Sante Fe 1707 Apt. 3

[Jackson]

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[Capt Dave]

Poor Customer Service at 1707!

I've been waiting patiently for Jackson to post his story, and now I have to prod him a little.

During a visit to 1707, El Rey de Recoleta himself has the distinction of being the first monger I know of who was aborted in mid-stroke by his choice chica because he was "to big"!

Yessir folks, our leaders' monster member brutalized this poor girl so totally she was forced to throw in the towel and announce she could stand no mas! Her insistance on a hand job finish was not received with any sort of enthusiasm (for some reason!)

Needless to say, he was not happy, having already paid a substantial propina for the extras he expected to enjoy. The duena offered a small rebate, but basically the attitude was -"Too Bad - we never guarenteed you´d get to actually finish"

I´ll leave the rest of the details to El Jefe to elaborate on (should he choose), but in my view it was a serious failure in the customer service department, and deserves to be met with a boycott of some type - at least against this particular chica (Barbara, I believe, is her nom de concha)

David

[Jackson]

Too BIG for Sante Fe

One measure of any business is how they handle dissatisfied customers. Guillermo at Affair’s interrogation of the chica that ripped off Mickey Mouse, and Bobby at Madaho’s interceding to get Crazy Emily permanently off my case, are just a couple examples of Buenos Aires businesses making an extra effort to resolve a customer’s complaint.

And then there’s the apartment at 1707 Santa Fe.

I don’t generally care for the private apartment scene for a number of reasons, but after hearing and reading the experiences of so many Forum Members visits to the various apartments, I decided, in the name of research, that I should at least see for myself what all the interest was.

I selected what was reputed to be one of the best private apartments in the city: 1707 Santa Fe. It had received endorsements from several qualified mongers, including Andres, Capt Dave, and lately from Speculator, who seemed to have visited there every day for two weeks. Besides, the place was only six blocks from my apartment. If I was going to develop an apartment as an afternoon get-away, it seemed to meet all the requirements.

I made my first visit on a Monday afternoon in the company of Capt Dave. We arrived at the rather non-descript building on the corner on Sante Fa and Rodriguez Pena at 5pm. From all the glorifications in the write-ups, I had expected some sort of elegant Victorian townhouse, but I was instead confronted with a unimpressive concrete building with a drably painted foyer leading to a cramped 1950's style elevator. We exited the elevator into a small hallway with a single door and an adjacent intercom. As Capt Dave rang the buzzer, I observed the security camera peering down at us from the ceiling.

We were greeted by a middle aged woman who invited us into the foyer. Again, I was unimpressed with the decor, which consisted of dusty, thread-bare carpeting, dusty, thread-bare furniture, and windows covered by dusty, faded curtains. We were quickly escorted into the “Viewing Room” decorated in the same worn motif, where we had a seat and awaited our opportunity to select our chica de jour. Even the doors in this place had a worn-out look consisting of old wood that was greyed, cracked and bare from years of use, without the benefit of having received even a single new coat of varnish in years.

One by one, in quick succession, the four available chicas entered wearing bra and panties, introduced themselves with the obligatory peck on the cheek, and quickly departed, the entire sequence being completed within a minute. I selected “Barbara”, a slim, medium height chica with light brown hair. After advising the “Madam” of my choice, “Barbara” returned and led me across the hallway into a small bedroom where I was invited to wait.

As I waited, I took note of my surroundings. One reason I don’t like the apartments, or in fact any “on premise” venue, is that I always imagine the stereotypical small room furnished with a single bed, with stained sheets on a mattress that it was bent in the middle from overuse, illuminated by a single bare bulb dangling from the ceiling. Thus I was pleased to note that instead I was comfortably ensconced in a small room furnished with a single bed, with stained sheets on a mattress that it was bent in the middle from overuse, illuminated by a single bare bulb on a lamp next to the bed. Whew! That was close.

Barbara returned a minute later to advise me of the pricing structure: $60 pesos for 30 minutes, $80 pesos for 45 minutes, plus an additional $20 pesos for a BBBJ, which I had expected to pay directly to the chica as an extra inducement, but which had now been apparently incorporated into the official pricing structure. I opted for the 45 minutes with the BBBJ, and handed her a $100 peso note. She asked me if I wanted anything to drink, and I asked for a coke with ice.

She returned in 5 minutes with a dirty glass filled with a warm, flat, dark liquid that she insisted was coke. Miraculously, just one sip was sufficient to satisfy my thirst. She closed the door as I sat on the bed and noted the time on my watch, which I had placed on the table for the specific purpose of determining if 45 minutes actually meant 45 minutes.

Barbara next offered me a stained white towel the size of a postage stamp, and asked if I wanted to take a shower, which I declined having just showered a couple of hours ago. Besides, I could just imagine the condition of the bathroom. She then produced a condom, whereupon I advised her that we would be using mine as I pulled one of my own brand out of my pocket.

Finally, we were ready to begin. I first asked Barbara to take off her clothes, a request which she promptly ignored, instead instructing me to lay back on the bed. She then crawled onto the bed, popped off her bra, and ordered me to play with her breasts. I again told her take of all of her clothes because I wanted to see her naked, and she instead grabbed my hand and placed it on her breast. Okay, it was time to establish who’s in charge here, and I politely told her to stop being so bossy and instead just do what I told her to do, whereupon she got the point, stood up, and removed her panties.

The BBBJ was average, although she tried to stop after the first minute, then again after the second minute, and then after about five minutes she sat up and indicated by rotating her jaw that her mouth was tired and that she could no longer continue. Okay, I handed her the condom, and after she put it on we proceeded to do it with her on top as I instructed. This lasted for about 5 minutes, although she twice tried to hop off and change positions. In addition, she was bombarding me with a series of vocal encouragements to finish, until I politely told her to cool off and that I would finish when I was ready, thank you.

We switched to doggie style, during which she continued to pull away each time I gave her a good forward thrust. After about three minutes she pulled away completely, complaining that my dick was too big and it was hurting her. Now, for the record, I fit comfortably in my favorite brand of Trojan Magnums, but I’m not about to put anybody in the porn industry out of a job. Anyway, I decided at this point that this entire scene really wasn’t my style, and thus I’d just finish quickly and chalk up the whole thing to experience, so I told her to assume the standard position for my final run. After about three minutes, she scurried out from underneath of me, proclaiming once again that I was too big, that we couldn’t continue, and that she wanted to finish me with a hand job.

“A hand job! What, are you fucking kidding me?” I was thinking. Anyway, what I told her was that “I didn’t come here to pay $100 pesos for a hand job”, but that she could finish me with a BBBJ. “Are you crazy” were her exact words, in English. We went back and forth for another minute, and she was insistent that I could not fuck her any more. I just shook my head, and we both realized that neither one of us was going to budge, so the session was over by mutual declaration. Okay, fine. She left the room and I got dressed. The time: 22 minutes.

I walked out of the room, across the hall and into the foyer where Capt Dave and the Madam were talking. “How was everything” she asked, and I told her “Terrible, the chica stopped before I could finish because she said I was too big, so I’d like to have my money back.” The look on her face was priceless, and I had to repeat myself twice, afterwhich the chica entered the room and essentially corroborated my remarks, acknowledging to the Madam that she stopped the session for the afore mention reason. Everybody was calm, nobody was angry, and everyone agreed to the facts, so I again asked for my money back. The Madam asked me to wait as she slipped behind a screen and through a door, apparently to consult with el Jefe.

She returned and advised me that I had received 20 minutes of sex, including the BBBJ, and that their shortest session was 30 minutes for $60 pesos, plus the $20 pesos for the BBBJ, which was a total of $80 pesos. I had paid $100 pesos, and thus she was going to give me a $20 peso refund. “No, No, No” I said, “The session was ended by the chica before I could finish” and that I wanted a full refund. We went back and forth, she telling me that I got 20 minutes of sex, and me reminding her that the “Final Minute” I didn’t receive was really the most important part. She told me that they didn’t give refunds, and I offered to accept a credit to return another day for another 45 minute session with another chica. Finally, I told her that I wasn’t a tourist, that I live here in BA, and that if they didn’t do the right thing here I would tell all my friends and they would certainly lose business. This part just went right over her head. She eventually left to consult with her associate again, only to return and simply say “no”. That was it, the end of my options, and we left.

The Final Analysis:

Well for one thing, using the services of an apartment requires that you pay first, which is a violation of one of my four basic tenets of good mongering, and this situation demonstrates why: Once they have the money, you have no control, your only option being to quietly withdraw your patronage, which is exactly what I’m going to ask every member of this Forum to do.

Here’s what I would ask of this Forum’s Membership:

First, just don’t visit 1707 Sante Fe. They’ll never know the difference, but if one less Forum Member visits per week, that’s $5,000 pesos they won’t bank in the next year.

Second, if you are compelled to visit, please make a point of telling the Madam that you don’t want “Barbara” because you heard from a website about the time she stopped a session because the customer was “too big”, and you’re concerned that you’ll have the same problem.

Third, and again, only if you are compelled to visit, please make a point of asking the Madam what happens if the chica ends the session before you can finish because you are “too big”, and if so, will you get a refund. In other words, make them explain their policy while simultaneously making them aware that you heard about what happened to the other norteamericano.

The bottom line is this: These people need to learn what many of the club owners have already discovered: If one American has a problem in their establishment, the next day every American knows about it.

Information is power, and that’s what this website is all about.

As for me, I guess I’ll just have to live with the fact that I’m just too big for some girls.

Yea, right.

Thanks,

Jackson

[MoonDog]

Were you too big for Emily too? :):):)

Just kidding.

[Left Fielder]

Jackson wrote: "Now, for the record, I fit comfortably in my favorite brand of Trojan Magnums, but I’m not about to put anybody in the porn industry out of a job."

From the tact that he exhibits in handling this board, one would imagine that Jackson is not a man who would go around bragging about the size of his manhood. Nonetheless, you guys do have to admit that a man who moderates a forum such as this must have a good deal of "cajones."

Jackson, forgive my candor, but I believe that there is no need to downplay it. You've got "a lot of balls" to keep up this excellent site. Keep up the great work, and thank you for the information.

[Dancesw/Chicas]

Jackson,

Do you remember the name of the madam? Silvia or Sol?

What was the time of the day?

I am going to call them all the way from the United States and explain that they made a BIG mistake not refunding your money! This way they'll know that when they do that to an americano even the ones in the States will know about it. In fact, I will ask them to give you back the money or else I will stop patronizing their place and I will spread the word about the incident.

I like to encourage other mongers to do the same. We owe this to Jackson for ALL THE MONEY WE SAVE THANKS TO THE BOARD, FOR ALL THE HELPFUL REPORTS, AIRFARES INFORMATION, ETC, ETC...

Their phone # from the US is 0011 54 11 4816-1490.

Is just a quick, cheap phone call.

This kind of customer service is typical of Latin America. They rather hold the 100 pesos and see you go for always. If I were the manager of 1017, Jackson would be having 50% off sessions just for his marketing network value. Come on boys! Let's make our voices be heard!

DWC

Hi,

I've been advised by Capt Dave that the Madam was indeed Silvia.

Thanks,

Jackson

[Jaimito Cartero]

Well I guess we'll have to start calling you Big Jackson, or perhaps Big, or Biggie. You don't look like a rap star, so the latter one may not work.

I mostly agree with Jackson that they should have refunded your money. In lieu of that, the credit with another chica wasn't too bad. I mean, the lamp was on the table, right?

I find stories like these the most important on the site. Everyone tells their glory tales, and we all ooh and ahh over them. It's when things don't work that we all need to know how to approach the problem. I don't think many of us could do more than Jackson did.

I find it ridiculous that they'll charge you 20 extra pesos for a girl who can only blow you for a couple of minutes. That might work for pubescent boys, but not many more.

I find that the first 5 minutes is very telling of how the session will be. When they want to be difficult right up front, it's not cute, and you should probably bail. 90% of my bad, or very subpar chicas this year were difficult (that's the polite word), and I regretted going on with them. I actually only stopped one (in Costa Rica), but didn't ask for my money back. I did tell the management that she was bad, though.

[Boxing Rule 222]

Dances that is a great idea.

I will do it as soon as the madame's name is posted.

People we have to help each other out.

Hi,

I've been advised by Capt Dave that the Madam was indeed Silvia.

Thanks,

Jackson

[JamesBond69]

Another interesting approach - and much more practical than calling from the States - is to get Barbara's email (probably a playtum email address?) and emailing en masse, complaining of her customer service:-)

PS
"Banned from Blacks" coming soon "The Heroic Story of how Mongers' Stuck Together to Right an Injustice!!!

Viva Mad Max

[OttoGraham]

"Silvia" is the name of the bottle-blonde madam who opens the door at 1707.

And as for Jackson - perhaps we need to give him a new nickname besides "El Jefe." Perhaps "Hedgehog the Second" or maybe just "H2."

He's going to have to give us a sex show with one of the Argentina Private babes at Tuesday night's AMA meeting. I'm sure he can raise hundreds for WSG Charities by just a few minutes of fun. We can even tape it and sell copies as a board-wide fundraiser.

-Uncle Otto

[Dancesw/Chicas]

James Bond,

I disagree with your approach. E-mailing doesn't have the weight of a phone call. E-mailing Barbara, I mean, she can just click on "delete all" while have the management on the telephone is a more serious approach.

Also, Jackson posted that Barbara agreed she ended the session, the problem was with the management refusing to give back the money.

DWC

DWC,

I agree. As gentlemen, we can all agree that a chica has the right to end a session at any time, abet without compensation, and the recourse would be to never call her again.

In this situation, my beef is with the management 1707 Sante Fe for insisting upon keeping my money regardless of the obvious fact that I didn't receive the service for which I had paid.

To me, their actions are the equavalent of a moving company losing all my furniture in a traffic accident just short of the delivery address, and then offering me a 10% a refund because they had successfully delivered my furniture 90% of the distance.

I like the idea of some of the 1707 regulars calling Silvia and voicing their concerns. Here are the talking points:

Date: This past Monday, Feb 23
Time: 5:00 pm
Customers: Two middle aged norteamericanos.
Madam on duty: Silvia
Chica: "Barbara"

Their phone number from the US is: 0011 54 11 4816-1490

Thanks,

Jackson

[Slick1]

Hey, I'm a little confused.

Does Jackson have a beef with the management of Santa Fe 1707, or do they have a problem with the management of Jackson's beef.

You may be out $40 dollars but imagine what it will do for your reputation.

[Amantelondres]

Jackson and other Santa Fe mongers

This ain't just an American issue......this is of global concern !!! Britain will certainly play its part ! I think the management of 1707 will regret what they've (not) done.

[Dick for Brains]

I guess I must admit that I come up a bit short in comparison to El Jefe. In fact, as reported in 2003, Barbara was able to manage all of my manhood on my first day in BA this past December.

I guess we all can't be as gifted as Jackson, but than again, at times, smallness has its advantages.

DfB

[Speculator]

Jackson,

I’m very sorry to hear that it did not work out for you at Sante Fe 1707. But, that was a great, great post you wrote. You had me cracking up.

Some thoughts

I also am not a fan generally of the private apartment scene, although I did like Sante Fe 1707. My view of Sante Fe 1707 is; it’s a great place to go in, see the lineup, and get a nice afternoon or early evening, BBBJ, pretty easily, for 60 pesos to the house, and 20 more to the chica. That’s about it. I guess my expectations were just not that high regarding getting good service from the house, or a nice facility. Then again, maybe my dick is just the right size to have a good time there. I’ve only been to two apartments in BA the other being Bonnefemme, and I can say without hesitation that Sante Fe 1707 was much bigger and nicer. Maybe somebody with a lot of apartment experience can post comparing the facilities of these places.

I agree they should of absolutely given Jackson his money back. Had they known how much bad publicity they would get I would bet they would reconsider, but they are just too ignorant. How do they think all of these NorteAmericano’s are suddenly showing up at their door, by osmosis? By taxi cab driver recommendations? They are ignorant to the fact that information is being shared, regarding the place, on this forum. I think letting them know that is a great idea. I’m sure Jackson wants his money back, but even more importantly, and I’m sure he would agree, is that the house going forward, conducts itself with a little more savvy customer service. Guys in the future should feel pretty confident about the fact that they are going to get what they paid for when they go there. Or else, no one will go there. I know personally if I continue to read bad reports about the place, I won’t be going when I return to BA. The reason why I went there in the first place was because of the posts.

I never felt at all like Sante Fe 1707 was a clip joint. I just think they acted ignorantly in this situation. Once again it comes down to the problem chica. If you run into a bad one or one you are just not compatible with, there is not much you can do, you’ve had and are going to have a lousy time.

Regarding the Questionable Facility, namely, the single bed, with stained sheets on a mattress that it was bent in the middle from overuse, illuminated by a single bare bulb dangling from the ceiling, a suggestion would be to take the girl out to your own place instead of staying on premise. I believe I read on this forum that you can take the girls out from Sante Fe for the same price, and many have reported better service this way. I personally never tried it, because my interests with Sante Fe were in a nice, quick, cheap, easy, afternoon BBBJ with a nice looking chica. In fact, I believe it was also reported that if you knew many of the girls, from regular use, you could just call and they would send the girl to you, of course plus taxi fare. This place definitely has a use. I hope they straighten this out and do the right thing, and going forward recognize the power of shared information.


Some real fluent Spanish speakers should take the time out, IMHO, and call down there and explain what they have done, and how it could significantly impact their business, and hopefully get a “happy ending”. For some reason, I think that it will have no effect. I hope I am wrong. I mean we are talking about an apart-brothel here with no sign out in front of the place like a Blacks, Madahos or Wal-mart. It’s pretty seedy in that regard. This madam at Bonnfemme argued with me over ten pesos and all I did was view the girls. I couldn’t even imagine what kind of fight we’d of had if I fucked one of them for a while and the session ended in the middle and I wanted my money back. I’m sure it would not of went well. I also don’t know if Sante Fe 1707 really cares if any NorteAmericano’s come there or not. At these prices it seems more like a place for locals and that’s their business model, and all us NorteAmericanos are just gravy. I hope some guys take the time out to call and post the results. Dancesw/Chicas said he was planning on calling. DWC, what happened? Until next time, Adios Amigos.

Speculator

[Stormy]

Regarding Santa Fe 1707 outcall -

After going to 1707 a number of times, I began to call over there in late morning for various chicas that I knew there to come to my hotel in the afternoon. It worked well and the cost was the same as in-house, plus taxi. I do think that there is an hour requirement on outcall, though.

I do intend to speak to Sylvia about this issue with service. Hopefully the matter could be resolved better or I think they will suffer a severe loss of customers.

Stormy

[Dancesw/Chicas]

Amigos,
I did call 1707 last night, but neither Silvia or Sol were on
duty. I talked to Cecilia (chechu @ platynum) who's the
chica doing the hosting when is needed. I decided to
wait until I could talk to Silvia.
I agree the facilities are almost decent... The place is just
an option for when walking around Santa Fe. Is really
cool for me to walk around Buenos Aires and know that
available chicas are just a block away. I wish I could say
the same about the US.

DWC

[HappyGoLucky]

Gents,

After reading Jackson's admonitions about Sante Fe 1707, I thought it proper to apply a double blind study (well maybe not so blind....) and compare results. As I only had a short break in my otherwise hectic schedule, I just dropped in around 8 p.m. for an objective evaluation of the night's lineup because I lacked sufficient time for "in depth" study. In conclusion, I found that the madam, Silvia, definitely needs to attend charm school as she somehow lacks the warmth I've grown accustomed to in this wonderful town. HOWEVER, before leaving I met two absolutely stunning ladies that knocked my socks off and nearly caused me to cancel the rest of my night's activities. The first was Bris (not sure about spelling), a beautiful busty little weight lifter that looks like she could hurt you, and the second was Pamela, which I can only describe as tall, tan, curvy, and gorgeous. As previously recommended, I immediately wrote their names down before leaving and plan to have them delivered to my apartment in due time at which point I hope to post results in this esteemed publication. Until then my brothers of the AMA.

[Dancesw/Chicas]

Sante Fe 1707

Jackson and other amigos,

I called today and talked to Sol (Soledad). I asked for Silvia and she told that Silvia is off for a few days... Anyway, when I started to talk about the incident with Jackson, she told me that SHE was the one "hosting" that day. Well, she said that it was true they ended the session but according to what Barbara told her, Jackson was extremely rough and unconsiderate with her and he was given it to Barbara "full force" doggie style. (go Jackson go!!)

Anyway, she (Soledad) told me that Barbara told her that when she asked Jackson to stop for a moment, Jackson said that he was the one giving the orders. (who's your daddy!!) I interrupted her to asked if that was anal sex and she said it was regular, just doggie style. (I was loving it!!)

Finally, Soledad said that they (management) will talk to Barbara seriously if they received complaints from several different customers but not for a single one.

She also mentioned that Jackson's friend "the italian" (who's that?..... Luca Brasi? ha!) was very satisfied with he's session and only Jackson was "difficult".

I personally think that Barbara is probably a no-no. I remember her from the times I have seen the line up and she isn't attractive enough compare with the others. I ended the talk saying that the word on the streets is that 1017 is not as reliable anymore and she said that they want all the customers to have a good experience and that "ese senor" (Jackson) was a special case. Anyway that is the report from the phone call.

