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Black Ayacucho & Alvear (in Recoleta) 4804-9652 / 9749
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Please notice that the name is singular, as in "Black", not "Black's". Over priced and over-regulated, and the only club that employes the "Drink Police" who will not let you talk to a chica for more than 2 minutes without insisting that you buy them a drink. Besides the idiotic rules (and there are several others), I'll never understand why anyone would willingly pay $200k for a $100k Mercedes meerly because the dealers lot was well stocked or the sales lady batted her eyelashes at you. Nevertheless, if you absolutely insist on paying idiot gringo prices ($100-$300USD), then please go here.
Update by Jackson on 3-5-04
I had a lengthy discussion recently with Daniel, the manager of Black, who advised me that they do not require that customers buy the girls a drink before the girls are permitted to discuss prices. I had the impression that this was a recent change in policy, but I did not press the point, it being sufficent enough for me that this onerous practice was no longer in effect.
Daniel further advised me that if I or any other Black customer was told by any Black staffer or a chica that there was a pre-discussion drink purchase requirement, that they should advise said staffer or chica of his comments, and if that didn't prove sufficent, then they shoud ask to speak directly with him.
Now, all this having been said, there is still nothing preventing the chica herself from refusing to discuss price until you buy her a drink.
To test this theory, myself and several experienced mongers visited Black a couple of nights ago with the specific intent of performng "price checks", which is a euphemsium for talking to chicas and getting some random quotes. All quotes were for one hour sessions. In discussions with 5 chicas, the various members received three final quotes for $200USD, one for $150USD, and one chica wouldn't discuss prices until she was purchased a drink.
No sign of the "drink police" on Sunday night. 25 peso entry fee, 5 pesos cheaper than Madahos. Chatted up a few women, but an earlier couple of visits to apartments earlier in the day limited my desire and made this more of a scouting mission than a pussy purchasing expedition.
Ratio was extremely favorable - Sunday is said to be slow, but there were probably 30 women and 5 guys there at 11pm. Selection varied 6-8 or so. I hesitate to be too specific because it was quite dark on Sunday night, so it´s hard to see exactly what you´re getting.
Funniest line I´ve heard in years was on Sunday night. Two blokes sat down at the next couch, started speaking in English. We got to chatting briefly, and I asked why they were in BsAs. Answer was "We´re here buying meat."
No shit Sherlock! :)
Anyway, turns out they were buyers for a British beef wholesaler who ships Grade A Argentine steaks back to Europe. But I am still laughing at the irony of the fellow´s description of what he was doing. :)
While I didn´t get any takeout, these two guys left with a couple of friendly girls, apparently the final price (if I overheard correctly) was 300 pesos.
BladeRunner
03-10-05, 03:26
I was at Black in December 2004. This was my second trip to BA and I spent a lot of time there. I found that Black is the place for 8-10's. Yes, I also found that they know that they are hot. I have only marginal spanish skills and my negotiations were not great. What I did was identify a couple of ladies which I was interested in and bought them both a drink together. Assuming I liked what I heard, I would tell them that tonight I wanted only one lady. I also said that I would not tell the other what they were charging me. I made it like a game and they would each whisper what they would do and for how much. In general, I paid from $250-300AR and each girl stayed many hours with very liberal services (bbbj, dfk, etc.). I am not sure if that is a good rate or not. I am by far from a discount buyer and only go for the cream.
I also met up with a couple of them later the next day and got on average a $100 AR discount. I kept one 18 year old (short slicked back hair, tall, and highly orgasmic) girl for almost 24 hours for $600AR (I think she was falling in "love"... yes I know it is an act).
I find that women in BA are not as mercenary as say ladies in Prague. If they find you nice and attractive, they will make concessions by staying longer or offering more services. Where as in Prague, they do not care.
Not sure if this post is useful, I am new at this and next time I will remember more names.
SFTraveller
04-09-05, 01:38
There is a 1 free pass to Black in the Argentips travellers guide that you could pick up free at most hotels. argentips.com.ar
when I entered Black I saw around 30 to 40 beautiful woman standing on the other side of the bar. I was told they wont approach you until you call them over to talk. And just about 8 guys and they were looking just like me.
2 drinks a coke and something else cost around 150 P.no Ladies drink were included. I would say most of them were 8,9, 10.
If you got the money and dont have the time to visit other places ,this is the place to go.
How well do they perform is another question.
You are paying for looks in Black.
Take a good long look and drink slowly.
Holy shit this place is expensive! I somewhat expected that because of its reputation, and also because when I was in Rio in February I noticed the prices had gone up there, but still I was shocked. Beers are 30 pesos. Drinks for the girls are 60-80 pesos. Entrance fee is (I think) 35 pesos which includes the first beer. Somehow you can get "invited" and not pay that, but I imagine then they charge you for your beer and it works out the same.
I got there Saturday night about 10:30, only a few people of course at that hour. As time goes on more girls show up and they more or less form a line opposite the bar and wait for you to get their attention, which is very easy because they are looking at you and smiling to encourage that. I do very much like this arrangement because you don't get hassled by girls you don't want, it's easy just to see what is available and then get it. And there really are many beautiful girls (and as always, many that are not).
I made the mistake of not bringing a credit card. I brought what I thought was sufficient cash, but that turned out to be wrong. There were two girls I wanted to chat up, to see if maybe one of them was to my liking, but due to the drink prices, I just chose one, Aldana, a young very thin platinum blonde. Normally I don’t go for such thin girls, but on her thinness looked really good, plus she had some boobage, perhaps largish b-cup, and perfect skin. So I bought her a drink (80 pesos). She said $300 USD is the normal rate but for me she would charge $200. She wanted to go to my hotel right away. I asked her how long she would spend, and she said 1 hour was the max. Kissing? She shrugged and said she doesn’t like. OK, I tell her I will pass, and she wants a tip for her time. Jesus Christ. I know many of you fellow mongers would tell her to go fuck herself, but I believe in trying to avoid creating bad karma with the locals, so I gave her 20 pesos.
After a couple more beers for me my cash supply dips below the point where I can afford a drink or a girl. I am busted already, and kicking myself. I spot a couple of guys who look like Americans at the bar, and while it wasn’t my intention to go bumming anything off them, I did feel like if I could start a conversation with some fellow mongers then at least I wouldn’t look so stupid being the guy sitting alone who is never going to cough up the money for a girl.
The two fellows were from Louisiana, and we hit it off right away (I’m from Texas). They were staying in the fancy hotel directly across the street from Black. These guys were true warriors. As they explained it to me, they arrived at 5:30 that morning and immediately gave the doorman $40 USD to send girls to their room, and had already gone through several in the course of the day. They said that the girls who came to their room all charged $100 USD/hr. They weren’t crazy about the fact that all the girls in Black were quoting $200.
I spent an hour or so of hanging out with them and offering my Spanish translation skills (I speak pretty fluent Spanish), and occasionally wandering over to a particular girl who I liked to try to negotiate a price for her to leave with me. Her name was Vanessa, and though she had the body of a model, I could see in her eyes and smile what I thought was just a trace of humanity. She told me repeatedly (but very courteously) that she could not even discuss a price unless I bought her a drink – house rules.
The guys were getting ansy to leave, they had both caved in to the high prices and picked out girls, and they invited me to follow them back to their hotel and even to buy me a girl. OK, that was great, but I had $200 in my hotel room, my problem was I still couldn’t even talk to Vanessa about going there. But I decided to follow them, because what the hell else was I going to do? I don' like sloppy seconds but I figured maybe they would just get the doorman to send for a girl for me.
On the way out the manager, Daniel, said hello to us and we began to chat with him. He spoke English fluently and seemed adept at handling mildy obnoxious drunk Americans. I decided this was my chance, and explained to him my situation. He said that it was not in fact a house rule that the girls couldn’t talk without the customer buying them a drink, but because Black only makes its money off the drinks, they do strongly encourage the girls to push the drinks. He asked me who I wanted, and I said Vanessa. “Oh, there are so many Vanessas!”. He went off and returned a few seconds later with a girl. “Is this her?” he asked. “No”, I said, “come on let’s take a walk”, and we went no more than a yards I bumped into my Vanessa, clumsily stepping on her toes, actually. Daniel spoke to her, and she followed me and we all got ready to leave, and out we went. Maybe Black is not so bad after all! (Thank you, Daniel! You are all right in my book!).
We got out on the street and one of my new friends turned around and said “You’re gonna share, right?”. Oops….I had no intention of sharing my sweet young Vanessa with them!!! That would be barbaric, in my mind at least. But problem solved, because now we are outside of the club, and Vanessa and I hop into a taxi and head to my hotel.
There was a slightly embarrassing moment when we got to my room and I counted my money and realized that actually I had a bit less than $200 USD. Yes, yes, I really do seem to have a problem with money management. I apologized and offered to give her a 100 pesos for her trouble if she wanted to leave immediately and return to Black, but she looked me in the eye and said (in Spanish, she doesn’t speak much English) “You are forgiven”, and took the money. What an angel.
And she was as sweet and wonderful as I had hoped. Shaved pussy, tan skin, model-like body (thin, but not too thin) with C-cup boobs that may have had a bit of silocone, but looked and felt great even if they did. She did a bit of uncovered BJ, then put the condom on for some more. She let me go down on her, which I really love. Then intercourse, massage, and pillow talk. Just what I was looking for. She gave me her phone number before she left and then I slept like a baby, content.
...So I bought her a drink (80 pesos). She said $300 USD is the normal rate but for me she would charge $200. She wanted to go to my hotel right away. I asked her how long she would spend, and she said 1 hour was the max. Kissing? She shrugged and said she doesn’t like. OK, I tell her I will pass, and she wants a tip for her time. Jesus Christ. I know many of you fellow mongers would tell her to go fuck herself, but I believe in trying to avoid creating bad karma with the locals, so I gave her 20 pesos.
...
She got you for $100.
Ouch, that's gotta hurt!
COME ON. This is bordering on the absurd.
COME ON. This is bordering on the absurd.
You are not getting an argument from me!
If anyone has suggestions on how to pay less at Black, I am all ears.
Daddy Rulz
05-01-05, 16:35
First I would never, ever give a chica money for talking to me. She's going to tell her friends (LCN) and next thing you know not only will you have to buy them a drink before they talk price they will expect a negotiating fee.
Black is an animal to itself, I don't think it's possible to get big discounts there. The Alvear is across the street and their clientel is almost exclusive VERY rich men on expence accounts. For the value monger this is NOT a stop on the trail. The good news is quality there has fallen greatly over the last couple years so who gives a fuck what they charge. I think a lot of their girls have goon to Europe where the money's better. I talked to a waitress about this last time I was there and she said that yes things had changed. The chica's who's pic was posted here would never have been allowed in the door years ago. No offence, she's pretty but not stunning. 2-3 years ago Black was like the playboy mansion.
My advice would be to go elsewhere, there are equaly beautiful women available for far less money. Leave this place to the fat and stupid. Gentleman we are traveling mongers , not tourists.
Black and Madahos aren't the ONLY clubs in Buenos Aires. Do a little competitive shopping.
Suerte,
Stowe
I agree with the recent advice on the board. The women in Black are no better on avaerage than what can be found in many other clubs such as Nuevo Estilo, Catto's etc. Look around and take your time. There are some great women in all of the clubs and you will be able to have 3 sessions with them for the cost of a single session with a woman from Black.
Jaimito Cartero
05-01-05, 22:14
I think the only way I would ever pull any chicas from Black would be if I came across some real good counterfeit money. :)
cab drivers told me this place is an absolute waste.
I firmly believe that in Buenos Aires more money does
not equal a better time. Actually, I think that is
true for many locations. I've never been dumb enough
to go in Blacks, so I won't make any further comments.
I guess I will always be a contrarian, but here is my experience with Black:
a world class bar with great entertainment (sometimes), and the most beautiful women in town
Doncha want to die broke?
Butts
I guess I will always be a contrarian, but here is my experience with Black: a world class bar with great entertainment (sometimes), and the most beautiful women in town
Doncha want to die broke?
ButtsI like it, too. It can be more expensive than other places, but the quality tends to be higher, too. When I spend US$1000 for a plane ticket for a week's vacation, why should I go crying if I end up spending US$200 for a session with a 9 from Black, instead of $100 for a 6 from Madaho? It's only money, and when you put it into perspective, not very much money, either.
You are not getting an argument from me!
If anyone has suggestions on how to pay less at Black, I am all ears.
Ask Macgoo.
http://www.argentinaprivate.com/forum/showpost.php?p=345963&postcount=53
Bandy
Daddy Rulz
05-02-05, 14:08
I don't think the pricing structure at Black affects the rest of the clubs. When I was a little bitty monger I used to overpay there as well. Over time I learned that while the median is higher there, the same quality can be found elsewhere for a fraction of the cost. It's your money and spend it as you will, when put in perspective though it's a shitload of money. This girl was 200 pesos two shots on goal and very affectionate. Equal to anything I've ever seen at Black.
I forgot to say, she was a semipro taken at the end of the month girl at Newport, late around 4:00am after being observed talking to three different tables of guys to no avail. When She sat down at a table by herself and kind of sighed I knew I could write my own deal. She said 300 for an hour and I said how about 200 until I'm done including bbbj, and that deal is good right now. Paid upon compleation and she still hung around for an hour after getting the money kissing cuddling and talking. Interesting girl, student of fashion design, pretty well traveled and exceptionaly talented. The only weird thing is while she would look at me while blowing me she closed her eyes tightly during intercourse, I'm sure she was thinking of somebody both handsomer and younger, but it seemed to work for her. Personally I would rather have her fucking me and thinking of somebody else than fucking somebody else and thinking of me.
Of course I could have nailed somebody at Black and paid 30 pesos to get in, 80 pesos for her drink and U$S200.00 for her instead of no cover, no drink and 200 pesos. Like I said it's your money, spend it as you will, Black doesn't effect the other clubs at all. Oh yes I forgot 5 additional pesos to get home and 10 pesos for an overpriced coffee and good propina for the chica that found me the table with a view of the action.
Having said all that, Newport is really not for beginers. There are A LOT of sharks there that will give you shitty service if you don't know how to fish for sharks. But equally hot girls can be found in apartments and the triangle for the same or less money.
Very nice. Thanks for the pix. :)
Moondog
I have had my best times in Newport, after hanging aroung Madahos (or Black) first for an hour or so
On my most recent trip, after doing a chick from Affaire, I walked over to Newport for a cool down beer. I met two chicas, who I made a date with for the next night; we went out to dinner at one of the Junin Strip restaurants in Recoleta, back to Apt
Made another date for the following night, they came by the Apt, one of the chicks brought her sister along, the four of us all went to dinner at Puerto Madera, back to Apt, they almost smothered me
Best strategy for Newport is to get there fairly early so the girls realize they can do you and get back to the bar for another trick. Gets very crowded after midnight
Doesn't mean I can't like Black (I do)
Butts
Daddy Rulz
05-03-05, 02:56
It's your money bubba, I'm not the one earning it. For all I care you could hand it out in the street and if that gives you joy I say start handing it out. I'm really not being sarcastic, your over 21 and earn it yourself. I would differ about the best time for Newport though, I prefer to go late as it's winding down, they are usually less rushed then. Also my normal hours are more in line with BsAs, awake until dawn, sleep until 11:00 so picking somebody up at 0400 is good for me.
I took a girl out of here, for 200 usd. I felt like she was worth it. A bonafide 9 on any mans scale, with a gorgeous face and professional dress and demeanor.
SobeLizzard
07-19-05, 17:34
There is no doubt that Blacks is the Mitchell Brothers of Argentina.
On a Tuesday thru Thursday night, you could find 15 to 20 girls that are solid 9's and 10's. Don't waste your time going to other places. Imagine that you can walk into Mitchell Brothers in San Francisco with 10,000 to burn.
Now imagine that you are in Blacks and the girls look like those at Mitchell Brothers except your 10,000 pesos is equivalent $3,330 USD. The hottest chick will cost you 900 pesos for 6 hours with multiples. The average chick will cost 500 pesos for 6 hours with multiples.
Once you go Black. You'll never go Back!
Jaimito Cartero
07-19-05, 20:05
Much better to get her phone number and meet her outside the club for 50% less.
There is no doubt that Blacks is the Mitchell Brothers of Argentina.
On a Tuesday thru Thursday night, you could find 15 to 20 girls that are solid 9's and 10's. Don't waste your time going to other places. Imagine that you can walk into Mitchell Brothers in San Francisco with 10,000 to burn.
Now imagine that you are in Blacks and the girls look like those at Mitchell Brothers except your 10,000 pesos is equivalent $3,330 USD. The hottest chick will cost you 900 pesos for 6 hours with multiples. The average chick will cost 500 pesos for 6 hours with multiples.
Once you go Black. You'll never go Back!
EZE_Amante
07-19-05, 20:24
I believe that all the posters here who acutally believe the quality is better in Black, and worth 3 times as much as the girls I normally see, should frequent that establishment exclusively, and drink alot while you are there by the way, because the Glenlivet there is better than anywhere else I'm sure. It is certainly your money, and you should over spend as you see fit. Also, make sure you spend plenty of time in Madahos and Shampoo as they are equally friendly to gringos with their pricing structure. I'm certain if you shell out enough benjamins, you will get really good service. Now the 2 girls I know that work in Black, charge me much less than 100 dollars, but I'm sure they save the good service for you guys.
Please avoid places like Hook, Cattos, Jaz, Ness, Envidia etc. The girls there are all very ugly, nasty, fat, did I say ugly, and smell really bad too. And some of them are not nice even. There are absolutely no gems to be found outside the big three, so please keep paying in dollars at Black.
Also, avoid the apartments by all means, they all have really terrible girls too with really fat bodies, as evidenced by the pic of one below.
EZE:)
Can you say "Drip. Drip"!
Well put amigo!
Punter 127
07-20-05, 18:05
I believe that all the posters here who acutally believe the quality is better in Black, and worth 3 times as much as the girls I normally see, should frequent that establishment exclusively, and drink alot while you are there by the way, because the Glenlivet there is better than anywhere else I'm sure. It is certainly your money, and you should over spend as you see fit. Also, make sure you spend plenty of time in Madahos and Shampoo as they are equally friendly to gringos with their pricing structure. I'm certain if you shell out enough benjamins, you will get really good service. Now the 2 girls I know that work in Black, charge me much less than 100 dollars, but I'm sure they save the good service for you guys.
Please avoid places like Hook, Cattos, Jaz, Ness, Envidia etc. The girls there are all very ugly, nasty, fat, did I say ugly, and smell really bad too. And some of them are not nice even. There are absolutely no gems to be found outside the big three, so please keep paying in dollars at Black.
Also, avoid the apartments by all means, they all have really terrible girls too with really fat bodies, as evidenced by the pic of one below.
EZE:)EZE_Amante,
I agree 100% , but I have question about the photo, name & number, name & number PLEASE! Because I love fat chicas like that!
Aramis Col
07-21-05, 20:03
I agree too with the opinions. Blacks is too much expensive for the "product", it offers. If you are going to pay 400 Pesos or more, the girl should be enough beauteful for you. About this, of course is a subjectiv opinion, but I have found pretty girls in Pampa (like Yanina, Greta or Nicol gone to Spain) or in Salome (Sabrina or Yanina)
Regards
Let me offer my personal observations:
1. If you are able to negotiate well with chicas, prices in Black in my experience aren't much different from other choices like Madahos. If you will say yes to whatever first price the girl quotes, this isn't the place for you. If you are in town just for a couple nights of mongering, or on business and just want to get laid for the evening, this place is a good choice because the real cost to you is going to be low compared to what you're used to paying, and the selection is going to be higher than in the other places in town (see point 3) As always, YMMV.
2. If you want to hang out, relax, view the flora and fauna, Black is a great place in contrast to the Microcentro clubs. In my experience no chicas will try to pickpocket you or bother you (unless you call them over) I've never been given counterfeit change, and have used my credit card here without being ripped off. Prices for drinks tend to be a bit higher than other places, but in part you are paying for ambience and being left alone. To be honest, depending on your nationality, the prices go up and down regularly at some of the more notorious clip joints in town. In my experience, here they've always been straight. And since I don't like pushy chicas hanging themselves all over me while I survey the scene, I don't like the vibe of Hooks or Cattos in comparison to this place. YMMV.
3. It is intangible and subject to personal preference, but I do think the chicas in Black are in general better looking than in any other club. But as Jackson says, "you don't need them all to be a 10, you just need 1 to be a 10." So YMMV.
4. Every one of the girls working Black will to my knowledge see you during the day at a discount to the price you will pay going out of the place. Collect info on the better looking ones, or provide them with your phone number and tell them to call you. YMMV.
Hi Hunt,
Excellent synopsis, and it's actually a strict house rule in Black that the chicas cannot approach you unless you invite them.
BTW, the exact quote is "You don't need a room full of 10's, you only need one."
Thanks,
Jackson
EZE_Amante
07-22-05, 18:28
I met the girl in an apartment on Tucuman I believe, but she no longer works there. She sent me an email recently to let me know she is working somewhere else, and is listed as Candelaria, I believe, or Candela, something like that, on Platynum. She does not have a cell phone, and lives with her parents, so I am only able to call her after 10pm BA time, and I'm not at liberty to give out her number. Anyway, the pics on the site will narrow it down for you.
Hunt99,
You make some valid points, to each his own I guess. I'm sure I have not spent as much time in Black as others have, but I've made several visits, and I have in general had a better time with girls I've pulled from the smaller, cheaper clubs. I do like the "no approach" rule, and the ambiance is ok too. But, there are so many other options in BA, that going to Black or Madahos seems like a waste of my money.
EZE:)
After reviewing Madahos and Newport, I went there. Ar$30 the entrance.
I saw many beautiful girls, but not necessarily better looking that those at Catto's, for instance (just 25% were clearly superior, but the remaining, just average) They are better produced and dressed with more class. Prices for chica drinks start at ar$60.
As mentioned before, chicas don't approach you unless you invite them.
I saw only one girl that was absolutely gorgeous (to my standards) may come bask later during the week.
Hope this helps,
Andres
Aramis Col
08-16-05, 22:46
Dear Benito,
Blacks is like that, the girls are just crazy.
Regards
Saturday, the quality has sunken to all time lows. But I will bet the prices have not fallen. A chica once ask me for $600! Dollars, not pesos! I am more emphatic than Andres. Avoid.I went Friday and left with nothing twice (at 11:00pm and 1:30am) It is sad to say but its really bad.
Last October I took a girl out that looked like Avril Lavine. Where is she!
Party BMW
Last October I took a girl out that looked like Avril Lavine. Where is she!She's sitting under my desk right this second, blowing me.
She's sitting under my desk right this second, blowing me.She was really goood at that.
Get her number!
Below are two chicas taken out of Black on separate nights, each time just before closing. The first (black hair) was chosen because she gave me the most prolonged stares, and looked pretty hot. As I have said before, I like Black because the girls do not approach unless invited. These girls show their interest (in your wallet) by strutting, staring or in some cases sitting near you.
The next time I returned, this black haired chica (don't recall her name) started telling her buddies something about me, just not sure what. But soon the cutest chica (9) in the joint starts to give me eye contact and prance about seeking my interest. After motioning her over, I soon realized she wanted me to spend (through away) money buying her drinks. Regrettably, I gently pushed her away and suggested that there are a few others that may enjoy her company. While it certainly wasn't my intent, this cutie was embarrassed by the rejection, I am certain that she'll recover in no time. After this incident, I quickly selected the Blonde named Magy (pictured below) with little due diligence, and left. That was a mistake.
As a side note, each time I left Black and was hailed a taxi, the driver neglected to turn on the meter. I was hosed the first time, but subsequently I demanded a meter price. Beware of this ploy.
