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Daddy Rulz
09-14-04, 19:29
This may show as a double post because of a tech problem when I first sent it. I'm wondering if anybody has ever had a session with Yanina from Area Vip?
Last evening, I was originally headed to Corrientes 1642 to try them out, but the portero wouldn't let me in without giving him an ID card number. I wasn't going to leave a written trail if I could help it, so changed my plans. Where to go now that I was all dressed up and no place to go? Debated for a couple of minutes, and headed over to Corrientes 1965, even though I had just been there the afternoon before.
They seemed to be busy, so I only was presented with two ladies, and one of them was Lorena, the blonde paraguaya. Some of the other women there who were spoken for were pretty hot. I chose Lorena again, and opted for a quickie 30-minute session for 30 pesos.
Lorena did a great bbbj with lots of eye contact, and then hurried me into a couple of poses. I didn't mind, since my primary intent at the time was a quick taking care of business. For that, Lorena is very good. She is a sex worker, with apparently very little interest in "getting to know you," etc.
Interesting side note is that Lorena used her panties to tie up her hair while doing the bbbj so that I could have an unobstructed view. Wonder if it is part of the in-house training? The other day, with Daniela with the nice chest, she used her bra to tie up her hair so that I could see her while she gave me a bbbj.
Novio, just pull your ID out of your wallet, act like you are reading the number off of it, and change a few digits. No problema.
CaptainNemo
09-15-04, 22:54
Finally, I made my way to BA recently. I will share my experience with the rest of world. Keep in mind, I speak litter Spanish and did not do any extensive research before I leave. I did write down a few addresses, such as Black.
I used Ana to pick me up from EZE airport. When I arrived, I could not find her. So, I called her from my US mobile. I was surprised I can not reach her. When I travel in the rest of world, I can dial the local number without country code from my US mobile. This is not the case in BA. It seems that I have to dial the whole number with the country code, just as you will dial it from US. Anyway, Ana arrived a few minutes later. Everything was good.
On the way to hotel, Ana found an ATM for me. I took out $700 pesos. This seems to be the largest amount I can take out. In the next few days, I found that this ATM only gives $100 pesos bill. This costs me later on.
The rest of report will be based on specific topic.
Special thanks to Capt Dave and Jackson. A great party. Capt Dave is a such good host. Thanks for Dickhead. It was a great time to hang out.
CaptainNemo
09-15-04, 22:55
Imagine:
It was my 1st night. I had an early dinner and walked around street to get a feeling about BA. Walked by the Imagine. It is located a few doors away from Excedra (Carlos Pellegrini 845). It was early, around 9PM. The guy at door wanted me to check it out. I took a peek. There was no one customer and about 10 girls. I have no interest to sit at this place. It smells like a tourist trap. I was at the door and ready to back out. One of girls is very cute. She came up and begged me to stay. She asked me to kiss her on the cheek. So I tell her if she kissed me on the lip, I would stay. She backed out. So, I headed out. The doorman asked me to stay again. He said that the 1st drink is free. So, I said to myself, what hell. I want to see how this place was going to bust my ball. I went back in and had a beer.
It is a very small place. One of girls got me a beer. 2 girls got on top of bar and started to danced around pole. There are about 4 guys (including the doorman) and 10 girls working there. Only one girl is very cute. I think she is the bait to get customers in there. Anyway, this cute girl speaks not much English. She got the other girl who speaks English sat with me on my left and she sat on my right. They started to ask me buy their drinks. I say no. And, I ask her how about going back to my hotel with me. She was surprised by the question and recovered quickly. She suggested I buy her a drink then discussed it. I say no again. Then she said that she could come to my hotel after she gets off work at 12. I said that I wanted it now. By this time, she knew that I was not going to buy the drink. These 2 girls finally left me alone to finish my free beer. 2 girls on the bar were dancing for me the whole time.
I finished my free beer and headed out the place without spending a cent.
Well, I will not recommend anyone else to do what I did. It is foolish to sit in a strange place with 4 muscle men and 10 girls.
CaptainNemo
09-15-04, 22:56
Excedra:
I have read many BA reports. Somehow, I did not remember Excedra. So, I walked by this place the 1st night. I thought that it were a regular coffee shop. Then, I noticed something strange. Every girls sitting inside watched me passing by through the window. Well, I know I am good looking, but not that good looking. Something is fishy here. When my taxi passed by this pace again at 2 AM. I noticed that same girls sat near the window. I decided to check out this place the next day.
The next night, I stepped by this place around 11pm. When I walked into the door, every girl (sat with guys or without guys) looked at me. Interesting. Why I did not remember this place on the WSG?
I ordered a coffer and looked around. There were about 2 doable girls (one of them I did a day later). Most of girls are at least in their late 20. I am not interest in such demographic group most of time. But, I decided to play the stupid tourist before I hit regular clubs.
A blonde smiled at me constantly across the room. Finally, I smiled back and fingered her over. I offered her a drink. She said that she was hungry and wanted food. WTF. Ok, I brought $15 pesos food for her. She is Brazilian. We talked about her life story and killed time before I went clubbing. It was just normal conversation. Then, I commented how weird place this is. There is no young man in this place. She told me that these men were here for girls. I still played the dummy tourist and pretended not know what she means. Finally, she said that she was a working girl, as the rest of girls at Excedra. I made clearly that I did not want to have paid sex with her. Well, it was time for me to hit clubs. So, I paid my bill and left. She did get a free meal and I had my fun.
The next day, I was more in the mood for a girl. I came back to Excedra. I saw a tall dark hair girl(one of two better looking girls from previous day) looking at me. She has a good face. I waved her over. She asked for $200 pesos. I countered with $150 pesos. She accepted it so quick that I knew that I should counter with $100 pesos.
Her name is Carolina. very tall. Good face and upper body since she is only 20 years old. I will post her picture later. She seems to be gaming for everything. But her BBBJ is so hard in the 2nd round that I have to stop her to prevent any damage.
When I was ready to pay her, I found that I don’t have a $50. So, I gave her $200 pesos. No big deal.
She gave me her number and asked me to call her the next day. I told her I wouldn’t. My stay at BA was short and cannot afford to spend too much time with the same girl.
That’s it for my Excedra experience.
CaptainNemo
09-15-04, 22:58
Café Orleans:
I stopped at Café Orleans after having dinner La Posada De 1820. It is 2 blocks away. So, I stopped by around 11pm. There were about 12 girls. I was not impressed. I had a coffer and left. The guy at bar was surprised by my quick departure. “No girls?” he asked. I said no and headed to Black.
Hook:
It was my 1st night at BA. I decided to hit Hook since it is near my hotel. There is no cover charge to get in this place. However, the place is very dark. I can not see these girls very well. On my way to the man’s room, I finally had a chance to examine these girls sitting at bar. I only saw one cute girl. She seems to be very young. But, a guy quickly picked her up.
Well, not much to see here. I decided to hit the next door Catto’s.
Ness:
I went to this place with DickHead. Not impressed. We left in 2 seconds.
Catto’s:
There is no cover charge at this place also. A friendly doorman leaded me into the place. The place was packed. He introduced himself and understood I only speak English. He quickly introduced a girl to me. This girl speaks good English, with a average face and very good body. I brought her a drink and started to make out with her. Based on the make out session, I know that she would be a good candidate for my 1st BA girl.
She asked for $200 pesos straightly. Well, at least she did not ask for US$200. I decided to accept it.
Back to the hotel, she was very good. Open to everything.
When she left, she gave me her home and mobile number, so I can call her the next day to hang out. Well, I did not call her in the next day. So litter time and so much to explore in BA.
Her name is Karen. Works Monday to Friday. I have her ass picture and will post soon.
Nuevo Estilo:
Went to this place with DickHead. Thanks for DickHead, we did not paid a cover charge. There are 2-3 doable girls. We had 2 drinks and left.
By the way, it was a lot of fun hanging out with Dickhead.
CaptainNemo
09-15-04, 23:05
Black:
So far, I was disappointed by the talent of BA. I have been to Hook, Catto’s, Café Orleans, Excedra, Santa Fe 1707. Where are these stunning beauties? Let’s head to Black since this is the top club in BA.
I paid my $25 pesos cover charge. Well, I like the place, a lot. The talent level is way better than other places. I had a drink. Did not see anything irresistible. And, I did not do a price check. I decided to check out other places since I had limited time in BA.
On my way out, I asked the doorman if I have to pay again when I come back that night. He said I did not have to pay the cover charge again.
So, I took the taxi to check out Pacha, which ended as a waste of time.
I never made back to Black in this trip.
Madahos:
After my unsuccessful attempt at Pacha, I decided to check out Madahos. If I didn’t like the place, I can always go back to Black.
When I got to Madahos, I mentioned Jackson’s $25 peso cover charge discount. I did not get it. No big deal. I paid my $25 pesos.
This place is very similar to Black. Black may have more slight better girls. However, I found my beauty at Madahos.
A Brazilian girl caught my eyes. She is just my type. A long story short. I took her back to hotel for 2 hours. It was $200 pesos, + a drink.
She is my best experience in BA. I went back to Madahos the next night around 2:30AM. I found her and took her again.
I never ask for her number(what’s the point). But I had picture of her ass. I will post soon.
The best girl in BA is from Brazil. Maybe I should stick to Brazil.
I like Black and Madahos. If I come back to BA, I will visit these 2 places first.
CaptainNemo
09-15-04, 23:11
I did a lot of shopping in BA. Girls working in these stores love to flirt with me. I have never encounter such flirting attitude in other countries. My Argentina colleague did warn me how flirt Argentina girls are (and go nowhere fast). I was surprised by how good some of their English are. It was a lot of fun. Many pretty girls work in the trendy stores.
Heidi from www.areavip.com.ar
She is one of the best kept secret from the Buenos aires section of wsg.
There are a lot of positive reviews on Heidi on the local board.
She is like her pictures, maybe a little thinner, mid thirties, 1m70, fake big boobs, very tanned, outstanding body, good face.
bbj with a lot deep throat, vaginal and anal (in fact she seems to prefer anal when she has the choice), a lot of fingering.
outstanding performance from a great professional.
Highly recommended.
She works in Sarmiento suites. her cellular is always turned on the answering machine. I called 5 times and 5 times I got the answering machine; finally I decided to leave my name and phone number and she called me back 20 minutes later.
200Pesos for one hour. she is quoted 150P on the local board, I guess I paid the "gringo premium" but 50 P is not that much and she is worth it.
CaptainNemo,
Glad you had fun. I've always posted the hottest girls are from Brazil. No girl is better in bed, IMHO than Brasileras. Madahos and Black clearly have much hotter girls compared to the other clubs. I don't think anyone can dispute that. They ARE more expensive though. Also, at Madahos you can tell them you are a friend of "Bobby" (the waiter) and they will waive the cover fee for you. If you decide to stay it would be fair to use him. He's a very friendly guy that speaks excellent English and he used to live in the USA. They never charge me a cover because they know I'm a friend of his. He told me anyone can tell them they are a friend of his and they won't charge you a cover. The cover includes your first drink anyway.
Locals will always get a lower price than gringos. It also depends on the girls though. Probably when I get my apartments up and running I'll call girls for free for my guests at no charge to schedule appointments for them.
Don't underestimate the action in Brazil. I know this is the BA section but the sex scene is better in Rio, IMHO.
Mickey Mouse
09-17-04, 22:26
There's a southern wind brewing and I just may catch a ride. Anyone interested in Dinner wednesday night?
MM
Jaimito Cartero
09-17-04, 23:14
Oh god, lock up the women, and call out the National Guard!
Tonight I met up with some compañeros in Ness. One quickly left with the sister of an ex favorita. I'm looking forward to field reports on her as there are none. I left with my GS or gata salvaje, whom I had not fucked in about five weeks, since before I went to Europe. I suppose she was my favorita at the time I left.
I think if you are gone for a while it is hard to go back. Everything went fine and we have a good rapport but I found myself wondering what the heck I thought was so great about her. A nice girl, but now relegated to occasional repeats. Favorita status has expired.
So now I find myself without a favorita. My Peruana is leaving for Paraguay for a few weeks and I bet it will be similarly hard to reconnect with her, although I will certainly try. If I had it to do over again, I would have done her tonight instead of the GS.
I guess I will take a few days off and then start over from scratch. A funny side note is that while I was leaving in the cab with the GS, we spotted my original favorita, late of Catto's and now of Ness, chatting on her cell phone on the corner of Suipacha and Paraguay. I rolled down the window, called her over, and gave her an alfajor. We are still good friends. She has a beautiful smile, as does her sister, as does the GS, as does the Peruana. I guess maybe that must be important to me. I want to do Antonela from Nuevo Estilo again soon. It's been almost 3 months and she has a great smile too.
Mickey Mouse
09-18-04, 12:25
Rest up DH, those southern winds have been upgraded to a category 3.
My trip is winding down, so just a couple of brief reviews. I tend to be a creature of habit and will go back to the same places if the service has been good.
Went back to the privado on Arenales for another 30 peso per hour experience. Picked Carolina, a porteña about 28 years old, brunette. Nothing particularly special, but did enjoy the "in-between" time. She did have pretty good oral skills.
Another trip to Corrientes 1965, that is becoming my reference point in BA. Lorena always seems to be there, but I picked a brunette with a nice bosom that had caught my eye the previous time. Her name was Nicole, also a paraguaya. Excellent bbbj, then she urged me to DATY after I had been working on her nice tits, so I obliged since she was fairly well-shaved and smelled clean. If she was putting on an act, it certainly fooled the both of us. A couple of positions in FS for a nice finish. I keep going back because it´s good value for money (this time was 30 pesos for the half hour), there´s always at least a couple fo girls I want to do, and the service is reliable.
Madahos raises entrance (drink prices) to 30 pesos now
Madahos celebrated their 2 year anniversary last night. I didn't make that party but I went tonight with my buddy, Kickstand, who is in town. We went to Madahos and starting tonight they raised the entrance price for guys to 30 pesos per drink. The chica drinks are still at 50 pesos but this is still disturbing that it is now more expensive to enter Madahos than Black. I just drink bottled water so a 30 peso glass of water is steep.
Most of the girls were not good tonight. In fact, you could argue aweful. I spotted one blonde that was an angel. Model type. Literally. She is a model in her country. I didn't know if it was the truth or not until we got to my apartment and she showed me a website from a fashion show and there were tons of pictures of her. Anyway, I had a great session. I haven't sessioned in Madahos since I moved here but had to celebrate seeing my good friend again.
Bobby wasn't working tonight but if he isn't working you can tell them you are a friend of Gabrielle (another waiter) and he said they will waive the cover for you too. This is a good strategy if you just want to see the action and then leave. Try to tip these bartenders if you can. I'm on a limited budget but I'll never stop tipping these guys. For the most part they are really great and make very little and only on tips so be good to them. I've been with some guys that don't leave anything and it makes me never want to hang out with them again. One time these dudes invited me out. I thought I'd be nice and go with them even though I didn't really want to because it's expensive for me. Long story short, they didn't tip the waiter and I ended up spending my own money to tip for all their drinks. Not cool. If you can afford to come to these type of places, you can at least afford to leave a decent tip. JMHO.
We did leave Madahos to see what the downtown clubs had to offer. I never see anything worth pulling out of Hook's, Ness, Cattos, etc. In fact, I thought most of them were damn scarey. Oh well. We went back to Madahos so I could talk to my blondie. She had a great personality and was really funny. She was really great and she left her phone number on my bedside table when she left, so I probably will hook up with her at some point again in the future.
Anyway, I doubt I'll pull out of Madahos much but there always are those special occasions.
City Angel
09-19-04, 11:56
Hi guys wondering if some of you can help me out.
I arrived in BA late last night, and was supposed to have spent the last week planning my trip to BA. But have instead been distracted by the charms of Rio.
If any of you are planning on making any excursions to any of the bars or clubs tonight, I would really appreciate it if I could come along.
If you can just hit me with a PM this afternoon with a time, a place or a telephone number, and I´ll be there!
City Angel
ChicagoBoy23
09-19-04, 13:26
Go to mansion party on Saturday night - great way to hook up with fellow mongers !!
Just caught a Madahos chica from BA double mailing me and another monger. Pretty funny. She mistakenly mailed me with another guys name in the salution. Its going to be fun to watch her try and explain this....
Report on Nuevo Estilo Boliche on Saturday Night
The place was packed on Saturday night and I chanced to meet one Malena (who was sent over to sit in my lap by Dickhead who then proceded to tell me she had picked me out of all the men in the place. Even if it was a damn lie, it was enjoyable. )
The initial attraction of Malena is that she strongly resembles the immortal Laura, the blond cheerleader and wild woman who was dismissed from Nuevo Estilo for being too wild and crazy.
Malena is five inches taller, with the same striking blond hair and pigtails. She is not crazy, but is very amiable and so a trip to the hotel was negotiated for 150 p. and Dickhead and two friends were left to the winds of fate. Malena's service was very good, with dfk, daty, cbj (fairly standard at NEB) and the rest
but no anal. After she was very cuddly and friendly until the hour was up. I would repeat. She does have a number of tattos, so if that is a turn off, she is not the one for you.
I did have a problem with the hotel we went to. In the past the girls used the hotel around the corner and across the street, that hotel had small rooms, but nice showers and was very much like a good love hotel. The one we went to was around the corner and on the same side of the street across the street from the one mentioned above. The rooms were much larger, but the bathrooms were small and although the bed was clean and nicely done, the floor was dirty. Also the halls had a number of men walking about with brooms and mops who were evidently working there, but should not have been seen. They probably would make a new person feel pretty uneasy. Also, there was a knock on the door too early and she called down to complain. I would not return to that hotel and will make that clear to the management of NEB.
Malena indicated that they were no longer using the original hotel. That may have been baloney or not.
JustGotBack
09-19-04, 15:13
Saint, that sucks to hear that Madaho's is charging 30 pesos now. It was just 20 pesos 6 months back. Combine that with the fact that I couldn't get any girl to go below 300 pesos is a deal killer for me. All this puts it in Blacks range and when all is said and done, Blacks is better. Madahos is just not worth going to anymore as far as I'm concerned.
I like the downtown clubs. The talent is definitely not up to the Recoleta clubs in terms of looks for the most part, but you can still find a jewel. More importantly the girls there still think 150-200 pesos is the right price. I think it's really what atmosphere you like. Madaho's and Blacks is more dance club like. The downtown clubs are more old fashion neighborhood dive.
The apartments are the way to go. For the price of one Madaho's girl, you can go to the apartments and get three doubles from two girls that could easily work at Madaho's.
Justgotback,
I totally agree with you. Like I said. I rarely pull girls out of Madahos anymore. Sometimes when a friend is in town I'll go with them to look and I'll just have ONE water and chat with the girls. Some of them have given me their phone numbers but many of them I find won't give you their number unless you leave with them at least one time. My friends asked a few girls and they didn't give them their numbers.
Last night the girl I left with asked for 300 pesos and I of course refused. She didn't leave for less than 2 hours so I couldn't get an hour rate. I paid 250 pesos for about 3 hours which she said is the absolute lowest she would go and I believe her. The thing to do when you can't get them down on price is to negotiate more time. It's marketing 101. They have a fixed number in their head so as long as they get close to it they are happy. If you're getting more time it's not too bad of a price, all things considered. She was the only hot girl in there as far as I'm concerned.
Most girls from Black I can still negotiate down to 300 pesos for a few hours so really they are about the same price now. Madahos is making a killing. They have to be making much more than Black now. I still think the overall quality of girls is better at Black.
There might be a "jewel" to be found in the downtown clubs but so far all I have seen is "coal". I've tried it a number of times since coming down with various friends in town and each and every time most girls I wouldn't leave with for free. I guess that's just me. We all have our certain types and I guess I just can't find it in the downtown clubs.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Sex is a supply and demand type business. As long as there are guys willing to pay the prices, the girls won't back down on their prices. That is the way it has always been and the way it will always be.
Exon Reporting: This News From Saint Is Very Troubleing.
I consider myself to be a Buenos Aires veteran having made my first trip to Argentina before the devaluation of the peso almost three years ago.
Being the despicable Monger that I am, (In DickHeads Class), I had fallen it love with the girls I'd seen on varrious websites including Escorts-Argentina and others. I had to go, for too me as an American it was impossable for working girls to be as beautiful as they appeared on the web.
It was the the 9-11-01 attacks in New York that sealed my fate as the airfare dropped to $500 round trip. So armed with $5,000 dollars in USD cash my 10 day solo trip began.
I had a ball, the time of my life in the most fabulouse city in the world I'd ever been too. I fell in love with Buenos Aires, its culture and of course its women. But the 5 grand I took with me had disappered leaving only plesant memories. B.A. was a little pricey even for big shot mongers such as myself.
Then the delaluation some three months later and instantly Argentina became the mongers meca offering world class service at a fraction of the cost of Mexico, Europe, and other famous world class monger destinations.
This same devaluation has made it possiable for many fellow hard core mongers to move to Buenos Aires and enjoy the good life at a fraction of the price it would cost to be here in sex prison. ( You fellow Mongers know who you are ).
Exon is worried, Were watching inflation creap which effects the affordabilty of Mongering in the most beautiful city with the nices't people in the world.
Each time I return I find that steak in my favorite restaurants a few peso's more, the taxi ride just a little more, the hotel just a few dollars more. Inflation creap.
The price of pussy is a true benchmark of inflation in Buenos Aires. For example, Cafe Orleans my favorite day time hang out, it used to be you could have any girl in the place for $150 pesos, now their quoteing $200. Sure I still have some old friends that will still do me for $150, but for the most part any new relationship is going to cost $200 peso's.
This news about Madaho's is particularly troubleing as I remember two years ago when mens drinks were $20 peso's and 90% of the girls were For Sale for $150 peso's. Even the Super Stars could only command $200 pesos for multiple hours of bliss, sometimes LTN for that kind of money.
Yes this is Recoleta but were seeing it all over town. Course we can still negociate in places like Excedra & New Port with independant's and semi pro's. But over all the price of pussy has gone up. ( reminds me of a story. In the early 1970's I was in a cat house in Wells Nevada durning the gas embargo. The gal I was negociating with quoted some strange new prices. I said "why so high", she came back and stated " Ass And Gas Have Gone Up In Price"). Maybe history is repeating it self.
Anyway Im troubled by Saints report regarding Madaho's. Madaho's being a benchmark or staple of the Mongering world in B.A. and here were looking at 50% precent price increases in about two years, Outrageous.
And Moreover, in my humble option, the talent in Madaho's is not what it was two years ago, yet their commanding $300 pesos and for the most part getting it. Thats $100 US Dollars. Even Jackson admitts to paying $200 pesos in their.
Its no wonder that reputable Mongers such as DickHead, The Mouse and others won't even go to Recoleta.
Some Thoughts By Exon
JackDaniels
09-19-04, 18:43
Are these price increases merely reflecting the overall recovery in the Argentine economy since the days of the devaluation ? It sounds like it. Low prices have attracted mongers, who have effectively bid up the price of chicas and steaks. If the economy continues to improve, the prices will continue to increase. Thinking about it, as I write, why would the economy not improve from here on ?
Would be interested in the comments of the learned gentlemen who read this forum.
Well, I don't know about Black (never been there) or Madaho's (went there once) but I think I get some pretty fine pussy in BA for around 125 pesos. Like Rafaela, Michaela, Barbara, and Jhana from Catto's. Or Lorena from Ness. Or Yesica from Hook. Or Araceli from Exedra. But maybe I am wrong.
Exon,
Yep. The cost of coming here is definitely going up. You'll find that some hotels have raised their prices or are in the middle of raising their prices. Some hotels are planning on raising their rates up to 50% soon. The simple reason is that there are plenty of tourists here and more on their way. Buenos Aires is actively promoting tourism around the world. I read in a local paper that they want to try to increase tourism by over 40% in the next few years. Their main targets are Chile, Brazil, USA, Canada and all of Europe and Asia.
Just the other night I was in a popular Recoleta restaurant with HobbyinHouston. They had a singer and she went around the entire restaurant asking where everyone was from. The restaurant was packed. Believe it or not, we were the only Americans in the entire restaurant. The rest were from Brazil, Chile, Uruguay, Paraguay and Europe. It's not just more Americans that are coming here. It's everyone.
Sometimes mongers think we are such a huge number. We might be a sizeable amount of people but it is very very small compared to just ordinary businessmen and other tourists coming to Buenos Aires. This isn't a town like Rio where the locals just assume if you are middle aged, not traveling with your wife that you are a monger. That isn't the case here and I love Buenos Aires for that.
You guys can try to "boycott" places like Madahos or Black but IMHO, it will do very little good. Go to Black or Madahos on any given night. It's NOT filled with tons of Americans. It's filled with locals. That's the reason why it's so dead on Saturdays. Madahos and Black are a 'cheaters' hangout. Many locals come here after work during the week. Black is mostly comprised of wealthy locals and businessmen staying at the Alvear Palace.
I've been coming here very often the past 2.5 years. I definitely see a trend and I think that trend will continue. Buenos Aires is still a relatively affordable destination but you have to factor in the costs of an expensive airplane ticket, hotels/apartments, dining out, etc.
It does bother me a little that mongering is more expensive but I don't monger too much like you guys so it doesn't affect me too much. The people here are still some of the friendliest in the world. Just today, Kickstand and I were having lunch at Grant's in Recoleta. An elderly lady asked me where the ice cream was. She was surprised that I could understand her and she asked if I lived here. I told her I do now but that I am American. Kick Stand was next to me and she smiled and told us how we were such beautiful Americans. It's that kind of feeling that I love about being in Buenos Aires. You just don't get that in many parts of the world. That's the reason I'm living in this city. Not for the sex.
I also agree with you about the quality across the board. Not just in the Recoleta clubs but in all the clubs here in Buenos Aires. The quality has steadily gone down over the years. MANY girls have headed to Europe or Mexico City. Just today, an amiga from Madahos called me. She is coming here in a little bit to my apartment and will go out to dinner with Kick Stand and I. She told me how this foreigner is taking 8 of the hottest girls from Madahos and flying them next week to Cancun, Mexico to work until December. She is included in these 8 girls. This isn't just a one time occurence. This will happen more and more.
Guys might complain about the price of sessions here but in the grand scheme of things, it's still not expensive compared to other areas in the world. Most of these girls will easily get $300 US per hour in Cancun. Trust me. I can speak from experience.
The thing of it is...you guys couldn't expect prices to stay so low forever. There still are affordable places. Read Dickhead's posts. He seems to find good value. I'm just not sure how the quality is. I've tried some of the places he goes to and just can't find what I'm looking for the times I have been there.
Exon Reporting: DickHead I would appreciate a few comments from You as our resident Economist regarding Jack Daniels post.
I personally blame it on President Bush and his policy of letting the dollar go to hell against the Euro in order to save the US economy so he can be relected.
Remembering that the Peso was pegged against the dollar but most of the money spent in Argentina is from Europe. And the Euro has been kicking the dollar's ass for sometime now.
Exon
Latina Addict
09-19-04, 18:58
Well Jack Daniels,
My objective and experienced opinion is that we are our worse enemies. We (not me) arrive in paradise from sex prison with worthless Gringas and go nuts with the beauties in Baires and give them pretty much what they want. Ya know what? I think I ma underpaid by about 200k a year, but I cannot and do not get it. The chicks need to be brought down to earth. When a cab driver makes 700 to 1000 pesos a month after expenses, and raises a family on this income, that 100 dollar an hour or even all night long piece of ass, is totally ludicrous.
Like I have said many times before, I met a solid 9.5 at Newport last summer and had great honeymoon sex all night long till noon for 150 pesos. THAT is even high by my standards but not nearly so rediculous.
Ok now guys, remember, this is just the opinion of Latina Addict and in no way reflects the opinions of the man Jackson. Although, I know for a fact Mr. J himself is EXTREMELY upset about what some of us did to some of his ex favorite boliches by raising the prices.
Latina Addict
Saint,
You have only been in B.A. for 6 weeks. Give yourself a chance to catch up on your mongering. Once your businesses are up and running so should your mongering. Don't despair just yet. You set the bar pretty high for most of us out here over the last 2 years. Few of us could keep pace with your " carousing " thoughout the world. You were non stop. A 6 week break is a good thing!
I expect that you will be back in your old form in a few short months.
Starfe
Starfe,
You know me better than probably anyone. Maybe you are right. While I don't see myself "hobbying" too much, when it comes down to it I love having sex with various gorgeous model quality girls. I always have and I suspect I always will. That's why I don't consider myself a good candidate for ever getting married.
It's very easy for me to meet normal beautiful girls here. My biggest problem is that I get bored easily and let's face it. These hobby girls can be pretty exciting. Also, some of the hottest non-pros here are even higher maitenance, believe it or not, than US girls. We'll see what happens. Stay tuned....
Saint
P.S. Latina Addict, you can't compare what a taxi driver makes or any other type of job to what these girls make. Once a "taxi driver" starts to make you feel as good as one of these girls makes you feel then you can start comparing what each one makes. (And if that happens I'd be really scared..ha, ha). Some of you forget that these girls have a really tough job. Yes, it is a job. You can't compare what the typical wage is for a worker vs. one of these girls working. Honestly, if we were one of these girls working in one of these clubs we would charge as damn much as we could get as well. Just something to think about...
Decamerone
09-19-04, 21:21
Inflation is almost zero in Argentina. Rise is chica-prices is due to an increased tourism/ foreigner mongering.
The prices for chicas where very low 2002-2003 but now they have reached their "normal" level. The Argentine economy has stabilised. There still exist inflation, but it is due to secondary-factors like taxes, increased costs for imports etc.. The important thing is that the underlaying inflation in the economy is at a level that predicts almost pricestability. This is at an macroeconomic level. But it should follow that prices for personal services, which are mainly exposed to the Argentines', like restaurants, taxi, sex etc..should be stabilised.
Mongers should consider the above basic facts. But chica price might have risen for tourists as an effect of our much more frequent visits to Argentina since the devaluation. Our respond to this must be to join the local boards at Yahoo and Bairesgirls(...and maybe there are more of thoose). I have followed the boards at Yahoo and Bairesgirls and I can not agree with the idea that the prices continue to rice. Macroeconomic facts still tells us that the unemployment rate is very high and that wages do not increase much at all. Fellow mongerers- DO NOT PANIC. Argentina seems to have gained pricestability at an exchange-level that is very favourable for foreigners. Look at http://www.indec.gov.ar/ for more information.
My advise for not going right into tourist traps are;
1. Learn spanish at least basic level.
2. This will bring you a new dimension of the mongering scene in Baires which gives you access to the information how to find young good looking girls at prices still very low.
Chicas have learned through the Latin Chica Network to pull up prices for foreigners. With the right information you can aviod the most obvious tourist traps.
I hopes this helps,
Decamerone
Late Night
09-19-04, 21:31
Saint,
you said >>>That's why I don't consider myself a good candidate for ever getting married.<<<
oh no!! don't say that!! I have (among everyone else here) have the same problem!!!:)
JustGotBack
09-20-04, 00:58
I agree with you all who have said that the quality is decreasing in BA. My first trip 2.5 years ago, I was walking around with my mouth hanging open. But now, the girls you settle for were the ones you wouldn't give the time of day to before. There were much hotter girls around. Sure you can still find the occassional 10, but it's far and few in between. What has kept me coming was that it was cheap compared to other places in the world. But know, with the price creep, high flight prices, higher hotels, etc, etc. It's just not what it once was. My tastes run toward the European ideal of beauty. And many places in Europe are a good alternative again. What with the bar fee and the 300 pesos price, that's about as much as an hour with a absolutely hot girl in Edinburgh who would be just as friendly and wild. In fact the wildest girls I've been with have been Scottish. The only part that sucks is that it's fun to hang around BA while not in bed. Scotland, is a little less exciting.
I'm thinking about going to Rio this time instead. I've never been there before and from what the people say in the Rio thread, it's still reasonable.
JustgotBack,
Yep. I've always been straight. The sex scene in BA is not the greatest anymore. It's still good but not what it was. That's the God's honest truth. I also consider the European bombshell type to be the most beautiful girl.
Rio sex scene beats BA hands down. No questions. Especially with the termas. The internet girls in Rio are not as good, IMHO but you have Help Disco which can be pretty amazing but I hear that prices have crept up there too.
Europe is expensive but there still is some value in places like Prague where I found some hot girls in apartments. Lugano, Switzerland is a very expensive town but had some of the hottest girls out of any club I've been to in the world. Many Brasileras and girls from Russia, Hungary, Czech Republic, Colombia, Italy and even Argentina. I loved the variety. I posted a trip report in that section. But it isn't the city you go to if you're only looking for sex.
BA is still BA though. There will always be some action here but I think the glory days from right after the devaluation are gone forever. While everyone is complaining about the prices for sex here the hottest girls are still leaving because they can make much more in other places.
Beating the Golden Goose to Death,
Just don't blame me for any of the girls leaving. I always pay the the fair market price ( maybe 25 u.s. more a pop ). All this nickel and diming by so many posters here has helped to ruin the market. So many of you who are beating these girls down for a few pesos have been killing it for the rest of us. It works both ways. I am so sick and tired of reading about how cheap someone paid to get laid. You make US look like the cheap whores. For those still chasing price all the time, Bangledesh is wide open for you.
A little more generousity would keep more girls in town but most of you are just to stupid to think ahead.
In Italy they have a nickname for you're type
" SHIT FOR BRAINS "
Starfe
Hi, Guys:
I'm not going to be in Buenos Aires from September,23rd to October,5th.
So for the translation service/ the appointments with the girls, you'll need to contact Mayra at MY CELL. PHONE: 155 103 3905, I will leave it with her.
You can email me, I will check my emails once a day. But for appts. while I'm not there it will be better for you to call Mayra at my cell. phone directly.
Kisses, Roxana.
Starfe:
I don't think that girls looked for greener pastures because of foreigners bargaining. Visitors still encomprise a very small fraction of mongers, being the locals the mainstream source.
Andres
Andres,
On my flight back in July there were 8 guys in first class who went down on a hunting trip for birds. All big dollar guys who were pullling girls out of Blacks and the other joint ( 2 or 3 per person ). They make this trip 4 times a year. A lot of it has to do with the girls. These are not posters . I would not under estimate the buying power of the visiting foreigner. This was just 1 group. I assume there are many more like them coming from the United States. I would like to think that helps to balance out those that pay per minute. You need the high rollers in every city. It also keeps the girls off balance knowing they could hit a jackpot at any given moment!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As a side note; I used to watch my father buy me callgirls at the Desert Inn in Vegas while he played Bacarat. I was a mere 18 at the time ( 69-72 my college years ). Now that's what I call shopping.