DWC

Hi DWC,

Thanks for making the call. My description of the events is entirely accurate, and specifically, at no time was I in any way "extremely rough and unconsiderate", nor was I ever "difficult". Sure, after the chica ignored my second request to take off her clothes, I told her, in a calm and polite voice, that I was "el jefe", and that I wanted her to do what I asked her, upon which she complied. Hey, what can I say, I don't like chicas giving me orders.

In additon, she didn't suggest that "we stop for a minute", she simply announced that we were going to stop, period.

As to "full force" doggie style, is there any other way? Perhaps "half force" doggie style? Or perhaps "feather duster" doggie style? This is such BS.

Anyway, this isn't about the chica, it's about how the mangement of Sante Fe responded to incident, and that's where THEY (not the chica) failed miserably.

The net result is that I will still get all the pussy I want, but if I manage to use the power of this website to convince just one guy per week not to visit 1707 Sante Fe, which is certainly a realistic number, then THEY will have 5,000 fewer pesos in their bank in the next year.

Still, the solution is so simple: All they have to do to make good on the situation is to invite me back for the 45 minute session that I already paid for but did not receive. Hell, I'll even pay the extra 20 pesos for the BBBJ. It's simple.

BTW, "the Italian" was Capt Dave, and of course he was satisfied because he didn't get ripped off. He paid for 30 minutes and he got 30 minutes, including the opportunity to finish.

Thanks,

Jackson

[Jackson]

This is a re-post of the report that got this subject started.

Too BIG for Sante Fe

One measure of any business is how they handle dissatisfied customers. Guillermo at Affair’s interrogation of the chica that ripped off Mickey Mouse, and Bobby at Madaho’s interceding to get Crazy Emily permanently off my case, are just a couple examples of Buenos Aires businesses making an extra effort to resolve a customer’s complaint.

And then there’s the apartment at 1707 Santa Fe.

I don’t generally care for the private apartment scene for a number of reasons, but after hearing and reading the experiences of so many Forum Members visits to the various apartments, I decided, in the name of research, that I should at least see for myself what all the interest was.

I selected what was reputed to be one of the best private apartments in the city: 1707 Santa Fe. It had received endorsements from several qualified mongers, including Andres, Capt Dave, and lately from Speculator, who seemed to have visited there every day for two weeks. Besides, the place was only six blocks from my apartment. If I was going to develop an apartment as an afternoon get-away, it seemed to meet all the requirements.

I made my first visit on a Monday afternoon in the company of Capt Dave. We arrived at the rather non-descript building on the corner on Sante Fa and Rodriguez Pena at 5pm. From all the glorifications in the write-ups, I had expected some sort of elegant Victorian townhouse, but I was instead confronted with a unimpressive concrete building with a drably painted foyer leading to a cramped 1950's style elevator. We exited the elevator into a small hallway with a single door and an adjacent intercom. As Capt Dave rang the buzzer, I observed the security camera peering down at us from the ceiling.

We were greeted by a middle aged woman who invited us into the foyer. Again, I was unimpressed with the decor, which consisted of dusty, thread-bare carpeting, dusty, thread-bare furniture, and windows covered by dusty, faded curtains. We were quickly escorted into the “Viewing Room” decorated in the same worn motif, where we had a seat and awaited our opportunity to select our chica de jour. Even the doors in this place had a worn-out look consisting of old wood that was greyed, cracked and bare from years of use, without the benefit of having received even a single new coat of varnish in years.

One by one, in quick succession, the four available chicas entered wearing bra and panties, introduced themselves with the obligatory peck on the cheek, and quickly departed, the entire sequence being completed within a minute. I selected “Barbara”, a slim, medium height chica with light brown hair. After advising the “Madam” of my choice, “Barbara” returned and led me across the hallway into a small bedroom where I was invited to wait.

As I waited, I took note of my surroundings. One reason I don’t like the apartments, or in fact any “on premise” venue, is that I always imagine the stereotypical small room furnished with a single bed, with stained sheets on a mattress that it was bent in the middle from overuse, illuminated by a single bare bulb dangling from the ceiling. Thus I was pleased to note that instead I was comfortably ensconced in a small room furnished with a single bed, with stained sheets on a mattress that it was bent in the middle from overuse, illuminated by a single bare bulb on a lamp next to the bed. Whew! That was close.

Barbara returned a minute later to advise me of the pricing structure: $60 pesos for 30 minutes, $80 pesos for 45 minutes, plus an additional $20 pesos for a BBBJ, which I had expected to pay directly to the chica as an extra inducement, but which had now been apparently incorporated into the official pricing structure. I opted for the 45 minutes with the BBBJ, and handed her a $100 peso note. She asked me if I wanted anything to drink, and I asked for a coke with ice.

She returned in 5 minutes with a dirty glass filled with a warm, flat, dark liquid that she insisted was coke. Miraculously, just one sip was sufficient to satisfy my thirst. She closed the door as I sat on the bed and noted the time on my watch, which I had placed on the table for the specific purpose of determining if 45 minutes actually meant 45 minutes.

Barbara next offered me a stained white towel the size of a postage stamp, and asked if I wanted to take a shower, which I declined having just showered a couple of hours ago. Besides, I could just imagine the condition of the bathroom. She then produced a condom, whereupon I advised her that we would be using mine as I pulled one of my own brand out of my pocket.

Finally, we were ready to begin. I first asked Barbara to take off her clothes, a request which she promptly ignored, instead instructing me to lay back on the bed. She then crawled onto the bed, popped off her bra, and ordered me to play with her breasts. I again told her take of all of her clothes because I wanted to see her naked, and she instead grabbed my hand and placed it on her breast. Okay, it was time to establish who’s in charge here, and I politely told her to stop being so bossy and instead just do what I told her to do, whereupon she got the point, stood up, and removed her panties.

The BBBJ was average, although she tried to stop after the first minute, then again after the second minute, and then after about five minutes she sat up and indicated by rotating her jaw that her mouth was tired and that she could no longer continue. Okay, I handed her the condom, and after she put it on we proceeded to do it with her on top as I instructed. This lasted for about 5 minutes, although she twice tried to hop off and change positions. In addition, she was bombarding me with a series of vocal encouragements to finish, until I politely told her to cool off and that I would finish when I was ready, thank you.

We switched to doggie style, during which she continued to pull away each time I gave her a good forward thrust. After about three minutes she pulled away completely, complaining that my dick was too big and it was hurting her. Now, for the record, I fit comfortably in my favorite brand of Trojan Magnums, but I’m not about to put anybody in the porn industry out of a job. Anyway, I decided at this point that this entire scene really wasn’t my style, and thus I’d just finish quickly and chalk up the whole thing to experience, so I told her to assume the standard position for my final run. After about three minutes, she scurried out from underneath of me, proclaiming once again that I was too big, that we couldn’t continue, and that she wanted to finish me with a hand job.

“A hand job! What, are you fucking kidding me?” I was thinking. Anyway, what I told her was that “I didn’t come here to pay $100 pesos for a hand job”, but that she could finish me with a BBBJ. “Are you crazy” were her exact words, in English. We went back and forth for another minute, and she was insistent that I could not fuck her any more. I just shook my head, and we both realized that neither one of us was going to budge, so the session was over by mutual declaration. Okay, fine. She left the room and I got dressed. The time: 22 minutes.

I walked out of the room, across the hall and into the foyer where Capt Dave and the Madam were talking. “How was everything” she asked, and I told her “Terrible, the chica stopped before I could finish because she said I was too big, so I’d like to have my money back.” The look on her face was priceless, and I had to repeat myself twice, afterwhich the chica entered the room and essentially corroborated my remarks, acknowledging to the Madam that she stopped the session for the afore mention reason. Everybody was calm, nobody was angry, and everyone agreed to the facts, so I again asked for my money back. The Madam asked me to wait as she slipped behind a screen and through a door, apparently to consult with el Jefe.

She returned and advised me that I had received 20 minutes of sex, including the BBBJ, and that their shortest session was 30 minutes for $60 pesos, plus the $20 pesos for the BBBJ, which was a total of $80 pesos. I had paid $100 pesos, and thus she was going to give me a $20 peso refund. “No, No, No” I said, “The session was ended by the chica before I could finish” and that I wanted a full refund. We went back and forth, she telling me that I got 20 minutes of sex, and me reminding her that the “Final Minute” I didn’t receive was really the most important part. She told me that they didn’t give refunds, and I offered to accept a credit to return another day for another 45 minute session with another chica. Finally, I told her that I wasn’t a tourist, that I live here in BA, and that if they didn’t do the right thing here I would tell all my friends and they would certainly lose business. This part just went right over her head. She eventually left to consult with her associate again, only to return and simply say “no”. That was it, the end of my options, and we left.

The Final Analysis:

Well for one thing, using the services of an apartment requires that you pay first, which is a violation of one of my four basic tenets of good mongering, and this situation demonstrates why: Once they have the money, you have no control, your only option being to quietly withdraw your patronage, which is exactly what I’m going to ask every member of this Forum to do.

Here’s what I would ask of this Forum’s Membership:

First, just don’t visit 1707 Sante Fe. They’ll never know the difference, but if one less Forum Member visits per week, that’s $5,000 pesos they won’t bank in the next year.

Second, if you are compelled to visit, please make a point of telling the Madam that you don’t want “Barbara” because you heard from a website about the time she stopped a session because the customer was “too big”, and you’re concerned that you’ll have the same problem.

Third, and again, only if you are compelled to visit, please make a point of asking the Madam what happens if the chica ends the session before you can finish because you are “too big”, and if so, will you get a refund. In other words, make them explain their policy while simultaneously making them aware that you heard about what happened to the other norteamericano.

The bottom line is this: These people need to learn what many of the club owners have already discovered: If one American has a problem in their establishment, the next day every American knows about it.

Information is power, and that’s what this website is all about.

As for me, I guess I’ll just have to live with the fact that I’m just too big for some girls.

Yea, right.

Thanks,

Jackson

[Jackpot]

Thread: 1707 Santa Fe

El Jefe,

Please forgive my contrarian viewpoint, but I must say the dreaded blue line report is a bit over the top.

I´ve been there for 5 visits and always had a GFE, and always on top of the blanket so I´ve never seen the seen the alleged stains on the sheets. Yes, the place is a bit shabby, reminds me of Tiajuana, Mexico, but I like that kind of sleaze from time to time.

After all, it is not Monte Carlo.

Thanks to your first blue line report, I use the callout service which works super efficient. The pop is 100 pesos for an hour on my clean sheets plus a Taxi fare of 10 pesos.

Sorry you got a nasty lady, and I can understand you rage.

Barbara, whom I´ve yet to encounter, will not get my action in deference to to you, but the other gals are great.

With all your wonderful experiences in Beautiful BA, maybe the Gods threw you a bad one just to make you appreciate all the great ones forth coming.

Keep on truckin´

Jackpot

Hi Jackpot,

My issue is not with "Barbara". My issue is with the management of 1707 Sante Fe, who upon learning from the chica herself that she stopped my session of her own accord, still refused to return my money or give me a credit for a return visit.

Thanks,

Jackson

[Chase Star]

Here is 2 cents worth from a lurker if you vets are interested. Even if Jackson were partly to blame for being too rough, they should have given him a refund. That argument s irrelevant in my book. Whatever happened and for whatever reason everyone agrees he didn't get what he paid for in the end. Yes he got something of limited value, but they should have realized keeping the money could cost more than the 80 pesos, whether they were right or not. If it wasn't his fault and it was Barbara's, he should of gotten a free shot at a different girl. But if they believed it was his fault, they should have simply given him a refund and invited him not to come back (which evidentally he won't anyway). They shouldn't want a customer that gets rough with the girls to come around anyway. Taking the high road would have gotten rid of a bad apple, if that were the case, or would have turned a disatisfied customer into one who would return time and again, if it weren't. And it would have been the difference between mongers being wary of bringing their business to ones that feel even safer going there knowing it is run professionally. What is it they say, a satisfied customer tells a few friends but a disatisfied one tells everyone he knows.

[Dick for Brains]

This thread is entitled "Buenos Aires - Apartments: 1701 Sante Fe" yet the true address is 1707.

This might be a little confusing to the not so serious monger.

Either we should rename the thread or ask Sylvia to move her business a couple of doors over.

DfB

Hi DBF,

So noted, and revised accordingly.

Thanks,

Jackson

[Mickey Mouse]

"Jackson & 1707"

Having been involved in the service business over the years, I would like to add my two sense about Jackson's experience. I have been to 1707 once and I can see why it has become a favorite for many including a couple good friends.

When dealing with the public (drunk or sober), you regularly have situations where you field complaints and/or suggestions from your costumers. Some of these will have merit while others can be baseless. It is up to the proprietor to deal with "All" of these situations, no matter what their personal beliefs or feelings may be in a fair and prompt manner. Jackson was obviously disappointed with the way things were handled and with good reason, an honest effort was not made to rectify the situation. Not even a credit for another day, now that does not make sense!

The management decided not to try and rectify the problem which would have been easy IMHO, instead they kept (most of) his money and said GoodBye. My solution would have been to get Jackson's #2 choice in there immediately for a BBBJTC that would have knocked his socks off! Come on, they couldn't have done that?

Personally, I prefer the confines of my own room when mongering because when a bad experience happens it is easier to right it or just kick them out (which has happened to me more than once). I have posted my mistakes before so we can all learn from them and that is why we are here: to share and learn. When I had my incident with some ladies from Affaire, management was notified and they made the effort to find the truth and deal with the problem. My goal was to inform so as to avoid a repeat in the future. Mission accomplished!

Two things I know about Jackson: 1. He is always deliberate in his negotiations when it comes to money and 2. BBBJ's are always part of the deal!

The fact that Jackson owns this site has no bearing (and should have no affect) on this situation and it's outcome. The fact that a fellow monger had a bad experience and is sharing it with the rest of us so we may all be better informed is what is important here. Share and inform so we may all have better and safer time while out there in that "Monger Jungle", that's what this is all about.

The Bottom Line was: When he pulled out Mr Johnson, she got scared and ran, then 1707 didn't have anyone else who could take care of that Python!

Just one Mouse's humble opinion,
MM

If 1707's regulars just mention the incident when they visit, I bet the solution will be different the next time.

Hi MM,

I appreciate your observations, and I'd like to reinforce a couple of points.

First, the whole incident illustrates that the management at 1707 Sante Fe doesn't give a damn wether you are a satisfied customer. I personally don't comprehend why anyone would patonize any business establishment that has demonstrated such a callous attitude toward's their customers, but that's me.

Second, given that the management of 1707 Sante Fe isn't going to modify their response to my incident, and...

Given that guys aren't going to stop patonizing the place because they can get laid there (and we all know how difficult that is to acomplish in this city), and...

Given that it's still a good idea to for them to understand that we are collectively watching how they treat their customers, then...

I think it's in everyone's interest that "1707's regulars just mention the incident when they visit" as suggested by MM.

Thanks,

Jackson

[James D 2004]

A billionare got jailed because of 50K. I think people at top of their games should take it easier a bit, be flexible on principle and pesos, let the other guys worry about it.

No so seriously, I think this thread is a negative adorsement. Mere mortals won't possiblity encounter Jackson's BIG problems, and continue to visit this top rated apartment sort of acknowledged by Jackson. I'm sure a lot of the less endowed will try to sneak into Babara and see for himself how he compare with the king.

[OttoGraham]

Jackson has always complained to me about having pain in his knees. Well, now I know that's what happens when you-know-what smacks into the knee while walking down the street. Maybe he should dump the boxers and switch to briefs to keep that trouser snake bundled up.

-Uncle Otto

[Dick for Brains]

I agree wholeheartedly with TallnHandsome's assessment.

I love this site and respect and admire the work that Jackson does to support it. This thread however, was initiated by one questionably bad experience and carrying on like this, to me, seems to be almost an abuse of power.

Fucking girl's after meeting them for 5 seconds doesn't always guarantee that you and she (and management) are all on the same page. Shit happens. The one bad experience that Jackson had wrt Barbara should not unjustly penalize 1707 and must be weighed against the scores of good experiences that others have reported on this forum.

Let's move on.

In the words of one senior member - "enjoy the life."

DfB

Okay, let's bring this back into perspective:

For the 10th time, my complaint is not with Barbara or any of the chicas that work at 1707 Sante Fe.

My complaint is with the MANAGEMENT of 1707 Sante Fe, who refused to refund my money or give me a "merchandise credit" in spite of the fact that, through no fault of my own, I did not received the services for which I had paid.

The significance of this thread is that it documents a rare opportunity to test the integrity of the MANAGEMENT of Sante Fe, a test that they failed miserably. Their response demonstrated that their concern for customer satisfaction is feigned, that they do not have a "customer service" mentality, and that in fact they demostrated that their policy is that once they have your money, the part of the deal where they have to deliver the services is unimportant.

In other words, "buyer beware".

Thanks,

Jackson

BTW: With all due respect, I have to disagree with your characterization of the events as a "questionably bad experience". I think the facts reasonably demonstrate that it was an "unquestionably" a bad experience.

[Andres]

Guys:

I'm surprised that, in the quest for the perfect apartment, nobody but myself reported about the Templo de Marrion.

This place, located at Maipu 429 5º "5", offers an acceptable variety of girls. I would say that most girls look Paraguayan or Northern Argentinian compared to those at SF1707, but the premises are slightly better (private bathroom in every suite and one apartment per chica instead of one room, since they own the apartments of the whole floor) and the service is as good as SF1707 or better.

As fs as I remember, prices were ar$50 30 minutes and ar$100 the hour. Phone numbers can be found at Platynum (those ending in 1895 and 4568).

Hope this helps,

Andres

[Dick for Brains]

Jackson -

I've re-read your post. Sorry for my mischaracterization of your experience. While perhaps you may feel that you deserved a credit, it is not totally unreasonable for an objective viewer to think otherwise and thus not to boycott the establishment on account of it.

Sex with different ladies every day is an inherently risky business. Sometimes you get more than you expect, sometimes less. If you want consistency, stick with a girlfriend.

Although you didn't climax, she did provide some periond of bbbj and protected sex. Apparently you were a bit rougher and larger than she is used to and thus she was unable/unwilling for you to cum as you wished. Perhaps if you were a little gentler you could have completed the act.

While it would have been great if they credited you for the full amount, the fact that management didn't is not totally unreasonable.

If you go to a restaurant and are not crazy about the food, some restauranteurs will offer you a free meal, others will not. While it is entirely reasonable for you to choose not to return to the restaurant because they didn't offer you a free/different meal, you can't expect your friends who have eaten there and did enjoy the food not to return there as well.

I just feel that this thread is going a bit too far on this matter.

I welcome your thoughts.

DfB

Hi DFB,

Thanks for your comments, but your analogy falls short in one important aspect.

If I go to a restaurant, am presented with a menu, order a meal, and in this case, prepay for said meal, and then as I am in the midst of eating said meal the chef comes to the table and promptly removes the plate because he has decided that he does not want me to finish the meal, then I or anyone else would reasonably expect THE MANAGEMENT of the restaurant to refund the money I had paid for the meal, or at the minimum give me a credit voucher for another meal on another day.

In this circumstance, I don't believe any rational person would agree with a decision by the MANAGEMENT that since I had actually eaten part of the meal, I was not entitled to a refund.

Talking about how nice the chef has been to other diners, or how nice the other chefs are or have been in the past, is irrelevant.

The fact is that these people ripped me off.

Thanks,

Jackson


Jackson,

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. No hard feelings.

DfB

[JustGotBack]

"I deserve what I got"

I would like to publicly appologize to El Jefe for not listening to his wisedom. I commited two sins this afternoon. One, I went to Sante Fe 1707. Two, I picked Barbara. Net result. Put my name in Jackson's story and you have mine. No I don't even fantasize about measuring up to Jackson and all I wanted was a BBBJ. So I thought I was good. I repeated this twice before I paid and twice after. Barbara said si all four times. 5 minutes into it she proclaims I'm to big for her to go on. She says it hurts her mouth. It wasn't much of a BBBJ to begin with. She stuck her tongue on my shaft and used her hand for the most part. I take this in stride and settle for a hand job. 2 minutes into that she asks why can't I finish. Well it's because she's horrible at it. So I try to take things in hand. A couple of minutes after that, she asks what my problem is. I've had it. I say NO MAS!! EL JEFE!!! EL JEFE!!! She gives me back the 20 I paid for the BBBJ to buy me off. I'm not detered. I talk to Sylvia the madam. I tell her my tale, Barbara backs me up. She sushes me into a room and says it's not her fault. What happens is up to the girl. I tell her I will never come back. She says that I will never come back to see Barbara? I say no, I will never come back period. She calls me back into the room again. Some old spiel, same statements from me.

I'm not angry that she had to stop the BBBJ if she was uncomfortable. I wouldn't want her to continue. But if she had said something the two times I asked before I paid, I would have just picked someone else. What really got me pissed off was all her comments. Asking me what my problem is because I can't cream my pants like a teenager is not really the way to get me motivated. Especially since at that point all she was doing was lying there.