Rule number one: If you go to black, don't get caught up buying drinks for the chicas, it could be costly. I suspect these girls earn some type of commission for getting fools err. Gentlemen to buy them drinks all night. Frankly, my policy on Black is to minimize the number of minutes I spend inside.
I have this clock, purchased in Singapore, that allows me to speed-up or slow-down the time displayed in increments / decrements of 15 minutes. Otherwise, the clock works like any other. Suspecting that Black girls are mostly clock watchers, I set my clock to indicate, for example, 1 hour when in fact the true elapsed time is 1 ½ hour. Next, I position the clock in the most conspicuous location in the room. By the time the clock watcher realizes that the time is wrong, they've already spent more than an hour. Oops!
Hey macgoo how much for the black hair girl? She is right up my alley.
She looks like the kind that will fuck all night.
I usually negoitate with them to meet me the next day at my hotel for a lot less. It does not work with all of them but with some.
Good pictures.
Fellow dog
Out for Flesh
09-04-05, 16:01
I have this clock, purchased in Singapore, that allows me to speed-up or slow-down the time displayed in increments / decrements of 15 minutes. Otherwise, the clock works like any other. Suspecting that Black girls are mostly clock watchers, I set my clock to indicate, for example, 1 hour when in fact the true elapsed time is 1 ½ hour. Next, I position the clock in the most conspicuous location in the room. By the time the clock watcher realizes that the time is wrong, they've already spent more than an hour. Oops!That's certainly amusing. Don't you fear the girls' wrath?
I have this clock, purchased in Singapore, that allows me to speed-up or slow-down the time displayed in increments / decrements of 15 minutes. Otherwise, the clock works like any other. Suspecting that Black girls are mostly clock watchers, I set my clock to indicate, for example, 1 hour when in fact the true elapsed time is 1 ½ hour. Next, I position the clock in the most conspicuous location in the room. By the time the clock watcher realizes that the time is wrong, they've already spent more than an hour. Oops!Macgoo, you are a true Playah! I need one of those watches. Any online sites selling them? That watch could save thousands.
PM,
It is actually a clock that I have had for over twenty years. Consequently, I cannot make any suggestion where to find it today; internet or otherwise.
OFF,
Surprisingly, at no time have I experienced a chica that scolded me for having the "wrong" time. Of course I never share with them how the clock actually works. It is their responsibility to keep track of time, so that requires them to refer to their own time piece. As we all know, some chicas refer to their time more often than others. This is just my way of helping them out!
Went on Friday night around 1 for a half hour. The place was reasonably busy. Most chicas were not that hot, but a few of them were. Something to work with. I met one who looked classy, and turned out to speak fluent English. Said she was studying to be a lawyer. If we had lawyers like that in the US, people would not hate that profession as much. Got her number and plan on having dinner.
On the downside, they are really aggressive about selling drinks, and chica drinks are 65, an outrage!
"Said she was studying to be a lawyer."
Snicker.I will administer an exam tonight.
"Most chicas were not that hot."
Impossible. Only 10s and 11s in Black.Maybe we work with different scales. I'm from Los Angeles. Very high standard there.
Hey guys.
Let's set a new mongers standard for blacks. When you pull a black's chica for more than US100 you need to post a picture. Identifying them will keep the rest of us from wasting our time. Think of it as a quality management service.
From the photos posted of the chicas from Blacks, I don't see why the prices are in the US200 range. Maybe US100 at the most.
Hey guys.
Let's set a new mongers standard for blacks. When you pull a black's chica for more than US100 you need to post a picture. Identifying them will keep the rest of us from wasting our time. Think of it as a quality management service.
From the photos posted of the chicas from Blacks, I don't see why the prices are in the US200 range. Maybe US100 at the most.My "lawyer" chica came over for the dinner date. Wanted 300US. I sent her home. Ridiculous! She was about a 7, although closer to 9 last night when it was dark and I may have had some beer goggles.
Guys.
The girls in Blacks are by far the hottest in Buenos Aires.
I went in there and could barely speak to anyone because the girls were so hot.
I got a girl out for 440 pesos. I felt that it wasnt a bad deal because I hear most girls in there won't really go below 600 pesos.
It is expensive in there but worth it in my opinion.
Daddy Rulz
11-27-05, 14:26
Hey guys.
Let's set a new mongers standard for blacks. When you pull a black's chica for more than US100 you need to post a picture. Identifying them will keep the rest of us from wasting our time. Think of it as a quality management service.
From the photos posted of the chicas from Blacks, I don't see why the prices are in the US200 range. Maybe US100 at the most.All in favor?
All in favor?Marak5,
OK no pictures and pay 2 to 3 times the going rate must mean you have a problem with telling the truth, your stupid, or you have a 2 inch dick!
My vote 2 incher.
Marak5
OK no pictures and pay 2 to 3 times the going rate must mean you have a problem with telling the truth, your stupid, or you have a 2 inch dick!
My vote 2 incher.Maybe you should posts pictures of the women you've supposedly pulled from Black for a 1/2 or 1/3 of $440 pesos that Marak5 paid. I think we're all dying to see what you'd get for $150 - 220 pesos from Black. Probably not much.
I think what Marak5 paid is not unreasonable for Black and certainly not outrageous, since the chica's start quoting prices in hundreds of US dollars.
I've been reading all the posts about the clubs, and went o blacks last night with collegues. Got ripped for the drink, but pulled out a gorgeous girl for 300 AR. Still expensive regarding the posts of other clubs, but simple and exciting for first try. No pics tho, sorry.
Kc Questor
11-30-05, 02:05
Marak5 doesn't really seem to care what he pays. This is a post he made on the Las Vegas forums on USASexGuide. The funny thing is that the thread is about scams and ripoff joints.
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=397515&postcount=44
I had just turned 21 and got super drunk and told the cabbie to take me somewhere. He took me to this place in like a strip mall and a black girl greeted me and asked what I wanted. I just looked at her so she brought me back. I had just won like 400 dollars so I had a lot of cash. I paid 250 dollars for a hand job. It wasn't really my money anyway so I have no regrets.
Desperado999
11-30-05, 20:40
I think I will go there tonight and offer $US600 for an hour to see how many taker I will get! LOL then I give them my monopoly money!
SobeLizzard
12-01-05, 23:52
I've been reading all the posts about the clubs, and went o blacks last night with collegues. Got ripped for the drink, but pulled out a gorgeous girl for 300 AR. Still expensive regarding the posts of other clubs, but simple and exciting for first try. No pics tho, sorry.Do you remember the name of the girl you dated at Blacks?
SobeLizzard
12-01-05, 23:54
Geri Blonde.
Barbie Blonde.
Pamela Blonde.
Annalia Brunette
Do you remember the name of the girl you dated at Blacks?Either Venus or Diane. Tiny, Peruvian girl. Highly recommended!
Maybe you should posts pictures of the women you've supposedly pulled from Black for a 1/2 or 1/3 of $440 pesos that Marak5 paid. I think we're all dying to see what you'd get for $150 - 220 pesos from Black. Probably not much.
I think what Marak5 paid is not unreasonable for Black and certainly not outrageous, since the chica's start quoting prices in hundreds of US dollars.400 is on the lower end in Blacks. Most girls start out at 200usd or 600 pesos and won't go below it if you are old.
Personally I believe you get what you pay for. There is a marked difference between the girls that charge that much at Blacks, compared to the girls that charge 300 pesos at Madahos, compared to the girls who charge 200 pesos in Affaire. The less you pay, the uglier the girls. Some guys think any girl under 25 is hot so are fine with patronizing clubs like the triangle. I thought the girls in the triangle were really ugly.
The cheapskates on this board can blow me.
Marak5 doesn't really seem to care what he pays. This is a post he made on the Las Vegas forums on USASexGuide. The funny thing is that the thread is about scams and ripoff joints.Ok, why did you take that completely out of context? Yes, the first time I was in Vegas, several months after my 21st, birthday, I got ripped off. That was the whole point of that thread and the reason I shared my story. You also deleted out the first part of my post and the other post I responded to. So yes, I do care what I pay.
Thankfully I have since found the internationalsexguide forums and found out how to squeeze the absolutely optimal amount out of every last single penny to my name. NOT!
You guys are so damn cheap that it's pathetic. In Blacks, you pay more. At this point I pretty much know the exact price in every club and that's what I pay. Either you just cannot afford to spend that much or you can and are just really cheap, either way it's annoying that all these guys ***** when someone spends a little money. Spending 400 pesos in Black is not PISSING IN THE POND because that's a pretty average to low price in Blacks. If I was spending that much in the Triangle then I would see why guys would be upset.
I've said this before but I have never seen a group of guys that is so cheap in my life. The amount of time you all spend arguing over the difference between 100 or 120 or 150 or 300 pesos is absolutley mind boggling to me.
400 is on the lower end in blacks. Most girls start out at 200usd or 600 pesos and won't go below it if you are old.
Personally I believe you get what you pay for. There is a marked difference between the girls that charge that much at blacks, compared to the girls that charge 300 pesos at Medahos, compared to the girls who charge 200 pesos in Affaire. The less you pay, the uglier the girls. Some guys think any girl under 25 is hot so are fine with patronizing clubs like the triangle. I thought the girls in the triangle were really ugly.
The cheapskates on this board can blow me.Marak5 as usual you are deadass wrong. I havent been to Black for years and I only live 2-3 blocks away. I am not a cheapskate, but I do like quality. I find girls for 30 pesos that are much hotter than that shit in Blacks. I wouldnt have a problem paying more at Blacks if there was a correponding increase in quality (zero or decrease IMO) but there isnt. Blacks is a name and a ripoff and thats all. BTW I really doubt that most chicas give a fuck how old / ugly / fat you are as long as the money is green.
LOL! Marak. I've only been on this forum a very short time and it didn't take me long to reach the conclusions you've posted.
Who the hell cares anyway. Why waste your typing senses. What some folks fail to realize is that what feels like $100 to some only feels like $1 to others.
I personally wouldn't give a rats ass what others have to say about what we spend. After all is said and done, BA is still damn cheap - even Blacks! And if some of us spend so much that we drive prices up and make it unaffordable for others (which I doubt would happen considering the number of working women in BA) then even better. At least the half decent looking women will be more expensive to the average "monger" and less used when the "suits" and "sharks" roll into town.
So. Screw 'em. Live life dude!
P.S.. Moore... I'd venture to take an educated guess based on some of the stories some girls tell me that they actually do care. If someone were to have you name your price, I bet your price would be higher if someone told you to screw granny with messed up teeth versus Kim Bassinger!
Or maybe not. Who am I to judge your taste in women. :)
The problem is that many mongers live there permanently, and unless you have a significant stream of income, you cannot spend ar$300 per day in chicks.
It's in all mongers' interest keeping prices as low as possible, because otherwise girls will start asking more and more, providing very little to those who offer the same as usual without necessarily providing good service to those increasing their offers.
Andres.
I personally wouldn't give a rats ass what others have to say about what we spend. After all is said and done, BA is still damn cheap - even Blacks! And if some of us spend so much that we drive prices up and make it unaffordable for others (which I doubt would happen considering the number of working women in BA) then even better. At least the half decent looking women will be more expensive to the average "monger" and less used when the "suits" and "sharks" roll into town.
Kim Bassinger or an ugly granny - I dont see any difference and wouldnt charge a different price.
Regarding the chicas here, I have not EVER heard of chicas discounting or augmenting prices at places where prices are clearly standardized. IMOAE, these kind of places have the best girls anyway.
But hey, why bother mentioning this, if youre a ElvisCostello/BuddyHolly stud like Marak5 you can pay 10 times what the old ugly farts pay and be proud of it.
Ahh. You see? $300pesos a day is nothing more than what I spend in an average dinner for two nighly here - and I do so just about every night since I don't cook and rarely eat alone (remember what I posted earlier - money is relative) Considering how much I spend on entertainment in the US, Argentina is a bargain for people in similar positions as myself no matter how you slice it.
Personally. I would prefer driving prices up on the higher quality women to a level that "budget people" would consider expensive and unattainable thereby having nice looking girls that are less used and abused. There are, after all, different classes of "mongers" as well. The budget conscious can keep the low budget girls that have a hard time finding toothpaste and a bathtub. It's a matter of time before a hot looking (and clean) working girl realizes her true monetary potential / worth anyway.:)
By the way. I have a home in Argentina (and another under construction in Carlos Paz) so I understand the cost of living there quite well. While I enjoy visiting and spending ample time in the country I was born in, I personally wouldn't want to live there. I prefer my home and lifestyle in California much more.
And since Moore obviously doesn't care what he's putting his dick into, I'm certain he wouldn't mind the budget women. They're in his price range and they all feel the same. See? There's a market for everyone.
Justmoi,
You are full of bullshit. Please do try to impress the working class California girls with this petty nonsense but spare us. Argentina is a great place for you to claim that you have multiple mansions because most of them have never heard of it.
Hardly full of BS. But it is interesting to note how quickly defensive you get when confronted with the reality that you can't afford much more than bargain basement hookers. Poor thing.
I don't understand where I led you to believe I was trying to impress anyone, least of all you. I have made several truthful facts so the respondent understands where I am coming from. My homes in Cordoba are far from mansions. I have a place in Nueva Cordoba because I frequent my city of birth quite a lot since I have a lot of family there. I am under construction in Carlos Paz because I fell in love with the area (far from a mansion since the house there is only roughly 2400 sq feet). No sense in me owning mansions in Argentina since they would be VACANT 8-9 months out of the year. My home in L.A. would more than likely come close to your "mansion" proportions though since I LIVE there. And in L.A., as in Argentina or any other place, I wouldn't have to blurt out any verbiage to impress. If I was truly out to impress anyone, I could find more prudent methods of doing so. So, please... spare ME the easy cop out of defending your own inferiority complex with the "you're full of bullshit" line. Surely you could have come back with something more meaningful. Dig deep!
I'm 6'2", love hiking and long walks on the beach. I enjoy spending hours watching daytime soaps.
Justmoi,
Reading your posts forces the conclusion upon me that you are an arrogant, egocentric bastard who never in his life learned the difference between style and throwing around money by the truckload.
OK, you can afford to pay a hooker twice the money you would pay to a lawyer in the same city (partner to a renowned firm) Me too - but I would not do it, for several reasons. They boild down to a) I don't consider it worth it, and be) I can get the same commodity at a far better price.
The same goes for a lot of other things. Like you, I can afford flyíng business - but I usually don't do it, because I don't consider the moderately better service worth the considerably higher price. And like you, I can afford expensive meals - but I only get them if I am in the mood and the quality of the restaurant's cuisine justifies the price and not only the fact that you are seen in that place by the "right" people. I could not care less.
If you consider this cheap, thanks, then I am a cheap guy and proud of it. I would rather call it economically reasonable behaviour.
And good luck on your intention to corner the Argentine chica market. Bunker Hunt years ago failed on silver. You will fail on pussy.
Happy mongering, and I suggest you do it in LA or Vegas, where the money you want to spend is easily and without hesitation taken. Leave BA to us cheapies.
El Alemán.
@ Jackson: If you consider this flame and inappropriate, I hope you will forgive me.
In general I agree with Justmoi and Marak5, although not with the way in which they said it.
This quote stands out as the kernel of truth in this thread:
See? There's a market for everyone.There tends to be a big increase in outward quality in Black, compared to other establishments. Also a big increase in price.
Which brings me to another post which I also find a kernel of truth in:
many mongers live there permanently, and unless you have a significant stream of income, you cannot spend ar$300 per day in chicksWhile this is true for our resident posters, it isn't true for many visitors. Spending US$200 on a chick from Black is pocket change when you figure you have a week's time and have spent US$1000 on a plane ticket, a US$200 on a hotel room, et cetera.
Hunt99. You'd make a good ambassador! LOL!:)
Aleman - I wouldn' call you cheap. I'd call you thrifty or frugal. And I didn't take your post as a flame so why would it get deleted.
Arrogant? Yes, I am somewhat arrogant, confident, realistic. I am not as frugal as you when it comes to what I consider menial expenses. I AM as frugal as you when it comes to expenses such as say purchasing a new home, investing in someone's new business, real estate, etc. My boundaries of where I exhert my frugalness are different.
I fly buiness or first class because I enjoy sleeping most of the flight (I've tried flying to Argentina coach once - never again) Why subject one's self to that if one doesn't have to! And am it's what I typically fly in the states. It's more than just the convenience of the aircraft and if you've flown it enough you would understand.
I've seen the threads around here where people bicker over spending $50 pesos more on a girl than someone else would. Or getting flamed for tipping a girl $50 pesos. Give me a break. Tipping a girl $50 pesos or spending $50 pesos or even $100 pesos more than the poor local thnks she is worth is meaningless to most tourists visiting. Why would I care whether a girl quotes me $200US or $200 pesos? If *I* feel she is worth the $200US, then "here's the money honey". I'm not going to sit there and negotiate over a menial sum. I'm paying what I feel she is worth to ME, not to some "frugal monger".
Sorry if I help ruin it for local "mongers". But quite generally, I could really care less about the "mongers" since I have little to no respect for them as far as "mongering" goes (don't mistake that for me having little respect for them as people in general) All they would lose is the ability to pay for sex. Hmmmm. Does that mean they'd have to resort to crime to get their fix? If you want to get down to an exaggerated extreme. People like us that "overpay" for services in Argentina are helping the economy. We influx money into the system.
So I feel good about overpaying knowing I am helping reinvigerate an economy which in turn will bring back growth (LOL - my contributions to society are endless)! We all lead our lives in different fashions, styles, classes, etc etc. I appreciate you "allowing" me to the country I was born in and allowing me to spend my disposable income as I see fit.
PS You are far from where my intent lies. It's not to corner the chica market. YOu "frugals" can have all the chics you desire at rock bottom prices. Just leave the best looking ones to those like myself that are willing to pay for it. See? It's nothing more than a separation of classes. If the chicas knew of a working place where they would receive top dollar (and the management was selective in whom they chose to work there), and had the right patrons, etc. I think it would be safe to say that the hottest chicas would want to work there, and since they would be a minority amongst the masses. You'd still have plenty of chicas to go around the "frugal" community. So see? In the end, no harm no foul. You'd just be out an insiginificant number of hot chicas which you probaby wouldn't have otherwised "frugaled" anyway.
Thomaso276
12-09-05, 14:14
Buenos Aires has a market for everyone. I totally agree. I can understand the "new rich" spending away. What bugs me are the 21 year old students who spend away. It is very likely they have not earned their money at such a young age and are relying on family money to further their travels. Come on, how many college or law school students travel the world. I would think most of them are home studying so they can pass the BAR (I know my brother did) Silver spoon stuff. I wonder what Mother and Father would say if they knew where the allowance for travelling abroad was truly going!
Guys who have been successful, worked hard and prospered can spend their money any way they want. However, as with Ivy League types in the States, I believe many of them have been born into situations where success is guaranteed, despite abilities or effort. Like the students in "Scent of a Woman" some will always be rich despite themselves. Blue Bloods and society types can kiss my ass. They have money because their families give it to them.
Watch the show " Rich Kids " about celebritie's kids on a cattle drive and you will get an idea of what I mean. Upper crust, spoiled, lacking any common sense brats who are brought down to earth in an interesting reality show.
For those of you who are successful with only a reasonable amount of help from family you deserve congratulations. Their is a difference between being cheap and understanding the value of hard earned money. Old Man Rockefeller was cheap, his kids were simply rich.
Remember, it is not what you make, it is what you spend.
Rock Harders
12-09-05, 16:43
First of all, it is almost beyond dispute to all those who truly know and understand the way things work in Buenos Aires that Black is essentially a tourist trap. Paying $200 USD in Black is the same as paying $20 USD for a hamburger at trendy resturant- ridiculously overpriced with no appreciable gain in real quality. I have been in Black and many other of Buenos Aires other most famous chica meat markets and I can honestly say that the poon tang in Black really is not particularly outstanding. Further proof of the ripoff nature of Black pricing is that MANY of the girls that are unable to reel in an ill informed tourist in Black go to Cocodrilo late night to work and go for the same prices as all the other girls in Cocodrilo- $200 AR or less. I have recently been in Black and Cocodrilo on the same night and saw no less than 5 Black girls working in Cocodrilo at 5 AM. On the contrary, if you really don't give a fuck about money, and just want to go to one place to find a hot chica to spend the night with regardless of price, you will find find good looking girls there, but you will be paying 3x what you could get that same for at different establishment. However, I feel that Black really operates in a bubble all its own, as it functions extensively as a tentacle of the Alvear Palace and the Four Seasons, and therefore does not cause inflation at other places, as the girls at Black know they are ripping off ignorant or lazy foreigners and could not get away with that at other places.
Dirk
Black is essentially a tourist trap. So the 75% of the patrons who are Portenos in Black are all tourists?
Paying $200 USD in Black is the same as paying $20 USD for a hamburger at trendy resturant- ridiculously overpriced with no appreciable gain in real quality. A ground sirloin hamburger costs more than a McDonalds hamburger. You might not be able to value the difference, but perhaps others can? If we don't all eat Big Macs, why should we all want to swim in the shallow end of the gene pool?
I have been in Black and many other of Buenos Aires other most famous chica meat markets and I can honestly say that the poon tang in Black really is not particularly outstanding. This is a matter of opinion; I've also been in just about every house of ill repute in Buenos Aires, and my opinion is that the poontang on display at Black is usually better than anywhere else in town.
Further proof of the ripoff nature of Black pricing is that MANY of the girls that are unable to reel in an ill informed tourist in Black go to Cocodrilo late night to work and go for the same prices as all the other girls in Cocodrilo- $200 AR or less. I have recently been in Black and Cocodrilo on the same night and saw no less than 5 Black girls working in Cocodrilo at 5 AM. I'll go you one better - you can get many Black girls to spend time with you during daylight hours for half (or less) than what you'd spend at Midnight at Black. However, who amongst us really wants to stay up until 8:00 a.m. So that we can capitalize on the "Crocodillo discount"? Surely some of us. But probably not most.
However, I feel that Black really operates in a bubble all its own, as it functions extensively as a tentacle of the Alvear Palace and the Four Seasons, and therefore does not cause inflation at other places. As the girls at Black know they are ripping off ignorant or lazy foreigners It's no "ripoff" when somebody willingly spends 200 bucks or some such amount for a couple hours with a girl who compares with SI swimsuit models. Plenty of those types in Black. Not all of them, of course. And again you neglect the fact that most Black patrons are indeed locals. Probably not the same locals you see in some dingy bar in Flores, but locals nonetheless.
Rock Harders
12-09-05, 20:25
I will grant you some of your points, however overall I do not agree with most of your assessment. You are accurate in saying that a good number of Argentines do frequent Black and several other of the finer houses of iniquity in Buenos Aires. HOWEVER, I'd bet my bile duct that NONE of them ever paid anywhere near the $200 USD level often seen in Black and some other places. For the most part, and I think most foreign mongers would agree, the Argentines that we see in these clubs are mainly window shopping, having a drink or two and enjoying the eye candy. Next, when I made that hamburger analogy, it wasnt meant to be literal-nevertheless- if you want to compare hamburgers- you can't compare a $2 USD Big Mac to a $20 hamburger, as one is dog meat and the other comes from a cow. What I was refering to is the $6.50 USD hamburger youde get at your local sportsbar, which is just as big and good as anything youde pay for at some trendy restaurant where some fag in the kitchen massages the meat before he throws it on the grill.
