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One of my regular chicas has recently got the idea that working in Spain for three or four months would be interesting and lucrative experience. She has a "friend" who has worked in clubs on the Costa del Sol who has convinced her that Spain is some kind of eldorado for working chicas. I am rather sceptical myself. As an aside, she claims she gets sore if she has more than two or three guys a day and is not one of those girls who likes a hard pounding, and she hasn't ever worked in one of the clubs here. I don't know the Spanish clubs very well, but I guess that if she ends up working in one of the big clubs over there, she will have to accept some pretty tight constraints on her freedom, will have to go with any client who fancies her. And lots will. By the time she has paid for her air fare, accomodation and the house tax, she probably won't make much money either. Am I being pessimistic?
Any of you guys who know the Spanish scene. What advice would you give her? From a chica's perspective? How does Spain compare with Argentina?
JuanCaminante
06-09-07, 12:51
Maybe if she worked in a place like Club Selecta in Torremolinos, probably one of the best clubs on the southern Coast, it would be fine.
Much more up market than Estark 92 and Escandalo and maybe less strenuous than the clubs in BA.
Or maybe a sugar daddy on the costas?
The problem for a working girl in Spain is that alot the the clubs are run by the Russians. First thing they will do is take away her passport. The clubs are self contained. They are like a fortress. The girls are not allowed to leave. They have to pay for their meals and the room that they rent to live in and use as their privado. It is a very dangerous situation for your friend.
These places are also filled with women from all parts of the world. Some have been lured there for the purpose of working but not in the field they were promised. She should try some other country but hard to say which one. I have seen plenty of clubs in Spain and have spoken with plenty of chicas to find out the situation they got themselves into in Spain. Not such a good idea.
Joe Vato
What kind of friend is it? If it's a really good friend she would probally not letting her get into trouble. If her friend is already in Spain she probally has a place to crash as well.
I have seen quite a few of the hotter prospects pack up and go to Spain in particular or Europe in general. I have seen many come back with enough to put a down payment on shitty little two room apartments in the microcenter. Now this might not be alot of money but for an Argie working girl to be able to work 3-4 months and come back with enough to put a down payment on her very own home is a big thing. I never asked how much can be made but my honest guess, given the fact that $200-500 Euros is the going rate per hour, is even if she is only seeing half of that, that means a girl can pull around $200-400 Euros a day, multiply that by 5 times a week 4 weeks a month and you have a girl making anywhere from $4000-$8000 Euros a month, multiply that by the usual 3-4 month tourist visa and you have about $15-$30K Euros for a 3-4 month stint in Europe (think about this in average Argentine economic terms and you will realize how even the possibility of this is quite tempting) even if you subtract airfare and living expenses (remember these girls aren't exactly living it up in Europe, they are probably sharing a 1 room studio with another girl or two and eating as little as possible to keep their figure profitable and only taking taxis when the customer is paying) I would say a girl can probably bring back anywhere from $10-25k Euros, or about $50-$125 thousand pesos. I am sure there are all kinds of risks associated with being a hooker in Europe just as I am sure there are all kinds of risks associated with being a hooker in Argentina, I am sure the pursuit of the mighty Euro over rides all these possible reprecussions in a hookers mind. So if the girl is decided on going, wish her luck and bang her like crazy before she leaves so she remembers what she has waiting for her when she returns.
Good Luck,
Bad.
PS, Paris is the real mecca for working girls, all the succesfull providers tour there at least a couple times a year.
I have seen quite a few of the hotter prospects pack up and go to Spain in particular or Europe in general. I have seen many come back with enough to put a down payment on shitty little two room apartments in the microcenter. Now this might not be alot of money but for an Argie working girl to be able to work 3-4 months and come back with enough to put a down payment on her very own home is a big thing. I never asked how much can be made but my honest guess, given the fact that $200-500 Euros is the going rate per hour, is even if she is only seeing half of that, that means a girl can pull around $200-400 Euros a day, multiply that by 5 times a week 4 weeks a month and you have a girl making anywhere from $4000-$8000 Euros a month, multiply that by the usual 3-4 month tourist visa and you have about $15-$30K Euros for a 3-4 month stint in Europe (think about this in average Argentine economic terms and you will realize how even the possibility of this is quite tempting) even if you subtract airfare and living expenses (remember these girls aren't exactly living it up in Europe, they are probably sharing a 1 room studio with another girl or two and eating as little as possible to keep their figure profitable and only taking taxis when the customer is paying) I would say a girl can probably bring back anywhere from $10-25k Euros, or about $50-$125 thousand pesos. I am sure there are all kinds of risks associated with being a hooker in Europe just as I am sure there are all kinds of risks associated with being a hooker in Argentina, I am sure the pursuit of the mighty Euro over rides all these possible reprecussions in a hookers mind. So if the girl is decided on going, wish her luck and bang her like crazy before she leaves so she remembers what she has waiting for her when she returns.
