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FormerGaucho
04-03-05, 21:31
Please also check similar info on Health Insurance Thread.
Best option for regular visits is to sign up for Med/Dental insurance through a local hospital. Both the "Italiano" and "Britanico" offer comprehensive coverage. Prices are about U$S 70-75 per month. This price includes full access to "Outpatient Clinics" which are conviently located throught BAires...
There was a posting on a simlar thread asking for Chiropractor info. If you know of one, pelase search for the thread and reply. =)
As background, I was a former resident and still have all of my immediate family living in the BAires area. We're on phone at least once a week. Can provide additional info if needed... And yes, I use VONAGE as my VoIP provider. 5 cents/minute from US to BAires!!! AT&T can't beat that!
Tengan cuidado! FormerGaucho
I'd rather go for the HMOs such as OSDE, TIM or such.
Even though the Italian and British Hospitals are good, they are located in somewhat cumbersome neighborhoods for visitors (British at Constitución and Italian at 4000 Mitre St, close to Abasto). HMOs have affiliated clinics thoughout the city, many of them in Recoleta / Barrio Norte.
I used to pay ar$240 at OSDE for a basic plan as a single 30something adult.
Hope this helps,
Andres
How does one go about researching and contacting these HMO type medical plans?
Thanks,
Stowe
No idea at all. Internet, perhaps?
I now a couple of them (OSDE, Medicus, Swiss Medical Group, TIM). It's just a matter of finding their websites and research a bit.
Hope this helps,
Andres
Yeah, this is something we all may face while living in BA, getting an implant
here rather than the USA. Today, I got a ballpark price of 3500-4000usd.
This is a calif. price and I would hope BA offers a better deal.
Has anyone had an implant pocedure in BA? Please pm me or give a post on this thread. Do they use anesthesia or other sedatives?
Jackpot
Daddy Rulz
04-29-05, 03:30
I also need some, anybody that's PM's jackpot about this please copy me in.
Thomaso276
04-29-05, 10:13
Dental work here is much cheaper than USA, but each dentist is different. Two years ago I used a high end guy in Belgrano. Gabriel Meschiany 4788-6545, @ Cuba 1940, 8B. New office, excellent equipment. About half price of USA. I never saw any dental techs - the dentist did all the work himself. It is the material that is expensive. Speaks basic english and will take you as patient for cash only as he works through health insurance for most of his patients. I got two overlay (underlay?) replacements (not crowns which are cheaper) Metal base with porcelin. Good quality. I think it was about 800 dollars total - about 4 visits for each tooth. One was purely cosmetic and I was very pleased with his skills. My girlfriend used a guy downtown, bare office, older equipment but much cheaper, to put a tooth on a metal implant. I also used Jackson's dentist office - Dr. Bolles, Callao 1016, #713 4814-3540 for a cleaning - 25 pesos for exam and 15 pesos for cleaning - how cheap is that!
PS: I was told by my dentist that they cannot use gas here.
Jackpot -
I am just finishing 4 implants, done in a modern office with the latest technologies (believe me, I was ALL over the Internet at first checking it out!)
The cost included bone grafts, which were required as these were upper-jaw implants (I had been advised of this in the US as well!), which stretched out the time frame by several months. One of the implants was a front tooth - a much more elaborate proceedure.
They do not use gas.
The total cost for the four, including crowns, was 9,000 pesos - a little less then the cost of 1 in the US!
David
I've nearly finished a course of 7 implants plus another crown. I was really impressed with the whole procedure and it cost me 7,500 pesos, but everything's much cheaper in Mar del Plata. I've been living here since september and the quality of life here is fine.
My implant candidate is an upper tooth next next to my front teeth. This is a real sensitive area of the mouth as you all know.
Dreading pain, my question is how do they sedate you?
If gas is forbidden, how do the deal with putting you out?
Local oral injections are awful and the after effects put a real damper on lip action. I assume pill sedatives are used but
would like to hear stories from you Argentina dental veterans
on how you dealt with the pain during the operation and post-op.
Thanks for your advice from a dental chicken,
Jackpot
Jackpot
They have these rubber bullets to bite on and soundproof rooms so you don't have to hear the screams of your fellow victims, I mean patients!
Seriously, they ALL only use injected aneasthetics, but the after effects were minimal. They prescribed some pain killers, but narcotics are almost never (perhaps never) given, so I brought some Vicodens from Florida. I didn't really need them, but I was glad to have them!
Really, the whole proceedure (including the bone graft which you will probably need too) was pretty pain free -I don't know what he used for a local but it was VERY effective without leaving me a drooling idiot afterwards.
David
Jaimito Cartero
04-30-05, 02:45
I don't know what he used for a local but it was VERY effective without leaving me a drooling idiot afterwards.
I wonder... If was a drooling idiot when I came in, would I be cured?
I've been impressed with much of the dental work I've gotten in Latin America. I got some crown work done in Costa Rica around Christmas, and was 20-25% of what it would cost in the states. Plus no waiting 30 minutes to get in the chair, and having the dentist do everything, even the cleanings is just great.
Amber Wrath
05-20-05, 11:56
Jackpot -
I am just finishing 4 implants, done in a modern office with the latest technologies (believe me, I was ALL over the Internet at first checking it out!)
The cost included bone grafts, which were required as these were upper-jaw implants (I had been advised of this in the US as well!), which stretched out the time frame by several months. One of the implants was a front tooth - a much more elaborate proceedure.
They do not use gas.
The total cost for the four, including crowns, was 9,000 pesos - a little less then the cost of 1 in the US!
DavidCaptain Dave:
Incredible prices on the implants.
I just had my final check up from my dentist before I commit to a plan of action.
The son of a ***** wants to pull all my upper molars out and install implants.
Broke my jaw along wih my teeth many years ago. Now the work is failing.
Your implant dentist still availble? Shit I have been all over the internet and decided BKK is best for dental work. Check out bangkoktonight.com.
First class dental spas! no shit.
Thing is I been wanting to go to EZE most of all.
You think I could have the implants done there and then have the teeth installed here in california. Gonna have to switch dentists here lol or maybe go back to eze for the final teeth installation.
Sorry for the rambling but dam it is such a big deal so I dont know if I am doing the right thing.
Thanks
Rick
Hi,
I just arrived on Saturday from NYC, and I think I developed DVT from my flight. I have extreme discomfort on both calfs that just continues to spread. I wish I could say that I did something athletice to get it, but that was not the case. If anyone knows of a good Doctor to visit please let me know.
Hi,
I just arrived on Saturday from NYC, and I think I developed DVT from my flight. I have extreme discomfort on both calfs that just continues to spread. I wish I could say that I did something athletice to get it, but that was not the case. If anyone knows of a good Doctor to visit please let me know.You'd better not delay seeing a doctor. Seek out one of our BsAs resident members like Thomaso, Capt Dave, or even Jackson himself for a recommendation. Or even Roxana or Silvina. Self-diagnosis is no substitute for real medical attention.
Hi,
I just arrived on Saturday from NYC, and I think I developed DVT from my flight. I have extreme discomfort on both calfs that just continues to spread. I wish I could say that I did something athletice to get it, but that was not the case. If anyone knows of a good Doctor to visit please let me know.Don't screw around with a GP. Just go to one of the hospitals. I've heard good things about both the Italian Hospital and the German Hospital.
I travel a lot in Asia and elsewhere and I generally get my teeth cleaned when I travel to avoid at least part of the outrageous cost of dental and other medical care in the US. I went to a dental clinic called CEO at Talcahuano 837 [near Cordoba and 9 de Julio, as I remember]]. I think they have other locations.
I seems they do most of their work under the government health plans and a cash paying customer is unusual and a foreigner more so. I'm pleased to report they did an excellent job for a rediculosly low 30 pesos. The cleaning was quite careful and took ½ hour or more.
I had to make an appointment for the next day which I did. When I showed up they were running about an hour late but it was no big deal – portenos are forever late. The place is modern crisp clean friendly and professional. It looked good for more major work but I didn't need any.
Anyone have experience with them?
Rock Harders
01-27-06, 02:24
I had two unfortunate incidents while residing in Argentina that forced me to get medical attention. The first occurred (Jan. 05) while I was at the Sheraton inside Iguazu National Park- after pigging out at an all you can eat Samba show on the Brasilian side, I woke up in the middle of the night with bad food poisoning-threw up minimum of 30 times. This happened on the day I was to fly back to Buenos Aires, so I faced the prospect of dealing with food poisoning on a flight- however a half hour or so before the flight, I asked the airport policemen if there was a doctor in the airport, and he brought me to a closet where two guys in scrubs were playing cards, and they have me an injection of something and I begun to feel better a few hours later. Total cost for doctor's time and medicine: Gratis.
The second incident happened during September 2005 and was a return bout of "intoxicado". This one occurred after eating at Kentucky Pizzeria on the corner of Santa Fe and Godoy Cruz in Palermo- avoid the empanadas, I am sure they were the culprit. Anyway, I knew I needed medical attention so I called up one of the Argentine ladyfriends for a recommendation- she sent me to a private clinic near my apt that was on Marcelo T near 9 de Julio, can't remember the name I could find my invoice if anybody is interested. Anyway, service was good, the attending physician spoke english. Total cost for two hours in ER, supplies, etc. $90 AR
Anybody have an ear, nose and throat doc they can recommend? I have Swiss Medical, and walked down there today, but the girl I talked with spoke zero english. With my castellano, I got some referrals, but I'd rather hear from someone on the board who has a doc they think is good. Sinus problems, arghhhh.
In the doghouse
Went to the Swiss Medical clinic today-Santa Fe 2479. In and out in less than an hour, xrays of sinuses included (which were given to me) Apparently no charge with my plan, though I did pay about 70p for Allegra-D and an antibiotic down the street. In the US with my ex plan there, I am guessing I would have paid $100, or more, for the meds, even with the drug benefit, plus $35 co pay for the MD visit. Fairly painless in all categories. The doc was surprised that I thought they might keep the xrays.
Doggboy,
Perhaps you are beginning to realize what I call the vast superiority of the health system in Argentina. I also have Swiss Medical and have also had sinus problems. In USA, I have to first wait maybe two weeks until there is an appointment available with my "primary care physician" in the trailer park. He will then confirm that I need to see an ENT (thanks, bro!) since my sinuses are fucked up. Note, he enters with clipboard for 20 seconds and never actually looks at me, just a cattle car inspection before saying "go to an ENT" with the bedside manner of a Nazi medical scientist stationed at Auchwitz. Then I wait another few weeks until an ENT that is covered by my "plan" and is in the proper "network/area" has an appointment available. At this point, after waiting a month, perhaps my problem has gone away on its own. If not, I pay out the ass for various exams (cat scan, etc) - don't forget to bring your gold card and first born son to pay for the costs that arent "covered". My "coverage" in USA has always been with a major like Aetna.
Here in Argentina, I go directly to one of various ENT specialty centers in my zone, knowing what specialist I need to see despite having no medical training - me ear hurt, me go to ear medicine man. I like going to the center "Guardias ORLSA" on Cuidad de la Paz 870, which is almost right on the Juramento station of subte line D in Belgrano. They have 3-4 ENTs on call and are open 24/7/365. Never waited more that 20 minutes upon arriving. When sinunitis was suspected, I was sent to a nearby center and given a cat scan / MRI? (probably had to wait 25 minutes for that). The grand total cost of all this was $0.00 pesos, just flash yout Swiss Medical card. Although it may be an intangible, the doctors here seem to truly care about you and dont have an "assembly line" mentality like Ive experienced in USA.
If you're really sick here, you can have a doctor come to your house (I thought this only happened on "Little House on the Prarie" circa 1870). With my plan, I do have to shell out 5 pesos for that luxury though.
If I ever move back to USA, I will maintain my coverage here knowing that if I ever have health issues, I can always return to Argentina and a "real" medical system. As an added benefit, many female doctors here are smokin' hot!
Not quite sure if that last post was an exercise in irony or not. People from all around the world go to the United States to seek medical treatment. I've never heard of anybody going to Argentina for the same. Perhaps it's a good choice if you want to see a shrink to talk out your problems. Buenos Aires has more of those per capita than any other city in the world.
Hi Hunt99,
Actually, foreigners traveling to Argentina for medical treatment, including cosmetic dentistry, reconstructive dentistry, and plastic surgery, are all growth industries. The consenus is that the medical professions in Argentina are very professional at a much cheaper cost than in Europe or the USA.
Thanks,
Jackson
No irony there - OK my comparison to the Auchwitz scientist was made to illustrate a point. My last "primary 'care' provider" in USA reminded me of the drunken "doctor" from the movie "Cannonball Run" - he was a joke. Do you have pertinent experience in both countries on which to base your opinion?
Millions of people worldwide chose to eat at McDonalds everyday, surely more than any restaurant in the world. Does that mean its the best product/service/expertise available? I'm guessing that most people coming to USA for medical treatment are very wealthy? Money does not necessarily correlate with quality. My understanding is that Argentine doctors are highly respected and Ive read about many foreigners, mostly Europeans, coming down to Argentina for medical treatment!
What you say about shrinks per capita here is true and widely known. Apparently there are also more GPs and ENTs just in my neighborhood than in the Lower48. In BsAs I can see one in 30 minutes if necessary, in USA I get - "lets see, we have an opening on July 23" unless I can physically demonstrate imminent death. Once, when visiting a part of the USA that was not part of my tiny network, I was basically told that in order to be attended with my plan it had better be a life & death issue. No pussies with sinus problems or flu symptoms accepted. I finally went to an emergency room at a major hospital there and it was like a zoo, waiting several hours. Here, the going to the "guardia" is a pleasant, efficient, quick experience.
My main point is that there seems to be a huge accessibilty problem in the USA. Ive always had "good" coverage there and still have problems! Id wager that the millions of US citizens who can't afford any coverage have greater accessibility issues than Ive had.