You illustrate my point exactly about there being no need to overpay for the poontang at Black- they are available for half the cost (or less) whether during the day or late night at Cocodrilo- so why would anyone pay the retard price during the night at Black? As for the quality of the girls in Black being near SI swimsuit models- get fucking real- I don't know if you have ever seen any of the SI swimsuit models in person, but none of the girls I have seen at Black could measure up to the true 10's that are the SI swimsuit models.
On a more concillitory (sp) note, Id like to say that I am not trying to insult anybody personally here, just trying to break the IMO ridiculous stigma of quality that surrounds Black, and to help others make the right moves to score the hottest poontang at the best price. Black does have some value in that if you are not interested in actually shagging the girls, and just want to look and bullshit around, or have someone else buying your drinks, or any combination thereof, Black might not be a bad stop.
Dirk
Chica tastes obviously vary. I see 100 fresh, natural, voluptous girls a day on the streets in Recoleta and would have no problem paying them US$1000 for a shag on the spot. Occasionally I get to shag them for a few dinners instead. I often find working girls like this in more obscure places such as provincia, unknown private apts, etc. And their prices are generally low, although that is not the deciding factor. I didnt see girls like this in Blacks. I do remember seeing silicon, bones, surgically inflated lips, heavy makeup, ratted out dyed blond hair, etc. No thanks, not even for free. Like many other people, I have found that theres not much relation between price and quality in Argentina and that sometimes the relation is inverse. Some of the best meals Ive had here were at the cheapest restaurants in Monserrat and Ive had shitty ones in Puerto Madero.
PS Justmoi, I'm sure that many of us, myself included, could write about 5star hotels that we use, first class flights we take, property that we own, money that we regularly drop, etc. But nobody gives a fuck about that. Perhaps you are obsessed with making statements about this because you need to compensate for other "SHORTcomings". Go to nearby Vegas, pay a hooker US$5000 that only asks $500, and she will forgive you for your shortcomings. And, by paying 10x the price, you obviously will have improved the general market for everyone.
In that case, I cannot understand your comment about what other people say or think about prices.
It is clear that Black is and perhaps will always be an expensive place, but your comment didn't seem to be limited to Black.
Andres.
Ahh. You see? $300pesos a day is nothing more than what I spend in an average dinner for two nighly here - and I do so just about every night since I don't cook and rarely eat alone (remember what I posted earlier - money is relative) Considering how much I spend on entertainment in the US, Argentina is a bargain for people in similar positions as myself no matter how you slice it.
Personally. I would prefer driving prices up on the higher quality women to a level that "budget people" would consider expensive and unattainable thereby having nice looking girls that are less used and abused. There are, after all, different classes of "mongers" as well. The budget conscious can keep the low budget girls that have a hard time finding toothpaste and a bathtub. It's a matter of time before a hot looking (and clean) working girl realizes her true monetary potential / worth anyway.:)
By the way. I have a home in Argentina (and another under construction in Carlos Paz) so I understand the cost of living there quite well. While I enjoy visiting and spending ample time in the country I was born in, I personally wouldn't want to live there. I prefer my home and lifestyle in California much more.
And since Moore obviously doesn't care what he's putting his dick into, I'm certain he wouldn't mind the budget women. They're in his price range and they all feel the same. See? There's a market for everyone.
If you care less about the "mongers", why do you post here? It seems that mongers aren't worth consideration when they speak up their points of view but they are so when you can extract some good info from them (otherwise, why reading this forum?
Sorry if I help ruin it for local "mongers". But quite generally, I could really care less about the "mongers" since I have little to no respect for them as far as "mongering" goes (don't mistake that for me having little respect for them as people in general)Mongering by foreigners is a marginal contribution to the Argentine economy.
Andres.
So I feel good about overpaying knowing I am helping reinvigerate an economy which in turn will bring back growth (LOL - my contributions to society are endless)
Thanks Andres,
I don't know why visitors to BA think that they somehow "control" the market. One of the things that's nice about BA is that for the most part the scene here is setup to serve the needs of the Argentinos, not the tourists. My guess is that tourists don't account for more than a few percentage points of the local sex industry.
Thanks,
Jackson
While this is true for our resident posters, it isn't true for many visitors. Spending US$200 on a chick from Black is pocket change when you figure you have a week's time and have spent US$1000 on a plane ticket, a US$200 on a hotel room, et cetera.I agree, but there are 2 points to highlight.
1) It is worthwhile to consider the opinions of both local (argentinos and foreigners) and visitors.
2) It is VERY rare that a monger staying more than a week will get his chica supply solely from Black. This establishment may be among the best regarding average chica looks, but mongering (as many mentioned) involves also traits such as attitude and "freshness", and some people may get tired of the "professionalism" at Black.
That's why I stress the point that it is necessary for the whole mongering "community" to not spend too much in general, at least not beyond the "tourist traps".
For those who rarely go beyond Black or Madahos, it's not that terrible for the rest of us to pay whatever amount that person intends to. However, it won't be nice if, stopping once by Exedra (to give an example) the high spending monger sees an outstanding semi-pro (something that happens often) and starts offering ridiculous prices, returning several times to repeat that behavior.
Andres
Thomaso276
12-09-05, 22:46
Andres, how is it going! Are you back in town or still on the lam?
Anyhow. It is amazing that some guys have so much to offer; money, looks, power, etc it is a wonder why they pay for sex! You would think these girls would be falling all over themselves for a shot at the big time. Charge us slobs extra and give it up for the opportunity to catch the big fish!
Back to the coal mines. Dog out.
Still on the lam, Thomaso.
I guess that guys who brag about how much they spend or how many corporations they owe are shooting themselves on their feet. It doesn't add anything to the debate.
Cheers,
Andres.
Andres, how is it going! Are you back in town or still on the lam?
Anyhow. It is amazing that some guys have so much to offer; money, looks, power, etc it is a wonder why they pay for sex! You would think these girls would be falling all over themselves for a shot at the big time. Charge us slobs extra and give it up for the opportunity to catch the big fish!
Back to the coal mines. Dog out.
Quite simple. I pay for model types for the sheer "no strings attached" convenience. The same reason why I would go to a tourist trap like Blacks (or any other place having higher quality & justifiably more expensive girl than the norm) for convenience. The higher price is what I pay for my own convenience (and if I feel the girl is worth it in MY eyes) I don't enjoy spending half a night "hunting" around like I suppose a true "monger" would. I suppose you can call that lazy as Diggler mentioned. I have no rebutal to that. It's symantics. I prefer to look at it as convenience. I have a girlfriend. She understands me and my tendencies. We go to swinger clubs. Etc etc. But I also like variety - for pure physical gratification. I am not looking to get emotionally attached to anyone. I already have that. Hence, paying for sex and making it a purely business relationship is my way of dealing with that situation. Some would point this out as a form of sexual addiction. I have no problem with that. It is what it is.
As far as commenting on money, etc. It was merely tossed out there either to clarify where I'm coming from or for comparison, not for bragging. There is a sense of value in different things for different people. Personally, I don't have much to brag about when compared to some here (or otherwise) who have nice families, beautiful kids, etc. I have all the money and material wealth any one person could possibly need. But I would not consider myself half as fortunate as a poor underpaid Argentine who has found his eternal happiness in his love for family, friends and the great memories he will share with all of them. I see that all the time when I visit down there. It's why I keep going back and have my home there. It's a different culture and allows me to escape for a while. If one were to keep score on material things. I'm certain I could hang in there with most. (realizing that no mater what one has there is ALWAYS others with more) yet if the score were based on genuine fulfilling enrichment in life. That would be a whole different story.
As for why I post? Well. A few things struck enough of a chord for me to post. I found this site by accident and quite honestly enjoy reading the stories and the spirited discussions. I tend to look at the pictures, but not as much as one might think. Porn never really did anythin for me. I'd rather just go pay an entrance fee and see and touch the real thing. I also enjoythe reviews of places. There are in fact a few I will be looking into next week while I'm there.
Thomas. I'm not from old money. But though I devoted a lot of time (hence never married) to my career when I was younger. I wish I could do a few things over again. Nonetheless. Hard work, good fortune and opportunity got me to where I am (I sold my Internet company just before the bubble burst. Now THAT was good fortune) Unfortunately, once I "made" it, I found everything had passed me by and some things are just not that easy to relive.:)
Moore. Enough of the attacks. You're the only respondent that seems to rely on responses with no real substance other than ridicule in attempting to make your points. If I posted anything you may have taken as a direct attack on you, I apologize. Reading back, the only post I could consider as such was when I mentioned you would stick your dick in anything, but that was meant as nothing more than a barb at you when you indicated that you would charge the same to screw Kim Bassinger or an old lady (a fact that I still question - but to each their own)
Andre... I don't own coporations.. I do some consulting, a little bit of teaching at a university for fun - other than that, I'm retired (don't think I'm too far over the hill thouhg - I'm only 42). Not really much to brag about. My point in throwing out the money aspect is nothing more than to establish where I'm coming from when it comes to my sense of what $200 means to me in the course of the discussion. This makes a big difference in perspectives because I felt that if readers didn't know that then when we talk about a USD$200 girl.... she may be expensive and not worth it to someone who needs the money versus not being significant to one that has the money. Perspectives would be different and would change the scope of the discussion.
Reading back, the only post I could consider as such was when I mentioned you would stick your dick in anything, but that was meant as nothing more than a barb at you when you indicated that you would charge the same to screw Kim Bassinger or an old lady (a fact that I still question - but to each their own) Kim Basinger is an ancient old lady. Thus if I had to screw her, Hillary Clinton, Nancy Reagan or any other old hag it would be with the same level of enthusiasm (subzero)
Dancesw/Chicas
12-10-05, 06:02
Just-you,
Nobody cares if you fly first class.
Nobody cares if you have houses in Argentina.
Nobydy cares if you have houses in California.
Nobody cares if you do consulting.
Nobody cares if you teach at a university.
Nobydy cares if you are retired at 42.
We read this board for the chicas. Could you post relevant information like chica reports, performance reviews, post pictures, etc.
This board is for the exchanging of information of the Argentina scene, not about you and how much you "help revigorating the Argentina economy."
DWC
You cared enough to post. Otherwise, this thread would have eventually faded into oblivion. Thank you for keeping the discussion alive!
Here's a relevant chica fact then, if it will keep you interested. They really really dig you. No really. They do. They genuinely want to be with you. They told me. Go get 'em tiger! Tell 'em you read it here!
Oh, and don't forget your little change purse! Ya gotta pay them ya know! Of course. You may have to forgoe lunch for the next couple of days, but that;s ok, right? You need to lose a few pounds anyway. Right? :)
Moore,
Sorry, I forgot how highly selective you are when it comes to women.
Dancesw/Chicas
12-10-05, 08:37
Just-you,
Nobody cares If girls dig me.
Nobody cares if I need to lose weight.
Again, you are talking non-sense. Write a chica report,
Post pictures, review hotels, whatever. Or just don't write at all.
DWC
I agree, but there are 2 points to highlight.
1) It is worthwhile to consider the opinions of both local (argentinos and foreigners) and visitors.
2) It is VERY rare that a monger staying more than a week will get his chica supply solely from Black. This establishment may be among the best regarding average chica looks, but mongering (as many mentioned) involves also traits such as attitude and "freshness", and some people may get tired of the "professionalism" at Black.
That's why I stress the point that it is necessary for the whole mongering "community" to not spend too much in general, at least not beyond the "tourist traps".
For those who rarely go beyond Black or Madahos, it's not that terrible for the rest of us to pay whatever amount that person intends to. However, it won't be nice if, stopping once by Exedra (to give an example) the high spending monger sees an outstanding semi-pro (something that happens often) and starts offering ridiculous prices, returning several times to repeat that behavior.
AndresI absolutely agree with almost everything you write, Andres. There's certainly a "learning curve" that all new visitors travel on. The great variety of boliches, clubs, apartments, coffee shops, et cetera is a big part of the charm of Buenos Aires. Personally, I rarely take a chica out of Black, but I am sure to visit the place at least once on every trip.
One thing we disagree on, however, is the belief that "big spending" foreigners spoil the chica economy for BsAs residents. Foreigners aren't the only people capable of overpaying for services - the "small head" does the thinking for many Portenos too. Every local guy is not the expert on negotiating and paying that you are.
Andre. I don't own coporations. I do some consulting, a little bit of teaching at a university for fun - other than that, I'm retired (don't think I'm too far over the hill thouhg - I'm only 42) Not really much to brag about. My point in throwing out the money aspect is nothing more than to establish where I'm coming from when it comes to my sense of what $200 means to me in the course of the discussion. This makes a big difference in perspectives because I felt that if readers didn't know that then when we talk about a USD$200 girl. She may be expensive and not worth it to someone who needs the money versus not being significant to one that has the money. Perspectives would be different and would change the scope of the discussion.When I wrote about corporations, I was referring to a famous monger of WSG / AP (a guy who provides a lot of good info but who can't help himself in self-promoting) not to you.
Andres
Dances,
You do have a point. Considering this forum is supposed to be about Blacks (and applicable reports thereto) I realize that we have gone beyond its intent. It's easy to get involved with tangents sometimes. I suppose the current topic has now run its due course anyway.
And deep down inside. Yes. We all know you care! LOL!
Guys,
Just quit responding to Justmoi and he will cease to exist here.
Or if you are a single white male seeking a single white male just PM him. Not sure if hes seeking a top or a bottom though.
He sound like a good catch - charming, professional consultant and parttime professor, swings occasionally, interesting hobbies, enjoys good restaurants and travelling 1st class, self-made and partially retired (at 42 noless) and in search of eternal happiness and cultural enrichment.
Thank you Moore for keeping the thread going. If you would have actually absorbed what you read you would have seen I would have just let it die. But since you obviously have remedial reading skills, it's apparent I was reaching.
Thank you for taking such an interest in me too! Your post makes me wonder if you are really that infactuated with me that you actually remembered all those points or if you are so obsessed that you had to go back and reread all theposts to compile them.
Either way. At least I have a nice personal ad to post on Match. Com now. You should make it a side business and earn a few more pesos. This way you won't feel it so hard when you pay the entrance fees at the clubs you frequent (well, unless you like to feel it hard). :)
Hey guys,
I think justmoi has a 2 inch dick. That's probably why he has to over pay at Blacks so they don't laugh in his face.
Now you see. Bringing up something nonsensible as that is nothing more than a reflection of your own insecurities. You can read about that in any psychology journal. I've taken most of the barbs here as just that - barbs - regardless if they were intended with malice in mind or not. Many were quite whimsical and creative. Your response has such little thinking and creativity behind it that it permiates you being nothing more than just a poor little man trying to jump on a bandwagon that's already left you far behind. Tsk tsk.
You see Moore, et. all. As much as you try to kill this thing with silence. Boneheads like Cowpie (such a fitting handle too - congrats)! Will continue to reinvigorate it. LOL!
As you leave this board, remember: Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.
Dancesw/Chicas
12-13-05, 03:27
You are boring.
I know Dances w / Chicos. I am. And your parents make you wear a crash helmet, so what? Keep posting! Long live the infamous JustMoi thread!
Full Throttle
12-13-05, 12:47
One thing we disagree on, however, is the belief that "big spending" foreigners spoil the chica economy for BsAs residents. Foreigners aren't the only people capable of overpaying for services - the "small head" does the thinking for many Portenos too. Every local guy is not the expert on negotiating and paying that you are.Just to forward an opinion I've had for years.
I think the overspenders are GREAT for Excedra (and the equivalent) It attracts girls there who expect to get paid market prices for their services, but will occasionally hook a little fish with a big wallet. They're playing the lottery. Sometimes they cash in their tickets to win another ticket (Captain Dave, the former artist known as Dickhead, and other full-time residents) Sometimes they double their money, and other times they win the big drawing. If it weren't for that, they wouldn't be there.
So, let's celebrate the big spenders. I have no interest in having a beer with them, but that's mainly due to disturbing personalities displayed here, but that's unimportant. After all, it's all about the chicas.
FT
SobeLizzard
12-14-05, 01:18
Quite simple. I pay for model types for the sheer "no strings attached" convenience. The same reason why I would go to a tourist trap like Blacks (or any other place having higher quality & justifiably more expensive girl than the norm) for convenience. The higher price is what I pay for my own convenience (and if I feel the girl is worth it in MY eyes) I don't enjoy spending half a night "hunting" around like I suppose a true "monger" would. I suppose you can call that lazy as Diggler mentioned. I have no rebutal to that. It's symantics. I prefer to look at it as convenience. I have a girlfriend. She understands me and my tendencies. We go to swinger clubs. Etc etc. But I also like variety - for pure physical gratification. I am not looking to get emotionally attached to anyone. I already have that. Hence, paying for sex and making it a purely business relationship is my way of dealing with that situation. Some would point this out as a form of sexual addiction. I have no problem with that. It is what it is.
As far as commenting on money, etc. It was merely tossed out there either to clarify where I'm coming from or for comparison, not for bragging. There is a sense of value in different things for different people. Personally, I don't have much to brag about when compared to some here (or otherwise) who have nice families, beautiful kids, etc. I have all the money and material wealth any one person could possibly need. But I would not consider myself half as fortunate as a poor underpaid Argentine who has found his eternal happiness in his love for family, friends and the great memories he will share with all of them. I see that all the time when I visit down there. It's why I keep going back and have my home there. It's a different culture and allows me to escape for a while. If one were to keep score on material things. I'm certain I could hang in there with most. (realizing that no mater what one has there is ALWAYS others with more) yet if the score were based on genuine fulfilling enrichment in life. That would be a whole different story.
As for why I post? Well. A few things struck enough of a chord for me to post. I found this site by accident and quite honestly enjoy reading the stories and the spirited discussions. I tend to look at the pictures, but not as much as one might think. Porn never really did anythin for me. I'd rather just go pay an entrance fee and see and touch the real thing. I also enjoythe reviews of places. There are in fact a few I will be looking into next week while I'm there.
Thomas. I'm not from old money. But though I devoted a lot of time (hence never married) to my career when I was younger. I wish I could do a few things over again. Nonetheless. Hard work, good fortune and opportunity got me to where I am (I sold my Internet company just before the bubble burst. Now THAT was good fortune) Unfortunately, once I "made" it, I found everything had passed me by and some things are just not that easy to relive.:)
Moore. Enough of the attacks. You're the only respondent that seems to rely on responses with no real substance other than ridicule in attempting to make your points. If I posted anything you may have taken as a direct attack on you, I apologize. Reading back, the only post I could consider as such was when I mentioned you would stick your dick in anything, but that was meant as nothing more than a barb at you when you indicated that you would charge the same to screw Kim Bassinger or an old lady (a fact that I still question - but to each their own)
Andre. I don't own coporations. I do some consulting, a little bit of teaching at a university for fun - other than that, I'm retired (don't think I'm too far over the hill thouhg - I'm only 42) Not really much to brag about. My point in throwing out the money aspect is nothing more than to establish where I'm coming from when it comes to my sense of what $200 means to me in the course of the discussion. This makes a big difference in perspectives because I felt that if readers didn't know that then when we talk about a USD$200 girl. She may be expensive and not worth it to someone who needs the money versus not being significant to one that has the money. Perspectives would be different and would change the scope of the discussion.Justmoi,
I have notice that most people that complain about Big Shots and Big Spenders are a sign of jealousy. It's not your problem that you can spend the big dollars, it's their problem. So what if you paid them a couple hundred more. Is it going to bankrupt you? I don't think so. But it will surely bankrupt jiffy lube boy trying to get laid.
When you got the money, you got the power, when you got the Power. You got the Woman.
--Scarface for you fucking numb nut Ediots with a capital E!
--Scarface for you fucking numb nut Ediots with a capital E!ROFLMAO, learn how to spell before you call others names. You better hurry and delete/edit your post before others who are not so kind rip you a new one. :D
SobeLizzard
12-14-05, 06:40
ROFLMAO, learn how to spell before you call others names. You better hurry and delete / edit your post before others who are not so kind rip you a new one.:DLike I am about to Rip you a new Ass hole. You EEEEEEdddioootttt!
Anybody want to talk about Black? I was there on Monday night with Exon123, and pulled one smokin'chica out of there.
Full Throttle
12-14-05, 11:56
What's Black?
SobeLizzard
12-14-05, 19:13
Anybody want to talk about Black? I was there on Monday night with Exon123, and pulled one smokin'chica out of there.Who was this chick?
Perhaps we can compare notes.
Who was this chick?
Perhaps we can compare notes.She was what I woulld rank as a '9'. Nice bod, and fucked like a nice filly. If she had a tad bigger tits (she had a ´B´ cup) I would say she was Sports Illustrated Bikini material. However, she was from Black, so you cheap motherfuckers can pretend that I overpaid as you drill your scuzzy Paraguashas and lord it up over us guys who like pinup model types.
SobeLizzard
12-14-05, 22:35
She was what I woulld rank as a '9'. Nice bod, and fucked like a nice filly. If she had a tad bigger tits (she had a 'be' cup) I would say she was Sports Illustrated Bikini material. However, she was from Black, so you cheap motherfuckers can pretend that I overpaid as you drill your scuzzy Paraguashas and lord it up over us guys who like pinup model types.Is she Niki? Barbie? Myra?
Glad to see others who feel the same post up. I guess I was too straightforward for most, but then again they're probably the posers anyways. A couple of the PMs I received from others gave me incentive to carry on when I did as well so I know there are a few lurkers out there with the same points of view but who would rather not "rock the boat".
I'm in BA only for tonight (on my way to Cordoba) but will be back here for a few days before I head to Brazil the first week of Jan. I'd love to know the name of the girl too Hunt. I'll ask for her when I'm back in town and head to Blacks.
In a dream world, it would be cool if those with the cash to drop frequented Blacks and broke some bread a little more we can turn it into a higher end club that only attracts the appreciative pinup model types so we don't have to sort through all the lower quality discount budget Walmart types! Now THAT would be convenient!:)
Otherwise. Hmmm. Would it be so far fetched to just start a club to keep the riff raff out. I know there is a demographic of tourists out there who would rather spend the $$$ for the quality out of convenience rather than sift and sort through the bargain bins. Too bad I'm not down this way more often. It would have been worth consideration.
After reading some of these guys that go from club to club, paying entrance fees, getting ripped off, whatever - it seems to me that some of their excursions ends up costing them more than if they just bit the big one and went to a club they know is top dollar but attracts the top talent. Leave the diamonds in the rough to those willing to hunt for it.
You may not agree to everything I've posted or how I went about doing so, but nonetheless, here's to you Hunt and Sobe for posting your straight up points of views regardless of the wannabe's flames!
Surfer Pancho
12-15-05, 03:59
Just Moi,
I was at Black a month ago and I talked to a girl by the name of "Alejandra" a 5' 4" or so brunete to die for. Look for her she is very very beautiful.
Surfer Pancho
Daddy Rulz
12-15-05, 06:36
Anybody want to talk about Black? I was there on Monday night with Exon123, and pulled one smokin'chica out of there.I am shocked.
In a dream world, it would be cool if those with the cash to drop frequented Blacks and broke some bread a little more we can turn it into a higher end club that only attracts the appreciative pinup model types so we don't have to sort through all the lower quality discount budget Walmart types! Now THAT would be convenient!:)
Otherwise. Hmmm. Would it be so far fetched to just start a club to keep the riff raff out. I know there is a demographic of tourists out there who would rather spend the $$$ for the quality out of convenience rather than sift and sort through the bargain bins. Too bad I'm not down this way more often. It would have been worth consideration.The nature of the boliche scene is that you're going to have some good talent in just about every place, and also some 'riff raff' as well. This goes for females as well as males. Also, the issue of judgment - a 9 for some guys will be a 5 for me, and vice versa. Joking aside (and I do more than my share) I just don't like to paint with a broad brush when it comes to clubs and women. Some guys will love a place like Nuevo Estilo and hate Black, while others will have the opposite opinion. Still others will love both places or hate them both. The great variety of experiences in Buenos Aires is a key to the experience.