Good Luck,
Bad.
PS, Paris is the real mecca for working girls, all the succesfull providers tour there at least a couple times a year.They won't come back if they make that kind of money.
If they could stay, they would. And many do stay Redondo. The problem is this, if they stay beyond their tourist visa illegally, they will be deported and never be issued a tourist visa ever again. But if they stay in Europe on their visa and return when the time is up, they are free to return at will, just as long as they don't overstay their 3 month tourist visa.
And you also have to think on this, 4000 Euros is a hell of alot of money for a chica in Argentina, but if this chica decides to stay and live in Europe as a resident, I am sure her cost of living full time will increase. Ruffing it during a 3 month stint in Europe is one thing. Buying a home and living day to day full time for the rest of their lives is quite another thing, much more expensive as well. Plus, like most chicas that travel to the US, they find that living in another country isn't always what it is cracked up to be. Plus remember these girls don't go with the objective of staying in the EU, most leave children and families behind. They go to make some big cash quickly.
I could go on and on, as I said I have met many girls that have come and gone and most return once their visa is up, though as you stated some might stay, though they risk being banned if caught illegally overstaying their visas. Sometimes you have to think things through and you will most times answer your own questions Redondo, but I guess it helps if someone is their to think for you.
Take care,
Bad.
Again, I am trying to rationalize alot here, but I have met many girls who went to Spain, worked their 3 months, came back, put a down payment on a small apartment in the microcenter for them and their child and kept fucking me until they could pay off the rest. And the first thing I did was ask, " if you can make so much money over there why not just stay? " response was simple, first, they have their children here, second they can't legally and if they try they risk being banned for life, third, the cost of buying property in Europe is 5 to 10 times more expensive than in BA, and lastly they liked Spain but once living there they found it wasn't all it was cracked out to be and they missed home and family.
Again, wish them luck and bang their brains out before they leave, just to remind them what will be waiting for them on the way back.Not even the cutest hooker in the world will make 4000 euro a month in Spain. Not even in Marbella. If she is lucky she can take like 1500 euro's with her in 3 months.
If you say so. If anyone here knows a hookers salary I am guessing you would be the one.
Bad
Not even the cutest hooker in the world will make 4000 euro a month in Spain. Not even in Marbella. If she is lucky she can take like 1500 euro's with her in 3 monthsAnother succint nugget from a true visionary.
Not even the cutest hooker in the world will make 4000 euro a month in Spain. Not even in Marbella. If she is lucky she can take like 1500 euro's with her in 3 monthsDude, get real. Top Area Vip girls in Argentina make a lot more than that, and some usually go to Spain, Mexico, or Chile for a few months. They've been doing it for years. If the girl could only bring back 1500 euro in total for her whole trip, it wouldn't even be worth it. She'd better stay in Argentina and date at least 6-7 guys per month, and you come up with that kind of money. And I can assure you AV girls date more than 6-7 guys per month.
Dude, get real. Top Area Vip girls in Argentina make a lot more than that, and some usually go to Spain, Mexico, or Chile for a few months. They've been doing it for years. If the girl could only bring back 1500 euro in total for her whole trip, it wouldn't even be worth it. She'd better stay in Argentina and date at least 6-7 guys per month, and you come up with that kind of money. And I can assure you AV girls date more than 6-7 guys per month.So being a hooker is actually a career option and not escape poverty?
Flexible Horn
06-10-07, 15:27
Every year I go to Spain to play 'Golf' with a group of friends. During this time I have got to know some of the girls at club Skala. Now taking it at face value and I can't see a reason for this girl to lie to me. She told me that she spent 8 months a year in total working at the club, 3 times a year. Before any expenses (they live in a room on top of the club) her earnings where 25,000 euros in 2005.
