura" season and "Clausura" season in their winter. Tickets are relatively inexpensive and relatively available and as long as you wear the home team's jersey you should blend in just fine and have no problems there.
Next, I recommend that if you like music that you either get some tickets to see any musical event at "Teatro Colon" which is BA's world-class concert hall who many say have some of the best acoustics in the world. This would be a real bonus to any chica who likes classical music and who has good taste, of which there are many girls like that in BA.
Restaurant wise, try taking a luncheon date to a famous place called "Cafe Tortoni" near Congreso. The place is one of the most famous restaurants in all of Argentina and dates back to the 1800's and has billiards tables in the back and awesome decor with checkered marble floors. It's in all the guide books and isn't terribly expensive. Have a sandwich de jamon crudo there and a few beers and watch the rich and famous stroll in and out of there and you'll have a nice time with your date.
Lastly, if you like modern electric music, Argentina has an absolutely priceless ska band know as "La Mosca" who are known throughout Argentina and if you could score two tickets to a "La Mosca" concert you'd be a star with almost any young lady and I venture to say that you'd probably find it nearly impossible not to get up and dance to their tunes. They appear often in BA as they're a touring-recording band with an unbelievable horn section, great vocals and great arrangements. Hope some of these suggestions are helpful. DownBA
drgn
Could you inform about the night club you've been with the chicks, seems a good place to find non pros
Thanks
Darron Houston
06-18-02, 12:17
I am new to the Forum and will be visiting Buenos Aires for the first time in about a month. I was thinking of hiring a translator since my spanish is very poor. I have read many post in this forum and all seem very informative. I will be staying at the Alvear Palace and would like for any one who has stayed or knows something about to respond concerning price in pesos or dollars. I have been to the argentina VIP website and have seen many beautiful ladies. Agostina is one who stands out to me have any of you meet or have any info about her. I live in the US and do these women travel that far. Any information will be greatly welcomed.
Pro,
The girls picked a place called "Niceto". The DJ played a lot of current American club music, which was a surprise. We went around 1:30 and the place was a ghost town. But, by 2:30 it was PACKED to the rafters with very young Argentinians between 19-25. (Imagine the girls from Blacks, Playwoman etc. on their night off) It was so crowded that it took several minutes for us to make it to the door to leave. This was not a place to just hang out and chat. Everyone was there to party. HARD. Picture the opening night club/rave/slaughter house scene from the movie "Blade" and you'll get the idea. Drinks were cheap, but well made. Also, there were "club" dancers on the stage and the balcony all night dressed in various costumes. I couldn't even begin to tell you the address. I just know it was about 10 minutes by taxi from the Galleria (?).
Dress code: it seemed more "rave" than "Armani". Again, it was a place to party, as opposed to a place to be seen partying.
Have fun.
Life is soooo good. To address some previous threads, yeah, maybe I could try to hook with a non pro, but that would be dating. I do enough damn dating in the US. I´m here for whoring, nuff said.
I had been on a serious roll. I was patting myself on the back. All those chicas, and not a single ugly one? How did I get so lucky? Well, the gods were listening, and they have a sense of humor, I´m afraid. My saga continued at Playwoman with a girl named Mariana. I had been knocking back more than my fair share of Cervezas, and we were sitting pretty far away from the stage where the chicas dance. But this one caught my eye. Tall--real tall. Thin and a good dancer. I had the waitress flag her over. As she appraoched, I couldn´t help but notice she suffered from a middling case of the uglies. I should have cut bait, but beer is not always a good companion. I thought to myself,"Hey bud, why don´t you do an ugly while you´re here?" It made sense at the time. So back we go to my place. Light did not cure here affliction by any means. I turned off the lamp. Business completed. Straightforward. 200 pesos. Yuck.
Next day I had a late Platynum incall. Denis. Looks just like her pix. She had to drive about 45 min to get to my place. I was glad she did. Very sweet, very passionate. Totally took her time. Great bbbj (I have given in). One more thing. She sucked my toes. She sucked my freakin toes. 160 pesos
Things got better in the looks department. The next night Maddur and I went to Black. I wanted to drive a hot sports car home that night. Dyana was the answer to my desires. I have to say she may be the best looking girl I have seen in the clubs. Shoulder length blond hair, BJL, tall body packed into a denim jumper that was topped off with cleavage into which David Blaine could jump off a building and land safely. 150 US for 90 min. I´m soooo sold. This girl is a very hot sports car---a Fiero. Know what I´m saying? Not much performance under the hood. No kissy, no sucky. Nice fucky. I was all over banging and just looking at her beautiful face, but she definitely was the coldest I have had here.
That night, back in Black. I think someone had mentioned a Claudia from there, and sure enough, that is who I wound up talking to. She was standing there with her friend Dyana, whose acquaintance I had made earlier. Hilarious. They must talk about us. Anyway, Claudia is a big girl--tall, full body, built to grind. She was damn fun. She was a big soft adult playground. 200 US.
Yesterday morning I had a taste for precious metal, and since Platynum has been so good to me...Lorena. Stop what you are doing right now and look at her pix. Are you back? I did her. She is a sweet, nice 21 yr old. Not a hard body, but great curves and super soft. Did you see those lips? Know where they were? Heh heh heh. 150 pesos.
I went back to affaire last night. I was only halfheartedly into it. But time is running out, so I sucked it up and made do. Marcia was her name, a whorish looking 22yo packed tight into a halter top. Buck teeth, but in a cute way. Peaches and cream complexion. 200 pesos for 90 min. We went once, and she said she had to get back. I said "That was 90 min?" So she looks at the clock and decides I have another 45 min. I made her put it in her one more time. Giddyup, baby.
This morning was an unbelievably pleasant surprise from the makers of--you guessed it--Platynum. Zamantha. Check her profile. Posed for Brazilian Playboy, Cheri magazine, and does some modelling in the US. 150pesos. Speaks English. Wow wow wow. Beautiful girl. 24 yo. Enthusiastic bbbj, 2 rounds of action. She works out a lot, and trains in boxing. I asked her if she could take me. She didn´t even crack a smile when she said yeah. Guys, if you visit, call her. She also has an incall location. Top 2 or 3 so far.
Tonight, probably Black for me. You may have noticed that I have been doing a lot of Platynum. It really has been great. Cheaper than the clubs, and home delivery. The girls are more real, as well. I have a few more on my personal list, so I don´t think I will take any requests. Some of the girls will let you take pix, some won´t. Well, back to "work". Stay tuned.
Hello compadres. I have been reading this board for many months now and decided to become a member. I have also traveled to BA for many years and have been to many of the places mentioned. It is all accurate!!
Anyone traveling to BA next week? If so let me know as I will be down moingering around.
Day 15...taking the easy way out...bought the english newspaper The Herald...5 escort agencys in back...dealt in english...150 pesos all in plus taxi doe...girls are a 6 but service was an 8. All the babes are very young and arrive in 10 minutes. They seem to be pushing the 19 year olds. But, being the gentleman that I am I ask for the 21 year olds. hahaha
When I rate a girl a six it is my effort to communicate what I believe most of you would consider a six. But this is where we part company. Because to me this six is an understatment because I put a major premiun on the age of these women. Put simply, they are all my daughters age.
Sigh…
I'm afraid the point that was being made has been missed by some.
This is not about "dating" vs. "whoring". For all intents and purposes, for most men those are two sides of the same coin. One issue is whether the financial exchange is explicit (whoring) or implied (dating). Another issue is quantity. For many guys dating connotes a long, tedious process of trying to get into some woman's pants while whoring means a free-for-all where guys can exchange money (which is relatively easy to obtain) for sex with beautiful women (which is arguably more difficult to obtain). But, its all connected.
The point I attempted to make was that every woman (except the most hardcore and jaded) has different places in her mind where she thinks about different parts of her life. On the first level, she has all of her tasks like paying the bills, doing laundry, getting groceries, etc. If you are talking to an escort, stripper, etc., most men end up in this category. They are a task, client, or "mark". They represent a car payment, a rent payment, and a way to satisfy the financial needs of life. (All you guys giving American strippers big tips as a way to get their attention…BIG mistake.) This happens very often in "dating" relationships where women are looking for the BBD (bigger, better deal).
However, these women also have another part to their mind. And this is where they ponder fantasies, daydream, and explore their own personal desires as a woman. (This is true of virtual EVERY woman.) And the key is to get her to view you from THAT part of her mind. Then, her spending time with you is a way for her to satisfy her own desires as a woman, rather than a way to pay her bills. Guys forget/ignore the fact that after she's finished doing her "job" with you, she goes home, takes a nice hot bath…then F**KS the bejeesus out of some guy/girl/both whom she really likes. You're her source of income while the other person is her source of fun. Pop quiz: Which would you rather be?
The rules, financial requirements, and limitations that exist when you are a client disappear when you are a source of "fun". Being in the fun zone opens up a whole new world of possibilities. Basically, the only way to get all that she has to give as a woman is by being in this place. The best part is when they verbalize this by saying something like, "I have to go make some money, but after that, let's go hang out." And then, they do it! (Believe what they do, not what they say.)
For example, I was in strip club in the northeast when this attractive Latina did something I didn't like. When I called her on her bad behavior, she at first tried to make it seem like it was my fault (don't you love it when they do that!). I told her in a very calm, but firm voice that I don't reward bad behavior and she walked away pissed (remember, she's the hot stripper, her actions are never to be questioned). Well, she spent the next two hours trying to apologize. She kept buying ME drinks. Other strippers actually came over to apologize for her. And whenever one did, I would have a nice long conversation with them in full view of the Latina. And eventually the bartender brought over her phone number while she was sitting at the other end of the bar. At this point, I hadn't given her a dime. Why, in a crowded club, was she working so hard for my approval? Because I demonstrated by my behavior that I wasn't a mark.
The great thing about BsAs is that it is possible for a guy to find just about anything. If you want to have an endless stream of sessions with hot 21 year olds, its available. If you want to look for non-pro action at nightclubs, malls, coffee shops, etc, its possible. My requirements were specific: young, hot, aggressively bisexual (Club Drgn has a two p---y minimum) and I had to be able to have the full GFE with them both inside and outside the bedroom. Final requirement: I had to be in the "fun" zone.
Mission accomplished.
Dude, I can't believe you sighed at me. Ouch. Can't handle the philosophy, no blood in my brain.
Dear Penthouse,
I met the sweetest thing in a local nightclub called Playwoman. I don't usually attract that many women, but it seemed like my lucky night. There were so many stunners in there, and they all seemed to be trying to catch my eye. It must have been my new cologne.
Anyway she sat down next to me and we had a delightful little chat. We really seemed to hit it off, I bought her a couple of drinks which she really seemed to appreciate. She couldn't seem to keep her hands off me! Was this really happening? She was gorgeous with a flat tummy, long legs and a flood of raven black hair. Well one thing leads to another and Nadia and I head back to Chez Umgman. I dont want to get into too many details, but we made sweet love all night. She said something about dos cientos, but I dont speak Spanish, so I have no idea what she meant. I threw her a couple hundred pesos so she could get herself something nice, and walked her to the door. I wonder if she will be at the same club tonight.
I ran into a girl who was absolutely beautiful. I saw her pic on an internet chat called Platynum. Well, I called Anastasia, and to my wonder and delight, she immediately agreed to come over and see me, presumably to discuss the present economic situation of her country. When she walked in I really couldnt believe my eyes. She was magnificent. Look at her pix, guys, because that is exactly what walked into my room. Beautiful face, as well. I must have still had some residual cologne on from the previous night, because my luck had not changed. She was all over me in an instant. Before I knew it , I was on my back in the bed with her running her tongue slowly over my naked schlinky. Im touching myself right now thinking about it. So I had to saddle up right then and there for an intense but admittedly short ride. Round two got interesting. As I was Pleasuring her in whitebread missionary style, she was reaching around and clearly looking for the brown eye. We kept at it like this for a while and then she flipped over and got on all fours. She grabbed the little Umgman and put in in, and I went to town just revelling in the spectacle that was her ass. Since she had been so interested in my sphincter, I thought I would return the favor. I wet my thumb and went to give her a little backdoor massage. No back door found. Already full! Oops! No wonder little umgman seemed to be having such a profound effect! Well, there is no such thing as a free lunch fellas. She dismounts and strips off my condom. The she opens up two more. One went on little Umgman. I had a feeling I knew where number two was going to be living as well, and when she slipped it over her finger, my prescience was made apparent. What followed was my first prostate exam. I have a feeling that in the future, my urologists will not accompany it with the smoldering blow job that Anastasia did. She mumbled something about ciento cincuenta (can you believe it) but I gave her 100 US for her attention to detail. Hopefully, we will keep in touch.
You know, I was wrong. I guess just dating normal chicas really is more fun!
OMG. LOL! I haven't hit the boards in a while. Mostly because I know I won't get to go back down till December. It's kind of like torture reading about all the fun you guys are having. I couldn't resist today when Starfe called up and and he almost crapped his pants laughing and reading Umgman's post.
Damn. I was joking the other day that every day is like a Dear Penthouse Forum letter in Buenos Aires. Then I read Umgman's post. It was funny.
Different strokes for different folks. Whatever you're looking for you'll most likely find in B.A. Hell, I spent the better half of this morning talk to one of the normal girl's I met in a restaurant down there on Instant Messenger today. Also, one of the girls from Playwoman has called me every single day since I left a month ago. (No exaggeration..I swear). The normal relationship is not really my cup of tea either. I'm with Umgman with his philosophy of 'pay to play'.
I hope I get a chance to meet up with some of you some day down there. Most days I still think about quitting my job and moving down there. My Spanish is getting drastically better with the night classes and talking to all these chicas online and on the phone.
Have fun all.
Saint
umgman,
As the Saint said," Different strokes for different folks." Play hard, man.
A few questions for the BA experts-
What times do the clubs like Playwoman and Black's open?
Do all taxis know where these places are or can someone provide addresses.
What hotels in Recoleta are within walking distance of the above clubs?
How easy is it to find girls in these clubs that are willing to do BBBJ? (If anyone has a girl they would like to suggest-please feel free to e mail me directly)
Thanks for any info.
asiaman18@hotmail.com-
Umgman,
What a classic...you're killing me man...just let me know where to pick up some of that cologne!
drgn
Thanks for it ('Niceto') , sems to be a good place for targeting non pros or pros 'off duty'....anybody BTW has any idea where chicks of Black or others clubs go partying after work or during day off ?
Spending downtime with english speaking locals at the French Street Bistro near Art suites. This is the kind of place where everyone knows your name...a good hang out. Here I learned of the J n B Pub on French street...details on one of my previous posts.
Today they told me of their dream girl that all of them did. I could see on there faces that this was a very special dish...ok...where do I go I ask...and they tell me 2254 French street, about 10 yards away, adjacent to J n B theres a fancy little house for the locals...how much...100 pesos...yabba...phone number is 4825 9168...one madam and 3 chicas who turn out to all be on Platynum.com.ar. So much for the consensus going around that alot of guys believe these are regular chicks looking for some extra cash. Ha
The woman they tell me about is Aldana...guys look at the site...a text book body built for sin and a face that was worth showing afterall. This woman mounted up and spun her tight perfect little body like a top untill all I could say was oh god.
Now we know what the locals pay for these gals...yabba reporting
First I would like to thank Yabba and Umgman for making my stay really enjoyable with their wit and wisdom. The best part (OK Ok .. the socond best) of the trip was meeting up with these guys.
Here is my brief report as promised. Read the old posts - you will do well. I did. There is not much new info here (Part 3 is my own stuff and can be skipped). 1US$ = 3.5 pesos (roughly).
Part 1: (Non Chica)
When you land at the BA airport, do not exchange money near the baggage carousel. Take your bags, come outside. After you put your luggage through the x-ray machine, there is a counter to your right. They give a much better exchange rate. Change only a small amount for the cab fare. Cab fare is around 40 p to hotel Etoile.
Can't beat Etoile for the location. I also liked Art Suites but the beds at Etoile did not bother me too much (They are little old and the pillows are not great). I got the rate of 132 P per night for the executive room ( + taxes). The staff couldn't be friendlier.
To exchange money, walk out of Etoile, take a right - you will hit an intersection. There is bank (Itau) tow doors down on the opposite side of the road. There is also a money exchange place right opposite (The lines are usually shorter at the bank). I got rates ranging from 3.45 to 3.6. According to Yabba, you get a better rate with your ATM card - you should check this option.
Restaurants are plenty and I never had a bad meal - The prices are cheap (about $20 for a great dinner with wine, beef, desert and coffee - this was the max I spent for dinner at one of the best restaurants). In general you can have a decent lunch for $5and dinner for $12 (including tips).
Change your schedule. Everything starts hopping after midnight.
Part 2: (The clubs)
In general, you will find something that suits your taste. The skin tones run the whole spectrum - though I did not find too many dark skinned black women. All costs are short time (1 to 2 hrs). The costs are approximate and I did not bargain much. All clubs have exit drinks except Newport (which is a regular bar). Typically the drinks are 20p. for the girls. Take my ratings with a grain of salt. For example, I would rate Pamela Anderson 8 and Catherine Zeta Jones 9 (both 10 years back!)
Blacks: From Etoile take a right and another right at the intersection - walk 1 block and take a left. Blacks is midway on that block. The chicks run from 5 to 8 (you might find a 9). Cost: $100 to $200 ( I did not bargain much but some might go down to 250/300 p - $70 or so). You can also get her phone number and call her the next day - the rates will be cheaper. The atmosphere is more fun here when compared to Playwoman and there are more chicas.
Playwoman: From Etoile take a left cross the street and take a right at the next intersection. Keep the cemetery wall to your right and walk around it. The club is up a block. Chics 5 - 8 and cost around $100.
Affaire: From Etoile take a left and another left at Guido street. A notch below Blacks and Playwoman. But you can find an 8 or 9 here too. Chics 5 - 8 and cost around $100.
Newport: From Etoile take left cross Guido - walk straight. It is on the left. Weekend nights are slow. Get there after 1:00 AM on a weeknight.
Cutty Sark: I did not go there - but Yabba said it was similar to Affaire.
Sodoma: Near Playwoman. Couple of notches below Blacks and Playwoman. I did find an 8 there. Cost $80.
Solid Gold: Near Playwoman. Similar to Sodoma.
Tucuman 563: Day time place. Take a cab to Florida street and walk down. Once you hit Tucuman, take a left and look for 563. Girls range from 4-7. If you don't like what you see, you can walk.
Orleans: Day time. This is a cafe where pros work during the day. Cost $70 to $100. Chicas 5-7.
J&B: Chics are 4 to 7 but very sweet (GFE guaranteed). They are a tad older for my taste. Most of them in their early to mid thirties.
(Read Yabba's post).
Other: You can also see some working girls on Florida Street though they are not easy to spot.
Platynum site: Great girls - very friendly. Read Umgman's reports.