Anyway, gotta go now, I got a PMed lead on a pair of sisters from Peru who will take care of me all afternoon for 10 pesos apiece.
SobeLizzard
12-15-05, 19:47
It no surprise that you have to pay first class if you want to travel first class.
There are a few bad looking woman in Black but it will be a noticable difference when they are all standing in the crowd of hot loking woman.
Question is, are you dumb enough to pick the bad fruit out of so many good ones? You can not go wrong in a good orchard. As oppose to the golden triangle or "devils triangle" cattos, hooks neuesto's. Most woman look like shit and one standout will not last longer than 10 minutes because she will be immediately taken. So what's the point of poing to the garage sales and wasting all that precious time? If you want to get laid with a good selection, I suggest you to stay with Blacks. I know jiffy lube boy can't hang with the money folks so he is gonna cry like a little ***** cause he can't afford the hot chicks. Also, once you get there mobile numbers, take them out to a fancy restaurant, and to the casino and shopping. They will be so happy and they will make you their boyfriend. After that. It is endless sex in 1000 positions.
Two things come to mind after reading your post, Sobe.
First, there is usually no correlation between how much you pay, how cute the chica is, and how well she performs in the sack. Some of the best, most inspired drilling I've had has been with non-top price talent. OTOH, if you want to enjoy drilling 'Barbie' for the sake of drilling 'Barbie', you won't go wrong in Black.
Second thought is that there is plenty of talent and beauty to be had in places other than Black. And a big part of the fun for many guys (including me) is hunting them down wherever they may be.
Happy Hunting, Boys.:)
SobeLizzard
12-15-05, 21:07
Two things come to mind after reading your post, Sobe. First, there is usually no correlation between how much you pay, how cute the chica is, and how well she performs in the sack. Some of the best, most inspired drilling I've had has been with non-top price talent. OTOH, if you want to enjoy drilling 'Barbie' for the sake of drilling 'Barbie', you won't go wrong in Black.
Second thought is that there is plenty of talent and beauty to be had in places other than Black. And a big part of the fun for many guys (including me) is hunting them down wherever they may be.
Happy Hunting, Boys.:)First off, there is 100% correlation between how much you pay and how cute the chica is. Do you think any hot chick in Hollywood would go out with a jiffy lube boy from Argentina?
I know that Barbie is 100% Hot and 100% Rob.
If you know that, why didn't you share your information with us all?
At least I did.
As for the rest of you folks, just remember, if you can't get a name of a girl that works at a place, fuck it! Don't waste your time chasing these fantasy.
Most jiffy lube boys just want to feel important because they can't afford the good stuff.
I guarantee that 99% of the time, it's just jiffy lube boy fantasying about fucking a hot chick and he really never meet her.
Poor people have a fantasy of fucking the hottest chicks on the planet for free or close to nothing. We all know that hot chicks don't come cheap and free otherwise Hollywood, Miss Universe, PlayBoy, Penthouse, and Adult Porn industry would not award them the Big Bucks. Thus, do you think any hot chick that walks the streets all her life turning heads does not know what she is worth? Comm'on stop fantasying about getting hot chicks at cheap prices because I bet 1 million dollars that none of these guy can ever come up with a name of a hot chick in one of these low life clubs. That's why they try so hard to fight the system and talk up a fantasy. It's basically their self esteem on the line when you announce that you fucked several hot chicks at Blacks and those poor boys have Zero self esteem left in their souls thinking if they exist as a man.
I know it too bad that the US Dollar is 3 to 1.
That means if you spend 200 USD it like a local Argentina spending 600.
Or flip side, imagine speding 600 USD in America.
Now appreciate the fact that we are in a good position and.
Lets fuck the hell out of these woman because they want sex so bad.
They are willing to do bare back full service for more bucks.
I also get fine service out of blacks, the same as I get anywhere else. In my opinion the "lower you pay better service" mantra is a myth. Not that the more you pay the better the service, but I do not see any correlation between the amount you pay and the service provided whatsoever. Too many other variables. The most important being whether or not you are presentable, friendly and / or funny with the girl, and weigh less than 300lbs and have a full head of hair, and whether or not the girl is psycho. If you do not meet this criteria, do you honestly think a 9 out of 10 on the scale is going to fuck your brains out like she means it for anything under 500 or 600 pesos?
I think I know a reason a lot of guys on wsg have a problem in blacks also. Girls in blacks are also used to guys that dress nice and aren't cheap. So when a typical argentina private monger arrives in black he thinks that all the girls are snotty because he throwns an offer of 200 pesos out there and is wearing a flannel his wife bought him in 1988. This same monger can take his sorry act to the triangle and get treated like a king for 125 pesos per hour so then he comes back to the forums to rip on black and says what a piss poor attitude the girls have in black.
In my opinion this is how the club breakdowns in Recoleta go, and there is 100% correlation between the price and quality. The hottest girls in Black demand more because it's obvious to them and everyone else in the room that they are super hot, I don't know why you guys are denying this. Please note that some quality overlaps, which means perhaps you can pull a girl out of Affaire that is of Medahos quality, but on average, this is how I see it:
Black.
7.5's-9's.
Medahos.
7-8.5
Affaire.
6-7.5
Solid Gold.
6-7.5
Shampoo.
6-7.5
Also I only went to the triangle one time in my life and would never step foot back in there. I also went to exedra and it was crowded.
All Triangle Clubs.
4-6.25
Exedra.
2-6
Perhaps some of you like the chase of finding an outlier on my scale. Personally when I am in town for 1 week I need to just go directly where I know there will be hot girls. I would just stay in Blacks every night if I could afford it but I can't so I have to pull girls from other lesser quality Recoleta clubs.
Marak,
You raised a good point that I touched on earlier, and that is that based on experience I also believe a girl will perform better if the guy is dressed nice, is attractive, is properly groomed, good hygiene, etc. I personally would never step foot in a club without dressing nice (no matter what type of club it is) But that's just my style as it seems to be yours and some others on here. You certainly demand a little more attention in most cases since the girl would typically be turned off by the fat dude with the jeans, flannel and flip flops who didn't bother to brush his teeth or shower after an afternoon in this heat and humidity!
I think I know a reason a lot of guys on ISG have a problem in Black also. Girls in Black are also used to guys that dress nice and aren't cheap. So when a typical Argentina private monger arrives in Black he thinks that all the girls are snotty because he throwns an offer of 200 pesos out there and is wearing a flannel his wife bought him in 1988. This same monger can take his sorry act to the triangle and get treated like a king for 125 pesos per hour so then he comes back to the forums to rip on black and says what a piss poor attitude the girls have in black.ROFLMAO! Spot on.
In my opinion this is how the club breakdowns in Recoleta go, and there is 100% correlation between the price and quality. The hottest girls in Black demand more because it's obvious to them and everyone else in the room that they are super hot, I don't know why you guys are denying this. Please note that some quality overlaps, which means perhaps you can pull a girl out of Affaire that is of Medahos quality, but on average, this is how I see it:
Black: 7.5's-9's.
Madahos: 7-8.5
Affaire: 6-7.5
Solid Gold: 6-7.5
Shampoo: 6-7.5
Also I only went to the triangle one time in my life and would never step foot back in there. I also went to exedra and it was crowded.
All Triangle Clubs: 4-6.25
Exedra: 2-6Fair enough assessment. I would quibble with your Exedra grade, however. The higher end there can be quite high, and you can be pleasantly surprised. Just last night I stopped in to check out the talent level, and was pleasantly surprised by a couple of girls from out in the provinces who were in town for a couple weeks of free-lancing. One was a solid 8.5, the other probably a 7.5 (all IMO, of course) A bit more make up, some dressier clothes, and some darker lighting, they would have been at the upper range of Black girls.
Which brings me to one thing I LOVE about Exedra. What you see is what you get. It is well lit and sitting on a street corner. Unlike Cattos, for example, where you can't see you hand in front of your face. The possibility of getting a real ugly chica out of that place is one of the reasons why I avoid it. One need only read the board to get a flavor of how many guys meet up with a 'cute'chica from the darkness of a place, only to find out that they've pulled Granny.
Daddy Rulz
12-16-05, 16:06
ROFLMAO! Spot on.
Fair enough assessment. I would quibble with your Exedra grade, however. The higher end there can be quite high, and you can be pleasantly surprised. Just last night I stopped in to check out the talent level, and was pleasantly surprised by a couple of girls from out in the provinces who were in town for a couple weeks of free-lancing. One was a solid 8.5, the other probably a 7.5 (all IMO, of course) A bit more make up, some dressier clothes, and some darker lighting, they would have been at the upper range of Black girls.
Which brings me to one thing I LOVE about Exedra. What you see is what you get. It is well lit and sitting on a street corner. Unlike Cattos, for example, where you can't see you hand in front of your face. The possibility of getting a real ugly chica out of that place is one of the reasons why I avoid it. One need only read the board to get a flavor of how many guys meet up with a 'cute'chica from the darkness of a place, only to find out that they've pulled Granny.If you get there around 2200 or 2300 you can find chicas making a little extra before they go to the Recoletta clubs. Mostly it is older women past their prime but sometimes you can see amazing woman there. Also if you like women in their 30's that still look good and perhaps are a bit more skillfull this is a good place to shop.
First off, there is 100% correlation between how much you pay and how cute the chica is. Hotter girls usually ask for more money than not-so-hot girls, but this doesn't mean that there is 100% correlation.
What you forgot to mention is attitude. Like it or not, clubs such as Black or Madahos have much more stringent rules than those at the Triangle. Many guys like I would choose an average-to-hot girl with great attitude from a laid-back establishment than a super-hot with the pro allure from a club that measures "lovetime" like a cab meter and girls who are more interested to catch up with their friends than to go out with you.
Last August I visited BA as a monger tourist, with cash to burn and little time, and had experiences in both Madahos and the Triangle. My take is that the girl from Madahos was just a little bit hotter and her attitude was as good as the one at Hook. Why spending 2x if these experiences were so similar?
To some guys, looks are the most important aspect, but not to me.
Andres
SobeLizzard
12-16-05, 23:20
Black: 7.5's-9's.
Barbie short blonde.
Looks 9
Attitude 6
Service 3
Geri tall blonde with short hair.
Looks 9
Attitude 8
Service 8
Myra blonde.
Looks 8
Attitude 8
Service 8
Madahos: 7-8.5
Belinda.
Looks 8
Attitude 6
Service 3
Norman Stormin
12-17-05, 11:49
Hotter girls usually ask for more money than not-so-hot girls, but this doesn't mean that there is 100% correlation. My take is that the girl from Madahos was just a little bit hotter and her attitude was as good as the one at Hook. Why spending 2x if these experiences were so similar?
To some guys, looks are the most important aspect, but not to me.
AndresMay I add that some guys actually believe the more they pay the better it is. I lived with a woman for 6 years who had this attitude. If it was not the most expensive appearal, car, house, etc. She would have nothing to do with it. She always ordered the most expensive item on the menu even if she hated it. Then she would push it around the plate and pretend to enjoy it. There is a psycological term for this sickness.
I have found the girls in the mid range priced privados to have the best attitudes and performance. I can use my imagination to make up for the fact they may not be a 9.5 in looks.
Rubiks Cube
12-17-05, 15:32
After a few requests to post on this subject I will enter the arena.
Black is a fantastic venue. Admittedly there are a few girls that are snobs or colder then other chicas at other clubs the overall quality is outstanding. No other club consistantly has as many beautiful girls. On any night Monday to Friday the Black top 10-20 chicas of the night will put any other clubs top 10-20 to shame. Many clubs have a few stunners but no other club is close when you get past the top 2 chicas.
I have found the key to enjoying myself at Black is to not be afraid to waste a drink. If a girl appears to be cold while drinking with me I just say thanks for the conversation and give her a kiss on the cheek goodbye. I am a local at both Black and Madahos so I know that I am treated better than the average mongerer but I still learned along time ago not to be afraid of sunk costs. Many people struggle with this and pay the price.
I will agree that many of the girls at Black are less likely to spend as much time with you, but I have never been rushed from a girl from Black. I also am willing to give up a little post coital time for a girl who seems like she could have a low end modeling career.
That being said if you are on a budget Black is not the place to go. I also disagree with other posters who say that when you negotiate girls down they respect you more and give you better service. If feel the opposite is true. When you tell a girl you are fine with what she wants but then you tell her exactly what you expect then I have the best results. Again as a regular I know that I girls try a little harder with me but almost every girl I get will stay until I ask her to leave and most will sleep over unless I tell them I want to be alone.
To dismiss the girls of Black as being snobs is crazy. They are the hottest girls and they know it. Of course they are going to be standoffish if you try to beat them up on price. The lesser quality girls at Black are alot more negotiable but if thats what you want why the hell are you going to Black anyways.
I also disagree with other posters who say that when you negotiate girls down they respect you more and give you better service. If feel the opposite is true. I strongly disagree with this. Although I agree that regardless of the price you pay you should always clarify exactly what the deal is beforehand. To me it is not a theory but a fact that if you let someone walk all over you then they will (females are possibly the worst!). This fact holds even more true when you are conducting some kind of "illegitimate" or semi-illegitimate business like hiring a prostitute, buying drugs, buying a used car, or buying anything at a street market. And you are almost always a target and assumed to be an idiot by default as an "out-of-towner". In places where prices are negotiable like Blacks, Affaire Recoleta, and Madahos most girls will start out with a sucker price especially if your Spanish sucks and/or you're a foreigner and/or you clearly don't know the market. If you accept the sucker price, you will normally get treated like one. I'm not saying you have to be a cheap asshole, just hold your ground like you would in any other situation, even if you have US$10,000 in your front pocket as spare change for the night. You want to be the one calling the shots there and in bed, not her.
Oh give me a break. Yeah. Bring them down $100 pesos. What is that? $35 US? Big deal! For you types that enjoy negotiating - that's great. For those that really just don't give a rat over $35-$70USD why waste our time. I don't haggle if I feel the girl is worth the price she gives me. Treated like a sucker? Hardly - I've NEVER had a poor experience with anyone I've taken out of Blacks in the past and was never rushed and have taken several on nice dates on their days off. Maybe I would get treated the same elsewhere for less, maybe not. But don't really care since I get exactly what I want at Blacks. The one with the money is typically in charge even if you give them the price they want. It's in their best interest to keep you coming back later on so I doubt they would treat you like a sucker unless they know you're piss ass poor and have just blown your entire wad on them and probably won't see you again for another year that it will take you to save up.
The currency of Argentina is the Peso. The language is Spanish. Any price that you are quoted here in US$ (except for real estate) is specifically tailored for suckers. Major Argentine hotels, for instance, often have the regular price (pesos) and the US$ (sucker) price, which is generally the peso price divided by 1.5 or 2 instead of the correct 3. If you think you are getting better service by paying 50%-100% more for a 7 night stay at a 5star hotel...well theres one born every minute.
I havent been to Black in a long time (about 2 years) as the quality of girls there is substandard. I doubt it has changed. I pulled some girls out of there when I had recently moved to Argentina and still didnt know where the hot girls were (incidentally 1 peso still equalled 1 dollar at that time). But a year or 2 later I applied the 3strike rule to Black: if I go to a place and don't see anything remotely doable 3 times in a row - its out - regardless of how low their now 3 for 1 peso prices are. Rarely out for good though, I will go back to Black soon to see if they've upgraded their stock but unfortunately I will almost surely confirm that you Blacks guys are blind, desperate, and will screw anything with 3 holes and a heartbeat. Even though Black is a cheap bargain place for me with the devalued Peso, the nasty girls there don't compensate for their firesale prices. I'm not going to screw some Blacks skank (or 3 for the price of 1) just because shes cheap.
Besides, my building won't allow the riffraff from Black in the door, although they have no problem with chicas from other places. JiffyLube types are not welcome. My 24th floor penthouse is in the most expensive and most prestigious building in Recoleta and happens to be located only about 3 blocks from Black. Its nowhere near as nice as some of my places in Manhattan and Monaco, but I get by. I bought these properties after selling the shipping conglomerate I created to the Onassis family 4 years ago. And I'm only 23.
Rubiks Cube
12-18-05, 00:37
I will go back to Black soon to see if theyve upgraded their stock but unfortunately I will almost surely confirm that you Blacks guys are blind, desperate, and will screw anything with 3 holes and a heartbeat. Even though Black is a cheap bargain place for me with the devalued Peso, the nasty girls there don't compensate for their firesale prices. I'm not going to screw some Blacks skank (or 3 for the price of 1) just because shes cheap.With all due respect if you think that the girls at Black are terrible I think you might be involved with the wrong hobby. I hardly think that a guy who goes to Black is there because he will screw anything. However, after reading the end of your post I think the problem might be that you are in love with yourself. The sale of your shipping conglomerate to the Onasis family had me laughing pretty hard so thanks.
Many of us here have no shortage of funds (although admittedly I have never owned any conglomerate or transacted with the Onasis family) so no need to brag about money. When you brag about being rich and talk about talking people down 100 pesos in the same post it is a little tough to take it seriously.
JUSTMOI: Nobody could have said it better than you did.
SobeLizzard
12-18-05, 03:52
Besides, my building won't allow the riffraff from Black in the door, although they have no problem with chicas from other places. JiffyLube types are not welcome. My 24th floor penthouse is in the most expensive and most prestigious building in Recoleta and happens to be located only about 3 blocks from Black. Its nowhere near as nice as some of my places in Manhattan and Monaco, but I get by. I bought these properties after selling the shipping conglomerate I created to the Onassis family 4 years ago. And I'm only 23.So give us some names of girls you seen?
So far you have told us you have money but you did not mention who you saw at Blacks.
SobeLizzard
12-18-05, 03:55
I also get fine service out of Blacks, the same as I get anywhere else. In my opinion the "lower you pay better service" mantra is a myth. Not that the more you pay the better the service, but I do not see any correlation between the amount you pay and the service provided whatsoever. Too many other variables. The most important being whether or not you are presentable, friendly and / or funny with the girl, and weigh less than 300lbs and have a full head of hair, and whether or not the girl is psycho. If you do not meet this criteria, do you honestly think a 9 out of 10 on the scale is going to fuck your brains out like she means it for anything under 500 or 600 pesos?
I think I know a reason a lot of guys on wsg have a problem in blacks also. Girls in blacks are also used to guys that dress nice and aren't cheap. So when a typical argentina private monger arrives in Black he thinks that all the girls are snotty because he throwns an offer of 200 pesos out there and is wearing a flannel his wife bought him in 1988. This same monger can take his sorry act to the triangle and get treated like a king for 125 pesos per hour so then he comes back to the forums to rip on Black and says what a piss poor attitude the girls have in Black.
In my opinion this is how the club breakdowns in Recoleta go, and there is 100% correlation between the price and quality. The hottest girls in Black demand more because it's obvious to them and everyone else in the room that they are super hot, I don't know why you guys are denying this. Please note that some quality overlaps, which means perhaps you can pull a girl out of Affaire that is of Madahos quality, but on average, this is how I see it:
Black.
7.5's-9's.
Medahos.
7-8.5
Affaire.
6-7.5
Solid Gold.
6-7.5
Shampoo.
6-7.5
Also I only went to the triangle one time in my life and would never step foot back in there. I also went to exedra and it was crowded.
All Triangle Clubs.
4-6.25
Exedra.
2-6
Perhaps some of you like the chase of finding an outlier on my scale. Personally when I am in town for 1 week I need to just go directly where I know there will be hot girls. I would just stay in Blacks every night if I could afford it but I can't so I have to pull girls from other lesser quality Recoleta clubs.For those looking for information, this is a very accurate description of the scene in Burnos Arires Nov. 2005
I just pulled a solid 8 out of Black last night. Took her back to my hotel for $160us and had a great time. I went to about three other clubs, near my hotel and they were substandard, women ugly, and pushing to buy drinks. I did get suckered into buying the girl a drink, but it was worth it. I did have to negotiate a little and also did not get a full hour, just one timew through on the ride.
Rock Harders
12-19-05, 07:23
Although is pains me to say this, I have to agree with Moore's point about pricing and language in Buenos Aires. The currency here is the Peso and the official language is Castellano- in most cases, someone quoting you prices in US Dollars using English is not doing so for your convenience, but as a means to the end goal of making you comfortable during the process of them fleecing you out of your money. A perfect example of this is the most recent post by Sigvarth in which he describes paying $480AR for less than an hour and being satisfied. This monger could have EASILY paid less than half that for a girl of same or better quality and enjoyed her services for much more time if he so desired. A decent monthly salary in Bs. As. Is $900AR- and this girl got paid more than two weeks average salary for less than an hour of work.
--If you were a British guy at the Moonlight Bunny Ranch in Nevada, and the girls quoted you 1000 pounds sterling (for a $1000 USD service) and spoke in a British accent to you, would you happily pay the 1000 pound price just because the girls were hot and they made you feel confortable by speaking your language?
Lego,
All one has to do is read one or two of Moore's post to find out his dry sense of humor is most likely his only redeeming quality if one is into that. Anyone can figure out the real deal by the mere whining people do around here over some guy paying $35 or $70 more for a girl. As if it~s some astronomical sum that will cause him to go without food for a week or something.
Clubs like Blacks are primarily there for tourists, many of whom have the money if they find themselves there. If not, they learn quick they're in the wrong place. I wish Blacks was more expensive to keep out those that can't afford it and bring in the best girls who know they're going to get paid.
As far as those establishment that present prices in US dollars as a 'sucker' price. Well, that may be true for some places but it is certainly painting the picture with a broad brush. I speak fluent spanish with a distinct Cordobese accent and have found no difference in prices between what is quoted me in pesos, with my DNI and in 'çastellano' than in the prices quoted in US dollars. At least not in the places I frequent. Now, there ARE hotels that have an Argentine price and a Tourist price, that is true, but I have not found that to be the case in the higher level establishments. Even a couple of the airlines had the same practices - in fact there was quite a writeup about it two years ago in the Clarin because many felt that the practice alienated tourism. I don't believe AA does it any longer.
I'm happy a lot of others finally spoke up on this. Whether 'mongers' like Moore are in the majority or not, there are obviously 'mongers' of different points of view on what the name implies. If 'mongering' is some cheap ass running from club to club all night trying to find the cheapest piece of meat possible and not giving a damn whether the sheets in the bed they're laying in were ever washed because they are saving $20 pesos, then people like Moore are true 'mongers'. On the other hand, there are obviously a minority of us that consider 'mongering' in a lighter sense - as nothing more than finding upscale places with the best looking girls for the best time for variety and entertainment, with cost taking a lower priority than all the aforementioned.
Unfortunately, for the true 'mongers' we're apparently a threat in their ultimate quest to keep prices low. Boo hoo! There's many more of us 'suckers' that plan on making your lives miserable in the future so you may want to reconsider Blacks. Yes - that's it. Just take it off your list of travel destinations while in BA. Today it's Blacks. Tomorrow maybe we'll turn Shampoo upside down!
SobeLizzard
12-19-05, 19:14
Just like everything else in life, if Moore does not get the price he is lookig for he will leave the establishment.
Well the same logic applies for the girls at Blacks. If they don't get the price they want, guess what. No fuckie fuckie for your ass tonight.
In a longer period of time, guys like Moore will stay put at Catto's and Black girls will stay with guys that can afford them.
If the girls at Blacks don't see the big spenders, they will leave to Europe (Spain) or Amsterdam.
So ultimately, it is better to keep the chicks close to home so that everyone can "look" if they can't buy or buy if they can afford.
Once they leave, it's a lost for everyone.