Its 60e for 30mins, 80e for 45mins and 110e for 1hour. 8months = 35 weeks = 715euros a week.
The vast majority of girls working in the club are from Eastern Europe, with a handful from South America.
Every year I go to Spain to play 'Golf' with a group of friends. During this time I have got to know some of the girls at club Skala. Now taking it at face value and I can't see a reason for this girl to lie to me. She told me that she spent 8 months a year in total working at the club, 3 times a year. Before any expenses (they live in a room on top of the club) her earnings where 25,000 euros in 2005.
Its 60e for 30mins, 80e for 45mins and 110e for 1hour. 8months = 35 weeks = 715euros a week.
The vast majority of girls working in the club are from Eastern Europe, with a handful from South America.3 plane tickets a 1000 euro (3000 euro) 700 euro living expences x 8 months (5600 euro) insurance a 100 euro a month x 8 (800 euro)
So that would make around 10.000 euro of expenses. But I am sure she needs to pay the club and needs to spend a lot more on beauty and clothes and stuff like that.
If she takes 1000 euro with her she is lucky, that is if she not lies.
Skela must be an upscale club looking at the rates, but there are plenty of clubs like that in Spain and a lot more of lousy quality. Lot of competition. I don't think you can enter in a good one without contacts.
Flexible Horn
06-11-07, 08:10
3 plane tickets a 1000 euro (3000 euro) 700 euro living expences x 8 months (5600 euro) insurance a 100 euro a month x 8 (800 euro)
So that would make around 10.000 euro of expenses. But I am sure she needs to pay the club and needs to spend a lot more on beauty and clothes and stuff like that.
If she takes 1000 euro with her she is lucky, that is if she not lies.
Skela must be an upscale club looking at the rates, but there are plenty of clubs like that in Spain and a lot more of lousy quality. Lot of competition. I don't think you can enter in a good one without contacts.The girls from Eastern Europe use Easy jet or Ryan air, very cheap flights. I don't think the girls from South America go home 3 times a year, probably only once.
I don't know how much the club charges them, but besides what they pay the club these girls spend very little money.
Insurance? You are joking, for what?
I would guess out of 25,000 Euros this girl would have sent 70% back to her family in Romania.
Insurance? You are joking, for what?For example to enter into Europe.
The club will charge them a lot and it's not easy to enter in a high level club.
For example to enter into Europe.
The club will charge them a lot and it's not easy to enter in a high level club.There's a serious flaw in your arguments and examples:
The girls are still going abroad. So guess what, it appears to be profitable to them, whereas your figures don't show any profit at all. They'd rather stay in Argentina and make more money. Nonsense. Again, get real. Math 101. 4 ARS to 1 EUR, hellooo, anyone there?:eyesroll:
Flexible Horn
06-12-07, 04:34
The clubs I frequent in Spain are the same as the clubs in BsAs, you have to buy the chica a drink. That's how the club makes its money along with the drink I have to purchase for myself.
The chica's don't have to pay to work in the club's, most clubs the 'deed' is done in house, in small rooms, so there is a small charge.
Most South American chica's head to the large cities I. E. Madrid and Barcelona some have made their way to my home city London. If the chica's are good looking they can and do earn 1200 pesos – 2400pesos an hour, in London 2 or 3 hours work a day, 6 or 7 days a week you can see these girls make good money. After 6 months they have enough to return home and buy a house or open a small boutique.
Thats why when guys ask where are all the good looking 9/10 0r 10/10 rated chicas are in BsAs, I tell them to try the large European city's.
There's a serious flaw in your arguments and examples:
The girls are still going abroad. So guess what, it appears to be profitable to them, whereas your figures don't show any profit at all. They'd rather stay in Argentina and make more money. Nonsense. Again, get real. Math 101. 4 ARS to 1 EUR, hellooo, anyone there?:eyesroll:If they can bring home 400-500 euro a month they still would do it offcourse. They just don't bring loads of money with them.
If you have a friend working there where you can stay and who can get you started it's worth the try offcourse.
But for every 'succesfull' story there is a failed one. Chicas who are getting abused, held like slaves or just don't make money. It's like the stock-market. Nobody ever looses but in reality many do.
