View Full Version : Live the Dream: Chronology of an experiment
My argentine girl and I come for vacation to Buenos Aires in 1997. It was not my first time in BA, but this time I stayed for 1 month.
Two years after, in 1999 I took the decision to move to Buenos Aires to start with an Internet related company. My project involved several businesses related, as ISP, design and development, owned portals and a cybercafé in the center of the city which by the way was the first seriously mounted cybercafé in Buenos Aires. Magicnet.
My partner and I organized two operations for the web development and design. One was DDH (design, development and Hosting) and the other one as Eye for you, this company wanted to produce contents and design and sale it for the USA market. Just 6 months later, in 2000 the dotcom industry experienced a big crash and Argentina itself started to fall into their own financial crisis. During the year 2000 we just worked to survive but we had no luck, in 2001 my partner suffered a blood pressure attack, and a few months later he passed away.
All the projects and illusions I had just vanished and the eye four ya project too.
In the argentine summer of 2002 I took charge of a big bakery placed in downtown with 25 employees, one of my first decisions was to replace part of the staff so we put an ad on the newspaper and hundreds of people answered the ad. I had a database structure that remained from a job we did for Scotiabank (a bank who vanished from Argentina and never paid for the jobs we did for them) So I used the structure for placing the counter staff candidates, which was full of inexperienced promotoras.
Several of these promotoras, also said they were fashion models, or fashion models aspirants and they included their background and book photos.
I answered many of the models trying to fuck them in exchange of nothing since I was broke and it was funny and cheap and best quality than fucking pro-girls. The thing worked not too good, but I managed to succeed with a couple of them.
So, I kept developing the database, with 50 records and made it grow to 100 records. A friend of mine helped me to put another ad looking for models, buying a couple of cellphones, renting an office and proceed with the first project-operation. Saying that we were bookers from an Italian model agency. So we mounted a fake casting and several girls attended to it.
We repeated the experience a few months later. This time with more resources and resulted better. So, in late 2003 I had a database with 150 aspirants, secretaries, actresses and promotoras.
I kept focused due the devaluation of the currency to export talent as programming, and design, my models aspirants database always was more a hobby than anything else, since I was and I still married so it was a really undercover operation.
However, the outsourcing businesses never succeed, so, one day I just decided to merge the database to the programmers and designers database on the website. In 2004 I had more than 300 records including designers and programmers. One year later, in the beginning of 2005 I said, what the fuck and I deleted the old website, and created a new one more oriented to export models than programming and design services. I had to put a 50% of fake models on it, since my real models were too amateur. The amazing thing out of this was that many professional models, actresses, actors asked online to be included on the lists, so I started to include every new profile on the database and made it grow up to 700 records. Then I removed the designers, programmers and focused more on the artists and models than anything else and modified the website several times. While kept as a hobby the website received more than 1.000 unique visitors per day and I had around 30 new applications pending a week. I was able also to do some real professional productions and represent some models helping them in the legal and negotiating issues, and fucking them for something instead of nothing. In fact I got associated with a model to start this business seriously. That really encouraged me to start with another career, while my original idea always kept untouchable and remained focused into fucking the bitches. These bitches and believe me, because I've been in touch with them for several years, are worst than any professional *****. So I feel that somehow, my duty it's to equalize the things and to put them in the position they deserve to be.
That's the reason for the live the dream project to exist.
DrakeCapital
11-07-07, 21:11
My argentine girl and I come for vacation to Buenos Aires in 1997. It was not my first time in BA, but this time I stayed for 1 month.
Two years after, in 1999 I took the decision to move to Buenos Aires to start with an Internet related company. My project involved several businesses related, as ISP, design and development, owned portals and a cybercafé in the center of the city which by the way was the first seriously mounted cybercafé in Buenos Aires. Magicnet.
My partner and I organized two operations for the web development and design. One was DDH (design, development and Hosting) and the other one as Eye for you, this company wanted to produce contents and design and sale it for the USA market. Just 6 months later, in 2000 the dotcom industry experienced a big crash and Argentina itself started to fall into their own financial crisis. During the year 2000 we just worked to survive but we had no luck, in 2001 my partner suffered a blood pressure attack, and a few months later he passed away.
All the projects and illusions I had just vanished and the eye four ya project too.
In the argentine summer of 2002 I took charge of a big bakery placed in downtown with 25 employees, one of my first decisions was to replace part of the staff so we put an ad on the newspaper and hundreds of people answered the ad. I had a database structure that remained from a job we did for Scotiabank (a bank who vanished from Argentina and never paid for the jobs we did for them) So I used the structure for placing the counter staff candidates, which was full of inexperienced promotoras.
Several of these promotoras, also said they were fashion models, or fashion models aspirants and they included their background and book photos.
I answered many of the models trying to fuck them in exchange of nothing since I was broke and it was funny and cheap and best quality than fucking pro-girls. The thing worked not too good, but I managed to succeed with a couple of them.
So, I kept developing the database, with 50 records and made it grow to 100 records. A friend of mine helped me to put another ad looking for models, buying a couple of cellphones, renting an office and proceed with the first project-operation. Saying that we were bookers from an Italian model agency. So we mounted a fake casting and several girls attended to it.
We repeated the experience a few months later. This time with more resources and resulted better. So, in late 2003 I had a database with 150 aspirants, secretaries, actresses and promotoras.
I kept focused due the devaluation of the currency to export talent as programming, and design, my models aspirants database always was more a hobby than anything else, since I was and I still married so it was a really undercover operation.
However, the outsourcing businesses never succeed, so, one day I just decided to merge the database to the programmers and designers database on the website. In 2004 I had more than 300 records including designers and programmers. One year later, in the beginning of 2005 I said, what the fuck and I deleted the old website, and created a new one more oriented to export models than programming and design services. I had to put a 50% of fake models on it, since my real models were too amateur. The amazing thing out of this was that many professional models, actresses, actors asked online to be included on the lists, so I started to include every new profile on the database and made it grow up to 700 records. Then I removed the designers, programmers and focused more on the artists and models than anything else and modified the website several times. While kept as a hobby the website received more than 1.000 unique visitors per day and I had around 30 new applications pending a week. I was able also to do some real professional productions and represent some models helping them in the legal and negotiating issues, and fucking them for something instead of nothing. In fact I got associated with a model to start this business seriously. That really encouraged me to start with another career, while my original idea always kept untouchable and remained focused into fucking the bitches. These bitches and believe me, because I've been in touch with them for several years, are worst than any professional *****. So I feel that somehow, my duty it's to equalize the things and to put them in the position they deserve to be.
That's the reason for the live the dream project to exist.That "experiment" has been done a million times, and always with the same outcome. Somebody (either a boyfrind, pissed off chick, or a jealous asshole) is gonna give you a big fat problem. You might get beat up, stabbed or robbed repeatedly, but you a fucking with fire!
I am sure you get laid plenty, but staying alive is one of my goals also. Not gettin jacked by some "stranger" that knows who I am, but I've never seen them before (like the girls' brother or pimp)
Good luck
I am sure you get laid plenty, but staying alive is one of my goals also. Not gettin jacked by some "stranger" that knows who I am, but I've never seen them before (like the girls' brother or pimp)
Good luckWell, I did not had that kind of problem (yet, LOL)
Probably, because you are thinking in the classic fake porn videos like "casting couchs" "mike's apartment". No, that's not my style, not the objective. While my goal remains getting laid, I would never do it with violence. And violence calls violence and I understand that's it's your picture on this. But it's not the way to do it.
I'm just nice with the girls, and THEY get a wrong picture on their minds. Lastnight I had dinner with a 19 why / o tall and beautifull legs and ass girl, she is classy, she is pretty and she is young. You can talk about many things with her, she is smart and beautiful. I proposed to her to do a photoshooting and she accepted, she called me this morning just to greet me and tell me that she had a nice conversation last night. Last night nothing happened because I did not even pushed it to happen. But I had fun lastnight, and all the people in the resturant (both woman and males) were looking at her, as for her long legs and her shape. So, probably, by the next weekend I'll call her and take her AND another good looking model to get together to the club.
While 100 jerks enters to the club alone, and all they can do it's to get rejected everytime they try to speak to a nice looking girl I do my "star entrance" and I get all the attention.
Sure, I'm not in a hurry, and I had sex lastnight anyway, not with the long legged model, (but she is on my list) As the list grows, I can be less hurried, and girls are calling to "ask-for-the-possibility".
The only thing I did not fixed yet it's what's happens after I get laid with them: some of them remained at my side, and some of them got dissapointed because they were looking for great jobs and / or getting married and rising children together. No one complained too much, and the ones who complained just requested to be removed from the website and that's it. In fact, once happened that the model arrived with her boyfriend, I had a conversation with both, the next day we shooted the video at BAEZ apartment (she is the one who does the streap tease) and I fucked her after that. An hour later the boyfriend called her to her cellphone to tell her he was downstairs while we were fucking, she said to him: "get to the corner and have a coffee, I'm going in a while" She got much more horney then, and SHE asked me to get downstairs with her (which I did not wanted, but I did anyway) I was relaxed after the sex, and guess what. She kissed on him deep when she greeted him, and she still had a little of cum on her mouth. He said "Thank you" 3 times, yeah! Thanks for fucking your girl I thinked to myself.
All these girls has boyfriends and / or are married, because they are hot. But they know how to manage themselves. They will fuck a real producer / director anyway, in fact that's their goal.
A few years ago, Maradona (the soccer idol of Argentina) was in Cuba and he got attracted to a 17 years old VERY beautiful girl. So what he and his crew did? They invited her, her mother, her young boyfriend to party, several times until they had a better feedback, and slowly, the crew rejected the boyfriend to get together with them.
I don't say this kind of reactions (husbands, boyfriends) may never happen, but that will not stop me as does not stop me the risk of being beaten by a car when I cross the street.
DrakeCapital
11-08-07, 00:15
Well, I did not had that kind of problem (yet, LOL)
Probably, because you are thinking in the classic fake porn videos like "casting couchs" "mike's apartment". No, that's not my style, not the objective. While my goal remains getting laid, I would never do it with violence. And violence calls violence and I understand that's it's your picture on this. But it's not the way to do it.
I'm just nice with the girls, and THEY get a wrong picture on their minds. Lastnight I had dinner with a 19 Y.O. with tall and beautifull legs and ass girl, she is classy, she is pretty and she is young. You can talk about many things with her, she is smart and beautiful. I proposed to her to do a photoshooting and she accepted, she called me this morning just to greet me and tell me that she had a nice conversation last night. Last night nothing happened because I did not even pushed it to happen. But I had fun lastnight, and all the people in the resturant (both woman and males) were looking at her, as for her long legs and her shape. So, probably, by the next weekend I'll call her and take her AND another good looking model to get together to the club.
While 100 jerks enters to the club alone, and all they can do it's to get rejected everytime they try to speak to a nice looking girl I do my "star entrance" and I get all the attention.
Sure, I'm not in a hurry, and I had sex lastnight anyway, not with the long legged model, (but she is on my list) As the list grows, I can be less hurried, and girls are calling to "ask-for-the-possibility".
The only thing I did not fixed yet it's what's happens after I get laid with them: some of them remained at my side, and some of them got dissapointed because they were looking for great jobs and / or getting married and rising children together. No one complained too much, and the ones who complained just requested to be removed from the website and that's it. In fact, once happened that the model arrived with her boyfriend, I had a conversation with both, the next day we shooted the video at BAEZ apartment (she is the one who does the streap tease) and I fucked her after that. An hour later the boyfriend called her to her cellphone to tell her he was downstairs while we were fucking, she said to him: "get to the corner and have a coffee, I'm going in a while" She got much more horney then, and SHE asked me to get downstairs with her (which I did not wanted, but I did anyway) I was relaxed after the sex, and guess what. She kissed on him deep when she greeted him, and she still had a little of cum on her mouth. He said "Thank you" 3 times, yeah! Thanks for fucking your girl I thinked to myself.
All these girls has boyfriends and / or are married, because they are hot. But they know how to manage themselves. They will fuck a real producer / director anyway, in fact that's their goal.
A few years ago, Maradona (the soccer idol of Argentina) was in Cuba and he got attracted to a 17 years old VERY beautiful girl. So what he and his crew did? They invited her, her mother, her young boyfriend to party, several times until they had a better feedback, and slowly, the crew rejected the boyfriend to get together with them.
I don't say this kind of reactions (husbands, boyfriends) may never happen, but that will not stop me as does not stop me the risk of being beaten by a car when I cross the street.Keep having fun. What you might not realize is that you ARE exactly like most "model agencies". That is what all of them do. The girls are naive and stupid for thinking otherwise, but they soon learn. I can only say that when you mislead people and play with fire, it is only a matter of time before you are burnt. You will have lots of fun on the way, but it's gonna hurt real bad when it comes. Girls have agendas just like you, and it only takes ONE crazy girl (or her crazy "pimp") and game over. It is so much easier to pay a small fee, get laid, and disappear. Every one of these girls knows where to find you, and that is the danger. When you pay a small fee, or meet a non-pro in a bar, you both know what you are looking for so you haven't played with emotions or promises.
Do they meet you in your "office"? That is a problem is you're "gettin high on your own supply".
Do they believe you have lots of money, by what you tell them, even if it isn't true? Another problem, because you've made yourself a target for somebody playing a harder game than you.
Good luck, and keep me posted. So far so good, but it dosen't end well, if it ever ends. You might be the one smartest guy in the world to pull it off. I'll just pay the entrance fee!
BundaLover
11-08-07, 01:11
This is the most interesting exchange I have read in weeks. I too believe that the longer you do this the greater the chances you'll run into a jealous male relative. It sounds like you are past the deception part of advertising for actors and now have a legitimate operation. Or are you still scamming?
Keep having fun. What you might not realize is that you ARE exactly like most "model agencies". That is what all of them do. The girls are naive and stupid for thinking otherwise, but they soon learn. I can only say that when you mislead people and play with fire, it is only a matter of time befoe you are burnt. You will have lots of fun on the way, but it's gonna hurt real bad when it comes. Girls have agendas just like you, and it only takes ONE crazy girl (or her crazy "pimp") and game over. It is so much easier to pay a small fee, get laid, and disappear. Every one of these girls knows where to find you, and that is the danger. When you pay a small fee, or meet a non-pro in a bar, you both know what you are looking for so you haven't played with emotions or promises.
Do they meet you in your "office"? That is a problem is you're "gettin high on your own supply".
Do they believe you have lots of money, by what you tell them, even if it isn't true? Another problem, because you've made yourself a target for somebody playing a harder game than you.
Good luck, and keep me posted. So far so good, but it dosen't end well, if it ever ends. You might be the one smartest guy in the world to pull it off. I'll just pay the entrance fee!Your statement it's right and I respect it. However, they have no 'pimps'. The working girls have pimps.
I think too than paying a small fee would be much easier for sex. And not paying a thing and masturbating it's even cheaper.
It's all about quality.
So there are several 'qualities' in the getting laid world: you have the street walkers, the borthels apartments, excedra, the triangle, madahos, black. And all above that you have Live the Dream.
In Argentina, the quality it's limited. As an experienced monger, who paid all kind of 'fees' I can tell you that.
Even the girls from Black are slutty. Not classy, and all of them somehow look similar. And I don't mean similar in their shape, but it's on their facial expression after a few months in the business.
As the experienced mongers know, some times things (sexually speaking) works better when you have a regular girl, and does not matter her $ value. Not for years but for months. That's nothing but the human nature. And human nature also says, after a few months you better move forward, when the Love is over. Sex it's all right, you go to the privado, you pay in advance, you fuck you cum and you are free to go, then what? After a few hours you feel alone. Especially when you are not in vacation. The party it's part of the life, at least I need it, and I need the foreplay, I like to seduce and get attracted, at least a little bit. So, that's why the boliches and the excedra exist so I think I'm not the only one. Of course sometimes I just need to spread the sperm away so I don't need all the bullshit, but some times only.
Our society's prerrogative it's on the beauty, quality and design. That's why you pay more for a bmw rather than a crappy car and probably that's why we even call it 'crappy' (ugly, usefulness, and bad designed) Beauty has more value and everyone knows about it.
I'm not smarter than anyone, I'm just a hard worker and lucky to work on what I like and what I like it's beauty.
So I'm still working on this project, I didn't said it's over and accomplished and I need to improve it. You can pay the fee and help to improve it, and I've started this thread to get new ideas and / or others interested on what I'm doing.
Thank you!
This is the most interesting exchange I have read in weeks. I too believe that the longer you do this the greater the chances you'll run into a jealous male relative. It sounds like you are past the deception part of advertising for actors and now have a legitimate operation. Or are you still scamming?It's a legitimate operation because I list and represent the models. So I do my job and I get paid, of course when I represent them. I also made several photo productions and those jobs are legitimate. Several productions are on my websites. There is nothing illegal on the operation, I used to 'exagerate' the prospectives models could have working for me. But now I don't need that bullshit.
So I proposed the models to get into this 'reality show' and pay them an attractive salary (of course I will pay them) and they must fight each other, and effort to being reelected for the next day and they can win. They get paid and they receive a bonus if they can stay for 4 days. http://www.barts.com.ar/barts/ap/
All this happens in the offices (alone and being encouraged by a kind of psicologyst) to do an effort to stay in the show, and then, they have dinner, they know the jury and then in the club. A nice and respectable club. In the VIP.