Part 3: (My stuff)
I hook up with Adriana before I leave and set up Laura from the Platynum web site for 24 hours - mistake ! Her face was a 5 at best - so I did not enjoy my first day in BA. Money spent ($300) and lesson learned. Don't get me wrong - she was fun to be with and took me to a Tango show (and acted as a trusted guide roaming BA and doing shopping). She also spoke decent English. My spanish is near zero.
Next day I take Adriana out for lunch - nice lunch with a bottle of wine. Tab less than $20 for both and the food was simply incredible. Adriana suggests a two or three girls from the site who fit my taste. That night I meet Yabba and Umgman for dinner and it was instant bonding! We swap stories during dinner and head out to Blacks. I took home a german chick (Britney Spears look alike) - and she was great. I was surprised to find out that she was 30 (looks 22/23). cost 350 p.
I decide to explore the Clarin ads - just for the fun as I speak virtually no spanish. I tried 5 places. One of them I wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole. I sent 4 of them back with cab fare. Took delivery on one - she was 21. Her face was a 6 at best but her body was out of this world! (Yabba agrees :-) cost 90p
Another day - I head out to Orleans and pick up this 7. As soon as we seal the deal for 200 p, in walks this stunning babe (easily 8) who looked like a cross between Pamela Anderson and Catherine Zeta J. I did not know what to do but had the balls to ask my babe to wait for a minute. I get up, walk over and say ola to this 8 - I somehow convey to her I would like to meet her later and give her my cell phone number. Then I go back to my 7 and take her home. That night while having dinner with Umgman at a nice sea food restaurant, she calls me back. I tell her I will call back. She calls back again in 10 min - I give the phone to Umgman to help me out with his Spanish. He conveys the message I will call her back around 1:00 AM. After dinner we hit Playwoman (or Blacks - I forget - It is all a blur !). I look around for a while - the chick who called me looks better than the selection available. I call her and she says she will be at Etoile at 2:00. I split after 30 min. and she is waiting in the lobby. She had a great attitude and I was done in 3 minutes ! After that we had a couple of drinks and I pop in 50 mg of Vitamin V. After 30 min or so we are at it again and it seems like eternity! She left in the morning (cost : $150).
Last night of my stay, I hit Blacks with Umgman and he picks up a hot blonde. I was eyeing an exotic creature but she was having a drink with another guy. After Umgman splits I wait for another 15 minutes, but this guy is not letting her go! (I don't blame him!). I head out to Sodoma. A nice looking chic immediately latches on to me. I decided to pass simply because I wanted to check out Solid Gold. At Solid Gold, another delightful creature walks in and I grab her right away. She was 20, had a dark skin and incredible bod. All in all $70 well spent (I could have easily bargained her down - she asked for $60 - tipped her $10). Had the feeling she would have done it for $40. I was generous as it was my last night and she couldn't be sweeter. (Sorry if I jacked up the prices for you guys!)
All in all, the only time I felt I did not get my money's worth was the first day I spent with Laura for $300 - This was completely my fault.
(I kept the report brief - if you need more info email me of post a question here with your email address and I will try to help).
All in all, I found the people to be very friendly and polite. Never felt that I was in any danger walking around at odd hours. Right now BA is a great value. I wish the peso gets stronger (though it would put a big dent in our mongering expenses!)
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Had dinner with Yabba and a new friend last night. These guys were killing me. They were relating their Thai and soon to be Thai experiences. Nothing was left undescribed. So we´re sitting there, and a couple of native looking dudes who were yammering away in Spanish who were sitting next to us turn to us and ask us in crysal clear kings English where we were from. Lesson- don´t assume you aren´t being heard and understood. They were cool and weren´t offended by our shennanigans since they were up to the same thing. Still...
Anyway, all that talk of Thai got me a little worked up. I walk into Blacks and weave my way through a stunning array of lovelies. Who do I see but Carolina, a painfully cute half Argentine half Japanese waifish love sponge. Negotiations were short, I was eating sushi for dinner. 150 US. Back we go to my abode where the horizontal tango commenced. All in all bread and butter, but her tiny size made me look like a freakin giant. Little Umgman felt like Gulliver among the Lilliputians. Uh huh.
I got up this morning and was supposed to go to Uruguay with a chica. She didn´t show. Trust noone. I decided to console myself with moist box, and proceeded to call Nicole from Esc Ar number 38 I think. So she shows up and is not exactly what I had pictured. What are you gonna do? We got naked 300 pesos. She pulls out 5 condoms. I can´t help but think she is optimistic. But I give it the old college try. She licked it covered for a while that a quick doggie assault and it was 1 down, 4 to go. We rest a moment, and she gets to work on my little guy, and he quickly pricked his head up to see what was going on. On goes number two. I´m working pretty hard by this time. We are again doing the doggy, and I see her brown eye winking up at me. I think what the hell, and start with the thumb massage. I had made damn sure I knew where my little guy was this time! So next thing you know number three is on my finger giving her sphincter what-for. Now little Umgman is getting antsy and wants some of this action, so in he goes and the sinning continued full force. I reach through to finger her box while going at it, going for a home made dp, and she knocks my hand away and hands me another condom. Now we are cooking with gas! So finally I finish. Basically a damn fine time! 4 of 5 condoms used! She stayed about 45 min after that just chatting. Nice girl.
i´m not sure what tonight will have in store, but stay tuned. I leave soon and I think I have about one post left.
Well guys I am a little new here and I have been thinking about booking Ayelen. She is on many websites. Has anyone seen her? Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. desertfoxma@yahoo.com
Hey Umgman!!!!!!!!
Don't be such a dumbass.......... 150.US dollars! You( and anyone else paying 150$) are going to freaking ruin it for everyone. Do you realize that before the collapse you would have been paying 500 dollars. Use your heads guys....the one with the brain in it!!!!!! I have been spending 2 months in Argentina a year for the past 6 years. Now my little secreat is going to be ruined by all of you dumbass ***** mongers. The girls in BA for the most part are not even true whores.... those of you that have been lucky to expierience it know what Im talking about. Freaks that support the asian sex trade market should be castrated. Don't blow it guys. Suerte
Suerte,
Just for that comment i intend to pay the girls $100 u.s. an hour on my trip next week. I am so sick and tired of hearing how much we should pay and at what time we should make the payment.
Sorry if we might ruin your little party. I pay what i feel the girls worth and thats it. If you feel 25 pesos an hour is what you care to pay then so be it. Stop telling us how and when to spend our money.
You know what, i might even pay some of the girls $200 an hour if i really like their work.
starfe
Argentina is falling off a cliff, and if you had your way you would kick them while they were down. That's bullshit. If you really want cheap ass go to Bangladesh. The going price is $3 an hour. I have been known to pay as much as $6 an hour.
starfe
Fred Flintstone
06-20-02, 22:47
Starfe:
You are hilarious. No offense intended, but it's amazing sometimes what people will do/say when angered by others--rational or not. I suspect you are not going to pay anyone more than you have to, whether that threshold is based on what she asks for or what makes you feel good, and the idea of paying $100-$200 just to continue the pissing contest with Suerte becomes nonsensical. I agree that Suerte should not judge others for what they spend, but also think you should respond more rationally, if at all. Just my 2 cents anyway.
Fred
Fred,
I will pay what I feel the moment( session) warrants, no more no less. Guys like Suerte feel they trailblazed new markets for the rest of us and have set the bar for all to follow. Thats nonsense.I turned friends on to Thailand in the 1970's and never got into what one should pay or not pay. I only directed them to the best places to pick from and "about" what prices to pay. I never got on them if they decided to pay more or less. Its a big world, with new markets opening and closing all the time.
starfe
First and foremost I'd like to say that in my personal opinion I'd like to see this board not a billboard for people to complain or fight. The purpose of this board is for information exchange. No need to argue with anyone no matter what your opinion is. Everyone has their own opinion on things. We can agree to disagree. No need to use profane language in my opinion.
I've always been a proponent of paying what you think is fair. I'm not saying waste money or throw money away. Suerte, it is very telling what type of person you are for calling someone a "dumbass" for paying what they deem to be a fair and honest value.
I don't care what anyone says. I'm not even saying I'm 100% right on this one. You can't keep comparing pre-financial crisis Argentina with post-financial crises Argentina. It is not the same place. It is not the same time. Like it or not, no matter how you look at it... sex is a commodity much like gold, silver, platinum, diamonds are. The laws of supply and demand will always come into play with any 'valuable resource' (which I consider sex to be..ha, ha).
As far as guys saying that it is ridiculous to pay $150 US for a session with any chica down there, hey that is your opinion and I don't begrudge you for your opinion. However, I can tell you that many, many, many hot girls in places like Blacks will not budge from their price quotes of as much as $200 US. If you want to see her you can either negotiate and try to get a lower fee or accept their offer. Several didn't budge from their prices. All the power to them.
The reality is that there can probably be a 500+% increase in the number of guys that go down there and there will still be plenty of girls available at a good price. Their economy is in chaos and isn't gonna get better overnight. There are new girls getting into the business every single day. That will keep prices in line. I just talked to some amigos that went down and they paid an average of 200 -250 pesos for a short visit and 300 - 600 pesos for an all nighter. (That is at 3.5 pesos to the dollar).
The 'superstars' down there are always going to demand more. And you know what? They will get it too. When you think about calling someone a dumb ass again. Remember this.... Many of us on this board are professionals, executives, doctors, lawyers, etc. Are our clients "dumbasses" for paying us $200, $300, $400, $500+ dollars an hour?? Maybe, but that is what you can charge and still keep busy. Same principle down there.
Have fun guys.
Saint
P.S. No one is saying you have to go down there solely for sex. Keep in mind what the purpose of this board is though. WSG does NOT stand for Whalewatching, Shopping, and Gardening.
Last night was my final night. I thought to myself that I should try something new, and hope something special occurred. After dinner at a wonderful restaurant on the corner of Azcuenaga and French (go there for the bartender, if nothing else) I decided to go to Solid Gold. This place is right next to Playwoman. I hadn´t gone before because of some mumbling around town that the girls were lower class, not as good, etc. Guys, that is a campaign of misinformation. In fact, this place is where movie stars such as Julia Roberts, Sandra Bullock, Penelope Cruz etc work to research roles in upcoming flicks. Imagine my amazement when Salma Hayek saunters up to me. I can tell she likes me by the way she is staring at my ass when I stand up to readjust. Well, our conversation eventually gets around to how much. 150 US per hour. THANK GOD for my buddy Suerte´s advice, because I was a heartbeat away from making an ass of myself and accepting the bargain. Instead, I shooed the overpriced stank away and looked for something cheaper. Thanks again Suerte, or can I call you Sue.
Anyway, I was sitting at the bar rapping with the bartenders who happened to be chicas. I had it all going on, and was just hanging casually because I didn´t think she was one of the working girls. We were having a great time, and I actually had a rap going on in Spanish. It was something to see. I was wrong about her not being a working girl though. Long story short, I brought both her and her friend home with me. Like I said, last night, etc. No problem at all at the hotel. Art Suites. Valeria was 24 yo, tall, very cute face, extremely cool chica. Sole was 32 and was loca. Longest nipples I have ever seen. I basically had to deepthroat them. I had not done this before, but I want to do it again. Two tongues everywhere, and Sole even gave the taint a little bath. A good 2 hours of banging, alternating between chicas was 500 pesos. They would have gone lower, but why keep the ladies impoverished. Airplane memory. No shit, these girls were digging the action.
Guys, go to Solid Gold. I wish I had gone sooner. The most fun atmosphere, a real bar to sit at, Women as good as Playwoman. No cover, drinks 15 for you, 20 for the girl, and the bar fine is 2 drinks. You won[t go wrong. Try it.
My curtain call was a repeat performance from my nasty friend Anastasia. I got no prostate exam this time, but little Willy Wonka definitely played in the chocolate factory for a while. As good as before. I will miss her, you betcha.
So that is all, boys. I hope that this has provided a bit of insight on what is available in Recoleta. I enjoyed doing the research for these essays, and I hope I provided some entertainment if nothing else. As the girls here say, Ciao.
Yabba and my new friend whose screen name I can[t remember, it was a blast, have fun and take care.
returned to 2254 French street today and Madamm Merium...prev posted on 6 20...introduced me to the other 2 innocent platynum babes...I went for the 22 year old...a perfect face, 5 foot 8 thin and C plus yabbas...always cool when the ribs are showing and the breasts above are exploding out of the body. This girl had to work hard for her money because at this stage I need a movie actress to get a spark going...to much of a good thing I guess...after completing my mission I asked her if it were ok to just cuddle for 10 or 20 minutes...guys this was the best part...will probably take the third one for a spin tommorrow...100 pesos and gave her 20 more after I felt so guilty.
As for my departing buddy Umgman a song comes to mind that describes him to me by Pink Floyd...welcome my son, welcome to the machine...take care buddy.
Saint,
You've hit the nail on the head with your rationale.
This is about personal preferences and opinions and each to their own.
I am a successful professional and have no problem investing money on something carrying a low risk with guaranteed high return. My choice and at the end of the day market forces will rule and that's a fact.
I was considering heading to BA in Sept/Oct and was wondering if this too much 'off-peak' or will I still have a blast at the clubs mentioned here.
Also can anyone recommend any daytime saunas/massage places containg 7's and 8's. How much for an hour in pesos here?
Or is my best bet platynum?
Cheers.
jetsetter.
kyck_stand
06-21-02, 18:30
Hi, Guys.
I must say that this site is great and the info you provide has been very helpful. Thanks, Jackson for setting this up.
Planning my first trip to BA via Florianopolis for a couple of days in September and was wondering if any of you would be in the area. I speak some brushed up high school Spanish and but, thanks to you guys, I should still be able to enjoy myself.
Again, you guys are much appreciated.
Guys:
Respect to the prices discussion, I would like to add my 2 cents:
- Markets are built not only from Demand and Supply but also from information. Don't disregard the " collusion" effect of a forum like this.
- Remember the Blue Marlin's surge in prices. I heard that several years ago it was half as cheap as today (if not less). Don't make BA get to this point so fast.
- Paying what is fair is, after all, the best option. The problem is understanding what "fair" means. Even if some of you feel that is "fair" to pay $XXX, try to understand the context before deciding it.
- I'm a native Argentinian who has friends back home. Pushing prices up spoils the hobby for locals, and that' s bad for them and ultimately for you. If some locals cannot afford stunners for a long time due to high offers from gringos, they may feel resented about foreigners and may take revenge.
Cheers,
Andres
Jetsetter:
I don't know exactly what 7 or 8 means to you, but I can recommend you some daytime places that, up to last December, could have matched your criteria:
- Affaire (Not the Recoleta Affaire!!!): Pueyrredon Av. & Paraguay St. Should be open after 3PM (at most, 6PM). p10 the entrance (one drink included) and p70 for 30 minutes in-house (you enter a shacky building next to the bar). Acceptable place and very cute girls (most Paraguayans, Brazilians and locals).
- A place advertised in Platynum in the Massage section, with phone 4314-0749, located in Esmeralda St. and Cordoba Av. An apartment in a huge building. Girls were pretty but not stunners. I chose Sasha (as appears in www.placeresvip.com). Good massage but mechanical "dessert". I went at 6PM, not very busy, but these were the "De la Rua ousting" days, so the city was in chaos.
Hope this helps,
Andres
So let me get this straight:
If I see my perfect 10 and she wants to charge me $50 more then then going rate for a session I should pass , so I don't screw it up for the next guy. I don't think so.
I really could not care less about the guys who came before me or the ones that will follow me. Its a personal decision that only the buyer and seller can make.
In my view its not about supply and demand.
Its just about Demand!
Starfe
Umgman,
Dude, I know those two (Vale and Sole). Very friendly bartenders. Didn't have a session with them but they are great for conversation.
After many years of market making on every exchange in the US I must respond to this supply demand issue of the money paid to the chicas.
First, markets are comprised of depth and liquidity.
BA is a major major city and not the Blue Marlin. I dont care how many WSG guys come down here because there are just so many chicas you cant even make a dent in them. Also the ranks of the unemployed are immense.
There will always be a substantial amount of transactions above and below the mean but most commerce will meet and deal in size at about the same price. It appears to me that maybe 10
percent of the biz is done buy the likes of playwomen and blacks and then you have the other 90 percent solidly dealing at 125 pesos in such immense depth and liquidity that the prices are not going anywhere.
The only way I can see the prices rising will be if all prices go up for everything like housing food etc...hyperinflation of all good and services which is a clear possibility.
There are simply to many sellers of yabba so for now it remains a buyers market...praise the lord.
yabba,
Great point. There is just to much pussy around for 1,10,100 or 1000 (guys) to screw up at this stage.
What we all need is a stable economy in Argentina that does not turn into another Brazil type crime scene.
The last thing I want to read on this board is
" who got mugged and where in B.A. last night"
starfe
I had posted the below questions but got no reply. Since I leave the U.S. Monday night if anyone could provide some answers, it would be helpful.
A few questions for the BA experts-
What times do the clubs like Playwoman and Black's open?
Do all taxis know where these places are or can someone provide addresses.
What hotels in Recoleta are within walking distance of the above clubs?
How easy is it to find girls in these clubs that are willing to do BBBJ? (If anyone has a girl they would like to suggest-please feel free to e mail me directly)
Thanks for any info.
asiaman18@hotmail.com
Asiaman and all other lurkers:
The reason no one is answering your questions is because all these questions have been answered in earlier posts. I provided exact addresses in earlier posts. If guys take the time to provide accurate and important information, the least you can do is take a little time and go back and find the info. We all have busy lives. I know we live in a world of instant gratification but please take the time to go back and do your research.
Good luck.
P.S. Good post Yabba. You are right on target with your post.
Otto:
I won't take revenge against anybody. I just noticed that girls like to talk a lot, and many cab drivers, corrupt officers and solicitors can conspire to rob a visitor in its last day of visit to the country.
I remember a girl in Catto's who told me that in 1993 she went out several times with a Japanese executive. The guy used to spend money like candy, and the girl made it known in the bar. Police found out about the foreigner and arrested him and the girl on his last night in BA, when living the bar to the hotel. Desperate, the guy offered $1000 to forget offenses and let him take his plane next day. I think that he regreted more the hassle than the money lost.
That said, my advice should be more useful to visitors than to my friends.
I would like to find as many nice chicks here as in Buenos Aires. It's incredible how men adopt to new standards when the metabolism calls for female warmth...
Cheers,
Andres
Big Blue Man
06-23-02, 05:13
I didn't have such a good time in Buenos Aires, I guess I'm use to Costa Rica. I think the girls in Costa Rica are a bit more friendly and go more out of their way to attract a guy. Not to mention it's a much closer flight than Argentina. I went to the house off French street that yabba spoke about and I prefer the wider selection of the clubs and internet better, if you know how to negotiate you can get 4 hours for 300 pesos or 3 hours for 200 pesos. But I'm use to the girls in Costa Rica I think they try to please you more. To me the long flight was not worth it.
Big Blue Man and others. My upcoming trip will be my first one for hobbying. I have never negotiated anything in my life. I and probably many others would appreciate tips on negotiating with women in general and Argentinean and Brazilian women in particular.
