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Thomaso276
09-06-05, 10:47
I thought I would chime in as long as this thread brought up the subject of the criticism being heaped upon Bush and FEMA after Katrina. I have some experience with emergency management - hurricanes - in Florida.
First of all, this storm was the nightmare scenerio and as such, would strain and break any resources available. Here are the problems as I see them:
Lack of leadership. CNN and the media constantly criticizes Bush but the key roles for these disasters fall first on the Mayors of cities affected, then on Governors of the States. FEMA and the Federal Gov't are support systems meant to augment and supplement those local officials in charge. The local officials have failed. Local personnel have failed (see reports about 4-500 Police walking off the job, that is 1/3 of the Department) The city, understandably, has been destroyed from within and emergency response personnel suffer from the same problems as those caught in the disaster. The Mayor and Governors have been woefully inadequate in their preparation and after actions of this storm. That is not Bush's fault.
Community response. Hurricanes do not happen within minutes. People have several days of warnings and are given time to evacuate. When tens of thousands did not leave, they created a nightmare scenerio and were forced to use the "shelters of last resort" approach. Disaster plans account for these shelters. The Superdome was the best example, however, overpasses, highways and attics are also in this category. You see, once the storm hits and people realize it is dangerous, they cannot get to another state or city. They crawl into attics or trek to high ground highways just to survive.
Community Planning. I have read about and understand the economic issues regarding those who did not leave. It is understandable that many did not have the money for evacuation. However, all hurricane planning advises that for the first 72 hours after a storm people need to make sure they can survive on their own. This means water, medicines, food and any other necessities that they as individuals need. Within minutes of the storm passing, people were clamoring for these basic items and wondering why the Feds were not delivering these things immediately. I am afraid that the citizens of New Orleans did little or nothing to prepare for this storm and the aftermath.
Security issues. The CNN feeds have downplayed the violence that sprung up after the storm. Put yourself in the place of the firemen, rescue and police personnel. You enter an area to help and someone starts shooting at you. How many times are you going to go back in to this environment? Looters and roving gangs are not there to help others. When people decide to stay in the areas they complicate efforts to mitigate the storms.
This is a disaster of immense proportions and many factors had to line up for it to happen. The newspaper reports of using New Orleans as the nightmare scenerio for FEMA training are accurate. The city was always considered a potential disaster becasue of the levy problems and below sea-level location. While many are blaming Bush, neither he nor the Feds have pointed out where the real fault lies: the Government and community of New Orleans failed in protecting their community and educating their citizens on how to prepare and respond to hurricanes.
That said, I do feel terrible for those poor people who have lost everything. Please see various internet pages on how to donate and help (Red Cross is the best for your donations as they are charged with managing shelters during any emergency)
Thought I'd join the debate started by Thomaso276. (contains some unattributed press quotes)
First, an administration that since Sept. 11, 2001, has told us a major terrorist strike is inevitable, should have had in place a well-elaborated plan for evacuating a major American city. Even if there wasn't a specific plan for New Orleans -- although it was clear that a breach of the city's levees was one of the likeliest natural catastrophes -- there should have been a generic plan. George W. Bush said time and again that American cities were threatened. Shouldn't he have ordered up a plan to get people out?
Someone should have thought about what to do with hundreds of thousands of evacuees, both in the days after a disaster and in the long term. Does the White House really believe that primary responsibility should fall on volunteers, church groups and individuals? Or is it just stunning incompetence and lack of foresight?
How could the government have been so unready for a crisis that was so widely predicted? It is simply not true, as Mr. Bush has said, that nobody 'anticipated the breach of the levees.' In fact, experts inside and outside of government have issued repeated warnings for years about the city's unique topography and vulnerability, and those warnings were loudly and prominently echoed by the media both nationally and in Louisiana. For example see John McQuaid and Mark Schleifstein's award winning 5 part report from June 2002 http://www.nola.com/hurricane/?/washingaway/ in the Times-Picayune.
No-one can say this government shouldn't have known of the inevitability of this disaster unless drastic steps (I. E. Spending public money) were made.
So America, once famous for its can-do attitude, now has a can't-do government that makes excuses instead of doing its job. And while it makes those excuses, Americans are dying. I remember Bush's claim in the election campaign against Gore in 2000. Not the exact words, but he said something like "I'm a can-do guy, I've got the experience from being governor of Texas". Maybe these days the holidays take precedence over the doing.
At a fundamental level, I'd argue, America's current leaders just aren't serious about some of the essential functions of government. They like waging war, but they don't like providing security, rescuing those in need or spending on preventive measures. And they never, ever ask for shared sacrifice.
"Or is it just stunning incompetence and lack of foresight?" SteveC said. Yes, it is stunning incompetence and lack of foresight straight from the hands of a pack of ideological hacks. Well said, thank you, SteveC.
Thomaso276
09-06-05, 18:13
I do not disagree, but am pointing out that responsibility for these natural disasters start at the local and state level - that is clearly outlined in all emergency mgt. Plans. The federal government is not initially in charge of natural disasters. On the other hand there are many reports about FEMA being chopped up since being taken over by Homeland Security. My experience was before the takeover, so they may be less effective.
For example, in Florida (and most States are the same) the County Manager has to declare a disaster area for his county after conferring with the policy group of mayors, emergency manager, etc. Cities do not declare but provide input) the state (via the Governor) then authorizes state resources - such as state Emergency Operation Centers, State National Guard, State troopers, etc. With large hurricanes looming, they are usually warmed up and ready to be notified and immediately go into action. Then the State petitions the Federal Gov't. FEMA is also warmed up and ready to go. This can all be done quickly, but each level must fulfill it's obligation. As another example, the Red Cross is in charge of all shelters and charged with ensuring they are up to par. The Federal Gov't is not in charge of these concerns. The Sheriff's Office is supposed to handle security at shelters. Shelters of last resort have no standards. Shelters of last resort are completely unreliable. They are a lifeboat, not a cruise ship. My impression was that New Orleans used only shelters of last resort because people did not leave.
Each community has to determine how long it would take to evacuate their city. In my city and county it was about 12 hours (it was done many times) so a 24 hour hurricane warning still left time. If New Orleans was 48 hours for evacuation, then they have to start their warnings earlier. If you leave too late and are sitting stuck in traffic on a highway when the storm hits, your shelter of last resort is your car!
You may have noticed that the storm veered off at the last minute. Hurricanes are unpredictable up until 12-24 hours before landfall. Last year in Florida many emergency workers (power company trucks, tree trimmers, etc) were staged in Sarasota becasue one of the storms was going to hit Tampa the next day. Guess what? The storm veered and hit Sarasota locking in alot of emergncy repsonse people. Things go wrong, but people got out of the way and saved their lives. Over 200,000 people in New Orleans ignored or could not comply with evacuation. That is why this is such a disaster.
The Federal government does not identify shelters, verify code of shelters, put up signs on roads so folks know how to get out or how to get to a shelter of special needs, or manage shelters. Most shelters are schools, run by local school boards and under the State budget for education. I do not know of any Federal High Schools. This is a state and local responsibility.
If the local and state level dropped the ball (and judging by news accounts I believe they did) and performed poorly then the Feds are trying to play catch up. I'll guarantee you many elected officials and personnel from the affected areas attended Hurricane Planning and Mitigation two week courses at FEMA in Maryland. If you pay attention and learn the experience is invaluable, if you blow it off as just another conference you lose.
The training I attended was so intense some participants started crying! There is a two day real time hurricane disaster with fully operational centers, scenerios, phones, etc.
The state and local level also plans and trains for terrorist attacks but that is a federal issue - an act of war against the USA. Governors don't declare war. Just compare the performance of Guilliani to the Mayor of New Orleans or Pataki to the Governor of Louisiana. I saw the press conference this morning where the Dem. Governor had hired a retired expert (from FEMA? To advise her. Doesn't she have someone on staff being paid for this now? Oh yeah - here is info from their webpage:
"Since 1990, LHLS & EP has been under the leadership of two Directors, Major General Ansel M. Stroud and Major General Bennett C. Landreneau." And their last line: "The LHLS & EP staff in Baton Rouge is small when compared to other states, but remains poised and ready to serve the people of Louisiana at a moments notice."
I am not saying there isn't plenty of blame for this, but to single out Bush and the Feds is not fair because they do not run the City of New Orleans or the the State of Louisiana. They cannot respond until they are asked. If nobody asked until it was well into the disaster then the local officials are just covering their asses.
I noted there are some news bits about the La. Governor not wanting to give up control of law enforcement to the Feds. If the Feds are asking it is not because they want more responsibility (believe me nobody wants more responsibility during disasters there is plenty of work to be done) it is because they have no faith in the ability of the State to handle this crisis and decided if it wasn't being done correctly they had to take it over.
Finally if you were told that there would be a 80% chance of a train wreck on Sunday afternoon from the Retiro Station, would you get on a train to go to a BBQ at the Mansion. Would you get on the train without some first aid supplies, food, water and medicine if you were told there would be no guaranteed emergency response for up to 72 hours after the accident? There is little or no help available for up to 72 hours after a major hurricane hits. People have to plan for these events. This fact cannot be changed.
One Tree Hill
09-06-05, 19:14
Thomaso.
Truth logic and reason will never fly with THAT crowd. But I applaud your attempt.
Thomaso,
I don't disagree that local authorities have their roles to play and undoubtedly in this instance failed to respond adequately (possible understatement of the year). From your subsequent post, I'd agree your knowledge of that is certainly superior to mine. My pitch was that central government surely has overall responsibility for a disaster of this magnitude, especially it wasn't if, but when, it was going to happen. And could happen again to any major American city (natural disaster or terrorist attack).
One Tree Hill,
I'm always open to other arguments. Please let me know specifically where my truth, logic, and reason let me down. For instance, please tell me whether the report by John McQuaid and Mark Schleifstein in the Times-Picayune (www.nola.com/hurricane/?/washingaway/ wasn't in the public domain. And which particular crowd is it that I hang around with, assuming you include me in that statement?
Fuck Bush and that is all there is to it.
Daddy Rulz
09-07-05, 05:11
Thomaso.
Truth logic and reason will never fly with THAT crowd. But I applaud your attempt.OTH (who's posts about Pussy I love) please don't bring this sort of garbage into a serious debate. Are you saying Richard T and I are imune to logic and facts. How about this very simple fact. Last year the Army cops of Eng asjed for 180 million dollars to improve the levies around Lake Punch-my-train. They recieved 43 million dollars, However 280 million dollars of the billions in pork went to Alaska to build a bridge to an obscure island. Hmm Alaska red state, Republican senators. Looseanna blue state, mostly Democrats. Next year big flood but the federal government has no blame. Rove is putting the blame where? On the State of course, with it's dems in charge. When asked about a study to find who was at fault, Bush replies "There will be time to find fault later, right now lets save some lives." The fucking city is almost empty whos life is there to save? Why does nothing get investigated with this admin? Why because Congress calls special investigations. With Clinton in office we spent 50 million dollars to find out how he put a cigar in the fat chicks pussy. Lets see, Dem President, Rep congress hmmmm.
To Tomasos post. Yes sir I agree, the State and City didn't do shit. They let the good times roll and paid the price. The citizenry wasn't just forced to live like animals they became animals. They share their burden of blame without a doubt. No food, no water at the shelter they sent people. The cops taking off (I do believe some of those missing cops are dead though) Every negative stereotype of the welfare mentality on the 6 oclock news. I was going to open my home and let somebody stay here but I'll be damned if I'll take the chance on letting one of the animals in my house. I don't like the way this last week has effected me but I can't deny it has had an impact on me.
I worked a few of the evacuation flights on the ground when they landed and the amount of guns and drugs left on the planes (the people were told they would be searched before going into the shelters) was kinda fucking unbelievable. The people getting off the planes for the most part disgusted me. Not because they were black, not because they were dirty but because they were ungrateful. The only thanks I got was from my boss for donating my time and labor. I didn't expect a BBBJ but a "hey man thanks" would have been nice. I expect Texas will now see a severe rise in crime due to this migration.
My post may seem contradictory at first bitching about OTH reply and then saying what I did. It just pisses me off when anybody acts in a kneejerk manner. Argue your point I'll listen but don't group me in with anybody because I am in "that crowd" and I do think in a logical manner. I'm with Dickhead, I think our President is a disgrace. I think his administration is corupt. I don't understand why anybody on this board would be in support of them when it's always been the "conservatives" that are running you off to jail for buying a blow job.
I don't think there are any simple answers to these problems and certainly nothing that will make a good sound byte on the 6 oclock news. I think it's time poor blacks in the south stopped looking for somebody to give them something and started going to school, spending the time to get trained for better employment, learn to speak the language that the rest of the country speaks. I'm sick of not saying this like I'm sick of airport screeners searching mentally retarded people instead of just saying "All men between the ages of 16 and 45 of middle eastern disent must be stripped searched before flying. Lets start saying the problem simply. The poor, undereducated people in New Orleans did nothing to improve their lives in order to have the resources needed to flee the city did not even take the basic precautions to have any water or food. When they were stuck on their roof they didn't even snag a pot going by to boil some water. They Sat on their asses and complained that nobody came the day of the disaster to rescue their ass from the situation THEY put themselves into by the desicions they made not just that week but for their whole life. Lets start there, then lets go on to what responsibility the local government has (finally they are telling people if you stay we won't bring you any more water) Then lets REALLY find out whos to blame in this administration that has shown total indifferance to the poor in our country.
Sorry for this rambling disjointed post but I'm trying to work his shit out in my head. OTH again I fucking LOVE your pussy posts.
Bangkok Dave
09-07-05, 08:41
The mayor of New Orleans had 2000 school buses at his disposal and they never moved an inch. They are still sitting there.
How many people could he have evacuated with that many buses? Of course it's easier to sit on your ass and blame the federal government. After all, they have been providing free food stamps, free housing, and free medical care for the past two generations so why should the mayor not expect them to provide transportation out of the city?
Dave
Thomaso276
09-07-05, 12:15
Daddy R,
I agree with you points. I was trying to point out how the system works - or doesn't work. I am afraid you are right about Texas having future problems. Several years ago I was in Louisiana (Shrevesport) to work on an assessment team for their Sheriff. During a tour of the area I noticed Crips and Bloods (gang members) and asked how could that be. They were California problems.
It was explained that during the 70's when kids got in trouble or there were hard times they were shipped out to LA by their parents to live with other relatives. They returned fully indoctrinated into gangs and brought that back with them. Texas will be absorbing alot of problems in the next couple of years.
I can't get on a plane without taking off my shoes, but planeloads of people can bring arsenals and pharmacies.
There are many things about Bush and the conservatives I do not like. What I like even less is people who do not take care of their own lives and then expect others to be responsible. Here come the tax increases!
Finally, this morning, the Mayor of NO is on TV speaking clearly and issuing directives. I think he got some overnight training and advice on how to lead in a disaster and what his responsibilities are. This is a good sign of correcting mistakes and moving on. These people who stayed behind have got to get out. They are complicating recovery and forcing agengies to use resources better deployed elsewhere. They are putting rescue and recovery teams at risk with their stubborness and will soon be ignored completely. When that happens the critics will start all over again about how no one helped the needy. Grab them by the collar, throw them in a boat and fly them out.
Good luck and thanks for the efforts with the evacuees. By the way, just ignore the low-lifes and concentrate on those really in need. Low-lifes never say thank you. They will soon be housed in the Texas Prison System because they will not change their ways.
I have noticed a number of posts from Neocons (or their supporters) about how 'they' the 'liberals' cannot be reasoned with. First, off the word liberal derives partially from the word liberty and conservative? Well, it starts with con-meaning against. I guess they are against liberty.
Interesting position to take from a political party (sorry to lump you all together) that is known to be the most inflexible of any in the past decades or more.
Example- when asked during the debate, Bush admitted that he could not remember any mistake he had every made regarding his political decisions (he did admit, albeit indirectly, that he was a drunk and whored around when 'younger')
What fucking arrogance! This administration and the party in general are completely arrogant, inflexible and possibly the more dangerous since the Nixon administration. However, because Bush has passed laws to restrict public access to what our government is doing, we won't know the shit he is doing until long after his death.
It is a dangerous time. We are more hated now by more countries, our own government is creating more laws restricting us while letting corporation do whatever the fuck they want. We are becoming isolated and not by our choice. This can only make things worse and for those who say, were the most powerful so fuck the rest of the world. The old axiom of what goes around comes around can and probably will be applied to us in the realitively near future.
This admin doesn't give a shit about people, only money, corporate influence and bullying. Their actions are 100% contradictory to their words, it is unfortuante the public is too busy, stupid or blind to this.
JMO.
Suerte,
Stowe
Oh, and by the way I was a Republican until 1991 when the party took a very wide turn to the extreme.
I looked up the word "illogical" in the dictionary and it said. "A person who likes to fuck hookers but is a Republican."
Daddy Rulz
09-07-05, 13:13
I'm really struggling with this. I'm sick to fucking death of the entitlement shit of most Democrates (not so much the party but the members) Get a fucking job and live within your means what the fuck. I can't fucking stand the elitism of the Republicans (we got ours fuck you) This war in Iraq is a fucking sham, He's still beating the Sadam 911 connection regardless of the fact that his own Congress released the report saying there isn't one. I'm sick of the NeoCons talking about Democrate tax and spend when the two biggest deficits in our nations history were run up by Republicans. I guess lowering taxes while increasing spending makes sense on some worlds but I'm not allowed to write hot checks.
I think if Bruce and Bruce want to get married it's none of my fucking business. But then the "liberal" coalition on the supreme court says that the inbreed local government can condem the land that has been in a family for 10 generations to build a strip mall on it if the increase in tax base helps the comunity. It's like everywhere you turn there is an idiot taking some major shit from you.
I didn't lose much in this pension fiasco but let me tell you the widespread defaulting of pensions along with the restructuring of SS is going to put some poor fucking old people into the system. Perhaps the right to lifers will take another look at ethinasia. I'm also sick of most union members (and I'm in one) thinking that being in one means you get more shit while giving less work. I wish I had the talent it takes to be an entrepenur but I don't. I'm smart but not that kind of smart, I'll probably always be a working stiff. But I understand that in order for my company to thrive all of it's employees must produce more than they recieve or else the company goes away.
If the republicans in this country actually practiced the values they say they hold I would probably be one. When we invaded Iraq they were all beating the patriot drum. Almost ALL of the Sr officials had multiple deferments during Vietnam and with the exception of two Congressmen (or Senators I'm not sure) NONE of their kids where there. (Michael Moore is an asshole but he was right about that) I'm sick of this administration not responding to legitamate critisizm and passing laws hiding what they do. I'm also sick of the opposition siezing ANY little thing and trying to make it a big deal. If Rove leaked that shit about the CIA lady and it was against the law let him call Johnny fucking Cochran (except he's dead) and try him. I think ALL of those fuckers leak shit to the press, though Rove is one vindictive amoral son of a *****, so why are they crying when He does it.
One of the reasons I'm moving to Argentina is because the people there understand that their government is full of lying corrupt bastards and they by and large ignore it. Here most of these idiots actually still believe one side is better than the other and they are giving this regeim way to much power. I'm telling you that soon you will see the EEUU on those lists of none transparent governments. The Patriot Act guts 1 and 4 and lawsuits and court rulings have seriously hurt 5 and 7.
I know it's a rant and I know my spelling is terrible but I'm fed up and frustrated. I'm sick of lowest common denomonater government and a public policy made of 10 second sound bites. I think as a country we deserve more but we only have ourselves to blame for the shit we have. I love this country and the ideals it was founded on. I wish we could get back to them and fear we are in a serious decline that will see us lose what we have. I really do think we are a great country and I seriously am in love with it but I fear for it.
OslersVoice
09-07-05, 16:40
Anyone who has a shred of decency, sense or intelligence knows better than to get into politics!
Therefore, anyone who is in politics lacks most if not all of the three above traits.
I cannot agree more with Daddy Rulz and what he stated is one reason (the chicas are another) why I plan to move in a few years.
Both parties are pieces of shit. But if I had to say one was worse it is definitely the hypocritical Republicans, just like in the 60's and 70"s it was clearly the Democrats that were by far the more corrupt and incompetent party.
What gets me is that the US government is no less corrupt than Mexico or any other county, the primary difference is is that we legalize it and call it soft money or some other shit like that. At least the other countries don't try to hide and lie about their corruption.
Arrogance, hypocracy and self-righteous superiority piss me off more than any other personality traits and the Republicans have an overabundance of this.
Isn't it ironic that we are at war with religious fanatics and that is exactly what this administration and the core of the Republican party consist of. The Republicans hate government to interfere in people's lives yet they want a constitutional ammendment to prevent:
Abortion.
Buring the flag.
Gay marriage.
Am I missing a fourth?
Isn't that government intervention? And 2 of the 3 are based on religious principals. Interesting hypocracy.
JMO.
Suerte,
Stowe
OslersVoice
09-07-05, 19:08
The Republicans hate government to interfere in people's lives yet they want a constitutional ammendment to prevent:
Abortion.
Buring the flag.
Gay marriage.
Am I missing a fourth?
Suerte,
StoweHoward Stern
Both parties scare the crap out of me. The Democrats want to keep me safe from myself by taking away my assualt weapons. The Republicans will let me keep my assualt weapons if I let them keep the Patriot Act.
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!"
Benjamin Franklin
I think as a country we deserve more but we only have ourselves to blame for the shit we have.
I don't think it's the fault of most of us. I think there's a fanatical 20% of the population on the far left and another fanatical 20% on the far right that control the two party system. The other 60% of us would happily vote for a centrist leader from either party. But we never get that chance. We get to choose from a Massachusettes senator and a Texas governor for god's sake. Well given that choice slightly more of the 60% in the middle is inclined to be conservative, so the Republicans really have no reason to change their actions. I just wish the Democrats would get it together enough to run someone electable. That would force the Republicans toward the center too.