No one should get pissed off in this game, because the rules are clear. And best of all, everybody wins. If they get dismissed, they will get paid anyway. The 'jury' can either reelect them even if there is no approach, or they can dismiss them but everyone has fun anyway.
Boyfriends, that's not an issue. If these models could be in a serious movie and they get attached to the director, producer or whatever, do you think the director, producer or whatever will deny to fuck her for fearing the boyfriend?
Successfull actresses and models do that all the time and the boyfriend / husband must deal with it, or get divorced.
As stated, this is just an experiment. I think that:
A) paying them,.
Be) offering a bonus for the winner,
C) having them alone, 4 hours listening the same thing and subliminal messages like: he's cute, he's nice, you need that vote.
D) to have a kind of 'vacation' of 4 days with nice guys, in a funny environment, day after day (it's like a seminar and why you think that a big percentage of infidelities occurs in seminars)
E) the environment by itself.
It's just like forcing the nature a little bit! So I hope I can proof it, and if not, I can fix it then I can proof it!
MiddleAgeGuy
11-08-07, 10:06
Great idea, as you have a great base to kick off from. But full of potential twists and turns, like real life.
As these girls will probably have met various real potential clients in the past, I suggest you educate clients on a few basic exchanges to throw in, don't wear your dockers and sneakers, etc. Models will know the gig is up if your clients can't play the game right and that means educating them a bit, myself included if I was here, but would be hopefully for another time.
In the near future, I will be going to a cocktail / party type affaire where the agency types will mix in a few clients and friends with models and I have been educated to play the big shot. Not my style but I can pull it off.
I just hope that even putting this on the site has not already set up a problem.
Buen Suerte.
MAG
DrakeCapital
11-08-07, 12:10
Great idea, as you have a great base to kick off from. But full of potential twists and turns, like real life.
As these girls will probably have met various real potential clients in the past, I suggest you educate clients on a few basic exchanges to throw in, don't wear your dockers and sneakers, etc. Models will know the gig is up if your clients can't play the game right and that means educating them a bit, myself included if I was here, but would be hopefully for another time.
In the near future, I will be going to a cocktail / party type affaire where the agency types will mix in a few clients and friends with models and I have been educated to play the big shot. Not my style but I can pull it off.
I just hope that even putting this on the site has not already set up a problem.
Buen Suerte.
MAGOh man, I just gotta see what happens to you guys! You're gonna love it for awhile, and won't be able to stop until IT stops for you! The above concern can be added to my list of definite pitfalls.
Lastly, this is not a novel idea just because you are now thinking of it. It's old as time itself. I still wish you luck, howver. Keep us posted.
DrakeCapital
11-08-07, 12:13
And teaching, encouraging, requiring them to FIGHT! IT keeps getting better. Get 'em all pissed and violent just before they figure out they've been mislead (and that's being kind) or worse, used and not "paid" for it.
As the experienced mongers know, some times things (sexually speaking) works better when you have a regular girl, and does not matter her $ value. Amen. While I usually enjoy myself with a chica, the sex is almost always better with a regular girlfriend.
The difference is like watching golf on TV (a pleasant experience) and swinging the driver yourself on the course (much better).
Interesting discussion all around. I agree, MCSE, that eventually some jealous boyfriend is going to crush your skull with a brick. But enjoy the ride until then, heh heh heh.
DrakeCapital
11-08-07, 12:27
Amen. While I usually enjoy myself with a chica, the sex is almost always better with a regular girlfriend.
The difference is like watching golf on TV (a pleasant experience) and swinging the driver yourself on the course (much better)
Interesting discussion all around. I agree, MCSE, that eventually some jealous boyfriend is going to crush your skull with a brick. But enjoy the ride until then, heh heh heh.Exactly. I am not saying it dosen't work (preying on a girls unrealistic hopes) it DOES work. But, the guys on the other side (and all attractive girls have SOME guy) are as skeptical of anybody near their pussy as you or I. Now these might not even be "pimps" in the traditional sense. They could be the lazy unemployed guy at home that DEPENDS on her income. He lets her try her "gig" with you but he KNOWS what you are doing be / c he sin't fantasizing about becoming a model-so it's clear to him. He decides you're not only poking his girl, but a distraction in his lifestyle. And here is where it ends; he and his friends "meet" you one day while you think you're getting another great blowjob! Who set the appointment up? The slightly disgruntled girl.
A girl will turn on you in a split second IF she dosen't get what she thinks she should. And, she will employ any tool available to fix things. I predict you won't have the option of "backing out" by the time you want to.
A girl will turn on you in a split second IF she dosen't get what she thinks she should. And, she will employ any tool available to fix things. I predict you won't have the option of "backing out" by the time you want to.C Mon. That's too much paranoic!
Great idea, as you have a great base to kick off from. But full of potential twists and turns, like real life.
As these girls will probably have met various real potential clients in the past, I suggest you educate clients on a few basic exchanges to throw in, don't wear your dockers and sneakers, etc. Models will know the gig is up if your clients can't play the game right and that means educating them a bit, myself included if I was here, but would be hopefully for another time.
In the near future, I will be going to a cocktail / party type affaire where the agency types will mix in a few clients and friends with models and I have been educated to play the big shot. Not my style but I can pull it off.
I just hope that even putting this on the site has not already set up a problem.
Buen Suerte.
MAGThanks for the suggestion!
I will find the way to write something about it. Basically in the fashion world everyone pays attention to the fashion and style.
So I convinced a model aspirant to get to the airport and pick up a client, do a video and some pictures.
By the way I have more than 180 models and aspirants interested into meeting producers, directors and get paid for join us to the VIP's clubs.
Well, so like 3 weeks ago (as you know I'm very busy these days) a model I never met started to send me emails and I have sent her my cellphone, she was complaining because I have put her profile under new faces and we did never met.
She is a tall and really professional model looking type, with professional portfolio, so that's why I've listed she on my database. She is tall and she is black, from Brazil. She told me she is travelling back to Brazil for the hollydays and she has no time back so she encouraged me to rush our first meeting. So I have told her to meet at one of my apartments. Then I (dumb yes I'm) totally forgot the appointment. Well, when she went there she asked for the agency and (dumber is my doorman) he told her there were no agency in there but an apartment we rent for short term. Damn! So, she called me and I ran to the meeting, getting in there late, like 30 mins after (very bad) and she was escorted by her husband, he seemed to be pissed and looked with that bad look. But anyway, we went upstairs in the elevator, and (I'm sorry, I can't resist) I was looking at her beautiful and unique legs she has, and her sexy skirt. Fuck, she was wearing a sexy skirt and in person, she is fucking-really-hot.
I have to menction as a matter of fact two things that increased the hate I have received with that sight at the elevator: my lover just an hour ago started to send me some horny sms's on my cellphone because she wanted to get together, and today was a hot day and I have seen houndreds of beautiful girls in mini skirts and showing the half or her tits with the wet the heat produces.
So, well, we've got to the apartment and we started our meeting. The husband looks like an american football player, in good shape, tall and muscled, argentine and blond, probably from cordoba but not sure, she is black, tall and thin, but she is also sexy, and she moves her face lips in a very provocative way, almost licking her own lips. Then she started to pay attention to what I said, (strictly business) so the guy again looked at she with that angry sight.
Well, so, I was yes I was horny and I think the guy noticed it, and she was horny too I think, so I could't resist and I asked the guy: what's going on? Are you ok? So, unexpectly the guy changed his sight for almost wet eyes and he said he is going with her now everywhere and they quit from the former agency because the manager (my competitor) was sexually arrasing (molesting) her. The worst part (he said) it's once she accepted nothing changed at all and she was unable to get better and better paid jobs. Guys, I was laughing inside but showing myself serious and concerned. The competitor is a very well known guy in the industry, so I've asked, what happened then, and they said they just quit from that manager and that was the reason for getting to my agency.
However, the rest of the meeting is irrelevant, BUT, when we greet outside she told me "I'll be happy to see you again when I'm back" with a nasty expression she said. We kissed close to our lips, in front of the guy.
After that I remembered the concerns of this thread and that's why I'm writing this. You can search for her on the page, with the provided description I think is enough.
I'm late again, saludossss!
Well, so like 3 weeks ago (as you know I'm very busy these days) a model I never met started to send me emails and I have sent her my cellphone, she was complaining because I have put her profile under new faces and we did never met.
She is a tall and really professional model looking type, with professional portfolio, so that's why I've listed she on my database. She is tall and she is black, from Brazil. She told me she is travelling back to Brazil for the hollydays and she has no time back so she encouraged me to rush our first meeting. So I have told her to meet at one of my apartments. Then I (dumb yes I'm) totally forgot the appointment. Well, when she went there she asked for the agency and (dumber is my doorman) he told her there were no agency in there but an apartment we rent for short term. Damn! So, she called me and I ran to the meeting, getting in there late, like 30 mins after (very bad) and she was escorted by her husband, he seemed to be pissed and looked with that bad look. But anyway, we went upstairs in the elevator, and (I'm sorry, I can't resist) I was looking at her beautiful and unique legs she has, and her sexy skirt. Fuck, she was wearing a sexy skirt and in person, she is fucking-really-hot.
I have to menction as a matter of fact two things that increased the hate I have received with that sight at the elevator: my lover just an hour ago started to send me some horny sms's on my cellphone because she wanted to get together, and today was a hot day and I have seen houndreds of beautiful girls in mini skirts and showing the half or her tits with the wet the heat produces.
So, well, we've got to the apartment and we started our meeting. The husband looks like an american football player, in good shape, tall and muscled, argentine and blond, probably from cordoba but not sure, she is black, tall and thin, but she is also sexy, and she moves her face lips in a very provocative way, almost licking her own lips. Then she started to pay attention to what I said, (strictly business) so the guy again looked at she with that angry sight.
Well, so, I was yes I was horny and I think the guy noticed it, and she was horny too I think, so I could't resist and I asked the guy: what's going on? Are you ok? So, unexpectly the guy changed his sight for almost wet eyes and he said he is going with her now everywhere and they quit from the former agency because the manager (my competitor) was sexually arrasing (molesting) her. The worst part (he said) it's once she accepted nothing changed at all and she was unable to get better and better paid jobs. Guys, I was laughing inside but showing myself serious and concerned. The competitor is a very well known guy in the industry, so I've asked, what happened then, and they said they just quit from that manager and that was the reason for getting to my agency.
However, the rest of the meeting is irrelevant, BUT, when we greet outside she told me "I'll be happy to see you again when I'm back" with a nasty expression she said. We kissed close to our lips, in front of the guy.
After that I remembered the concerns of this thread and that's why I'm writing this. You can search for her on the page, with the provided description I think is enough.
I'm late again, saludossss!I think it says more not about the industry, but about how most on this board have predicted your fate as to the same scam you are pulling on these girls that this one complained about. MCSE, you have nice apartments, you deliver the goods as you promise on the apartments and you help set newbies up. But leave it at that. I would join in on the rest saying you are just waiting for hell to kick in. That you seek to win some game because you scammed some girl in to believing that you or one of your other scammers are some poweful dude. It'll consume you (already has) and you will get fucked. But not how you want.
Just Sayin.
BT
It will be interesting to see how long this lasts. People rob banks thinking because they got away with it once or twice they will never get caught. Same thing with robbing pussy. You get your fantasy rush until "BUSTED". Have fun while it lasts.
BundaLover
12-19-07, 04:24
I too read MSCE with a bit of unease. His postings are always interesting and fun to read. They make me think. However we have a very different line in the sand when it comes to ethics. He enjoys the scam and deception. It is part of the seduction process for him. I think it childish and not something that would ever interest me. On one hand he presents himself professionally as an agent and on the other he publically details the games he plays. He is an adult. He can do what he wants. If he did this shit in Brasil he would be most dead by now. Kind of makes me wonder if the macho Argentine male is a wimp.
MCSE, you have nice apartments, you deliver the goods as you promise on the apartments and you help set newbies up. But leave it at that. I would join in on the rest saying you are just waiting for hell to kick in. That you seek to win some game because you scammed some girl in to believing that you or one of your other scammers are some poweful dude.Thanks for the comments on my apartments!
Honestly, I appreciate your advise, and I'll be careful.
As I have wrote before, there is no scam in this experiment. You're right when you say it's consuming my time, and it's true, but no more than any other hobby could do it.
My point with the post was to proof somehow (to myself in the first stage, then sharing it with you) the collective feeling (and I think everyone has at least one time thinked about) regarding that in the models industry, sex it's involved. Sex it's a price to pay. They also say that many managers and designers, photographers, etc are gay, no proofs around, but in the straight percentage, managers, photographers, designers, etc they want to fuck the models just like I want, somehow helped me to understand that I'm a normal person rather than a pervert, but I'm still not sure. Everyone has a paraphilia, some like them busty, some like them with the tan lines, some like them booty, well my paraphilia it's I like them perfect, stylished, classy.
I too read MSCE with a bit of unease. His postings are always interesting and fun to read. They make me think. However we have a very different line in the sand when it comes to ethics. He enjoys the scam and deception. It is part of the seduction process for him. I think it childish and not something that would ever interest me. On one hand he presents himself professionally as an agent and on the other he publically details the games he plays. He is an adult. He can do what he wants. If he did this shit in Brasil he would be most dead by now. Kind of makes me wonder if the macho Argentine male is a wimp.Part ONE.
The Morality of BundaLover:
As said before, the nature of this experiment it's to find a way, an opportunity to find perhaps, real love, if not, a great sexual experience with a beautiful, classy and outrageous girl.
Now, it's nothing but hillarious to talk about morality in this board. There is so much hipocrasy around, at least I just expose my experiment and as always, I'm open to suggestions and improvements. However, this is not a "scam". A scam must involve money, or at least, the non-accomplishment of a deal. I've helped several models on their carreers and I would never force a girl to do something she don't want to do. Ever.
The ethics of fucking a lactating girl, who has no other opportunity in her life rather than sharing her son's milk with strange people in order to feed her son are for sure elevated and refinated. The ethics of going to a privado parlor and fucking a girl who has been traded from another one and is 24/7 controlled by her pimps are perhaps "spiritual". Because taking advantage of the macro economics desadvantages permits with a regular european / american salary to fuck for less in another undeveloped country and sure, and that's very moral too.
Part TWO:
The morality of the girls:
The girls are looking around, and au contraire of many of you heared at the church, females are happy to have sexual intercourses, and sex it's not only for creating offspring, it can be used with recreational propouses too. Humans are not the only mammals that have sexual intercourses for fun. Dolphins and monkeys they also do it, and by the way, a branch of african monkeys has female to female intercourses too.
So girls are there and they want to fuck, now they must choose a partner for each sexual intercourse. Is it bad that I propose myself as interested and request an opportunity to have fun with them?
Every woman and every man do what they can to get laid. Woman take care of their body, makeup and try to look the best they can, as male do as well. All the rest it's about negotiations and tradeoffs.
This project it's about an alternative and by the way, creative way to accomplish the objective of getting laid.
Part ONE.
The Morality of BundaLover:
As said before, the nature of this experiment it's to find a way, an opportunity to find perhaps, real love, if not, a great sexual experience with a beautiful, classy and outrageous girl.
Now, it's nothing but hillarious to talk about morality in this board. There is so much hipocrasy around, at least I just expose my experiment and as always, I'm open to suggestions and improvements. However, this is not a "scam". A scam must involve money, or at least, the non-accomplishment of a deal. I've helped several models on their carreers and I would never force a girl to do something she don't want to do. Ever.
The ethics of fucking a lactating girl, who has no other opportunity in her life rather than sharing her son's milk with strange people in order to feed her son are for sure elevated and refinated. The ethics of going to a privado parlor and fucking a girl who has been traded from another one and is 24/7 controlled by her pimps are perhaps "spiritual". Because taking advantage of the macro economics desadvantages permits with a regular european / american salary to fuck for less in another undeveloped country and sure, and that's very moral too.
Part TWO:
The morality of the girls:
The girls are looking around, and au contraire of many of you heared at the church, females are happy to have sexual intercourses, and sex it's not only for creating offspring, it can be used with recreational propouses too. Humans are not the only mammals that have sexual intercourses for fun. Dolphins and monkeys they also do it, and by the way, a branch of african monkeys has female to female intercourses too.
So girls are there and they want to fuck, now they must choose a partner for each sexual intercourse. Is it bad that I propose myself as interested and request an opportunity to have fun with them?
Every woman and every man do what they can to get laid. Woman take care of their body, makeup and try to look the best they can, as male do as well. All the rest it's about negotiations and tradeoffs.
This project it's about an alternative and by the way, creative way to accomplish the objective of getting laid.For sure the question of who is moral, what is moral and the forum by which we discuss this is a bit shaky on all levels. However I must side with Bundalover in the line that is differently drawn in the sand. One knows exactly what one is doing with and why and for what. I know that a good possibility that a chica we talk about at times with as much indifference as good piece of steak we had a restaurant may not seem very moral, she may be owned by some pimp, she may be sending every peso back to Paraguay to feed her family or she may just be an indepenedent business woman sucking (pun intended) every peso out of our fantasy fed brains. And. And I write a big and with a purposeful comma, AND, its all on the table as to what where and why.
WHere we may disagree and feel unease, is the clear and pursposful game that you advertise as a means of deceit to get laid. Maybe that its not so different than (as I will simplyfy for you your very complicated style of english) giving the girls what they want. But you are not giving them what you want, you are giving them a false reality. I think we used to call that snake oil in the old days.