Get a reality-check
I have personally seen girls go and come back and I have seen their newly purchased apartments. I personally think that if the point of all this whoring is making money, it would only make sense to go where there is more money to be made from it. I am sure there are risks involved with whoring in Europe and the same risks can be found HERE. I have personally met girls who have done well for themselves and their families by going to Europe, they went for 3 months and came back with enough to buy their own property. This is a fact, not some lame hypothetical.
Also I don't think all these girls work at clubs over there, many are going to meet up with a friend who is allready over there, they have their pictures loaded up on some escort websites and wait for the phone calls. Bullshitting on AP is doing anyone any good so lets be real. Many make good money, being a hooker is dangerous in ANY country, and the reality is most don't stay because they can't legally.
Bad
I saw a police blotter in the newspaper here in Italy where two "touring" escorts were arrested and something like 26,000 euro was confiscated. These tours generally involve one or two girls having some kind of base city (often in Eastern Europe, but also often London) and then they travel for a couple of weeks to different cities where they often make up 5-10 appointments a day (at 300 euro or more an hour, 500 or more for 2 hours) often with several hour dates involving dinner, and often an overnight stay (which can be a thousand euro or more--that's 4000 pesos) As you can see, the money can add up quickly, even if they are only taking a percentage of the take. A few months of going like that and you're taking a nice apartment with relative ease.
A popular site that lists these touring ladies is:
http://www.escortguide.tv/
And more than a couple independents work off of there, though most work through agencies. It's important for these girls to know at least some English or the local idiom happens to be. A smart girl could figure out the right sites on which to advertise, and figure out all the arrangements herself, but it would be trouble unless she had an extraordinarily good head on her shoulders. Please note: ugly girls need not apply.
This is why even the "high-end" girls in Argentina seem practically free to me. I don't even want to admit how much I spent for the better part of a day with this stunner:
http://www.ladiestours.com/Jessica
I have personally seen girls go and come back and I have seen their newly purchased apartments. I personally think that if the point of all this whoring is making money, it would only make sense to go where there is more money to be made from it. I am sure there are risks involved with whoring in Europe and the same risks can be found HERE. I have personally met girls who have done well for themselves and their families by going to Europe, they went for 3 months and came back with enough to buy their own property. This is a fact, not some lame hypothetical.
Also I don't think all these girls work at clubs over there, many are going to meet up with a friend who is allready over there, they have their pictures loaded up on some escort websites and wait for the phone calls. Bullshitting on AP is doing anyone any good so lets be real. Many make good money, being a hooker is dangerous in ANY country, and the reality is most don't stay because they can't legally.
BadThe risk in a foreign country are always a lot bigger then at home.
Who are you trying to convince? I think regardless of the country, the risks associated with prostitution are ever present but the mitigating factor remains the same. The hookers make more in Europe than in Buenos Aires. Now if someone has concrete evidence to the contrary please post it. Because up until this point we have heard quite the contrary, something to the effect that hookers in Europe and " touring " hookers in Europe make a shitload more there than they do in BA. We have also heard a bunch of BS about hookers not making any money in Europe and that is why they are going there in droves.
The figure you stated sounds about right to me Sinistra, since it is just about what I had calculated and what I have been told by newly arrived hookers about to buy their own pad.
Wish em good luck and bang their brains out before they leave, that is the only advise you can give em.
Bad
Flexible Horn
06-12-07, 16:32
During Feb. 2006 I was banging a Blonde Brazilian who was working out of Exedra. She told me she had been working in London but had to leave (I think she was thrown out) Anyhow this chica was desperate to return to London to work and asked if I would be interested in marrying her for money, she paying me so she could work here, I just laughed.
I stayed in touch with this chica and guess what, she is here working 3 times we have arranged a dinner date and unfortunately I had to cancel each time.
A good American friend knows this girl, she worked 7 nights a week and went out at least 2 times a night sometimes more.
She is now earning good money £150-200 an hour, I know the area she is renting a flat and you don't get any change from £1500-00 a month, thats £18000-00 a year enough to buy a place on the outer parts of BsAs.
This is fact not fiction, my good friend Pappa Beneto / Sid met her and will vouch for me, the girl was the most materialistic person I have ever met in my life. She knows what she wants and she gets it. An example, one evening after we had fucked she asked if she could check her emails, (4 different accounts) I sat there watching the tv, every now and again glancing at my laptop. I saw an email from a guy telling her how much he loved her and he had sent her $2000-00 YES $2000-00 by Western Union.