Nuevo Espanol
09-10-05, 21:13
Lets leave the arena of opinion for a moment.
Here is a link to some real photos of new orleans.
http://www.kodakgallery.com/Slideshow.jsp?mode=fromshare&Uc=14ewb3ap.b147fdut&Uy=nyvoby&Ux=1
Suerte.
Nuevo
Oh man, can we have this board as at least one place where we don't talk about religion or politics? Can we stick to just "living the good life down Argentina way"?
Daddy Rulz
09-10-05, 23:40
Except I've really enjoyed this thread. Good thing it's not mixed in with the pussy. For the most part I'm excited about the respect being paid to different points of view. I wish there was more of that in real life here.
Blow it out your ear Hunt. You polluted FlyerTalk with political crap for years. Paybacks are a motherfucker. Tough finding out what people really think of your beloved right wing government, isn't it?
Hunt99,
If you don't like it, its pretty easy to avoid. Just don't click on the page marked "American Politics". The Argentina Board is a different class than the others. Some of us live here and like to talk about life here and other stuff just comes up. And blame the boss, he started it: Jackson: "Frankly, I'm sick of listening to the liberal drivel offered up by CNN". If that's not a political statement, then I'm a monkey's uncle.
"How many members of the Bush Administration are needed to change a light bulb?
The Answer is:
TEN:
1. One to deny that a light bulb needs to be changed,
2. One to attack the patriotism of anyone who says the light bulb needs to be changed,
3. One to blame Clinton for burning out the light bulb,
4. One to tell the nations of the world that they are either for changing the light bulb or for darkness,
5. One to give a billion-dollar no-bid contract to Halliburton for the new light bulb,
6. One to arrange a photograph of Bush, dressed as a janitor, standing on a stepladder under the banner "Light Bulb Change Accomplished,"
7. One administration insider to resign and write a book documenting in detail how Bush was literally "in the dark,"
8. One to viciously smear #7,
9. One surrogate to campaign on TV and at rallies on how George Bush has had a strong light-bulb-changing policy all along,
And finally:
10. One to confuse Americans about the difference between screwing a light bulb and screwing the country."
Daddy Rulz
09-11-05, 01:26
Why aren't all the fiscaly conservative Republicans up in arms about the relationship between Halliburton and the administration? This really is a serious question and not ment as a flame. Those guys keep getting caught overcharging, the deficit continues to grow. The statement that only Halliburton can do the work they do has to be wearing thin. I don't understand why you guys aren't asking for more accountability from the administration you support.
Give me liberal drivel or give me death.
Jackpot
"You've done a great job, Brownie."
George Bush 2005
Hunt99. If you don't like it, its pretty easy to avoid. Just don't click on the page marked "American Politics". The Argentina Board is a different class than the others. Some of us live here and like to talk about life here and other stuff just comes up. And blame the boss, he started it: Jackson: "Frankly, I'm sick of listening to the liberal drivel offered up by CNN". If that's not a political statement, then I'm a monkey's uncle.No. If you bring politics into this board by a thread, it will contaminate all the other ones. These kinds of discussions are the AIDS virus of internet bulletin boards. This claim that "ignore it if you don't like it" doesn't wash. Not here, not anywhere else. People will disagree, strongly, when you debate politics and religion on a board. And it WILL carry over to discussions about virtually everything else.
If you want to read and debate peoples' opinions about politics, why not go to www.democraticunderground.com or www.freerepublic.com.
This is a board about sex and living the good life, not about insane anti-Bush bashing or the Republican equivalent. The anonymity of the internet tends to make online conversations (especially political and religious ones) the overweening province of people who want to stick pins, push buttons, and stir shit up. The Harvard Debating Society it ain't. Heck, I sat at a dinner a few months ago with a regular poster here who - to my face - was polite, proper, and friendly. When he got a chance to go back to the anonymity of the board, he starting acting like the fatass jerk that I knew before having met him in person. And this was totally without any political differences ever coming into the equation. And you want to add on debates about peoples' deeply-held personal beliefs in the hope that it will raise the tone of discussion on the board? It will just add hard feelings into the mix when discussing anything else.
And finally, you can't compare an off-handed comment that Jackson may have thrown out to deliberately making up controversial and offensive threads designed to infuriate at least half of the readership of the board.
Liberals Suck Ass. Bunch of Socialist who are trying to find fault with Bush to compensate for losing the election a 2nd time around for the White House and continuing to lose members in the Senate and The House. If the liberal cause was so great and supported by so many people, the DemoKrats wouldn't be losing seats in the Congress.
All Hail Bush, he has the balls to fight. Liberals just put their head in the sand and hope the bad people go away.
Bush had the "balls" to send other people to fight for oil, while he himself is a draft dodging coward.
By the way, Hunt, Thomaso didn't start this thread. His message was originally posted somewhere else (I think in the DirectTV thread). So, I'm pretty sure Jackson himself started the thread and moved Thomaso's post over here.
Po Monkey.
"Liberals Suck Ass. Bunch of Socialist who are trying to find fault with Bush".
Are you saying Liberals are Socialists? Bit like saying Conservatives are Fascists. Not sure of your political analysis here. Maybe you could explain further. And as for finding fault with Bush, there are plenty of Republicans around thinking the same right now. Or are they closet socialists too?
"All Hail Bush, he has the balls to fight. Liberals just put their head in the sand and hope the bad people go away".
We all know about Bush and his devoted service (or not) but what about Cheney. Do you know how many times he refused (always with a good reason of course) to serve in Vietnam? Is he a liberal too?
Hunt99
"People will disagree, strongly, when you debate politics and religion on a board."
Or agree. But we're all big boys here right?
"And it WILL carry over to discussions about virtually everything else."
Afraid I have to disagree, I haven't noticed any comments on this subject on any other thread. That's why we have as a separate thread "American Politics" and the generally mature tone of the board is honored here. Under the heading Chit Chat, and I'm quoting directly here from the front page of the forum, words by Jackson.
"This is the place to discuss politics, sports or anything else not directly related to visiting Argentina and chasing chicas.". Please note the inclusion of the word politics in the list of suggested subjects.
Again, if anyone isn't interested, please ignore these posts, like I do to anything posted by NIBU. Which is why he has his own section, so anyone who doesn't want to read it can ignore it. There are people who contribute to his posts and enjoy the discussion, as on this thread.
And to put the record straight, Thomaso276 really started this discussion (in a very reasonable way) on the Direct TV thread, (09-06-05 13.47) to which I responded. It was moved (presumably by Jackson, thanks!) to this location.
Hey, I loved the 10 Republican reasons when a light bulb goes out! How accurate to their behavior.
As a former Republican (until 1991)-the current crop of right-wing Republicans controlling / leading are a bunch of fucking Nazi's. This is based strictly on their words and actions with regards to their attitude about starting wars, treatment of prisioners, protection of our personal rights, freedoms and privacy and the rights of other countries to have the government of their own choosing.
If the political direction of this country continues as is, the analogy to Nazi's will become more accurate and more apparent.
Suerte,
Stowe
Daddy Rulz
09-11-05, 23:53
The way to deal with a stupid person is simply ignore them. There is a lot of intelligent discussion and examination of different beliefs happening in this thread and I'm enjoying it. As far as the idiots that spew nonsence they are nothing more than drunk teenage hecklers. Perhaps they may develope an idea they didn't get from either Al Franken or Bill O'Riely but I doubt it. I despise jingoism no matter the source.
Hunt99,
"People will disagree, strongly, when you debate politics and religion on a board."
Or agree. But we're all big boys here right?No, we're all not. Some of us carry around grudges and chips on our shoulders, and politics is as hot-button a topic as they come.
"And it WILL carry over to discussions about virtually everything else."
Afraid I have to disagree, I haven't noticed any comments on this subject on any other thread. Heck, even my dear colleague Richard T is pissed off at me because of some political comments he thinks I made on an entirely different board. So I think the spillover is starting. Of course I hope I am proved wrong in the end.
That's why we have as a separate thread "American Politics" and the generally mature tone of the board is honored here. Under the heading Chit Chat, and I'm quoting directly here from the front page of the forum, words by Jackson.
"This is the place to discuss politics, sports or anything else not directly related to visiting Argentina and chasing chicas.". Please note the inclusion of the word politics in the list of suggested subjects.Even the mighty Jackson makes mistakes, as I have no problem telling him to his face from time to time. ;)
It always seems silly to me when people claim that Bush was a draft dodging coward. It seems about as politcally relevant as the Monica Lewinski "scandal". Almost everybody tried to evade serving in Vietnam, which by the way is nearly 40 years ago. And the politicians that did go, like Kerry and Gore, seem to grossly exagerate their "combat" experience. Again, is this at all relevant? I don't think one had to have extremely stong contacts to "legitimately" get out of that war, and Bush definitely had them. I ask people like my dad, who served there, about the war and he'll tell you that he would have avoided it if possible. But he was basically a poor man and it was basically a poor man's war.
Daddy Rulz
09-13-05, 00:09
It always seems silly to me when people claim that Bush was a draft dodging coward. It seems about as politcally relevant as the Monica Lewinski "scandal". Almost everybody tried to evade serving in Vietnam, which by the way is nearly 40 years ago. And the politicians that did go, like Kerry and Gore, seem to grossly exagerate their "combat" experience. Again, is this at all relevant? I don't think one had to have extremely stong contacts to "legitimately" get out of that war, and Bush definitely had them. I ask people like my dad, who served there, about the war and he'll tell you that he would have avoided it if possible. But he was basically a poor man and it was basically a poor man's war.My issue with Bush and the war is simple. He portrays himself as this tough talking fit kick your ass kind of guy. Willing to send another generation of poor sons to fight a pretty meaningless war (Afganistan I supported, Iraq I thought when we invaded and continue to think is a serious mistake) but was unwilling to do so himself. I'm a veteran and I agree that I probably would have done what I could to avoid Vietnam. But I don't dress up in flight suits for photo ops taking the glory from the Joes that did the work. I agree that his service is not relevant to the job at hand but the image that he cultivates really pisses me off.
I even agree that Gore would have made an abysmal President and Kerry was a poor pick. However attacking his war record was horrible, on par with attacking Max Cleland and saying he was unpatriotic. The swiftys were guys that felt he broke ranks upon his return and have nursed a grudge for a lot of years and leveled baseless and unprovable allegations against him. They were financed by an ultra right wing business man from Houston their only mission was to caste doubt by telling lies.
Again I would have avoided it if possible but stop acting like this warrior 40 years later. It's easy to be brave when somebody elses ass is on the line. All three of my Uncles that served in Vietnam went as volenters. It's their service I think he is shamed by. Three poor kids that believed in their country and answered the call.
All these God damn wars and we've never once been invaded militarily. The Méxican War was a land grab on a flimsy pretext. So was the Spanish-American War. And don't get me started about the revolution we fomented in Panama to steal the land for the canal. Why do we have to do this shit? We have plenty of resources. What business is it of ours if Guatemala wants to elect a socialist like Jacobo Arbenz in 1954? Why did we overthrow that government? Because the Secretary of State's brother was running the United Fruit Company and he wanted to hold down the wages of the banana pickers. What a load of shit. And what about overthrowing the freely and peacefully elected Allende government in Chile? They're gonna elect another socialist in the next election. Are we going to overthrow that one too?
Notice how we pick on small, weak countries. Brazil elected a socialist in Inacio Lula da Silva and we don't fuck with them; they are big and have a lot of resources.
Of course not too many neocons have studied history, or they couldn't possibly become neocons. Oh, well; I voted with my feet and am no longer paying US taxes to support immoral wars so I guess that is the best I can do for now, besides voting for whatever jackass the Democrats nominate.
We support coup d' etats to over throw legitimate governments and invade weaker countries because of the one thing that makes us American, ruthless greed.
After spending several years in the "War on Terror" I finally wised up and realized that there was more money being made in contracting in one year than most soldiers make in 20 years of service, if they're lucky enough to survive that long and return home with all of their body parts.
Veteran and retirement "benefits" has to be the biggest fucking joke played on soldiers. Walmart has better prices than the Post Exchange and private insurance companies have lower premiums for the same coverage as VGLI. Get a leg blown off and they'll give you 20% of your base pay for disability. Whoop dee fucking doo!
I say give all the War Mongers a fucking rifle and send them to Iraq!
"Why do we have to do this shit? We have plenty of resources."
At least thru the early 20th century, how did the USA get all most of its territory and resources? By taking it, usually by force, whether it was from the British, the Mexicans, or the "Native" Americans.
"What business is it of ours if Guatemala wants to elect a socialist like Jacobo Arbenz in 1954? Why did we overthrow that government? Because the Secretary of State's brother was running the United Fruit Company and he wanted to hold down the wages of the banana pickers. What a load of shit. And what about overthrowing the freely and peacefully elected Allende government in Chile?"
Most of the relatively small conflicts of the 2nd half of the 20th century were due to the Cold War. You think that some tiny country can't cuase a major threat? One little island of Cuba and its alignment with the USSR probably brought the world closer to nuclear disaster in 1962 than it ever was. I understand most of the meddling that the US did in the Americas during the Cold War and unfortunately it was probably necessary. I don't think is was necessary to try and intervene in places like Vietnam. Argentina, Chile, Mexico, Brasil, and countless other countries were very left-leaning at that time, and many still are (plus Uruguay, plus Venezuela)
The reason we don't mess with these countries now is because the Cold War is over. The USA would have neutralized Lula and Chavez in a heartbeat 30 years ago before permitting their election.
The revolution in Guatemala didn't have one fucking thing to do with the Cold War. Zero. Ever study it? I wrote a thirty page original research paper on it, with over 100 footnotes, which was accepted for presentation at the annual Phi Alpha Theta conference (that is the national history honor society). It was all 100% corporate greed and anything to the contrary was just spin doctoring by the Eisenhower administration.
But you believe what you want.
"Why do we have to do this shit? We have plenty of resources."
What I meant by that was that the land stolen from the indigenous natives and purchased in the Louisiana Purchase (from others who had stolen it from the indigenous natives) was / is fertile and had / has many resources such as coal. Also it had / has good waterways. So was it really necessary to steal more land just to get other resources such as gold and copper?
At what point in US history did stealing land and resources change from acceptable to not acceptable? Who was it acceptable to steal from and who was it not acceptable to steal from?
As I wrote, MOST, not all, of US intervention in the Americas during part2 of the 20th century was due to the cold war. What is unbelievable or even questionable about this?
Daddy Rulz
09-14-05, 04:21
At what point in US history did stealing land and resources change from acceptable to not acceptable? Who was it acceptable to steal from and who was it not acceptable to steal from?Richard T this is a good question and one I have often wondered about. The brits still refer to some parts of the world as land "won by right of conquest" I don't know where it is but I remember reading it and having it stick in my memory.
I think it has something to do with Womens sufferage. I think the western world generally became more pussyfied when they had female voters to answer to. All that touchy feely crap. One of the enduring lessons of history I think is, if your unable to hold on to your shit somebody will take it. War is nothing but larceny on a national scale most times. I'm not saying I oppose it at all times but really in essence that's pretty much what it seems to me.
One Tree Hill
09-15-05, 00:08
Why is it that almost without exception the most hateful, venomous, unhappy, sad and resentful people are usually liberals?
Why is it that liberals almost always resort to name calling and mean spiritedness?
Why is it that liberals can not engage in political banter with out making it personal?
Why is it that liberals who detest censorship of any type are always trying to censor others?
This should be interesting.
(BTW - democrat does not always = liberal)
One Tree Hill
09-15-05, 00:32
I looked up the word "illogical" in the dictionary and it said. "A person who likes to fuck hookers but is a Republican."Why must liberals always pidgeon hole people?
What does Republican have to do pussy?
Do you ever look inwards with such criticism?
I remember (this is at least 13 years ago) Bush senior making a statement duing one of his State of the Union addresses. He basically said that liberals were people who couldn't relax or sleep at night because they were too worried that someone, somewhere, might be having a good time.
Amazing how one's views are so distorted. I will only submit this one post because like my father always said, don't argue with a fool or you will become one yourself.
Neocons should look at themselves just a bit more closely. They have become, perhaps, the most hateful / corrupt party in our history.
They hate gays and lesbians.
They hate evolution and anything else having to do with scientific fact-like global warming, polution, etc.
They pretty much hate anyone who isn't white.
They hate anyone who isn't a religous fanatic--like themselves.
They love only the rich and powerful, thus they hate the poor, the weak.
They hate protecting the environment-money / greed is more important.
They hate the UN and any country that disagrees with them.
They are also the most hypocritical:
They believe in less government and fiscal restraint- yet they are responsible for the largest deficit in our history (now and when Reagan was Prez)
They want Amendments against:
Burning the flag.
Gay marriage.
Prayer in school (amendment for this)
How is that keeping government out of our lives and out of our bedrooms?
Corruption-ever hear of:
Halliburton.
Oil companies.
Soft corporate money.
Sorry for the rant.
Stowe
Daddy Rulz
09-15-05, 04:22
Why is it that almost without exception the most hateful, venomous, unhappy, sad and resentful people are usually liberals?
Why is it that liberals almost always resort to name calling and mean spiritedness?
Why is it that liberals can not engage in political banter with out making it personal?
Why is it that liberals who detest censorship of any type are always trying to censor others?
This should be interesting.
(BTW - democrat does not always = liberal)Is it liberals that ban books because some knowledge may "corrupt" our youth or would that be conservatives.
Liberals and name calling? Would it have been a liberal that put a poll in the field during the 2000 primary's asking people in the south if they would vote for John McCain knowing he was the Father of an illegitamate black child? (Hint GW's hatchet man Carl Rove, brilliant move though totally lacking in ethics but brilliant)
The liberals I knw don't resort to name calling but if saying our President and his administration is a corrupt disgrace is name calling then I'm guilty. However I'm also prepared to defend why I think that is true if you are prepared to rebut with facts. Most of the NeoCons I know resort to sound bites when debating.
Actually though I don't think of myself as a liberal. I detest fanatasism of any kind. I think I'm pretty moderate. I believe that less government is better (don't even try to talk about tax and spend Dems it's your guys that are increasing the size of Government not ours) I believe that if Bob and Bob want to get married they should be able to. I believe if your church doesn't want to marry Bob and Bob they shouldn't have to. I believe that like me, government should balance their fucking checkbook. I believe the founders wanted us to have guns in case we ever needed to kick the bastards out. Assault weapons work best. I think it's better to keep serial killers alive in prison so they can be passed around like packs of cigaretts for the rest of their life. I think that the reason prohibition was repealed (you can't keep people from doing what they want to do) is good enough reason to stop crowding the prisons with reefer people. I believe their should be term limits in congress, that it should pay worse and that legislators should NOT be able to exempt themselves from the law. I believe that the power to call special investigative commitees should rest with the party NOT in power but if nothing comes from the investigation all costs should come from the reelection funds of whoever called it.
OTH I do like your posts about pussy but you haven't said shit about what you believe here. All you have done is repeat the tired sound bites you hear from Rush and off of Fox (choke choke) news. Tell me what you think I believe as a liberal, and then tell me in measured words that have a basis in fact not conjecture why you think I'm wrong for believing it. Honestly I don't think you have the stones for it. I think all we will see is another hate rant.
One Tree Hill
09-15-05, 17:11
Sadly you had to throw in a personal attack for good measure.
"Honestly I don't think you have the stones for it."
That is why you get NO response."No Soup for You!"
One Tree Hill
09-15-05, 17:24
No more mindless banter. Got a weekend visitor arrivng in mere hours.
I will busy for the next three days.
BTW - She is a republican that is very liberal in tha sack!!
Daddy Rulz
09-16-05, 01:09
Sadly you had to throw in a personal attack for good measure.
"Honestly I don't think you have the stones for it."
That is why you get NO response."No Soup for You!"An attack would have been "You don't have the stones for it" and opinion is "I don't think you have the stones for it". In any event it seems I was right.
Check it out. The Bush Administration thinks Roe vs. Wade means two good ways to evacuate a flooded city.
OslersVoice
09-16-05, 10:43
Check it out. The Bush Administration thinks Roe vs. Wade means two good ways to evacuate a flooded city.ROTFLMAO!
Damn it! Now I gotta clean off the coffee I spewed on the monitor!
Thanks alot DH!
This is for One Tree Hill, Moore, or anyone else willing to admit that they support the party of the religious extremists and Bush: Why are you not absolutely terrified that your ability to enjoy sex by contract (the raison d'etre of this forum) will be taken away even more severely than it has been already? Along with a host of other liberties? With "your team" on the "sup court" will you be jacking off to pictures stashed away in 5 years because this forum has been outlawed, along with sexy pictures; or there is a law making it illegal for an American to contract a prostitute anywhere in the world (similar to the underage sex law)?
One Tree, we have talked a few times, and I know from your posts that you are a young man who enjoys sex with women. You have a lot of years to worry about. I probably won't be ABLE to have sex in 5 years, but will probably just break the law if I am able, having little to lose. But you will have a serious problem if we end up with 5 Scalia types on the "sup court". How do you sleep? This is what DH was referring to about the illogic of Republicans being mongers.
Daddy Rulz, I loved your talk about becoming Libertarian. I have been thinking exactly the same way for years. I was Republican in the 70's, but started switching to the Dems because of the Reagan years. But the Dems scare me now, too. Where are the Jeffersonian democrats when we need them?
Dickhead, since you studied Guatemala, you should start following what looks like Guatemala revisited, possibly worse.
There was a lot of press in Paraguay about the US troops when I was there May-July, most of it negative. They were especially unhappy about the US forcing the legal immunity for the troops down their throats. But it appears that worse is still to come.
I have seen a few pieces that say the US is lying about building a base in Paraguay (which seems obvious, actually) and is building one in the Chaco in the gas fields, not far from Bolivia. The immediate purpose of the troops is ostensibly to support Paraguay and fight terrorism in the triple frontier. But it seems the real reason is the gas and oil in Bolivia, and probably the gas in the Chaco. It seems that the lies and bullying are incredibly brazen. Of course, the US is starting to worry a little about Brazil, and would like a base a little closer to them as well, I suspect.