While true commenting about your tactitcs is a bit tricky considering the forum, its memebers and the topic, and it may be like a pot calling the kettle black. But I would guess that many of the mongers here would agree that your tactics are unnerving. Maybe this is a interesting opportunity for a new poll. Heh Jackson?
Am I a lying scammer when I ask a woman out to dinner and a date, suggest that I am interested in a long-term relationship, and then fuck her doggie style in the back seat of my car -- when I am really interested in nothing more than depositing my sperm in her twat? (Careful the cum doesn't drip onto the leather seats, hon!)
There are many levels of lying. MCSE is refining the method more than most, but it's only a difference of degree to what I have done all my life. If he keeps up his present game, one of these days a boyfriend is going to murder him, this is true. It may well be the kind of man who will cry about his woman's infidelity to a total stranger, while sitting in front of her.
Until then, I say: LIVE THE DREAM! :D
HairBalderman
12-19-07, 21:05
From the Forum Rules:
No Prosthelyzing: Please do not use this Forum to espouse anti-prostitution, anti-commercial sex, or other similar sociological, political or religious beliefs.
Besides, I'm kinda looking forward to reading MCSE's successes / failures. Sounds like he may have backended himself into a business that may ultimately work. Then again, he may get his legs broken. It's his prerogative either way.
BundaLover
12-19-07, 21:21
I'll fuck almost anything beautiful with a pussy under it. I don't need to bullshit the girls. I'm no beauty queen but I have to wonder if MSCE is very unattractive. He represents models. He sees them day in and day out. Wouldnt you think he has pussy coming out his ears if he were capable? I would have worn my dick down to the bone if I were around dumb models on a regular basis with no need for the games indicated below.
Sometimes they even like me. I can think of nothing more boring than tricking a dumb and poor model into thinking I'm a director or producer. They never had a problem with horny tourist from Amerika. Here is a cut and paste from MSCE web page (refferenced in this forum on page 1)
"The girls will be paid for assist, they will be paid with a few bucks for the first night, double the 2nd one and double the 3rd and double the 4th. So, for them it's Very attractive to stay for the 4 sessions. They know the rules, but they will be told clients are either hollywood producers, fashion designers, etc. You must NEVER tell them you are not and traitors will be punished. No traitors allowance, zero tollerance."
And this.
"We have told the models them to work in the clubs promoting and fishing for models with a special custome. 4 girls will attend on every event, an extra 2 girls will be as a backup. A coordinator will also be there. The coordinator (a female) is instructed to encourage girls to pay attention to you the clients and encourage them to have drinks, have fun and tell them nice things about the clients. The coordinator is kinda that tiny voice telling the models things. I will be also in there as the project creator and manager.
Girls will ask if is it possible for their boyfriends attend the event. We will grant the possibility, but the boyfriends will be kept out of the VIP room. Even when they want to go, pre-arranged is with the nightclub staff to don't let them get in. During the casting will investigate and inquire about their boyfriends, because, if one of the boyfriends is too related with the nightlife scene (even may be he owns a club or whatever) this action will not be possible."
. And this.
"You MUST be a nice and fair person to participate, you have to pass a psicological test, a phisical exam, you must look on the fashion, be young, or at least look young, accomplish with the cost, NOT BE A TRAITOR, NOT TO BE A CHEAP. This project is not oriented cheap."
The above are not my words. They are the words of MSCE. They speak for themselves.
Jackson were you aware of this?
BARTS is a headliner on your website.
BundaLover
12-19-07, 21:27
So where do we draw the line? Lying is OK? Group lying is OK. Hiding from boyfriends in nightclubs is OK? HUH? Are drugs in their drinks OK? How about date rape as part of the fantasy? Where does this end? At what point does the 'justification' start to stink?
From the Forum Rules:
No Prosthelyzing: Please do not use this Forum to espouse anti-prostitution, anti-commercial sex, or other similar sociological, political or religious beliefs.
Besides, I'm kinda looking forward to reading MCSE's successes / failures. Sounds like he may have backended himself into a business that may ultimately work. Then again, he may get his legs broken. It's his prerogative either way.Not trying to be anti anything (except for anti broke body parts) I too want to se mcse succeed only so that I can use his apt again. And he can come to the place not in crutches.
Great! All right Brad:
As the thread title explains, this is an experiment, there is a demand for high end quality beautiful girls. The problem is: how to get laid with them. I wanted to share my experiences with some other 'diversity-mongers' who might be interested. I have been working on this for years. Main interest it's about the quality, since I strongly (but very strongly) doubt that you can have perfect girls just because you're the horny american tourist. That will work for maids, waitresses, etc. If you don't have the right connections this won't work with the classy model type girls. Oh, I forgot you are Brad Pitt. Well, in that case it's not a problem, you don't have to lie and say you're a producer / director.
Jackson were you aware of this?Yes, you can be sure of it. In fact, I don't think he needs much help policing the site. You've said your piece, which is your prerogative, now I suggest you let others have their say, if any.
This is a meeting we have organized at Kandi. Kandi is a hip spot on baez street in las canitas. (I should I write a report on it, I'll do it later) so, I contacted two models to attend the meeting, the meeting was at 9 PM, and we had drinks and sushi. The girls were very interested to met my clients, however, to secure their presence I had to pay them to go. We had scheduled 3 models, but one failed. This is very common to happen. After the meeting we pointed to go to a nightclub, but this was a Tuesday and being the end of the year, most of the clubs are closed to private events. As always, each time I have an opportunity I take it to improve the system.
DrakeCapital
12-20-07, 13:43
This is a meeting we have organized at Kandi. Kandi is a hip spot on baez street in las canitas. (I should I write a report on it, I'll do it later) so, I contacted two models to attend the meeting, the meeting was at 9 PM, and we had drinks and sushi. The girls were very interested to met my clients, however, to secure their presence I had to pay them to go. We had scheduled 3 models, but one failed. This is very common to happen. After the meeting we pointed to go to a nightclub, but this was a Tuesday and being the end of the year, most of the clubs are closed to private events. As always, each time I have an opportunity I take it to improve the system.You're already paying them, and not even in their pants yet. I wish you luck, but I think your putting too much thought in this. You mention that "the problem is how to have sex with them" in an earlier post. The way I see it, it's not a problem, and if a particular girl is not giving it up-just move on. It's not necessary to trick, decieve, and make enemies of the girls.
DrakeCapital
12-20-07, 13:50
One glaring weakness in MCSE's plan, besides pissing all sorts of people off (Girls and the guys they are with) is very clear.
Most guys, like me, don't want the bitchy girls that think they are gonna change their life by being a model. We like the down to earth girl that dosen't realize how sexy and attractive she really is. She's sweeter, better in bed, etc.
Still just as hot, but friendly and genuine smiles too!!
BundaLover
12-20-07, 15:29
Yah yah models are prettier than maids. Yah yah MSCE does have great taste in woman. Yes 'his' models are prettier than most of the girls at the privados and clubs. MSCE this isnt a one time thing for you. You have said that you are working on perfecting the 'system' for a long time. However even dumb models are sometimes able to read and speak English. Even models are sometimes educated and know how to perform internet searches. It is EASY for them to read what you have posted. So how long can you keep this hidden? How many guys just off the plane can drink alcohol at the clubs and not let it slip that they sell books in Iowa as a living and are not Hollywood producers? Its not easy to spend hour after hour lying to females. Sure you married guys are used to it but.
Additionally don't you think that some of the models talk to each other and share experiences?
I'm not Brad Pitt. However I developed a technique that I am going to share with you that usually works. When I hang out with women 'of questionable characther' like the ones at ***** houses for example. I find that if I wrap my cock with a $100 note and present it to them that all the girls think I look like Brad Pitt for approximately 40 mins. Try it!
MSCE by the way I really find your postings fascinating. You are doing stuff that I agree is on the edge of fantasy and real life. Plus your insight to Porteno culture is wonderful.
"the problem is how to have sex with them" "Alcohol"
The old reliable - it has rarely failed me.:D
Some years back at a local hotel very popular amongst local businessmen (estancieros, wine maker etc) the ground, 1st and 2nd floor had been converted into offices for small local companies. The son of the owner of one of those companies ran an advert in a local paper asking for an executive secretary. He ran the advert for about two months and fucked or at least tried to fuck each and every applicant till the father of one of the girls turned up with a gun and sprayed the place with the guy's blood and brains!
Same hotel not more than three months later, another guy tried the same trick though he had no relation to anyone hiring offices there - he just made sure he tipped the waiters and the front desk personnel very well so he received all his phone calls and messages at the hotel (this was before cell phones) so he'd sit in the bar and seemed to anyone he interviewed as being influential and well known at the hotel. He fucked some really good looking birds till he pissed off one of them and she bust his head in with a huge crystal ashtray. She didn't kill him but he suffered sever brain damage!
My brother in law has a company providing personnel for security agencies and office cleaning companies etc. He also used to get into many a girl's pants (not beauties this time but if you knew my brother-in-law they were beauties to him! Once again this went on till he pissed off the wrong girl who stabbed him in the arm and chest (sadly not fatally)
MCSE, what you are doing is as old as shagging itself! It does work and you are going to fuck some really good looking bitches but the risks are also real. Of course, the risks are part of the game and from what I read cuckolding the guys is one of the satisfactions you get from the game.
But I would never and I mean NEVER post about it on a semi public forum especially one where you are easily identified through your proffesion. But of course, your a big boy!
Do you guys know if there are any Sugar Daddy sites in Buenos Aires. It's getting very big in the U. S. And I was thinking of setting something up down there. The Argentine women would be perfect!
Jackson were you aware of this?Hi BundaLover,
Actually, MCSE had the courtesy to clear this thread with me before he posted it. Obviously I approved it, in part because I wanted to see where it would lead.
I personally don't see it as anything more that the usual games played between men and chicas, said games typically including some measure of deception on one or both parties.
BTW, I think all these predictions that MCSE is going to be subjected to some physical demise because of his game are rather remote.
Thanks,
Jackson
You're already paying them, and not even in their pants yet. I wish you luck, but I think your putting too much thought in this. Dear Drake:
I completely understand your point of view. It's valid, it's practical, business oriented. I won't change your way to see the things, I just wander why someone would pay up to 5 million dollars for an authentic picasso, while decorating the wall may cost just 5 bucks.
Having fun for me it's also interesting. If I want a quick fuck I know where to go, and depending on several factors such as location, budget and preference, I could I spend no more than 50 pesos, in fact, there is a good parlor who charged 8 pesos for a 30 mins session (girls were nice and fairly good lookig) (look in the 2002 reports) Well that's ok when you need to cum and you don't want to jerk off. Another question is: if I can jerk off watching a Silvia Saint movie for free, why I'm going to spend money on a not that good looking one in real life?
A possible answer is, after a while that becomes boring, as well as becomes boring to go to a private apartment, wait for a girl you have never seen before and ride on her as a horse which I'm not saying it's not interesting. I'm just saying that after a while becomes boring same thing as if you eat everyday the same style of food. So, then you go to a club, let's say a non-pro night club and you must do an effort and you don't know if you'll be successful or you are going to end the nite at your favorite privado apartment. So, after a while, you go to hook, cocodrilo or whatever, but unless you negotiate she'll be only one hour, which it's not bad, since by the way, you pay them to leave. But again, after a while, the thing become boring again, you know that you can do it and all you need it's 100 dollars, and that's it. Many guys hire working girls to have dinner with them at a fancy restaurant at puerto madero, since some times neccesary is to fill not only your primarely sexual desire, there is something else and I don't know what is it. One possible answer it's the party. The party incentivates and the party it's good stuff. Having party with the girls it's good stuff, especially when they're classy and more than good looking. You can share at least a few opinions, or whatever, but it's not same when a non-interested working girl is in there. They really don't know how to pretend outside of the room, may be they are experts pretending inside of the bed, but outside of the room they really don't know. Models are the opposite, they have a lot of party experience, they know the clubs, schedules, better than I do. However, the whole thing it's uncomplete if there is no sex, and I mean with the same girl you party.
Another interesting things regarding the models vs the working-girls is the models don't fuck 20 different guys per week, their pussies are tight and smell better, when they say "fuck me" (well, my favorite is "clavame" since I speak spanish no argentine girl ever said fuck me) they say it for real, and when they say "ahh" they do it for real.
Additionally don't you think that some of the models talk to each other and share experiences?Well Mussuolini said: better is a day as a lion rather than a 100 years as a rat.
I consider you guys as my friends, even if you desagree with my techniques, I understand that not everyone should see things same way as I do. I hope that no one reveals this dirty little secret;) I always respect all of you, I assume a risk that this thread may be readed by a model, or several, but I tell you this: I have confessed how I have started to a few girls I have confidence with, and they reacted in different ways. Of course I can not confess before I had intercourse with them. But they are woman and they are aware they are hot and they are also aware that our mission it's to bang them. In my experience they got decepted when a guy tells them they will have promotora's jobs, and they charge them for bad quality books. That really pisses them. Besides of being pissed, there is nothing they can do against me, I have done anything illegal. It's my nature to desire get laid and make love to the girls I find attractive, however, I have never forced anyone to do things they did not wanted.
MSCE by the way I really find your postings fascinating. You are doing stuff that I agree is on the edge of fantasy and real life. Plus your insight to Porteno culture is wonderful.Thank you!
I hope that no one reveals this dirty little secret;) I always respect all of youWhy? There are some real rats who read this board. In fact, I am sure that at least one of them feels it his solemn duty to tell your models about your posts. Fact. (And I am not directing this to BundaLover. The biggest rats are "read only" members.)
BundaLover
12-20-07, 22:22
Hunt99,
I don't hang with 'models' I'm too poor and old and would rather cut my head off then to try to have a 'conversation' with them. I feel it is really not my business to 'warn' girls that some guys employ tricks to get into their pants. Can you imagine having to sit through a whole beer mug while listenning to them? Its enough to make a man give up drinking.
BundaLover
12-20-07, 22:27
. Of course I can not confess before I had intercourse with them.
Thank you!Are you married to them too?
Hunt99,
I don't hang with 'models' I'm too poor and old and would rather cut my head off then to try to have a 'conversation' with them. I feel it is really not my business to 'warn' girls that some guys employ tricks to get into their pants. Can you imagine having to sit through a whole beer mug while listenning to them? Its enough to make a man give up drinking.Hey Bunda - the most powerful aphrisodisiac is money. Don't believe for one minute that old guys can't have young women crawling all over them. In fact, this is the entire premise of this website, isn't it? In this thread, the only difference is "indirect" payment as opposed to straight "cash for time." Kind of like a girlfriend, but without the "I love you" business added in.
Hey Bunda - the most powerful aphrisodisiac is money. Don't believe for one minute that old guys can't have young women crawling all over them. In fact, this is the entire premise of this website, isn't it? In this thread, the only difference is "indirect" payment as opposed to straight "cash for time." Kind of like a girlfriend, but without the "I love you" business added in.This guy really lives the dream.
BundaLover
12-22-07, 05:17
This guy really lives the dream.Wait a minute.
1) I'm not that old.
2) I don't like blondes.
3) I have listenned to his 4 girlfriends on television about a year ago. I would rather fuck him then have to be with them for more than 30 seconds and I'm not gay.
4) Yah Hef has had good life but I bet he is jealous of Jackson and Exon123.
This guy really lives the dream.A dream that was based on PAYING girls to take thier clothes off, PAYING them to hang around people, paying them salaries to fuck his friends. And then giving them lots of gifts, money to fuck him. In the end MCSE you are going to have to pay no matter what fantasy you are buying or selling. IT will cost you and them in the end. No escaping.
Please keep this thread going MCSE,
I personally find it very entertaining to read your adventures in pursuit of high end GFE like experiences with aspiring models.
I think in the end (like many have already stated) you still end up paying. Whether it's nice dinners to fancy restaurants or weekend trips to wherever.
But I agree, that your girls will most likely be better looking than 80% of the providers most of the guys on here use. They will also have less mileage and you will get a much more genuine experience overall. I am sure the airhead factor is ever present though and so I am of the same opinion that spending excessive amounts of time might with said airheads might cause intractable migraines.
To each his own.
Regards.
BTW, ever guy in Hollywood is a "producer / director" that might have a "part" for an aspiring model / actress. It's a game as old as time, and just like all guys claim to be something they are not, girls do it as well. Nothing wrong with that. So play on David Copperfield.;)
Bad
There is no "free lunch", no matter how much she says she does not love you for your money, Money has a lot to do with it. Women are very expensive, weather she is a pro or not.
I rather get tru all the red tape and get right down to and fuck her without all that romanitc waste.
Like I always say. I pay them to leave, because once I cum. I want her to go.
A dream that was based on PAYING girls to take thier clothes off, PAYING them to hang around people, paying them salaries to fuck his friends. And then giving them lots of gifts, money to fuck him. In the end MCSE you are going to have to pay no matter what fantasy you are buying or selling. IT will cost you and them in the end. No escaping.That's right, and I agree. However, there is a difference bewteen knowing the path and walking the path.
I rather get tru all the red tape and get right down to and fuck her.
Without all that romanitc waste.
Like I always say. I pay them to leave, because once I cum. I want her.
To go awayI don't like the romantic shit either. But I like the party!
