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OBAMA SAYS TAKE 'DAY OFF' WORK FOR ELECTION.
This fuckin idiot Obama sounds more and more like Peron.
Whenever Peron was in trouble he urged his supporters to hit the streets I. E. Demonstrate.
Take a day off for the election.
This fuckin idiot Obama is really starting to piss me off
Mississippi's voter rolls stuffed with dead and absent registrants.
That fuckin idiot Obama is REALLY starting to piss me off
Mississippi's voter rolls stuffed with dead and absent registrants.
That fuckin idiot Obama is REALLY starting to piss me offI've been thinking this for awhile, but might as well say it today. Is El Alamo working up a comedy routine? I could see where he would be a big hit at a nursing home full of demented racists who would laugh til they puked, when they weren't shitting themselves. Funny stuff!
DOGGYBOY.
I am glad you see the humor in this.
That fuckin idiot Obama really is pissing me off, but I know it really doesn't make any difference.
We are going to be stuck with whoever we are going to be stuck with as President. Right now, it looks like Obama.
WorldTravel69
10-28-08, 19:43
I love it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh9BmNuqeiQ
Daddy Rulz
10-28-08, 19:47
It's time to Balkanize and here are my reasons.
Dear Red States:
We've decided we're leaving. We intend to form our own country, and we're taking the other Blue States with us. In case you aren't aware, that includes California, Hawaii, Oregon, Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois and all the Northeast. It may even include Florida and Ohio, they are seriously considering it. We've given them until Nov. 4th to decide. We believe this split will be beneficial to the nation, and especially to the people of the new country. Since we're dropping the middle states we're calling it United America, or simply the U. A.
To sum up briefly: You get Texas, Oklahoma and all the slave states. We get stem cell research and the best beaches. We get the Statue of Liberty.
You get Dollywood. You can take Ted Nugent. We're keeping Bruce Springsteen and Billy Joel. You get WorldCom. We get Intel and Microsoft. You get Ole' Miss. We get Harvard and 85 percent of America 's venture capital and entrepreneurs. You get Alabama. We get two-thirds of the tax revenue, you get to make the red states pay their fair share.
Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower than the Christian Coalition's, we get a bunch of happy families. You get a bunch of single moms, and the highest concentration of pregnant unwed teenagers. Please be aware that the U. A. Will be pro-choice and anti-war, and we're going to want all our citizens back from Iraq at once. If you need people to fight, ask your evangelicals. They have kids they're apparently willing to send to their deaths for no purpose, and they don't care if you don't show pictures of their children's caskets coming home. We do wish you success in Iraq, and hope that the WMDs turn up, really we do, but we're not willing to spend our resources in Bush's Quagmire. We'd rather spend it on taking care of sick people, and educating our children.
With the Blue States in hand, we will have firm control of 80 percent of the country's fresh water, more than 90 percent of the pineapple and lettuce, 92 percent of the nation's fresh fruit, 95 percent of America 's quality wines, 90 percent of all cheese, 90 percent of the high tech industry, most of the U. S. Low-sulfur coal, all living redwoods, sequoias and condors, all the Ivy and Seven Sister schools plus Stanford, Cal Tech and MIT. With the Red States, on the other hand, you will have to cope with 88 percent of all obese Americans (and their projected health care costs) 92 percent of all U. S. Mosquitoes, nearly 100 percent of the tornadoes, 90 percent of the hurricanes, 99 percent of all Southern Baptists, virtually 100 percent of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh, Bob Jones University, Clemson and the University of Georgia. We get Hollywood and Yosemite, thank you.
Additionally, 38 percent of those in the Red states believe Jonah was actually swallowed by a whale, 62 percent believe life is sacred unless we're discussing the war, the death penalty or gun laws, 44 percent say that evolution is only a theory, 53 percent that Saddam was involved in 9/11 and 61 percent of you crazy Redies believe you are people with higher morals then we Bluies.
Finally, we're taking the good pot, too. You can have that dirt weed they grow in Mexico.
Peace out,
Blue States.
I think we have a workable solution no?
QuakHunter
10-28-08, 19:55
OBAMA SAYS TAKE 'DAY OFF' WORK FOR ELECTION.
This fuckin idiot Obama sounds more and more like Peron.
Whenever Peron was in trouble he urged his supporters to hit the streets I. E. Demonstrate.
Take a day off for the election.
This fuckin idiot Obama is really starting to piss me offDue to expected heavy volume in voting, there has been a change in voting days and times.
Republican voters will be voting on Tuesday, November 5, 2008.
Democrat voters will be voting Wednesday, November 5, 2008.
This will alleviate any issues with waiting times. Please pass this on.
Though you might want to mention it to Sid.
All this anti-Democrat / Obama / Biden ranting, but no positive reasons to vote FOR McCain.* Looks Below *
Regards,
BM
StrayLight
10-29-08, 00:37
Mississippi's voter rolls stuffed with dead and absent registrants.
That fuckin idiot Obama is REALLY starting to piss me offYou think one of those dead people is going to show up to vote? If you're registered to vote somewhere and you die, chances are you are still on the voter rolls until someone does a validation of some sort.
And if you're registered to vote somewhere, and move somewhere else and register there, guess what? You're registered in two places.
If someone registers as Mickey Mouse, you think someone named Mickey Mouse is actually going to vote?
Get a grip.
OBAMA SAYS TAKE 'DAY OFF' WORK FOR ELECTION.
This fuckin idiot Obama sounds more and more like Peron.
Whenever Peron was in trouble he urged his supporters to hit the streets I. E. Demonstrate.
Take a day off for the election.
This fuckin idiot Obama is really starting to piss me offWasn't it you who posted last week that you hadn't decided who you were going to vote for? Now less than 1 week later he is an asshole, fucking idiot and any other invective you can think of? We all knew you were full of shit when you posted that you hadn't made up your mind.
At least be honest. Take a position / candidate and stay with him. I don't see the purpose of BS'ing everyone that you are open-minded and neutral when it was soooo obvious before you even posted that ridiculous post that you were FOS.
Suerte.
Stowe
Now that it appears that McAngryOldGuy and the 'Princess' are going to lose, and possibly by a wide margin (based on the Electoral College) it is interesting to see the Repubs here displaying sour grapes.
The Repubs only have themselves to blame if / when they get the asses kicked. They were more corrupt than any Dem reign, did more damage to the economy / country than any Dem reign.
Being a Dem I will say something that NO Repub here have the guts to say about THEIR party (they never criticize their leaders-it is like they believe everyone in the Repub party is perfect-God's gift to us all) All politicians are corrupt-it is the degree that differentiates the Dems from the Repubs (I give you Nixon, Bush 2-the 2 most dangerous we have ever had)
Having said that, if the Dems get a supermajority in the Senate they will become arrogant and will lose their majority within 4 years. That is why I hope they do not get the supermajority-that will minimize the risk of them losing the majority. It will also prevent them of submitting stupid extreme legislation.
Suerte.
Stowe
You think one of those dead people is going to show up to vote? If you're registered to vote somewhere and you die, chances are you are still on the voter rolls until someone does a validation of some sort.
And if you're registered to vote somewhere, and move somewhere else and register there, guess what? You're registered in two places.
If someone registers as Mickey Mouse, you think someone named Mickey Mouse is actually going to vote?
Get a grip.Straylight,
Very good observation but you shouldn't respond to his rants as El Alamo just needs to fabricate reasons to justify his borderline hatred. This intensity is interesting since he posted just last week that he had not yet decided who he was going to vote for-as if ANYONE really believed him.
He doesn't realize that, given your explanation, when a Repub dies or moves it works the same way for them, as well. But it is ok when it benefits the Repubs but corruption when it may benefit the Dems.
Suerte.
Stowe
OBAMA SAYS TAKE 'DAY OFF' WORK FOR ELECTION.
This fuckin idiot Obama sounds more and more like Peron.
Whenever Peron was in trouble he urged his supporters to hit the streets I. E. Demonstrate.
Take a day off for the election.
This fuckin idiot Obama is really starting to piss me offI work for a major insurance company whose board of directors is a who's who of the Republican Party. Nevertheless, my company is echoing what Obama is saying. The compay encourages its employees to take time off from work with pay to vote. (I and almost everyone else that I know have already voted absentee, but I might slip out to go to the gym.) If we want to take the entire day off to campaign or to drive voters to the polling locations, we can take personal vacation days or our personal time to do so. There's nothing Peronist, socialist, or communist about this. Employees can use their personal vacation days or personal time any way that they want.
Fox-TV news (Faux-TV news) is waving this "take a day off for the election" as a subversion of democracy and capitalism. This only goes to show how desperate the Palin / McCain supporters are getting. Personally, I think it should be a national holiday regardless of who is running for President.
VOTE OBAMA!
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Thanks,
Jackson
I'm independent and pro-USA. Meaning I don't have any party affiliations or ideology which ties me to the republicans or to the democrates. I favor policies, actions, and candidates which will make our country strong and benefit it's people. I have been following the campaigns very closely listening and reading a lot trying to seperate facts from fiction. Nowhere in my research have I come across anything which leads me to draw the conclusion SIDNEY has below. What am I missing?
As of November 5, 2008, when President Obama is officially elected into office, our company will instill a few new policies which are in keeping with his new, inspiring issues of change and fairness:
1. All salespeople will be pooling their sales and bonuses into a common pool that will be divided equally between all of you. This will serve to give those of you who are underachieving a "fair shake."
2. All low level workers will be pooling their wages, including overtime, into a common pool, dividing it equally amongst yourselves. This will help those who are "too busy for overtime" to reap the rewards from those who have more spare time and can work extra hours.
3. All top management will now be referred to as "the government." We will not participate in this "pooling" experience because the law doesn't apply to us.
4. The "government" will give eloquent speeches to all employees every week, encouraging it's workers to continue to work hard "for the good of all."
5. The employees will be thrilled with these new policies because it's "good to spread the wealth." Those of you who have underachieved will finally get an opportunity; those of you who have worked hard and had success will feel more "patriotic."
6. The last few people who were hired should clean out their desks. Don't feel bad, though, because President Obama will give you free healthcare, free handouts, free oil for heating your home, free foodstamps, and he'll let you stay in your home for as long as you want even if you can't pay your mortgage. If you appeal directly to our Democratic congress, you might even get a free flatscreen TV and a coupon for free haircuts (shouldn't all Americans be entitled to nice looking hair?
If for any reason you are not happy with the new policies, you may want to rethink your vote on November 4th.
StrayLight
10-29-08, 11:08
The Repubs only have themselves to blame if / when they get the asses kicked. They were more corrupt than any Dem reign, did more damage to the economy / country than any Dem reign. While it's true the Pubs have only themselves to blame on any number of levels -- incompetence (Iraq, Katrina) corruption (Abramoff, Stevens) hypocrisy (Craig, Foley) lack of new ideas, etc. -- there is also a little-heralded success story behind the current Dem situation. Namely, Howard Dean.
A couple of years ago there was a little civil war inside the Democratic Party on how to proceed: one faction wanted to focus on the big states and the strong candidates, the other faction (led by Howard Dean) wanted a 50 state strategy. Howard Dean got elected as head of the DNC, and proceeded with the 50 state strategy, and some of the fruits are being seen. John McCain and the RNC are being forced to spend resources in places that Dems had previously stayed away from and left to the Pubs as low-hanging fruit.
The 2006 story:
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/The_vindication_of_Howard_Deans_crazy_1109.html
The 2008 story:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/27/dean-was-right-50-state-s_n_138229.html
StrayLight
10-29-08, 11:16
Now that it appears that McAngryOldGuy and the 'Princess' are going to lose, and possibly by a wide margin (based on the Electoral College) it is interesting to see the Repubs here displaying sour grapes.A lot can happen between now and November 4th. Although there are some significant differences in the 2008 polls and the 2000 and 2004 polls, the fact is that in the two previous elections there were some last-minute surprises. I remember going to bed on election eve 2004 thinking that Kerry had made it.
I'm thinking we're going to wake up on November 5th with a young black guy with a funny name slated to be our next President, and huge Democratic sweeps in the House and Senate. But I can't really let myself believe it until I actually see it.
While it's true the Pubs have only themselves to blame on any number of levels -- incompetence (Iraq, Katrina) corruption (Abramoff, Stevens) hypocrisy (Craig, Foley) lack of new ideas, etc. -- there is also a little-heralded success story behind the current Dem situation. Namely, Howard Dean.
A couple of years ago there was a little civil war inside the Democratic Party on how to proceed: one faction wanted to focus on the big states and the strong candidates, the other faction (led by Howard Dean) wanted a 50 state strategy. Howard Dean got elected as head of the DNC, and proceeded with the 50 state strategy, and some of the fruits are being seen. John McCain and the RNC are being forced to spend resources in places that Dems had previously stayed away from and left to the Pubs as low-hanging fruit.
The 2006 story:
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/The_vindication_of_Howard_Deans_crazy_1109.html
The 2008 story:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/27/dean-was-right-50-state-s_n_138229.htmlGood point Stray. Dean has come a long way and seems to have found the perfect position for his skills. In contrast to his over the top performance of a few years back, he is a major force in the background now.
A lot can happen between now and November 4th. Although there are some significant differences in the 2008 polls and the 2000 and 2004 polls, the fact is that in the two previous elections there were some last-minute surprises. I remember going to bed on election eve 2004 thinking that Kerry had made it.