My point is its a very hard job and to be good and make money they have to have a tough side, be ruthless.
This girl was very popular at Exedra but earns alot more working here in London. FACT
A great part of the girls I talk with during my stay (the elder ones) (f. E. Monica from Excedra but they are others. Have been working in Europe. (not only spain)
This Monica (I only talk with her and had no sex) if she was now in Europe, will continue to work and to have lot of patrons (does not matter if she is not so young or that her teeth need some dental work) either in a spanish club or a german FKK.
She stayed for, she said, two years I don't really know how she managed for the visas (did she "disappare"?
And now since a while she is back in BA; so I am not sure that european monger's market is so interessant for these girls.
Some post over the price structure for spanish clubs (60€ for 30 minutes is quite acurate. But I am sure that on the expenses side it is really over-evaluated. 700€ a month in Spain, lodging in the club, dressed with bathsuits. It is quite a lot) I also get my Europe-Argentina plane tickets at 830€ on a reliable european aiirways (I saw prices low as 650€ with some junky americane compania de aviacion! But I have kids that need me)
A great part of the girls I talk with during my stay (the elder ones) (f. E. Monica from Excedra but they are others. Have been working in Europe. (not only spain)
This Monica (I only talk with her and had no sex) if she was now in Europe, will continue to work and to have lot of patrons (does not matter if she is not so young or that her teeth need some dental work) either in a spanish club or a german FKK.
She stayed for, she said, two years I don't really know how she managed for the visas (did she "disappare"?
And now since a while she is back in BA; so I am not sure that european monger's market is so interessant for these girls.
Some post over the price structure for spanish clubs (60€ for 30 minutes is quite acurate. But I am sure that on the expenses side it is really over-evaluated. 700€ a month in Spain, lodging in the club, dressed with bathsuits. It is quite a lot) I also get my Europe-Argentina plane tickets at 830€ on a reliable european aiirways (I saw prices low as 650€ with some junky americane compania de aviacion! But I have kids that need me)Most clubs I know in Spain have like 30 to 100 girls and way fewer clients.
I highly doubt that most have a paying customer every night.
Germany is completly run by Russians / Albanians, I don't think it would be healthy to work there
Germany is completly run by Russians / Albanians, I don't think it would be healthy to work there.Please stick to things you know something about. This statement is nearly complete bullshit.
El Alemán.
Who lives in the country you are talking about.
I talked to several girls over time about this issue, and I usually discouraged them. While it is true that prices are higher than in Argentina, they are not so much higher to compensate for the higher costs of living.
A girl in an FKK gets € 50. 60 per half hour. She pays the same entrance fee as the customers, which is usually in the same range. A room in a cheap hotel or the club itself, plus food and other stuff easily run up another 100. So, she does the first 3 customers a day just to cover her costs. Netting another € 150 per day is about as much, or more, as she can expect. Of course, on some Fridays, Saturdays she will come out with more, but there are Tuesdays when she can be happy to get out with 0. 150 times 25 working days would be 3750, but this is before any shopping etc.
Plus there is the language barrier, this leaves Spain more or less the only option.
2 centavos de.
El Alemán
Please stick to things you know something about. This statement is nearly complete bullshit.
El Alemán.
Who lives in the country you are talking about.I could off ourse come up with some articles but let me just say that you must be superiour to me because you live in Germany.
Good luck.
Redondo I am sorry to tell you that you are wrong.
I am french, leaving in the north of France (that is quite a 2 hours or 2 and 1/2 hours drive to Nord Rhein Westfalien) so before I met my novia (or supposed to be:(in BA I am used to go in these places. I remember that France is "the other sex prison" and it doesn't seem to arrange.
I am sorry to annouce you that I have fucked my people from quite the whole earth but very few people from former USSR (except from Lithuania (mainly) and the 2 others Baltic countries whose are now member of U. E. Sometimes there is a girl from Kazakstan ou Turkmenistan or so but Russians, Bioelorussians and Ukrainians girls are really really rare as (same for Albanians) entry and staying in Europe is very difficult now. Most of the girls in FKK are Polish or Germans and then you will find Romanians, Slovakians, Hungarians and other Eastern UE members. There is also Chinese, Thais and South Americans most of them claiming that they are Brasilian. The first South Smerican I have fucked (I started late because el castillano de mi es nada de nada. When I was young in northern part of France you have to learn German. It was during soccer WM in 2006 just after a match (I thing it was Argentina-Mexico) She was wearing only la bandera azul why blanco;) Ans she explained me that she had to say to German people that she is Brasilian. (I wonder if they believe it with this flag)
I am used to spend a week in June in Spain. There I saw some Russians girls.