Bolivia has unrest because the people want to nationalize the gas and oil, the energy companies want to steal it. It seems that the energy interests are trying to foment a secessionist movement to separate the provinces with the oil and gas, if necessary. If that happens, there will be massive unrest, possibly civil war. The US, with a base in the area, will obviously support the interests of the energy companies and help them steal the oil and gas. Always talking about the "rule of law" at the same time, of course. Interestingly, the same sort of situation could develop with the gas in Paraguay, with an attempt to split the gas containing Chaco from Paraguay. There are few people up there, and the energy companies will probably soon control the area if the gas looks viable. We could have unrest again in Paraguay as well.
This situation is developing now, so stay tuned. As this develops, we could see Americans become even more unwelcome in Brazil, Bolivia, and Paraguay. And Argentina could become very upset with the US as well.
Read NewAmericanCentury. Org. This is a 98 page manifesto written in the late 1990's but a bunch of Necons on how the US should develop a military base in the Middle East to protect our oil interests, develop a base in South America and increase our military influence in Asia.
It also advocated bankrupting the country as an excuse to force the elimination of Medicare, Social Security, welfare and all other 'government' programs (aren't the military and corporate welfare government programs?
7 of the authors were subsequently placed in the Bush administration-the most notible, Paul Wolfewitz (spelling? And based on currently trends, most, if not all, of those recommendations by the authors is exactly what is happening now.
However, Republicans don't want to know the truth. Consider the 200 billion Bush has said we may have to pay for New Orleans. Bush says fuck raising taxes or even eliminating the tax cuts on the rich. Just increase the debt more. Another push toward bankrupting this country and possbily destroying more lives than the Great Depression ever did.
I thought it was the Republicans that were fiscal conservatives.
When Reagan took office the debt was only around 500 billion-manageable. This was a debt created over 35 years. 8 years later after he left it was over 4 trillion. When Bush 2 took office we had a forecasted trillion dollar surplus. We are now projected to have a debt of close to 7-8 trillion in 10 years.
Sorry, I should blind some people with facts.
Suerte,
Stowe
Anybody interested in talking about pussy? Anybody? Bueller? Bueller?
One Tree Hill
09-18-05, 12:40
"When Reagan took office the debt was only around 500 billion-manageable. This was a debt created over 35 years. 8 years later after he left it was over 4 trillion."
1) Presidents do not make budgets nor appropriate money. Congress does. What party held the Senate and Congress during the Reagan years?
2) Reagan tax cuts resulted in a near doubling of IRS revenues in 8 Years.
3) The democratically held house / senate traded Reagans desire to rebuild our military (remember the Carter fiasco?) And accordingly appropriated funds, for their spending spree on social issues and other pork.
4) Did the trade pay off? Well we went from 22% interest rates to near 5% and had the biggest economic recovery in our history. We also gained respect militarily and quickend the end of the Soviet Empire.
Isn't it nice not to have discussions of pending nuclear destruction and global destruction? Of course we could have been nice and made friends with the soviets like the libs wanted and dismantled our weapons while allowing them to keep theirs a show of good faith). On second thought fuck that. Strength gets peace not bleeding hearts.
One Tree Hill
09-18-05, 12:49
Total IRS tax revenues During the Reagan era:
1980 $519,375,273 Coming in to office.
1981 $606,799,103
1982 $632,240,506
1983 $627,246,793
1984 $680,475,229
1985 $742,871,541
1986 $782,251,812
1987 $886,290,590
1988 $935,106,594
1989 $1,013,322,133 Leaving office.
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/04db07co.xls
Cutting taxes has NOTHING to do with creating national debt in this case. Its all about spending. Especially considering a near doubling of revenues in 8 yrs.
Bueller?
Bueller?
Bueller?
One Tree Hill
09-18-05, 13:10
Check it out. The Bush Administration thinks Roe vs. Wade means two good ways to evacuate a flooded city.Even Republicans have a sense of humor!:)
Damn nice catch!
Also it's important to note that everyone does not have to have the same political opinion and that politics and pussy can indeed be kept separate. Like I've mongered with OTH quite a few times and I never had any idea whether he was left / right Dem / Rep or whatever. Now that he's out of the closet I'll still monger with him and I still won't discuss politics with him. Of course now that I am living here I don't really give a shit how fucked up things are up there.
I keep trying to show this situation in a light more germane to my interests and those of this forum. Why can't you guys learn? In the US, pussy IS politics. That is why we call it sex prison. It is the biggest, strongest issue in the country. Those people in the Midwest and south who got hammered by Katrina were capable of generating a lot of attention and action to make sure we never see another tit on national TV after the Super Bowl, but little on hurricane protection. They know their priorities. I hope they are happy with the result.
For me, especially as regards pussy, this is about extremist suppression versus freedom and tolerance.
What I can never understand is what the people who support the extreme right get out of it. Presumably, one does the things one does because one gets something in return for doing them. But these people generally create miserable lives for themselves.
Moore's comment of 9-15-05: "He basically said that liberals were people who couldn't relax or sleep at night because they were too worried that someone, somewhere, might be having a good time." was stolen by Bush.
Sorry Moore, I first heard that statement at least 30 years ago, in this form: "A pilgrim is a person who lives in mortal terror that someone, somewhere, is having a good time.". In this form it is correct. The pilgrim ethic worships hardship and misery in life. The religious extremists still worship this ethic. They constantly talk of "the narrow, difficult path of righteousness", as opposed to the "broad, easy path of sin". The Republicans force themselves to outwardly conform to this ethic to maintain the support of the extremists. The sickest thing to me is that their concept of the "narrow, difficult" primarily applies only to sex in its various aspects. They have no problems with lying, cheating, extortion, stealing, murder. They can rationalize anything but sex.
Consider the ridiculous situation of Bill Gates. Here is a man who is worth $40 billion, has thousands of employees dependent on him, and some would say is responsible for a big chunk of the US economy. But he cannot:
1. Assume legal responsibility for 1 child, even his own. In any dispute with Melinda, he loses his children. It would be extremely difficult to have a child legally his own by any means.
2. Get laid or do much of anything else entertaining without begging Melinda. If he pisses her off, he loses the kids. He is in this regard practically her slave.
3. Get his load off in any legal or practical way when he wants to, without hiding somewhere in his house and jacking off. He can't even leave the country easily.
So what does he get for his $40 Billion? Not much. He generally lives a boring, miserable life. His 40,000 sq. Ft. House doesn't mean shit. I lived in a 4BR, etc. House alone for 22 yrs. Its nice when you want to take a walk at night inside. I would not consider trading places with him, because I would have to give up the opportunity to pursue these gorgeous women.
Do these executives and politicos support men's rights? Or freedom of belief, thought, and non destructive action? Or this forum and what it stands for? No. They, in their "ruthless greed" support policies that destroy the lives of millions to provide the opportunity to acquire more, but the "more" does not benefit them. This has to be the most twisted, deviate attitude imaginable, because I cannot believe that most of them actually have the beliefs of the extremists. They have a policy of acquisition solely for the sake of acquisition. The party of the religious extremists is the republicans, but nearly all male executives and politicos kowtow to them.
Then all of you people who support extremism, why? I understand that politics makes strange bedfellows, but trust me: If these people get in control they will make things worse that will not be corrected in your lifetime.
The other form of extremism regarding pussy is what scares me about the democrats now. In order to buy their silence and save his job, Clinton sold the party to the feminists. And they are the other side of the vice that we find ourselves in. So it is impossible to unquestioningly support the democrats. The biggest issues saving us are abortion, birth control, and gay rights. The straight feminists want abortion and the lesbian feminists want to get married. The religious extremists hate both. This keeps the women from fully aligning with their historical partner, the church. They have to give lip service to all rights in order to obtain the rights that they want. But watch out. After gay marriage is accepted, the women will find a reason why it is okay for women but not for men, and try to create laws against gay male marriage.
On feminist extremism, I mentioned the idea of a law preventing contractual sex for Americans all over the world. This is probably the greatest immediate danger we face. There is a concerted campaign, especially among UN groups, to generate hysteria about prostitution. Mostly it is now in the form of report after report filled with outrageous lies and statistics about forced prostitution, trafficking internationally in women, and so on. These reports are dutifully reported by the press, without challenge. Later, the feminists will quote these reports in further pushes for action. This technique was extremely effective in creating worldwide hysteria about kidnapping and international trafficking in children, a problem that never existed to any extent. But feminists were able to gain a lot of attention and power over the issue. Every time you see mention of "sex tourism" you can believe that the idea behind it is a law against contracting prostitutes worldwide. And yes, you can just break it, but the problem is you become extortion bait.
That is why I tend to agree with the "Libertarian" idea. But we as mongers need to fight the real problems facing us, and learn the issues about them.
One Tree Hill
09-18-05, 19:25
Also it's important to note that everyone does not have to have the same political opinion and that politics and pussy can indeed be kept separate. Like I've mongered with OTH quite a few times and I never had any idea whether he was left / right Dem / Rep or whatever. Now that he's out of the closet I'll still monger with him and I still won't discuss politics with him. Of course now that I am living here I don't really give a shit how fucked up things are up there.Besides, in reality neither your, mine nor anyones opinion will change anything and certainly not each others beliefs as politics go!
Trust me, At a certain point in the 8 year reign of terror (Clinton) I developed a WTF attitude and let it go. Afterall, we can only vote once!
And just to clarify: I am not enamored with Bush. In fact, I think he has squandered a golden opportunity for conservatives. I also am furious at his propensity to pander to the fucking Mexicans that seem to believe that they
have a right to violate US immigration laws at will, murder, kidnap, smuggle contraband and drain social resources from tax payers. If we need the cheap labor (and we do) then we should document them and allow workers to come across in a legal and accountable way.
But here is the dig: Neither party wants to piss off the hispanic vote. So the madness continues.
Oh by the way, that southern border doesnt discriminate, any nationality including middle eastern terrorist can cross it. In fact large numbers of Brazilians are now crossing. Word is out down in S. America. Maybe I can convince a few chicas to make it here and I will allow free room and board at my place?
One Tree Hill
09-18-05, 19:42
"That is why I tend to agree with the "Libertarian" idea. But we as mongers need to fight the real problems facing us, and learn the issues about them."
Yes, I agree in part with this. I can really identify with a lot of libertarinism but not all of it. Our constitution was written with personal liberties as a central theme. Certainly large centralized government was not what our forefathers intened. That is the biggest problem I have with Dems (libs), I do not want cradle to grave government responsibility for me. What I do want is for our constitution to be upheld as written and respected by government and for law not to be subverted by activist judges who seek to overturn the will of the people, or correct the inablility of liberals to win elections and influence ideas in a public arena. I do not want social engineering. I do not want any restrictions on media, such the attempt to silence conservative talk radio (or any radio for that matter - even Air America). I do not want third world nations in the UN dictating either foreign or domestic US policy. I do not want us to be dependant on middle eastern oil (ok dems. Finally you see we gotta explore in Alaska and other places in the US) And I do not want radical agenda driven organizations like Greenpeace and the Sierra Club to determine how best to use natural resources (and yes I like nature, hiking, fishing etc.) with their anti buiness, anti capitalist motives.
However, I do want personal responsibility for all. I do want tax code reduced or eliminated. I do want to make it easier for small businesses to flourish. I do want to keep our military strong. And I do want to ensure that we remain free (to the extent as we know it - there is no such thing as total freedom) and have the backbone to defend it if neccessary.
And last but not least. I want all of us to be able to continue to freely discuss our views without regard for censorship, undue criticism or without losing respect for diverging opinions.
Afterall, we all have that right and that makes us unique in the world.
Despite all the flaws, where does everyone want to immigrate to? Where else is better to start with nothing? Where else can such quality of life be found
in concert with a large multi-cultural population? Where esle has the opportunity that we have? Answer: Nowhere. We simply are the best and must continue to get better. That, is the American way.
Besides, in reality neither your, mine nor anyones opinion will change anything and certainly not each others beliefs as politics go!So why discuss politics here?
It's akin to talking in order to hear the sound of one's voice.
One Tree Hill
09-18-05, 20:17
Also it's important to note that everyone does not have to have the same political opinion and that politics and pussy can indeed be kept separate. Like I've mongered with OTH quite a few times and I never had any idea whether he was left / right Dem / Rep or whatever. Now that he's out of the closet I'll still monger with him and I still won't discuss politics with him. Of course now that I am living here I don't really give a shit how fucked up things are up there.Dickhead: This makes me think of Reagan and Tip Oneal. Who could be more.
Opposed politically, yet they developed a great friendship while
Reagan was in office. Often privately dinning together in the white house. Thats the way it should be. Of course I know your views, but that doesnt change the fact that you are a stand up guy, alot of fun, knowledgeable on chicas, beer and food and are willing to share it with others. Indeed you and I have mongered a bit together and it has been fun.
As I say to my best friend:
"I don't like your views on politics, but don't let me catch anyone trying to take away that right from you to express them".
Hell I even dated a socialist type chick for over a year once. She was a lawyer for a social advocay group and had political aspirations. Sure we had a few know downs, but always made up afterwards!
One Tree Hill
09-18-05, 20:28
So why discuss politics here?
It's akin to talking in order to hear the sound of one's voice.Hunt99,
Well for one, the can or worms was already opened.
Two, being the well intentioned guy that I am I want to let the board know a bit about my beliefs and even more that its nothing personal and that we can and all should get along and respect each other.
Having said that. I formally conclude my political opinions on this board. I just got done fucking a sweet Texas girl for 3 days and need to go review the tape! Boy was her pussy tasty!
Cheers!
Yes I was reading about this is Clarin a couple of weeks ago. Seems like a great idea. It could be a good time to buy some property up there. I need to visit the desert region of Paraguay.
Instead of drilling for oil in Alaska, why not break our dependence on oil, period, and find some cleaner, renewable technologies? Oh, right, because the oil companies' lobbies are too powerful.
Lexton,
Excellent analysis on the effect of the pussy market in the U. S. Men have essentially become the slaves of the new millenium. Anyone who doesn't believe this should try getting a passport or driver's license while unemployed and in arrears on their child support payments.
OTH,
Great idea about providing free room and board in return for Latin pussy but the Department of Homeland Security has already closed this loop-hole by making the harboring of an illegal alien a crime.
Thomaso276
10-05-05, 22:16
US Navy Releases Terrorist.
The US Navy today announced that it has released a senior Al Quaida terrorist after questioning him extensively for 27 days while being held prisoner aboard a US aircraft carrier in the Arabian Sea.
In a humanitarian gesture, the terrorist was given $50 US and a white 1962 Ford Fairlane automobile upon being released from custody.
The photo below shows the terrorist on his way home just after being released by the Navy.
Ain't if awfull!
Thomaso276
10-06-05, 00:18
Why there were no looters in Texas!
Daddy Rulz
10-12-05, 13:57
A welfare state for a welfare nation. Those freeloaders give us real liberal progressives a bad name. Good riddance.
One Tree Hill
10-12-05, 18:34
A welfare state for a welfare nation. Those freeloaders give us real liberal progressives a bad name. Good riddance.So Daddy, we do have some commonalities!
"Workfare, not welfare!"
Daddy Rulz
10-13-05, 03:15
So Daddy, we do have some commonalities!
"Workfare, not welfare!"I have always thought that REAL Republicans and REAL Democrats have a lot in common. The people that are ruining this country are the NeoCons, Christian Religious Jihadists (they are not the same, the NeoCons are using the predjudist of the other to stay in power) and the looney fucking Democrats (we are all NOT like that, I for one am very hard working and the only check I ever got that I didn't work for was unemployment which is not payed for by the State but by the company)
I think the differences between Republicans and Democrates help this country stay on an even keel. I'v been tired for years of freeloaders running up my tax bill. The problem now is we have more corporate welfare and less individual welfare not less welfare. I think the corporate kind will cost me more than the other.
I have no problem with, and tremendous respect for moderate conservatives as I would hope a moderate conservative has respect for my moderate liberalism. We need more folks like this having dialogue, it's time to take our country back from the kooks on both sides of the aisle.
Daddy, unemployment is a program administered jointly by the states and the federal government, and is financed by a tax paid only by the employer in most states. However, the states do indeed receive federal money, mostly notably when the unemployment rate in a particular state rises above a certain threshold. That triggers extended benefits and these are federally financed. The federal unemployment tax is I believe 6.0% of wages, but that gets reduced by a credit the employer receives for state unemployment tax contributions.
Daddy Rulz
10-13-05, 22:47
Daddy, unemployment is a program administered jointly by the states and the federal government, and is financed by a tax paid only by the employer in most states. However, the states do indeed receive federal money, mostly notably when the unemployment rate in a particular state rises above a certain threshold. That triggers extended benefits and these are federally financed. The federal unemployment tax is I believe 6.0% of wages, but that gets reduced by a credit the employer receives for state unemployment tax contributions.Perhaps it's a justification for me to feel comfortable. However one of the main differences between welfare and unemployment is that you had to have a fucking job you lost to get the second one. Also benifits are limited by time, they can be extended that's true but not until retirement, that is unless your an old fucker like Exon.
(Sorry Exon, just fucking with you a little)
Perhaps it's a justification for me to feel comfortable. However one of the main differences between welfare and unemployment is that you had to have a fucking job you lost to get the second one. Also benifits are limited by time, they can be extended that's true but not until retirement, that is unless your an old fucker like Exon.
(Sorry Exon, just fucking with you a little)There is now a lifetime max of 5 years of drawing welfare (subject to some few exceptions) thanks to BJ Clinton. Meanwhile corporate welfare such as no bid contracts, cost-plus contracts, and favorable capital gains taxation continues unabated.
One night, George W Bush is tossing restlessly in his bed. He awakens to see George Washington standing by him. Bush asks, "George, what's the best thing I can do to help the country?"
"Set an honest and honorable example, just as I did," Washington advises, then fades away.
The next night, Bush is astir again and sees the ghost of Thomas Jefferson moving through the darkened bedroom. Bush calls out, "Tom, please! What is the best thing I can do to help the country?"
"Respect the Constitution, as I did," Jefferson advises and dims from sight.
The third night sleep is still not in the cards for Bush. He awakens to see the ghost of FDR hovering over his bed. Bush whispers, "Franklin, what is the best thing I can do for the country?"
"Help the less fortunate, just as I did, FDR replies, then fades into the mist.
Bush isn't sleeping well on the fourth night when he sees another figure moving in the shadows. It is the ghost of Abraham Lincoln. Bush pleads, " Abe, what is the best thing I can do right now to help the country?"
Lincoln replies, "Go see a play."
Suerte,
Stowe
With apologies to Charles Dickens
And for those who may over react, this is a joke printed in my local paper this week. It's just a joke!
Bangkok Dave
10-27-05, 14:12
[QUOTE=Dickhead]There is now a lifetime max of 5 years of drawing welfare (subject to some few exceptions)
I personally know many people who have been on welfare for years. The family across the street from me has four generations on welfare. Perhaps you meant a five generation limit?
Dave
Sconjo USA
11-04-05, 16:13
That was a very cruel remark and Unamerican.
Sconjo usa
Sconjo USA
11-04-05, 20:41
You are no patriot, you are hoping for the presidents plane to crash. I can't use the words I would like to use because I was told I would be thowrn off the forum. But I am not part of the gang. You can say whatever because you are in with jackson. So goodbye and have a pleasant evening.
Bush is a disaster. If something were to happen to him tomorrow, I would not shed a tear. He is a liar, in bed with the oil companies, and a religious nut. And, above all, he is utterly INCOMPETENT.
Barney Lobo
11-05-05, 02:15
Bush is not so much a disaster because he fells obligated to put down Iran (Nucs) and put some assemblence of control - Law and Order - in that region. While at the same time appeaseing the f - in S Audi's. The SAudi;'s need to be dealt with!
Sconjo USA
11-05-05, 03:22
Bush had the balls to go to Iraq and take that maniac out of power. And knock off hi 2 sons. And the world will be safer. He was responsible for killing as much as a million people. His ambition was to rule the arab world. The people that should be bashed arethe ones that got us into the Vietnam conflict. It cos the about 60,000 men. And no one knew what the hell we were there for. I wake up every morn. With a plate in my head and a scar from my hip to my knee to remind me of vietnam. Sconjo usa
So, why is it our job / prerogative to go into every country ruled by an asshole and change the regime there? Who gave us that right? No one. L'il Crazy Kim in North Korea is much worse than Saddam, yet nothing is done. Hmm. No oil, perhaps? No no-bid contracts for their numerous cronies?
So what if he wanted to rule the Arab world? Big deal. When he was fighting Iran he was such a good friend of ours. Then all of a sudden not so much.
How is the world safer without him? Turns out he did not have any WMDs. The whole pretext for going to war was a blatant lie. Like pretty much everything this administration says. Perhaps you could try getting your info not only from Fox News and other Bush-approved sources.
This Gov't of the corporations for the corporations that we have should really try to fix the numerous problems in America before meddling in other people's affairs before opening its mouth and lecturing others. Not one president has done so much so fast to hurt and destroy this country as GWB. I absolutely despise him and his bible-thumping hypocritical lies, his stupid smirk, his utter incompetence. Such a pity I do not have the means to move out, and stop supporting these idiots with my taxes.
I say regime change begins at home.
Nick Danger
11-05-05, 13:05
For those of us who friends and even family members stuck in Iraq we appreciate your comments on the failure of the Bush administration. I 'm getting tired of hearing that Bush had "guts"to send someone else off to war.
When George Bush had the chance to fight in war (Vietnam) he got someone to enroll him in pilot school (which he was unqualified for) and never completed it. And, Mr. Cheney got deferments based on his medical condition (anal splint) or ingrown butt hair! I'm not lying either.