For those that make their salary in peso. It's hard to compete with the 3 to 1 currency ratio.
For those that make in USD. It's booty time. Booty time across the USA.
Booty time. Booty time. Hey hey hey!
I feel like Scarface with money, power, and woman everytime I'm in Buenos Aires. Chicks just come over at 2am automatically. Enjoy it while it last because it's starting to get expensive in Brazil.
Piso Mojado
12-20-05, 11:57
Just got back yesterday from my first trip to BA, and spent the majority of my mongering time between Black and Madaho's. Call me a douche bag Norte Americano, but those were the only places I felt comfortable. I am in my early 30's, white male but could pass for Porteno, with high standards as I live in a big city with a lot of hot women. Here's what I found, after having read all the helpful posts from thoughtful veteranos and mongers before me:
1) The chicas at Black ARE better looking than most other clubs.
They are mostly 6's and 7's in my opinion, with probably three to four 8's on a busy night and MAYBE one 9. But good luck prying her away from the well-heeled suited business men. For comparison, I thought the least attractive girls at Black (the 6's) were on par with the best looking girls at Cafe Excedra, but were younger. I only looked at Excedra one night though so I could be wrong.
2) Prices were pretty steep at Black.
I was able to negotiate down to 300AP once for a legit 8 quality newbie 20-yr old for an hour (ended up being more like 90mins) but other than that wasn't able to get any other girls below 450AP, so I passed. Comparatively, 200AP could be had at Madaho's with similar quality of girls.
3) There are NO "fashion model quality" chicas.
If there are, they must be getting humped all night be / c I didn't see any. But, there are girls with insane model-quality bodies. Just make sure to get them close and check out their teeth before you commit. The lack of dental work can be scary.
4) You do have to buy a drink to take a girl out.
A minimum $60AP. But you do NOT have to buy a drink before you discuss prices. She'll try to get you to buy one, but you don't have to.
5) Entry fee ($35AP) is not fixed.
The young guy who works the register is cool, and he can be schmoozed for a discount.
6) Chica prices are not fixed.
If you take a girl out after 3:30AM or so, she doesn't have to come back after, so you have more leeway for negotiation. Just hope you don;t have to wake up for anything the next day!
7) Tourists are not necessarily charged more.
If you can't speak Spanish. Once one girl knows you are American or other tourist it will get around and you'll have a hard time bargaining. So learn how to say some basic stuff. Then get to the price. Or stick to the loner chicas that have no friends!
Overall I liked Madaho's better, the layout can be cramped in Black when it's super full on busy nights (Tue-Wed-Thu) but it's in general a cool, fancy club in a nice part of town.
Recommended.
OK, pulled two chicas out of here in the last week. I've already described one as a solid 8.5. The second, well, she was more to the liking of the newbie, Don Roberto, that I was introducing to the scene. However, after a nice conversation with her he begged off, claiming lack of ability to complete the deed. So, being the kind soul that I am and sitting on the other side of her, decided to give her a pity fuck.
Now, for negotiating terms, many of you guys would have been insulted by her first request of 300 bucks (no discussion of time, the negotiation taking place at 2:15am) I countered by telling her that 300 pesos was my limit. Sold.
Spent a couple of hours back at my place, two shots, but eventually I had to encourage her to leave, as I frankly was more in need of sleep than female companionship.
Now, how do I grade her? My newbie companion's tongue was hanging out, calling her a 9. Probably a little high for my standards. I would say an 8. Tall (175cm), blonde, long legged, maybe 27 years old, slim, A+/ B cup tits. Well worth the money, performance was good. I think I gave her an extra 20 pesos for her taxi.
Also, to comment on Piso Mojado's post just before mine: I never pay a cover charge at Black. I am a frequent enough customer that they don't ask for it. However, if they did, my first drink would be free. Since I always end up ordering a drink anyway, it makes no difference. In contrast to PM, in my opinion, there are fashion model quality chicas at Black. If you ever met a real fashion model in person, you'd know that their photos aren't accurate reflections of reality. Plenty of girls at black (probably at least 6-10 on any given night) are super hot and have the beauty that is implied by the term "fashion model." Probably only one or two are tall enough to genuinely be a fashion model, but I don't think it's height that we're concerned with here, are we?
If 'mongering' is some cheap ass running from club to club all night trying to find the cheapest piece of meat possible and not giving a damn whether the sheets in the bed they're laying in were ever washed because they are saving $20 pesosDon't sell this short. Doing this is a lot of fun for many guys, including me.
But just as I don't eat lobster or hamburger for every dinner, so too I can see the pleasures of places like Black as well as Nuevo Estilo or Exedra. Just because I feel in the mood for one, it doesn't mean that the other one has no value.
Now, for negotiating terms, many of you guys would have been insulted by her first request of 300 bucks (no discussion of time, the negotiation taking place at 2:15am) I countered by telling her that 300 pesos was my limit. Sold.Now that wasnt so difficult now was it. It sounds like you got a pretty high quality whoare from a relatively upscale place without letting someone assrape you for 300 U.S. Dollars. 900 pesos is more than a months salary for most people in Argentina. That would be like a clueless Japanese visitor paying a US escort US$5,000 for an hour. Hell I've gotten fairly high quality escorts in major US cities for US$300. Which is no big deal as long as your not doing it every night.
Piso Mojado
12-20-05, 23:45
Also, to comment on Piso Mojado's post just before mine: I never pay a cover charge at Black. I am a frequent enough customer that they don't ask for it. However, if they did, my first drink would be free. Since I always end up ordering a drink anyway, it makes no difference. In contrast to PM, in my opinion, there are fashion model quality chicas at Black. If you ever met a real fashion model in person, you'd know that their photos aren't accurate reflections of reality. Plenty of girls at black (probably at least 6-10 on any given night) are super hot and have the beauty that is implied by the term "fashion model." Probably only one or two are tall enough to genuinely be a fashion model, but I don't think it's height that we're concerned with here, are we?Good point, not the real fashion model thing. True they can be less than inspiring without the makeup and retouching, etc. But I just mean the whole "super hot" top shelf girl. I just didn't see any there that were the drop dead gorgeous super hot whole package. Granted I showed up late both times, after 1AM, so I might have missed out on some earlier chicas that got swept away prior.
But in comparison, I spent some time in Spain and dropped in on a place that had legit super hot total package euro fantasy women. But they were going for about $350USD per hour flat rate, paid to the house.
Anyway. Still plenty of good fun to be had here. They just need to ease up on that damn strobe light in the corner. That thing was disorienting as all hell!:)
SobeLizzard
12-21-05, 05:55
. Hell I've gotten fairly high quality escorts in major US cities for US$300. Which is no big deal as long as your not doing it every night.You can't get shit for $300USD in USA.
Try $500 to $700 USD for fairly high quality escorts.
Full Throttle
12-21-05, 14:23
Yes, you can.
But, please don't.
FT
I think there definitely are some girls who are super hot at Black and have the beauty implied by the term "fashion model". I pulled out a girl who could be considered a fashion model. I asked her if she ever consider modelling and the answer was- she was a little short (165 cm) If you do not take height in to consideration she is a genuine fashion model and she is very much aware of that fact. As Hunt 99 pointed out in his post " I don't think it's height that we're concerned with here, are we?".
Victor 01
Orlandoirish
01-03-06, 09:51
Mongers:
In Orlando we have A1 gents club called "Rachels"--with girls that are 10+.
Judging by that scale I found the chicas at Blacks no more than 8+. I went there 3X last week and didn t leave with chica! They simply were not up to what I expected, and told the black (African) bouncer so. The ONLY excwption was Banilla, the MOST georgeous stripper in the BLACK. I didnt ask for her #, but next time I will. The girl hs 0% BF, and looks like she could suck chrome off a bumber!1
Viva-la-Banilla
Full Throttle
01-03-06, 16:49
Guyana? I thought it was a Dutch possession at one point like Suriname, but maybe it was a UK colony afterward. That seems like the only possiblity.
So, he's an African-Guyanian?
FT
Full Throttle
01-03-06, 16:50
Mongers:
In Orlando we have A1 gents club called "Rachels"--with girls that are 10+.
Judging by that scale I found the chicas at Blacks no more than 8+. I went there 3X last week and didn t leave with chica! How many do you leave with from Rachel's?
DickHead,
Nice to hear from you.
Hows your vacation?
Exon
Orlandoirish
01-03-06, 18:26
Same as I choose to leave with from Black: 1 at a time. Why do you ask?
BTW, the gentleman at door to Blacks told me he was from Africa. What the hell does that matter in grand scheme of the universe. Don't you have a DAY job? LMAO, Wal-mart is hiring I hear!
;-)
Same as I choose to leave with from Black: 1 at a time. Why do you ask?I believe FT's point is girls from Rachel's might be hot, but how many of them are available? And my question is even if they were available, how much would have to pay? I personally prefer be at a place where all the girls are available and within my reach financially than be at a place that requires some self love at the end of night.
PS - I am in no way saying Black is the place to be as I have not yet been there and probably will not pull any chica from there anytime soon.
Orlandoirish
01-03-06, 23:47
Fair enuff why'all. I got my monger cherry popped last week in BsAs; Black was only joint I went to as I had take-out 100% of the time. The dancers, IMHO, were the hottest girls in the room. And yes, at Rachels you can leave with dancers, $300USD for 1.5 hrs. Unless you are frequent flyer like myself. Then get lil cheaper.
Anyhow, in BsAs, I'll be "Back in Black".
If Rachel's girls are truely 10+, $300 for 1.5 hour is a good price in Sex Prison, as long as it includes full service. Enjoy the rest of your time in BsAs!
Full Throttle
01-04-06, 13:35
And yes, at Rachels you can leave with dancers, $300USD for 1.5 hrs. Unless you are frequent flyer like myself. Then get lil cheaper.I'm shocked. Rachel's is a high profile place right near the airport, I believe. The Orlando area is not the greatest for the escort scene in terms of availability and price, so I'm amazed by your revelation. Looking forward to talking to you about it sometime.
One Tree Hill
01-04-06, 19:41
But I would rather pay 100 pesos for a "7" in BA than $300 USD for a "10" in the US. I guess I am a romantic and adventurer at heart. Fact is is I have only mongered off shore. US mongering does not appeal to me (well, not so much as say BA or Thailand) For me mongering is a full senses thrill, place, people, food, culture etc.
Now I do enjoy a decent "bottomless" club experience like.
Tootsies Cabaret in N Miami Beach. Did get a little "russian" from a sweet little Colombiana in the private room for $20 per song.
If Rachel's girls are truely 10+, $300 for 1.5 hour is a good price in Sex Prison, as long as it includes full service. Enjoy the rest of your time in BsAs!
Mongers:
In Orlando we have A1 gents club called "Rachels"--with girls that are 10+.
Judging by that scale I found the chicas at Blacks no more than 8+. I went there 3X last week and didn t leave with chica! They simply were not up to what I expected, and told the black (African) bouncer so. The ONLY excwption was Banilla, the MOST georgeous stripper in the BLACK. I didnt ask for her #, but next time I will. The girl hs 0% BF, and looks like she could suck chrome off a bumber!1
Viva-la-BanillaYeah "Rachels" is nice but the girls don't even do lap dances let alone to take them out. If you can let me know who. I work in Orlando.
SobeLizzard
01-26-06, 19:05
This is the dead period in Buenos Aires.
Typically foreign mongers don't visit Buenos Aires until mid April.
Thus don't expect any great stories or threads for the next couple of months.
The dead period is the first half of January. Most chicas are already back from vacation and most places are already operating at nearly full capacity.
Full Throttle
01-26-06, 23:14
Boy, sometimes I really miss Dickhead's post "observations."
Everybody stay away till April!
FT
Went to Black yesterday at around 1:30h. No cover charge, to my surprise, but that would have been a waste of money. There were still more girls than guys there but I haven't seen any girl I would rate above 6. Maybe the good ones were out already for their first round. But regarding quality it was as bad as 2 weeks ago when I went there during the week.
Was it just bad timing?
In contrary, at the same times a lot of hotties were at Madahos
Yeah Crash,
I went to Black twice last week and found the Chicas not only of lower rate, but many are "vultures" as well. Unfortunately, my little head got the best of me and I selected one that stole money from my apartment. This after creating a bogus argument about me giving her less money than originally agreed. If anyone want to see, I'll post photos to warn them to avoid her.
No doubt about it, there is a real downgrade in Quality - and Looks! After questioning a contact of mine that works the door, I was told that most of these gremlins are fill-ins. This new crop was brought in to cover for the regulars that are now on sabbatical.
Full Throttle
01-28-06, 20:36
Yeah Crash,
If anyone want to see, I'll post photos to warn them to avoid her.ABSOLUTELY. Because, as MOST everyone knows, these girls end up all over town, and a bit of insight would be great. The theft thing sometimes can be argued, but the fact that she reneged (can we say that in the forum? Is good enough reason to avoid her.
FT
Full Throttle
01-29-06, 00:48
Is there really no cover charge at certain times, or did the poster assume that all beers were the price of the first one?
Most of my buddies will probably fall off their chairs when they read this, but, my next trip, I hereby resolve to visit Black, Madaho's or both. In five years of going to BA, I've never been to either place. I'm sure I'll laugh my way all the way back to the triangle, but I will try, nonetheless.
FT
Just for those of you that are interested, this is the thief! Please note: I am not posting these out of spite - simply to inform.
Thomaso276
01-29-06, 11:28
This is Black material? Woof!
Exportgoldman
02-23-06, 19:13
I went to Blacks last night around 2AM. The cover charge was AR30p, and I got a free drink with the cover charge.
There was a guy in front of me which was arguing with the cashier, something to do with the taxi driver, and being ripped off. He was pissed off!
Anyways, the staff are good, speak english - for those people which that is important.
The bar is up two flights of well lit stairs, and is quite a big club, reminds me of a normal nightclub at home, and it was packed out big time, it had a equal mix of boys / girls, and a rotating mix of 4 poll dancers.
The poll dancers were some of the most beautiful creatures ever to be seen, model material, beautiful bodies and faces.
I ordered a Pina Colarda and a cigar and proceeded to enjoy the show. The place was big and packed enough that there is no preasure to make conversation or take a girl home. (I was in the mood for a good show.)
The place slowly emptied out around 4AM, and they slowly lowered the music and turned the lights up a fraction. There were about 7 girls left in the place of 5-7 quality. I finished my cigar and left.
All in all, a good show for a reasonable price, There were a few girls I would have taken home if I was in the mood:-)
I'll be bringing some VIPs down to Buenos Aires next month and I'm just trying to do some preperatory fact finding. I thank you in advance for your help.
1) I was in Black's late last year and I remember buying a bottle of champagne or two for my table. I can't remember exactly what happened - was I able to give the girls glasses from the bottle in lieu of paying for their drinks? Or did I need to pay for their drinks also?
2) I want to bring these guys to Blacks because the girls are pretty beuatiful there. But I'm concerned, because I'll have no idea which are rip-offs and which are good deals. And I want my guys to have a good time. I guess this isn't really a question (other than whether I'm crazy to be concerned about this) - but something I'll have to make a decision on later on.
Member #4110
03-09-06, 12:44
I took my first trip to Black's last night, just to see how the wealthy live. I nursed my 30 peso beer until it was warm and just observed. The first thing I have to say is that the ladies were not nearly as attractive as I thought they would be. Of course, what attracts me might be totally different from what attracts you, and viva la differencia. But what turned me off was the artificiality of most of the ladies: fake and often outlandish breasts, ridiculous outfits, and smiles (some bad teeth even there) frozen into overly made-up faces (some skin problems too) And I was surprised to see a lot of belly, thigh, and butt fat that they were trying to hide in their costumes.
On the positive side, the ratio was pretty good, and the ladies were not pushy. The place looked relatively clean with lots of mirrors, and the furniture was comfortable. No one tried to push drinks on me.
One observation is that I saw very few couples actually leaving together. It seemed that most of the money was spent on drinks for the ladies, not sexual services. Come to think of it, I can sit for an hour in other clubs or in the two coffee shops and see very few deals struck. It appears that many of the ladies strike out.
I could not get a phone number from anyone without buying a drink first, and I did not see anyone whose phone number was worth 45 pesos. Truly, on my scale, I did not see a 9 or 10 in the place, and that makes me wonder where in the hell the true models work (or maybe they have sugar daddies) I do see 10's on the streets every day in this city.
There were a few ladies I would have been pleased to spend time with, but I could find similar quality at Club Jaz and Catto's. Indeed, I found a lady at Jaz who is a 9 in my book: real breasts, tastefully dressed, lovely face not needing all that cover-up. Also, in my book (and again YMMV) the ladies in the apartments who will give it their all for 120 pesos are often as attractive as the ladies I saw at Black's. Any dancer in Indianapolis puts on a better show than the Black's pole girls I saw (nice butts but unattractive, aloof faces)
I can see taking your business associates to Black's to make them feel like they are highly valued beings of the upper class, as opposed to places that have bathrooms that stink and furniture that, even in the dim light, looks irretrievably stained 10 years ago. Your business associates will rub elbows with guys in suits who wear cologne, and if some guy falls off his chair drunk and thereby knocks over a chica (this happened last night) at least the guy is well-dressed.
WNR.
I went to Black on a Saturday night, around 1 AM.
Gosh, there were 15 girls maybe, but only 2 or 3, no more, were under 30 years old. The others were indeed all quite old.
Only 4 or 5 were (barely) doable.
The manager was a bit ashamed (after I complained) so, he actually was nice enough to give me a free pass for another night. He said that Saturday is THE bad night. Thanks for letting me know, people on the board.:(
Will try Black some other night maybe then, but forget the Saturdays!
MK,
Several people have noted that Blacks simply charges higher prices and has a reputable name, unexplainably. Possibly due to its location, close to Alvear hotel etc.
I had a similar experience to yours (more than once) and consequently stopped visiting the place, even though its only about 4 blocks from my house. Havent been there in a couple of years.
The last time I went I remember that the "girls" were rough types. And ladies/women would have been a more accurate term than girls - for me girl denotes <30.
The ladies were generally dressed classier than in most places, in what *might* be called a cocktail dress. But as the saying goes, "its tough putting lipstick on a pig". "Although the monkey is dressed in silk, its still a monkey" would also be pertinent.
I disagree very strongly with Moore's opinion about the quality of chicas in the place. But then again he's on record as saying most chicas in BsAs are unattractive.
However, I would note that if you read the forum, it's well-reported that Friday and Saturday are the worst nights for this place (as well as for most boliches)
It all comes down to a judgment call. I might think a place is full of skanks and sharks while another guy loves it.
I disagree very strongly with Moore's opinion about the quality of chicas in the place. But then again he's on record as saying most chicas in BsAs are unattractive.Argentina has the highest % of gorgeous/sexy chicas that I've ever seen in the world, Prague / Florence / Barcelona are not in the same league or even the same sport. I doubt I'd live here otherwise. But >90% of WORKING chicas in BA are nasty skanks is what I said and know, unfortunately.
Like I said, I've walked out of Black more than once due to seeing nothing even remotely doable, which is quite a feat for Moore after a few beers. Again, I just don't know how these places do it - finding hot babes in Argentina is like finding sand in the Sahara but they still manage to assemble a freakshow lineup.
Jjgoinslow
03-19-06, 19:32
In general I agree with Moore here. I think you have to search around a bit to find attractive (& young ie 19-25 yrs) women, of those you need trial and error to find the ones that have a good attitude both in general and that click with you specifically. I have maybe 2 or 3 favoritas and I really searched for them.
I think the clubs in general are hit or miss. Depends on day, time, whos been taken out already. Many girls have a skill to turn on the charm to get the sell and then the charm disappears in the bedroom. Other women seem to have little charm and then are awesome in bed. Some will warm up alot on the second visit because they realize you may not be a one-time client.
Blacks is not exempt from any of these generalizations.
Jj
Daddy Rulz
03-20-06, 12:56
I've talked about this before. I used to go to Black just after the crash and it was FULL of 8s and 9s with the occasional 10. Seriously there was very little diff between the chicas available and the pole dancers. Then as 2001 (I think that was the year of the crash) the quality started to slip. Some time in 04 I was there with some rich friends and it was full of a lot of fat chicas, really bad. I mentioned it to a waitress that I remembered and asked if it was just the night or the place had changed. She said it had changed. I think two things happened, a lot of the really top quality girls went to Europe. And when Madaho opened there was a migration of some more. You can still find a beautiful woman there if you look and take your time but its not what it once was. I do like their rule that chicas can't approach uninvited though.
Daddy, aren't you and Moore confusing Black with the Microcentro clubs?
Granted, I haven't been in Black for a couple of months, but I somehow doubt that the place is all-of-a-sudden full of fat skanks.
As I see it there are three issues at play here.
First, the matter of personal preferences. There's no accounting for taste.
Second, every club is always in a state of flux. Getting better, getting worse, even from night to night. I usually avoid the boliches on Friday and Saturday nights (Sunday nights, too, though I think quality gets better on Sunday night over the previous two).
Third, the inevitable wearing-off of the first shock one gets when visiting Buenos Aires when you return for multiple trips. If you read this board's archives, you will see posters saying things have been going steadily downhill since the 1990s. New guys tend to come on the board, and say WOW! Experienced hands who hang around tend to say "Everything sucks, all the hotties have left for Europe."
All I can say is that I am an old hand in this place, and I haven't seen any great dropoff. Certainly I can find "ugly" chicas here if I look hard enough. But that's true of every club in the world. On my last visit, I shepherded a newbie on his first trip to Buenos Aires, a guy who has visited bordellos the world over, and he was absolutely flabbergasted, beside himself, drooling, at the quality of the 100 or so chicas in this place.
Daddy Rulz
03-20-06, 16:27
Daddy, aren't you and Moore confusing Black with the Microcentro clubs?Can't speak for Moore but for myself only. When I first started coming here I used to go to Black a fair amount. It really was unbelievable then, Kinda like going to a party at the Playboy Mansion (or rather as I imagine one would be never having attended one). After the first year I noticed a small decline. I didnt go for probably a year or so then I went again and it seemed to really have fallen off. 6 months after that visit was the one I mentioned in my post. I havent been there for over a year so I can't really speak about how it is now.
I didnt mean to imply that it was full of skanks because that has never been my experiance, only that it is not packed with the stunners it once was.
. It really was unbelievable then, Kinda like going to a party at the Playboy Mansion (or rather as I imagine one would be never having attended one)Blacks, or Madahos, is not like going to a Playboy mansion or club party. However, it's not that bad a second place, in my opinion. Quality levels differ on various nights, time of night, time of month, but in general, both Blacks and Madahos have as a general population a higher quality in terms of just looks than other clubs I've been here, which isn't all, but a good number of. Yes, other clubs have girls easily as good as those at Blacks, just that there's only a few in each - as a single large group, Blacks and Madahos seems to be the highest median average.
Daddy - being at a Playboy Mansion party is fun, pics are from Bliss in Los Angeles for Halloween. However, while I found the girls a lot more friendly at a Playboy party and the fun factor is great, the scene today as we know it in Blacks is pretty darn good too as the guaranteed P4P comes with zero complications. The Charlie Sheen quote of not really needing to pay for sex but for paying them to leave comes to mind as any bunny you take home or go out with comes with a lot of complications.
Daddy Rulz
03-21-06, 00:58
Doc,
If having your job in the city you work wasnt enough to be despised by all, these pics (assuming you took them and I do) should make you the hated by mongers everywhere.:)
Ill defer to your opinion on Black as, like I said, I have not been inside in over a year. I'm sticking to my story though that it was amazing in 01 through the mid of 02.