The general Argentina section my be a more appropriate place for such a discussion.
Tia
As for tonight and tommorrow night I have made dates with my two favorites...both provide a good gfe and great after cuddling...looking forward...even going out to dinner with these chicas...lucky them...Aisa de Cuba restaurant in porto medero tonight...excellent...will be in Thailand from july 5th till Aug 7th. Got a few weeks to rest up. END BA
Big Blue Man
06-24-02, 00:45
Sorry I can't help you in the bargining area. I went down with a friend that spoke spanish fluently, he was able to bargin the girls down to 3 hours for 200 pesos, I don't believe in bargining because then the girl in my opinion will not show you as good a time. I just pay as long as I think it's reasonable. I have visited Buenos Aires twice and Costa Rica about 6 times, I'm just use to the environment in Costa Rica. To me Costa Rica feels more stable and safe, girls are better looking, try to please you more, you have numerous massage parlors to go to during the days, the coast is closer if you want to take a girl with you for the weekend or go fishing, and not to mention it is alot closer to fly to than Argentina.
Costa Rica is the place to go in my opinion guys, sorry if I burst your bubble, but hey I work hard for my money and rather spend it in Costa Rica.
One other point:
Fair is also a function of options. If a chica quotes a price and I'm used to non-pro's of equal or greater attractiveness, it can be difficult for me to justify paying that price. While talking to this one girl at Playwoman I kept thinking,"If this were NYC, you'd be coming home with me..." Or, if you've been quoted 150-200 the majority of the time and some "stunner" suddenly wants 700!!!($200US), how can you NOT tell her to take a walk? It's so far outside of that "normal curve" that it's a losing proposition. Also, as far as the attitude is concerned, how good can that session really be?
After reading many of the posts, I can clearly see that I was quoted less by some of the same women. I'm relatively young (under 30), so that probably helps. I was never quoted more than $100US. And the only time I paid that was for toda la noche with a cute, blonde from Brazil.
I personally don't understand the concept of overpaying. It's as if some guys are trying to fulfill some other need by paying more. Like they're trying to say," Hey, look at me! I got a hot girl and I paid a premium for her, yeah!!!" And there are others who simply laugh and say,"That's nice, pal. But, two days ago I had the same girl: twice as long, for half the price."
It's an interesting game we play.
OttoGraham
06-24-02, 17:16
"Overpaying" is a funny subject. I mean, if the difference is between $100 and $150, why haggle? It looks bad, and makes you look classless in the eyes of a trixie. The better a trixie thinks about you, the better service you are going to get, guaranteed. So why spoil it by haggling like an Arab rug merchant, treating her ass like a piece of merchandise, irritating her by trying to drive her price down by fifty bucks? It is foolish. (Of course, come to think of it, her ass is a piece of merchandise, but you all certainly get my point....)
Having gotten some info about the scene in BsAs, I realize there is a whole substratum of punters who will, if the going price is twenty bucks, not be happy unless they can get full service for ten. "Cheap" is what it is, there is no other word for it.
So unless a girl's offer to me this coming week in BsAs is totally outrageous, I will be paying it. Sorry to disappoint you cheapies on the board.
Otto
Otto,
If you go back and read one of Jackson's comments from about a month ago, it is about respect. They will respect more if you do bargain. I don't have any experience in bargaining, but I have talked to a couple of friends who do it on a regular basis. Who do vendors prefer as a customer? The person who pays asking price. Who do vendors respect as a customer? The person who negotiates.
I am not going to try and nickle and dime the women the death. However, I will not pay over the going rate that is in effect at the time I go to Argentina. I don't expect to get as good of a price as an experienced hobbyer who has been to BA several times. But as long as the woman and I are both reasonable, everything should work out fine.
There is way to much bickering about what should or should not be paid. The whole idea of the "trip" is to have an outstanding time and not worry about the $'s in your pocket. If 1 night you overpay and the next night you get a great deal, it works out in the end.
Mistakes are made and lessons learned, that's what these adventures are all about. The last thing I am worried about is spending money. My only concern is getting in as much quailty time as possible. I am pretty sure that's everyones goal.
starfe
"The better a trixie thinks about you, the better service you are going to get, guaranteed."
I couldn't agree with you more. And there tends to be an inverse relationship between how much she thinks of you and the price. A lot of guys fall into the old societal trap of thinking that paying more is the way to get her to think highly of you. PAYING MORE DOES NOT GUARANTEE GREAT SERVICE. Throwing money at a woman will NOT make her think you are God's gift to womankind. After she has her financial needs met by you, she will often go someplace else to have her PERSONAL needs met. I've seen it so many times that I wish there were some way to tattoo it on every guy's forehead.
I made a post a little while back about how the woman views you as either "income" or "playtime". Women compartmentalize like crazy, especially pro's. It's how they get through the day. IF you are skillful, you can exert a great deal of influence over which mental compartment she places you in.
Using money as your "tool" to try to get a woman interested in you is a loser's game. For the record, I make a lot of money. But when it comes to meeting women, I leave the Breitling at home and I never, ever go into detail about what I do for a living. This doesn't mean don't be generous. I'm generous with women the same way I'm generous with other "friends". My generosity NEVER comes with strings attached i.e. give her a gift so she likes you, etc. Otherwise, it's a bribe, not generosity. And, it always comes later after we've established, in ways that I can understand, that we are "friends".
During my time in BsAs I never haggled "like an Arab". I never "beat anyone up on price". Why? To me, the price is a test for interest. If a woman perceives that she's going to have fun with you, it will be reflected in the price. If we spend too much time talking about money, it totally kills the mood for me. If I don't hear the quote I want to hear, I thank them for their time, then move on. It lets me know that I didn't do enough pre-screening for attentiveness, attitude, interest etc. to insure that the session is going to be worth my time let alone my money. I didn't "prime the pump" enough, and now she's too focused on the money and not enough on just having fun with me. If she's not interested (except for the money), then neither am I. NEXT!
(BTW, when I say "quote", I mean her starting point, her initial price right out of the gate. I never heard anything over $100US. And usually that was from women I wasn't overly interest in to begin with.)
Big Blue Man
06-25-02, 01:13
drgn
I agree it is more fun and a girl is more likely to show you a great time if
1. she likes you
2. you don't haggle with her in price
you know what I believe as long as I deem it reasonable I will not haggle a girl down, I'll just pay her, why? I want her to show me a good time and I want to have a good time and feel good about myself.
starfe
I don't know why you don't feel safe in Costa Rica. I go out till 3 to 4 a.m. down there and feel completely safe. On the other hand in Argentina, people have tried to pick my pocket twice. Not good since I've only been there twice. Last time I was in Argentina, I saw police getting ready with riot gear and tear gas to deal with protestors. Needless to say I spent the day in my hotel that day and the day after.
It is all relevant, there are places in every country and every state in the U.S. that is dangerous to walk around in. I stay in the good areas in Costa Rica and never walk the street drunk and I have a blast and feel completely safe. The girls, to me, look better in Costa Rica and when I go to the bars I don't pay a cover fee or have to buy a minimum of drinks like in Blacks or Playwoman in Argentina. In Costa Rica I can go to a bar scope out the chicas and talk to them, see if they like me, see what their price is and make a dicision whether I want to take them or not.
It's a little tough in Argentina due to the fact what you see on the net and what shows up at your hotel is sometimes 2 different things. Happened to me several times, where I just sent the chica home with taxi money. But very fustrating.
I'll stick to Costa Rica, I would like to go to Panama, I hear it's great but a little costly. I also hear Venezuela is good, so my next trip in another 2 months will be either, Panama, Costa Rica, or Venezuela.
Drgn, I agree with what you're saying here and I have a little story that I think illustrates how if the girl likes you and thinks you're fun that the money really becomes secondary: last time I was in Miami I called an Argentinean sweetie named Analis that works in BA but was working in Miami for a few months. I arranged to pick her up and take her for a nice dinner at an Argentinean steak place in town. We stuck up a nice conversation in Spanish, had a nice dinner, glass of wine, held hands at the restaurant and then I told her I wanted to take her to a local hotel and have sex. We STILL hadn't spoken a WORD about money. Then we went to the hotel and had a GREAT TIME (by the way, she asked me if I was "shy" while driving over there, guess we were having a great time, eh? but I told her I preferred not to crack up the car with her mouth on my staff). To make a long story short, even when we had finished having great sex twice she STILL made no mention of money and I just handed her a few c-notes and she said thanks! So yes, I do agree with you Drgn that it's better when you treat things like a date and have a great time and then get down to business, then money isn't so important to the chica. Happy mongering, DownBA
All this talk about "over paying" is kind of a moot point, in my opinion. Most of the girls down there didn't seem to intentionally price gouge you. Most asked for what I thought to be a more than fair deal. The one place that I ran across girls as a group asking for too much money was Black's. Most girls there were asking for $200 US for the whole night or 600 pesos. (Granted, some of these chicas were smoking hot but that was too much in my opinion to pay).
Most of the girls at Playwoman were reasonable. I would venture to guess they would accept most reasonable offers for a short term or TLN (toda la noche "all nighter"). There is much that comes into play too. For instance, how much she has already made that day, how greedy she is, what time it is, what you look like, your age, etc. Some guys would like to think that a customer is a customer but that isn't always the case. If these chicas get along with you and you seem to 'click' with her.... I've found that many times money is a secondary factor.
Just as a guy that pays too much is not a dumb ass. A guy that doesn't want to pay a girls asking fee is not a cheap ass either. If you don't think something is fair you can always walk away.
OttoGraham
06-25-02, 19:19
To anybody recently in BsAs:
Suggestions on changing money, where to get the best rates without waiting in line all day?
I have heard the rate at el aeropuerto is only about 3.2 to the dollar, while the city rate is 3.6.
Anybody get any nasty surprises from using their ATM to withdraw pesos?
Otto
Otto,
Keep a close eye on the exchange rate, it appears that the peso is taking another drop. Current quote I see is 3.80-3.85.
Yes, the peso is in a free fall. Make sure you keep up to date on daily exchange rates if you are down there. It's no big deal if you're not "Playing" that much but it can add up. Here is a recent article from the New York Times this morning:
Blows Keep Coming for an Argentina Long in Crisis
By LARRY ROHTER
BUENOS AIRES, June 25 — The president says it may be impossible to reach any agreement with the International Monetary Fund, the head of the central bank is giving up and going home, and the economy minister embarked tonight on a desperate quest to pry $18 billion from foreign lenders.
For Argentina, an already disastrous economic crisis is suddenly threatening to become even more calamitous.
"Argentina needs a very rapid agreement, but it doesn't depend on us," a dejected President Eduardo Duhalde said in a television appearance here late on Monday. "I hope we don't have to wait until September, because the situation in the region is getting worse every day."
Mr. Duhalde spoke shortly after Mario Blejer, the president of the central bank and a former I.M.F. official with extensive contacts on Wall Street, said he was stepping down. His departure leaves the economy minister, Roberto Lavagna, who departed tonight for three days of meetings with the country's creditors in New York and Washington, as the undisputed chief of the government's economic team.
The resignation of Mr. Blejer, 53, an economist with a doctorate from the University of Chicago, was not a great surprise. His health problems and his desire to rejoin his family, which lives in the United States, were widely known here, and he had earlier told Mr. Duhalde that he would stay in his post only until an agreement could be reached with the fund.
But clashes with Mr. Lavagna, especially over how to end a freeze on bank deposits that has crippled Argentina's banking system since December, hastened Mr. Blejer's decision; he is to leave his post at the end of the week. Investors reacted by pushing the value of the Argentine peso down 2.5 percent today to 3.86 to the dollar; it was pegged at one to the dollar for a decade until early January.
Mr. Blejer is to be succeeded by his deputy, Aldo Pignanelli, a little-known Peronist party loyalist who played a role in recent efforts to keep several banks from collapsing.
In his letter of resignation, Mr. Blejer complained that the central bank's "independence has been weakened repeatedly in recent times" and urged the government not to "submit it to self-interested pressures."
Like the monetary fund's negotiators, who have been meeting with Argentine officials here this month, Mr. Blejer favored a plan to end the banking freeze by forcing bank depositors to accept government bonds in place of their savings. With Mr. Duhalde's approval, however, Mr. Lavagna has instead put in place an optional conversion plan, which was quickly rejected by all but a few depositors.
Though the monetary fund's position "is correct from a macroeconomic point of view, it is not legally possible" to force depositors to accept bonds, Eduardo Amadeo, a spokesman for Mr. Duhalde and a member of the Argentine negotiating team, said in an interview here today. "The court is not going to approve this. There is jurisprudence on this, and it is quite clear."
Another important figure quit the scene today when Raúl Alfonsín, who was president from 1983 to 1989, resigned his Senate seat. Mr. Alfonsín, a member of the Radical Party, had been an ally of Mr. Duhalde, a Peronist, but found himself at odds with other Radical leaders, who argued that it was a mistake for the party to be associated with what they called Mr. Duhalde's disastrous policies.
A team from the monetary fund left Buenos Aires last Friday without saying publicly that any headway had been made toward an agreement that would restore Argentina's credit line with the fund, which was suspended in December. On Monday, David de Ferranti, vice president of the World Bank for Latin America, said that any agreement between Argentina and its creditors still requires "quite a lot of time to work out."
"The fund had a mission to Argentina that left a day or so ago without progress," Mr. De Ferranti told reporters at a meeting in the Netherlands. "It's slow going. I wish it were possible to say that there was a solution that would be soon to occur. That is not obvious yet."
Argentine officials argue, on the other hand, that they have done many of the things the fund has demanded, often over strong internal opposition. They cite a pact to impose fiscal restraint on provincial governors and the revocation of bankruptcy and "economic subversion" laws that were said to discriminate against foreigners. The main impediment to a deal now, they say, is more psychological than substantive.
"The fund doesn't believe us," Mr. Amadeo said. "They don't trust us. They have no confidence in us, given the history of the Argentine political class, and that has made the negotiations long and difficult."
An even more basic problem, he said, is that "if the fund continues to believe that we are cheating them, there is no solution and we're stuck in a Catch-22." He added, " There has to be a minimum of good will and belief that we are no longer deceiving anyone."
In recent declarations, Mr. Duhalde and other officials have indicated that they see July 15 as something of a deadline for the talks. Argentina has already defaulted on most of its foreign debt, but payments of more than $1 billion still come due that day, and the government has implied that if it has no deal by then with the fund, it will have no choice but to default on those payments, too.
Some analysts here argue that the apparent hardening of Argentina's position stems from the recent market turbulence in neighboring Brazil and Uruguay, which is also showing signs of affecting Chile and Mexico. Argentine officials say the crisis is now regional, which increases their leverage in negotiations by putting pressure on lenders and foreign governments to prevent the situation from worsening.
"The group in power thinks that they can blackmail the I.M.F. and the United States government through the threat of contagion in Brazil," said Carlos Escudé, a former foreign ministry official who has written several books on Argentine foreign policy. "But they are wrong to think they can wield that club," Mr. Escudé said, because the monetary fund is "more likely to come to Brazil's rescue" and let Argentina sink.
With no accord to restart the economy, the pressure on the Argentine currency is mounting. Some currency exchange offices were charging four pesos for a dollar today, and Carlos Saúl Menem, the former president who is running for the office again, warned that rate could easily slide to seven to the dollar by the end of the year.
The government has responded by intervening in the market to support the peso, a move most economists here have criticized as a doomed and dangerous use of dwindling foreign reserves. Since January, Argentina's reserves have dropped from $13 billion to less than $9.8 billion, with the government now spending up to $50 million a day to stave off a run on the peso.
The way things are going, Argentina will soon fall below the minimum level of $9 billion in foreign reserves required under its existing agreements with the monetary fund. But government officials say that letting the peso float without intervention, as the monetary fund has advocated, would produce a politically disastrous burst of hyperinflation.
"It is important to obtain maximum stability" for the peso, Mr. Lavagna said Monday in remarks to a visiting Brazilian business group. "We have worked by using intervention to avoid an excessive movement," keeping the peso's decline fairly slow, he said.
OttoGraham
06-26-02, 14:07
WATCH THIS SPACE
Otto Graham is inbound to Buenos Aires as we speak.
Daily reports promised, subject to hangovers.
Debauchery a definite go.
Epicurean delights.
Feminine wiles.
Abuse of alcohol a certainty.
- Otto
I am considering two package tour trips: one exclusively to Rio, and one that does both BA and Rio. I have been to Rio, and consider it paradise. Can someone give me some idea how BA compares to Rio? If I do decide to go to BA as well, can someone vector me to the right part of town, the right clubs? Hotel in BA would be Bristol; any information about its girl-friendliness? Thanks
Roberto:
This question has come up before on this forum. I'm pasting part of the answer I had given to someone else a few days ago on the Mar Del Plata section:
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"This year alone I've made six trips down to BA on business. I've also traveled to both Rio and Sao Paulo very frequently on business for the last three years. Even though I travel on business, I still manage to hook up with girls almost every day in both countries.
I'd agree with your impression that girls in Argentina are more pro-oriented than Brazilian girls. Yes, you can find a GFE in Argentina, but it is more readily available in Brazil. And while a BBBJ (which I strongly prefer) is not standard practice in Argentina, it is readily available in Brazil.
Because I've been to both countries so much, I've also gone to regular non-pro discos, clubs, and bars. And in my experience, the friendliness and chance of scoring with non-pro girls has been much higher in Brazil."
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Let me add to this answer that I had given before, that I speak fluent Spanish but little Portuguese, so in theory I should feel more at home in Argentina, but my preference is still for Brazil. I base this preference on the fact that I find Brazilian women on average to simply enjoy lovemaking more than the average Argentine woman. The experience that I've had with most Brazilian women is that they want to screw my brains out. But on average, I've found most Argentine women to be much more business-like.
Others have mentioned the safety risks in Brazil. I've been to Rio about 10 times and to Sao Paulo about 6 times and I've never been robbed, but I am extra careful because of bad experiences that I've had travelling in other countries. The only bad experience that I've had in Brazil in nearly getting into a fist-fight with a rude taxi driver. In BA I've never been robbed either.
I think both Argentina and Brazil are great, but I prefer Brazil. If I was paying for my ticket (or using my frequent flyer miles) I'd go to Brazil over Argentina. But if you can afford it, definitely try both as they are a thousand times better than the scene in the US.
Dear Yabba,
Thanxxx for all the details u provided about ur trip. I am deciding whether or not to take the long, long trip for Van, Canada all the way down or not. I've been to Thailand twice and i know u can't get much closer to heaven than going from an Argentinian trip to a Thailand.....I've got two words for u........LUCKY BASTARD!!!!...............getting back 2 the point. I just wanted to give thanxxx for the detailed reports u gave...it was almost like we were riding shotgun right along with u on the trip...it was great for me especially, because it finally sold me on the trip.......take care
otto...read your first days report on the french street place...seems to have vaporized but it was good to see you agreed...3 nice ones...and flexxx thanks for the mention...just do the same when your in the field...umgman...this report is for you because, like you, I just had to give it a whirl...