I just used to " point and click "
Starfe
Starfe,
You are right about the need for high rollers: it works out the same in any society. I have sat amongst some real players: serious money, on a flight to Paris so I know what you mean. There are pros and cons here, but in the final analysis people will spend what they want. One mans $50 is another mans$5 and so the world turns.
Whilst at college, my father brought a pack of condoms for me and asked me if I knew what they were and how to use them. He added that all he wanted me to bring back form college was my education: grandchildren could wait. You are one lucky man with a father such as yours!
Regards,
Havanaman
". . . All this nickel and diming by so many posters here has helped to ruin the market. So many of you who are beating these girls down for a few pesos have been killing it for the rest of us"
Paying $50,000 for a car with a $25,000 list price isn't being generous. You are merely viewed as a "Chump" by the salesman and instead of generating respect and appreciation, you get more distain. What most people suggest here is to know the market and the going market price. Be fair, but over-paying makes little sense and I have seen it lead to worse service and attitude. As Jackson and others have pointed out repeatedly, there is no real connection between price and service. The under 100 peso girl is just as likely to provide great service as a 300 peso girl. The "Rich American Chump" or Sugar-Daddy syndrome is worse for the vast majority of mongers than being too cheap. Try to use a little charm, personal attention and a fair market price instead of relying only on a fat wallet. The results are usually better . . . Just my 2 cents.
Peace -P
I agree with Andres. I know some of these girls leaving for greener pastures. As Andres mentioned, the action here is still mainly comprised of locals. Look at places like Rio with TONS of tourists and still the hottest girls are going to Europe. They want EUROS and US$ not Pesos or Reals.
I somewhat agree with Prokofiev but I disagree when he says it's like "paying $50,000 for a car with a list price of $25,000". Sex isn't like that. It's more like buying a diamond with no set price tag. The diamond is worth only as much as someone will pay. Some know the ins and outs of buying a diamond and some don't. Some just walk into a store and buy it because they have the money while the smarter consumer will let the seller of the diamond know that it's overpriced and try to reach a fairer price.
Girls are realizing what they are worth in other parts of the world. That's all. They realize they can invest $1,000 in a flight to Europe or Mexico and can maybe make that make in 1-2 days then make big money. These girls here don't need a visa to visit Europe so it's very easy for them. I just talked to two more girls I know that are heading to Spain in a month. Honestly, I don't blame them. It's like us. Would you stay in the same city if you knew you could go to Europe, do the same exact job you are doing here (maybe even easier there since sessions are VERY quick) and you would make 4/5/6 X your salary?? I doubt it. Think objectively and subjectively when you think about all of this. Not just how much more YOU are paying.
Too many guys look at the hobby as Me, me, me. Think of things more in terms of what would you do if you were the girl. It will help you understand them more. All you guys think that these girls are making "easy money". They probably have the toughest job in the world. I've said it before and I'll say it again. We are all not Prince fricking charming. Most of us have sisters or daughters. So needless to say we wouldn't want to see them doing this profession because it's NOT as easy as guys make it appear. These girls are angels for doing what they are doing.
The quality of girls in Buenos Aires is extremely poor and everybody should stay away. Go to México instead. The girls there are much better looking and a much better value.
Just my opinion.
DH,
Must be difficult to talk with your tongue stuck in your cheek that way.
Saint,
"I somewhat agree with Prokofiev but I disagree when he says it's like "paying $50,000 for a car with a list price of $25,000". Sex isn't like that. It's more like buying a diamond with no set price tag. The diamond is worth only as much as someone will pay. Some know the ins and outs of buying a diamond and some don't. "
But the point of the WSG Forum is to EXPLAIN the ins and outs of buying a "diamond". That's one of the most useful things here - it establishes the fair market value in each location by comparing what each guy paid. Information is power. Yes, there IS a set price tag -more or less- on each "piece" and we are here to reveal that oh-so-important bit of secret info.
What costs DickHead 100 pesos might cost me 150 because I'm not going to cook dinner or use a vibrator and it might cost another guy 200 cause he doesn't speak Spanish or bargain. That's cool. But when someone grossly overspends after reading this forum, he's not helping himself or his fellow mongers. And especially not the local guys who can't compete. And worst of all, instead of looking generous, you can wind up looking like a target or a "mark" to the girls.
Starfe,
"For the record my sister and my mother were both working girls at 1 time or another"
"I used to watch my father buy me callgirls at the Desert Inn in Vegas while he played Bacarat. I was a mere 18 at the time . . ."
Does that mean what it sounds like?? You had one hell of a childhood . . .
Peace -P
Prokofiev,
The mother - sister part was over the top but not the Vegas part.
You are right about being at a major disadvantage by not speaking spanish. That makes my negotiating skills nil if they speak very little english. Time is a major constraint, so I am not willing to walk away from a nice piece of tail for that reason. I have certain goals in mind on every trip.
85% of the girls i see on any given trip are from Area - vip ONLY. All are booked through the front desk at Loisuites. I love that staff.
Starfe
MiddleAgeGuy
09-20-04, 18:55
Regarding Quality and the Exodas:
Common sense tells you that many cannot/will not leave BA due to family condition, ability to get visa's, fear of unknown, etc. I have talked to some who have gone to more lucrative pasteures but they come back; they get home sick I think.
Prices are up:
Agreed, but it beats the 1:1 days. Through conversations with some of the girls, some over a period of time, the chica network is stronger than ever. It doesn't take more than 1 or 2 of their buddies to latch on to a sugar daddy type, or someone/someplace where the fees extracted are off the norm scale, and the girls feel they deserve and have the right to the same. Can they get it? Maybe. If not? Back to the old haunts/regulars where they may become miserable because they are not getting what they want.
Other Recoleta clubs.
I have not heard much of the other places in Recoleta lately besides Black, Newport and Madaho. Any news?
MAG
Well! It seems the price topic has gotten real attention. Why am I not surprised? I have been trying to fight the tourist mentality for some time. My conclusion is, we can't win(the non-tourists) because we can't eliminate the tourist mentality(the guy who comes with $US5000 to spend in 10 days and spends it). He is the same guy who goes to Las Vegas and loses it in the casinos, or the thieving strip joints. He has no interest in value, only really in spending the money. For this reason, there always grows an industry willing to help him spend it for the least value. If we can direct these tourists to the tourist exploiters, they will do less harm.
I am not a tourist. I am a world traveller. I travel all the time, and expect to do so as long as my health allows me. While I have a generous budget compared to almost everyone here, I care about price and quality. I have a goal to have a woman TLN every day, 365 days a year, if possible. I am late 50's, I like women of 20. It doesn't work to try to marry one(see below), so it only works to pay cash per performance. Often I see the same women over periods of weeks, like DH. But $ar50 is important when one pays it every day, so I can't have the vacationer-tourist's attitude, and wouldn't want to have it.
Yes, Black and Madahos are destroyed. Sex in these places are rising to world value, to where the tourists resist paying more. We have to get used to that. The same thing is happening to the popular web sites. As to why world prices are what they are, "Latina Addict" and Prokofiev have the right idea. The tourists are overpaying. Starfe, I also bought women in Las Vegas starting in 1971. I could take nice talent from Ceasers Palace for $75 then. The brothel price was $35 north of Vegas. Things have changed in the US, mostly as they got tougher on the prostitution trade and tourism increased. I wouldn't touch Las Vegas now. But yes, you are bringing the tourist mentality with you to BA. For you, it really doesn't matter much between Lois Suites and Black in BA and the Hotel Bristol and Le Palace in Panama City. You plan to spend whatever you can afford to bring, with no regard for value or market conditions. Which makes you perfect for the tourist exploiter.
Sex prices in the rich nations are set by monopoly price fixing. The price is basically marriage, and the monopoly is maintained by law. This gives sex an extremely high value. So high that most people in these countries don't get much. Just as I didn't when I lived in the US(even as a good income executive for years). Sex simply wasn't worth the price in the US. It got a lot worse for me in PA after the passage of the Berkowitz rape law(its rape if she says it is, even if force or threats were not involved). This has to be added to the price of sex. An ACCUSATION costs at least $100,000 to defend, so extortion is a real concern if you have anything to lose. So there were a great many days I would have gladly dropped $500 on a decent quality woman just to feel her up without risk.
You will also note that all of the English speaking countries of the world are among the worst, followed by Japan. The US is the absolute worst. You can thank the long influence of women(like Queen Victoria) in the governance and religion of these countries. Which is why Americans are so driven as sex tourists.
So the world price of sex has more to do with the disposable vacation income of the sex tourist than its value in the rich countries, since the value of sex in marriage is outrageously high, more than half your income/year for whatever your wife sees fit to give you, out of the goodness of her heart. And you are trapped, because the price of divorce is even more ridiculous. The price of sex in a dating relationshop is also ridiculous, since the woman is usually interested in trapping you into marriage on top of the other costs.
As to the value of sex as a job for the women sex workers, it really does have to do with the income levels of the community where they live. Saint, you seem a nice guy, but we really part on this issue. You keep going on about the difficulty of this job. Crap. This is what women do for a living everywhere. Usually, we call the job "wife", with pay as above. Is cleaning the bathrooms of apartments so much better? Or washing the feet of fat wealthy women in beauty spas? Or washing the shit off the behinds of old people in nursing homes? Cleaning up vomit in hospitals? Or working picking crops in the sun, working as a waitress in a cafe? These are the jobs with "dignity" for the poor young women. Give me a break. The real reason there aren't more women jumping to do this is "see monopoly", above. The older and upper class women are desperate to try to keep young, pretty, poor women from taking advantage of their greatest asset in a free market. So they try to force a poor, pretty, young woman to marry a poor man and work in one of the jobs above(IN ADDITION TO THE JOB OF SERVICING HER HUSBAND), thereby avoiding competition with her.
Saint, notice how in the discussion about paying a maid(in Living in Argentina) to clean the crap out of your bathrooms you sing a totally different tune about overpaying and tipping. Is her job so great? Why do you want to tip the bartenders at Madahos, who did nothing but rip you off; more than your maid who works so hard for you?
Currently, I see a 21YO woman 4 nights a week, TLN 9-9 for which I pay her $ar150/night. At $ar600/week, this woman is in heaven. She never hoped to make so much in her life. Where a waiter makes maybe $ar250/week for a 10 hour day, or a store clerk $ar100/week? I am actually very generous with her in this market. My greatest concern is the effect on her when I have to end the relationship.
The proper solution to this is to use this forum to monitor and study the market and then behave and pay accordingly. This forum is interesting, because it gives one the opportunity to obtain information that is usually only available to a native of some time in an area. When a newbie asks for information to avoid the tourist traps, they are asking for information that normally is only acquired with difficulty and local experience. But there is a responsibility that comes with that information. That responsibility is basically to behave the way the people who acquired that information behaved, i.e. as veteran or local, so one doesn't create tourist exploiters. So they really need to study all that is available.
This is a very practical issue for me. I am, and plan to continue, travelling in out of the way areas. Like Andres does in BA. I have been posting, and much of the info is, and will be, new to the travellers. But should I really give out this info, and thereby invite a bunch of people to come to these places and attract the tourist sharks, thereby ruining it for myself in the future? Andres just got a taste of this when some people immediately took one of his fresh, new, young recommendations in an apartment over to Madahos to look for more money. I fully expect him to stop posting local info in this forum at any time if this crap continues. I would mourn the loss, since for me his info is amoung the most valuable.
The main reason I haven't stopped posting already is that I don't believe the continuous readers of this forum are the greatest culprits, particularly the more experienced travellers. This forum has been disparaging Madahos for months as becoming overpriced, and they just raised their prices. So obviously they have a lot of customers who don't agree with this forum. Instead, I cringe every time I hear about Moondog and his writeup praising BA in other forums as a great destination. I have never read any of them, but I have read every one of his postings here 4 times, using the search function. He has continually promoted the web sites(escorts-argentina and Platinum especially) and little else. Worse, he has been a constant advocate of increasing the price of the web women to the insane $ar300/hour(supporting the $US-$ar confusion ripoff), and overpaying in other ways. And I cringe when I have read for over a year Roxanne's explanatory post that the average price of internet women is $ar150-$ar200, clearly promoting overpaying. Many of these same women work from apartments for $ar80 or less. I think that those people have much greater influence on the newbies, who don't bother to read the volumes of stuff here, than I do.
But I still think about it every time I prepare a post on another city. And it is why I won't directly answer a newbie who asks: "Can you tell me where to go and what to do so I don't have to study at finding out thru the forum?". If one gives this person local knowledge, this is simply inviting problems. Leave these people to the tourist exploiters. Send them to Madahos, Black, Roxanne, escorts-argentina, and platinum.
We can expect that BA will further develop 2 markets, a tourist exploiting market that is well known to the tourists, and a secondary, locally priced market. The primary issue is how to support knowledge of the secondary market without inviting the "tourist mentality" types who would destroy it. This is a very small industry. The main clubs only have a total of less than 200 working women. The popular apartments less than 100. It doesn't really take many people to create a problem. The other cities are even smaller. Interestingly, especially in the Argentina forum, I like the fact that the real info is buried in so much garbage. I wish Andres did NOT have his own forum. It makes it too easy to find his valuable local info.
Wow. Well, I can't agree with everything you are staying, I like how you are analyzing the situation. Interesting post.
ChicagoBoy23
09-20-04, 20:02
I used to love Madaho's and Recolleta. Last visit it was all Catto's, Cafe Exedra, and good old DH Maria's who works street near Galleria Pacifica. Little more inconvenient and not as nice atmosphere as Madaho's but still pretty and GFE women.
Remember lets only pay for value because the chase is as much fun the actual kill. The educated monger will only pay market. Of course there is the experience curve.
I know BA well and keep to 150 pesos. Was just in Lima and did same night 1 and 2 but got ripped off (price) at MP at major hotel on #3 Sunday morning because of bad market knowledge and limited time to search.
Amen to all of that, Brother Lexton.
JackDaniels
09-20-04, 20:03
Well, I half agree with Lexton but I think he is naive if he expects the "local" market to remain a secret for long. There will be some movement of both girls from the local market to Madahos and Blacks, and tourists in the opposite direction. Also the owners of the places that supply the local market will soon be attracted to the dollars in the touristy places and they surely will make some moves to get some of those dollars if they are in any way entrepreneurial.
My original question to the readers of this forum is whether the improved economy since the devaluation days has increased prices and the answers appear to be unequivocal that it has.
Sadly, the arrival of the bigger budget tourist will produce inflationary pressures in this smaller market, however the arrival of these tourists is not at all surprising, given the more benign economic climate in the country.
On the other hand the increase in prices will surely attract other suppliers into the market (both new clubs and more girls). This too is inevitable.
Just MHO.
We don't have to agree on everything. We all have our opinions and that is fine and dandy.
Lexton makes some great points but I still disagree with him on some of his points. When he says, "this is what women everywhere do for a living"... he is WAY off the mark, IMHO. This is NOT what women do everywhere. Until I read that Lexton is sleeping with overweight, drunk, older, and ugly women with BAD hygiene then he can tell me that this job is easy. (I'm in no way saying this is the make up of WSG members but look around at some of the clubs you are in). Like I said before, this job aint easy. Not to mention the emotional toll it takes on them. No way in hell I could do this job. Not for all the money in the world. I still remember one day in 2002 at a party Jackson threw at his apartment. I sat next to this guy that smelled like sh*t. He had the worst hygiene of anyone I ever met in my life. Every single person in the party was talking about it even days after the party. How that guy got any girl to sleep with him is beyond me. And some guys wonder why they get no "GFE".
We can all say that sex isn't free. We pay in some way. That is true. But that's totally different than saying that "every girl sleeps with anyone with money". Two totally different things. Most model hot girls in the USA and Europe won't just sleep with you because you have money. This is the single biggest problem I think with the mindset of many guys that hobby. They lose sight of reality and think that everything in life and sex revolves around money and ANY girl is available for a few $$. I just read on another private board (CH) some guy that posted the reality is he can sleep with ANY girl he wants. I posted a correction. No, he can sleep with any prostitute he wants. There is a huge difference.
As far as tipping the maid. I do that too. Something interesting was a few weeks ago when I was at the WSG mansion. There were some girls there that Captain Dave hired for the photos of the Mansion. Andres was talking to them and I think one of the girls mentioned that she would rather clean houses and make 5 pesos an hour then sleep with guys for money. That is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. Not every girl will sleep with just any guy that has money. That is the point you have to remember. There are FAR more girls like that in the world then the girls that we are meeting in Madahos or Black. That IS reality.
The other thing is that someone posted about people like Dickhead paying a lot less. He will have no advantage going into a place like Madahos or Black and he realizes it. That's probably why he doesn't bother to go in. (The fact that drinks are ridiculously expensive probably doesn't help either). I've been with Andres several times to the places he goes. I've been to the places Dickhead goes to. I never have seen the quality that I see in Madahos or Black. You guys can post things like "yeah, but the sex is amazing with these girls". People like me need to have sex with the type we are attracted to the most.
We don't have to agree on everything. Hell, we don't have to agree on anything. That's what makes the world interesting. As far as people bitching about WSG, other people's informative posts, etc. and it causing price increases. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Yes, sites like WSG will cause more people to flock to BA or wherever but these same sites provide valuable information for the active traveler. If you don't want to participate then don't read it or post to it anymore. I still laugh because I'm on a few other private boards. Many people badmouth WSG but they are probably the guys that read it the most. Really funny to me.
Good luck and safe travels to all.
Saint
Ferris Bueller
09-20-04, 20:22
Hi all,
Finally got my regular member status, have been in BA for the last few nights and loving it, only problem is I would have posted this earlier as I was looking for drinking/mongering buddies.
I´m still around in BA tonight and tomorrow (20th and 21st Sep)...staying at Loisuites Recoleta although I may have to move tomorrow..
If anyone is free and wants to hook up please feel free to PM me...alternatively I have a mobile phone provided by the hotel for tonight (4562 4889) so give me a call. I know I´m only scratching the surface of the BA scene as I don´t speak Spanish, and will happily buy a few (many) beers for anyone willing to show a rookie the ropes..
I will also be back in BA on the 28th, as I´m flying back to London on the 29th.
Cheers,
Andy
HappyGoLucky
09-20-04, 21:30
As regards,
"The proper solution to this is to use this forum to monitor and study the market and then behave and pay accordingly."
I second the motion!
-HGL
Lexton said
This forum is interesting, because it gives one the opportunity to obtain information that is usually only available to a native of some time in an area. When a newbie asks for information to avoid the tourist traps, they are asking for information that normally is only acquired with difficulty and local experience. But there is a responsibility that comes with that information. That responsibility is basically to behave the way the people who acquired that information behaved, i.e. as veteran or local, so one doesn't create tourist exploiters. So they really need to study all that is available.
Hats off to you, Lexton. You couldn't have said it better.
I guess that, after Jackson retailors the forum, the local info will only be available for Senior members, thus avoiding the problems created by newbies in off-the-beaten-path places.
Andres
Latina Addict
09-20-04, 23:11
Oh my Gawd lexton! I hereby nominate you as the most eloquent, got your shit together, most objective monger yet. even though Jackson and Dickhead are kings in my book, they have competition in you and, every word you wrote today on 20 sep is gold, 100% true and unrebutable.
The New York Times needs to publish your last post and open people's eyes.
Here here.
Latina AddictE
General Custer
09-20-04, 23:16
I leave the board for a few hours to go to work and return this evening to find our very own monger version of the Lincoln-Douglas debates. I love it. You guys are alright.
Still, it's kind of disconcerting that the week before I make my first trip to BA, we're discussing the end of the glory days there. I have a knack for picking the so-called wrong times to be in mongering locations - Nashville just prior to the lockdown, Cuba post-crackdown, and now BA with its recovering economy and chica exodus. Except I still had a blast in Nashville, with a limitless pool of young talent, and where $80-$150 could land me the cute co-ed I had fantasized about in college, and $200-$300 would land me an all-American blond bombshell or raven-haired Southern beauty who I just wish I could tell my friends I had bedded.
And then there was Cuba, where it was easy to find two cute, playful, and passionate women at a time for several hours, all for the price of a steak at Ruth's Chris. And for $50 to $100, an unquestioned 8 or above on the world-wide monger scale from the clubs. No, there weren't women lined up on the Malecon for miles to see, but there were beauties in Cuba. They're always there. My problem with Cuba was not with the quality of the women, it was with the hoops you had to jump through to get to them.
So I'm still ever the optimist about this trip. Ignorance of past glory truly is bliss. With Cuba not worth the risk of a hefty fine at this point, my frame of reference remains daily life in the United States. Surely, gentlemen, for me the party is about to begin.
GC
General Custer,
My best trip to Buenos Aires was my last trip in July. You are going to see and taste some of the very best women the world has to offer. It still is a once in a lifetime city. Our critique of prices does not take away at all from the pure joy of picking and choosing the love of you're night.
Have a great time,
starfe
Daddy Rulz
09-21-04, 01:33
Ok I have to put in my two cents.
It´s a market. Like any market the suppliers will charge what the market will pay, it really is as simple as that. There is no right or wrong, there is no Latina underground network to drive prices up. They want more from us because we have more money. If you buy a plane ticket on Southern Winds for a flight to Chaco from their US web site they charge you more than an Argentine buying it here because, wait for it, our money is worth 3 times as much as theirs, they have none and we have a lot. I for one accept the SLIGHT tourist tax. If I could get even one of these girls to pay me 10 pesos for the honor of giving me a BBBJ I would take the money, if a different one offered 20 I would let her go first.
If you don´t like the price pass on the girl. (nicely please) and talk to the next one. Ultimatly WE determine the price by what we pay not what they charge.
The thing I always wonder why nobody talks about is the difference in quality. Since I hope we are all folowing Jackson´s excellent policy about paying after and not before. Why does nobody, with the exception of Saint, talk about paying a premium for what you want. I for one come here to have wicked nasty sex with the kind of women that wouldn´t talk to me in sex prison. (Ok except for ¨that will be another $20.00 if you want another dance") My thing is hot blondes that are tits on a stick. If I find the right one I´ll pay more. Bently's cost more than Pontiacs.
Custer makes a great point, I´ve been coming here since Jan 2001, the scene has changed and changed alot but I´d rather be here than Bangladesh.
Just my opinion, have a blast, play safe.
Starfe is absolutely correct. There are still great girls in this town. So much for my not wanting to spend more than last month on my "entertainment budget". Kick Stand and I went to China town to eat then decided to go to Rio Cabana. It might not be the best club for excitement but there are still some damn cute girls in there. The girls don't seem excited until you actually invite them over to sit down. After that they are laughing and all lovely dovey. I've never pulled a bad girl out of here.
It was Kick Stand's last night in town before he heads to Rio. We pulled out two cuties. I pulled out a blondie and Kick Stand pulled out the girl who stole Art Vandaly's cellphone a few weeks ago. She immediately recognized me and told me she was ashamed. At first she tried to claim it was an accident and I basically told her, "come on thief..you got caught," and she just put her head in her hands embarrassed. I told her that she should never do anything like that again.
Kick Stand doesn't speak Spanish but he seemed to be connecting well with his girl. We were all having a lot of laughs. I was cracking some jokes and a bunch of the girls there were laughing. There were a lot of girls working and before we left we were the only clients there. Just before we left a big group of Asian dudes walked in as usual.
Very reasonable prices when you consider that the price for your drink, the chicas exit drink and two hours is 187 pesos before tipping the waitress. Anyway, there are still places to go where you won't spend a fortune. My girl just left. Be careful though. She is like the 3rd girl I caught taking my picture with her camera on her cell phone. Generally I wouldn't allow it but now that I live here and I don't have any one to answer to... I kind of don't care. Those of you that are married might be singing a different tune.
No more hobbying here for a while. I am heading to Montevideo on Friday morning with a new friend I made. No romantic interest in her though. I actually might try to hobby one night as some dude emailed me about some good club there. I'll report back what I find out.
P.S. DaddyRulz, great post. I also wonder why no guys bring up the matter of paying for what you are actually attracted to vs. what you can afford then making excuses. I've talked to Andres before about it and asked him what his favorite type is and he admits it's the girls in Madahos type but that it's just too expensive. Let's be honest. All things being equal with price you would rather pull out a girl from Madahos/Black than Hook or the other cheaper clubs. Hotter girls will always command more. No way around it as far as I'm concerned.
Speculator
09-21-04, 03:08
Allow me to pile on.
General Custer,
Don’t worry about a thing man, your going to have an absolute great time. Cuba was cool, but there is absolutely no comparison to the experiences you are going to have in BA. BA is the whole package. Recoleta is all class. The city is fantastic. In Cuba your guard is way up all the time. BA is serene. You are still going to eat awesome steaks for around $10, and you still can’t screw your way out of BA no matter how much cash you bring. There are just too many chicas that your going to see that “have to get done” before you return home. It’s all good. Enjoy.
I’m off to Rio and SP soon. Should be a blowout!
Speculator
JustGotBack
09-21-04, 03:12
General, don't worry about BA. It's still a great place to be. I would be happy to go there again tomorrow. We're just bemoaning the good old days.
As for the super hot girls leaving. More power to them. Why shouldn't they do the best they can for themselves. I wouldn't want there to be some form of sexual slavery where they are kept there if the can do better elsewhere. How many of us have moved for a better opportunity?
General Custer
09-21-04, 03:48
Thanks fellas. This weekend cannot get here soon enough.
Dodger Bulldog
09-21-04, 03:56
General Custer,
No need for concern. I returned from Bs. As. one week ago, and would love to be in your shoes heading back there next week.
There is an unending supply of beautiful, sexy, compliant women at reasonable prices in Argentina. Compared to what is available in the US, I find it unbelievable that anyone can complain about Argentina in the least.
I did much better concerning prices on my second trip than on my first. My ace in the hole is that I usually get quite a bit of extended time at no cost, because I make a point of being very nice to the chicas. Put on some romantic Latino music, pour a little vino, and talk to them about their lives.
They are used to being treated like a piece of meat, especially by the local Argentine men, so acting like a gentlemen goes a long way. Several commented on how surprised they were that I bothered to walk downstairs and wait with them for their taxi. They are used to men rolling over and snoring.
Following my first trip in June, I took careful notes concerning price, time, and quality, with the specific goal of obtaining much more value upon my return. There is no doubt in my mind that I did much better the second time, and will do better when I return again.
Here is a summary of the prices, time and quality that I experienced during my recent week there:
Location.......Pesos...Hours..Face..Body...'Tude......Perform
1.Orleans.........150.....1.......6........7...........5.............4
2.Orleans.........200.....5.......9........9..........10............9
3.Orleans.........125.....3.......9........9............9............9
4.Excedra.........300.....1.....10........8............6............7
(Moonlighting.....for..............7........7............9............8
from Madahos)..2 chicas
5.Catto's...........100.....2......5........5...........10...........8
6.Apartment......100.....1......7........7.............8...........8
7.Cutty Sark......150.....3......9........8...........10...........8
8.Internet..........150.....1......4........9............9...........8
9.Newport..........200.....1......5......10............9...........9
10.Newport........120.....2......5........5............6...........5
11.Orleans.........150.....2......6........8...........10.........10
As you can see, I definitely favor the cafes. I think that an unrushed, intimate conversation is the best predictor of a successful denouement. I spoke to many chicas that I passed on because things just weren't clicking between us.
It is clear to me that there is no correlation between the cost per hour and attitude and performance. Also, I think that on the whole I am a much tougher grader than most other mongers that I met in Bs. As.
DB
My heart bleeds for those mongers that lament and curse the recent influx of cash and tourists into Argentina, a country so long in dire need of an economic boost.
How dare the Argentinian Minister of Tourism blatantly promote this beautiful country knowing full well that the invading hordes of tourists will jeopardize the staked out claims of mongers proclaiming this city to be the land of 150 peso pussy. What a monumental lapse in foresight to not realize that the tourism and sex industries are so intertwined that it's downright impossible for one to prosper without the other.
I truly empathize with those mongers so compelled to place their own personal financial limitations above those of an entire country, but hey, such is life and free enterprise.
By the way, while some may "cringe" at Moondogs past postings I must admit they truly piqued my interest in BA and led to my initial visit shortly after the devaluation. I for one have always respected the posters who supply detailed informative posts on all aspects of life, rather than the banal rantings of a few, hellbent on imposing their view on how things should be done. Enough already with the artificial distinction between so called newbies and veterans when all it really boils down to is common sense, maturity and respect. Some have it before they ever step foot off the plane while others don't, no matter how many times they return.
General Custer, enjoy your trip. Actually this Quantity, Quality and price discussion resurfaces about every six months or so. There is more than enough to keep most anyone happy in BA initially. Sometimes however the novelty wears off for some and there is nothing left but to complain and reminisce about the good old days.
Robert Palli
09-21-04, 04:20
The sad thing is that Europe and Canada isn't too expensive. Just go read about my reports on Montreal and Quebec City. In England, you can get laid with a stunning girl for like 150 dollars or like 450 pesos. So it's not that bad considering it's like almost the say for a stunning girl in BA when it should be a lot less. So these girls leaving ba thinking they'll make more, probably won't. Since there's a lot more competition in europe. Just check the escorts listings in England. There's like a million of girl from all over the world. They're basically giving up a good market for a worse one. That's usually what happens when u get too greedy. I'm not putting them down or anything. I'm a greedy fellow too. It's just what greed does to you.
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Robert Palli
09-21-04, 04:45
And the sad thing is that this is a sex prison. Your only choice is to get married and then get divorced. What the hell?
Robert Palli
09-21-04, 04:52
Sorry to keep blabbering, but I hate this gringa prison and can't wait to go to brazil or baires. Even if you are willing to go for a less good looking girl with a great personality or so you think, it doesn't end up that way. They're all cons!
Daddy Rulz
09-21-04, 06:05
Field report 20 Sept
Had a great dinner with Roxanna, as everybody else says She is a wonderful Companion. I would recomend Her without reservation for tours or setting appointments.
Started out at Newport for old times sake, first mongering I ever did in BsAs was here and the bands usually are decent for cover bands. 15 chicas and 50 guys (Monday night/Tuesday morning so I know it wasn´t the best time) of the 50 guys most were older N. Americanos and pretty drunk. Didn´t see a thing I liked so I left after my Cortado I was there about 15 minutes.
Went to the triangle,
Ness: scary, ugly old chicks
Cattos: Ton of talent mixed variety. Talked to a Porteña named Anna Marie or Marie Anna. Nice sweet but not my type (nice and sweet). After she walked away I was sort of serial assulted by a barrage of different young fat chicks, the Solid Gold gambit would probably be good defence. Stayed about 30 minutes hoping something I couldn´t refuse would walk in but to no avail and I got tired of hiding my head under my jacket so I left.
Excedra:
Normal night, mostly Madura´s (probably spelled wrong, the older chicas) There were two promising ones that I spoke to on the way out, mid 20´s exotic look, both long dark dark hair, one light skinned the other dark. I asked them if they did each other and they said yes but it would be 300 pesos an hour for both. I didn´t have that kind of cash in my pocket, and don´t really like to hit an ATM with chicas in the cab. So I got a number and said I would think about it. Either one was doable at 150 pesos per hour. My thinking was that about the same quality could be had at 1707 or 30 pesos less.
1707
I got here at 2:30 or so. Only 4 girls available I didn´t like either one and the hostess said two more would be free in 10 minutes so I waited. Good thing, both were fine. Again I inquired into both and it was 300 peso an hour (that´s my thing two chicks) again didn´t have enough money so I took Fernanda, good choice. 120 pesos later we were saying howdy in the big room next to the bathroom. I like to spend a little time talking because I think the little effort pays off in chica preformance. Got down to business, very good quality BBBJ followed by DATY. I also dig DATY and she seemed to as well. Somebody knocked on the door and asked if she was ok, because she was being kind of loud. Did multiple positions but I was unable to finish due to lack of foresight on my part. The house condom there is the industrial thickness tulipan. I can´t feel any poontang through them and they never fail to tighten up on the head of my unit causing extreem pain. Personaly I can´t hit the high note while my dick is being bent in half so I gave up on the idea and just hung out for the last 15 minutes talking. Over all it was a fun experiance and I would choose Fernanda again, the problem was me forgetting my own equipment. Those condoms fucking suck.
The scene has changed a bit since April but I still had a good time.
Lexton said in an earlier post:
Instead, I cringe every time I hear about Moondog and his writeup praising BA in other forums as a great destination. I have never read any of them, but I have read every one of his postings here 4 times, using the search function. He has continually promoted the web sites(escorts-argentina and Platinum especially) and little else. Worse, he has been a constant advocate of increasing the price of the web women to the insane $ar300/hour(supporting the $US-$ar confusion ripoff), and overpaying in other ways. And I cringe when I have read for over a year Roxanne's explanatory post that the average price of internet women is $ar150-$ar200, clearly promoting overpaying. Many of these same women work from apartments for $ar80 or less. I think that those people have much greater influence on the newbies, who don't bother to read the volumes of stuff here, than I do.
Lexton,
You remind me of the guy who has been living in the city most all of his life, and suddenly “discovers” a small mountain town and decides to move there. Now everybody else is called a “flatlander,” and soon he becomes in favor of no more growth, as this is his private town now, and too many others will ruin it for the “locals.”
I wrote my BA Guide and keep it updated to help the new guy get around in BA for the first time. The emphasis is on the high points such as the clubs in Recoleta, the triangle, and the cafes. A few others are thrown in as well. It gives the new guy a good start on where to go and what to expect, who to contact for apartments and arrangements, and nothing more. You do not have to worry about the guide giving out your secrets of filthy apartments and dive establishments to meet budget girls. Yes you can meet the same girl in a brothel downtown and pay a token amount to get your rocks off, but that is not for everybody. Let the new guy go to the more established clubs first and get a feel for the city, then later he will venture out and find other attractions, and maybe even find another $ar50 girl for you. :)
The reason the website of www.escorts-argentina.com is promoted is because of the integrity of the owners, and it is the only one that is 100% wysiwyg. www.platynum.com.ar is also mentioned because it is owned by the same people. Some of the other websites are mentioned, but not promoted.
Overpaying in other ways? Let’s see, maybe these qualify:
Buying a washer/dryer combination to help my girl and her kid, and also buying a round trip plane ticket so that she does not have to hold her kid on her lap for 21 hours on the bus to go visit her family.