When we see (Fox News) or hear (Crackhead Limbaugh or Heil Hannity) all contributors to the right wing echo machine we know it's just self serving talk from chicken hawks.
There was an article today in the NY Post (reprinted in a Bay Area paper) discussing the new vaccine that prevents women from getting the human papillomavirus (HPV) virus (a sexually transmitted disease). HPV in women is extremely dangerous with a high percentage of the women getting cervical cancer from HPV. Cervical cancer is the most dangerous and fast attacking form of cancer for women.
The vaccine is "virtually 100% effective for the 2 most common cancer-causing HPV strains".
The article went on to explain that many Republicans are against making the vaccine mandatory and giving it to all girls as during their High School years (from pressure from the religious right) because to do so would be giving tacit approval for premarital sex or adultry.
So let me understand this logic from Republicans and Christians, these are people who, if they actually followed their religious teachings would embrace the poor, the downtrodden, to forgive those hurt others, and want to help all people.
Do not give the vaccine to women because it promotes premarital sex and adultry. Rather, do not give them the protection they need, instead, let them get cancer and die.
Instead, they want to continue to preach what they have so far, with resounding success: follow the fantasy belief that humans will abstain from sexual activity except in a marriage situation.
What a loving, Christian position to hold!
I guess if there were an actual cancer that only inflicted corporations, THEN the Republicans would embrace their religious teachings and literally sacrifice themselves and die in their attempts to save the corporations from that cancer.
Suerte,
Stowe
OslersVoice
11-07-05, 12:02
You can have them burned off assuming you can see them and know they are there. Many women get them on their cervix and thus can not see them. If they do not go for their annual PAP test then there doctor will not know they are there either. There are several strains of HPV that cause cervical cancer, some more agressive than others.
Hopefully this kind of crap will wake up the American people to what assholes the Christian right are. How could someone deny anyone a vaccine that will prevent cancer? Especially a group that is "god loving". I hope they all get cancer or better yet, I hope their daughter's, who practice thier rightous crap get the cancer so that they can experience the terrible price of their beliefs. (Actually I wouldn't wish cancer on anyone - but this comes close)
Sconjo USA
11-08-05, 11:49
To all you people that are "shoulda done this and that", and all the Bush bashers: I'll bet none of you all have ever been in the service during a war, but you have all the answers to everything. I say you are all full of crap.
Sconjo usa.
OslersVoice
11-08-05, 13:17
To all you people that are "shoulda done this and that", and all the Bush bashers: I'll bet none of you all have ever been in the service during a war, but you have all the answers to everything. I say you are all full of crap.
Sconjo usa.What does being in the service during a war have to do with this? Just because you fought in a war and got injured, automatically means you are right and know what you are talking about? Does it mean that an American president is right 100% of the time and can not make bad or wrong decisions?
Sconjo USA
11-08-05, 13:26
Every president from Bush on back has made bad decisons. Who could have made any worse than Kennedy and Johnson for entraping the us in the Vietnam war? That cost abiut 60, 000 lives. What I mean is this, we don't quit and run. We see it thru and better times will come.
Sconjo USA.
Sconjo USA
11-08-05, 15:14
You can put all of vietnam under water, thats the only way I will ever forget it.
Sconjo USA
11-08-05, 16:19
I know you are ahighly intelegent guy. And I can tell by some of the things you write. But Vietnam conflict and New Orleans are different issues. At the time of the Vietnam war a lot of fathers were sending there sons away to Canada and other places. I thought that it was a terrible thing to do at that time. But the fathers were older and wiser and could see it was a senseless war and they were not going to send there kids to the slaughter house. I look back at those days, and they did the right thing. They were good fathers.
Interesting how you talk about being in a war makes you more legitimate about discussing political issues but no mention about how your boy, Mr. Prez Bush, was a coward and hid from the war flying airplanes around Texas and Florida.
Actually, he went AWOL from that for about 8 months.
Stowe
PS and now, after implying in your posts how only those who fought in wars are worthy of speaking out, in your latest post you say it was a great thing for guys to run off to Canada because Vietnam was a bad war. SO IT IRAQ. Boy, are you inconsistent.
Sconjo USA
11-10-05, 23:09
I don't think the comparisons are the same. Your one coment about being worthy amounts to a insult to me. So that is the end of the political conents from me. I mcame on this forum for the chicas and thats what I am going to stick to. Have a pleasant day and a good evening. Sconjo usa
At the expense of getting blistered by many mongers (and maybe rightfully so) I am posting below a review of Kevin Phillips' new book. Phillips is a long time republican strategist and commentator. For my money he hits the proverbial nail on the head. This is a lengthy post for this board. Jackson, if this is overly lengthy, my feelings won't be hurt if you deep six it.
Featured Author: Kevin Phillips.
Reviews of Phillips' books, including "The Emerging Republican Majority" (1969) "Wealth and Democracy" (2002) and others.
AMERICAN THEOCRACY The Peril and Politics of Radical Religion, Oil, and Borrowed Money in the 21st Century.
By Kevin Phillips.
462 pp. Viking. $26.95.
Four decades ago, Kevin Phillips, a young political strategist for the Republican Party, began work on what became a remarkable book. In writing "The Emerging Republican Majority" (published in 1969) he asked a very big question about American politics: How would the demographic and economic changes of postwar America shape the long-term future of the two major parties? His answer, startling at the time but now largely unquestioned, is that the movement of people and resources from the old Northern industrial states into the South and the West (an area he enduringly labeled the "Sun Belt") would produce a new and more conservative Republican majority that would dominate American politics for decades. Phillips viewed the changes he predicted with optimism. A stronger Republican Party, he believed, would restore stability and order to a society experiencing disorienting and at times violent change. Shortly before publishing his book, he joined the Nixon administration to help advance the changes he had foreseen.
Phillips has remained a prolific and important political commentator in the decades since, but he long ago abandoned his enthusiasm for the Republican coalition he helped to build. His latest book (his 13th) looks broadly and historically at the political world the conservative coalition has painstakingly constructed over the last several decades. No longer does he see Republican government as a source of stability and order. Instead, he presents a nightmarish vision of ideological extremism, catastrophic fiscal irresponsibility, rampant greed and dangerous shortsightedness. (His final chapter is entitled "The Erring Republican Majority.") In an era of best-selling jeremiads on both sides of the political divide, "American Theocracy" may be the most alarming analysis of where we are and where we may be going to have appeared in many years. It is not without polemic, but unlike many of the more glib and strident political commentaries of recent years, it is extensively researched and for the most part frighteningly.
Persuasive.
Although Phillips is scathingly critical of what he considers the dangerous policies of the Bush administration, he does not spend much time examining the ideas and behavior of the president and his advisers. Instead, he identifies three broad and related trends — none of them new to the Bush years but all of them, he believes, exacerbated by this administration's policies — that together threaten the future of the United States and the world. One is the role of oil in defining and, as Phillips sees it, distorting American foreign and domestic policy. The second is the ominous intrusion of radical Christianity into politics and government. And the third is the astonishing levels of debt — current and prospective — that both the government and the American people have been heedlessly accumulating. If there is a single, if implicit, theme running through the three linked essays that form this book, it is the failure of leaders to look beyond their own and the country's immediate ambitions and desires so as.
To plan prudently for a darkening future.
The American press in the first days of the Iraq war reported extensively on the Pentagon's failure to post American troops in front of the National Museum in Baghdad, which, as a result, was looted of many of its great archaeological treasures. Less widely reported, but to Phillips far more meaningful, was the immediate posting of troops around the Iraqi Oil Ministry, which held the maps and charts that were the key to effective oil production. Phillips fully supports an explanation of the Iraq war that the Bush administration dismisses as conspiracy theory — that its principal purpose was to secure vast oil reserves that would enable the United States to control production and to lower prices. ("Think of Iraq as a military base with a very large oil reserve underneath," an oil analyst said a couple of years ago. "You can't ask for better than that.") Terrorism, weapons of mass destruction, tyranny, democracy and other public rationales were, Phillips says, simply ruses to disguise the real motivation for the.
Invasion.
And while this argument may be somewhat too simplistic to explain the complicated mix of motives behind the war, it is hard to dismiss Phillips's larger argument: that the pursuit of oil has for at least 30 years been one of the defining elements of American policy in the world; and that the Bush administration — unusually dominated by oilmen — has taken what the president deplored recently as the nation's addiction to oil to new and terrifying levels. The United States has embraced a kind of "petro-imperialism," Phillips writes, "the key aspect of which is the you. S. Military's transformation into a global oil-protection force," and which "puts up a democratic facade, emphasizes freedom of the seas (or pipeline routes) and seeks to secure, protect, drill and ship oil, not administer everyday affairs."
Phillips is especially passionate in his discussion of the second great force that he sees shaping contemporary American life — radical Christianity and its growing intrusion into government and politics. The political rise of evangelical Christian groups is hardly a secret to most Americans after the 2004 election, but Phillips brings together an enormous range of information from scholars and journalists and presents a remarkably comprehensive and chilling picture of the goals and achievements of the religious right.
He points in particular to the Southern Baptist Convention, once a scorned seceding minority of the American Baptist Church but now so large that it dominates not just Baptism itself but American Protestantism generally. The Southern Baptist Convention does not speak with one voice, but almost all of its voices, Phillips argues, are to one degree or another highly conservative. On the far right is a still obscure but, Phillips says, rapidly growing group of "Christian Reconstructionists" who believe in a "Taliban-like" reversal of women's rights, who describe the separation of church and state as a "myth" and who call openly for a theocratic government shaped by Christian doctrine. A much larger group of Protestants, perhaps as many as a third of the population, claims to believe in the supposed biblical prophecies of an imminent "rapture" — the return of Jesus to the world and the elevation of believers to heaven.
Prophetic Christians, Phillips writes, often shape their view of politics and the world around signs that charlatan biblical scholars have identified as predictors of the apocalypse — among them a war in Iraq, the Jewish settlement of the whole of biblical Israel, even the rise of terrorism. He convincingly demonstrates that the Bush administration has calculatedly reached out to such believers and encouraged them to see the president's policies as a response to pre-millennialist thought. He also suggests that the president and other members of his administration may actually believe these things themselves, that religious belief is the basis of policy, not just a tactic for selling it to the public. Phillips's evidence for this disturbing claim is significant, but not conclusive.
THE third great impending crisis that Phillips identifies is also, perhaps, the best known — the astonishing rise of debt as the precarious underpinning of the American economy. He is not, of course, the only observer who has noted the dangers of indebtedness. The New York Times columnist Paul Krugman, for example, frequently writes about the looming catastrophe. So do many more-conservative economists, who point especially to future debt — particularly the enormous obligation, which Phillips estimates at between $30 trillion and $40 trillion, that Social Security and health care demands will create in the coming decades. The most familiar debt is that of the United States government, fueled by soaring federal budget deficits that have continued (with a brief pause in the late 1990's) for more than two decades. But the national debt — currently over $8 trillion — is only the tip of the iceberg. There has also been an explosion of corporate debt, state and local bonded debt, international debt through huge trade imbalances, and consumer debt (mostly in the form of credit-card balances and aggressively marketed home-mortgage packages) Taken together, this present and future debt may exceed $70 trillion.
The creation of a national-debt culture, Phillips argues, although exacerbated by the policies of the Bush administration, has been the work of many people over many decades — among them Alan Greenspan, who, he acidly notes, blithely and irresponsibly ignored the rising debt to avoid pricking the stock-market bubble it helped produce. It is most of all a product of the "financialization" of the American economy — the turn away from manufacturing and toward an economy based on moving and managing money, a trend encouraged, Phillips argues persuasively, by the preoccupation with oil and (somewhat less persuasively) with evangelical belief in the imminent rapture, which makes planning for the future unnecessary.
There is little in "American Theocracy" that is wholly original to Phillips, as he frankly admits by his frequent reference to the work of other writers and scholars. What makes this book powerful in spite of the familiarity of many of its arguments is his rare gift for looking broadly and structurally at social and political change. By describing a series of major transformations, by demonstrating the relationships among them and by discussing them with passionate restraint, Phillips has created a harrowing picture of national danger that no American reader will welcome, but that none should ignore.
Thanks Papa for your "geometric" addition to the review. Great reading.
Jaimito Cartero
03-21-06, 23:39
Thanks Papa for your "geometric" addition to the review. Great reading.If only he could use the enter key every now and again, it would be readable.
Daddy Rulz
03-22-06, 12:31
With all the warfare on the boards I like to commend people for disagreeing as gentleman. Papa had a diff view to add and did so without attacking the beliefs or character of Sr Dog. I enjoyed reading your opinion Papa, though I do have to agree with Jaimito:)
Nibu Raphael
03-24-06, 16:13
OH Jackson Please Do not delete anything I Say. I Remember in the past you were a Bush Supporter. I Hope not now. Dude You Must Have Saw on CNN The Debate Now With Charlie Shenn speaking up on The Truth on 9/11. He was On The Alex Jones show At first on that. Please Do not delate this Jackson The Truth on this can all be seen on www.infowars.com I am listening to The Show right now. Charlie Sheen Will Be Back on The alex Jones Show last half hour. Plus Charlie used to Bang Porn Chicks. HA Ha. Hails off to Jackson, Alex Jones And Charlie Sheen of course.
Nibu Raphael
03-24-06, 16:15
Dude Wake Up. Are Country is going downhill Now cause of This War.
To all you people that are "shoulda done this and that", and all the Bush bashers: I'll bet none of you all have ever been in the service during a war, but you have all the answers to everything. I say you are all full of crap.
Sconjo usa.
I can see why people might beleive what they want but it doesnt have to be in this kind of a way and thats not the only thing in addition there are other things but not the stuff which i want and jackson is the man im coming back to argentina and cool it is a hot dog which doesnt usually mean anything to me but bush and halliburton are all messed up for example there is some dog shit in my kichen but i dont have a dog and it tasted good like a sausage but not quite and i am looking to talk politics here but dammit you know that pussy is really more interesting and always the two and a half men how about that charlie sheen he is really cool and wears really neat shirts and has really smart things to say about politics and everybody should listen to actors who want to talk about politics and who also screw hookers and have a hot wife like denise richards except she filed for divorce but can anybody tell me how to get in touch with her because she is so fucking hottttttt!
Hi Hunt,
He won't get it.
Thanks,
Jackson
Nibu Raphael
03-24-06, 17:44
Yes A Real American Hero Will Be on The Alex Jones Show Now. This Guy Has Balls for what he says. Plus He Fucked Porn Stars Before. Who Was it Ginger Lynn He Fucked Before. This Guy Is A Cool Patriot Just Like Mel Gibson. Guys Listen Now. www.infowars.com www.prisonplanet.tv www.prisonplanet.com Check out The Alex Jones Poll like 82% Of The People believe in What Charlie Is Saying. Hell His Brother Matin Sheen Rules. Fucking Apocalypse Now Just Killed. Great Damn Movie. Just Saw The DVD Version A Few Months ago. Charile is The Man. Just like CongressMan Ron Paul from Oklahoma. Remember Guys When The Government Told James Woods to Shut Up For knowing About Arab Terrorists to Be on a Flight like a day before 9/11? Shit Guys The Truth is coming out More And More. I am Sure Are Buddy Jackson Has woke up this truth too. Guys Make Love Not War That Is The Way. Hey alex Jones Was Also on www.coasttocoastam.com Last Night George Nory Rules. I am now listening to Charlie Sheen Talk. Man I Salute This Guy. Hell Yes. Lets Keep Freedom in The world. No War to Iran Next. Like I Said No War Peace. Lets Keep Mongering also For Many Years. Charille Sheen Again Your The Man. Lets fight for Freedom and The Truth Mongers, Nibu Raphael.
Nibu Raphael
03-24-06, 17:44
Yes Those Guys Are Pure Scum.
I can see why people might beleive what they want but it doesnt have to be in this kind of a way and thats not the only thing in addition there are other things but not the stuff which I want and jackson is the man I'm coming back to argentina and cool it is a hot dog which doesnt usually mean anything to me but bush and halliburton are all messed up for example there is some dog shit in my kichen but I don't have a dog and it tasted good like a sausage but not quite and I am looking to talk politics here but dammit you know that pussy is really more interesting and always the two and a half men how about that charlie sheen he is really cool and wears really neat shirts and has really smart things to say about politics and everybody should listen to actors who want to talk about politics and who also screw hookers and have a hot wife like denise richards except she filed for divorce but can anybody tell me how to get in touch with her because she is so fucking hottttttt!
charlie sheen is the cats ass but everybody underrates emilio estevez speaking of hey hes got a spanish sounding name it makes me all horny when i hear spanish i think of a taco with sauce but sometimes fish tacos are better i went fishing from puerto vallarta there was a marlin they caught on the dock but the marlins i like are in miami they play baseball the national pastime but really i much more like my balls to be played with does anybody know where i can get my balls played with by somebody who looks like charlie sheen but no that was a mistake im not gay really i just really like him hes my hero i listen to everything he says and hes a genius like einstein the guy who discovered the stuff behind the atomic bomb and speaking of the bomb i hope to meet exons chick miss sol but do you think shell do me for forty pesos i dont know if can pay pay more than that but i can always try and see but i can't see because i need glasses can i buy good glasses in buenos aires i need them to read the newspaper so i can find the tv listings so i can be sure not to miss anything on the television which stars charlie sheen and yes i am still waiting for somebody to tell me how i can get in touch with his exwife because she gives me a massive boner
Nibu Raphael
03-24-06, 18:03
Great Great for Nibu Bashers Here. See Why I always supported Alex Jones. See Guys. Hell Yes. Tonight on CNN Showbiz 7 P. M. NYC Time and 6 P. M. Chicago time Alex Jones will Be Back on That Show. Damn It Sucks I missed Alex Jones on www.coasttocoastam.com That Sucks. I Am a Big Fan Of George Nory too. I am Glad Geoege Took Over Art Bells Position. Alex is now talking about What Happened in Madrid Too? Here Charlie is now putting an attack on The Neo Cons. Great Now The Interview Is Over. Guys Watch CNN and Keep up to this. Freedom We Need For sure. It is The Only Way. Lets Keep THE you. S. Free From Control And Freedom, Sincerly Nibu Raphael.
Nibu Raphael
03-24-06, 21:30
Dude I Do not want to get Jackson pissed at all here Cause I know Jackson was in to Bush Before Maybe Not Now. Why Are you so ignorant? You Know That Americans Are Getting more and more Hated Each Day. It Is Pricks like you That Makes Us Hated. Sorry Jackson but The Truth Most Come out. I Have been on this Site of yours for well over 5 years. Papa Benito attitude Stinks of An Ugly American. Man Dude Why Are You so Ignorant? Anyways Alex Jones will be on CNN Buisnes Celebrities soon in Half An Hour.
There is a nut you should meet. He hangs at the Alamo watching basketball. He believes pedophiles did it. Plus many other theories. Possibly, you, Charlie, and he could talk.
I live in Dallas and have a Bush sign on my front lawn and my house was torched twice last week. It's getting to the point where I can't go out at night without my shotgun on my lap. This is a sad time to live in America. Wish I lived in the suburbs of Paris in a poor muslim neighborhood or possible near the Sorbonne. (seems like a perfect place to store my car when I travel to South America )
Starfe
The evidence of government collusion in 9/11 is overwhelmingly conclusive as it was in 1989 when the terrorists of the first WTC attack produced tape recorded conversations with their CIA handlers.
People unwilling to examine the evidence should at least look at the absurd reactions of the US government to the threat of terrorism. Like the Patriot Act turning every domestic crime into an act of terrorism or implementing draconian airport security measures while leaving the Mexican border virtually unchallenged.
There are many voices more credible than Sheen exposing truth but morons tend to observe the famous and the biggest morons listen not to anything at all.
So keep hiding your head in Argentine pussy screaming "hear no evil".
By the way a CNN quick vote shows 82% support for this "conspiracy theory". www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/sheen_cnn_poll_shows_82_percent_support.htm
Goblin
The evidence of government collusion in 9/11 is overwhelmingly conclusive as it was in 1989 when the terrorists of the first WTC attack produced tape recorded conversations with their CIA handlers.
People unwilling to examine the evidence should at least look at the absurd reactions of the US government to the threat of terrorism. Like the Patriot Act turning every domestic crime into an act of terrorism or implementing draconian airport security measures while leaving the Mexican border virtually unchallenged.
There are many voices more credible than Sheen exposing truth but morons tend to observe the famous and the biggest morons listen not to anything at all.
So keep hiding your head in Argentine pussy screaming "hear no evil".
GoblinLast night while I had my wet nose buried in some Argentine pussy I received a cosmic communication from the ghost of Gary Hart's political aspirations. He informed me that the ghost of Charles de Gaulle's left testicle was intent on destroying our planet, and particularly Charlie Sheen's nose hair, with a newly developed aerosol made from Donna Rice's pubic trimmings. I was, of course, infuriated with this uncalled for interruption of my eager lapping, and said to the specter, "Will you PLEASE call Goblin and leave me the fuck alone!" Has he been in touch Goblin?
Last night while I had my wet nose buried in some Argentine pussy I received a cosmic communication from the ghost of Gary Hart's political aspirations. He informed me that the ghost of Charles de Gaulle's left testicle was intent on destroying our planet, and particularly Charlie Sheen's nose hair, with a newly developed aerosol made from Donna Rice's pubic trimmings. I was, of course, infuriated with this uncalled for interruption of my eager lapping, and said to the specter, "Will you PLEASE call Goblin and leave me the fuck alone!" Has he been in touch Goblin?See this is exactly what happens when you bury your head in Argentine pussy. Don't say I didn't warn you.