I did visit Mayo Clinic in Arizona once for my sinunitis. It was an exception for USA - I'd say it could pass for the Docthos Center on Santa Fe & Puerreydon, on a good day maybe. Very professional at Mayo. Good thing I made an appointment 9 months in advance and didnt die waiting!
I suppose that many foreigners visiting Argentina might assume that the medical sector here isnt worth a shit based on what theyve seen in other sectors. Ive been quite impressed with it and its doctors and I dont think Im the only one.
Thomaso276
05-04-06, 21:30
Just a note for anyone who has X-Rays (including dental) MRI's, etc.
When you have a follow-up visit or another appointment, bring your pics with you as offices here never keep them on file. When you go back, especially for dental work, they will not do any work without looking at an X-Ray
Couldn't agree more with Moore's assessment of health care in the US. The aggravation factor has multiplied greatly within the past 10 years. I know very few people in the states who wait LESS than an hour to see any specialist, not to mention the time lag between calling for an appointment and actually seeing the doctor. Quality of care also suffers due to providers stuffing their schedules full and giving patients short thrift. Plus, many other problems that would take a post five times this size to address. Certainly no indication of it getting better any time soon. Another reason to stay in BA.
I can add one observation to charactarize the difference in the approach to medical care between Argentina and the USA.
Here in Argentina was the first time I actually met a dentist while I was still standing on my feet. Here's what I mean: When you visit a dentist in the USA, you are greeted by the dental assistants who get you seated in the chair and prep'ed before the dentist himself, who is moving from room to room seeing the maximum number of patients in a day, comes in, introduces himself and then immediately sticks his instruments in your mouth. After the treatment, he typically exits to go to another room before you even get out of the chair, leaving the dental assistants to do the followup.
When I went to see a dentist here in Argentina, I was stunned when the dentist came out into the waiting room, introduced himself, and then accompanied me back to his office.
Thanks,
Jackson
Rock Harders
05-04-06, 22:16
Mongers-
I definetly feel that the nearly-free Argentine health care system is a great idea and I have had good experiences with it during the two instances where I needed medical attention. Most countries in the world have some sort of free / government subsidized health care for their citizens, the United States is the exception.
However, my experience with the health care system in the United States has been carefree and hasslefree in general. Moore I don't know what sort of health insurance you had back in the EEUU, but it sounds like an HMO, which are shitty IMO compared to "traditional plan". I have Blue Cross / Blue Shield, I go to any doctor I want without calling anybody other than the doctor I want to see to make an appointment, and there is no co-pay for doctor visits. There is a prescription card also, any brand name drug costs $5 or less and generics are $1. The insurance company pays 80% of all bills up to $500, and 100% of everything above and beyond that.
A few months before I moved back to Buenos Aires I got LASIK done to correct my nearsightedness. I went to the eye doctor, he examined me, and I had the surgery done two weeks later (the minimum time to stop wearing contact lenses pre-surgery) All easy and hassle free.
There is no doubt that the US health care system is not equitable and many people have no or restricted access to the best medical care, however, I believe that for those who live in the right area and have the right insurance, the US system is on par with the best in the world.
Suerte,
Dirk Diggler
Surely an Argentine doctor is perfectly capable of clearing up a sinus problem, treating that drip, drip, drip infection you picked up who-knows-where, or removing that big mole from your shoulder.
But do you guys want to get a heart bypass operation, cancer treatment, or a knee replacement in Buenos Aires? Hah! You'd better head down the Recoleta cemetery and pick out a plot beforehand!
Hi Hunt99,
Again, I would disagree with you, especially given that a lot of doctors and surgeons in Argentina have studied and trained in the USA.
Thanks,
Jackson
Mongers-
I definetly feel that the nearly-free Argentine health care system is a great idea and I have had good experiences with it during the two instances where I needed medical attention. Most countries in the world have some sort of free / government subsidized health care for their citizens, the United States is the exception.
However, my experience with the health care system in the United States has been carefree and hasslefree in general. Moore I don't know what sort of health insurance you had back in the EEUU, but it sounds like an HMO, which are shitty IMO compared to "traditional plan". I have Blue Cross / Blue Shield, I go to any doctor I want without calling anybody other than the doctor I want to see to make an appointment, and there is no co-pay for doctor visits. There is a prescription card also, any brand name drug costs $5 or less and generics are $1. The insurance company pays 80% of all bills up to $500, and 100% of everything above and beyond that.
A few months before I moved back to Buenos Aires I got LASIK done to correct my nearsightedness. I went to the eye doctor, he examined me, and I had the surgery done two weeks later (the minimum time to stop wearing contact lenses pre-surgery) All easy and hassle free.
There is no doubt that the US health care system is not equitable and many people have no or restricted access to the best medical care, however, I believe that for those who live in the right area and have the right insurance, the US system is on par with the best in the world.
Suerte,
Dirk DigglerDirk,
You are the big exception to the current rule in the US. Absolutley, if you have a heavy duty non HMO plan, the headaches are much less. WAY less. However, employers are offering fewer and fewer non HMO plans, and the ones being offered are more and more expensive. Sure, I could have had a BC / BS plan as a consultant on a deal offered me by one of my clients, at about $500US a month! That's at 53 and zero family. So yeah, the "convenient" plans are still out there, but more expensive and fewer to pick from. They are going the way of that old timey idea-pensions.
But do you guys want to get a heart bypass operation, cancer treatment, or a knee replacement in Buenos Aires? Hah! You'd better head down the Recoleta cemetery and pick out a plot beforehand!;)What are you basing this on Hunt?
As Jackson stated, many doctors (lawyers too) here studied, trained, etc in USA, which is of course a very highly regarded place for advanced/specialized education. Of course the basic education offered to the general US population sucks balls (semi illiterates graduating high school). Lots of parallels between education/health systems of a country.
Recurring sinunitus, while not cancer, can be fairly serious and sometimes involve serious surgery. I should mention that my ENTs here in Argentina were the ones that finally whipped it with treatments, high tech exams/tools, and medication. Mayo and the rest of the bozos I saw in various states were a waste of time and space. The various ENTs I saw there, excluding the one at Mayo, really didnt seem to give a fuck. When the docs entered I got the feeling "ok you got 3 minutes pal".
[QUOTE=Hunt99]
Surely an Argentine doctor is perfectly capable of clearing up a sinus problem, treating that drip, drip, drip infection you picked up who-knows-where, or removing that big mole from your shoulder.
[blue]Hi Hunt99
I don't know about Moore's sinus problems but I'd kill for some "drip" right now!
What are you basing this on Hunt?
And Jackson is correct, many doctors (lawyers too) here studied, trained, etc in USA, which is of course a very highly regarded place for advanced / specialized education. Of course the basic education offered to the general US population sucks balls (semi illiterates graduating high school) Lots of parallels between education / health systems of a country.
Recurring sinunitus, while not cancer, can be fairly serious and sometimes involve serious surgery. I should mention that my ENTs here in Argentina were the ones that finally whipped it with treatments, high tech exams / tools, and medication. Mayo and the rest of the bozos I saw in various states were a waste of time and space. The various ENTs I saw there, exluding the one at Mayo, really didnt seem to give a fuck. When the docs entered I got the feeling "ok you got 3 minutes pal".Again, agreeing with Moore here regarding ENTs in the states. Not to say there haven't been a few decent ones through the years, but the majority are drudging through their mile a minute day with the idealism of med school way back in the rear view. I had a real good one years ago in Virginia who did my deviated septum work (there's a fun time)
Rock Harders
05-05-06, 00:14
Mongers-
I agree with Hunt to a certain extent about not wanting to have very-serious, potential life altering procedures done in Argentina if one could afford to have the same procedure done in the United States. I do not doubt for one minute the training and education of Argentine doctors. What I might doubt is the presence of the most modern, up-to-date equipment and techniques. My aforementioned LASIK eye surgery is a perfect example of this. I definetly could have gotten LASIK preformed in Buenos Aires for a mere fraction of the $4000 USD I paid to get in done in the USA; however, I've only got one set of eyes, and I KNOW that the opthamologist (sp? In the USA is very well compensated and therefore is able to use the most modern and up-to-date equipment available. Based on the medical equipment I see in dentists offices and the state of certain medical facilities I have seen, I am not sure of the presence of ultra modern equipment here.
Suerte,
Dirk Diggler
Having been to dentists, eye doctors, GPs, ENTs here, I'll take a WildAssGuess and say that machinery used in Argentina is about 10 years behind the cutting edge used in USA. But I'd choose an excellent doctor using perfectly maintained 1996 equipment over a half-ass doctor using 2006 tools any day.
With complex medical conditions, I believe that the crucial element of the MDs job is to determine exactly what the problem is and how to best treat it. Knowledge/training must be more important than machinery in most of these cases.
One time an ENT here used an instrument that I thought was quite neat. It was a long, remotecontrol, stringlike tube with a tiny camera on the end that he stuck several inches "up" my nose and took pictures of sinuses, etc. I wouldnt think that its been around forever.
I'm surprised that Mpexy hasnt chimed in here. Most of us dont have any medical training.
One of the reasons that medicine in the US is the MOST expensive in the world (by a factor of 2 or 3) is because it is privatized. There are so many layers and each layer requires paperwork and profits, it is considered much less efficient than government controlled medical-granted not the US govenment, which tends to mis-handle everything.
Both Canada and Englands (both of which are lambasted by politicians here as terrible) public medicine is actually cheaper and rated better then ours based on a UN analysis (now I realize there are some out there that just because it came from the UN, they consider it invalid)
I had an MRI in January and the doctor has billed it to my insurance company 4 times and each time the insurance company rejects the claim because of some very minor error. He is still waiting to get paid.
For an epidural for a neck problem, I have received perhaps 30 bills for the 1 epidural (sent to my insurance company and copied to me) from so many doctors, hospitals, and medical offices, most of whom I did not know I used for the procedure.
I have had to make 3 payments for the same bill because the insurance company claimed they lost the payments. Only later to have to reimburse me for the double overpayments.
In 20 years, medicine in the US will becoming much like a college education-only available to the rich. And that is nothing like any other country.
Yeah, tons of people rush to this country for our medicine. That just shows it is great medicine for the rich of any country. The average US citizen will neer have access to that quality of medicine.
Suerte,
Stowe
Stowe,
I believe in mostly free markets and that they generally make products better and cheaper. What you write affirms that the US med industry has become kind of a shady/corrupt business (enter attorneys?). The lawsuit factor must be a huge cost, though according to Dubya it only accounts for about 3% of the total cost going by memory of the 2004 pres debates. It seems to me that in many countries like Argentina, good medical care is correctly viewed as a right and necessity for all, whereas in USA you're essentially only entitled to it if you can afford the country club membership dues. I'm referrring to mentality and not socialist or pure capitalist systems. The US attitide toward education seems similar, which probably explains why we have masses of ignorant, sick people.
I read an article just a few days ago about a comparison made between US and UK health. US/UK differences have often been attributed to racial/income factors. But this study showed that after adjusting and comparing white US middle class to white UK middle class, UK was much healthier - shockingly so by several measures. The kicker was that even the white UK lower class was healthier than the white US upper class!
If Im not mistaken, there are about 20 countries with life expectancy rates higher than that of the USA and there are urban areas in the US with rates (life, infant mortality) comparable to the those of the worlds poorest nations in Africa. Kind of hard to claim "we're number one!".
Rock Harders
05-05-06, 06:19
Moore-
I think we are in agreement here that in general the USA needs a more equitable health care system and that Argentina's health care system is more than adequate and provides free / almost free medical care to all that need it. However, I find some faulty logic with some of your other arguments.
I firmly believe that education is not only available to rich, white upper middle class and higher US citizens. That may have once been the case, but now it is not. The fact is that in the USA, if you have the intellectual ability, and you exhibited this ability through grades and test scores, you will attend the finest schools regardless of financial status. There are billions of dollars of public and private grants / scholarships / aid available to students of academic merit. If a student is from an underpriveledged or underrepresented group, even more scholarships / grants / aid are available. In addition, academic standards for admission are enormously relaxed at top universities for applicants from underprivledged / underrepresented groups. I understand that it is easy for rich, white, upper middle class students to succeed, however the opportunity exists for everyone, some just have to work harder than others to achieve it.
In terms of health of US citizens versus citizens of other countries, this has everything to do with the disgusting and foolish nature of the US diet and the IMO ridiculous nature of the US pharmaceutical industry, and little to do with the actual medical care available in the US. The food the typical US citizen eats is truly appalling, its like putting 45 octane fuel in the gas tank of a Ferrari requiring 93 octane and expecting it to run smoothly. Synthetic refined Sugars, hydrogenated fats, nitrates, food dye, preservatives, all those things are like poison for the body. If people ate more natural, unprocessed foods (like the rest of the world) they would be much leaner, healthier, and more attractive. In addition, the pharmaceutial industry is to blame for this to some extent. Feel a little off, pop 3 advil, you'll feel better. Hey, why not do it everyday? If US citizens ate correctly, they would not ever feel the need to take pharmaceuticals.
Suerte,
Dirk Diggler
Dirk,
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the educational "boosters" like scholarships you refer to don't really become a factor until university level, which is WAY too late. Unless things have changed recently in USA, you're likely going to get a shit public education (primary, secondary, high school) if you live in a low income/tax district regardless of your ability.
I can't disagree with your comments about US health problems. The article I mentioned did not imply that medical care was the root cause of the US/UK health differences. Thing is, the UK "diet" has got to be as bad as USA. As artificial and processed as US food may be, at least it partially qualifies as food.
I have quite a few opinions regarding the general topic of healthcare, especially the state of such in the United States compared to elsewhere. However, I generally refrain from participating in conversations like this simply because like discussions of politics, there is often no right and wrong - simply two camps of people with opinions that will not change because again like politics, there is enough truth on both sides to have reasonably formed those opinions (whether I agree with them or not)
I will merely point out though that often people confuse which issue they are discussing when one compares how "good" healthcare is in the United States versus somewhere else. When conversations like these come up, how "good" healtcare is actually boils down to the completely separate qualifiers of:
A) How "good" the availabilty or accessability to that healthcare system for Non-Elective procedures is for the general population.