Last tango in BA...Well, it was my last night and according to plan I had my favorite lined up from the gfe J n B PUB. She sat down beside me and who sits next to me??...last nights favorite as well...I AM SURROUNDED...these young ladies proceed to tell me how they both promise to share my loins buy pointing from their lips to my yabba and saying beso...or kiss...I used my basic spanish and said to both of them mismo tiempo?...which means... at the same time??...oh yes they nodded. They both just kept rubbing my thighs and signaling me how the were going to make me suffer and off we were...200 pesos total for both and I was rock hard from the moment we left the place till I was done. First I made sure we had a little quality cuddling time as I lay on my back with a chica in each arm as they lay beside me holding my yabba as I blessed each one with gfe kisses...and then they both went down to my promissed land and took turns working high and low changing each time I said cambio...
Then the blonde mounted up as I lay on my back with my left hand holding her breast as my right wraped around the back of the other as she lay on her side next to me as I breast fed with relish and kissed as well...
Then a quick condom change and I begun to finish myself off buy riding the other babe as she lay on her back. Only this time I was laying on this chica diagonally as I breast fed on the other chica when I finished...wow
Hola,
Stumbled on to the following site, I don't think it has been posted in the new forum. If it has, sorry for the redundancy.
www.area-vip.com.ar
What interested me about this site, is in the information section they claim "On this web site we don´t publish any photographs that don´t belong to the girls in the ads."
Yabba,
I knew you'd cave in! The high/low tongue bath is a memory you treasure right up there with the kids' graduations! You know, its funny. I never would have expected it, but I have been having just as much sex since I came back to the states as I did in BA. Unfortunately, it has been with myself. Oh well.
By the way, Yabba. How do we get our own sections like Otto? I guess we have to actually make a trip to BA and post a bunch of reports, huh? Damn, I'm jealous.
Seriously wishing I was at Blacks right now,
Umgman
first i would like to thank jackson for this forum. it was a pleasure meeting you in b.a. i know i was not such wonderful company the last night. chalk it up to the the cold weather and a full escort day.
otto: a last minute drink before my flight was just to short. wish i could have gone on the town with you and compared notes.
i like your style, so maybe on another trip we can meet up and enjoy all the wonders of b.a..
to future travels to this picture perfect wonderland of total fufillment : " you lucky little pricks"
have a safe trip.
signing off
starfe
oh yes: the saint, it would never have happened without your help. you told it like it was and thats all anyone could ask for.
allanblues: www.area-vip.com.ar does air-brush their escorts photos. If you really want WSIWYG, try escorts-argentina.com
The webmistress is very helpful.
Starfe,
Thanks for the kind words. I'm glad that you and all others that have been to Buenos Aires have had such a great time. It's really almost a magical place to me. There is not a day that goes by that I don't think about it.
I'm fairly confident we will hook up in BA in the future. I'm glad I had the good fortune to meet you. I've been really lucky over the years and have made some great friends from these type of message boards. (Some of them have been life long friends). Cheers all!
P.S. Yes, Area-Vip does airbrush their photos but they are still some of the hottest girls in BA bar none. Yes, the pictures on the other sites like Platynum and others might not be "air brushed" but I saw several girls from the internet sites and all looked better on the internet sites. I've said it before and I'll say it again.... these girls pick the very best pictures to go on the site (perfect setting, perfect lighting, their 'best side', etc.). I'm not complaining though...these chicas are hot, hot hot.
Good luck all.
richardosteele
07-12-02, 23:59
I have long read (and salivated over) the many posts describing trips to BA. I've looked over the various escort websites and wished I could be calling some of those phone numbers myself. Well, I shall be deprived no longer! While moving some old WP5.1 files into my laptop, I noticed one titled "Delta FF." I opened it up to discover I had 55,800 Delta miles I had somehow forgotten about. A call revealed that 50,000 of those miles would get me to BA and back. Now, I can sample these BA wonders for myself! Because I will use FF miles, airline price fluxuations based on season are no consideration. Within the range of September to December or so (or even later), what is the consensus as to the best time in terms of weather and women to visit BA? I ask with the understanding that too long a wait could run the risk of seeing the present extremely favorable economic conditions for Americans take a turn for the worse for us and a turn for the better for the Argentines. Because my trip will be "free," I was thinking about four or five days; that's about all my single practicioner law practice could stand. I was also thinking about the Art Suites since it seems to be inexpensive and boasts better beds than the otherwise fabled Etiole. I'm really looking forward to this trip and welcome any and all suggestions and counsel from seasoned BA visitors. Thanks a lot!
Richard O. Steele
Richard:
Try to avoid the late December season. Many of the girls return to their home countries or provincies to celebrate Christmas. Many of these girls won't come back to BA until Jan 6th.
I remember how empty were the places on the two last Dec. 24th nights. It's sad to dream about the girls for months and find out later that many of them are gone.
Anyway, it would be difficult to find redeemed mileages' seats for December nowadays. I was told tat you have to book before May to get a "free" December ticket.
For sure, the economic climate won't improve dramatically in the short term, so don't worry much about changing conditions. Besides, we Argentinians are used to freeze investment decisions when a new presidential election is called, only to resume them (if resumed) after the votes are casted. Next is forecasted for March.
Hope this helps,
Andres
Richard,
I agree with Andres about not going in December but I've always gone in September and October and since this is the beginning of their Spring in BA it's a really awesome time of the year temperature wise, although I've noticed that early to mid September sometimes brings a fair bit of rain but aside from the rain, the temperatures are beautiful and you really don't need any heavy clothing around this time of year there. As for where to stay, I personally love this place in Belgrano called Golf Tower Hotel on la Pampa on the corner of Cazadores. It's a short cab ride to la Recoletta where all the action is (maybe 8 minutes)and the Hotel is an aparthotel. Also, right down the street within 5 minutes by foot is a great little neighborhood place called "Estilo Nuevo Boliche" where there's a strip show, pool table and natually every one of the young honey's can be yours for a song, and there were about 15 to chose from. It's like hanging out at your local pool parlor/bar only every girl is on the program. They have rooms right there on the premises so you don't have to go anywhere. The girls were very friendly and acommodating. Also, all of the girls on the websites you've been checking out will come to you there regardless of where they live and many of them live right there in Belgrano. Belgrano has parks, golf courses, great shopping on Avenida Cabildo, great restaurants and cafes just like everywhere in BA, great Parilladas (mixed beef grills) just like everywhere in BA and last but not least, this neighborhood is very much off the beaten path and quiet. This hotel that I mentioned can probably give you a room for well under $100 per night and every room has a separate living room and kitchen fully stocked with everything you need to cook, utensils, pans, pots, etc. The receptionists are usually just like sweet nectarines, most of them are very sexy and friendly and bi-lingual if you don't speak Spanish. And they serve free continental breakfast and will also make you fried eggs if you ask nicely. So that's my recomendation, having stayed there twice now. Also, if you don't mind spending a little more, check out Hotel Cristoforo Colon in Palermo which is a more upscale aparthotel a few blocks from Avenida Santa Fe and very close to Avenida Libertador and they have very reasonably priced aparthotel rooms too.
You've made a very fine decision to go to BA, it's one you'll never regret and it will give you warm memories for the rest of your life, I guarantee you! Happy mongering in BA, DownBA
I am off to BA in September. I regard the Latina as one of God's finest creations, having visited many Latin countries, and I speak a little Spanish. However, maybe one of the Latin users can advise me on language. If you are dealing with a semi-pro, you want to be polite and not too direct, certainly not a vulgar oaf. How do you indicate in very polite Spanish that you want to discuss the possibility of moving things toward the bedroom?
Roberto,
I don't think you have to be too worried about being too direct with a "semi-pro" as you put it, especially in BA since the pros and semi-pros are fairly direct themselves and will leave no doubt that they're interested in exchanging a nice time in la cama for some crisp US C-notes or some crisp pesos. But if you want to have some phrases ready you could try, "Me gustaria pasar un buen tiempo con vos en una habitacion," as in "I'd like to have a nice time with you in a room" or you could substitute the words "albergue transitorio" for "una habitacion" which will unmistakably tell the nice chica you want to go to a short stay motel with her (which BA has the best of in the world I think, all impeccably clean with mirrored ceilings, porno on the tv and nice, clean rooms with fresh towels, fresh sheets and a dimmer switch). Or you could say "Cuanto me sale una salida con vos", which is a little more direct and using the local term salida, which is how the local "acompanantes" say date and here you'd be asking "How much for a date with you?" Again, I wouldn't worry too much about being too direct or not direct enough since these girls are playing the same game you are only they're soooooooo sexy and acommodating. Just get the heck down there as soon as you can and start feasting your eyes and other body parts on the sexiest group of women on the planet!!! Buen provecho amigo!! DownBA
I can tell you guys that I'll be in Buenos Aires for the better part of December and I can promise you that I will NOT be alone for even one day. Yes, I'm sure some girls do go "home" for the holidays but BA is a major city. Keep in mind many of the girls live in BA and are from BA.
I still keep in contact with a few girls down there and they have indicated they will be in town for the holidays. They also indicated times were tough and more girls will probably work this holiday season. I'm not worried. I'm certainly NO expert on BA. I'm still a rookie but I would be willing to bet that instead of there being 100/100 excellent choices there will be 70-80/ 100. I can live with that.
Have fun all that are headed down.
Fat Bastard
07-13-02, 23:04
DownBA,
Could you provide the address or directions to the local place you talked about.....Estilo Nuevo Boliche?
Thanks,
Fatty
Fat Bastard,
Ask any cab driver to take you to the corner of la Pampa and Cazadores in Belgrano, la Pampa crosses Avenida Libertador so that's a no brainer to any cabbie, when you get to la Pampa you'd turn in the direction of the river, (if you're coming from Palermo toward Belgrano you'd be making a right turn onto La Pampa) you'd pass Cazadores (there will be a park on your right hand side with a small river in it, not Rio de La Plata) and Estilo Nuevo Boliche will be on the left hand side just before an intersection which I think is Avenida San Martin, but I can't swear to this part. Most of the cabbies know where this place is too so you shouldn't have too hard a time finding it. This place starts cooking on the early side, about 9 PM is ok and they do some entertaining lesbianism shows on stage with the girls really eating each other out, also they have male volunteers come on stage and dance with the strippers while they strip the volunteer. I think this is definitely worth trying, I went two nights in a row and had a great time with a really nice 21 year old named Silvana, great body with petite breasts but great ass and she went down on me while we showered together and the rest was really great, one of the best fucks I ever had in BA. Hope you check it out your next time there. DownBA
DownBA.
Does the Golf Tower permit guests?
Just arrived in BA from MIA.
Nuevo Estilo is located in Figueroa Alcorta Av. and La Pampa, a few blocks from the city airport (Aeroparque). Any taxi driver should know the intersection, and Nuevo Estilo is located 50 meters from it.
If the cab driver doesn't know Nuevo Estilo, he should know Selquet, a big bar located right in the corner of La Pampa and Figueroa Alcorta.
Hope this helps,
Andres
Enricos,
I'm embarrased to say that I never tried to bring in a female guest, only male business associates for meetings during the day. I did all my "business" with the chicas in albergues transitorios or in the case of Estilo Nuevo Boliche, right there in their own rooms. But I do remember one night on my way to Estilo Nuevo Boliche the night security guard told me he'd let me bring in chicas, so I don't think it will be a problem. If you like golf this is a good place since there's a golf course right across the street. By the way, this is not an upscale hotel like Etoile or Art Suites but perfectly comfortable and more of a homey place with very nice folks running the place and it's off the beaten path as I said and Belgrano is a relatively quiet neighborhood. Good luck, DownBA
DownBA,
Thanks for the Estilo Nuevo Boliche tip. Need more off-the-beaten-path info. How would you compare the chicas there with those in Black and the websites, quality wise?
CLSCentre,
I've never been to Blacks but I've been to Sadoma, Playwoman and Solid Gold and I'd say that the girls at Estilo Nuevo Boliche aren't nearly as upper crust as the other girls and they're much more the "girl next door" type but I think you'd have a great time there and if you speak a little Spanish you'll have an even better time. These girls are ridiculously friendly and I'd say you'd probably find at least a few that did the trick for you, but hey, when I was there last October the price was $150 pesos for an hour and that was before the big devaluation. If their prices are still the same with the exchange rate now trust me brother, you'll get a good bang for your buck. The two times I was with the same girl (Sylvana), she was very sweet and clean, we showered together both times and I personally made sure all the right places were clean. She was very affectionate and got me off twice in the hour both times so that ought to give you an idea of how good her technique was and in between we cuddled, caressed and chatted in Spanish. In fact, I really felt like I was doing it with a girlfriend with this pretty 21 year old. I'd say at this place you'd find slender girls, curvy girls, zoftig girls, girls with small breasts, big breasts, natural breasts, enhanced breast, a little for everyone's liking.
As for other off the beaten trail places like Estilo Nuevo, I'm of the opinion that there are places like that in every section of town though I don't know of any others personally. However, if you ask the night security guard in your hotel he'll probably be able to recommend you his favorite off the beaten trail place too.
One last thing regarding off the beaten path info, remember that late at night if you stoll along the major avenidas and look in the windows of every legitimate cafe or confiteria that you'll see dozens if not hundreds of young ladies sitting alone looking out the window at you and yes, you guessed it.....these girls are all available for hire and probably at very reasonable prices.
Happy hunting, DownBA
Hello all my old friends---
Life has thrown me a wicked curve ball. My company reorganized and I no longer hande South America. I now oversee Central Europe--mainly Moscow, Prague, and Budapest. But also have business in Paris.
I realize that this post is a little off topic--but I wanted to tell you about my recent travels in Moscow, Paris, Prague and Budapest--as a way for my Buenos Aires Buddies to compare the scenes.
MOSCOW--hated it! While it may be true that there is a thriving hobby scene in Moscow--the girls, the bars, the agencies are all basically con artists who try to get the maximum amount of cash out of you for the least amount of service. Yes, there are some very hot young pros to be had--I went to a private apartment brothel and had an hour session with a blonde girl that was 18 and half (showed me her ID). I had my way with the girl--two shots, the second anally; The price came out to around $86 US dollars. BUT this beautiful young girl was cold. Spoke no English. The apartment was a fucking dump. And the taxi ride from Red Square took at least 30 minutes.....Regarding the hobby bar/night club scene (compared to my beloved Buneos Aires), it is so bad as to not even describe--yes there are some stunners to be had, but they ask for $300 hundred and then settle for around 180 dollars for an hour (never TLN) But you can just see how cold these bar girls are!!! DO NOT WASTE YOUR TIME VISTING MOSCOW FOR THE HOBBY.
PRAGUE---another vastly overrated experience. I went to the infamous K5 (a hobby night club that has a reputaton of being the best place in Prague--sort of like Blacks reputation) Quick report: half the size of Blacks but they have on premise rooms; but the place is NO WHERE NEAR as classy as blacks....prices approx $70 dollars for half an hour and over $150 dollars per hour for an hour (which makes no sense since it gets more expensive for an hour!) There were about 15 girls in the club--none of them over the rating of 6....and worst of all they were fake bitches--all they really just want to get you to the room, and get back out on the floor. The K5 vibe made ol' LA Larry sick and I split without sampling the fare.....HOWEVER--if you must go to Prague--the best value is SEXPARK--a short, very safe metro ride from the center of the city. SEXPARK is a warehourse set up like the Red Light District of Amsterdam. There are about 20 hotties ranging from 5-7s (and some had some incredible bodies) Each girl has a little room with a bed and shower and she stands by her door and you can walk around and pick the one you want. The price is a very reasonable 1000 Krowns ($29 dollars) for a 30 minutes. I highly recommend this place for the best girls and best value of Prague. I must've fucked 15 girls there in 10 days.....But its just a quickie spot, none of the gals really speak any English....Just the sam--I wish there was a sex park in Los Anglese.....Anyhow lemme add one last warning. Stay away from every Hobby clubs off Wenceslas Square--they suck so fucking bad that they still infuriate me. The Whoremongers Association should go in there and shut everyone of those clubs down. AND lastly--the cab drivers in Prague are out and out thieves. They are dishonest, dangerous scumbags. I basically almost came to blows virtually every night out hobbying. Take the metros.
BUDAPEST--awful, awful scene: see above and you get the picture. I actually was so despondent over the terrible hobby club scene in Pest that I actually toyed with the idea of picking up a Bulgarian gypsy street walker before I came to my senses. (The Vaci Uztca is SW central--almost all gypsies.
PARIS--here is a very funny story. Yours truly was walking down the Rue St--Denis and entered a peep show palace that said they had onsite massage girls. So I go in and an African shows me a picture of a fucking stunning girl. Basically the picture was of a brunette, a parsian version of Pamela Anderson. He tells me "30 euro, compleat" So I said what the fuck! He takes me back to this little room and lo and behold--the girl from the picture is actually standing before me. I was shocked. The girl was a stunning, perfect 10. She tells me to strip, which I do immediately. She then asks me what I want. I say everything. And she says "800 euros" (!!!) I couldnt believe my ears. I told her she was insane. And the mean ***** said "well then masturbate yourself." I got dressed and stormed out of the joint and conituned on up the Rue St Denis and picked up the first Street Walker I could find. A 45 year old train wreck with sexy lips. I figured, I'll let her suck me off. I ask her how much and she says "50 euros" Fine, lets go. She leads me to her garret atop a condemmed pre--Haussmann building--on the verge of collapse. Inside her little hovel, I strip down. And she affixes a condom to my johnthomas. She sucks me for all of 10 seconds and then pulls her skirt over her head and tells me to finish by fucking her. I take one look at her hairy twat, the width of the Panama canal and I almost shriek! Instead, I ask her to finish me off with her hand. This she grudgingly agrees to--but does such a (purposely) half assed job, that my johnthomas goes soft. Then she pretends like she cant speqk English. IF POSSIBLE, PARIS IS THE WORST OF THE WORST FOR THE HOBBY. Yes, I know, I was a fool and an amatuer. But this kind of expereince is virtually impossible in Argentina.
To conclude---Buenos Aires is spectacular because the girls you meet by and large are enthusiastic about their vocation. They spend quality time with you without watching the clock. The prices in BA are incredibly low. The bars are stocked with beautiful girls--something for everyone. The streets are safe. The cab drivers are honest. The restaraunts are great and the hotels are hobby friendly. What more could you ever want?
I wrote this post just in case any South American hobbiers were thinking of fishing in a new pond. My advice is to fish BA until it the supply is exhausted. EUROPE IS THE PITS COMPARED TO BA!!!!
JuanTalachero
07-15-02, 16:49
Originally posted by LA Larry
Hello all my old friends---
I wrote this post just in case any South American hobbiers were thinking of fishing in a new pond. My advice is to fish BA until it the supply is exhausted. EUROPE IS THE PITS COMPARED TO BA!!!!