I'm thinking we're going to wake up on November 5th with a young black guy with a funny name slated to be our next President, and huge Democratic sweeps in the House and Senate. But I can't really let myself believe it until I actually see it.I think McCain is about to get his grandfather clock cleaned. I saw a recent item indicating that some of the Repub party insiders are trying to get him to campaign more in states where the senate races are close, rather than continue his focus on a presidential race that is doomed. The phrase "miracle needed" is on the lips of Republicans that don't want to be quoted for obvious reasons.
StrayLight
10-29-08, 12:04
I think McCain is about to get his grandfather clock cleaned. I saw a recent item indicating that some of the Repub party insiders are trying to get him to campaign more in states where the senate races are close, rather than continue his focus on a presidential race that is doomed. The phrase "miracle needed" is on the lips of republicans that don't want to be quoted for obvious reasons.Dogg,
That was David Frum's opinion piece in the Washington Post earlier this week re: shifting resources to the Senate.
http://www.aei.org/publications/filter.all,pubID.28835/pub_detail.asp
Apparently he is now PNG in the Party for having written it. LOL!
And while I do think, like you, that McCain is going to get his grandfather clock cleaned, I have learned this hard lesson from the past: don't start telling McCain what time it is until that clock of his has stopped running. When I see it on November 5th, I'll believe it.
Having said that, if the Dems get a supermajority in the Senate they will become arrogant and will lose their majority within 4 years. That is why I hope they do not get the supermajority-that will minimize the risk of them losing the majority. It will also prevent them of submitting stupid extreme legislation.Actually, I think that they are likely to get a super majority, but that they will lose it at mid-term elections (unless the right seats aren't up for re-election somehow in 2010; I admit to not having looked that far ahead to see how it could shake out)
I think the thing that worries me most is that even two years is plenty of time to submit and approve some stupid extreme legislation and the Democrats are very likely to do so (not that the Republicans wouldn't as well) Including national subsidized health care which I am very much against (another conversation)
I'm not tied to either party. I'm more libertarian (but not quite all the way there) than either of the two major parties. It would scare the crap out of me if ANY party had a super majority (even the Libertarians, which of course will never happen in our lifetimes)
I also think that because of the fear of super majorities in MOST (or maybe just ENOUGH) voter's minds, even if the Democrats don't do something extreme they will not keep that super majority for 4 years.
Daddy Rulz
10-29-08, 19:58
Actually, I think that they are likely to get a super majority, but that they will lose it at mid-term elections (unless the right seats aren't up for re-election somehow in 2010; I admit to not having looked that far ahead to see how it could shake out)
I think the thing that worries me most is that even two years is plenty of time to submit and approve some stupid extreme legislation and the Democrats are very likely to do so (not that the Republicans wouldn't as well) Including national subsidized health care which I am very much against (another conversation)
I also think that because of the fear of super majorities in MOST (or maybe just ENOUGH) voter's minds, even if the Democrats don't do something extreme they will not keep that super majority for 4 years.And I agree 100%, our country is best governed when there is a better balance of power, and without wackadoodle neo-cons but conservatives and liberals FORCED to work together to get anything done.
I think we will be hearing a lot from the Court if the Dems get a super majority. I'm wondering how the conservatives will spin "activists judges" then.
I'm independent and pro-USA. Meaning I don't have any party affiliations or ideology which ties me to the republicans or to the democrates. I favor policies, actions, and candidates which will make our country strong and benefit it's people. I have been following the campaigns very closely listening and reading a lot trying to seperate facts from fiction. Nowhere in my research have I come across anything which leads me to draw the conclusion SIDNEY has below. What am I missing?Repubs fabric lies to justify their hatred- like referring to Obama as a socialist (which McAngryOldGuy just admitted today to be untrue) as a communist, as a terrorist.
Their entire platform is based on fear, hatred and fabrication of falsehoods. I believe that their basic 'meanness' is a main reason they may lose and lose big this year because those in the middle are tired of that hatred, those attempts to create divisions rather than attempting to unify.
Suerte.
Stowe
Some people think there is something fishy about the polls. Every polling organization wants to be close to the final result. Right now, that looks like Obama is going to win by about 5%. I think you can bank on those numbers.
I don't think there is anything fishy about those numbers. Obama should win. Our economy is a mess and Bush does not have high approvable ratings. Let's give somebody else a chance. It won't be the end of the world - at least I hope not.
If Obama doesn't win I will be astonished (this does not mean I will vote for Obama. I may not vote, I may vote for McCain, or if Rock Harders comes up with some really good reasons, I may vote for Obama
P.S. I have a huge economic stake in an Obama victory. Maybe I should go with my wallet and vote for Obama.
extra P.S. if the polls on Sunday or Monday start saying it is a dead heat then it probably is a dead heat. Every poll wants to be close to the final result
THE BIG PURGE: SKEPTICAL REPORTERS TOSSED OFF OBAMA PLANE.
Everytime you try to warm up to this guy, he does some third world, banana republic, Chavez/Castro bullshit like this.
This lesson is: be prepared to buy Obama's bullshit hook, line, sinker and rowboat or he will be throwing you off the plane.
Erica Jong Tells Italians Obama Loss 'Will Spark the Second American Civil War. Blood Will Run in the Streets'
By Jason Horowitz | October 30, 2008 | Tags: PoliticsBarack ObamaDick CheneyErica JongGeorge W. BushJane FondaKen FollettMichael ChabonNormal MailerPhillip RothTom Wolfe.
Erica Jong, 1976. It seems that the final days of the presidential campaign have made Erica Jong and her friends more than a little anxious.
A few days ago, Jong, the author and self-described feminist, gave an interview to the Italian daily Corriere della Sera, the choicest bits of which were brought to my attention by the reliably sharp-eyed Christian Rocca, the U. S. Correspondent of Il Foglio, who published excerpts on his Camillo blog. Basically, Jong says her fear that Obama might lose the election has developed into an "obsession. A paralyzing terror. An anxious fever that keeps you awake at night." She also says that her friends Jane Fonda and Naomi Wolf are extremely worried that Obama will be sabotaged by Republican dirty tricks, and that if an Obama loss indeed comes to pass, the result will be a second American Civil War.
Here's a translation of Jong's more spirited quotes to the Milan-based Corriere, as selected by Rocca.
"The record shows that voting machines in America are rigged."
"My friends Ken Follett and Susan Cheever are extremely worried. Naomi Wolf calls me every day. Yesterday, Jane Fonda sent me an email to tell me that she cried all night and can't cure her ailing back for all the stress that has reduces her to a bundle of nerves."
"My back is also suffering from spasms, so much so that I had to see an acupuncturist and get prescriptions for Valium."
"After having stolen the last two elections, the Republican Mafia."
"If Obama loses it will spark the second American Civil War. Blood will run in the streets, believe me. And it's not a coincidence that President Bush recalled soldiers from Iraq for Dick Cheney to lead against American citizens in the streets."
"Bush has transformed America into a police state, from torture to the imprisonment of reporters, to the Patriot Act."
She also laments that not all of America's men of letters share her devotion to Obama.
"Tom Wolfe and John Updike are men of the right and Philip Roth is at this point a hermit who leads a monastic life in Connecticut, far from everything and everybody."
Luckily, she said there is her and Michael Chabon, who, she says, have "taken the place of Susan Sontag and Norman Mailer respectively."
They have the same political sensibilities, she said, but a better "sense of humor.I guess I will be forced to vote for Obama in order to prevent these fucking fruitloops and thier equally nutty friend Barbara Streisand from having nervous breakdowns.
Luckily, she said there is her and Michael Chabon, who, she says, have "taken the place of Susan Sontag and Norman Mailer respectively." In her dreams. Self propagandizing horseshit. She and Dickie Morris ought to do a book tour together.
THE BIG PURGE: SKEPTICAL REPORTERS TOSSED OFF OBAMA PLANE.
Everytime you try to warm up to this guy, he does some third world, banana republic, Chavez / Castro bullshit like this.
This lesson is: be prepared to buy Obama's bullshit hook, line, sinker and rowboat or he will be coming after youPerhaps the reporters were "CockSuckers" El Alamo.
Of course then there would be justification for throwing them off his airplane.
Exon
QuakHunter
10-31-08, 16:51
THE BIG PURGE: SKEPTICAL REPORTERS TOSSED OFF OBAMA PLANE.
Everytime you try to warm up to this guy, he does some third world, banana republic, Chavez / Castro bullshit like this.
This lesson is: be prepared to buy Obama's bullshit hook, line, sinker and rowboat or he will be coming after youIs this what is known as IRONY?
With complete respect and sympathy to those who lost family during the totalitarian regime in Argentina 1972 to 1981, I have to point out how the above statement reflects comparisons. Maybe those who put their own interests above others while speaking about populist messages and hand outs need further evaluation.
On Wednesday maybe we can go back to talking about Chicas. Hope and Crosby to all of you.
''What does he stand for? Why is everything secret? Why does the press cover it up?" I'm with Tito!Syd, old sport, just a suggestion but if you removed your head from where it's been lodged for quite some time you'd very likely find the answers to these questions which perplex you so were obvious and well know to anyone not similiarly disposed. Poor Tito.
Daddy Rulz
10-31-08, 20:24
Perhaps the reporters were "CockSuckers" El Alamo.
Of course then there would be justification for throwing them off his airplane.
ExonThey were removed due to space restrictions to allow other reporters on. I guess McPain wouldn't choose reporters who reported favorably over reporters that did otherwise.
The garbage you guys come up with to try and discredit him only reinforces the fact that he's the best choice.
Muslin, terrorist, socialist, and now he censors the press? Keep trying.
For all of you who have derided and otherwise discounted FOX News as having some perversely conservative bias, I submit the results of the PEW's Research Center's Project for Excellence in Journalism statistical analysis of the 2008 campaign coverage:
How the Press Reported the 2008 General Election.
http://journalism.org/node/13436
How Different Media Have Covered the General Election
http://journalism.org/node/13307
Of course, I'm sure that someone here will find a website that "proves" that the PEW Research Center is secretly controlled by the neo-cons, but I don't care.
Thanks,
Jackson
Daddy Rulz
10-31-08, 21:32
For all of you who have derided and otherwise discounted FOX News as having some perversely conservative bias, I submit the results of the PEW's Research Center's Project for Excellence in Journalism statistical analysis of the 2008 campaign coverage:
How the Press Reported the 2008 General Election.
http://journalism.org/node/13436
How Different Media Have Covered the General Election
http://journalism.org/node/13307
Of course, I'm sure that someone here will find a website that "proves" that the PEW Research Center is secretly controlled by the neo-cons, but I don't care.
Thanks,
JacksonWiki says they are on the up and up. I have to admit to being surprised. I watch Fox from time to time and just can't say that my experience matches their results. I wonder if they (Fox) get one of those speed talkers to say a whole bunch of nice things about Obama between 0300 and 0302 or something.
(for those of you humorly challenged, that was a joke)
Here is my question.
Quoting from the same article.
"On the evening newscasts of the three traditional networks, in contrast, there is no such ideological split. Indeed, on the nightly newscasts of ABC, CBS and NBC, coverage tends to be more neutral and generally less negative than elsewhere."
Can we once and for all, forever and ever, stop seeing the phrase "liberal bias in the media" now? Because now declared in an article sited by "El Jeffe" himself we see there isn't. Jax perhaps you can set up a script or something that replaces "liberal bias in the media" with oh I don't know, maybe "idiotic piece of bullshit."
Daddy Rulz
10-31-08, 23:06
Because of the terrible defeat coming on Wednesday, Sarah has been practicing for her new job at Cattos. I think she's hot!
For all of you who have derided and otherwise discounted FOX News as having some perversely conservative bias, I submit the results of the PEW's Research Center's Project for Excellence in Journalism statistical analysis of the 2008 campaign coverage:
How the Press Reported the 2008 General Election.
http://journalism.org/node/13436
How Different Media Have Covered the General Election
http://journalism.org/node/13307
Of course, I'm sure that someone here will find a website that "proves" that the PEW Research Center is secretly controlled by the neo-cons, but I don't care.
Thanks,
JacksonThis post definitely falls under the "Who you gonna believe me or your lying eyes?" category. Or as Dickie Smothers said "The Truth is whatever you can get somebody else to believe."
Have not had a chance to read the links and looking forward. Let's see what's not being said here. Of course it is a limited category, the General Election, and says nothing about the past 8 years of Faux News. An unprovoked invasion of another country and trumpeting numerous associated lies comes to mind for starters.
This post definitely falls under the "Who you gonna believe me or your lying eyes?" category. Or as Dickie Smothers said "The Truth is whatever you can get somebody else to believe."
Have not had a chance to read the links and looking forward. Let's see what's not being said here. Of course it is a limited category, the General Election, and says nothing about the past 8 years of Faux News. An unprovoked invasion of another country and trumpeting numerous associated lies comes to mind for starters.I'm completely surprised at your assessment.
I never would have guessed that you would have had this opinion.
Thanks,
Jackson
BTW: "Faux News"? Is that more of the famous liberal name-calling?
Daddy Rulz
11-01-08, 14:12
BTW: "Faux News"? Is that more of the famous liberal name-calling?Jihadist, Terrorist, Socialist, Muslim, Messiah oh wait that is conservative name calling.
Joe, erstwhile non plumber, "earnest" confronter of Obama, Republican salt of the earth heartthrob, now is a singer. Will some really tall animal please hunker down and take a shit on this moron? Pretty please.
After November 4, maybe McCain and Palin will join up with Joe and tour the heartland with songs of the great Depression and homespun tales of conservative woe.
http://www.prefixmag.com/news/joe-the-plumber-to-become-joe-the-talent-less-coun/22692/
"On the evening newscasts of the three traditional networks, in contrast, there is no such ideological split. Indeed, on the nightly newscasts of ABC, CBS and NBC, coverage tends to be more neutral and generally less negative than elsewhere."
