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I have been down here working for a month at a time with the company picking up the hotel tab and per-diem. I was offered the opportunity to move down here full time permanant, but I will have to pick up the tab. Realisticly, what do you guys think the cost of living would be to move here. I would like a small studio apartment, near Retiro, Centro area. Is it even possible to rent long term? I have to give them an answer soon and need help. If any of you permanant residents have opinions or advice, please respond or PM me. Thank you
Orlandoirish
04-21-06, 17:55
You need to use BART
A) Accept. Move here.
B) Call the balls. Set the terms. Your company should pay for everything plus 50%. Or they can find a local Argentine thief that will rob them blind.
C) Decide on the color of your new Alfa Romeo 166 company car. I like the lavender - very nice with a slight pimp motif.
I would definately rent, it is only a year or two. What is Bart? The company would fly me back to the States twice a year, give me a substantial payraise, but leave me to my own devices here as far as accomodations and transportation. I am basically trying to calculate what the expenses are and determine if the payraise would be worth it, or just consumed by the expense of trying to live down here. I know my healthcare plan in the States is useless here, so I would have to get something local. I would also need to find someone who would rent to me without me being a resident. Anyway, thanks for the responses so far.
I would definately rent, it is only a year or two. What is Bart? The company would fly me back to the States twice a year, give me a substantial payraise, but leave me to my own devices here as far as accomodations and transportation. I am basically trying to calculate what the expenses are and determine if the payraise would be worth it, or just consumed by the expense of trying to live down here. I know my healthcare plan in the States is useless here, so I would have to get something local. I would also need to find someone who would rent to me without me being a resident. Anyway, thanks for the responses so far.2 years ago, I was used to live in BA pretty well for less than ARS 2,000, chicas not included. Roughly, ARS 600 rent, ARS 200 utilities, ARS 400-500 food, ARS 200-300 transportation, and the rest, miscellaneous.
Your company should provide HMO. Otherwise, it would cost ARS 300.
Hope this helps,
Andres
I would definately rent, it is only a year or two. What is Bart? The company would fly me back to the States twice a year, give me a substantial payraise, but leave me to my own devices here as far as accomodations and transportation. I am basically trying to calculate what the expenses are and determine if the payraise would be worth it, or just consumed by the expense of trying to live down here. I know my healthcare plan in the States is useless here, so I would have to get something local. I would also need to find someone who would rent to me without me being a resident. Anyway, thanks for the responses so far.All of this is doable for you, and chances are better than great that the cost of living compared to wherever you are will be much less. There is alot of info in the forum. Researching it thoroughly will help alot. Also check other websites for info about moving here. Particularly:
http://expat-argentina.blogspot.com/
If I were you I would jump on the chance to relocate. That's what I did.
Punter 127
04-21-06, 22:29
2 years ago, I was used to live in BA pretty well for less than ARS 2,000, chicas not included. Roughly, ARS 600 rent, ARS 200 utilities, ARS 400-500 food, ARS 200-300 transportation, and the rest, miscellaneous.
Your company should provide HMO. Otherwise, it would cost ARS 300.
Hope this helps,
AndresAndres,
What kind of an apartment can you get for "ARS 600"? What location? Sounds low to me, but I have only rented for a week or two at a time.
Punter 127
Check out CL for Buenos Aires for apartment rentals.
Andres,
What kind of an apartment can you get for "ARS 600"? What location? Sounds low to me, but I have only rented for a week or two at a time.
Punter 127A small 1 bedroom apartment in a very nice area of Palermo.
Being that I am a local and that I have access to solid warrantors, I can pay local prices.
Andres
Billy32,
As an American with American habits (drinking/consuming more, bigger apartment, etc) Id say that ARS6,000 per month is a much more realistic monthly expense level. I'm including whoares in that figure, but it is by no means a "party like a rockstar" budget. I didnt know that being a local and/or having a garantia got you a better rental rate, but I will bet that you're not going to find anything in a decent area with some breathing space for under ARS2000/mo. I've seen several tiny studio apartments that local friends/girlfriends live in (some pay less than ARS600) and there is no way I could live in one of those shoeboxes. Another disparity I have is utilities - I spend about ARS600/mo+ and consume little (landline, cell, cable, water, gas, internet, electric)
You should have a good US$ salary and be laughing all the way to the bank spending only US$2,000/mo here. Also you get an annual 80k US income tax exclusion if you reside in a foreign country for more than 330 full days per year. So just the income tax savings is worth about US$2k per month!
Moore,
Is that an 80k tax exclusion every year, or just the first year you are here? I have heard conflicting reports on that.
Every year, 100% sure!
Check out the IRS site and you can see all forms and instructions, including publication number 54 for Americans living abroad.
Rock Harders
04-22-06, 00:03
Mongers,
I beg to differ on Moore's statement about not being able to find suitable lodgings for less than $2000 AR per month. Just take a look at the classificados on Clarin. Com, there are a plethora of desirable apartments in fine areas (Barrio Norte, Palermo, etc. For $1200 AR per month and probably less. Naturally, the cost of utilities and building fees will add on to the basic rental price, but I bet $1500 AR per month would cover a really, really nice place to live with all the fees and utilities paid.
Suerte,
Dirk Diggler
Goddamn it, do landlords give you the Dirk discount too!
I keep hearing about these wonderful apartments for $400-$600US. While I didn't do an exhaustive search, I could not find what I consider to be a decent place for those prices. I do think portenos have a huge leg up in this area, and that they "take care of their own". Maybe Dirk is an honorary porteno by now. If so, more power to him.
And Moore, thanks for the tax info.
I actually pay less than ARS1500/mo for an 11th-floor, 100m2, fully-furnished penthouse in Recoleta with my own underground parking space (worth about 300/mo alone) and 24hour security. I dont remember an amateur girl walking in that wasn't spreading her legs within 30 minutes. The terrace on the roof of the building is an absolute clincher in case of any doubt. The place is probably worth at least double what I pay.
But I'm not the bragging type and I realize that I may have some advantages that others might not.:D
I don't remember an amateur girl walking in that wasnt spreading her legs within 30 minutes.And sticking a dildo in her pussy (http://www.argentinaprivate.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=20178).
Love that photo you posted. ;)
Sportsman
Thanks for all of the rapid replys. I appreciate all of your input.
I'm not sure if this is the right Forum to post this in, but here goes. I'm looking to spent 6 months from October 06 without working other than to transform myself to LeanBastard.
I want to rent an apartment in a city that can offer as much of the following as possible.
•A safe "big" city (200k minimum)
•A summer climate.
•Not to high living expenses including a reasonably priced apartment.
•Access to high speed internet, preferable in the rented apartment.
•Gym facilities of a western standard.
•Good mongering opportunities so I can reward myself for losing weight.
Where I can concentrate on exercising & training and perhaps learning a language and off course do some mongering. My budget would be about 2.000 – 3.000 dollars a month.
I would appreciate any input or suggestions for this slightly off-topic question.
Is the above points possible to get in Argentina?
Vikingt52
I think thats a little on the "Light" side, $2,000 to $3,000 thousand dollars a month. Course, I'm not going all that way down their to live like a "DickHead".
I budget about $500 peso's a day, for day to day living expense's, plus Airfare, Plus rent. This covers all the "Pussy" I can "Fuck", a "Hand Job" now and then, "Fine Dinning", "Shopping", (Your a Fool if You Go Down and Not Buy Some Cloths, Its Just Such a Good bargain) and of Course all the "Beefeaters I want.
"Exon" is not about to deprive himself of any creature comforts.
Exon
Dickhead lives quite well on $2,000 (Hey Exon if you have the $ sign you don't need to write "dollars"; $2,000 dollars is redundant) but wishes he had $3,000 US so he could get "A Lot More Pussy." However Dickhead is nearly 50 now and probably could not really get much more pussy than he already does.
$3,000 US a month is a lot of money here if you are going to be here for 6 months and rent an apartment. Sample costs in US dollars:
Furnished one bedroom temporary apartment = 600 per month.
Mid-scale gym = 25 per month.
Bottle of San Telmo Malbec in the grocery store = 3
Pussy if you have game and speak Spanish = 45
Pussy if you are FBOU and / or don't speak Spanish = 65
An hour of shooting pool = 2
Movie ticket = 2 to 3 depending on day of the week.
Bus ride = 0.25
Cab ride halfway across town = 5
Newspaper = 0.50
High speed internet = 40 per month.
Spanish lessons with private tutor = 6-7 per hour.
5 grams of low grade marijuana = 8
50 mg of Viagra = 1,50
2 tabs of Cialis = 16
Hand job = free*
Not paying taxes to support the war in Iraq = priceless.
These are based on an exchange rate of 3,05 Argentine pesos to one dollar.
* unless you are fucking quadraplegic for Christ's sake
Exon123, thank you for your input, its much appreciated.
I'm not totally sure of the exchange rate but a quick calculation tells me that you would budget with 30.000 dollars for a 6 months visit?
The 2-3.000 a month are for rent + living expenses, but not mongering & air fare. I would have thought that was plenty for Argentina. I could easily live in any european city for 3.000 dollars a month (not including mongering)
Vikingt52
I think thats a little on the "Light" side, $2,000 to $3,000 thousand dollars a month. Course, I'm not going all that way down their to live like a "DickHead".