I agree completely regarding your comments on the median being higher, the price is as well. I know the differance between triangle pricing and Recoletta pricing isnt that huge of a deal for you as well as a lot of others. I figure if your having a good time and the kids aint going hungry your doing something right no?
PD regarding the blonde nurse, is it every appropriate to take the anal temp of the nurse? I guess what Im asking is, when do the sick get to play?
Third, the inevitable wearing-off of the first shock one gets when visiting Buenos Aires when you return for multiple trips. If you read this board's archives, you will see posters saying things have been going steadily downhill since the 1990s. New guys tend to come on the board, and say WOW! Experienced hands who hang around tend to say "Everything sucks, all the hotties have left for Europe."In 5 years I have not become accustomed to the incredibly high number of beautiful, sexy (but not trashy) chicas you see running around everywhere in this country. I am still shocked everyday. The novelty of having a huge market of reasonably priced whoares does wear off to a degree, at least in the case of this American.
I haven't noticed any great decline in the P4P talent during my time here. When I just moved here I used to do incall a lot and even then I would reject girls at the door. Then and now, finding a doable whoare here can take some legwork, even when you visit the "best" whoarehouses.
PS 100 chicas - where?
. Regarding the blonde nurse, is it every appropriate to take the anal temp of the nurse? I guess what I'm asking is, when do the sick get to play?If you look closely, you'll see she's actually dressed as a Krispy Kreme girl, and while I can't say about her taking a little anal temp probing, Pennelope here as the angelic angel didn't mind at least role playing a nurse, probes included where ever it fit. She was Miss Playmate of the Month for March 2003 (Pennelope Jimenez). But like I said, complications galore. I'll take a Blacks or Madahos gal w/o the complications (again, not all as there are uglies for sure in both, but there's a decent number that's a good second-best in lieu of freaky PB bunnies)
I was using a crappy disposable digital at the time but the full size pics for a better look at the goods can be found here -
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In 5 years I have not become accustomed to the incredibly high number of beautiful, sexy (but not trashy) chicas you see running around everywhere in this country. I am still shocked everyday. The novelty of having a huge market of reasonably priced whoares does wear off to a degree, at least in the case of this American.
I haven't noticed any great decline in the P4P talent during my time here. When I just moved here I used to do incall a lot and even then I would reject girls at the door. Then and now, finding a doable whoare here can take some legwork, even when you visit the "best" whoarehouses.
PS 100 chicas - where?You and I are in the minority when we say that we haven't seen any great decline in the P4P talent in Argentina. I read it so often, it makes me laugh. And for a while I believed it myself, before I realized it was just a situation with the outstanding first impressions giving way to familiarity.
Last time I was in Black, there were probably around 100 chicas. Hard to say, as it was wall-to-wall pussy. Maybe it was 80. It was fairly early, 11pm or so on a Thursday night, as memory serves.
Here's one from Saint dated 9/19/04
I also agree with you about the quality across the board. Not just in the Recoleta clubs but in all the clubs here in Buenos Aires. The quality has steadily gone down over the years. MANY girls have headed to Europe or Mexico City. Hysteromania said the same thing on 7/15/03:
Now going back to the talent drain of chicas in BA and less bang for the buck (he he) There are 2 sides of the argument to be understood about talent decline in BA. Like most opportunities, once a place gets exploited, things change. Talk to others about how things have changed in Bangkok, whereas you had more girls who would go long time and now girls ask for more money and prefer short time.
In BA, I think a lot of girls have moved on- either to new places (alot of Argentine girls working it now in Europe for instance) JustGotBack's comments on 5/26/03 sound familiar:
While I don't think the sky is falling. In my opinion, the quality has definitely gone down. I wouldn't cancel your trip to BA just yet. It's still a great place. I've been there once every couple of months for over a year. I still look forward to going back. For me it's the sum of the experience. I love the city itself and the people who live there. I've thought often about moving there for a year or two. But if you're here solely for the girls, I'd go elsewhere. To me, it's nothing really special anymore. Anyway, just a few quotes from one brief search of the archives. Plenty more where those came from. Truly, the Buenos Aires mongering scene has been going steadily downhill since the beginning of time. Or not.;)
If you look closely, you'll see she's actually dressed as a Krispy Kreme girl, and while I can't say about her taking a little anal temp probing, Pennelope here as the angelic angel didn't mind at least role playing a nurse, probes included where ever it fit. In a way, this demonstrates what various men are attracted to. Some are looking for a Barbie doll, a plastic nurse, a role player, a Krispy Kreme girl(?), a Martian... I believe that this is why transvestites are in such high demand - they have the qualities that many guys seek.
Other guys, like me, are simply attracted to regular, natural, human women. I guess I'm a wierdo in that sense.
Some of the people on this forum seem to truly think that the girls here are the best-looking in the world. One guy even wrote: "they are better than in Praga"! I laughed quite a bit.
So, there you will stand corrected: girls are actually (a lot) more beautiful in eastern Europe, especially in Baltic or Slavic States. Just go to Moscow or Riga, you will drop your jaw to the ground, seeing the beauty of the (many) girls.
And in Eastern Europe, no girl older than 25 would dare work in a men's Club. We don't fuc**** pay for girls older than 24-25 in Russia, believe me.
Or if you did, you would loose the respect of your friends and neighbors, meaning you would also loose your car and personal belongings, soon enough.;) anyway.
This said, girls here in BA are often very pretty, OK. But, please, don't compare them to our stunning Russian girls;) not the same league here!
Rock Harders
03-22-06, 16:01
MarcoKool-
I live in the NYC sphere, and I can tell you that we have a plethora of Russian girls, they come over often through human traffickers and get work cleaning houses. Then, they get tired of getting paid $3 USD an hour for cleaning, and move on to becoming strippers. Just walk into any strip club in Atlantic City, NYC, or any place in between, and more than half the girls will be Russian, Czech, Slovak, or Polish. I know it is a matter of personal preference, but I find these women crass, unrefined, and generally "sin sal"- tasteless.
The best Argentine women are 10x more exotic, refined, high class, and sexy than those "dime a dozen" Eastern Europeans, IMO.
Suerte,
Dirk Diggler
The best Argentine women are 10x more exotic, refined, high class, and sexy than those "dime a dozen" Eastern Europeans, IMO.I agree. I have visited Prague and there are tons of beautiful girls there - except when you enter K5 (the Black of Prague) where you will find a freakshow of ladies (many well over the hill also). I nailed the only reasonably young/sexy girl there but she was crosseyed with buck teeth.
I have not visited Russia (difficult to get a visa, no?) but have known and seen several rusas. There are some pretty ones but mostly butt-ugly skanks. I dated one in the USA for a few months. I have never seen a Russian girl with a sexy body, nor have I seen one that was more refined than a grizzly bear. Ive seen many more attractive, sexy, elegant American girls thans Russians, and that sucks.
Moreover, the E European girls, especially Russians, seem quite cold, bitchy, and crude. I almost always avoid EE girls that are on the P4P menu because I dont want to deal with their attitide). Elegant, refined, or warm are not terms that apply to them. I lived in London and had a fair amount of exposure to these immigrants. I visited Budapest once and every female there seemed heinous. The girls from Czech Rep, Slovenia, Croatia seem to be more refined/elegant that the rest of the brutal cavewomen of EEurope (the latter 2 are right next to Italy which maybe explains why) I believe that Italy was the source of most immigrants to Argentina, also partially explaining the beauty and sensuality of the girls here.
Some guys rave about Thai girls, I strongly disagree. Russian (and most other EEuropean) girls, you can have them - just keep them far away from me.
I've actually spent more time in Eastern Europe than I have in Argentina. I would have to say that the women in each are have their own charms, and that they're not strictly comparable.
But is one intrinsically "better" than the other? No. If you put a gun to my head and made me choose, I would say that Russian women are better than Argentine women, and that Slovak women beat them both. But it's mainly a matter of personal taste.
Two other errors have slipped into this discussion.
First, judging a country's women by the knowledge of their whoares and strippers is pretty silly.
And second, judging a country's women by the quality of their cleaning women slaving away in a Brooklyn office building is equally dumb.
You have to go in country and meet the real women to be able to judge the differences. And once you do, I think the judgments become much more difficult.
Well, one thing is for sure, just enter any Men's Club in Russia, on Nevski Prospekt, or near Novi Arbat, and you're going to find real 8+ girls. Whereas here, if you get a 5+ girl, you're the luckiest Bs As monger!;)
Also, young women in Moscow are just about as refined and classy as women in Bs As. Of course, if you're talking about girls in Kharkhov, that's another story.
To end with, you're right about Croatia, it's indeed become an Italo-German stretch of land, very beautiful and over-expensive.
I went to Black not too long ago to check it out. I knew it was expensive, but I wanted to see what it was all about. I was talking to a chica and agreed to buy her a drink. She told the waitress what she wanted and the waitress brought it back and handed me a bill for 150 pesos. I paid and left shortly thereafter, I think I will stick to the triangle. Just curious if this is common or did the chica I was talking to screw me. Do they get commission or something?
I went to Black not too long ago to check it out. I knew it was expensive, but I wanted to see what it was all about. I was talking to a chica and agreed to buy her a drink. She told the waitress what she wanted and the waitress brought it back and handed me a bill for 150 pesos. I paid and left shortly thereafter, I think I will stick to the triangle. Just curious if this is common or did the chica I was talking to screw me. Do they get commission or something?My response is RTFF
Well. Thanks Hunt. I have been reading TFF. Although I am new to this forum I am not brand new to BA mongering. You all have probably seen me out and I may have bumped into you before, I just keep a low profile and don't go out of my way to meet people. It was just this last trip that I found Alamo and this website. I usually go to Excedra, Hook, Cattos, Suipacha 921, couple of visits with Beatriz, and a few street chicas in between. I knew Black was expensive and I went with no intention of getting a girl there, just wanted to check it out. I met this girl I enjoyed talking to so I decided to buy her a drink, expecting 60-80 pesos, then see how it went from there. I was shocked by the 150 peso charge is all and wanted to see if anyone else had experienced this. But thanks for the reply anyway man.
Never experienced a 150p charge for a chica drink at Blacks. Are you quite sure you didn't perhaps order (2) chica drinks?
What kind of drink did they serve up to the gal you were talking with that presented a 150p bill to you?
Normally the drinks in there, depending on whether the girl orders (or you let her order technically) are 60-80 pesos; a soft drink for the chica will be 60, a local or national brand liquor drink 70, and a premium brand liquor 80+, but I've never heard of something so premium short of an entire champagne bottle that would bill you at 150p.
I'll ask to see the menu that they have to show by law next time I'm in there, and see if there is anything listed for 150 or some other price similar to that.
I am not sure what kind of drink it was. It kind of looked like a mimosa or a tequila sunrise. Just a small drink, I was completely blown away. I guess I should have been more forceful and asked to see the price list. I was just out of my element and thought it might be par for the course with all I had heard about Black. I know what to expect at some of the other places and it wouldn't happen there, if I ever go back to Black I will take along someone who knows their way around.
DavidMarlow
04-01-06, 21:13
I am new to this forum, but being in BA this week I am very appreciative of all of the information. I was in Black last night with a friend and picked up a great girl there. I could not pronounce her name but I called her Lola. She was 19/20 brown long hair, brown eyes and very cute and "innocent".
I think we messed up on the whole inexpensive aspect as we sat in a booth against the window and smoked a nice Cigar and had a few drinks. We also looked as if we had money (watches, clothes...)
I was expecting some of the dollar ranges that I had heard (being optomistic) and she came back with 400. Very worth it so I said yes. She was very affectionate, kissing, holding hand and hugging and then we got to the hotel room. She then proceeded to tell me 400 US$ not pesos (rookie mistake there) Luckily I did not have that much cash with me at that time (I probably would have paid it given how much I drank) so I got off for 250 US$.
Is Black just really expensive or did I get taken? I know it is hard to know one way or the other, but I just do not feel like spending 400 US$ all the time while I am here.
Hi DavidMarlow,
Sounds like a pretty typical Black experience to me: You know when you walk in the door that it's going to turn out this way.
One word of advice, which would apply when negotiating with chicas in any situation in Buenos Aires: Always make it clear in the beginning, and definitely before you leave the club, that you are talking in pesos, not dollars. Any chica that insists on negotiating in dollars should be avoided, period.
Thanks,
Jackson
I'd say you got fleeced raw. Paying US$400 here would be somewhat like paying US$10,000 for an average escort in Dallas (or $12,000 if the Dallas escort unexplainably told you she charges in Euros).
What I don't understand is why you would have paid it, already being in your hotel. Whats she going to do, refuse your pesos 400 and walk back to Black? Read below and you'll see that many guys pay pesos 300 there. I would have paid her 410 pesos at the hotel (10 tip for the hilarious joke about USD).
What else would 400 mean? Japanese Yen? Venezuelan Bolivars? Ounces of gold? Why should anyone assume that you're carrying anything but the national currency?
You'll learn quickly here, no worries. I'd suggest reading a bit more. When you see that girls (some good ones) working at SF1707 make 70 pesos for a session (they only get 60% of that) how could a whoare here, any whoare, be charging 30 TIMES that!
I certainly dont abdicate being a penny pincher down here. Part of the fun is not worrying about money. But paying US prices for whoares every night can get damn expensive - beef and whoares are abundant and cheap in Argentina.
Thomaso276
04-02-06, 02:05
I am back in sex prison for a couple of more weeks. I have not been home (Florida) for a year and cannot help but notice the high prices here for everything.
I do not think I will complain about inflation in BA when I get back but I do want to make a point.
There are thousands of messages on this board about the going rate for chicas and yet guys continue to overpay. Recently, one guy was even going to show me and others what top quality 200 dollar and hour chicas were like. After I met them I was not impressed.
I have pulled better out of Excedra and Cutty Sark for 125 pesos!
So here is my message to all those fucking idiots who do not seem to understand the system in BA.
STOP PAYING DOLLARS! YOU ARE RUINING IT FOR THE REST OF US WHO EITHER LIVE IN BA OR SPEND ALOT OF TIME THERE. YOUR INNOCENT LITTLE TRIPS AND "I ONLY DID IT ONCE" STORIES ARE FUELING INFLATION AND GIVING THESE GIRLS THE IDEA THAT THEY ARE WORTH HUNDREDS PER HOUR. THEY ARE NOT WORTH IT. THEY DO KNOW THAT A FOOL AND HIS MONEY ARE SOON DEPARTED.
If you are not sure about the scene stop in to the Alamo, PM some senior members or just RTFF and all wil be okay.
Get with the program or go to your local strip club and overpay for a lap dance.
Hi Thomas,
I just returned from a month in Florida, and I the same reaction: $15-$20 for a steak in the grocery store, $2.50 per gallon for gas, etc.
Thanks,
Jackson
Inflation in the USA interests me, I have spent little time there in the last 5 years. Sure I know about real estate prices and gas from the news, but I'm basically out of touch with daily costs there.
Does Florida count as "USA"?;) Many places I go in South Texas don't IMO.
Perhaps a new thread on this topic would be useful for US expats in Argentina.
Relating to DavidMarlow's story, I pulled a girl from Excedra the other night. Got back to my hotel room and she insisted on being paid first. I argued for despues but no go, so what the hell, pulled out 150P and gave it to her. She then said no, not Pesos I want Dollars. So I pulled the 150P back gave her 5P for taxi and said Ciao. Amazingly, she immediately switched back and 150 Pesos became okay again. Nice how that works, I guess it was the drunk gringo test.
Inflation in the USA interests me, I have spent little time there in the last 5 years. Sure I know about real estate prices and gas from the news, but I'm basically out of touch with daily costs there.
Does Florida count as "USA"?;) Many places I go in South Texas don't IMO.
Perhaps a new thread on this topic would be useful for US expats in Argentina.I'm afraid $2.50 a gallon gas is here to stay (worse in the inner cities and California. But just as always, the suburbs are less expensive. Parking in downtown Chicago costs $250 per month, but a car is a luxury in the city. On the other hand, I've seen real estate rise to unreal levels. $350K will buy a condo in Chicago or a modest house in St George Utah (1 hour from Vegas) What else would you like to know about? I've lived in Nashville TN, middle Conn. And now the Chicago burbs.
Thomaso276
04-02-06, 23:52
Way to go Billy! By the way, negotiate the payment schedule while at the cafe or club, so there are no surprises. How was the service?
Hey Thomaso,
How's it going. I did what I always do and I negotiated my price before leaving. I even negotiated for more than one hour. I think once she got back to the hotel she wanted to pull a fast one. I am wondering when the LCN is going to kick in with me and they will stop with the silly games. I have been with about 30 women here and never fall for the dollar trick. Anyway, the service was alright. She did not seem to be too experienced but that was a plus for me. She didn't take charge or get too into it, she was kinda shy. However she was tight and if I got to enthusiastic it hurt her, so I had to take it slow. A nice change from some I have been getting. Can't remember her name, I will have to go to Excedra again and find her.
There's been some discussion recently here regarding Black's pricing - my own personal observation and opinion is that the standard pricing for Blacks at $200 US or $600 Pesos is the norm. This pricing is for the standard 1hr to 90min session that most girls do, although there is a LOT of YMMV on this. I've pulled a girl out of blacks about a dozen times over the last 3 plus months I've been in BA and it's ranged anywhere from 90 min on the shortest time side to all night sessions with the girl leaving very late morning or afternoon hour the next day on the long side) Cost side has sometimes been a bit under 600p, and sometimes a bit over.
If you're paying over that, unless you're negotiating for a specific longer session scenario, then yes I'd say you're paying more than the 'norm'. If not, just like at any established place, you're paying the expected range.
I pulled a girl out of here last Sunday - my range is pretty broad in terms of trying different girls from different places, but that night I was in the mood for a Madahos or Blacks pull and since I'd been haunting Madahos a bit more than usual lately I went to Blacks. Same standard 30p entry / first drink, and given it was a Sunday, the lineup was still fairly decent.
There's been some other discussions on quality of girls at Blacks - I'm not going to argue it in this posting. Suffice it to say that in the only time period that I can speak to - the past 3 months or so I've been living in BA - the quality level has flucutations but I've found no other pool of consistent good looking working girls better than here or at Madahos. Truthfully, my opinion is that the level is the same between Blacks and Madahos - and it's not one you can gauge with just one or a few visits. I've been to both places when I didnt' see a girl I would take on some nights - but varying for time of night, day of the week, and fluctuations through the month, on average it's usually pretty good - with a few I'd never take and wonder how the heck they managed to get to work there, the majority in the middle that are all ok but nothing to get excited about, a few good to very good looking (both face and body) and a few quite excellent specimens of the natural and augmented female specimen.
I base my tastes on growing up and living in California. I have no weird fetishes on body weight, proportions, etc. And I believe that while I'm personally fairly picky and selective, my 1-10 scale is pretty on par with most standard American males. While none of these Blacks girls rates a 10 on my own personal scale (10 being say your Playboy centerfold, 9 being your average Playboy bunny, 5 being the homely girl with the extra 20-25 lbs we've all seen in college and thought we'd never do but did during some drunken frat party, and 1 being the fattest, most disgusting female I've ever seen) there are on any average given nights at least 1-2 girls that rate a 9 if you don't mind paying the extra fee the dancers rate and ask for, and a decent half dozen or more in the 7-8 category.
My review is on a girl I've seen three times before, name withheld but I consider her pretty standard for the 8 scale girls I've pulled out of there. There's no negotiations anymore since she knows me but like most of the Blacks girls, when I first pulled her out she opened with the $200 US or $600 peso price. I always go for either TLN or long sessions (3 or more hours) so I paid initially 750p which eventually just settled into 600p regardless of the length of time I'm with her, as one would expect with a girl you repeat a number of times with. She stayed a complete TLN with sleep over lasting around 9hrs.
Like about half the girls at Blacks, she'll turn and just walk away if you even attempt to roll your eyes or claim no one is worth the quoted price. Like any transaction based on economics, she gets away with walking because more times than not, she's right. There's no need for her to go with me or some other guy at less than $600pesos that night as more times than not, she'll get the $600p or more and not go home empty. Sure, she's wrong sometimes but for her and about half the girls at Blacks, it's a purely no-brainer money in the bank decision to just not waste time with you bargaining.
The other half does seem to allow some bargaining down, or opens with a slightly lower price - sometimes quoted in US dollars but usually is either 400 or more like 500pesos. Depends again on supply / demand that night but from my own perspective, it's usually the girls I wouldn't go with anyways that comes down from the standard pricing of roughly $200 US. None of the girls I've seen and talked to that on my own scale rate a 8 or above comes off the $200 US / 600peso price, and personally while I think there's some wiggle room on some select nights when it is slower, I personally don't choose to do so for the relatively small cost savings.
Session was quite good - multiple pops and the bj was bbbj but it sort of evolved to that after she had seen me twice. As a norm, I've found that Blacks (and Madahos) girls are much less likely to do bbbj on the first session, but that ALL girls I've been with does after two or more repeats with them (at least for me) This is distinctly different than some other clubs I've been to, such as the Triangle ones of Cattos and Hooks where one can expect it to be the other way around - that most of those girls do bbbj from the start as the norm and it's the ones that don't that are the exceptions.
Drinks have been the subject of price discussions as well, but again, so far in my visits I've never been ripped off and depending on what the girl ordered, the price has been either $60 to 80 pesos.
I've never taken a non-radio taxi from the place so I can't speak to any scam ride reports. But I'd say that anyone who takes a non-radio taxi pretty much brought it on themselves and should blame themselves and not the club.
Great report, Mpexy. The only thing that I can add to your wise commentary is that I have been able to negotiate chicas down from 200USD (to 200 pesos, plus a generous tip afterwards). At least I did on my last trip. Customers were somewhat scarce on that visit, if memory serves. I shall give an update sometime in the next couple of weeks.
There's been some discussion recently here regarding Black's pricing - my own personal observation and opinion is that the standard pricing for Blacks at $200 US or $600 Pesos is the norm. This pricing is for the standard 1hr to 90min session that most girls do, although there is a LOT of YMMV on this. I've pulled a girl out of blacks about a dozen times over the last 3 plus months I've been in BA and it's ranged anywhere from 90 min on the shortest time side to all night sessions with the girl leaving very late morning or afternoon hour the next day on the long side) Cost side has sometimes been a bit under 600p, and sometimes a bit over.
If you're paying over that, unless you're negotiating for a specific longer session scenario, then yes I'd say you're paying more than the 'norm'. If not, just like at any established place, you're paying the expected range.
I pulled a girl out of here last Sunday - my range is pretty broad in terms of trying different girls from different places, but that night I was in the mood for a Madahos or Blacks pull and since I'd been haunting Madahos a bit more than usual lately I went to Blacks. Same standard 30p entry / first drink, and given it was a Sunday, the lineup was still fairly decent.
There's been some other discussions on quality of girls at Blacks - I'm not going to argue it in this posting. Suffice it to say that in the only time period that I can speak to - the past 3 months or so I've been living in BA - the quality level has flucutations but I've found no other pool of consistent good looking working girls better than here or at Madahos. Truthfully, my opinion is that the level is the same between Blacks and Madahos - and it's not one you can gauge with just one or a few visits. I've been to both places when I didnt' see a girl I would take on some nights - but varying for time of night, day of the week, and fluctuations through the month, on average it's usually pretty good - with a few I'd never take and wonder how the heck they managed to get to work there, the majority in the middle that are all ok but nothing to get excited about, a few good to very good looking (both face and body) and a few quite excellent specimens of the natural and augmented female specimen.