Can we once and for all, forever and ever, stop seeing the phrase "liberal bias in the media" now? Because now declared in an article sited by "El Jeffe" himself we see there isn't. Jax perhaps you can set up a script or something that replaces "liberal bias in the media" with oh I don't know, maybe "idiotic piece of bullshit."I agree, the nightly newscasts aren't particularly biased. But how about Red Bob Scheiffer on CBS's Face the Nation? Or This Week with George Stephanopolous on ABC, where you've got two professional Democrat political operatives or ex-operatives (Donna Brazile and Stephanopolous) on every show? NBC does the same with Paul Krugman -- they pass him off as in impartial economist when really he's as partisan as they get.
Jackson's graph, from an unbiased source, speaks for itself. I just finished listening to about an hour of Fox and they were giving a lot more airtime to Obama suporters than to McCain's. Maybe it's because Rupert Murdoch (owner of Fox) sees the writing on the wall, and he doesn't want the Democrat Congress and president putting him out of business. But the Pew study shows Fox has indeed been fair and balanced while MSNBC has been slamming McCain.
Besides, have a little pity on the rest of us who don't get a chance to make it by Catto's. You want us to have to stare at Joe Biden every other day on the news for the next 4 years?
Besides, have a little pity on the rest of us who don't get a chance to make it by Catto's. You want us to have to stare at Joe Biden every other day on the news for the next 4 years?Now that's funny, and you do have my sympathy. And, at his age I don't think Joe is gonna get any better looking any time soon.
On the other hand, if he makes himself as scarce as Cheney, you may have nothing to worry about.:)
WorldTravel69
11-01-08, 19:23
Members of the Government should wear uniforms like NASCAR drivers, so we could identify their corporate sponsors.
Daddy Rulz
11-02-08, 11:03
She didn't know the name of the President of France, or Prime Minister of Canada.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbEwKcs-7Hc
God I hope McCain doesn't die if they win. You Repubs should form a new party that throws widows and children out into the street. The one you have is punking you worse than Sarah just got punked.
She didn't know the name of the President of France, or Prime Minister of Canada.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbEwKcs-7Hc
God I hope McCain doesn't die if they win. You Repubs should form a new party that throws widows and children out into the street. The one you have is punking you worse than Sarah just got punked.The bottom line: After all the smoke clears, Palin still has more executive / managerial experience than Obama, who has ZERO experience running anything, and who has NEVER once done anything that his party didn't first authorize.
I'll take an experienced and proven maverick over an inexperienced, kow-towing neophyte any day.
Thanks,
Jackson
Daddy Rulz
11-02-08, 12:03
The bottom line: After all the smoke clears, Palin still has more executive / managerial experience than Obama, who has ZERO experience running anything, and who has NEVER once done anything that his party didn't first authorize.
I'll take an experienced and proven maverick over an inexperienced, kow-towing neophyte any day.
Thanks,
JacksonSo I won't mention that I know restaurant managers that manage more people than live in Wasilla (ok that's a joke but for fucks sake brother 5000 people?
Gov of Alaska (less people than the student body of The University of Texas, who suffered a heartbreaker of a loss yesterday sob) for less than two years.
She's an embarrassment to your party brother, you won't admit it but you know it. Normally I wouldn't care about a VP so much, I've said all along I could live with McAngryOldGuy (though I liked McCain.2000 much better than the.2008 upgrade) it's just that he is old and we would have a 33% chance of her becoming President. I'm sorry Jax, that's intolerable.
Perhaps Obama stayed on the party line because they were in opposition to Shrub? You guys were wrong in 2000, you were wrong again in 2004 and if McPain is successful and McAngryOldGuy becomes McNotSoAngryBecauseHeIsDeadGuy I will sit on the patio of whatever restaurant Exedra has become and laugh my ass off at you guys for electing her.
She didn't know the name of the President of France. Get it Jax, McCain is 72 years old, we are less than a week from the election and she didn't know the name of either the President of France or The PM of Canada.
Everyone of you Repubs that posts on this board are smart, well educated guys, how can you disdain education in one candidate and put this MILF in the office next to the oval? I can understand people like my dad doing it. I honestly can, he's uneducated and country and thinks that if Obama gets elected they will have to let fags marry in his church, but you guys are smart. I just don't get it.
Though in all honesty, ever since that disgusting pervert Stowe posted about having a Democratic White House with a Democratic super majority in both houses I can't stop thinking about how fucked up that imbalance of power would be. I don't care which party has it, that much power is too much IMHO. Part of me is kinda hoping McPain wins and McAngryOldGuy becomes McAngryOlderGuy for at least 4 years.
Everyone of you Repubs that posts on this board are smart, well educated guys, how can you disdain education in one candidate and put this MILF in the office next to the oval? I can understand people like my dad doing it. I honestly can, he's uneducated and country and thinks that if Obama gets elected they will have to let fags marry in his church, but you guys are smart. I just don't get it.Because the alternative is so much worse.
Daddy Rulz
11-02-08, 12:51
Because the alternative is so much worse.So much worse? Really?
Columbia Univ. (undergrad PoliSci and International Relations) Harvard Law (President of the Law Review) three terms in the Senate, Professor of Constitutional law (The Presidents oath is to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution) and job experience defending civil rights (my rights, your rights, and yes black welfare mothers with 14 illegitimate kids who are working the system to our detriment rights) Community activist, former weed smoker (come on maybe NORML will have a chance if he gets in) Dedicated family man, the only time he has lost his temper in public is when the press wouldn't leave his kids alone to go to a Halloween party.
And all that is so much worse than, to quote Rock Harder.
"a women who took the ten year five transfer plan from various Buttwipe State Universities and a women who has experience only as the governor of a state about as corrupt as several Argentine provinces (see her own actions, along with those of her mentor Ted Stevens, just today CONVICTED of 7 FELONY counts) We are talking about a women here who is married to a high school dropout who races snowmobiles for a living; this man pulls her strings with regularity. She is also a right wing religious fanatic of the worst ilk. How could anyone elect a ticket that would put her one step away from controlling the most powerful and influential ship on state on the planet today?"
Again while I'm not voting for McAngryOldGuy I could live with him and due to the idea of concentrating so much power in one basket would grudgingly admit that it might be better for the country over the long haul to split that power up and have some opposition among the three branches. Brother think, don't react, think! Sarah Palin one heartbeat away from running this country for four years.
So much worse? Really?
Columbia Univ. (undergrad PoliSci and International Relations) Harvard Law (President of the Law Review) three terms in the Senate, Professor of Constitutional law (The Presidents oath is to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution) and job experience defending civil rights (my rights, your rights, and yes black welfare mothers with 14 illegitimate kids who are working the system to our detriment rights) Community activist, former weed smoker (come on maybe NORML will have a chance if he gets in) Dedicated family man, the only time he has lost his temper in public is when the press wouldn't leave his kids alone to go to a Halloween party.
And all that is so much worse than, to quote Rock Harder.
"a women who took the ten year five transfer plan from various Buttwipe State Universities and a women who has experience only as the governor of a state about as corrupt as several Argentine provinces (see her own actions, along with those of her mentor Ted Stevens, just today CONVICTED of 7 FELONY counts) We are talking about a women here who is married to a high school dropout who races snowmobiles for a living; this man pulls her strings with regularity. She is also a right wing religious fanatic of the worst ilk. How could anyone elect a ticket that would put her one step away from controlling the most powerful and influential ship on state on the planet today?"
Again while I'm not voting for McAngryOldGuy I could live with him and due to the idea of concentrating so much power in one basket would grudgingly admit that it might be better for the country over the long haul to split that power up and have some opposition among the three branches. Brother think, don't react, think! Sarah Palin one heartbeat away from running this country for four years.First, in my experience, the "A" students usually end up working for the "C" students.
Second, Palin has political "balls", and Obama doesn't.
Third, you're still comparing the top of the Dem's ticket with the bottom of the Republication's ticket.
How about comparing Obama's resume to McCain's resume?
Thanks,
Jackson
That my friend is the crux of it all.
You have senior officers in our military scratching their heads a the Palin pick. Yet every Repub that wants to remain in power seems to give her a pass. Btw, I am not a Democrat nor a Republican. And if McCain would have picked Romney or Huckabee, I might have actually voted for him.
Regards,
BM
So much worse? Really?
Columbia Univ. (undergrad PoliSci and International Relations) Harvard Law (President of the Law Review) three terms in the Senate, Professor of Constitutional law (The Presidents oath is to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution) and job experience defending civil rights (my rights, your rights, and yes black welfare mothers with 14 illegitimate kids who are working the system to our detriment rights) Community activist, former weed smoker (come on maybe NORML will have a chance if he gets in) Dedicated family man, the only time he has lost his temper in public is when the press wouldn't leave his kids alone to go to a Halloween party.And that's the problem. He's never done anything except debate. He's a member of the arrogant, leftist, elititist establishment. This is irrelevant since it's McCain that's running for president, but Palin could be the best pick of the group. She's successfully run a state, as evidenced by her extremely high approval ratings among Alaskans. She has basic economic sense. She realizes that it doesn't make sense to tax the top 5% at higher rates, if it means they'll pay a lower percentage of the income tax. I'd take Ronald Reagan (former governor) over Richard Nixon or George Bush Sr. (professional politicians with no executive experience) any day. Or for that matter, Bill Clinton over Al Gore or John Kerry.
I had an Ivy-league educated Marxist government professor. He was a smart guy. I would never vote for him for president. Same for Obama.
I agree with your thoughts about the benefits of split government. If the Democrats had controlled the house after the 2002 election, the Republicans might not have gotten away with so much wasteful spending.
I'm referring to one of your past posts! Will you ''dive'' solo? Or will other Eastern Elitists accompany you? Even if O is elected, you eventually will be so disappointed! You are just postponing the inevitable!Hah hah, Syd old sport, Obama may be measuring the drapes but there's a lot of your crowd measuring the rope. Why wait? Set an example. You know the Repubs have a herd mentality and run to the smell of fear in their nostrils. There always has to be the first lemming and they'll have a swinging time.
Rock Harders
11-02-08, 18:49
Jackson and all his Rush Limbaugh wannabees-
Face it, there is going to be a black man with a Harvard mouth in the White House, and there is nothing you can do about it. Obama is going to put all the neocon scum to sleep for the next eight years while he changes the way the USA conducts itself both at home and on the international stage. By the end of his first term Obama will have re-established diplomatic relations with Cuba, Iran and North Korea, Havana will be well on its way to being Disneyland, and the neocon vomit fest that was 2001-2008 will be swept under rug forever as people remember why they rejected it in the first place in the early 90's.
Suerte,
Rock Harders
With the election only a couple of days away, I better decide who to support with my vote. I have been a fan of McCain for the past 10 years. I greatly admire his service and sacrifice for the country as a veteran. I liked that he was a voice for the moderately conservative and showed an independent spirit in the Senate. I supported him in both the 2000 and 2008 primaries. Until a few months ago, I was certain in my support for him in the general elections.
My confidence in McCain was initially shaken by his choice of Palin as Vice President. Irrespective of Sarah Palin's positive qualities, she is not qualified to be the President of our country in an unfortunate event. Her subsequent performance since her selection has shown to be the case. With a large pool of highly qualified candidates available to McCain, his choice of Palin put doubts for me in his slogan of 'Country First'. It appears it was McCain first with win at all costs attitude. Besides his motitation, it brought his judgement in question for the first time in 10 years.
My confidence in McCain further eroded when he decided to suspend the campaign in light of the economic crisis and without making any positive contribution to the solution was back on the campaign trail in two days. It demonstrated unstability in his behavior unsuitable for a President.
Being not sure in my support for McCain, I have been watching the McCain / Palin campaign very closely for the past few weeks. What I have observed is a focus on negative and divisive rhetoric on their part. Frankly, I was offended by their assertions that some parts of the US are unamerican, and that certain groups of citizens are unpatriotic.
Thus, under these circumstances I can't in good consciousness vote for McCain because I have come to believe that the current McCain is not the right person to lead our great nation.
Do I abstain or vote for Obama has yet to be decided.
Gipse,
For crying out loud, vote for Obama.
For me, in a head to head match up between Palin and Obama, I would vote for Palin any day of the week.
That doesn't mean that Obama is a bad choice. It just means that I have a hell of a lot more confidence in Palin than I have in Obama
Daddy Rulz
11-02-08, 22:41
First, in my experience, the "A" students usually end up working for the "C" students.Beyond ridiculous.
Second, Palin has political "balls", and Obama doesn't.With the exception of her interview with Katie, Palin has been hidden from the press, what balls? I didn't want the bridge, oh yes I did, but not really. I'm for gay marriage except when I'm not.
Third, you're still comparing the top of the Dem's ticket with the bottom of the Republication's ticket.I know, to quote myself.
"Again while I'm not voting for McAngryOldGuy I could live with him and due to the idea of concentrating so much power in one basket would grudgingly admit that it might be better for the country over the long haul to split that power up and have some opposition among the three branches. Brother think, don't react, think! Sarah Palin one heartbeat away from running this country for four years."
How about comparing Obama's resume to McCain's resume?I have no real problem with McCain except how he started pandering to the religious wacko's of your party around 04 to get this nomination. If he wins I think he will put them back in the closet. I do like the direct factual answers Obama gave in the debates, McCain was vague "My friends I can fix the economy, my friends I can get Bin Ladin, my friends I can solve the deficit" without ever really saying how. I've said for years, as recently as the post you quoted that I honestly can't say he scares me, and I think he would do an OK job.