LA Larry,
I haven't been to BA but have travelled in Europe and am now in San Diego so you know I am currently doing the TJ scene. Guys, for some reason, don't believe it when I say the girls in TJ are, on average, a lot better than most of the European chicks I done. Compared to Latinas, they are cold fishes but hey, once in a while, you'll get a gem but I don't have a lot of time or money to waste on low average bets.
I'm with you man... BA is next on my itinerary.
JT
LA Larry,
Sorry you had a bad time in Europe and particularly that you got transferred out of the South American territory, that's a real bummer. I've been to BA several times and really can't envision getting enough of the place and the chicas especially, but please, for the sake of really being realistic for the folks that haven't been there, take off your rose colored glasses for a little while and stop telling people that the cabbies are honest and that the place is carte blance "safe." Fact of the matter is, if you read the on-line papers as I do, the latest thing in BA is called "Sequestros Expres" or "Express Kidnappings." This is happening rampantly down there at the moment where people are being kidnapped for a 1000 peso ransom, something most people can afford to have their loved ones back. There was just a story yesterday in Clarin.com about one where the ransom was paid and the kidnappers still murdered the victim with a bullet. This is happening because those people are economically desperate at the moment.
About the cabbies and again maybe I'm privy to some things other Americans aren't since I speak pretty good Spanish, but I had a primer on BA cab safety from none other than one of the honest cabbies himself. He told me to NEVER us a 100 peso note because the cabbies routinely give you change in counterfeit 20 peso notes and to ALWAYS sit in the front besides the cabbie since it's much harder for the cabbie to conceal a weapon if you're right besides him. Lastly, never forget that some of the cabbies are holding the passengers up, picking up accomplices and you to various atm's around town to withdraw the maximum amount of money at each machine. BA safe?
Last time I was there I had an appointment in a certain neighborhood at a large company in broad daylight and my contact warned me not to attempt to walk to this call under any circumstances that I'd be either robbed or harmed in some way without a doubt. I thanked him for that bit of info and took a cab directly to the front door.
So is BA safe? At this moment I'd have to advise anybody that they should enjoy themselves to their fullest but not to forget for a second that this year they're having their record year of policeman being murdered and that it's a major city with phenomenal women and huge prospects for being konked over the head with brass knuckles for the few hundred dollars that you might have in your pocket since these people are on the balls of their ass....no work, no money and no prospects for change in the forseeable future. So yes, Larry, I LOVE this place from the bottom of my heart but please try not to make the people believe that this city is "safe." DownBA
Hey DownBA--
Thanks for setting me straight. My post about BA being safe (and the drivers being honest) was irresponsible. Sorry if I got carried away and mislead anyone.
I wasnt trying to steer anyone wrong. I was basing my post on my own personal experiences in Buenos Aires--which were absurdly safe BUT perhaps mine was an exception to the rule.
(Also--I am a pretty big guy so perhaps I am not the ideal target for most muggers who are looking for an easy mark; I also speak a tiny bit of Spanish and would immediately engage every cab driver in conversation, partially to feel the guy out to gauge where his head was at, and partially to send the driver a message that I was the wrong guy to fuck with).
Anyway--not to beat a dead horse--but compared to the out and out banditos of Central Europe--I still would trust Argentino cabbies 1000 times more than Hungarian, Czech or Russian cabbies.
Anyone thinking about shooting down to BA should take heed of DownBA's prudent words and read the latest reports coming out of Argentina. It very well might have changed drastically since my last trip in March. God knows the people are suffering. Anything is possible given the circumstances.
I still fully intend on going there this Nov or Dec for some R&R, but depending on the situation, I might consider restricting my BA adventures to the Recoleta area if things continue to devolve.
Going to Mar Del Plata doesn't really scare me. I will be staying at the Sheraton. It is a legitimate 5 star hotel. There is a very decent golf course across the street. The beach is a few hundred yards away. AND a fantastic hobby club called Malajocos (?) is a half a block away. And the Sheraton is girl friendly. I will be bringing a different 22 year old superstar up to my suite every night--for $100 or $150 pesos.
OttoGraham
07-15-02, 19:00
I am sorry to disagree with you DownBA, but I think your post about how dangerous Buenos Aires is is not accurate.
I spent 10 days there this month. I am going to be back for 10 more days in the next couple of weeks.
I was in most every part of the city, at different times of the day and night. I never once felt the least bit unsafe.
Will I wander about on the sidewalks, waving Benjamins and blabbering in English? Of course not. If you are foolish enough to wander into Watts or the South Bronx, wearing an Armani suit, you will make yourself a mark. Even in better areas, if you make yourself a mark you will be robbed in Georgetown or Greenwich Village. If you are accosted, just give them what they want and they will go away. You will be out 300 pesos or so, who cares? It's just Monopoly money.
I felt far safer in BsAs than I ever do in LA, NYC, or Chicago, and believe me I saw a lot more cops walking a beat in BsAs then I ever have in an American city.
Uncle Otto's Bottom Line is that you have to use common sense. Bring only a small amount of money out on the town with you, and no credit cards. With taxi fares so low, it is crazy to try to give a cab driver a 100 peso note, break those in the restaurants when you have dinner, or better yet, tell the people in the cambio/exchange place to give you 20 peso notes, as there is very little in town that an average visitor will be buying for 100 pesos except in expensive stores.
A local gave me the suggestion only to hail Radio Taxis or to telephone for them, take this advice as you see fit - I have always hailed cabs without incident.
Tio Otto de Buenos Aires
OttoGraham
07-15-02, 19:10
LA Larry -
Sorry to read you had some bad experiences in Europe. However, remember this: KNOWLEDGE IS POWER. Would any of us know where to go for a good time in Buenos Aires if we hadn't been given the information by our helpful friends who had blazed a trail before us?
I say this because I met several Americans in Buenos Aires who used this information source but have offered NOTHING describing their experiences in BsAs. Even if you think somebody else has gone over the information before, you should POST your experiences, not everybody will go back in the threads and read what has been posted before.
I have some suggestions for you for Eastern Europe, where I have traveled many times, and have had lots and lots of fun. Budapest, in fact, is one of my favorite cities in the world, one which reminds me in some ways of our beloved Buenos Aires. Why not drop me a line and I can give you some suggestions?
And Larry - if you had a bad time in Moscow, Prague, Budapest, and Paris, why didn't you post it in the threads for those cities??????????? It's not bloody likely that somebody who is thinking about a trip to Budapest will read your cautionary tale here in the Buenos Aires thread!!!!!!!
Tio Otto de Buenos Aires
OttoGraham@hotmail.com
otto,
are you talking about ME?
starfe
JamesBond69
07-15-02, 20:06
>Uncle Otto Says:
>I say this because I met several Americans in Buenos Aires who used this >information source but have offered NOTHING describing their experiences in >BsAs.
Ah but dear Tio Otto,
You have been a bit reticent about the "homestretch" in your most amazing report. Do tell us MORE!!!! I'm planning a trip down in December and need a bit more info regarding places and prices and what to expect...
PS
And I plan on posting a veritable hobby guide when I am down there.
Hi, Folks!
I arrived in BA yesterday and resumed my mongering habits.
Before start, take into account that:
- I'm a native "porteño", so language is not an issue for me.
- I do the hobby sparingly. Rarely do I see more than one girl each day.
- This trip will provide me with a lot of non-pro action.
The good news is that I will pursue the off-the-beaten-path places. At least, I hope to have enough time to do so...
To start, I went yesterday to Affaire (Pueyrredon Av. between Paraguay St. and Mansilla st.). The place has a red neon light in the front door, you can't miss it. Since I had a heavy schedule for Monday, I hit the place at 11PM.
Something changed from my previous visit in December: same decoration, same prices (p10 for admission w/drink included, p70 for 30 minutes and p140 for an hour), same rooms (they have rooms available next door, in a sketchy building) but different girls. Quality decreased. I found out later that many of the foreign girls (mainly Paraguayans and Brazilians) didn't return after the holidays because it was unconvenient for them to do business in BA. Certainly, before the devaluation they could send montly a couple of hundred Dollars to their homes. Now, they can send only a quarter of that. Too bad, since these places were once crowded with very nice and simple foreign girls who really took their duties seriously.
Being a Sunday night and before midnight, I spotted very few girls, totaling 6. Some 4s, and perhaps two 5-6s. I chose Carolina, a girl from the Salta province with average legs, average tits and not nearly an hourglass figure, but suggestive lips and great attitude.
As many girls do in Affaire, she approached me, sitted over my lap and started curling me in my tighs and in between, kissing and licking my neck while proposing me to do anything I liked. We chatted for a while (I found out that many off-the-beaten-track places in the provinceside were closed due to problems with the Bonaerense Police) and then headed to the rooms.
As I said before, the rooms are somewhat sketchy. Although clean, these rooms are not like those in an Alberge Transitorio, with so many toys and light fixures. But for a session, that was enough.
She provided what she promised: Good BBBJ (she tried hard, but not her best skill), FS in every position and greek. After that, some massage. The half hour went fast but smooth.
I expect to return during a Thursday, to see if there are more and better girls. Who knows...
My advice: Don't go there if you can spend $100 with a Recoleta girls. You will have a better time.
Respect to safety, things got worse and you shoud be careful. In fact, some homeless teenagers nastly hassled me yesterday when returning home, popping out of the woodward when walking in Santa Fe Av. (Affaire is close to where I stop by, so I walked all the way home). They were 7 or more, and I escaped by hurrying my pace. Last year, nobody would have bothered me like that. However, BA is not Rio or Sao Paulo in security nightmares...yet.
Hope this helps,
Andres
First of all, Larry good to hear you're ok. I was wondering about you. Sorry you have had your locations switched. That really is a shame. I hope we can still hook up in BA or Mar Del Plata in December.
I've been a part of public and private boards for years and you'll always have guys that share and guys that don't. No use complaining about it. (I couldn't believe it when I read below of a guy complaning about "more" info). In a perfect society everything would be simple. We don't live in a perfect society. I know since I posted about 10-12 guys have personally emailed me saying they went down and had a great time. Some posted but most didn't post anything and it doesn't bother me in the least.
I still get emails from a few dudes every week asking for more info than what I posted. All I can say is I take the time to answer almost all of them but PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE before you email me or one of my amigos for information.... go back and read the information we posted. Almost all of it is still right on target and accurate. How anyone can say they don't know what to expect in BA based on these posts is beyond me.
The other thing that I think everyone needs to take into account is the YMMV (you're milage may vary) factor. I personally believe any guy no matter what his age, ethnic background or religion is could score a fabulous time in Buenos Aires. However, some guys will have better luck and have more fun. That is the same no matter where in the world you go. As far as L.A. Larry's and Otto's safety commment. I totally 100% concur with them. I do think DownBA makes a good point but I think news sensationalizes events all the time. Take everything you read from this or any other source with a grain of salt. Remember that common sense always prevails.
Also, when it comes to crime I think that we've all been lucky down in B.A. so far. I still have yet to email, talk or correspond with even one American that has experienced crime in B.A. That to me says a lot. Personally, I think I will always feel safe in the Recoleta area. To me it was paradise. I don't have a need for the "thrill of the hunt" so to speak so everything I needed was in Recoleta. Between the clubs at night, the chicas phone numbers from the clubs, and the internet girls from websites like (www.area-vip.com.ar and www.platynum.com.ar) you could go a while down there with a beauty every day and every night.
Good luck amigos.
Hi !
I need to know one thing. I'm two times this year in BA. October and for New Year. Is it possible to take a girl to "Punta del Este" in Uruguay ? Does anyone know prices for lets say about 4-5 days escort to this place or exists anyone who has experiences there ? this would be very helpful for me to plan my trip better.
I have to recomand a COOL design hotel in BA: www.designsuites.com ! They charge for their junior suites which are looking fantastic right now 70usd + tax !!!!!!
Thanks for your postings or you can contact me directly.
Greetings
Olli
DownBA,
Sounds like Estilo Nuevo Boliche is in the same league as yabba's J&B. The chicas described in these local bars seemed to offer more GFE potential. Thanks.
To OliverM: hey there, you said you would go to BA in December .... what date ??? I am going to BA in December too, arriving on Sat. 26th and leaving on Sat 02nd of November and I'll be staying at the Design Suites Apart for those 7 nights.
And you are right, it looks really cheap compared with what on offer ... I got a quote for 65 USD + taxes (21% VAT).
To everybody else: anybody planning BA in late October, as far as I know it's perfect timing, start of the warm season but not too hot, plenty of chicas around .... any tips where to meet semi-pros or non-pros up to a good night ????
Thank you in advance, rob_roy
Sorry OliverM, I meant October, not December.
I'll be arriving on Sat. 26th of October and leaving after a week, on Sat. 02nd of November ....
[QUOTE]Originally posted by rob_roy5
[i]To OliverM: hey there, you said you would go to BA in December .... what date ??? I am going to BA in December too, arriving on Sat. 26th and leaving on Sat 02nd of November and
1) SAINT: hey Saint, nice to hear from you too. You are the voice of reason on this board and it looks very promising for my voyage to Argentina in December. Lets talk more about the dates when the in the early fall. Would love to show you around Mar Del Plata. (It will be beatifull down there then). Remember the two best hotels in MDP are the Sheraton and Manantiales www.manantiales.com.ar YOU CANT GO WRONG AT EITHER.
2) OLIVER M---Punta del Este in Uruguay is a bad scene in my opinion--although if the truth be known I really don't dig Uruguay at all except for Colonia. The reason why Punta del Este sucks, IMHO, is that its sort of like a Saint Tropez scene with all the attendent attitude and high prices. All the rich and famous South America flock there and bring with them their noveau riche sensibilities. I stay there three days at a work associates hacienda. The streets and clubs are mobbed with youg beautiful girls. I was unable to investigate the hobby scene but there must be one; and regarding your idea of bringing a girl from BA down there. I suppose such a thing is possible. I only question your choice of a destination because of the high prices. Even if money wasnt an a consideration, I would prefer to bring a BA girl to Colonia which is closer, cheap, and romantic. PUNTA DEL ESTE in high season sort of feels like spring break in Cancun, only instead of raging frat boys and girls, you have raging would be models and their trust fund boyfreinds in speedo bathing suits.
3) OTTO--the reason I didnt bother to post my expereinces on those particular city threads is partially out of laziness and partially because my overall feeling was so negative about those cities that I didnt want to start a flame war. As far as I am concerned, there is only really only one place to hobby and that is South America and the Dominican Republic. You mentioned that you enjoyed Budapest, and I dont doubt you. However, the overall vibe given off by everyone--the cabbies, the rip-off strip clubs, the rude hotel staff--Budapest really bothered me ESPECIALLY after my SAINT LIKE experiences in Buenos Aires where virtually every aspect of my adventures was great. I guess what it comes down to is that a typical night in Argentina goes like this for me:
1) a $1.50 taxi to a restaurant in Recoleta
2) a great meal for $8 in a restaurant where I watch a parade of beauties stroll by.
3) Hit a great club Playwoman, Blacks (even the bad joints are fun NewPorts, CuttySark, etc)
4) choose from a selection of some 30 girls all around 7 or 8 rating, all around 22 years old, all better looking than any girl I had in my college days. cost for 2 hours approx 200 pesos
5) back to my 70 peso hotel in the center of the city.
On the other hand, the typical night in Budapest goes like this:
1) cant hail a cab because they are all so fucking dishonest;
2) bad food at western prices OR bad food at hungarian prices
3) the strip clubs are a complete joke run by brazen gangsters--the girls attitudes are terrible.They come across like they are enslaved by there employers
4) back to my hotel room ($260) and too tired to jerk off.
You get the picutre.
You tell em Larry. That was my experience there as well. It will be a long time before I go back. Thanks for all your input to the board. Your postings are first rate.
Larry,
Nicely done. I appreciate hearing about the bad as well as the good, and get a sense of context and comparison. You are also right that some posters are single destination centric, and will challenge any difference in opinion.
Larry. If you don't mind, what is the name of the 70 peso hotel?
the name of the 70 peso hotel is called the HOTEL CASTELLAR a wonderful old classic of a place on the Avenida de Mayo. Girl friendly, small very clean rooms, CNN, and a great internet cafe next door. Literally a 5 minute cab ride to Recoleta. HIghly recomend it to those on a budget. GREAT STAFF
Thanks you LA Larry and rob_roy5.
Just to complete my descripiton. I want to have this fun like ant the french cote azur and really like to have these kind of stuff in Punta del Este. I already rent a nice hacienda in La Barra. These things are really cheap compared to the last seasons - relative. Money is not my problem - I just want to know if anyboday already took girls from BA to a destination like a escort service.
rob_roy5 - I'm down there from 25st sept until 8th oct. and then the second time with the punta trip from 24th dec until 15th jan.
But I think this will not match your plans ! right ?
If anyboday knows what the rates are for several days this would be helpful as well.
thanks again guys for your response.
Olli
@ Larry
You are absolutely right about Budapest. I have yet to meet a hunter that has had a good experience there.
Prague can be OK, although there is a big Tourist Trap Compnent there too.
My Advice for the area you are in is head to the country from which Argentina allowed 10,000 Nazis to emigrate from in 1945-1946...Germany.
In Germany the business is for locals, not tourists. It is well run and fair, especially the FKK scene. Overnights cannot be payed, but 1/2 hour and hour sessions are pretty damn good. Read about it in the board, it is the best I have had until now, although I am trying to see how I can head to BA soon. My Best Eastern European experience until now has been Tallin Estonia, worst experience was Budapest, Hands Down.
OttoGraham
07-17-02, 00:40
My friends with bad Hungarian experiences:
Gosh, what a bunch of frowny-faces you all are! Is Budapest the heaven for skirt-chasing that Buenos Aires is? No! But neither was BsAs the heaven it is now, just one short year ago. It is also a completely different market. Clubs and SWs are a no-no, the way to go is with internet girls and with a good agency or two.
The absolute best restaurant in the world, hands down, is Gundel in Budapest. I have been there several times, once even flew to Hungary for a long weekend just so I could have dinner there twice. I got to know the maitre d', which always helps to ensure good service.
There are some really excellent eateries in Hungary IMHO, but you know, perhaps the style of Hungarian food doesn't lend itself as well to the lighter tastes that some Americans have. The other thing I adore about the country is the wine, which is excellent and reasonably priced. Any trip to Budapest has to include a trip to the House of Hungarian Wines (Magyar Borok Haza), which is a wine cellar on top of Castle Hill, right across the street from St. Mattias Church. For about 8 bucks you can try 30-40 different kinds of wines (and buy 300-400 more), they will also do a tour for you. Mucho fun with a date, let me tell you.... ;-)
Lots of other things to do there, as for women, though, perhaps I don't want to brag too much, but I have had little trouble meeting interesting local companions. On the other hand, I have also had a few visits with girls from the ex-Soviet countries, for whom Budapest is on a par with any W. European city.
Sorry you fellows have not had the good experiences there that I have.
Yo napot!
-Uncle Otto
Hi, again!
Yesterday, it was a long day, full of surprises.