How about paying nursing school tuition to help out a very special friend who is making a tremendous change in her life for the better? These are definitely more than the insane price of $100 U.S., so I hope these examples do not offend you too much.
Lexton, you do not have to “cringe,” as most of the “flatlanders” who will be coming to “your town,” will not be taking over the small, dingy apartments anytime soon. You can have those all to yourself. :)
Enjoy the life,
Moondog
OttoGraham
09-21-04, 11:45
Originally posted by Slick1
Actually this Quantity, Quality and price discussion resurfaces about every six months or so. There is more than enough to keep most anyone happy in BA initially. Sometimes however the novelty wears off for some and there is nothing left but to complain and reminisce about the good old days.
Wise observation, Slick. I agree 100%. In fact, I have even caught myself slipping into the trap of "damn, Buenos Aires ain't what it used to be!"
I think the mongering experience of the city is so overwhelming to a first-time visitor, that subsequent trips (when you can gain a sense of perspective and not be totally overwhelmed) might be something of a letdown. In reality, it's just the initial shock of the place wearing off. ;)
Uncle Otto
OttoGraham
09-21-04, 11:55
Originally posted by Saint
The other thing is that someone posted about people like Dickhead paying a lot less. He will have no advantage going into a place like Madahos or Black and he realizes it. That's probably why he doesn't bother to go in. (The fact that drinks are ridiculously expensive probably doesn't help either). I've been with Andres several times to the places he goes. I've been to the places Dickhead goes to. I never have seen the quality that I see in Madahos or Black. You guys can post things like "yeah, but the sex is amazing with these girls". People like me need to have sex with the type we are attracted to the most.
Ditto what Saint says. In fact, I could have copied his entire post and passed it off as my own words. He's right on target.
Uncle Otto
Back in '98 I paid ar$150, same in 2000, 2001, 2002 and 2003 so as far as I can see this trend isn't changing as fast as some people would have it. And I can still go to the provinces and pay ar$80 for a lovely girl so I for one am not about to start getting too worried about the BA/Argentina scene being ruined by this influx of tourism we're seeing. Rest assured that if you visit BA in 2015 you'll find nice girls for ar$150.00. And don't think for a minute that there isn't another devaluation lurking somewhere around the corner that will one day tip the scales back in our favor as did the great 2001 deval.
As for the girls going to Europe, this is a very good thing because everytime one girl leaves this gives a new hottie a chance to step up to the plate for the first time, which is good for all of us who like fresh new faces and bodies. Argentina's farm system for hotties that work in the clubs is probably as good as their soccer development system so let as many girls go to Europe as their little hearts desire.
MiddleAgeGuy
09-21-04, 12:32
It sounds like everyone has voiced their opinions well.
Tito Otto makes a great observation that I have thought about but not voiced. After going to BA a number of times over a number of years, I find waves of different feelings each time I go. Sometimes I am frustrated due to lack of unlimited funds/ below par Spanish/ too much work to do/ difficult choices. Other times I am on cloud nine, with a favorita, a new discovery, a new experience, giving a good service in return. And other times sad, that I cannot stay longer, cannot help some more. One thing remains constant, when I am not there, I want to be there, even if just for a few days.
As for the newbie, I think the place will blow your mind, especially with the help of this board. And I love reading the new experiences. I love reading all the experiences actually. The newbie can experience every level he wants, from Dollys to Black, Websites to Clarin, The Street to the Disco. It's your choice and this site provides the insight.
Speaking of Old and New, someone told me Hippoptamus is open again, (just down from Newport). That was the first club I went to in $ days, and I spend a wad with a goup of guys, and talked to lots of pretty girls, WOW! Then I was introduced to Newport the next night and as I was ussually by myself, found this environment a much lower key/ lower cost/ safer feeling site for my tastes until I found my legs.
So, newbies, be prepared for an unforgetable experience, and don't forget to eat steak and noquis.
MAG
MiddleAgeGuy,
Thanks for the info on Hippo. I used to love that place, but it was expensive. I tried to tell the owner to lower the price of his drinks, and he would have more business, but he would not hear of it. Latin Economics, when things are slow, raise prices. :)
Thanks gain,
Moondog
Tampa Lust II
09-21-04, 16:24
Two Weeks in BA
A summary of two wonderful weeks in BA.
Day 1
I arrive in BA on a Saturday after an all night flight from Bogota, Colombia on Avianca. By the way, I don’t recommend Avianca for overnight flights, the plane that I was on was quite old, the entertainment system didn’t work at all, the seats were so worn that one could actually feel the metal frame in the seat, and this was in Business Class! I can only imagine what coach felt like.
Upon arrival I had an experience that I have never had in all of my international travels…once I cleared customs in BA I went to a local ATM to take out cash, and the damn machine took my card and would not return it. Needless to say that this left me in a slight predicament. Fortunately I have multiple checking accounts that I care ATM cards for and I was able to use another card during the rest of my stay. So beware, caring one card is a risky proposition.
After making it to my hotel (Intercontinental in BA) I checked in and went to bed to get some rest after a very long night. Early in the afternoon I awoke for a date with the infamous Sandy ([Telephone Number deleted by Admin]) who is well reviewed on CH with photos on Platynum. com. ar and a variety of other sites. Sandy is exactly as stated in the other reviews. She is short, fairly petite with nice breast and quite attractive overall. Best of all she is a complete lover with NO rules…and allow full BBBJTCNQNS for those of you that enjoy this sort of finish. She spent 4 hrs with me that afternoon in which we explored everything imaginable and ended after I simply could not offer up any more. The next 6 hrs were spent with me laying in bed icing my poor balls and taking vitamins to try and recover for a brief escapade later that nite.
At around 12am I decided to leave my hotel and check out Cattos which is not too far. I had a session with an old favorite (Sonia: [Telephone Number deleted by Admin]) by the way I posted a review of her in a previous report and erroneously called her Maria, sorry about the mistake). Sonia is from Paraquay…about 5’0” without shoes…full B to small C cup…all natural…hot little body and a wonderful lover. She as Sandy, is very liberal in bed (at least with me she is, although she tells me that she does not offer the same level of service to anyone…this is probably BS but as always YMMV). Anyway, with Sonia I was only able to muster 1 shot on goal (hey that is 4 in less than 12 hrs, a new record for me in my 40’s.) As with Sandy, Sonia took a full BBBJTC / facial for the first shot which was quite a sight.
By the way…one thing to be aware of with Sonia. She will take advantage of you if you don’t lay down the rules up front. I made a mistake of simply asking her to leave with me (Assuming that since we had seen each other before and I was a repeat client that she would take it easy on me and hope for more repeat business, no such luck. She asked for $600 pesos for 2 hrs! Right! I almost laughed in her face. I told her that I was simply not a fool and that she was jacking the price up (she should have been jacking me off again instead!) and we settled on $300 for 2 hrs.
Day 2
Day 2 was uneventful as I decided to get some work done to prepare for work on Monday…basically I sat on my ass and worked all day! I know, a total waste of a day in monger paradise.
Day 3
On Monday nite I decided to check out Madahos where I hooked up with Vibi ([Telephone Number deleted by Admin]) Vibi is about a 7 in the face, but has a smoking little body, short 5’1” approx, with a real bubble but a true hottie in my book (just have to get beyond the face) As with the others, it was an incredible dash for the finish line with me offering up 2 servings of my special java over the course of 2 hrs, the first being my trademark porno finish (BBBJTC with facial) followed by a wonderful dousing of her wonderful ass for shot #2. This girl truly has a wonderful ass and loves to show it off. I really enjoyed her exhibitionistic tendencies which includes giving you ample views of the goods with lots of digits play for your enjoyment. A gem in my book and hopefully one that you will get to experience as well.
Day 4
The days are running together, but I believe that it was Tuesday that I ran into Moondog in BA (he was staying at the same hotel) and he and I went out to have dinner with the webmistress (Adriana) of Escortsbaires and Ricardo who started it and several other websites. We had a wonderful time, both Ricardo and Adriana are great people. Later Jim, Ricardo and I hit Madahos. Jim wasted no time finding his match for the nite. After about an hr, Jim left, Ricardo decided to go home, and, well I decided to take on one more for the gipper. She was a decent experience but I honestly cannot remember her name in information (I think it was Yokira or something like this) but needless to say it wasn’t memorable.
Day 5
For Day 5 I decided to stay in for the night and have some in-call I had contacted Aby (platinum. com) whom Jim had recommended ([Telephone Number deleted by Admin]). Abby is very cute and also a good lover…she has had a kid and has a little softness to her, but has a wonderful body by anyones standard. I actually prefer women like this on many occasions as they are not so hung up on trying to have you see just how hard their ass is or how well defined their abs are…needless to say, we had a wonderful time. The date was for 1. 5 hrs…which was more like an Olympic boxing match. We traded heavy "blows" for over an hr before moving on to the finale. Once again she was a VERY liberal lover and asked for my special grand finale (I love it when the lady ask for it instead of you having to! ) She immediately got on her knees beside the bed while asking me to have a seat. She worked her magic for several minutes, which ended up with me providing her with a wonderful surprise. She and I were quite surprised and somewhat overwhelmed by the extent of things. It was one hell of a pop…actually ended up being 2 pops back to back (something I haven’t mustered for quite some time) and ended up with her on her back laughing her ass off. Needless to say, I was so damn weak that I couldn’t even get up to get to the bathroom to clean up. She was so damn sweet and actually brought warm, wet towels and cleaned me up while I tried to get catch my breath. This experience ended up with her giving me a new name…”lechero” which means "milkman" I wonder why? Anyway, I give Aby a 5 star endorsement…and must thank Moondog for the recommendation/introduction, which started it all.
Day 6
Day 6 was a long day as far as Cork goes, and ended up with me heading back to my hotel at around 7pm. Due to my exhaustion, I decided to order up some room serivce and take a short nap so that I could be ready for some action later on. At around 11pm I got up and headed out the door to my new favorite hang out Madahos. As usual at M’s there was quite a selection and it was damn tough to make up my mind. I went through several young ladies befote settling on a pettite little blonde named Emily. Emily was a sweet heart and wonderful company. After spending way too much money on drinks we decided to head back to the hotel for some real fun. Emily as most of the ladies that I encountered on this trip did not disappoint. She turned out to be extremely passionate in bed, a wonderful kisser, absolutely went wild with DATY and once again, had virtually no limits as far as activities. Once again the first pop was a BBBJTC which I and she greatly enjoyed. In the case of Emily, I did have to suggest the BBBJTC finale however, she left no doubt that she enjoyed it as well, you know what I mean, some ladies will "comply" since one has asked for it but they merely tolerate it, while others demsontrate their sincere enjoyment. Well as in the case of Aby (on day 5) the experience with Emily was simple spectacular! After round one, we relaxed had a few drinks and then slowly warmed up for round 2. This round was much slower, even "tender" if I might be so bold to say so, and ended in a much more conventional manner in missionary with mutual orgasms. UIT the right lady (and Emily is this type) this is truly the ultimate. I invited her to spend the night but due to other obligations she declined although we promised to see each other again later in the week. Emily’s contact information is [Telephone Number deleted by Admin]
Day 7
Day 7 (Saturday) was spent recovering from the long week and trying to get over a GI track problem which reared its head after Emily left earlier in the morning. I literally did not leave my hotel today. I was simple in very bad shape and hended to try and nurse myself back to help. I ended up having to call the front desk and requesting a doctor who showed up about an hr later, she prescribed me some medication which I had the concierge pick up for me, by the following morning I felt much better.
Day 8
On Sunday I did a bit of shopping and had an excellent masaje from Todomasajes. com. I asked for an extremely busto young lady named Belen who showed up about 30 mintues later. Belen is attractive and possesses a huge all natural rack. She is quite short but has a nice body, her masaje was ok. but the extras were very good. She started out with me on my stomach working on my back and then working her way south to my legs, then back up to my ass and nether region which she stimulated with her fingers and tongue. After about 20 minutes on my stomach she asked me to roll over and as you can imagine "he" was standing at full attention. This of course did not go unnoticed by Belen who immediately begin with a BBBJ to get the rest of my attention. Needless to say once the BBBJ started the rest of the masaje went out the window. Belen was a wonderful lover and was quite vocal about what she liked. DATY was her favorite, and she was receptive to all positions and activities. The only thing not traed was Greek due to size sigues, other than that things were perfect. She is quite pettite so some care was needed in certain positions to avoid "lastimandola" but she was pager and willing in all! The finale with Belen was a BBBJ with the "deposit" being mainly on her beautiful tits which she kept licking and massaging until I was completely emptied. After this wonderful time, she stayed an extra tour and finished my masaje. It was quite relaxing and enjoyable but not quite up to par with the best masajes I have had in the orient. Belen’s contact information is [Telephone Number deleted by Admin].
Day 9
Once again the day was spent working with me returning to my hotel at 7pm or so. Again the same routine was followed (room service followed by a nap) from which I emerged and once again headed to Recoleta. I decided to drop by Affaire and Newport to see what I might dig up, but was disappointed and headed to the other side of the cemetery. I decided to go by Solid Gold which had a few lookers but none really warmed me up with a good feeling so I decided to go to Madahos.
Once in Madaho’s I immediately spotted a young dominicana that I had been eyeing with interest the other night. Her name is Carolina or Carol, she goes by both. This lass gentlemen had the best body of the trip. She is somewhat short (5’0” in my estimation) but my god what a body, incredibly natural tits (B-cup) and a full domincan bootie! We immediately hit it off, she very quickly put me at ease that all the activities that I was desiring were on the menu so we immediately left. Without going into too many details let me summarize with it was a VERY long nite…over 3 hrs of "balls to the walls" fucking and sucking…with her taking my very best. This lady was simply insatiable and was the BEST experience of the week. Some times one just has chemistry with a young lady and this was all that and then some. Everything I wanted she was game for including an incredible BBBJTC with full facial porno finish. She even took GREEK in that tight little ass (it was almost impossible to penetrate, but she was willing), the second pop was a full anal finish, and the third was with cowgirl. (for those of you wondering yes I did take some Vitamin V to last that long. As soon as I was done I kicked her ass out the door and collapsed in a heap on the bed. It was 3am and I had to get up at 7am for work! Carolina’s contact information is [Telephone Number deleted by Admin].
Day 10
As you have guessed by now, the day was spent once again working (I know it sucks, but it provides me with an excuse to get to BA for the nite life). Once again I ended up at Madahos. This time I did not really see anything in particular that I was eager to spend the night with so I left and went to Cattos.
At Cattos I saw an old friend, Susana, whom I had spoken with many times but never left with. Tonight she was looking extra fine so I decided to give her a whirl. There are many reviews of Susana on boards (CH, WSG, etc) so I will spare you the details, suffice to say that the reviews are true. She does offer an incredible porno finish to those of you who like this kind of disgusting stuff…like me! Susana stayed about 3 hrs and I gave her $300 pesos. Her contact info is [Telephone Number deleted by Admin].
Day 11
Once again after a long day at work I headed out to Madahos at around 11pm, it was really hopping tonight with lots of tender flesh for the picking…I ran into a hottie named Jacqueline…this was my least memorable date. She was decent looking but in the end was simply not my cup of tea, so chalk this one up to a wasted nite and a waste of $300 pesos. For those of you that want her info her number is [Telephone Number deleted by Admin], In case you are wondering we simply had no chemistry but maybe you will be the lucky one.
Day 12
My last full nite in BA and I was ready to rumble. Once again I headed to Madahos, and it wasn’t long before I was talking to Marcela. Now let me preface this by saying that I was looking for a lady with a bit more of a full figure tonite…something with a little more meat that would simply fuck me silly. Marcela fit the bill…she is carrying a few extra pounds (15lbs in my opinion) that could be lost. I would also discover that she has had a boob job, something which she lied to me about in earlier discussions. However, it would be unfair to characterize this as anything less than a spectacular cdate. She is from mar de plata…and has a beautiful face…her mouth is simply spectacular…this is actually what sold me on selecting her over some other ladies. You know how some ladies simply know how to kiss you to get your motor running…well this is Marcela. She caused me to get a woody from simply kissing me while in Madahos…something that does not happen often. She was a perfect girlfriend/**** in every way. When we made it back to the hotel, we played for over 2 hrs with her cumming atleast 3 times and me 2 twice. Her BBBJTC was the BEST of the trip and would rival that of any past experience…like I said it was her mouth that sealed the deal with me. Every position was explored including GREEK which both she and I enjoyed. My only complaint about Marcela was that at the end she rushed things in order to get back to Madahos…other than the last 15 minutes of the date it couldn’t have been better. As I said she is from Mar de Plata so her cell phone number is from there (she was in the process of getting a new one for BA) [Telephone Number deleted by Admin] She also gave me an email address should any of you wish to email her, email me and I will give it to you.
Day 13
Day 13 was a short day at work with me ending back at my hotel at around 2pm…after a quick phone call Emily was headed over. You will recall is the young lady from day 6…we spent the afternoon together with lots of talk and wonderful sex. She was a wonderful companion and the sex was even better the second time.
This summarizes a wonderful 13 days in BA…a trip that will forever be remembered and hopefully one that I will get to repeat in the next few months. Happy mongering!
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JackDaniels
09-21-04, 16:51
Excellent discussion. You guys write well.
It has not put me off going there again however the scene seems to be not as good as it used to be. Nostalgia just ain't as good as it used to be :).
My understanding from reading the contributions from others is that things have definitely changed. It has not put me off going there (I am in the process of planning my trip). I am not a hard core monger and I do like good quality. As Saint and Daddy have said, there is a premium for quality and I, for one, am willing to pay for it. It is just not sex but something more than that - an experience. Of course, one can never say at the outset that the quality of service will match the price but that is the luck of the draw. You can get bad service at any price. You can get good service at any price. I will even go further and say that the fixed price 150 pesos regime is not good for anyone as it does not differentiate anything. I will pay more for a beautiful, well dressed and elegant looking girl even if the sex is average. Its just the experience. The next day, I may prefer something else. Whatever takes my mood.
It is a truism that if the economy is good, the prices will be higher. The evidence for this is all over the world.
Latina Addict
09-21-04, 19:11
Hey Jack Daniels,
I agree with you on the experience thing with my chica. I have VERY high standards on my TLN's, and manage to have outstanding looking, thin, young and hard girls for local's prices. Listen to Jackson about price/quality. I'll be Baires in October, PM me and I will show you some shit hot ass for pennies on the dollar. It may take us a little time to find it, but, it will all be honeymoon sex with great attitudes. Do not listen to those short sided ignorant bastards that call my kind "shit heads".
Stick to the likes of Andres, Dickhead, Jackson, myself, Saint, Exon etc.
Latina Addict
Daddy Rulz:
It appears you paid AR$120 at 1707, can you or any other monger on the ground confirm wether this was an anomaly :) (e.g. extra for a BBBJ) or have they hiked the rate?
JustGotBack
09-22-04, 03:43
Further evidence it's useless to try to hold back the hordes. I read a lot of regular travel boards and at least once a day, someone asks about BA. There follow a bunch of replies about how good the clubs are wink wink. It's hit the mainstream.
Well I have seen a lot more for example Australians in the clubs. I ran into two in Nuevo Estilo and a group of four in Catto's just in the last week. However in NEB these two guys were talking about whether they could get these "chicks" to come back to their hotel for free. Not. Also they spoke no Spanish.
The four in Catto's were shit faced and were openly complaining about how nobody spoke English. Hello? My point is that I see quite a bit more people from Europe, Australia, even Mexico, down here but I haven't noticed a proportional increase in Americans or Canadians. I wonder if that is a focus point of the tourism industry here, getting more non-American but English-speaking tourists.
But pussy wise I pulled what I felt to be a nice girl out of Ness tonight for 130 after buying her a quick drink. I was tired of shorter gals and I wanted a minimum of 10-12 years of experience for what I had in mind. I took Lourdes who is about 5'6" and 33 years old (my estimate). She was a trouper so I was going to give her 140 but she ended up with 100p + $15 US. A very good kisser who I've had somewhere in the middle of my list for a year or so but hadn't gotten around to. Maybe good for a nooner down the road.
I have not noticed general inflation in the price of pussy as compared to last year. I've seen some specific inflation, most lamentably at Maipú 429 and Guemes 3221 which have both gone from 80 to 100 an hour. However my favorite alfajor has gone from 80 to 90 centavos so that is certainly a consideration.
Daddy Rulz
09-22-04, 04:52
Knuckhead
Sorry I didn´t itemize (that spellings wrong hope Jackson´s not pissed)
The price was the same as it has been, $100 ar for an hour and $20ar for the BBBJ.
Field report:
Went to 921 Suipacha at about 1800, did the special 2 chicas for 100ar/40 minutes. Had Cara (tall, long brown hair) and some little blonde spinner who´s name starts with a T. Can´t miss her, she´s about 5 feet tall, long bleached blonde hair and about 90 pounds. EXCELLENT SERVICE, seriously. The lesbianismo was not real but well done. the kissing and fingering was real and by the time I got to la concha it was very wet. (Perhaps some hidden spitball lubrication trick I don´t know about but it felt right through MY OWN condom that I remembered to bring)
Excellent double BBBJ, Excellent daisy chain. The spinner slapped on a condom and jumped on top while the morocha licked my balls. Finished with the spinner on her back and her knees in the air like a christmas turkey while the morocha tickeled my bum ever so lightly with her finger. No problem hitting the high note this afternoon.
I had spoken with the Receptionista before hand about BBBJ and she told me it was a propina matter between me and the girls. I never addressed it and just stuck my dick in the blondes mouth while the morocha was playing with her pussy. She just started slurping and the other followed suit. My intention was to copy the practice at 1707 with 20 each. I only had a 50 so considering the excellent session (no shit it really was great) I didn´t ask for change and told them to split it. They both had spontanious orgasms on their half of the bill so I reckon it was a little on the high side.
Addressing the rising costs one last time. They were both solid 7´s (body and face) and 1-10 I would say easy 15´s for preformance. All for the terribly high price of 150 ar including tips. I reckon for the discriminating shopper excellent P4P is still available in BsAs at very good prices.
Side notes,
:Anal was asked for, while it was not refused, neither of them were really in to it so I passed as well. I find that if you do what you all like more fun is had, and during repeat trips it pays off in enthusiasm.
:I had to wait a little in the kitchen until some other guy left.
While I was waiting I noticed a sign on the wall listing other chicks and what web sites they can be found at. Perhaps somebody moving on Roxannas turf. No worries Roxanna you have my loyalty.
:The lack of lighting in the hallway was disconcerting until I noticed the switch by the door then all was fine.
:The receptionista was very pleasant while I waited, conversing with me in my horrible Castillano
Different side note
:Went to 1965? Corrientes first, nobody answered the bell at 1700 after three rings so I boogied. Had to piss so I hit the Subte at Corrintes and Callao. The guy in the pisser next to me was showing off the biggest dick I ever saw. I think it´s a place for alternative life style types to hook up. Not advocating or condeming, too each thier own I say more chicas for me. Posted this as a heads up to anybody that has to piss near 1965 and might find that uncomfortable. No threats or intimidation of any kind, he just was saying hello I think so I finished my "pissness" and left. Hope this doesn´t violate the ban on alternative life style stuff.
It´s 3:30 and that last cealis hasn´t worn off so I´m back to 1707. I´m hoping Gabby´s there.
Happy Hunting all, DR
I noticed Delta will resume flight in December. That's a couple hundred more mongers per day!
It's good news, really. Argentina is too nice of a country to have 60+% poverty.
The number of posts in this forum have grown exponentially since '01! Sure there's more competition for goods, but seems to be easily absorbed by supply. Prices are still around half of '00 prices/ US dollar -- and the dollar is weak!
I cannot wait to visit and cannot wait to meet Jackson one day. He has directly/indirectly saved/cost me money in at least 20 states and 12 countries! The least I can do is buy dinner from him once.
See everyone in January!
Jav'
Mickey Mouse
09-22-04, 13:34
A brand New Adventure begins for the Mouse has landed for a four day stint.
The LCN is up and running with the word of the Mouse's arrival. Many traps will be set to see who will be the first to catch the infamous mouse. Be careful out there, and enjoy the life. :)
Moondog
Daddy Rulz
09-22-04, 17:39
A quickie before I get on the plane.
Went back to 921 and the chica I was looking for wasn’t there and neither of the others was worth my time so I boogied.
Took Andres advice and checked out 429 Maipu. Fuck Andres, what do I owe you? Dinner, a couple a beers and a visit to the apartment of your choice? Let me know, I was seriously impressed. Good location Maipu and Corrientes. There were 5 chicas available all dressed like secretary’s. The reseptionista was a charm with my horrible Castillano. I chose Sophia slender morocha with blonde highlights. Face 8, body 9.9999999999999 She was dressed in heels, hose, lace and skirt and top. Easily on par with anybody at Madaho´s.
I spoke to the reseptionista for a minute and discovered that service is completa including anal and BBBJ with out an extra propina. The cost was 100ar for an hour.
We went down the hall; they have the whole floor, to the apartment. It was a studio with a private bathroom clean and well kept. For the boss there wasn’t a single light over the bed, rather a black light on the wall. Mirror on the wall. Over all very nice.
Service was excellent, excellent to the point that unless things change by my next visit I may not return to 1707 anymore as I noticed a slight decrease in the beauty of the chicas there. I’m not knocking any of the sessions there. They were serviceable and I was happy but the quality was really a couple notches higher at 429. Of the five chicas any were very doable IMHO.
Highlights of the session, BBBJ very good, multi positions including the final frontier, and interesting technique, we went through several of MY CONDOMS because between each position she would refresh with BBBJ, I liked it. Hit the high note with no problem.
Cost 100ar plus a 20ar propina. I don’t know how other guys think about propinas but I do it for the same reason I tip a mosa. I want to be remembered on my next visit if the session was above average. I don’t think it drives up the price because it’s a surprise and always well received. I think it has something to do with Argentines not tipping much.
Notes
:Quick response to the buzzer, I hate standing out in the street.
:absolutely no rush for time, I was there from 1415 until almost 1600 and never heard a knock on the door. YMMV perhaps due to slow business and it being my first visit there. Seems to me I would want to give a little extra to a first time buyer. I paid for an hour and got almost two.
:I can’t stress enough MARsomthings philosophy. Teat them like ladies and the will treat you like you single handily won the Argentinean revolution. I gave her some serious DATY, to completion I think, or else we may have to award duel Oscars this year for simulated orgasms. She was bucking her hips so hard she hurt my mouth a little. Afterwards she made a determined effort to flay the skin off El Pene in a very nice kind of way. Plus I love getting my face ALL in it.
In summation, great time and it will be my first choice on subsequent visits.
Happy Hunting, see you guys in 6 weeks.
Sorry about the lateness of this addendum, but I wanted to take the time to think about what I am saying. I think I am entitled because some of you, in your zeal to defend your positions, are trying to create an image of me that isn't true.
For those who would paint me as a person who looks for cheap women in "small, dingy apartments" or who tries to beat down women in price just for the sake of "bargain sex", let me set you straight. Perhaps I can in the process demonstrate the issues a little more clearly.
I lived in BA for 1 year straight in the Dazzler Hotel. That cost $US18,000. I had progressively nicer rooms(not that tiny crap on the top floor), until for the last 6 months I had the largest, nicest, type room in the place. I had value. I like hotels, not apartments. For the location, the view, the quality of the room, the security, convenience, and price it could not be beat. I found out about the Dazzler thru this forum. I appreciate that. I would probably have found it on my own, because I visited EVERY probable hotel to check the value situation. But that took 3-4 weeks. Do you want to know my room numbers during that year? Good luck. There are only 3 of them, so who should be the lucky people? (BTW, I hope this doesn't cause a rush on the Dazzler.)
Do you remember the problem of Art Suites? A great small hotel that was changing its guest policy because of the abuses of some idiots from the forum? Saint, you were one of the guys trying to help cool down the situation with them. When there was only a small group of hotels In Argentina links and everyone was beating them to death? A classic example of the problems that can be created by the forum. Fortunately, there are many hotels and apartments in BA. So the list expanded until there is now a large enough pool that there haven't been problems lately. Great.
I now have the best hotel room in this Argentina city. It is a suite on the top floor, with a balcony overlooking the central plaza, church, city hall, and half the city. With a beautiful view of the river on the horizon, and another city accross the river. When it is all lit up at night, the view is spectacular. There is only one such room in this town. Forget about the number. I visited every hotel and looked at rooms to find it. It took 3 days. If you go to the best hotel in town, you will have a terrible view, and the rooms there aren't bad, but nowhere near as nice. My room costs just a little more than the ones in the "best" hotel. I have been here for over 6 weeks, and have this room until I want to leave here.
I don't EVER see women in apartments, or brothels, or short time hotels near a bar like at Salome, except to check a woman out to get her number. I ONLY see women in my hotel, and prefer TLN. Sometimes, I like to buy a woman out of work so she doesn't NEED another client. If I see her regularly a few nights a week, this is possible, because a fair TLN rate is so much better for the woman and it is guaranteed money. It works better with SW, because they don't have to quit a club job. But I have had 2 women quit BA clubs. I can support 1-2 women at once in this way, and I don't get sloppy seconds.
So right now I enjoy my 20YO $ar150 9pm-9am women from my $ar126 hotel room with its magnificent view. This is better than a room at the Alvear Palace in BA, with a girl from Black, and it costs far less. But only one person at a time can do this. The BA tourist exploiters can handle whatever volume, and will do whatever is necessary to ensure they can accomodate whatever volume with some kind of tourist experience, at A TOURIST COMPETITIVE COST, not a LOCAL COMPETITIVE COST.
Want to talk about helping the women? I have built 2 houses for women in Paraguay. Those small starter cement and stone houses they have in the small pueblos only cost $US2-4000, if they build it on their mother's lot. I built one for a Paraguayan while in BA and 1 for a woman while I was in Paraguay. I have bought a couple of washers and refrigerators. My current favorita has bought a new kitchen stove, clothes and bicycles for her kids, paid over a year of past due water bills and gotten herself generally in much better shape. She is saving to buy a public housing house, that will cost about $US1000. I have paid for dental repair for rotten teeth. And so on. I did all of this without seriously overpaying the market. Mostly because I buy a lot of service from the women, and they thereby earn a high net take home income. My top budget is $US100/day average for women. That's $US36,500/year on top of my housing and other expenses. How many of you tourist mongers does it take to contribute that much to Argentina? But I am not going to throw that money at tourist exploiters.
Moondog, to claim that the women are in need of help is not a good argument. How much do you give the blind guy in the street? The woman begging with her children? Why not more? Everyone is needy. So what is your justification again?
I help the women more with my money because I pay them directly, usually without bar fees. One of the problems of the tourist exploiter situation is the women are often not better off. How many web sites and apartments charge a commission to the women? The ridiculous drink prices and bar fees help a very few bar owners, not the women. I try not to use any place like Rio Cabaña where the house collects the money, because the opportunity to exploit the woman is too strong. And as the price rises for these women in Madahos and Black, the number of women working there tends to increase, while the volume for each woman declines. So a woman could well end up with a smaller net take home.
I hate high bar fees, excessive drink prices, leaching bartenders and doormen, or any place or web site that charges a commission. They do nothing to improve my life or the women's. The tourist exploiters are more often people who are supported by the work of the women than the women themselves. Which is one reason the value for the tourist does not increase proportionately to cost.
The reason I can do what I am doing here is because I am competing with the local economy, not the tourist economy. I have far more money than the locals, and can thus afford the best that is available at local prices, every day of the year. This creates for me tremendous value. The fact is that I can do this in most of the local economies in the US as well, because I have more money than most in the US. But I cannot compete well in the US sex market, inflated by law enforcement, or the US tourist or business markets.
Remember, the tourist economy is not value oriented. It is oriented toward extracting the maximum amount of money the tourists are willing to throw away on vacation. The business economy is oriented toward the maximum expense accounts. The local economy is how you live when you visit a relative in another city with your own money.
Because I am one person, paying local prices, I am not going to affect this market, even though the sex industry here is truly tiny, less than 50 women total. But because BA is so big, it is a little too complicated to picture. This little city is easier. There are no clubs or web sites. The total sex industry is basically SW and hotel recommendations. Now, there are few foreign tourists, no mongers. The difference is important because a South American is very likely to behave like a local without help. Total monger-tourist days/month here are probably less than 1, excluding me(I am 25 days).
But what would happen if an average of 10 tourists/day tried to do this(300 days/month). Obviously, only 1 could have my room, but there are enough rooms to accomodate 10 easily. If they made use of this forum, and paid local prices for women, they would cause something of a problem initially because of the small number of women. Some people would have to take lower quality women, others do without. But in time, the number of women would increase to accomodate the additional customers. Everyone would benefit, because the selection would increase, both for the locals and the tourists. Relatively, the women would all be making the same amount of money each even with the larger numbers.
But what if they don't use this forum? What if most of these tourists overpaid the market, either by offering gross tips or paying a high asking price to someone smart enough to try to exploit tourists? The word would go out, ask the tourists for more money. And a system of 2 tier pricing would begin. The women would be desirous of the tourist business. But the tourists would not necessarily get the best women. This is part of the problem. ACCESS to the tourists becomes the most valuable commodity. Everyone who has ACCESS to the tourists will try to push women they know, and can make a deal with. And they will take a cut for the introduction: concierges, hotel clerks, cabbies. Someone might well start a club or web site for foreigners. So the women the tourists will tend to get are not the best, but the women that are connected with the people with access to the tourists. To some extent, the concierges, et al, will try to find higher level women. But it is not the number one priority. Which is why there are bad news women in Madahos, Black, and the web sites.
So what happens is the women with access to the tourist mongers will try to charge more. And tend to ignore the locals. The locals will get these women only in idle periods. The people with the most difficult problem are the foreigners with market knowledge. It will be hard for them to get a local price, but not impossible. It will not likely bring many more women into the business than if the tourists paid local prices, because the volume is the same. The women involved are likely be the same in either case. If it does bring in a few more women, the women are hurt. Who benefits? The people with ACCESS to the tourists benefit most. These are the worst exploiters. And the women connected to the people with the best access will benefit some. Who loses? The tourists, because they pay more, but they don't care much. The locals, and those who behave as locals, lose big time. THEY ARE FORCED TO COMPETE WITH TOURIST PRICES FOR THE SAME WOMEN THEY WOULD HAVE HAD ANYWAY. Now, do you understand how you can lose friends in a country?