But if he gets elected and dies (1 in 3 men 72 years of age will be dead by 76) then the bad disney movie plot becomes a reality. The hockey mom, who doesn't know the name of the President of France (a historic ally) becomes President of this country. She said that "they (her and McAngryOldGuy) would work to expand the powers of the VP's office." I wonder if she knows that the powers of the VP are defined in the Constitution? I wonder if she knows we have a Constitution? I wonder if she knows The House makes the budget and The Senate does treaties? McCain could die and she would be President, do you get that? A religious whack job that said "God is doing something with Alaska" right after her preacher was talking about how God is readying Alaska for the post Armageddon world would be President if the old guy croaks. But, you know, she has "balls" so I guess it's ok. Jax I know you, you're not this dumb, you have to be as frightened about this as I am.
Just to show you that I can cross the aisle, the person I wish I could be voting for this election is a Pub, Colin Powell. Now that is who I wish I could be voting for.
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A HIDEOUS new affliction is creeping through the ranks of America's creative community.
The further Barack Obama edges ahead of John McCain in the million and one polls that are coming out the more pernicious the nagging fear becomes.
What if he loses?
Barely a left-wing pundit, barely an Oscar-nominated softie can sleep a wink these days for fear of the race riots and international humiliation that will ensue should "The One" be defeated on Tuesday.
They think he's going to win, of course, but their hearts still bear the scars of 2000 and 2004.
The comedian Chris Rock is at least capable of joking about it. "If Obama loses?" he replied to a question from talk show host Bill Maher. "Well, that Wednesday after election day, anybody. Any activity in your life that involves black people, it's not going to get done. If you're at the airport? No one's going to get your bags."
But for others, the dread is nameless and paralysing. Erica Jong, author of the 1970s feminist bible Fear of Flying, has developed a new complex in recent weeks - the fear of an Obama flogging.
"If Obama loses it will spark the second American Civil War. Blood will run in the streets, believe me," she told the Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera last week. "My back is also suffering from spasms, so much so that I had to see an acupuncturist and get prescriptions for Valium.
"Yesterday, Jane Fonda sent me an email to tell me that she cried all night and can't cure her ailing back for all the stress that has reduced her to a bundle of nerves."
The American shock-jock Rush Limbaugh, on hearing this last detail, had a direct, if crude, response. "Maybe you should try getting off your back, Jane!" he roared. (The two are not friends. Hollywood in general is on red anxiety alert for an Obama loss.
Crack teams of chiropractors are at the ready, and Nissen huts full of qualified shrinks and aromatherapists line Rodeo Drive to soothe the tortured brigades of the psychologically wounded should "The One" be robbed of victory.
Actress Susan Sarandon has already issued a veiled threat to the public.
"It's a critical time, but I have faith in the American people," she told Britain's Telegraph newspaper with a touch of implied menace in June this year. "If they prove me wrong, I'll be checking out a move to Italy. Maybe Canada, I don't know. We're at an abyss."
Sarandon's words qualify her for membership of a small but committed group of Potential Canadians (PCs) in American artistic and creative circles.
Barbra Streisand vowed to emigrate to Canada in 2000 if George Bush were ever elected President, an undertaking she refreshed four years later at the prospect of his re-election.
But she was still sufficiently resident in California on September 16 this year to host a $US2500 ($3800) a head fund-raiser for Obama at the Beverly Wilshire Hotel.
The actor Alec Baldwin and Pearl Jam's Eddie Vedder made similar threats in 2000, as did Robert Redford in 2004, but none has since enriched the Canadian cultural scene.
In fact, Canadian immigration records show that arrivals from the United States actually slowed in the six months after George Bush's re-election in 2004.
I am not sure who will prove to be best for our country for the next 4 years, but I would vote for McCain if I was sure these fucking fruitloops would leave the country
Daddy Rulz
11-02-08, 23:05
Badonk a donk.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzyT9-9lUyE
StrayLight
11-03-08, 03:11
Because the alternative is so much worse.Better get used to it. LOL!
StrayLight
11-03-08, 03:22
How about comparing Obama's resume to McCain's resume?Maybe resumes and experience aren't the germane qualities. Ken Adelman, a lifelong Republican who campaigned for Goldwater, was hired by Donald Rumsfeld at the Office of Economic Opportunity under Nixon, was assistant to Defense Secretary Rumsfeld under Ford, served as Reagan's director of arms control, and joined the Defense Policy Board for Rumsfeld's second go-round at the Pentagon, in 2001, is voting for Obama this year. Here are his thoughts:
"Why so, since my views align a lot more with McCain's than with Obama's? And since I truly dread the notion of a Democratic president, Democratic House, and hugely Democratic Senate?"
"Primarily for two reasons, those of temperament and of judgment."
"When the economic crisis broke, I found John McCain bouncing all over the place. In those first few crisis days, he was impetuous, inconsistent, and imprudent; ending up just plain weird. Having worked with Ronald Reagan for seven years, and been with him in his critical three summits with Gorbachev, I've concluded that that's no way a president can act under pressure."
"Second is judgment. The most important decision John McCain made in his long campaign was deciding on a running mate."
"That decision showed appalling lack of judgment. Not only is Sarah Palin not close to being acceptable in high office—I would not have hired her for even a mid-level post in the arms-control agency. But that selection contradicted McCain's main two, and best two, themes for his campaign—Country First, and experience counts. Neither can he credibly claim, post-Palin pick."
Temperament and judgment.
Here's the original article:
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/georgepacker/2008/10/not-quite-colin.html
And a follow up:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ken-adelman/why-a-staunch-conservativ_b_137749.html
Gipse.
For crying out loud, vote for Obama.
For me, in a head to head match up between Palin and Obama, I would vote for Palin any day of the week.
That doesn't mean that Obama is a bad choice. It just means that I have a hell of a lot more confidence in Palin than I have in ObamaI'm sure the passengers of the Hindenburg and the Titanic spoke with as much clarity and confidence. One has to wonder "confidence in Palin" to do what? Maybe a move to live in Alaska is in order where you can live out your beliefs in a secession oriented culture and you can support her living at her home, pay for her children's transportation around the state, help with the yard sale of those Neiman Marxist clothes, gander at Russia across the straits, keep the non-white races in their places, make strategic planning for the neo-con counter movement, plunder the environment. The list of possibilities is really remarkable once you get started thinking about it.
Well said!
Maybe resumes and experience aren't the germane qualities. Ken Adelman, a lifelong Republican who campaigned for Goldwater, was hired by Donald Rumsfeld at the Office of Economic Opportunity under Nixon, was assistant to Defense Secretary Rumsfeld under Ford, served as Reagan's director of arms control, and joined the Defense Policy Board for Rumsfeld's second go-round at the Pentagon, in 2001, is voting for Obama this year. Here are his thoughts:
"Why so, since my views align a lot more with McCain's than with Obama's? And since I truly dread the notion of a Democratic president, Democratic House, and hugely Democratic Senate?"
"Primarily for two reasons, those of temperament and of judgment."
"When the economic crisis broke, I found John McCain bouncing all over the place. In those first few crisis days, he was impetuous, inconsistent, and imprudent; ending up just plain weird. Having worked with Ronald Reagan for seven years, and been with him in his critical three summits with Gorbachev, I've concluded that that's no way a president can act under pressure."
"Second is judgment. The most important decision John McCain made in his long campaign was deciding on a running mate."
"That decision showed appalling lack of judgment. Not only is Sarah Palin not close to being acceptable in high office—I would not have hired her for even a mid-level post in the arms-control agency. But that selection contradicted McCain's main two, and best two, themes for his campaign—Country First, and experience counts. Neither can he credibly claim, post-Palin pick."
Temperament and judgment.
Here's the original article:
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/georgepacker/2008/10/not-quite-colin.html
And a follow up:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ken-adelman/why-a-staunch-conservativ_b_137749.html
StrayLight
11-03-08, 12:02
I'm not going to make any predictions, because anything can happen between now and Wednesday morning.
However, with ads like this:
http://www.englandforobama.com/barack-obama-yes-do-some-community-organising
and endorsements like this:
http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2008/10/13/081013taco_talk_editors?foo=bar
and the electoral polls looking like this:
http://www.electoral-vote.com
I'm kind of thinking that our next President is going to be a skinny half-black guy with a funny name. LOL! (And perhaps our long national nightmare will finally be over.
P. S. Why don't Republicans believe in evolution?
Because they started with Abraham Lincoln and ended with George W. Bush.
P. S. Why don't Republicans believe in evolution?
Because they started with Abraham Lincoln and ended with George W. Bush.Belly laugh on that one!:)
He must of had a lightening bolt premonition of things to come.
He must of had a lightening bolt premonition of things to come.Two major belly laughs in one day! I hope to have even a bigger one tomorrow night.;)
QuakHunter
11-03-08, 14:52
Chavez gave an indication yesterday that he would do us a favor talk to Obama.
The Iranians are commemorating the 1979 seizure of our embassy.
I will sleep so much better at night knowing that they might like us.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081103/ts_nm/us_iran_usa_1
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081103/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_venezuela_us_obama_2
Too bad Saddam is dead.
Rock Harders
11-03-08, 17:01
Sidney,
I am now completely convinced that the accumulation of all the years and all the smelly dominican pussy has totally fried your brain. You are obsessed with Obama to the point of ridiculousness. This guy IS going to be your President and will lead the USA back from the edge of the cliff it now faces. You should stand up on Jackson's shoulders and kiss Obama's black ass to thank him for all the good things he is going to do for the USA.
Suerte,
Rock Harders
Rock,
The dream ticket just may be Rock Harders for President and Barak Obama / Hillary Clinton (take your choice) for the Vice Presidency. That I could vote for.
In my opinion - an unbeatable combination.
Maybe in 2012 when your opponents might be Jackson and his evil sidekick Sidney
P. S. The National Enquirer / DrudgeReport will never learn about your adventures in Buenos Aires (not from me, at least)
A day away from the election I have finally decided to cast my vote for Obama. I am cautiously optimistic that he will be a transformational President who will not only unite this country but also the international community.
Socialist and liberal policies scare me: After listening to Obama's speeches, reading about his policy proposals, and hearing about his priorities for the country I am convinced that these labels don't fit him. As a President, I believe Obama will be a little left of center as McCain will be a little right of center.
Spreading the wealth: The current tax code with it's higher tax rate for higher incomes is already a form of spreading the wealth. Obama's stated plan only increases the tax rate for the highest income bracket and doesn't change the fundamental tax structure. I don't like it but I can live with it for a while if it eventually results in reducing the national debt. If he was not good for the economy, why would the Newyorker and the Economist support Obama.
National Security: Any concerns I had about Obama were allevialed with the endorsement of Colin Powell. Obama wants an end to the Iraq war which has nothing to do with National Security. Obama wants more troops in Afghanistan which has everything to do with National Security.
Executive Experience: This is probably my biggest concern but I think Obama will have competent and experienced advisers to guide him. Choice of Biden as a Vice President is a great indication. Obama's temperament and demeanor during the campaign, debates, and the financial crisis were definitely presidential.
A day away from the election I have finally decided to cast my vote for Obama. I am cautiously optimistic that he will be a transformational President who will not only unite this country but also the international community.
Socialist and liberal policies scare me: After listening to Obama's speeches, reading about his policy proposals, and hearing about his priorities for the country I am convinced that these label don't fit him. As a President, I believe Obama will be a little left of center as McCain will be a little right of center.
Spreading the wealth: The current tax code with it's higher tax rate for higher incomes is already a form of spreading the wealth. Obama's stated plan only increases the tax rate for the highest income bracket and doesn't change the fundamental tax structure. I don't like it but I can live with it for a while if it eventually results in reducing the national debt. If he was not good for the economy, why would the Newyorker and the Economist support Obama.
National Security: Any concerns I had about Obama were allevialed with the endorsement of Colin Powell. Obama wants an end to the Iraq war which has nothing to do with National Security. Obama wants more troops in Afghanistan which has everything to do with National Security.
Executive Experience: This is probably my biggest concern but I think Obama will have competent and experienced advisers to guide him. Choice of Biden as a Vice President is a great indication. Obama's temperament and demeanor during the campaign, debates, and the financial crisis were definitely presidential.Gipse,
I would hope that every undecided voter gives as much thought to the election as have you. Your report hits the nail on the proverbial head, particularly disputing all the Marxist / Socialist rubbish that was thrown around following the Joe the non plumber situation. Congratulations on a wise choice.
Dogg
QuakHunter
11-03-08, 18:30
A day away from the election I have finally decided to cast my vote for Obama. I am cautiously optimistic that he will be a transformational President who will not only unite this country but also the international community.
Socialist and liberal policies scare me: After listening to Obama's speeches, reading about his policy proposals, and hearing about his priorities for the country I am convinced that these label don't fit him. As a President, I believe Obama will be a little left of center as McCain will be a little right of center.
Spreading the wealth: The current tax code with it's higher tax rate for higher incomes is already a form of spreading the wealth. Obama's stated plan only increases the tax rate for the highest income bracket and doesn't change the fundamental tax structure. I don't like it but I can live with it for a while if it eventually results in reducing the national debt. If he was not good for the economy, why would the Newyorker and the Economist support Obama.
National Security: Any concerns I had about Obama were allevialed with the endorsement of Colin Powell. Obama wants an end to the Iraq war which has nothing to do with National Security. Obama wants more troops in Afghanistan which has everything to do with National Security.