B) How "good" the availabilty or accessability to that healthcare system for Elective procedures is for the general population.
C) How "good" the actual quality of care received in a technical sense.
D) How "good" the cost burden is to the patient vs. The state.
I don't want to get trapped into trying to discuss a topic that honestly people really aren't going to change their minds about. So all I'll say as my opinion is that when discussing ANY countries healthcare system, it is possible and even probable that they excel in one or more of these separate qualifiers, but NO country excels in all of them.
So in my opinion, when you, I, or anyone says Country X has a better healthcare system than Country why, what is really being said is that whatever aspect you care about might be better in that country versus the other. Are there countries that rank miserably on all of these areas? Sure. But when conversations come up, I rarely hear United States versus Somalia, it's always between two countries that do legitimately have claim to be "good" in one or more of these areas but not in others. Just my opinion but it only takes just one of these areas to not be "good" for someone to legitimately say someone else's system is better.
For example, take Canada and the United States. I really don't want to stir up any pro-Canadians here but an objective reality is that one reason Canada excels at the ability to offer near 100% availabilty to Non-Elective healthcare is because their availability and access to Elective healthcare is miserable compared to the grand-daddy of them all - the United States. Is this right, wrong? I'm not going there - we'd then be discussing the worth of differing political systems and social values. Just as the cost basis to the patient for Non-Elective Healtcare is immensely favorable on the general average in Canada vs. The United States. But then it goes into the vortex of discussing whether the state supporting that cost basis, and the means they need to implement to support it, e. G. Higher taxes, is "good" or not.
I'm just saying that if you're a person wanting say an elective MRI done to avoid a more invasive procedure (an example of a highly useful procedure in a medical sense) or a non-major obesity related abdominoplasty because frankly you just want to look good (an example of a procedure that frankly doesn't have much medical value) and told you have to wait two years under the Canadian system, it's not unreasonable for that person to think the United States has a much "better" system. A single major metropolitan area in the United States has more MRI machines and access to that procedural time than any entire province of Canada.
However, equally valid is the reverse of this - if you're son needs a certain specialized procedure but you're HMO tells you that is 'not covered', what the hell do you care how grand the elective system is in the United States? If you're lucky enough to be Canadian in this case, you'd be thanking your lucky stars you're in Canada.
Last couple of completely random order thoughts -
- it's not perfect, but no public healthcare system or hospital is allowed to refuse treatment for medically necessary treatment based on the ability to pay in the United States. The issue is availability of bedspace and limited county resources, not whether that access is not technically there for all. Next time you're in Los Angeles, not to stir up an immigration Pro or Not discussion here, but ask any healthcare professional there what illegal immigration does to the availability of public services that were originally sized and factored for the legal citizen population.
- Doctors in the United States undergo a fairly bizarre transition which admittedly is a hot topic even within the medical community. During medical school training, rotations, and residency - a significant period for some up to 11 years - doctors in the United States are trained that medical decisions come first. In short, you run every single test and procedure to accurately diagnose and treat the patient (which also means you ignore the useless ones) This teaching hospital system basically ensures the doctor is well trained, but in my opinion also reinforces the more socially "good" value of putting patient welfare in the hands of the actually trained to make that call - the doctor. However, the minute you leave residency and enter private practice - either solo, in a privatized group or hopspital, HMO, Medical Group - the legal profession takes over. You now run tests you completely don't think under that specific situation and patient are even called for but you do, because to not run them means huge liability risk if you're ever sued. But you also frequently don't run various tests because some non-medical professional tells you it's not 'policy' or 'covered' or would incur great legal liability even if you're right.
-Look into private Medical Groups. It's a hybrid between an HMO type system and PPO system. You can choose a main GP, but you don't need to go through that GP, can choose or elect specialist referal at will, and essentially within that group can hop to any doctor you want. Basically, it's the freedom of a PPO private care system but technically listed under HMO status with most healtcare insurers so that you can elect to take that group as your "HMO" network.
- Yes, legal issues and liability coverage is a huge factor for any doctor or medical group / hospital, both in terms of negatively influencing healthcare decisions as well as the actual costs, direct (malpractice insurance) and indirect (too long to list but indirect liability coverage can cost as much or more than the actual malpractice premiums) President Dubya can quote whatever he wants - the total cost is way the hell more than 3%. Perhaps when you factor an entire large system budget, say like Los Angeles' County hospitals, it's 3% of that multi-billion budget because that bloated budget also includes aggregate spending for social services, admin, etc. But on the real end of the stick - you're average small to mid-size clinic, group, or independent physicians collective that serves the majority of real patients every year, it's a killer.
Hi Hunt99,
Again, I would disagree with you, especially given that a lot of doctors and surgeons in Argentina have studied and trained in the USA.
Thanks,
JacksonLet me put it this way, Jackson: If medicine in Argentina was so advanced, wouldn't it be the other way around, with American doctors going to Argentina to study and train? Think about it.
Hi Hunt,
I didn't say that Argentina medical training was more advanced than in the USA, I said that Argentina medical services were closer to the quality of medical services commonly available in the USA, and one indication of this was the fact that a significant number of doctors here in Argentina had gone to school and otherwise trained in the USA.
Thanks,
Jackson
One of the reasons that medicine in the US is the MOST expensive in the world (by a factor of 2 or 3) is because it is privatized. There are so many layers and each layer requires paperwork and profits, it is considered much less efficient than government controlled medical-granted not the US govenment, which tends to mis-handle everything.
Both Canada and Englands (both of which are lambasted by politicians here as terrible) public medicine is actually cheaper and rated better then ours based on a UN analysis (now I realize there are some out there that just because it came from the UN, they consider it invalid)The health care system in Canada may be cheaper, but it is not better. One need only look at the thousands of people who come from Canada to the US to seek treatment for their medical problems.
Do you need a hip replacement in Canada? I hope you're ready to wait 18 months. That MRI appointment you spoke of making will be coming right up next December. Just about the only way Canada has been able to maintain the system is by making private insurance plans illegal. That's now breaking down along with the inefficient weight of the system.
Medicine in the US is more expensive in large part because of the socialization of the system that has been advancing since 1965. In the areas of medicine where there is no government-controlled insurance coverage, prices and services get cheaper and better as time passes, through the system of free enterprise which does not operate in most areas of the medical market. Examples of this are vision correction and plastic surgery, neither of which are covered by 99% of insurance.
Moore.
I agree that generally speaking privatization usually is better unless it becomes a monopoly as cable, telephone, et al. have become. I also read the article where it had our upper class less healthy then the UK's lower and middle class.
Even with all that evidence, politicians still refuse to accept the reality.
What I do not understand is why corporate American doesn't push the politicians into public medicine. Given that they own the corrupt politicians and that they (corporations) complain that having to provide their employees healthcare creates an uneven playing field with companies from other countries who do not have to provide it, I just do not understand their silence.
Dirk.
I did not say that TODAY our education system is only available to the rich. I said that with the way the cost of both medicine and education are spiraling out of control (well beyond the means of average Americans) that 20 years from now, it will only be a luxury for the rich. And given that government grants are dwindling (because of deficits) and the middle class shrinking, I see absolutely no evidence to indicate that it is or will be an improving commodity for the middle class.
I know this from personal research for my son.
Suerte,
Stowe
What I do not understand is why corporate American doesn't push the politicians into public medicine. Given that they own the corrupt politicians and that they (corporations) complain that having to provide their employees healthcare creates an uneven playing field with companies from other countries who do not have to provide it, I just do not understand their silence.A decent point, but either way the corporations would probably pay a huge part of it whether it be via private health premiums or social taxes. Most Euro/other countries dont have anywhere near the rock bottom employee tax rate of about 8% (6.2% Social Security, 1.45% Medicare, plus some pennies for state unemployment tax) that USA corporations enjoy. The question is, would it be cheaper to pay the higher social taxes than the ridiculous cost of private health care/insurance that we currently have. Its hard imagine anything being more expensive than the current system.
Last week I returned to Sex Prison to serve a relatively short sentence. Two days after I arrived I came down with a nasty flu (?) and decided to visit a doctor since my throat was pretty ragged. I called my major (Cigna, Aetna level) platinum US health "plan" and found out that the city/state I am currently staying in (city and state both in top 10 largest of USA) are not covered by my "plan". They are not in the proper "network". How shocking. I had a similar "network" problem 3 or 4 years ago but got around it by changing my US address with my then-employer - as a result they had to give me an "indemnity" plan for the bullshit state/address I listed due to employment regulations. It's pathetic that one has to resort to fraud in the USA just to see a doctor. The whole industry here (at least the insurance/administration part) seems about as shady as the towing business.
Knowing that I was about to travel to a shady medical country, I kept my Argentine plan (Swiss Medical/Docthos) just in case. I activated the international coverage, which lasts for 1 year and can be renewed indefinitely, right before leaving wonderful Argentina for the USA medical quagmire. When I became ill, Cigna confirmed once again that the primary service they provide is ensuring that I am never covered by their "plan". So I called Docthos in Buenos Aires and told them I'd like to see a doctor here in USA. They gave me the US 800 number and I was talking with an agent in Miami 2 minutes later. She took my data (including basic symptoms) and called me back 1 hour later with a doctor's appointment set for the next morning at an excellent medical center about 10 miles from where I'm staying way out in the suburbs. I never said US doctors/facilities were bad, I just said that my US "plans" never let me use them.
Docthos prepaid my appointment and I pay nothing. The US doctor gave me two prescriptions which I do have to pay out-of-pocket but Docthos will reimburse 100% of the receipts when I return to Argentina (I could maybe fax/scan them but its not so much money for the medicine). About 8 hours after my appointment, I received a call from the Docthos agent in Miami. They wanted to know how I was feeling and also advised me to call them again if I needed to see any more doctors, which they would arrange immediately and pay 100%. It's unbelievable that I receive excellent, prompt, and FULLY PAID care/attention from my insurance carrier 5,000 miles away in BA but get nothing but bullshit excuses, exceptions, and rejections from my US carriers - "that's not covered, you're not in the proper network, there are no doctors in that state, blah blah blah."
I need to clean out my thick wallet and will throw away either my Cigna health insurance card or my 100 Austral bill. So I need to determine which item is the most worthless. The Austral went out of circulation in 1991 upon being replaced by the Argentine peso. At the time, 1 Argentine Austral was worth about .00003 US Dollars. Here are all the uses I can think of for the Austral 100-bill and the Cigna card:
Austral 100-bill:
1) Keep it for collector's value. I've seen them framed and displayed on walls in BA restaurants.
2) Keep it for emergency toilet paper.
3) Try to scam a tourist in BA by claiming that it's worth 100 pesos. Taxi drivers get away with this occasionally.
Cigna Health Plan Card:
1) Keep it for emergency cocaine lines.
2) Keep it to swipe/open certain locked doors.
It's a close call, but numbers never lie. The Cigna card is the most worthless waste of space in my wallet and I'm trashing it.
So it is now confirmed – Argentine health insurance (SMG/Docthos at least) worked like a charm in USA. Now I will be testing other Argentine documents. It is only a matter of time before I get pulled over on one of the local expressways and I'm going to see if I can get out of speeding tickets with them. I know an American guy that has lived in Germany for years, he may even have his citizenship. When he gets pulled over for speeding here, he'll sometimes give the cops his German documentation and pretend to speak little English. They usually let him go with a warning and slowly explain that there are speed limits in USA, unlike the autobahns "over there". It is especially funny that many cops fall for the act since his birthplace is listed on his German ID, which is often the city that he is pulled over in. In Argentina, I sometimes give the cops my AAA International driver's license which says on the front page that it expired in 2002. They never catch it.
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Hi Moore,
What was the additional premium for the one year rider for the international coverage?
Thanks,
Jackson
Thomaso276
06-09-06, 19:25
I have had the Swiss Medical for 1.5 years, with universal coverage, which I have not had to use. Good to read that it is decent coverage.
Jackson, I pay about $150 monthly, I think it was about 50 dollars less without the universal coverage.
I am very happy with Swiss Medical here for me and my dependents!
Excellent post by Moore. I don't believe I have the international coverage with my Swiss Medical plan, so I'll double check. I do remember something about alerting them prior to a trip abroad and paying at that time for some coverage.
Hi Moore,
What was the additional premium for the one year rider for the international coverage?
Thanks,
JacksonThere is no additional premium or cost. It's included with my plan (269 pesos/month), 1 level below the best (premium) plan IIRC. The card itself is silver. You just have to call and activate it when you travel.
Ah, maybe I do have it then! Wonderful post, and puts a spotlight on the totally mercantile nature of USA health care. It's like having a computer that is only interested in saving money make decisions about your health.
If you're not sure just call the number on the back of your card. 0-810-222-1414 toll free from Argentina. They'll tell you what coverage you have in a NY second - that's how I activated my intl coverage and found out about it. Customer service is excellent and you rarely have to wait to speak with an agent. IIRC you can get an English speaking one if you're Spanish is shaky.
The website is also quite informative. Go to the cartilla section and you have an index of all doctors/centers/specialists that honor Docthos (there are tons everywhere). You can download the cartilla onto your PC as well.
I am interested in the names of any English speaking physicians you know of. I don't really care what specialty. I do some consulting work for physicians and need an excuse to visit BA solo.
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Hi PyroJohn,
A very high percentage of the doctors in Argentina speak English. It's part of their education.
Thanks,
Jackson
Thomaso276
06-15-06, 15:52
I suggest you do some research with organizations that provide this type of information, since you are in the business.
Hi PyroJohn,
A very high percentage of the doctors in Argentina speak English. It's part of their education.
Thanks,
JacksonI would not have guessed that. In 5 years I've visited Argentine doctors of various fields - mostly ENTs but also dentists and eye doctors. Based on my experience, I'd estimate that about 10% - 20% speak English. I've met a few that completed a part of their studies / training in USA but they were the minority.