I budget about $500 peso's a day, for day to day living expense's, plus Airfare, Plus rent. This covers all the "Pussy" I can "Fuck", a "Hand Job" now and then, "Fine Dinning", "Shopping", (Your a Fool if You Go Down and Not Buy Some Cloths, Its Just Such a Good bargain) and of Course all the "Beefeaters I want.
"Exon" is not about to deprive himself of any creature comforts.
Exon
Hi Dickhead.
Thanks very much for the very relevant information regarding prices. It certainly looks like Buenos Aires are a good choice, but how about the security situation?
Vikingt52
The figure I quote was with all the Mongering I can take. I mean you can only Fuck just so much.
Yea, take out the mongering and you can probably make it.
There is free Pussy down there Ive heard about, course I don't want any.
Exon
My budget of $2100 US per month allows me to get laid every other day. The security situation in BA is terrible. Machine gun toting thugs on every corner, plus every form of pestilence from huge snakes to rats to frequent outbreaks of cholera. It's really not a suitable place for foreigners to visit.
It's not that I only can afford $3.000, but my experience tell me that my mongering activities varies greatly in frequency, so I always leave that out of my calculations.
But I offcourse haven't been to Argentina yet, and I have heard great things about the mongering options:-)
I smell a mongerer trying to keep all the hot chicas for himself;-)
My budget of $2100 US per month allows me to get laid every other day. The security situation in BA is terrible. Machine gun toting thugs on every corner, plus every form of pestilence from huge snakes to rats to frequent outbreaks of cholera. It's really not a suitable place for foreigners to visit.
Jaimito Cartero
05-14-06, 17:33
$3000 is reasonable if you get a monthly rate on an apartment, and don't hang out at Blacks. As long as the airfare isn't terrible, I can do 3k with airfare, apt, mongering and food, but I'm a cheap bastard, and spend an inordinate amount of time looking for airfare bargains and such.
It's not that I only can afford $3.000, but my experience tell me that my mongering activities varies greatly in frequency, so I always leave that out of my calculations.
But I offcourse haven't been to Argentina yet, and I have heard great things about the mongering options:-)Vikingt52
Once you've seen it and experienced Buenos Aires you'll be moving there.
Exon
Jaimito Cartero
05-14-06, 20:43
Vikingt52
Once you've seen it and experienced Buenos Aires You'll be moving their.
ExonHow come you don't live there then, CockSucker!:)
I would suggest this thread be merged with the already existing "Cost of Living in BA - Need Serious Advice" thread. Useful numbers are there, Viking.
uenos Aires is a very nice city and cheap too. I usually spend a month every year there.
Dickhead's pricing is absolutely right.
The problem for me is that there are not beaches close to Buenos and I don't get the feeling of being on holidays if I don't go to the beach for a few hours every day.
So for the last two years I spend more time in Fortaleza-Brasil although it is more expensive. But still within your budget. Plenty of beaches and girls. Consider that as an option too.
Alternative you may devide your time between those two places and you will have plenty of time to learn two languages.
El Greco
Thanks for all the great advice. What a helpful bunch you are. I hope I can respond by reporting later this year, if I choose to go to BsA, which does seem likely.
I have a question regading the $80k tax exemption for living abroad if anyone has any experience. In reviewing the IRS publication 54, the caveat seems to be that you must have foreign earned income to qualify (pension and social security income does not qualify as foreign earned income) What I am wondering is if I am living in BA and do consulting work for a US based company, just doing the work remotely, am I able to claim that as foreign earned income and thus be eligible for the $80k exemption? Anyone have any thoughts?
There is a thread in Living in Argentina specifically discussing the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion.
The answer to your question is yes, if you are out of the US for 330 days out of any 365 day period that includes the period when the income was earned.
Thanks for the info, I'll jump over to the other thread.
Cost of living in Buenos Aires.
Many people have wondered what are the costs to live in Buenos Aires. I have lived here over 15 years and during that time they have changed drastically at least 3 times! Now we are "enjoying" an exchange rate of about 3 pesos to 1 dollar, so if your income is in dollars, you are doing pretty well. But, many ask about health insurance, driving a car, school costs and renting an apartment. These costs can vary depending on the quality you choose, but here is a rough breakdown of what I am paying "these days", (January, 2007): (current inflation is about 10% a year. But that's one of the governments "big" lie)
*A word about renting an apartment.
Renting here in B.A. requires a co-signer who owns some property and has a good credit background. This step poses an obstacle for the foreigner. What you can do is offer to pay 2 or 3 months rent ahead of time, or give a larger deposit. Some rentals targeted to foreigners already take that into consideration. BEWARE as MANY rentals targeted to foreigners are overpriced! Rental contracts are usually for 2 years, but you can back out with a month or 2 cost. Also, as you look at the listings you will notice some values quoted are in dollars while others in pesos. Rentals in dollars are often targeted to foreigners, so, make sure to compare prices.
*A word about Medical Insurance.
There are different forms of medical insurance here. We have what are called ("Pre-Pagas) which are big companies that offer you a wide selection of hospitals and doctors to choose from all over the country. This system is, in my opinion, the best. They also cover you, with restrictions, if you travel back to the U. S. Some of the more popular companies are: OSDE, Medicus, Docthos to name a few. I have OSDE plan number 410 and it allows me to choose from a huge selection of doctors and dentists. I also realize that "upon mentioning my plan", I am often given "priority" for appointments. My plan covered my lazer eye surgery 100% and it covered the birth of my 3 kids in the Hospital Suiso.
The other form of obtaining medical insurance is by subscription with a certain hospital, like the "Hospital Italiano", "Hospital Aleman", "Hospital Suizo", just to name a few. (BE CAREFUL, there is one hospital having big financial problems, send me an email and I'll tell you which) If your idea is to make your residence the city of Buenos Aires, then you can consider these hospital plans. I would want to investigate "what happens" if you move to the interior of the country OR if you are visiting the U. S.
My OSDE plan is U$200 per month. I talk more about medical insurance in my website: www.hereicomeargentina.com
APROXIMATE MONTLY COSTS (In U$ Dollars)
Rentals (2 bedroom apartment, Barrio Norte) U$500 to 800
Medical Insurance (For a Male, 25 to 40 years old) U$100 to 200
Home Owners Expenses (varies greatly!) U$50 to 90
Cel Phone, (500 minutes use) U$30 to 40
Home Phone (minimum use) U$18
Electricity (1 bedroom Apt.) U$12
Gas U$10
Maid, FULL time U$220
Maid, per visit: 25 to 35 pesos per cleaning
Satelite Cable, basic service U$25
Internet, ADSL U$20
ABL, (city taxes) U$10
Water/Garbage (usually included in HOA’s)
Yearly Tax (“luxury” tax, aprox. 0.5% of assessed value) U$20
YOUR TOTAL MONTHLY COST TO LIVE IN B.A.: From U$1000
NOT INCLUDED:
Transportation Costs
Public transportation is CHEAP. You have several lines of subways to choose from and many bus lines. You also have a very organized and thorough long distance bus system throughout the country. Taxis from one end of the city to the other are about U$4. Hired cars, “remises” charge about 50 pesos to go to the airport. Driving a car here takes LOTS of practice and experience. I took about 4 months before I dared to get behind the wheel. Argentina is STILL one of the countries with the highest statistics in traffic accidents.
NEW CARS:
A new Honda Civic is about U$17k
Car Registration, U$900 a year
Gas…takes about U$30 to fill my tank, (Honda Civic)
Insurance, yearly about U$1200
Tolls, (they’re everywhere!)
FOOD COSTS;
I didn’t include this as it is a very personal category. Some of you cook a lot, while many eat out. Food is VERY cheap in B.A., especially meat. You can get great lunch deals, complete with beverage and dessert for as little as 4 dollars in some “neighborhood” restaurants. Buying your food in a supermarket is even cheaper.
Any Comments or Questions: just ask! www.hereicomeargentina.com
Excellent information especially for those of us who are planning on relocating there in the near future.
Suerte.
Stowe
Chascomus.
Excellent report.
Exon
I recently stayed in Barrio Norte on Riobama a block and a half from Santa Fe in a nice studio apartment and I inquired about the rent and was told that it was $700 pesos including the maintenenace, so I really believe that the jump from a studio for $700 pesos to U$800 - U$1000 might be quite a bit more than the reality of the situation. Granted, maybe you're comparing a higher-end 1-2 bedroom apartment but I'm sure you can get a one bedroom in Barrio Norte for much less than U$800 per month. I look on-line from time to time at some of the Argentinian geared real estate sites and also I looked at the print version of Clarin when I was there last month and I'm sure you can do better than U$800 per month. The building I stayed in, by the way, was perfectly nice with several elevators, clean floors, painted common area walls and a small manual elevator with the metal curtain that you have to close by hand, but the location was excellent and there was nothing shabby about those acommodations.
Today the taxi drop (starting fare) goes up another 9 percent to 2.60p and from .24 to .26 per click. This follows the increase of 9 percent in August '06. Last Jan. The BA Herald was priced at 1.50p, in July at 1.60P and today at 1.70P. Sunday edition now at 2.50p from 2.00 a year ago.