MCSE, what you are doing is as old as shagging itself! It does work and you are going to fuck some really good looking bitches but the risks are also real. Of course, the risks are part of the game and from what I read cuckolding the guys is one of the satisfactions you get from the game. When girls are beautiful it's easy for them to have 10 guys on the lineup waiting for couple with them, that could be a good explanation for the most part of the models are enganged in a relationship. However, this is not absolute, and the level of commitment may vary from case to case. Remember if the guy is good enough as to take possesion of a beautiful one, it's also a possibility he cheats on her with another beauty, or, at least to have som girls in his own lineup. Another chance it's the girl does not takes that relationship too seriuosly. And opposite of what you think, my idea it's not related to make girls to cheat on their boyfriends, it's just a collateral damage.
Well when I was 19 years old, I was living in chile and chile it's such as a boring country, so I had my friends and each one of us (6) contributed some money (some got a loan from their parents) so we purchased the license of an old night club, renovated a place and started a business. My friends were as younger as I was, all studying at the same university.
Well, so I went to the south of chile, where people is poorer and I have met a just married couple (in the country they get married very young, especially when she gets pregnant, and this was the case, but she had a spontaneous abortion, however the marriage was already done) they wanted to go live to santiago (the capital) and they had no money at all. I offered them to work at the club, but they barely had the money to take the bus, one of their problems was related to their lodging in santiago.
So I offered them to stay in the guests house of home for a while until the were able to find a place, since my father was living in the south at that time, I had a large house for me alone, and the guest house was apart of my house. It was at that time full of things like a warehouse, but I've made to get cleanned and got better.
Anyway, she was a sexy brunette, the typical latin american look, dark skin and black eyes, she was 18 years old with the kind of a flat stomach that turns me on, so after a discussion with my partners, as I wasn't the only administrator and decisions were taken by democracy, she finally ended in the bar kinda as a waitress, the husband as security guard at the door, and after she accomplished her shift, she helped me with the money processing. We collected a lot of cash per day, so before closing the nighclub she, at least one of my partners, and I were in the office (the club used to be a bank, and the office was the former space for the safe) to count the money, hide it and I have placed him to watch the office door the whole night till 10 AM when other of the partners used to enter the office. And transport the cash to the bank.
She was very open, a happy person, she loved to dance, so, she was there at the bar, and she used to get to the dance floor sometimes, all of my partners told me that she seemed inerested in me, so, one night we were at the office and I've told her that my relationship with my girlfriend was going bad (by the way that was true) and almost over and I was sad about that. That was all I said, and she told me what can she do? I said nothing and suddenly she was sucking my cock.
The girl was simply hot. I don't like that much the dark-skinned latin-american type girls but this one was an exception. However, I've told her, sorry, this I can't do, but she insisted with saying no words and touching my cock that by that time was hard as a rock (remember I was only 19 years old) so I've asked 3 times and I said 3 times if she was sure (currently I would not ask even once) and well, what the fuck, we had a great sex session that night.
After that was common to take her home after work (as they lived at my place) and fuck long hours. Everyone in the club, and especially my partners were aware that we were fucking. In fact, my girlfriend at that time started to call me like every five minutes, but unfortunally her parents controlled her too much and she was totally forbidden to return home after 11:00PM yes, that's the chilean mentality.
However, this chica (the waitress) fucked very good and with great passion, everything was ok and I was almost happy, but for the situation, and at the begining I was kinda scared to get caught, that fear passed and we had sex almost every night.
They needed to go back to the south for a week, but she said she was sick and she made the guy to travel alone. That week was great! She stayed all the time at my home, we went to ski and to the beach, and for her was something amazing, she ever dreamed about it. After that I've asked her to move with me definetly and end the relationship she had with the guy, but she was not 100% sure about it. The very next day, she enters to my house and she says she is in love with me. Fuck, 10 mins later, the guy arrives, and I was kinda ready and in position to get in trouble, but the guy gets in his knees and started to cry (not to me but to the girl) and she got a real biitch attitude against him. So after a few minutes both look at me to ask my advise, I said him there are two options: you can keep living at the guest house but the girl will move with me anyway, or you can leave if you want but the girl will stay with me anyway. I've let them alone and moved to my step-mother apartment for a few days, quit from going to the club for a few days, but eventually got back to the club, so the guy, respectfully told me that he thinked about it and he wanted to keep in his shift at the club, ok I said, and things went back to the normality, the difference was that she was staying all the time at home with me. She was happy and her behavior with the guy was everytime more and more biitch like, she told him several hurting-like things in front of everyone, like she ejoyed the trip to the beach we had, and things like that. However, my friends were loyal but at some point she exchanged with one of my partners, and he told me that would be better if I released the girl from her duties, because, unavoidable will be that she get into a sexual exchange with him, or any of my friends. The husband finally returned to the south he lost the hope to have her back, and the whole situation was hard for him. So in addition my father calls me and pushed me to return the girl which I did, so I've told her to get back to the south and work for my father's farm and eventually they've returned to their original relationship.
This girl returned to my mind when I've got the attached picture, a few days ago, the attached one is not the girl, but she is quite similar, or at least as I remember.
Besides of this story that actually happened I would never take a girl from someone I know, even if she is a whoore. All of that was a complete mistake from my part, as at the same time I had fun, but later I realized of the damage I've did. However, it's a complete different concept when is the girl the one I met first. Because, if the girl is the one who offers herself and cheats the boyfriend, means she will do it with any other guy she is interested in. So why not?
In case that it's me who insist and forces the girl to have sex, yes, I will accept any kind of punishment. But I won't do something like that.
Now, different is when the boyfriend is aware of it, this is the case, for instance, of many working girls, in fact, Mia (the girl who was included on the premier pack, but she no longer is) the husband is the one who types in the messenger pretending is Mia, and the one who controls all of her appointments. A real pimp with only one girl.
4) Yah Hef has had good life but I bet he is jealous of Jackson and Exon123.LOL! Yes, I totally agree!
I have been talking to this girl, she is nice, young and well educated, she told me she wants to get implants (tits implants) to develop better her career. She lives in the north of the country and she is able to travel to Buenos Aires. She'll do anything to get her brand new boobs.
Anything?
I have a contract I would like her to sign:)
In order to specify, anything means getting laid, or, having sex, multiple times, covered by a fake-mounted contract. Boobs may cost around ar$ 7.000 because boobs factories are much inexpensive in Argentina compared to other countries. That's why we can see a lot of silicone girls around. Now to provide a fair value to the anything factor, we should not base in the excedra's pussy value, since it's a different product. As menctioned, this is a glam model, with different manners, different looks, and you could make her a sort of girlfriend for a while.
DrakeCapital
01-28-08, 00:57
Been ahwile since I have visited this thread. I see you're still out and about MCSE, with the "super ingenious" shag plan! I seriously thought to myself, as I typed in the search bar, that I might read you got your head smashed by now. I don't wish this on you, but it's a fine line you're walking.
Good luck on the project, and I really like the look of your recent pics of the "will do anything for her fake boobies" model. Perhaps you can have her visit and pop you nuts all weekend, as you "schedule" her operation, and send her home. Gonna be fun, and your nuts will be spent, but sounds like fire. Be sure to go someplace else other than where you live (with all the "targets" by the way) because it's pretty unsettling to hear a pounding on your door at 4am.
Keep cruisin'
She may be good looking but $p7000 is one hell of an expensive fuck!
ll right:
The girl is coming to BA this weekend.
Bids are accepted. I'll put 1.000 pesos as the minimum, for 3 days.
This is serious and I'm interested into tryout this particular experiment and see what happens.
Anyone who's interested into "looking first" it's all right as long as he pays a deposit. All cost of meeting (drinks, coffee, etc) should be paid by you.
IMPORTANT: Revealing this project to the model it's forbidden, and the inobservance of this delicated matter will be punished.
Can anyone say illegal?
Let me get this straight, this guy is trying to pimp unknowing normal women? This is not only wrong but very illegal as well.
If this woman finds out she is being unknowingly sold online for 1000 pesos, she could very well call the police on all the people involved.
I think the punishment will be possible legal problems in a foregin country if the woman finds out and calls the police.
IMPORTANT: Revealing this project to the model it's forbidden, and the inobservance of this delicated matter will be punished.
can anyone say illegal?Hi Monster:
It's not to worry about, and it's not about forcing a person to fuck. This is about supply and demand. What this girl needs it's a pair of brand new boobs, and she told me she is willing to do anything (see below for a definition of 'anything')
So, she is legally in her age of conscent, and she can choose if she wants to have sex or not. Illegal is rape, as well as RAP also should be:)
A fool I was when I denied the attached pics girl, and I acted as a stupid, with fear, keeping her needs in secret, and you see, she've got her new boobs from someone else and then she asked me to be removed from my list. I don't care that much, as there are more and more girls available. But some days I'm a blonde-oriented so I regret my stupidity that day when I told her that I wasn't aware of any other way to get her boobs.
Legally speaking, there is no issue for saying you're a producer, director, or whatever, AND in private! You could get in trouble for practicing a profession A REAL ONE (lawyer, doctor, engineer, dressing as a cop, etc) but that's another story. In the case of the girl, we just meet, have conversation and make a bid. Just as you do in excedra. She is free to deny and she is free to accept, a pure transaction. Of course, you should be nice since, no one wants to get fucked by an idiot, which in my opinion the 'idiotic factor' will consist in a 50% or more of the influence on her desicion. For this reason, would be a good thing having an idiot as candidate so I can proof my theory, so idiots are welcome!
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What is illegal is that you are selling her on an internet sex site without her consent.
You stated 1000 pesos was the starting bid, what exactly are people bidding for? And if it is so legal why are you telling people it is forbidden to say anything about it?
By the sound of your broken english, I am assuming you are an Argentinian national, which makes all this even more shady.
All this is highly illegal and sounds extremely suspect.
What is illegal is that you are selling her on an internet sex site without her consent.
You stated 1000 pesos was the starting bid, what exactly are people bidding for? And if it is so legal why are you telling people it is forbidden to say anything about it?Do you have a Monster confusion regarding what is ILLEGAL and what is not?
Call me inmoral if you want. I have her authorization to find her a job, and represent her, and no one says a blow one it's not on the list:)
I have already a bid for ar$2.000 so any offer under this value will be rejected.
Finally, but not less important:
The idea of the game it's to make her to believe you are a producer / director or whatever, because that is exactly the core of this game. Without that, we can go to Madaho's and wait for a working girl to smile us.
You should probably clarify what exactly it is you are selling for 2000 pesos.
2000 pesos to buy a normal looking girl drinks seems quite moronic. But I guess that is why you are looking for your other idiot.
If you are selling her for sex without her consent, that is illegal.
I am sure there are much better ways to spend 700 dollars in Argentina on women then buying a normal looking girl drinks.
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2000 pesos to buy a normal looking girl drinks seems quite moronic. But I guess that is why you are looking for your other idiot.So now I understand your concern wasn't for fear of doing something illegal, but for fear of spending money. All right, there are a lot of cheap apartments with girls for 50 pesos per 20 minutes, and stuff like that, and that's great! I hope you enjoy it and may be, researching a little this forum you can save up to 10 pesos also. However, the Live the Dream project it's not about that, take a time to read it and get the essence of this project. Please reffer to other threads to learn how to save money on cheap girls. I have written about that too.
If you are selling her for sex without her consent, that is illegal.Now I'm getting very close to think that you are not normal.
The goal of this game it's exactly that: The girl should conscent the trade, we make the girl, not only to have sex, but enjoy it. And this is the real Huge difference between working girls and these non-pro's. As the administrator announced this section: "For those who like to do it the hard way"
I am sure there are much better ways to spend 700 dollars in Argentina on women then buying a normal looking girl drinks.All right, seems that you really don't read the posts before writing yours. That nickname really fits on you.
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The following it's absolutely true:
Like one week ago, I announced Vic was interested into having new boobs while passing a bad-money time.
I've met her for the first time the past Friday, she had a casting in a big and important production company and she travelled 800 kilometers (500 miles) to BA, overnight to be at the casting at time.
I had two bids on her, one for 1.000 and another one for 2.000 so I've met the 2k guy a couple of days in advance.
He financed the 50% of her ticket to BA and I financed the other half. I sent her the money and finally she travelled.
So, we went for lunch together and she told me a lot of things I was not aware of: she was married, with a 10 months old child and the husband was jelous for her to come. However, she said, hangin out with someone it's all right, but fucking I'm not sure about. And I said: fuck and double fucks! I paid for your ticket, you've told me you were able to do ANYTHING for your new pair of fakes.
When I met her, she was hot, dressed in white, and constrasted with her tan skin, and a heavy baggage full of clothes, female stuff and hope. I guess the heavier thing was the hope.
However, I noticed guys turned to see her, everywhere we went. She is 20, just 20. Then I had to change a little the plans for that evening, in order to make things more complicated and add certain pressure on her, I call, and she listen my call to another model, and I tell her: look, she is blonde but she is 100% able, this is very common in the industry, however the production is looking for a brunette just as you are, but girl, you know, you should have something with this guy, because he is the one who takes the big desicions. Then I can perfectly feel she was under pressure, then we get to my place after the lunch to leave the luggage, we chat, I take an opportunity and I softly touch her tight skin, one of the best things she had to offer, and I, I had 100 biz to attend and a houndred calls to get, but I was at that time considering all of the possible variables a few hours after, at our meeting with the bid-guy, the other girl and she.
7:00 PM, the time of the meeting finally arrived, and find Vic and I at the place, in a very pleasant evening.
The blonde girl arrived with almost an hour of delay, she dressed slutty for the occasion and probably shocked our bid-guy who was expecting something perhaps, at least more classy, I noticed Vic was extremely nervous, and I calmed her, touching her by under the table, no one noticed that and she got excited. I clarify very clear with our winner, that the sex part would more than anything depends on him, since Vic did not wanted to expressely grant the intercourse, but hanging (dinner, club, etc) was 100% granted. So I was clear with my 'client' and he thinks about it, he also thinks that the blonde was a sure-shot and she 100% grants sex for the 2.000 pesos, and not only that, but any desire of our 'client' at any time that night which already begun.
As I have expressed before, this thing it's about a game and an experiment, Live the Dream is a pioneer project, for sure there is probably nothing new and many tried before than I, but this tryout combines more of every ingredient and the idea it's to find a real and unbreakable formula.
All right, the girls are there sat in front of us and seems, that there is no one else around them, talking each other about their castings and stuff. Probably a female-self-protection strategy. Both of them wants to win this race, and the final choice it's up to our 'client'.
He is a nice and quiet guy, and that evening I have added a plus to the proposal: He should choose between two different girls, and also he has the choice to make a different proposal, the game is open and he has the power of choice. I'm a simple traslator.
Finally he decides for a sure shot, dismiss both of them, pay for the drinks and transportation cost and get out of the game.
The blondie, and I agree, wasn't that attractive, compared to the brunette, for a 2k cost, and the brunette, was not able to sign for plain sex.
I leave with both girls, dismiss the blondie, I knew she could eventually become a burden, and we get back to my place, I do a couple of calls for finding her lodging, but, no rooms available:(
She was confused, she knew she lost a good opportunity for her denial of pre-arranging sex with the american producer. So we went for drinks and for fun in the city, a city she barely knew. We went later to barhain, she had a msn guy she was sending sms's the whole afternoon, and she tells the guy she will be there. So, we get there and we pass all the line and get inside directly. Once inside, she've got more relaxed, she danced like a star, and she got the attention of almost every guy in the club, good thing and bad thing also, since the msn guy showed up like an hour later. However, he did not caused trouble at all. The guy made his way back, and I was unable to find who the DJ was, but something incredible happened: a remix of a song I don't know who is said something like: "you wanna go to the city and the bright lights, get away from the sinners that surround you" Thank god the girl don't understand english, but seems like god was talking to her.
Well, she was lucky that night, and it's incredible that at 5:00 Am by the time we leaved she still have enery, after an overnight 800 kilometers ride, a rush day, a deception, drinks, party and we finished at my place, and she was ready to be fucked and then she told me her period was about to arrive (almost while fucking) I was behind of her ass, and she looks at me with those eyes, and very seriously she said: "no mercy". Fuck that really turned me and I respected her desire, incredible is the energy she had, and I think that essence it's possible to catch on the photos. I had to put a pillow into her mouth to shut down her screams. I was tired, but somehow she transferred part of that energy to me because I've really banged her, for a long time, perhaps 3 hours and I had a check in to do, so she waited, then we went to do a photo-shooting at the construction in san telmo. She looks tired, after-banged, but happy, LOL, I wanted to catch her **** essence on the pics. Then I've sent her back to home since she was getting pretty annoying. I gave her 200 pesos for her next ticket to BA, probably next week, or never, since you never know.
Conclusion:
For some cases, the pre-arrangement does not works, and to confirm my therory, girls will fuck anyway. The point is: who are they going to fuck with.
The experience with a non-pro may vary, but it's way more exciting the fact you really are not sure if you're going to bang her or not, and how. These kind of GFE are just not possible with the working girls you pull out from the clubs, even from Madaho, Balck, even paying USD 300 or more.
More than anything, the point it's also about entertainment, not pure sex, as sex it's the final goal, sex without the entertainment should worth less from my point of view. Least: once in the bus, she sent me a sms and she says: 'thanks for everything, I had a great time'
First, "MCSE" is the wrong handle for our friend. "Cuckold Maker" would be much more appropriate!
Second, there is no way that anybody who ever meets MCSE should EVER allow him to be introduced to their wife, girlfriend, or significant other. Unless you have a pervert streak that I don't have, heh heh heh.
Third, I am still convinced that a jealous boyfriend is, sooner or later, going to crush his skull with a brick. :D
Fourth, I think the title for this last post shouldn't be "Results" but instead "A Whoare Is Born."