Executive Experience: This is probably my biggest concern but I think Obama will have competent and experienced advisers to guide him. Choice of Biden as a Vice President is a great indication. Obama's temperament and demeanor during the campaign, debates, and the financial crisis were definitely presidential.Gipse,
I am a conservative who has already voted for McCain because I feel he is the better choice for my country. Period.
What you wrote above is the most concise, well written words I have seen on reasons to vote for Obama (Other than the Joe Biden comment)
In a sick sort of way, I might feel a little better on Wednesday after reading this. But probably not, I still don't believe it's a foregone conclusion.
Well writtenl good job.
Rock Harders
11-03-08, 19:39
Mongers,
You can watch your very own "rock harders" talk about the US election tonight live at 9:30 PM on Argentine Canal 26 on the Chiche Gemblum show. Its channel 26 on regular cable and channel 720 on directv.
Suerte,
Rock Harders
Mongers-
You can watch your very own "rock harders" talk about the US election tonight live at 9:30 PM on Argentine Canal 26 on the Chiche Gemblum show. Its channel 26 on regular cable and channel 720 on directv.
Suerte,
Rock HardersGood deal! See how many times you can use "idiota", "puta" and Palin in the same sentence.
Suerte,
Dogg
Wait
RH was on Argie TV?
Did he have a Palin moment?
Regards,
BM.
Too bad--a biased show for the Obomination!
Mongers,
You can watch your very own "rock harders" talk about the US election tonight live at 9:30 PM on Argentine Canal 26 on the Chiche Gemblum show. Its channel 26 on regular cable and channel 720 on directv.
Suerte,
Rock HardersActually, it was a nicely balanced conversation.
Rock, you and all the other guys who participated all did a great job!
Thanks,
Jackson.
PS: How come nobody wore their "argentinaprivate.com" tee shirts?
Actually, it was a nicely balanced conversation.
Rock, you and all the other guys who participated all did a great job!
Thanks,
Jackson.
PS: How come nobody wore their "argentinaprivate. Com" tee shirts?I agree, though I wouldn't have been offended if somebody had slapped the DJ weirdo. RH can sure speak the lingo.
StrayLight
11-04-08, 12:24
CAPITAL GAINS TAX.
MCCAIN.
0% on home sales up to $500,000 per home (couples) McCain does not propose any change in existing home sales income tax.
OBAMA.
28% on profit from ALL home sales.This is a flat out lie that's been debunked any number of times. You should be ashamed of yourself for passing on this kind of crap without taking the minimum amount of time it takes to do a simple fact check.
When I see someone passing around one of this e-mails, and I see the "28% on profit from all home sales" quote, I know immediately that the entire e-mail is just right-wing fear mongering, and that the sender is either a complete idiot or a right-wing fear monger himself.
What next, Sid? Obama fathered two children with a black woman? LOL!
I am so ambivalent on the selection of president due to the choices available that I really haven't had much input on this discussion. However, I had to comment on this one statement:
National Security: Any concerns I had about Obama were allevialed with the endorsement of Colin Powell. Obama wants an end to the Iraq war which has nothing to do with National Security. Obama wants more troops in Afghanistan which has everything to do with National Security.After Powell's obvious fronting (whether as an unwitting pawn, or an enthusiastic participant, or somewhere in between) for the Bush administration's setting up of invading Iraq, how much strength of word can he really carry for convincing someone on this point?
We're going to be sorry regardless of who wins. Prepare for more of the same: higher taxes, more regulation, continued hollowing out of American industry, and, my personal favorite, more war.
WorldTravel69
11-04-08, 16:24
Very Interesting story.
http://www.sfgate.com/columns/networth/
Rock Harders
11-04-08, 17:07
Mongers,
El Alamo will be showing Live Election Coverage, in English on CNN and Fox News, well into the night. If Obama wins tonight, there will be a round of beers on the house.
Suerte,
Rock Harders
Gauntlet77
11-04-08, 17:40
U. S. Stocks Advance in Biggest Election Day Rally Since 1984
By Elizabeth Stanton.
Nov. 4 (Bloomberg) -- U. S. Stocks advanced in the biggest presidential Election Day rally in 24 years, led by energy and banking shares, on higher commodity prices and speculation the Treasury will bail out more financial companies.
General Electric Co. Added 7.7 percent and CIT Group Inc. And Principal Financial Group Inc. Climbed more than 20 percent after people briefed on the matter said the government may broaden the focus of its rescue program. Exxon Mobil Corp. And Chevron Corp. Led all 40 energy shares in the Standard & Poor's 500 Index higher as oil gained more than $7 a barrel. Archer Daniels Midland Co. Rose as much as 22 percent after profit more than doubled at the world's largest grain processor.
'The market has come to the conclusion that Armageddon is off the table,'' said Philip Orlando, who helps manage $330 billion as chief equity strategist at Federated Investors Inc. In New York. 'The elimination of the uncertainty of the campaign typically results in an end-of-year rally and you're starting to see that today.''
The Standard & Poor's 500 Index added 33.82 points, or 3.5 percent, to 1,000.12 at 1:08 p. M. In New York, its first day above 1,000 since Oct. 14. The Dow Jones Industrial Average rose 265.15 points, or 2.9 percent, to 9,584.98. The Nasdaq Composite Index advanced 51.1, or 3 percent, to 1,777.43. Gains in Europe and Asia sent the MSCI World Index to a sixth straight advance.
Today's gains in the S & P 500 and Dow average were the biggest ever for a presidential Election Day. The NYSE first opened for trading during a presidential vote in 1984. The S & P 500 averaged a 0.3 percent gain on those days since then.
U. S. Stocks Advance in Biggest Election Day Rally Since 1984
By Elizabeth Stanton.
Nov. 4 (Bloomberg) -- U. S. Stocks advanced in the biggest presidential Election Day rally in 24 years, led by energy and banking shares, on higher commodity prices and speculation the Treasury will bail out more financial companies.
General Electric Co. Added 7.7 percent and CIT Group Inc. And Principal Financial Group Inc. Climbed more than 20 percent after people briefed on the matter said the government may broaden the focus of its rescue program. Exxon Mobil Corp. And Chevron Corp. Led all 40 energy shares in the Standard & Poor's 500 Index higher as oil gained more than $7 a barrel. Archer Daniels Midland Co. Rose as much as 22 percent after profit more than doubled at the world's largest grain processor.
'The market has come to the conclusion that Armageddon is off the table,'' said Philip Orlando, who helps manage $330 billion as chief equity strategist at Federated Investors Inc. In New York. 'The elimination of the uncertainty of the campaign typically results in an end-of-year rally and you're starting to see that today.''
The Standard & Poor's 500 Index added 33.82 points, or 3.5 percent, to 1,000.12 at 1:08 p. M. In New York, its first day above 1,000 since Oct. 14. The Dow Jones Industrial Average rose 265.15 points, or 2.9 percent, to 9,584.98. The Nasdaq Composite Index advanced 51.1, or 3 percent, to 1,777.43. Gains in Europe and Asia sent the MSCI World Index to a sixth straight advance.
Today's gains in the S & P 500 and Dow average were the biggest ever for a presidential Election Day. The NYSE first opened for trading during a presidential vote in 1984. The S & P 500 averaged a 0.3 percent gain on those days since then.Gauntlet.
I hope you are correct. We had another President who was elected at a young age, John Fitzgerald Kennedy, who know more about the ecomomy than most people think. Probably because his dad was a giant on Wall Street.
Maybe we will have the same luck with Obama. Maybe he knows more about the economy than most people think. I hope so. At the very least he will not continue with the deficit spending lunacy that we have now. At least I hope not.
Professor ousted after tearing down McCain yard signs.
The St. Olaf (Northfield, Minn. Professor who, in a well-read Huffington Post item, recounted tearing down McCain campaign signs has resigned.
Per the Northfield News, it appears that Philip Busse was forced out.
St. Olaf spokesman David Gonnerman issued the following statement Monday afternoon:
"The St. Olaf College administration first learned of Phil Busse's self-admitted theft and destruction of campaign signs on the morning of Oct. 31 as a result of his posting on the Internet.
"The St. Olaf administration immediately referred the matter to local law enforcement authorities and commenced an investigation of its own.
"Mr. Busse has tendered his resignation and is no longer affiliated with St. Olaf College.
Busse has been charged with misdemeanor theft.
******I hope nobody on this board does anything as stupid as this.
Believe me, this election is not worth it. We will survive whoever wins.
I liked it better when all we did was CHASE PUSSY *****
Gauntlet77
11-04-08, 18:28
Gauntlet.
I hope you are correct. We had another President who was elected at a young age, John Fitzgerald Kennedy, who know more about the ecomomy than most people think. Probably because his dad was a giant on Wall Street.
Maybe we will have the same luck with Obama. Maybe he knows more about the economy than most people think. I hope so. At the very least he will not continue with the deficit spending lunacy that we have now. At least I hope not.El Alamo,
Well I don't know whether Obama knows that much about the economy. But since the stock market is fueled by emotion, he himself doesn't need to have a deep economic background to lead the country out of this mess. What he does have is that rare ability to inspire people to believe in themselves and in the future. That is worth more than a Nobel Prize in economics at this juncture.
His speech tonight after the election will be historic. A possible turning point in the mood of the United States and of the world. If he restores people's faith and gives people hope, I sense a hell of a rally in the markets tomorrow.
Good luck to us all!
Mongers,
El Alamo will be showing Live Election Coverage, in English on CNN and Fox News, well into the night. If Obama wins tonight, there will be a round of beers on the house.
Suerte,
Rock HardersRock,.
That's fantastic but what happens if McCain wins? Perhaps a round of insecticide (kool aid) on the house.
Suerte
Daddy Rulz
11-04-08, 23:14
So I went to vote today and as everybody knows I've been supporting Obama as long as this has been going on. As I walked in to the poll they had a poster of Obama / Biden and McCain / Palin on the walls. I had to wait a bit to vote and something was bugging me. I couldn't put my finger on it, but I was really uncomfortable. I stepped behind the screen and hit a strait Dem ticket, ran through the referendums and hit vote, then a screen came up for me to confirm and I reached out to do it. At that moment it hit me, I just couldn't vote to put a fucking niger in the White House. I thought I was a better person but I wasn't, I just couldn't put his black ass in power, I knew welfare would triple and all the rest of those monkeys would think they had it made. I backed out my vote and changed it to McCain.
As if. Psych!
Obama 174, McAngryOldGuy 64. I think it's going to be a slaughter.
Orlandoirish
11-05-08, 00:40
;-) Its a great country!
So I went to vote today and as everybody knows I've been supporting Obama as long as this has been going on. As I walked in to the poll they had a poster of Obama / Biden and McCain / Palin on the walls. I had to wait a bit to vote and something was bugging me. I couldn't put my finger on it, but I was really uncomfortable. I stepped behind the screen and hit a strait Dem ticket, ran through the referendums and hit vote, then a screen came up for me to confirm and I reached out to do it. At that moment it hit me, I just couldn't vote to put a fucking niger in the White House. I thought I was a better person but I wasn't, I just couldn't put his black ass in power, I knew welfare would triple and all the rest of those monkeys would think they had it made. I backed out my vote and changed it to McCain.
As if. Psych!I have always said you cannot make decisions, you sick fuck! I guess that is why you go through so many chicas-you cannot cannot decide which hole to explore-what a pervert!
StrayLight
11-05-08, 01:32
So should we assume the other 4 are ''not crap'' and are wonderful for you?I don't know what the other four were. The first thing I look for in those sorts of e-mails or posts is the "Capital Gains on Houses" lie. As soon as I saw that you were willing to pass it on, I wrote you and the post off.
StrayLight
11-05-08, 01:41
At that moment it hit me, I just couldn't vote to put a fucking niger in the White House...I knew...all the rest of those monkeys would think they had it made. That's much sadder than you can imagine.
I have a number of friends who are teachers at various levels -- elementary school, junior high, high school -- and they have all commented unfailingly on how Obama's candidacy has absolutely rocked the black and ethnic kids in the most positive ways. My friends have all observed the most profound change in the hopes and aspirations of these kids, along with black parents in particular telling kids they have absolutely no excuse now for not working and trying.
It's 10:37 EST on Tuesday as I write this, and it looks for all the world as though Obama is going to be our next President. All other things aside, I suspect this is going to absolutely transform a huge segment of previously disenfranchised citizens, and create a positive new era in American life.
And you, sport, will always be on the outside looking in.
That's much sadder than you can imagine.
I have a number of friends who are teachers at various levels -- elementary school, junior high, high school -- and they have all commented unfailingly on how Obama's candidacy has absolutely rocked the black and ethnic kids in the most positive ways. My friends have all observed the most profound change in the hopes and aspirations of these kids, along with black parents in particular telling kids they have absolutely no excuse now for not working and trying.
It's 10:37 EST on Tuesday as I write this, and it looks for all the world as though Obama is going to be our next President. All other things aside, I suspect this is going to absolutely transform a huge segment of previously disenfranchised citizens, and create a positive new era in American life.
And you, sport, will always be on the outside looking in.Straylight,
Don't you realize that Daddy was joking? Look at his last comment-"psych" means he was jerking our chain!
Suerte.
Stowe
StrayLight
11-05-08, 01:51
Like General Buck Turgidson, I hate to jump to conclusions before all the facts are in, but it appears two of my biggest prayers are being answered tonight.
First, Liddy Dole -- that foul, foul woman -- seems to have lost to Kay Hagan in North Carolina. This alone would have made my day.