Courcheval
01-13-07, 11:42
I recently stayed in Barrio Norte on Riobama a block and a half from Santa Fe in a nice studio apartment and I inquired about the rent and was told that it was $700 pesos including the maintenenace, so I really believe that the jump from a studio for $700 pesos to U$800 - U$1000 might be quite a bit more than the reality of the situation. Granted, maybe you're comparing a higher-end 1-2 bedroom apartment but I'm sure you can get a one bedroom in Barrio Norte for much less than U$800 per month. I look on-line from time to time at some of the Argentinian geared real estate sites and also I looked at the print version of Clarin when I was there last month and I'm sure you can do better than U$800 per month. The building I stayed in, by the way, was perfectly nice with several elevators, clean floors, painted common area walls and a small manual elevator with the metal curtain that you have to close by hand, but the location was excellent and there was nothing shabby about those acommodations.I agree with that statement, 1500 pesos and up are for people that really didnt have or much time or were too lazy to look for a cheaper option. Apartments at 600 pesos / m are not uncommon but of course not luxurious and for 1000 pesos you can get some really nice 2 rooms apartments. But of course, you won't find those advertised on the first page of your google search.
I went with a chica last week who told me that her monthly rent for her HOUSE north of the town was 450 pesos a month.
Btw, the taxi starting fare didnt rise by 10%, but by 20%, from 2.16 to 2.60, it s the distance/time unit that rose by 10%...good news, buses and trains are still under one pesos to anywhere in the town and the far surburbs (up to 50 km away).
I m surprised by the insurance quote of 1200 USD a year, since my motorcycle insurance is at 35 pesos a month (150 USD a year)
Daddy Rulz
01-13-07, 12:50
In the States it's the same, moto insurance is less because bikes generally cause less damage I think. As far as apartments I'm paying 1000 pesos a month furnished, without air for a pretty nice place.
Taxis are getting off the hook as well as remises, but I agree busses are a great option besides there is allmost always something nice to look at on them.
I agree with that statement, 1500 pesos and up are for people that really didnt have or much time or were too lazy to look for a cheaper option. Apartments at 600 pesos / m are not uncommon but of course not luxurious and for 1000 pesos you can get some really nice 2 rooms apartments. But of course, you won't find those advertised on the first page of your google search.
I went with a chica last week who told me that her monthly rent for her HOUSE north of the town was 450 pesos a month.
Btw, the taxi starting fare didnt rise by 10% , but by 20% , from 2.16 to 2.60, it s the distance / time unit that rose by 10%. Good news, buses and trains are still under one pesos to anywhere in the town and the far surburbs (up to 50 km away)
I m surprised by the insurance quote of 1200 USD a year, since my motorcycle insurance is at 35 pesos a month (150 USD a year)
Courcheval
01-13-07, 17:22
In the States it's the same, moto insurance is less because bikes generally cause less damage I think. As far as apartments I'm paying 1000 pesos a month furnished, without air for a pretty nice place.
Taxis are getting off the hook as well as remises, but I agree busses are a great option besides there is allmost always something nice to look at on them.Actually in Europe, it s the contrary. Motorcycle insurance is more expensive since the damage to the driver is usually much more costly (hospital), especially for low speed accidents. Anyways once again the jump from 150 dollars to 1200 dollars is quite impressing.
For apartment rents, you have to remember that the average income in Argentina is 1000 pesos / month (330 USD) so a couple, if both work, which is not that common, will make a maximum of 660 USD a month. I would count more on half an income for the wife, since she has to care about kids and it s a machist country. So a household income is 1500 pesos a month (500 USD). I don't see how this would allow an average price of a small apartment at 2400 pesos, almost double their total income.
As a foreigner on shorter term rentals you might of course expect to pay more, but I agree with the previous poster, the jump from the local 500/1000 pesos a month range to 2500/3000 pesos for the long term tourist is a bit steep.
Thomaso276
01-13-07, 23:46
Actually with raises over the past two years average income for those IN BA is well above 1000 pesos a month. Truck drivers in the teamsters union are about 3000 monthly. Porteros got a 19% raise recently and remember they get more for children and year on the job and an apartment. Believe me salaries are okay here now for middle class.
Can't speak to those in outlying areas or the truly poor, but I have read where carteneros make about 100 pesos a week.
The last average salary figure I can find on clarin.com is 839 pesos/month.
About a year old.
Courcheval
01-14-07, 00:58
The last average salary figure I can find on clarin. Com is 839 pesos / month.
About a year old.Check today s clarin special edition. Third quater 2006 was 974 pesos / month. You even have the detail of percentages of the population that earn more and earn less:
30 % of the working population earn less than 500 pesos a month (160 USD) black market workers.
40% between between 500 and 1100 (declaring income, so it s less once taxes are paid)
30% 1100+ pesos (employees)
So more than 2/3 of the population earn less than 1100 pesos a month (350 dollars)
When you pay a chica 100 dollars, she earns one week of median income in one hour. If you take the us american medium wage, this would be like 700 USD the hour (750 USD / month average income) and this without any tax.
Rock Harders
01-15-07, 19:09
Mongers-
Actually, the average wage earner in Buenos Aires does not pay any personal income taxes, the person paying his wage has the pleasure of paying the up to 60% or more payroll taxes. So that cook or waiter earning 1000 pesos monthly actually takes home 1000 pesos.
Suerte,
Dirk Diggler
The 35% - 40% total payroll tax remittance for an employee is split fairly equally between employer expense and employee withholding. If an employer says that's all his cost then he doesn't understand the system.
The payroll tax cost of a registered employee is about 20% of gross salary for the employer. The employee has around 15% of his salary withheld for payroll tax. Quite low compared to places like Brasil.
True, at 1000 pesos/mo an employee does not owe income tax. But someone earning 8000 will pay (have withheld) around 30%. Withholding and remittance of these taxes entirely the responsibility of the employer. If the employer calls that his cost, well...
In Argentina, when someone tells you how much they make it is often the "pocket" (take home) amount.
Trust Me I Dew This Sort Of Thing Fore A Living. :D
Bairespirata
01-17-07, 06:05
Intl. Phone cards +100 percent. Taxis and remis from EZE +40. Taxis +20. Supermercado +10. Favorite restaurant and bar +100. All good reasons to leave before hyper-inflation begins.Statistics here must be put together. It is true that INDEC has a index system that hides inflation. But we need to collect a lot of info the get the full picture of what is happening in Argentina right now.
If wages still are very low, the hyperinflation should be impossible on the macro-level, because the aggregate demand should then fall severly instantly, and that can not be the case since Argentinas economy is still growing at a high pace. It could be true though, that hyperinflation has set in, if the percentage of people below the povertyline has started to increase rapidly recently. Even though those figures also can be manipulated.
INDEC must be used as a first source of statistics and then is the question how this index underestimate inflation.
Courcheval
01-18-07, 15:46
Statistics here must be put together. It is true that INDEC has a index system that hides inflation. But we need to collect a lot of info the get the full picture of what is happening in Argentina right now.
If wages still are very low, the hyperinflation should be impossible on the macro-level.This doesn't take into account the underground black money economy, which is much more developed than in the US or Europe, since the banking system is encouraging it.
I don't think that many foreigners can live with a luxery life-style on 1000 dollar.
I would say you need at least 1500 dollar a month and anywhere from 2000 to 3000 dollar to be comfortable.
Bairespirata
06-06-07, 23:07
I, for my part, prefered a minimal apartment in Palermo. That gave me the opportunity to visit some private apartments, go to nice restarants, cultural events, taxis. And travelling to montevideo, Copacabana and Bogotá.
I payed 500 ARS / months, while a english girl payed $US500, even if her were luxuirious compared to mine. But I saved 1000 ARS / month.
Saludos M
I, for my part, prefered a minimal apartment in Palermo. That gave me the opportunity to visit some private apartments, go to nice restarants, cultural events, taxis. And travelling to montevideo, Copacabana and Bogotá.
I payed 500 ARS / months, while a english girl payed $US500, even if her were luxuirious compared to mine. But I saved 1000 ARS / month.
Saludos MFor how many months? How much in advance? What was included?
I don't think you will find anything in Palermo for 500 peso a month now in 2007
I don't think that many foreigners can live with a luxery life-style on 1000 dollar.
I would say you need at least 1500 dollar a month and anywhere from 2000 to 3000 dollar to be comfortable.It depends where you are! I live very well on 500 US a month! But then I own my own place and its outside the city limits!
It depends where you are! I live very well on 500 US a month! But then I own my own place and its outside the city limits!What do you spend a day a month on.
Food:
Insurrance:
Cost of your home: (Taxes, maintenance, expenses, water, gas, electricity, phone, internet, cable)
Travel: (Bus, train, taxi)
Leasure: (Restaurants, hookers, bars, Auberge, hotels)
Tickets to the USA / home country:
Cost in USA / home country:
Thomaso276
06-30-07, 14:32
You left out laundry, toilet paper, soap, deodarant, toothpaste, viagra, underwear, newspapers, cigarrettes, haircuts, cell phones, health insurance, lottery tickets and panhandlers.