After taking a look at those pictures I would say that NONE of those girls were worth either 1000 nor 2000 pesos (possibly only the 200 that mcse ended up paying after the client footed the actual bill) It also sounds like mcse used his clients to " finance " his fucking.
I agree, that if he lies to the wrong girl, she might easily tell her significant other and mcse will be drinking his meals through a straw for quite some time.
This is definitely walking a fine line. I wouldn't mess with it. There are many other (more honest) ways to meet " normal " girls.
Regards,
BM.
First, "MCSE" is the wrong handle for our friend. "Cuckold Maker" would be much more appropriate!
Second, there is no way that anybody who ever meets MCSE should EVER allow him to be introduced to their wife, girlfriend, or significant other. Unless you have a pervert streak that I don't have, heh heh heh.
Third, I am still convinced that a jealous boyfriend is, sooner or later, going to crush his skull with a brick.:D.
Fourth, I think the title for this last post shouldn't be "Results" but instead "A Whoare Is Born."
JackLuvsRack
02-04-08, 22:23
Honestly, I don't really see the point. I agree with Badman, those girls were def. Not worth it. I personally think the whole thing is kind of sleezy anyway. I'm not saying that we're all saints, but tricking someone so that someone can live out some producer director fantasy IMHO is stupid and, well, kind of depraved. MSCE, you could actually save money hiring some high class escorts, who probably would be much better looking, and have the sorry joe you're gonna live this fantasy with "live in a dream" that he's a producer and he's fucking real aspirants. He doesn't really have to know and probably doesn't even care, as long as he's having a good time and great sex.
Point is, there are other ways to do something like there where you don't have to run the risk of hurting yourself and others. As I said, none of us are saints, but at least the escorts we may be fucking know that we're there simply to fuck them and leave. They don't expect anything else of us, nor we of them. It's honest and no one gets hurt. Here you're simply using some naive girl by giving her false hope of having a modeling or whatever career and in an attempt to fuck her and then leave her.
I don't know, doesn't that sound a little going overboard? There are so many beautiful women in BA, both escorts and normal girls, why would you have to resort to such depraved activities?
TangoManiac
02-05-08, 03:42
I'm not gonnna comment on MCSE's choice of what he does or doesn't say.
But I will say to MCSE is to keep posting photos of these chicks! You don't have to agree with his philosophy but in sex prison it's nice looking at this women. Put some more in the private gallery!
Too much trouble for a couple of little whores than are a dime a dozen in Buenos Aires. Why go to all that work, I can make a phone call and have them in my apt. Within an hour for 150 peso that look the same or better. Who want to be friends with a gold digger like that.
I pay them to leave after I fuck them.
It is MCSE's fantasy that he is playing out. I see that stuff all the time here in Las Vegas. You don't need the lie to get the girl but the guy needs the girl to think she is fucking somebody important. I think it is too funny. Another movie producer LMAO.
Too much trouble for a couple of little whores than are a dime a dozen in Buenos Aires. Why go to all that work, I can make a phone call and have them in my apt. Within an hour for 150 peso that look the same or better. Who want to be friends with a gold digger like that.
I pay them to leave after I fuck them.You don't quite get the point that MCSE's kick comes not from the sex, but from the corruption and seduction of women, especially ones with husbands or boyfriends. If this were the only way he had sex, I would agree with you that it's too much trouble, but this is not so much about the sex, but instead about the hunt.
About the pics, I've took those and I'm not a professional photographer, and in addition, I was tired, there is no makeup artist, no hairdressing, no production, no lights, no photosoap:) The girl was really I mean REALLY tired after 8 hours in a bus, a day full of activity, stress, more stress after the meeting, then dancing, then drunk, and fucked in the ass for hours. What kind of pictures can we expect? Check out above on her studio pics.
You don't quite get the point that MCSE's kick comes not from the sex, but from the corruption and seduction of women, especially ones with husbands or boyfriends. If this were the only way he had sex, I would agree with you that it's too much trouble, but this is not so much about the sex, but instead about the hunt.Exactly!
However, I don't care if they have a commitment or not, simply it's because every good looking girl it's already enganged into a relationship, otherwise she will show up with her mother.
I see that most part of the critizism it's about the lies TO the girls, honestly I find these observations quite hypocrite, guys: I've hanged out to the clubs with many monger fellas during the last 8 years and I've never heared any of you tell what your real profession is to the working-club-girls. So, what's the difference? Why you lie to a working girl but you get scared of liying to a model / aspirant model?
I see that most part of the critizism it's about the lies TO the girls, honestly I find these observations quite hypocrite, guys: I've hanged out to the clubs with many monger fellas during the last 8 years and I've never heared any of you tell what your real profession is to the working-club-girls. So, what's the difference? Why you lie to a working girl but you get scared of liying to a model / aspirant model?The difference is that guys don't lie to the girls to mislead them, but to protect themselves from revealing critical info.
P4P may be boring sometimes and less exciting than "converting" a non-pro but, as it was explained before, it's honest. Money for service. Girls know what they get and what they have to give in turn.
I'm not sure if guys are "scared", that's a personal perception of yours rather than a fact. People have different principles, just that. Some of the forum members find your approach repulsive, others would like to follow your lead and still others don't have strong feelings about it.
Andres
Very well put Andres.
I wouldn't exactly call it an " approach " though, I see it as more of a SCAM. Both for the provincial girl being shipped to the city based on lies and the shmuck shelling out 2000 pesos for a 200 peso chick.
Regards,
BM
The difference is that guys don't lie to the girls to mislead them, but to protect themselves from revealing critical info.
P4P may be boring sometimes and less exciting than "converting" a non-pro but, as it was explained before, it's honest. Money for service. Girls know what they get and what they have to give in turn.
I'm not sure if guys are "scared", that's a personal perception of yours rather than a fact. People have different principles, just that. Some of the forum members find your approach repulsive, others would like to follow your lead and still others don't have strong feelings about it.
Andres
The difference is that guys don't lie to the girls to mislead them, but to protect themselves from revealing critical info.Dear Andres,
1st of all, I consider you my friend and this is not for argue, but for demonstrating I was right on my question:
Does not really matter why you lie, the fact is you do it. In both cases, you're liying to obtain a result which it to get laid.
Dear Andres:
1st of all, I consider you my friend and this is not for argue, but for demonstrating I was right on my question:
Does not really matters why you lie, the fact is you do it. In both cases, you're liying to obtain a result which it's to get laid.Yes, it matters a lot when and why you lie. The effect of a lie is what impacts the most, not the lie by itself.
A monger doesn't care really much if a chica's name is Pamela or Analía, but he will care very much if she changes her attitude, from being sweet and accomodative to the negotiated service (BBBJ, etc) to becoming a cold fish that makes the monger lose his time an money and not get the nice time he wanted.
Likewise, a chica won't care if the guy who is taking her out ends up being a doctor instead of a lawyer. What she cares is not to get a STD, to be well treated and to get the money that was promised.
Why not to be absolutely honest, including your name and personal data? Some girls will scam and blackmail mongers if they have the opportunity. Do a search on this board about Irina and Miss Sol and you will find some horror stories.
As I said before, it's a matter of principles. I don't like to play with other people's expectations and or to flake on promises I made. You may find that acceptable and even desirable to get your own objectives. To each its own.
Andres
I was unable to edit my other post, so here are the final pictures of the girl in the construction.
JackLuvsRack
02-09-08, 20:26
Ok, so she's cute, though not Argentina model material. Man, last time I was in the BA supermarket on Santa Fe and Callao I saw hot mamma's hotter than that. I wouldn't mind having sex with her (I wouldn't mind having sex with a lot of girls actually) but not worth playing this little fantasy game for. And there is a dfference. Lying about your profession to an escort is just part of the fun and fantasy, and she knows it. Do you really think when you're fucking them and calling you amor she really means it? When she fakes multiple organisms that it's real? Ok, for some of you, veterans especially, I'm sure they are not faking and that you do have mad skills, but for the average monger do you think she's doing more of an act?
This is different. You're making someone travel from vast distances promising a modeling gig, a change to advance their career and make some money, possibly make their dreams come true of getting out of the village for a better life. If you have absolutely no intention of doing this and just using them for a quick lay, that in my opinion is a bit pathetic and depraved. Seriously, just find some escort on platynum to fulfill your fantasy. Don't mess with someone else's life by promising what you know you are not going to deliver.
Jack
Certanly when you apply for a new job, selling herbalife or tupperware, they will tell you that it's going to change your life and you will become millionare in a few months, and if you buy this or that car women will find you more attractive, not to menction the presidential candidate who not only will change the lives of million of people but the entire world will become a paradise after he / she wins the election /
This Live the Dream it's an experiment, and I have not yet discovered a formula. But I'm working on it, and I'm sharing my partial results with you.
On the other hand, woman, are not angels, woman who get involved in this are really looking for fuck us, working little and getting immediate and powerful results, based not in their skills, nor in their effort but simply because they have an attractive vagina and they will deny it's use as much as possible. The idea of this project it's to crack their system. Avoid wasting time and precious resources and fuck them!
They are one step above the working girls, but the essence it's the same. And I would say that all women are the same, of course with the exception of our mothers.
I also thank to everyone who someway or another have cooperated with the experiment. Yes, it's pervert, depraved and disgusting.
Avoid wasting time and precious resources and fuck them!
They are one step above the working girls, but the essence it's the same. And I would say that all women are the same, of course with the exception of our mothers.
I also thank to everyone who someway or another have cooperated with the experiment. Yes, it's pervert, depraved and disgusting.That's the whole point - avoid wasting time and precious resources and fuck them - none of them are worth a thousand pesos. I can get fucked by a girl at least as good looking for a hundred pesos and I don't have to worry about her becoming a pain in the ass later on.
I can also fuck much better looking girls for free but they do have a habit of becoming a pain in the ass after - But at least I didn't pay anything to fuck them.
And my mother, my daughter and or wife are the same so it's ridiculous to say they are an exception!
That's the whole point - avoid wasting time and precious resources and fuck them - none of them are worth a thousand pesos. I can get fucked by a girl at least as good looking for a hundred pesos and I don't have to worry about her becoming a pain in the ass later on. First, it's not ok to compare working girls with non-working girls since it's a whole different story. This section it's about non-pro chicas.
Second, we did not said, 1.000 or 2.000 pesos PER HOUR, please re-read. It is NOT PER HOUR. You could probably go to a privado, get a girl who has been fucked by 5 guys before your arrival and pay 100 pesos for one hour or less on her noisy bed. No, no, no. It's 100% crazy to do a comparision like that.
Third, This is about a system, a project, an experiment, and it's not about a particular girl. Please re-read.
However, in case the bidder agreed and the girl also agreed, the result would be 2 or 3 days and 2.000 pesos which is some in between: 41,66 pesos per hour and 27,77 pesos per hour.
I can also fuck much better looking girls for free but they do have a habit of becoming a pain in the ass after - But at least I didn't pay anything to fuck them) The only ass in pain was hers.;)
Sounds like a modern day Marquis de Sade, sadism & sex without the cruelty, chains and whips, so far. You'll enjoy reading Justine.
How and when and where can I fuck this dumb *****?
Punter 127
02-11-08, 14:25
First, it's not ok to compare working girls with non-working girls since it's a whole different story. This section it's about non-pro chicas.They’re all working girls the only difference is the price! "Working girls" are normally much cheaper. Just MHO. :)
Rockin Bob
02-11-08, 18:25
There's nothing more expensive than gettin' it for free.
There's nothing more expensive than gettin' it for free.If you want happiness for an hour -- take a nap.
If you want happiness for a day -- go fishing.
If you want happiness for a month -- get married.
If you want happiness for a year -- inherit a forturne.
If you want happiness for a lifetime -- LIVE THE DREAM.
Sounds like live the scam.
This is very true. Especially when you are paying a huge surcharge in order to pay the girl and her "agent". There is simply NO reason to pay a normal girl and her "agent" 2000 pesos for sex.
If she was REALLY a "normal" girl you wouldn't be paying her period. And if you were to pay her, it sure as hell wouldn't be 2000 pesos (probably twice her current monthly salary) That is simply ridiculous.
If you want to "live the dream" and meet some normal girls (as if that is somehow living a dream) go out with some locals or some experienced ex pats, you will have a better more authentic time, you will meet actual normal girls. And you won't be getting charged for it.
Regards,
BM
There's nothing more expensive than gettin' it for free.
If she was REALLY a "normal" girl you wouldn't be paying her period. That's a very childish sentence, a prostitute is a woman who get banged several times a day, or, several times a week, in exchange of money. The objective of this project it's to fuck non working girls, paying or not, that would not mean they are already prostitutes.
I also want to clarify the comments of former BadBoy 13 are purely personal, and by the way, by the comments I have received from a girl, I don't see a reason why he changed his nickname unless he got a penis enlargement surgery.
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MCSE and BadMan,
You guys both made your point, so it stops now.
Thanks,
Jackson
Another photo shooting tryout: I think that with time hopefully I will improve my photographer skills, I also made other pics of her, but, what can I say, I just can't stay focused and I lose the focus:)
I offered her a portfolio and she gave me the opportunity to take her, wonderful morning while the phone was ringing intensely.
I have been thinking in the Live the Dream and I think I will do it for real 100%
If I can get my other projects finished within a couple of months I will develop a real TV show with real mongers who will be allowed to tell their real names, real professions and talk to the camera. I'm working in the project with a real producer who seems to be very interested into do doing this for the first time in history: Showing in public the most public secret: guys want to fuck girls and girls want fame and money. Everyone knows about it but has never being revealed in a TV show, we are in the 21st century now, so why not?
It took you a month to come up with that?
Face the facts, you are trying to make money by shipping provincial girls over to BA by lying to them and charging yolkals 2000 pesos, when they are worth no more than 200 and I am calling you out on that.
The fact that you are talking about my penis just means you're more of a homo than I thought little man.
Regards,
BM
I also want to clarify the comments of former BadBoy 13 are purely personal
That's a very childish sentence, and by the way, by the comments I have received from a girl, I don't see a reason why he changed his nickname unless he got a penis enlargement surgery.
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MCSE and BadMan,
You guys both made your point, so it stops now.
Thanks,
Jackson
If you want happiness for an hour -- take a nap.
If you want happiness for a day -- go fishing.
If you want happiness for a month -- get married.
If you want happiness for a year -- inherit a forturne.
If you want happiness for a lifetime -- LIVE THE DREAM.MAN that last one is my point exactly. Happiness to me is fucking a diffrent.
21 yr old bombshell everyday. That to me is total NIRVANA.
I told that to my girlfriend and she left me, she said she wanted the truth.
But she could not handle the truth. I wanted to get rid of her anyway.
Too high maintence.
My cleaning lady's daughter came over yesterday in substitution for her mother who had to take care of an aging elder. This girl brought a friend to help her. They were both 20. The "friend" was an incredible knockout and spoke english. She sounded like a Brit the way she spoke - very nice Queen's english. She asked me what I was doing in BA. I said I worked in TV (I do) and was taking a break down here. She asked if I was liking BA and I said yes. She asked me if I was married. Looking at the ceiling I said no:) She later chatted with me some more and offered me her telephone number when her friend was not in the same room (they were cleaning, looking at me and giggling earlier) I took it. They spent 4 hours at my place and when she was leaving I asked her to come back when she could. She came back couple of hours later and as I write this she is still here (in the shower) She works at EZE in the information booth which is why her English is so good. Anyway, I feel like a shit because this girl is awesome and gave me a reverse cowgirl I won't soon forget (she has a firm heart shaped ass that is a dream to watch do its stuff) but now I don't know if I need a girlfriend here sucking up my time. We had sex three times - I am finished and sore. I'm 51 - she is 20. Is this living the dream or getting in over my head. I can't even imagine.
If you want happiness for an hour -- take a nap.
If you want happiness for a day -- go fishing.
If you want happiness for a month -- get married.
If you want happiness for a year -- inherit a forturne.
If you want happiness for a lifetime -- LIVE THE DREAM.Love that proverb!
My cleaning lady's daughter came over yesterday in substitution for her mother who had to take care of an aging elder. This girl brought a friend to help her. They were both 20. The "friend" was an incredible knockout and spoke english. She sounded like a Brit the way she spoke - very nice Queen's english. She asked me what I was doing in BA. I said I worked in TV (I do) and was taking a break down here. She asked if I was liking BA and I said yes. She asked me if I was married. Looking at the ceiling I said no:) She later chatted with me some more and offered me her telephone number when her friend was not in the same room (they were cleaning, looking at me and giggling earlier) I took it. They spent 4 hours at my place and when she was leaving I asked her to come back when she could. She came back couple of hours later and as I write this she is still here (in the shower) She works at EZE in the information booth which is why her English is so good. Anyway, I feel like a shit because this girl is awesome and gave me a reverse cowgirl I won't soon forget (she has a firm heart shaped ass that is a dream to watch do its stuff) but now I don't know if I need a girlfriend here sucking up my time. We had sex three times - I am finished and sore. I'm 51 - she is 20. Is this living the dream or getting in over my head. I can't even imagine.Nice report. Don't fall in love, amigo. Fuck her until your dick goes numb, and leave it at that.