I have had a taste of the 2 tier pricing here. My first day, a woman who works the best hotel tried to hit me for $ar100/hr. So she knew something of tourist prices. I told her: "That is ridiculous.", and walked away. I have also seen the resentment. In San Jose, Costa Rica, when I was going to Spanish school, I happened to meet one of the instructors in the Hotel del Rey with 2 of his friends. He told me: "We can only come to look. These girls are not for us", with a sick expression on his face. But not all the del Rey women were tops in anything but money. How strongly do you think these guys support prostitution, especially at the del Rey?
So, let them tell you that it is better in Madahos and Black. It is, to some degree in terms of average looks, but likely to be worse in attitude. You all agree that if you once pay a woman $ar200, it is practically impossible to reduce that price when you see her again. Unfortunately, when a woman has been paid $us500 for a night a few times, that becomes her benchmark. You now have to beat that to impress her. Anything less and you are just a chump, and if you beat it you are still a chump. That is why they have a crappy attitude. It is hard to convince a Black woman she just won the lottery with your offer. And individually, it is possible to find women in other places just as beautiful as Black. One of my women who quit another club for me had been at Black a couple years before, at more reasonable prices. 22YO, absolutely beautiful face and body. I saw her for 5 months regularly(she built a house next to her mother's in Paraguay and went home).
The web sites situation is ridiculous. I will say now what I should have said a year ago. What is going on with you guys and the web is the worst example of tourist expoitation. And the absolute worst, in your face, "I am trying to rip you off and don't care who knows it", example of this is the dual web site nonsense of escorts-argentina.com, and escortsbaires.com.ar. Where they deliberately attempt to offer the same women to the tourists for 3 times a HIGH MARKET price on escorts-argentina that are also on the escortsbaires.com.ar site for everyone, but presumably more for locals, unpriced. And anyone promoting or condoning that crap cannot possibly be thought of as being on the side of the mongers.
Generally, many or most of the web women also work regularly at apartments, many of which offer take-out for near the same price as in-call. Thus, you call that woman on the web and there is a good chance she will finish with a local for $ar60-80 and then go with you for $ar150-300. I don't know what the web site cut is, but they aren't doing this for the good of the women. If you called her at the apartment, theoretically you can get the apartment price. BUT YOU MUST BE AWARE OF THE APARTMENT PRICE TO GET IT, VIA THIS FORUM. Remember that 2 tier pricing can be practiced by apartments also. The issue here is that the web is taking advantage of their superior ACCESS to the tourist-mongers who DO NOT FOLLOW THE MARKET IN THE FORUM AND BEHAVE ACCORDINGLY.
To try to conclude this, please understand that I am not really in favor of restricting access to the information in this forum. If you read this carefully, you will see that we are all best served by the tourist monger becoming as much as possible like a local. For those mongers who do not want to be aware of the local situation, we are best served by sending them to the tourist exploiters, who will give them a tourist experience, just like they do in Jamaica and Las Vegas. The tourist exploiters will actually serve them best, without hurting us much more, since especially in BA the exploiters already exist. The greatest damage is to send the person who wants a tourist experience into a situation where they need market knowledge. Also understand that I support the forum and plan to continue, because I am a firm supporter of men's rights and believe that the right to contractual sex is one of the most fundamental of them. But I do not want to hurt myself.
Finally, I am sorry, but I am much amused by this idiotic discussion of value at Black and the total experience and the "value costs money" nonsense. You guys are the same people who buy Johnny Walker Black or Chivas Regal on vacation and swear its better. Or buy Dom Perignon champagne because it is expensive, without knowing that YOU ACTUALLY MAY NOT LIKE THE TASTE THAT MAKES IT EXPENSIVE. LIKE DINNER WINE, IT IS A VERY PERSONAL THING. THERE IS NO SET RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN COST TO PRODUCE AND THE PREFERENCE OF THE DRINKER. YOU ARE BEST SERVED BY KNOWING WHAT YOU LIKE AND WHICH BRAND HAS THAT TASTE. THAT IS MARKET KNOWLEDGE. I have done a champagne tasting on 17 different champagnes one after another, in professional format, as well as various other smaller tastings and I know what I am saying. The marketers of these products with ACCESS to you have told you what they want you to hear and believe. THAT IS THE TOURIST EXPERIENCE.
Sorry about the size of this. Thanks for your attention.
Lexton,
Point taken. We can agree to disagree.
Moondog.
p.s. Outside of the monthly fee for hosting the photos and information, no fee is ever paid to the websites that I mention.
Lexton:
Your posting helps to make people think about this issue. Thanks.
Regarding locals, I don't think that most Argentinians using the local forums (2000 users total) are paying considerably less than visitors, at least regarding quality girls. That is, they pay ar$100-200 for an Area-Vip girl. Also, I know that many mongers who use the local forum recommend girls as we do here, and girls keep the price for them (usually aorund ar$100 for a short session).
Andres
Lexton,
As I posted in my earlier post, you make some good points. The points I disagreed with-- I posted why I disagreed with them. The thing that again I disagree with is your notion that there are just tons and tons of hot model quality girls in the other lower-tier clubs. This is simply not the case and I think we all can agree on that. No matter what side of the fence you are on the price issue. I do admit you can find hot girls at just about any club. The problem is there usually are only a few of them and often times they are busy because they are hot and all the other girls aren't.
I've been to places like Hooks, Cattos, Ness, et. al. several times with friends since moving here and many more over the past 2.5 years. Most times when I've gone I would never even think about pulling a girl out of there. Am I saying they aren't beautiful? No. I'm saying they aren't beautiful to ME.
I don't like overpaying. Never did and never will. My point is simply this. There is a much higher proportion of hot girls in places like Madahos and Black. There is NO disputing that fact. Every single guy that I've ever met or emailed with online admits the quality is like night and day.
I'd like to think I'm an experienced traveler. I might pay more for a hotel room, a car rental, or a girl but the reason is because I have a preference of what exactly I am looking for and it's worth the premium to get it.
I'm not saying there is no value in the other clubs. There is. The only thing I'm saying is the top tier-more expensive clubs have a higher percentage of hot girls. I live here now so I can rarely afford to pull girls out of Madahos or Black. Just too pricey for me. The one thing I'll never do is stop telling it like it is though. I'm a straight shooter.
So, without going into a diatribe of an explanation, I would invite you as well as any other experienced BA travelers to list the top two clubs with the most classically beautiful girls. Not taking price into consideration at all. Just looks (face, body, youth, etc.). I think all would have to list Black and Madahos on the top 3 list. That is all I'm saying. As for the internet girls, I haven't seen one in over a year so I wouldn't know how that is. I've found that once you make a few trips here you don't depend on them as much/if at all. They are still easy for guys that only have a limited time and want their dream girl.
Intelligent posts are what it's all about. Thanks for posting.
Saint
I just pulled a really ugly old hag out of Exedra. I took her to the Alvear Palace for dinner and then we got a room and she wouldn't do anything more than a CBJ. Was 1000 pesos too much to give her? Shit, that's hardly $300 bucks. I pay that for crack addicts in Las Vegas.
At least the Mouse is here so we will get some reports about pussy instead of all this whining and bullshit.
Pussy, gentlemen, pussy. The purpose of this section of the board is to discuss pussy in Buenos Aires. Who, what, when, where, why, how much, and was she any good. That kind of stuff.
DickHead I hope your well rested as the Mouse is an Iron Man when it comes to chaseing pussy.
Us guy's in sex prison are jellious as hell.
The two of you really know how to have fun.
Have Fun Exon.
P.S. Mouse we want daily reports and call Fabiana
Mickey Mouse
09-22-04, 22:09
I suggest we have a New Section entitled "Philisophy". Let's save the "Box Scores" for here, no pun intended.
I broke tradition today and went for something new for my welcome wagon. Her Name was Miliga (something like that), 21 from Orleans. She has a beautiful smile, large (hidden) tattoos and has much to learn before I can recommend. Bottom line: Not Worth it! But one man's junk is another man's treasure.
Exon: Rumor has it Roberta is in town and send me Fabiana's number
The Mouse is loose!
PS: The triangle at 11:30 pm if anyone's interested
Saint,
I have been to BA twice and I agree with you that the clubs hwere you find the highest percentage of hot girls are Black and Madahos(ignoring the price factor).
Victor01
HappyGoLucky
09-22-04, 22:36
As regards,
"I would invite you as well as any other experienced BA travelers to list the top two clubs with the most classically beautiful girls."
I'll agree that Black and Madahos have the highest percentage of beautiful ladies, and on my last trip every time I went to Madahos I took a lady out- I'm weak weak weak that way.
However, my all time favorites have come from other places, diamonds in the rough so to speak, e.g. the Triangle, cafes, etc.
But it's all in the eye of the beholder, and that's cool.
-HGL
Ferris Bueller
09-22-04, 22:41
OK, my first ever report...feedback appreciated!
I had a few great nights in BA....what a city! BTW when looking at the prices I paid, please note that (a) I don´t speak a word of Spanish and (b) I´m used to London prices so I didn´t spend too much time haggling, as I wanted the chicas to be happy, cos when they´re happy they make me happier!
First night went to Láffaire Recoleta (on Guido I think?). Got a nice mulata called Andreasa from Brazil...blue eyes, not sure if they were contacts or not but she was great. My first mulata and hopefully not the last...very eager to please and suction like a vacuum cleaner, so there´s no reason to risk mutiliation by labour saving devices anymore, you know where to go! Í paid US100 and she stayed all night...and DIDN´T raid my minibar!
Second night slept off my jet lag and the prev nights action, so the third night I went back to L´Affaire, this time got a Paraguayan chica calling herself Diana, not sure she´s a regular there. She was wearing a blond wig and looked a bit like Pamela Anderson in the darkness...she was a bit older when I saw her in the light but quite a nice body all the same. Small warning, she came across as slightly unstable once I had her in my room. I suppose this business does damage some people and I did feel a bit sorry for her so I gave her a bit of a tip (perhaps she played me for a soft touch?). She raided my minibar while I was in the shower too..opened half of the stuff in there and didn´t actually have any of it..so minus points there! BJ performance was quite harsh but rest was pretty good. I paid 100US again (this time including tip and conscience money) though I had negotiated less.
Next night, thought I´d try something different, so went to Black. WOW. Once I´d picked my jaw back up off the floor (and I´m not easy to please, being a regular at Stringfellows in London), I picked a very cute, slightly chubby, raven haired girl, can´t remember her name but I think she´s a regular, will provide full details once I dig up her email address. She was great, but I did give her 200US for all night, everything included(and she worked for it too). Top performance, great GFE and she genuinely enjoyed her job, also went to great lengths to communicate though her english wasn´t great. I was going to meet her the next day for a tango show but stuff came up and I couldn´t make it, shame.
Final night, I thought I´d better try the remaining ones...so armed with a bit of dutch courage, went to (deep breath) Cattos, Hook, Ness, back to Cattos, Madahos, and finally Black (which came up trumps once more!). I have to say of the Suipacha clubs I thought Cattos was the best, regular there called Lily made me feel very welcome. Hook was empty so left early, and Ness really annoyed me...I walked in, chica started talking to me, realised I didn´t speak Spanish and ordered herself a drink without asking. Needless to say I walked straight out after I finished my drink. Cattos on the other hand was totally non-aggressive, and I happily bought a few of the ladies drinks there...I have no issues with buying drinks as I know the game, but its annoying when your intelligence is insulted as mine was in Ness.
Next, Madahos was great, lots of lovely ladies and great entertainment, but again, didn´t really click with anyone, so upped and went to Blacks and was glad I did! Another lovely brunette, slim, great body, and total GFE. 500 pesos for all night. Once again, feel a bit silly as I can´t remember her name, but its irrelenvant now as she is going back to Atlanta tomorrow (was just visiting family).
Sorry guys, I know I´m probably guilty of overpaying on the face of it, however I generally have the last laugh as I can take over an hour to hit the mother lode so they do earn their money! (Not intended as a boast, actually it can be a bit of a curse sometimes.)
All in all, Blacks is now my favourite place in the whole world...nothing but good experiences there - I suppose you get what you pay for but its not always the case so pleasantly surprised.
Anyway, gotta go, will be back in BA on the 28th for one last night - if anyone wants to hook up then pls PM me, would be a shame to have been to all the best places in BA and not met any of the regulars/locals.
Adios,
Andy
Lighten up Dickhead. It's no members place to dictate for all the content of this thread or forum. You've had ample uncensored opportunity to enlighten the board with your culinary achievements, tales of Maria, and daily "load" deposit. If several members wish to wax philosophical, so be it ! I for one find this variety quite a bit more entertaining and interesting than the seemingly unendless supply of ego stroking, self image constructing horseshit that fills these pages. Maybe you should petition Jackson for a thread entitled " PUSSY" so you aren't subjected to so many subjective interpretations of what constitutes a "2004 Report" . For me, the whats, whens, and whys of Pussy, the who came in whose mouth, the how many pussies can I cram into 3 day posts are a bore. Others love that reporting. To each his own.
For example, I would have missed out on the good laugh I enjoyed while reading Starfe's response to the preceding unending,nonsensical diatribe merely because someone else deemed it off topic. That ain't right !
Scroll on brother.
Amen Slick. I think as long as someone can take something useful or informative out of someone else's post than it belongs here. Honestly, I never read too many of Dickhead's posts. Just because what he posted didn't benefit me, I never thought it might not benefit someone else though. As they clearly have.
One WSG'ers "trash" is another WSG'ers "treasure". Guys should post anything that they feel will help another guy in some way, shape or form..IMHO.
Slick1,
daily "load" deposit : Priceless comment . Between Dickhead and Andres $25 dollar hooker challenge, you nailed it to a T. The constant back slapping and kudos they heap on themselves is just amazing. You would think they were the only participants in the room.
Thanks for putting into words what I have bee thinking for months. I never felt the urge to go through every cumming exercise. If someone might have a question about a website that they know I frequent then they could PM me or ask direct through the thread.
Thanks again,
Starfe
and to think I coudn't get any information on any subject a few years ago....
For the record, keep the hardcore, softcore AND the philosophical debates coming. If for no other reason, I know it is a thrill to recount life's most inspiring moments with friends, and, like it or not, we are inextricably tied as friends, of a sort.
I've been slammed for being too cheap on some threads and too generous on others. Big deal. I've learned from both criticisms, and find myself in my own happy state of equilibrium.
S... good to hear someone report from Orleans. A favorite place of mine for no good reason. Anyone 'run into' a Claudia from there? A daytime worker with a wonderful demeanor and work ethic?
Has Newports gone too commercial? Sounds like it is the Panet Hollywood of semi-pro establishments, yet I had the time of my life, albeit my life, there.
Perhaps to reset the forum and re-direct debate, perhaps a qualified member could post perceived quality and price information for the different establishments and genres?
Thanks!!
Jav'
OttoGraham
09-23-04, 11:52
JavMav, your post reminds me that I should repeat my earlier-posted warnings that one has to be very, very, very careful at Newport.
There is no control of chicas by the management. This lack of institutional control means that you may well find a sweet non-pro/semi-pro OR a criminal shark who will slip you a mickey and rob your hotel room. I was there last year with a fellow monger who recognized a girl working who had track marks on her forearm.
All said, it is possible to go swimming in a ditch and come out smelling like a rose, but there are definite risks involved.
-Uncle Otto
PS And if anybody thinks Orleans is a better choice, go back to the beginning of the 2004 section and read Capt Dave's posts.
Caveat emptor, boys.
Otto is 100% correct. There is more accountability and control with a club girl. Can she still do something bad? Of course, but there is at least some things you can do and the girls know that. Take Art Vandaly's incident when a girl stole his US cellphone. My good friend there talked to the manager where she worked and he threatened to fire her if she didn't return the phone. He was lucky as he got his expensive phone back with several important phone numbers.
(It's also a lesson not to drink too much. I was with Art that night and he was boozing pretty hard. I rarely drink when I go out as I like to stay alert and really don't like boozing as I drank too much in college).
Do you think someone could get their phone back if a girl from Cafe Orleans or Newport's took something or did something to you? Fat chance. I've never picked up a girl from Cafe Orleans in all my trips here. Just don't see any quality in there on the many times I've been there. For the most part, most of the girls (no make that women) are older. Newport is hit or miss as many have said. Be careful fellas.
Lexton : Excuse my ego! I keep adding new material
" I hope this doesn't cause a rush on the Dazzler " ( E.F. Hutton your not )
" I now have the best hotel room in this Argentina city" ( yes you do, a complete replica of Motels 6's vista room from Hackensack N.J. )
" A classic example of the problems that can be created by the forum " ( so this is a waste of time )
" I had the largest, nicest, type room in the place " ( decorated by the late Pablo Piccaso's cousin Mildred Piccaso )
" I would probably have found it on my own " ( of course you would have, you're like the Terminator)
" not that tiny crap on the top floor " ( which just happens to be called the Robert Duval Honeymoon Suite )
" Do you want to know my room numbers during that year? Good luck ( 3 no 5 ?? i know , i know 7 right? )
" There is only one such room in this town " ( created by God and personally given to you )
" My room costs just a little more than the ones in the "best" hotel. I have been here for over 6 weeks, and have this room until I want to leave here" ( or they throw you out )
"I like to buy a woman out of work so she doesn't NEED another client " ( or until you go limp )
" I have built 2 houses for women in Paraguay " (you and Jimmy Carter work together )
" The BA tourist exploiters " ( talking about me I suppose )
" I have had 2 women quit BA clubs. I can support 1-2 women at once " ( Its good to be king )
" I have far more money than the locals, and can thus afford the best " ( Its good to be King & Queen )
"The web sites situation is ridiculous. I will say now what I should have said a year ago. What is going on with you guys and the web is the worst example of tourist expoitation " ( there goes my pot of gold )
"I have done a champagne tasting on 17 different champagnes one after another, in professional format" ( time after time you picked Korbel )
"I know what I am saying " ( so did President Bush before he entered Bagdad )
"Now, do you understand how you can lose friends in a country? " ( I had no idea I was there to make pen pals for life )
"To try to conclude this, please understand that I am not really in favor of restricting access to the information in this forum "
( just the ones that are important and pertain to you & only you since the sun rises and sets with you're views on life )
Starfe
Exon Reporting: Ive had both my very best experiences and very worst experiences at New Port.
It truly is pot luck to pull a girl out of there.
One night while renting Jacksons apartment, (just across the street), I had a zinger and had to throw her out even before we got started.
But then I met Carolina in their and that affair lasted 6 or 8 months before she got boreing.
That I did find is if you hook up in New Port and she seams to be a preformer, you should take her out of their and complete your interview process in one of the straight bars or restraunts in the area. New Port is noisey, loud and full of people and by getting her out of their you can negociate more on your terms.
As for Cafe Orleans, for each his own. I frankly love the place. Ive done probably half the regulars in their and I consider most of them friends.
For example I found the love of my life, (Roberta), in their. The best fuck in the world IMHO. Also Fabiana, whom Ive been fucking off and on for my last 4 trips down their. I love Fabiana, ( matter o fact Im getting wood thinking about her while typing this), shes a real sweet heart very loyal and we've never mentioned money in our entire relationship.
And don't forget blond Caroline, (The Mouse call's her the little ball washer), shes a wonderfull preformer whom has even caught MoonDog's eye a couple of times.
I guess I love independent's rather than the harder core club girls but one must use good judgement. All of the above go's for Cafe Excedra too.
Exon.
Mouse if you see Caroline please report and say hello from Exon
I really have a hard time understanding why so many guys WANT to pay the same price for a woman in London, San Jose, and BA, and are willing to fight so hard to create and defend the priviledge, instead of trying to understand it and help figure out a way to prevent it. Maybe you can't appreciate them unless you can barely afford them, because that is the way it is with USA women? Or some other attitude?
At least we got Dodger Bulldog's great list, which could help some people if it weren't immediately buried and out of date. He did quite well, it appears. Why can't we try to think of a way to maintain something like that, on a little broader scale? Or promote a reporting format of that type, perhaps in a separate section? It was barely noticed.
Funny thing, I lived two years in Hackensack, NJ in an 18th floor penthouse apartment on Overlook Ave back in the 70's. I could stand out on my 800 sq ft terrace and enjoy a magnificent view of the Palisades and New York skyline, from Fort Lee to the World Trade Center.
I don't know what the Motel 6 vista view is in Hackensack, but I wouldn't knock it until I know what I'm talking about. Podunks aren't all bad.
Mickey Mouse
09-23-04, 18:39
A note on the relationship between pricing, performance and chica quality:
In the two years I have been coming here I have paid 300p (for 1 girl) only a few times and I'd like to share a couple of the stories:
The first time was 1 1/2 yrs ago and I wanted the feature dancer (the Nicest Body in there) at Madahos, who I was told was off limits. I was also told an introductory drink was 100p and there was No guarantee of anything happening, so I bit. Can't remember her name, but she was Tall, Gorgeous, 100% all natural and fit. I rate her body a 10+ and her face a 9.5. We chatted for 20 minutes and can you believe it, she said yes to 300p for 1 1/2 hrs at my hotel. Back to my hotel for almost 2 hrs of bliss.
The second time was a year ago when I was in Blacks. It was about 1am and the place was full of beautiful women and only a few men. I decided I wanted the Most Beautiful lady (in my eyes) in there that night no matter what. Again I found a girl who ranks a 10 on any scale, bought her a couple drinks (at their prices) and agreed to 300p for a trip to my hotel.
Both of these girls were second to none as far as Eye Candy was concerned, but their performance:
Well, even though the experiences were good, I would have No hesitation in recommending these two girls take some instruction from a lady or two like Antonela, my Fabiana, Natalya, Roberta, a couple Favoritas and a few others I have met who, by the way, are all half the price.
There may be a correlation between Pricing and Eye Candy for the Arm, but Absolutely None when it comes to the Quality of the Performance!
Another Mouse's Opinion
JackDaniels
09-23-04, 18:47
I like the diversity of topics on this board. It is very informative and entertaining. What is impressive is that most people are courteous in the way they write and challenge others. That does make this board rather special. On some other boards, some people have used the anonymity of their handles to be rude and discourteous to others.
I disagree with Dickhead and indeed I am surprised that he would write that as he is quite knowledgeable about a number of topics; but perhaps not this one as he goes fishing at just one end of the lake. No offence meant.
The board can get boring with just pussy photographs and tales of BBBJs and doggy style work outs.
Thank you, Lexton for your post. You know BsAs infinitely better than I do. Though I can't find myself agreeing with you, I for one, appreciate the way you have expressed your opinion.
As always,
Cheers.
Mickey Mouse
09-23-04, 19:10
Ok Guys, the first 24 hrs:
After my lackluster afternoon welcome wagon and nap, it was out for some fine Wining and Dining (Another Great thing about BA)with my amigo and then to the triangle.
A quick stop in each proved that possibilities existed for the evening and when I entered Ness, there was my Good Friend Sheyla who tells me some of you guys have been keeping her very busy! I like that find; anyway, her welcome was like ringing the bell for Pavlov's dogs so off we went to my hotel for a quick hr at 100p.
We returned together so I could meet up with my compadres for a couple beers and some catching up chat. Before I knew it, it was an hr before closing and time for a new selection before it was too late. I had a few choices, but decided on another from Ness (SB) who's performance was top notch (Better than eye candy, see below) and she stayed till 1:30pm. I'll say one thing about this girl: everyone time I had an itch, she was right there to scratch it no matter what time it was or whether she was sleeping or not.
Some answers to your questions:
Claudia was at Orleans yesterday and looking mighty fine.
I hear Roberta is back which I'm trying to verify.
Carolina (Exon's) is hard at work at Catto's.
And I haven't seen the Ball Washer yet.
Orleans was full of some New Talent today. There were a couple possibilities!
And Yes, There is No Other Place in the world (that I have found) where you can find so many different pleasures and opportunities that excite so many senses under one roof. I firmly believe that Everyone can Find what tantalizes their senses here in Argentina!
This Mouse's Opinion
Looking to go for the first time, but I am only interested in real blondes ,young, and price is very flexible. Do any of the more experienced mongers have ideas on where would I satiate myself. Russia seems too cold and non gfe , but would appreciate any comments.
Daddy Rulz
09-23-04, 20:29
I'm with Saint, Micky Mouse, DH and the rest.
One of the things I love about the BsAs sex scene is the variety. On my last day there I went to 429 Maipu and for 100 pesos plus a 20 peso tip (great service) I spent an hour of real bliss with a very beautiful (IMHO) woman who's skills were excellent.
I have had Madaho girls for anywhere from 200-300 pesos. And on two occasions girls from Black. One was too much money and the other was WAY too much money. (cut me some slack it was my first visit and I was a touch overwhelmed) When I go to Madahos and Black I have one purpose. I'm looking for 10's and only 10's. And even if they are 10's they must still appeal to me after I talk to them. If we are not simpatica then I pass and hit an apartment and take my chances.
I've had lots lot of girls from Newport years ago for around 200 to 300ar. I still like stopping by for a cortado to start the night but it's a rare exception that I'll pull someone from there.
Without doing a play by play regarding each one I can say my experiences have been varied. Of all of them only one would I say was wasted money as far as experience. A Madaho girl that was just entirely unsuited for the job. She was actually trying to push me out during mish. Of the rest, each in their own way I found to be an interesting and enjoyable experience. As posted before though, I do take the time to talk to them. Find out the things they like and don't like. Try to make them laugh if possible. In other words treat them like guests or perhaps as "Mi Novia para La Noche" (Christ my Castillano sucks)
Interestingly enough without question the absolute best experience was with the girl from Black that I spent WAY too much money on. She was without exception the most talented woman that I have ever been with. She knew how to extract the most from a mans mind as well as his body. 3 pops in 2 1/2 hours and she asked me if I wanted to go again. It really was a Penthouse forum experience.
Of the apartments once or twice I picked a girl who's skills didn't match their experience but for 100 pesos I can afford to spin the wheel. Most of the time though I find that the ones that introduce themselves in a more energetic manner seem to preform better. I like the ones that walk in, make eye contact, lean down and stroke my johnson and stick their tongue in my ear. Good sales skills go far with me.
I also find that paying attention to our fearless leaders sage advice works wonders. (only for take out, not an available stratigy in apartments) I'm clear as to what I expect and the money is ALWAYS after, NEVER before. I tell them that in the bar and if this is a problem to move on. Never feed a bird dog before hunting I say. I also don't do a lot of bargaining. I realize that this is sort of contrary to the wisdom of the board but I think if you agree with or just go for a small bump they feel a little more obligated to preform. In order for them to start at a reasonable figure I don't discuss price until after talking for a bit. I've been there a lot and I make sure they know that. I also casually make mention of some drunk Yanqui's that can always be seen in those clubs and mention that 300ar per hour is only for drunken idiots, thereby planting the seed that I am not one of them. If they are SMOKING hot and hit me at 300, I'll throw a soft pitch at 250 and let them know that I expect it to be longer than an hour. The 250 is to see if they bite, if not I'll eye them over and make a great show of my reluctance but that I'm overwhelmed by their beauty and charm and hook up. (lots of eye rolling, hair pulling, mine not theirs, sort of like the actors in the novellas) If they go higher I give them a kiss on the cheek and thank them for their time. I also refuse to spend 40 pesos on a drink until price is agreed on.
On the cab ride to the hotel I always try to talk to them some. I ask about their life, dreams, travel experience etc. What I'm trying to do is show some interest and perhaps develop common ground. These girls have sex with a lot of guys and I'm trying to break out of the ground clutter. It's exactly the same rap for non pros, I'm just much more comfortable because it's a sure thing. I think this goes very far when one considers the Latino male. Us visiting mongers make up a small part of their business and I think for the most part they are treated like meat by most of their client's. I also never ask about DATY, if it's clean (gotta love bidets) and well trimmed I just head into it. I've yet to find the woman that is not affected in some way by having some loving attention paid to their pussy. If you think about it, the return on this investment is well worth using some of my time with them. I use the same ideas on the apartment chicas as well.
I reckon there are some that say why waste the time. I've spent most of my life in customer service in one way or the other. The simple fact is most people shit on those that serve the public. Personally I never fail to go out of my way to do the most I can for the people that show me kindness and respect. First and foremost this is a business for these girls, and for me it's about getting the most service for my peso. With that said, I also think it's possible to connect on an emotional level that allows the experience to be more enjoyable for both .
In conclusion, most of the time, the vast majority of the time I'm looking to screw my dick raw when I am there. Economics DICKtate that apartment prices allow more sex. On every trip though I do like to hit the clubs at least once or twice. I dig the fantasy of having a girl trying to catch my attention by doing that wonderful dance they all do at all of the clubs. Then picking up a chick that wouldn't even talk to me here in the States in a bar environment taking her back to the hotel for some wild sex and sending them out again. I also like calling the desk and having them send up room service for me. Most of the lobby men will do this as they get a commission on the appointment. I kind of like not knowing what is going to show up. About 1/4 of the time I send them away because I don't find them attractive but most of the time it's serviceable and very safe and convenient.
In short I have to agree with everybody's opinion. Dickheads trawling is fun, Saint's high flying is fun, Lexton I'm not sure about because there are no Hotels that I know about on Plaza de Mayo ("I now have the best hotel room in this Argentina city. It is a suite on the top floor, with a balcony overlooking the central plaza, church, city hall, and half the city.") so it sort of puts everything He writes under suspicion to me. My strategy is explore, try new things, read the board to avoid obvious mistakes, and above all have fun. try new things, do two girls, three girls, four girls whatever. Hobbying is supposed to be fun.
One of the things I like about this board and intend to make use of in the future is the ability to network with like minded guys. The older I get the more I understand that personally for the most part while I'm very attracted to women for the most part I don't like most of them. I enjoy hanging out with guys much more. being in BsAs I can do lots of stuff that is non hobby related. I love the exceptional food and arts. I usually see whatever is showing at the Colon and the National Teatro while I am there. I love the fairs in San Telmo, recoletta and Palermo on Saturdays and Sundays. In the future I want to hook up with Saint, DH, Andres (dude I'm serious about dinner for posting about 429) I wasn't able to go to the Saturday dinner at the Mansion this last trip but will attend in the future.
As Andres says, "Hope this helps"
DR
I'm an outsider in this BA forum. Never been there but had it on my to do list. It you want an outsiders opinion I think the topics in the last couple of days are exactly the kind a guy wants to here if he is considering going there for the first time. It's obvious now that BA is kind out of my league. But that's good that I know so I don't go there wasting my time in a city that's not right for me. It's probably better for you guys too that one less monger shows up. Thanks for the info. Maybe I'll go check out the Sosua forum.
Later guys
Mouse this should probably be a P.M. but the news that Roberta may be back in town is truly exciting for me.
As you all know she IMHO is the best of the very,very best.
My last news of her, from Fernanada also a Cafe Orleans girl, was that a very rich Spaniard had proposed marriage too Roberta and she had excepeted and had moved to Madrid.
Well if this is not the case please check it out, and I know if she's around you'll due her. If this is true please give her a few strokes and at the same time tell her "This is from Exon, this is from Exon".
Also when your done and its time to settle up please give her a few extra bucks, say $50 USD, and tell her its from Exon and to be used to buy food for her Comadora. Let me know and I'll mail you the money when you return to sex prison.
Roberta is not only best but she truly is hooker with a heart. She helps run a Comadora way out in the provincea and feeds 75 to 100 kids a day. I know Ive been their and sean it. She told me she spends about $1,000 peso's a month out of her own pocket to provide food for the kid's.
Thanks and don't beat up on Dickhead to much.
Have fun Exon.
P.S. please keep Roberta's location a private we don't want all thease horny mongers dueing her.
Dodger Bulldog
09-23-04, 22:44
Another monger PM'ed me to ask about my experiences and what general advice I would give. After spending an hour writing this, his mailbox was full.
So rather than trash it, I decided to post it here. I'm far from an expert, and there is much better information on these boards, but here are one man's thoughts:
Most of the mongering during the day is done at the cafes and apartments, or you can call internet girls.
I would definitely recommend that you try all three methods - the cafes, internet girls, and apartments, to find your own preference. Then add the clubs at night to get the full Bs. As. experience.
Internet girls tend to cost more and there is a lot of bait and switch. Plus you don't know anything about her personality, and there is no way to predict the service.
Also, I couldn't figure out a way to negotiate price over the phone, since it was pretty much a "take it or leave it" deal. (Not to mention that my Spanish sucks.)
I only went to two apartments. The guys who live in Bs. As. and are looking for their undiscovered gem have plenty of time to search for apartments.
But with limited time, I did not want to spend the better part of the day trying to find one, when there was a good chance that with only a handful of girls none will appeal to me anyway.
In my typical experience, I pushed the buzzer, tried to communicate in my poor Spanish, then waited and waited for someone to come to the door. Finally I was let in, went up an elevator, taken into an apartment, and was pointed to a depressing bedroom.
Three girls pop in, one at a time, to tell me their name and peck my cheek and disappear in about 10 seconds. I just didn't find it to be an optimum method to select someone to be intimate with and to spend my money on, even though as a rule they are cheaper ($100 pesos, maybe less).
I found it all very frustrating. I believe there is a better way.
I need to constantly remind myself never to forget that money is power and that we have all of it over here.
Just because a chica looks good to you, doesn't mean that you need to give control of the power to her. The way things are in Bs. As., they truly need us more than we need them.
An awful lot of these chicas go home penniless at the end of their shift. Or maybe even in the hole, because they have to pay their house fee.
We can always find another chica at the very next table, or next door. But if they lose one of us they may not gain the interest of another man all of that day, or the rest of that night.
And maybe not tomorrow either.
Even if she is smoking hot, she risks striking out if she keeps her price up too high.
That is their reality. Take the time to understand it, and you will empower yourself.
Because on the contrary, for us it is all a game. It is all playtime.
So why not enjoy the entire process to the hilt?
That is why I favor the cafes. I LOVE the mating ritual there.
I relish looking over the chicas in a well lit environment, watching the effect that I have on them. I love to see them nod, and wink, and smile.
As I gaze around the room, their heads go up and down as if they are doing the wave. And just because I am there.
It sort of reminds me of my puppy's unconditional love for me.
So I found myself being very critical and ruling out a chica because her tits were too small, or her ass was too high, or I didn't like the way that she plucks her eyebrows.
All these were girls who I would do in a heartbeat at home, but they just weren't QUITE good enough in Bs. As.
LOL.
I also realize how much of the game is psychological. I would be drawn to the ones sitting behind me, or around a corner, because I couldn't see them well enough to find out their flaws.