Jees! Redondo, everyone spends different amounts. I think there are enuff posts about how much it cost to live here and your requests for info with this post are expansive and too specific for an accurate response unless someone wants to do a 3 hour audit of their expenses. Take YOUR budget from the states, deduct about 30% and there you go. Prices are climbing here. 500 monthly in the Capital will not cut it unless you want to live like a lower class local, cause locals average at least that. Subway workers make almost 3000 pesos monthly.
You left out laundry, toilet paper, soap, deodarant, toothpaste, viagra, underwear, newspapers, cigarrettes, haircuts, cell phones, health insurance, lottery tickets and panhandlers.
Jees! Redondo, everyone spends different amounts. I think there are enuff posts about how much it cost to live here and your requests for info with this post are expansive and too specific for an accurate response unless someone wants to do a 3 hour audit of their expenses. Take YOUR budget from the states, deduct about 30% and there you go. Prices are climbing here. 500 monthly in the Capital will not cut it unless you want to live like a lower class local, cause locals average at least that. Subway workers make almost 3000 pesos monthly.You can't live on 500 dollars if you have taxes, gas, running water, electricity, cable, internet, health-care, phone, 2 trips with the bus / subte a day, eat healthy and have some personal expenses.
That alone cost you 500 dollar
Thomaso276
06-30-07, 19:14
That's what I said. Why don't you just tell us how much you can spend and I'll tell you if you can do it here.
Daddy Rulz
07-01-07, 03:17
My ex GF owns her apartment and lives and supports her son on an average of 600 pesos a month, maybe 700. She's an artist and lives on what she makes selling her art.
One of the lessons learned in the relationship was how people with no money live and enjoy life without funds. I'll never forget the first time she suggested we take a walk for entertainment. I was still working up here then and going down there with dollars so I'm wanting movies, dinners etc. Etc. She and her friends get together for mate, and just talk or go to museums on free days. Trucho DVDs rent for 2 pesos. Dinner is usually at somebody's house, lots of salads.
My buddies wifes family live up in Chaco and they probably get by on 400-500 pesos a month. It's really amazing what people can do when they have very little.
I have a buddy down there now who is not into the mongering scene and stayed at a hostle for 14 months, he's living on 3 or 400 dollars a month. It can be done. It all depends on what you need.
That's what I said. Why don't you just tell us how much you can spend and I'll tell you if you can do it here.I live in BA since early 2005. I know the prices
My ex GF owns her apartment and lives and supports her son on an average of 600 pesos a month, maybe 700. She's an artist and lives on what she makes selling her art.
One of the lessons learned in the relationship was how people with no money live and enjoy life without funds. I'll never forget the first time she suggested we take a walk for entertainment. I was still working up here then and going down there with dollars so I'm wanting movies, dinners etc. Etc. She and her friends get together for mate, and just talk or go to museums on free days. Trucho DVDs rent for 2 pesos. Dinner is usually at somebody's house, lots of salads.
My buddies wifes family live up in Chaco and they probably get by on 400-500 pesos a month. It's really amazing what people can do when they have very little.
I have a buddy down there now who is not into the mongering scene and stayed at a hostle for 14 months, he's living on 3 or 400 dollars a month. It can be done. It all depends on what you need.I feel sorry or her kid that he does have a mom who refuses to get a normal job
Here is my official vote to deep six this antagonistic bore.
Can you feed 2 persons in the US for 225 dollar a month?
StrayLight
07-02-07, 18:23
Here is my official vote to deep six this antagonistic bore.Seconded.
SL
Here is my official vote to deep six this antagonistic bore.Third'ed.
Exon
Lets it. Life in the city is more expensive. When I lived in NY I made around 5G a month. Could I live in Manhatten on that? NO! But I lived pretty well on the Island. Here, I get by for 1500 pesos a month if I don't go out partying. I have a house, truck, and eat well. No rent, no high expenses outside of my vehicle. But I am not a tourist here any more, I live here now and don't go to the boliches every night! It all depends how you want to live.
Roughly 45k outside the city. Gral Rodriguez. I have a what they call a quinta, basicly a house on a large lot (5 hectare) I am actually looking for something larger further out or possibly in entre rios. Its even cheaper there!
Lets it. Life in the city is more expensive. When I lived in NY I made around 5G a month. Could I live in Manhatten on that? NO! But I lived pretty well on the Island. Here, I get by for 1500 pesos a month if I don't go out partying. I have a house, truck, and eat well. No rent, no high expenses outside of my vehicle. But I am not a tourist here any more, I live here now and don't go to the boliches every night! It all depends how you want to live.Why in the world would you want to live in Argentina, if you are not fucking the little **** every other day at least. Why would anyone live in a country full of rude ignorant, close minded people if it is not for the.
Young cheap hookers?
Rock Harders
07-16-07, 20:08
GeoEye-
Making posts like that makes you sound the the ignorant, closed minded person you are proclaiming the Argentines to be. The are lots of reasons to live in Argentina other than the cheap rents for pussy. I live here and I thoroughly enjoy the non-pro pussy, the do whatever you want lifestyle, the food, and the style and charm of the city. In addition, the rest of Argentina offers excellent opportunities for outdoor activities (skiing, trekking, mountaineering, fishing)
In Argentina, you can truly do whatever you want without the ridiculous restrictions in place in the USA. There is no a cop waiting around every corner here waiting to give you a DWI and ruin you life, or give you a $500 USD fine for pissing in public. It's truly a live and let live type of lifestyle, although this is no paradise and there are a thousand problems. This a city with lots of action and few restrictions and thats why I love it.
Suerte,
Dirk Diggler
CarneValistico
07-16-07, 20:22
Live and let live in Argentina, posted the way it has been, is something what realy interests me. Fishing and skiing is also my cup of tea.
I mean as Gandolfo stated, if you have your expenses under controll, you may enjoy life there, but for pensions and health insurance you need a budget, " stocked crisis free " as I think. And regarding " rented pussies ", I mean I don't want to play the moral apostel but the ladies do it for their living. I wonder if I could fuck a 70 years old woman for 150 pesos. Hmmm, hard to imagine!
Can't wait to arrive;-)
Carnevalistico
GeoEye-
Making posts like that makes you sound the the ignorant, closed minded person you are proclaiming the Argentines to be. The are lots of reasons to live in Argentina other than the cheap rents for pussy. I live here and I thoroughly enjoy the non-pro pussy, the do whatever you want lifestyle, the food, and the style and charm of the city. In addition, the rest of Argentina offers excellent opportunities for outdoor activities (skiing, trekking, mountaineering, fishing)
In Argentina, you can truly do whatever you want without the ridiculous restrictions in place in the USA. There is no a cop waiting around every corner here waiting to give you a DWI and ruin you life, or give you a $500 USD fine for pissing in public. It's truly a live and let live type of lifestyle, although this is no paradise and there are a thousand problems. This a city with lots of action and few restrictions and thats why I love it.
Suerte,
Dirk DigglerWhy? Because I am stating the TRUTH. I have walked down the the street in Buenos Aires and just about everyone has a sad or frown or serious look. They seem to be walking with blinders in a" big brother "state of mind. A great portion are rude and have extremely cold personality.
I do not know if it is because of the tough times or just because of their attitude, either way they seem to be very indiffrent in their treatment towards tourist.
As for the city, it polluted, overcrowed, with many argentine trying to cheat everyone and everybody. And riddled with crime.
It is "no paradise" and once again why would anyone live there if it wasn't for the great cheap sluts.
It is not ignorant or closed minded, perhaps you can't handle the TRUTH.
Must have been at least 3 years ago that you were in BA.
BA is a lot better in 2007 than it was in 2003-2004. I amigine it was worse in 2002
I live here too, for about 6 months now, and have to agree with Dirk. And I don't see people walking down the street with frowns on their face, for the most part (although not everyone is happy - that's an impossibility) What GeoEye describes sounds a whole lot more like Montivideo and other places in Uruguay, from what I hear, although I haven't visited there yet.
People are rude at times, sure - they step out of doorways without looking, they stop in the middle of a busy sidewalk without regard to other people around them. But they are also very civil and I have never really had a problem with getting information or help from people when needed - including the time I came back to my apartment at 3:00 am with my girlfriend and realized I'd left my keys in the apartment and the doorman went to great lengths to help me find a locksmith at that ungodly hour, not to mention that when the locksmith came he was friendly and very helpful.
I don't really see them as cold either - but I speak the language (although not nearly as well as I would like) and that may be a help. They may not just rush all over themselves to make you welcome, but as an example, I've had many conversations with shop owners and taxi drivers, and even when touching on subjects like Bush, who is pretty well despised down here, I've had nothing but reasonable discussion with no rancor on either side.
Nowhere is perfect. But BA is as close to a western kind of city that you can live in so cheaply and see hundreds of gorgeous women roaming around on the street at all hours. And most of them are not hookers, and when you catch their eye and they smile at you, it tends to melt your heart. I can't remember the last time that happened in the States.
Some people like the lifestyle here and some don't - but it's not silly to enjoy life here without going around and screwing young hookers all the time.