Also, I take it that many of her clients are tourists. She speaks english far better than most chicas. In fact, when I started saying I'm sorry I don't speak much spanish in Spanish. She finished saying it for me after lo siento.

Don't be a fool like myself. Jackson's experience is worth it's weight in gold.

[Jaimito Cartero]

I guess you can't say you weren't warned. If they didn't give you your money back (you didn't say one way or the other), then it just shows that they don't give a shit. It appears that this particular girl wants to work for 10 minutes and then be done. She needs to find a new job.

It's like going to an oil change place, and them just putting a tablespoon of oil in, and saying, "Hey we changed it". I still think a picketting operation is in order. (Or perhaps handing out leaflets)

[Knuckhead]

That's It! They lost MY business too!

I must admit that having had a good experience at 1707 in the past, it was hard for me to justify a boycot of this establishemnt based on a single bad report. In this line of work, there are too many variables to allow for a universally perfect outcome in every case, so a certain but LOW number of unwanted outcomes is IMHO unavaoidable. The way in which the management handles and deals with these cases, however, is indicative of the caliber of the business. Before reading the report of JustGotBack, I fully intended to give them the benefit of a doubt and use their services on my upcoming trip, but I now have changed my mind.

Reading JustGotBack's report, it is self evident that "Barbara" is a problem chica. Hurrying a customer to finish, when he has already paid for an hour, only has one possible outcome: Resentment. It is quite clear that this Barbara chica has very little enthusiasm about her line of work and does her best just to "get it over with". Even so, hurrying the customer rarely works, as there are many other effective ways of expediting the inevitable. In fact, it is educational to know what the "typical" experience with this chica would be, if she does not terminate the session abruptly. Few mongers can go on for an hour. Most will shoot their load in the first 30 minutes, so what about the rest of the time? Does she initiate a second round? Does she give you a massage? Does she chit chat? Or maybe, she simply shows you the door after the first pop. I am willing to wager that it is probably none of the above, as (more than likely) she terminates most sessions abruptly. And this is where the management fails, exactly as Jackson said. Good mangement would have treated Jackson better, and after a few complaints like this would have simply gotten rid of this Chica. She has no place in this line of work. If for nothing else, doing so makes business sense and is fair to other girls working there, trying their best to do a good job. For example, when I was there, Mony (My chica) immediately went for a massage and a second round after numero uno. By not dealing with this one bad apple, the management is not only alienating their client base, but also being unfair to their other hard working girls.

It reminds me of a time when I visited the Brussels RLD near Gare Du Nord. I chose a simply gorgeous Italian Chica who would be at least a 9 in anybody's book. Everything was nice until I sensed, after about 5 minutes, that she is hurrying me to finish. At that point I simply lost interest and could not even finish the deed. In fact when I think about it, aside from the time I was a teen-ager, I have NEVER been able to finish the deed when I sensed that the chica is deliberately hurrying me.

Again, as Jackson said, the problem is with the management of this place in their failure to deal with this one bad chica. Jackson, you are a wise man. I didn't see your point initially, but now I do.

Knuckhead

[JustGotBack]

No I didn't get my money back except for the 20 Barbara gave me for La Boca. Sylvia´s stand is that the girls work for themselves. That they are independent contractors in essence. She's only there to answer the phone and open the door. She's not culpa, responsible, for anything else. Hell I didn't even want my money back. Since I was only in there for 10 minutes, another girl would have done nicely. Just don't pay Barbara and pay the new girl. I would have been happy with a credit for another time or a discount for that matter. It's not like I was a first time customer. I was hoping it would be my afternoon entertainment all week but now I will seek satisfaction elsewhere.

[Dickhead]

Personally I think the thing to do in this situation is to immediately jack off all over the girl, and I mean ALL over. But then, I'm a

Dickhead

[JustGotBack]

Forget Santa Fe. Save your time, money and more importantly bullets for a much better place. Skip out on the fat and attitude filled women. Unless you are into that type. I found my perfect daytime place today. Check it out in 2004 reports.

DH, I couldn't do that if I tried. She was holding up the towel in front of me while I had things in hand. That didn't help.

[Knuckhead]

I agree. Again, with credit to Andres, we are referring to Suipacha 921 Apartment 6C, right in front of Hook and Cattos. Last night Knuckhead was the lucky recipient of a three-some by a very tall Mulata girl and a fake blond in her early 30's, about 5-6 in looks. The apartment is "Jacksonian" in its looks but functional. The best part was the no-pressure offer of two girls for 45 minutes for 100 Pesos. It may not exactly win the Dickhead award for value mongering, but it IS pretty damn cheap. The Mulata girl was very surprisingly "tight", so thought Knuckhead the "Junior".

[Frijole]

Went to SF 1707, last week. At first I could not tell what floor this apt was on so, I decided to check one floor at a time. I started on the top floor (I think it was the 5th but I'm not sure). As I made my way down the stairs I ran into a young man and I asked, if he knew of an apt in the building that had chicas "de compania". He told me the place I was looking for was located on the 3rd floor. When I got there, I rang the door bell, a gal opened the door and asked if I had been there before. She explained to me how the place worked they only had 3 gals. I picked Barbara. She was fairly attractive and seemed nice. When I got in the room Barbara told me it was $100 pesos for an hr. and $20 extra if I wanted a BBJ. All and all I had a great time. I got 2 pops in one hour. I was very satisfied with the services I received. I gave Barbara a tip and was not sorry for it. I plan on visiting this fine establishment on my next trip in June.

[OttoGraham]

A post in a separate thread reminded me of the excellent selection and service I have had in this place on previous trips. On my January/February trip there was a line-up of nine girls.

All of them were eminently do-able, and probably 6 of them rivalled the best-looking girls I've seen working out of Black's.

That said, there can always be a dud or failure of chemistry. (See the posts about "Barbara.") This fortunately hasn't happened to me in this place, though.

-Uncle Otto

[LA Larry]

Otto--

I totally agree about the Santa Fe Apartment. Its a really good option in my book.

I was shocked at how doable these lasses were. The (daytime) line-ups that I saw usually featured 6 or 7 ladies---and I would be hard pressed to make my selection.

To be more exact--the girls at Santa Fe--easily compare or surpass the girls in the clubs (including blacks)

Is it a perfect establishment? No.

But as far as looks, prices and service (in my own experience) I was more than pleased.

I recommend taking the girls off site to your apartment. (I prefer this to calling up unknown, bait and switches on some of the web sites).

[Capt Dave]

Price change at 1707!

This just in.....

Effective immediately, the 1/2 hour rate is no longer available at 1707 !

80 AR for 45 min. is the new minimum.

Too bad.......



David

[Stormy]

Re: 1707

The new price structure should eliminate the riff-raff from clogging up valuable room space!

As long as Jessica is available there will always be an Argentina for me.

Stormy

[Midwestern Guy]

Wow, I take a few months to post my experiences and it turns out I had a great experience with the chica, Barbara, that Jackson had a bad experience with. I guess you broke her in for me Jackson! Maybe it wasn't the same girl? I even got yelled at by the hostess for asking for Barbara's phone/e-mail!! I guess YMMV comes into play her.

Anyway, I didn't have a chance to check out other apartments while in BsAs. But I'm up for boycotting as long as there are a couple more complaints, and we have another great afternoon alternative.

[Saint]

Funny. I never read this thread on the BA section. Sorry to hear of Jackson's experience. Personally I never really liked the apartments either for the reason Jackson doesn't like them. That's why I usually pull them out and just see them at my apartment. It's the same price as seeing them there. You only need to pay some pesos for taxi. They have some mediocre talent. No hard bodies but some of the girls have pretty faces. On my last trip I noticed that Pamela is still there after over a year but she has put on weight.

This was my first time I sessioned in the room there. Bed was shit, lighting was shit, it was freezing, it was noisy but the girl was great in bed and total GFE. I won't session there again though. I'll pull them out but after reading Jackson's experience maybe I'll just try out all the other apartments. I think if you do decide to go to 1707 Santa Fe you should at least mention the fact that your American friend had a problem here and you want to make sure that BEFORE you pay you're not going to have the same problem. Maybe then the owners will realize what kind of business they are getting because of Jackson's site. JMHO.

These chicas talk so much I had already heard through the grapevine that Jackson was packing heat. What I found even funnier was when one popular girl was asked by a monger how I was in bed. Strange.....

[Bandy]

When I asked Soledad about the abolishment of 30 min session, she acted surprised. According to her half an hour action @60 P is still available.

Bandy

[Dancesw/Chicas]

Bandy,
The half=60 pesos was unavailable only for a week or so.
Supposedly, there were many "businessmen" visiting
1707 in their lunch hour, so they put that session back on
the menu.
That is the reason they gave me, but I think is because
the 60 pesos session patrons are a big chunk of their
business.
Anyway Bandy, who did you pick? how was it?
DWC

[Ferolga777]

Saint says:


<<<What I found even funnier was when one popular girl was asked by a monger how I was in bed.

Ha, ha!
That's so goofy.
But maybe the other guy is a skeptical fellow that doesn't believe anything he reads.

It's still goofy.
By the way, I am the Barishnikov of the horizontal ballet. Ask any chica.

Whatever,
Ferolga

[Bandy]

DWC,

I did Paola (short hair) in the day time and Romina (20 yr. old from Paraguay, an absolutely great girl) at night time. Although, I always go for one hour sessions. Romina was very interested to come to the apt and gave her number, but I ran out of time. Most of these girls, especially the girls from Paraguay have "documento" problems and are stuck in these privados. I am liking this place the best. I even like their bathrooms now and had no problem taking a full shower. The cleaning process is my biggest problems with the privados.

Bandy

[Sterling V]

Chose a spinner named Natalia and brought her back to my apartment. This girl is tiny and took it like a champ. I tossed her an extra 50 for a vigorous completo...a jaw dropping experience. How does something so big (humor me) go into something so small? She was a total GFE, best session of the trip.

Sterling V

[Knuckhead]

Life hardly seems fair. While my friend Sterling V is STILL down there having the time of his life, Knuckhead has long since been confined to sex prison and can only live vicariously through reading and writing reports. Well, since I have much more time than he has, let me tell you the WHOLE story. What Sterling V wrote was simply a part of a ménage-á-emmmm. cinq!

The trio of Sterling V, Luv Ass, and Knuckhead paid a visit to this venerable establishment not long ago. Once in the "viewing room", the madamme, Soledad, presented us with a parade of eight chicas. Knuckhead has always had a "thing" for Soledad, but alas, it was not to be (again: (). All eight chicas presented were imminently doable, and completely on par with internet girls, in general. The finalists, in the order chosen by Luv Ass, Sterling V, and Knuckhead respectively were Karina (tall Moracha), Natalia (Ding, Ding, Ding. Spinner alert! ), and Analia (Redhead).

While the chicas were preparing themselves for take out and Knuckhead was trying his luck with Soledad, Luv Ass had a change of heart and informed us that he is now considering going to the Triangle, instead. That put Knuckhead in the position of having to deliver the news. Well, being a genitalman; ), he instead decided to take both Karina and Natalia together. Now, if there is such a thing as a "wonderful problem to have", that was it. It was decided that Sterling V, the three chicas, and myself would have the ménage-á. [whatever that would add up to- At the time I was too horny to count! ].

Well, once in Sterling V's apartment a practical problem presented itself. There was simply not enough space for the five of us to "get comfortable". Here we were standing, flags at "full staff", in front of these three gorgeous chicas, and we were dealing with the logistical problem of finding a place to actually shag. Sterling V grabbed Natalia for a quick BJ and they retired to his bedroom. Karina, Analia, and myself made out a little in the main living room, and then decided to go to my apartment next door. Since my apartment was literally next-door we didn't even bother to put on our clothes (or even pick them up from the floor). We just got out of the door naked and started fumbling with my key at my door, and were back in "privacy" within 15 seconds!

I'll write a little more in the 2004 section about what at this point had turned into a ménage-á-trois. Analia, who later said she is genuinely bisexual, was into the act from the start. Karina started a little reserved but after a few minutes was fully engaged with DFK’ing me and caressing Analia. We took turns for two field goals, one for each of the girls. At the end of the hour, since we had left our clothes in Sterling V’s apartment, we simply reversed the process and returned there naked.

Once back at Sterling V’s apartment, we found this sweet little spinner curled up and cuddling in the arms of Sterling V. One look at the girl and another at Sterling V, and it was obvious without uttering a word what had transpired. And. Sterling V, the Greek warrior; ) has already written the rest!

Knuckhead

[Sterling V]

Knuckhead,

This is my last night in BA. Que the sad music. I'll be heading over to 1707 Santa Fe for a repeat with Natalia. After my experience, Love Ass took her for a spin the other night. It looks like her tight little butt is drawing a crowd.

Thanks again for being such a good guy to hang with. It was something I hope we can do again soon, very soon.

Sterling V

[Phish]

Ok thats one apartment that I can scratch off my list for my trip to BA.

Good reports by mongers who returned to back up Jackson's story.

Thanx for the heads up guys.

[CaptainNemo]

Santa Fe 1707:

This place gets a lot of coverage. So, I decided to check out this place.

I push the button #3. The girl buzzed me in. I came the 3rd floor. A lady let me in. I sat on the sofa waiting for girls coming out. The whole thing reminded me about my experience at Marbella, Spain.

When I was waiting, I heard this noise. Something was bang on the wall. What hell was that?

There were about 6 girls at that afternoon. I was not impressed by the talent. But, the 4th girl gave me a direct kiss on the lip and even slipped a bit tongue, while other girls only gave me a light kiss on the cheek. I decided to experience the famous Santa Fe shag with this 4th girl(I don't remember her name).

Well, the shag was ok, nothing to write about. When I bang the girl, I realize what that noise is. It is the bed banging against wall.

I did accidentally leave some DNA on that bed sheet. My apology for whoever going after me in that room.

This is not a place I will even go back and it is not because of Jackson’s boycott.

[Saint]

This apartment is VERY hit or miss. Some days it can be good and some days downright bad. I've been here several times over the past few years and more times than not I've left empty handed but a few times I've left with really beautiful girls that are on Platynum.

It's one of those places you can try your luck at and if you don't see anything good, you just leave. CaptainNemo's experience is EXACTLY why I don't session incall at any of these places. I doubt most change the sheets and pillow covers after each session. You way they can have that many sets of sheet on hand. No thanks. I'll sleep in my own bed with them.

[Daddy Rulz]

Just a quicky (appropriate for this board),

Patricia:

Small, dark, interesting face, the only thing bigger than the mass of curls on her head is the bubble ass about 5 inches below her hair. She had the biggest, firm ass I have ever seen in my life.

Session started with DFK, then she undressed me and hung my brand new suit, it´s really nice got it at the shop at the triangle on the corner of Suip. and Paraguay for 600 pesos, including the suit, shoes, shirt, belt and socks. Pardon me I digress, godamn A.D.D. She undressed me and started with some serious deep BBBJ to my pubic bone. I let her go on for awhile until I was ready to go after that bootie doggie style.

Slipped on MY OWN condom and spun her around and got started. Doggie, her on top, and mish for 20 or so when I realized it wasn´t gonna happen. The chicas at 921 took a lot out of me. Stopped and fooled around for awhile more oral a bit of DATY (and the Oscar for the best simulated orgasm goes to Patricia) then anal was offered. Actually I told her she had one of the hardest asses I had ever seen and then she offered anal for 50ar more. I didn´t think I had a pop left in me so I passed but on the next trip no doubt.

I think I was just burning the last of the Cealis out of me because while I had some serious wood I just wasn´t ablt to hit the high note.

I intend to see her again on my next trip.

Notes

4:00 am
5 chicks availabe,
3 doable IMHO
price remains the same 100ar for an hour 20ar more for BBBJ. The receptionista remains the hottest chica in the joint.
Friendly GFE the no pop was NOT due to a lack of effort from her rather a lack of seminal fluid in me.

A lot has been written about this place, for me it remains one of the best "bang for your buck" places in the city IMHO but YMMV.

Time for bed, I´ll probably do the spinner at 921 on my way out of town tomorrow and I´ll see you guys in 6 weeks.

Happy Hunting

[Doc Bill]

I just pasted below the section of my last report pertinent to this section. Wow, I was surprised to hear how much YMMV´s at this place, and even with the same girl. What can I say, it was good by me, maybe won´t be next time.


Today I went to Santa Fe 1707. I guess YMMV but I left wondering why that place has been controversial here. I was treated very well and left very happy. There were five girls, all 6-8´s. I chose a blond named Barbara, which turned out to be a great choice. She was very enthusiastic, DFK and uncovered bj without having to ask for it, overall just a great experience. I took the half hour for 60 pesos. One can also do 45 minutes for 80 or one hour for 100. It´s on the third floor, as the woman on the fifth floor, clearly having been annoyed many times by guys like me stumbling in, curtly directed me.

[lotsafun]

Barbara at 1707 $100P/hr

The four girls all looked doable, but Barbara was the prettiest and she gave me a kiss on the lips instead of the cheek during introduction. I chose Barbara and I am very happy that I did. She´s a slim Uruguayan with small breasts. When she took off her bra she said 85 cemtimeters, chiquito! But as it turned out the session was so good I didn´t mind at all.

At first, she wanted to put on the cover for CBJ, but I asked if there was an option in my broken Spanish for BBBJ and she said yes for $20P. It turned out at the end she didn´t want the 20P, but I gave it to her anyway, as I had an exceptionally good time, as good as the best on the vacation.

She was lively, charming, and put out 100% even when the second round took a long time to cum to conclusion, a real trooper, so to speak. DFK started out slow kisses, but she warmed up to DFK in a tongue battle.

A definite repeat with this lady

LAGNAF

[Phish]

Posting Fresh on 1707, Don´t know if they are closed due to Colombus day.

YES, I am finally here in BA -- Thank GOD.

I walked up tpo 1707 and rang the bell a number of times however no one opened the door. I tried around 6:00 later around 7:30.

I also saw another dude ring the bell and wait few minutes but no answer maybe they have a day off.

Does anyone know their hr of operation.

Its the closest to my apartment so thought I will start right away even before unpacking.

[Stormy]

1707 was closed on Columbus Day.

Stormy

[Stormy]

My friend, the highly regarded Jessica of 1707 has asked me to inform my friends that she and Celeste, also of 1707 have decided to set up their own operation in an apartment in Sarmiento.

The address is: Sarmiento 1587, Sarmiento and Montevideo.
Second floor, apartment 10. Telephone 4374-1272.

Photos are available on Sensualbaires.com. Jessica now goes by Amanda and Celeste as Cele.

Pricing is similar to 1707. 60 p. for 30 minutes, 80 p for 45,
100 for an hour. Take out is available for an hour at the same price plus taxi.

I do not know Celeste, but have seen Amanda (Jessica) many times. She is a very sweet, focused sensualist whom I recommend without hesitation.

Stormy

[Phish]

Thank you for the update, I would definitly try and check out the place either tomorrow or the day after. Today I have an appointment set up using Roxana so hopefully that should do it for today.

Also Thanx for the heads up on the other place, Oh man so little time so many opportunities here in BA -- Damn

[Woof Woof]

Stormy,

Thanks for the info. I'll have to update my address book. I'm especially happy for Celeste. I've seen both Jessica and Celeste and the shorter one of the two was head and shoulders above everyone else in terms of attitude and service. For me, Celeste was da bomb and not to be missed!

WW

[Phish]

Before I left BA I made it a point to visit the apartment and did that during mid day around 3:00 p.m. There were 4 chicks didn't bother to remember the names.

I picked Paola as she seems to be the only one who kissed be on the lips. She was very GF and provided 2 rounds. I was so damn tired that she sucked the second drop out of me.

At first she said that whe would not do BBBJ, said that she wanted 50 pesos more I counter offered with 20 pesos, she said no 30. I stuck to twenty and she finally did it for 20 but I felt a little guilty and was very happy with her service so I offer her the 50 pesos.

It was 100 for the hr + 50. Overall a good experience. I did want to go there again but as my stay was very short only a week i BA and so much fish to fry I could not visit again.

[Knuckhead]

On a recent Saturday afternoon, soon after arriving from the airport and checking into his hotel, Knuckhead hit the streets of this fine city. Before long, he was standing in front of this venerable institution with his finger on the 3rd floor buzzer. To his disappointment, it wasn't his beloved Soledad who greeted him at the door; he would have to contend with Cecilia. The hour option for AR$100 was chosen.

Five chicas were presented, with Paola being the first in line. She was not the prettiest one, but gave me excellent vibes as she immediately jumped and kissed me on the lips. As for remebering the names of the chicas, I again resorted to my patented Knuckhead method (http://www.wsgforum.com/vforum/showthread.php?p=168587#post168587), which meant that since Paola was the first one presented all other names went into one ear and came out of the other!

My gut feeling was confirmed when Paola joined me in the room. She is a smallish (5'3'') girl with black hair and brown eyes and a very beautiful smile. She kissed liberally, but I can not tell you about the BJ. Not being a BJ connoisseur I ended up in the missionary position before I even had a chance to think about a CBJ Vs. a BBBJ. She had good muscle control and seemed to be enjoying herself along with me. Many positions were tried and I finally delivered my trans-continentally carried "load" to her in the doggie position. Ah....the joys of the first pop after leaving the Sex prison.