But to top it off, the Dems seem to have picked up enough seats in the Senate to boot Joe Lieberman off his committee chair.
Norm Coleman and Michelle Bachmann defeats in Minnesota would absolutely push it over the to for me, but seeing Dole and Lieberman get their comeuppances will put a big smile on my face as I go so sleep.
StrayLight
11-05-08, 01:52
Straylight,
Don't you realize that Daddy was joking? Look at his last comment-"psych" means he was jerking our chain!
Suerte.
StoweOoops. My apologies big Daddy. I'll buy you a bife de lomo and the wine of your choice should our paths ever cross.
Like General Buck Turgidson, I hate to jump to conclusions before all the facts are in, but it appears two of my biggest prayers are being answered tonight.
First, Liddy Dole -- that foul, foul woman -- seems to have lost to Kay Hagan in North Carolina. This alone would have made my day.
But to top it off, the Dems seem to have picked up enough seats in the Senate to boot Joe Lieberman off his committee chair.
Norm Coleman and Michelle Bachmann defeats in Minnesota would absolutely push it over the to for me, but seeing Dole and Lieberman get their comeuppances will put a big smile on my face as I go so sleep.Straylight,
You are absolutely correct!
Dole ran a VERY hateful campaign-especially in the last 2 weeks-what a surprise for a Repub. And Lieberman is a closet republican and should be removed from his chair.
Suerte.
Stowe
Again, the US leads the western world by being the first country to elect an black man as the leader of the country. The world will follow and respect us again because of our willingness to move forward.
What a wonderful moment in time and for all it means to be an American and all it means to the rest of the world that is watching.
Daddy Rulz
11-05-08, 03:08
Ooops. My apologies big Daddy. I'll buy you a bife de lomo and the wine of your choice should our paths ever cross.I knew it was risky but too fun to pass on. Stowe are African countries Eastern? They have had a lot of black leaders there, and Clinton, well he did play sax while wearing shades and like naling chicas with back.
Daddy Rulz
11-05-08, 03:18
Wow.
I must admit McCain was gracious in defeat. Funny thing though, the crowd in Chicago cheered at the mention of McCain's name while the crowd in Arizona booed at Obama's.
Sid time to hid the money under the mattress, whatever you have in the bank tomorrow I will enjoy spending once the wealth gets spread around.
I knew it was risky but too fun to pass on. Stowe are African countries Eastern? They have had a lot of black leaders there, and Clinton, well he did play sax while wearing shades and like naling chicas with back.I meant the traditional 'western' culture countries, dummy.
Suerte.
Stowe
Wow.
I must admit McCain was gracious in defeat. Funny thing though, the crowd in Chicago cheered at the mention of McCain's name while the crowd in Arizona booed at Obama's.
Sid time to hid the money under the mattress, whatever you have in the bank tomorrow I will enjoy spending once the wealth gets spread around.Agreed. McCain's speech was excellent but his audience was very disrespectful unlike the Obama audience. That shows the character of each group.
Now the hard work begins. I predict Obama is going to be more center than ANYONE expects because he wants change and change can only happen if he is somewhat moderate.
Suerte.
Stowe
Dodger Bulldog
11-05-08, 03:34
Congratulations, America.
We have finally won our country back!
Congratulations, America.
We have finally won our country back!After 15 years! I just hope the Dems don't let it go to their heads like the Repubs did. Govern close to the center and look out for the middle class and that will ensure the Dems will maintain their control.
StrayLight
11-05-08, 03:39
Mother Fuckin' A!!!!
Our long national nightmare may finally be over.
WorldTravel69
11-05-08, 05:17
Rock Harders said it, free beer.
Come on Sid Smile. Like the report said the Market Shines when the Demo's are in the Drivers Seat.
Although Argie beer sucks.
Now if he was a Republican you would have to pay for it.
Ah, let us bask in this for awhile and hope Bush and his band of heavily armed, thieving scoundrels don't pull off some ludicrous horseshit in his remaining days.
There will be much talk about whether or not Obama will be a true "liberal" or govern more from the middle. While I hope he works to effect change in a partisan manner, let us not forget that there are some much needed changes in USA policy that may reflect that frightening "liberal bias". The USA has not had a fully committed liberal agenda in many, many decades. Clinton was much more moderate than liberal as regards policy in most cases. I hope Obama is not so bent on governing from the middle that he fails to aggressively pursue much needed change in many areas, particularly regarding foreign policy. When he announces that the USA is looking for major changes in its stance with Cuba for instance, I will begin to believe. That shouldn't be such a tough thing to do, now that it is apparent that the expat cuban population in Florida is far from a solid voting bloc.
Ah, but that's my pet peeve area. I am sure we won't have to see nutjob conservatives appointed to the Supreme Court now. There won't be any neo conservative voice in an Obama administration. He will be much more likely to put government money to work to improve infrastructure and create jobs for the middle class that is going to need them, and how. He will make sure that the deregulation loopholes on Wall Street are a thing of the past. No more old boy, I'll wipe your ass if you'll wipe mine shenanigans. As he is not a mean spirited ideologue, we can expect to see less tit for tat, juvenile posturing.
Well, thoughts for this beckoning, new morning.;)
Daddy Rulz
11-05-08, 10:51
IMHO, your hangover will not be pleasant! I sure hope that I'm wrong.As a poor person I looked all over Obama's web site for where I apply for my check when they start taking the rich peoples money. Nothing in the mail, nothing in my bank account. Does that only start in January? I hope Sid isn't wrong about that!
Ah, let us bask in this for awhile and hope Bush and his band of heavily armed, thieving scoundrels don't pull off some ludicrous horseshit in his remaining days.I cross my fingers to be wrong this time but I will not be surprised if your friends in the Middle East attack Iran in this meantime creating a whole mess there. They had their very first ever joined air exersice with my Greeks checking their endurance and in-flight refuelling last summer.
Well what Greeks actually did was to let them over pass all the way to the west.
The administration will claim that they have nothing to do with that.
Just a comment about Dems vs Repubs. It doesn't matter that one is in power over the other, because as far as who is more honest and who is less likely to use the "good ol' boy network," that makes not one whit of difference who it is.
My step-grandfather was a pilot who actually flew JFK on many of his campaign trips for the '60 election. He was also a worker in the Arkansas transportation system as a railroad engineer. He was very connected into Arkansas politics and the union scene. In fact, he used to talk to his buddies at the federal government level and watch out for us when we drove to see him and my grandmother - the state and federal police in some places have cameras and they can see by license plates who is passing where - he used to call my folks up and tell them exactly where we were as we drove to see my grandmother nearly a thousand miles away from where we lived.
He had many stories to tell of the (illegal) Democratic efforts to get Kennedy elected - voter fraud that HE KNEW OF DIRECTLY and participated in.
He has stories about pork-barrel projects that his buddies in both the State Legislature and representatives to the US legislature won by the "good ol' boy network."
He will be much more likely to put government money to work to improve infrastructure and create jobs for the middle class that is going to need them, and how.I think the biggest difference between the truly conservative and the truly liberal (I'm talking about neither neo-cons nor communists! Is that conservatives feel that people should be self-reliant and pretty much on their own and liberals feel that the government should do things to help people to give them a chance to succeed.
Now, between that, you have people on both sides, who because they are human, will take advantage of their power and position to ensure that their "side," or their families, or their buddies, etc ad infinitum, will benefit.
I think that the government (BOTH FREAKING PARTIES are short in this regard, not just the Republicans) should make an even playing field for all of its citizens. Make simple laws that keep people from taking advantage and doing things illegally and then ENFORCE THEM, including against employees and representatives of the government who could take advantage of their power.
This idea that "the common man" has to be provided for is something I just can't understand. I am liberal to the extent that I don't like to see people suffer, but I am conservative to the point where I think that many people are too lazy and ignorant and too full of wrong ideas as to where the real problems lay to do anything themselves about their situation.
I don't think the government has any business creating jobs - it should get the hell out of the way and let the people it is supposed to work for (and not the other way around) do that. Anything the governmkent touches, by definition, is going to be innefficient and wasteful.
I hate to say this, and I KNOW I'm going to be trashed for this, but many (not all) poor people are poor by choice. I'm talking about the United States here, not in countries where there are reasons beyond many people's direct control that keep them from succeeding.
There are enough people who seek power by telling the poor that they cannot do anything without the government's help, that they choose not to do anything except ***** and complain and say "I'm not going to go work for minimum wage at McDonald's" (or wherever) "because I'm better than that."
Yes, strong words, I know. But for fuck's sake! While my parents may not have been poor (they were on the VERY low end of middle class) they never helped me with my own way. I was told that I could go to school and live at home when it came time for college and they would help me monetarily, or I could leave and figure out what to do. I did not want to live at home any more, so I went to school on my own, in another city, with only the money I had made over the summer between high school and college working construction along side illegal Mexicans.
That was a disaster, but not because I needed help. I worked three jobs (they were all minimum wage) and paid for nearly four years of school. But I chose not to continue college (my terrible decision) and went into the workforce. First as a laborer, then as a draftsman, then as a programmer and lastly as a business man who has had to struggle to survive.
I worked my ass off. I worked extra jobs when I needed something. My parents NEVER helped me once I left the house. Not with contacts (which they didn't have) not with money (of which they had very little) although they did support me and helped with advice when they thought I needed it, though as young and dumb as I was I ignored most of it.
The problem with most people who rely on the governments in my opinion is that they want someone else to give them an opportunity, and not simply take it.
In my opinion, you make your own opportunity and don't whine about it. You yourself are responsible for what you do in this life. I think that ANYONE who treats someone like shit for matters of race (or religion, etc) and denies opportunity on that basis should be castigated and punished in some fashion. I think anyone who lies and cheats other people to get ahead should be punished.
Why can't we work on that instead of the government controlling things that it has no business controlling? But not with laws that guarantee so many people of certain pursuasions so many jobs.
I don't really know what the answer is - anyone who really DOES know what the answer is, at this time in the life of the world, would truly be akin to Jesus and I think is about as mythical.
But surely handing the government control over things and making the government directly responsible for ensuring its people are happy is not the right way.
The consitution didn't guarantee happiness - it guaranteed the right to pursue it. It's up to each person to sieze that rihgt and do something with it.
James Bond 007
11-05-08, 13:15
Yes this is a beginning of a new era with a new government. The democrats have the presidency and both branches of congress. It was probably time for the pendulum to swing back to the left as it does each decade.
I'm not a big democrat or republican as I don't trust politicians in general. However I think there is a good balance of power in the US that allows for checks and balances. You can't always say that is the case in most other countries.
Whoever is in power, whatever is inevitable is that we will likely experience is increase in taxes. The government is in a lot of debt and they have to increase taxes somewhere, whether it be corporate tax, personal income tax or elsewhere. I doubt there will be an significant cutbacks in government spending as there are so many lobbyists claiming money for their constituents.
Agreed. McCain's speech was excellent but his audience was very disrespectful unlike the Obama audience. That shows the character of each group.
I must admit McCain was gracious in defeat. Funny thing though, the crowd in Chicago cheered at the mention of McCain's name while the crowd in Arizona booed at Obama's.You've got to love this.
Not only are Obama supporters more enlightened, but they're also "better people".
ROTFLMAO.
Thanks,
Jackson
QuakHunter
11-05-08, 14:03
I think the biggest difference between the truly conservative and the truly liberal (I'm talking about neither neo-cons nor communists! Is that conservatives feel that people should be self-reliant and pretty much on their own and liberals feel that the government should do things to help people to give them a chance to succeed.
I hate to say this, and I KNOW I'm going to be trashed for this, but many (not all) poor people are poor by choice. I'm talking about the United States here, not in countries where there are reasons beyond many people's direct control that keep them from succeeding.
I worked three jobs (they were all minimum wage) and paid for nearly four years of school. But I chose not to continue college (my terrible decision) and went into the workforce. First as a laborer, then as a draftsman, then as a programmer and lastly as a business man who has had to struggle to survive.
The problem with most people who rely on the governments in my opinion is that they want someone else to give them an opportunity, and not simply take it.
In my opinion, you make your own opportunity and don't whine about it. You yourself are responsible for what you do in this life. I think that ANYONE who treats someone like shit for matters of race (or religion, etc) and denies opportunity on that basis should be castigated and punished in some fashion. I think anyone who lies and cheats other people to get ahead should be punished.
The constitution didn't guarantee happiness - it guaranteed the right to pursue it. It's up to each person to sieze that right and do something with it.A well written synopsis of what most people who call themselves Conservative feel.
I grew up in a white, upper middle class family in the Midwest. Through this entire election cycle the people who I grew up with and admired have been called evangelical christians, neo-cons and worse simply because we subscribe to a principle of self reliance so eloquently espoused by El Queso.
My dad was well off, but I paid for College myself with scholarships and part time jobs. This was because my Dad was a man whose Father was killed in 1932 as a police officer who grew up Fatherless. He quit High School to fight in Korea with the Marines, came back and finished High School, earned a scholarship to a Big Ten school and graduated after seven long years. The GI Bill and football scholarship he studied under are still available to those who want to pursue an education. Dad hated the upper crust kids he called "The Lucky Sperm Club" who had verything given to them and maybe he wanted his kid to earn his way. Dad always made sure we had straight teeth, good eyes and clean clothes, kind of like the government providing good roads, safety and parks. (I know, a stretch but work with me)
During my time in school I was more interested in beer and pussy than hard work, and I suffered. When I was done with my four years playing football I had to come back for a fifth year to graduate. I worked three jobs, studied harder and appreciated that year as much as the first four. Nobody was going to give me a fifth year for my lack of effort the first four.