Member #4112
07-17-07, 18:01
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and Geo Eye is obviously not enamored with Buenos Aires or Argentina as a whole. I have been traveling here for several years now and have found the city and country to be very nice, much more to my tastes than New York City. I also find the people to generally be friendly and out going, with the exception of the discussion of politics which can become heated but still respectful. In MHO BA is very much like a typical town in the southern US back in the 40's and 50's when people were more helpful and accommodating. While reasonable prices for chica's is nice, my God man look at all the other beautiful women walking around who are also available for dinner, dancing and other things should they wish. Argentine women are beautiful, feminine, to a large extent cultured and pleasure to be with. I have found this to be so both in BA and in the western and northern providences (have not been to Patagonia yet)
Every city and country has its share of problems and if that is all you are looking for you will most surely find them, but don't turn a blind eye to the beauty which is here as well.
If what we consider paradise is not your cup of tea Geo Eye, move on, no need to be so negative. Go some place where the people are really the walking dead, Moscow for instance. AMFYOYO Comrade.
Here, I get by for 1500 pesos a month if I don't go out partying. I have a house, truck, and eat well. No rent, no high expenses outside of my vehicle. But I am not a tourist here any more, I live here now and don't go to the boliches every night! It all depends how you want to live.That seems possible living a simple rent-free life in provincia - nothing wrong with that - but I think that "eating well" on that amount would be difficult. I probably spend 1,500 pesos/month on restaurants, even when I'm in provincia. So how are you doing it - are you a chef? Do you have a live-in girlfriend that knows how to cook? Other?
CarneValistico
07-18-07, 19:15
Maybe I have the perfect solution for you.
Thursday 31.1.08 beginning of our Carneval in Cologne. Book early in advance a room at Obis Hotel at the central station 100m from our Cathedral.
Go - or be at exactly 11.11 am at the old market, 700m from the cathedral. There join about 2500 young girls (and some not so young as well) allmost all of them in costumes.
This is the " womens carneval day " also known as heavy Thursday! The high season finishes at Tuesday (that means NONSTOP party for 6 days!)
Ware a tie, because the ladies cut of all the ties they can get, than later they highjack you into the pups and bars, whih are all in the walking range of the overcrowded oldtown.
I SWEAR you will not even see 1 girl who is not smiling and singing. And believe me, if you are not to daring at the beginning, you can have them ALL for free. Very warm and friendly girls, again I swear. Calkulate 800 bucks for your expenses, plus flight and hotel. TRY IT.
After you survived that, you will look at BA in a different way. Amen brother!
Taxis, groceries, bars, etc. The only exceptions, so far, seem to be Alamo and El Yugo. Shocking!You want shocking! Try following the cost of expat rental apartments on Craigslist! They are through the proverbial roof in Palermo, Recoleta, and to some extent in Barrio Norte. The number of rentals listed with a price tag of over $1,500 (US) a month has grown dramatically in the past few months.
Redondo,
You don't get to post any more until you answer my questions.
http://www.argentinaprivate.com/forum/showthread.php?p=373312#post373312
Thanks,
Jackson
Redondo,
You don't get to post any more until you answer my question.
http://www.argentinaprivate.com/forum/showthread.php?p=373298#post373298
Thanks,
JacksonJackson,
This is the first intelligent thing I've seen you do in quite a while.
Exon
Jackson,
This is the first intelligent thing I've seen you do in quite a while.
ExonExon,
You don't get to post any more until you write a trip report about your fishing trip to Patagonia.
Transportation, lodging, the scenery, the fishing, hand jobs, etc.
Thanks,
Jackson
Asia de Cuba is more expensive, about 80% in 3 years
After nearly 20 years involvment in Bs. As. I would offer these observations to mongers who only have the ability to see out of the eye of their dicks.
I first came here to live in late 1989, and set up a small exporting business. Inflation was rampant, with a high of 23% overnight in late January 1990 and never below 15% for the next year. These were per day, not annual. It was illegal to pay for transactions in US dollars, so a round-robin of money exchange proceeded all transactions, the buyer losing about 10% on each transaction. The business to be in was money-changing. By the end of 1980, it was impossible to trade and I abandoned the business set-up but kept in touch, returning once or twice a year to see friends and occasionally managing to buy something to sell.
For all intensive purposes, Argentina is a US$ country. But it is not the States. The politicians are populists and really don't care about much except getting elected. Sure they get good economic advice, but unless they are in power, they reason that everything else is useless. And power here gives them the keys to the endemic corruption payments. The people in general are so insular in economics and lack good general knowledge, (not that different in truth from US citizens) that the cause and effect of inflation is the last thing that is on their minds. Economic and political geniuses they are not. Not that unlike a monger with a hard-on. The only thing he is concerned about is lessening his load, nothing else. Like-wise Argentinians are only concerned with their immediate economic situation. Try telling a monger to hold off fucking for a year to benefit mankind and watch his response. Not unlike the response occidentals get when preaching monetary restraint to an Argentino. A blank and vacant look and then a reactionary 'Go and get fucked' look appearing on their faces. And rightly so.
But I regress.
After the financial crash 5 years ago, at the request of some friends and because circumstances allowed, I re-started my export business and moved to Bs. As. Bought a house and settled in. I already had permanent residency from before, so many of the factors that visiting mongers have to contend with, do not affect me. These include visas, accomodation etc. But day-to-day living costs are a factor and are no different for permanent residents, citizens and visiting mongers. Internal inflation is figured at about 15% for the past year with no apparent complimentary adjustment in the exchange rate. But the reality is, with the loss of exchange value of the US$, Argentina has devalued against most other currencies by about 30%. The inflation rate for consumer expendables such as food, rent and clothes would be closer to 100%. So a US based monger has to get his head, (the big one) around the fact that Argentina has an inflation rate that is internal; and that the suppliers of his commodities, have had their everyday imput costs increased by as much as 100% in the past year. It is not reflected in the cost of pussy, but the reality is, your suppliers have been taking a haircut. And since the exchange rate has been more or less constant for the past 5 years, US$ buying power has dropped. Lucky for mongers that it still remains a buyer's market. This is why the Porteno monger is able to compete for the more desirable pussy on a more level playing field than he was able to in the past few years.
We give a warm welcome to the global economy for all US citizens.
If you think it tough to buy pussy because of exchange rates, multiply it by 10 to get with-in the scope of how tough it is for businesses that are export oriented, both ex-pat and local.
Suerte.
Excellent report Argento, Thank You, it about sum's it all up.
Mongering is getting more expensive for Americano's but cheaper for our Europen brothers, and the Chica's are taking the major "Hit".
Exon
After nearly 20 years involvment in Bs. As. I would offer these observations to mongers who only have the ability to see out of the eye of their dicks.
I first came here to live in late 1989, and set up a small exporting business. Inflation was rampant, with a high of 23% overnight in late January 1990 and never below 15% for the next year. These were per day, not annual. It was illegal to pay for transactions in US dollars, so a round-robin of money exchange proceeded all transactions, the buyer losing about 10% on each transaction. The business to be in was money-changing. By the end of 1980, it was impossible to trade and I abandoned the business set-up but kept in touch, returning once or twice a year to see friends and occasionally managing to buy something to sell.
For all intensive purposes, Argentina is a US$ country. But it is not the States. The politicians are populists and really don't care about much except getting elected. Sure they get good economic advice, but unless they are in power, they reason that everything else is useless. And power here gives them the keys to the endemic corruption payments. The people in general are so insular in economics and lack good general knowledge, (not that different in truth from US citizens) that the cause and effect of inflation is the last thing that is on their minds. Economic and political geniuses they are not. Not that unlike a monger with a hard-on. The only thing he is concerned about is lessening his load, nothing else. Like-wise Argentinians are only concerned with their immediate economic situation. Try telling a monger to hold off fucking for a year to benefit mankind and watch his response. Not unlike the response occidentals get when preaching monetary restraint to an Argentino. A blank and vacant look and then a reactionary 'Go and get fucked' look appearing on their faces. And rightly so.
But I regress.
After the financial crash 5 years ago, at the request of some friends and because circumstances allowed, I re-started my export business and moved to Bs. As. Bought a house and settled in. I already had permanent residency from before, so many of the factors that visiting mongers have to contend with, do not affect me. These include visas, accomodation etc. But day-to-day living costs are a factor and are no different for permanent residents, citizens and visiting mongers. Internal inflation is figured at about 15% for the past year with no apparent complimentary adjustment in the exchange rate. But the reality is, with the loss of exchange value of the US$, Argentina has devalued against most other currencies by about 30%. The inflation rate for consumer expendables such as food, rent and clothes would be closer to 100%. So a US based monger has to get his head, (the big one) around the fact that Argentina has an inflation rate that is internal; and that the suppliers of his commodities, have had their everyday imput costs increased by as much as 100% in the past year. It is not reflected in the cost of pussy, but the reality is, your suppliers have been taking a haircut. And since the exchange rate has been more or less constant for the past 5 years, US$ buying power has dropped. Lucky for mongers that it still remains a buyer's market. This is why the Porteno monger is able to compete for the more desirable pussy on a more level playing field than he was able to in the past few years.