Or, I might have been sitting there debating my choices for over an hour when one would maybe get up to leave, or perhaps because another man indicated his interest. And I would think "damn it, I was just about to call her over."
In reality, it was just that she was no longer available to me that suddenly made her SO much more attractive.
At last, I would motion a special one over to see how she would engage this little dance of ours.
Game was on.
After a while I was able to judge how the conversation was going, and I would visualize how things might be if I took her back to my room. I would honor her by buying her a coffee or tea, if I felt sufficiently enchanted.
All leading to my final delicious choice - whether to negotiate now, or send her away and call for someone else.
By this time the chica had spent a lot of time and considerable amount of effort with me, and was probably already deciding exactly how she would be spending my money once she got off work for the night.
Thus, by now she was fully invested in closing this deal. It gave her a strong incentive to work with me and at least make something to take home.
Or have to crawl back to her table in the plain view of her friends (and competitors), admitting to defeat.
And having to start all over.
Meanwhile, I could have another chica sitting next to me before the first one's butt could hit her chair. And I would do it just to make a point to all the others in the room.
Bottom line, I felt intoxicated with the power that I had to bring them such joy just by selecting them to talk with me.
And the ones with whom I actually consummated an accord seemed to be in a state of bliss simply because they had found their work for the day.
Such a good way to start, in search of a great finish!
Cafe Orleans is where it is at during the day. The place is hopping by 11 AM, with up to 30 attractive women in their 20's and 30's. Also, I found that these women were much more like GFE's than those in the clubs.
I think that because the focus is on conversation over coffee, that there is a "courting" process, and even a "bonding" that occurs prior to hooking up, which definitely embellishes the experience.
But that might just be me, romantic fool.
Excedra is about 8 blocks away and is also a cafe. It doesn't get many girls in until 5 PM, but is much busier at night. It also has legitimate couples out for dinner or coffee, and a much lower ratio of chicas to men. The women tend to be older - 30's, 40's even some 50's, but a few younger ones come by.
I pulled out a beautiful twosome in their twenties, who were moonlighting there for a few hours before going to work at Madahos that night. They were great together, at half the price ($300 AR total for both) that I would have paid at Madahos.
And of course, I had no cover charge to pay or drinks to buy.
I discovered Cutty Sark, just around the corner from Orleans, late in my trip. An older night club, with nice woodwork and atmosphere, and well lit enough to actually see the chicas. There even was a decent singer for entertainment.
I could sit and talk to the girls. I discovered a sweet and innocent 20-year old to take back to my room. Long red hair, green eyes, nubile ass, awesome smile. Simply incredible.
So at night I would often walk the area - Orleans, Cutty Sark, then up to Catto's, Hook and Ness, then a couple more blocks over to check out Excedra.
It took a couple hours to complete the circuit, having one drink at each place. Then I would retrace my path, talking again to the favorita I had seen during my first pass, while checking for fresh blood.
The girls I talked to would never know if I was coming back, and if I was, if I would ever be talking to them again. They DID know that I was checking out everyone everywhere and that they had lots of competition.
Being unpredictable was a definite advantage. Once it got down to negotiations, I think this worked in my favor.
I stumbled onto one little trick by accident. I was at Catto's, and told a chica that I wasn't taking anyone home that night because I had already been with two girls from Excedra that evening.
I said my eyes coveted her body but my cock insisted "no mas."
It was clear that I wasn't starved for sex, and she realized that I wasn't an easy mark. But I was the only thing she had going at the time. So she responded by lowering her asking price from an initial $300 pesos to $100.
Deal.
I quote Dickhead: "I wasn't real hungry, but I could eat again."
I decided to use that same story on all the chicas the rest of my trip and I believe that it helped me get consistently lower prices.
I hope that this is the kind of information that you were looking for and that some of it is useful to you. Damn, I wish I was in your shoes heading back!
Buena suerte!
DB
Fun times. :)
Thanks for the report.
Moondog
HappyGoLucky
09-23-04, 23:52
Mouse,
Re: "I wanted the feature dancer (the Nicest Body in there) at Madahos, who I was told was off limits."
I was told the same thing last March at Madahos (I don't know if it was the same dancer, but I couldn't take my eyes off her), so I took another. MY BAD! Next time will be different. Thanks for the info.!!
-HGL
Has anyone ever taken a feature dancer from Madahos for a quick trip? Would love to know what you paid in total for the experience. I have wanted to do it a few times but never got around to it. Call me cheap but don't call me Harry.
Starfe
Greetings Everyone,
I am pleased to announce that I will be the official host of this week's Saturday Evening Dinner Party at the Mansion, to be held as usual on September 25th, from 9:00 pm to Midnight.
All local and visiting mongers are welcome to attend.
The menu features Cabana Los Lilas brand steaks, including Bife de Lomo and Bife de Choriso, along with a couple of chicken breasts and pork chops tossed for variety, all cooked over an open charcoal flame in the Mansion's Argentina style barbecue.
These steaks are identical to the ones served at Cabana Las Lilias in Puerto Madera, from their ranch, and with their label. Simply stated, they're superb.
Along with these 1st class steaks will be the usual accouterments of Argentina grilled sausages, provletta, American-style tossed green salad, fresh baked bread, and a special dessert that I won't decide upon until I consult with the chef.
Drinks will include the usual beverages, beer and an assortment of wines and champagnes.
All guests are encouraged to bring a date, but it is not required. I am going to invite a limited number of English-speaking female guests to keep the conversation lively.
The Dinner Party will wrap up at approximately midnight, which should provide ample time for everyone to hit their favorite bar, boliche or disco for continued entertainment.
Seating is limited. Please RSVP me at Jackson@ArgentinaPrivate.com for additional details and a map with directions in English and Spanish.
Thanks,
Jackson
Dodger Bulldog, now I know why you did so well on your price list. You have a PHENOMENAL understanding of the dynamics of the situation. And it generally applies to all of the situations, not just the cafes, although I have never heard a good solution to the terrible language problem of phone contact in general. Great description.
To Daddy Rulz, sorry it was not more obvious, but if you read the post you will see I am not describing BA at all(less than 50 women total sex industry). I left BA, and have been travelling in Paraguay and the provinces for 5 months.
To Dodger:
We could be brothers!
Your information is top notch. I love Orleans in the day, and sometimes at night. CuttySark is a sure-thing backup. If all of that posturing and cultivating goes awry, CuttySark is only a five minute walk away!
Sort of like checking for something you need at the dollar store before spending $1.29 at Walmart.
I also agree about the apartments. Too much like TJ or something. Such a romantic city and the chase (as it were) provides at least 40% of the enjoyment. Why waste it walking into a dingy, high-pressure, cookie-cutter environment? Like the RLD in Amsterdam or Soho in the UK.
Thanks for the information and warning about Newports. Too, bad. I often have a buddy with me, so hopefully that will decrease our chances of deceit!
Can't wait till December!!
Jav'
Dodger Bulldog
09-24-04, 18:29
Daddy Rulz,
You make some very good points. Obviously we both agree that it is a wise investment to treat the chicas well.
If you want a GFExperience, it helps to provide a BFExperience.
You are also wise to foreshadow your knowledge and experience to the chicas before discussing price.
Thanks to those of you expressed your comments on my recent post. I appreciate it.
DB
Some or even most of the privados (apartments) in BA are indeed dingy but I do not agree that they are "high pressure" or "cookie cutter." Yes, one time I was asked for 10 pesos to leave Rivadavia 1929 after I passed on all the chicas. No, I did not pay it. No, they did not break my arms. Yes, one time I allowed myself to be "upsold" into taking an hour instead of half an hour in Sarmiento 1828. No pressure most of the time and low pressure when pressure is applied, IMO.
And a lot of the privados have specialties so I don't think cookie cutter can be blanketly used either. Like Suipacha 921 specializes in threesomes, Laprida 947 specializes in (fake) school girls, and so forth.
BTW last night at Nuevo Estilo I was shocked by how much weight Antonela had put on and I did not want to fuck her. Also Greta got totally naked last night. That chick is really, really built but I still don't like her.
I discussed with the manager at NEB about how my buddy Stormy was not happy with the "new" transitorio they are using. It turns out that the guy who owns NEB also owns the new transitorio, hence the switch. However, José said it is not mandatory to use the new one and mongers can use whatever one they prefer. Problem solved.
Also I heard that the guys who own Ness, Jaz, and Cutty Sark are planning to open a new club on Marcelo T near Callao. I will provide more details as I hear them.
Big Dave Ray
09-24-04, 22:07
Hi fellow mongers,
I will be at the Hotel Emperador in BA in December. Are there any site or decent clubs near by, and what's the going rate?
EDITOR's NOTE: Posting of this report was delayed pending revisions to add standard capitalization throughout the text. To avoid delays in future reports, please refrain from using the "chat room" style of writing with no capital lettering. Thanks!
Dickhead:
I agree with your description of private apartments. They aren't necessarily high-pressure or cookie-cutter.
Respect to Greta, I recognize that she's very cute, but has a real b*tchy attitude. The few times I talked to her she looked at me as an extremely stuck-up lady.
As for the new boliche at MT Alvear, it's hard to believe. Being a residential district with many schools and embassies nearby, it's very unlikely that they could go unperceived.
Andres
Although, Callao was just an approximation of where she said it would be. I heard and understood the street at the time she said it but amazingly was too drunk to remember exactly. But, the more I think about it I think she said Uruguay and Marcelo T. Anyway we shall see. This chica has worked in several boliches including all three points of the Triangle, and she knows or claims to know the ownership structure of most of them so I consider her a more reliable source of info than most (which ain't saying too much). She told me about Jaz before anyone else had heard of it.
Greta would be a grudge fuck if anything.
Additionally, why are all these girls asking me for anal when I am not interested in it? Seems like 7 of the last 10 repeats have asked for it. I tell them, you let me CIM and then we will talk. But, for some reason, the ones who want me to CIM are not the same ones who want the anal. This seems odd to me.
But it does really suck here and the quality has gone way down hill and the prices are out of control. Plus the food is terrible and so is the weather. Go to Bolivia instead. They have the highest fresh water lake in the world and there are a lot of tall blondes there.
Daddy Rulz
09-25-04, 00:01
Lexton,
I'm like to make my appologies as public as my screw ups,
I regret my error and humbly ask your pardon Sir.
DR
Dodger Bulldog
09-25-04, 00:44
When I was hiking around Bs. As., I ran into my Nicaraguan banker buddy with whom I've done some mongering.
He introduced me to a fellow who is supposed to be opening a new boliche on Córdoba near Av. 9 de Julio.
The gentleman gave me his card, which states that it is the Cristobal Colón Pub at Av. Córdoba 937.
I don't know if this is the new club, or if it is some place that he already runs and he is now expanding his interests.
I was told it is to have 90 chicas of top quality.
Someone check it out and let us know.
DB
I believe that is the address of the late, lamented Snob, renamed "Snot" by Lexton, which had a brief but meteoric existence last year. Craziest night I ever had in BA and that is saying something. It's a big building with several levels so it has some potential in the right hands.
Dodger Bulldog
09-25-04, 01:05
Dickhead,
I suspect that it is a cultural thing in Argentina for the chicas to ask for anal when they are falling deeply in love with you.
Creates a special bond, you know. That sort of thing.
At least, the two who fell in love with me both demanded the same.
DB
New boliche at Cordoba Ave
After leaving Exedra, I passed by the front of Cordoba 937 and noticed that there is are renovation works there (lots of construction materials at the entrance). It is likely that the old "King" restart as "Cristobal Colon".
Andres
Mickey Mouse
09-25-04, 14:27
DH,
Ah, that night at Snob is definitely one for the record books and I don't think it can ever be repeated. It does bring a glow to my face whenever I think about it.
Four signs that things in Argentina are improving:
1. Many of the girls I know seem to have put on a few pounds
2. The Numbers of Picketers on 9 de Julio during the demonstrations has dwindled significantly.
3. The prices in the Restaurants are definitely on the rise
4. My Hotel Mini Bar prices have increased
A tiring Mouse
Ferris Bueller
09-25-04, 20:02
To Dodger,
Thanks for the enlightening posting. For new guys like me its useful to have a reminder like that. I'm almost tempted to write down the main points on a card and take it with me, and look at it everytime I start to think with my dick!
Guys, I think I've managed to get to most of the main places everyone talks about in my few days in BA, but I´ve managed to miss Orleans. Any pointers on how to find it?
Thx in advance
Okay, I'm sure I was wrong about the apartments. I think I'd only been to one. I'll put them back on the menu.
What would I do without this board?
Thanks,
Jav'
General Custer
09-26-04, 00:26
I´m sitting here in Bogota waiting for my flight to Buenos Aires. Wouldn´t you know it, my wingman´s flight out of Miami got nixed due to the hurricane (as did basically any flight after 6:00 p.m.), and my flight just made it under the wire of cancellation. He may be coming in on a flight tomorrow, but it´s still up in the air. In any case, I´ll be flying solo in BA tomorrow, and plan on taking in the sights, maybe stopping in at one of the cafes (given the slim pickings on Sunday afternoons), but if anyone´s up for hitting the clubs tomorrow night, PM me and let me know what´s up.
GC
RE: Nuevo Estilo
Although manager José told me I could take my chicas to whatever transitorio I wanted, the chicas that I talked to told me they would have to pay considerably more at the other three in the neighborhood, including the nice new one they formerly used. That adversely affected my negotiations and I went to the "recommended" one instead and had no problems. It is not of white wine yuppie quality, however. My chica said it will improve, with TVs and so forth to be installed. I don't give a shit so it was fine with me regardless.
Some of you may know that NEB takes a cut of the girls' earnings. This is illegal, as is the arrangement at Rio Cabaña. That may or may not bother you. What I did was to discuss with my chica why she wants to work at NEB as opposed to say the
Triangle (her sister works in one of the clubs in the triangle). She said it is because of the security. If they have problems someone comes running. She told me some horror stories of things she has heard that allegedly happened to some other chicas at Madaho's or somewhere.
I say this is bullshit and is management intimidating the chicas. I think I will no longer have sex at NEB for this reason, and will only go for the shows and drinks. Also I talked to Antonela and she said that if they turn down a paying customer, they get a lot of flak. She was with this gross disgusting guy and that is why I asked.
But on another note, the last lesbian show with Pamela and two other chicas was really good. So decide for yourselves but my thinking is this place is a little too Mafiosa for my comfort, as far as sex is concerned. Plus I heard from two different chicas that take out is no longer an option, although I think it depends on who you are.
Brigitte de Platynum.
She receives high marks on the Bairesgirls forum so I decided to give it a go.
Well I was a bit disappointed. Called her, went to her flat in MT Alvear.
100P la hora servicio completo.
The lady is nice but not as sexy, to my taste, as her pictures may suggest.
1M65, 35 years old, a bit more heavy than her pics.
BBJ OK, sex ok but nothing really to write home about. I left after 30 minutes and one shot.
I'm just back from Montevideo, Uruguay and posted a trip report in the Montevideo section. I only hobbied one night and it was very quick. Still, people like Dickhead (and your crew) might want to investigate the place. It's dirt cheap there which would probably appeal to you. Hope it helps.
Saint
Amazing Race/MTV Road Rules Extreme!!!
Last March when I was headed to the airport my remis passed and then pulled in front of a colorfully painted RV which had a cow skull and horns attached to the front of it. Painted on the RV was "Road Rules Extreme". I had a chance to look into and wave at the cast members as we pulled into the toll booth, headed to the airport.
Recently I was channel surfing and found an episode of Road Rules where the cast was in Buenos Aires. Their mission was to do a tango show supended 100 feet in the air, right next to the Plazoleta Olazabal.
Does anyone recall seeing or hearing about this? I believe they were there around the middle of March.
I also recall there was an episode of Amazing Race in Buenos Aires that was aired recently. Many places such as Recoleta, Puerto Madero and Centro were shown on both shows.
Funny that 2 very mainstream US reality shows would shoot and air in the same year. Is this a sign that Buenos Aires is trying or becoming a more mainstream tourist destination? Both shows, I'm sure needed permission and cooperation from the at least the city government to do the things they did.
General Custer
09-27-04, 05:49
Day One - Live from BA
Today was my introduction to Buenos Aires, both as a city and mongering destination. In a nutshell, I love the city, even though I write this after returning home empty-handed from the boliches. But I´m getting ahead of myself.
Checked into the Dazzler, which is a decent little hotel, although the lobby in no way reflects the rooms, which are tiny, noisy, and very plain. However, the staff are extremely nice and helpful, and the price and location are pretty good.
First things first, ran around the block to the Libertad Cafe for cafe con leche and medialunas. Excellent. People watching is a lot of fun in BA. Lots of PDA in the streets, which is a nice change from the prude culture of the United States. I checked out the Clarin while there, but there was nothing that stood out in the adult classifieds today.
Note to those using your checking account ATM card in BA: make sure to call you bank while here to increase your withdrawl limit. I was able to get only 500 pesos before I was shut out, and using my credit cards would have incurred a 20% finance charge. I purchased some calling cards from a kiosk (5 pesos), which for that price should give you 13-26 minutes of talk time depending on where in the United States you call.
Next, I went to the San Telmo fair. Okay touristy thing to do, but I wasn´t in the mood to buy anything. Made the mistake of telling the taxi driver it was first time in BA, so he took it upon himself to give me a tour on the way to San Telmo, but it didn´t add terribly to the meter. Can anyone tell me what the standard tip is for taxis here? I´ve just been rounding it up and adding a peso, without complaint from the drivers, but I don't want to be a cheapskate if I should be tipping more.
Got back and went to a nearby locuturio. Ridiculously cheap at 1 peso an hour with a nice, fast connection. From there, I decided to check out the afternoon action at Cafe Orleans and Excedra. Kudos to Moondog for his maps which made getting around BA today a piece of cake. Orleans was interesting. Mainly older (late 30´s, early 40´s), busty MILFs there today at 4 p.m. They were falling all over themselves to attract my attention, one even taking off her jacket and adjusting her bra in plain sight 4 or 5 times, checking herself out in the mirror right next to my table. One younger Paraguayan woman wanted to talk with me as I left, but the scene was not for me today. It´s an interesting place, though, and I´ll check it out again at prime time during the week. Only one working woman, past her prime, was at Excedra when I passed it on the walk back to my hotel.
Dinner at Cabañas Las Lilas was, frankly, the highlight of my day. I´ve never had bife de lomo that good (by the way, you ask for medium well by requesting the beef ´tres quartos´). Puerto Madero was also the coolest place to hang out, watching the boat travel up by the restaurant and couples walking along the waterfront. Really classy.
Finally, to the clubs. I decided to go to Madahos as my introduction to the BA boliches. Saint's recommendation to say you're a friend of Gabriel or Bobby worked to waive the cover charge, but a coke was 30 pesos - ouch. Was hit on by a couple of girls who I shooed away (one with an upper respiratory infection - thanks, chica), and settled in to watch the show. I may have seen some of you there, but most mongers were paired up, so I just chilled by myself. The feature dancers are hot, and one blond was really dancing up a storm in a minimalist style that was sensual in a way that American pole gymnastics isn´t. A really hot brunette was sitting to my left and no amount of smiling or looks from my part got her over to me, so I went over and introduced myself. She is 27 from Brazil, a solid 8 with a beautiful smile, and was willing to leave for 200 pesos plus 50 pesos bar fine, but for just 1 hour, with no BBBJ, DATY, or pictures (I know, I know, but if I'm getting the same service I could get in the States, I want mementos), so no go on the deal. This was at 3 in the morning, and she seemed content to go home without cash. I wasn't into anyone else there, so, in a moment of weakness and persuasion from a cabbie (I'm such a lazy ass), we arrive at
Black.
At this point, Jackson must be cracking a smile, because he knows what comes next. I pay my 25 entrance/drink fee and the first bad sign is 6-7 hot women leaving past me for the night. The average woman I saw at Black was indeed better looking than the average woman I saw at Madahos. I started to speak with hottest girl in the room (of a choice of about 7 left), who was probably a high 8 in the face and low 8 on the body. She would not entertain discussing price with me until I would buy her a drink (strike one: she said she didn´t know how much chica drink prices are. She also maintained that it was policy to buy a chica a drink and that she got no cut of it. Without mentioning the board - the old 'a friend of mine' - I pointed out that someone told me that the owner had informed him that there was no such requirement. She insisted I was wrong). Before the waitress came by, I asked, still without talking price here, how long of a time together we would have (strike two: she said time was not an issue; read, 'you come, I go'). Finally, the waitress arrived and said the chica drink would be 40-80 pesos. I told the girl flat out I was not going to buy her a drink without knowing what pie-in-the-sky price she would be asking. Strike 3, she leaves (or should that be a walk?). Disgusted at the whole process, I leave and vow to return when hell freezes over (or if my little brain gets desperate, whichever comes first).
So what kind of idiot goes to BA and doesn't immediately get laid? That would be me. But you know what, the service I was going to receive was doubtlessly mercenary, so I'll sleep just fine with the 250 to 300 pesos I saved, thank you very much. Let's chalk it up to being a Sunday night. Tomorrow, I try the apartments and the clubs in centro. Wish me luck.
GC
General Custer,
You approach Black the way many guys do. You have this preset notion in your head that you're going to have a bad time or that the girls will be cold. Don't. Could it happen? Of course, but if you go into ANY situation in life with a negative attitude you will most likely have bad results. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Your experience shows that those two clubs have the hottest girls. They will cost more. It's natural. Instead of expecting a bad attitude, try being positive. Some of my best sexual experiences in my life were with Black and Madaho girls. They are just girls just like every other girl out there. Behind the facade of being an expensive girl, they are just like any other girl out there and once you have get the chance to break their outer shell the results could prove to be very very good. Keep in mind though if you can't communicate with them then it will be difficult. Learn some Spanish and your sessions will improve drastically.
Your experience at Cafe Orleans mirrors every time I have gone there. Mostly older women past their prime. I gave up on those clubs long ago.
Good luck and have fun.
P.S. If anyone uses the strategy of saying you are a friend of Bobby or Gabrielle, please do actually use them if you decide to stay. I didn't give this advice for guys to be pikers. If you stay, please do order a drink and ask for Bobby or Gabrielle as your waiter. Tell them you are a friend of Saint (Santo) and they will take good care of you. Very nice guys.
El Ricardo
09-27-04, 09:24
General Custer,
Good luck today/tonight! In my opinion, Sunday is just an awful night for mongering in the clubs. Perhaps its their day off, or maybe its a day to be with families. When I was making the rounds of "the triangle" on a Sunday (about 1 AM), it was really slim pickings. I would have been smarter to go home as you did and save my resources and energy for a better and more rested day. However, being an optimist, and recognizing that my time in BA is limited, I didn't do that. BUT, an experience like this helps me appreciate the one I had the next day!
I hope it works that way for you too!
ER
Ferolga777
09-27-04, 09:40
Saint
Minor spelling issue:
Are you sure the waiter's name is "Gabrielle" and not "Gabriel"? Like, Gabriel Garcia Marquez, known as "Gabo" by his friends?
Ferolga
Daddy Rulz
09-27-04, 10:06
Mi General
I have to second Saints advice. As I wrote before, without a doubt the most amazing night I ever spent with a woman was with a girl from Black. It was my first trip to BsAs her name was Marlina, she was a Perfect 10 in face, body and attitude. No woman before or after has achieved the hat trick with me. The amount of money I spent was ridiculous as it was my first trip and I hadn't discovered this board ($200.00USD). As I said it was my first trip and only one month past devaluation, the exchange at the time was still around 2-1 I would never pay that amount today.
I look at Black in this manner, the cover is like walking into a topless bar. I'm looking for perfection and only perfection, otherwise they shouldn't be there. On other nights the chica/monger ratio is much more favorable. When it is full the whole side wall is shoulder to shoulder carne. You will get a lot of eye contact and they do this dance with only their hips that is kinda crazy but I love it. They are not allowed to approach you but they will squeeze between you and the person next to you to stand at the bar. Make use of that time, if they are cute squeeze a buttocks and kiss their cheek and say Hola. If you don't like their look, ignore them.
Personally I have never once had a problem discussing time/price before buying a drink. As I've posted before I also let them know very quickly that this isn't my first trip here (esso no es mi primera ves) and I'm not a stupid drunk Yanqui. If I ever encounter that scenario I would give them a little kiss on the cheek and thank them for their time and resume the hunt. My experience has always been that they will hang out for 5-10 minutes rubbing their tits on my chest and arms, with their hand on my thigh while they try to close the deal. Most will hit you at $100.00 to $200.00 USD, and won't settle for much less than $100.00 to $150.00 USD. Personally I just wont pay that much, so for me Black is more titillation than anything else.
I've taken 2 girls out of there, Marlina (cue the choir, Hallaluja, hallaluja, hallajua) and one other girl who's name escapes me. I took a buddy down there on a trip and He had just sold his company in the US for millions and was buying, so 4 of us went to Black as his treat. I've mentioned Marlina (again the choir) before, the other girl was $150 USD, 9.0 face, body attitude. We spent 2 hours in the room she got two pops out of me and was working on a third when I called it a night.
Gentleman I maintain the idea that WE, not the chicas hold all the Aces. They may have a monopoly on the tang but we have the cash. Most nights there are more chicas than mongers in the clubs, when you consider only mongers that are actually going to spend money then there are WAYYYYYYYY more of us. If you don't like the service your getting in the bar, IE. rushed unfriendly, then you are not going to like the service in your room. If you don't like the approach, thank them for their time and move on. There is no shortage of beautiful women to be found in BsAs for 150-200 pesos. And while I may disagree with our fearless leader about Black, the one thing I absolutely agree with him about is NEVER, EVER, not even once, pay first. Show them the money, let them smell the money but never pay until you have received what you have negotiated for. (this strategy will not work at apartments) Otherwise your going to get less service because in their minds, once they have the money in hand they are looking towards the next deal because you are done. Make this understood at the club before you leave and in your room when they try to weasel out of it, hand them 5 pesos and put your jacket back on. When they ask what it's for tell them their taxi because your going someplace else to find a different girl. They will quickly change their minds.
Sunday isn't that big of a mongering day, lots of girls don't work it and 1707 isn't even open. I'm not sure if it's a religious thing or a familia thing but that's alway been my experience. Things will slowly warm up during the week hitting and maintaining a fever pitch from Thursday through Saturday.
General I envy you, it would be cool to see the city through the eyes of a beginner once again. Have a blast, eat tons of good food, sample the different aspects of the mongering scene, tour the Opera House, and some museums, buy some coffee and sit in Plaza San Martin and watch the world go by. It's a great city with much more than mongering to be done. Don't get into any taxi's that don't say "radio taxi" on the back door and have a blast.
As Andres says, "hope this helps"
DR
Evan Escence,
Cafe Orleans is located at the corner of San Martin and Cordoba.
Moondog
Who knows how to spell his name. Just ask for Gabriel or Gabrielle. I doubt they will ask you to spell out his name. Good luck.
General Custer,
I'm glad the maps helped you.
Cafe Orleans if primarily a business man's cafe, so the best hours are from noon on during the normal business week.
Cafe Exedra is best after 3:00 p.m. on a business week, and may really get going during the late hours of the weekends, such as Friday, Saturday, and Sunday nights up to around 2:00 a.m. All of this varies condsiderably from day to day and week to week. Like Orleans though, it is geared towards the business man, but does have a lot of activity during the late night hours.
I have found some very pretty girls in the cafes, so give them a fair chance.
Moondog
Dancesw/Chicas
09-27-04, 12:38
Hi amigos,
I am here in Buenos Aires for a little less than 2 weeks.
I plan on posting my experiences as soon I get back home.
Right now, I want know if there is another traveller in town
to hang out.
Basically, I do a lot of walking, visiting cafes and private
apartments plus some other incall places (with 1 to 3 girls
only).
My address: jamesofba@yahoo.com
Following someone post about Sundays, I went last night to
Salome and it was very quiet and kind of boring.
later, DWC
Sunday dilemma:
As El Ricardo and others have pointed out, that Sunday could easily be the worst day of the week regarding chica actions. I figured that out during my first trip. Since then, before I make any plans, I always make sure that Sundays are taken care of. If you like somebody during your weekday encounters, try to make a confirm date with her for Sunday. This is the easiest way I found to secure the Sundays. I don't even hit any clubs on Sunday nights anymore.
If you really want clubs on Sundays, visit the clubs where lots of Paraguayans and chicas from other countries are employed (Rio Cabaña --almost 90% from Paraguay). For them every day of the week is the same.
Café Orleans:
This trip I spent considerable time in this café. I found the best time and the day is Thursday, between 3 to 6 PM. Lots of younger and desirable chicas along with the regular maduras were available.
Café Excedra:
For best selections, go after midnight, especially during weekends (Moondog is absolutely right).
Of course, there is no hard and fast rules. But generally these observations are time tested.
Just my three (after devaluation) cents.
Bandy
General Custer
09-27-04, 16:32
Day Two - Custer's first stand
You're right, Saint. I went into Black expecting the worst, and, truth be told, they couldn't have been nicer to me. The negativity in my post was largely colored by my 4:30 in the morning disappointment (I never said anything like pie-in-the-sky to the chica and was courteous when declining to buy her a drink...the conversation ended with a hug and a kiss). With a night of rest to reflect on it, I should have bought her a drink, hung out, and seen where it went from there. I was overly eager to go back to my hotel with someone after striking out at Madahos, so while I wasn't rude or beligerent, I was trying to rush things, which was totally counterproductive. Live and learn.
The Dazzler breakfast was decent this morning with eggs, bacon, medialunas, OJ, , and I saw perhaps a fellow monger with his waifish bombshell latina, although I couldn´t place her nationality.
To Santa Fe I went at 2 p.m. this afternoon, and just like most (with one monumental exception!) was very pleased with the selection of girls, the environment, and the value. The best $33 I've ever spent BAR NONE. Chose Joanna, very cute and simpatica, 2 pops, will be back, life is good. Maybe see some of you at the clubs tonight.
GC
Norman Stormin
09-27-04, 17:28
Buenos Aires the Hardway
Confessions of a Neophite
I fell in love with an Argentine in 1984. Each year she went home for a month and I would join her for 2 weeks. Six annual trips culminating in the purchase of an apartment after the economic collapse of 1989. (Her title, my money). She left me in 1990. No contact until 2002 when she invited me to visit. Her true motive was she wanted to visit the states and needed my help clearing her name with the IRS. She skipped owing them quite a sum. I went for 4 weeks during which time we toured Argentina from Iguazu to Ushuaia. I was only in B/A for 2 nights. I have always had a great time with her but she has never allowed me out of her sight. I was clueless about the P4P scene in Argentina.
Last year I came for 2 months, determined to get to know the city better. I was entertained well but still could not shake her. Half way into the trip, we had gone to a concert at the Colon and decided to go for a walk downtown. We went into Cafe Excedra for a snack. Something was not right about this place. After ordering, it suddenly struck me waht was amiss here: I was the only male patron; we were the only couple; and there were six single women seated at six different tables. I asked my ex if it wasn't a social tabo for single women to be out alone at night. Could these possibly be working girls? She confirmed that they were and that this area was well known for this activity because of foreign businessmen staying here. I thought I'll have to come back here, ALONE.
The next day I made a beeline for Excedra about noon. What a disappointment. Just a lot of businessmen having lunch and no women. I concluded mongering was a late night activity which would be impossible under my circumstances.
My next introduction was the eve of my birthday in Recoletta. My ex had planned a big party and I decide to have a pre fiesta celebration all by my lonesome. She was busy preparing for the next day and I told her I was going for a long walk and not to expect me until late. She was happy to see me get out of her way.
I had a 3 hour lunch with a bottle of wine and then went to a pizzeria next to the cinema entrance near McDonalds. I asked the waiter how much a large draft was. I paid in advance for ten plus a 20 peso tip, instructing him to never allow my glass to be empty, and under no circumstances allow me more than ten. We had an understanding. I was into my third when a 30 something beauty sat at the table next to me. She ordered a wine. Could this be what I think it is? I am the only patron and she chose a table next to me. She confirmed it when she took a cigarette out and asked me, not the waiter, for a light.
After a 30 minute get aquainted session, she offered to help me celebrate my birthday at her nearby apartment. I eagerly accepted, paid her tab, tipped the waiter another ten pessos and reminded him I had another 7 beers coming. He said no probem. I spent a wonderful 2 hours with her. We did not discuss price until I was ready to leave and she asked for 300 pesos. She said it was a special rate because of my birthday adding that she usually gets twice that at the nearby club she works. Not knowing any difference, I thought that was quite reasonable considering the services rendered.
It's now about 9pm and I have 7 beers to drink before midnight. I head back to the pizzeria and am happy to see my table reserved as the place has filled up. As a birthday bonus, there is a chamber group playing on the esplanade directly in front of the cafe. What a wonderful party! Out of curiosity, I ask the waiter about these clubs in the nieghborhood. He tells me there are a few right up the street at the corner of the cemetary. Shortly past midnight my waiter informs me this is my 10th beer. What service ! What a wonderful day ! What a beautiful city ! Having accomplished my mission, I finished my beer and tipped him yet another ten. I had made a friend for life. He embraced me, wished me happy birthday, and I stumbbled off for a cab.
Wait a minute. I've got to check out these clubs. I made my way to the one on the corner. I don't know the name. The maitre"de politely told me it was closed for a private party. I said that's ok. I'm already drunk and nearly broke because it's my birthday. I'll come back another day. The doorman overheard the conversation and asked if was really my birthday. He marched me to the club next door, had a few words with that doorman and told me to have a good time. The new doorman sat me center stage, ordered a beer and wished my happy birthday. I was awestruck. There had to be 50 women and only a handfull of men. I was also embarrased and explained I was nearly broke and too drunk for a woman. He said no prblem, it was on the house. I feasted on the eye candy for about 30 minutes. I then thanked the doorman with 20 pesos, went next door for another 20 pesso thank you, and had 10 pessos left for the cab ride home.
To be continued before another line interuption.
Cool General Custer. I'm glad to hear that. I have several friends that had the same attitude as you at first then later in their trips they discover that their best sessions were with girls from Black or Madahos. Most of my friends are very picky like me. Part of the "Black girl experience" is total pyschology. Generally they THINK they are worth more. It may or may not be true, but if you go in there acting like a piker I've found that you are shooting yourself in the foot. I've traveled around to a lot of places in the world and gone to higher end clubs like Black in many countries. One thing is the same no matter what country you are in. The girls think they are worth more and they are quickly turned off by a cheapo guy. If you are going to pull out a girl from Black or similar type club you can do small things that help you let them know you find their time is valuable.