The good news is that if you specifically requested an English speaking doctor, I'm almost positive that a major carrier like Docthos would have no problem accomodating your request.
Bairespirata
06-22-06, 22:04
I strongly recommend Hospital Italiano. My insurance cost only 160 ARS / months and this cover A LOT. Turnos to my doctor is free, seeing a denstist is also free for the consultation. I requested an english speaking doctor and got a very good one. Service is very good and this without having to wait months or even years, that I have to do in my own country. And prices are a lot lower.
Rock Harders
06-30-06, 10:32
Mongers-
Just got back from a visit to the Instituto Argentino de Diagnostico why Tratamiento (IADT) located on Larrea and Marcelo T. I had my third case of "intoxicado" in Argentina since January 2005. I arrived at the ER and was immediately attended to and put into a room for diagnosis. I told the doctor it was food poisoning and he gave me an injection to calm my stomach and that was that. Grand total for the 45 minute trip to the ER: $46.98 AR. This was my second visit to IADT and I highly recommend it for routine medical care.
Suerte,
Dirk Diggler
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Hey Dirk,
What are you doing? Eating the food at work, eating bad pussy, or cooking for yourself again.
Ha, ha.
Jackson
Has anyone had the need of a Dermotologist here in BA - that they could recommend?
Alan
Has anyone had the need of a Dermotologist here in BA - that they could recommend?
AlanCheck out Moore's post earlier in this thread about Swiss Medical benefits. They have a website where you can take a look at their providers by discipline, location, etc. You don't have to have the insurance to take a look. When you come to a page where you have to click on which insurance card you have, click on the upper left card. Take a look at the providers.
I too, have been in the hunt for a dermatologist. My landlord, an American who's lived here for 10 years recommends Dr Bustamente at Arenales 1446. Tel. 4812-9255. He's supposedly an ex-head of the Derm. Dept. Of one of the local universitys.
Also, the same question was posed recently on another forum. The forum moderator offered the name Dr Marcela Cirigliano at the Chouela center—Uriburu 1590. Tel.4805-7485. Don't know if she's a hotty or not but odds are she's pimple free.
Both are in good 'hoods if that means anything.
Hound
Fighting a spat of bronchitis I contacted Hospital Aleman and they sent a Doc over to my place. Not sure if she was an MD or DO.
$100pesos for diagnosis and wrote me up a Px.
I was afraid that with my ridiculously high fever she'd have to take a core temperature reading to gauge my fever.
Just thought I'd pass it along.
I made a trip to the "Chouela Dermatologia" clinic today. The purpose of my visit was to have some skin growths (skin "tags") checked and removed. There was a mix-up on my appointment - as they did not have it, but they quickly recovered with assigning another doctor.
My expectations were that the spots would be removed either surgically or by freezing. The doctor was professional, with better English than my Spanish. She indicated that she would use a laser to remove all the spots in question. She then left the room to find out what the price would be. She returned with 1,500p being the answer! I just about fell off the table - these are USA prices (I would guess) All I wanted was a few places whacked out with a scapel - we are not talking about being on my face.
My previous mental / dental experiences here in Buenos Aires have been super. The only good news here is that the consultation fee was only 25p. Maybe this is a clinic that specializes in Botox, boob jobs, and tummy tucks - as their pricing structure seems along those lines.
Alan23,
How long are you in town? If you are going to be here a while get some of the local health insurance, like Swiss Medical, and go from there. I am having some acetenic keratoses removed this Wednesday for nada (as far as I know) with the good ol liquid nitrogen. No fuss, no muss. With my plan I have yet to pay a peso co pay. Even if you are not here long term you can sign up. They asked me about pre existing conditions, but I couldn't understand them. So, I don't have any.:)
WorldTravel69
10-07-06, 13:37
I asked this last year, but did not get any answers.
Where is the location of a Chiropractor?
I know the hospitals do not believe in them and only give muscle relaxers.
I will needing one this month and in the future.
Thanks
Try the following:
Chen 4567-1997
Carol Beetschen - trained in U. S. +Switzerland. Offices Palermo and San Telmo. 4307 8880
Supposedly two Americans Craig / David trained at Palmer. Appointments made through Marina at.
155879 4002. Stories of long waits for appointments.
Let us know how it goes.
WorldTravel69
10-20-06, 13:48
Thanks.
I will probably need them next week.
Try the following:
Chen 4567-1997
Carol Beetschen - trained in U. S. +Switzerland. Offices Palermo and San Telmo. 4307 8880
Supposedly two Americans Craig / David trained at Palmer. Appointments made through Marina at.
155879 4002. Stories of long waits for appointments.
Let us know how it goes.
December 6, 2006
It was a well-oiled scam that targeted Beverly Hills' beautiful people.
"Dr. Daniel," armed with syringes filled with a miracle wrinkle remover, injected his patients with industrial grade silicone similar to that used to lubricate auto parts.
Daniel Tomas Fuente Serrano promised that the sensational European silicone treatment he offered would "permanently" put an end to wrinkles. Handsome and charming with his Argentine accent, he dispensed his face-saving injections at fancy Beverly Hills medical offices.
And this doctor made house calls.
Those were elegant affairs too. Women who turned out by the dozens for parties at prominent Hollywood types' homes thrown by Serrano sipped cocktails as he injected their faces with his magical silicone, authorities said. The fee was $500 per injection.
But he might as well have called himself "Dr. Jiffy Lube," according to federal prosecutors who began investigating Serrano after patients complained of nasty side effects from their treatments.
Among his clients were Diane Richie, ex-wife of singer Lionel Richie, and Shawn King, wife of CNN talk-show host Larry King.
Shawn King paid Serrano $7,000 in cash for injections administered at her Beverly Hills home in 2003. But the injections damaged her lower lip, causing a "displeasing hard bump" that made it difficult to drink liquids or talk, she complained, according to court records.
Another patient told authorities that Serrano's treatments caused three holes to form on her face that had to be repaired by a doctor.
Federal officials investigating the complaints discovered that Serrano, who also administered Botox and other substances, often filled his syringes with industrial grade silicone illegally smuggled from his native Argentina instead of expensive European silicone.
On Monday, Serrano pleaded guilty in federal court in Los Angeles to conspiracy, smuggling and use of unapproved drugs. He was sentenced to 18 months in federal prison.
At the same time, federal prosecutors named four alleged accomplices — Beverly Hills-area cosmetologists and aestheticians, which are skin-care specialists who treat the face. The four now face federal charges of aiding and abetting the scam.
Those who say Serrano victimized them have described him as a charming man with a demeanor as smooth as the faces he promised to deliver.
One former patient, a Beverly Hills woman, said in an interview Tuesday that he injected a small amount of what she thought was "the latest thing" into the area between her nose and mouth to erase her "smile lines." Two days later, she said, her eyes began swelling up and itching painfully. She broke out in allergic conjunctivitis and couldn't wear her contact lenses for more than a year, she said.
"I tried to have this guy do something small, and it was just a nightmare," said the woman, who spoke on the condition that her name not be used. "He was representing himself as a doctor and doing these injections. But it apparently shot up into my face, and I had a reaction to it. The itching went on for years, and I still have a problem."
The woman said that she asked Serrano about having an allergy test done first but that he said that was unnecessary because she had already been tested for collagen and the product he was using was similar.
She learned about Serrano through a girlfriend, who had received injections from him and raved about his work, the woman said. She got the injections at an aesthetician's office in Beverly Hills. "He was real friendly, really, really nice. He had a nice bedside manner," she said.
The woman said her face has not fully recovered, three years after her treatment by Serrano. "To this day, I have big bags under my eyes, and I'm still trying to get treated for it," she said. "It's a constant battle. I feel like I have sand in my eyes."
According to authorities, Serrano gave clients business cards declaring himself a medical doctor even though he didn't have a license in California (he was a doctor in Argentina) Prosecutors said he started out by obtaining client lists from high-end cosmetologists and aestheticians around Beverly Hills, paying them a fee if they encouraged their customers to purchase the injections.
He eventually arranged cocktail parties in which he would offer injections on the spot to guests, and he performed procedures at his clients' homes, authorities said.
As the industrial grade silicone flowed from his syringes, money poured into Serrano's pocket, prosecutors said. When investigators opened his bank safe deposit box, they found $1,160,312 in cash.
And while he presented himself as someone on the cutting edge of medicine, his associates knew him as a do-it-yourself type who filled his syringes from plastic bottles at his kitchen table, according to court documents.
One informant confided to federal authorities that she often visited "Dr. Daniel's" apartment and found him sitting at the table filling syringes.
But Serrano's San Vicente Boulevard apartment was filthy, and he did not bother to clean bottles or his tabletop with alcohol before filling syringes with his bare, ungloved hands, the informant said in court papers.
Stefanie Koch, an aesthetician at Skin Solutions, a medical spa in Brentwood where well-heeled clients can get injected with a host of substances from Botox to Restalyne to collagen, said Serrano's case shows that people often don't do enough research before having substances injected into their faces.
This "is the place of staying young and fit; even men do it now too," she said. "We work out, we stay fit, but the face — there's not so much you can do with working out the face — so you need a little help. They say, 'I can delay the knife if I do little fillers.' But there's often bruising and other things involved that they didn't calculate. They're thinking, 'It's just a lunch procedure,' but it's way more than that."
The Beverly Hills woman who received treatment from Serrano said Tuesday that "Dr. Daniel's" success in infiltrating the elite social circles speaks volumes about people's quest to erase signs of aging.
"We're all vain in Los Angeles," she said. "He grabbed ahold of a nice chunk of people in Beverly Hills. They trusted him, and he completely took advantage of them."
WorldTravel69
12-07-06, 13:59
I managed to make it to a couple of offices.
Here is my findings.
1. Chen Hwa Hsin at Chivilcoy 2669 Apt 1, Villa Devoto, does Accupressure and Massage. My back felt better after, but I needed to return for more treatments.
2. Craig and David I did not find the time to go there.
But here are their addresses. Larida 2872, Marina, San Isidro, 1 55 879 4002. On Wednesdays they are near the Microcentro at Talcahuano 958, p6 D, at 13:00 hours. Same phone number. I was told they would be in Belgrano on Fridays. Not sure if it is the street or the town.
I did not go to Carol Beetschen's office. I believe women do not have the strength to adjust my neck and back.
I found another Dr. in the phone book. Dr. Gustavo Clement, Charcas 4426 (1425) Tel: 4775-1863, Cel: (15) 4992-9952. clementgustavo@hotmail.com
I went there and got an adjustment. He speaks Spanish and French. His methods were different than what I am used to, I was a little nervous, but what he did worked. I still needed to go back for more adjustments, but did not find the time.
My apartment owner told me about an office, Kits Institute, Arenales 1363, 4811 2854. It was busy when I went there and did not want to wait.
Try the following:
Chen 4567-1997
Carol Beetschen - trained in U. S. +Switzerland. Offices Palermo and San Telmo. 4307 8880
Supposedly two Americans Craig / David trained at Palmer. Appointments made through Marina at.
155879 4002. Stories of long waits for appointments.
Let us know how it goes.
Thomaso276
12-07-06, 21:05
Kits on Arenales is a Phys. Therapy center. You have to have a Doctors' order to get treatment. Tradional treatments for minor injuires, sprains, etc. Inlcuding electro stimulus to muscles. I went for tendonitis in my shoulder, pain was debilatating. Took about 2 months for recovery. They were very profesional but as of last year I do not believe they take walk-in business.
I have work done on my teeth quite a lot. The office of my dentist is in Olivos. Easy to get by train from the city. Also, I had laser eye surgery for miopia. Nearsighted) and came out great, (3 years ago) NO MORE EYE GLASSES!
If anyone needs their information just let me know: californiadeli@hotmail. Com
www.hereicomeargentina.com
Good luck!
Paul
My monthly Docthos premium just increased 22%.
I can see it on my online payment service but I'm not currently receiving regular Argentine mail which is Docthos' normal (only?) communication method. I assume they sent out an explanation.
Q: Did the other Docthos users out there get the same hike?
Also, have you found a way to communicate with them online? As much as I like Docthos, they are behind the times compared to many other large Argentine service providers in terms of streamlined communication.
Thomaso276
01-07-07, 16:50
All private health insurance plans took big increases this year 20-22%. Gov't stepped in and plans adjusted their co-payment plans to increase nly 6-9% but then raised their co-payments (blood work 20-30 pesos for example) hospital stay 100-150 pesos nightly) but were allowed to keep high increase for the super coverage plans. By the way for Swiss Med they have no co-pay for their only international plan so my choice was lmited.
I stayed with best plan and paid the increase.
Courcheval
01-18-07, 15:40
Could anyone recommend a reasonbly priced doctor or practicioner? I visited one clinic, they wanted 300 pesos for consultation!Amazing, official prices for doctors were published in Clarinx a week ago and a specialist would go for 20 pesos.
I visited a cosmetic surgeon to get rid of a annoying button over my eyebrow. The price for this luxury consultation was 50 pesos, which I m sure was a gringo price. The operation for burning the button (rental of the laser and block, throw away medical clothes, accompanying nurse) was 600 pesos, which is I m sure about twice the price of what a porteno pro would have paid.
Or. You can also pay in nature: the doc I visited got famous 2 years ago for operating for free a travestite in exchange of sexual favors (which were caught on hidden camera and broadcast on tv)
Amazing Argentina =)
Mac Terius
01-24-07, 16:42
I work in a (actually my father is the owner) dental centre in the area of Congreso right in front of the plaza. The prices are reasonable (we didn't increased the prices by 20% last January) I am bilingual since I lived in the US for ten years, so if you are afraid of the comunication issue, don't worry, just let me know that you are coming from this foro and I will get you a good deal.