We cleaned up, and I realized I would have to leave in order not to be late for my first "official" appointment of the day, Cary. I gave Paola AR$20 and hussled back to my hotel for more serious work.

Knuckhead

[Dboy]

Went to 1707 on the afternoon of Thanksgiving, before the dinner. I was with another monger.

5 girls were presented. My friend chose Sol, a blond, I chose Paola because of the kiss on the lips. I almost chose Ana Paola, who I was with a year ago and liked. We chose 45 min for 80P.

The kiss was an indication of a great makeout session. She was very fun and her eyes sparkled. Boobs are small but perky. She's 21, with no young ones.

She asked if I wanted more kisses, without a condom. I thought for 1/4 second and said yes. She said it required a propina. I suggested 20P based on what I had read here. She said that's a small propina. I agreed and then she agreed and performed beautifully.

My friend didn't enjoy Sol. She claimed everything hurt, seemed tired and complained about having lots of client. It was 4 pm, they work 9 or 10 am til 8 pm. My friend commented that since she was the only blond, she may have a tiring day. Anyway, he wouldn't reccomend Sol.

[The Truth]

I had a nice session yesterday with Kathy (I THINK) who took tonsil shots like a trooper back at my apartment (I NEVER do them onsite if I can avoid it and there is no extra charge for take out at 1707). I was just reviewing the board before going back over there (after Captain Dave decided to TOFTT and try the most upscale private apartment ever heard of in this town. 232P for the hour but I declined)! Yes the rooms are GREAT but this is quite steep for chicas (we were shown 5) that were not any different than elsewhere IMHO.

[The Truth]

Funny but Barbara is still there. In fact I would have taken her but for Jackson's post. I had good results all three times I took girls from 1707, but perhaps my more modest manhood had something to do wit it (bring Hung is not ALWAYS an advantage!).

[L Duke]

Visited Santa Fe 1707 on my recent trip. Out of the 6 girls presented, I chose a young woman by the name of Luciana, a very cute brunette.

Hour was $100 pesos and for BBBJ a small tip. Luciana said she was 28, which was suprising, since most girls say they are 22 or such. She had only been working there for 10 days. Prior to this she was a bartender in a normal bar in Palermo. She was sweat and we had good chemistry. Maybe because of this she let me finish in her mouth. YMMV! I gave her a $40 peso tip for the BBBJ and for allowing me to finish in her mouth.

I wish now that I'd visited this place more on my trip.

[The Truth]

Never had a Santa Fe chica refuse BBBJ despite not asking up front (as I should have). I thought this place offered most reliable action in town.

[Daddy Rulz]

One girl, named Gabi just refused. Propina offered and still refused. Perhaps a bigger propina would have done something but I refuse to contribute to the run up of prices. I understand they want 30 pesos for a BBBJ now, I know it's not much to us but if unchecked it will continue until it is a lot to us.

[Chica Seeker]

I checked out the night shift at this place Tuesday of this week after a couple of memorable visits last year. I had been to the Jazz Club earlier and although it was packed there was not a single chica that appealed to me. Across the street at Cutty Sark it was more of the same with many average or below average chicas and only 3 customers in the place.

There were only 3 girls available at 1707 Santa Fe and I had no trouble in picking a dyed redhead who goes by the name of Analia I believe. She is attractive, late 20´s or early 30´s, medium height, with a very nice body, although she is no longer a hard body. She has some navel jewellry and a non descript tattoo beside it. She is a very passionate chica who loves DFK and is very responsive. Covered BJ is standard fare. I never offered a propina to remove the condom for the BJ as it is not a big deal for me. She is a take charge kind of Chica and I let her do her thing. She loves all positions and I accepted her offer of greek for an extra $50 Ar. We were both pretty worn out when the hour was up.

I have no hesitation in recommending her to others who wish to visit this apartment.

[One Tree Hill]

I cant believe I did it. Went there today with RickSeven and there were 6 girls on the menu. 120p hr/75 half..propina for bbbj. After the sixth arrived, I was not quite sure who was who anymore, The girl I wanted was a small dark haired girl who seemed quite pleasant. Some how I thought her name was Barbara. So when I made my selction and the girl came to the room, it was Barbara the Uruguyan girl that Jackson had his run in with. BUT -- I only figured this out afterwards. My second mistake was not sending her back and asking for the one I wanted.

At first everything went ok. A massage for 5 minutes, followed by me massaging her. She did seem a bit "at arms length" like she was protecting the family fortune somewhere on her body, but so far ok. I then went down on her and got an immediate response. She enjoyed it and became really wet. However she kept her legs closed as tight as possible to limit my access. I fucking hate this! Well after a few minutes she began to get off.
Finally pullinh away like I had just inserted an anchovie in her pussy.

According to her she had come and was now muy sensitivo - bad news. For the next 45 minutes of my hour her pussy was effectively off limits. She then started the CBJ and I asked for BBBJ, she said propina. I told her if it was good yes a propina was ok. So, I like my BBBJ to come in the form of 69 - NO WAY!! She doesnt like, her pussy is too sensitive. No mas eating for me. Ok then, suck me while I play with your ass/pussy etc...nope..nada.

At this point the nice gentle southern guy became pretty pissed off (just ask the Union guys at Ft Sumter about that). I told her I was the customer and I was tired of hearing no...after 5 minutes of our arguing and her trying to suck a dead dick back to life, I pushed her off and got dressed. I topld her I wanted to pay for only 30 minutes since that was what I got. Of course she was not going for that.

In the reception room, I had it out with the fake blonde madam..forget her name. I told about my experience and I would pay for 30 minutes even if it was "malo". Nope nada...ok...even a 20 pesos refund would suffice as a token of a gesture. Nope nada...

I then told her that A) I was not coming back B) I would tell all my friends
C) I would post it on the internet.

REQUEST: When you guys go there (and you will) mention that you have heard about problems from reliable friends. Tell the reception that you are concerned. Tell her that you do not want BARBARA under any circumstance. Tell them that you intend to report your experience to others, good and bad.

SUMMARY: This apt has some real good looking girls. The service for most guys seems to be very good. However, if there is a problem do not expect ANY resolution. They seem to be raising prices very much and almost anything other than standard sanitized sex requires a tip. I fear that Success has gone to their heads and they really dont care and will milk as much money as possible out of you.

BUT.....if we make it understood that we are aware of issues..maybe the next guy will get some satisfaction out of poor service. Its really up to us to determine our fate.

[Exon123]

What really concerns me is the pricing

One hour should be $100 peso's, not $120

1/2 hour was $60 peso's, now your being quoted $75

We've all had bad dates from time to time, thats understandable, but fuck this inflation

[Daddy Rulz]

When all of us are down there, swing buy 1707 and go through the whole line up and then pick a girl and when they hit you with the price say no. Offer 100/60 and if they don't agree walk out. It's up to us to hold the line, everytime we pay inflated prices, prices get further inflated. Even at the Mansion things are going up. Most of those girls are 200 pesos an hour, plus the taxi, plus the fee for Roxanne or Silvina. So your looking at 260 pesos for an hour, almost Madaho prices. Last time I was at Madaho's I took a girl out of there for 250, plus 30 for my drink and 40 for her's. Total of 320 for several hours with a drop dead honey.

I believe in free enterprise and am a capitalist at heart but we, not they, set the price by paying it.

[Stormy]

Last week when I went to 1707 the price was 100 for the hour and 30 p more if you wanted bbbj. That has been the price structure for me for the past 18 months there. (Anal was a whole other story, no pun intended. ) I was shocked to hear of OTH's experience. Maybe they were quoting me 100 because I have been going there so long, both having girls there and take out, I don't know. Barbara was certainly a mistake, as she has had very negative reviews as well as some positive ones. At 120 per hour plus 30 they would not be on my list again, although they have some outstanding people, as well as totally lunatic management.

[Sportsman]

I was at Sante Fe 1707 exactly a week ago on Saturday the cost was 100 pesos/hour. The short hostess with curly blonde hair was saying something about she works for tip. I played dumb and could not understand what she was saying. Then she said ok and left the room.

I considered all six girls that I saw were doable, at least as far as looks. I picked Alehandra with dirty blonde hair, beautiful face, not a hard body but has a nice slim built and tanned skin. Asked for extra 50 pesos for BBBJ but I declined. I was surprised she actually was receptive to kissing with tongue action. Anywhere else in the world I would consider it an above average experience. But with the high standards I came to realize BA mongers expect I would rate it an ok experience. I was done in 30 minutes and did really want to stick around because the chemitry wasn't there.

When I left the hostess asked me was everything alright and if I was happy with the service. I was inquiring her about their hours of business because I was considering returning on Monday. She didn’t saying anything about the tip again either.

[One Tree Hill]

I specifically asked if the price was not 100p. She said the prices went up and quoted 120p/75p. Said the 45 minute rate is no longer available. Only half hour or whole hour. I am 100 percent certain of what she told me.

[Daddy Rulz]

I've read your posts for quite some time now and any fool can you see you know what your doing.

The only point I wanted to make is that we control prices by paying them. If there was scarcity in the market place (we know there is not in BsAs) then rising prices are acceptable. What I think has been happening in BsAs since the crisis is the supply is looking for the pain point of the consumer. You and I both know that the difference between 100 pesos and 120 pesos is negligable to a Euro or Dollar earner. However if unchecked it will become more and more until pain is reached. If you remember El Jefe's original post about Madaho's His emplored us not to pay more than 150 pesos, now 300 has become the standard price and a lot of chicas are trying to get 400. This in a country where the minimum monthly wage is around 500 pesos per month.

I really don't mean to start off the "He paid way too much money" debate because I don't think you did, and if I did it's none of my damn business how you spend your money. A year or so ago, Dickhead and Saint got into all of this. My feeling then and my felling now is you are a grown man and are free to spend what you wish on whatever you wish to spend it on.

My point has always been that with patience and the willingness to say no, you will find what you want for the price you want to pay. I for one refuse to pay more simply because others do and pass. I've never spent a night alone in this beautiful city unless I had practiced, as Brother Exon says, "poor sperm management" and I doubt I ever will unless I choose to. I've always been able to find what I want, for the price I want to pay just by playing the numbers.

All that said, I appreciate your posts and hope your having a blast and I'm mighty pissed off that you are there and I am not.

[Judd]

Had another 2 sessions with this chica. She works late night only. Just has an unnaturally huge ass for such a petite girl. Both times, I went to Santa Fe and brought her back to my apartment. There's no difference in price and it allows the chica to get out of the place for awhile. I'm not going to go into all the sordid details. Well maybe just a couple. She likes to titty titty bang bang and allowed digits in the no no orifice. Maybe she's opening up to me :^) since we've had a couple of sessions together. Who knows, who cares, it was a fun couple of nights with her.

Here's a couple of Brisa approved Pics.

Late,

Judd

[Exon123]

Again Im quite concerned about pricing.

My first to B.A. experience was just before the devaulation in Oct. of 2001. the airlines were giving away seats and it was $580 dollars round trip from my home.

Back then it was about $500 dollars a day to have a good time. One peso was equal to one dollar. So when you bought the $12 peso steak at El Parrillion in Recoleta you were really paying $12 US dollars.

After the devaluation I returned and it was hard to spend $150. dollars a day and have the time of your life. The $12 peso steak at El Parrillion was now costing a little over $4 US dollars

Having just returned two weeks ago I find that I was struggling to keep my budget under $200 dollars a day. The $12 peso steak was now costing $28 peso's. The exchange rate was about the same so I was now paying about $10 US dollars for the same steak I was buying for $4 dollars two years earlier.

In reading the Buenos Aires Harold last month I found that the Argentine government was admitting to a rate of inflation of 1.2% per month for January & Febuary or something like 15% a yearly basis. In fact I believe the rate of inflation is much higher, maybe something in the order of 20% to 25%.

My point too all of this brother Mongers is I don't believe we have much more time until Buenos Aires has priced it self out of the market. Our girls are working for a living and they have to raise their prices accordingly to the economy they live in. This inflation is all accross the board, Hotels, Taxi's, Food, Beer everything is substantially up in price.

Buenos Aires won't be there as we have come to know it in two years.

Exon

[Stowe]

I contend that chica prices go up because so many gringos (of which I am one) refuse to negotiate because realitive to costs in the US and Europe are still cheap. Additionally, mongers refuse to look down the road to the time when they're lack of negotiation and walking away from a few chicas, who quote outrageous prices, will drive prices sky-high. Buenos Aires will be ruined for everyone by these mongers!!!

Read the Costa Rica posts. That place is ruined because of all the Americans who have gone there and paid outrageous prices and now the chicas expect it.

One should remember to define what an reasonable/outrageous price is by the economy they are VACATIONING in and NOT the enconomy they LIVE in.

Some people plain fools and idiots. That is what the chicas exploit.


Stowe

[Jaimito Cartero]

Perhaps Dickhead needs to give a "ABC's of Mongering Economically". I think it helps to not fall in love with one girl you have to have. When the Chica Network finds one dumb gringo who *does* pay $300 dollars for a couple of hours, then they all want to get it.

[Stowe]

You are right Jaimito. It's just that too many guys use the wrong head to think when dealing with chicas. Each vacation I have walked away from at least 2 super hot chicas because they quoted 200-300 pesos. If more of us did this, Madahos and Black and all the over-priced Recoleta clubs would have to change their business practice.

Forget the $300 US, I think 300 pesos is outrageous. In the states where the cost of living is perhaps five times (??) more expensive, California escorts, from the local websites, go for about $250-$350 (exclusive of the 'premium' chicas). Take 300 divided by 5 and you get $60 or $175 pesos. That would be the maximum range, yet too often I read guys posting how they're paying 300 pesos for every chica and don't give it a thought.

I sure hope Buenos Aires doesn't become like Costa Rica.

Stowe

[Jaimito Cartero]

You are right Jaimito. It's just that too many guys use the wrong head to think when dealing with chicas. Each vacation I have walked away from at least 2 super hot chicas because they quoted 200-300 pesos. If more of us did this, Madahos and Black and all the over-priced Recoleta clubs would have to change their business practice.My first trip to BA I paid $100 US for a TLN with an average looking chica (but superb service). She brought along her friend for 100 pesos more, I think. This is the most I've paid in Argentina. Most are in the 80-150 peso range. I'm don't have the drive of Exon or the Mouse, so if I go a few days without, it's no big deal.

I do a lot of buying and selling in my business and I can tell 90% of the time if someone really wants to buy (or sell). If I have lattiude on a discount I'll only give it if I think they won't buy otherwise. The girls are pretty expert at this and can certainly read most guys.

For the value added monger, guys who bring gifts, cook great meals, or practice their ABC's on the chicas, it will make them much more willing to go for less.

[Elmatad0r]

I paid a little visit a couple nights ago to Santa Fe 1707. I was greeted at the door by the madame, who was very friendly. After giving me the generals on how business is conducted at the apartment (it was my first time!) I proceed to enjoy the runaway show. I was lokking to hook up with Brisa but I was informed that she no longer work at that location; therefore I picked Candela. Candela is a tall blond chica, nice attitude, incredible medium size breast. She performed a great service with a fun attitude. I told her about the this forum and she was very aware of it and said that she wouldn't mind to be recommended here.

[Dickhead]

Shut the fuck up about the forum. What the fuck is the matter with you? You just came into town on a load of turnips, right? Jesus Fucking Christ.

[Starfe]

What did I do? You always pick on me for some reason? I hold you in the highest regard. I am so dam proud of you for completing " 100 ". You have set the standard for others to follow. When they talk about a " A GIFT FROM GOD " it has you're name written all over it.

Bless you.

Starfe

[Hunt99]

Second, if you are compelled to visit, please make a point of telling the Madam that you don’t want “Barbara” because you heard from a website about the time she stopped a session because the customer was “too big”, and you’re concerned that you’ll have the same problem.

That was from the first post in this thread.

If Jackson has no problem with mentioning the website, neither do I.

[Stowe]

Correct me if I am wrong. Starfe but I think DH was telling Elmatad0r to shut the fuck up for being so stupid as to mention this forum to ANY chica or madam.

It's amazing how low some guy's IQ's seem to be. I have to believe even the little head should have a higher IQ.

Telling the chicas about this forum will only make it harder for us mongers. And the chicas are smart enough to never admit they don't know about something, even if they haven't. The chica network will know everything with these guys opening their big mouths. There is always someone who has to be the big man and try to impress the chicas by mentioning the forum and even the pix we post.


Stowe

[Hunt99]

Correct me if I am wrong. Starfe but I think DH was telling Elmatad0r to shut the fuck up for being so stupid as to mention this forum to ANY chica or madam.

It's amazing how low some guy's IQ's seem to be. I have to believe even the little head should have a higher IQ.

Telling the chicas about this forum will only make it harder for us mongers. And the chicas are smart enough to never admit they don't know about something, even if they haven't. The chica network will know everything with these guys opening their big mouths. There is always someone who has to be the big man and try to impress the chicas by mentioning the forum and even the pix we post.


Stowe

So Jackson has a low IQ?

Or is he just stupid?

(See the original post in this thread.)

[Stowe]

If you will re-read my post it SPECIFICALLY referenced Starfe and Elmatad0r. Where in my post did I even mention Jackson.

Please re-read it and post exactly where I mentioned Jackson or any other person other than the 2 above.

The reference to low iq people was obviously in reference to mongers who mention the forum to chicas and has Jackson EVER done that??

Amazing how some brains move from the logicial flow of the topic referenced in the subject matter, to some tangent!!

Stowe

[Stowe]

Hunt99,

Oh, and by the way. I did not realize that you were assigned as Jackson's Protectorate, anyway. If this is true, it probably would have been a good idea to post that you were now the representative and Protectorate of him (and any others?) so we on the forum would be better informed. Thanks..


Suerte,
Stowe

[Starfe]

Stowe,

You actually believed my post from left field .That I find even more amazing.

"So Jackson has a low IQ?" Now that is a really rude comment by you.
Shame on you Stowe for even bringing Jackson's name into it. This wonderful man has gone out of his way for all of us.

Starfe

[Hunt99]

Starfe, I think we have discovered at least one more monger with a low IQ, don't you agree?

[Starfe]

Hunt99,

Stowe missed the humor in my post. " A GIFT FROM GOD "

Or I have NO sense of humor.

Starfe

[Daddy Rulz]

Jacksons original post in this forum was in regards to a specific incident. As has been discussed here over and over, no good will come from mentioning "our thing" to the chicas we adore.

Bad mojo brothers, very bad mojo.

[Hunt99]

Daddy, do you think the girls are that dumb that they don't know about boards like this?

Local monger boards (en Castellano) are ten times as popular as this one (or more). Do you really think that the Portenos are the only ones who read them?

Existence of such websites as this can be a godsend for the industry, with girls knowing that dodgy practices are exposed for their target clientele. A perfect example is Captain 69, a board about London escorting. That board even has mass participation by the chicas themselves.

The only thing that's keeping smart Portena chicas from reading this board is lack of fluency in English. "Keeping the big secret to ourselves" won't work unless the board is password-protected.

[Starfe]

Dickhead is talking out of his ass which I kinda like. Its great having him back and that alone is cause for celebration.

But you are dead right about the girls reading the boards or having friends translate for them. I still look forward to a Jackson paysite one day.

starfe

[Elmatad0r]

I didn't realize that Dickhead was referring to me. For all I care, Dickhead can go and [Deleted by Admin]. I haven't disrespect anyone in this forum but I don't back off at anyone.

What that [Deleted by Admin] thinks? That this forum is a top secret? Everyone knows about it you [Deleted by Admin]! (see I can also curse the fuck at you if I choose to)

Those who want respect give respect don't forget that

El Matador

No Fear!

EDITOR's NOTE: Posting of this report was delayed pending removal of Personal Attacks in the text. To avoid delays in future reports, please do not post Personal Attacks in the Forum. Thanks!

[Stowe]

Actually, Starfe I never saw nor was responding to your post. I was responding to Hunt99's non-sequitur post regarding something I posted. I gues I will have to go back and look for your post.

Nah, I've moved on. Later.

As for having a sense of humor. I just purchased one last week and have the rights to use it anytime I hear, see or read something funny. I didn't in Hunt99's post.


Suerte,
Stowe

[Stowe]

Sounds like justification when someone says. 'Others are doing it too, so why can't I?' Sounds like when my kid was 6 years old. Now I see grown men doing it.

NOW THAT'S FUNNY!!!!


Suerte,

Bruce

[Judd]

There’s no reason for any chica in any circumstance to be directed to read this board. If you must discuss with a chica about prior service good or bad, just say one of your friends had a good, bad, or indifferent experience without ever bringing up the notion of the web.

I don't see how chicas can stumble upon this board which is written in ENGLISH. In the past 5 years of mongering, I can count the number of chicas on one hand whom I’ve met that can speak passable English, not including Roxana or Silvina. Here's another little known fact, these girls can get dick whenever they want it. After working a 12 hour shift at a club or boliche, they’re not surfing the net to improve their cock sucking skills or reading their latest Penthouse Review by Judd. They’re talking with their mom or their gay pal Ramon, taking care of their kids, shopping for clothes, and countless other things most guys don’t give a shit about but they do. We’re the horny ones who are devising secret societies to bang puss a thousand miles away. Let’s work to keep it that way.