My cleaning lady's daughter came over yesterday in substitution for her mother who had to take care of an aging elder. This girl brought a friend to help her. They were both 20. The "friend" was an incredible knockout and spoke english. She sounded like a Brit the way she spoke - very nice Queen's english. She asked me what I was doing in BA. I said I worked in TV (I do) and was taking a break down here. She asked if I was liking BA and I said yes. She asked me if I was married. Looking at the ceiling I said no:) She later chatted with me some more and offered me her telephone number when her friend was not in the same room (they were cleaning, looking at me and giggling earlier) I took it. They spent 4 hours at my place and when she was leaving I asked her to come back when she could. She came back couple of hours later and as I write this she is still here (in the shower) She works at EZE in the information booth which is why her English is so good. Anyway, I feel like a shit because this girl is awesome and gave me a reverse cowgirl I won't soon forget (she has a firm heart shaped ass that is a dream to watch do its stuff) but now I don't know if I need a girlfriend here sucking up my time. We had sex three times - I am finished and sore. I'm 51 - she is 20. Is this living the dream or getting in over my head. I can't even imagine.Are you whining for having had a great experience? Can you think of anything better that could possibly occur in your life than bedding a 20 year old beauty? Well, maybe bedding two twenty year old women. Regardles, I think Frank Sinatra said it best when he wrote the following letter to George Michael because he was whining about how he doesn't have any privacy becaue of his fans:
""Come on George, loosen up. Swing, man, dust off those gossamer wings and fly to the moon of your choice. "The tragedy of fame is when no one shows up and you're singing to the cleaning lady.""
Imagine if this young beauty didn't show up. Her showing up are the moments we live for.
Suerte
Anyone been following the Spitzer story in the States?
For those who haven't, this is the recently ousted governor of New York.
He got caught paying $4300 USD an HOUR for the chick in the attached photo.
I'd say the two chicks posted in this thread are hotter.
I think you've got the wrong market tho. Who in BA even has $2000 pesos?
Get a visa scam going for US or the EU, then you're cooking with gas.
Here is Bel. She is 20, very good looking, thin and fresh.
She only had her cellphone photos and we met like a month ago.
As any newby biitch she was expecting to get to the top of the fame in 5 mins, however, I've told her what she needed first was to improve her composit.
We had some chat sessions on the messenger, and she told me things about her life, her goals, etc. She told me she needed some money. So I paid her book, makeup, studio rental, etc.
*As all of my apartments are fully rented I had to rent a studio for this one.
Well, nothing happened up to that time, and her boyfriend insisted to be present at the time of the photoshooting.
She started to do those grins of horny gal as you can appreciate on the attached pictures, and definetly she turned me.
After we finished, we stayed alone for no more than 5 mins, and I just was unable to resist and kissed her deeply. Took no more than 1 min for her pants (she still was wearing the lingery you see on the pics) to get so wet, the problem is she've got so nervous, almost extremely nervous, and she stayed closed in the bathroom a long time. To avoid any further inconvenience I've left the place as quickly as possible then after a few hours I've found her on the messenger.
For my surprise, she confessed she wanted to cheat on her boyfriend since the first time we've met, so the other day we meet again in downtown and without any preamble we've faced an hotel together. She gets wet so easy, and she moans so loud, If I had to rename her name I would name her 'transparency', she is so transparent on her actions, no need to say what she feels, you can read it directly on her eyes. For my taste she would need a little more gym, she confessed she is a chocolate addict (and a cock addict I would add to the sentence, lol) but she is very skinny.
She is also tender and sweet. The relationship works good as long as I keep paying her and buying cloth and stuff for her.
I read this whole thread! I can't believe it.
MCSE, your posts have been fascinating and it's been interesting to watch your ideas progress along the way (your photography skills too)
Continued good luck to you!
Joe Fernandez
04-28-08, 12:07
The girl in the photo I know her. And it is known, I am surprised you do not know who is. And these very wrong with what you're saying. You could have a legal problem. If you do not nullify or retracted with what you've said. Already there have been cases like yours in Argentina to people who use images of people known media tv, so to deceive customers.
Flexible Horn
04-28-08, 16:39
The girl in the photo I know her. And it is known, I am surprised you do not know who is. And these very wrong with what you're saying. You could have a legal problem. If you do not nullify or retracted with what you've said. Already there have been cases like yours in Argentina to people who use images of people known media tv, so to deceive customers.Hi Joe,
She is indeed a very nice looking chica but could you tell me her name so I can google her and see for myself the type of work she does.
If someone has been a naughty boy and telling tales. There could be trouble ahead.
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I just recieved the following from Ana Luna and she forward it on to me.
Can anyone make anything out of it.
EXon.
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Hola mi amor.
I recived this. Do you know?
I know the guy but I haven t a forum!
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I am writing you because I consider that it will be good to keep you posted about a journalist as well as legal investigation regarding prostitution and foreigners.
It is also good for you to know that linked to the above there is a forum user which is being investigated: Tota a. K. A. MCSE because this individual also owns a web page that offers escort girls services and another web page that offers models for Runway and publicity events.
The second situation will not generate any conflict only that this person utilizes, without any consent or authorization, the photos of the "Runway / Publicity" models to offer them through the "Escort" service webpage.
Linked to that in your forum, this individual is publishing photos of these girls, which don't have this profession for a living and making up fake stories abut them.
As there will be a big move regarding the matter which will involve all the pages in which this person has intervention this forum will also be on the spot, it will be good that you can do something to prevent this such as erasing his comments, canceling their membership, etc. Because otherwise all of us will be in a risky position.
TejanoLibre
04-28-08, 20:14
I don't think that the writer is a native English speaker due to his spelling, grammar or sentence structure.
Also, two of the posts are from new members as if they are working together on this horse-shit!
Looks like another typical Argentine rip-off scam!
Any ideas boys?
TL
Heres your bad guy.
Joe Fernandez.
Exon
I think that Joe should enlight us about the particular person he's trying to represent.
All I have wrote on this thread it's about an experiment and only the truth has been written. Because that was the idea. However, I'll keep the project going ahead, as menctioned, there is nothing illegal on it.
As these later posts can be confusing for some of the forum members I would like to clarify that the forum member Joe Fernandez requirement it's to remove the pictures of the girl http://www.argentinaprivate.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4347&page=4&pp=15 (the blondie one with the big $ sign on her back).
If Joe could read the post, that would be nice.
I never said I did those pictures, but she sent me several emails and we chat via messenger and she seemed interested in participating on the Live the Dream event, then she requested to be removed from my list, which I did at time. Perhaps one year ago?
I don't know and I don't care if the girl is a prostitute or not, but I never said she is a *****, nor a SW. Never!
I had to move all of the models that accepted to do artistic nudes, body painting, adult actresses to a brand new website, www.fucky.com.ar because the runway, fashion and glam models were unwilling to share the website with them.
However, I always keep the authorization records from each one, and of course they are free to request to be removed from any of the listings at any time.
As the members know, this forum limits the editions up to 24 hours, so I'm unable to remove the blondie girl with the big $ sign on her back from my post.
Like we didn't all see this one coming.
This dudes been full of shit, someone is finally just calling him on it.
Regards,
BM.
Greetings everyone,
I deleted the photos that were the subject of the controversy because I know who the chick is and I decided to do her a favor.
However, a more important issue for me was the positive identification of the Forum Traitor who advised this chica that her photos were on the forum, and in fact deliberately showed the photos to the chica.
The Forum Traitor is no less than our own beloved Ana Luna.
This begs the question: Should Ana Luna be banned from the forum like every other Forum Traitor in the past?
Thanks,
Jackson
See ya. Get her the f**k outa here. Easy call IMHO. Toymann
Is this the same Ana Luna that is the driver for so many members? I am sure she knows the policy. If so, send her packing!
Absolutely, Ana Luna has reaped the benefits of this forum, as such she should also abide by the rules and protect her customers best interests.
Greetings everyone,
I deleted the photos that were the subject of the controversy because I know who the chick is and I decided to do her a favor.
However, a more important issue for me was the positive identification of the Forum Traitor who advised this chica that her photos were on the forum, and in fact deliberately showed the photos to the chica.
The Forum Traitor is no less than our own beloved Ana Luna.
This begs the question: Should Ana Luna be banned from the forum like every other Forum Traitor in the past?
Thanks,
JacksonJackson,
Your absolutely dead wrong about Ana Luna. To start with, what motive could Ana possibly have to do it. Trust me when I say that Ana is only interested in raising her daugher and paying her bills with her Remis business, not causing trouble on your forum.
Your real culprit is this "Shill" Joe Fernandez who could be fronting for just about anyone. Someone has a "Hardon" for "MCSE" and is trying to "Undermine" him and his rental business on your forum. Quite possibly "BadMan" whom runs a simalar rental business "RentingBA" could have such a motive.
In the E-mail Ana informed me that she knew the author and he wasn't a member of the forum or at least that's how I translated her. Here is the exact e-mail below.
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"Hola mi amor.
I recived this. Do you know?
I know the guy but I haven t a forum!"
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So I subsequently wrote her back asking who this guy really is, and again here is the copies of the corrspondence. I've "Edited out certain names and address to protect privacy, read from the bottom up.
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Someboy called Joe.
I know "MCSE" but I'm not reading the forum.
Enviado a través de un dispositivo BlackBerry® de Personal.
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From: "Exon" <Exon@msn. Com>
Date: Mon, 28 Apr. 2008 12:49:48
To:<ana@ana-luna. Com>
Subject: Re: going home.
Ana,.
I know nothing about this person, who is he and whats his name.
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There you have it, "Someone called Joe"
So now were down to someone called "Joe" whom "Does Not" post on the forum. Well at least he used to "not post on" the forum, now he does.
Our new member, on the forum, the "Shill", is "Joe Fernandez" with only one post on a very controversial subject. He registered just to make that post, but the real question is whom is he "Shilling" for and what are the motives.
Which brings me back too "Someone is Trying to Undermine MCSE"s rental business" on the forum. Who & For What Reason? I can only guess a competitor!
Finally Jackson please just leave Ana Luna alone. She's harmless too you and your forum. But all you do is post negitive things when her name come's up. I can absolutely assure you that Ana has no hidden agenda. She's only interested in getting by in life which has become increasely harder in Argentina.
Exon
Jaimito Cartero
04-29-08, 14:44
I'm sure Jackson just wants validation, but yeah, if she did it, kick her ass out. It's a shame that someone who has been given free preferential access would betray us in this fashion.
Some guys will believe anything a chica tells them. They think they don't gossip, do underhanded things, or manipulate guys. Perhaps it's just ignorance on the guys part, or maybe they're really just stupid where it concerns women.
Jackson,
Your absolutely dead wrong about Ana Luna. To start with, what motive could Ana possibly have to do it. Trust me when I say that Ana is only interested in raising her daugher and paying her bills with her Remis business, not causing trouble on your forum.
ExonI am sure Jackson would not have posted that it was Ana Luna, without some strong evidence. Just because she says it was not her, does not mean anything. It really depends on how Jackson found out. If Jackson is sure of his source, then she should be banned.
As far as questioning Jackson's statement I will not comment, as he is a big boy and can respond for himself.
Please Ex. Get off of Bad's case. Bad has been argueably AP's most prolific poster as far as quality of chica reviews EVER! Furthermore, I have had many interactions with BAD and he just isn't that kind a guy. You may have a HARD-ON for him but thats your problem. BAD could care less about Ana'a remi business. Seems to me your last shill had a remi business too. You have added many great and enjoyable posts to this board over the years but its seems of late that you're just getting caried away. C'Mon Ex, you need to start keeping it real and get back to the Ex of old. Just my two cents. Happy mongering. Toymann (one of the cocksuckers. LOL)
The girl in the photo I know her. And it is known, I am surprised you do not know who is. And these very wrong with what you're saying. You could have a legal problem. If you do not nullify or retracted with what you've said. Already there have been cases like yours in Argentina to people who use images of people known media tv, so to deceive customers.I'm going to try and be objective, which I know most of you "XXXXXXXX" won't understand, but then again some of you might. Someone has a "Hidden Agenda" in all this nonsence and I truly think its about money.
The above message is Joe Fernandez first and only post to this point, thats a given. So why did he post it and whom is he "Shilling" fore.
First off there are only 4 people that rent apartmrnts on the forum.
1 Jackson.
2 Roxana.
3 MCSE.
4 BadMan.
MCSE has a rather "Tacky" way of marketing his apartments, (My opinion only) by raising the rent slightly and throwing in a Chica. The post from "Joe Fernandez plus the e-mail I got from Ana, (which by the way, I never should have posted, it started all of this) seams to imply that anyone renting from MCSE might be investaged as a "Sex Tourist". As most of us know prostitution is not illegal in Argentina, but "Pimping" is. Therefore MCSE might possibly be opperating on the very edge of the law.
Futhermore BadMan, formally BadBoy13, (Whom I never laid eyes on in my life) is also in the rental business and a competitor of MCSE. With his own website http://www.rentingba.com/
Whats not generally known is that BadMan and Jackson are business associates and you'll find Jacksons apartments listed on BadMans website,http://www.rentingba.com/apartments-for-rent/en/Apartments_for_rent.htm
Toymann, I'm in complete agreement with you that BadMan has been a great contributer, but remember he was once BadBoy13 and everyone had problems with him. Once he went into business he changed.
Now here is my allegation.
Anything anyone could do to undermine MCSE's apartment renting business, such as even the mention of being a sex tourist would naturally point business in the other direction.
Finally, there a million more effecient ways of making sure what was sent to Ana Luna, (Allegedly by Joe Fernandez) would be posted on the board. Why not just have Joe Fernandez post it, and why was it send to Ana, and now I have learned "Others"
Exon
Wow, I thought that there were enough CSI commercials on tv without having to wade through chat room drama. Who cares - would assume that they will get filtered out as unreliable information. As far as being labelled as sex tourist guess I have not been lucky / unlucky to be referenced to something like under 18stuff (maybe it 21 in Argentina and do not even know) that from this site so guess will take my chances.
Punter 127
04-29-08, 18:32
Greetings everyone,
I deleted the photos that were the subject of the controversy because I know who the chick is and I decided to do her a favor.
However, a more important issue for me was the positive identification of the Forum Traitor who advised this chica that her photos were on the forum, and in fact deliberately showed the photos to the chica.
The Forum Traitor is no less than our own beloved Ana Luna.
This begs the question: Should Ana Luna be banned from the forum like every other Forum Traitor in the past?
Thanks,
JacksonAna hasn’t had a post (that I can find) in almost a year, and anybody can read the forum without being a member. So what purpose would banning serve?
If memory serves me not everyone has been banned for this type of thing in the past. It seems to me the reason the “Private Photo Gallery” was created was to avoid this kind of problem, were these photos in the “Private Photo Gallery”?
Nope, no Ana Luna on the “Private Photo Gallery Access List”.
The first time I remember something like this happening was over some photos that I posted in 2004 of a girl named Maia and another girl who went on to be famous named Vicky, aka Cari, aka Romia Ryan, and who knows what other names. That incident and others eventually led to the creation of the “Private Photo Gallery”
As I remember the guy that exposed the photos of those chicas was an argentine member and a good friend of an argentine senior member who is a friend of Jackson’s (a friend of a friend kind of thing) and I don’t believe he was ever banned, I think I still have the emails Jackson sent me explaining that situation and explaining why he didn’t want to ban the guy. I understood and agreed with Jackson not banning this guy, and that we needed to find a way to protect our photos, hence the “Private Photo Gallery”.
The only times I remember anyone being banned over photos was when they exposed chicas to photos in the “Private Photo Gallery” I don ’t remember anyone being banned over photos posted in the open forum, they may have but I don ’t remember it.
When another member wanted some photos deleted they were instead moved to the “Private Photo Gallery”, I wonder why these photos were deleted and not moved.
Go ahead if you wish and ban Ana who hasn ’t had a post in a year, I’m sure it will be a devastating blow and she will aimlessly wonder the streets of Buenos Aires in shame with her head shaved and a big “B” tattooed on her forehead.
While your at it go ahead and ban Exon for bringing this subject to light, I’m sure he did it for some kind of financial gain, and ban anybody else that dares to disagree with the elitist on this forum, and soon all you will have is your little group of robotic henchmen posting their feckless reports.
Exon,
You're an idiot.
What the hell does MCSE pretending to know random girls and making up wild stories about them, when he in fact doesn't even know them, have anything to do with me or the apartment rental business?
I am not " joe fernandez," and after reading his grammar, I would say mcse or yourself fit the bill much better than I.
The dewd got caught making up wild stories about a model he never even met, knew or had a direct conversation with. He posted her pictures on his fake escort website and on the forum. She found out, threatened legal action, he deleted her profile and apologized like a biatch. End of story.
The only dream being lived out here is the one in this guys imagination.
None of this has to do with apartments or myself.
Regards,
BM
Hi Exon I readed the post on AP about the trouble with this girl.
flopy_gm@hotmail. Com says:
I want to tell you that in my opinion you are right.
flopy_gm@hotmail. Com says:
'cause the bad competitor is Badman.
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I just returned from lunch to find this IM from a girl I know in town.
It sorta speaks for its self, e-mail her and ask for yourself.
Exon
Flopy? As in MCSE's Flopy?
Quite the reliable source.
Ana hasn't had a post (that I can find) in almost a year, and anybody can read the forum without being a member. So what purpose would banning serve?
If memory serves me not everyone has been banned for this type of thing in the past. It seems to me the reason the "Private Photo Gallery" was created was to avoid this kind of problem, were these photos in the "Private Photo Gallery"?
Nope, no Ana Luna on the "Private Photo Gallery Access List".