Txs
All private health insurance plans took big increases this year 20-22%. Gov't stepped in and plans adjusted their co-payment plans to increase nly 6-9% but then raised their co-payments (blood work 20-30 pesos for example) hospital stay 100-150 pesos nightly) but were allowed to keep high increase for the super coverage plans. By the way for Swiss Med they have no co-pay for their only international plan so my choice was lmited.
I stayed with best plan and paid the increase.I'm looking at my online account and see two bills for this month, one at the 20% increased rate and another at the original rate. I called Swiss Med and they told me the increased rate has no copays as always but the lower rate will now have copays. I have the global plan and used it once here in USA. I assume if I pay the lower rate, which I plan on doing, I've elected the copay plan which is fine now since I'm out of Argentina but will probably change to the zero copay plan once I return. Sounds logical to a yanqui but, who knows, the phone rep made it sound like once I make the copay / zero copay decision I can't change. Can anyone confirm?
Thomaso276
02-12-07, 08:45
Co-pay plan does not have international coverage, less local coverage, and the co-pays have gone up considerably (e. g. 100 pesos per day for hospital, 20-30 pesos for certain visits, it was 11 pesos, etc) The info is posted on their website for each plan. I have plan SM63
I was also advised that the election was for the year and could not be changed, this was based on paying cash upfront for the full year for the one month free discount. Cannot comment on anyone using a CC for monthly premium.
You could always get another company.
I decided to continue my same coverage becasue I am happy with the service and convenience of their facilities and it is still alot cheaper than coverage in the USA.
Member #1036
02-16-07, 18:32
I've had this skin problem the last year and this week on the flight over I was scratching like a dog with fleas. My skin is raw from scratching so Ana told me to go to Aleman Hospital.
I was told to go to the clinic and they set me up with a dermatologist. Paid $52 pesos and sat down till my number came up. Walk in and it is a cute doctor looks about 30 or so. Man she hooked me up with meds and was real professional. The medicines I bought were expensive but its ok since it relieved my discomfort. She tells me to come back today and she is really flirtatious. Compared to the girls in clubs I'm used to she doesn't compare but for a non working professional doctor she turned me on.
She says to email her so I just sent an email to invite her to eat this weekend. I'll probably get the rejection but I had to try.
She says to email her so I just sent an email to invite her to eat this weekend. I'll probably get the rejection but I had to try.Typically Portenas want you to be masculine and appropriately aggressive. Go after what you want and don't be overshy. Of course, don't ask her to treat that funky rash you have on your balls, or that burning pain you get when you urinate. ;)
I very recently, like yesterday, developed a dental problem. I figure it can wait a tiny bit until I reach Argentina. Does anyone know of a good dentist in the San Martin Park area? I guess I can travel a little distance, but I prefer better to cheaper. Feel free to send me a private message.
Smirky
Well, I spent most of the day in the Swiss Medical ER with a kidney stone. A wonderful experience, particularly the cab ride in morning traffic from San Telmo to Barrio Norte. I now need a urologist to further assess the situation. Anybody know of a good one?
Agonizing Dogg
Dogg,
I've had one myself so I know how it hurts. Did you get a CT scan in the hospital? The urologist will need to see the results before he can really help you. A scan with and without contrast is usually done to see how much blockage there is. If it is severe, you risk kidney damage if you don't have it taken care of quickly. Pray that you don't need a stent to keep the passage open until they can break up the stone. To do that they shove cameras (an SLR I think) and claws up your peepee. PM me if you want more particulars on my experience.
Good luck, and I mean that sincerely.
PS: See if you can get a girl with good oral skills to suck it out.
I work in a (actually my father is the owner) dental centre in the area of Congreso right in front of the plaza. The prices are reasonable (we didn't increased the prices by 20% last January) I am bilingual since I lived in the US for ten years, so if you are afraid of the comunication issue, don't worry, just let me know that you are coming from this foro and I will get you a good deal.
TxsI will be in Bs. As. From April13 thru May 7 and need some Dental work done. Please Email me your Telephone # and Address.
Thanks,
Lobo
WorldTravel69
04-25-07, 16:47
Update for Craig Ingram Penny, D. C. And David Serio, D. C.
Their main office is Larida 2872, Lomas de San Isidro, 4723-4342, 1558794002.
On Mondays and Wednesdays David is at Talcahuano 958, piso 6 D, near the MicroCenter. 155874002. Craig is at Olleros 1782 piso 2 D, in Belgrano on Tuesdays and Fridays. 155874002. Marina is the secretary at these last two offices. She Speaks English.
I just paid 100p for the first visit and 60p for return visits. Locals pay 75p for the first visit. And less for the return visits.
I managed to make it to a couple of offices.
Here is my findings.
1. Chen Hwa Hsin at Chivilcoy 2669 Apt 1, Villa Devoto, does Accupressure and Massage. My back felt better after, but I needed to return for more treatments.
2. Craig and David I did not find the time to go there.
But here are their addresses. Larida 2872, Marina, San Isidro, 1 55 879 4002. On Wednesdays they are near the Microcentro at Talcahuano 958, p6 D, at 13:00 hours. Same phone number. I was told they would be in Belgrano on Fridays. Not sure if it is the street or the town.
I did not go to Carol Beetschen's office. I believe women do not have the strength to adjust my neck and back.
I found another Dr. In the phone book. Dr. Gustavo Clement, Charcas 4426 (1425) Tel: 4775-1863, Cel: (15) 4992-9952. clementgustavo@hotmail. Com
I went there and got an adjustment. He speaks Spanish and French. His methods were different than what I am used to, I was a little nervous, but what he did worked. I still needed to go back for more adjustments, but did not find the time.
My apartment owner told me about an office, Kits Institute, Arenales 1363, 4811 2854. It was busy when I went there and did not want to wait.
Jaimito Cartero
06-01-07, 05:12
Last Friday I started feeling sick, and thought that I was coming down with a cold. After a couple of miserable days, I finally decided to go to a medical clinic to get checked out.
Being economical, I tried Sidney's recommendation, Centro Medical, Junin 721, but of course on a Sunday they were closed. I then went to Swiss Medical on Santa Fe. I went to the second floor, and they asked a few questions. I asked how much for the consultation, and was told 120 pesos. This was paid up front. I was thinking that I should at least get to see the doctora naked first before paying up, but figured I'd keep my big mouth shut.:)
The waiting room was crowded, so I figured I'd have a good wait. I had just sat down, and had started to read when I heard them call a name. A couple of people looked at me, and they again called my name.
I went into the room, and after about a 90 second inspection, the Dra was writing out two scrips for me. Some sort of throat infection, it seems. Standard 10 day amoxycilin.
Coming in, I had seen that there was a Farmacity and and one of those cheap generic places (Dr Ahorro?) next to each other. I go and ask at the cheap place first. 100p for an equivalent product to what the doctor prescribed.
I go in the back of the Farmacity, and wait a couple of minutes. They have the exact prescription. About 72 pesos. Since I've always seen everyone on here ask for the cash discount, I do so. Yes, a 25% discount is available, if I pay 1 peso for each "coupon". Ends up costing 51 pesos with the coupons. Pretty quick and easy.
While Swiss Medical isn't cheap (for BA) it was the quickest I've ever gone in and out for any type of doctors checkup. Plus I got a goodbye kiss, which never hurts.
I'm sorry your not feeling well. Did the doctor say it was some sort of std? I hope you get better.
Jaimito Cartero
06-01-07, 16:19
I'm sorry your not feeling well. Did the doctor say it was some sort of std? I hope you get better.Some sort of throat infection. I'm back to almost normal now. I guess it could have come from DATY. I'm back at home working to pay for all the airline tickets I bought last month. Sigh. Plus 103 degree weather.
That was a hell of a short trip. Did you leave because you were ill? At least you don't have the humidty NYC has.
Jaimito Cartero
06-02-07, 00:02
That was a hell of a short trip. Did you leave because you were ill? At least you don't have the humidty nyc has.No, two weeks is about normal for one of my trips. If I'm lucky, I get a month during the summer, but the last couple of years, I've even been splitting that up. The last full month I spent anywhere was in Rio.
At the corner of Santa Fe and Pueyrredon. This is a class act:
15 minute wait, 80 pesos for a family doctor--medico de cabasera; 120 pesos for a specialist. Received a complete examination. Diagnosis: beginging of the flu and the throat infection that is going around. Treatment: tamiflu[132pesos]
And amoxidal. No one spoke to me in english, but they did ask if I wanted to wait for an english speaking doctor.
If any of you have a sore throat you should get benzocaina losengers at the pharmacy. They freeze your throat so you don't feel anything. Its way better than cepecol in the states. I always bring a load back when I leave.
WorldTravel69
06-04-07, 09:59
I have been there three times in the last 3 months. It is 59p for the doctor visit and X-Rays costs 86p.
About 6 mos. Ago, I paid 50 or 56 pesos at Alemania Hospital.
I have been in touch recently with an ex and her family and they are in the area of Almirante Brown, west barrio I beleive. It seems there is a bit of a flu epidemic that has one in every house sick. I guess it like our winter here.
Unfortunately her under 1 year son was taken ill and she needed immediate medical attention. Here is the take on what is going on. Apparently he had to stay a week in the hospital. He shared a room with 8 other sick children. Because of space issues there are beds set up in the hallways. I inquired about what the doctor said and the few that make rounds, even less on the weekends as you can well imagine, are pleaded with by the parents, please look at my child. I also am under the impression that the clinic also has masses of people waiting to get in every morning. Many do not.
This is part of South America that does disturb, that while yes services are available to those who might be priced out of the Swiss Hospital or the Alemania Hospital, the government seems to somehow overlook the masses.
Any advise on where I can assist her to get a second opinion or some care for her son would be appreciated. Far cry from the land of Recoleta.
There is a ***** of a flu going around, reconsider DFK / DATY unless you like having near-fatal fevers, bodyache and being in bed for at least a week.
Thomaso276
06-10-07, 11:00
You get your flu shot down here in April / May. It is a different strain from the North America shot. Mine was imported from France. I just got over a head cold which I suspect would have been the full blown flu without the shot.
I had the flu here last year (I did not get the shot) and it knocked me on my ass for over a week. Shots are available at just about any pharmacy - about 40 pesos as I recall. There was a big public health push for shots last month and I think the gov't had free programs for those who could not afford it.
Master J: I do not think there is any treatment for a flu other than to ride it out and take liquids / aspirin / over the counter remedys etc.
Might be worth it for those coming down to get to a pharmacy and get a shot right away.
Jaimito Cartero
06-11-07, 18:44
In general, I'm impressed with the health care in Argentina. I was sick one time, and a chica took me to a hospital. I wasn't aware that it was a public one until they started asking for my DNI number. No problem, though. I waited for about 10 minutes, and english speaking doctor saw me, did a thorough exam, and wrote prescriptions. I didn't pay anything except for the prescriptions.
Obviously when there is an epidemic, it can be hard to cope with everything. I've lived in other latin american countries, and the care in Argentina is still better than what I've seen.
As I posted, when you are first having flu symptoms, tamiful.
Will stop it in it's tracks. The doctor at Swiss Medical explained to me that the viral infections will respond to.
Tamiflu during the first 24 to 48 hours. The flu is a virus or viral infection. I took the tamiflu within the first 12 hours.
Of flu-like symptoms, within 36 hours I was 80% better.
My family doctor in Miami verified what the Swiss Medical doctor told me.
Bob
I started getting a sore throat two days before I left. I stopped smoking and drinking which by no surprise helped tremendously. I notice not all of you folow that route.
I was told to take amoxicilina which I bought but havent started because I'm not feeling all that bad.
My doctor explained to me that the medication would help clear up bacteria which would help clear the virus quicker. Signs of bacteria infection would be a fever or over productive coughs which I havent had.
I suggest starting any antibiotics only when you are very bad off. A few days of discomfort is common for an ordinary cold / flu. I guess age may play a role also.
The problem here is nyc is trying to get better when your walking in and out of air condition all day. Sometimes my cold has lasts all summer when I get it at the beginning of the season.
Got a flu shot today at Farmacia Azul. 39p. In and out in no time.
AllIWantIsLove
06-13-07, 12:54
The taking of antibiotics without medical supervision is what causes resistant strains of bacteria. Bacteria resistant to antibiotics is a HUGE problem today. People are dying from bacterial infections which were previously treatable because the bacteria have become resistant to the antibiotics. PLEASE don't take antibiotics without medical supervision.
I started getting a sore throat two days before I left. I stopped smoking and drinking which by no surprise helped tremendously. I notice not all of you folow that route.
I was told to take amoxicilina which I bought but havent started because I'm not feeling all that bad.
My doctor explained to me that the medication would help clear up bacteria which would help clear the virus quicker. Signs of bacteria infection would be a fever or over productive coughs which I havent had.
I suggest starting any antibiotics only when you are very bad off. A few days of discomfort is common for an ordinary cold / flu. I guess age may play a role also.
The problem here is nyc is trying to get better when your walking in and out of air condition all day. Sometimes my cold has lasts all summer when I get it at the beginning of the season.
Tucuman 810, 1st Floor, #16.
4328 5625
Had a toothache, got a same day appt. Guy fixed 2 caveties in about 30 minutes. 20 for the consult, 40 a tooth or 33 US for the whole package.
Don't know if they speak English.
I am looking for a lap band surgeon for my next trip down. Any suggestions or reccomedations.
Thanks in advance.
Rod
Can anyone tell me of a clinic to get tested for stds? I found a place giving HIV tests, but that's all they give; I'm looking to get the whole nine yards. Also, I am a man of meager resources, so an economical clinic is all the better.
I had some good times over the last 6 months but have found a non-pro Brazilian to run with for a while. But before we ditch the condoms, I need to know if I caught anything the one time I barebacked a pro.
Thanks for the help.