About pricing for the girls in spain I am not accurate as my spanish is growing a little bit but it is only eating travelling and fucking spanish. Not yet philosophical spanish.
El Aleman. I thing your are overpricing for money paid by the girls for the 2 clubs I am sure (YY I know it is not in Germany and GT) entry is only 25 and 30€.
It seems also that you forget for session over the half hour the second half hour is only 25€.
And I don't believe that they pay so much for sleeping in the club. From discussion I had it is free in Samya and YY. In exchange of course of some help in cleaning.
100€ a day for eating and lodging Gosh, I know your country is Germany and I am only leaving in France. But it is quite what I earn (after taxes) by working day. I am used to find rather nice hotels in germany for about 30 to 40 € a night (breakfast included) and it is on short stay bases. I think after they eat in the FKK don't they?
The fact I don't know is that lot of them used to do fiestas after the club closing. Who pays for that? "boyfriends" or chicas? That's a point that can make a difference.
By ending, do you, mein Freund, really thing that a lot of FKK girls "do" more than 3 clients a day. I am not sure about that. If it was like this why is there some rather nices girls in PT?
I know that I give more questions than answers. I am in trouble thinking a lot about the prostitutional world at this time. Sorry for that.
Redondo I am sorry to tell you that you are wrong.
I am french, leaving in the north of France (that is quite a 2 hours or 2 and 1/2 hours drive to Nord Rhein Westfalien) so before I met my novia (or supposed to be:(in BA I am used to go in these places. I remember that France is "the other sex prison" and it doesn't seem to arrange.
I am sorry to annouce you that I have fucked my people from quite the whole earth but very few people from former USSR (except from lithuania (mainly) and the 2 others baltic countries whose are now member of U. E. Sometimes there is a girl from kazakstan ou Turkmenistan or so But russians, bioelorussians and ukrainians girls are really really rare as (same for albanians) entry and staying in europe is very difficult now. Most of the girls in FKK are polish or germans and then you will find romanians, slovakians, hungarians and other eastern UE members. There is also chinese, thais and south americans most of them claiming that they are bresilian. The first south american I have fucked (I started late because el castillano de mi es nada de nada. When I was young in northern part of France you have to learn german. It was during soccer WM in 2006 just after a match (I thing it was argentina-mexico) She was wearing only la bandera azul why blanco;) Ans she explained me that she had to say to german people that she is bresilian. (I wonder if they believe it with this flag)
I am used to spend a week in June in spain. There I saw some russians girls.
About pricing for the girls in spain I am not accurate as my spanish is growing a little bit but it is only eating travelling and fucking spanish. Not yet philosophical spanish.
El Aleman. I thing your are overpricing for money paid by the girls for the 2 clubs I am sure (YY I know it is not in germany and GT) entry is only 25 and 30€.
It seems also that you forget for session over the half hour the second half hour is only 25€.
And I don't believe that they pay so much for sleeping in the club. From discussion I had it is free in Samya and YY. In exchange of course of some help in cleaning.
100€ a day for eating and lodging Gosh, I know your country is Germany and I am only leaving in France. But it is quite what I earn (after taxes) by working day. I am used to find rather nice hotels in germany for about 30 to 40 € a night (breakfast included) and it is on short stay bases. I think after they eat in the FKK don't they?
The fact I don't know is that lot of them used to do fiestas after the club closing. Who pays for that? "boyfriends" or chicas? That's a point that can make a difference.
By ending, do you, mein Freund, really thing that a lot of FKK girls "do" more than 3 clients a day. I am not sure about that. If it was like this why is there some rather nices girls in PT?
I know that I give more questions than answers. I am in trouble thinking a lot about the prostitutional world at this time. Sorry for that.Begin part of the EU has got nothing to do with it. Most girls were in the old EU before there countries became part of the EU anyhow and there is no freedom of movement yet.