Goblin
You should bury something in an Argentine orfice, crack or crevice Goblin. Then bust a big nut all over its smirking mug. Get focused and get with the program. Even Charlie Sheen knows that.
if you know about the conspiracy its proof that no conspiracy exists except in the crack of an argentine ass but what an ass roberta has I love it so much it is round and heart shaped and wants to steal my heart except that my heart belongs to art bell the guy who was good before george noory took over coast to coast and oh yes i had a good beefsteak at a costanera norte parrilla it was a lomo which kind of sounds like llama which lives in peru and did you know that space aliens built macchu picchu in peru yes its true i heard it on art bells program it was in the segment just before charlie sheen was on talking about conspiracies and ghost and other assorted assholes like goblin which post and post but don't make any sense but nevertheless are rarely good for a laugh but of course not as much as i laughed at the movie hot shots which starred the great charlie sheen who used to be married to denise richards whom i would really like to play hide the salami with but will somebody please tell me how i can get hold of her because i am getting tired of just pulling my pud thinking about her in the tank top in the world is not enough the greatest james bond movie where she played a nuclear scientist involved in a conspiracy exactly like the one were discussing in this thread oh she was hot i am getting a hard on just thinking about her excuse me now while i leave the site to find some photos of denise richards to jack off to
Nibu Raphael
03-25-06, 20:08
All The Ilegals come across the border but they harrass Old Ladies And People like us At Airports. Last Night alex Jones Was on CNN Celebrity Show Again. Alex Just Hit It Again. I Also listened To The Recap of George Nory For An Hour with Alex. Great. I Think in Two Weeks Alex Will be in Los Angeles On Coast to Coast With George Nory And Charlie Sheen of course. So What He Fucks Porn Stars And Got Hokkers from Heidi Fliesch. I Fuck whores In South America But I Destest Bushs Fascist Policies. What Freedom is there in The you. U.S. Now? Yes 9/11 Was an inside Job By Our Government a 100%%%.
The evidence of government collusion in 9/11 is overwhelmingly conclusive as it was in 1989 when the terrorists of the first WTC attack produced tape recorded conversations with their CIA handlers.
People unwilling to examine the evidence should at least look at the absurd reactions of the US government to the threat of terrorism. Like the Patriot Act turning every domestic crime into an act of terrorism or implementing draconian airport security measures while leaving the Mexican border virtually unchallenged.
There are many voices more credible than Sheen exposing truth but morons tend to observe the famous and the biggest morons listen not to anything at all.
So keep hiding your head in Argentine pussy screaming "hear no evil".
By the way a CNN quick vote shows 82% support for this "conspiracy theory". www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/sheen_cnn_poll_shows_82_percent_support.htm
Goblin
Who's with me?
http://richards.ifrance.com/site/le%20reste/denis.jpg
She looks like Brooke Shields on steriods. I like.
You guys gotta meet the nut at ALAMO. A match made in heaven. Sheen's father was also a drug abuser. Possibly also affecting Charlie's sanity.The only difference is that his head is up Argentine pussy at Alamo's while you have yours up it elsewhere. I'm not talking about the little head btw.
I'll put some stuff together for you but I doubt it will do any good for the aforesaid reasons.
Ok here's a little teaser.
Consider that no airplane debries was found at the Pentagon impact site, not even a single piece of airplane shrapnel. The official report was that the plane had completely disintegrated on impact, something which has never happened before in all of aviation history.
Planes have slammed into the side of mountains at even higher speeds and burst into flames, but never has a single such incident ever failed to produce a mountain of debries readily discernable as originating from the wreckage of an airplane. Consider that the hole at the Pentagon had no marks whatsoever showing the impact of the aircraft's wings.
These are just of the most tame and staggeringly obvious facts that should already raise a mountain of scepticism about the official version of events.
Goblin.
if you know about the conspiracy its proof that no conspiracy exists except in the crack of an argentine ass but what an ass roberta has I love it so much it is round and heart shaped and wants to steal my heart except that my heart belongs to art bell the guy who was good before george noory took over coast to coast and oh yes I had a good beefsteak at a costanera norte parrilla it was a lomo which kind of sounds like llama which lives in peru and did you know that space aliens built macchu picchu in peru yes its true I heard it on art bells program it was in the segment just before charlie sheen was on talking about conspiracies and ghost and other assorted assholes like goblin which post and post but don't make any sense but nevertheless are rarely good for a laugh but of course not as much as I laughed at the movie hot shots which starred the great charlie sheen who used to be married to denise richards whom I would really like to play hide the salami with but will somebody please tell me how I can get hold of her because I am getting tired of just pulling my pud thinking about her in the tank top in the world is not enough the greatest james bond movie where she played a nuclear scientist involved in a conspiracy exactly like the one were discussing in this thread oh she was hot I am getting a hard on just thinking about her excuse me now while I leave the site to find some photos of denise richards to jack off to.This post may be worthless sarcastic drivel but it is a perfect mirror immage of Hunt99. Reading it I feel like I'm looking at a picture of him. Kind of like when Van Gough painted a picture of himself revealing the madness within.
Goblin
You should bury something in an Argentine orfice, crack or crevice Goblin. Then bust a big nut all over its smirking mug. Get focused and get with the program. Even Charlie Sheen knows that.Thanks for the advice. I'll get right on it, but I think I'll bury my little head instead of my big one.
It might also be noteworthy that Sheen has credibility here with his position on mongering but not with his political opinions.
Everyone uses his comments to justify mongering but nobody wants to hear his more important opinions.
Not to mention that everybody here fucks hookers and probably has done coke on numerous occasions. How does that undermine his credibility and not yours? Clinton & Bush (Senior and Junior) have both fucked hookers and done coke.
Goblin
Not to mention that everybody here fucks hookers and probably has done coke on numerous occasions. GoblinSpeak for yourself.
Moondog
Thomaso276
03-26-06, 02:03
Goblin: I knew two people from my high school who lost their lives in the Trade Tower and have met many Firemen who lost their buddies. My brother has made several official trips to the site and has a close personal relationship with many of the victims and emergency workers.
You have no idea what you are talking about. I would like you to tell some of the families about your conspiracy issues.
I am out of town for a few weeks but when I return I will make a point to discuss this with you personally at the Alamo. Do not take this as a threat, simply that I am going to tell you to your face what I think about folks who post or verbalize this bullshit, minimizing the tragic loss of life and the attack on our country.
Why don't you hop over to the mideast and let all those great folks over there know how you support their ideals, I think a few of them also said this attack was fabricated. I imagine you would end up on a video tape real soon and burying your head in pussy might be difficult without some help.
Rock Harders
03-26-06, 02:55
Mongers-
Clearly Goblin is way off in his constant rambling about vast conspiracy theories, however, I think he is correct in believing that the US government is complicit or at least negligent in many of the unfortunate events that have occurred in recent times. "For every action, there is an equal re-action". The September 11 attacks happened- several thousand people died, the vast majority "innocent" people. However, from the view of the Arabic men that took part in the attacks, these people were no more "innocent" than the thousands of Iraqi children who had died as a result of US "no fly zone" airstrikes or the US embargo on Iraq that caused the starvation and suffering of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children. Or, were those killed in 9/11 any more "innocent" than the countless numbers of Palestinians who have been killed by Israelis during the years of occupation? The 9/11 attackers undoubtedly viewed their actions as an act of war, and in times of war, "innocents" die and that is the way it is.
Keep in mind that I am from the NYC sphere, I know several people with friends and other relatives who died in the attacks, and I saw the destruction firsthand. However, sometimes the "hens come home to roost" and in this case the "blowback" to the US foreign policy came in the form of jumbo jets flying into our buildings. War is Hell, that is a fact, but keep in mind that we are all humans and that Iraqis and Palestinans feel the same grief for their fallen loved ones that Americans do.
Suerte,
Dirk Diggler
Nibu Raphael
03-26-06, 03:05
Alright Dudes I Feel Like The Modern Charlie Sheen Monger Here. He Says It Right. People Like Mel Gibson And His Father Hutton Gibson know The Truth To. In Fact Hutton Gibson is a Big Promoter of Liberty. Guys Will Try To post on this more maybe tommorrow cause I need to take care Of Things Now. Actually Dickhead Cheney is more In Power Then Bush Shit. Why Didn, t Cheney also Get Charged For His Drunken Spree of Shotting someone? I Got A Kid These Days And I Want Him To Grow Up In Peace Not War. Take Care You all. Goblin You Said It Right For Sure. Dirk You Said it Half Right. Stop These Stupid Wars Guys.
Well I find your self aggrandizing, self righteous, and of course deluded position rather amusing. You never fail in that department.
Firstly, if I was in Argentina, which by know you should know I am not, I would have no hesitation whatsoever about a face to face meeting to correct you and your irrational nonsense and to watch you scurry away in shame red faced and teary eyed but hopefully slightly less confused than you are right now.
Secondly, the loss to the victims of 9/11 is greatly aggravated by our own governments involvement in this attack and it is they who should be most outraged by this and by people like you who try to deny the obvious and parrot propaganda mantras in light of the devastatingly monumentally huge mountain of evidence proving conclusively collusion by the US government in the 9/11 attack.
Thirdly, the many victims of 9/11, whose interests you pretend to represent with your wrong opinions are suing the federal government in US courts right now making the same conspiratorial accusations you like to rail against.
Fourthly, I have nothing to say to the people in the middle east because the US government is the enemy of American people and not a bunch of Allah screaming confused brown skins who couldn't fly a kite into the New York trade centre if Mohammad's resurrection depended on it.
Anyone who is incapable of understanding such things can also not be expected to recognize how the people you knew in high school, and the firemen you new that lost their buddies, or what your brother does in his spare time has absolutely nothing to do with the assignment of blame for the attack.
Thomaso, I knew you were a lost cause after my first encounter with you and to be truthful my opinion of you has not changed.
Yours, I suppose, is the logic and the self righteousness one should expect from a pleasure seeking pervert.
So be careful what you wish for because you might get it; you would never be able to show your face at Alamo's again. You should know by now that I have no problems dealing with confrontation or with voicing opinions contrary to the majority, and I have certainly never had a problem dealing with the likes of you.
Oh, as long as I'm posting anonymously you say? Believe me, my friends would tell you otherwise.
Goblin.
Goblin: I knew two people from my high school who lost their lives in the Trade Tower and have met many Firemen who lost their buddies. My brother has made several official trips to the site and has a close personal relationship with many of the victims and emergency workers.
You have no idea what you are talking about. I would like you to tell some of the families about your conspiracy issues.
I am out of town for a few weeks but when I return I will make a point to discuss this with you personally at the Alamo. Do not take this as a threat, simply that I am going to tell you to your face what I think about folks who post or verbalize this bullshit, minimizing the tragic loss of life and the attack on our country.
Why don't you hop over to the mideast and let all those great folks over there know how you support their ideals, I think a few of them also said this attack was fabricated. I imagine you would end up on a video tape real soon and burying your head in pussy might be difficult without some help.
Mongers-
Clearly Goblin is way off in his constant rambling about vast conspiracy theories, however, I think he is correct in believing that the US government is complicit or at least negligent in many of the unfortunate events that have occurred in recent times. "For every action, there is an equal re-action". The September 11 attacks happened- several thousand people died, the vast majority "innocent" people. However, from the view of the Arabic men that took part in the attacks, these people were no more "innocent" than the thousands of Iraqi children who had died as a result of US "no fly zone" airstrikes or the US embargo on Iraq that caused the starvation and suffering of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children. Or, were those killed in 9/11 any more "innocent" than the countless numbers of Palestinians who have been killed by Israelis during the years of occupation? The 9/11 attackers undoubtedly viewed their actions as an act of war, and in times of war, "innocents" die and that is the way it is.
Keep in mind that I am from the NYC sphere, I know several people with friends and other relatives who died in the attacks, and I saw the destruction firsthand. However, sometimes the "hens come home to roost" and in this case the "blowback" to the US foreign policy came in the form of jumbo jets flying into our buildings. War is Hell, that is a fact, but keep in mind that we are all humans and that Iraqis and Palestinans feel the same grief for their fallen loved ones that Americans do.
Suerte,
Dirk DigglerDirk,
You are a reader. Why don't you pick up a few books from alternative media outlets and examine the evidence that has been compiled by so many truly patriotic and concerned american authors who have gone through such great lenghths to reveal the terrible truth of government involvement in 9/11.
Until you do that your opinions are subject only to the official version as portrayed by the maintream media monopolies.
Goblin
Speak for yourself.
MoondogOk, I was out of line but definately everyone here has fucked hookers just like Sheen has. And "I pay them to leave" is everyone's favorite mantra.
Goblin.
You know Goblin if you quit wasting time on this board, you could gather more information about the USA's complicity in the 9/11 attacks, and use that information to persuade people who give a shit to your way of thinking. You really get a kick out of spouting off your stuff to people that you know are going to disagree with most, if not all of it. Your just another sad, little non entity jacking off in the corner, screaming, "Hey, look at me. I know things you don't know!". Your not interested in an intelligent dialogue otherwise you wouldn't be hanging out here. I'm surprised your not out on a street somewhere holding up a sign, hoping somebody will take a poke at you. Then you could run around with your bloody nose screaming about the conspiracy to silence you.
Alright Dudes I Feel Like The Modern Charlie Sheen Monger Here. He Says It Right. People Like Mel Gibson And His Father Hutton Gibson know The Truth To. In Fact Hutton Gibson is a Big Promoter of Liberty. Guys Will Try To post on this more maybe tommorrow cause I need to take care Of Things Now. Actually Dickhead Cheney is more In Power Then Bush Shit. Why Didn, t Cheney also Get Charged For His Drunken Spree of Shotting someone? I Got A Kid These Days And I Want Him To Grow Up In Peace Not War. Take Care You all. Goblin You Said It Right For Sure. Dirk You Said it Half Right. Stop These Stupid Wars Guys.Nibu, not sure what you're on about but if you refuse to become more coherent in the presentation of your opinions you will serve to discredit the truth. No offence but it has to be said. You're starting to sound like Hunt99 and you don't want that.
Goblin.
You know Goblin if you quit wasting time on this board, you could gather more information about the USA's complicity in the 9/11 attacks, and use that information to persuade people who give a shit to your way of thinking. You really get a kick out of spouting off your stuff to people that you know are going to disagree with most, if not all of it. Your just another sad, little non entity jacking off in the corner, screaming, "Hey, look at me. I know things you don't know!". Your not interested in an intelligent dialogue otherwise you wouldn't be hanging out here. I'm surprised your not out on a street somewhere holding up a sign, hoping somebody will take a poke at you. Then you could run around with your bloody nose screaming about the conspiracy to silence you.Doggboy,
There is no such thing as intelligent dialogue made outside of reality, but as they say you can't teach an old dog new tricks.
Goblin
Flexible Horn
03-26-06, 07:25
Well I find your self aggrandizing, self righteous, and of course deluded position rather amusing. You never fail in that department.
Firstly if I was in Argentina which by know you should know I am not I would have no hesitation whatsoever about a face to face meeting to correct you and your irrational nonsense and watch you scurry away in shame red faced and teary eyed but hopefully slightly less confused than you are right now.
Secondly the loss to the victims of 9/11 is greatly aggravated by our own governments involvement in this attack and it is they who should be most outraged by this and by people like you who try to deny the obvious and parrot propaganda mantras in light of the devastatingly monumentally huge mountain of evidence proving conclusively collusion by the US government in the 9/11 attack.
Thirdly the many victims of 9/11 whose interests you pretend to represent with your wrong opinions are suing the federal government in US courts right now making the same conspiratorial accusations that you like to rail against.
Fourthly I have nothing to say to the people in the middle east because it is the US government that is the enemy of American people and not a bunch of Allah screaming confused brown skins who couldn't fly a kite into the New York trade centre if Mohammad's resurrection depended on it.
Anyone who is incapable of understanding such things can also not be expected to recognize how the people you knew in high school and the firemen you new that lost their buddies, or what your brother does in his spare time has absolutely nothing to do with the assignment of blame for the attack.
Thomaso; I knew you were a lost cause after my first encounter with you and to be truthful my opinion of you has not changed.
Yours I suppose is the logic and the self righteousness one should expect from a pleasure seeking pervert.
So be careful what you wish for because you might get it, you would never be able to show your face at Alamo's again. You should know by now that I have no problems dealing with confrontation or with voicing opinions contrary to the majority and I have certainly never had a problem dealing with the likes of you.
Oh as long as I'm posting anonymously you say? Believe me, my friends would tell you otherwise.
Goblin.Goblin,
I would firstly like to tell you I am from England and we don't obviously receive as much news as in America about 9/11.
I have read your posts with interest but I still don't see what the conspiracy is.
Is it possible for you to put in laymen's terms what you believe was the true facts of 9/11.
I ask this with sincerity.
FH
you know we could talk all day about conspiracy theories but then i would not be able to direct you to http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html which is a great source of debunking pathetic nonsense like we have had in this thread especially the stuff about charlie sheen whose greatest contribution is that he boned denise richards and thank you starfe for the photo i blew my spooge all over her cyber tits but the semen got in a crack in the corner of my screen and i needed to get some windex to clean it out it is almost as cleaned out as my bowels were after i had a mexican dinner last night gosh how hot that was i never spent so much time on the crapper as i did last night when you sit on the crapper for such a long time your mind starts to wander and think about things like i was thinking about how much some of the posters on this board reminded me of the stuff floating in the bowl down underneath my ass but then i remembered starfe and his nice photo that he shared and how i really dig denise richards and my cock got hard and oh it was wonderful jacking off thinking about denise richards washing my car the way she did for matt dillon in wild things i always wanted a tarty woman like denise richards to soap up my mustang matt dillon was so lucky much more lucky than charlie sheen who since the hottest woman in the universe left him is reduced to appearing on tv channels which dont really broadcast anywhere and arent really watched by anybody except the people floating around in the toilet bowl underneath my ass
The Ex-Nut has really convinced me that you men are correct. I engaged him in a long conversation. Now, I believe he is a genius! I presented your proof to him. He believes it was done by Pedofhiles. It was an inside job. Exlosives detonated in the buildings. An effort to destroy our economic system. Pentagon was compiling secret pedophile files that they destroyed. The airplanes didn't exist. The airplane crash in PA was not related. The purpose of the explosions was to cause economic chaos. They could continue their sexual practices without goverment interference. Financing provided by the Catholic Church and The National Gay Alliance. Many thanks to the 3 of you for alerting me. Now, I feel a little closure on the death of a very good friend.You should be ashamed of yourself for making fun of and trying to deny what killed your so called very good friend. If this is how you treat your friends I would hate to be your enemy. I don't know if it is possible for someone like you to have any friends.
Goblin
Popular Mechanics has a receptive road rash trailer trash audience ready to accept all kinds of superficial and conjecturous propaganda nonsense.
On the other hand, I would expect a whoremongering maniac to flock to publications like Hustler or Penthouse in search for the truth instead of some car nut magazine.
Gentlemongers - surely even Sheen reveered as the author of the monger's mantra has more credibility than a hot rod rag!
Goblin
Thomaso276
03-26-06, 17:33
Goblin, I had to search some of your posts because I could not remember any encounters that you claimed. Now I remember you. How is your girlfriend Rudolph?
Pedophiles? Why would you bring them into the conspiracy? Now if the buildings were full of pedophiles I would be okay with that. Sick, twisted pieces of crap who do not deserve to live. How do you feel about them? Surely you agree they do not deserve a place in any society. Predators and scum all. There is no treatment for these sick SOB's, jail for life or death penalty.
You remind me of the bystander in the crowd who started the fire across the street. Just milling around to get a hard on. You mill around in the forum and in local meeting places knowing you do not belong, thinking you are getting away with something special.
Later.
Goblin,
I would firstly like to tell you I am from England and we don't obviously receive as much news as in America about 9/11.
I have read your posts with interest but I still don't see what the conspiracy is.
Is it possible for you to put in laymen's terms what you believe was the true facts of 9/11.
I ask this with sincerity.
FHFlexible.
Without also providing you with evidentiary backup the facts of government involvement will seem too fantastic to even the most open minded. It is difficult to believe that the truth is such a drastic departure from the official version crammed down our throats by the media conglomerates.
When you see Bush waving the American flag at funerals and memorial services for his own victims then it becomes difficult to conceive that such wretchedness is possible. But an administration that poisons its own troops as in Dessert Storm with depleted uranium rounds etc and sends them home brain damage and otherwise disabled is really capable of anything.
The only way to educate yourself is to buy a variety of books from sources that are unfortunately being discredited by those in collusion with special interests who have something to gain from these disasters. www.inforwars.com. I have found him to be among the more credible researchers although he is a bit crass especially for the European pallet he also does exaggerate a bit and sometimes and takes things slightly out of context. On purpose or to amplify his point, I’m not sure. However, in comparison to the manufacturings of the mainstream it is absolute truth.
The most recent terrorist events against the US have all been sponsored, organized, and orchestrated by elements within the US intelligence community. These include the Oklahoma event, the attack against the US Cole, the embassy attacks, the first attack against the WTC in 1989 and of course the event of 9/11. Publications are readily available; they contain verifiable and irrefutable evidence.
The agenda is political control over America, if you are willing to do some reading on the subject we will have something to discuss. www.infowars.com
Goblin
Goblin, I had to search some of your posts because I could not remember any encounters that you claimed. Now I remember you. How is your girlfriend Rudolph?
Pedophiles? Why would you bring them into the conspiracy? Now if the buildings were full of pedophiles I would be okay with that. Sick, twisted pieces of crap who do not deserve to live. How do you feel about them? Surely you agree they do not deserve a place in any society. Predators and scum all. There is no treatment for these sick SOB's, jail for life or death penalty.
You remind me of the bystander in the crowd who started the fire across the street. Just milling around to get a hard on. You mill around in the forum and in local meeting places knowing you do not belong, thinking you are getting away with something special.
Later.Please Thomaso - substance.
What do I think of pedophiles? I think they are perverts, just like you!
Goblin
I just made a very good friend, the Ex-Nut. We share your conspiracy theories. I thought You and Nibu would now be my friends?Ok so now you have one friend, the nut from Alamo. Done bragging? Make sure you don't mock him when he dies in the next government sponsored setup.