Salud
I can direct you to where I just recently got a physical. El Hospital Aleman. The consultation cost about 70 pesos. The Doc will do a physical examination of all your 2000 parts and then you can ask him to run a full STD screen. That would generally just include an HIV antibody test, a Syphilis screening, a Hep panel. This should also be accompanied by a routine CBC panel and a Urinalysis. If you have any symptoms outside the usual be sure to tell the doctor. A urinalysis will probably catch a bacterial infection but a specific culture would be much more helpful in determining the antibiotic you might need. Also, you might want to ask for a herpes and hpv screen.
My total exam cost 70 pesos, the full std screen plus cbc and urinalysis cost about 210 pesos. Then the follow up where the Doc gives you the results and the clean bill of health costs another 70 pesos. So in total expect to pay about 350 pesos or about 115 dollars. I understand you are a man of meager means but your health is something you should never skimp on, you don't want to get any false negatives or false positives at any funny bunny free clinics. El Aleman has very good 1st world facilities, care and organization overall.
Here's the website http://www.hospitalaleman.com.ar/
You can call and make an appointment.
Bad.
PS, It is good to be careful and get checked regularly whether or not you fuck pro's bareback. I have met many girls who I would have never thought would be pros, with husbands, kids, long term boyfriends, college girls, secretaries and so on, but they were. So if you do bang ANY girls bareback, always get checked regularly, monogamy is a joke in Argentina. Don't sweat it too much though, it is pretty damn hard to catch HIV during normal heterosexual intercourse, but other stuff is much more common. And stay away from the transvestites.
Thanks Bad.
I'll be sure to check them out. I'm even thinking of bring along my Brazilian - to help translate, but to also see that she gets a good look up and down. Who know what her past may be, and I hear Brazilians are REAL promiscuous, more so than the Argentines.
Salud
Punter 127
09-08-07, 15:16
This week I had my first experience with Argentine medical care. Ana Luna accompanied me to the German Hospital "Aleman". I initially requested an MRI, but was told I would need to see a doctor first. Within two hours I was being examined by specialist, (try to do that in the states) he didn ’t think I need an MRI but did have my foot.
X-rayed, (which he gave to me to keep) his diagnoses was “plantar fasciitis ” which I had also been told in the states, but had not been X-rayed or examined by a specialist. He gave me a prescription for the Inflammation; and I am also getting daily therapeutic treatments on my foot, I was unable to get this treatment at the hospital because they did not have any openings for twenty days. (That ’s the only negative) The doctor also gave me an order for an MRI should I decide I want to have one, which just for peace of mind I may, because this problem has been on going for several months, I ’m checking on the cost now.
The cost for all this; the Specialist $70ar, the X-ray $35ar, and the prescription $35ar, for a total of $140ar, the last time I had an x-ray in the states my co-pay was more than the total cost here.
I can ’t say enough about Ana Luna ’s help with the communications, and I ’m sure she saved me a lot of steps, which is very important right now.
I think anyone could negotiate Ana ’s help if you need it, and you are will to work around her schedule.
To me Ana Luna ’s friendship is priceless! :)
WorldTravel69
09-08-07, 16:10
For me it was getting older that was my problem. Check your foot size. I wore 9 1/2 most of my life, but a few years ago my feet started to hurt. I went to the doctor and got the same answer you did. So one day I went to buy a new pair of shoes and the guy that measure my foot said now one foot 10 1/2 and the other is 11. Plus 2 E, when I always wore a regular width.
This week I had my first experience with Argentine medical care. Ana Luna accompanied me to the German Hospital "Aleman". I initially requested an MRI, but was told I would need to see a doctor first. Within two hours I was being examined by specialist, (try to do that in the states) he didn 't think I need an MRI but did have my foot.
X-rayed, (which he gave to me to keep) his diagnoses was "plantar fasciitis " which I had also been told in the states, but had not been X-rayed or examined by a specialist. He gave me a prescription for the Inflammation; and I am also getting daily therapeutic treatments on my foot, I was unable to get this treatment at the hospital because they did not have any openings for twenty days. (That 's the only negative) The doctor also gave me an order for an MRI should I decide I want to have one, which just for peace of mind I may, because this problem has been on going for several months, I 'm checking on the cost now.
The cost for all this; the Specialist $70ar, the X-ray $35ar, and the prescription $35ar, for a total of $140ar, the last time I had an x-ray in the states my co-pay was more than the total cost here.
I can 't say enough about Ana Luna 's help with the communications, and I 'm sure she saved me a lot of steps, which is very important right now.
I think anyone could negotiate Ana 's help if you need it, and you are will to work around her schedule.
To me Ana Luna 's friendship is priceless!:)
Punter 127
09-08-07, 17:24
For me it was getting older that was my problem. Check your foot size. I wore 9 1/2 most of my life, but a few years ago my feet started to hurt. I went to the doctor and got the same answer you did. So one day I went to buy a new pair of shoes and the guy that measure my foot said now one foot 10 1/2 and the other is 11. Plus 2 E, when I always wore a regular width.I have new shoes that my therapist in the states and the specialist here approved of, and I had special insoles made. Also the therapist checked for proper fit of my shoes, at this point nothing has helped much, but thanks for the suggestion.
Plantar fasciitis can really be a drag. I had it a few years back and it didn't go away until I slept in a special "boot" that held my foot flexed in an up position for almost a year. Once you get used to sleeping in the boot, it isn't too bad.
Punter 127
09-08-07, 19:54
Plantar fasciitis can really be a drag. I had it a few years back and it didn't go away until I slept in a special "boot" that held my foot flexed in an up position for almost a year. Once you get used to sleeping in the boot, it isn't too bad.Yes you are right it's a drag, I was given a "night splint" just before I came to BsAs. Looks like it could be a long battle.
Master J,
I moved your questions about child custody to a new thread.
http://www.argentinaprivate.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4179
Thanks,
Jackson
Howdy all,
A friend of mind is an M. D. Physician, and one wonders if and how he can work in Argentina in his profession, if he wishes to live here, licenses, etc.
WorldTravel69
10-05-07, 12:02
Casa de Vida, Chiropractic
The new office receptionist is Valeria, at the Talcahuano and Belgrano offices. She speaks English.
http://www.vidachiropractic.com
Update for Craig Ingram Penny, D. C. And David Serio, D. C.
Their main office is Laprida 2872, Lomas de San Isidro, 4723-4342.
On Mondays and Wednesdays David is at Talcahuano 958, piso 6 D, near the MicroCenter. 15-5879-4002.
Craig is at Olleros 1782 piso 2 D, in Belgrano on Tuesdays and Fridays. 15-5879-4002.
Marina is the secretary at these last two offices. She Speaks English.
I just paid 100p for the first visit and 60p for return visits. Locals pay 75p for the first visit. And less for the return visits.
Greetings- wouldn't you know, I just broke a tooth yesterday.
I will get it taken care of within the next 2 weeks here in the US, but if I need a good dentist (English speaking) can anyone recommend one?
Best Regards.
Smuler
Thomaso276
10-08-07, 11:14
If you need an implant, PM me for a reference.
Update- US dentist fixed it today (temporarily)
I need a root canal and crown- Fuck!
I will not let this effect my budget.
Best Regards.
Smuler
I've been to a few dentists in my time, but he's great. I asked around and got his name and he also speaks English well. He's also an adjunct at the Universidad de Buenos Aires.
4322-5337
He's also conveniently located at Viamonte 920 3C.
http://www.ciudadental.com/ingles/turnos.htm
Dominicfla
12-06-07, 23:48
Sidney - I had composite bonding (which whitens as well as fixes spaces and frontal defects) done with him. He speaks English, and I am quite pleased with the result.
I had 4 teeth done for a total of AR$6600 (US$2200) includes teeth guard / retainer); the procedure itself probably took between 1 1/2 to 2 hours. I will dig through my travel bag and send you the specific information, but I do remember that his office is on Purreydon 1100 or 1200 block (a few blocks south of Santa Fe)
I got the procedure done somewhat impulsively, and would suggest researching the various whitening methods available before making the commitment. Overall it should be significantly less expense to get it done in Argentina vs. The U. S.
Cheers,
D
Thomaso276
12-07-07, 01:48
Sorry bro, it sounds like you paid USA price.
Remember down here if anyone speaks english it costs more.
ComeOnDown
01-30-08, 18:03
Of all places, guess where I found an english speaking female dentist with reasonable rates. At a dental consultorio at Coto in Abasto which is just beside the Abasto Mall. The name of the dentist is Dra. Yanina (pretty by dentist's standard) They have a schedule of their rates so getting charged the gringo rate is not possible because you can always consult their published rates. Her dental assistant is super hot as in a 9. Threre are 3 dentists in the office and Dra. Yanina is the only one who speaks english. Her clinic hours are in the afternoons of Wednesday and Thursday.
Hello,
I'm looking for recent experiences with dentist in BA for teeth bleaching and crown replacment.
Thanks
Jaimito Cartero
03-11-08, 16:02
Has anyone gotten glasses in BA? I'm wondering if there is any monetary advantage to getting it done compared to the states. I'd need an eye exam as well.
JC,
I've priced them at a few places and found the prices high. Passed. You mentioned SJO, Costa Rica recently. Great deals there. Titanium frames, progressive and transitional for $155us.
Jaimito Cartero
03-11-08, 17:19
JC,
I've priced them at a few places and found the prices high. Passed. You mentioned SJO, Costa Rica recently. Great deals there. Titanium frames, progressive and transitional for $155us.Well, I was there last month, but didn't even think about it. I probably should have gotten some in the Philippines last year, but I wasn't going to be in Manila long enough.
Let see, my next locations are going to be after BA: Jakarta, Colombo, Bangkok, Singapore, and Johannesburg. I guess I could always just get them done at Costco.:(
Good or bad and cost?I've had my right one scoped x3 and reconstructed once. But not in BA. PM me if you have any questions about the procedure.
WorldTravel69
03-11-08, 21:02
I bought a pair and they matched my prescription. But that was three years ago, and prices have gone way up.
Has anyone gotten glasses in BA? I'm wondering if there is any monetary advantage to getting it done compared to the states. I'd need an eye exam as well.
Jaimito Cartero
04-04-08, 16:31
Yes, prices in the US are crazy. I usually get all my dental work done in Costa Rica, but it's nice to know that local dentists are affordable, and competent.
Dr Andres Son LEE.
Pueyrredon 1443 Piso 12 why santa fe.
4827 2776/4778 office staff has some limited english, dr lee is close to fluent.
Dr Lee attended NY University Dental School and has advanced training in implantology from Harvard. He is 50. This is a group practice in cluding 4 asian dentist and one MD. They are affiliate with the swiss clinic. They are on the 12 th floor of the swiss clinic building with the maternity unit.
For our west coast bretheren, Dr. Owns an implant clinic in LA and works there part of every other month. www.new-imaging.com
I have some serious dental problems and went there initial for a root canal. An assistant did the root canal for 150 pesos including xray and full exam. When the first dentist saw that my mouth was a mess, dr lee came in for a free.
Consultation. He sent me around the corner for a panaramic x-ray[80 pesos] and then dr lee spent 45 minutes withme discussing structual problems with my mouth. He wewnt through my miami dentist's plan and criticed it. He offerred a referral to a dentist in miami. I asked if he could all the work in a series of 2 week visits. He said yes because he owns the lab that builds the bridges and crowns. He charges 25% of his LA prices for work done in ba. His complete plan to rebuild aLL OF MY PRIOR DENTAL WORK WITH IMPLANTS IS 30,000. Pesos IN MIAMI WITH CLIP-INS THE ESTIMATE WAS US$22,000. AND WITH IMPLANTS US$45,000. TO 55,000.
My new portena girl friend has a bridge for 20 years that he installed and 4 implants that he did 7 or 8 years ago. Per portena girl firend dr lee is 50% more expensive than the average dentist. He does the work for media people.
A small correction on Miami Bob's post about Dr. Lee.
The BA phone number is 4827-4776.
I thought Bob was low, but did't get around to asking him.El Sid-Bob's phone number had a wrong digit.
Dr. Lee is charging a total of about us$2000 for a 4 unit and 5 unit bride. I can bring cash or wire the money to his usa bank account or use a credit card with a surcharge. My dentist in miami wanted us$8500 for the same job.
If this goes well, i need some implants---Dr. Lee attends an implantology conference at NYU every year.
bob
After witnessing the successful results by others and in a effort to ''get on a level playing field'' with all you other ''young studs'', I decided to undergo facial cosmetic surgery. Why hide it? Some of you will figure it out anyway. To date, the procedures have been very successful. For me (not true for others) there has been no pain, minimal swelling and bruising, and 2 black eyes (200 sutures near my eyes and ears! I have lost a lot of wrinkles, opened my ''squinting eyes'' from an old hockey injury, and lost a few years! The physician was Horacio Mayer M. D. The out-patient hospital was Clinica del Sol. Both were outstanding. Time in surgery was 1:15, sutures 1:30, 5 hours recovery, and a:30 bbbj by my nurse! -------------- I'm Too Sexy Sid!Yes Sidney, but does this make your "Dick Any Harder"
Exon
Looks like I need an orthopedist and some physical therapy. Recommendations would be appreciated. I got a barking dog.
I've been to a few dentists in my time, but he's great. I asked around and got his name and he also speaks English well. He's also an adjunct at the Universidad de Buenos Aires.
4322-5337
He's also conveniently located at Viamonte 920 3C.
http://www.ciudadental.com/ingles/turnos.htmI went to see this guy today.
Painless filling. Cost - 170 pesos.
Quote for other work.
Cleaning costs 200 pesos.
Porcalin crown 820 pesos.
Temporary crown 92 pesos.
X ray 30 pesos.
Excellent english.
NOt looking forward to the crown. First timer.
Hi,
Has anyone had any experience with hair restoration / microtransplant here in BA? I hear it's much cheaper than in the US.
I would appreciate any info from someone who had a good experience, including prices.
Thanks
Big Boss Man
12-01-08, 19:24
I went to this place recommended by Sydney to get a temporary cap that came loose cemented back in. Dr Patricia was not there. He only works Thursday. However there was an opening thirty minutes later with Dra. Mercedes Barila'. She spoke some English and was interested in working with Americans with dental problems. She is well-aware of the price differences. My procedure cost 50 pesos. She gave me a hug when I walked out whcih was a first at a dental offfice for me. I was a walk-in because I did not know the number. The phone number for the Center is 4371-6545.