It started at 6PM, when I scheduled a massage session with Mara (see Platynum). I arrived at the place (near Cordoba Av. and Esmeralda St.) and the assistant told me that a previous customer extended the session with her. That's the main problem with private apartments: Sometimes, they can't provide what they promise even if you book in advance. The assistant introduced me to the other girls (the ones in the Platynum site with the same phone number). They were very close to what photos promise.
In order to wait for Mara, I decided to walk around the neighborhood for half an hour. First, I went to Cafe Orleans, just looking through the curtains' gaps. No more than 7 girls, only 1 or 2 really cute. Then, I headed to Reconquista and Paraguay, where Cutty Sark and the others are. I found out that the pub Insomnio was out of business and that a "new" pub called "Ladies" was open (in fact, this place was previously called Bridge). Finally, I went to Exedra and saw from the outside just 3-4 girls.
Back to the massage place, Mara was still occupied. No problem: many places to go, but since I had an appointment by 8PM, just had time to do something quick. I decided to see a new place called "Gypsy Pub", located inside a commercial ally in Cordoba Av. between Florida and Maipu. Some promoters of this pub were handing cards in the corner of Cordoba and Florida, inviting customers to join. STAY AWAY! This is a rip-off place! I entered and was invited to seat in a couch. All of a sudden, 2 girls who presented themselves as managers started talking, while the waitress provided them with drinks (drinks that they didn't ordered neither have asked my permission for). 10 minutes later, the waitress asked p75, p25 for each drink. I paid and left immediatelly.
You may think that p75 ($20) are not a big deal, and I agree. But what worries and annoys me is that they start behaving like barracudas, inflating the bar tab artificially to strip money from customers providing no service at all.
I had to figure out that many pubs in downtown are rip-off holes. since near Lavalle and Esmeralda are most of these rip-off joints. Well...that's the risk of the adventurer.
After that, I went to the Tucuman and Florida place. Only 3 girls, none of them above 4, so I told the assistant that I wouldn'take the service. She told me "Rules have changed", and asked me p15 for the presentation of the girls. Damn! Anyway, if you go there check it out. Perhaps, the owners don't' like local guys who want to be "smart" and see the girls without paying, but they forgive foreigners.
Not having enough time before my date, I had to wait until 2AM. After the non-pro action ended, I went to the Paraguay and Suipacha bar strip: Catto's, Hook, Ness. Catto's had 15-20 girls, most of them 6-7s. Noting special, and prices the same as December: p10 for your drink, p20 for the girls' drinks and p100 for a 2 hour session (add p10 for the cab and p20-30 for the hotel-albergue transitorio). A girl told me that most massage places in Flores quarter (the former "Capital of sex" in Buenos Aires) were being busted by the Federal Police (I will go there next week, anyway). Since none of the girls were particularly beautiful (by then, I had had some non-pro action ,so I was pretty tired and only a stunner could have revived me), I moved to Hook.
Hook had a slightly better quality, with similar prices (p12 and p18 for Hook, instead of p10 and p20 for Catto's). I saw a really stunning Paraguayan girl called Julieta (I give her a 9). Natural big boobs, nice body, slim waist and thick lips. She was also very charming, with great attitude and that special Paraguayan accent that pops me up. I was almost to take he out when I remembered that I saw many people coming in and out of Ness, so I decided to go there and see what was up.
Ness had only 12-15 girls, some former Catto's girls (I spotted 3 with whom I had sessions 3 years ago). Good quality (7s and 8s, perhaps a 9), but somewhat lame in the ambience and decoration. Anyway, no girl that catered to me. Since by then it was 3:30AM and was very tired, I thought that going to a hotel with Julieta was a mess; better to do a quickie in Affaire (Pueyrredon and Paraguay).
Affaire was packed with 16 girls, many more than in Sundays. Most were 6s and 7s, but a couple were 8s. I spotted a girl called Claudia, from the Misiones province. Gees! Cinnamon colored skin, thick lips, nice C cups boobs, great legs and well rounded butts. It was near 5AM when, as the place was closing, I asked for a 30 minute service of only p70. She provide a great BBBJ, while kising and caressing very well (close to a GFE). Too tired for massage and/or FS.
By 5:30AM, I was walking home. Hope to save some energy for the non-pro action tonight...
Hope this helps.
Andres
JamesBond69
07-19-02, 22:53
[QUOTE]Originally posted by OttoGraham
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>Hey Andres! I had a fun time in Affaire myself a couple weeks ago. >Definitely not upscale, but lots of fun, no? Great report - keep them coming!
Ditto. Really interesting. Keep them coming. I'm heading down there in a few months, so your info is really great.
I will be posting info as well soon when I'm there, to further through light on the hobby.
Muchisimo Gracias
Andres, Gracias por tu resumen...tenés ganas de visitar a Estilo Nuevo Boliche? Espero que si porque me gustaría leer tu resumen de este lugar, para mi fue muy divertido. Avisáme si te gusta las chicas allí. Gracias, DownBA (please excuse my Spanish everyone, but they say about foreign languages "use it or lose it" so I'm practicing.)
PS Andres, is this Julieta girl, the Paraguayan the same chica name Julieta on Platynum.com? If it is I'm in love with this girl and have to meet her my next trip to la Capital! Un abrazo Andres, DownBA
DownBA:
Tu castellano no es nada malo, ciertamente...
I'll try to visit Estilo Nuevo Boliche, but it depends on how much I dare to go out with the car. I expect to visit Flores first (where there are no less than 6 places that cater to locals, at least one of which is top-class).
Hook's Julieta is pretty similar to that of Platynum, but the latter has not-as-remarkable boobs. They may be different girls. Since these girls change names frequently, you never know.
Un abrazo,
Andres
DownBA,
Thanks for the Spanish lessons; it makes things run more smoothly to speak reasonably well. I am going to be in BA Sept. 6-12, and had a couple of other questions for anyone on the forum:
In Otto's posts, there was reference to a French St. brothel. I seem to have seen the street # somewhere on the discussion board , but can't locate it.
Anybody know the #?
Also, I am booked at ArtSuites. Anyone know their attitude toward short-stay guests?
Roberto
Roberto:
Artsuites is OK with guests.
Roberto,
No hay problema amigo, de vez en cuando escribo castellano asi que practicen ustedes para disfrutar sus viajes a BA! Yes, Roberto, I believe speaking Spanish definitely enhances your trip to BA since let's face it, many of these chicas that we meet speak minimal English and being able to chat in Spanish beyond "How much?" and "The weather is nice today" really helps you ingratiate yourself with these extremely "calida" chicas.
Enrique, por favor, dame cuenta de estos lugares, en Flores, nombres y direcciónes, así que pueda visitarlos durante mi proxima viaje a la Capital Federal. Calculás que estos lugares quedan bastante seguros para estadounidenses? Te pregunto esto porque acuerdo unos lugares a que las habitantes me avisaron que no viniera caminando aunque fue durante el pleno día.Me dijeron que si viniera caminando que algo malo me sucederia. Que avisás? DownBA
Please gentlemen, this is an English only site.
Thank You,
Jackson
andres....,
I had the EXACT same experience in "Gypsy Pub". A complete rip-off. Guys, learn from our misfortune...stay away. I was two seconds away from becoming the REALLY ugly American. I don't mind spending money (in exchange for value), but do NOT try to rip me off. As a New Yorker, I welcome the opportunity to "light beam" your ass out of our realm of existence....
JamesBond69
07-22-02, 02:34
Please gentlemen, this is an English only site.
Agree. I know Spanish also and it's great to know it for the hobby in BA but it takes me a bit longer to understand the posts in Spanish, so please post in English, as I need as much info as possible and with the least difficulty to get the max info for my trip in BA.
Hi!
Saturday, I revisited the Flores quarter.
I entered the mongering status by 4 AM. Got into the car, filled the tank in a gas station and started studying the SW action.
First, I went to Constitucion. I spotted some ugly Dominicans in Santiago del Estero St. between Constitucion St. and Pavon St., and many TVs in San Jose St. and Constitucion St. Didn't ask them any price. Then, I saw a new pub in Caravelas Ct. and Salta St., called Calypso. Since I didn't dare to park in the dark streets there, I didn't get in. While cruising, I recognized an old pub in Garay Av and Santiago del Estero. Needless to say, these places seemed really scale-down, slumps, genuine holes where to get serviced the sausage.
After that, I drove all the way to Flores. There, I reviewed the SW scene: Some TVs and only a few women in Bacacay St. and in Bogota St. Since it was nearly 4:30 AM, chances are that girls had already gone home. While cruising, I noticed that none of the classic MPs were closed: La Fuente (La Fuente St. and Rivadavia Av.), Envidia (Rivadavia Av. and the 1st parallel street to Nazca Av.), Dolys and Liza (both on San Pedrito Av. and Directorio Av.) were at full speed.
Since it was pretty late, I decided to try la Fuente, which usually doesn't betray me. To my dismay, it was packed with nasty teenagers (July 20th is the Friend's Day here), touching every butt they could reach with their hands (yes, even mine). I stayed for 30 minutes, never leaving my hands from my pockets (it is easy to pickpocketing in this scenario). There were 12-13 girls, none of them over 5. It used to be at least 1 or 2 7s or 8s, but not that day. Prices: p35 for 20 minutes, p50 for 30 minuted and p90 for 1 hour, p10 admission and p10 the hotel in the same block. Didn't like the scene, so I moved to Dolys.
Dolys was also packed up to the roof with pests (teenagers who go to drink and touch but not to do business), but there were about 30 girls. Most of them 4s or less, but a few gems outstood. One of them was Tamara, a petite latina (5'3") that elicited my deepest mongering instincts (a blonde-dyed brunette with nice butts and meaty lips, who could barely walk in her spiked high heels platform shoes). She was really busy, so I had to wait for about 1 hour. Prices: Same as La Fuente, but they have rooms next door, so no hotel fee.
By the way, it is extremelly unlikely that anybody speak English there. However, it is also unlikely that you would get robbed inside.
The roms were pretty clean and simple, very small but enough for a quick session. Somewhat sketchy for those accustomed to nice hotel rooms, but when you are horny even the Secretary of State office seems comfortable. She started providing an awesome BBBJ and then we did FS. She put the extra mile, really charming. Noteworthy, since she was really busy and didn't have to satisfy me.
Hope to visit the JB Justo area pubs soon:
- Artigas (JB Justo Av. and Artigas St.), a supposed high-scale one.
- The one in the corner of JB Justo Av. and Artigas St.
- Scorpion (JB Justo Av. and the 2nd street before nazca Av.)
- Maraha (JB Justo Av. and the 1st street before Artigas)
Respect to J&B (The French St. pub), it is located 20 yards from the corner of French St. and Uriburu St.
Andres
High on Hobbyin
07-22-02, 07:27
LA Larry
RE: Mar del Plata
After reading about all the great tales of hobbyin' in Argentina, I'm lusting for a trip. I'm thinking late November/ early December or late January/early February for my first visit. Any preferences between the two periods weather wise or holiday/festival wise? November/December being their summer how warm would it be? Likewise in their fall (January/February)? Would a side trip from BA to Mar del Plata be a bit too adventurous for a neophyte to Argentina- and one who speaks a little spanish and not too fluently.
How safe is the 5 hour train ride? By that I mean it's route (considering current economic times) as well as the safety of one's self and luggage. Are the trains similar to Euro trains where you're luggage is overhead and you don't dare fall asleep or it may not be there later? Approximately what would one expect to pay for a round trip train ride compared to a flight? I haven't read about anyone having a recommended travel agent in BA? Would one's hotel typically be helpful here?
Where is the Hotel Manantiales in relation to the Sheraton and what star rating would you give it? Any ideas on the rates? 700 Internet cafes? How large is MDP? And by European and sophisticated should one take it to mean that people in MDP tend to dress rather fashionable. And how does this compare to Buenos Aires? I don't wish to be seen as impolite or the tacky tourist.
How would you split your time between BA and MDP for either a one week or two week trip?
Also on the la Plata thread there was mention of a remis. I read this as being a car and driver for hire. How does this work? Costs, contacting, finding reputable remis'?
To all the people on this board thanks for the wonderful info, anecdotes and ideas!
Andres,
Very nice report! I have a question: are there places like Estilo Nuevo Boliche in Palermo, for example? What about Boca? Barrio Norte? I assume that if you know La Capital Federal that there are places like Estilo Nuevo almost everywhere, can you tell me if I'm right about this? Also, how far a ride is the Flores Quarter from say Belgrano? DownBA
DownBA:
Depending on what do you consider Palermo (Palermo is the biggest neighborhood of the city), there could be some places. I remember that one of these were near the corner of Julian Alvarez St. and Santa Fe Av., but maybe the place is close now.
Forget about La Boca. The place is dangerous at night, and you won't find acceptable material. Constitucion is near La Boca, so people from La Boca do their hobbying in Constitucion. I heard that many TVs and SWs stroll near the "Puente Viejo" of Pedro de Mendoza Av, near Vuelta de Rocha. However, I heard that they charge p10 for BJ, so imagine the quality what you may find there.
Barrio Norte has private apartments instead of in-house activity, with the exception of the Cordoba Av. And Pueyrredon Av. area (La Saison, Pueyrredon between Cordoba and Paraguay; and Affaire). Usually, highly populated, upper middle class districts don't harbour these places.
Traditionally, the mongering quarters were Flores, Pacifico (Plaza Italia), Once (there is a place open in Rivadavia Av. and Matheu St.), Recoleta and Constitucion. These places followed the transportation proximity pattern (that is, all of these quarters are next to or near major railway or bus stations, Retiro being the exception)
Flores shoud be between 30 and 60 minutes from Belgrano (depending on the traffic hour), no more than 7-10 km away. A cab should charge less than p10. The JB Justo Av. connects Palermo with Flores (from Santa Fe Av. to Nazca Av.) Buy a Peuser Guide in any kiosco (newspaper booths). It comes with a map and descriptions.
High on Hobbyin:
Fall starts on March. In January and February, girls migrate to MDP to do business there. Maybe, that's the best time to hit the city.
You don't have to take a train. There are plenty of buses from Retiro for a few Dollars that will bring you there in 4 hours. Buses are cleaner and safer.
MDP usd to have 500k inhabitants, but the collapse of fishing and textiles industries made 10% migrate in the last 4 years. You may compare it with other Mediterranean major beach city, so there is some European influence (you should notice it in the architecture).
Hope this helps.
Andres
Andres,
Great reporting, great info, you really sound like you're having a great time fucking around La Capital Federal, wish I could be joining you but I don't think I'll be able to make it til October or November. Keep the great reports coming. DownBA
Would somebody please give me directions on how to view pics that people have posted on WSGForum? I'd appreciate any help I can get. Thanks, DownBA
Go to the Home page.
Hi!
Short but juicy journey last night.
Mondays are usually dead for mongering activity in BA outside Recoleta, and I confirmed it by watching the SW scene in Constitucion and Flores again: Lonely streets.
I went to the JB Justo area (Flores), where I found out that Scorpions and Maraha were closed. These places had Police precints sealing the entrance doors, so I imagine that he Federal Police is closing many pubs with in-house rooms. However, Artigas (Artigas St. and JB Justo Av.) was open.
4 years ago, you would have found there Playboy material by dozens, asking $200 for 1 hour. Yesterday, I saw lame material: Girls with pig legs, rhino bellies and ape faces asking p80 for 30 minutes and p200 for 1 hour (go figure why having 2 sessions with 2 girls cost less than 1 long session...). The decoration and ambience rank among the best in Buenos Aires, but the girls department needs an upgrade. Too bad...
I left the place thinking where to go. I remembered that Salome (Billinghurst St. and Cordoba Av.) uses to host 40 girls, so I headed there. The place has a bar in the first floor and a simulated boat in the basement (the basement has a triangle shape and its walls are covered by wood. It resembles a boat). Most girls were 6s. However, I spotted Debora, my favorite provider.
I should write a book about this girl. Out of the hundreds of girls that I met in this "industry", none of them were as good as her. She is really beautiful, but not a stunner (8 or 9): 5'8", big c-cups, thick lips, nice slim waist and wide and soft butts. And what a soft and fruity skin! She is really charming, always with the best attitude and eager to please. I decided to do my 6th try since 1999 (I seldom go out with the same girl more than twice). p10 my drink, p20 her allowance to leave and p100 for a hotel session. We went to a nearby hotel (p25 the intermediate room). She provided an unlimited load of caresses and kisses (GFE is a small word for her attitude), and then showed her perfect skills in her duties: Excellent BBBJ and incredible FS (never saw a girl moving that way in bed, not even former girlfriends in horny mode!). After that, some massage and chatting. As usual, she never asks for money before, she waits for you to offer it, and no hassle to come back to the bar after the 2 hours expire. Sweet...
Hope to visit some Recoleta places next time
Andres
Dear High on Hobbin'
Here are the answers to your questions!
QUESTION: Any preferences between the two periods weather wise or holiday/festival wise? November/December being their summer how warm would it be?
ANSWER: It gets very hot and HUMID in their summer. Better off going in their fall or spring if you can. But on the other hand, if you are from a cold place in the states, maybe the hot weather of BA is just what the doctor would order for you.
QUESTION: Would a side trip from BA to Mar del Plata be a bit too adventurous for a neophyte to Argentina?
ANSWER: ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!! Mar Del Plata is a fantastic fucking place! I loved it. Its like a shaggy dog French Riviera city. But it has some fantastic night life, hotels, restaurants, beaches, etc. You will never be bored in MDP nor will you feel like you are on an adventure. MDP was extremely safe and as up to date as BA.
QUESTION: How safe is the 5 hour train ride? By that I mean it's route (considering current economic times) as well as the safety of one's self and luggage. Are the trains similar to Euro trains where you're luggage is overhead and you don't dare fall asleep or it may not be there later? Approximately what would one expect to pay for a round trip train ride compared to a flight?
ANSWER: The train to MDP sucks. Its a slow boat to fucking China and only worth taking for the experience. (It was however extremely safe and dirt cheap---something like 30 pesos for 1st Class which isnt saying much. No AC, putrid bathrooms, extremely uncomfortable seats. If you are expecting Euro trains, then you will be severely dissappointed. The trip seemed like a juorney across Siberia. I STRONGLY SUGGEST TAKING THE BUS OR FLYING. The plane ride takes 45 minutes and is extremey cheap maybe $60 US dollars round trip.
QUESTION: Where is the Hotel Manantiales in relation to the Sheraton and what star rating would you give it?
ANSWER: The Manantiales is a three minute (1.50 peso cab ride) or a ten minute walk. Check out pmy previous post for the web site for rates. I LIKE THE MANATIALES BECAUSE THEY ARE 1 BEDROOM APARTMENTS WITH MAID SERVICE. (You get a magnificient view of the ocean, a great terrace and a nice kitchen).
QUESTION: 700 Internet cafes in MDP?
ANSWER: Yes, they are all the fucking rage, on every block. You literally can't walk one block downtown without passing at least internet cafe. INCREDIBLY CHEAP AS WELL.