I base my tastes on growing up and living in California. I have no weird fetishes on body weight, proportions, etc. And I believe that while I'm personally fairly picky and selective, my 1-10 scale is pretty on par with most standard American males. While none of these Blacks girls rates a 10 on my own personal scale (10 being say your Playboy centerfold, 9 being your average Playboy bunny, 5 being the homely girl with the extra 20-25 lbs we've all seen in college and thought we'd never do but did during some drunken frat party, and 1 being the fattest, most disgusting female I've ever seen) there are on any average given nights at least 1-2 girls that rate a 9 if you don't mind paying the extra fee the dancers rate and ask for, and a decent half dozen or more in the 7-8 category.
My review is on a girl I've seen three times before, name withheld but I consider her pretty standard for the 8 scale girls I've pulled out of there. There's no negotiations anymore since she knows me but like most of the Blacks girls, when I first pulled her out she opened with the $200 US or $600 peso price. I always go for either TLN or long sessions (3 or more hours) so I paid initially 750p which eventually just settled into 600p regardless of the length of time I'm with her, as one would expect with a girl you repeat a number of times with. She stayed a complete TLN with sleep over lasting around 9hrs.
Like about half the girls at Blacks, she'll turn and just walk away if you even attempt to roll your eyes or claim no one is worth the quoted price. Like any transaction based on economics, she gets away with walking because more times than not, she's right. There's no need for her to go with me or some other guy at less than $600pesos that night as more times than not, she'll get the $600p or more and not go home empty. Sure, she's wrong sometimes but for her and about half the girls at Blacks, it's a purely no-brainer money in the bank decision to just not waste time with you bargaining.
The other half does seem to allow some bargaining down, or opens with a slightly lower price - sometimes quoted in US dollars but usually is either 400 or more like 500pesos. Depends again on supply / demand that night but from my own perspective, it's usually the girls I wouldn't go with anyways that comes down from the standard pricing of roughly $200 US. None of the girls I've seen and talked to that on my own scale rate a 8 or above comes off the $200 US / 600peso price, and personally while I think there's some wiggle room on some select nights when it is slower, I personally don't choose to do so for the relatively small cost savings.
Session was quite good - multiple pops and the bj was bbbj but it sort of evolved to that after she had seen me twice. As a norm, I've found that Blacks (and Madahos) girls are much less likely to do bbbj on the first session, but that ALL girls I've been with does after two or more repeats with them (at least for me) This is distinctly different than some other clubs I've been to, such as the Triangle ones of Cattos and Hooks where one can expect it to be the other way around - that most of those girls do bbbj from the start as the norm and it's the ones that don't that are the exceptions.
Drinks have been the subject of price discussions as well, but again, so far in my visits I've never been ripped off and depending on what the girl ordered, the price has been either $60 to 80 pesos.
I've never taken a non-radio taxi from the place so I can't speak to any scam ride reports. But I'd say that anyone who takes a non-radio taxi pretty much brought it on themselves and should blame themselves and not the club.Is danny still the manager at Black?
So Mplexy is taking them from Blacks at 600 p. And Hunt99 has taken them for 200 p. (although at a different time) This is quite a difference. I certainly don't know Blacks, but at Madahos the price is 300 p. Although some will go for an hour for 200. I think Mplexy is to be commended for reporting his real experience, though most here will think it an insane use of money.
So Mplexy is taking them from Blacks at 600 p. And Hunt99 has taken them for 200 p. (although at a different time) This is quite a difference. I certainly don't know Blacks, but at Madahos the price is 300 p. Although some will go for an hour for 200. I think Mplexy is to be commended for reporting his real experience, though most here will think it an insane use of money.To reiterate what I thought was a key point of my post - a number of the girls, what seems like half in my experience up to this point, and especially those I personally rate as an 8 or above on my scale will not really move down from the 600p level. So that's what I pay, or a bit more, depending on number of total hours I want them for. Although I generally pay just the base rate or a little more and then just count on the repeat sessions factor to greatly stretch out my time.
The other half or so as I said does open with a lower price, typically 400-500p as while I'm at the bar I've heard a number of conversations between these girls and other customers or guys I've gone in there with, and does seem to be able to be bargained down from that as well, just that I've chosen not to do so or pull these girls that I rate below a 8 on my scale.
This was my first time to BA. I have read many of the posts and there was so much conflicting information, it was difficult to decide what was best for me to try. I walked from the Hilton to a number of the places, I walked by Jaz and all of the joints around there and nothing jumped out other than all the guys with cards. I finally decided to head to Blacks. I paid the 35p at the door and asked if that included first drink which it did.
Overall, I thought the girls averaged about a 7. I only saw one or two girls that made me say woof. There were a number (10+) of girls I would call 8 or above. I would say the quality was very high. I did not find the girls pushy: they try to make eye contact but if you smile and look away, they leave you alone. I had a few beers, watched the scene and left alone so I can not comment on pricing or the process. But, coming from the US, I dropped about $35 and watched a large number of beautiful women mill around and a few dance and put on a show. This is the equal of the cover charge at Scores in NYC. Overall, I was happy with the experience and the place.
Again, this is just my opinion as a first time visitor.
My guess is that mpexy is only pulling out the knockouts. I never even bother with them. My first trip I pulled out one of them and the sex was sub standard. This girl is so hot that shes definitely not interested in sex with me, it has to be fake. I like pulling out the lower 50% in Blacks because at least they will appreciate the attention that they're getting. They can be had for 4, 500 pesos or less I bet if you're a regular customer like Hunt99 seems to be. If you establish some connection with any girl, I think they will usually go lower.
I like pulling out the lower 50% in Blacks because at least they will appreciate the attention that they're getting. They can be had for 4, 500 pesos or less I bet if you're a regular customer like Hunt99 seems to be.I don't get the idea.
Why pulling out the lower 50% of Black girls for ARS 400-500 when you can pull the high end of other boliches for ARS 150-200?
Girls at Black are usually a couple of notches above the average, but if speaking about the lower 50% , they cannot be much prettier than the best ones at Cattos or Cocodrilo.
Andres
I like to pick from that group also. I look for the rock bottom 3% though. I usually can bag one for around 200 U.S. for 90 minutes.
Starfe
Daddy Rulz
04-16-06, 18:50
I was telling Stowe about it the other day. Best sex Ive ever had in my life was with a chicka from Black. A buddy came down with me after just selling his company and was loaded. I took him to Black and to show his appreciation he paid for my choice. I've written about her before so no boring details, though I will say that she got me off more in the smallest amount of time than any chica before in my life. Cost was US 200 and worth every penny.
600 P doesnt mean the same to Mpexy as it may to me. If he's happy with what he's getting, there can be some amazing women at Black. However IMHO its not what it was 4 years ago.
Plus you have the added benifit of protection from AIDS (inside joke)
Yep, I'm happy at Blacks, and I pay what I need to pay to get what I want there, but it also depends on the place I'm at.
I like a mix of things, and to change things up all the time - both in types of places and types of gals. So while I would say I frequent Blacks or Madahos a bit more than some other places, I do get around to a lot of other places as well. And when I go from place to place, I don't pay the same.
I'm not that huge on negotiating a girl to her absolute bottom level, and probably not that popular with the budget police crowd, but I try to pay starting as a base from what I think is the roughly going rate at that location. E. G. A downtown club girl definitely does not get 600p no matter what she looks like. Different places, different rates.
I don't get the idea.
Why pulling out the lower 50% of Black girls for ARS 400-500 when you can pull the high end of other boliches for ARS 150-200?
Girls at Black are usually a couple of notches above the average, but if speaking about the lower 50% , they cannot be much prettier than the best ones at Cattos or Cocodrilo.
AndresNo way. Perhaps the upper 25% in somewhere like Affaire, but I find the lower 50% in Blacks to be much hotter than the upper 50% in the triangle. That being said I'm not a Blacks regular, I will just pull from there from time to time.
I can give one solid example. 2 trips ago I pulled a girl for 410 pesos, I posted about it in this thread and got flamed of course. But this girl had a rock hard body, 6 pack, goes to the gym every single day, and f'ed my brains out. It's unlikey that I would have found this babe in the triangle. Definitely a top 10 or 15 experience for me.
The great service hinged upon the fact that she was busting her ass for about 30 minutes just to get my attention and buy her a drink. Sure they are all trying to get your attention, but when one is being so diligent about it for an extended period of time, I have to check it out and see what's going on. We talked and she was nice, and she also wanted me to come swimming in her apartment building the next day. I declined because I had other obligations, but still it was a great experience.
Anyways I don't like hanging out in dive bars in the United States, so I'm sure as hell not going to pay all that money and start hanging out at dive bars in argentina (eg flores, the triangle, crocodillo). Just different strokes for different folks.
FYI - I just want to make sure my opinion is differentiated from anyone elses. Can't comment on Flores, and while this thread is about Blacks and why I like it, I don't consider the triangle clubs like Cattos or Hooks, or Crocodillos to be dive bars.
For my tastes, I end up having to be a lot more selective out of those places, compared to Blacks or Madahos, but I want to be clear that just because I say I prefer the overall higher quality level of Blacks from time to time, that doesn't mean I think these other places are so bad I'd classify it as a real dump or a dive bar.
Anyways I don't like hanging out in dive bars in the United States, so I'm sure as hell not going to pay all that money and start hanging out at dive bars in argentina (eg flores, the triangle, crocodillo) Just different strokes for different folks.Which boliches have you visited in Flores? What didnt you like about the area?
Hi Guys,
This is the thread for Black. If you want to discuss the clubs in Flores, then please start a new thread or move your conversation to one of the existing Flores club threads.
Thanks,
Jackson
Which boliches have you visited in Flores? What didnt you like about the area?I never even been there, but you told me they are all working class places. Not even interested in checking it out to be honest.
Hi Guys,
This is the thread for Black. If you want to discuss the clubs in Flores, then please start a new thread or move your conversation to one of the existing Flores club threads.
Thanks,
Jackson
I never even been there, but you told me they are all working class places. Not even interested in checking it out to be honest.That sounds similar to most Americans' "opinion" of Argentina (those that have heard of it). Just another malaria-infested shithole south of the Rio Grande or possibly in Africa. Definitely not worth visiting, much better to stick with Daytona Beach and DisneyLand.
I think its best to not judge places/things you haven't tried or even seen, especially in a country that youre not familiar with.
BTW Flores is a middle-class neighborhood. Most of the neighborhood and nearby Caballito are fairly nice. Middle class argentinas are the best in my opinion. Ive noticed a more feminist/feminazi attitude developing among the chicas from the wealthiest classes (some from San Isidro, etc). Caused by too much exposure to Anglo culture IMHO. And they're not any hotter than the middle/working class babes.
In Argentina, sexy women seem to be abundant in all economic classes, throughout the country. I cant say the same about USA. Generalizations about classes in the USA don't necessarily apply in Argentina.
Hi Guys,
This is the thread for Black. If you want to discuss the clubs in Flores, then please start a new thread or move your conversation to one of the existing Flores club threads.
Thanks,
Jackson
On my last visit to Black, which was on a Thursday night, my dominant impression was "gawkers."
Thursday traditionally brings out the highest number of customers to this place. And they were thick as flies on shit. And most of them were just standing around in little clumps, guys talking to eachother, and just looking at women.
After a bit of scounging I found a couple of chairs at the bar for myself and my wingman - and what do you know, a threesome of Yankee dopes in their flowered tourist shirts come in and plant themselves right in front of our chairs. Blocking the view of everything except the flowered cloth and the "Levis" tag on the ass of their jeans. The only redeeming factor was that I got to eavesdrop on their conversation.
"Hey Bill, I wonder how much these girls are?"
"I dunno Bob, maybe five hundred dollars? Heck, I have no idea. But it can't be much."
"Yeah, not much at all! This is a great place."
Dumbasses. They had absolutely no fucking clue.
And herein the lesson: You guys who have discovered this board have discovered a powerful information resource. Use it, learn from it, and contribute back to it.
For the record, Bill and Bob Kettle and their stupid sidekick Walter eventually left without having anything on their arm. And neither did I, although I eventually ended up at Madonna, which I report about in that thread.
You forgot to mention the "mosquitoes" at Black, Hunt99. One particular little chica (that did not attract me at all) kept coming over and shaking her ass in my face, which was marginally funny the first time, but rather annoying the tenth time. Like a mosquito buzzing in your ear.
I estimate there were 70? chicas in Black that night, jam-packed in with more goofy just-off-the-plane gringos (hundreds?) than I knew existed in all of Argentina. Out of 70 chicas, I spotted one (1) that was OK, though silicon is always a big turnoff. I have an inflatable doll at home anyway. Other observations about the Black lineup - several "girls" into their 30s, a few apparently 40+, lots of aboriginies, and lots of plastic/makeup/bones. Most looked like rough streetwalker prostitutes wearing decent clothes. "Although the monkey is dressed in silk, it's still a monkey".
P30/beer for the privilege of sitting (or standing) in the almighty Black. I didn't even approach a single girl and the overcrowding sucked. But a name is a name and Black is Black. It's right across the street from Alvear Hotel and taxis from all over the city receive commissions for bringing clueless gringo tourists there. Talk about a tourist trap.
Luckily I nabbed a seat at the bar after having to stand for a while. As Hunt99 said, it was a gawking scene – problem is I was sitting at the bar and the girls were on the other side of the narrow bar area gawking at me and the other customers, as if WE were on display! That's not the way it works – the girls should be at the bar/stage and I should sit at my table gawking at them. They shouldn't bother me and if I raise a finger they come to my table. That's they way it works in my boliches anyway.
There are so many boliches in this town with 15-20 girls and a relaxed, not crowded atmosphere where you can take a seat, drink some beers, and look at the girls sitting at the bar. Most importantly, 3 or 4 out of 20 are sometimes pretty/sexy instead of 1 in 70, and your evening has a "happy ending" (you bust a big nut on a hot chica or two). I had a happy ending later that night at Madonna.
I hadn't been to Black in over 2 years, no plans to return. I understand that that Thursday may have been an exceptionally crowded night, but by the same token I saw a huge sample of Black girls, which were nothing to write home about, as if I didn't already know that. Going there is like going to an "upscale" restaurant with a prestigious name and paying $30 for a stale Big Mac (served on a silver platter) when you can go to various "average" restaurants and pay $10 for a good fresh filet mignon and enjoy yourself while reviewing the menu.
No way. Perhaps the upper 25% in somewhere like Affaire, but I find the lower 50% in Blacks to be much hotter than the upper 50% in the triangle. That being said I'm not a Blacks regular, I will just pull from there from time to time.
I can give one solid example. 2 trips ago I pulled a girl for 410 pesos, I posted about it in this thread and got flamed of course. But this girl had a rock hard body, 6 pack, goes to the gym every single day, and f'ed my brains out. It's unlikey that I would have found this babe in the triangle. Definitely a top 10 or 15 experience for me.
The great service hinged upon the fact that she was busting her ass for about 30 minutes just to get my attention and buy her a drink. Sure they are all trying to get your attention, but when one is being so diligent about it for an extended period of time, I have to check it out and see what's going on. We talked and she was nice, and she also wanted me to come swimming in her apartment building the next day. I declined because I had other obligations, but still it was a great experience.
Anyways I don't like hanging out in dive bars in the United States, so I'm sure as hell not going to pay all that money and start hanging out at dive bars in argentina (eg flores, the triangle, crocodillo) Just different strokes for different folks.Marak5:
Take into account that I'm a native and I see things different. I can move seamlessly from club to club and trigger "meaningful" conversations with girls anywhere, so language barrier and fear of being ripped off as a foreigner don't apply to me, thus money becoming much more important as a factor. Other people would feel much more at ease in Black than elsewhere and don't mind spending additional USD 100, and I don't blame them. As you said, just different strokes.
That said, I saw several girls from Affaire, Madahos and such working later at Cattos. The most remaquable one was Hamida, that busty Cuban girl who used to work at Madahos.
In any case, beauty is on the eye of the beholder. To me, the quality of that lower 50% doesn't set much apart from the top girls at the Triangle, some of whom also bend over backwards to go out with you and please you.
Andres
You forgot to mention the "mosquitoes" at Black, Hunt99. One particular little chica (that did not attract me at all) kept coming over and shaking her ass in my face, which was marginally funny the first time, but rather annoying the tenth time. Like a mosquito buzzing in your ear.
I estimate there were 70? Chicas in Black that night, jam-packed in with more goofy just-off-the-plane gringos (hundreds? Than I knew existed in all of Argentina. Out of 70 chicas, I spotted one (1) that was OK, though silicon is always a big turnoff. I have an inflatable doll at home anyway. Other observations about the Black lineup - several "girls" into their 30s, a few apparently 40+, lots of aboriginies, and lots of plastic / makeup / bones. Most looked like rough streetwalker prostitutes wearing decent clothes. "Although the monkey is dressed in silk, it's still a monkey".
P30/ beer for the privilege of sitting (or standing) in the almighty Black. I didn't even approach a single girl and the overcrowding sucked. But a name is a name and Black is Black. It's right across the street from Alvear Hotel and taxis from all over the city receive commissions for bringing clueless gringo tourists there. Talk about a tourist trap.
Luckily I nabbed a seat at the bar after having to stand for a while. As Hunt99 said, it was a gawking scene – problem is I was sitting at the bar and the girls were on the other side of the narrow bar area gawking at me and the other customers, as if WE were on display! That's not the way it works – the girls should be at the bar / stage and I should sit at my table gawking at them. They shouldn't bother me and if I raise a finger they come to my table. That's they way it works in my boliches anyway.
There are so many boliches in this town with 15-20 girls and a relaxed, not crowded atmosphere where you can take a seat, drink some beers, and look at the girls sitting at the bar. Most importantly, 3 or 4 out of 20 are sometimes pretty / sexy instead of 1 in 70, and your evening has a "happy ending" (you bust a big nut on a hot chica or two) I had a happy ending later that night at Madonna.
I hadn't been to Black in over 2 years, no plans to return. I understand that that Thursday may have been an exceptionally crowded night, but by the same token I saw a huge sample of Black girls, which were nothing to write home about, as if I didn't already know that. Going there is like going to an "upscale" restaurant with a prestigious name and paying $30 for a stale Big Mac (served on a silver platter) when you can go to various "average" restaurants and pay $10 for a good fresh filet mignon and enjoy yourself while reviewing the menu.After discussing and comparing in person, I came to the conclusion that Moore's tastes vary widely from my own. "There is no accounting for taste." I simply don't agree with his judgment that so many of the girls in Black are ugly or old. He pronounced one girl whom I "know" from there quite well as being ugly and on the high side of 40. She's 28 and quite attractive. How do I know her age? First of all, I've done 40 year olds. She doesn't have a 40 year old's body. Secondly, she told me she's 23. Chicas always drop 5 years from their age, it is a fixed rule.
For my own part, I thought some of the girls Moore especially liked were not really my type. So, as in all things in life, caveat monger. The dick you please must be your own.
Now for what he got right: Yes, it was as crowded as hell when we visited, a real turnoff. Yes, some flaquita came waltzing by about a half dozen times shaking her bony ass at us. Yes, I saw some chicks I would call ugly; certainly not a majority or a plurality. However, I see ugly chicks in every boliche. Drinks were actually 35, not 30. And Moore paid, so my real cost was ZERO!:) But IIRC they were 25 in Madonna, and are probably about the same no matter where you go, so there are no great discounts anywhere that's disreputable.
Anyway, my most recent visit here was not great, but then again, that's true of most places on any given night. A lot of the fun consists solely of checking out the scene. I do agree with Moore that Madonna is a good destination, depending of course on your tastes and preferences.
600 P doesnt mean the same to Mpexy as it may to me. Plus you have the added benifit of protection from AIDS (inside joke)Heh, I caught that brutha!
I made my first trip to Black last night. Admittance and drink prices as reported here previously. A pretty impressive place I would say. The pole dancers were luscious. It was chock full of both chicas and guys. As regards the debate on the board about quality, my impression is that there were more 7's and 8's than I have seen elsewhere, with some bordering on higher. There were also a number of run of the mill chicas, who I thought looked out of place. I do agree that if you took some of the chicas out of this place and put them in a "regular club" they would probably drop a tad in attractiveness. The surroundings tend to bolster the looks department. I had a couple of beers and drifted home. There were many chicas imminently fuckable, and I will return after having a talk with my wallet and bag one of them.
Dog
MiddleAgeGuy
05-03-06, 00:14
Went here with my English only speaking buddy and a Porteno on a Wednesday. It was packed with all types. I ended up taking over the conversation for my Porteno buddy with 2 chicas who he was trying to get a handle on culo availability. One was one wasn't. We started talking a both of them and me. The cutie, wanted no less than $US200, didn't do culo, and left with a very nice smile to try elsewhere. The 3-4 said sure to 250P and culo all night if you want. Still couldn't bring myself to it.
My buddy hooked up talking to a very intelligent engish speaker who had lived in the US, now in Palermo Hollywood, and likes the nice things money from Black can buy. I said we had just been to dinner in Palermo, she asked where, and I said 'Casa Cruz', which she said is one of her favorite restraurants. Let me say, it is one expensive place, but nice.
Still, at 150p to sit and talk for an hour, she would rather leave to get the gringo hopeful at $US300.
MAG
It is Tuesday. Earlier, Jackson came to the apt. and invited me for dinner. When he asked my night time plan, I told him that tonight is designated for my annual assult on Black. Jackson said that he will join me also.
After dinner, Jackson and I went to Black around midnight. There were lots of chicas that I have not seen during my August visit. Jackson and I both agreed that about 70% of the chicas are very ordinary. However, there were quite a few attracative ones also.
I look for certain qualities in a chica, because of my inclination to do TLN. So very soon, I concentrated on a chica who look to me very lovely and genuine. I knew it was too early to do any negotiations. However, I wanted to learn a little bit more about her and invited her over.
She and couple of her friends are visiting from Uruguay and living in congresso area. Perfect candidate for a TLN. She was all game, except the price I offered. I told her to think it over. It is too early, if she did not find anybody then we can negotiate further.
Meanwhile, I spotted a real hottie. She was talking to couple of the girls in the back, and that's why I never saw her earlier. She is the prototype of a classic "Black" girl. Tall, blond, thin, white skin with a gorgous figure. These are the girls demand and get 200 USD easily. I try to stay away from them, normally. But something happened tonight! We kept on looking at each other with deep graze, and she was not turning her face. There is some possiblity after all! But I have so many demands, it is hard to get excited at this point. A guy courted her for some time and it looked like the deal fizzled. Meanwhile, at every opportunity, she was looking at me!
Jackson said goodbye around 2 AM. We both talked to Danny (the floor manager) for a while, before he left. Jackson left me with a friend of his, Rich.
It is past 2 AM and I got to be very active, to have any real chance to close any deal. Rich boosted my ego by saying that he will watch the "master" in action to-night. Before that, I was giving him some pointers about the art of negotiations (with chicas) and impact of proper timing.
I have now left with two choices, the girl from Uruguay, who just came and sat infront of me to draw my attention and the "hottie". I concentrated on the hottie! She was about 5 ft from me on the other side of the table. I did not take my eyes off her for a second and she also was intensely started looking at me. We are looking through the dancer's legs, between the beer glass, etc. It was a classic cat and mouse game which made me very excited. Finally, her friend made a hand gesture to me which literally said " when are you going to invite her over?". It was around 2:30 AM and I finally called her over.