Dr lee has done a great job at 1/5 the quoted price from implant specialist in Miami. In stead of bone graft, he employed a stem cell derived bone regenerating material made in Korea with $$ research from USA as this work was illegal under the neoconservative government in USA. Contact info is posted earlier.
Dr Lee speaks ok english. He is graduate of NYU dental school and has certs on wall from Harvard implant clinical programs he attends yearly.
He is afiliated with the Swiss clinics.
as this work was illegal under the neoconservative government in USA.As I've suspected for years: A fucking Neocon plot to destroy our teeth!
Thanks,
Jackson
Modern medical materials derived from stem cell research which is illegal in the usa and being developed in korea and used throught the modern world except the usa where power was held and shared with religious zelots who would love to put jackson in jail and discourage modern medical research? Jackson why would the usanot permitt my denist in the usa to use modern stem stem cell derived materials. Why would the usa not wish to be in front on this type of research and it's commercial applications?
I realize that you may have been making a glib joke, but some the decisions which the guys made to placate their religious power base are pretty off the wall I also hope that Obamah will give a lower priority to nancy pelosi and al sharpton's wish lists which may have equal intellectual weight to the banning of most federally funded stem cell reasearch---which is the law.
If you are travelling in Argentina and find that you need prescription medicine, can a tourist get it?
Can a tourist go to a doctor and get prescribed heart disease pills, or sleeping tablets, or diabetic meds or antidepressants or hypertension medication?
Will a doctor treat you on your merits, or will he simply tell you to get back to your home country and talk to your own doctor.
This is very important information for a lot of guys here. They are in the age bracket where access to prescription drugs might be very important, and people DO get their stuff robbed at times.
So if you know, please share the info. You could save a life.
Thomaso276
12-08-08, 10:30
You can bring in 90 days worth of meds so you should never run out, however, many of these meds are available here without a script or you can go to any Dr. And get one after appropriate exam.
Don't ask me for a Dr., I use Swiss Med.
If you are travelling in Argentina and find that you need prescription medicine, can a tourist get it?
Can a tourist go to a doctor and get prescribed heart disease pills, or sleeping tablets, or diabetic meds or antidepressants or hypertension medication?
Will a doctor treat you on your merits, or will he simply tell you to get back to your home country and talk to your own doctor.
This is very important information for a lot of guys here. They are in the age bracket where access to prescription drugs might be very important, and people DO get their stuff robbed at times.
So if you know, please share the info. You could save a life.Medicine for heart disease, hypertension, diabetes etc can be had over the counter. Sleeping pills or antidepressants can be more problematic but any doctor will fill out a prescription without too much (if any) fuss.
Thomaso276
12-08-08, 17:44
Most pain pills need a script as well.
Gato Hunter
12-09-08, 00:58
Modern medical materials derived from stem cell research which is illegal in the usa and being developed in korea and used throught the modern world except the usa where power was held and shared with religious zelots who would love to put jackson in jail and discourage modern medical research? Jackson why would the usanot permitt my denist in the usa to use modern stem stem cell derived materials. Why would the usa not wish to be in front on this type of research and it's commercial applications?
I realize that you may have been making a glib joke, but some the decisions which the guys made to placate their religious power base are pretty off the wall I also hope that Obamah will give a lower priority to nancy pelosi and al sharpton's wish lists which may have equal intellectual weight to the banning of most federally funded stem cell reasearch---which is the law.My company is involved in stem cells. We do more work overseas than in the US for this very reason.
Right now the US is in a holding pattern, there is a 95% chance that Obama will reverse this silly embryonic stem cell law.
Meanwhile the South Koreans, French and especially the Taiwanese have a good 2-3 year head start on us. I have personally viewed some amazing research on kidney disease in Taipei.
One of my favorite sayings is that organized religion has killed more than any war, even while we are not in a war people are dieing because of what others believe.
While there are other stem cells that can be used, mainly bone marrow stem cells fighting leukemia, the real work has yet to begin in the US. Also some US scientists are moving to Europe to have better access to technology!
So now we have made a reverse H1-be visa!
I made my way to see this guy today. I was tired of the assembly line, Swiss Medical reimbursed, physical therapy I have been receiving. After only one session I can say this guy is a must see for anything ailing you in the muscle / skeleton department. A wizard. First session 120p.
http://www.capitalmasajes.com.ar/
Wally Foot
07-27-09, 22:00
I had a haircut and a beard trim the other day, in a hairdresser's on Cordoba. It cost me AR$50. The same place last year - in fact it was the very same rather effeminate barber - cost AR$30.
I don't mind the cost, but last year I was congratulating myself that it was a good deal cheaper than my local barber at home. Now it's actually marginally dearer.
In Belgrano, 3 blocks from Juramento subte station, only 25 pesos. Wash and a good cut (according to my girlfriend)
Shopping prices for this procedure, anybody have any recommendations?
Thx for any feedback.
Lunico
JustGotBack
08-03-09, 05:35
For the last few months I've been having this dull pain in my chest. I think it's time I addressed it. Can someone recommend a English speaking doctor I can go to for a physical and chest x-ray?
I looked through the thread and many people go to Hospitals like the Aleman. I only associate going to hospitals for acute care. Are they different in Argentina and they will also do physicals? If so, is there a recommended English speaking one?
For the last few months I've been having this dull pain in my chest. I think it's time I addressed it. Can someone recommend a English speaking doctor I can go to for a physical and chest x-ray?
I looked through the thread and many people go to Hospitals like the Aleman. I only associate going to hospitals for acute care. Are they different in Argentina and they will also do physicals? If so, is there a recommended English speaking one?There are both hospitals and clinics here, and I think the biggest difference in where to go for many locals is either what kind of insurance they have, or what place is closest (or cheapest)
Acute care is not a prerequisite for going to Hospital Aleman for non-insureds, which is where I went before I had insurance (purchased through Aleman) I would think that others are the same, but I don't know about Swiss Medical.
At HA, you might go to the emergency clinic, which just means it handles walk-ins. You can also make an appointment (which I recommend) and go to their lobby and wait there. The nice thing is that when you have an appointment, you won't wait as long; it's all really pretty efficient. You get a number after you pay the consulting fee (used to be 80 pesos, but I'm sure it's gone up in the last year and a half since I've had insurance) and just wait for the number to come up. Each specialty has its own set of numbers.
In my opinion, you will probably have a better chance of finding an English-speaking doctor at one of the hospitals. I'm not sure if you could call ahead and make a specific appointment with a doctor that speaks English, but if you try, when you call, just ask for someone who speaks English on the phone to help you through setting something up.
I personally don't know of any independent doctors who speak English, but every time I've been to HA most of the doctors I've spoken with speak at least some English.
Member #3320
08-03-09, 22:32
For the last few months I've been having this dull pain in my chest. I think it's time I addressed it. Can someone recommend a English speaking doctor I can go to for a physical and chest x-ray?
I looked through the thread and many people go to Hospitals like the Aleman. I only associate going to hospitals for acute care. Are they different in Argentina and they will also do physicals? If so, is there a recommended English speaking one?Go to Hospital Aleman. You would have absolutely no issues if you speak no Spanish or have no insurance or if you have no appointment and if you are mildly or acutely ill.
They would take good care of you.
Hospital Aleman rocks!
Swiss Medical is also very good, if you need a choice. No problem with language at all.
You get a number and sit in a waiting room waiting for your number to come-up.
I got good service from the German Hospital and would recomend it.
A little more fancy and slightly more expensive is the Swiss Clinic--this place is really nice and english is common amongst the staff.
I have also used the swiss clinic--a few blocks from aleman-toward santa fee.
Swiss has the clinic enterances near the corner of Pueyrredon and Santa Fe on Pueyrredon. I went there with a problem. They asked if I wanted an english speaking doctor--I said the first available I speak spanish and after 5 minute wait, I got a doctor who gave me a very thorough examination and actually called my primary care doctor in Miami to discuss my situation with him. Top notch care--better than in the usa
Anyone know of a good Proctologist in Buenos Aires that specializes in burr removal?
I happen to know of someone who is behaving like they have a serious "burr up their ass" and it is unbecoming of them.
Thanks!
Canitasguy
10-08-09, 18:06
If anyone wants to buy his beloved chica a new pair for her birthday ---- or even for a TV if that's his thing. Or wants to get a little facial pick me up for himself, there is a new consultory opened in my neighborhood.
A senior Argie is the primary doctor and he works with a younger Spaniard by way of Montreal that speaks perfect English.
A local lady I know says they are the best, very professional, good people and their prices are competitive. She is a great advertisement for their skills at 45 looking 35 and hot!
Also, they do the medical tourism thing and serve Americans and Europeans who fly in to get worked on and they can handle the medical stuff, as well as the travel logistics.
PM me for a referral.
So far I don't need any work done myself. So far!
Went to Dr. Lee's office, 12 floor, Swiss Medical, for a check up. It's near Puerydon and Avenida Santa Fe.
Dr. Lee is rarely there but another dentist is there.
This dentist took X-Rays, told me what needed to be done, and wrote a prescription. As far as I can tell he was spot on.
I told him I was leaving town and wouldn't be back for about a month. Asked how much the visit cost.
He said nothing. Check back in when you are in town again.
Needless to say, this is my dentist when I am in Buenos Aires.
I am seeing him on Thanksgiving day for enamal overlays 25% of the cost in USA.
For anything complicate I want dr lee. He did 9 impllants and two bridges for me.
No problems. R Lee is the best dentist I have ever employed
Met Dr. Lee today. He put in the post for an implant. Took 20 minutes.
In a few days he will put on a temporary crown and then a little later the permanant crown.
Cost for everything is going to be $3800 pesos
Last week I had a tooth extraction and two implant posts put in in Doctor Lee's office. His associate Dr Joo did the extraction. That tooth had a root canal few years ago and started to decay last year. Dr Lee spent over an hour to remove the root of the extracted tooth. It was long and imbedded deep into the jaw bone. Then he put in the two implant posts in about half an hour. The whole job including two crowns to be put in in three to four months time will cost 6000 pesos.
To chime in on the dental work thing. On my eighth implant and one new bridge. Cost was about 10K. The going rate for a straight up single implant in my area of the US is going for about $3,400. Have more teeth now than I have had in forty years. The Dentists in BA are good and affordable.
Us$12,000 everything including porcelin veneers on all my visable teeth, 9 implants and two long bridge. The same service without the veneers was to be us$55,000.
Dr Lee is an incredible gentleman and the best dentist I have ever met. He will be spending more time in his Beverly Hills office where he works out of Cedars Sinai Medical Center.
Get to him in Ba while he is available. The last of his kids is out of high school and they are all at university in the usa.
He is really a great guy
Morning all,
I have checked through this thread and the links.
Any recent updates on prices and service for dentists?
I recently had work started in Medellin, which incidently has some excellent practioners.
That preliminary work now needs to be finished off some time soon and I will be back in BA February / March.
I require 3 crowns and the quality of work needs to be high.
TIA
I saw Dr. Gustavo Telo two years ago, they did a great job. They specifically cater to American and Canadian clientele, they have an "American" website, in fact when I was there all the other patients I saw were Americans. Prices posted on their website www.dental-argentina.com are about 1/4 the price in the US. High quality work on two crowns plus other work for me. I will be seeing him again this April.
Donald,
Thanks for taking the time to reply. Have looked at his website before. Prices are quite a bit more than in Colombia, however if the work is good quality the money is a secondary issue. Thanks again.
Any new good dental implant Dr. That I can visit? I need someone that is good, reliable, experienced and of course, inexpensive. I've seen the ones on the web but meh. Not 100% sure I would like to risk it.
Anyone know of an talented ENT Specialist? (Ear Nose Throat)
Matt Psyche
09-08-10, 22:15
Does he have any web site and / or email address?
Us$12,000 everything including porcelin veneers on all my visable teeth, 9 implants and two long bridge. The same service without the veneers was to be us$55,000.
Dr Lee is an incredible gentleman and the best dentist I have ever met. He will be spending more time in his Beverly Hills office where he works out of Cedars Sinai Medical Center.
Get to him in Ba while he is available. The last of his kids is out of high school and they are all at university in the usa.
He is really a great guy
Does he have any web site and / or email address?Here you go:
http://www.smiledental-implantcenter.com/clinicalaesthetics.htm
Matt Psyche
09-09-10, 19:18
If you know any good Ophthalmologist (Eye doctor) who could speak English, please let me know.
Here you go:
http://www.smiledental-implantcenter.com/clinicalaesthetics.htmI went by Dr. Lee's place today and got the best cleaning I've received since moving to BsAs years ago. I saw the nephew of Dr. Lee, Kwang Joo, but you can call him Juan Shoe. Young guy, smart, personable and did a fantastic job.
200p. That is a bargain for a topnotch cleaning. I've paid nearly as much and more here for poor work.
4827-4776.
If you know any good Ophthalmologist (Eye doctor) who could speak English, please let me know.I know I'm replying to an old post, but maybe you still need to see an ophthalmologist or someone else can use the info.
I would just go to Hospital Aleman at Pueyrredon y Juncal in Recoleta. They seem to have doctors in pretty much any field and English-speaking receptionists. Of the two doctors I've seen, one of them an ophthalmologist, both spoke English.
WorldTravel69
07-03-12, 15:11
I should have mentioned this place last year.
My bridge of 40 years or so fell out.
So, I went to this dentist and they cleaned the area and re-bonded the bridge for $150.
When I got home my dentist took an X-ray and said she thought she saw something under it.
She wanted to pull it and check out the area. It would have most likely cost me $1000. Or so after my insurance.
I had my Spanish teacher friend call them what they did. They said they cleaned and checked the area and did not see any problems.