Late,

Judd

P.S. I'm no angel. Here's proof. BBBJ anyone?

[Hunt99]

I don't see how chicas can stumble upon this board which is written in ENGLISH. In the past 5 years of mongering, I can count the number of chicas on one hand whom I’ve met that can speak passable English, not including Roxana or Silvina. Here's another little known fact, these girls can get dick whenever they want it. After working a 12 hour shift at a club or boliche, they’re not surfing the net to improve their cock sucking skills or reading their latest Penthouse Review by Judd.

Exactly correct, all of it. Which is why I think it humorous, the constant admonitions to "DON'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT OUR BOARD!"

It makes no difference whatsoever.

In fact, on my next trip away from Sex Prison, I look forward to posting some pictures of naked chicas looking at this website on my laptop. The mongering world will surely collapse soon thereafter. Chicas will doubtless start charging Five Hundred Dollars for a hand job.

And it all will be because of that silly Hunt99 spilling the beans on our big, dark, imprtant secret. :)

[Barcpc]

There’s no reason.....
Judd

P.S. I'm no angel. Here's proof. BBBJ anyone?


Hey Judd (Seems like a song I know....) : Who is the girl in the pictures??

[Jaimito Cartero]

Although many of the chicas are aware of the forum, I see no upside in telling them. I always have a friend who told me about them, or say that I´ve been before, but seen someone else.

Since Barbara still works there, it seems that complaining doesn´t do much at 1707, anyway.

Hey, good cussing and getting riled up everyone. This board is much too sedate. :)

[One Tree Hill]

I am afraid you must be eliminated.

My Russian friends will come visit you very soon! We can not allow the the secret to escpape!

[Stowe]

Jaimito,

You said it perfectly-what is the upside to telling them? If there is no upside why do it??

Perhaps the only upside is some guys think they can impress the chicas somehow. Play the big man.

Or perhaps their negotiation skills are so bad they have to say 'I read on this forum that other guys are paying you this so why are you charging me more'.

Suerte,
Stowe

[Judd]

BarcPc,

She's a chica I pulled out of Madaho's during their "Golden Era" about 2 years ago. This was before the mandatory gringo pricing bullshit went down. She wanted 200p, I countered with 150p and started to walk. She agreed and we had one helluva session. She wore me out! Unfortunately, she doesn't work at the club anymore. It's too bad Madaho's has took a turn for the worst cause there was so many excellent providers working a few years back.

Late,

Judd

[Judd]

Since were on the 1707 Santa Fe thread, I forgot to mention a good session I had with a chica a few months back. Her name escapes me, but she's tanned skin thin chica from Spain. She works during the day, and sports autumn colored hair. Her distinctive mark is a fairly large tatoo on her thigh plus one around her belly. She's a really cool chick and enthusiastic provider. I got her number cause she wanted to go dancing. I never hooked up with her outside the apartment since I had to leave BA the following day.

Anyone know this girl and have a similar experience?

[Hunt99]

Jaimito,

You said it perfectly-what is the upside to telling them? If there is no upside why do it??

Perhaps the only upside is some guys think they can impress the chicas somehow. Play the big man.

Or perhaps their negotiation skills are so bad they have to say 'I read on this forum that other guys are paying you this so why are you charging me more'.

Suerte,
Stowe

Customer service is one reason. If girls/apartments/clubs know substandard service will be rewarded with negative reviews for all the world to see, they may well upgrade their performance. It works this way in places other than Buenos Aires.

In fact, that's what Jackson was alking about in the very first post in this thread, now, wasn't it?

[Daddy Rulz]

And is probably a Republican as well.

Jax said

"Second, if you are compelled to visit, please make a point of telling the Madam that you don’t want “Barbara” because you heard from a website about the time she stopped a session because the customer was “too big”, and you’re concerned that you’ll have the same problem."

Heard "FROM A WEBSITE" not "lets trot on down to the cyber so I can show you the photos of yourself with some fat guys tool stuffed in your mouth that your Mom, Dad, Grandma, Grandpa, Cousin, Brother, Sister, next door neighbor basicly anybody in the freaking world can look at. Oh yes, not to mention the associated review of how pretty you looked while the fat guy sprayed his spoog on your face."

Contrarian opinions are important and I believe in healthy debate but sometimes majority opinion is the majority because it's the wiser of the two choices. Make referance to a website, say you did some research and have no intention of paying more than you know others have paid, but no good can come from directing the LCN to this site.

mis dos centavos

[Elmatad0r]

I tried to post a reply to Dickhead regarding his opinion about my posting. Wisely that posting was censored by the Admin (I admit it, it was a very offensive one)

When I talked to Candela I did not gave her any specifics regarding the forum, I actually told her that people share information about good experiences therefore; we (as educated costumers) make our selections of chicas based in part on that information.

Sometime is good when service providers know about consumer's groups like this. The problem with the chicas is when there are pics involved, that might damage their anonimity. Luckily this was not the case since I didn't take any pics.

The problem between fellow mongers at this forum is when somebody takes the liberty to openly call you F***NG this or F***NG That. I treat everyone with respect and I do not let anybody to treat me any different. I tried to post an adecquate response to the Flaming posting that dickhead directed at me. Since it was not published I sent him a PM to clearly stand my posicion. I'm an easy going person but I aint no coward who let anyone to push me around.

It's good that we sometimes disagree, but having a disagreement with people does not gives you the right to treat anyone like trash.

ELMATADOR

[Dickhead]

Anyone who reads my post can see that I did not call this guy a fucking anything, which is why his post got censored whereas mine did not. Now Hunt99, whatever his politics may be, is a thoughtful and intelligent poster for the most part; I just don't agree with him here and side with the contingent who fail to see the upside of mentioning the forum. I believe Hunt's point about customer service improvement might be logically true, but believe he is overestimating the role of logic in Latin society. I also believe he is using Jackson's initial post out of context. Can we see the distinction between talking in abstract terms about a website vs. specifically talking about our website?

Now let's get back to talking about pussy. Speaking of pussy and of 1707, Jesica and Cele who used to work at 1707, and then left to open their own apartment, which unfortunately was not successful, are both working at Madaho's. Cele is using the name Bahía (of course her real name is something else entirely). I forget what name Jessie is using (her name ain't Jesica either, of course). Cele thinks the two-tiered pricing for foreigners really sucks, and gives the perspective that she, a Paraguaya, is a foreigner here too. Cele is a very intelligent young lady who thinks people should be treated the same no matter where they came from, and I agree.

Also, she is one of the best fucks I have ever had. BTW both these gals told me that one of the reasons they left 1707 was because they are non-smokers and couldn't stand being cooped up with the other gals who mostly all smoked.

[The Truth]

Gotta agre with Dickhead on that point. While he may have been better off stating his opinion somewhat more diplomatically, his logic is sound. The more chicas learn about the board the more their repeat clients will feel compelled to say nice things (even exagerate!). To maintain objectivity of reporting, it is important the members feel they can speak their honest opinions without fear of recrimination.

And I think Jackson was still pissed at 1707 management about the Barbara incident when he posted that suggestion about telling them about the board. I do NOT see him encouraging punters to tell the chicas about this board in ANY other posting so suggesting that comment equals endorsement by Jackson is a stretch. But Jackson can obviously chime in with his specific feelings on this point (and I encourage him to do so).

[Ramprat]

New door at Sante Fe. Been there a few times. And these time new door on the Building and No anwer to the door bell, Local guys is Sante fe for good or bad gone. I have good times there and the sames store as Jackson too.

[Young & Restless]

New door at Sante Fe. Been there a few times. And these time new door on the Building and No anwer to the door bell, Local guys is Sante fe for good or bad gone. I have good times there and the sames store as Jackson too.

I don’t know why they didn’t answer the door for you, but I just spoke with Silvia and they are still open for business as usual. While I was on the phone with her, she confirmed their new prices for me: AP$ 100 for 45-minutes or AP$120 for an hour. I still think it's a good deal there.

Y & R

[EZE_Amante]

After I struck out at Suipacha 921 this afternoon, I hopped a cab to the old faithul. The madam looked pretty good in those tight little jeans, but she's not a real pretty girl. I was presented with 6 chicas and offered a drink. I chose Alejandra, she of the pretty face, blonde hair, and big titties. She is a little bit on the heavy side for my taste, but I was looking for DSL, and she has em. I got the room with a private bath and shower, which was a first for me. It took her almost the full hour, but she managed to coax the second helping of leche of the day. Nice technique, and switched from side saddle to straight on for the finish.

I would probably repeat for a BBBJ only. Sweet girl. 120p/hr +30 for BJ sin presertivo.

EZE :)

[Respectful]

Dropped by 1707 the other day.
Presented with 3 girls - Barbara, Sol and one more.
Chose Barbara, dirty blond from Uruguay with tatoo on her back.

I enjoyed it, she enjoyed it she told me. Ar$120 plus the 20 for BBBJ.

When checking back in here realized that it must have been the infamous Barabra that Jackson taled about. I am soooooooooo sorry, but then again I am very small so she could not have felt very much any way.

[Young & Restless]

I was fortunate enough to have two good experiences with Barbara. Her face is decent, but she has a sweet body though. I had to have a 2nd round with her before I left (She begged me to CIM!!!). I remember Sol. She had a pretty face and very nice tits, but she made no effort to be friendly or flirtatious during the 'meet & greet', plus she was kinda chubby.

Since EZE_Amante brought it up, has anyone ever made an attempt at Silvia? She's got a grill on her, but I'd say she’s doable...

Btw, not trying to be too particular, but it is Santa Fe not Sante Fe.

Regards,

Y & R

[Young & Restless]

Is Erika still at Santa Fe? I have not seen anyone report on her since I mentioned her. If she's still there, you don't know what you're missing. She is hot and I had a damn good session with her.

[Judd]

Someone was saying she doesn't work at 1707 anymore. I'm pretty sure I spotted her ASS on www.sensualbaires.com. Maybe she's working on her own now? Good for her. She might have the opportunity to make more dinero with less bang frequency. Here's a couple of pics off the site and two of my own to compare.

Late,

Judd

[Young & Restless]

I didn't see her in March. No way would I forget that body! DAMN!!!!

[MrK]

Hey Judd,

I've been a fan of your posts. Just wanted you to know that I asked Roxana to call Cindy and find out if she was Brisia. Sadly, she is not. Is Brisia still at 1707? I had a session with her a few years ago and I enjoyed it.

I am going to be in BA over Labor Day weekend and I'll check out 1707 for Brisia. If you have any info, pm me.

Thanks to Roxana for the info! She's the best.

[Judd]

Thanks for the words of encouragement Mrk. It's hard to disagree or second guess Roxanna. I mean, she has her finger on the pulse of these girls. The only thing I would mention is to find out who Roxanna talked too. Maybe it was Cindy's phone answering service with who talked with Roxanna? Unfortunately, I'm not in BA cuz I could tell her voice in a second. She has one of those raspy voices which is very distinguishable.

The only thing I am positive about is those pictures of Cindy from Sensualbaires. Com are Brisa. The big ass, the way her tits hang, her belly button, the fact that she's very petite, and the way she poses tell me it's Brisa. Now, whether or not she's trying to escape her past and denying the 1707 thing, I don't know. My guess is someone on the board will take her for a spin and post the results. In fact, I know a lurker who currently lives in BA and is quite familiar with Brisa. If your reading this post, do Mrk and I a favor. Help us solve this perplexing mystery?

Late,

Judd

[MrK]

I agree with you Judd. After checking out the pictures, comparing them to your pictures and trying to remember what she looks like, I gotta agree that Cindy looks like Brisia. Maybe I'll try Cindy when I go into BA. If anyone else has any info, please post or pm. Everyone likes different looks and I liked Brisia's butt, so I want to have another session with her when I go down to BA.

[David_33]

Well I talked to Cindy today on the phone and she has a raspy voice.

[Judd]

Thanks David! Did she quote you a rate? It's probably her, and doesn't want her previous "El Jefe" to know what she's up to. Again, I'm glad to hear she's doing it on her own terms.

Hey Mrk, I'm trying to see if I can get some time off, and hit BA during labor day week. Brisa will be a busy girl during that week!

Late,

Judd

[MrK]

Thank you Judd and David 33. I'm going to book a session with "Cindy" when I am down there during Labor Day Weekend. Hopefully our demands won't tire her out too much Judd!

Thanks again for the info!

[Dancesw/Chicas]

I just been informed that a personal favorite from SF1707 is not longer.

Around.

If anyone knows the whereabouts of ANALIA, please let me know.

Please.

DWC

[Ramprat]

I have found that if I ask to fell their tits. And try to kiss them on the mouth. If they do this and enjoy it you have a winner. And knowing they are going to have sex with you in 2 minutes if you pay. It is a surpise how many will not do these. It is a good little test. It saved me from Barbra.

[Daddy Rulz]

Into the data base.

[Dancesw/Chicas]

I found Analia! Unbelievable!, I bumped into her while walking by Santa Fe and Ayacucho! Only in Buenos Aires!

The bad news is that she is now working at Black's.

DWC

[Knuckhead]

I found Analia. The bad news is that she is now working at Black'.Yes, she surely hasn't been in the SF 1707 line up for a few months. What a pitty! I too have had the "pleasure" of her company. Sooner or later she was bound to figure out she could make more than 40% of the 100 Pesos she was getting at Santa Fe :( .

[Bigcat]

I would just have to say wow. I just went to 1707 and there were around 15 of the most beautiful girls that I have seen in awhile. I'm 24 years old and a college student at big ten school with over 45000 people and I have never seen this many good looking girls in one place. I don't know why it took me so long to get the balls to go here. I have been in Argentina about 2 1/2 months traveling and heard about this place a week or so ago when I finally got back in be. A. I wish I had heard about the apartment earlier since I went through a escort agency the other night and spent like 300 dollars for a toda la noche. Thank you all that have shared about this place it has saved me some money now to bad I fly back tomorrow. I'm going to try and go back later tonight and maybe twice tomorrow before I fly home. What stopped me from going here last night was that there was a security guy working the door inside I guess it is not that big of a deal but I didnt have the balls to walk in since I don't speak really any spanish.

[Bigcat]

Hey Judd,

You asked about that Chica with the tattoo from spain. I think her name was Katerina or something like that. She was a good time today not to bad of english either.

[Sportsman]

I would just have to say wow. I just went to 1707 and there were around 15 of the most beautiful girls that I have seen in awhile. I'm 24 years old and a college student at big ten school with over 45000 people and I have never seen this many good looking girls in one place. I don't know why it took me so long to get the balls to go here. I have been in Argentina about 2 1/2 months traveling and heard about this place a week or so ago when I finally got back in be. A. I wish I had heard about the apartment earlier since I went through a escort agency the other night and spent like 300 dollars for a toda la noche. Thank you all that have shared about this place it has saved me some money now to bad I fly back tomorrow. I'm going to try and go back later tonight and maybe twice tomorrow before I fly home. What stopped me from going here last night was that there was a security guy working the door inside I guess it is not that big of a deal but I didnt have the balls to walk in since I don't speak really any spanish.Don't worry about the security guard. He won't bother you at all. He is not there to keep mongers out. After the apartment buzzes you in, just walk right by his station and give him a friendly "Hola". You have to make up 2 ½ months of mongering you missed in two days. Good Luck.

[Judd]

Her name escapes me as well. I'm kinda surprised she's still there. For some reason, I remember her saying she was heading back to Spain. I do remember she was a very spirited lay. I'm planning a trip to BA in October. I was suppose to go out with her to the clubs one night, but my time was short. I have a feeling she's a pretty crazy chica, and would look forward to hooking up with her outside of work.

You probably learned more in a summer of mongering in AR than all your years at Penn State. Nice. Real nice.

Late,

Judd

[Out for Flesh]

Some 10 girls, some with nice body. Choose Paola because of nice lip kiss (and regular body & face) Regular performance - uninspired. AR$70 for 30 min. + AR$30 for BBBJ. Wouldn't repeat with her. Silvia (hostess) helpful & friendly. Place very wore down, bed horrible: had to make her doggy style with me standing on my feet. Could choose some girls to take out, but I would not repeat the bed either!

[Full Throttle]

After checking out Maipu 429 and Cordoba 1463 (or whatever) stopped by Santa Fe 1707.

Paula, Alexandra and another girl were working Saturday afternoon. The choice was between Paula and Alexandra, though, and Silvia was quick to recommend Paula, but very slow to recommend Alexandra. So, for a change, I took the good advice.

My experience was vastly superior to Out 4 Flesh. I found the experience terrific. The apartment was very clean, although a bit musty, but not in an uncharming sort of way.

After the mutual shower, she set up her little bag of tricks. The usual, crema, condom and lube. After a slow sensuous start, she went immediately for the condom. I stopped her, told her that condoms were muy bueno, and that we would eventually need it.

She responded to this very well, and the session went flawlessly. She was snuggly and GFE-ish more than a sex machine, which is nice at times. It took quite a time for the DATY climax, but it was genuine when it did occur.

The after-glow time was very nice, and we were getting hot again just as the door knock came. She offered another session, but I was running out of time and out of energy.

I definitely recommend her for those who enjoy a fairly mellow kind of session from time to time.

SP

[Sportsman]

South Points and Out for Flesh.

I believe there are two girls named Paola working at 1707. I had the pleasure of the petite moracha Paola with small pierced nose stud and a tattoo on her upper shoulder. I enjoyed my session with her. The second one as described by Member #3313 is a "taller girl with ample assets, dark but still blonde hair, and tanned skin". By any chance you guys had different Paola?

My first visit to 1707 was with Alexhandra, a slim dirty blonde with a pretty face. I rate that experience as average in this report.

Sportsman

[Full Throttle]

Mine was the tall Paola.

[Out for Flesh]

Mine was the tall Paola.Mine was probably the other Paola, then - although I do not recall neither the nose ring nor the tattoo, but I tend not to go for the tall girls. I am not tall myself, and I prefer to have the whole of the girl within reach:-)

[Sportsman]

During my session with the petite moracha Paola, I was fingering her cola while she was giving me BBBJ. She seemed to enjoy it. We were cuddling and talking a little bit when were done. I asked her does she like anal sex. Her reply was "si". I told her I wanted to hear she say "Quiero el sexo cola" – probably not a proper Spanish sentence. She was amused but nevertheless happy to oblige and said it. Now I don't know if it would be extra charge and how much - something to consider.

[Moore]

I would just have to say wow. I just went to 1707 and there were around 15 of the most beautiful girls that I have seen in awhile. I'm 24 years old and a college student at big ten school with over 45000 people and I have never seen this many good looking girls in one place. I don't know why it took me so long to get the balls to go here. I have been in Argentina about 2 1/2 months traveling and heard about this place a week or so ago when I finally got back in be. A. I wish I had heard about the apartment earlier since I went through a escort agency the other night and spent like 300 dollars for a toda la noche. Thank you all that have shared about this place it has saved me some money now to bad I fly back tomorrow. I'm going to try and go back later tonight and maybe twice tomorrow before I fly home. What stopped me from going here last night was that there was a security guy working the door inside I guess it is not that big of a deal but I didnt have the balls to walk in since I don't speak really any spanish.This must be a joke Big Cat. 1707 had its moments, but more hot babes in there than at a big ten campus. Get real. For 300 dollars that night I hope you nailed at least 20 chicas. You were here for 2-3 months?

[The Corn Hole]

Was at 1707 the last two nights. The first night there were only 3 girls working and the second there were only five. The guy who said the girls here were better looking than at big ten college must've left his contacts on the plane. I would rate nothing here higher than a 7 (Alexandra) and a notch below the average Termas girl you would find in Rio, but still higher than what I found in a few other Apartments I visited. The manager was very nice and personable (Gee, I wonder why) I sessioned 4 girls and the cost was 100 pesos per hour and you got a beer or whisky. All were willing to do BBBJ but wanted 20 - 30 pesos propina. Would not DFK and wanted 50 pesos propina for the ass, again all this is pretty much standard in the Rio Termas and I give Apartments overall a low grade but only because Rio has set the bar too high for me. I would say as far as apartment chicas go this is probably the greatest value in BA but my experience in this city is limited to only 5 days.

I missed my flight last night and am forced to stay here for one more day. And that is a damn shame. (sarcasm button off)

[Exon123]

Last Night I was in Cutty Sark looking for a certain Chica I'd spotted the night before.

She was not their, so I window shopped in the triangle a bit. Then thought I'd try 1707 Santa Fe the old standby for a quickie on my way home.

After getting out of the cab I was faced with a real problem. I have forgotten the apartment floor, the place takes up the whole floor so I wasn't worried about the number just the floor. It had been over a year since I'd been their.

Luckly the building super buzz'ed me in and held up three fingers, Mucho Gracis senior, and up I went.

The selection was not good, five girls, five's and six's, with one possible 6.5

I chose the six & a half, Silvana, an Argentine Chica with big tits.

Nice girl whom had been working their six weeks.

Pricing was $100 peso's per with an extra $20 for my BBBJ.