We give a warm welcome to the global economy for all US citizens.
If you think it tough to buy pussy because of exchange rates, multiply it by 10 to get with-in the scope of how tough it is for businesses that are export oriented, both ex-pat and local.
Suerte.Good observations about the dollar. The dollar is sliding but the peso even more. Argentina keeps on getting more expensive for the ones who get paid in Pesos and to a lesser extent the ones that are paid in greenbacks.
I don't see how Argentina can be expensive as a an exporting firm, the cheap peso is of massive benefit for export and most costs are in peso's
Well Redondo, I'd like to make a small wager with you. Not knowing more than I have read on a few of your posts, I'd bet a beer in whatever establishment the winner chooses, that you are not from a financial management / business background. You can let me know by a PM.
The stark reality is that prices in the occidental hemisphere have remained static or are depressed for consumer goods. Therefore increases on the selling price are simply not possible. Simply put, if your overhead costs such as fixed wages and rents increase, there is no way of recouping those costs. As far as the exchange rate dichotomy between the U$ and the Arg$, this has changed by only 1% annually since the devaluation during the coralito. No great shakes when the internal inflation is 100% as in the past 12 months.
Argentina is a very efficient producer of grains and pulses. The balance of their agriculture is below western benchmarks and they do not compete very well except for the grain / pulse market. The source of the current economic prosperity is on the back of the export taxes paid for the export of 'cereales'. Currently I recall that is presently 15%. As for manufactured exports, except to the Mercosur countries, they for all intensive purposes, serve only the local market which is protected by 50% tariffs, and then most times they come second, either by price or quality. Ask an Argentinian about globalisation and he wouldn't know what you are talking about. What happens when they have a drought or the market price becomes depressed, is that the economy will collapse seperately and not really related to the internal inflation. If you read David Rock's "Argentina 1516-1987", it has happened depressingly 8 or 9 times for the past 200 years.
Come on guys, a bit of imput that has some basis in history and practical experience.
Argento-sounds like you are doing ok without feedback. Keep it up. You will find enough ill informed nonsense on this board to keep you busy.:)
[QUOTE= C'Mon Starbucks, destroy these Argie ripoffs![/QUOTE]Hey Sidney I am with you, this is just one of the many ripoffs and scams of the Argentine people and their way of life, they are in for another meltdown in their economy soon.
Take care buddy
Well I think with inflation excellerating, 20% to 25% , and the peso falling against the dollar & the euro, we have no choice.
We've got to buy some apartments in Buenos Aires!
Wonder if Saint will loan us some money?
Exon
So you'd be liquid Sidney,
We all know property is sold on an all cash basis, now your positioned to jump in big time, you'll make a killing you lucky "Dogg"
OH Fuck, I forgot they want Dollars or Euro's rather than Peso's, sorry Sidney.
But you can convert, you'll only lose 1 or 2 percent, you'll make it up on the backside.
Exon
Well Redondo, I'd like to make a small wager with you. Not knowing more than I have read on a few of your posts, I'd bet a beer in whatever establishment the winner chooses, that you are not from a financial management / business background. You can let me know by a PM.
The stark reality is that prices in the occidental hemisphere have remained static or are depressed for consumer goods. Therefore increases on the selling price are simply not possible. Simply put, if your overhead costs such as fixed wages and rents increase, there is no way of recouping those costs. As far as the exchange rate dichotomy between the U$ and the Arg$, this has changed by only 1% annually since the devaluation during the coralito. No great shakes when the internal inflation is 100% as in the past 12 months.
Argentina is a very efficient producer of grains and pulses. The balance of their agriculture is below western benchmarks and they do not compete very well except for the grain / pulse market. The source of the current economic prosperity is on the back of the export taxes paid for the export of 'cereales'. Currently I recall that is presently 15%. As for manufactured exports, except to the Mercosur countries, they for all intensive purposes, serve only the local market which is protected by 50% tariffs, and then most times they come second, either by price or quality. Ask an Argentinian about globalisation and he wouldn't know what you are talking about. What happens when they have a drought or the market price becomes depressed, is that the economy will collapse seperately and not really related to the internal inflation. If you read David Rock's "Argentina 1516-1987", it has happened depressingly 8 or 9 times for the past 200 years.
Come on guys, a bit of imput that has some basis in history and practical experience.I am no expert on argiculture but my guess is that when you had a plot of land in 2001 your return is bigger now then it was in 2001
If you buy somewhere where there is oversupply and transport it to somewhere where there is a lack of that product you will make money.
If that is not the case it does make sense to get started
The real rate of inflation is 3 X INDECS figures!But don't forget El Sid, he is running for President. If he could get everybody to believe inflation was running at x5 he would!
Next month the city will increase the taxi fares about 25%. This can never be justified and this will backfire as well. The guys who work in a taxi are not regular employes, they are driving because they can't get a normal job. That should be calculated in there salary as well.
As for myself, I travel a lot less to Recoleta, Palermo, Olivos then I did a year ago. I still travel but mainly short routes and at night.
I can't see an Average Argentine or an well-off pay about 11 peso for a 5 km route. I think also most of foreigners who live here part or full time will be going to travel less.
I am sure the amount of trips a driver makes in his 12 hours will go down a lot
This is going to be brutal on everyone including us Mongers. I personally am going to do what our dear departed friend "DickHead" does and learn the bus routes so I can navigate around town.
But I believe theres a lot more unpleasant suprises coming other than just taxi fares. Dining in the better resturants has become no bargain anymore, its comparable to the US.
We all admit that once the election is over were going to see even higher prices. Theres no end to the inflation cycle in Argentina and I personally don't see how the Arge's make ends meet.
Exon
StrayLight
08-01-07, 17:34
I personally am going to do what our dear departed friend "DickHead" does and learn the bus routes so I can navigate around town.It's really not hard. Once I got over thinking it was, I started taking buses everywhere. It is a rare, rare day or night that I'll jump into a cab these days, or even use the subte.
Here's a nice little guide.
http://www.tripadvisor.com/Travel-g312741-c5232/Buenos-Aires:Argentina:How.To.Use.A.Public.Bus.In.Buenos.Aires.html
I refuse to take the bus. Puerto Madero has a nice new train that I will probally use a lot and maybe subte a bit more as well.
The only onces who will benefit are the ones who own the cabs. They raise there rents and the drivers will become poorer as they won't get as many trips as they had before.
From BA Herald--1. The new lowered income tax exemption ceiling, an electoral stunt, is designed to woo 600,000 employees. 2. Runaway government spending is up 40% this election year. 3. More money will be chasing goods. -------------These may help FuK get elected but will make her Presidency much more difficult.People in Argentina if they earn more will either import quality goods (there is not such thing as an quality Argie product) or plant money abroad.
Either way most of the money will leave Argentina
Oh, more money will lead to bigger spending and to higher inflation.
Thomaso276
08-01-07, 18:59
Irish pub next door to me, Downtown Mathias, raised their "tourist special" (drink, dinner, desert - nothing really special with small portions) from 30 pesos to 45 pesos this week. 50% increase.
Sure 15 dollars sounds like a cheap meal but it is equivalent to specials you can get in the States.
It is the Euro at 4 for one that we should be looking at when we price things. For them it is still cheap.
I rarely take taxis. Regarding the bus system you can rest assured that any bus that says RETIRO will pass through or near the triangle on its way to the main station thus allowing you to exit and wlk a block or two to your destination downtown.
Irish pub next door to me, Downtown Mathias, raised their "tourist special" (drink, dinner, desert - nothing really special with small portions) from 30 pesos to 45 pesos this week. 50% increase.
Sure 15 dollars sounds like a cheap meal but it is equivalent to specials you can get in the States.
It is the Euro at 4 for one that we should be looking at when we price things. For them it is still cheap.
I rarely take taxis. Regarding the bus system you can rest assured that any bus that says RETIRO will pass through or near the triangle on its way to the main station thus allowing you to exit and wlk a block or two to your destination downtown.Or the British pound at 6 to 1, Argentina is almost "Free" for Limeys like "Flexable Horn" and "Wally Foot"
Exon
Wally Foot
08-01-07, 19:57
Or the British pound at 6 to 1, Argentina is almost "Free" for lime'es like "Flexable Horn" and "Wally Foot"
ExonIn fact £1 = $6.36 at present, so not quite free, but cheap. Exon123, sorry I'll miss you this trip. I enjoyed meeting you at the mansion a couple of years ago, and I enjoy your postings.
Best wishes, WF
In fact £1 = $6.36 at present, so not quite free, but cheap. Exon123, sorry I'll miss you this trip. I enjoyed meeting you at the mansion a couple of years ago, and I enjoy your postings.
Best wishes, WFWally.
Your a "Stand Up Monger", you paid the $300 peso's to fuck Aby when these other "Dumb MotherFucker Mongers" said it was to much money. Now she's international and wants a lot more than $300 peso's.
Think about that Wally, You fucked an international porn star for a hundred bucks and they didn't, the CockSuckers"
Exon
Wally Foot
08-01-07, 22:28
Wally.