I recommend this place and thank the person that posted it first.
DENTAL ARGENTINA.
Laprida 1621- Piso 2 B.
(C1425EKL). Ciudad de Buenos Aires.
+54 (11) 4828-0821.
Call FREE US & CANADA 1-888-784-9319.
www.dental-argentina.com <http://www.dental-argentina.com/
info@dental-argentina.com <mailto:info@dental-argentina.com
dental.arg@gmail.com <mailto:dental.arg@gmail.com
I should have mentioned this place last year.
My bridge of 40 years or so fell out.
So, I went to this dentist and they cleaned the area and re-bonded the bridge for $150.
When I got home my dentist took an X-ray and said she thought she saw something under it.
She wanted to pull it and check out the area. It would have most likely cost me $1000. Or so after my insurance.
I had my Spanish teacher friend call them what they did. They said they cleaned and checked the area and did not see any problems.
I recommend this place and thank the person that posted it first.
DENTAL ARGENTINA.
Laprida 1621- Piso 2 B.
(C1425EKL). Ciudad de Buenos Aires.
+54 (11) 4828-0821.
Call FREE US & CANADA 1-888-784-9319.
www.dental-argentina.com
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http://www.dental-argentina.com/
info@dental-argentina.com <mailto:info@dental-argentina.com
dental.arg@gmail.com <mailto:dental.arg@gmail.comAnyone here recommend a place for a regular cleaning and checkup?
Thanks
A swiss implant company set him up in cedars sinai in LA to finish clinical trials on the system he used on me. Dr lee and I still talk. He got thrown out and black balled for underpricing his services.
He has two offices in LA-huge one in koreatown and a small fancy office in beverly hills. I still go to him for anything major-implant of root canal. He is a great dentist and just can't understand how anyone can charge $1500 for a root canal and then another $800 for the crown. I geta long weekend in LA for free and great dental work
Member #3320
11-27-12, 14:29
Which dentist are you guys using for some serious work (not just cleaning) in BA.
Anyone used Dr Bettina Pettiti.
Which dentist are you guys using for some serious work (not just cleaning) in BA.
Anyone used Dr Bettina Pettiti.Alejandro Nicosia.
1629 Conde, Belgrano.
4554-6627.
Had the full monty, implants, bridges, (mouth overloading my ass in another life) crowns replaced dah dah. Cannot say enough about the guy. Have a real phobia about dentists and it was a cake walk. May not be the low bidder, but high quality and office is first rate. What I liked also was all the stuff, bridges and are manufactured at his office. Has some techs working there. No english. The man gets my five star vote.
Alejandro Nicosia.
1629 Conde, Belgrano.
4554-6627.
Had the full monty, implants, bridges, (mouth overloading my ass in another life) crowns replaced dah dah. Cannot say enough about the guy. Have a real phobia about dentists and it was a cake walk. May not be the low bidder, but high quality and office is first rate. What I liked also was all the stuff, bridges and are manufactured at his office. Has some techs working there. No english. The man gets my five star vote.I went to the neighborhood farmacia today and asked for some Viagra and the guy gave me Almaximo (sildenafil) 50 mg. He said this is the same thing as Viagra. Did he sell me some fake Viagra? Is it any good?
Thanks guys,
Big Boss Man
11-29-14, 20:40
I had a medical emergency the other day. I received good service here. They would not take cash. I paid by credit card. Maybe they were afraid that things could escalate and wanted to make sure they would get paid. If you are staying at an apartment it is probably smart to keep the address and phone number in your phone. I guess I could have called Citicard as they have concierge service. In the middle of things sometimes it is hard to think straight. The address for this place is Pueyrredon 1640. Phone number is 11-4827-7000.
Total bill was around $1000 dollars at the credit card exchange rate which I am sure will be covered by my insurance.
WorldTravel69
11-30-14, 04:44
Never paid more than US$40-50.
But, of course I only had the kissing flu.
Kissed my doctor and she gave some good wines to buy.
I wish it was this way at home.
I had a medical emergency the other day. I received good service here. They would not take cash. I paid by credit card. Maybe they were afraid that things could escalate and wanted to make sure they would get paid. If you are staying at an apartment it is probably smart to keep the address and phone number in your phone. I guess I could have called Citicard as they have concierge service. In the middle of things sometimes it is hard to think straight. The address for this place is Pueyrredon 1640. Phone number is 11-4827-7000.
Total bill was around $1000 dollars at the credit card exchange rate which I am sure will be covered by my insurance.
Never pay more than US$40-50.What you pay depends on what treatment you get and possibly on your insurance.
Also, do not forget that Hospital Aleman is a private hospital, not a public one.
What you pay depends on what treatment you get and possibly on your insurance.
Also, do not forget that Hospital Aleman is a private hospital, not a public one.Of course, public wannabe hospitals are free!
I don't know about the Boss Man, but my international coverage is not merely emergency-only, but requires me to get everything translated at my own expense. Hope that doesn't happen to him.
Sometime I will tell the story about taking my drunk chica to the ER at Hospital Argerich. I've visited people at or given blood at or taken people to about six public argie hospitals. All I can say is, Kafka would be proud, or maybe it should be Almodóvar.
I walked over to the nearest public hospital to me the other day, Hospital Rivadavia. I checked out the OP Ophthalmology department due to some kind of minor eye gland infection. I received an eye exam and a script for an antibiotic. An interesting experience. The place is like some dilapidated old compound or campus.
I was never asked my name, never asked for a passport, never asked for any Argie documentation, and never asked to pay a centavo.
Thomaso276
11-30-14, 14:47
I walked over to the nearest public hospital to me the other day, Hospital Rivadavia. I checked out the OP Ophthalmology department due to some kind of minor eye gland infection. I received an eye exam and a script for an antibiotic. An interesting experience. The place is like some dilapidated old compound or campus.
I was never asked my name, never asked for a passport, never asked for any Argie documentation, and never asked to pay a centavo.I was there for a blood test for marriage. Buildings like something out of the Adams Family.
Buildings like something out of the Adams Family.I drive by the hospital every morning on my way to work and I have the same impression. Have not yet had the opportunity of being treated here myself, but I haven't heard any negative comments so far.
I drive by the hospital every morning on my way to work and I have the same impression. Have not yet had the opportunity of being treated here myself, but I haven't heard any negative comments so far.They ought to offer guided tours of the place for a nominal fee. Educate some folks about the place and make a few pesos. Its an interesting eyesore. Reminded me of broken down sections of Old Havana.
Big Boss Man
12-06-14, 16:57
I don't know about the Boss Man, but my international coverage is not merely emergency-only, but requires me to get everything translated at my own expense. Hope that doesn't happen to him.
I have already had to fill out claim forms twice. It seems that you send local claims to Salt Lake City and international claims to Atlanta. Of course, now I have two claims submitted for the same incident in the system. I expect the knock on the door and having to do the perp walk for fraud any day now.
One good thing though is that El Alamo advised me to get a physical exam at the Mayo Clinic. He thought it was the best place to go and has had some experience with it. It turns out that the Mayo Clinic is in my provider network so I will only have pay the added cost of getting the executive physical beyond what they would pay for the typical man in his 60's physical.
Big Boss Man
12-25-14, 15:53
I have already had to fill out claim forms twice. It seems that you send local claims to Salt Lake City and international claims to Atlanta. Of course, now I have two claims submitted for the same incident in the system. I expect the knock on the door and having to do the perp walk for fraud any day now.
One good thing though is that El Alamo advised me to get a physical exam at the Mayo Clinic. He thought it was the best place to go and has had some experience with it. It turns out that the Mayo Clinic is in my provider network so I will only have pay the added cost of getting the executive physical beyond what they would pay for the typical man in his 60's physical.UHC ended up reimbursing me $331.00. I had a $500 deductible and something called coinsurance which was another $82.84 they deducted off the bill. I think they calculated a different exchange rate then my credit card and of course a 3% Foreign Transaction fee showed up on the credit card bill at the end of the month. Also I had a $25 co-pay to get the stitches out in the USA.
Now let's see if the Allianz travel insurance will cover the $584. They seem to not like the Argentinian forms. They want the doctor to fill out their form.
Gentlemen: I need to see a dentist for a check-up and basic cleaning. English required. Does anyone have any info or experience with the above group. Good webpage and a member of the ADA.
Thanks,
Paladin.
WorldTravel69
03-26-15, 17:10
I used them when I was there. The receptionist spoke English.
DENTAL ARGENTINA.
Laprida 1621- Piso 2 B.
(C1425EKL). Ciudad de Buenos Aires.
+54 (11) 4828-0821.
Call FREE US & CANADA 1-888-784-9319.
www.dental-argentina.com
http://www.dental-argentina.com/
info@dental-argentina.com <mailto:info@dental-argentina.com.
dental.arg@gmail.com <mailto:dental.arg@gmail.com.
Gentlemen: I need to see a dentist for a check-up and basic cleaning. English required. Does anyone have any info or experience with the above group. Good webpage and a member of the ADA.
Thanks,
Paladin.
Dental Dique in Puerto Madero. Google it. Superb professional good looking female dentist in the best neighborhood in town. Not to mention a really nice office in a posh building. Can't go wrong. As long as counting pennies isn't your m.o.
Thanks for the feedback. Will post my experiences with the dentists.
Are the fees for services substantially lower in BA than in the United States? I'm going to be in Argentina for a month, so I would have time to get some dental work done along with the more interesting things I have planned. Thanks in advance!
Are the fees for services substantially lower in BA than in the United States? I'm going to be in Argentina for a month, so I would have time to get some dental work done along with the more interesting things I have planned. Thanks in advance!Like most things here there are good dentists at good prices and then there are dentists (good and bad) that charge more then in N.Y. Or London. Check through these posts or ask one of the members.
Gentlemen: Went for a check-up and cleaning at Dental DAS Group which is located at Lapirda 1621, piso 2B , the cross street is Beruti and it is near the German Hospital. The facility is state of the art with new dental equipment and digital dental X-Rays. Most of the staff speaks English. The prices are quoted in dollars online but you can pay in pesos. I misunderstood the pricing during my telephone conversation scheduling my appointment. I thought they only accepted dollars and I foolishly paid by credit card which was unnecessary. Regardless the visit cost less than just a cleaning in San Francisco.
Cost: Examination 350 Ar.
Panoramic X-Rays 350 Ar.
Cleaning 770 Ar.
The Cleaning was done by a cute little female dentist and the exam was done by the head of the clinic. The dentist who appeared to be the boss spoke superb English and I believe he was US trained by his mannerisms. The clinic is completely digital and staff communicate with each other with walkie talkies, so there is no wasted time with the staff waiting around for instructions. If the dentist wanted something she merely used her voice pager and someone brought what she wanted.
The facility is so nice and efficient that I am going to have all my dental maintenance work done there and have my cleaning done every 60-75 days instead of the usual 90. I need to avoid any peridontal problems.
BTW: the clinic lists its pricing online. There were no changes at the office.
Paladin.
WorldTravel69
03-31-15, 14:29
I live in the S.F. Bay Area, so my costs for what you had done would have cost me $255 without insurance.
I had a filling done yesterday, it would have cost me $180 without insurance.
It is too bad you did not pay in pesos, you would have save lots more.
When I was there my bridge fell out, they glued it back in for $150. At home they would have charged me for a new one. Most likely a few thousand dollars.
Gentlemen: Went for a check-up and cleaning at Dental DAS Group which is located at Lapirda 1621, piso 2B , the cross street is Beruti and it is near the German Hospital. The facility is state of the art with new dental equipment and digital dental X-Rays. Most of the staff speaks English. The prices are quoted in dollars online but you can pay in pesos. I misunderstood the pricing during my telephone conversation scheduling my appointment. I thought they only accepted dollars and I foolishly paid by credit card which was unnecessary. Regardless the visit cost less than just a cleaning in San Francisco.
Cost: Examination 350 Ar.
Panoramic X-Rays 350 Ar.
Cleaning 770 Ar.
The Cleaning was done by a cute little female dentist and the exam was done by the head of the clinic. The dentist who appeared to be the boss spoke superb English and I believe he was US trained by his mannerisms. The clinic is completely digital and staff communicate with each other with walkie talkies, so there is no wasted time with the staff waiting around for instructions. If the dentist wanted something she merely used her voice pager and someone brought what she wanted.
The facility is so nice and efficient that I am going to have all my dental maintenance work done there and have my cleaning done every 60-75 days instead of the usual 90. I need to avoid any peridontal problems.
BTW: the clinic lists its pricing online. There were no changes at the office.
Paladin.
Has anyone had dental implants done in Bs. As.? I've been in contact with Dental DAS and their prices seem very good.
I had one done and was satisfied with the work and quality, although I don't remember the exact cost. I think it was $550 US given the rate at the time but would not swear to it.
The dentist's office was right by the Aristóbulo del Valle train station, on the same side Avenida Maipú, facing the ring road. I think it was on the street called Aristóbulo del Valle but it might be one block farther away. You will find cheaper prices if you go outside the city limits. Another dentist I can recommend is named Torchio or Torrchio and his office is in Martínez barrio, I believe. He may have more than one office. His son is also a dentist.
Thomaso276
04-08-16, 10:44
I have used Torchio. I think he is still working. Did 5-6 implants for my wife. About 8 years ago. Very good work.
Torchio Miguel A.
A Del Valle 134 , Martínez - Buenos Aires (CP:1640).
(11) 4793 - 3381.
If you need eyeglasses, I recommend "Ópticas Hugo." Talcahuano 26. Hugo is uruguayo and is very funny. Has seven daughters and two work there and are cute, although they have "expanded" a bit over the years.
When I was there last year, I hadn't seen him in five years. I walked in the door, he looked at me, and said my last name. I complimented him. He pointed to his bald head and said, 'El lobo pierde el pelo pero nunca las mañas.'.
Doesn't really translate well but for those who speak castellano, pretty droll.
Can anybody recommend good psychologist that speaks English?
Thanks.
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