Most of those girls get smuggled into the country, exploited, have there passport taken away and even if they don't they probally end up in a club that is run by Russians or Albanians.
The Russians and Albanians are also known for tracking independent girls down (telephone number, etc) and claim them.
If you are working in Germany sooner or later you become involved in organized crime. This no different in Holland (Where it's 100% legal) and probally also not in most other European countries
Begin part of the EU has got nothing to do with it. Most girls were in the old EU before there countries became part of the EU anyhow and there is no freedom of movement yet.
Most of those girls get smuggled into the country, exploited, have there passport taken away and even if they don't they probally end up in a club that is run by Russians or Albanians.
The Russians and Albanians are also known for tracking independent girls down (telephone number, etc) and claim them.
If you are working in Germany sooner or later you become involved in organized crime. This no different in Holland (Where it's 100% legal) and probally also not in most other European countriesI wonder how many nonsenses, unfortunately, you are able to say in so few words.
There is freedom of mouvement. Even for Romanians and Bulgarians (the last ones) you only have to show that you are able to pay your expenses and to return. Just the way us (older europeans country) do when we go in any "civilized" country (that's country which excempt us of visa for short term tourism) like U. S. Canada, Japan, either Argentine.
I don't want to discuss anymore about this.
I wonder how many nonsenses, unfortunately, you are able to say in so few words.
There is freedom of mouvement. Even for romanians and bulgarians (the last ones) you only have to show that you are able to pay your expenses and to return. Just the way us (older europeans country) do when we go in any "civilized" country (that's country which excempt us of visa for short term tourism) like U. S. Canada, Japan, either Argentine.
I don't want to discuss anymore about this.If you want to bash somebody the least you could do is knowing your stuff.
There is only free movement if the host country opens the border and everybody can be send home. Just ask Prodi
Thanks for giving some support.
I of course assumed that the girl does maybe 5. 6 clients a day (or fewer, but with longer sessions) and the € 150 is after the expenses I mentioned. The prices I talked about are right from a chica, and the entrance and session fees are from clubs in southern germany and the Frankfurt area.
There are cheaper possibilities in the Rhein - Ruhr area, I know about that. What I reported, however, is a large part of the market.
It is true, that there is organized crime in Germany, and it is true that girls from eastrern Europe get lured into the country under false pretense and end up in cheap brothels with their passports taken. This exists, but it is not the reality of the whole p4p scene in Germany. There are also a hell of a lot of girls who do what they do knowingly and of free will.
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El Alemán
thanks for giving some support.
I of course assumed that the girl does maybe 5. 6 clients a day (or fewer, but with longer sessions) and the € 150 is after the expenses I mentioned. The prices I talked about are right from a chica, and the entrance and session fees are from clubs in southern germany and the Frankfurt area.
There are cheaper possibilities in the Rhein - Ruhr area, I know about that. What I reported, however, is a large part of the market.
It is true, that there is organized crime in Germany, and it is true that girls from eastrern Europe get lured into the country under false pretense and end up in cheap brothels with their passports taken. This exists, but it is not the reality of the whole p4p scene in Germany. There are also a hell of a lot of girls who do what they do knowingly and of free will.
2 more cents from.
El AlemánIn the south there are also less foreigners, the fact remains that most cities in especially the north like Hannover, Berlin and Hamburg suffer from organized crime by Eeastern European criminals. There is no way to excape stuff like that, maybe that's different in lets say Bayern but it's true for most northern cities.
Girls if they advertise in lets newspapers, internet and stuff like that get honoured by a visit, beat up, have there paspoor taken and become under the influence of criminal gangs. It's common practice in Germany
To whom it may concern (Especially Redondo)
On the first of January 2008 the "Schengen zone" will spread to: Estonia, Lithuania, Lettonia, Poland, Czeck Républik, Slovakia, Hungary, Slovenia, Malta. It have been confirmed this week.
That's added to:
Portugal, Spain, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Luxemburg, Italia, Austria, Germany, Danemark, Sweden, Finland, Greece, Norway and Iceland.
Will allow you to drive from Tallin to Lisbon or Rovaniemi to Palermo. Without any custom control. Whazt hell have prodi to do with that!
On the first January 2009: Switzerland and Liechtenstein
So, at that time, no more need for an eastern european girl (except Romania, Bulgaria) to have a passport or ID to come visit us:) What will russian maffia do?
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