Goblin.
repeating troll after troll is nothing but crap but hey i looked at the crap down in my toilet today and it looked suspiciously like a phantom or was it a spectre or perhaps just a goblin yes that was it a piece of crap in the form of a troll but not like the troll that hides under the bridge the kind of troll who likes kiddie porn and spouts all kind of crap which suspciciously looks like his face in the mirror this has been fun but time to pull the chain on the crap swirling around and around in the the bowl soon to be forgotten but a good feeling it was to expel that turd from my bowels a kind of feeling almost as good as sticking my huge cock into denise richards will somebody please help a friend out and send me her phone number please
Charlie Horse
03-26-06, 17:57
Goblin, if I were to believe your theories about AA flight 77. Could you answer just one question? What happened to the people on flight 77?
repeating troll after troll is nothing but crap but hey I looked at the crap down in my toilet today and it looked suspiciously like a phantom or was it a spectre or perhaps just a goblin yes that was it a piece of crap in the form of a troll but not like the troll that hides under the bridge the kind of troll who likes kiddie porn and spouts all kind of crap which suspciciously looks like his face in the mirror this has been fun but time to pull the chain on the crap swirling around and around in the the bowl soon to be forgotten but a good feeling it was to expel that turd from my bowels a kind of feeling almost as good as sticking my huge cock into denise richards will somebody please help a friend out and send me her phone number pleaseHunt99 - have you considered anger management? LOL.
Goblin
Goblin - could we get one mongering report from you please. Like most humans, many of us have a variety of interests, but there is one particular common interest that makes us a "fraternity", if you will. Thanks.
thank you to goblin for sending me your photo of you doing your interview on the infowars website it is always interesting to see fellow posters in person of course what i was more interested in was your impression of denise richards since you told me charlie sheen was the guest on the radio show after you did his ex wife come with him and by chance were you able to get her phone number because i need so badly to bone her thanks buddy
Goblin, if I were to believe your theories about AA flight 77. Could you answer just one question? What happened to the people on flight 77?Well first of all there weren't any Arabs listed as passengers on flight 77. Check here for an official passenger list published by CNN.
www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/victims/AA77.victims.html
So the official story is that the five Arabs who were reported to have flown flight 77 into the Pentagon crawled in unnoticed. What a farce that is.
Here is a list published by the FBI of the guys that supposedly snuck on.
www.fbi.gov/pressrel/penttbom/aa77/77.htm
The supposed highjakers of the other terror flights were on the passenger manifest.
Here we have a report on the Barbara Olson phone call line of bullshit.
www.vialls.com/lies911/lies.htm
The most likely explanation is that Flight 77, having missed the window of opportunity to launch its intended attack, was shot down in some unpopulated area along the Ohio / Kentucky border. The only shred of evidence that Flight 77 ever made it any further than that is an extremely dubious report from Bush Administration insider Theodore Olsen, who claimed that he was the recipient of an unlikely, and unrecorded, phone call from his wife, Bush Administration insider Susan Olsen, who happened to be, conveniently enough, an alleged passenger on the plane, and the only passenger, coincidentally, who was able to allegedly make a phone call, even though, according to Ted Olsen, who is the only witness to the alleged call, all the passengers were encouraged by the hijackers to phone home.
Fact is that no large airliner hit the Pentagon, the exact fate of flight 77 has not been verified from a vast range of possibilities.
Goblin
thank you to goblin for sending me your photo of you doing your interview on the infowars website it is always interesting to see fellow posters in person of course what I was more interested in was your impression of denise richards since you told me charlie sheen was the guest on the radio show after you did his ex wife come with him and by chance were you able to get her phone number because I need so badly to bone her thanks buddyBlahblah blub blub wah blah blah. Blub blub blub blah blah blub. If it wasn't for prostitution losers like you would only ever be fucking their own assholes.
Goblin
you know we could talk all day about conspiracy theories but then I would not be able to direct you to http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html Hunt99 and Popular Mechanics debunked.
www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/pop_mechanics_attacks_911_lies.htm
Don't let it wrinkle your rod.
Goblin
Nibu Raphael
03-26-06, 20:53
Alright so Far No New News On Charlie Sheen. I will As usual be listening To The Alex Jones Show Tommorrow for sure. I Bet Goblin will be listening for sure too. That 32 Year Old Dude From Austin Texas Knows Whats Up. Yes 82%%%% Support What Charlie Sheen Says. I Guess people Like Thomaso Are in the 18% Minority That Worship Bush. Dude Come on Are Government did this. Also That Popular Mechanics article is a Farce. When The Guy Who wrote it came on Coasttocoastam. Com It Was With Art Bell not with The Great George Noty. That Guy That Wrote the article is related to Homeland Gestapo Prcick Michael Chertoff. So That Is The Facts on that Scam. Alright I Must Get going but tune it tommorrow for more Of The Charlie Shhen info on www.infowars.com www.prisonplanet.com or www.prisonplanet.tv You will Here The Truth unwind more and more each day on this situation. Us you. S. Citizens and others must Wake up on This Corruption. Also How Can People Be Pro Bush in South America? Most Of These New South American Presidents Hate The Policy of Bush And Dickhead Cheney. Kirchner is a Lefty And allied with Chavez For sure.
Nibu Raphael
03-26-06, 20:55
Hunt Why Are You Cutting Down Goblin?
thank you to goblin for sending me your photo of you doing your interview on the infowars website it is always interesting to see fellow posters in person of course what I was more interested in was your impression of denise richards since you told me charlie sheen was the guest on the radio show after you did his ex wife come with him and by chance were you able to get her phone number because I need so badly to bone her thanks buddy
Nibu Raphael
03-26-06, 20:55
EVER. Dude Start Being cool with us.
I just made a very good friend, the Ex-Nut. We share your conspiracy theories. I thought You and Nibu would now be my friends?
Hunt Why Are You Cutting Down Goblin?I think Hunt is posting under the alias Nibu Raphael. They have identical personas only with opposite opinions.
Goblin
still waiting for denise richards telephone number don't be a jerk goblin come on i want it i need it because she so dearly needs me to shove my steaming love sausage into her tight love hole well maybe not so tight but tight enough for me to spew my jizz into it or maybe into a rubber because i don't want to do her bareback but then again maybe i do by the way can you tell me where i can buy one of those cool bowling shirts that charlie sheen wears i think it would match very well with a tin foil hat maybe a brown and grey bowling shirt which would set off the silver aluminum foil of course alumninum foil is good for wrapping things in like body parts of people from flight seventy seven who were strewn all over the place at the pentagon not in a remote area of kentucky or ohio and not on a ufo although i am sure you will tell us about ufos and conspiracies upon conspiracies but the best conspiracy that you could help us all out with would be by giving me denise richards telephone number because i am dying to hook up with her thanks again your close and sincere friend hunt ninety nine yes it is hunt ninety nine not to be confused with hunt ninety eight who appears on crackpot websites and engages in paranoid conspiracy fantasies and trades kiddie porn for a hobby oh excuse me i don't want to accuse hunt ninety eight of goblins pedophilia but maybe the nsa would cure you of that if you would stop doing radio interviews on radio programs which really arent and television programs which really arent but occasionally they have on guests like charlie sheen who did you know is married or should i say was married to denise richards the girl with the most boadcious set of ta tas in the known universe oh i want to drill her so bad it just hurts
still waiting for denise richards telephone number don't be a jerk goblin come on I want it I need it because she so dearly needs me to shove my steaming love sausage into her tight love hole well maybe not so tight but tight enough for me to spew my jizz into it or maybe into a rubber because I don't want to do her bareback but then again maybe I do by the way can you tell me where I can buy one of those cool bowling shirts that charlie sheen wears I think it would match very well with a tin foil hat maybe a brown and grey bowling shirt which would set off the silver aluminum foil of course alumninum foil is good for wrapping things in like body parts of people from flight seventy seven who were strewn all over the place at the pentagon not in a remote area of kentucky or ohio and not on a ufo although I am sure you will tell us about ufos and conspiracies upon conspiracies but the best conspiracy that you could help us all out with would be by giving me denise richards telephone number because I am dying to hook up with her thanks again your close and sincere friend hunt ninety nine yes it is hunt ninety nine not to be confused with hunt ninety eight who appears on crackpot websites and engages in paranoid conspiracy fantasies and trades kiddie porn for a hobby oh excuse me I don't want to accuse hunt ninety eight of goblins pedophilia but maybe the nsa would cure you of that if you would stop doing radio interviews on radio programs which really arent and television programs which really arent but occasionally they have on guests like charlie sheen who did you know is married or should I say was married to denise richards the girl with the most boadcious set of ta tas in the known universe oh I want to drill her so bad it just hurtsI heard from a very reliable source that you fled to Argentina from the US to excape arrest for rape and buggery offences against your own family, so be careful with your accusations.
So now you bury your big head in argentine pussy instead of your little one into the arse of your own - well we all know who.
Goblin
thats not very nice goblin in fact it is downright hostile of course i don't know about buggery except maybe for denise richards who would dearly love for me to pack some fudge with her and then do some atm thats ass to mouth not automatic teller machine and speaking of machines they must have special machines around but not too far away but far enough away to shepherd all the space ships and little green men over to goblins place for dinner and then afterwards to take him up to the mothership for some medical experiments the kind of experiments which can only be guarded against with a tin foil hat but if they tie you down and take the tin foil hat off then they can do to you whatever they want hey come to think of it i would like to take denise richards and tie her down and bone her silly but i can't do it unless you give me her phone number goblin please stop holding out im dying
Daddy Rulz
03-26-06, 21:19
thats not very nice goblin in fact it is downright hostile of course I don't know about buggery except maybe for denise richards who would dearly love for me to pack some fudge with her and then do some atm thats ass to mouth not automatic teller machine and speaking of machines they must have special machines around but not too far away but far enough away to shepherd all the space ships and little green men over to goblins place for dinner and then afterwards to take him up to the mothership for some medical experiments the kind of experiments which can only be guarded against with a tin foil hat but if they tie you down and take the tin foil hat off then they can do to you whatever they want hey come to think of it I would like to take denise richards and tie her down and bone her silly but I can't do it unless you give me her phone number goblin please stop holding out I'm dyingTo be honest I don't really like his normaly hostile tone but this is pretty funny. I really like the part about the ATM
thats not very nice goblin in fact it is downright hostile of course I don't know about buggery except maybe for denise richards who would dearly love for me to pack some fudge with her and then do some atm thats ass to mouth not automatic teller machine and speaking of machines they must have special machines around but not too far away but far enough away to shepherd all the space ships and little green men over to goblins place for dinner and then afterwards to take him up to the mothership for some medical experiments the kind of experiments which can only be guarded against with a tin foil hat but if they tie you down and take the tin foil hat off then they can do to you whatever they want hey come to think of it I would like to take denise richards and tie her down and bone her silly but I can't do it unless you give me her phone number goblin please stop holding out I'm dyingHunt ya dumb ****, how can you be doing that to your own family!
Goblin
To be honest I don't really like his normaly hostile tone but this is pretty funny. I really like the part about the ATMYeah kinda like Jerry springer funny if you're into that sorta thing.
Goblin
Daddy Rulz
03-26-06, 21:29
I love that show. I used to work for an airline and I checked these two strippers in for a flight to Chicago. They were going to be on the Springer show. Supposedly in a love triangle with this big fat ugly guy. I freaken loved that show. Does anybody know if Peter ever puts it on the tube at El Alamo?
Well, Gobbling, I will point out to you that before you criticize Thomaso's command of his native language, you should explore the difference between "palate" and "pallet," and learn to use a semi-colon. Also in your sentence "If it wasn't for prostitution losers like you would only ever be fucking their own assholes," it should be weren't.
This sentence also leaves a lot to be desired: "But an administration that poisons its own troops as in Dessert [sic; was it raining pastries?] Storm with depleted uranium rounds etc and sends them home brain damage [sic] and otherwise disabled is really capable of anything."
Plus you are too obtuse to realize that Hunt is parodying Nibu (you and Nibu can look that word up in any good dictionary).
Isn't see you enn tee a prohibited word? What happened to the great correcting software? And who let Nibu out of his jaula?
At least you are not American so I don't have you, in addition to Bush, to be ashamed of.
Well, Gobbling, I will point out to you that before you criticize Thomaso's command of his native language, you should explore the difference between "palate" and "pallet," and learn to use a semi-colon. Also in your sentence "If it wasn't for prostitution losers like you would only ever be fucking their own assholes," it should be weren't.
This sentence also leaves a lot to be desired: "But an administration that poisons its own troops as in Dessert [sic; was it raining pastries?] Storm with depleted uranium rounds etc and sends them home brain damage [sic] and otherwise disabled is really capable of anything."
Plus you are too obtuse to realize that Hunt is parodying Nibu (you and Nibu can look that word up in any good dictionary)
Isn't see you enn tee a prohibited word? What happened to the great correcting software? And who let Nibu out of his jaula?
At least you are not American so I don't have you, in addition to Bush, to be ashamed of.Well done Dickhead. You know something about pastries. For a short order cook you also have an excellent command of spell checkers.
I know full well what Hunt is doing, I'm not Nibu, I was not referring to Thomaso's spelling in my critique of his terrible communication skills, and I care not the least about perfect spelling when posting to this forum. If you assume otherwise you have only yourself to be ashamed of.
I on the other hand, like everyone else in the world, am proud not to be an American.
Goblin
Thomaso276
03-27-06, 00:16
Okay I was a little hot with the BS posted by Goblin who seems to forget about the victims. However, if in fact that is his photo, then I feel sorry for the poor bastard.
I dealt with cases like his for many years. Usually they fail to take their meds and go off on everything and everybody. They are harmless but annoying.
Take your medications and everything will be okay.
Okay I was a little hot with the BS posted by Goblin who seems to forget about the victims. However, if in fact that is his photo, then I feel sorry for the poor bastard.
I dealt with cases like his for many years. Usually they fail to take their meds and go off on everything and everybody. They are harmless but annoying.
Take your medications and everything will be okay.Thomaso, please no more witless clichés out of you for the rest of the week. Quit humiliating yourself.
You're right about some things though, you for example are a victim of 9/11 and I have no sympathy; you believe government propaganda dog shit and there is no hope for recovery.
Goblin
Rock Harders
03-27-06, 00:56
Jackson-
Would you please ban Goblin, he is useless and is offering nothing to this forum.
Suerte,
Dirk Diggler
Jackson-
Would you please ban Goblin, he is useless and is offering nothing to this forum.
Suerte,
Dirk DigglerHere here! You have a witness! I don't think anybody should be booted for their political stance, but Goblin offers NOTHING but his gleefully paranoid musings. He is a conspiracy spammer. He is not a monger. He doesn't appear to be interested in anything Argentinian, much less Argentinian mongering (unless you count his diatribes AGAINST mongering) He is a useless pest.
"I know full well what Hunt is doing, I'm not Nibu, I was not referring to Thomaso's spelling in my critique of his terrible communication skills, and I care not the least about perfect spelling when posting to this forum."
Learn to use a semi-colon. Fuck spell check.
"You're right about some things though, you for example are a victim of 9/11 and I have no sympathy; you believe government propaganda dog shit and there is no hope for recovery."
Your one use of the semi-colon is correct here but the first clause is a comma splice. But really and more importantly, "government propaganda dog shit" is redundant.
Didn't this germ visit Buenos Aires once and post a lot of sniveling nonsense that basically presented himself as a eunuch? Or am I confusing him with a bunch of other useless detritus?
"I know full well what Hunt is doing, I'm not Nibu, I was not referring to Thomaso's spelling in my critique of his terrible communication skills, and I care not the least about perfect spelling when posting to this forum."
Learn to use a semi-colon. Fuck spell check.
"You're right about some things though, you for example are a victim of 9/11 and I have no sympathy; you believe government propaganda dog shit and there is no hope for recovery."
Your one use of the semi-colon is correct here but the first clause is a comma splice. But really and more importantly, "government propaganda dog shit" is redundant.
Didn't this germ visit Buenos Aires once and post a lot of sniveling nonsense that basically presented himself as a eunuch? Or am I confusing him with a bunch of other useless detritus?Don't be a dickhead Dickhead; there is nothing redundant about specifying Thomaso's beliefs.
Why are you ashamed of George Bush? You appear to be as ignorant of US domestic policies as Thomaso and Hunt99. People like you both endorse republican policy and vote for George Bush.
Isn't it true that in reality you are an exiled tax dodger looking for self justification with accusation of government of wrongdoing you know nothing about?
Oh and your lesson on punctuation has one real value; it means you are reading my posts and are hopefully learning something in the process.
Really, I couldn't care less if I get banned from here for what amounts to an expression of dissenting political views. I always expected it to happen eventually, although I doubt that someone with a dynamic IP and MAC address can be effectively banned from this forum.
Goblin
Nibu Raphael
03-27-06, 15:16
Hi Guys Just got in on The WWW Today. As usual I always listen To The Alex Jones Show. I am An american though Not Like Goblin. Not Sure Where Goblin is from. Anyways We all bleed Red Blood and We All should stop this nonsene War in Iraq. The Bush administration wants to attack Iran Next. Why? Are We Not all Mongers? We Monger everywhere. Why Do We Fight with each other? It, s Stupid. Now On Alex Jones He Said For Charlie Shenn 83% Support Him. Alex Said The voting is still on And it will probably prove that Charile gets 85% Before The Show is over today. I Guess Charlie Sheen will Be on the Alex Jones Show Again the last 30 minutes But I Think this is a Rerun from Friday. Oh Whatever. I Do not mind this at all. That Is Why There Is No Guest Scheduled for today. To Others That oppose What Me And Goblin say Fine But Be Nice to Us And Just say what You Think but no Hard Flames. I Hate That Stuff. Speaking out The Truth you get flamed. Enough of this Guys. We Need to unite for 2006 and enough of this stupid infighting for sure. Also I Could never figure out People living in South america That Are Pro Bush. Most People Hate Him in South America. Look At One example that happened in Mar De Plata Also Maradona the soccer player is Very anti Bush But Then On The Bad Side to close to Fidel Castro. Kirchner is also defenitly not a Bush Fan. Maybe He is keeping his mouth shut and not saying stuff like Chavez And Evo Morales are. Him And Lula Are Waiting for the right time. Now Look At Peru The Elections also coming up with Nationalist Ollanta Humala for April 9th. Guys This Is Why I Listen To Alex Jones or coasttocoastam. Com With George Nory. I Love To Monger but I want to live in a future free of terrorism, plagues and war. Sheeze Guys Wake Up And Smell The Coffee. Charlie Sheen Mongers too Or At least He Did. That Is Why I Listen To Alex Jones Monday thru Friday. I Actually discovered Alex Jones like about 4 years ago more or less while living in Lima Peru someone told me about his show and then from then on I Listened to The Show just about everday. Here In The you. S. Though I Listen to The Early version of The Show Not The Repeat. In Lima Peru I Would listen to The Nightly rerun. Alright Guys Respond If You Agree With Me or not but Please No Hard Flaming, Sincerly Nibu
Nibu Raphael
03-27-06, 15:27
See Jackson this is The Shit that always happens on this site. Papa Benito Why Flame Me? Just Disagree with me lightly. See Your Ignorance shows here.
The Ex-Nut and I are with you. Keep posting. You are the LIGHT!
Hey Nibu, Papa's flames are pretty much light hearted. Stick to the double headed dildo stories as you posted on another thread and the flames, mild and otherwise, will die down. You are an entertaining fellow. As far as Alex whatever and Charlie Sheen whatever-OK ALREADY. The board is aware of your viewpoints. But please, more quadruple chica, double dildo licking stories.
Perked up dog
The Ex-Nut and I are with you. Keep posting. You are the LIGHT!The LIGHT can only be found inside Argentine pussy. Hasn't your new friend told you that?
Goblin
Nibu Raphael
03-27-06, 15:46
I Want to keep on Mongering Cheap And telling you these stories but Bush And Dickhead Cheney is ruining are economy. The Dollar has plunged like 40% Under Them. Argentina is still cheap 3 to 1. But Asshole Bush Fucked it up for us in Brazil, Canada, THE DR And Europe of course. I Want to Monger More And More But The Dollar is getting weak worldwide. When I Arrived also in Lima Peru almost 5 years ago it was 3.60 now The sol is down to 3.27 more or less. Why People support This Fucked up Adminstration Who Knows Why. It Really amazes Me.
Hey Nibu, Papa's flames are pretty much light hearted. Stick to the double headed dildo stories as you posted on another thread and the flames, mild and otherwise, will die down. You are an entertaining fellow. As far as Alex whatever and Charlie Sheen whatever-OK ALREADY. The board is aware of your viewpoints. But please, more quadruple chica, double dildo licking stories.
Perked up dog
Remember, many Argentines believe that the reason that some wealthy Americans are buying ranches in Patagonia is due to a covert operation in which the USA will "steal the water" of Argentina. Of course these same wealthy Americans buy ranches in Montana, Aspen and New Mexico.
Yeah sure, the USA lacks fresh water and is right next door to Argentina so it would be so convenient to build a pipeline. What a joke. Good people down here, but very irrational. This silliness even wears off on people writing for BA Herald.
Yeah, a pipeline wouldn't make sense but couldn't the US steal the water little by little by sending small packages of it via Federal Express? Or what if every time one of us went back to the states, we put rubber linings in our jacket pockets and filled them up with that nice pure water from the glaciers? Wouldn't that work?
Actually it might make even more sense to smuggle freeze-dried water which could be disguised as cocaine to get past customs!
Or, in a pinch, condoms full of water could be swallowed and then retrieved later.
What about instant water? Dehydrate it into a powder and then later you could just add water and you'd have instant water.
Perhaps if legal prostitution had been available, THIS would not have happened:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12159118/
Or not. Maybe the guy is a total pedophile. In any event these are the type of people that the current "elected" (I put that in quotes since it achieved neither a majority nor even a simple plurality) right-wing government has chosen.