Your a "Stand Up Monger", you paid the $300 peso's to fuck Aby when these other "Dumb MotherFucker Mongers" said it was to much money. Now she's international and wants a lot more than $300 peso's.
Think about that Wally, You fucked an international porn star for a hundred bucks and they didn't, the CockSuckers"
ExonYou're right Exon. Look at it this way: in the UK, for $A300, I could just about fill my car with diesel. I've even got a few personal pictures of Aby on my computer. And I have forgotten what gave I Romina Row / Clari a couple of years ago, but it was even less.
Now, today in Cafe Orleans I spotted a girl with huge tits who I am sure appeared in a video as a Latina maid. I must check her out and see how many tanks of diesel she would cost.
If you really want bang for your buck, hop over the Andes to Santiago where you'll get 525 Chilean pesos to 1 Dollar. A 30 minute session with a decent chica runs 80,000 pesos.
Or Mexico City where a Dollar gets you 11 pesos. Fine chicas there to be had for 7,000 pesos.
Taxis are dirt cheap in BA. I take several a day. Even 5 taxi rides at 6p each is only 30p or $10 US which is small to me compared with the convenience they provide. A 25% hike isn't a big deal to me. I'm not going to spend my vacation in BA waiting for buses. Lol. If one comes along going my way, occasionally I have jumped on a bus for 0.80p. Not often though.
Wally,
You've seen Romina Row? Me too! See my post in another thread on my encounter with her in Club Ka a couple years ago. Jackson has done her as well. Didn't know she also used the name Clari, I suppose this was a name she used at other clubs she worked at (?). Romina was one of my best all-time sessions ever.
BundaLover
08-02-07, 02:10
If you really want bang for your buck, hop over the Andes to Santiago where you'll get 525 Chilean pesos to 1 Dollar. A 30 minute session with a decent chica runs 80,000 pesos.
Or Mexico City where a Dollar gets you 11 pesos. Fine chicas there to be had for 7,000 pesos.Not unless you are blind. Don't even put Mexico City in the same league as BA.
Wally Foot
08-02-07, 04:59
Wally,
You've seen Romina Row? Me too! See my post in another thread on my encounter with her in Club Ka a couple years ago. Jackson has done her as well. Didn't know she also used the name Clari, I suppose this was a name she used at other clubs she worked at (Romina was one of my best all-time sessions ever.Sorry, sorry, sorry - forgive a senior moment. I got confused by a posting earlier this week. I meant Romina Ryan (I think) whom I knew by the name of Cari, the one with the Maori-style tattoos all over her shoulder. I have, of course, seen the photos and videos of Romina Row, and I think you are a very lucky man.
Hey Dirk,
What's the deal with parking? Is there any paid covered parking within a one block radius of El Alamo? Or am I better off just taking a cab? And do I have to bring ID now? I have been there in the past and I was never once asked for my ID, is this something new or is just something you guys do at nights? Whats the policy?
Thanks in Advance,
Bad
Rock Harders
08-04-07, 00:00
BB13-
At night there is a requirement for males to be over the age of 21 in order to enter, or be someone we know or like, or be from the United States or other native english speaking place. Females may enter with any ID stating they are 18 or older. There are two paid parking places within a one block radius of El Alamo. One is located between El Alamo and Santa Fe and the other is on Uruguay between Santa Fe and Marcelo T. El Alamo has an agreement with the lot on the other side of Santa Fe so that customers who drive to El Alamo (few and far between) can have their parking ticket stamped and therefore not pay for parking (El Alamo pays it later on)
Suerte,
Dirk Diggler
Prices since June 2002 of Verduras and frutas - 183% up.
According to INDEK 98%
P.S. Kilkenny tried to do the same and they killed the chicken with the golden eggs.
Same will happen to Alamo.
Prices have exploded in the Occidental Hemisphere. The indexes have been severely manipulated by most governments. Obvious price examples are gold, the oil complex, all other commodities and real estate. Sure, clothing, ''widgets'', etc. Are sometimes ''held in check'' by the third world (not in AR)Sure. I can accept a part of your statement such as oil and other raw materials but I would not go along with the rest of your statement. And since I only spoke about consumer goods and the cost of exporting from Argentina, I know my facts from first hand experience.
I live in B. A. And here are some things I JUST bought:
Honda Civic 2001, automatic, good condition, 28k miles, U$13,200
Desktop PC, 1 Mg of Ram, 100G, DVD Multi, Flatscreen, U$520
Year of Insurance, Car, $1800 (pesos)
Gas bil, (heaters on all the time) July, U$60 (highest ever seen here)
A "Junky" 1 bedroom Fixer-Upper, Palermo, U$79,000
Well thats all for now! Take care and NEVER believe the INDEC!
Chascomus
For the guys with property.
What do you yearly pay for:
Gas:
Water:
Electricity:
Insurrance for property:
Phone:
Internet:
Cable:
Direct TV:
Taxes:
Expenses:
Maid:
What did you pay for your furniture?
Some things I forgot?
P. S. Please also tell how big your place is and where you rent it.
Thanks
The idea is to fuck a 19 yr old every other day.
That is my idea of living well in Bueno Aires, I do not need a car or a fancy apt. Only rent for 400 USD. And expense of 1000 USD for other, food, utilities, taxi. And 1000 us for the whores.
That's 3100 peso which is about 21 chicas a month at an average price of 150 pesos. Some will be at 100 some at 200, after they know you are a regular they give you a standard price.
It is a lot better living than having to deal with the snakes back in the US. The women are are all money hungry and looking for a hand out.
I have friends that do not settle down because so many women in the USA will marry you and if it does not work out, well let's see what we can get out of him. So sad but true. As for myself, well I play it smart and learn from the mistakes of friends. Better to live it up in BA as you do so keep it up!
I have friends that do not settle down because so many women in the USA will marry you and if it does not work out, well let's see what we can get out of him. So sad but true. As for myself, well I play it smart and learn from the mistakes of friends. Better to live it up in BA as you do so keep it up!Hey Joe, good man, I also have learned from my friends' mistake, they are all divorced, without an exception. My idea of happiness is to fuck diffrent women, not stuck to the old ball and chain.
It is like William Hurt said in his movie a History of violence.
" Their are a lot pretty women in the world, I have never met one to make me forget about all the others"
APROXIMATE MONTHLY COSTS (In U$ Dollars)
Rentals (2 bedroom apartment, Barrio Norte) U$500 to 800
Medical Insurance (For a Male, 25 to 40 years old) U$100 to 250
Home Owners Expenses (varies greatly! U$50 to 90
Cel Phone, (500 minutes use) U$30 to 40
Home Phone (minimum use) U$20
Electricity (1 bedroom Apt. U$12
Gas U$10
Maid, FULL timeU$250
Maid, (per visit: 25 to 40 pesos per cleaning)
Satelite Cable, basic serviceU$25
Internet, ADSL U$20
ABL, (city taxes) U$10
Water / Garbage (usually included in HOA's)
Yearly Tax ("luxury" tax, aprox. 0.75% of assessed value) U$20
YOUR APROX. MONTHLY COST TO LIVE IN BA.: Starting: U$1000
I have been down here working for a month at a time with the company picking up the hotel tab and per-diem. I was offered the opportunity to move down here full time permanant, but I will have to pick up the tab. Realisticly, what do you guys think the cost of living would be to move here. I would like a small studio apartment, near Retiro, Centro area. Is it even possible to rent long term? I have to give them an answer soon and need help. If any of you permanant residents have opinions or advice, please respond or PM me. Thank youSomewhere between 500 and 700 dollar for rent and a 700 more to live (without tickets, insureance, etc)
Thomaso276
01-01-08, 17:18
To live the lifestyle you want will cost 2-3000 dollars per month.
Less than 2000 means lower middle class. Money goes fast here with inflation and partying.
SYDO.
Sit down when you read this.
Exedra cappuchinos are now 11 pesos. New years was family night with 0-5
Hookers all night long. We miss ya.
Jackpot
CarneValistico
04-16-08, 14:07
Hi all!
I often read this sum 2-3k $ for living. Whats about that? Incl. Housing?
A TLN cost something about 250$ if I am right, so 4 times shagging means farewell to 1k, so there are remaining 1500$, devided through 30 means 50 bucks a day. That sounds pretty resonable, I never have been to BA so I have realy no idea what is true, but again its "cheap" in my opinion.
I mean, when I go out for a night and empty 2 bottles of redwine I have to pay allready 20-25 euros for that alone - at least!
You need that amount (2-3k) in europe only for living expenses, and I am not sure if you come along with that. For instance 1 liter fuel 1,45 Euros,
500gr Bread 1,00 euro, 1 liter milk 1,20 Euro, a normal shirt (not Boss etc) 25-30 Euros, a steak with vegetables in a restaurant plus 1 beer 0,5l 14 Euros, a night out with all inclusive not less than 400 euros (incl Girl)
So, these 2-3k $ is it realy all? I mean I cook well, but even with homefood I need easy 2000Euros.
Well, its quite interesting.
Yours C.
CarneValistico
04-16-08, 14:53
Reading all posts here brings me to 2 conclusions:
1. Make sure you get involved with a sexy longterm chica, that saves money!
2. Make sure that you find a nice place / property to live because after 4-5 years you have the rent more or less compensated.