She is Karen, 21 yr. Old, a true beauty. Her first word was that why was I looking at her for so long. I countered "why did you?". There are times you feel that things may go well and it was one of those times. Normally, I do not expect that these kind of girls will go out with me for a TLN with the money I offer them. But the only reason, I got her, because she is very new at Black. Only working for three weeks and still did not grasp the "Black" technics yet. Finally, I laid down the rules of the game, She asked for 400 P for 2 hours, I said no way! I offered her 300 Peso for TLN. She budged, went back, came back again, then said she can stay for 3 hours. At this point I knew, she is toast. I agreed knowing that this will definitely turn into a TLN. However, there was a final obstacle, which I could not have dreamt about. She never went to an apartment, she only goes to hotel. I could not believe what's happening. Finally, I took her to Danny. Danny told her that I am one of their valued clients and there is no problem in going to the apartment with me. However, final decision is still hers and they can not force her to go with me to the apartment. At this point, Karen felt very embarrassed and hid her face behind me. I had to go through the obligatory drink (60 P) and we were on our way to my apt. Rich monitored the whole thing and congratulated me on my accomplishent of the night.
Once she entered the apt., all her fears disappeared. And once she got involved with me, this girl turned into an angel. I asked her whether she had any russian lineage. She had some distinct russian look on her face, which she inherited from her russian grandmother. An excusite beauty, I just could not take my eyes off her.
After she came back from shower, another surprise! What a body! Tall curvy figure, breast are of perfect size with pink erect nipple. A shaved pussy with a supersize clit. BBJ (light), (prefers CBJ), DFK, true GFE, DATY, all were on the menu.
The biggest surprise of all that this kid loves "cola". This is the first time I started my penetration and finished my act in a cola. A night to remember! We finished around 5:30 AM. She washed up, came back to bed, went under cover quickly and held me tight and fell asleep. My well calculated bet for a TLN.
It is past 12:30 PM, and she does not want to get up. Miss Candela is coming to see me around 3 PM. I had to force her to leave by 1 PM, with a promise to see her on Sunday, my final night at BsAs. Great kid!
Bandy
This was my third night in Black this trip. In this trip, I found, that the girls in Black are much more desirable than their counterparts in Madahos. And there are many to choose from.
There were two girls I was interested, but soon discovered that they were out of my price range. I could still take them for a short time, but I was primarily interested in TLN.
The girl from Urugauay (from Tuesday night) was angry with me because I took Karen instead of her. She was full of attitude and I ditched her shortly.
There were plenty of prospects and soon I got what I wanted. She is Jessica, 24 yr old, never married, no children and lives alone. Perfect for a TLN. A classic Italian beauty, white skin, black hair. And get this, tonight is her first day of work in Black. A fresh face in the business. The girl even did not know what drink to order when the waitress came to take the order. When I offered her 300 P for TLN, she meekly protested saying that the figure seems kind of low for Black. I countered saying that tonight is her first night and she is kind of an "apprentice" on the job. And we all get paid low during our training period. I told her that she can raise her fee from next week, when I am gone. I think my Castelleno, made her very comfortable and soon we were on our way to the apt.
The balcony of the apt. served a great backdrop for a romantic interlude. We were sipping wine and chatting away with stories from each other's past. Things could not be better.
The main act was kind of a downer for me, because of the fake breasts. I can not take fake breasts. Otherwise, everything else was great. She was a sex crazed woman. May be having it after two months. She almost killed me. One of the tightest boxes, I ever encountered! She was multi-orgasmic and about two hours later, finally I finished.
She left around noon. This trip Black was the greatest surprise for me. It came thru for me over and over again. It was the best bang for "my" money!
Bandy
Next time I am in buenos aires I will work my budget out so I can take girls from Blacks every night.
I find that the girls have the most class in Blacks. I like the fact that many of them know how to dress well. Most of the girls in the other cabarets are so fucking gaudy.
The knockouts provide very professional if a bit uninspired service. Still, this is highly preferable to the crapshoot that you get in somewhere like Medahos or Solid Gold. You pay for what you get.
Many girls in Madahos just get on my nerves. Many seem to be on coke. Hot girls in Blacks I talked to are making more money than me. I like this fact. In a lot of other places I find it to be true that you can take the girl out of the provincia but not the provincia out of the girl. I'm tired of dealing with the trash.
200usd is a small price to pay for some of these girls that would easily run 1000usd in nyc per hour.
They really should boot 10 or 12 of the lower girls out and just let the hot ones work only. The dancers put me into a trance.
Once you go Blacks you never go back.
US$1000 for an hour? And I thought Black was expensive.
I've been to Black one time, and spent most of the time translating for an estadounidense and the least attractive woman in the place, maybe a 5 or a 6. After about 30 minutes of flirtation, she asked him for US$225 for an hour, and 5 seconds later he said yes and they were on their way. The guy had wandered over from the Alvear Palace. His group of hunters was spending one night in Buenos Aires before heading to the provinces to kill some birds. I figured Black's take-out business was mostly from that type of client, just in town for a few days with money to burn or wealthy locals. But in a moment of weakness I could definitely see myself dropping $200 on a couple of the stunners I saw there that evening.
200 bucks? The most I've spent in Black is about half that (plus cab fare and of course, the dreaded chica drink). While it's not terrible, remember to use your large head and not your small one when negotiating. Remember that as the night gets later, the number of customers tends to go down, as do the bottom line prices. Judd's spot-on description of a negotiating session at Madaho's could be just as easily employed at Black:
We started talking price and I got the 200us bullshit. I didn't fuck around and said 200 pesos. She countered with 300pesos minimum. At that point, I thought there would be a middle ground so I took her to the back of the club to get her heated up. We started making out and she was grabbing my Johnson. I knew I could get her for 250p so I went ahead and ordered her a drink 65p. We kissed and grouped one another for about 20 minutes whe she asked me if I wanted to go. I said I can't afford 300, but how bout 250. She agreed and we were off. It was a small win for me.
And remember not to get too shitfaced drunk, also. Not only does it lead to whiskey dick, it also causes you to pay higher prices because your negotiating skill and judgment are impaired. ;)
And remember not to get too shitfaced drunk, also. Not only does it lead to whiskey dick, it also causes you to pay higher prices because your negotiating skill and judgment are impaired.This impairment caused me to walk into Black a few months ago, which was one of the biggest mistakes of 2006. Dumb and dumber.
Rockin Bob
06-06-06, 13:59
Well, I won at the casino, so I had an excuse. In fact I was just about to turn my initial 100 peso investment into 500 pesos. Dealer has a ten. I get 11, double down and draw a ten, I'm sitting pretty. We get down to the last guy at the table, who has a king and a two.
Do I have to tell anybody who got the Ace that was next in the shoe? I wanted to choke the guy to death, but earlier I saw somebody stand with a pair of 8s, never mind dealer 7. Why get worked up over idiots?
Nevertheless I left the casino rich and went to Black. I've never been there before because in my experience high price chicas don't really do it for me.
Hey Chica D! "The knockouts provide very professional if a bit uninspired service." What does that mean? What do you want?
If it's eye candy you want, Black has a lot of it, especially the dancers. But for every really hot babe there were two ordinary ones. I kind of was expecting more.
I want inspired service! But looking around the place I didn't see anybody who could possibly be worth these prices everybody quotes. I would have paid 400 pesos for the dancer.
Bottom line on Black for me is, definitely a nice place to go have a beer and hang out, but I don't like the the risk / reward factor for a chica investment.
So I decided to go to Madahos, but the taxi driver asked me if I had ever been to Shampoo. I hadn't so that's where I went next. (To be continued on the Shampoo thread)
By the way, it was Saturday night, around 1:00 am that I was there. Maybe 30 chicas, many guys. And one other thing: the guys at the door told me that it was not obligatory to buy the chica a drink if you wanted to leave with her.
Flexible Horn
06-06-06, 15:37
A taxi from Black to Shampoo, did he get into 2nd gear?
A creative driver might do a detour once around the obelisco, just to adjust the fare on the meter a little with his expectations.
Rockin Bob
06-07-06, 12:32
Look, I got the cab because I was going to Madahos!
That area between Shampoo and Madahos is very dangerous. Good move!:D
Look, I got the cab because I was going to Madahos!Black, Shampoo and Madaho's are all within 5 blocks of each other. Good thing you took the taxi, you didn't want to stroke out on the sidewalk.
You haven't been hanging out at Grant's with Jaimito, have you? :D
Well, maybe you don't need a tin hat. I'm amazed your post has survived without anyone noting that you're out of your mind to be paying U$200 here and think it's a deal.
You need serious help, re-programming I think the Communists used to call it. A few nights under the guidance of Jackson or DH or Dave. This board exists for multiple reasons now but it's always been about how to find the chicas and how to keep from fucking things up by over paying them.
You can go to Blacks and find fine looking girls who will quote you prices in U$, this is not a good sign. You'll also find girls there who will speak english and quote even higher prices because they know there are guys coming there who are staying at the Alvear or the Four Seasons and who are accustomed to getting rolled for those numbers. But you can go to Madahos for example and find similiar quality, if the prom queen is your thing, and negociate for 200 pesos.
The local economy is in pesos which is 3.10 to the U$, even better for Euros. Think it over, 200 pesos is still a lot here, do some research once you get here and try not to muck it up for the rest of us. Unless throwing a lot of money at girls is part of what turns you on, in which case please - go to Black, where "there's some Puerto Rican girls that are just dyin' to meetchu".
Thanks for the good advice Bacchus,
I'm starting to get that things are different at these clubs in BA than in Europe and I also get that they are much cheaper, and no I don't like to throw money around at chicks, But as I said I'm coming from a place where you either have a steady or you pay and if you want to pay its expensive.
Don't trip though man, I'm not going to try to mess it up for anyone, but I see it's a different game there and it will take time to learn, but badboy ain't no simp bro, I just want hot chicks at a good price and if $200Ar is reasonable than I'm all over it. I'm planning on squeezing every ounce of pussy outta my newly converted pesos. I want to try Black and Madahos and also some internet hotties I've seen.
Thanks for letting me know what I should be paying at Black.
$200Ar take it or leave it ***** hehe,
Its all good, thanks for the friendly info bud,
See all you fellow punters in BA soon.
The Bad One
Black on Wed night (2:30) was crowded. I'd not been there since long time, and the place doesn't stand to the level I used to see there.
Found many well known chics. Some of them I've been with some 20 years ago.
The dancers are good, and they offer a good show too.
Cover $40. I really liked only one tall blonde but she left before I could get at her. Anyway, I don't see why to pay so much for these girls, that are not very different from those at Nuevo Estilo.
Enjoy
Thomaso276
07-13-06, 23:15
"Anyway, I don't see why to pay so much for these girls, that are not very different from those at Nuevo Estilo."
Good insight. If more travelers took this approach we would all save lots of money.
Then again there seems to be an Argentine process of raising prices when demand is down to make up for lost business!
SleepyRice
07-29-06, 21:50
Was really looking forward to seeing the 'playboy bunnies' - after the kennel-churn of Orleans and a few of the apt brothels.
I even had my playboy-bunny-money all counted out, and ready to roll.
Black's is - black. An okay space, but when I went (midnight or so) it was me, two glum guys and about 30 chicas who stared at me from 8 feet away.
I was SO unimpressed with the quality of looks, sorry to say - cause I was really looking forward to them, I didn't exactly find the blonde pinup stretched out on the polar-bear rug next to the roaring fire.
Instead just the same lineup. Overall I felt the girls were a little bit better put together - but that could have been because I'd just paid a bundle for my glass of champange and 'enter here all who dare' fee.
I think the top 5% of the triangle looked just as good for half price (or more)
All this is my personal opinion - but so far I really prefer the girls at Madahos - some are virtual bunnies for sure. But I'd skip Black.
StrayLight
07-30-06, 22:53
In the spirit of General Buck Turgidson in "Dr. Strangelove," I'd hate to make a judgement before all the facts are in, but if Black on the Friday night at midnight that I went was in any remote sense representative of the club scene, then those of you who extol the clubs so much can take that entire scene and shove it up your collective asses.
That place and that scene were, in my mind, fucked up beyond belief.
It wasn't just packed with ugly chicas, it was fucking infested with ugly chicas. Wall to wall ugly chicas. God they were ugly. Ugly, and with fake smiles glued to their ugly faces. Ugh. Watching them all TRY to writhe to the equally fucked up bad disco music -- music I thought was outlawed by the Geneva Conventions years ago -- was like watching dying fish flop around the bottom of a row boat. There was not one chica there I would have fucked with your dick. Any of your dicks.
The entire thing was as if Fellini had made "Satyricon" while being simultaneously dosed with bad LSD and food poisoning.
The only conceivable use for that place that I could see would be for a boys night out; a little group debauchery or whatever to bond with the buddies.
And it's not as though I've never been involved with the public auctioneering of sex. I've spent time hanging out on Baltimore's Block, prowling the streets and canals of Amsterdam, exploring Frankfurt's Eros Houses, and enjoying long evenings in San Juan's famous Black Angus whorehouse. I generally enjoy a good public sex market. But this was just plain shitty.
The only -- and I stress, ONLY -- redeeming feature of the visit was one of the dancers. She had a world-class ass. I mean World Class. It was an ass of the sort I routinely have with some fava beans and a good chianti. Fortunately, that ass was one of the last things I saw before I left, and it sort of lingered in my memory until I went to sleep.
But other than that, it was a total fucking waste.
I can't believe I paid 40 pesos for one beer, shitty music, and the worst visuals I've probably ever seen.
Quit pussyfooting around and tell us how you really feel about the place.
Don Abagado
07-31-06, 01:28
I don't know how it may be on average as I have only been there once, which was a few weeks ago, but most of the girls the night I was there were the best I have seen in any club in Argentina. I left with an absolutely gorgeous girl, who spoke English, looked like the girl next door fantasy and dressed classy. Model quality. So, it definitely must vary from time to time. Not the place I would normally frequent. Forget about the over charging chicas, I can't get over the drink prices. I guess I am just spoiled with everything else BA has to offer.
Straylight was there at midnight. Too early, though his post was funny (anybody who can reference the Los Bravos tune is ok with me). I have been to Black only a few times, but midnight in a Recoleta club (and probably most clubs) is way too early to get a feel for the chica quality.
Well Arroz Con Sueño said he saw 30 chicas there, and that is a pretty large sample size. Maybe it was Pig Night. I did notice that Stray Light was there on a holiday weekend which could be a factor.
I have yet to set foot in the place.
You guys all stay away from Black. I'm coming down in September, and if I see any you in there I'm going to report on the forum so everybody knows about it.
SleepyRice
07-31-06, 03:46
Tonight - against my better judgement. I was trying to find a tango bar (of all places) and ended up in the neighboorhood.
12:30, dead, pigs with lipstick.
I will never go back to black - simple as that.
I've always wondered about this board - so often the pics guys post - you have to admit - they look like gals you should put on an 'avoid at all costs' poster - or someone you might end up with after WAY too much drink (and never admit to the next day)
I thought - wow, these are just old guys posting pics of their butt-ugly GF, cause that's all their money can pull. In actuality it seems they're all the ugly pics of the girls from Black. Ewww.
Madahos at least had some hotter action - but they were the same frigging girls from last week - and I'm sure they'll be there next year.
Just not my scene.
;)
Robert Dean
08-21-06, 20:43
Although I do listen to good advice, I ended up going to Black a few nights ago. It was packed with women - and very few guys. I noticed several very attractive girls, and the majority were above interesting. Many of them (apparently) were non-pros that wanted some eventual action.
I noticed a pretty blonde, Abril. She's tall, blue-green eyes, about 20/21, kind of shy (or reserved). She was with a couple of girls, sometimes dancing at the darker part of the dance floor and never approached or tried to catch the attention of any guy. I was told that she would be a "frequent flyer" at Black. Has anyone been with her?
BTW, I didn't go out with any of them that night, as I already had made arrangements for later on (it was a brief stop).
I left with a good impression. Was I lucky to find the house packed with 7s and upwards?
Robert,
Was she kind of Paris Hilton looking? If so, she has been there a at least 3 or 4 years now.
Robert Dean
08-23-06, 00:10
Not really, she's more a variation of Meg Ryan, with some latitude, but still very pretty, about 8-9.
Although I was told she's there frequently, she didn't seem to be a pro at all, and my guess is that she's probably a [very recent] newcomer. Am I ready for a surprise? I don't know. Anyway, her two other friends (also good looking) seemed to be "dilletantes", maybe girls from out of town that come to BA for a few days - and stick to foreigners only.
Robert,
Was she kind of Paris Hilton looking? If so, she has been there a at least 3 or 4 years now.
JustGotBack
08-24-06, 04:34
Stopped by Black tonight for the first time in years. I got there about 2:15 in the morning. The place was packed with girls and American guys. It definitely is the destination for American tourists. I would say about 75-80% of the women there are no better than what you would find at any private apartment in Buenos Aires. The other 15% or so are maybe 7-8's. About 1-2% 9's. I spoke with a group of 3 Brasilians. I seem to be running into a lot of Brasilians on this trip. Two of them were 4's and one was a 9 on my scale which is pretty high. Unfortunately the 2 4's were the ones that spoke most to me. They told me that many of the girls in the club will not go to apartments. They will only go to hotels for safety reasons. Right before I left, I went up to the 9. Her name is Diana. Blond, tall, thin, decent sized chest and fresh off the boat from Brazil. She could be a fashion model. She quoted me $150. When I said it aloud she said not to say it so loud that the other girls could hear. I seriously thought about it. But I added it up in my head and with the chica drink and the transitorio it would be about $200. I can't even get a massage and a happy finish from a 5 from where I'm from for $200. But I'm not in the US, I'm in Buenos Aires and 600 pesos when all is said and done is about 3 visits to a high end apartment. I offered her 300 pesos which was met with a solid no.
The dancers were hot, but not nearly as hot as the Madaho's ones from the night before. There was one dancer at Madaho's that if she said I could take her for 1000 pesos I would have gone for it. Madaho's also has a higher percentage of 7-9's. All in all, I think Madaho's is the better choice. Better girls, better dancers, better atmosphere and lower prices.
What never ceases to amaze me about the reports on this place is the broad discrepencies between reports. Some guys rave about the hotties in the place, others complain that there are nothing but pigs - and in reports covering the same general time span. In no other place in BsAs have I noticed the disconnects between the various posters' reports. Interesting.
JustGotBack
08-24-06, 19:37
I think it has a lot to due with tastes. I like the tall model types. Some guys hate them. My perfect body can be someone else's rail thin. My chubby could be someone else's "I like something to hold onto." I think it's best if you read reviews from people you know or someone who has seen the same girl as you. Then you know how to rate the scale. Also, a lot of guys only go to the high end clubs so really don't know what the apts are like. Some of those girls in the apts could easily work in Black or Madaho's. Because girls of that quality work in the apts, I put similiar girls in Black or Madaho's in the OK category. The girls I think as 8-9's you will never find in an apt.
What never ceases to amaze me about the reports on this place is the broad discrepencies between reports. Some guys rave about the hotties in the place, others complain that there are nothing but pigs - and in reports covering the same general time span. In no other place in BsAs have I noticed the disconnects between the various posters' reports. Interesting.
Robert Dean
08-25-06, 00:32
I tend to agree with JustGotBack. I also like the tall model types, and those most guys would consider hot (mostly huge boobs, huge ass) I discard, simply.
Thanks for the tip on Diana, I'll look her up, next time.
BTW, you can also try to get their cellphone number and let us know. It would be a great service!
I'm still looking for those "top model" types.
I think it has a lot to due with tastes. I like the tall model types. Some guys hate them. My perfect body can be someone else's rail thin. (The girls I think as 8-9's you will never find in an apt.
Breakawaytx
09-13-06, 04:08
Second night in town, I went to Black around midnight. The place was crammed full of attractive women - at least 30 and probably 40 total. There was barely any room for customers.
I lingered at the bar for quite a while, checking out all the talent and narrowing down my choices. A few with the requisite looks also demonstrated the right attitude. However, while chatting with some expats on the couches under the big screen, I caught sight of the hottest red head I have ever seen. Probably 5'4", 100 lbs. Long auburn hair almost to the waist and an extremely classy look. I waved her over and found out that her name is Marciela, and that she's from Rio.
Long story short, she quoted me $300 USD for una hora and $400 USD for TLN. That sounded very high, based on what I have read here. I countered in pesos and that was met with a resounding no. We settled on $300 USD for TLN and headed back to my place. I know that this was too much, but she was uncommonly attractive and I was feeling stupid.
At my house, service was sensual and nice, but not especially hot. No deep kissing, and everything covered. Still, a very good experience until it came time for round two. She claimed that I "hurt" her in round one and just wanted to cuddle. Realizing that I had (1) overpaid and (2) paid upfront, both despite my better judgment, I threw in the towel and showed her the door after a little back and forth.
So I'm left with a slightly bitter taste in my mouth, having paid US prices for what was only slightly better than a US experience. Black was quite a scene tonight, but I'm not sure if I'd repeat, based on this experience. My poor language skills probably contributed to the way negotiations went, but the bait and switch is another matter entirely. The drink prices were also ridiculous -$40 for my drinks and $50 for hers.
Flexible Horn
09-13-06, 04:57
Second night in town, I went to Black around midnight. The place was crammed full of attractive women - at least 30 and probably 40 total. There was barely any room for customers.
I lingered at the bar for quite a while, checking out all the talent and narrowing down my choices. A few with the requisite looks also demonstrated the right attitude. However, while chatting with some expats on the couches under the big screen, I caught sight of the hottest red head I have ever seen. Probably 5'4", 100 lbs. Long auburn hair almost to the waist and an extremely classy look. I waved her over and found out that her name is Marciela, and that she's from Rio.
Long story short, she quoted me $300 USD for una hora and $400 USD for TLN. That sounded very high, based on what I have read here. I countered in pesos and that was met with a resounding no. We settled on $300 USD for TLN and headed back to my place. I know that this was too much, but she was uncommonly attractive and I was feeling stupid.
At my house, service was sensual and nice, but not especially hot. No deep kissing, and everything covered. Still, a very good experience until it came time for round two. She claimed that I "hurt" her in round one and just wanted to cuddle. Realizing that I had (1) overpaid and (2) paid upfront, both despite my better judgment, I threw in the towel and showed her the door after a little back and forth.
So I'm left with a slightly bitter taste in my mouth, having paid US prices for what was only slightly better than a US experience. Black was quite a scene tonight, but I'm not sure if I'd repeat, based on this experience. My poor language skills probably contributed to the way negotiations went, but the bait and switch is another matter entirely. The drink prices were also ridiculous -$40 for my drinks and $50 for hers.I'm surprised you are aware of this board as you obviously have not read or taken on board ANY of the information to help in paying the going rate.
Was it a hooker you took or a lawyer, that's about the going rate here in London for a average lawyer per hour.
Any body going to BsAs for the 1st time, see what happens when you don't listen and pay upfront, poor service. This chica in 1 hour earned nearly the average monthly salary. Makes you think!
Lawyer, hooker, what's the difference? All either of them ever do is screw people.
DH,
The difference is that screwing hookers feels much better!
And Breakawaytx, you got what you deserved. All information you need to avoid what happened to you is here in the forum. You made all possible rookie mistakes at once, some of them are:
- going into Black.
- going for looks only, "hottest", "classy" - she is selling her looks, not her service.
- paying up front.
- even discussing U$S.
- not reading the FF.
There certainly are some more.
Advice, hook up with some of the experienced mongers, and get the real BA taste.
2 centavos de.
El Alemán.
Who has made better experiences in the U. S.
It makes me sad to think that Western men are having such fucked up experiences with women at home that they would come to Argentina and drop $300US on a blow up doll and not be FURIOUS. It's too bad that this guy probably won't stick around in Buenos Aires long enough to realize how ridiculous his entire experience was. That should NEVER happen in B. A. Actually this guys experience was worse than fucking a blow up doll because the doll would put out all night without bitching.
We settled on $300 USD for TLN and headed back to my place. I know that this was too much, but she was uncommonly attractive and I was feeling stupid. This HAS to be a gag - I'm not buying it.
David
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