There were hard working minority and less fortunate kids that came to school with the opportunities provided them and made a tremendous opportunity even better by succeeding at school. Pell Grants, ROTC Scholarships, charitable foundations have always been available to people who wanted to better their station in life. Far more of these kids came to school unprepared, with little or no appreciation for their opportunity and fucked it all away. I tend to remember the people around me that made the most of their chances. I guess I am just a PollyAnna Cocksucker, right?
Most years I make over $250, the past three I have not. I deal with it and try and find ways to improve and expand my business without reducing payroll. My family and I still have to face these people in our community. I still spend more dollars on efforts to improve my family's life, help my community and provide relief to the deserving people in need than I spend on Pussy. And trust me, that last expenditure is substantial.
I am a man who is writing posts on a board dedicated to chasing pussy, drinking beer and gaining information to do it more efficiently and maximize my experience. I believe that the label of "Evangelical Christian or Neo Con" might need to be applied elsewhere. But yet, I am the Republican "Cock Sucker" that won't be heard from for awhile.
So before all of the gloating gets completely out of hand and the name calling gets more hostile and venomous, try and remember that ideology works both ways and time will bear out who was right based on individual situations, not on the collective "good" or "bad" feelings about some overlooked, oppressed, protected class of people.
Because in the end, both sides would like to shut this great hobby down. To paraphrase a quote by the great statesman, Charlton Heston.
"They can take my Chica when they pry her off my cold, hard erection" or something like that.
He also said, "Get your hands off of me you damned, dirty ape"
Good luck.
The Return of Pride
Ah, let us bask in this for awhile and hope Bush and his band of heavily armed, thieving scoundrels don't pull off some ludicrous horseshit in his remaining days.
There will be much talk about whether or not Obama will be a true "liberal" or govern more from the middle. While I hope he works to effect change in a partisan manner, let us not forget that there are some much needed changes in USA policy that may reflect that frightening "liberal bias". The USA has not had a fully committed liberal agenda in many, many decades. Clinton was much more moderate than liberal as regards policy in most cases. I hope Obama is not so bent on governing from the middle that he fails to aggressively pursue much needed change in many areas, particularly regarding foreign policy. When he announces that the USA is looking for major changes in its stance with Cuba for instance, I will begin to believe. That shouldn't be such a tough thing to do, now that it is apparent that the expat cuban population in Florida is far from a solid voting bloc.
Ah, but that's my pet peeve area. I am sure we won't have to see nutjob conservatives appointed to the Supreme Court now. There won't be any neo conservative voice in an Obama administration. He will be much more likely to put government money to work to improve infrastructure and create jobs for the middle class that is going to need them, and how. He will make sure that the deregulation loopholes on Wall Street are a thing of the past. No more old boy, I'll wipe your ass if you'll wipe mine shenanigans. As he is not a mean spirited ideologue, we can expect to see less tit for tat, juvenile posturing.
Well, thoughts for this beckoning, new morning.;)I never lost my pride in the USA.
The Word of the Day is LANDSLIDE
What a wonderful moment in time and for all it means to be an American and all it means to the rest of the world that is watching.Where exactly was that landslide?
I didn't see anything even close to a landslide.
Thanks,
Jackson
Mother Fuckin' A!
Our long national nightmare may finally be over.Our Al Qaeda's long national nightmare may finally be over.
I never lost my pride in the USA.Amen Jackson. Neither did I. I did lose faith in the government of the past eight years.
James Bond 007
11-05-08, 14:15
I guess it wasn't the classic landslide of Ronald Reagan 20+ years ago, but I guess media is calling it since Obama won most of the large states on the battleground (FL, OH, PA, etc)
Where exactly was that landslide?
I didn't see anything even close to a landslide.
Thanks,
Jackson
I have a number of friends who are teachers at various levels -- elementary school, junior high, high school -- and they have all commented unfailingly on how Obama's candidacy has absolutely rocked the black and ethnic kids in the most positive ways. My friends have all observed the most profound change in the hopes and aspirations of these kids, along with black parents in particular telling kids they have absolutely no excuse now for not working and trying.Yes, the ability to inspire young children has long been an important criteria for me in selecting a President.
I am sure we won't have to see nutjob conservatives appointed to the Supreme Court now.Dogg,
On this point we agree.
Thanks,
Jackson
Dogg,
On this point we agree.
Thanks,
JacksonAre you pulling my leg? You mean I can count on you to support having some special legislation enacted whereby Scalia can be removed and sent to a crackhouse in Detroit to live out his days?;)
Our Al Qaeda's long national nightmare may finally be over.Jackson-I think you will find that this is eminently untrue. Our ability to combat Al Qaeda will be significantly enhanced by a much improved relationship with nearly every fucking country on the face of the earth. Even in Iraq, Al Qaeda has been historically personas non grata, and there is every reason to believe that will continue to be the case. They have been tolerated there by the Sunnis, in order to fight the Shias and our boys, but that is changing. Despite the fact that Iraq is likely to be very messy for many years, I don't think Al Qaeda will ever have a role in that country. In fact, eventually an Iraqi government will most likely treat them even worse than the USA. And that's saying something.
James Bond 007
11-05-08, 14:37
I have to agree with Jackson here. We need more kids to stay off the streets and stay in school.
Yes, the ability to inspire young children has long been an important criteria for me in selecting a President.
StrayLight
11-05-08, 14:51
Does anyone else get the feeling Jackson wasn't rooting for Obama?
LOL!
StrayLight
11-05-08, 14:52
Our Al Qaeda's long national nightmare may finally be over.Jackson, if you had a clue -- even a remote clue -- of what you were talking about in this matter you'd know how incredibly silly that statement is.
Rock Harders
11-05-08, 16:30
Mongers,
What transpired last night amounted to an Electoral College LANDSLIDE, as Obama won EVERY SINGLE SWINGSTATE, including many that had not voted for a Democrat in over 40 years. Obama also won a clear absolute majority of the popular vote, with 52% , something a Democrat had not done in more than 40 years. The pre-election polls proved to be fairly accurate in predicting the outcome of this election.
The bottom line is that Obama won so easily because of the dire economic situation that the Bush Administration has created over the past 8 years. If the market was still at 14k and the credit crisis had not happened the Republicans, despite their huge fuckups, would have had a real chance of getting elected. Another contributing factor was McCain's choice of Sarah Palin as his VP; I really believe that choice killed McCain's electability. All the other Neocon fuck ups, such as the Wars, the monster budget deficit caused by the wars and the Bush tax cuts, the tarnished international reputation, the reduced civil liberties, were excusable by large segments of "mainstream" Americans because they are complicated issues that they are not affected by in their daily lives and probably do not fully comprehend anyway. However, when there is no money in your pocket, bills are piling up, and there are eviction notices glued to your front door, it's time for a change.
I also feel that the era of neo-con significance is gone forever, as the changing demographics of the USA will lead to a steady shift to the left. Unless the Republican party reinvents itself away from the right wing, Rush Limbaugh, Jerry Fallwell religious psychopaths types they may be out of power for a long, long time. My biggest hope now is that Obama can repair the damage of the past 8 years and will end the wars, clean up US Foreign Policy, balance the budget, and get rid of the Patriot Act.
Suerte,
Rock Harders
Jackson, if you had a clue -- even a remote clue -- of what you were talking about in this matter you'd know how incredibly silly that statement is.Hi,
There's nothing silly about my statement, and I resent your implication that I don't have "even a remote clue"
I suggest that it is YOU who do not possess "even a remote clue".
The fact is that the country elected Al Qaeda's choice for president, and I'm sure that at this moment they are rejoicing at the prospect of their now inevitable success as they wait for the USA's inevitable capitulation.
Unfortunately, it would appear that the USA is once again on the verge of demonstrating that we collectively as a people don't have the guts to finish a tough job.
Thanks,
Jackson
Jackson-I think you will find that this is eminently untrue. Our ability to combat Al Qaeda will be significantly enhanced by a much improved relationship with nearly every fucking country on the face of the earth. Even in Iraq, Al Qaeda has been historically personas non grata, and there is every reason to believe that will continue to be the case. They have been tolerated there by the Sunnis, in order to fight the Shias and our boys, but that is changing. Despite the fact that Iraq is likely to be very messy for many years, I don't think Al Qaeda will ever have a role in that country. In fact, eventually an Iraqi government will most likely treat them even worse than the USA. And that's saying something.Dogg,
I leave room for the possibility that you might be right.
Thanks,
Jackson
Daddy Rulz
11-05-08, 20:17
You've got to love this.
Not only are Obama supporters more enlightened, but they're also "better people".
ROTFLMAO.
Thanks,
JacksonStowe made a judgment, I made an observation. The fact is that when John McCain referenced Obama the audience booed, when Obama referenced John McCain the audience cheered. Now whether that was because one had won and was in good spirits while the other was collectively in a bad mood because they lost, or one audience is "more enlightened" I don't know.
The fact is, in Arizona they booed, in Chicago they cheered, and that's all I fucking said.
Sidney,
I wouldn't worry too much about the stock market. If things go according to plan we should all be receiving our food ration coupons soon I. E. 1 egg a week, 1 oz of mystery meat, one cookie and a thimble of milk.
No more fatties in this country (This message approved by Fidel aka Obama and the Revolutionary Council)
It is my hope that you or other Obomination ''worshipers'' own no stocks!------------------Market Overview.
DJIA 9,139.27 -486.01 -5.05%
Nasdaq 1,681.64 -98.48 -5.53%
S & P 500 952.77 -52.98 -5.27%
Dow Util 374.19 -15.73 -4.03%
NYSE 6,012.18 -332.91 -5.25%
AMEX 1,453.93 -73.81 -4.83%
Russell 2000 514.64 -31.33 -5.74%A classic case of buy on the rumor and sell on the news. Of course, continued bad news about manufacturing didn't help either.
Again, the US leads the western world by being the first country to elect an black man as the leader of the country. The world will follow and respect us again because of our willingness to move forward.There's been other black Presidents in the history of the world. Think Africa.
Daddy Rulz
11-05-08, 22:06
There's been other black Presidents in the history of the world. Think Africa.I already busted his ass on that one.
DrakeCapital
11-05-08, 22:56
Hi,
There's nothing silly about my statement, and I resent your implication that I don't have "even a remote clue"
I suggest that it is YOU who do not possess "even a remote clue".
The fact is that the country elected Al Qaeda's choice for president, and I'm sure that at this moment they are rejoicing at the prospect of their now inevitable success as they wait for the USA's inevitable capitulation.
Unfortunately, it would appear that the USA is once again on the verge of demonstrating that we collectively as a people don't have the guts to finish a tough job."Well said, J. I thought I might be the only one to acknowledge this. Speaking for myself, it's my hope that liberals keep picking on the military, then cut their budget, so that history can repeat here like every other great nation that crumbled. Arm the men, teach them to kill, and then tell them they are obsolete, unemployed, and the cause of the nation's problems. This seems very unwise to me, but it's pervasive over here. For example, military votes were not even counted, even though they were mailed to the voters late! The good news, for me anyway, is that no matter who won, they will be out after 1 term, as the economic climate continues to spiral out of control.
Too much whining in the US, by people who have no "skin in the game". This is gonna bust hard, and the financial markets are foretelling this.
DrakeCapital
11-05-08, 23:00
I guess it wasn't the classic landslide of Ronald Reagan 20+ years ago, but I guess media is calling it since Obama won most of the large states on the battleground (FL, OH, PA, etc)Does anybody find it ironic that Obama also did not know his father. Typical.
DrakeCapital
11-05-08, 23:06
Congratulations, America.
We have finally won our country back!Back to what? In these situations, it is not foreign policy we need to focus on. Watch how the military is brought home to the US to quell riots, caused by rampant poverty (definitely in the future for US) Then it's just a quick jump to moving out the ingrates. It sounds hard to fathom, but even Rome was toppled by the "hired army", the visigoths. Things happen much faster these days, however.
For the record, I am not fearful of what's coming, as it's not me they'll be looking for!
Gauntlet77
11-05-08, 23:08
It is my hope that you or other Obomination ''worshipers'' own no stocks!------------------Market Overview.
DJIA 9,139.27 -486.01 -5.05%Just to put things in perspective. The Dow went up 1,510.36 in 6 consecutive days! It was time for a retracement. It will now probably test the 9,000 level before resuming its upward path. If it can get through 9,794 with some volume, we'll see 10,500 before we see the bottom again.
I think the odds favor Armageddon. I think the world financial system as we know it is fucked. I'm starting to stock up on food, for chrissakes. So why do I think the market will go up in the short term?
Because Sidney and most everyone thinks the market will go down. The market is one deviant son of a *****!
Suerte.
BTW, I was at the Alamo last night for the election results. It turned into a helluva Obama victory celebration. I can personally attest that young female Obama supporters are indeed better huggers and kissers than their Republican counterparts.
Daddy Rulz
11-05-08, 23:47
Sarah Palin couldn't name the countries in NAFTA (US Canada and Mexico) and thought Africa was a country not a continent.
Reported by Carl Cameron from sources in the McCain campaign.
I know the election is over but, well, I was right.
StrayLight
11-06-08, 00:50
Hi,
There's nothing silly about my statement, and I resent your implication that I don't have "even a remote clue"
I suggest that it is YOU who do not possess "even a remote clue".
The fact is that the country elected Al Qaeda's choice for president, and I'm sure that at this moment they are rejoicing at the prospect of their now inevitable success as they wait for the USA's inevitable capitulation.