Frankly the service was average, the girl tried hard but lacked professional skills that an experienced Monger would demand.

So, was the girl nice, Yes, would I repete No.

As posted below Santa Fe 1707 is just not what it was a year ago.

Exon

[Damatrix]

Anyone know if Gabi still works here? Did she go someplace else? Pm

[Carpediem]

No, haven't seen anyone called Gaby there on Saturday.

The prices are as quoted by Exon.

Picked Paola, who was a reasonable even if not extremelly enthusiastic provider. Did her best to avoid facial to which she previously agreed. Oh well, at least I had a good lough seeing her trying to escape:)

Btw, the bathroom in that room was not very nice. And towells seem like from WWII. I'm not going there anymore just because of the facilities!

[Lunico]

Nati - Vanessa Williams ringer. I'm not kidding. Gorgeous. 140 the hour. Bbbj to die for. Also included a whiskey with ice, and I slipped her some ice for her fellatio, she didnt skip a beat. Awesome. Just awesome. Thanks to Member #3313 for taking me there. All the women there were 8's and above. Will repeat.

[Knuckhead]

For some reason this venerable institution had an exceptional line up yesterday. Having enjoyed an excellent lunch and a healthy "over"dose of wine, the two of us stumbled throught the rainy streets to reach this tried and true favorite. It didn't disappoint, as 8 completely doable chicas were presented to us in rapid succession.

After gathering our jaws from the floor, Member #3313 chose a flaquita porteña called Sol. She was dark-blonde, about 50 KG and 160 cm tall. She was quite pretty, and I was quite "tipsy". I did take note of the strange coincidence that Sexplorer's last partner- in-love from 3 hours earlier at Mendoza 2480 was also sol ;). However, these two Sol's had nothing in common, except for their love of the Pocket Rocket.

The attitude was at first the standard for 1707, i.e. only LFK and CBJ, but nonetheless quite pleasant. As the session progressed and the Pocket Rocket's battery neared the discharged stage, the LFK's magically turned into DFK's and a BBBJ was offered with only cursory mention of a propina, and then only as an after-thought.

By the time the deed was done, Sol was altogether a different girl. Alas, the inevitable knock on the door arrived, and in minutes we were back on the rainly streets.

There has been some rumor that the price has been raised to AR$120. Nothing could be further from the truth! The standard price is still AR$100 per hour, the same as it was two years ago when I first visited this apartment.

And in case Jackson is reading this, please know that this whole post was simply a figment of my imagination, and that it never happened, and that Lunico and I were simply too drunk to remember a thing about what happened yesterday afternoon, let alone do the unthinkable and break our steadfast boycott of such evil institution.

[RickSeven]

Visited here recently, a good selection of girls to choose from. I thnk around 4 at the time I visited. Chose Sol based on previous experience and had a great time as did Member #3313 in his recent experience recent experience. Cost was P$100 per hour with propina for BBBJ. Sol has a lovely way about her she is sweet and gentle but fires up once things get going. Started DFK and began undressing each other. She has a great set of enhanced 36 C or D's, and maybe carrying a few extra pounds but not too many. Undressed each other and made sure Sol had the first big O and then it was my turn. She had me sit down and then proceeded to blow me kneeling in front of me, my favourite. She sensed I was approaching the inevitable and alternated between taking me in deeper to her mouth and pulling and licking me whilst looking up at me. She was soon getting the leche she worked so hard to extract on her face and in her mouth, muy bueno!

Sol is a solid 8+ in looks, a good body and I would rate the overall package a 9.

[Exon123]

Exon reports that the best time to go here is durning the day.

Several trips back I stumbled into 1707 Santa Fe, drunk late at night and posted a "Not so Good" report.

I was in their earlier today with a completely different point of view.

Seams that the really "Smoken Hotties" only work durning the day and a second shift takes over at 8:00 pm at night.

I had a "Newbie in Toe and we stopped by just to check the "line up" heading to Florida Street to do some shopping. It was so "Fucking Good" I dropped off the Newbie on Florida, walked over to Cafe Orleans and Popped a "Dick Pill" and ordered a coke stalling for time waiting for the pill to take effect.

An hour latter I was back at 1707 with my now "Hard Dick" all the way inside Pamala.

I'm now at El Alamo trying to recover.

So much for self control & Sperm Management.

Highly recomended but only durning the day shift.

Exon

[Moore]

After downing several liters of Stella (Quilmes after they ran out of Stella) with my monger buddy Judd, we decided to check out 1707 since we were in a restaurant ½ block away. It was about midnight on Monday.

I hadn't gone to 1707 for a few months mostly because I'd become very bored with the same old ho-hum lineup. On Monday, there were 5 chicas and I didn't know a single one. Finally, a change of the old guard - awesome!

I selected Aldana. She's about 5'6", creamy clear skin, long dark lustrous hair, fairly curvaceous body – waist down anyway. Apparently, standard Argentine Italian / Spanish mix, but not the prettiest face. Id say about 24yo. No scars, big tattoos, c-sections, dental deficiencies, etc. Quite fresh and no bad smells. I'm pretty sure she doesn't smoke either. She told me she was a psych student, born and raised in Palermo and I believe most of it. She seems like the type that is very new to the business and probably doesn't really belong there.

I used to work here in BA with a hot girl also named Aldana that I was always trying to bang but never could. Now was my chance to indirectly fury-fuck this biatch that still won't even answer my emails. I also had another hot, big-titted, big-assed, teaser chick that was sitting next to Judd and I at the restaurant still in my mind.

I paid the madam the standard p70 for ½ hour and also directly paid Aldana p30 for BBBJ. I asked her about servicio completo but she said she doesn't do it for any price. She did not KY-up as many pros have to – her vag naturally lubricated up just fine. Another sign that she's new to the business. I shagged her in all positions and she was a pretty good lay. My only complaint is that she doesn't have the dogstyle position down pat. The good girls arch their back well, get their ass high, and as a result you are able to free-stroke and pound away with a perfect view of everything.

At about minute 25, I put her in missionary, grabbed the unopened packet of gel, and took the condom off. So now I'm about to cum all over her. I usually only get this opportunity with chicas that don't know me. The ones that do know me at least cover their heads / faces with a towel. So she is expecting me to nut on her stomach, but the first streamshot slammed onto the bridge of her nose at 100 mph with a great splatter effect onto her forehead / hair at which point she turned her head in disgust and blocked her face with her hand. I shot the rest of my load onto her hand, neck, chest, and abdomen. I don't pack enough meat to even dream about being a porn star, but my money shots put 90% of those guys to shame.

Aldana was clearly displeased about her face, but she said nothing about it. That is the way its supposed to be. I am the man and, as if that werent enough, I paid her good money to use her body. Besides, she was simply getting payback for the aforementioned girls that cockteased me. For every action there is a reaction.

[Moore]

I am only one real person. I thought that the relatively few sarcastic posts and/or attempts at humor that I made were obviously just that.

[DonRoberto]

After having basically had no sex since my last visit to BA a year ago (on strike over high cost in US) I started off with a visit to 1707 Santa Fe. I was presented with 6 or 7 chicas, all of high quality, and it was a tough choice, as usual. I picked Marian, with black hair and a tanned, firm body. The choice was good, because for an extra 30 pesos she gave me really fantastic BBBJ that went on and on, just what I really need these days. Very sweet and friendly girl.

The madame was a real ***** that day, and the surroundings are dark and somewhat dingy, but I still feel that this place offers extraordinary quality for the money, only 70 pesos per half hour.

[Full Throttle]

Is 30P propina a bit excessive for BBBJ, especially for a 30 minute session? What is that, a 40% mark-up?

This whole thing is starting to annoy me. Either they should do BBBJ because it is a fun, integral part of the customer experience, or they should not do it at any cost because of the danger to themselves.

FT

[Exon123]

Full Throttle.

Thats how the girls make their money since they get half or less of the $100 peso's the house charges for the hour. Be a sport and pay up.

Exon

[Dancesw/Chicas]

At St. Fe 1707 chicas keep 40 pesos out of the 100 pesos hour session and 30 pesos out of the 70 pesos half hour session.

DWC

[Full Throttle]

So, she's effectively doubling her money during a 30 minute session for a BBBJ. BA is still my favorite, but I sure have gotten used to the terma scene in Rio, lately. There, you don't even have money on your person to tip, even if you wanted to. Of course, termas cost more than the BA private apartments.

I just don't like it when money comes up during the session. I always tip for good service, but hate the upsell stuff. It's no big deal, just a preference.

FT

[Exon123]

If you repete with the same girl often enough money will never be spoken about.

Each of you will expect the same as before.

What really amazes me are the Mongers that fly 6 or 7 thousand miles down here paying $1,000 USD dollars or more in airfare plus lodging, then beat the girl up for $50 peso's, roughly $18 bucks. What the Fuck does he really care.

Now I'm in no way encourging to over pay. But what a lot of Mongers really don't give any consideration too is thease girls are doing this for a living, we as Mongers are just "Sport Fucking". Thats the Difference.

They are just trying to feed themselves, their Children and possibly a husband in a country with no jobs and 20 precent or better inflation, that 40 % of the people live below the poverty line. And the cheap "Fucking Monger" wants to take the last $50 peso's out of the deal. Then brag about it on this board and post her picture for the whole world to see. Or take secret Video's to go home and "Wack Off" too.

The $30 extra peso's for the BBBJ at Santa Fe 1707 is more than fair considering the girl gets 40 percent of the $100 peso's per hour they charge. I mean if you could get pussy in Los Angeles for $43 dollars, ($130 peso's) which by the way you can, but theres absolutely no quality or service. We'd all be in L. A. Humping away, now wouldn't we.

Indeed, here in Buenos Aires we have it all. Cheap pussy and a beautiful city to roam around in while not Mongering. Manufacturing Sperm so to Speak.

Moreover try giving the girl your not fucking a few extra peso's and see how she reacts. Example, last night I was with my good friend "Hilda" at Cafe Excedra, most of you guy's know her. Sure I was buying the coffee and we were chatting away about all the Chica's. "Hilda" is a world of knowledge about every girl in the place. Who gives good service who doesn't, who's a part timer, who's a Pro and so forth. At the end of our evening I gave her $10 peso's, thats $3 dollars & change. Well you'd have thought I'd given her a hundred grand she acted so suprised and thanked me again & again. Ive done the same with "Bennie" whom's real name is Louis by the way.

Anyway a few extra peso's on a trip down here might add up to a couple hundred bucks at the final tally that doesn't even compute in the over all big picture. It buy's a Hell of a Lot of Good Will.

Exon

[Stowe]

While what you posted about how 30 pesos isn't much to us is true. Our overpaying does have a serious impact to those that live there and CANNOT pay our prices.

Some consideration should be shown and we should pay local prices out of consideration for the locals who want sex.

Locals make no more than 400 pesos a month (average) so 100-150 pesos for a chica is huge to them. If we overpay and / or give monetary tips then that affects others-it may not impact us but it hurts others. If mongers want to be generous, perhaps they can give them a non-monetary gift like candy, perfume, etc.

We should pay based on the economy we are vacationing in, not based on the one we work and live in.

Suerte,

Stowe

[Dancesw/Chicas]

Exon,

I don't see why you are so amazed that people flying thousands of miles and keeping themselves on a budget while in BA.

Personally, it cost me between 600-700 dollars to go there from LAX and 450-550 dollars from Miami, still I do not have thousands of dollars to monger away there. 30 pesos is more than what many people make in a whole day in BA. I can buy food for two days with 30 pesos. If a girl at St. Fe 1707 can earn 30p in half hour, I would think she's making great money.

Perhaps we focus on different types of chicas, I don't think most chicas have kids, husbands (boyfriends) etc. The chicas I know for the most part are just sluts who are now asking for money. They spent precious years partying at Pacha and did never thought about going to college, which by the way is free in Argentina. Now, they won't take a regular job, because they can make so much more the easy way.

I do have a consideration for the value of the service I am getting, however, I am not in Los Angeles when I am in BA.

Let's do the numbers. If a chica at an apartment do 3 guys (90m of work) in a 8 hour shift (we all know they do more than that) at 30p that's 90 in one day. Let's say she works 20 days a month. This chica is making 1800 pesos a month, which is the salary of a good management position down there, probably working a lot more than 40hs a week. Are you going to tell me she can't have a good living standard with this kind of money?

DWC

[Exon123]

You guy's live in a different world than I do. Its my money, I earned it honestly & and all the Tax's are paid on it.

I'm not about to over pay Chica's, but I'm certainly not going to beat them up to save thirty peso's.

Last night was a good example, a "text book example" for that matter.

I walked into Ness after making a tour of Madaho's, Cutty Sark, DickHeads Maria on Florida, (Which I almost did) and Hook. Ok, walked into Ness Sat down at the far end of the Bar next to about a 6 and said nothing for maybe 10 to 15 minutes.

Finally I looked over and said "I need Amor", "Si" she answered with a very friendly Kiss. "150 peso's, one hour & a half" I answered, and bought the customary drink. (my only mistake as I should have bought her two drinks) And off we went to my apartment.

This girl had only been in the business for 5 months, but spoke very good english. (turned out her mother teach's English) Well she "Fucked My Brians Out", total "GFE" real "TLN" material and Exon as a rule doesn't do "TLN's".

Ok, I dose off and she awakens me saying I only bought one drink and she has to leave beause she'll get in trouble if she's not back at Ness soon.

Bottom line is I give her $180 peso's for tip & Taxi ride back to Ness. Had I bought her the second drink I would have gladly spend more money and changed the deal to all night, but it was to late.

Moral to the story, I got the better part of the deal. Better Loving that either of my Wifes and she got an extra $30 peso's, ($10 bucks) and we both had a great time together. There was no harm done to Monger pricing and she got some extra money to feed her two childern.

It made me happy to do it for her for the exact reasons posted below by you guy's. As I said we live in "Different Worlds"

Exon

Hi Exon,

At that moment you could have easily re-negoiated for more time with the chica and simultaniously given her the price of the 2nd drink that you didn't buy earlier. When she did return to the club, either later that night or the next day, they would have questioned her about not having returned the previous night, and she would have appeased them by giving them the money for the second drink. Simple.

Thanks,

Jackson

[One Tree Hill]

I see your points. I have to admit. It is always a delicate balancing act between not overpaying and simply haggling over nickels.

Like DWC - I too have to be somewhat on a budget and mind the prices. An extra 3p-40p per day adds up 1 or 2 less sessions when all is accounted for!

Everyones goal (hers included) should be whats fair and just based on performance-quality.

[Easy Go]

Locals make no more than 400 pesos a month (average)Last I heard, the minimum legal salary is 450 pesos / month. Here's an interesting article about salaries and poverty in Argentina. It mostly just trashes Kirchner but there are some interesting facts in it about poverty in the country.

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=6855

$AR800-1200 seems to be about the norm for the folks I talk to that have regular jobs. Even but even at that level $AR30 is a decent amount of money. I always just figure the number is the same in the US and Argentina, i.e. $20AR in BA feels about the same as $20US in the US. I gave my personal trainer a tip of $50AR after working with him for a month and he was very happy to get it.

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=6855

[Full Throttle]

Just to reiterate a bit.

My issue is not with 130 versus 100 for an hour at an apartamento. My issue is the upsell thing. It's not a deal-breaker. I'll probably go there or a place like it several times this month. But adding money for services rendered reminds me too much of LA or Atlanta or Houston or New York.

I'm writing this post from a quick trip in Amsterdam. I don't even go near the RLD. Reason? Not the total price, it's the sterile, non-sexy feel to having a menu of services presented, then the sales pitch during the session to contract for additional services.

I love Stowe's comments. That's the first time I've ever seen someone indicate that we should pay less in order to help the local mongers! Very funny, indeed. The truth is that those 30P "tips" are probably not asked of locals, which makes them gringo taxes. So, the girls are able to provide services to us and the locals for prices closer to our demand curve.

FT

[Stowe]

So you don't overpay the chicas? What was that some time back about you completely renovating a chica's apartment.

Talk about overpaying. Just admit it! Jesus.

Stowe

[Stowe]

Gee, sorry I was just a whee bit under the actual minimum wage. Just keep in mind that the minimum wage is for those that work for companies, etc and for the 70% that actually have jobs.

I am sure the chica clubs are not required to ensure the chicas make that much (though I am sure most do) nor does it apply to those who run their own businesses-like those who operate one of the millions of kiosks in BsAs.

I think my point is still relevant.

Stowe

[Stowe]

I try to pay based on the local economy because I am not a self-centered idiot that doesn't care how they impact others. Too many people in this world and, unfortunately, on this board have a 'fuck everyone. I don't care who I hurt attitude'.

Must be nice to be so self-center. Since I have spoken with some locals who get frustrated by the price increased due to foreigners, I guess I am just more considerate than most.

Stowe

[HotSam]

I tried many privados and I found many of them very cheap, but as everywhere, you fuck for what you pay. I found the quality in S. Fe 1707

Good enough for the price.

The chicas change and maybe now she is not there yet, but I suggest karina.

Bye.

Nb I usually take 1/2 h because I'm in holiday, I don't want working.

Maybe 2 session during the night.

[Moore]

Just to reiterate a bit.

My issue is not with 130 versus 100 for an hour at an apartamento. My issue is the upsell thing. It's not a deal-breaker. I'll probably go there or a place like it several times this month. But adding money for services rendered reminds me too much of LA or Atlanta or Houston or New York.

I'm writing this post from a quick trip in Amsterdam. I don't even go near the RLD. Reason? Not the total price, it's the sterile, non-sexy feel to having a menu of services presented, then the sales pitch during the session to contract for additional services.

I love Stowe's comments. That's the first time I've ever seen someone indicate that we should pay less in order to help the local mongers! Very funny, indeed. The truth is that those 30P "tips" are probably not asked of locals, which makes them gringo taxes. So, the girls are able to provide services to us and the locals for prices closer to our demand curve.

FTGood point, especially about Amsterdam. My first trip there 9 years ago was my first exposure to mass mongering and also one of my first real trips out of the USA. I truly thought I had died and gone to heaven.

Fast forward 7 years to 2003 - at which point I had been living in BA for a couple years - I returned to AMS. The price change was not material - 50 guilders to 50 euros - the real change that occured was in me. I had 2 sessions and walked out on both. The girls were very friendly until payment was made. But once the session started I was being told "you can't touch that", "I don't do that position", "you can't take that off", "don't waste time, you only have 12 minutes left", etc.

Fuck that, Ive become very accustomed to accomodating Argentine and South American women. Lets not fuck it up brothers. Luckily, due to the sheer quantity of supply here, I doubt we ever will.

[Exon123]

I've been Fucking Fabiana for 4 years and have never over paid her.

And yes I completely renovated her apartment "Gratis". It was a "Gift" with absolutely no strings attached.

And "Why" for what reason would I do such a foolish thing.

Its really very simple. Over the 4 years Ive been Fucking Fabiana she has given me 100 times more pleasure that I've ever paid her for.

Maybe its all about giving something back you take from, which I might add most Mongers have no consecption of.

Had I just given her the money it would have just dissapeared, gone up in smoke so to speak. But by renovating her apartment She has something most girls don't have, a very comfortable place to live. Matter o fact I'd live there myself. And the days she comes home tired & depressed, as we all do from time to time, she has a nice cheer'why home to live in.

Yea, I did it and it cost me "Chump Change" and you know what? It gave me a nice warm fuzzy feeling to do it. No matter what happens Fabiana will remember "Exon" for the rest of her life for I gave her something she could have never afforded by herself. Something she enjoys everyday, something that brighten's up her life. Which cost me "Nada", nothing.

Would I do it again, in a "New York Second". Do I fuck other girls, of course I do. Fabiana waits her turn, but when were together its all "GFE" and there's no such thing as time. Its one hour or "TLN" it doesn't matter Fabiana is just thrilled to be with Exon.

Exon

[Moore]

A few days ago I was hanging out in my apt and decided to call a chica in from 1707. I rarely do this, I prefer to go in and see the stock and specials of the day/night. I only live about 4 blocks away.

I ordered a chica that I know fairly well but did not specify a time period (half hour or hour). I'm a half hour guy - I'm able to manifest all my perversions within that time frame, blast an enormous cumshot, and still have time for post-coital conversation if I want. Im usually ready for them to leave at the 30min point.

Incall chicas don't do half hour, I learned. You could tell them youll pay 1000 pesos when their normal rate is 70 but theyll still say "no media hora" for incall. This particular chica, upon arriving, said she would do it "off the books" and that I not tell anyone. I paid her 120 which is 20 more that the hour rate of 100. She left my apt about 20 minutes after arriving.

Feeling lazy, a few minutes ago I called 1707 for another incall. But I learned that I am now blacklisted from 1707 incall since I "fucked over" the recent chica that came over. According to the madam, who I know quite well (Ive been to 1707 maybe 500 times and fucked maybe 491 times and they know me even by voice), I didnt pay the chica anything at my apt and didnt even give her taxi fare! She supposedly had to run the 4 blocks back and arrived out of breath!

Standard Argentine mentality and business practice. They don't have the slightest business common sense! I thought that "make more money" and "buy low, sell high" was basic economics but not here.