Gee, do you think a culture of sexual repression and denial of obvious physical needs might lead to a bunch of sickos like this? Just wondering.
I theorize that this "culture of sexual repression" also makes men more driven to success. If you're happily getting laid all the time, you're less inclined to work since you already have what you need.
Regarding pedophiles, I dont have stats but whenever I see in the news that a kiddie-ring has been busted they seem to come from all countries including liberal ones like Netherlands.
I do theorize that that this repression contributes to our high incidence of "going postal" cases, though.
Yes, I do agree that getting laid all the time does perhaps make one less ambitious and driven. Look at Caribbean cultures, for example.
Now my question becomes: if I am laying around in the tropics all day and getting pussy and not giving a fuck about anything, am I getting pussy because nobody gives a fuck about anything except pussy in the tropics, or does everyone in the tropics lay around not giving a fuck BECAUSE of all the pussy they are getting?
But Argentina has only about 5% of its land mass within the tropics and I have never been there and I suspect most other posters have not been to tropical Argentina either.
So then why is it that while I was once an ambitious white collar professional capitalist, I no longer really give a shit about anything except pussy and surviving economically enough to get more pussy?
Could it be that pussy is superior to monetary compensation?
Pussy will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no pussy?
I'm just not clear on this right now.
Rock Harders
04-05-06, 05:22
Dickhead-
There is no doubt that it is better to have no money and be able to score lots of pussy than to have all the money in the world and not be able to get laid. Take myself for example, I do not have any "real money", like I bet most of the older guys do (who are retired, or semi retired, and have saved hundreds of thousands or more dollars to live on) yet I am able to get better pussy (oftentimes) than money can buy, and thus I am extremely happy and carefree. I basically survive entirely "upon the kindness of others" (I. E. Successfull parents and relatives) and I couldn't give two shits about having a so-called "career", all I care about now is working out, eating, sleeping, and fucking the greatest number of beautiful women possible. I can honestly say that although I am far from a wealthy man, I have zero stress in my life and I am truly happy.
Suerte,
Dirk Diggler
Jaimito Cartero
04-06-06, 06:32
So then why is it that while I was once an ambitious white collar professional capitalist, I no longer really give a shit about anything except pussy and surviving economically enough to get more pussy?I had a discussion with a friend of mine recently, and he stated that he no longer had the desire to have sex. He's in his mid 60's, and I told him that if I felt like that it would make day to day living pretty tough.
Seemed pretty sad to me. He'd also had enough kids for an entire football team, so he certainly used to enjoy it.
Nibu Raphael
04-18-06, 17:33
He Did it again On The Jimmy Kimmel Show I Saw Some of what he said the excerpts can be found on www.prisonplanet.com To Judd If You Are Reading this>>> Why You Like Crap now l;ike avenge sevenfold? Is That not music for 13 year olds? I know I Think you said yopu just kind of liked them.
Nibu Raphael
04-19-06, 15:21
Hi Guys Yes It will Get More Bad Here in THE US. I Have mentioned before in other posts to that Bush And Dickhead cheney are ready to Probably Nuke Iran soon. There Administration was also the ones that did 9/11. Cheney was more the mastermind behind it. It seems like always in American Politics The Vice President is always more in charge. With Clinton Hillary was more in charge just like in Peru with Alejandro Toledo That Elian Karp is more in charge. O. K. But Also on 9/11 Yes Our Government was behind it. They gained the oil in Afghanistan and Iraq. We Ruined Iraq Now The Crazy Muslim Nuts The Shiites will try to come in to power. In The U. S. After Bush It will probably Be Kooky Hillary Clinton, Rudolp Conman Guilliani or Crazy Arnold Schwarzanneger coming in to power. Speaking of celebrities too>>> What ever happened to Jesse Ventura? Alright Off Subject but the next 5 years in American Politics Are very crucial to Americas Existence. We need to also solove the immigration problem too. And Yes I support The minuteman a 100% But Bush Calls Them vigilantes. Bush Is A Total Globalist And That Is a Fact. Damn I Am out of here. Jj Or Goblin Help Me out on this soon. Man Things Are getting Worse and Worse in The you. S. We must fight for freedom, Sincerly Nibu Raphael.
Hi Nibu,
First I asked, and now I'm going to tell you:
Any reports that you submit from now on that are in all Proper Case will be deleted without comment.
Jackson
Nibu Raphael
04-19-06, 15:30
Check out today on www.prisonplanet.com The Dude Is Talking good stuff. Some German Dude With Alex Jones. The Guy is teling the truth.
Hi Nibu,
First I asked, and now I'm going to tell you:
Any reports that you submit from now on that are in all Proper Case will be deleted without comment.
Jackson
Well go ahead and start deleting this idiots posts. Obviously, he is either stupid or ignoring your direction about continously capitalizing the words in his posts. Jesus, how irritating.
You are showing WAY too much patience regarding this idiots' posts.
Stowe
Hi Guys Yes It will Get More Bad Here in THE US. I Have mentioned before in other posts to that Bush And Dickhead cheney are ready to Probably Nuke Iran soon. There Administration was also the ones that did 9/11. Cheney was more the mastermind behind it. It seems like always in American Politics The Vice President is always more in charge. With Clinton Hillary was more in charge just like in Peru with Alejandro Toledo That Elian Karp is more in charge. O. K. But Also on 9/11 Yes Our Government was behind it. They gained the oil in Afghanistan and Iraq. We Ruined Iraq Now The Crazy Muslim Nuts The Shiites will try to come in to power. In The U. S. After Bush It will probably Be Kooky Hillary Clinton, Rudolp Conman Guilliani or Crazy Arnold Schwarzanneger coming in to power. Speaking of celebrities too>>> What ever happened to Jesse Ventura? Alright Off Subject but the next 5 years in American Politics Are very crucial to Americas Existence. We need to also solove the immigration problem too. And Yes I support The minuteman a 100% But Bush Calls Them vigilantes. Bush Is A Total Globalist And That Is a Fact. Damn I Am out of here. Jj Or Goblin Help Me out on this soon. Man Things Are getting Worse and Worse in The you. S. We must fight for freedom, Sincerly Nibu Raphael.
Hi Nibu,.
First I asked, and now I'm going to tell you:
Any reports that you submit from now on that are in all Proper Case will be deleted without comment.
JacksonAhhh, you need not worry. Despite of your incoherent presentation of these materials there are many who read the information you and I make available to the readers of this forum, and many who study and believe what is really going on behind the scenes of US politics.
Keep it up, but do not expect anyone to comment for fear of being ostracized. Remember, the primary objective here is sex for money.
Goblin
Nibu Raphael
04-21-06, 16:46
Dude Stowe I am trying my best. Jackson has patience with me cause I have been on this site for years like maybe 6 years more or less. Stop it with this bickering guys its plain stupid to attack each other, Sincerly Nibu.
Well go ahead and start deleting this idiots posts. Obviously, he is either stupid or ignoring your direction about continously capitalizing the words in his posts. Jesus, how irritating.
You are showing WAY too much patience regarding this idiots' posts.
Stowe
Nibu Raphael
04-21-06, 17:05
Why I Support this guy? Cause he tells the truth. He is exposing the police state. Did you see what happened yesterday as Bush defended the red communst chinese dude who got heckled by a floun gong member. Alex tells the truth. I will not post his website here now as I have so many damn times guys. Just go and look at my old posts and you will see that info. Maybe Goblin also listens to his show. Who knows. People lets just keep the truth running here. As lomg as I can speak on the truth I will until the end. Cause just like Alex I believe in the truth and prfer to live in liberty not in a fascist police state as that is wrong. Like I said about chavez he has his faults but is at least attacking the globalist system. Shit with Bush in power still look at the gas now almost 3 bucks a gallon now. Also besides suporrting Jones and Chavez. I also get my gas at citgo as much as I can. Hail the revolution against globalism. Also guys listen to Jones monday thru friday on the internet, sw radio or if he is on free radio around your area.
Nibu Raphael
05-05-06, 16:03
Guys yes him and all his lousy cronies are fucking things up big time. Man I can not believe now the dollar is almost 2 to 1 to the real. He fucked up shit to in Peru even with garcia or humala coiming to fuck up Peru more the dollar to the sol there is 3.30. Shit man this pisses me off. How long will it stay 3 to 1 in Argentina? I bet if it does a couple years more like this it will be an act of god. Saw good news for awhile that the mexican peso was almost at 11 to the dollar now its getting strong again and going back to the 10 spot. Man this is just insane. I still can not figure out how a clown like Bush got re-elected? Guys post back here on this cause this makes me furious.
Nibu Raphael
05-15-06, 15:57
Yes He is still fucking the economy on our country. Now he will give an amnesty plan to ilegals for 6 years. He denies it but says it is true. Man this guy just keeps on doing bad things to us. Will the troops on the borders work? We should try to see this year. I know the warehouse my wife works at there are over 200 ilegal aliens. Man this is insane. Hey but if you oppose this you are racist. Look at those lefty scum that attacked the minutemen in D. C. Damn they called them the minuteklan. Yes Mister Bush lets spy on the minutemen and not spy on the ilegals. Man this administration is such a fairy tale joke and wrong. What has happened to the you. S. Bad Stuff. Yes. These Neo-cons are just taking our country to the dumps. How about the exon owner getting a 144,000 a day? Pure insanity. These people are just robbing The you. S. How about these idiots with George Bush stickers on there car? Man do these people know we are getting sacked? It just unfair on this. I want a future for my kid. People like Bush, Luis Guttierz, Bill Richards and others supporting the reconqistas, la raza and menscha. Its horribbble. La Raza wants any white male over 16 years old slaughtered and also interacial couples eliminated. Man and our government with corrupt Vicente Fox support these Mexican Nazis. We need to all get along. Again Yes Bush / Cheney and others are bringing our country down. Lets fight for justice people before it is too late, Sincerly Nibu Raphael.
Will you shut the hell up, you fucking moron. Go crawl back under the rock you crawled out from.
Why Jackson doesn't ban you like that shithead alter ego of yours, I don't know.
You add absolutely nothing to this board with your imbecilic posts. Not one goddamn thing.
Hi Hunt99,
I don't ban him because he doesn't break the rules.
Believe it or not, the Forum's Posting Guidelines do not require coherent writing or intelligent contributions.
Nevertheless, I share your sentiments.
Thanks,
Jackson
Jaimito Cartero
05-15-06, 19:48
Will you shut the hell up, you fucking moron. Go crawl back under the rock you crawled out from.
Why Jackson doesn't ban you like that shithead alter ego of yours, I don't know.
You add absolutely nothing to this board with your imbecilic posts. Not one goddamn thing.
Hi Hunt99,
I don't ban him because he doesn't break the rules.
Believe it or not, the Forum's Posting Guidelines do not require coherent writing or intelligent contributions.
Nevertheless, I share your sentiments.
Thanks,
JacksonHey, Hunt, tell us how you really feel. Annoying yes, but no reason to shit all over him. Can't you just IGNORE his posts?
Thomaso276
05-15-06, 20:12
"Lets fight for justice people before it is too late, Sincerly Nibu Raphael."
Personally I do not get too excited about politics because it is all the same. I have my own thoughts on our countrys security but all the other issues are just a matter of who to tax or who to give money to. But folks who are always demanding something be done do interest me.
What exactly is Nibu doing to correct all these problems? Donations to other political parties? Active in local, state or national issue groups? Organizing petitions and demonstrations for change? If he is taking a stand that's great, if not, why not?
Or is he just mouthing off and watching Michael Moore movies all day long (which I enjoy for their entertainment value)
Ol Nibu doesn't bother me much unless he's flooding multiple threads with his peculiar brand of wackiness. I'd like to see him drunk for about 5 minutes.
What exactly is Nibu doing to correct all these problems?Don't you get it, Thomaso? It's all one big, fucking windup. If you read back to his posts in the past, he would go on and on about "scummy Communists like Chavez in Venezuela." He doesn't believe anything, it's all about being a cocksucking troll. And unlike Exon, I don't mean it with affection.
I don't give a damn about his political opinions, if he went back to being the fire-eating right-winger he posted like a few months ago, I'd still say he is a fucking louse. It has nothing to do with the substance of his opinions (which is a big fat zero) and all about the waste of bandwidth we get from this cretin blowing his spooge all over the board with his illiterate, jerking-our-collective-chains nonsense.
Punter 127
06-22-06, 12:51
I'd like to know what you guys think:
1. What should be done about the North Korean missile situation? What action should be taken (if any) and by who?
2. What about the Iran nuclear situation, same questions.
I'm not looking for how the world got to this point, or who's at fault, we've heard all that, its history and we can't go back. So how should the world and the USA deal with these issues?
Punter 127
Norman Stormin
06-22-06, 13:38
King George Walker Bush should:
1. NUKE EM!
2. NUKE EM!
No more problems!
King George Walker Bush should:
1. NUKE EM!
2. NUKE EM!
No more problems!A couple of Democrat big-wigs advocated pretty much this solution for North Korea in an op-ed in today's Washington Post. John Kerry has been advocating a pre-emptive attack on Iran, as well.
Cognitive dissonance from the "cut and run" party.
Funny how they're eager to get involved in wars, but genetically don't have the balls to finish the job when the going might get a little tough. At least not since Harry Truman, the best Democrat president ever.
Bush loving supporter of family values (whatever that is) gets caught with illegal Viagra after a trip to the Dominican Republic. I wonder what he was doing there. Lecturing 20-year-old Dominicanas on the benefit of corporate tax giveaways?
Link to AP story.
http://apnews1.iwon.com//article/20060627/D8IGA3VO0.html?PG=home&SEC=news
So Rush Limbaugh is a monger.
That doesn't do much for our image. He's a piece of shit regardless of his politics and a hypocrite before this story.
Even odds, do you think he was sessioning with girls or boys in the Dominican Republic?
On the chi<0>s. Generally, the more devout these neocons seem to be, the more skeletons they have in the closet.
So Rush Limbaugh is a monger.
That doesn't do much for our image. He's a piece of shit regardless of his politics and a hypocrite before this story.
Even odds, do you think he was sessioning with girls or boys in the Dominican Republic?He might be an equal opportunity kid fucker or in to something a bit off kilter with adults. Polymorphous perverse maybe. Maybe he's meeting Donovan McNabb, or more likely he and Karl Rove are masturbating together while they gaze at one another in a full length mirror. That'll put you off your feed!
Punter 127
06-27-06, 16:15
I could not care less about what happens to Rush Limbaugh, but the fact that they hassled him over Viagra, does give me some concern. I know lots of guys bring vitamin V home from BsAs. Has anybody had any problems?
I could not care less about what happens to Rush Limbaugh, but the fact that they hassled him over Viagra, does give me some concern. I know lots of guys bring vitamin V home from BsAs. Has anybody had any problems?Seems the problem was that the prescription was not in his name. Probably not a big issue, and apparently cleared up by his physician. His doc is probably doing him a favor by putting some "questionable" prescriptions in his own name (given Rush's history of major "fraud" in that area re: Oxycontin) I am not an expert in this field, but if your script for whatever is in your own name you should not have a problem. However if you are running around from one country to another with 10 bottles of Xanax, and none in your name, expect some issues.
Maybe Mpexy can add some info here. My bet is that Rush would not have had a problem without his legal history.
Perhaps a customs agent wanted to harrass Rush. Detained for a bottle of viagra, come on. But Rush arriving from Dominican Republic with it makes a good story.
Punter 127
06-27-06, 19:42
I know a lot of guys that are buying, using, and bringing home 'vitamin V' don't have a prescription. Hell I know a guy that brought 5 boxes of 20 back on his last trip, and nobody said a word.
I could bring back 20 kilos of heroin and nobody would say a word, if I didn't get searched. My guess is the Dominican Republic's customs' agents knew nothing of Rush's history; they just looked in his belongings and the name on the script didn't match the name on the passport. Ummm, that's illegal and always has been.
I'm betting in the long run Rush gets pinched again for drugs and ends up doing time over it.
I've known a few people that got hooked on pills over the years, there was no way they were about to give them up, Rush is no exception.
Moreover, I'm betting Rush doesn't need a prescription to buy pills in the DR. He was probably partying while he was there.
Its also interesting to note he likes "Black Chica's"
We'll have to wait and see what he comes up with for a reason for getting pinched.
Exon.
Punter 127
06-27-06, 22:19
I could bring back 20 kilos of heroin and nobody would say a word, if I didn't get searched. My guess is the Dominican Republic's customs' agents knew nothing of Rush's history; they just looked in his belongings and the name on the script didn't match the name on the passport. Ummm, that's illegal and always has been.He was searched; he was pulled aside at EZE, for a random search, shoes and carry on. They were pulling about 1 of every 6 people; they didn't say a thing about the 'vitamin V'. I guess they were not looking for drugs.
But they did take my book matches?
I only know the medical side of the law, not the don't-put-me in jail side of the law for the fine nuances.
But all possession, importation, distribution, and / or manufacture of drugs from big companies down to physicians to end patients in the United States fall under the Controlled Substances Act. In short, every drug has a category under which it falls - Schedule I to Schedule V to non-classified (which means you can pack 10 cases of the stuff and you're fine)
Schedule I - no one wants to be caught with these. These are drugs that might be legal elsewhere in the world, but the United States has decided a) it has no currently accepted medical treatment use, and be) too dangerous for use even under medical supervision. Doctors can never prescribe a Schedule I drug, and mere possession whether you have a script for it or not is going to get you in trouble with whatever specific penalty each state or federal law applies for that type of drug. This category includes addictive drugs like meth, DMT, heroin, LSD, and more dubiously political drugs like GHB and marajuana.
Schedule II - One step lower but still fairly serious drugs, and oddly enough cocaine falls here because technically under certain circumstances it can be used by prescription as a topical anaesthetic. Although usually in the derivative form of eucaine. All schedule II drugs are only available by prescription and every single dosage from manufacture to distribution is strictly controlled. Possession of them has to be in your name for that prescription. Possession of non-prescribed schedule II drugs can get you in trouble. Rush's OxyContin from a purely technical side was the big deal it was because techincally OxyContin is a Schedule II drug. I'm sure there was politics behind it which I don't want to get into, but it's a lot easier to make politics out of someone getting caught with a Schedule II drug than some Schedule IV drug.
Schedule III - same as schedule II for prescription only but lot less distribution controls. Ketamine, codeine, anabolic steroids, etc all fall under this category. Same for possession - prescription better be under your name or technically you could be charged with unlawful possession of a controlled substrance.
Schedule IV - this is the hollywood crowd drug supermarket - all your usual mild sedatives - Xanax, Valium, other benzos, Ambien, barbituates and other phenobarbitals, etc. They are all again prescription only, but there's little to zero distribution controls. However, possession is still by your name script only. I don't know how other states do it, but in California, while it's technically a violation of the CSA to possess a non-prescribed Schedule IV drug, I don't recall ever hearing someone getting charged much less busted for it. I suppose it's up to the DA or ADA deciding how free their calendar is or whether there is some politics behind it.
Schedule V - some by prescription only, some non-prescription like your cough suppressants, anticonvulsants, etc. Technically like above, but it would be surprising for the Feds or State to charge you with possession.
Schedule VI - this is not a fed control, but a state by state regulation. Non-drug items like inhalants (amyl nitrate or poppers) nitrous oxide, etc. Are controlled here by some states. Oregon went nuts awhile back and decided any over the counter cold medication with pseduoephedrine (think Nyquil) now needed to be by prescription only as a Schedule VI drug. The supposed rationale was that in Oregon there was / is apparently an army of drug lords using the pseudoephedrine in cold medications to help manufacture methamphetamine. I suppose these drug lords all don't have cars and can't just step over the border to Washington but oh well.
Non-classified - free for all.
For the Rush case that spurred this question - I have no idea why he was detained or even had his doctor have to vouch for him. Sildenafil or Viagra is not a controlled substance - it's prescription only to obtain them yes, and technically if they can prove purchase without prescription was made it's illegal, but it's not a Schedule classified drug. So while it may require a prescripton to obtain it, there's no control over possession. If he had been caught with Xanax which is a controlled substance, that would be one thing - but Viagra is a non-controlled prescription only drug. Physicans don't even need a special license to prescribe it like with most controlled substances so that it can be monitored - it just falls under the general script authority.
I'm betting in the long run Rush gets pinched again for drugs and ends up doing time over it.
I've known a few people that got hooked on pills over the years, there was no way they were about to give them up, Rush is no exception.
Moreover, I'm betting Rush doesn't need a prescription to buy pills in the DR. He was probably partying while he was there.
Its also interesting to note he like's "Black Chica's"
We'll have to wait and see what he comes up with for a reason for getting pinched.
Exon.The guy is a walking contradiction. On air, a vehement religious conservative, off air, a pill popping, minority fucking hedonist. He's not so bad after all!:D
Mpexy: Show me credible evidence that LSD is addictive.
Punter: Yeah, that's here in Argentina. They search him in Miami or wherever in SP, could and probably would be a different story.
Some comments on Mpexy's post-and thanks for the info. I have never seen any evidence of LSD being addictive, and if there is "any" it is more bogus horseshit cooked up by the righteous right. Limbaugh's run in with the law was clearly not political. It may have ended up with alot of politics involved because of his notoriety, but he was HEAVILY involved in working multiple physicians for scripts of oxy and derivitives. I don't remember the details, but recall at the time being amazed at the extent of his involvement, addiction wise and with the expected legal ramifications. Those kinds of cases ARE prosecuted regularly, but with folks not as well known, and plea bargains are frequent. Yes, his case became a political football, but there were legit criminal offenses. In fact, he is probably lucky he was caught. It sounds like he was out of control and being out of control with Oxy is very dangerous. Ask any ER doc.
I'm not going to become embroiled in a debate on LSD, whether of it's properties or political position on use. So this is my first and last reply on it.