The first time I remember something like this happening was over some photo that I posted in 2004 of a girl named Maia and another girl who went on to be famous named Vicky, aka Cari, aka Romia Ryan, and who knows what other names. That incident and others eventually led to the creation of the "Private Photo Gallery"
As I remember the guy that exposed the photos of those chicas was an argentine member and a good friend of an argentine senior member who is a friend of Jackson's (a friend of a friend kind of thing) and I don't believe he was ever banned, I think I still have the emails Jackson sent me explaining that situation and explaining why he didn't want to ban the guy. I understood and agreed with Jackson not banning this guy, and that we needed to find a way to protect our photos, hence the "Private Photo Gallery".
The only times I remember anyone being banned over photos was when they exposed chicas to photos in the "Private Photo Gallery" I don 't remember anyone being banned over photos posted in the open forum, they may have but I don 't remember it.
When another member wanted some photos deleted they were instead moved to the "Private Photo Gallery", I wonder why these photos were deleted and not moved.
Go ahead if you wish and ban Ana who hasn 't had a post in a year, I'm sure it will be a devastating blow and she will aimlessly wonder the streets of Buenos Aires in shame with her head shaved and a big "be" tattooed on her forehead.
While your at it go ahead and ban Exon for bringing this subject to light, I'm sure he did it for some kind of financial gain, and ban anybody else that dares to disagree with the elitist on this forum, and soon all you will have is your little group of robotic henchmen posting their feckless reports.Come on Punter, what I'm really looking for is a second "Strike"
http://www.indextar.com/ba/buenos-aires-transportation-taxis-and-remises-ana-luna-l505?cat=349
Notice we got "No" deinal that BadMan is BadBoy13
Exon
Jaimito Cartero
04-29-08, 20:46
I wonder why Jackson backed off of his long and eloquent post? If he was wrong, then he should admit it, otherwise it just seems like a big pussy move.
The BS level on AP is so high, it's no wonder that so many possible contributors are scared off. I shudder as I've read Exon instructing newbies on what to do in BA. I have not said a word, since it seems it's a lost cause.
I wonder why Jackson backed off of his long and eloquent post?Because sometimes I decide that it's not prudent to add fuel to a fire.
Thanks,
Jackson
Exon,
I thought that this post was the most illogical thing you've ever written.
381435
But you've outdone yourself with the post below.
383419
Let me see if I understand your contention: BadMan, Joe Fernandez and I conspired to draw attention to the fact that Ana Luna showed this forum to a chica in furtherance of our plan to drive MCSE out of the apartment rental business?
What's next? Perhaps you'll tell us that Halliburton attacked the World Trade Center so they could get the reconstruction contract?
ROTFLMAO!
Thanks,
Jackson
Jaimito Cartero
04-29-08, 21:11
Because sometimes I decide that it's not prudent to add fuel to a fire.So that would be answer, B, a pussy, then?
You are a smart guy, Jackson, but you allow so much BS to go on all the time, and only act when the building is totally engulfed in flames, and it's way too late. Get your balls back from whomever has them, and actually do something.
In addiction circles, I think you'd be labeled an enabler.
So that would be answer, be, a pussy, then?
You are a smart guy, Jackson, but you allow so much BS to go on all the time, and only act when the building is totally engulfed in flames, and it's way too late. Get your balls back from whomever has them, and actually do something.
In addiction circles, I think you'd be labeled an enabler.JC,
Your analogy is inaccurate. The building is not "totally engulfed in flames", but there is a roaring fire in the fireplace.
Besides, I've gotten to the point that I now enjoy reading Exon's idiotic theories.
Thanks,
Jackson
Jaimito Cartero
04-29-08, 21:40
Besides, I've gotten to the point that I now enjoy reading Exon's idiotic theories.Well then, if he had his own Nibu-like forum, I would think that he could rant at his hearts delight, and thus entertain everyone much more. That way you wouldn't have to search all the forums, and could take the spelling check software out, which would make everyone happy, except, perhaps, you.;)
And really, by removing your post, it only lends credence to his accusations about you. The building is already burning, right? <cough>
Exon,
I thought that this post was the most illogical thing you've ever written.
381435
But you've outdone yourself with the post below.
383419
Let me see if I understand your contention: BadMan, Joe Fernandez and I conspired to draw attention to the fact that Ana Luna showed this forum to a chica in furtherance of our plan to drive MCSE out of the apartment rental business?
What's next? Perhaps you'll tell us that Halliburton attacked the World Trade Center so they could get the reconstruction contract?
ROTFLMAO!
Thanks,
JacksonNo, No, No Jackson my friend.
First of all it was my mistake to have ever copied the e-mail and posted it in conjunction with Ana Luna's name. Ana seams to bring out the best and the worst of us, depending on who's side your on. At first read I truly though something serrious was going on that the board should know about and said so in my post.
But now I realize that there's a "Quid Pro Quo" between the Owner of website "RentBA" and Joe Fernandez whom ever he might be.
But one question, who's the Chica involved, the sameone Ana told me about? You see you won't let me see the private photo's since I don't take pictures.
Don't become an "Enabler" on us, we don't want any pussy's on the forum.
Exon
Rock Harders
04-29-08, 22:42
Mongers-
Why don't we just let the cat out of the bag regarding who Ana Luna really is and what services she really provides to the members of this forum. As some forum members know, Ana Luna is a former prostitute who by the good graces and manipulative tendencies of a former (and current) mansion inhabitant, was able to stop renting her pussy and was put in the position of remise driver to the mongers. The intense irony exists here in that, although a former prostitute, Ana Luna actually provides no prostitution services before, during, or after her rides to the airport; she merely tempts her customers with her sly charms and large silicone tits (paid for by unnamed american "boyfriend") into paying her excessive prices for unreliable transportation services. It is although her customers want to be tempted by and overpay a hot chica on arrival and before departure from Buenos Aires to remind them what they left and what they can expect when they return to That Country That Tortures Arabs in Cuba.
Suerte,
Rock Harders
MCSE has a rather "Tacky" way of marketing his apartments, (My opinion only) by raising the rent slightly and throwing in a Chica. The post from "Joe Fernandez plus the e-mail I got from Ana, (which by the way, I never should have posted, it started all of this) seams to imply that anyone renting from MCSE might be investaged as a "Sex Tourist". As most of us know prostitution is not illegal in Argentina, but "Pimping" is. Therefore MCSE might possibly be opperating on the very edge of the law.Exon: That's really innacurated:
If you read on my apartments rental thread you'll find what happened is:
1- I made some pics on my BAEZ apartment, the pictures were all right but far from amazing.
So, I thinked that making a photo production to send to a decoration magazine would be a great idea and that's what I did. With a professional photographer, professional model and professional production team.
You guys and especially yourself started to ask if the girl was included, and I said NO, she is a professional model, however, you gave me another great idea: including a girl on a separate package, why not?
So I launched a pack, and then tested different marketing strategies for only one reason: providing a Premier Service. And I did it!
I did not only included a girl, but other services such premier airport transfers (I did it with Ana Luna in the past, now I use a more reliable company) city tours, cellphones, gps locators, cleanning services, concierge services, concerts and futbol (soccer) tickets, and a lot of services more.
I tested my marketing strategies first on this forum, then applied it to the mainstream.
Of course I would not offer the "girl" in the mainstream, but the thing about the girls, it's not about pimping them, it's just about calling them and negotiating them. Same thing you and the expert mongers do.
I can negotiate a girl better than anyone in this town and I'm very proud of it.
While it's hard to negotiate a girl for another guy, I managed to do that in order to be capable to offer a pack that includes airport transfers, snacks, a super-clean apartment, cleanning services, wifi access, cellphones able to call right-away, champagne, details, A GIRL, city tours, and assistance for the price a non expert monger would pay for one hour with a touristy oriented girl. Man, isn it just FANTASTIC?
Do I pimp? No way.
What I do it's simply do what you mongers do when you are in BA, but, as I live here, I can do it faster and better.
And really, by removing your post, it only lends credence to his accusations about you.Hi JC,
I know you're trying to goad me into re-posting my earlier message, which I might do tomorrow depending upon how motivated I am to embarrass Exon, but in the mean time I can't help but be amused at the idea that you would attempt to bait me by threatening me with Exon's credibility.
ROTFLMAO!
Thanks,
Jackson
Jaimito Cartero
04-30-08, 06:58
I know you're trying to goad me into re-posting my earlier message, which I might do tomorrow depending upon how motivated I am to embarrass Exon, but in the mean time I can't help but be amused at the idea that you would attempt to bait me by threatening me with Exon's credibility.Well people who don't know Exon as well as we do might think there is something there. Everyone who wants to know what you said, already does. I could quote it in my own post, but why waste my time, if you're not willing to stand behind your words. Your continued deletions of posts (yours and others) editing of Exons posts where every word is spelled correctly and all the personal attacks are taken out, lends a lot of credence to something going on.
I'd freely admit, that I don't know what is going on with this MCSE stuff. I don't know who is really good or bad in the situation. There seems to be a lot of puff and fluff on MCSE's part, but it certainly doesn't influence me.
Mongers-
Why don't we just let the cat out of the bag regarding who Ana Luna really is and what services she really provides to the members of this forum. As some forum members know, Ana Luna is a former prostitute who by the good graces and manipulative tendencies of a former (and current) mansion inhabitant, was able to stop renting her pussy and was put in the position of remise driver to the mongers. The intense irony exists here in that, although a former prostitute, Ana Luna actually provides no prostitution services before, during, or after her rides to the airport; she merely tempts her customers with her sly charms and large silicone tits (paid for by unnamed american "boyfriend") into paying her excessive prices for unreliable transportation services. It is although her customers want to be tempted by and overpay a hot chica on arrival and before departure from Buenos Aires to remind them what they left and what they can expect when they return to That Country That Tortures Arabs in Cuba.
Suerte,
Rock HardersRock Hard, to set the record straight.
Your comments about Ana "Nicked" the traget but you certainly did not hit the "Bull's Eye". Since Ana is a personal friend of mine I'd like to set the record straight on her behalf. We wouldn't want any untrue rumors about Ana Luna floating around the Argentina Private Fourm now would we.
First the "Boob Job" was totaly Ana's idea with no out side influence by any boy friend or Monger, be it Americano or Porteno. I asked her why she did it, her answer was I did it for myself, my own self esteem, it made me feel good about myself. The price of the opperation was a whopping $4,500 peso's paid for completely by Ana herself. Since Ana did not have the money at the time she made payments to the plastic surgeon over a six month peroid of time. I know this to as fact, since I was with Ana when she stopped by the doctors office to make a payment on her "Boob's". In fact I met the guy personally.
Now this other rumor of Ana being a former or current prostitute.
This rumor may, or may not, hold some credance. I do know that shortly after the devaluation of the peso Ana was destitue. She and her husdand had split and Ana didn't have a penny to feed her daugher. She answered an Ad that lead to the Mansion and that again lead to her remis business. Just what the econmonic conditions of that relationship were remain unknown. But it would be fair to assume that money exchanged hands for some sorts of "goods & services". But in her defence, given her economic circumstances at the time. Pretty much anybody would have caved in.
Now do I think Ana's currently on the "Menu", ----- Well yes maybe I do. But certainly not for your everyday garden variety Monger. No I think if Ana really liked the Monger she'd "Put Out" for him, for say $5,000 peso's. In fact I've been coaching Ana over the past several years to keep her eye out for that "Rich American" too take care of her for the rest of her life. In fact I've even made an offer, but we're still in the negoications stage. And "No" I've never done her.
You see Rock Harders --- I Rent My Friends --- Jackson will verify that. You Fuck Up, you lose your lease.
Do I over pay Ana Luna, most certainly Yes. Normally I try and pay her tripple what her going rate is. And why do I do that, well because Ana Luna is a good person, she's not a "Punta" as they say. She's passed over all the good "Easy Money" she could make in a "Tello" hotel driving back and forth to the airport. Or stopping by some mongers apartment for an hour when she has the time. Nope Ana's out there working everyday, she maintains her independence, supports her daughter, does her best to pay her bills and put food on the table. All for pennuts, when she could be spreading her legs to any and all of us for some easy money and double or tripple her standard of living. ------- That I respect in Ana and thats why she's my friend ---
Exon
Well people who don't know Exon as well as we do might think there is something there. Everyone who wants to know what you said, already does.If everybody who wants to know what I said, already does, then there's no need for me to re-post it, is there?
I could quote it in my own post, but why waste my time, if you're not willing to stand behind your words.I am willing to stand behind my words, but I changed my mind about publishing them because of my reluctance to embarass Exon.
Your continued deletions of posts (yours and others) editing of Exons posts where every word is spelled correctly.Exon has never had a post "where every word is spelled correctly".
Greetings everyone,
I deleted MCSE's post because it contained so many inaccuracies that I simply could not let it remain visible. However, to address a few of MCSE's contentions:
1. BadMan did not steal MCSE's website, although there are some design similarities between the two websites, and similarities between their websites and thousands of other websites.
2. BadMan IS NOT the "Joe Fernandez" character.
3. BadMan does not have any other aliases on this website.
4. BadMan does not have any "girlfriends" in the traditional sense.
5. Several months ago, at his request, I changed BadMan's username as I have done for numerous other members on occasion. This was not an attempt to change identities as the change was reflected on all of his past reports.
Now to address some other issues:
6. I have no intention of banning Ana Luna. For one thing, at this point it's simply too much fun watching her supporters repeatedly kiss her ass.
7. BadMan, MCSE, and Rock Harders all pay for advertising on this website. Ana Luna, on the other hand, has never paid a penny to support this website.
8. There is no conspiracy between any of us (BadMan, MCSE, and Rock Harders) to drive any of the others out of business.
Thanks,
Jackson
Punter 127
04-30-08, 15:51
Greetings everyone,
I deleted MCSE's post because it contained so many inaccuracies that I simply could not let it remain visible. However, to address a few of MCSE's contentions:
1. BadMan did not steal MCSE's website, although there are some design similarities between the two websites, and similarities between their websites and thousands of other websites.
2. BadMan IS NOT the "Joe Fernandez" character.
3. BadMan does not have any other aliases on this website.
4. BadMan does not have any "girlfriends" in the traditional sense.
5. Several months ago, at his request, I changed BadMan's username as I have done for numerous other members on occasion. This was not an attempt to change identities as the change was reflected on all of his past reports.
Now to address some other issues:
6. I have no intention of banning Ana Luna. For one thing, at this point it's simply too much fun watching her supporters repeatedly kiss her ass.
7. BadMan, MCSE, and Rock Harders all pay for advertising on this website. Ana Luna, on the other hand, has never paid a penny to support this website.
8. There is no conspiracy between any of us (BadMan, MCSE, and Rock Harders) to drive any of the others out of business.
Thanks,
JacksonThanks Jackson, I don’t agree with all your points but it’s at least a voice of reason. I do have one burning question that I assume we don’t have a confirmed answer for ….Who is “Joe Fernandez” ?
No finger pointing please.
Sidney. What ever you are smoking I wish you would share. LOL.
Thanx Jackson. WHAT A SHOCKER! Bad and you are not co-conspirators! Go figure. I was getting ready to leave your apartment today early as I can just not be a participant in such lusivious activities. LOL!
Ex. Your comments appear quite sincere and sincerity should always be respected. You are and ever will be a fine fisherman (albiet you have missed the boat on argentina's greats fish on a flyrod. "el tigre". Maybe on my next trip I will cure you of this problem. You worthless motherfucker cocksucker. Did I get that right?
Finally. "hapless airline worker loose their jobs because of AP"
IMLOGLMAO. Please Sidney. Keep it coming Baby. LOL. LOL
Sidney. What ever you are smoking I wish you would share. LOL.
Thanx Jackson. WHAT A SHOCKER! Bad and you are not co-conspirators! Go figure. I was getting ready to leave your apartment today early as I can just not be a participant in such lusivious activities. LOL!
Ex. Your comments appear quite sincere and sincerity should always be respected. You are and ever will be a fine fisherman (albiet you have missed the boat on argentina's greats fish on a flyrod. "el tigre". Maybe on my next trip I will cure you of this problem. You worthless motherfucker cocksucker. Did I get that right?
Finally. "hapless airline worker loose their jobs because of AP"
IMLOGLMAO. Please Sidney. Keep it coming Baby. LOL. LOLThanks Toymann,
And your absulotely right, I am a worthless piece of shit MotherFucking CockSucker and it takes one to know one thats why I address a considerable amount of our members in that light.
And thats why "I Rent My Friends"
I'll fish with you but not on the Fucking river, lets go to the mountains.
Finally I think Sidney has hit a "Grand Slam Home Run" below.
Exon
Thanks Jackson, I don't agree with all your points but it's at least a voice reason. I do have one burning question that I assume we don't have a confirmed answer for.Who is “Joe Fernandez” ?
No finger pointing please.Punter,
I've had a communication from South American this morning.
The e-mail Ana recieved was mailed to several other people, not just Ana alone. Quite possibly "Joe Fernandez" is a Chica by the name of [Personal name deleted by Admin], the very Chica in question.
Exon
Can anyone say psycho?
Regards,
BM.
BAD. All I can say is IMLOGLMAO. KMLITA (kicking my legs in the air) LOL.