O well I will continue going to 1707 (already been back once since the aforementioned incident) as this mentality is simply a fact of life here. I'm not going to recommend a boycott or anything. After all, it is these retards that keep this country bassackwards and therefore so cheap!

[Dancesw/Chicas]

Who is this chica from 1707?

How was her performance?

[Jaimito Cartero]

It's a delicate balance between being a cheap dickhead, and being a chump.

I personally want to treat the ladies well, without them taking advantage of me. I think most of us romanticize our encounters with the chicas and feel they have some real attachment to us, other than our wallets.

If I'm going to give them anything, it's going to be a small gift that I bring from the US. A small tip might be in order, but usually evolves into "normal price" the next time.

For example, I paid Rosa Maria 135p the first time I pulled her. I think I just gave her 150 total when she left. The next time I saw her (one week later) guess what the normal price was? 150p plus taxi.

I personally think that most of the women think we're chumps. They're probably right.

[Moore]

I think most of us romanticize our encounters with the chicas and feel they have some real attachment to us, other than our wallets.Then I am an exception. I never romanticize with these girls. I pay them to fuck them, nothing more nothing less. For an incall session I'm usually shoving them out the door before the time is up. I've met some interesting ones and chat with them occasionally, but kissing them has never even crossed my mind.

[Cactus]

Used their services twice. Both good. The madam is a bit of a ***** and suggested she only works for tips. Sol is beautiful and very wiling to please. 100 for the hour. Good value.

Cactus

[Moore]

The night shift girls are slowly but surely returning from Jan vacation. I had a good session with Barbara, who provides excellent service. Theyve been scraping by with the same 3 night girls for at least 2 weeks now (Dana, Paulita, one other). Supposedly Agostina returns from Mendoza tomorrow but theyve been saying that for several days. Still no word on Aldana, maybe shes gone for good.

The fat night madam is very nice, maybe even so nice that it gets on your nerves. Very accomodating though and usually honest about what girls are available or when theyll become available etc. The other one that sounds like she smokes 2 cartons per day can be kind of a biatch.

[Dancesw/Chicas]

Moore,

You are so right about both madams haha.

For what I know, Barbara is out of the business. The madam told me.

She was near finishing a degree. She was good.

Another good one was Loli from Cordoba, and Nati, the Vanessa Williams.

Of Argentina.

DWC

[Agnarf]

Info for newbies. This Appt is on the 3rd floor at 1707 Santa Fe Av. Just press the 3rd floor buzzer and say hello in english and you will get buzzed in.

Price is 70p for half an Hour.

Went 3 times here in the last week. Not a great selection I thought. First time was in the afternoon when there was a line up of about 10. Picked "Flor", a pretty sexy black haired girl of 28yrs. Excellent service, including kissing. She was a cut above the rest and wasn't in the line ups the following 2 times I visited.

Second time was just after 8pm. Only 2 available. Picked Antonella. Blonde with a largish ass. Was OK though. Gave some BBBJ.

Third time was in the afternoon again. Only 5 in the lineup. Picked Bianca. OK, passable.

I don't think I will go back here as the selection was a bit lean on the looker side. Any suggestions for a reasonably priced place with a decent selection of above average looking girls?

[Moore]

FYI, Brisa is back working at SF1707 as of 2 days ago.

She was "missing in action" for a while and I know some of you were looking for her. She's been found.

[Marak5]

Was a little bored around 7pm so decided to check it out. It's literally a 3 minute walk from my hotel.

Selection of about 10 girls. Most were pretty decent looking. A couple in the line up seemed to have attitude so no way Id choose them. The first girl that came through was a darker girl named Pamela. Her body was the best and I would have chosen her until a girl named Julietta came through, who was a bit of a butherface but had nice fake tits and a very fit body. She also seemed to have a bubbly, friendly personalty that wasnt completely fake so I went with her.

Session definitely exceeded expectations. It was one of those where the girl seemed very into it. Whether that is fake or not I'm not really sure nor do I care, it definiely made things better for me. She gave inspired cbj for a solid 10 or 12 minutes and I asked her to stop because I was going to finish right there. Next she rode me on top in a couple of positions and her body was great. Finished in missionary at about the 30 minute mark.

Told her I would repeat tomorrow at around 3pm since her performance was excellent.

[Dave Far]

Ok I admit I'm retarded and after reading all these posts I don't know where this place is. I'm going to Argentina and been trying to figure out where this place is from looking at my Lonely Planet map. Not a lot of help. Does anyone know how I can find this apt by using the Lonely Planet as a reference map. I. E. What # is it closest by Thanks

[Rock Harders]

Dave Far-

Addresses on Avenida Santa Fe begin where the Avenida begins near Puerto Madero. For example, an address in the 1700's would be located roughly 17 blocks west from where Santa Fe begins, probabably between Avenida Pueyrredon and Azcuenaga. The addresses near where Santa Fe ends (becomes Cabildo in Belgrano) are in the 5000's. Also, the numbers for the block are posted on most street signs.

Suerte,

Dirk

[Bandy]

Ok I admit I'm retarded and after reading all these posts I don't know where this place is. I'm going to Argentina and been trying to figure out where this place is from looking at my Lonely Planet map. Not a lot of help. Does anyone know how I can find this apt by using the Lonely Planet as a reference map. I. E. What # is it closest by ThanksAsk the cab driver to take you to the corner of Sante Fa and Rodriguez Pena. If you are coming from Recoleta, the building is exactly on the corner on your right (don't cross over Santa Fe).

Bandy

[Dickhead]

It's right next to 1709 Santa Fe. Okay, it is NOT between Puerreydon and Azcuenaga. It is between Rodriguez Pena and Callao. BUT you need to know what doorbell to press. You have to press the buzzer for the third floor AND then say, "Hola, Sylvia" and THEN you will get buzzed in. Otherwise you are fucked (or not fucked, actually). Take the elevator to the third floor and buzz another buzzer on the wall. Then and only then will you be escorted in.

Buses 39, 152, 37, 106 and many others go by here, and also it is four blocks from station Callao on Subte linea B.

For better service, say your name is Jackson.

[Moore]

You can also slur incomprehesibly after pressing the doorbell and they'll still buzz you in.

When you arrive here and get a local map you're not going to have any problem finding it. Santa Fe is one of the largest avenues and 1707 is close to the center.

And if you're on the subte, you want to be on subway line D as in Drunk. Although subway line B is only twice as far.

[Bandy]

......... For better service, say your name is Jackson.Newbies may not get your drift and end up in hot water.

Glad to see you posting again.

Bandy

[Sportsman]

For better service, say your name is Jackson.And ask for Barbara.;)

[Sportsman]

OK, back to playing nice. Here is the map from http://www.maporama.com/. It's on the North side of the street rather than South side as indicated.

[Moore]

Also, the coordinates are 34.58247°South 58.40833°West. Just follow your GPS there.

[Sportsman]

Or near the center of this photo (maps.google.com/maps?f=l&hl=en&q=&near=av+santa+fe,+buenos+aires,+argentina&t=k&ll=-34.596079,-58.390521&spn=0.004116,0.006877&t=k). I think the grassy area on the lower left is Plaza Rodriguez Pena and Plaza Vicenta Lopez y Planes is on the upper center. Please feel free to zoom in to ensure I have the correct intersections.

I need to get a life or return to BA for a quick visit soon. ;)

[Cowpie]

DH is exactally right. Even a newbie with 2 pesos for a taxi can get there and get laid, of course that wil cost a bit more. Round two is also on me!

[Dancesw/Chicas]

When you ring the bell you don't have to say anything. They have a camera by the elevator and can see you pinching a tent outside. Ha!

DWC

[Moore]

I jacked Antonella the day before last (30 minute session). I haven't seen her before, probably because she works the day shift and I rarely go during that time. She has a very full ass, decent skin, and one of the best titjobs Ive ever seen. I am very anti-surgery but her implants almost had me fooled.

She had a serious accident with a yellow hairdye bottle which tends to the negate the beauty of any woman. She's not the prettiest girl but by no means coyote ugly either. Claims to be half Arab, half Italian, and live in Almagro. Believable enough.

She gave me a BBBJ for free - I think she was sweet on me. I then gave her a mild version of the Moore treatment. She's lighter than she looks - I was bouncing her cowgirl style like an inflatable doll. Changing positions, she's kind of short which hinders a righteous dogpound slam. Her ass is just to low for proper alignment. Also her hair is too short to wrap around your fist and wrench back. I finished with a cumshot to the face, as usual.

Apparently, she's a rather sensitive girl. Told me that I don't know how to treat a lady. Yeah right what does she know. Maybe I was too gentle with her, thats probably why she said that.

[Dickhead]

Well I went there today early (11 AM). I have never had sex there before, only take out. I don't see anything wrong with the facilities; better than say Suipacha 921. At least the room I was in had its own bathroom, and my selection handed me a wrapped bar of soap and a hand towel. After sex I got a bath sized towel and decided to shower. I usually don't do that because I shower before and also I don't want them going through my pants while I am in the shower. In this case there were only a few pesos to steal so I decided to shower.

I did Florencia, from Cordoba province (no accent marks on this computer). I paid Sylvia the 100 pesos and Florencia asked me if I wanted a blow job sin condon so of course I said yes. Afterwards she said I needed to pay her 30 pesos more for that but I said, "You need to tell me that before," and she shrugged and said "next time." No problema. A very nice girl and quite horny as well. Had a tongue stud and also had something I'd never seen before, a piercing on the breast bone between her (very nice and firm) tits. Oh yeah she has a very firm ass too. She says she doesn't like her ass because it is "cuadrada" (square) which it sort of is, but I am more into the anterior curvature than the hip curvature.

We were shown a total of five gals. The other one that would have worked for me was Carolina. There was a blond, Sol, who was cute but not what I was looking for. There was a black gal I recognized from somewhere, I'm thinking from Catto's but maybe from Maipu 429. The other one had a hard look and the intro was very perfunctory and she did not seem to want to be there. The black gal did not seem happy with her job either.

One other thing: I thought I had given the madam a 50, two 20s, and a ten. She said, "En seguida vuelvo con tu cambio." I looked again and I had given her a 50 and three 20s. So she was honest in that regard, which surprised me, and I thanked her for that. I then gave her the correct change. It is, of course, quite dark in there.

WIR? Probably not now that I can't pretend I don't know the BBBJ is 30 pesos extra. I'll just go to Suipacha 921 now that Norman Stormin told me where the towels are hidden.

[Chica Chaser]

The other one that would have worked for me was Carolina.I've sessioned there three times, with Pamela, Natalia, and then Carolina. The first two, morochos (sp? Were great. I want to do a dupla with them but with being a bit ill and time being short it might have to wait till May.

Carolina was alright but for the fact that she hit me up for an extra 20P, above the 30P I had ready, for the BBBJ option. Moore said I was a vagina in another thread, for another reason. I didn't agree there but in this case I have to say I am a pussy when it comes to negotiating with a sexy chica. I should have told her 30P take it or leave it but, as is often the case, I failed to look away - from her sweet face. Doh!

Once money matters were taken care up she performed ok. Not great as I recall, but not bad either. Near the end of the session, ever calculating ahead, she implied there'd be a next time with her. Over confident she is as I would not repeat. With Pamela and Natalia I would though. If she were as smart as she thinks she is she wouldn't be (potentially) spoiling a mood with her special price.

Chica Chaser

[Moore]

I shagged Carolina recently. What a puritan.

She's appears to be half Japanese - if one is attracted to that.

She claims to be born and raised in capital but I dont believe it. I would guess that she has a BrazilianJapo grandparent but somehow ended up in Argentina. She has an incredible full ass, nice legs, great skin - thats why I selected her. Its funny how the genes adapt - Ive seen many voluptuous Japo chicas in Brazil (2nd gereration probably) that are built just as good as other Brazilians. The only exception Ive noted to the genetic moderation is girls of British stock - you can meet 5th generation girls here (or anywhere else) of British ancestry and they still have the rotten teeth of their ancestors. Purple skin and flat asses too.

Back to Carolina - she was a very mediocre shag. She told me p50 for bbbj and I passed. Then she told me p30 to cum outside of the condom, which I accepted. Christ, maybe she's a JapoAmerican.

She has a fantastic ass and thats what counts, but her service/attitude was poor. I even gave a thumbs down (and commented about the attitude) to the madam on the way out. Something has to be pretty bad for me to do that. If a restaurant sucks, for instance, I'll leave a regular tip and don't say anything - I simply never return. Carolina, however, merited a complaint to management.

[Dickhead]

Of course if one hates women and exudes that vibe from every pore one might just get substandard service from time to time. Look how Moore uses WSG prohibited words to refer to women as "biatches," "kunts" and "whoares." This speaks volumes. Then look at how aggressive he is. Then look at how he loves to do things to women without their prior consent. What a fucking disgrace.

[Jaimito Cartero]

Then she told me p30 to cum outside of the condom, which I accepted. I hope this is another example of you pulling our leg.

[Moore]

No bullshit, 30 pesos to take the condom off and bust a nut on her. And she covered strategic parts with towels!

Nor did she wait for me to leave like they always do. She just bailed after I jerked. What a lack of respect.

Maybe I caught her on a bad day. I'll probably jam her again soon due to her wonderass. Im a forgiving person.

[Dickhead]

Fair is fair and Moore is right and I am wrong and I hate it when that happens but yeah, the Callao station on Linea D as in "Drunk" is a few blocks closer than the Callao station on Linea B as in "Borracho." The former is on calle Cordoba whereas the latter is four blocks further south on calle Corrientes. My bad.

Just say no to taking cabs.

[Rock Harders]

Moore-

I just cannot believe a man of your alleged experience and intellectual aptitude would let some cumdumpster working girl swindle you out of $30AR for the pleasure of cumming outside the condom. You should have just pulled out at the point of climax, slid the condom off and busted your joy juice whereever you god damn pleased. You could easily pass it off as a "mishap", besides, what is she going to do about it anyway? It looks like you are having a rough week, first you think someone would name a house of iniquity "sol why gol" (as if that makes any sense? Then you let this girl rape you for $30AR. I think you need to lay off the Mate for awhile.

Suerte,

Dirk

[Dickhead]

"cumdumpster working girl "

What in the hell kind of way is that to refer to another human being? I re-read all your posts. Get the fuck out of this country if you have that attitude.

[Rock Harders]

Dickhead-

To each his own.

Suerte,

Dirk

[Full Throttle]

In early December, a discussion "broke out" on this board related to upselling. I was alarmed that the girls were starting to ask for 30 pesos for a BBBJ. One or two guys chastised me (in a non-confrontational way) stating that I shouldn't worry about the extra $$, as it was relatively small. However, my point was that upselling ruins a lot of otherwise great experiences around the world regardless of the ultimate net value of the experience.

The extra money for finishing outside of the condom is an extension of this mentality, and represents a very disturbing trend. I'm glad Moore expressed his opinion to management and posted about it here. It has definitely affected my future plans for the place.

FT

[JengisKhan]

"I just cannot believe a man of your alleged experience and intellectual aptitude would let some cumdumpster working girl swindle you out of $30AR for the pleasure of cumming outside the condom. You should have just pulled out at the point of climax, slid the condom off and busted your joy juice whereever you god damn pleased. You could easily pass it off as a "mishap", besides, what is she going to do about it anyway?"

To Dirk-

Sorry your mom was such an overbearing *****, but get over it. That's no way to treat a lady. Prostitute or otherwise.

-Joe

[Moore]

Full Throttle,

I would say that most (>50%) girls ask for about p30 extra for BBBJ and have for a long time. In two of my recent posts (1 at SF1707 and 1 at Madonna) I specifically mentioned that I was not charged extra for BBBJ - I mentioned it because it was I was so damn surprised.

Regarding the upcharge for cumming on the girl, I think thats just an aberration and not a trend. I would estimate that happens with 1 in 50 chicas. Its not something I ask for - 95% of the time I take the condom off and jack all over her at the end of the session, no probs or charges. But maybe 2% of the times a chica will say it costs extra or even that it cannot be done at any cost. I'm not so concerned since I know I won't encounter it again for a long time.

But your point is well taken. I beleive I posted about a fairly recent trip to Amsterdam. I think there was an "upcharge" for removing clothing, touching, changing positions, etc. I just walked out on that bullshit.

I guess I simply accept that BBBJ is usually an "extra", like anal is. But it would be so sad to see the argentinas become cold business machines like the whoares in Holland. Im not so worried though. Argentina will continue shooting itself in the foot and whoaring will remain the most lucrative employment option for millions of hot local chicas. Also its just not in the argentinas' nature to act like that.

[Mojokpr]

I was in BA recently and went to this apartment several times, it's a great place, at least during the day, I've never gone in the evening.

Had a round with Julieta, charming lady from up north somewhere, I forget, dynamite build and naturally tanned. 30 pesos extra for bbbj, 2 shots without any problems. For a middle aged (late 40's) guy like me, that second shot can be almost impossible, she found it in record time.

Also tried Carolina, sweet lady with maybe a little baby fat but looks great on all fours. She has a nice personality, cute all over, bubbly. When I couldn't get the second round off, she gave me a short break and then insisted that I try again. I did try, nothing came of it but a good time for me.

I also tried a girl from Paraguay, darker skinned, almost looked carribean, can't remember her name. Nothing stands out in this session, just standard fare for this place.

Also tried Bianca, she has the hot little body that I like, very athletic, no fat, firm legs, ass and stomach, small tits, but I don't care. She is also very responsive to daty (all seems to like it) and 2 shots was no problem.

I always had the full hour, 2 shots (or at least an attempt) was never a problem, pretty ladies, all is good here.

I'd like to get a job at Easy Rentals and Real Estate, just 1 floor down.

[Dickhead]

Went to a different branch of my gym today and realized it was half a block from 1707 so since I was all nice and relaxed and squeaky clean I went there at about 4 PM. Played a ridiculous amount of hide and go seek in the stairwell, kitchen, etc. which gets annoying. Was presented with five chicas. First the aforementioned Antonella to whom I was leaning, then Jackie, a tallish morocha who was very enthusiastic in the introduction.

Then Sol who looked bored out of her mind, or maybe stoned out of her skull, then a fugly, then Pamela who looked real good. I gave Pamela the edge over Jackie for looks, decided I did not want a "blond" after all, and chose Jackie anyway due to more enthusiasm.

Mistake. Don't waste your time. Very nice body but a mannequin fuck. Zero kissing. Declined the BBJ option. Good call because she had no technique and it lasted 90 seconds. Then rush rush rush moan moan moan so I cut my losses early. She kept checking the condom every two minutes. It would have been a good time to have chosen the half hour option because after 20 minutes I was sick of her. Also did not like some stuff she said about foreigners in general and Americans in particular. No need for that in this type of a setting.

Next time, if there is one, Antonella or Pamela or the Florencia I fucked before.

[Exon123]

I can recomend Pamela, DickHead.

[Moore]

Pamela, a long time favorite of mine at SF1707, is always a great fuck and is always in a great mood. She has a great body/ass and is a consistently outstanding provider. My only gripe is that Ive shagged her so many times over the past 2(?) years that the honeymoon is over - I'm bored with her now.

I did Sol once(?) but, as mentioned, she always seems stoned and is quite unenthusiastic in the sack. Fake tits, I am almost positive that most guys rave about her due to a common worldwide fetish for yellow hairdye bottles. Why not just buy a bottle and beatoff on it?

I hear ya' Dickhead about playing hide-and-seek while rooms free up. When I call beforehand, they are honest 90% of the time. But occasionally I'll call and they tell me that 5 girls are available, I arrive 3 minutes later, and 1 girl is available while the rest are taken. That pisses me off. But due to the great location one can exit and down a liter of something while waiting for the chicas to become available.

PS try Agostina and/or Barbara in the night shift. From Mendoza/Misiones respectively. Missiones usually produces excellent whoares (WHOARES! I HATE WOMEN!) and my experiences with the mendocinas are generally good.

[Dancesw/Chicas]

Nati- the vanessa williams type- is hardly ever mentioned by you guys.

Her BBBJ is RRREEEEAAAALLLL gooooood! Haha.

DWC

[Lunico]

I posted about her last October, she looks just like Vanessa Williams and she is an awesome time. Pluss she can really talke sexy. I only know converstional spanish, not bedroom spanish. She made me pop a chubby by telling me what she was gonna do to me before she took off her bathing suit. Man, it was funny. Whats more she asked me to talk to her during felatio and my dumb ass was making small talk like "how was your day"?

[Dancesw/Chicas]

Do you come here often? Haha.

DWC

[DonRoberto]

In early December, a discussion "broke out" on this board related to upselling. I was alarmed that the girls were starting to ask for 30 pesos for a BBBJ. FTWhen I got back to the US after my happy December visit to BA, I heard on National Public Radio a discussion of how economists (at Yale, I think) have looked at this issue of how much prostitutes around the world get for sex without condoms. The result of their investigations (how I would love to be an investigator) is that world-wide, a premium of about 30% is paid, a "risk premium" that compensates the lady for the health risk. Thus, the 30 pesos we are asked to pay at SF1707 and the like on 70-100 pesos is very consistent with practice around the world.

[JengisKhan]

God bless the free market!