This may be too much damn trouble for many guys. Heck, I don't blame you. However, if you do want to pull out a model type, you can do small things. You don't have to buy a drink immediately to talk to her. Before calling her over, just go up to her and ask her simple questions before committing yourself to buying her a drink. If a girl won't give you the time of day and won't chit chat with you then it's a clear sign they aren't interested and move on. Almost every girl in the world though appreciates being told they are beautiful. Ask her where they are from and comment that all the girls from X city/country are gorgeous and you want to visit that city/country. Do you get tired of girls commenting that you are attractive? I didn't think so.
Of course if you can't speak the language you are somewhat limited on your interaction but most girls know enough to know simple things like, "where are you from, etc.". Girls can read body language. You can try getting phone numbers but many girls won't give it out unless you pull them out at least once. I have received several numbers and I have been with friends that also got numbers without pulling them out. Also, keep in mind that several girls from Black have their own business cards with their numbers on it. I've gotten a few over the years. Some might not give you their number but I found if you discreetly give them a business card with your name and phone number, many will call you during the day when they aren't competing to leave with a "whale" for the night.
Again, I'm not endorsing Black. I just truly believe they have the hottest girls out of any club in Buenos Aires. What you do with them is up to you. Good luck.
Norman Stormin
09-27-04, 18:09
Buenos Aires the Hardway
Confessions of a Neophite
Part II
WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN? It was my 2 am birthday greeting. I proudly admitted it was my birthday, I got drunk, and I got laid. I defiantley added that I had been deceived for 20 years and the charade was over. I would henceforth have a different woman every day for the duration of my stay. If this was not agreeable, I would immediately go to a hotel. She told me to get in the shower and cleanse my filthy body before I get in bed with her. Having asserted my manhood and cleared my conscience, I slept like a baby.
The next day was, to say the least, a bit icy. She had one question : Did you kiss her? I promptly answered I would NEVER kiss a prostitute. End of conversation. At my party that evening, I related the Excedra part of the story to 2 Kiwis who were taking Spanish lessons from my ex. We had gone out several times with them and their purported fiancees. It turns out they are both married with wives in New Zealand and their fiancees are only paid perfomers for certain public events. These are 2 of the biggest mongers in Buenos Aires who eagerly volunteer to show me the ropes. We made a luncheon appointment for the next week at Cafe Orleans.
They took me to my first apartment (1707 Santa Fe). They also explained the Clarin adds and, most importantly, told me about the Forum. What a wonderful revelation. This whole country is one big Hollywood facade. It took me 20 years to discover this is the greatest adult Disneyland in the world. The last two weeks were an unforgetable adventure. I am eagerly planning a 3 month sojourn this year and hope to meet some of you locals.
Until then, I remain the new kid on the block.
Stormin
Daddy Rulz
09-27-04, 19:15
General Custer,
I also am glad you reconsidered your opinion. Saint and I think so much alike on this matter we may be the same person. On the other hand we disagree on the Apartments somewhat. I think for getting bang out of your peso nothing beats them. Plus I never have to worry about anything disappearing from my room. (an unusual circumstance in BsAs but none the less a consideration). I have been to 1707 20 or 30 times with great result. The quality of the girls is rarely less than good. Only once did I opt to leave without a session. I would suggest you try 429 Maipu piso 5, of the two I think 429 is much better, both in Chica's and lodgings. Also the 921 Suipacha 2 for 100 pesos for 40 minutes can't be missed. The quality of the girls is not as good but it is two of them and in Dickhead math 2 5's equals at least an 8 and that's good enough for a Dickhead at 100 peso's. (Dickhead never said that but it seems like something He would say)
I would caution you on one thing, never convert peso's to dollars in your head to determine value. In Argentina a peso spends about like a dollar here in the States. if you start thinking well for $32.00 USD that was a pretty good deal you open yourself up for Yanqui pricing. The average Argentinian working person makes between 600-900 pesos a month so 100 peso's for a girl is a lot of money. When determining value think in peso's and your dollar will go further. I don't mean to lecture you just trying to give you the value of my experience. If something would be worth $100.00 USD then pay $100.00 AR if you pay more you have been over charged. If you look at the cost of food in restaurants, clothes, taxi's, Hotels etc. you will see that this comparison holds true.
Happy Hunting
DR
To All WSG mongers,
This is a report regarding my first trip to Buenos Aires. I will be doing this report in two parts. This first part will be more of an overview of my impressions of the different options available. The second part will be a report of my experiences with specific chicas.
I chose to stay in a hotel outside of the ‘tourist’ area of Recoleta because I prefer to immerse myself in the culture of the culture I am visiting. In this way I can experience the real culture of the people, the food, etc.
While I was there I connected with a number of WSG (and other) mongers. Went to dinner with MRLA and Saint; met Jackson, Capt Dave, Dodger Bulldog at the Mansion and met a couple of other mongers not associated with WSG. Visited Matt from WSG at his home as he is now living there. I also hung around with Dickhead and Stormy from WSG a few times-both are great guys and it was fun hanging with them. Dickhead was a big help in my adjusting to Buenos Aires and is a wealth of information regarding the chicas, clubs, restaurants and the city in general. It was great to meet other WSG mongers.
This was a very enjoyable trip and I intend to return frequently, in fact my next trip will be in January (if there are other mongers intending to travel then, let me know-we can hook up). Buenos Aires is great. The people are very warm and welcoming, the city has many facets that make it very enjoyable, to food and wine is excellent and of course the chicas are fantastic. Buenos Aires is a place where I could live.
After having tried all the available monger options: internet girls; the apartments and most of the clubs, here is my view of those options.
INTERNET GIRLS
After the first day of calling, negotiating, deciding upon and in some cases being stood up or surprised at what showed up, along with the service/attitude provided, I have fully decided they are a waste of time and money.
Advantages:
The internet chicas are available during the day, unlike the club chicas. They come to you are your hotel, no need to go find the chicas. Additionally, unlike the club chicas, there is no delay on the sex. The internet girls show up and the sex can begin.
Disadvantages:
Pricing-from my experience, on the hole (pun intended), the internet chicas tend to charge more and provide a bit less service/attitude. They also tend to be in more of a hurry than the other chicas. Additionally, there is a certain percentage that will not show up so you will have to go back to your list and begin searching again. Lastly, the chica that shows up in all likelihood is nothing like her picture. Most require the money before the sex.
APARTMENTS
I visited four different apartments twice during my vacation. I enjoyed the experience and believe this is a viable option. While all the chicas at the apartments are not of the club-level quality, I found at least 3 at each apartment doable each time I went (no, I do not have low standards. Price is not my primary determining factor on chosing a chica or a club). In fact, there were many that if dressed more seductively, made-up and presented in the atmosphere of the clubs, could have easily competed against the regular club chicas (see my next report for the names of some).
Advantages:
The chicas are available during the day. For guys who want to do two chicas a day, they can do an apartment chica in the day and a club chica at night. The price is less and the sex service and attitude are excellent. I was never rushed, the chicas stayed the entire time and even initiated round two when I was too tired. Some asked for the money after sex, some before.
Disadvantages:
Relatively limited selection if you visit the same place about the same time on other days. The apartments do not present themselves well. They are not furnished or dressed as a ‘normal’ apartment and they are darker. This may turn some mongers off, but it was not as issue for me. I never found the apartments to be filthy or disgusting.
CLUBS
Overall, I enjoyed the clubs the best. I loved the mating interaction that takes place in the clubs prior to taking the chica back to the hotel for sex. This was a turn-on for me, scanning the chicas, smiling, flirting, talking with some, then buying them a drink before negotiating a price, then taking them home. A couple of mongers I spoke with (3 of 4 not associated with WSG) spoke of how hot looking the chicas they took out of Black or Madahos were, they never talked about how great the sex was. I know some guys have the fantasy of fucking the hottest women around. I prefer to fuck great looking chicas that provide great sex and a fun attitude. To each his own.
Other poster were right that Saturdays and Mondays were a bit slow and Sundays were very slow, but this was regarding the mongers NOT the chicas. There were plenty of chicas in the clubs every night.
Advantages:
A large selection of chicas to choose from. This selection varies from one night to the next. Great atmosphere for the mating interaction. Pricing (club specific) was very good even when factoring in the chica drinks. Most of the chicas stayed well past the agreed upon time, not one was in a hurry. Not a single chica even asked for the money before sex, in fact, none asked after, I initiated making the payment.
Disadvantages:
The chicas do not arrive at the clubs until 11pm or midnight. It is possible to work on a couple of chicas, not agree on the price or services and go home empty (and hard & horney). This never happened to me, but I can see where it can happen and that would be a fucking *****.
I will break this next club part down into three area: Blacks/Madahos, the Triangle clubs and Estilo Nuevo and all the others (Shampoo, Affaire, Closer, New Port).
Blacks/Madahos:
Over-hyped in my opinion. Yes, there is a huge selection of chicas. Yes, the girls are very hot and many speak English (not an issue for me) but most I interacted with came with a bit of an attitude that the mongers were lucky to get them. I worked on several at Madahos, buying them drinks, talking then negotiating with them and found I was turned-off by their cold professionalism, inflexibility and attitude. I see no reason that I will visit these in future vacations, especially given the cover charge and very high chica drinks. At Black expect to pay a minimum of 300 pesos and at Madahos expect to pay a minimum of 200 pesos (if you are lucky). In my experience none of the chicas would budge below 250 pesos plus the cover plus the 50 peso chica drink. I know one monger who paid $300 US for 1 Madahos chica. Doing that hurts us all.
Triangle clubs and Nuevo Estilo:
I was most comfortable in these clubs. Perhaps it is true the chicas are not quite as hot (although I somewhat challenge this), but they have a great attitude and provide outstanding service. If a Blacks or Madahos chica is a 9.5, most of these chicas are 7 to 9.0 in looks but they are far superior in sex and attitude, which is more important to me.
Shampoo, Affaire, Closer, New Port:
Shampoo is a club I would more closely align with the Triangle clubs regarding chica selection, quality, availability and attitude than I would with Black or Madahos. It would be a choice after the Triangle clubs and Nuevo Estilo. Affaire, Closer and New Port are a waste of time, in my opinion, although there are times you can find a good chica there. It is just so much harder, requiring more visits.
Excedra and Orleans:
Did not pull any chicas out. Found the selection to be fair, at best. Probably would not pull any chicas out of there. The prices are generally lower, which is an advantage.
Summary-my opinion only:
For guys who do not like the bar scene or want less work to get the sex, who do not want to play the mating game at the clubs and do not want to stay out late, and who think the apartments are low class, then the internet chicas are for you. Just be prepared to pay a bit more and expect to be surprised when the chica shows up.
For those who want less expensive sex during the day (or at night) and do not want to do the mating game but still can find some attractive chicas who provide excellent sex, the apartments are the option.
For those who like to play the mating game, want a good selection of chicas, and enjoy a flirtatious, fun, sexual atmosphere where the prices are a bit lower, then the Triangle clubs and Nuevo Estilo are for you.
For those who want the biggest selection and the hottest looking chicas in an antiseptic approach to the mating game, one that comes across as pure business and has higher prices, then Black and Madahos are the best choice.
Hope this was informative. Sorry for the long post. Part two: The Chicas, in a later report.
Stowe
A few recent notes: Saturday I did Patricia from Nuevo Estilo. Her sister Susana works at Catto's. I have had her on my list for a while. We negotiated 130 plus hotel but when we got there she said that was for half an hour. I said no, we agreed on an hour and I will just leave and be out the 33 pesos for the hotel. She tried the old "everyone else here gets 200" and I said, okay, we will go back and ask Débora and Antonela what I pay them cuz it ain't 200. I offered 140, she saved face, and the session was quite good.
Sunday I went to Santa Fe 3373 5C again and did half an hour with Támara for 40p. She was the only girl available but she was just fine. A very good CBJ and her vagina is very deep. No kissing or GFE but that isn't what I want from a privado anyway.
Then later a few of us were in Exedra and my Peruvian showed up so I said "vámonos" and off we went. She was sick but starting to get better so I fed her some split pea soup and two multivitamins and then we did our usual fuck, sleep, fuck, eat, sleep, fuck, and eat routine. An excellent value on a per hour or per pop basis and a very nice girl. Other mongers who like a taller, curvier, more full figured gal might want to give her friend Maite, also from Bagua, a few good loads.
Just a short review to cap off my BA reports. I finished my last day with a matinee visit to Corrientes 1965. Saw Lorena and Nicole, but I picked Candela out of the line up. A taller brunette, she had long legs and a firm ass. Not a great looker, but a tight firm and plush body that only a 20-year old can have. It was a great choice, and a good way to finish off my trip. She was a GFE/PSE combined. DFK from the start, BBBJ done the right way, between my legs rather than side saddle, different positions. When we were in round two, I paused to work on her with my fingers while she was on all fours. It was spectacular to make her come and feel her dripping wet and writhing against my hand while I squeezed her sweet ass cheeks with my other hand. She did her darndest to return to favor and make sure I popped twice. At the end of the session, she seemed almost surprised that I tipped her. Total damage,70 pesos for the hour. Viva Buenos Aires!
P.S. I received some PMs asking for more details of my bottom-fishing expeditions. I think everything is already in my previous posts or on the list of private apartments in the Argentina section.
Speculator
09-28-04, 01:59
General Custer,
I’m envious. I wish I was going to Madaho’s and Black's tonight. But I’m not; I’m stuck in the States at the moment. If I was going to Blacks tonight I can tell you that I would not hesitate to buy a chica a drink before I discussed price with her, provided, that I was really, really interested in her. In my experiences at Blacks, I have definitely discussed price before buying girls drinks, many times. I have also had girls tell me that they could not discuss price without me first buying them a drink. I personally think that the management does tell the girls that they should not discuss price until a drink is bought. I also believe that some girls are closer to the management than other girls, and are more apt to follow management’s suggestion on the matter. I believe this because it’s what I’ve observed and learned from my experiences there.
Obviously you can’t go around buying drinks for chicas that you are marginally interested in, just to find out the expense. Pick your spots. You’re on vacation. If you see a chica that does it for you and she asks you to buy her a drink, try to stave it off as best you can until you get your info and if you can’t, go ahead and spring, but spring for the cheaper drink. At Blacks there are 2 different prices for the girl’s drinks. Be clear when ordering.
I also don’t know your budget, but a lot of good things happen sometimes after having a few drinks yourself with the chica. You get to know her a little, feel her out. Stay loose. A lot of guys get so fixated on getting the cheapest overall experience possible and not buying drinks, and blah blah blah, but your on vacation. You did not fly 5,000 miles to save some pesos or hook up with sub par chicas. Get yourself a hot girl or two at Blacks, buy her and yourself a drink and have yourself a blast with a hottie that’s unattainable back home at that expense level. What ends up happening is that you have angst when your there about what you might end up spending, and then you have angst when you get home, or a month from now, and you think back and you say to yourself
“Damn, why didn’t I buy that hottie a drink?” “What could have happened?” I’ve done it and I can tell you it’s no good.
Saint is right again. You can also get phone numbers from girls and even slip them yours for a cheaper encounter the next day. If your leaving Black’s or Madaho’s alone and heading somewhere else, go up to a chica you like, tell her that you think she is beautiful, but unfortunately you have no time now and have to leave to meet someone somewhere, but you’d love to get together with her tomorrow afternoon as you slip her your number. This has worked very well for me.
I hope this advice is welcomed by you and taken in the best possible way. I look forward to reading your posts and hearing what happens.
Speculator
Mr Jetsetter
09-28-04, 03:56
I want to thank everybody for their contributions to this board -- they have inspired me to visit Buenos Aires for the first time in November, and I have taken advantage of services offered by Roxana, Mayra, and Ana to smooth the way. With Roxana's help, I will sample the internet scene, but I will also visit apartments, cafes, and clubs.
I have encountered occasional mention of the "Triangle" clubs but haven't been able to figure out what specific clubs are included in this reference and where they are located. Any help in answering this question would be greatly appreciated.
I have been lucky enough to sample the mongering scene in a number of cities around the world and am curious to see how BA stacks up. If any veterans of the BA scene are in town between November 13-22 and are willing to share their knowledge, wisdom and company for an evening, I could easily be persuaded to spring for dinner at the restaurant of their choice. I am definitely planning to attend one of the Saturday parties at the mansion. Maybe I will even be lucky enough to meet one of my true heros: Jackson, the man who has made this marvelous fountain of world-wide information possible!
General Custer
09-28-04, 04:26
Night two - Ay papi
I visited La Recoleta for the first time this afternoon (besides the clubs the other night) and can see its appeal. Very refined and inviting at the same time. Everything you could want, from restaurants to boliches to you name it all within a short walk in the village. I ate at Pepe Pomo (cute waitresses...my lord) which provided a delicious and enormous bife de chorizo. Hung around the village a little longer, but the soporific effects of the meal took me back to the hotel, where I slipped into a postprandial coma.
Woke up this evening and walked across 9 de Julio to the Triangle. Touts began bum-rushing me from out of nowhere, but I finally made it into Cattos. And then Hooks. And then Ness. My opinion: doable women, certainly (albeit some only for free), but still plenty of them on this Monday night. It hit me tonight more than yesterday that I am really missing my wingman - you're a sitting duck for constant unwanted attention if they see you by yourself. Welcome to the world of the prettiest girl at the bar, Custer. Ah well, there are worse things, I guess. It was a very slow night for mongers in Cattos and Hooks tonight - I was one of 3 in Cattos, and toward the end of my visit in Hooks, the only one.
After passing it this afternoon and based on a previous post by Captain Dave, I decided to go to Affaire Recoleta next. 30 pesos for several drinks, quite reasonable, comparatively. The talent in there seemed marginally better than the Triangle, but then again, the lighting in these places is just above 1 lux, so who knows. I left with a cute and slim 21 year old Dominicana. She started at 100 dollars (riiight) then 200 pesos, and finally agreed on 150 (plus a 30 pesos bar fine). It was so slow there, I think if I had pushed, she would have probably left for less, but whatever. Back to the Dazzler for the Carribean specialty of hip-grinding, 'ay papi' sex in multiple positions. Energetic and accomodating, but too rushed for my taste.
So many places to see, so little time. Anyone up for Rio Cabaña or Nuevo Estilo tomorrow night? Let me know.
GC
Shit why not call it The Pentagon since it also contains Pipper's Pub. Has anyone been in there lately? I've never set foot in the place but one of my favoritas says her friend who works there is actually quite good looking. I don't even know anyone who's ever pulled anyone out of there and I've never actually seen anyone go in or out of there. Maybe I will take one for the team and go in there. Or not.
BTW there is more than one apartment in Suipacha 921 that has hookers. I know this because a friend of mine went there but couldn't remember the apartment number so he asked the portero where the chicas were and got an answer other than 6C, but when he rang the buzzer he couldn't understand the answer and he got spooked and left. Further research may be needed here, too.
OttoGraham
09-28-04, 17:04
I've been to Pipper's Pub. Dark, dingy, inexpensive, unattractive chicas (no idea on their cost, I didn't ask!). Some here might like it. I won't be making a second visit.
Uncle Otto
Mickey Mouse
09-28-04, 18:25
Pipper's Pub:
This may surprise you, but I have checked out Pipper's a couple times and they definitely have "The Nastiest" Hookers in BA drunk or sober. They make Monticello's girls look like 10's. I did have a beer each time (they even tasted funny) and then ..... Ran like hell!
Home and Alive,
The Mouse
I remember reading some reports on Pipper's (or is it Piper's) over a year ago. The impression I got is that it's your basic whiskeria rip-off joint and to be avoided, period.
Of course, it might have changed management since then. If you've been everywhere in BA, 3 or 4 times, it might be a novel experience, or it might be your basic whiskeria rip-off joint.
Guillermo
I went to Pipper's Pub twice last year. I thought it was OK. They treated me nice, drinks seemed cheap. The girls were 1 step down from Catto (OK-maybe 2 steps), but were not aggressive. I took home a chubby girl wearing glasses for 150p or less. Guess I'm not "picky" like Saint and some others. Sometimes the normal looking girls are so happy to be working that you get great treatment and less attitude. Plus I think of my self as a normal kinda guy. Worked for me and she wore her glasses in bed. Hot, hot, hot . . . Different strokes.
Peace, -P
Finally something we ALL can agree on. I only went to Pipper's Pub ONE time a few years ago. I was with my buddy, Kickstand. Honestly, I think it was the only time I've ever been scared in all my trips to Buenos Aires. They had the scariest girls I've ever seen in my life.
I really think most of the girls downtown are not so great but Pipper's Pub made the girls at Hooks and Ness look like Ms. Universe contestants. Be careful out there.
Saint
Laprida 947, tel 4962-0547
This private receives some good marks on several local boards so I decided to give it a shot.
What a deception.
I saw 5 chicas, 5 dogs overweighted.
I paid the 10P presentation fee and got out.
Dodger Bulldog
09-28-04, 21:54
Geezus Dickhead
you sure know how to start a thread.
I got pulled into Pipper's Pub by a poor tout
with promises of pequeño pricing and passionate chicas for pay
as I passed by it on my primero trip out
prior to penetrating Catto's passageway.
I didn't perceive it to be a pleasurable pickup place.
So I took a piss and I left posthaste.
Pentagon. Indeed.
DB
Dodger Bulldog:
Of course you are welcome to use my map. Thanks for referencing it.
Stowe:
I enjoyed your excellent post, and especially liked the advantage/disadvantage format. Unfortunately I nearly missed it due to the posting delay associated with regular membership. Since I suspect at least a number of casual readers may have missed it as well, here’s (http://www.wsgforum.com/vforum/showthread.php?s=&postid=294239#post294239) the link to it.
Since I have primarily (about 75%) been enjoying internet girls during my trips, I thought I might add these thoughts. So far, I have had about 20 sessions with internet girls. I have had one no-show, and none who insisted on being paid upfront (in contrast to your experience).
I believe part of this good “batting average” is due to pre-screening them by Roxana. I have used Roxana’s services in the past, NOT because I am unable to make my own appointments, rather, I feel that the biggest hassle associated with internet girls is trying to get them on the phone and coordinate the appointment times. Quite often, one does not reach them on the first try. I hate leaving voice mail messages but even if you do so, they may never return your call or call when you are “on the job” with another chica! This may be more of a problem for people like myself who are limited to only 3-4 days in B.A. at a time, and as a result are “forced” ;) to see 3-4 chicas per day. My prime mongering time being so scarce, I simply cannot afford to spend too much time on the logistics of the game and at least for me, Roxana’s main utility has been in this regard.
To complement your post, let me add two other mongering venues that I feel have been under-reviewed and under-rated. One is taking a Privado girl to your apartment or hotel, and the second is the Clarin (or other newspaper) classified section.
Knuckhead
Yes, take out from privados. Available at a popular privado near you. The only extra cost is taxi fare. This eliminates the "grunge factor." OK well maybe at my apartment it doesn't. But isn't it nicer to do her in the privacy of your own home?
Now privados are established to allow local residents to fuck women other than their wives in locations other than where they live. I bet these girls love to leave those dingy apartments once in a while and come to a nice hotel to have sex. I have only done this a few times but I plan on doing it more in the future.
I thought there were lots of cute girls in Catto's tonight. YEMV
Norman Stormin
09-29-04, 11:53
Platynum Poll / Decision 2004
It's election time in the states. There's nothing on television except political ads and debates. The only good news is that Dan Rather may finally get his just rewards after distorting the news for forty years. My phone is ringing off the hook with political surveys. I have found peace in the sanctuary of my library. I have lots of time to surf the net, planning my upcoming sojourn to Buenos Aires. I think I'll conduct my own survey.
Near the end of my last visit, I discovered a few of the cafes, clubs, boliches, and apartments mentioned in this Forum. I also visited some not mentioned here which I found through the Clarin. This included a few of the 20 peso bait and switch dives. I have had no experience with the website services. In fact, I found the youth and beauty of these girls to be intimidating. I presumed they were of the calibre and price one would expect to find in the reviews I have read about at Madahos or Black.
When I saw a few of them had internet access, I thought what the heck, let's give it a shot. Perhaps I could line something up in advance. I sent 2 generic inquiries: 1 direct to the girl; and 1 through the agency who didn't have email. To my surprise I received 2 replies within 24 hours. The direct mail girl replied and quoted 70 dolares per hour. The agency sent a form letter reiterating the girls profile and told me to call her direct.
This was such a good return rate I thought I would pursue this further. For one thing, I had made a cardinal error by not detailing my requirements and price. I looked at each of the member recommended sites and found many of the listings to be redundant. I decided to use Platynum because it had the largest field of candidates and was convenient to manuver.
I introduced myself as a retiree on a limited budget. I would be in Buenos Aires for 3 months and would like to have a regular sex session 2 to 3 times per week. This would have to be in YOUR apartment between 10:00 and 18:00 hours. I prefer oral sex to completion, occasional conventional intercourse, nothing kinky, and never anal. These sessions would be less than 1 hour in duration and I would pay 100 ar pesos per visit. If interested, please reply.
My only selection criteria was email access. I never read the profiles. Afterall, this was a blind survey. Of 504 listings, 80 showed email addresses. I culled out 10 of these as duplicates (same girl , multiple ads). I sent 70 letters of which 7 came back as undeliverable. This meant I had successfully fielded 63 inquiries. I allowed 5 days for replies after which I received 18. Here are the results of those 18:
3 replied in spanish that they do not understand english and would I please write to them in spanish. I have yet to try translating. I'll leave that to Roxana.
2 were insulted that I would make such a cheap offer. I immediately appologized explaining I was of limited means, this was my problem and no reflection of the worth of their services. One accepted and one rejected my appology. In fact, she retorted that she was servicing 200 of B/As wealthiest men and had no time to talk to a cheap gringo. I appolgized again and somehow in her busy schedule found time to to send me another hate letter. I'm afraid I'm on her permanent shit list.
3 countered at 200 pesos per session. One was appologetic for her high price saying it was necessary because of her resemblence to an american movie star.
2 countered at 150 pesos per session.
8 eagerly accepted my offer as stated.
I will arrive 2 weeks from today and can't wait to meet each and every one of these lovelies. I'll post the results as appropriate. I wanted to post this in the website section but found that impossible. I hope this may be of assistance to anyone exploring the website services.
Stormin
Knuckhead,
Thanks for the reply and your observations. While the internet thing didn't work for me, obviously it works for others. I am sure if I did enough internet chica appointments, I am sure the majority would be sucessful. But I ask myself why? With all the chica options available it is not difficult to find success and to me the internet chicas have the biggest unknown factor of all the others. It is unknown if their service will be good, no test drive possible like at the clubs. It is unknown if they will look like their photos.
And to your other point, I did not use Roxana, I did it myself with my high school Spanish (a problem I am now rectifying). Perhaps things would have been different, then.
As for doing take-out from a privado, thanks for mentioning it as I did forget to include that option. I did do take-out and was even more happy with the results. And the fact that take-out is the same price (plus 10 pesos for taxi) makes it all the better.
Stowe
Patata Chips
09-29-04, 16:04
To Norman Stormin
You can give me the direction for the 4 top expensive girls answer you? Thanks in advance. I am looking for top class models and most of the time they are expensive but I have to look. I am sure in Ba are a lot of realy nice top girls but is not so easy to found because are on the exclusive market.
EDITOR's NOTE: Posting of this report was delayed pending revisions to add standard capitalization throughout the text. To avoid delays in future reports, please refrain from using the "chat room" style of writing with no capital lettering. Thanks!
To All WSG mongers,
This is part 2 of my report on Buenos Aires-the first part was a couple days ago.
The Chicas.
In my 11 days there I fucked 13 different chicas and 5 chicas I had more than once.
Ginger–Gemidos (internet) 200 pesos for 1.5 hours (stayed 2 hrs)
Nothing like her pictures, though not unattractive. And yes, since it my first 4 hours in Buenos Aires, I did do her even though she was not up to her pictures nor was her attitude the greatest. The little head rules sometimes.
Very large tits but the nipples were too sensitive to suck or even play with. CBJ which was ok. Fucked her three times in two hours, once in the ass which was pretty good. During sex she consistently resisted my oral and digital attempts to get her to cum, but after fuck number two, I gave her a message and she fell asleep. While she was asleep, I began to play with her pussy and clit. Eventually, this woke her up as she was beginning to cum. Being too late to stop, she had me continue until she came. I was rewarded with my third penetration, this time in the ass. I will get my way! Will not repeat.
Rafalea - Cattos 150 pesos 1.5 hours (stayed for almost 3 hours)
Super nice fake blond about 23 years old. She has nice breast, excellent nipples, shaved pussy and hot ass. She does a great BBBJ (not TC) and has a super personality. She has a great attitude during the session. Her pussy and ass are very clean and sweet. She enjoys sex and is a very active participant and definitely wants to orgasm during the session. Unlike some chicas where it can take an hour to get them to cum, it is not difficult to get her to cum. During our session, we both came twice. Greek is not available but did put my finger in her beautiful ass during doggy. She allows photos. Ended up doing her multiple times. Not a clock watcher. Will definitely repeat.
Rosa Maria - Cattos 160 pesos for 1.5 hours (stayed for 3 hours)
Great blond about 28 years old but looks much younger. Thin build with small breasts but somewhat puffy nipples. She has a beautiful and sweet fully shaved pussy that is delicious. Great BBBJ (can be TC but YMMV-mine was TC). She is the best kisser I have ever had! She has a great smile and a fantastic attitude during sex. Loves to play during sex and is an active participant and wants to orgasm. Is not difficult to make her cum. During our session, she came twice and I fucked her two times. No rush, in fact she prefers to take it slow. Ended up doing her multiple times, no time a TLN where I fucked her four times, once in the shower and CIM in shower. Allows photos. Will definitely repeat.
Nadia – Suipacha 921 apartment. 100 pesos for 1 hour (extra 30 pesos for greek)
Of the 3 chicas available at 1 in the afternoon, two were club quality, the third not doable.
Nadia is 24 and can easily be a club chica, she has a great face and super body. 34C breasts with long nipples, a great ass that required my attention. She was very friendly and communicative and was very fun during sex. No inhibitions, no attitude. Excellent BBBJ. She really gets into the sex, thrusting back in time to my thrusts. She is a bit passive but not overly so and still a chica I repeated with. She loved to sucked my nipples and lick my balls. Greek is available to those of us that are not endowed with a baseball bat for a dick-lucky for my I am not. Before the jokes come, my dick is not a Mini-Me, either:-)
Greek was very good, but she was only comfortable in spoon position. Will come to the hotel for the same price. She was in no hurry and enjoyed conversing.
Cecilia – Guemes 3221 apartment. 100 pesos for 1 hour (includes greek)
Of the 3 chicas available at 1 in the afternoon, two were club quality, the third was doable.
Cecilia is 25. A short brunette with 34C tits a great face, body and especially the ass. She is very friendly, laughs easily and provides a great session with lots of positive personality. She is definitely not passive and even communicates how best to get her off. She like oral on her clit sideways rather than up and down. Her BBBJ is one of the best. She gives great attention to the balls and even does a bit of Beso Negro (also likes it on her). She enjoys inserting her finger in my ass while doing BBBJ. Her pussy is sweet and gets very wet. She also likes to suck my nipples while playing with my balls and dick. She likes the sex more aggressive, placing her hands on my ass and pulling me toward her as I thrust. I had her come to my hotel for another session for the same price. She was in no hurry and enjoyed conversing. Pictures are ok but no face shots.
Aylen – Ness 150 pesos for 1.5 hours (stayed 40 minutes)
Aylen is a spinner, perhaps just under 5 feet tall, long brown hair. Breasts about a 32C, nice face and body. She is more passive than I prefer but she is a nice chica. She has only been there 2 months and I believe she is new at this occupation so she lacks some experience. Given her nice personality, with experience she may get better. Her BBBJ is ok and was not very long but would have done longer if I demanded. The sex was fair but again passive. In doggy, she would not bend completely over for maximum exposure. She is silent during sex. In cowgirl, she moves side-to-side or front-to-back, does not go up and down. Again, I think inexperience. Our session ended in 40 minutes because when I came the first time, I notice blood on the condom. Evidently, it was her time of the month, not an issue for me but evidently an issue for her. She did not want to continue so we agreed I would only pay her 100 pesos. Would I try her again? I think possibly since she is very cute with a nice body and nice personality. I would hope the next time she would have more experience and be less passive.
Analia – Maipu 429 Apartment. 100 pesos for 1 hour
Of the 5 chicas available at 2 in the afternoon, one was club quality, one other was doable.
Analia has long brown hair, very fine and soft. Her face is very cute and her body is excellent. Tits are 34C with big nipples. She is 24 years old. Her BBBJ is excellent, she really enjoys doing it. Likes to lick the balls. Very active during sex, when in cowgirl she works very hard pumping up and down. She likes sex a bit rough and the harder I thrust the more she moans and thrusts back in both doggy and missionary. She was in no hurry and enjoyed conversing. Would repeat.
Jessica – Santa Fe 1707 apartment. 100 pesos for 1 hour (BBBJ extra 20 pesos).
Of the 4 chicas available at 2 in the afternoon, one was club quality, two others were definitely doable.
Jessica is about 5.6 with very long brown hair and 34B tits. She has a very pretty face with a beautiful smile. Her nipples are puffies that are medium long. Her body is outstanding with a super ass. BBBJ (for 20 peso extra) is excellent. She does not use a lot of hand action, mostly her mouth. She is also very active and likes sex a little rough. She enjoyed it when her ass was slapped while doing doggy. Reverse cowgirl was great because of the fantastic view and the fact that she worked at it very well. Greek is available for additional pesos. She was in no hurry and enjoyed conversing. Would repeat without hesitation.
Nazarena – Cattos 150 pesos for 1.5 hours.
Nazarena is 20 years old. A beautiful brunette with long-haired slightly curled. Gorgeous oval-shaped face, beautiful smile, a great body and hot ass with a sexy small crack. She is relatively new at Cattos, about a month so she seems a bit inexperienced but has super potential to be a top chica. She only did CBJ but she did a great job with a bit of deep throat. Her breasts are about a 34C with small nipples. Her pussy has a slight musky scent, not unpleasant at all. It was sweet to taste. Doubt greek is available at least not yet. In sex she is not timid, moaning and talking dirty (which I have found nearly all the chicas do). Very active in all positions, including her on top. She likes to be playful during sex and laughs easily. She was a bit hard to make cum but likes my finger in her pussy while eating her. The sex was so active I had an adrenaline rush and could not sleep for hours afterward. Will definitely repeat in January.