QUESTION: How would you split your time between BA and MDP for either a one week or two week trip?
ANSWER: Depends on one's tastes. If I had three weeks in Argentina I would spend 8 days in MDP and 13 days in BA. YOU WILL LOVE THE VIBE IN MDP, but afterall BA is a huge pool of women to chase. MDP only has a few hobby bars (the one near the Sheraton is great!)
QUESTION: Also on the la Plata thread there was mention of a remis. I read this as being a car and driver for hire. How does this work? Costs, contacting, finding reputable remis'?
ANSWER: Sorry dont know. But I assure you that you have no need of feeling anything but relaxed about going to MDP. I was shocked how much it reminded me of Nice, except that I loved it so much more!
L A Larry,
I have been a silent reader of the WSG Argentina posts for quite some time.
I really enjoy your posts.
They are come across as real and feel like a good buddy sitting next to me describing his latest adventure.
Know that there are many who read your posts with appreciation....... albiet...silently.
If the current exchange rate continues. I am very seriously considering BA for my late December.
High on Hobbyin,
There's nothing to finding a remis at all. Just ask the receptionist to find a rate to where you want to go, tell her when you want to be picked up and she'll arrange it for you. Every hotel has at least a few remis services that they use. A remis is just a fancy taxi without the meter, like what we'd call a "car service." They're really reasonable there too, but I don't think it'll pay to take one to Mar De Plata but you never know. Happy mongering in the holy shrine of the sport you lucky bastard. Can't wait to get down there again. DownBA
Originally posted by Rickster
L A Larry, I have been a silent reader of the WSG Argentina posts for quite some time.
I really enjoy your posts. Know that there are many who read your posts with appreciation....... albiet...silently.
If the current exchange rate continues. I am very seriously considering BA for my late December.
I completely agree with Rickster, I really appreciate LA LARRYs' posts, really enjoiable. Also liked The Saint's posts and comments, very helpful, ... I hope I'll have as much fun as he had, im late 20's too ...
And because I am very confident that the current exchange rate will hold in the next few months, if not years, I have just booked 10 days in BA, end of October, early November, staying in Design Suites .... actually if anybody has info about this cool-looking aoart-hotel it would be really helpfull .... hope they are guest-friendly ..... Anybody going to BA around that time, weather should be warm but not too hot .....
Cheers, Ro
rob_roy5@hotmail.com
Robroy,
Thanks for those nice words. I know you'll love it. My friend has stayed at Design Suites and loved it. Said the staff was great and chica friendly. He also said they had a nice restaurant downstairs. I think Starfe also checked it out and had good things to say about it. I think the rooms look cool and Starfe's seal of approval peaked my interest. The only negative I have is it's not in Recoleta but there are tons of taxis.
Yes, you are correct. The exchange rate will be good for years and years not months. Their problems are severe. Good luck and have fun!
amsterdamned
07-25-02, 08:31
I also like to say thanks to LA Larry, Otto, Saint, Starfe and many, many others. I too, really enjoy reading your postings and the Argentine section for that matter. I think most feel our hobby is a bit on the edge sometimes, but is nice to meet people who are as decent and gentle as I think of myself.
The last time I have been to BA is now more than three years ago and I did visit SHAMPOO at the time. This is a basement nightclub and at the time it was rather expensive. I got the know the black guy at the door who gave me advice when I needed. They had some shows with transsexuals, but the girls in the club were great. I will go back by the end of the year and intend to stay for a year or so. At the time, I stayed at the Intercontinental, which is far from the action. Don't get me wrong, it is a nice hotel, but a hassle to get girls in. (they had to register, again at the time) This time I will take my que from this board.
However, one thing that Starfe wrote made me fall off my chair. He wrote that the "LoiSuites" staff was assisting him in the negotiations with the girls. I have tried to imagine how this worked out and am still breaking my head. Either this is the best hotel in town, or Starfe possesses an alien sort of management authority. In case of the latter, it should be considered being educated amongst business faculties. "The Starfe Style- a comprehensive introduction to hobbying with absolute control"
Best...
amsterdamned,
that's the whole truth!!
i speaks nada spanish. i had the staff making appt and telling the girls what i wanted to spend. i plan on staying at the designsuites on my next trip but i also booked the loisuites just in case the staff at design does not meet or beat the lois group attention.
rooms at design were nicer. thats the( executive suite room) was nicer. their smaller rooms were just ok.
lois i think has a better location.
starfe
I will be heading down to Buenos Aires on July 30 for 9 days of some serious mongering. I will do my level best to post reports but "events" often have a way of taking over and your time is spend doing other things. However, I take my "responsibilities" to the forum seriously and will make my reports either while I am recovering or in between sessions.
I will be staying in a 1 bedroom apartment 4 blocks from the Etoile. Most of the reports from BA that I've seen here concern hotels so perhaps a report or two on the apartment scene in Recoleta might be of some use to other mongers in their future planning.
LA Larry has talked quite glowingly about Mar del Plata so I have planned a 2 night weekend trip (by air) to MDP. Larry is right the round trip airfares are quite reasonable (171 pesos - all taxes & charges included) and so are the rates at the Manantailes (134 pesos per night - all taxes & charges included). Report to follow.
Hope to meet some fellow mongers down there. If anybody else from the board is going to be there during that time frame drop me a line at tooshman@hotmail.com. It's going to be great.
Toosh
i'll be in b.a. (on the way to las lenas) end of aug. please advise regarding getting cash from an atm.
atm is the best way to have local cash (better than travelers checks, exchanging currency, even using a credit card for non-girl spends). but unlike all other places, i hear in b.a. the atm's are not functioning and are out of cash.
is this true?
thx!
amsterdamned
07-26-02, 06:12
With reference to Leo's remark and my own preparations for a lengthy stay, I'd appreciate some info on the subject as well. Personally I was thinking of taking a few golden chains and sell a piece every other day or so.
Also I like to add thanks to DownBA and Andres. For Saint I have a question, since he seems eager to move to BA. Is there any business to be conducted under the present circumstances?
Hey Toosh--
I wish to Christ I was going to MDP myself.
You will have a fucking blast (although be warned--this time of year down there will be quite windy).
But as long as that hobby bar (100 meters) near the Sheraton is open--then you will been fine.
Here's some more info on MDP, so that you feel comfy.
The airport is very small. I would say that it is a good 15 minute ride to the Hotel Manatiales by taxi.
The Manantiales is about a three minute cab ride into the commerical center of Mar Del Plata. If you want to walk, go along the ocean and watch the fucking waves batter the coast. Very Dramatic.
There is a main street in the commercial center of MDP which is closed to traffic. This street has hundreds of large clothes stores, restaurants, banks, etc. I dont suggest you eat on this street because its essentially just fast food. But this is ground zero of MDP, non-hobby action. This neighborhood is where you will find yourself buying international newspapers, eating, shopping, etc.
Walk around the commercial area on any of the ajoining streets and youll see hundreds (I mean fucking hundreds) of restaurants, internet cafes, rests. and small grocery stores. EXTREMELY SAFE.
WARNING (I just remembered) there is a neon sign of a cocktail glass (it is a hobby bar in the commerical district of MDP.) DO NOT WASTE YOUR TIME HERE, THIS JOINT IS A VERITABLE DOG POUND. The ladies are ragged hags, and should be pensioned off to a whorehouse for the aged.
Stick with the joint I keep touting (whatever the fuck its called!Malojos or Majalocos.) There are some young hotties in this establishment who will truly take care of you. I found these girls (in retrospect) to be much more friendly then the gals in BA. (Less professional in a sense, maybe its the resort like setting that takes the edge off them).
Here's the scoop on the bar. You enter for free but are compelled to buy yourself one drink. To take a gal out it will require that you buy here 2 exit drinks (I think this amounted to around 30 pesos total) and then the girl will cost you 100 pesos. The most I paid was 150 pesos. BE ON THE LOOK OUT FOR A BLOND BRASILIAN CHICK WITH 36 DD FAKE TITS and a GREAT ASS AND FACE. She will service you as though the world is coming to an end. She also begged me to fuck her in the ass. Moreover, this gals like you to watch them piss in the bidet.
During the day, if you want to dial up some service from the local newspaper, go right ahead. But you will need to understand that it is an utter roll of the dice...A gambit. But and this is a big BUT, I can attest to the fact that the possibility exists to score a true champion. Just keep saying YO QUIERO UNA CHICA MUY JOVEN Y MUY BONITA! The lady on the phone will say "of course, no problem, we have the perfect girl for you." But its here where you have to show your mettle, respond by calling her a liar "TU ERES MENTIROSA. Its essential that you call the lady a liar so that she knows you mean business. (Ha, ha).
MY SUGGESTION FOR A TWO DAY STAY IS TO AVOID NEWSPAPER ACTION and save your strenght for the hobby bar near the Sheraton.
One last word on the newspaper action in all Argentina. If I had to say a positive word about it---its dirt fucking cheap (there are actually some ads for 15 peso blow jobs: "buscal") and whats really great is that you can flat out ask on the phone if the girl permits anal--as if you were ordering a pizza but first wanted to make sure they had anchovies.
Have a blast!!!
leo,
i got cash when ever iwanted from the atm's
not a problem at all
was there july 4th weekend
starfe
amsterdammed...you have a slim to none chance of selling gold chains in BA...but have a good chance of being robbed if u r silly enough to hold them out to a perspective buyer...
also, Leo, it was my experience that sat,sun and monday till noon almost every cash machine, ATM, that I went to was empty...on 2 weekens I had to go to 8-10 machines untill I got cash...do not put yourself in the position to need cash from an atm on sat sun and mon till noon...this was my experience in the recolletta area from june 5 through the 26th.
That's what I love about this board. It's always good for a few good laughs in addition to helpful information. No disrespect Amsterdamned but I really got a good laugh when I read your comment about selling some gold chains. (I hope you were kidding). People have to realize that the vast majority of people in Buenos Aires are poor. Many can't even buy food... let alone gold chains. Yes, there are people there that are wealthy but they are like the wealthy people here in the USA. They go to the Cartier store or similar type jewelry store in Recoleta for their wears most likely. I agree with Yabba. You'll have more of a chance of getting robbed IMHO.
As to your question about me being eager to move there. YES. I'd love to live in BA someday (at least part of the year). Reality has set in since my trip. It's more of a 5 year plan now. You must be totally fluent in Spanish if you're going to have any kind of business there. That's what I'm doing now. Learning as much Spanish as I can. I can think of a few businesses that might survive down there but it's a tough place right now and probably will be for a while. I found this site below that had some pretty good info on starting a business there. Good luck.
http://www.invertir.com/default2.htm
Hi!
A short experience.
On Tuesday, after 10 days going out every single night, I started to feel tired. Then, I decided to do a quickie in downtown and leave the night for light non-pro action.
I wanted to try Mara (a masseuse in downtown: Cordoba Av. and Esmeralda St., Phone 4515-0213), who I couldn't try a week ago. By 5:30 PM, she was available, so I took the 30 minutes session (p40). The girls was really hot: Nice legs, nice bobs, slim body, Paraguayan accent (I guess that all these girls in this MP are from Paraguay). She started with a nice massage with oil, rubbing my back, butts, arms, legs and sensitive parts. After 15 minutes massage, she asked me p10 for getting naked, p30 for naked and CBJ and p50 for FS (but she had the monthly period, so she couldn't do that). I chose the p30. Nice BJ, but since covered, no as great as a BBBJ. I touched her body and felt really smooth and firm at the same time... "Youth, divine treasure"...
One comment about the place: It's clean, but it's very small and the rooms are cabinets made of cardboard, so you can hear everything from other rooms and viceversa. Also, there are only couchs and massage tables, so you cannot have comfortable action as in a hotel.
An average experience.
Hope to report soon about Recoleta.
Andres
Larry,
Thanks for the info. Its guys like you, Saint, Otto, Yabba, Starfe, Umgman and others who make planning for this much better than the hit or miss it would otherwise be.
You can rest assured I will hunt down that Brasilian chic. She doesn't realize it yet but she is having a date with a jackhammer in heat.
I loved your comments about the bidet. As Dorothy would say, " We're not in Kansas anymore".
The newspapers and the call up services are plan B if the place near the Sheraton doesn't pan out or is closed. If calling the lady on the phone a liar doesn't get the job done maybe I'll just mosey on down there and bit#! slap her. She'll no doubt love this gringos "machismo" and have her best girl do me right on the spot at ridiculous prices. Hehehehehe.
Seriously, Larry, there is one thing that does concern me and that is something you maybe able to shed some light on. What do you know about the safety of the airlines down there? How did you get to MDP? Would you have any concerns over using one of them? I would appreciate your comments.
Thanks,
Toosh
some feedback on a new business venture PLEASE:
i am having a trenchcoat designed to hold 75 fake gold rolex watches. prices at $125 a piece. i read the report of someone who wants to sell gold chains. i feel its possible to hang outside the better hotels and develop a fairly healthy business if you stay the course. i have seen this done with great success in nyc all the time. i am producing business cards right now, which read
"GOING OUT OF BUISNESS" ( in spanish ).
if there are any 3 card hobbiest out there (find the ace of spades)
we can set up a small KIOSK area. who says the girls are the only ones who can make a little cash. i have never sold jewelry in my life but i will start by learning how these kiosk do it at the malls here in the u.s..
if any other would like to join me in this very lucrative business, please post your ideas and lets go down there and really show them AMERICAN CAPITALISM AT WORK. i have also toyed with the idea of going down with some GINZU knife sets. i already have a trenchcoat designed to carry 62 PO-PEEL POCKET FISHERMAN'S.
I WOULD RENT THIS ONE TO ANY SERIOUS SALESMAN
STARFE
OttoGraham
07-28-02, 14:16
News Flash From Buenos Aires:
Hey, GREAT DEALS ON ROLEX WATCHES! I bought a genuine, certified Rolex from a fellow selling outside the Etoile Hotel last night, it was only 150 pesos, it came with a Genuine Certificate of Authenticity signed by Pierre Marchand, President of Rolex International himself!
Also, there were some fine deals to be had on gold chains, my street salesman's inventory was all nicely displayed in the inner lining of his overcoat (the small label said "Starfe Fashions, Dallas").
Unfortunately, I had to save my last two 20 peso notes for use at Blacks, one of them for the entrance fee and the other for the girl for the overnighter. She really appreciated the pack of Marlboros I gave to her for the tip!
Went to the ATM this morning to draw out an extra 5 pesos to tip the mechanic at Jorge Newberry Airport before my flight to Salta today, the mechanic, he promised to use only OEM replacement chewing gum for the engine gaskets, gosh I feel much better flying when I tip the ground crew.....
Will report on the action on board the Train to the Clouds in Salta Province, I hear tell there are Indian girls who will service you for 5 pesos at the railway sidings, an extra 2 pesos if you would fancy a throw with the llama too.....
-Tio Otto de Buenos Aires
amsterdamned
07-29-02, 07:06
OK, it is a bit off topic...
You're right, this posting had nothing to do with the goal of this website, which is providing information for men looking for sex with women.
Jackson
Woo Hoo! I'm headed back to Buenos Aires unexpectedly next month for Labor Day weekend. If anyone else is headed to my favorite city, email me at saintofba@hotmail.com.
I'll probably be staying at Art Suites or Design Suites. Actually Mari from www.argentinago.com has been wheeling and dealing for me with both places. Both places are offering rates lower than their websites with her. I'll see what the final tab is and post it.
I'm not sure if I can offer any more information than last time but I'll sure try. Good luck amigos.
Saint
Ferolga777
07-29-02, 17:03
As of July of 2002
Thanks to all who posted good info for your generosity.
Black: a good, fun bar with pretty girls and entertaining shows. The most expensive place in Buenos Aires for the hobby. It´s the only place where I was quoted 100 US dollars for a two hour session. Lots of pretty girls. There can be some pretty hardcore pros, though nowhere near US standards. Drinks are 20 pesos for hombres and 40 to 50 for chicas. Stop by, have a drink, take out a girl. Use it as your yardstick. (Paid for Ad. Brought to you by the Black Consortium.)
Playwoman: In Recoleta, ask any taxi driver. The girls are pretty and their prices can go from 200 to 250 depending on how much they like you. A better value hook up joint than Black.
Sodoma: I had a bad experience at this clip joint. If someone else fared better I congratulate you.
The Suipacha bars: Catto, Hook and Ness. Cruise them quickly in search of your honey, you´ll know her by her hourglass figure and the smile on her face . Prices are cheaper (150 to 200) and the overall quality lower, but there are gems to be found. Good for a change of pace.
Cutty Sark (Morgan merged with this one.) and "Ladies, Ladies" (formerly Bridge Fashion Bar): I walked in, I drank, I left ... alone. Asking price, 150.
Cafe Orleans: I ordered a coffee. I talked to a lady in her thirties with a good haircut and Austin Powers´ teeth. I finished my coffee and left ... alone. She was asking for 200 pesos. The cafe in front of this one was cleaner and empty of chicas.
New Shampoo: reopened a week ago and it shows. I will hold off judgment on this joint. Better to wait a couple of months on this one unless you don´t mind being a pioneer.
My experience is that it is best to go with the vibe. If the vibe is bad, walk away from the chica. If the vibe is great, get her out of the bar as quickly as possible. Keep a happy attitude and treat them like girlfriends, not like you own them for the night. You´ll be better off.
Ferolga777
07-29-02, 22:03
continuing the review
Salome-- The place is packed with locals, some of which have a grope-for-free attitude. Took out a lovely lady for 100 pesos, gave her a genorous tip. Looks 7. Attitude 8. Not a super hot brasilera. She was a sweet argentina.
People:
When traveling to Argentina, keep in mind that we, los argentinos, used to overprice to everyone who doesn't speak spanish (and even if you speak spanish can fall into this trap).
You can get very beautiful girls for less money than 100 u$s the 2 hours. If you can, make friends with a local and let him make the arragements, for better quality and less money...and invite him a drink, if you please :)
Just in case, there is my adress again:
condicionadas@yahoo.com
I could use a free whiskey once in a while! :)
Saludos a todos!
Mariscal
High on Hobbyin
07-31-02, 06:25
Andres,
LA Larry,
and DownBA
Thank you for taking the time to respond to my questions. Sorry, I wasn?t able to respond sooner (visiting relatives). And while I'm at it, may I commend the posters of the Argentine board. This board is extremely informative, has a sense of camaraderie among its posters and has always maintained a sense of dignity and decorum. Thank you all for your perspectives and for expanding mine regarding this great place to visit.
The flight to Mar del Plata sounds like the way to go. Should one buy the flight from here in the States or in BA. I guess the concierge could help get this accomplished? Toosch, how did you get your flight to Mar del Plata as you have not departed yet? Can?t wait to read your upcoming reports on MDP!
Is the heat and humidity of January/February similar to that of the Caribbean? Or are we talking more like Taiwan or New York? Hey, anyone know if there is much of a Mardi Gras in BA or MDP? I can't remember anyone discussing that on this board.