[Robert Dean]

I was at this place sometime ago and the choice was difficult. There were some 7 girls, all of them very Average. I reasoned with my dick quickly (or the other way around): "what the heck, it could be just half an hour of some fun". I chose the one that showed a big smile, Jackie.

She's good. I was out in about twenty minutes of assisted masturbation, before she insisted again on having me as her boyfriend.

She wants out, and waits for her Prince Charming at 1707.

[Tommmy]

The best!

http://www.platynum.com.ar/Entretenimiento/Escorts/Julietta/Julietta1.htm

Hi Tommmy,

Why is this link to an escort girl on platynum.com in the thread for the private apartment at Sante Fe 1701?

Does this girl work out of Sante Fe 1707?

Please advise.

Thanks,

Jackson

[JengisKhan]

The best!

http://www.platynum.com.ar/Entretenimiento/Escorts/Julietta/Julietta1.htmThis girl is at SF1707? What is her name there?

[Tommmy]

This girl is at SF1707? What is her name there?Yes, your name is Julieta / Flavia.

http://www.platynum.com.ar/Entretenimiento/Escorts/Flavia/Flavia1.htm

[JengisKhan]

How is she? Whats her face like? Hows her service?

[Amantelondres]

Re Julieta / Flavia: Are those tits silicone, like hard tennis ball consistency silicone? (I know they're not tennis ball size! Or are they naturally soft?

[JengisKhan]

Yes, your name is Julieta / Flavia.

http://www.platynum.com.ar/Entretenimiento/Escorts/Flavia/Flavia1.htmTommy, are you actually Julieta / Flavia? If so. You are obviously very attractive, what else can you say about yourself?

¿Tommy, sos de hecho la chica Julieta/Flavia? Si es así, sos obviamente muy linda, ¿pero que más puedes contarnos de ti y de tus servicios?

[Member #4110]

OK, maybe somewhere in this thread, it says Santa Fe 1707 Piso 3, but I did not see it prior to my venture there this morning. So I stood outside this nice old buidling on a busy corner and stared at the 6 buzzers. Have you ever read the story: "The Lady and the Tiger"? Well, I did not get the tiger, but I got several people who were very amused by me and my quest.

As I stood and looked at the 6 buzzers (one of which represented the lady) an old blind man with a smile batted me with his stick a few times and asked for the timbre for CincoB. OK, I pressed the buzzer that said Consultorio for 5b. A nice fellow answered in words I did not understand, and the blind fellow persuaded him to buzz the door open. Teamwork: me and the blind guy. The blind guy held my shirtsleeve into the narrow lobby, and I took him to the elevator. I pressed 5, said "adios," and off he went into los cielos.

So, now I was in. Using my deductive talents, I ruled out 5b as the Apartmento full of whores. So I headed up the steps. On the first floor, a very nice, well-dressed young Asian lady answered the door (and a very impressive huge, wooden door it was) I asked, "Apartamento?" and she pointed up the stairs and smiled rather mischievously. I felt like a fool who had forgotten to zip his pants. So, up I go. On the next piso, I rang the bell, and another nice little lady answered. Looking inside, I could see that this place dealt with rental apartments. She said something in Spanish that ended in "hoteles" or something similar, and she smiled and pointed up the steps. OK, up the steps I went again. My deductive transmission was in high gear: the ladies have to be on the 3rd, 4th, or 5a floors. It turned out that the sweet little putas were on the 3rd floor; I was greeted warmly and accepted agua con gas.

I RESPECTFULLY SUGGEST THAT SOMEONE ANNOUNCE THE CORRECT FLOOR. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR MY ADVENTURE.

[Member #4110]

Only two chicas were available at 10:45 AM. The proprietess had said that there were three chicas, but apparently one "no terminando" or something like that.

I avoided Sol, based on reviews below and on her nonverbals during the introduction. Marian (not sure of spelling) my only other option, had a nice butt, good posture, and good muscle tone throughout, but she had artificial breasts, which are usually a turn-off for me. She appeared to be about 30 years old, of mixed Spanish and native blood, with darker skin and typical facial features, but not short like so many ladies of mixed ancestry. I liked her attitude in the introduction, and, even though she was not my dream girl, I thought I would take a chance. It is very hard for me to turn down a lady with an attractive butt, and the price was right.

At the start, Marian asked for 40 pesos on top of the 100 for the one-hour session. Bad sign. I said: OK, condom. As she was reaching for the condom, she changed her mind and asked for treinta. I said OK. That was the only problem I experienced with this sexually generous lady. The BBBJ was above average, and she was responsive to suggestions. In front of the old mirror, she enjoyed looking at herself getting it from behind, and I always like to watch a lady watching herself. She had one good orgasm, and then she communicated to me that she was all done with orgasms for the day. So, when she started heading for her second orgasm saying "Si, si, si" and wrenching the sheets with her hands, I knew I had a winner. I liked the way she kept her legs together between mine to increase the sensation she experienced.

After a while we took a break, and she declared herself to be "consada" = tired, but she responded immediately when I asked for more boca and lengua. Then we did more sexo, slowly, while talking. She is from down-river in La Plata, and she is a real promoter of 1707. She told me there will be lots more chicas after noon, and, when I told her that the chicas in the clubs and the cafes were asking for 200 or 300 pesos, she urged me to keep coming back to 1707. I agree with her: for me, apartments provide the most pleasure. We were in this funky old room with high ceilings and a big old window looking out on a busy intersection. Marian said she liked Americans the most, and said that she particulary disliked French men. Heh, something we have in common. She also said that Argentinian men are very "rapido" in their sexaul habits and that she seldom has orgasmos with them because they are finished before she gets turned on.

I was having so much fun, I asked for another half-hour, at 50 pesos. I had a great ending, and I'll be damned if she didn't get turned on again. I just had a wonderful time with this lady, who has a great attitude and a real eagerness to please. She appears to enjoy her work, with humor and sensitivity, and there was no feeling that she felt like an oppressed or bored person. When cleaning up, she decided she would give me a Spanish lesson. And I should say that her butt remained naked, lovely, and firm until I walked out the door and back onto the busy street. So the total cost for 1 1/2 hours of near-constant penetration, mutually enjoyed, was about $57. Viva Argentina.

[Daddy Rulz]

I used to bang Sol alot and she was always fun. Not super passionate but a days work for a days pay.

[Dickhead]

Looked totally disinterested to me and like she was fucked up on downers or some really good smack both of the last two times I was there.

[Daddy Rulz]

Looked totally disinterested to me and like she was fucked up on downers or some really good smack both of the last two times I was there.I'm not denying that she looks pretty disinterested in the llineup, but my prediliction (spelled wrong I'm sure) for blondes with big fake tits is well know. I gambled and found her satisfactory not great but ok on more than one occasion

[Moore]

Looked totally disinterested to me and like she was fucked up on downers or some really good smack both of the last two times I was there.During the last two years I've been going there, I've never seen her look anything but stoned out of her mind. Not even once.

Its a shame because she has a fairly pretty face and could be quite attractive without the fake blond hair, plastic parts, etc. I can get a Sol experience and lookalike with my inflatable doll.

[El Perro]

I just moved around the corner from 1707. I figure I'll make a habit of checking it out for awhile given the convenience, and report back. Are they open on Saturdays? And, hours of operation 10-10 or thereabouts? Thanks for the feedback. Seems I saw something about hours here once on the thread, but alot of posts to wade through. Indulge me. Thanks again.

[Team Stream]

I just moved around the corner from 1707. I figure I'll make a habit of checking it out for awhile given the convenience, and report back. Are they open on Saturdays? And, hours of operation 10-10 or thereabouts? Thanks for the feedback. Seems I saw something about hours here once on the thread, but alot of posts to wade through. Indulge me. Thanks again.I was there today, and Silvia told me that their hours of operation is 10a-5a. There are two shifts a day (I missed when she said was the change of the shift. And I believe the hours are everyday (but I didn't confirm that specifically)

[Team Stream]

I went on March 24 (the day of the new holiday) at 1230pm. Sylvia buzzed me in and led to the waiting / greeting area. She explained the prices to me (just to make sure things didn't change: 70 for 1/2hr and 100 for 1 hr)

There were about 8 girls that came in to greet me including; Sol, Florencia, Natalia, Julietta and others (that I didn't remember) The all looked very "do-able."

I asked Slyvia to bring Natalia (Nati) and Julietta back in so I can decide between the two. She happily obliged. I picked Julietta.

Julietta is from the North (Corrientes) and is 29 years old. She said that she has been working there for the past year. She has augmented breasts but they actually look really good (and natural / proportional) They are silicon and feel more on the natural side. She has straight, mid-back length black hair, and she is really tanned.

We were able to communicate very well and we talked about all sorts of the normal introduction stuff. She smiled and laughed, thus making me feel very comfortable for my first time in the apartment.

She cleaned herself in the little bathroom and asked if I wanted to clean myself (yes, perfect.

After some light kissing, and seeing that I was already rock hard, she reached for my condom and went to put it on. I stopped her, and asked her about BBBJ. She said that it'll be 30p more, and I agreed. Her BBBJ was unrushed and fantastic (it must have lasted 10+minutes) She put the condom on and rode me until I came. She got to clean herself as did I. We got back on the bed and talked more about whatever (conversation makes for a better session)

After maybe 10-15 min of conversation, she started to BBBJ me again. (and for another 10 minutes rushed. Two positions later, I came doggie-style.

Basically, she was a wonderful experience and a definitely repeat for me the next time I'm in BsAs.

(I guess it helps to be fluent in Spanish, but I'm sure she'll treat you right.

[Team Stream]

I went on a Saturday morning and arrived at 1130am. Sylvia buzzed me and she eventually told me that no one is avaiable at this time. The two girls (Sol and Florencia) that were there were busy with clients. I asked if Natalia or Pamela are going to be there. Sylvia said that Pamela is coming and Natalia is not working today. I said that I would return later, although she said that I can wait in the apt.

I returned at 315pm. There only two girls there: Sol and Pamela (perfect) I chose Pamela for an hour.

Pamela is 29, from Misiones (northeast) and has been working there for the past 4 years. She has tanned skin, and slight tummy. She has shoulder length brown hair with slight blond highlights. She says that she plans to work there for another 3 years as she is planning to have a family later.

Pamela wasn't as affectionate as Julietta, but she warmed up after the first climax. Anyways. She offered BBBJ (sin globo) for 30p, and I agreed. Her technique was okay, but it didn't last very long (like 1-2 minutes) We started in the doggy position, and I finished in 10 minutes or so. She took off my condom and I washed myself.

Like I said previously, she really warmed up as started to talk. She mentioned that often the american would pay for an hour and leave after the first climax because they would just sit there staring at each other as they couldn't communicate (lucky for me, I guess) After about 15 min of conversation. She started again with BBBJ, and her technique magically improved. She was giving me a good BBBJ with HJ. This lasted approximately 10 minutes. I noted that as the BBBJ got good, she'll change to a HJ pointed at her breasts. I told her that I will warn her before I cum and that she shouldn't worry becuase there won't be a "suprise." She appreciated it and gave me more BBBJ than HJ. After another 7 min or so of this. It was tiring for the both of us. I told her to put a condom on me and ride me. I left the apartment a happy man.

She is recommended, too (I guess if you can communicate with her)

[El Perro]

One girl, named Gabi just refused. Propina offered and still refused. Perhaps a bigger propina would have done something but I refuse to contribute to the run up of prices. I understand they want 30 pesos for a BBBJ now, I know it's not much to us but if unchecked it will continue until it is a lot to us.Daddy,

Unfortunatley I "ran into" this chica at 1707 last night (boozed up and not selective) Indeed, she refused BBBJ, and initially refused CBJ! A waste of time and cum. Plus, is she the last chica in BA who is not waxed / shaved? PLUS, her pussy was odiferous! Avoid!

Dog trying to avoid licking his dick

[Big Bob 7]

I went to Santa Fe 1707 at 1AM and I was shocked. Shocked I tell you to find hot young girls there. This is the place for me. Thank God for completo. I am starting to like BA.

[Orlandoirish]

Viva la BUSH!

[Daddy Rulz]

My Gabi doesn't work there anymore I think. Mine had a killer body, very nicely trimmed conchita that was very fresh. She just had no passion for her work.

After much consultation, Dogboy and I decided they were different Gabis.


Daddy,

Unfortunatley I "ran into" this chica at 1707 last night (boozed up and not selective) Indeed, she refused BBBJ, and initially refused CBJ! A waste of time and cum. Plus, is she the last chica in BA who is not waxed / shaved? PLUS, her pussy was odiferous! Avoid!

Dog trying to avoid licking his dick

[Rock Harders]

Mongers-

In an attempt to redeem myself for last nights shenanigans (see thread under Bar / Restaurants) I walked the two blocks to Santa Fe 1707 in search of some hot cheap pussy. This place was recommended by several reputable forum members and indeed the selection was decent enough, although none of the six girls that paraded through really struck me, so I took the one with the biggest smile that seemed to be the only one that did not look completely miserable. The girl, calling herself Florencia, had a nice face and what looked like nice enough tits under her bra. She told me she is of Syrian descent, is 28 years old, has two sons, age 4 and 10, and lives in Cordoba one week with the kids, then comes to Buenos Aires and works at 1707 and lives in a hostel in San Telmo the next week. Claims to have only been working at 1707 for one month, and said she got the breast implants 45 days ago. Honestly, these implants were HORRIBLE, as hard as my pecs, with not one semblance of natural feel to them. They look ok, but they feel like shit, and they don't even move at all. Anyway, an enthusiastic cbj, but the horrible tits and lack of supple ass turned me off and the sex was weak, and she made fake exaggerated noises which pisses me off. I hate to blame the girl, because she was a hot girl, friendly, and made the effort to please, but for whatever reason I just wasnt enjoying myself. After sex, there was plenty of time left (I booked the hour) so I had her give me a full body massage with oil, which was decent, because this is a fit, athletic chick (she says she does tai bo, tai chi, and kickboxing) and she had strong hands. Prices were $70/ 30 min and $100 60 min, as reported on the board. No english spoken at all by this chica, and she has a strange Corboda twang, so if you spanish isnt up to par you won't be able to communicate with this chica very well.

Suerte,

Dirk Diggler

[Admin05]

Having now mongered with more than sixty chicas in Baires, I know I still will seem a lightweight to some on this board, and yet I think it is a large enough sampling to afford a wide range in the quality of the experiences.

I have had only one downright unpleasant experience and that was with Yaki (pronounced as "zhocky) at SF 1707. She was the only girl available when I went and I was offered the chance to see her and then perhaps return later if I so chose. She is very tall with long dark hair and is one of the more attractive chicas in the stable. She was very disagreeable from the start and would do nearly nothing though I had asked for little. For some unknown reason, she was actually hostile. After the first half hour she started in saying that time was nearly up. One may ask why I had stayed even that long. I had no clothing on and was hoping that the situation would improve. Finally I took the for me unprecedented action of giving up, tearing off the johnnie, dressing and going out to complain to the madame.

The madame knows me from past visits and that I am a polite and easy-going person. She spoke to me for ten minutes sympathetically but there was no mention, of course, of any partial refund. I don't usually consider stories about an individual chica very helpful. There is too much subjectivity at play and variables on the side of both chica and monger. I make an exception here in the case of this chica. I would by no means reccomend her. It put me off mongering for four days. Btw, I have been at SF 1707 at least a dozen times over several years. I believe the place is over rated and right now more so than ever. I enjoyed myself much more at other places for the same price. I would like to mention a few of these as soon as I have time.

[Dickhead]

I already posted about what a worthless lay that chick was. But what do I know.

[Stormy]

Soon someone will post that Sol looked zonked.

[Moore]

According to the madam (ghoulish one) at SF1707, the place will be closed tomorrow Good Friday/Viernes Santo.

[Orang05]

The day I pick to arrive in be. A. Is the day before Easter ("Holy Saturday") not primo for mongering fun. I had arrived from Rio after 6 weeks in Brasil (and had a blast) I reckoned Argentina would need to go some to match the garotas of Rio, Natal, Salvador, et al.

Mid-afternoon I found my way to 1707, largely on the counsel I received on this forum. "Lily" had told me on the phone that they would be open until 9 that evening, and badly needing my own Resurrection, I went. You guys were right about the venue - the Ritz it ain't, but it was acceptable for my purposes.

Wouldn't 'ya know it? I found the most beautiful garota -- from Bahia via Sao Paulo -- at 1707? Four girls were presented and the first was Anna, a bronzeda blonde who was just my type: stunning, actually. I was courteous and met the other three ladies, but couldn't get to Anna soon enough. I paid Lily my 100 and Anna took over.

She proved to be a totally satisfying GFE experience. And a very, very nice person besides. She has, I think, the most wonderful body I have ever seen on a woman. My taste prevails in this subjective judgement, but I am pretty conservative on my ratings. She is about 5'7", maybe 115-120 lbs. Great tan, beautiful eyes, and a fetching smile. Tits were about 34 or 35, perky and pert, and all natural (SHE was all natural -- well, maybe the hair was "tinted") Her bunda would have won Best in Show at 4X4 or Centaurus in Rio. Small landing strip on the front lower. LFK and, bu the end, DFK were on the menu.

I asked her to start with a massage (I was kinked up from the flight) She told me she was studying massage therapy at some local place, and it showed. For the first 10 minutes it was serious professional massage and then she began to sensualize it. By the time I flipped she had me in her clutches. She demonstrated some of her manipulative talents on my front side and then we went at it. She was a sweet and unforgetable experience. The BJ was covered (OK by me) and she loved the DATY - and was just delicious. I have never had a doggie view in my life such as I got that aternoon. And we finished in mish -- god she was good, and seemed to enjoy herself "almost" as much as I.

I returned early the following week at a time when I thought she would be there but she wasn't. Imprudently, I took an hour with Shaki (sp? She's subsequently gotten a bad review here, and while my expereince was not as bad as that, it wasn't inspiring. She tried to upsell me and her performance was about only a "6" pn the 10-scale. But in candor, just about anyone woould have fared no better since I had my beam on wanting Anna.

I called a few days later and, being assured that Anna was there, I high-tailed it over. Anna was indeed there and we had another fabulous hour. This time it was full out, Brazilian style. The BBBJ came along naturally and she got off and got off and got off on DATY. I could have been (almost) as happy just looking at her and giving her pleasure. Completo is not my thing, but it was certainly available. We finished in mish again and to watch her coming with me was -- well -- my best time ever in Brazil! Right there in beautiful downtown Rio!

Annais one nice lady and one terrific GFE experience. My ATF. Treat her well -she is a gem amongst agates, gentlemen. Damn, I wish I were still in be. A.

[El Grandote]

I have been slow to contribute my experiences so I will try and play catch-up. I went to Sante Fe 1707 today around 4 pm. I was presented 5 chicas, don' remember names. They were all attractive, three 7's and two 8's. I choose Florencia 5'5" dark hair and eyes. Very beautiful, except for the fake boobs, I am not a fan of implants (it's just me) The entrance fee for 1 hour was 100p for standard service and if you wanted servicio completo you have to negotiate with the chica. To start with Florencia had a great toned body and was smooth, great kisser (not DFK) but still great, she did a BBBJ (deep) She then rode me like an E ticket at Disneyland (for those of you old enough to know what I mean) I had to ask her to stop twice because it was to early to pop. By the way she really enjoys her work (big plus in my book) So then I took charge before she killed me, and I pounded her 6 ways till Sunday, I like it when they ask you to stop and give them a break (hey she did it to me first) All in all execellent experience, we have made arrangements to meet Thursday when she is free (not free as in price but available) My total output of pesos; 100p plus 70p propina.

Looks: 8 (very pretty face)

Body: 8 (even with fake boobs)

Servicio completo: 9 (around the world in 60 mins)

GFE: 8 (lots of attention and body kissing)

Repeat: Oh yeah! (Thursday's menu)

Chau,

Santiago

[Dickhead]

I screwed Flor and did not think her boobs were fake. Did she tell you that they were? She is very good.

[El Grandote]

She did not say they were fake but they were very hard. Maybe different Flor?

[Dickhead]

Rest of the description matches and this was only maybe six weeks ago. I may just have to go fuck her again for research purposes.

[Rock Harders]

Dickhead / El Grandote-

This "Florencia" is without a doubt the same "Florencia" that I slayed on my one and only trip to Santa Fe 1707 a couple weeks ago. As I stated in my report (read it) she admitted to me upon interrogation that the boobs were indeed fake (they are so rock hard and poorly done that nobody could deny they are surgically implanted)

Suerte,

Dirk Diggler

[Dickhead]

Now I see that it was much longer ago than I thought when I did her (time flies when you're having fun) so maybe she had the implants after I did her, based on DD's time line. Bummer. I sure didn't think she needed any improvement in that department.

WHY DO THESE CHICAS WANT TO GET THEIR TITS DONE WHEN THEY ARE FINE ALREADY? The Savage Beast now tells me that she wants to get hers done and they are such cute little/medium things. Sad.

[Hunt99]

WHY DO THESE CHICAS WANT TO GET THEIR TITS DONE WHEN THEY ARE FINE ALREADY? It's a question of money. They will make more money with big tits than they will with small or medium tits. It's that simple.