Eva – Madahos 200 pesos for 1.5 hours (but tough negotiations were required).
At 5.2 Eva is short but does not appear so because she wears 5” black boots hidden by her long, very low-cut white linen pants. A matching top cut short to show her very toned stomach finishes the outfit. She has a longer oval face with curled black hair. She is pretty with a super toned body. She speaks pretty good English.
A bit of kissing and fondling in the club, bought her the 50 peso drink, then left. She started out at 300 pesos and refused to go lower than 250. She was the fourth chica I worked on and none would go lower than 250 pesos. After nearly 30 minutes of failed negotiations I said no because I could get chicas at other clubs for less. She said go to the other clubs then. She left and I stayed to watch the Sunday night football and finish my drink. About 10 minutes later she comes back and says how much would the other chicas at the other clubs charge and I told her 150 pesos to which she replied ‘no way’ or something to that effect. She complained a bit and I told her to look around the place. There were more chicas than men and it was a Sunday night which is extremely slow. I told her I didn’t expect to pay her 150 but I wasn’t going to pay her 250. After a few minutes thought she agree.
My opinion is that she never would have lowered her price if it had not been a Sunday night, so I believe that 250 is the lowest most chicas will go most evenings. My opinion.
Eva was a huge disappointment. She seemed great at the club but once in the hotel things seemed to change. Before we even got into the bedroom, she asked for the money (bad omen #1).
We started to kiss and I found that suddenly her open mouth kisses became closed mouth kisses (bad omen #2). Went to suck on her breasts and found a do not trespass sign posted there (bad omen #3). Ok to feel but not to suck (bad omen #4). She did not want fingers in her pussy or oral (bad omen #876??). Her BBBJ lasted about 3 minutes then on went the condom and up she went, fucking me as fast as she could as if she wanted me to come fast. Moved to missionary and I went to insert into her and she pushed my hand away saying I could not touch the condom for some reason I did not get.
All this was within 15 minutes. With this I got off her and told her this was the worst session I had had in Buenos Aires. That I did not like being rushed with a short blow job and fast sex, especially for 250 pesos. I asked her to leave and she questioned why because she wanted me to finish. I told her there was no way I could finish with her and she needed to leave. She was pissed and mumbled that this wasn’t her fault to which I replied that I could not continue with someone who obviously just wanted me to finish as quickly as possible. I am not normally an asshole towards chicas and someone who treats them this way but her attitude the entire time she arrive at the hotel was 100 percent different than in the club and I was horny and frustrated. The worst part is, is that she had the best attitude of the four I approached at Madahos.
Perhaps it was just a case of bad chemistry but the other chicas did not appear to be much different.
Silvia – Ness 150 pesos for 1.5 hours (stayed 2.5 hours) Greek not available at this time.
Silvia may be my favorite of the trip. A hot little chica from Paraguay that is about 5.3 with 34C breasts and nice nipples. The breasts are full but a little flabby, probably from nursing a child. Still they are fun. She has a gorgeous face with a small ass that is super delicious. She has been at Ness for about 4 months.
In the elevator she gets on her knees and has her mouth in my crotch. Right then, I know the session is going to be great. The minute we get in the room, she turns on the sex more and becomes a little nasty. In sex she has a super attitude, playful and very active. Her BBBJ is about the best and she includes her finger in my butt and Beso Negro into the mix at the same time. All the while my fingers are deep in her beautiful ass and she is moaning and getting more wet. She did not want to leave and enjoyed talking and flirting. No pictures allowed unfortunately. I repeated with her on this trip and I will repeat several times in January.
Katerina – Suipacha 921 100 pesos for 1 hour
Again, of the 3 chicas available at 1 in the afternoon, two were club quality, the third not doable.
Katerina is a cute brunette with a pretty face, 34B tits and a great ass. She was extremely active in sex providing a BBBJ, Beso Negro, cowgirl, R-cowgirl, doggy and missionary with great energy and enthusiasm. Sex with her is great. She literally demanded my finger in her ass and not just in there but thrusting deep in there. The deeper it went, the more she moaned. The only time she wanted it removed was in doggy when she wanted me to hold her tight with both hands and pound her very hard. She has a great attitude and wanted to go another round but I was spent and couldn’t deliver. No rush, in fact we talked more than fucked. Will repeat in January and at that time I will want more in her beautiful butt.
Sonja – Maipu 429 100 pesos for 1 hour.
Of the 5 chicas available at 2 in the afternoon, one was club quality, one other was doable. Since I had already done the club quality, I tried Sonja.
She had big tits (34D) that turned out to be fake. I do not like fake tits, preferring small real ones to large fake ones. Her nipples were good size, large enough to gnaw upon with great pleasure. She has a nice face and a great attitude with a very outstanding ass. Sex was good but she moves so much in trying to fuck me back that it interrupted my thrusting. Still, has a good attitude and tries hard. Fucked her twice, the second time BBBJTC and continued to suck me long after I finished. She did get up to spit it out, not an issue for me but she did lose some good protein doing that! Probably will not repeat.
Stowe
Norman,
Great survey! Now, all you have to do is to hold your breath while opening the door, hoping the same girl in the website picture does show up. Keep a 10 Peso bill handy, in case you have to get rid of her real quick.
Bandy
I wonder how many responses Stormin Norman would have gotten if he had written to these chicas in castellano.
Frenchy Couple
09-29-04, 17:58
Escorts websites in Buenos Aires
When we are on vacation, my wife and I like to meet some escorts.
So, I checked the web when we arrived in BA, november 2003.
It was wonderful: many nice and profesionnal websites available, with hundreds of women.
I would advice escortsbaires, escortsargentina and Platynum.
Many of the girls had a personal mail.
We had meetings with 2 wonderful girls, exotic and sexy :
Bruna: an incredible black girl, 20 y.o., a VERY sexy and animal body made for sex, breasts like 95D; she was very nice to us and we paid her 150$ for these unforgettable moments.
Zelina: wonderful "morocha" which is a mix of indian and latin blood, with clear blue/grey eyes with a dark skin. Superb! 250 pesos.
If you like this kind of "morochas", just go to Salta (north-west argentina).
Frenchycouple
Stormin Norman,
I don't do the internet girls anymore and haven't for some time but as far as scheduling super far in advance or even just in advance can be problematic. First of all, many of the girls don't know what they will be doing tomorrow let alone weeks from now. Good luck trying to get them to remember your email as they get many. Also, that day if they have other guys that will pay them more, your chances of them accepting your lower offer are slim. I'm not saying you can't get good deals. I'm just saying sometimes you have a hard enough time scheduling them once you are here in town let alone weeks in advance. Keep that in mind when your planning your trips to BA everyone.
Internet girls can be wonderful but I've just found that I prefer to meet girls in person first to see what their personality is like, what their smile is like, how their body actually is in person. Nothing beats the clubs and apartments for that. For that reason I haven't done an internet girl in a long long time and probably won't. Good luck.
General Custer
09-29-04, 18:47
Day 4: Indiana Jones and the Temple of Marrion
I went to Maipu 429 piso 5 today at around 1:00 p.m. and was not disappointed - as Andres noted, mostly Northern Argentinian and Paraguayan chicas available, and all 6 of them doable. Facilities were quite nice. 70 pesos for the half hour/100 pesos for the hour. I chose Joanna (yes, ANOTHER Joanna...can you believe it?...if there's one at Suipacha, I'll have a hat trick), a 23 year old Argentinian with a full C cup and a very cute face. And I thought the service at 1707 was good: she provided a total girlfriend experience, BBBJ without asking, multiple positions, and CIM finish. Yowza!
Some restaurant items to report: went to El Mirasol Puerto Madero last night, which was alright (very nice ambiance and service, and I got almost a pound and a half of medallón de lomo). It was actually the same price as Cabaña Las Lilas, but I preferred the meat at Las Lilas.
Today I went in search of Chinese in Belgrano and tried to go to Todos Contentos, which seems to be well reviewed everywhere I looked. They were closed, however, so I walked down the street to El Dragón Porteño. Avoid this place if you like good Chinese food - I've had better Chinese in Wisconsin. DP charges $3.50 for a wonton soup and $10.00 for a house special fried rice. I'm still getting used to the pricing here, so it didn't register until I started to think about it while waiting for the food that this was somewhat overpriced. Both items were terrible. I'll have to make it up tonight at Tomo 1 or Le Sud.
GC
JackDaniels
09-29-04, 18:51
Does anyone know if the highly acclaimed Sandy is still working ? She was famous in 2002. The last I heard she was working at Blacks. Has anyone seen her and does she still look great ? I am planning to come by BsAs in a couple of months and would like to hook up with her.
I would like to nominate Stowe for "Buenos Aires Rookie of the Year." I hung with him several nights and this guy did almost everything right, including:
1) tossing out any chicas who did not perform,
2) telling chicas he had already been with that he would not buy them any drinks that night because he wanted "otra chica" that night,
3) walking away from a previously negotiated deal when BBBJ was not on the menu, and
4) going to Don Galíndez for lunch.
He will make a fine dickhead one day, as soon as he learns to use the bus system.
Hey Dickhead,
Thanks for the nomination. Can I do an acceptance fuck with a new chica rather than a speech if I win?
As for taking the bus. The next time I won't hesitate except that fucking Guia T book uses such small font I cannot read a fucking thing (bi-focals? What the shit are they? They're for old farts!).
Also, the bus system is more complex than the one-route types found in California and since I don't have a very high IQ, I am studying the Guia T book 4 hours a day to decipher the Buenos Aires bus routing system. I think by January, I should know at least one bus route-perhaps 2?
One thing I will do different in January is not accept so quickly when the chica moves from 200 to 150 pesos in a flash. I am going to try to lower my costs to about 130 pesos per fuck for the club girls. Don't know if that's attainable because I am not a regular but it's something to try for.
Stowe
I will be adding a few viewable pix of a couple of chicas I played with later today.
From a past trip to BA,
Agustina,www.bairesgirls.com.ar $150 Pesos/hr
Pictures better, but close. Very nice natural rack (C/D), with a 7/8 body, nothing wrong with it at all. She generously shared ém (rack) with me.
Girl next door face, lots of DFK, but with a taste of smoking. Very cooperative, active, and playful attitude. Treated her culo as just another orifice for me to fill. Somehow I think it would have taken a couple of hours of DATY to get her off.
Two shots on goal, lots of BBBJTC, but pulled away at completion, default would have been CBJ, but agreed to BBBJ.
I´d might have done her again, except there´s so many other pleasures there were to be found. Stay tuned, maybe I´ll report on a second date.
Uriburu between Alvear and Santa FE.
LAGNAF
Now I lay me down to sleep,
A girl from Catto's at my feet.
If she won't blow me when I wake,
I'll pay her with a bill that's fake!
Cuz trucho comes and trucho goes;
I use it when I blow my nose.
So if you get some counterfeit,
Just use it when you take a shit.
Just want to say that for all those who want to learn about Buenos Aires, the people and the chicas, Dickhead is a great source and a fun guy to hang around. He made a couple of excellent chica recommendations for me.
But he can't hold his liquor one bit:-). What a light weight!
Thanks Dickhead
Stowe
Stowe - nice reports. Didnt you try the Flores clubs?
Hi MagicHat,
Don't know anything about them but probably won't have tried them as was having too much fun at the others. Can you give some info?
Stowe
My sommelier and I had two very nice young prostitutes over for dinner tonight. I made poached salmon and asparagus with bearnaise sauce, and some potatoes I called Hongroise but I just pulled the recipe out of my ass. It was great. My bearnaise sauce is so good you could put it on a piece of drywall and eat it. My sommelier had selected some white and red wines that were probably excellent but WTF do I know about wine? I'm pretty sure they had alcohol in them.
The dinner conversation was very good and we discussed politics, race, traveling, movies, and I forget what else. The women were quite intelligent and savvy.
Then afterwards it was a little weird because I met this gal at the mansion so assumed she was on the program but nothing had been discussed. Sommelier and friend said they were going to hit the sack and so I asked if we should stay there and use the spare room or go to my apartment. She said "como quieras" so I decided we should split since there were a lot of dirty dishes.
In the taxi she was not too affectionate but when we got to my place it was fine. She is a little plump with BIG TITS and damn I needed some big tits. Lots of fun. She had to work in the morning so wanted to leave soon after which was just fine by me. Money still had not been discussed. I gave her 120 and she was happy. I'll fuck her again in a month or so when I need big tits again.
Life is good.
It's now past 5 AM and I'm just getting home from a night out on the town. I hung out with a cool American dude I met a few months ago that lives here. I also went out with these two young Scandanavian girls that I know here in town. I also went out with one of my friends that is a Porteno and he introduced me to his friends. All super cool guys. All from the elite families of Argentina. The ones with summer homes, winter homes, homes in Miami (that type). Cool ass guys.
We went to this new popular club called Jet and I was told it was hip. If you go there, avoid eating there and just go for the club as the food sucks. Perhaps some of the worst sushi I have ever eaten in my life. Thursdays are supposed to be good but it was almost all dudes. A true sausage fest. The ratio was about 7 guys for every girl. They did have some hot girls though. It's a trendy club with mostly 20's-30's crowd. We had a good time laughing and these Portenos really liked hanging out with Americans. It was interesting that one of them kept trying to talk to my buddy Khofoo about the Boston Redsox. They knew the owner of the club so before we left the owner sent over complementary beers and a bottle of champagne. These guys really know how to live it up. I made some new friends tonight. They invited me to go skydiving next weekend with them.
We decided to head to a club and they suggested- Cocodrillos. I haven't been here in about 2 years. The place is truly hit or miss but tonight was really miss. Honestly, I didn't see one girl I would have pulled out. Hell, I wouldn't sleep with any of those girls for free. The place has really gone downhill, IMHO. My friends knew the owner so we had no cover charge but I doubt I'll be back here anytime soon.
I'm damn tired but can't fall asleep now from drinking so many Red Bulls. Oh well. Still a fun night but pound for pound I'd rather spend the money on a hottie from the Recoleta clubs.
Saint
P.S. Some of you have PM'ed me saying you sent me email and I never responded. I respond to almost all my PM's inless they are just comments. I'm having a problem sending emails to AOL so if you emailed my work email, I did send a response but AOL is blocking our emails.
AllIWantIsLove
10-01-04, 15:17
If You Have Erectile Dysfunction or Unreliable Erections.
I subscribe to a newsletter from Consumer Reports named "on health". In the latest issue there is an article titled "Erectile trouble may signal heart disease." The article says that if you have erectile dysfunction or unreliable erections that the cause might be blockages in the arteries of the penis and that such blockages might indicate blockages elsewhere in the body such as the heart. The article also points out (as we have been hearing for a long time but it can't hurt to repeat it ...) that if you are already at risk for a heart attack or stroke that the ED drugs can increase that risk.
The article is not precise about the research it is based on except to say that it was conducted by Italians.
Bob
Greetings Everyone,
In lieu of having a dinner party at the Mansion this weekend, I and Silvina are hosting a group dinner this Saturday evening at 9:30pm at Cabaña Las Lilas in Puerto Madero.
The Address is:
Cabaña Las Lilas
Avenida Dávila 516
Puerto Madero
Capital Federal
4313-1336
You are welcomed and encouraged to bring a date.
Please RSVP to Jackson@ArgentinaPrivate.com
When you arrive, the reservation is in the name of "Jackson"
Thanks,
Jackson
Chuponalgas
10-01-04, 16:51
Dickhead can't hold his licker? Bummer!
Regarding Cafe Dickhead:
This does not belong in the restaurant section because Cafe Dickhead operates on an irregular basis. The poached salmon and the rest was just excellent, one of the best meals I have had in BA.
Dickhead said:
"Sommelier and friend said they were going to hit the sack and so I asked if we should stay there and use the spare room or go to my apartment. She said "como quieras" so I decided we should split since there were a lot of dirty dishes."
After my delightful little friend and I had finished, she offered to help with the dishes, which was a nice touch, but my cleaning lady, the mighty Maria T. was coming in this morning, and inspired by two Alfajores as a propina, cleaned the whole thing up. An excellent evening.
Stormy
General Custer
10-02-04, 08:09
Day 6 - Don't Cry for Me Argentina
Great last night with a couple of snags in the early evening. Went to find Rio Cabaña at around 7 p.m., but it was, unfortunately, closed. I could have sworn I read there was a day shift, but maybe I got there too late to catch it. Okay, on to dinner at Rey Castro before the clubs, I figure. I call to make sure they are serving Cuban food (I went in earlier in the week, and suprisingly, they only serve Cuban food on Friday and Saturday nights! The rest is happy hour crap you could get at your local Chile's). Why do I want Cuban food in Buenos Aires? You can't get it where I live. Yes, yes, the woman assures me on the phone, 1) we have ropa vieja, black beans and rice, the whole nine yards on the menu, and 2) we are currently open for dinner. Of course she neglects to mention that these two facts are mutually exclusive. The Cuban menu doesn't start until 10 p.m. I should have known better.
I caught up with a fellow monger this evening in Recoleta (a real good guy...I'll let him introduce himself at his own discretion) and we headed to Madahos for his first BA club action. We got there really early, but it was good to relax and watch the chicas showing up for work. Much more and better talent than when I was there last Sunday. My compatriot calls over a hot, young thing from Paraguay (pal, I was there for an hour after you left...she was easily still the hottest chica in the club...congrats!) and was soon out the door. I ended up waiting around a while, which was good, because the girl I ended up choosing was just arriving when I saw her - a 22 year old, very pretty blonde (think a buxom version of the girl on Scrubs...same smile and look to her) named Gimena. Her attitude was amazing and she was by far my favorite session of the whole trip. Tonight, Madahos delivered, and I now know I'll be back in Argentina sooner than later.
I'm sitting here waiting for my flight to Bogota with a one day lay-over, and I'll post on the Colombia board what I find. Thank you everyone for the information and recommendations I utilized on this very worthwhile trip to BA.
Regards,
GC
El Ricardo
10-02-04, 10:46
General Custer,
If you don't mind my asking, what were the charges for the Madaho's services? When I was there last, they were pushing for 300 pesos for a short time. When I wasn't interested, the chica left; no negotiation. Is it still like that?
ER
Hi Stowe...here is part of my report from Dec 2003, but it was just a snapshot....Andres is the expert on this area so reading his board will give you all the info you need. On my previous trips I've largely been travelling around the country with just a few days in BA at the end....not nearly enough time to get to know the city and it always felt very pressured, not to mention the fact that after 4-5 days of trying to do touristy things during the day and partying all night I returned home with sleep deprivation and looking badly in need of a holiday instead of just having one! Hope to make another visit in November and have at least 7-10 days in BA this time and plan to explore this area thoroughly so will do so and report back.
all the best Magic Hat.
A NIGHT OUT IN FLORES
From reading Andres posts, I wanted to visit Flores. I was a bit worried that it might be a little dangerous, but it sounded like an interesting area so I decided to make the trip. Its 10-12 pesos one way from Recoleta.
Flores rocked. Not sure what its like normally as I went there during a ‘feriado’ or holiday week end (Saturday night), but instead of being worried about being picked off and mugged because nobody would be about, I was more in danger of being trampled by the number of people on the street. The main area is about 7 blocks along Rivadavia around Rivadavia 7500 and on the Saturday night there must have been at least 2,000 people out partying…that’s no exaggeration as I counted 5 open discotecas so it was probably more. Of course that meant that there were hundreds of cute argentine girls out on the street….this would be a good place I think to meet non-pros, though you’d need to speak Spanish. I tried, with no success sadly. Off the main streets, there were a lot less people so stay on the main streets where the people are….now trouble can happen anywhere and though I didn’t get the feel of this area being that dodgy, don’t take any risks. But overall I’d say it had the vibe of being a good solid working class/lower middle class area, without the elitism maybe of Recoleta or barrio norte, just normal people out for a good time. I thought it was an excellent night out and would definitely return.
I didn’t see any SW.
The mongering clubs are all located 10-15 yards off the main streets, so as to be slightly inconspicuous.
I went to;
Envidia.
Its off the Rivadavia 7500 block…I think the actual street is Arguerich.
5 pesos entry, with 1 drink.
Drinks for the chicas 20 pesos
Rooms on premises….40 for 30 mins, 80 for 1 hour.
You enter and there’s a long bar on the left of a rectangular room. Immediately to your right when you go in is a pool table. You sit at the bar or at tables. At the far end of the room is a stage where sometimes a chica does a striptease. As with all these places, it’s hit and miss. There were 4 chicas I would have done, out of about 25. From time to time a chica will hit on you but they are not pushy. The girl I wanted was with a group of lads so I didn’t try anyone here. The downside of it being a feriado was all too evident later on in the evening as this place filled up with noisy young kids….I think Andres called them pests in a previous post and I know how he felt.
La Fuente
Located in calle La Fuente just off Rivadavia 7300 block.
10 pesos to get in, with 2 drinks.
Drinks for the chicas 15 or 20 pesos, cant remember
There’s an albergue transitorio next door – 40 pesos/30 mins, 80 pesos/1hr
You pay the bouncer and go up some steps, past a couple of open doors and through a 1-way mirror door. Straight in front is a bar, to the left some tables and chairs, to the right a space and then a lounge area. It’s quite small. The girls all wear a schoolgirl uniform which is quite sweet…and they seemed young. Nothing illegal, but definitely late teens/early 20s rather than the early/mid/late 20s that you normally see in the clubs. Maybe the schoolgirl outfits make them look younger. There were approx 10 girls in there, 2-3 I would do. The others were friendly and not hardened. You can buy them a drink and feel them up, all quite fun. They did try one trick I didn’t like. When I spoke to the bouncer….he told me the prices included the room. Upstairs, they tried to charge me an extra 15 pesos. Soon sorted that one out. I went for 30mins, chica was very sweet, a fun experience. Otherwise I liked this place.
Camroon
Avenida Alberdi 2800 block, cross street is Avenida San Pedrito. Avenida Alberdi runs parallel to Rivadavia, 2 blocks to the south.
6 pesos entry with one drink.
Drinks for the chicas – 20 pesos I think
I’m guessing here…think it was 40pesos/30mins, 70 pesos/hr
You pay the bouncer and go in and sit down. The bar is on your right when you go in, to the left is a raised area with tables. Then a chica brings your drink and change and sits down with you and explains the prices. This is where I regret losing my notes. I thought this place had real potential, but I went there early in the evening when it had just opened, and meant to go back but have any more leche after seeing the chica at La Fuente and was drunk and anyway had to get back to Palermo to see John Digweed dj (superb as usual). There were 15 plus girls in there and 5 of them I would do. The one who bought me my drink was a 7, she could have worked in Madahos. In fact I asked her why she wasn’t which she liked. I cant would definitely go back to this place and I wish I had done the girl who bought me my drink…tall, slim, morocha, spinner, nice smile, good attitude. I regret that. If you’re in the area….check it out and let us know what you think.
Liza Café Pool
Avenida Directorio 2800 block, cross street is Avenida San Pedrito. Avenida Directorio is also parallel to Rivadavia, 4 blocks to the south.
It’s confusing because there’s an old, closed version of this across the street, but the new one is on the 2800 block.
I walked into this place without paying, and walked straight out. 10 girls in there, none of which I would do. I got a flyer saying “Arancel $20” whatever that means (Andres?). I wouldn’t say it’s a dump but didn’t see anything worth bothering with either.
Overall I would say that Flores can’t compare overall with the quality of the Recoleta and Microcentro clubs, but a night out there is definitely worthwhile and makes a nice change. The girls seemed a lot friendlier, and it’s cheaper too.
MahicHat
Good review of Flores! You missed the most important boliche, though (Doly's, facing Liza at the 2800s of Directorio Ave)
"Arancel" means "fee". I guess that they mentioned you the lowest price for chica (ar$20 for 15-20 minutes).
Hope this helps,
Andres
Butterfly44
10-02-04, 18:26
While at CAFE ORLEANS and/or EXCEDRA
Having visited Café Orleans and Excedra a few times, I did as recommended by Edonist in the Cafes and Coffeeshops listof the Argentina WSG-Forum: I sat around, sipping coffees and eating chocolated wafers served with them, watching everyone else, soaking in Latin society, and the following description flowed out of my fingers on a paper tissue:
In their early 20s,
They have of youth
The innocence.
In their late 20s,
They have of beauty
The arrogance.
In their 30s,
They have of volupty
The magnificence.
In their 40s,
They have of maturity
The elegance.
In their 50s,
They have of attractivity
A reminiscence.
In their 60s,
They have of festivity
The impatience.
In their dignities,
They have of duty
The silence.
Whatever their age
They have of grace
The permanence.
Make your choice,
They have of diversity
OUR preference.
Thanks Andres. Yes I couldnt work out why I couldnt find Dolys at the time (must be blind). Think they had been redeveloping it but am fairly sure it had re-opened by then. Basically I only I had one evening in Flores and started in that area and then headed for Rivadavia and didnt have time to go back and wander round as I had to get back to Palermo, but next trip I plan on spending some time in Flores.
Apart from Dolys, are there any other bars/clubs/boliches in that area that you would recommend? And are there any other areas like Flores? I'm not much into Madahos/Blacks etc. and have done the microcentro clubs too, but love the more 'off the beaten track' places (have noted the dpto on Av.Corro) and was wondering if there was another area in Capital Federal or just outside with a similar concentration of boliches?
MagicHat:
Unfortunately, BA has only one Flores. However, you still have 2 boliches in JB Justo Ave and Artigas St to visit (Top Secret and New Area), although they are expensive and not necessarily better than most places in Flores.
Outside BA, you have some boliches in San Miguel suburb, but I don't dare to go there (too much risk for too little reward).
Hope this helps,
Andres
Hi MagicHat,
Thanks for the report about Flores. Next time I am there will have to investigate.
Stowe
Thanks, as always for the info Andres. If we ever meet, the drinks are on me (provided we arent in Blacks)! :-)
MH.
General Custer
10-03-04, 04:22
El Ricardo,
The prices I got at my two visits to Madahos were 200 pesos for 1 hour (she half-heartedly said 1.5 hours when I didn't bite at that price) + 50 peso drink (this was on a Sunday at 3 a.m.), and the chica I took out on Friday was 250 for a full 1.5 hours + 50 peso drink. Negotiations started at 300 pesos each time, but I get the sense that 200-250 is the going rate for short time, with the former being the late night/no other prospects going rate. This is for the hotter girls, though, so YMMV if you talk to the girls there that aren't getting any love from the fellas.
To put it in perspective, I returned to Black last Wednesday (it was much better than Sunday...loads and loads of beautiful women of every color and build), and the negotiations for a pretty but not model quality chica began at $200 dollars and she finally accepted 350 pesos (plus a 80 dollar chica drink) for an hour and a half. She told me not to tell anyone, especially other girls at Black if I returned, that she took this little, so here you are guys :) You're going to find a better average quality looker at Black's, but for the money to hotness ratio, Madahos, I think, is where it's at.
Regards,
GC
Late Night Out in Recoleta
I had a great night. My amigovia came over earlier and we hung out and had a great time as usual. I met her in one of the clubs when I first moved here and she has been coming over since. I try to be very honest with her and tell her I have no plans on getting serious because she is making rumblings about that lately. Anyway, we went out to dinner so I was all dressed up so I decided to go to Madahos since she had to go to work. All the clubs really suck on Saturdays. I hung out and talked to my amigo, Bobby and he mentioned that a few guys asked for him and then asked me if I'm "Saint". Ha, ha. Anyway, he and Gabriel will take good care of you. I assume they will keep letting you waive the cover by asking for them as long as too many pikers aren't just doing it to avoid the cover then leave quickly.
There weren't too many hot girls but I did manage to get 2 phone numbers there of some pretty girls. One I asked out for lunch tomorrow and she surprised me when she said yes. So, hopefully that goes well. I told her it's not a money thing. Just two people going out to have lunch and getting to know each other. Don't be afraid to ask these girls to do things. Many might shoot you down but you lose nothing by asking.
Then I went to Black. I haven't been here in a long time. The quality wasn't that good as usual for a Saturday but I still decided to hang out. I just got home and it's 4 AM. I hung out there for about 2.5 hours. I talked to several girls that I already know. There still were a few stunners tonight. I've been coming here since my first trip a few years ago and it's a little depressing seeing some of the same girls working here still. Many have really aged alot. The routine of drinking all the time and being around all that smoke is not good for them. There is one Brazilian girl named Celia that I pulled out my very first trip. She was really pretty with a good body. I saw her in there tonight and almost fell out of my chair. She has gained about 15 lbs. and her face looks really aged.
The depressing part was she told me that first trip she was only working 5 more months then quitting. That was over 2.5 years ago. Oh well, so much for that plan. There were some blonde stunners there tonight. If you like blondes with big fake tits you might like Paola. She is a Portena that always has a smile on her face. Her tits are just too big and fake for me but I was still tempted to pull her out. I also saw this Paraguayan girl my good friend, T.B.D. pulled out our first trip. She also still works there and she has put on a lot of weight and looks much older. She used to be so gorgeous.
There is this blonde pair that is always with one another. Great bodies and seemingly pretty. One of them is pretty but the other up close has a pretty used looking face. They are from Brazil as wel and are sistersl. I tried negotiating with them and at first they asked for $200 US. I just laughed and told them I'm not a tourist. She started negotiating saying the minimum is $150 US. I just told her I was going to go let her talk to one of the tourists. She started to backpeddle since it was so late but I just walked away and talked to her cousin who is also a blonde. Her name is Sabrina and is pretty. She was a little more flexible but then I just saw that it was already 4 AM and I was tired and already had sex tonight.
I did manage to get two phone numbers from 2 girls in Black so not a bad night. 4 phone numbers which I might use some time. I talked to two tourists from South Beach tonight that were in Black and these two were really picky like me. They didn't see much they liked. They did talk to 2 girls but they were put off with the price. They are also jaded like me. They commented they like younger girls so I told them they would love Brazil.
The cool thing is most of the girls in Madahos know I'm not a tourist so they know that (a) I won't pay inflated prices and (b) that I'm going to be around a while, which is why I think the girl agreed to meet me for the date tomorrow. Anyway, I love living here. I'll like it a lot more though...once I start making money here.
El Ricardo and General Custer,
The other night leaving Madahos very late, there was a pretty blonde girl outside waiting for a taxi. I had my own girl with me, but my partner was pretty drunk and he did not have a girl with him. So I offered her a ride with us to the hotel to see if she and my partner would hook up for the night.
I started with 200 pesos, she would not budge below 300. This was at about 0400, and she was going home without a dime. Some of the girls drive a hard bargain, and will not budge, and others are like you experienced, i.e, they will go lower, but do not want other girls to know.
Enjoy the life,
Moondog
430 pesos for a "not model quality chica." Interesting. Anyway I just came from Nuevo Estilo and I know I said I wasn't going to fuck there any more but I did anyway and there was no cover and 5 peso beers and I took Melina, who is a 7.5 if you ignore the tattos which I can. I did not even buy her a drink and it was 173 pesos including the hotel. That is still too much but GOD she is an animal and I really like her body. Killer body. Better than I expected even though I'd seen it all on stage. OK maybe a borderline 8. CBJ but God can she suck.
Anyway in all fairness since I live here I can put them on pre-heat and I never go with a chica the first time I meet her. You can't really afford that luxury when you are visiting. Melina and I have been wanting to fuck each other for a couple of months now and that makes a big difference.
So really all you overpayers aren't really competing with me since I live here and speak the language fairly well. I have plenty of great 100 peso alternatives so just keep on wasting your money.
Just remember, though, that it isn't really necessary.
Dickhead,
Sometimes I really think you overthink the financial aspect of the hobby too much. Sometimes it's not just about how much you spend. You aren't really "overspending" if you are getting what you want. I agree that in principle it's not good to overpay for things but you keep forgetting that many guys don't find what they are looking for in the other clubs.
I've been in many of the various clubs in Buenos Aires several times (including some of the ones in Flores). I think you mentioned that you don't want to hang out in the Recoleta clubs. I don't blame you. My point is that many guys that I know and talk to simply don't find what they are looking for in the other clubs so they aren't an "overpayer" just because you are spending less for sex then they are.
Everything is relative in life and the hobby. The 173 pesos you spent tonight.. the guy that only picks up street walkers could call you an "overspender" and foolish to spend that much money. You paid the price of admission and you got what you wanted. You sound satisfied, so that is what matters. Someone could say, "you spent 173 pesos for a 7.5 and didn't even get a BBBJ????" Life isn't always about dollars and cents and either is the hobby.
It's all about having fun in the end. I always try to be open minded with all types of hobbyers. I don't criticize the guys that are picking up 50 year old women on the street and paying 20 pesos. I would never do it, but I don't try to judge them or say they are simply wrong to do it. If that is what they like than I think it's great for them. It's all about having fun. I still remember a guy at a WSG Mansion dinner that was telling us how he picked up this 50 something woman off the street and only paid something like 25 pesos or so. Then went on to tell me how crazy some guys are to pay 200+ pesos to leave with a girl from Madahos or Black. Many guys judge everyone else based on their own economies of scale instead of trying to understand the grand scheme of things. That is simply being ignorant.
When you say things like "it isn't really necessary" I think you are thinking subjectively but not objectively. For many guys, it IS necessary to pay more to get what they want. It's like saying a guy that buys a BMW is overpaying and "it isn't really necessary". It IS necessary if he wants to drive a luxury car, likes the model, and doesn't want to drive something he doesn't like. Or a better example might be tonight. The hot girl in Black that I asked for a quote and she wanted $200 US. She wouldn't leave for less than that and that was her final price. She claimed never to go below it and I tend to believe her. (By the way, she did find a guy that would pay it and she winked at me as she was leaving with him..I gave her a thumbs up). For the guy that definitely wants HER, it IS really necessary if he wants to have sex with her. Personally, to me I wouldn't do it but I don't think the guy that IS paying her is wasting his money. If that is what he wants and he has the money to buy it. Who are we to say "it's not necessary" when it clearly is necessary.
Just my 2 cents. Again, we can agree to disagree. Good luck.
Roger Ianos
10-03-04, 11:15
Saint,
I think what dick meant by "it isn't really necessary" was that one can get the same quality for less. If you wanna get the BMW and you can pay half the price why pay more. Just because you can afford it? The thing is that you ruin the market for the rest of us who can't afford it.