Re-read my post, which I now regret even making. People just don't read and jump on whatever pet hobby horse they want to beat. First, it's not me saying one way or the other whether LSD is addicitive, I was stating what the CSA Schedule classification of drugs generally consider as the criteria to place drugs in that schedule level.
Generally, if a drug is considered of no medical use, highly abusive and / or addicitive, and / or too unsafe to use even under medical supervision, a drug is considered a Scheduled I controlled substance. However there are exceptions if you want to be specific and go down this road - take flunitrazepam or Rohypnol - it used to be a Schedule IV drug, got moved up to Schedule III, and now being processed for Schedule I. That's more political than medical for the classification of rohypnol as a Schedule I drug.
For exact criteria for why and / or how LSD got onto the schedule one list you'll have to ask the DEA and the Feds. Like I said, I was just stating the medical side of the law that physicians have to be aware of as part of prescribing controlled substances.
If you don't think LSD should be classified generally as addicitive, good for you. I'd say that's just believing what you want to believe. On the neurochemical side, you have some support to think that way if you only choose to interpret one facet of it. Specifically that LSD is rapidly absorbed and after repeated use will have lesser and lesser effect if continually used in most individuals, and there has been little to no linkage to neurochemical reliance or compulsive behaviour association similar to cocaine, nicotine, etc. After halting use for some days, the hallucinogenic mental state can be usually felt again. So you can choose to interpret this as a non-chemical reliance and no real physical addition state.
Personally, I'd consider that foolish. Entire drug rehab call centers and hospital staff that see LSD "addicts" who are strongly addicted psychologically to the desired mental effects of LSD would disagree. Myself included. Whether you are hooked physically or psychologically to the effects of the drug is just as much an addiction in my mind as the actual neurochemical reliance on the drug iteself.
Either way though, it's in the end irrelevant - LSD is a Schedule I controlled substance and considered addicitve by the United States. Go howl at the Feds if you disagree, I'm just relaying what it's classification is vis a vis the schedule level.
Mpexy,
Sorry you felt blindsided about the LSD thing. That certainly was not my intent. You are in the unfortunate position of having alot of knowledge about issues that can stir up debate. And yes, LSD as addictive is an interest of mine. My comments were certainly not personal in nature as regards LSD, Limbaugh or anything else. Thanks for the input.
Doggboy
I did LSD every day for twenty years and I wasn't addicted.
The guy is a walking contradiction. On air, a vehement religious conservative, off air, a pill popping, minority fucking hedonist. He's not so bad after all!:DYou obviously have never spent much time listening to the show.
Doggboy demonstrates that it's always easier to attack a non-existent strawman than to have a thoughtful opinion. The guy has never come across as a prude or a bigot, nor has he ever discussed his religious beliefs when I have listened.
You obviously have never spent much time listening to the show.
Doggboy demonstrates that it's always easier to attack a non-existent strawman than to have a thoughtful opinion. The guy has never come across as a prude or a bigot, nor has he ever discussed his religious beliefs when I have listened.Hunt99,
I'll confess that I MAY have overstepped with the inference that Rush is a religious nut, but the bigot issue seems pretty clear. His thinly veiled racist statements about Donovan McNabb a few years back were enough evidence for me. AND, if he is not a racist, those kinds of statements indicate something even worse-a pandering to his racist listeners. I will say that Rush is old news, and not a strawman anymore for many. That said, "celebs" on either side of the political fence will be skewered from time to time for their indiscretions. Whether they are the Rushes of the world, or the Kennedys.;)
Flexible Horn
06-28-06, 17:36
Obviously us here in Europe watched the devastation of hurricane Katrina on our news channels.
Today in our papers is a picture of 10,000 (yes ten thousand) mobile homes laying empty in an airfield in Arkansas. Each new one costing £18,000.00 and £125,000.00 a month to store them.
Also stated is that 335 individuals have been filed with criminal charges.
Out of this terrible tragedy some people are making lots of money. Why and how?
Thomaso276
06-28-06, 20:10
New Orleans politcians are trained in Buenos Aires. Historically it is a very corrupt area.
New Orleans politcians are trained in Buenos Aires. Historically it is a very corrupt area.I think it may be the other way around. Buenos Aires politicians are trained in New Orleans.
Norman Stormin
07-04-06, 13:04
To all you North American Colonial Mongers: Lay one today for "Old Glory"!
And for you Loyalists whose ancestors "missed the boat": God Save the Queen! And Tony Blair too!
Happy Independence day to all my fellow Americans. And thanks for the British Rock & Roll invasion.
Latex is for Halloween masks. I hate condoms. It feels so good not having to use a condom when I have sex with my novia in Estados Unidos. I, m also not into paying for sex. But variety is nice.
Flexible Horn
07-04-06, 19:48
And for you Loyalists whose ancestors "missed the boat": God Save the Queen!80 years young and still going strong, God bless you mam
The British tried to take Buenos Aires in 1805, and were reppelled by gauchos and militia.
What about the increasing number of conservatives that suck dick?:D
As Doggboy readies to leave Miami for Barcelona the exchange rate with the euro hits $1.31, the Chinese are frequently hinting about "diversifing" and how much more do you want to know? Doggboy suggests you fellows who think the US economy and the dollar are rock solid better start diversifying a bit yourself. Before it's all over with, Uruguayan banks may look like an alternative for things other than routing dollars to BA for real estate deals. An ill wind is blowing and today's dollars could be tomorrow's expensive toilet paper.
If you had to put your life savings in a bank account for 50 years would you choose USD or Euros?
Will Euros even exist?
StrayLight
11-25-06, 12:07
Doggboy suggests you fellows who think the US economy and the dollar are rock solid better start diversifying a bit yourself. Before it's all over with, Uruguayan banks may look like an alternative for things other than routing dollars to BA for real estate deals. An ill wind is blowing and today's dollars could be tomorrow's expensive toilet paper.From several of your other posts, I would infer that you are roughly around my age: mid-50s. If so, I would call your attention to all the other times in the past 40 years or so that the U. S.economy...the American dollar...whatever...was perceived to be sliding irrevocably downhill, and the pundits saying essentially that soon the dollar would be tomorrow's expensive toilet paper.
At some point in the distant future that may, indeed, be the case. After all, America probably will not maintain its military/economic/political supremacy forever. But from a near-term point of view -- i.e., the rest of our natural lives -- I don't see that happening. I'd be more concerned about global warming than about the dollar losing enough value to have a seriously adverse impact on my life over a long period of time.
SL
Doggboy is right, the dollar is Fucked.
This is one of the reason's that both Gold & Oil have risen in price, both sold in dollars.
The only thing that could save the dollar would be a rise in intetrest rates which would trash our economy and would be only a short term fix.
The United States can not compete in the internation market place on any idem that is labor intensive. Hense, the third world economies, China, India and the like are becoming the driving engines of world commerce.
Remember Ross Perot and his famious line "That Sucking Sound" as jobs head for Mexico.
Well now your seeing it on a world wide basis with both jobs a capital fleeing the country searching for more competitive markets, looking for a better return.
Were Fucked and anyone that doesn't believe it is a fool. There will come a time where most everyone in America will have to take a cut in their standard of living just like the Argentines have with their "Crisis"
I do this sort of thing for a living and I know what I'm talking about.
Exon
I don't believe for one nanosecond that the US economy is going to collapse. Too many fools have been making this prediction since the 1970s, and I had listened to them, I would be living with nothing more than a coffee can full of gold coins buried in the backyard of my rented apartment.
The dollar goes up, and the dollar goes down. It runs in cycles, like in any free economy. In the 70s it was way down. In the 80s it was way up. In the early 90s it was way down again. In the late 90s it was higher than ever. Now it's cycled back down again. Big fucking deal.
If you want to go about this the right way, the lesson is to be diversified in your assets. I personally have 30% of my stock portfolio in a broadly diversified basket of international stocks. If the dollar goes down, I make even more money. If it doesn't, the cycles will even out, and I will make still more money.
Or you can listen to the latest generation of fools predicting economic armageddon. If anybody wants some old books from Howard Ruff, forecasting disaster, published in the 1970s, I can send them to you and you can save yourself the money you'd spend on the more current prophets of doom and gloom. I think I also have Ravi Batra's famous book, "The Great Depression of 1990." They all tell the same story, only in different years, and they're all bullshit.
StrayLight
11-26-06, 01:25
I do this sort of thing for a living and I know what I'm talking about.BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....{cough}....{cough}....{cough}. ...Whew! Please, man, don't say that kind of shit while I'm eating. I mean, it's funny and all, but really, you can't be telling jokes like that while people have stuff in their mouths. It'll fucking KILL 'em from laughing so hard!
SL
Exon is right unfortunately, because it means the decline of this country.
How can any country have an $8 trillion debt and growing larger every year and have it's economy survive? Anyone who thinks a country in such debt is not in serious danger of collapse sometime in the next 30 years is ignoring basic economics and the obvious.
It is amazing how so many intelligent people always ignore the $8 trillion dollar debt as if it were nothing.
And with the jobs and technology moving to China and India ever faster, it can only get worse. If I remember correctly, for the first time ever, the US did not file for the most international patents for last year-that honor went to China.
And we have only ourselves to blame because the politicans and corporate execs only look to next quarter rather than to the next decade.
Suerte.
Stowe
StrayLight
11-26-06, 02:04
Exon is right unfortunately.No, Moore is right. The so-called collapse of the American economy has been the basic stuff of predictions at least as far back as the '70s.
For every doomsday statistic cited -- e. G. 8 trillion dollar debt or whatever -- there is another statistic being completely overlooked.
As J. P. Morgan said about the stock market, "It will fluctuate." Same same about the dollar...the economy...etc.
SL
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.{cough}.{cough}.{cough}. Whew! Please, man, don't say that kind of shit while I'm eating. I mean, it's funny and all, but really, you can't be telling jokes like that while people have stuff in their mouths. It'll fucking KILL 'em from laughing so hard!
SLThen Don't Read My Posts While Your Eating.
Exon
Hi,
I sincerely appreciate your reports, but...
Would you please STOP capitalizing the first letter of EVERY word in your reports!
It's difficult to read, it's time consuming to fix, and it takes you more work to write like that.
On behalf of myself and your fellow Forum Members: Thank You!
Jackson
Please provide:
A. The present number of Dollars per Euro:
B. The number of Dollars per Euro in 2001:
C. The number of Dollars per Euro in 1996 (based on the currency basket weightings):
Answers:
A. 1.30
B .85
C. 1.30
So much for the imminent disaster. However, you Armageddon theorists, please convert your holdings into gold coins and bury them in your back yard while I buy US stocks and real estate. In 20 years I will be even richer and you will still be waiting for Armageddon to arrive.
Hunt, I agree with what you are saying, but I also think you got off the main point. I don't think anyone is saying the US isn't a safe investment at all, even though we have tons of unemployed, a huge deficit, corruption is getting worse, blah blah blah so on and so forth. The point is many people think that it isn't as solid as it used to be and for that reason, many people are advocating diversification. I personaly agree that it's not good to have " all your eggs in one basket ".
I don't think I would every liquidate all my US assets, but investing in up and coming economies is a very good thing, and just like the stock market, you need to know when to get in and when to get out. I agree the Euro is gaining on the dollar, I was just there and 5 years ago many people preffered to deal in dollars and keep their savings in dollars, these days people are switching to the Euro, do I think it's the smartest thing to do? Maybe, maybe not, but it is more common than you might think.
In Ukraine for instance all real estate transactions used to be done and priced in dollars, now it's starting to move towards the Euro. Alot of people around the world seem to think diversification is the best bet.
I would suggest that instead of " having one dirty little finger in one dirty little pie you should have all your dirty little fingers in all the dirty little pies".
BTW, that's a quote from the movie Lock, Stock and two smoking barrels, great movie:D.
Badboy
Diversify abroad absolutely. You don't even need foreign corporations/funds in order to have substantial global exposure. Just owning Coca Cola might not be a bad idea.
I believe that during the 1970s and early 1980s many people thought the USA was doomed and definitely not as strong as it used to be. The economy was weak, there was stagflation and Carter, an energy crisis, Vietnam was recent, and everything produced abroad seemed superior to an American product.
Then the Reagan administration arrived and possibly the the strongest period of sustained economic growth in US history began. The information revolution arrived a bit later and the USA pioneered and led the charge as usual. We heard a lot less preaching about the imminent collapse of the US ecomony for about 20 years.
Whatever the next economic, industrial, or technical revolution is, it will almost surely be led by the USA using the last 150 years as a guide. That is because it is still the most entreprenurial, dynamic, developed, free market on the planet with no country poised to take its place in the forseeable future, regardless of the national debt.
I agree with alot of what you said Moore, but I have to say you overlooked two things, first being during the 1970' s, The US wasn't dealing with an economic powerhouse like China, India, or Energy giants like Russia. I could go on and on about the differences between now and then, but the point is things HAVE changed, and your predictions about the next technical, economic, industrial revolution being led by the US, is more of a maybe than a definite. I just read somewhere that for the first time in history China is overtaking the US in Patents, they are also publishing more research and scholarship, it's not a huge thing, but it is a sign that the future is not a given. There is a reason the US government and US corporations are knee deep in Asia. They can say anything they want for politically motivated talking points, but MOST people forsee that the new emerging economic powerhouse is Asia. Just three letters S. C. O, get used to them because in the future you will hear alot more about them.
I think All you have said about the US is true, but the point is to stay focused on growth and development and stop dumping all our money on the M. I. C, I really think Keynes was misinterpretted to the detriment of mankind. But maybe he predicted that also. It seems we are more interested in holding the biggest gun in the world and less on having the strongest economy or maybe we equate one with the other and THAT might be the problem. All the new economies have said time and time again that they prefer dealing with countries like China and Russia, because they don't like US strong arm tactics and lack of respect, and BEFORE, there wasn't a good strong alternative and now there is. The US CAN maintain it's position, but it will take the new generation to change and adapt to the new global economy. Just as history has taught all of us I hope, you either change and adapt or you become extinct, Just ask the Romans, the Ottomans, the U. K, the Soviet Union, so on and so forth. Let's be honest about one thing, The US hasn't always gotten ahead by it's inovation alone, I won't go into it but anyone who knows history, knows we had a " few helping hands ".
Badboy
StrayLight
11-27-06, 12:02
I agree with alot of what you said moore, but I have to say you overlooked two things, first being during the 1970' s, The US wasn't dealing with an economic powerhouse like China, India, or Energy giants like Russia. I agree with you that the past is always a little bit differnt from the future; analogies are just analogies, and at some point they break down and things actually are different and change occurs.
Nonetheless, in terms of economic powerhouses, the U. S. Had to deal with Japan, which was perceived to be a huge economic powerhouse way back when. Magazine covers were full of feature articles about the decline of America to a resurgent Japan. What happened?
And in terms of energy giants, the U. S. had to deal with a very strong (at the time) OPEC. And the naysayers and doomsday prognosticators were beside themselves with how this spelled the end of American economic dominance. What happened?
I think Moore is spot on in his assessment about America's more intangible assets, and their imlications on the economic future.
Yes AND no, for one thing, OPEC is one of the big reasons we are STILL paying 55-60 a barrel, so they are kicking our ass in those terms, and right now as we speak the US is falling over themselves to try to stop the NEW energy cartel being started by Russia and many other african and central asian countries with loads of natural resources, the US and Europe fear these energy cartels. That is the truth so I think the jury is still out on that one, as far as your Japan assesment, you are 100 % correct, BUT, and this is a big BUT, you continue to miss the point, we aren't in a 1970's economy anymore, we aren't dealing with countries we are dealing with blocks of nations with a limitless supply of energy, consumer populations, and so on. Japan could not sustain growth because in the end it is just a small island with very little natural and energy resources of it's own. It was only a matter of time. It was like saying we should fear Taiwan. They might have big money and big industry but there is a limit to what a small island with very few resources can achieve.
The SCO is something different, you have India, China, Russia, Kazhakstan, Iran and Possibly Pakistan in the near future agreeing to work together on trade, military, science, defense, research and development, energy trade and policy. This is NOT Japan. You will see a little more in the future as this will be gradual. But the poles are slowly shifting. We can overcome that, but we need to start thinking outside the box and leave the whole " manifest destiny " bit at the door because if we don't refrain from our arrogance we will learn our lessons the hard way.
Again I never said the US isn't solid, but for how long doesn't depend on us saying so, but on our actions around the world. Nothing is certain.
Badboy
It means that we're paying the same price for oil now as we did in 1984, and a third less than we did in 1979, when you adjust for inflation.
Oooh! Oooh! The sky is falling! The sky is falling!
And by the way, BB13, the energy supply is in fact limitless, and not just in the Middle East. If oil gets expensive enough, the US can process the oil shale in the western states into fuel. There is the equivalent of 1 trillion (that's trillion with a "t") barrels of oil sitting in shale in Colorado, Wyoming, and Utah. Don't lose sleep worrying about the future. The only thing that one need fear is socialist economic policies which could strangle innovation, production, and investment.
Many of those things are found in the US economy, but I guess we can all nit pick, I don't think Japan was ever on the level that China is on. And no offense but I just can't really take serious your last comment, I mean I don't even believe you bought this last one. You are basically telling us the the TOP US corporations are all wrong and they are somehow misguidedly tripping over themselves investing billions upon billions into the chinese economy and they are all at each others throats trying to secure exclusive rights to the chinese purchase power present and future. The thing is if your "prediction" is correct some of the biggest losers will be US corporations. I don't think you could make that comment straight faced to a room full of top level multi national C. E. O's and be taken seriously. I think sometimes you try too hard to win an argument. And I am sure you agree, this time you really gave most a good laugh.
Badboy
Talk about doomsday theories
Thomaso276
11-27-06, 19:54
Plus, can you imgine how many Chinese Supermecardos they have in China? Not the best places to shop in BA for quality and price.
For people who owned stocks in Germany, at two times in the last 90 years their holdings went to zero. At least once in Italy and Japan. The same was true in China. And was also true in various other countries, many times.
The Chinese banking system is utterly bankrupt, Papa Benito has hit this one right on the head. The banks are forced by the government to make worthless loans to state-owned or state-affiliated enterprises. These non-performing loans far exceed any prudent reserve standards (upwards of 50% of Chinese "bank" loans are non-performing). I recently read that there are at least 3000 ball bearing factories in China either recently built or under construction. How many of them do you really think the world needs? Or that are running at 80% capacity?
On the bright side, Citibank, Morgan Stanley, and other Western banks are being brought in to "invest" in the Chinese banks. We'll see how that goes.
Well I guess we should be talking, since we owe them our shirts, or at least we owe them trillions, that is. They are paying for our war on terrorism. Those guys have stockpiles of money, I am not really worried about China in the near future. Of course there are weak points in THEIR economy, just like their are very very weak points in the US economy. I guess we are doing better since we are in a huge deficit and they have huge surpluses. Let me know when WE stop borrowing money from them, then I might take all your " concerns " seriously. Plus, all that " valuable " US real estate? Why don't you tell me how much of it is owned by China? Guys are buying american more than americans. I think one of the biggest problems the US is having is getting China to stop saving money and start spending it on US corporations.
But hey I guess we can all dream,
Badboy
Again, I think you will have a VERY hard time convinced just about every US and every other major corporation in the world NOT to invest in China. And you are very right NOT to want your " predictions " to come true, The world has become very VERY dependent on China and their economy and their money. China goes, we go also.
StrayLight
11-27-06, 22:39
You are basically telling us the the TOP US corporations are all wrong and they are somehow misguidedly tripping over themselves investing billions upon billions into the chinese economy and they are all at each others throats trying to secure exclusive rights to the chinese purchase power present and future. The thing is if your "prediction" is correct some of the biggest losers will be US corporations. I don't think you could make that comment straight faced to a room full of top level multi national C. E. O's and be taken seriously.I would never, ever, ever, in a million years, take the fact that all U. S. Corporations are doing something as proof that it is in any way the right or prudent thing to do. This falls under the category of Exon's joke, "I do this for a living so I know what I'm talking about."
If I were going to look somewhere for guidance on where things might be going, I'd look to see what a tried and true investor like Warren Buffett, or a tried and true fund manager like Bill Miller, is doing.
But corporations? No fucking way.
we owe them trillionsWhen I owe one million dollars, the bank owns me. When I owe one trillion dollars, I own the bank.
A lot of those numbers are inflated, wrong, or simply misleading when viewed in isolation. Don't sweat them.
Well I can't argue with you there Stray, The Sage of Omaha is a good bet, moreso than our very own mongering nostrodamus (no offense nostradamus) On CNN money as we speak " the US dollar is at a 20 month low against the Euro". Seems hedge funds are dumping on the dollar.
Some of Warren's thoughts.
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Public stances:
Buffett has repeatedly criticized the financial industry for what he considers to be a proliferation of advisors who add no value but are compensated based on the volume of business transactions which they facilitate. He has pointed to the growing volume of stock trades as evidence that an ever-greater proportion of investors' gains are going to brokers and other middle-men.
Buffett emphasized the non-productive aspect of gold in 1998 at Harvard: "It gets dug out of the ground in Africa, or someplace. Then we melt it down, dig another hole, bury it again and pay people to stand around guarding it. It has no utility. Anyone watching from Mars would be scratching their head."
Buffett believes that the U. S. Dollar will lose value in the long run. He views the United States' expanding trade deficit as an alarming trend that will devalue the U. S. Dollar and U. S. Assets. As a result it is putting a larger portion of ownership of U. S. Assets in the hands of foreigners. This induced Buffett to enter the foreign currency market for the first time in 2002. However, he substantially reduced his stake in 2005, as changing interest rates increased the costs of holding currency contracts. Buffett continues to be bearish on the dollar, and says he is looking to make acquisitions of companies which derive a substantial portion of their revenues from outside the United States.
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Well I hope that helped ease some minds. If you need citations I would be happy to give you some.;)
Badboy
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