LA Larry, I did try the Manantailes' web site but the English portion was quite limited. Will have to return and go through it page by page in English using Babel fish over the weekend.
DownBA, thanks. I don't plan on taking a remis to MDP. I simply saw it mentioned in the University town of La Plata's thread. I thought that LA Larry had used the term in his exploration of La Plata and I was curious...
I'm still curious as to what attire to bring? I understand it will be warm down there, but I seem to remember the archives recommending a coat and slacks in Blacks. Is this still suggested? How about most of the other bars? What attire do most Argentine men wear to the restaurants mentioned?
Again, thanks for everyone?s input!
Saint,
I believe I read that you were considering traveling to Brazil. FYI- I don?t? believe I?ve read anything about this on the Brazil board, so here?s a slightly out of date heads up. The State Department?s travel advisory (10/09/01) warns of Mickey Fin Girls in Sao Paulo (http://travel.state.gov/brazil.html). Also if anyone wants read up on a possible travel local, the CIA?s website has a World Fact Book that gives great background on a county (http://www.cia.gov/).
Nibu Raphael
07-31-02, 15:28
Dude Mariscal I could use a ton of Whiskeys for my input in Lima Peru. Well Also since I should be in B.A. In the 2nd week of august since I contribute like crazy to The WSG Forum. How about a few rounds of drinks for me Mariscal? Actually Jackson too deserves some free rounds of drinks too. Sorry Dude I know it is hard for you guys Argentenians now, Regards NIBU R. P:s. What is now the Peso to the dolar more or less for the month of august? Are all the banks still closed? P.S. What about a Lenghty Streewalker update? Also Boris where are you? L.A. Larry see my recnt post in Uruguay.
OttoGraham
07-31-02, 20:11
Nibu,
As of today the Peso is 3.6 to 1 Yanqui dollar.
And for all you fellows buying drinks, I don't drink whiskey, I drink gin! ;-)
-Otto
otto,
did you happen to notice the designsuites hotel on your walks thru b.a.? if so is it in a good location?
i went to see the hotel but it was raining so i could not get my bearings on exactly what type of area ( safe or not).
thanks
starfe
High on Hobbyin',
I sincerely recommend that you not make the same mistake I did and not book your ticket to MDP as far in advance from the US as possible. I flew to San Miguel de Tucuman in northern Argentina and I bought the ticket one day in advance on an Argentinean commuter airline and I paid dearly for this. My Argentinean friends told me that if I had booked two weeks in advance I would have paid about $150 US round trip to Tucuman but instead I paid about $350 due to not having a 14 day advance. So yes, look into this in advance by all means. Also, don't forget that there isn't only one Argentinean commuter airline by any means, there's some competition here, so don't think you have to settle for the first fare you hear.
Also, re attire for the chica clubs in BA, I can't attest for Blacks since I never went there but I can safely tell you that in Playwoman you don't need to put on fancy clothes, you mainly need to have enough pesos or US$ in your pocket and probably a pulse and a heartbeat would help too. I'm not saying to go in like a slob either, but as long as you're neat and respectable I'm quite sure jeans and a nice polo shirt would be just fine in Playwoman and probably most other chica clubs. A for restaurants, BA is a fairly unassuming place and while most of the people dress nicely, don't ever think you can't go casually to most of the restaurants except maybe the very high end ones. There are a million very down to earth "parilla al carbon" places, the Argentinean mixed beef grill places, they're literally on every corner and most of these places are extremely casual.
I envy you buddy to be going there to the promised land so soon, wish I could schedule a trip in soon but at the moment it's simply not in the cards.
Buen provecho in MDP and BA High!! DownBA
OttoGraham
08-01-02, 12:31
Greetings from BsAs all,
Starfe, I have not seen DesignSuites precisely during this trip down here, but I know the general area it is located - it is very safe in the Recoleta area. I am out and about on the streets late at night, I've never had a real worry.
Antonio Banderas is down here filming a movie; he was quoted in the local press as saying that BsAs is safer than New York or Los Angeles. I wonder how he says this, when he is likely escorted around town with an entourage, maybe the paparazzi here are less obnoxious than in the States.
As for dress codes - I think it is a good thing to dress well here, as with anywhere. Why look like a slob when just adding a sport coat and a decent pair of shoes will make you look like a million dollars?
Finally - DownBA's story about plane fares strikes a memory. if I were traveling by plane here, I think I would try to contact a local travel agency to do the arrangements. I checked on air fares between BsAs and Mar de Plata on-line, and the fares began at about $70 one way. However, a local I know recently bought a one way ticket two days in advance for 70 pesos - a 75% savings. As a gringo I would have no idea how to do this, but I think a travel agency would.
-Uncle Otto
Hi!
Last experience of my trip.
On Monday, I had my last free night for mongering in BA. As I explained before, people don't use to go out very much on Sundays and Mondays, and this Monday wasn't the exception.
First, I went to Sodoma by midnight. The place was almost empty for what it used to be: Only 20 chicas, most of them of average looking (no one stunner spotted). Prices were the same as in December: p18 for monger's drink, p60 for chica's drink and leave, and p100 for the girl (assuming 90-120 minutes of service). Left the place and walked around the corner to Solid Gold.
Solid Gold seemed better in women's quality. I saw a pretty girl called Sabrina (nice legs and butts) who asked p100 for a 2 hr session. Driks were same price as in Sodoma. Left the place and took a cab to the Suipacha and Paraguay streets area.
First place to visit there was Hook. Hook seems to have mostly foreigners (Paraguayans and Brazilians). Some girls were really pretty, but the ambience was lame: Only a handful of customers. Saw a nice and slim Paraguayan girl called Mireya. Left the place to go to Ness.
Ness sucked. Less than 8 girls and a mourning ambience. I was about to leave when I saw I girl who tried 3 years ago called Karen. She put the extra mile trying to convince me in going out. She was extremely carming, although I remembered that the previous experience with her was substandard.
Anyway, she worked out the circumstances to convince me and succeeded. She asked p150, but I set it to p100 without much negotiation. Karen is realy pretty. As many girls from the Misiones province, she has a mildly dark skin (kind of light cinnamon), dark eyes, thick lips and great body: Big natural boobs, slim waist and round, firm butt. We went to the 3 Sargentos Albergue Transitorio and had a nice session: BBBJ, FS, greek, some massage. The only problem with this girl is that she likes to call other friends and ask the concierge for food. Personally, I don't like people eating in the bed.
Well... a nice experience, nothing unforgettable but not avoidable either.
Now I'm back in the States. I hope to come back to BA in December and inform about other places if possible (heard that Yamila in Pavon Av. and Galicia Av., Avellaneda, is scheduled to reopen in September).
Hope this helps.
Andres
thanks otto.
i am really thinking of going back to panama over thanksgiving. the flight is so easy. i have b.a. also booked for that time. will decide at the last minute
i hope your trip is going well.
starfe
Andres!
I had to really laugh when I read your report. (And please take what I am about to say in a joking spirit).
You had a session with what seemed like a very hot young girl that included BBBJ and GREEK---all for Under $30 US dollars and you dare to complain about the poor gal eating in bed!!! (She probably was a sweetheart too!)
You are a real stickler Andres! God Bless you.
Right now I am in goddamned Moscow and I would kill--well maybe not kill but--maim for one of those fun loving, fancy free BA chicks.
The thing that will eternally strike me about the BA Bar scene is the fact that you go out and score one of these chicks in a night club setting and then when you leave together (in 97% of the cases) the girls act supremely cool for the next two hours. Almost as if you had actually picked them up under normal circumstances. As if they were amatuers!
Come to think of it--these pro BA girls behave better than 99% of the amatuer girls you might be so lucky to score (if such a thing were possible).
Ask yourself the following question:
How many times in your (amatuer) life have you gone into a nightclub and picked up a beautiful 21-24 year old girl and then brought her home for 2 hours of sex that included BBBJ and GREEK?
That, my friends, is why South America is heaven on earth.
Otto,
Remember I tried to hook your friend that likes gorgeous 30 something chicas up with a BA chica from Mendoza province? Just that curiosity is killing this cat and you or your friend never told me if a connection were ever made and if so if it were a satisfying one. If this is completely foreign to you please email me at LLLLLNNNNN@aol.com and I'll refresh your memory of the details. Otherise, pray tell, post here how your friend liked this chica that I rave so much about? Thanks, DownBA
JustGotBack
08-01-02, 17:39
I going down again. Does anyone have a recommendation for a two girl BBBJ?
Hello to all from Buenos Aires. I have just finished my first complete day here and it has been as good as I thought it would be.
Let me begin by saying that I am very hungover. It was a good night so please excuse me if my posts are not up to Otto´s high standards.
The apartment I am staying at is on Quintana Ave. It is located 3 blocks down from the Etoile. The is no sign on the building so from the street is looks like just another building. It has a doorman and 24 hour security. Mayra at argentina.com booked it for me (its on their web page).
The apartment is fairly depicted on their web page. However, there are parts of it that could use a coat of paint. It is a nice place in an excellant neighborhood (as is all of Recoleta) and I would have no problem staying here again. The cleaners across the street makes it very convenient.
The apartment also has a decent kitchen in it but it is long and narrow. I went to the liqour store and the local supermarket named DISCO (real name) and stocked up on things for me and the Chicas. So far they love it.
I spend most of the first day sleeping from the overnight flight to BA. How can anyone sleep well in an airplane seat? I woke up at 10 PM just in time to get ready for my first night. I decided to walk by the Etoile to check it out before going to Playwoman. Just as I started to pass by all the outside cafes I literally bumped into an absolutely gorgeous 30ish woman with a low (I mean low) cut dress. She could not help noticing me noticing her tits. She did not speak English that well but it did not take long before it became apparent that she was an independant working girl.
Before you know it we were back at my apartment. When she began to take her clothes off my knees buckled. What a body!!! Some of the best thighs I´ve ever seen on a woman and I am a leg man. Her body was as nice as Pamela Anderson back in her Baywatch prime. We went at it for the better part of two hours. I will forever remember her ¨much milk¨comments concerning me. She wanted 150 pesos. I gave her 200 and got her number. I´ve got to have some more of that.
After Carla it took me maybe 15 minutes to decide I was still going to go to Playwoman. When I got there I decided to just sit at the bar for a while and check things out. This strategy lasted maybe 2 minutes until an extremely pretty blonde walked over and asked me (in good English) if I liked what I saw. ¨God Damn right,¨was my response. Before I knew it we were in a nearby motel going at it like it was our last fuck in this world. When we finished she insisted we go back to Playwoman and I get a drink they owed me. What customer service!
I kept telling myself to develope some discipline here and just sit at the bar for a while and check things out. Again, that strategy lasted for about another 2 minutes. This time a stacked brunette from Paraquay undid my strategy on the spot. Perhaps the bulge in my pants was giving me away but it didn´t take much convincing for me to take her back to the apartment for the rest of the night. We fucked until about 7 AM and by that time I was really spent. She could drink pretty good too as she pretty much single handedly finished my vodka off. She put me out 200 pesos.
Perhaps I over did it on my first night but what the hell I am on vacation and I´ve got the rest of the day to sleep it off. Tonight I will go to Blacks (God help me - get some damn discipline).
Notes and observations:
Use Mayra at argentina.com. She booked my trip to MDP on short notice (less than 6 days) and my round trip air to MDP was $48.00 (US dollars). SHE CAN HELP YOU. Saint also highly recommends her as well.
There are a lot of very attractive women walking around Recoleta (of all ages) The women here dress very well and look very classy. Maybe its just the neighborhood but Amercian women sure could take a lesson or two from Argentinian women. Ay carumba.
Wish I had taken my high school and college Spanish more seriously. I would love to just hit on the local women here. I have the feeling I could score with quite a few of them.
JamesBond69
08-01-02, 18:33
>Tonight I will go to Blacks (God help me - get some damn discipline).
Great posting. You're the next Tio Otto:-)
Please let us know particularly about Blacks in detail.
Prices, dress code, comparison with playwomen, etc.
Are we talking real Sports Illustrated Swimsuit model10's?, GFE?
Way to go Toosh! What a first day in "heaven". I remember my first day in Buenos Aires. My buddy and I were checking in at the Etoile and we both saw this super hot Playboy model type brunette walking with American slob and we know we were gonna love B.A.
I plan on checking out some new places when I'm there at the end of this month. I am going to try to hook up with Mariscal too when I'm there. I'll buy him a whisky but you should all know he was kidding with his post about the drink.
I am also planning to go to Mar Del Plata (although it will be warm when I go). I'm very interested in hearing how you like it. I just confirmed my reservations with Mayri for hotel. I got a rate of $70 US (21% tax included for the cash rate at Art Suites). I also was quoted a rate of $60 US + 21% tax for Design Suites through Mayra "Mayri".
Have a great trip Toosh!
P.S. Toosh isn't kidding about brushing up on your Spanish. Mine sucked while I was there and I still ended up meeting a normal girl. Since returning home my spanish has greatly improved. I met a normal girl from the internet that I'll be meeting while down there too. I found the people of B.A. to be very friendly to Americans. They are a very warm and affectionate society. Even with ZERO Spanish you can have a great time but I really believe communicating with the girls enhances the experience ten-fold. I still maintain that a blind man could find what he is looking for in BA.
"Translations"
In some ads on the Argentinian Escort Sites, the descriptions can inlcude
"Solo para exigentes' meaning, "if you are demanding then we'll have an understanding". In what way do they mean "demanding"?
Also,
"servicio completo" - one of the sites has many ladies offering that. In other countries that means anal, and is typically rarely offered. But it seems to be a fairly frequent offer on the BA escort sites. Any ideas here?
laf
lotsafun:
I think better translation for "Solo para exigentes" is "Only for those with high standards".
As far as "servicio completo", you're right, it means that she will serve you orally, vaginally, and anally, thus the use of the word "complete". Also, don't be shy about asking girls who don't advertise this service on their ad if they are willing to do it.
I've had some of the best anal service in BA from girls who didn't advertise it on their ad but were willing to do it for some extra cash (50 pesos seems to be the going increment to their normal rate for this service). One example of this is Lorena from the Platynum site. She doesn't advertise it on her ad, but she will also provide "servicio completo" for an extra 50 pesos. She's actually a brazilian girl from Sao Paulo living in BA. And btw, those nice breasts on her pictures are 100% silicone-free.
Can anyone who has been to BA comment on a particular escort from Platynum who goes by name of Mariana Dumas or Monica? Any info regarding her services would be helpful.
Thanks
hey saint - let me know if you want to hook up in b.a.!
i'll be in b.a. before going on my way to las lenas at the end of the month. i'm coming in from recife, brasil, so i'll be solo in b.a. before most of our ski group makes it down from the u.s., on my own wed/thu aug-28/29.
i plan to email w/ mayri to get room at etoile (i've stayed here before) or artsuites.
you can get me at sobeleo@yahoo.com
One thing everyone needs to be aware of on Platynum is the girls with the blue asterisks (*). You'll notice the hottest girls of the sites have those blue stars (*). Those are NOT the actual girl. Platynum is a reputable site but i know a few dudes that made the mistake of calling them up only to have someone ....ummm not as beautiful show up at their hotel.
I plan to see more internet girls from Area-vip and Platynum this time during the day and continue to go out to the clubs at night with my amigo that will also be in town.
Also, some of you guys there now...please let me know how Shampoo is. I know it reopened last week but no one has posted anything about it. One of the working chicas told me Shampoo was really nice but she was clueless on what the drinks cost or what the exit fees, etc. were. HELP.
Thanks in advance.
Saint
P.S. Leo and others... I don't arrive until Friday, August 30th and only in town 4 days. :(
hmmm, artsuites vs. designsuites (both equal-enough in price, both same distance from main recoletta action - no?)...
which street is safer to walk (i haven't been since nov-01 - are either safe still?) at night, with girl or after action:
-alvear to get to designsuites, or
-azcuenaga to get to artsuites
thanks!
JustGotBack
08-02-02, 02:00
Some of you mentioned you got Vigara at a pharmacy. Is Vigara available in BA without a prescription? If so, can you recommend a pharmacy. I'd like to make the most of my limited time.
thanks
Originally posted by Hulk
lotsafun:
.... One example of this is Lorena from the Platynum site. She doesn't advertise it on her ad, but she will also provide "servicio completo" for an extra 50 pesos. She's actually a brazilian girl from Sao Paulo living in BA. And btw, those nice breasts on her pictures are 100% silicone-free.
Hulk, thanks for your explanations, and I've just moved Lorena from my to do list to my must do list. She's a lovely looking lady and I'm happy to hear she's silicone-free. My plan is to have a silicone-free trip, you see.
laf
can someone offer information on using the platynum site?
i've read thru the posts here, last note on cost showed us$100 for a specific girl, and that was mid-June.
- any more recent experiences?
- is that the going rate for platynum girls - us$100, or was that
for just her?
- are all prices the same, or do different girls, or VIP girls, charge
differently?
thanks!
Ferolga777
08-02-02, 14:07
Thanks to Andres for reminding me that I shouldn´t accept the first quote that I´m given as a final unnegotiable one. Sometimes the little head takes over the thinking. I will try and negotiate lower rates with the chicas from now on. Maybe I´ll masturbate before going to the clubs.
Originally posted by leo
can someone offer information on using the platynum site?
i've read thru the posts here, last note on cost showed us$100 for a specific girl, and that was mid-June.
- any more recent experiences?
- is that the going rate for platynum girls - us$100, or was that
for just her?
- are all prices the same, or do different girls, or VIP girls, charge
differently?
thanks!
Are you sure it isn't $100 Pesos, not US. The same symbol ($) is used in Argentina. One site mentioned $29US and on another site the same girl was $100, meaning Pesos. There was aprevious discussion on this some time back, I think. I haven't been there yet so I'm not the expert on this. Looking for some confirmation on this.
laf
Fat Bastard
08-02-02, 19:43
Just visited a very nice place for daytime action that others have posted before, but I just had a chance to visit and thought I would de-brief. This is the place on Frence street (Recoleta area).
To be specific, 2254 French street, tel 4825-9168/9370. Nice safe part of town and the building itself is in a residential neighborhood. Merium will meet you at the door. She is nice looking, but does not work herself...I asked. I know...I'm a lout. She speaks good english and her house/brothel/casa is very nice, clean, and classy.
She has three women there at all times with a total of five on the payroll and all are on www.platynum.com.ar. Merium is extremely discrete and does a lot to protect your privacy. She prefers that you call to make a reservation to make sure that you don't bump into other people. My girl, Carrol asked me to wait in our room before leaving because another client was on his way for some fun and they didn't want us to come face to face in the hallway.
My girl Carol had nice natural yabbos and beautiful long black hair. Great personality to boot. We fooled around on the bed for a while, then we climbed into the jacuzzi where she proceeded to wash my body, give me a nice BBBJ, and kindly assumed the position for some doggy sex.
The price is 100 pesos for one hour and another 50 if anal sex is desired. Once again, a nice place for daytime action.
celeste
carrol
caterina
bella or brenda
samanta
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