Hi Roger,
Actually, it's been my observation that guys who knowingly pay more do so because they suffer from fear of rejection.
Jackson
Bait and Switch warning
Called up Mariel of Gemidos - she´s brown hair with blond streaks in the pictures. I called, and she seemed to understood some english. She said that she´ll be over in 30 minutes.
When she arrived 90 minutes later, it was obvious that she was neither the girl on the phone or in the pictures. She was much more latina appearing, with american indian features one might see at, say, a TJ club. She spoke absolutely no english. She presented herself very poorly with no class, acting somewhat bewildered and lost, like an overgrown 12 year old kid. She was about 5 in looks and had stubbly hair on her legs which put me off even more. She wanted 150p for 1 hour and 100p for 30 min before starting the session.
Although she wasn´t that attractive, I figured, ¨what the hell, what about 33 dollars for a 30 minute blow job? I´ll just keep my eyes closed!¨ She bailed herself out of that even as she didn´t want to do anything before getting paid first, saying she ¨siempre paga antes.¨ Since I RTFF (thanks to all the senior members who laid down the law) I told her that ¨YO siempre pagan despues.¨ She wouldn´t budge. I got pretty annoyed with her attitude and after a couple minutes of more aggravation, offered her 10p for taxi.
She then wanted to borrow my phone to talk to someone on the phone. After couple minutes begged me to talk to the girl (the mamasan?) myself - it turned out to be the girl that I talked to earlier on the phone to make the appointment. She was as inflexible as the chica was. So I was only too happy to send her away with 10p.
The point I am trying to make is that if you can get product X for say 150 pesos it is not necessary to pay 350 pesos for product X. It may be necessary to pay 350 pesos for product Y. I'm just not convinced, based on 32 years of mongering experience on 5 continents, that those who are paying say 350 pesos are getting product Y. I think they are still getting product X, in most cases.
Value = Quality / Price
JackDaniels
10-03-04, 14:56
Agree with sentence 1.
Agree with sentence 2.
However, lets look at the formula:
Value = Quality/Price
Price is Objective (you have already been told what this is)
Quality is Subjective
Therefore, Value is Subjective.
Quality can be only be fully assessed after consumption, so it is an ex post assessment not an ex ante assessment. However, a decision needs to be made up front (or ex ante) on what the quality might be and this is where experience comes into play.
Needless to say, a wrong (over) estimate of quality at the higher price end can lead to a greater sense of loss than at the lower end. An underestimate of quality at the lower end has less of an effect as the downside here is much less.
(an excerpt from the WSG University research paper on this subject)
Actually a lot of times the price I pay depends on my perception of quality, by which I mean if price is not negotiated in advance, I pay 'em what I think they are worth and if they don't like it they don't have to fuck me again. I seldom have an issue with this approach. In fact the session I had a few nights ago, not only was price never discussed but I had no idea of what her expectations were.
Saint, I'm sorry but you sound like a travel agent trying to push premium priced trips. And Moondog is still trying to support higher prices with that "example" about Madahos.
I thought I was through with this, and didn't respond when you gave this same argument in response to my last posts. But here you bring it out again.
Why is it so hard to understand the issue is not the relative QUALITY of a Black 10 versus a Nuevo Estilo 7, but the difference in PRICE between a Black 10 and a London , German, or Las Vegas 10. Or the difference in PRICE between a Black 8 and an NEB 8. About a year ago the quoting price at Black was about $ar300, not $ar600. That's 100% inflation. My point has always been that there is a tendency for tourists to raise the local prices to a world price that has nothing to do with value. That is what we need to fight against.
As the tourists leave Black and Madahos for other places to avoid the prices they caused, they are driving up the prices there, proportionately, also. Which is why I also say lets try to keep them at Black and Madahos, and let THEM try to hold the line there.
If you go look at your budget discussion, they are paying that Black woman about the equivalent of $US600-800 in purchasing power. She is making a handsome WEEKLY salary with each client of 1-2 hours. That is ridiculous in BA.
On bargaining, the women are learning from the tourists how much money they are willing to spend. And they also are learning that if they start at $US200, the man will not counter with $ar200, he will counter with $US150. And, they are learning the "don't tell", trick to make you feel you're getting a bargain. Thus the women are simply playing the tourists for what they have. We need to try harder to educate against this tendency, not promote it. And with your "thumbs up", you are promoting it with the woman, as well as here.
I wouldn't care about this, but like other forms of pollution, it ultimately affects us all.
Prices seem to be going up in AR
When I first started looking for a place to move to AR was about 30-40 bucks for pussy and now it seems it is over 100 for a short time. I can get that in the US.
Where would you say the cheapest pussy is? Columbia? Brazil?
Chuponalgas
10-03-04, 16:42
Maybe you guys just like to buy meaningless sex, but I like to pay the girls at LEAST $300 USD, then they REALLY love me!
Lexton. Like I said. We can agree to disagree. I think the biggest difference might lie in the fact that you and Dickhead and maybe others like you guys look at sex only as the act of sex. (Getting laid, having an orgasm). Where in guys like me look at the whole package. The girl I'm actually with, the attraction I have for that girl, her beauty, her performance, etc.
I'm not advocating paying more. You're totally missing the point. My point is that X does NOT equal Y and you and Dickhead and other guys like you keep trying to say that X=Y.
I never push anything on anyone and you can use your example but at the same time I'd say that you sound like a used car salesman on a small lot that is trying to pitch the idea that a 1987 Pinto performs and looks just as good as a 2004 Mercedes. Even though the customer is repeatedly telling you they are aren't opposed to paying more to get what they actually want. They are telling you that they don't like any of the cars on your small little lot but you keep trying to tell them that it's a waste of money paying money for a more expensive model.
I say that if you guys don't want to go to Madahos and Black you simply don't go. I guess the biggest problem I still see is that you are using your own tastes and amount you want to spend on the rest of the WSG world. Yes, you will pay more in the higher end clubs. It has always been like that and it probably always will. I'm not saying you can't find some hot girls in the other clubs. I've pulled out lots of girls out of the other clubs too. When a girl gives you a price, you can either accept it or move on. Market forces and supply and demand will work itself out.
Talk to guys that know Buenos Aires. Guys like Andres that have been in probably more clubs than most guys. Ask him where the most beautiful girls are. Ask him if you totally take price out of the equation, which girls he is most attracted to. Ask him which girls he would rather have sex with. I seriously doubt he will be telling you the clubs in Flores like Dollys. In fact, I asked him that very same question before and he told me the girls in Madahos are his favorite type. That is the point I'm making...nothing more...nothing less.
I wouldn't care about this either but several of you keep trying to say that guys that spend more are either being stupid or it's not necessary. When you guys drop the argument that X=Y than I will too. I'm not saying all the girls in the higher end clubs are hotter. Several in those clubs are quite bad. Still, the stunners that ARE left over I've never seen that calibre in other clubs. Keep in mind that I live here now and it does me NO good to try to push people into Madahos and Black. I'll still continue to tell it like it is though. Good luck.
P.S. I just looked at some photos on the BA WSG section. I could make the argument that many of those pictures make me wonder who in their right mind would pay money for those girls. (Let's be honest...many are older, out of shape, unattractive, full of stretch marks and tattos, etc. that many of us wouldn't sleep with if you paid us). I don't say those guys are wasting their money though. The thing that matters is if those guys had a good time. All of this money talk is relative. Like I said..... X does NOT =Y.
"Dickhead and maybe others like you guys look at sex only as the act of sex. (Getting laid, having an orgasm)."
That is total bullshit and everyone who knows me knows this is not true. You don't know any "facts" about me. We've never even mongered together. (For the record, Saint and I have met exactly one time, at a dinner where he insisted on tipping 30% of the bill, although he says he does not advocate paying more than necessary).
"Dickhead and other guys like you keep trying to say that X=Y."
That's not what I fucking said.
More from a past experience in BA
1)Mary from Platynum $70/100. Beautiful smile, big natural hooters and two shots on goal. Viamonte 485. Wasn´t allowed to shower before or after. Must be something wrong with the shower.
No DFK and no CBJ = no repeat, could benefit from a slimmer belly. She´s from Misiones and has a three year old Nino.
In appreciation of comments "Who´s your daddy, baby": (1707 Santa Fe)
During round 1, we got into a standing Perrito, she´s on all fours on the bed and I´m standing at the corner of the bed pounding away. I startied slapping her a** and started in with "Who´s your Daddy baby?" She sorta grunted.
2) Called Annabella from Gemidos. Promised Completa, Tantrica, Relax Total. P $150/hr. CBJ and no DFK = No repeat
When I got to the place On Acachnco, near Juncal (Barrio Norte), it wasn´t Annabella that intorduced herself (bait and switch), heck she seemed cute enough anyway, so WTF and plowed ahead. The room had a straight massage table and a love seat. Clara Andrea started in with an oil massage, making sure the soldier and two drums got lenty of attention. My hands wandered freely.
After the massage Clara got on all fours on the love seat and guided my missile in. I started pounding away and started up with the ¨Who´s your Daddy/ Pappi?" routine while slapping her ass. She was responsive and acted out an orgasm. We kept on for a while and in the interest of keeping this going for a while I fought the urge to shoot. Well I should have shot, cause we ended up finishing manually.
Clara Andrea had a cute enough face, but her chest wasn´t as big as I like and her hips were big than the uniform she wore seemed to hint at.
She´ll do outcalls and is open on Sundays. A second shot on goal is an additional P$75. NO a good Dickead value.
LAGNAF
LAGNAF
"I started slapping her a** and started in with "Who´s your Daddy baby?" - She sorta grunted"
". . . started up with the ¨Who´s your Daddy/ Pappi?" routine while slapping her ass. She was responsive and acted out an orgasm"
LotsaFun,
Based on your experiences, may I suggest you change your routine?
Just a thought . . . Peace, -P
" tipping 30% of the bill "
I was at that dinner, and NO the tip was not 30% but 55% do to the constant attention to detail by our wonderful waiter Jose at 1880. For the record Dickhead got sick from that meal, seafood poisoning.
Regards,
Starfe
p.s. "You can't really afford that luxury when you are visiting"
now you are starting to get it Dickhead. Time is of the essence.
Lexton ,
You live in the twilight zone. Stop dictating how and when we Tourists should spend our money. You make pointless points. Using you're negotiating tactics ( or lack of ) the only thing I will get a chance to fuck would be something I found crawling under a bridge.
Starfe
Ferris Bueller
10-03-04, 21:18
Having returned to rainy London from sunny BA, I'm now feeling quite depressed at having to leave, and planning my next trip again!
I have to say thanks to all you guys on the BA forum, I know I didn't get a chance to meet up with any of you but the information on this forum has made my holiday an absolute stormer and I will definitely be back!
I stayed in the Loisuites in Recoleta and it was great, (and very discreet) although I think next time I may try arranging an apartment for a week or two.
And I've sampled the pleasures of Cattos, Black, Madahos, Hook, L'affaire and many more....and become a total convert to Latinas. The GFE is mindblowing!
But Argentina has so much to offer. I managed to see the falls, the Moreno Glacier, and Bariloche too, and even managed to get some mongering in in Bariloche thanks to this forum!
I'm now trying to find a way to convince my employer to open a branch in BA :-)
Anyway, I'll return to my usual spot on the London boards, until next time! Thanks again..
JackDaniels
10-03-04, 21:23
I find this price discussion interesting only in so far as I am able to make out that better quality (my definition) is available at a higher price. If it does not, then the whole picture gets a little murky. If Blacks and Madahos are at one end of the spectrum and the other boliches are at the other, it will make my life a lot easier as I will know where to go shopping. I see where Lexton is going with this argument but I can't see this working as prices will equalise sooner or later, a point I was trying to make earlier. I don't see how you can "fight against this" as you are powerless against these market forces. How could you organise such an arrangement ?
Where does this leave me ? My understanding is that there is general acceptance that the chicas in Black/Madahos are better looking and are available at a higher price.
Saint/Dickhead - I think you guys are more in agreement than you realise. Both of you say that X is not = Y. Dickhead merely questions that if Y is more expensive than X, is that difference in experience really borne out in the difference in price ? From his perspective, the answer appears to be "Probably No". Saint may have a different answer. Vive la difference. This is how I understand it (IMHO).
Enjoy BsAs in your different ways. I soon hope to enjoy it in my own way. As always, I appreciate your opinions.
Cheers.
Be careful with credit cards.
I used my credit card twice in the same night last week, once at Newport, and once at Madahos. The charges came in for those two and were accurate. However, there was also a charge for $195(dollars) for a company in London, England. All three charges came in on the same day. I never bought anything, and so the only thing I can think of is that one of the clubs added another charge. I have cancelled my card, and the charges are under investigation.
Normally I do not use credit cards just for this reason, but I did this night. This is just a warning to all to be careful out there.
I will let you know if anything is obtained about either of the clubs.
Moondog
JackDaniels,
Maybe you are right. Also, maybe I didn't post my point "you guys look at sex only as the act of sex. (Getting laid, having an orgasm). " the best way. No offense was meant to anyone. Sometimes it's hard to express things in these posts. I only meant that the way I'm reading some posts it seems like the posters are trying to say that a session is just a session. Maybe it was a mistake reading on my part. When I read, " I think they are still getting product X, in most cases", I took it to mean that he still thinks X=Y. Maybe he didn't.
Anyway, there is a little something for everyone in Buenos Aires and ultimately THAT is what matters. I do appreciate reading everyone's opinions though. I still think as long as we aren't intentionally offending anyone with our posts. Again, no offense was meant in my post.
Also, I truly believe there is a difference between being generous and wasting money. If you get good service in a restaurant and you want to leave more than 10% that doesn't mean you are wasting money. If you are helping out someone that is working hard for a living or less fortunate than you and you think that is wasting money then that would also defeat the whole purpose of things like charities...
I talked with Chad, the doorman who used to be at Hippopotamus, and now is the doorman right next door. he said that Hippo was supposed to open in about a month in the same venue as it was before.
Moondog
CaptainNemo
10-03-04, 23:18
55% tip? No wonder Argentina economy is better now.
By the way, many countries have no tipping tradition until American started to visit.
In this discussion about sex and price I keep seeing some mongers writers talking about how attractive the chica is. In the same posting they exclude from the conversation how good the sex is.
It seems that for some, how attractive a chica is is the only thing that is important. For me, how good was the sex is first and how attractive the chica was is second (assuming the chicas are at least a 6.5).
What's more important guys, good sex with a reasonably attractive chica or bad or lackluster sex with a super model. I'll take the former over the later any day.
Stowe
Attitude is 90% of the score.
Jackson
CaptainNemo,
To be honest I have no idea what the tip was that night. The food was great the atmosphere was wonderful and I got my first chance to meet a real Dickhead. How could you possibly put a price on that ? I think our dinner with Andre the following night at a chinese restaurant was the big tip night. Back to back great dining experiences. The highlight of the evening was the lesbian club Andre took us to after. I never said thank you to Andre for trying to buy me the bartender. He offered her 300 U.S. for an hour for me. No luck. I would have paid $500 for the chance. I still would today.
Starfe
Starfe,
I wholeheartedly agree with you. Good food, good friends, good atmosphere, good service. The last thing I think about is what % I'm going to tip. Also, don't think that we didn't notice you sneaking back to the table at Todos Contentos and leaving a bigger tip. Ha, ha. T.B.D. and I caught it. (I guess you think we are cheap leaving a 20% tip?? - ha, ha).
That bartender was beautiful at Nuevo Estilo. Speaking of non-pros, I asked Bobby at Madahos if the dancers are available and he said there are good odds that I could get most of them to go out for a session, albeit for a higher price. That is interesting to note for some of you..
CaptainNemo, I think that Americans are some of the most generous travelers in the world. I've traveled all around and I think there is a reason that even though foreigners might not have a good opinion of America, they still love Americans. Just because the rest of the world might not like tipping for good service and doesn't like tipping doesn't mean that it is right. Most of the true friends that I have believe the same thing as I do. That in the hobby and life in general... what goes around comes around. All of them are happy and it's good karma. Good luck all.
General Custer
10-04-04, 07:21
I guess I won't be winning the value mongering prize any time soon! I actually hesitated to post what I paid for the girl in Black because I knew comments would be forthcoming, but since no one other than Saint has been providing pricing information for mongers so inclined to visit there, I thought I'd go ahead and contribute.
No hard feelings or offense taken, Dickhead. We all know where you stand on things and I, for one, enjoy reading your posts. But until you can show me that you sessioned with the same woman I did for less money, you have no basis for calling me an overspender. You got pissed that others were making assumptions about you, but at the same time, you can't really say that you know me, either. There are only two valid reasons I can think of for mongers here to be calling each other out on pricing:
1) somone not knowing better (i.e. the current going rates at various boliches)
2) sessioning with the same woman (i.e. off an internet site) for a much lower price
Funny that we show each other an appropriate amount of respect with regard to the chica pictures posted here (with chastisement of members that express disapproval at the looks of some of the women bedded by fellow WSGers), but as soon as someone's personal threshold for maximum price payable for sex is crossed, we're quick to hear about it. Do you honestly think some of us are just looking to throw money away? I'm not rich. Why would I spend that kind of cash on one woman if I could, say, session 4 times at Santa Fe for less? It's because of the one thing that Saint has been referring to but hasn't named:
Aesthetic. Our idea of beauty. I really do not know you, Dickhead, but I would venture you are at least past your 30's, as are the others who are insulted by some of us paying more than 200 pesos for a woman. I think there's a generational gap between the aesthetic of us younger, pickier mongers and those more experienced than us. I can think of no other explanation for the notion expressed by some that the girls in Black or Madahos are not hotter than those in the other clubs. For all the younger guys I've been in contact with, this is truly a no-brainer. The young women that fit this aesthetic have a price which some of you are unwilling to pay. That's your choice, just don't belittle mine.
You are, in fact, right that you aren't competing with us. But realize that we're shopping for entirely different things if you think an equation can settle this.
GC
Chuponalgas
10-04-04, 08:47
I can't wait to get back to B.A.
I heard about a new place where you can eat dinner, have a few beers, and get laid all night, all for only 20 pesos! I haven't been there yet, but my sister said it was GREAT!
Well, ceteris paribus (that means "all else equal" for those who slept through that class). it seems to me that a younger monger should be paying less for any given chica and not more. Ditto very handsome mongers. I am neither young nor handsome but I am a lot of fun. I am not one of those saying the chicas in Black and Madaho's are or are not any hotter since I don't go there. Perhaps a source of confusion is the mean or average looks in any given boliche vs. the presence or absence of hot chicas. Let's say the average in Madaho's is 8.5 and 25% are >9.0. Let's further say the average in Boliche X is 6.0 and only 5% are >9.0. I can still go to Boliche X since I only need one chica.
But to give you an example, I know a chica who works in both Black and Catto's. She is an 8 and not a 10, but she fucked a fairly frequent poster from Black for 300 pesos and was telling me she never leaves from Black for less than 250 pesos. But, I pay her 125 and it's not just me, either. Another guy who was down here just fucked her from Catto's for 150.
So, yes, the exact same chica, and less (way less, in fact) at someplace other than Black or Madaho's. Throw in the wild disparity in the price of chica drinks and the savings are even more.
Another example would be Jamadi, the Cuban chick who works in Madaho's and also at Catto's. I got her to agree to 200 in Catto's (would I pay 200? NO! Another monger was buying; it was my birthday or something) but then I told her to fuck off because she wanted the money up front. The guys I know who've taken her from Madaho's have paid 250 or 300, Exact same chica. And again, in all fairness she is certainly not a 10, but then on my scale a 10 is only theoretical. 9,999999999999999999 is as high as I go and to be honest I have never seen anything above a 9.12452918 in Buenos Aires, not even in Madaho's (never been in Black; maybe it is littered with 9.9995s but I will never find out).
And (hopefully) the last thing I will say right now is that perhaps part of this "generation gap" to which GC refers is that the more experience I have, the less looks matter and the more attitude and perfomance do.
Jaimito Cartero
10-04-04, 09:41
Hey, DH, stop using Latin! I'm in Bali and having to use Google to figure out what the hell you're talking about on their snot slow internet service! ($3 an hour, only a dialup line, shared among 4 computers. That sucks!)
Patata Chips
10-04-04, 09:45
How many space all of you lose on discussion about money? Every one have a point of view. Is two years I ask for models in this forum and no one give my a answer and now you start a big discussion about money, starts a big discossuino about no one give me a direction for what I ask.
I don't tip girls, is realy hard I tip in restaurant. I am italian probably is for this, we are not use to tip. You never understand why the price rise up in that club? This two club are all the time in this forum and you know how many people read this forum?
Most of this people are english speaking, in the anglosaxon culture is realy normal to tip an probably this is one of the reason the price rise up.
Step 2:
I work in Black: nice legs, nice ass, breast champagne cup, I rate me 7/8 good attitude in bed. Black is in front of Alvear, the most expensive hotel in BA. I ask normaly 200 peso. Night after night, some give me 200, 300, 250, 400, 500, 420, some time I found 1000, 1500 peso and all the time they tip me. Ok, I start to ask 300 peso and they tip me all the time to. I start to ask 400 peso and the game go on.
All of you undestand the problem. If you like some girls repeat and and you found good chemistry go on with this girl, because if the girls do something more is probably the way she act or she found something in you and why not repeat.
And remember in west country the night club like Blacks or Madahos charge betwen 250/500 euro (800/1600 peso), the people in Alvear are use to spend 600 to 2000 euro for a girls.
In Milano you can have beatuful models the day after are on fashion shows and cost you 500/600 euro if you bring out; dinner, drugs, table in the disco with some bottles of Veuve e Clicoq, but you must know the right people. Or put some 1000/2000 euro and no problem and sure some come true.
I have frends they spend 500/800 euro in disco for table and they have a lot of girls around the table and they have screw some of this.
I hope you understand what I have written. If you have information about high level girls in BA give me a message. Remember this: These girls don't go to Madahos or Black, they go to non-pro disco in most of the time in the exclusive one.
An old Jacksonian (not Andrew) adage:
There is no correlation between the amount of money one pays and the degree of sexual satisfaction obtained.
On another note, the old boliche Snob (or Snot) on Cordoba has risen from the ashes again as the "Pussy Club". With a name like that I suspect sexual services are being offered or maybe not. We need a report from some adventuresome monger (not me).
Stormy
General Custer,
That's a great post. That is exactly the point I was making. Two totally different classes of girls. There might be a rare girl that works in both Black and another lower tier club but it is very few and far between. (Keep in mind that Black and Madahos has very ugly girls too).
I totally agree with your comment about not being rich. Most of us aren't and we don't like throwing money away. It's just that we are after a different product. Perhaps the best paragraph on this whole price argument was the one you made about the pictures posted here. No one calls out guys on how ugly some of these girls are yet they will call out a guy for paying more than a certain amount for a girl. It's all relative fellas.
I've received a few private emails and PMs from other guys that went to Black but didn't want to post because they felt they would get slammed on the price issue. No one should be afraid to post their opinions and experiences. It's how we all get more educated.
As far as the age thing. I agree with Dickhead that younger guys usually can pay less OR I've found more that they will get much more time than someone else. It's simple human nature sometimes. If a girl is attracted more to a guy she might be more inclined to spend more time with him or leave for a lower amount. Of course you have some girls that don't budge on the price but 99% of the time I have gotten her to stay for much longer.
After reading your post, I'm sorry I couldn't hook up with you that one night. If you make it make to BA again, drop me an email or PM and we'll hit the clubs. Best of luck to you.
OttoGraham
10-04-04, 11:36
Outstanding post, General Custer.
I don't live in BsAs, I visit, generally for no more than a week at a time. This being the case, I am able to pay for better looking products and don't have a heart attack when I might blow an extra fifty bucks in order to have some pretty young thing that could easily be on the pages of a swimsuit edition. If I do it every day, over the course of a week I'm only down $350. Which is only a third to a half of what I spent on that plane ticket alone.
If I so chose, I could stay home and get a good blowjob from a homely chick for $50. Why would I fly 5,000 miles to get a good blowjob from a homely chick for 100 pesos?
Horses for courses, of course - some might well prefer this. But I don't, and many others don't, either. Like you, General, I get tired of people claiming others pay too much or are stupid because their preferences don't match those of a few, very opinionated, very prolific posters. Some guys are on the search for the holy grail of a five peso drill - more power to them, I say - but when I shop for clothes I don't go rummaging around Goodwill, so why should shopping for chicas be any different?
I'm glad you are enjoying the lifestyle - because that's why I travel there too.
Uncle Otto
This whole thread about the girls in Blacks and Madahoes makes me recall the old addage about there being nothing written about tastes in flavors and colors. I went to Blacks a few years ago and just couldn't for the life of me feel that there was anything there that warranted the absurd prices the girls were asking. Makes me remember that supposedly the well-loved Sandy from Platynum and Escortsbaires, etc, etc, now works at Blacks and just a few years ago I spent a chunk of time with her but if I calculated how much I spent spent per hour it would have to be the equivalent of $25 pesos per hour with the girl. YMMV. So why would I ever want to spend $300 p per hour for someone like that?
And now this same girl's in Blacks getting $300 pesos per hour or more.
This entire thread about how Blacks and Madahoes have the hottest chicas is so overblown anyway since neither of those two clubs have anything remotely like a super model that you'd find on the cover of the Sport Illustrated bathing suit model such as Yamila Ruiz Diaz from Argentina or the famous Pampita form Argentina.
I agree with Professor Dickhead with all his formulae that you only need one chica and that these hot chicas are available in most of the boliches and privados, etc, on any given day. The first time I went into Nuevo Estilo I went upstairs with a 21 year old in need of a little dental work but aside from that she pushed all the right buttons and had the cutuest, tighest little ass and the most pleasant personality though she didn't remotely belong on the Sports Illustrated cover but that didn't stop me from being in pig heaven the entire time I was with her.
And some of these girls that quote you U$600.00 per hour, who the fuck are they kidding? It's just that they're catering to the top 2 percentile of the wealthiest people in Buenos Aires but they're just not worth it, they just don't fucking have gold-lined pussies or know how to fuck like Tracy Lords. So this whole finger wagging thing that we're doing here with some of the younger posters saying that they wouldn't touch a lot of these girls with someone else's 10 foot pole is just blatant bragging. This is just a case of some of us wanting to brag that they get better looking girls than the rest of us and THAT is just another case of "beauty is in the eye of the beholder".
CaptainNemo
10-04-04, 11:50
I will try very hard to express my view on tipping without offending anyone. After all, how you spend your money is not my business.
A few years back, I was in one of European country for business. I invited my local colleagues out for dinner at one of best restaurants. When the bill came, I paid with my credit. On the credit card receipt, there is no place to leave a tip as I do in the US. So, I took out a few bills to leave on the table. My colleagues looked at me as I was from another planet. They were amazed and embarrassed by what I did. One of them finally took bills off the table and stuffed them in my pocket. Then he took out a few coins and left them on the table. They quickly dragged me out the place to prevent me to leave more money. This is not a poor country. It is just not a tipping country.
This is an extreme case. In some other situations, others think at least that I am odd to do such thing.
On the other side, I was embarrassed by some of those European who absolutely refuse to leave a tip in American restaurants.
American is the most generous people on the planet. Doing things with great intention. However, actions with great intention do not translate well in other cultures. This is not limited to tipping. Looking at US foreign policy around world, you get the idea. What’s right for American culture is not necessary right for some of other countries. If we can agree on that we have different tastes on women, why can’t we accept the difference in other cultures?
Some love to drink $2 wine, others like $100 wine. Or, drinking $2 wine at $200 a plate restaurants. For the record, I love Madahos and Black. I did pay $200 pesos for the Madahos girl after a quick negotiation.
I used to hate negotiation. Since I took the negotiation training from Chester Karrass(it is in every airline magazine), I love to negotiate. It improves my business negotiation skill greatly. If you cannot take the training, you can read Dr. Karrass’s books.
Captain Nemo,
No offense taken and no offense to you but I think being a cheapo is the same in the USA, England, Africa, South America or anywhere else in the world.
You shouldn't be worried about what your friends think but start getting worried when the waitress that served you tells you that you need to put your money back in your pocket. I doubt the waitress complained that you were leaving a tip. I'm not saying you leave a huge tip every time. Hell, if you receive bad service you don't even have to tip.
I know it's different in many countries including many in Europe where they are paid a salary. Still, leaving a few extra euros, dollars, or pesos won't kill anyone if you get good service. If I was in a restaurant in the USA with a European and they didn't leave a tip, I'd never go out to eat with them again. Just the same as in Buenos Aires. I've been out with Americans to dinner that didn't want to leave a tip and needless to say I'll never go out to dinner with them again. What I've ALWAYS done since I was maybe 18 years old is tell myself if I was working in their position how would I feel if someone didn't appreciate my hard work. I knew from a young age that I could NEVER work in that type of environment so I am especially mindful when I get good service.
Perhaps the most disturbing/painful event since moving here was when I was being nice and accepted a dinner invitation from this guy who kept bragging about the millions he had made. Then he complained about the 6.50 peso taxi fare to Puerto Madero with lines like, "I think the taxi driver is taking a longer route", even though it was his first time to Puerto Madero. All during dinner he talked about all the "deals" he had made and the money he made. (I hate talking about money with strangers. ) Then the check comes and he doesn't really want to leave a tip with lines like "I think it's already included in the bill....yadda yadda yadda". That is just being a cheap bastard and we all know it.
Like I said. A piker in New York is the same as a piker in Europe. JMHO.
OttoGraham
10-04-04, 12:51
Having worked waiting tables in my life, I appreciated getting tipped. I do try to find out the tipping customs in places I visit, but even so, I always leave a reasonable tip wherever I go, whether it's the custom or not. In so doing, I've never had anybody say that they thought less of me for having done so. Maybe they THOUGHT so, but they didn't say it. Oh well. Better to err on the side of being thought of as stupidly generous rather than cheap and miserly. This is my own personal diplomacy to help out the image of Norteamericanos overseas. ;)
Uncle Otto
PS - Let one thinks not tipping is a "European" thing, one of the most tip-conscious places in the world is Hungary. And last time I checked, they're Europeans. :)
Just a quick question, and then you guys can get back to philosophizing....
I will be in BA later on this week and I'm thinking of venues for an afternoon juntita while I'm there. I've read through the list of private apartments that Jackson posted, sounds like Maipu, Suipacha and Santa Fe are the top contenders. I'm just wondering if anyone has any recent experience at Bonne Femme or this new place I see on the internet, Baires Love.
Gracias amigos,
Guillermo
And now back to our regularly scheduled programming....
Chuponalgas
10-04-04, 14:50
Hey I realize this is the Buenos Aires Economic Debate Forum, but I was just wondering if anybody has gotten LAID recently???? Personally I ALWAYS pay the girls double what they ask, so they will know what nice guys we Gringos are! Just doing my part for international diplomacy.
DonRoberto
10-04-04, 15:17
About to go to the airport (more depressed than usual) for the trip al norte after my fourth visit to Argentina.
Spent most of my time at 3221 Guemes. Was taken with a blonde called Millena, and one called Carolina. Exceptional value for 70 pesos for the half hour. Apparently these girls appear on some website.
Also paid a visit to 1707 Santa Fe, where it was the standard fare: an exceptionally pretty, pleasant, slim practitioner of BBBJ (francesa sin globo) for 60 pesos for the half hour. This and the Guemes place are exceptional value, in my opinion.
The last day here-a session with Millena, followed by a sumptuous lunch with wine at RodiVinho (on Callao) for 12 dollars.
If this isn´t living, what is? Feel bad for the poor SOBs who haven´t discovered BA.
OttoGraham
10-04-04, 16:40
Originally posted by Chuponalgas
I was just wondering if anybody has gotten LAID recently???? Personally I ALWAYS pay the girls double what they ask, so they will know what nice guys we Gringos are! Just doing my part for international diplomacy.
I got a blowjob from an ugly chica the other day. She had an ass as wide as the River Plate, her stomach had more rolls than a bakery, and she more lines on her face than one finds on a road map, but HEY! It was only 40 pesos!
I also had a glass of beer for a mere one peso. Sure, it tasted like chilled squirrel piss, but what a price! The place also served free pizza. It may have tasted like toasted cardboard with brown dirt sprinkled on top, but it was free!
All you suckers, you're all paying too much for your fun. You need to be more like me, the equation is "OttoGraham minus taste equals a cheap good time."
Uncle Otto
JackDaniels
10-04-04, 16:42
Starfe - you would pay $500 for a bartender ? Holy macaroni ! $500 just for someone to pour you a drink ? :) Now that is a big tip.
More seriously though, it appears that it is the venue, and not the chica, that is a determinant of pricing. Reading Dickhead's example, the same chica commands a premium at one place compared to the other.
What is good is that we will never agree on what is better quality and this is good as we all don't end up chasing the same chicas. OK, most of us will prefer Jennifer Lopez over Roseanne but we will probably split into almost equal sized groups when we are faced with a choice of Cameron Diaz or Gwyneth Paltrow.
In my travels, I have always been amazed by the tastes of my fellow mongers in the kind of girls they take out of clubs. It is true diversity of taste.
I only mention this in the context of the discussion of price and quality. One man's better quality is another man's waste of money. Long may it remain so.
JackDaniels,
I will be back at that club on Nov 12th and close that deal. She was 5'10" and looked like she just stepped out of a Playboy centerfold. I set goals for every trip.
Thank god they don't include a cure for cancer.
Starfe
Well I have what everyone I talk to thinks is a very cute chica and she has been blowing me since last night and I will give her 120 pesos and she will be happy. I don't go with ugly chicas. Ask anyone.
EDIT: My chica refused to take any money because she started her period in the middle of the night. Like I fucking give a shit. I'll sneak her some more next time just to be fair.
Regarding Otto's comments, last Sunday I got a blow job for 40 pesos from a girl whose ass was very nice, who had no rolls on her stomach, and no lines on her face.
Rockin Bob
10-04-04, 18:11
Hey, it's great to back in BA! Great to see some of the fellow mongers!
Seems like the last page or so is a debate on price, quality, value, whatever...here's my 2 cents worth of advice, based on experience and what others have said that I found to be true:
There is no correlation between price and quality.
There is no correlation between looks and quality.
There is no correlation between someone else's experience with a girl and your experience with the same girl.
I agree with JackDaniels: sometimes I'm amazed at the tastes of my fellow mongers! But, on the other hand, they're probably equally amazed at me. De gustibus non disputandum.
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