Unfortunately, it would appear that the USA is once again on the verge of demonstrating that we collectively as a people don't have the guts to finish a tough job.
Thanks,
JacksonConnect the dots for us Jackson. How is Obama Al Qaeda's choice for President?
I personally spent most of my adult life as a military officer, in a sector that provided a relatively clear view into subject at hand. On retirement from the military, I worked in a national security position for almost five years. I may not be 100% current on certain details, but I think I'm pretty clued in to the big picture of how we're really going about fighting Al Qaeda. And certainly clued in enough to say with some confidence that your statement is silly, and that you do not, in fact, have even a remote clue.
Highly recommended read on the transforming effect of Obama's election:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081105/ap_on_re_eu/eu_election_an_american_abroad
Thought some may find this article interesting. Pay your bills and live within your means and you get the shaft.
http://seekingalpha.com/article/103202-the-shallowest-generation?source=article_sb_popular
Thought some may find this article interesting. Pay your bills and live within your means and you get the shaft.
http://seekingalpha.com/article/103202-the-shallowest-generation?source=article_sb_popularThat's an excellent article.
Connect the dots for us Jackson. How is Obama Al Qaeda's choice for President?
I personally spent most of my adult life as a military officer, in a sector that provided a relatively clear view into subject at hand. On retirement from the military, I worked in a national security position for almost five years. I may not be 100% current on certain details, but I think I'm pretty clued in to the big picture of how we're really going about fighting Al Qaeda. And certainly clued in enough to say with some confidence that your statement is silly, and that you do not, in fact, have even a remote clue.StrayLight,
Ask yourself this question:
If you were Al Qaeda senior management, which of these two men would you perfer NOT to have as the US president?
A) Obama.
B) McCain.
Thanks,
Jackson
Wild Walleye
11-07-08, 01:15
I know this is your house, but don't bother trying to 'save the damned' (so to speak) You can't reason with emotion. It's frustrating, like trying to take a dump when you are totally constipated: you know your right (no doubt you gotta go) you work hard and get no results, and the only thing you come away certain about is the the source of your frustration stinks like sh**.
With all due respect to Straylight (taking him at his word about his experiences) his statements are poorly formed opinions, not facts (Dickwad, jump in here when you feel like it! We are all entitled to have them. There are always members of the opposition within important functions of the government (State, defense, intelligence) I would reason that the gushing of public support for the newly elected president, from a number of America's enemies, render this point moot.
You can, however, reason with a guy who is looking to buy you a drink. Next week we can start work on the conservative resistance in exile!
WW
StrayLight,
Ask yourself this question:
If you were Al Qaeda senior management, which of these two men would you perfer NOT to have as the US president?
A) Obama.
Be) McCain.
Thanks,
JacksonIf the point of Al Qaeda is to create hatred between the muslim and christian countries than they would want ongoing conflicts in the hope of angering the rest of the muslim world so they would rise up and join Al Qaeda against us and the rest of the western world.
They would then want the person who would most likely and most easily go to war against them and that would be McCain. Therefore, it is not unrealistic to believe they would prefer McCain over Obama because McCain has already indicated he hated Iran and was ready to attack them.
Stowe
StrayLight,
Ask yourself this question:
If you were Al Qaeda senior management, which of these two men would you perfer NOT to have as the US president?
A) Obama.
Be) McCain.
Thanks,
JacksonThe wonderful, wonderful part about this is - You're pasé, it doesn't matter anymore. It was a trash trailer, red scare question 3 days ago, now it's a pointless question. Bill Kristol - doesn't matter anymore. Rush Limbaugh - doesn't matter anymore. Bill O'Reilly - doesn't matter anymore. The arm chair general neo-con crowd that never spent a day in uniform, you're over? We see all ready your backsides as you're slipping off into an ignominius past. You've had your carnage rampage and ruinous blunders. Like Dracula, it's time to get back in the crypt baby. Going the way of the Dodos now.
The wonderful, wonderful part about this is - You're pasé, it doesn't matter anymore. It was a trash trailer, red scare question 3 days ago, now it's a pointless question. Bill Kristol - doesn't matter anymore. Rush Limbaugh - doesn't matter anymore. Bill O'Reilly - doesn't matter anymore. The arm chair general neo-con crowd that never spent a day in uniform, you're over? We see all ready your backsides as you're slipping off into an ignominius past. You've had your carnage rampage and ruinous blunders. Like Dracula, it's time to get back in the crypt baby. Going the way of the Dodos now.Hey Baccus,
You are stealing Keith Obermann's lines from last night, dude! I disagree because everything is cyclical and eventually the Dems will screw it up and lose their majority. Politicians are so corruptible when in control too long which is why I was against them getting a supermajority in the Senate.
The only way the Dems could maintain control is to govern in the middle and fix all the problems and that will take a generation. But because we change our government so often we do not maintain continuity so we cannot resolve the difficult problems.
Thus, while I believe Obama will make improvements, he only has 8 years and the person after him will change the priorities so we will change direction again and not resolve the real problems. That is why I do not see a solution for the US other than a gradual but consistent decline until we collapse (perhaps / hopefully in 50 years) At least I will be dead by then.
Suerte.
Stowe
The wonderful, wonderful part about this is - You're pasé, it doesn't matter anymore. It was a trash trailer, red scare question 3 days ago, now it's a pointless question. Bill Kristol - doesn't matter anymore. Rush Limbaugh - doesn't matter anymore. Bill O'Reilly - doesn't matter anymore. The arm chair general neo-con crowd that never spent a day in uniform, you're over? We see all ready your backsides as you're slipping off into an ignominius past. You've had your carnage rampage and ruinous blunders. Like Dracula, it's time to get back in the crypt baby. Going the way of the Dodos now.Bacchus9,
Your post is nothing more than a big middle index finger presented to everyone who doesn't share your political views.
I find your dismissive attitude towards other people's opinions to be incredibly low class, but typical of what I've come to expect from some overly-emotional liberals.
Bacchus9, you haven't contributed anything except to the political threads for the past two years. If spewing political venom has now become your only interest here, then I would suggest that you might consider another forum. The DailyKOS and the Huffington Post both come to mind.
Thanks,
Jackson
QuakHunter
11-07-08, 13:26
The wonderful, wonderful part about this is - You're pasé, it doesn't matter anymore. It was a trash trailer, red scare question 3 days ago, now it's a pointless question. Bill Kristol - doesn't matter anymore. Rush Limbaugh - doesn't matter anymore. Bill O'Reilly - doesn't matter anymore. The arm chair general neo-con crowd that never spent a day in uniform, you're over? We see all ready your backsides as you're slipping off into an ignominius past. You've had your carnage rampage and ruinous blunders. Like Dracula, it's time to get back in the crypt baby. Going the way of the Dodos now.Limbaugh's ratings peaked and were sky high during the Clinton years. O'Reilly launched his boring ass show (which conservatives like me think is totally irrelevant) during the Clinton Years. People don't read anymore so you may be right about Kristol.
But,
Arm chair General neo-con crowd that never spent a day in uniform? Four battle crosses and Battle stars, two Purple Hearts with service in WWI, WWII and Korea by my Father, Uncles, Grandfathers and other family. And a son at one of the Service Academies who will be going into the Marines in three years. Since my opinion doesn't count I'll just rely on theirs.
Ignominius? No, no shame here.
Ruinous? No, we are still a great country. We will be fine and will lead the world again.
Dracula? Sucks.
Dodos? You watch the Flintstones too much.
The personal attacks are the shit that takes all the fun out of the discourse.
Daddy Rulz
11-07-08, 19:59
StrayLight,
Ask yourself this question:
If you were Al Qaeda senior management, which of these two men would you perfer NOT to have as the US president?
A) Obama.
Be) McCain.
Thanks,
JacksonThe Red Caves really wanted McPain because they knew when The Distinguished Gentleman from Arizona died they could bulldoze the barbie.
However in the blue caves Obama was the clear favorite, having lived in Indonesia for a few years and having actually known some Muslims they thought this might be somebody they could start a dialogue with and perhaps reach an accord where they could take off the dynamite vests.
Obama also did better among the under 30 jihadists because they like Michelle's ass.
All in all they both polled fairly consistently in their target areas.
(OK I totally stole this from the "Daily Show" but it was to good not to use)
Who should Osama fear?
Bush: "We'll get Osama 'dead or alive'". That was 7 years ago.
McCain: "My friend, I know how to find Osama". I wonder how come he has not shared this strategy with Bush in the past 7 years.
Obama: "If we know where Osama is in Pakistan, I will send our military after him" (without asking Pakistan's permission)
Who should Al Qeada fear?
A) Bush who sent 15,000 soldiers to Afghanistan after Al Qeada and 100,000 soldiers to Iraq after the oil.
Be) McCain who hasn't shared 'how to find Osama' with anyone for the past 7 years, and wants to keep the conflict going creating more Al Qeada recruits.
C) Obama who wants to pressure Pakistan to do more to isolate Al Qeada at the borders between Afghanistan & Pakistan.
C) Obama who wants to pressure Pakistan to do more to isolate Al Qeada at the borders between Afghanistan & Pakistan.Gee, what a great idea!
I wonder why George Bush didn't think of that?
That Obama is just so smart.
Thanks,
Jackson
Sarah Palin couldn't name the countries in NAFTA (US Canada and Mexico) and thought Africa was a country not a continent.
Reported by Carl Cameron from sources in the McCain campaign.
I know the election is over but, well, I was right.I would have liked to know how Obama would have answered the same question, but the media never asked him anything that tough.
Thanks,
Jackson
Gee, what a great idea!
I wonder why George Bush didn't think of that?
That Obama is just so smart.
Thanks,
JacksonWell! In 2005 Pakistan signed a peace treaty with the Talibans, Al Qaeda defenders in the region. Billions of $ of US aid kept pouring into Pakistan. There was no public outcry from the Bush Administration. Obama kept saying that the aid should be tied to measurable results. These are the facts.
Bush and Obama have a different approach to the problem. This doesn't make one smarter than the other. People can draw their own conclusions as to which strategy they think is more effective.
Daddy Rulz
11-08-08, 11:36
I would have liked to know how Obama would have answered the same question, but the media never asked him anything that tough.
Thanks,
JacksonThose evil liberal media elitists never asked her if she knew that Africa was a Continent, I guess they just assumed she would know that just like most 2nd graders. Just as her handlers must have assumed it when they were briefing her on South Africa, and to their horror she asked if S Africa was in the country Africa.
Her response, "oh some people like to make a big deal about other people getting the wrong answer to a question."
This was leaked by staffers in her own campaign bubby. They also said she used to answer her door wearing only a towel. Not that there is anything wrong with that, I still think she is spoogable. Dumb as a fucking stump, but spoogable.
There is this persistent story going around that BO has not produced a Birth Certificate proving he was born in the USA and eligable to be a US President.
The last I heard, a muckracker was putting this issue before the Supreme Court on the day of the election.
Should OB be forced to show his BC before his inauguration?
Next time it will be Schwartznegger for Pres.
The amusing part of the whole charade is the GOP is getting it in the fartzer just like they gave it to the DEMS via the Gop Supreme court.
Has Carl Rove been de-clawed?
And the beat goes on.
Jackpot
A neoconservative spin-master--let's have the wolves guarding the hen house!
Wild Walleye
12-12-08, 00:23
A neoconservative spin-master--let's have the wolves guarding the hen house!Spin-master yes. Neo-con no.
Although I say that with the greatest respect to Senor Bob de Miami, who I have placed upon a pedestal to be respected into perpetuity and to whom I owe a huge debt of gratitude. In the words of Wayne and Garth "We're not worthy!"
Daddy Rulz
12-14-08, 19:48
http://uk.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=95468&videoChannel=75
Seams the Iraq press has been throwing "Shoe's" at President Bush at a news conferance in Bagdad.
Exon
http://uk.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=95468&videoChannel=75Ha ha! Fantastic video. Well, it appears Bush sucks at everything except ducking shoes thrown at him. Maybe Laura has given him some practice we don't know about.
Bush is fast.
I am not particularly fond of him, but he handled himself well during this whole incident.
Regards,
BM
Ha! Badman, thats the first thing that popped into my head as I watched that vdo! Then I watched again to see the distance between him and that man, the warning time, the reflex and I thought damn! W could have been a damn good boxer with those skills!
I would have been clocked right in the kisser! And he dodged two! I almost expected to see him counter with a hook. Amazing.
Daddy Rulz
12-15-08, 03:14
Big things in this man's future.
Yankees Sign Iraqi Hurler.
Shoe-throwing Right-hander Impresses Scouts.
In their latest bid to beef up their pitching rotation for the 2009 season, the New York Yankees today signed Iraqi journalist Muntadar al-Zeidi to a three-year deal worth $32 million.
The right-handed al-Zeidi, 28, impressed the Yankee scouts with his performance in Baghdad yesterday when he threw both of his shoes at President George W. Bush.
While neither of the shoes hit their target, both throws "had great velocity and good movement," said Yankee owner Hank Steinbrenner.
"The first shoe was high and outside but the second one was right down the middle," Mr. Steinbrenner said.
The Yankee boss said that he was also impressed with Mr. Al-Zeidi's fighting spirit when Secret Service agents tackled him.
"That could come in handy when we have a series with Boston," he said.
WorldTravel69
05-09-16, 15:45
He was second in line to be the President under Bush..
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/04/27/ex-speaker-dennis-hastert-faces-sentencing-chicago/83584440/
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