Ok, so now I need to look for a tall sexy lady 26-30, not less than 1,70m tall, Black long hairs, blue / grey eyes, not less than a solid / plasticfree C-cup, and fitted out with skills like Irma Labuse (Jack Lemon in this cool film about french pimps etc. Made in the 70s I think.) lol.
Am I too picky;-)
Yours,
C.
Reading all posts here brings me to 2 conclusions:
1. Make sure you get involved with a sexy longterm chica, that safes money!
2. Make sure that you find a nice place / property to live because after 4-5 years you have the rent more or less compensated.
Ok, so now I need to look for a tall sexy lady 26-30, not less than 1,70m tall, Black long hairs, blue / grey eyes, not less than a solid / plasticfree C-cup, and fitted out with skills like Irma Labuse (Jack Lemon in this cool film about french pimps etc. Made in the 70s I think. Lol.
Am I too picky;-)
Yours, C.1) But once in a while you want to change don't you?
2) You can rent a nice appartement long term for about 500 dollar to 700 dollar, the value of the property is probally 100.000 to 150.000 dollar so it's unlikely that you will break even in 4 to 5 years. Also consider that buildingexpenses (taxes, GWL, servicecost, etc) are raising fast with no end in sight.
The only way you can make a nice profit if you can sell the same appartement in 2013, 2014 for more then 50% of the original value. I think it's unlikely, but who knows?
But if you are planning to stay atleast 5 years and you want to own your own place it's probally a good idea to buy something.
3) plenty of girls available that are interested in guys 15-20 years older, they probally will have a child-wish, that could complicate things.
CarneValistico
04-16-08, 15:47
Exon advised me last year to rent something for a time and look if BA is my cup of tea, so far a good advice.
I am 46 now, and if the apartment is nice I like to keep it. We will see.
The costs are somewhat compareable with what we have here in europe.
Well, and let me tell you one thing, the horn starts to stay, when you step over 40;-)
Ladies with childwish are not a problem, Pierre Brice became father with 70 so I still have time:-)
But she must be a hammer in and out the bed, otherwise it wount work.
So this issue does not realy concern me.
Yours, C.
Exon adviced me last year to rent something for a time and look if BA is my cup of tea, so far a good advice.
I am 46 now and if the apartment is nice I like to keep it. We will see.
The costs are somewhat compareable with what we have here in europe.
Well, and let me tell you one thing, the horn starts to stay, when you step over 40;-)
Ladies with childwish are not a problem, Pierre Brice became father with 70 so I still have time:-)
But she must be a hammer in and out the bed, otherwise it wount work.
So this issue does not realy concern me.
Yours, C.If you plan to stay more then 5 years and you don't care about taking risks in investments it's ok to buy. But either way it would be smart to try out some time and see which places you like
You asked about expenses. I live in the provincia about 45 km outside the city limits.
Monthly:
Gas: bottled about 25p.
Water: free, I have my own well.
Electric: average 80p.
Insurance on the property: not available!
Phone: cell & house line 100p.
Internet: not available in my area.
Cable: not available.
Direct TV: 1000p.
Taxes: 450p - this is a lot but I have 5 hectare stable, house etc.
Expenses: food, car etc about 1000p.
Maid: once a week 30p.
All in all pretty cheap, but I live in a rural area. Downtown is one hour by car or hour and a half by train.
Jaimito Cartero
04-21-08, 16:30
Wow, I was going down you list and thought all the prices were quite reasonable until I came to the Direct TV charge of 1000 pesos! A typo?
Jaimito Cartero
04-22-08, 12:29
I refused! The store is on Montevideo 964.Well, most shirts cost $2-$3 each in the US, so $4-$5 doesn't seem out of line at all.
Jaimito Cartero
04-22-08, 14:32
My shirts were $1 and sweaters were $2.50 or $3 in the USA. We must refuse these outrageous AR prices!Well do something about it instead of just whining. Find a cheaper place and post it. Or fly back to the US, and save $2.50.
My first week, I paid $16p per load of wash. I then found a place closer that was only 12p. A friend told me that he has a place near him that is 6p. So, all you've got to do is look around.
I'm the guy who told JC about the 6p place that cleans, dry and fold your cloth for 6p per load. It's on Santiago del Estero near Moreno. Run by a Chinese lady. It's small. I was paying 16p per load at the place across the street from me. I walk around allot, so when I see a laundry that near my apt. I ask how much, found another place for 12p, but they did not do a good job, then I tried the 6p place, and it did a good job. As good as the 16p place.
Don't think it's worth going more then a few blocks to do Laundry. But for dry cleaning it might be if you have allot of stuff. I do not have anything with me that needs dry cleaning. When you are walking around, keep your eyes open for dry cleaners, and ask how much. Then test them, bring one item in, just to see how good a job they do.
Jaimito Cartero
04-22-08, 19:35
Geez, I would have never thought of trying to find another place. Well I would have posted the info if I would have had it. Tessan posted it, so now you're all set! As with chicas, check pricing, and a high price doesn't always mean quality.
Jaimito Cartero
04-22-08, 22:26
Somehow Jaimito, I have lived and survived in BsAs for 4 years, without your ''snide'' comments. As for chicas, I do just fine. I don't need your chica advice either. I regularly ''do'' wonderful women! I prefer my own clean sheets to dirty Privado sheets. Concerning Tessen's appropriate and helpful post about an inexpensive laundry---Thanks Tessan. The location would be a time consuming taxi round trip of about 20 pesos for me, so I'll have to pass. But the laundry should be helpful to those men living in Tessan's area.Excuse me, who started whining about paying 14 or 15 pesos for dry cleaning?
I was not commenting on your chicas skills in any way. Since you seemed so inept at price checking, I was simply giving an analogy on always checking prices. Since I'm sure your post of me "keeping" the secret laundry location to myself was in jest, I'll just ignore the rest of your rant.
A great way for those who live here to evaluate the way the economy is travelling is to light your gas stove. Gas of course is subsidised. For the past few days, they have diluted the natural gas so much by mixing in common air, that the automatic ignition won't light it. It is normally diluted so that a half gallon pot of water takes almost twice as long to boil as in the States. However the venal bastards have diluted it much more these last few days, that it is truly difficult to cook.
I suppose after 18 years I ought not to be surprised. But whenever you get confident that you are getting a handle on how they are going to jump, that's the time they will come at you out of left field.
One of the reasons that restaurants seldom offer sauteed meats here is this lack of heat. The meat stews rather than sears.
So gas ain't neccessarily gas. My experience is that the price of BTU's of the gas here are much the same as in the States. It only looks cheap. Volumne versus content.
Argento
You mentioned "Big Mac's" in talking about natural gas. A fucking Big Mac in Recoleta village cost less up here then it does in Recoleta, explain that?
ExonThe 'Big Mac' Index seeks to compare an item commonly available throughout the world and relate the cost to a common base, usually expressed in U$ dollars. But the comparisons can be made in whatever currency you choose. McDonalds market here as an upmarket, youth oriented destination. Not the 'Family Restaurant'. I guess the franchisees see bigger bucks down that road. That's why they are only in the better suburbs. Get out into Greater Bs As and they are few and far between.
Your just about due down here, so bring some auxiliary heating or get a permanent hot water bottle with ears. Energy is going to be in short supply.
Argento
The hotel I use for my clients has gone up from US$100 to US$150 (it was only US$ 45 in 2005)
Greetings Everyone,
I moved the posts related to the correct usage of Castellano to a new thread titled "Castellano, the Spanish dialect spoken in Argentina".
http://www.argentinaprivate.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4750
I moved the posts regarding Roxana's apartment to the existing thread titled "Roxana's apartment for Rent".
http://www.argentinaprivate.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2744
And finally, I moved the "other" discussions to a new thread titled "Recreational Products in Argentina".
http://www.argentinaprivate.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4752
Thanks,
Jackson
Argentina 3.64
Hong Kong 1.71
This is one of the more stupid things I have ever seen in my whole life. One: McDonalds sucks. Two: it's a ridiculous myth that everyone eats at McDonalds. Three: the prices may be affected by taxes, (Argentina has a VAT, Value Added Tax system, and US has a sales tax) Chile's VAT is 16% and Argentina VAT is 21%. Four: In many countries (based in the information I manage) McDonalds owns the restaurant, so it's not influenced by the rental variations. Five: The price will be more than anything regulated by the other chains competitors, for instance in Argentina there is no wendy's, they left in 2002, and McDonalds stayed and financed the crisis times. They did well, since today they have less competitors, and Six: McDonalds sucks, oh, I said that already.
While it is true not everyone likes McDonalds, there is a point to be made here. In the US, a lot of people eat at McD's because it is fast and cheap. In a rush? Use the drive thru. Here McD's is very pricey and slow. For 5 pesos more then a combo you can hit a parilla and have a meal, not fast food. While many things are cheaper in Arg, McDonalds is not one of them!
Thomaso276
07-29-08, 13:38
I like Burger King! Especially after a night of drinking, those whoppers act like a big sponge.
Now if only we could find an efficient way of immediately disposing of the BK Grease Sponge once digested.
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