Ex. You have just got to chill out on this river thing! The area I fish is south of GOYA in the Ibean Swamp. This is not anything like a swamp back home. Imagine a HUGE mass of water (200 miles long and in spots 30 miles wide) filled with amazing chanels and lots of floating plant life. The water is clear and extremly clean. The corrientes river flows through this swamp but you would in no way recognize it's chanel because it has thousands of chanels. Without question it is the most amazing collection of H2O I have ever experineced. You need to imagine a huge lake filled with funky chanels defined by the floating plantlife, NOT a river as you have ever experienced. You travel through the maze of plantlife looking for an area that displays some current because that is where "el tigre" hangs out. To imagine the fight of the dorado is very simple. Just duct tape 5 12 pound silver salmon or 20 5 pound rainbow trout together and you have one 8 pound dorado. El Tigre behaves like a bone fish except it is airborne about the same time it is in the water once it feels the bite of your fly. GET THE VISUAL! You can wet or dry fly fish the creature and I'm betting after only one trip you will be cured of the skinny silver fish for ever. I live in an area in the USA that is pretty much similiar to patagonia. I'm over the skinny silver fish as once you encounter "el tigre". Its over. Lets go fishing.
Happy Mongering. Toymann
Punter,
I've had a communication from South American this morning.
The e-mail Ana recieved was mailed to several other people, not just Ana alone. Quite possibly "Joe Fernandez" is a Chica by the name of [Personal name deleted by Admin], the very Chica in question.
ExonI deleted the chica's personal name that was posted by Exon.
I hope that is okay with Jaimito Cartero, as he has been critical with me lately regarding my editing.
Exon, you should be chastised for publishing someone's personal name on this forum. Frankly, you know that's not proper forum etiquette. How would you like someone to publish your real name?
Thanks,
Jackson
Greetings everyone,
6. I have no intention of banning Ana Luna. For one thing, at this point it's simply too much fun watching her supporters repeatedly kiss her ass.
JacksonI read Jackson's original post, explaining why it was Ann Luna that told the girl. His logic was good, assuming the facts where accurate. I guess none of you guys posting, read it since no one is answering any of Jackson's arguments. One of the things he said, was that the girl in the pic, was the same girl Anna Luna was pimping, and Exon123 was promoting on this site. http://www.argentinaprivate.com/forum/showpost.php?p=382420&postcount=101 Since no one is talking about that, I guess non of you have read his post.
This stuff is getting old, fast. Jackson already said he is not banning her. This can go on and on, with different theories. But since he is not banning her, and he may not repost his argument, this has no more point.
I deleted the chica's personal name that was posted by Exon.
I hope that is okay with Jaimito Cartero, as he has been critical with me lately regarding my editing.
Exon, you should be chastised for publishing someone's personal name on this forum. Frankly, you know that's not proper forum etiquette. How would you like someone to publish your real name?
Thanks,
JacksonWhy I'd call them dirty CockSuckers & MotherFucker Jackson.
Tessan was kind enough to post this below http://www.argentinaprivate.com/forum/showpost.php?p=382420&postcount=101
Thats what I knew and when I knew it. If this is the same girl thats in question I don't know. I've never met her nor do I know her name.
But simple deductive reasoning would tell you that there was a very, very high probabilty that Ana told the girl about the forum even brfore the pictures were posted. She reads & speaks English so quite possibility she saw her own pictures posted and reacted accordingly.
I do Not Know.
Exon
Punter 127
05-01-08, 00:06
Exon, you should be chastised for publishing someone's personal name on this forum. Frankly, you know that's not proper forum etiquette. How would you like someone to publish your real name?
Thanks,
JacksonDoes this mean I can’t tell everybody Exons real name is W. C. Fields? :confused:
Jaimito Cartero
05-02-08, 03:46
[blue]Exon has never had a post "where every word is spelled correctly".Sure he has. Very short posts. Even in this thread! Punctuation and capitalization I won't spot you, though.:)
All of his caustic, snide, hyper-critical, know-it-all comments and character assassinations would be assembled together. The Forum would be like a Bible of Monger information, especially for newbies, and the more experienced mongers whenever additional astute information is necessary. Sub-Forums could include--Character Assassinations of People He Doesn't Like, Chica and Relationship Advice, Chica Negotiation Rules, Low Price Privados, BBBJ Sex, Restaurants, Eating, Dry Cleaners and Launderies, Airline Deals and Prices, How Find + Buy Severe Airline Pricing Errors (benefiting personally and possibly getting hapless airline employees fired) Correct Spelling, Etc.Sidney,
You left out a couple Sub-Forums including, going "Bare Back", Knocking Chica's Up, and Paying for Abortions.
Exon
Jaimito Cartero
05-03-08, 04:07
You left out a couple Sub-Forums including, going "Bare Back", Knocking Chica's Up, and Paying for Abortions.Oh gosh, you've uncovered my secret! Please don't tell anyone.
Shall we have a bit of a rundown of your memorable feats?
You do realize that in addition to the ones you post so freely, that most of the people who are your friends in BA, talk about how stupid you are, once you're out of sight. I'm sure they do the same of me. I have certainly done some idiotic things in my life, but in general try to learn from most of my mistakes.
You spout nonsense about what a gentleman you are, quoting some idiot from the Colombia board, and then won't give the poor chicas $3000p in the white envelope like you're supposed to.
You constantly let chicas work you over, plus you coach them how to get money out of dumb gringos up to the point of scamming them. Anyone who takes one of your glowing chica reports seriously is in for a big letdown. I've read your advice to new guys here, and can only shudder with all the misinformation you've spouted.
You constantly call the other members of this board cocksuckers, refuse to post anything that substantially helps the mongering community, and cause problems.
I'd guess that you're demonizing mongers, and making all chicas out to be angels. That's not the real world. I don't recall seeing any chicas forced into sex slavery in Argentina. You feel have you have to rescue them, and how bad it is for them to have to fuck for money. Life is hard, and almost everyone gets fucked. And life isn't fair, either. Many chicas work to support their kids, some just to have a better lifestyle, and some for drugs. Just the same as people in most parts of the world.
I will put my positive contributions up, as a member of this board, against yours, any day.
This last trip, I took out a number of newbies whom I had never met, and showed them around. In one case, I had a chica who I had sessioned with try to charge 2x the normal rate for a European guy. I wouldn't let it happen, as the guys that I meet are brothers to me, and not people to be ripped off. I've been lucky enough to meet some really knowledgeable guys in my years who have shared places with me, and I try to keep the tradition going.
Just for the record I have had issues with Ex from time to time. But this personal attack is just TO MUCH! Posts like yours serves no purpose what so ever. If you're that pissed at Ex then go out and have a beer next time he's in town and work it out or keep your bullshit to yourself. It's posts like yours that stopped me from posting the last two years. If you think that posts like yours help this forumn, you are sadly misstaken!
Give it a rest PLEASE!
For the record Dude. I sessioned this week with an Ex recommendation (Alejandra / Betina) She was exellent just as represented by Ex. Suggest you take all this anger and go choke your chicken. It should help (LOL)
Ex's post's the majority of the time are quite entertaining and the only mistakes he makes are being a bit over the top when his humour turns personal. That said the previous post may be the most antagonistic I have ever read in the forumn.
Why are you so antagonistic? If memory serves me right I haven't seen any chica reviews from you in recent memory. Check out my posts this past week and hopefully you can refocus your attentions to reviewing chicas.
Just my two cents IMHO. Happy Mongering. Toymann
Jaimito Cartero
05-03-08, 06:05
You're kidding me, right? Exon brings up bullshit, and I'm the one making the personal attack? Uh, hello, McFly?
If memory serves me right I haven't seen any chica reviews from you in recent memory.I've reported on Nailea, Rania, Augustina, Jessica, Mara, Noelia, Rocio, and Clarissa in the last 6 weeks. I even posted real pictures of a couple of these chicas, not the usual website photoshop crap. Time to get that Alzheimer's checkup.
Remind me of the in depth reports that Exon has made in the same time on chicas he's been with? Shit, when Jackson practically begged him to share something a year or so ago on Flyfishing, Exon just gave him the finger, and told him that he wouldn't share info with all the cocksuckers here. Even after he was forced to do something, he put something half assed up.
This is all par for the course.
But this personal attack is just TO MUCH! Posts like yours serves no purpose what so ever. If you're that pissed at Ex then go out and have a beer next time he's in town and work it out or keep your bullshit to yourself. It's posts like yours that stopped me from posting the last two years. If you think that posts like yours help this forumn, you are sadly misstaken!
Give it a rest PLEASE!
I'm also calling bullshit on your claim that you haven't posted in two years because of this this stuff. First of all, you didn't post anything until 9/06, which is barely over a year and a half ago. Last year, you posted 37 posts (more than half of all your posts, ever), so gosh, that's not stopping posting, either. If you want to defend your buddy, that's fine, but don't make up lame excuses. Especially, since I've been bringing that exact subject up for years.
But First an admission for Toymann about Fly Fishing.
Why I'm not so interested in fishing on the river delta is my real passion is the beautiful country side you'll find in the mountains of Argentina, just breath taking, gorgeous, the fishing is secondary, hell you through "em" back anyway.
Now that said, I've heard a Dorado, El Tigre is one Hell of a Fish and someday I'll have to try them. Especially on a fly rod, thats got to be some contest.
OK moving right along now, lets get to this "Abortion Topic" that Jaimito has admitted too below.
Why, Because Real Mongers Want Too Know?
And yes, the subject of impregnating your prostitute, then paying for her abortion holds much more credence for the readers of this forum than fly fishing, hopefully all of us would agree to that.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but in all the years I've been posting here, even before Jackson aquired the rights to the forum, I don't ever recall the subject of Abortion being brought up. Mongering is dangerious business and fucking bare back is even more so. If you drill enough chica's and theres no protection your gona impregnate one.
So Jaimito, setting a side all your snide and demeaming comments for just a mommet. I mean really, if anyone cares if I can't spell or I'm a CockSucker or MotherFucker or I don't "Suck Jackson's Dick", or I over pay, I mean really who the fuck cares and whom ever does has problems.
Now would you please expound on your experience on this subject. I mean all of us would be very interested.
I for one would like to know.
1. Where did you meet her, privado, club, the street?
2. How many times had you done her before you "Knocked her up"?
3. How much did you pay her?
4. Did you pay her extra for "bare Back"?
5. How did you find out that she was pregnant, e-mail, phone call?
6. How much did the Abortion cost?
7. Was it hard to find a doctor.
All the details please.
Thanks.
Exon
Your previous post below annoyes me somewhat:
I'm also calling bullshit on your claim that you haven't posted in two years because of this this stuff. First of all, you didn't post anything until 9/06, which is barely over a year and a half ago. Last year, you posted 37 posts (more than half of all your posts, ever) so gosh, that's not stopping posting, either. If you want to defend your buddy, that's fine, but don't make up lame excuses. Especially, since I've been bringing that exact subject up for years.
If you had paid any attention to my posts you would had observed that my chica posts have been absent for some time prior to this vist. Also, without knowing how many times I have been in BA since I first started posting, how do you know how many posts I could have made! If I tell you that I have stopped posting as a result of antagonsitc posts such as yours up until recently then I suggest you listen. UNDERSTAND!
If you had taken the time to look at my posting patterns initially it would have been clear, even to the simple minded, that when I come to BA I see numerous chicas and report my experiences for the benifit of board members. JUST LIKE THIS WEEK!
I also have no history of antagonistic posts unless my patience is tested by annoying posts such as yours. So I call BULLSHIT on YOU! LOL!
The only reason I began posting valuable chica reports this week is that after staying in Jackson's apartment and having the pleasure of getting to know him better I felt that I should get back to helping fellow board members. I have no intention of getting into some protracted dialoug with you as it would be like trying to put out a fire with kerosine. The purpose of my post was to send a message that this kind of "BULLSHIT" just degrades the forumn and potentially dircourages new members from posting valuable chica reports. I have had my say and now will return to the chicas. Feel free to just disregard anything I have to say.
As for Exon. I know that sex prison is difficult but please stop engaging RETARDS like Jamito. It serves no purpose and just enables the behavior. You are and ever will be a fine fisherman (A River Runs Through It)
Happy Mongering All. A very tired and somewhat beligerant Toymann
The chica JC knocked up, a good friend of mine, is dead now (she died of cancer in November of 2006) so maybe the whole subject could die out as well, out of respect to the poor woman. Anyway that was four years ago. As for how he found out, I told him and he did the right thing and got it taken care of. She found the doctor (or whoever it was) on her own, which probably wasn't too hard since she had just had another abortion less than a year earlier (slow learner).
And anyone who is fucking hookers bareback should have a vasectomy, which would avoid all of this, although it still won't prevent a bad case of "Moby Dick."
Gentlemen, Gentlemen.
Abortion information Please.
Exon
Gentlemen, Gentlemen.
Abortion information Please.
ExonI've done a chica bareback, but did not come inside. She said she was on the pill, but I still pulled out. I told her abortions are illegal in Argentina. She told me She knows a doctor who does it. He does it outside of BA in the countryside.
Since it's Illegal in Argentina, No names should be posted, since the doctor can get in serious trouble. The girl you knock-up will get the info from other working girls, they know who takes care of it. It's a hazard of there line of work. Condom break, or leak etc.
I do not know the name of the doctor she was talking about, she did not tell me. If I knew it, I would not post it. If it happen, the girl will get you the info.
Abortions are illegal in Argentina. Driving without a seatbelt is illegal in Argentina (or BA province anyway) It is illegal to play cards in a bar in Buenos Aires city. It is illegal to smoke in Catto's. Does any of this matter? "Echa la ley" is the operative phrase. But this thread has gone quite far afield, so might as well tell some jokes.
Q: What is the difference between an abortion and a bowling ball?
A: You can't eat a bowling ball.
AllIWantIsLove
05-04-08, 18:41
Toymann,
The Betina you mention below, is this the one.
http://www.platynum.com.ar/Entretenimiento/Escorts/Betina/Betina1.htm?
Thanks, Bob.
Just for the record I have had issues with Ex from time to time. But this personal attack is just TO MUCH! Posts like yours serves no purpose what so ever. If you're that pissed at Ex then go out and have a beer next time he's in town and work it out or keep your bullshit to yourself. It's posts like yours that stopped me from posting the last two years. If you think that posts like yours help this forumn, you are sadly misstaken!
Give it a rest PLEASE!
For the record Dude. I sessioned this week with an Ex recommendation (Alejandra / Betina) She was exellent just as represented by Ex. Suggest you take all this anger and go choke your chicken. It should help (LOL)
Ex's post's the majority of the time are quite entertaining and the only mistakes he makes are being a bit over the top when his humour turns personal. That said the previous post may be the most antagonistic I have ever read in the forumn.
Why are you so antagonistic? If memory serves me right I haven't seen any chica reviews from you in recent memory. Check out my posts this past week and hopefully you can refocus your attentions to reviewing chicas.
Just my two cents IMHO. Happy Mongering. Toymann
Nope.
Escortbaires girl 91
Happy Mongering. Toymann
Alejhandra,
Is very good value at $200 peso's and has her own "Fuck Pad" on Juncal if I remember correctly. I think the address is 2251 piso 1 C.
At any rate she doesn't live their, just Fucks.
She speaks a little English, but your better off if you speak a few words of Spanish. I don't speak much but did not have any trouble commuicating with her.
Warning for you horny CockSuckers that like little young girls. Alejhandra is a grown woman, I'd say in her mid 30's. That said theres no substute for experience, she knows what she's doing and is an expert at it. I've done her several times and its gotten better everytime.
Exon
I have to admit the guilty pleasure of having read through the last several pages of this interesting thread.
Sadly, the venom has petered out over the past few days, it appears.
Can I call somebody a worthless motherfucker, just to get the hate going again? I regret that I missed out on this little war. Too busy making money, I'm afraid.
Hi Hunt 99
Yes, I enjoyed this conversation as much or more than anything thats been posted in quite sometime.
Jaimito Cartero can dish it out but he can't take it.
The action ended with DickHead verifying the allagations and we haven't heard a "Peepe" out of Jaimito since.
Knowing your a big fan of Jaimito Cartero I wished that you were here to help since I remember you and he locked horn's a couple time before.
Exon
Good One Sidney.
ExonNot true Sidney I gave you credit on 4-30-08 after you suggested his own forum.
Exon
Live the dream is back and I'm doing a reality show. If anyone wants to participate, just watch the linked video http://barts.com.ar/barts/a/
Live the dream is back and I'm doing a reality show. If anyone wants to participate, just watch the linked video http://barts.com.ar/barts/a/Where can I find her and how can I fuck her.
Where can I find her and how can I fuck her.I have an interesting video with Jess but I'm kinda reluctant to publish it.
Tatshea Travel
02-14-09, 00:46
I like this girls MCSE.
Just send you a PM.
Ok, so I'm doing it again, Saturday March 28th, 2009, Jockey Club de San Isidro there is a Night polo tournament and I'll be there with 4 stunning models.
Only 7 chicas will be at the event, she is very nice and good looking, most of all she is sexy. Something very special.
She is another one favorite on Live the dream, more pics can be requested via PM.
The master of ceremonies for the side-show formerly known as BARTS. I lost track of him after he allegedly stold about us$200 from some poor guy on the board and his "high end" apartment rental business was having problems because of lack of operations.
Maybe he merged in with the the other ultra high end operator--now he has learned to claim that the 4 pesos broken wine glass is really a priceless antique valued at US$100 and bill both the owner and renter for the same 4 peso glass. This type of finesse is greatly superior to out right theft. In fact it is almostly saintly if you can sell it!
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I just looked: the website is up and running and they have generally raised their prices. Anothe apartment rental agency has decided not to market to us--a cheap group of scum bags. I can almost feel the LOVE!
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