Mpexy
01-17-08, 17:52
Other than short trips back to the states or abroad in Europe, Australia, etc. I've spent most of the past 2 years residing in Argentina. So to mark the 2 year point which just passed in December, here's a few randomly ordered observations and perspective of living and visiting Argentina.
A. Living, and even owning property in Argentina, is completely irrelevant to having a DNI. I've functioned just fine without one in every aspect of residing in Argentina, and at this point probably won't go through with getting one unless some new reason to get one comes up later. Taking the 1hr fast ferry to Colonia every 3months or so to renew my Visa isn't much of a hardship.
B. The golden rule of paying the chica after, not before the actual act, is for the new guy and veteran alike a pretty good rule.
-Paying first does NOT mean you will be ripped off though. Anyone that says so as some kind of holy writ or mantra is just being an obstinate "veteran" trying to ridicule the new guy who prefers or has no problem doing that. I've paid first plenty of times and had a fine time. Off the top of my head, at least 75% , a lot more actually but don't want to do the exact math, of the times I've paid in advance it went ok.
-However, and this is where the truth of this rule comes in, of those times that I had a crazy, a bad service chica, chica that promised X hours but was putting on clothes in 30min, etc - basically any experience in the last two years I'd classify as a "bad" one, well - of all of those, at least 90% was when I paid in advance.
-So, paying in advance does not mean you will be ripped off or not get good service. But it does roughly mean that of the times you have a bad time, you most likely did pay in advance. So if you're in town for just a week and want to maximize your chances of avoiding a "bad" session, you can exclude some good sessions you'd likely have with chicas who won't go with you unless you agree to pay in advance, but take the safest route of passing them up and only go with the chicas that are ok with being paid after.
C. Every report in this entire site that has a general consensus (good or bad) about some boliche, club, etc. is just plain wrong. My perspective after 2 years is it is about YOU, the individual - how you act, how much you are willing to pay, the intangible instant "impression" formed between two people meeting for the first time - that governs your session with the chica.
-For example, the general consensus report right this moment on Hippopotamus is it is a ripoff, bad experiences, etc. However, for my part, I've never had a bad experience in there yet. Every girl I've taken out has stayed toda la noche, I paid what I personally thought was an equitable amount, and so I've been happy with the place.
-At other generally well reported places, for example La Lopez, while I've also had very good sessions from there, I've also had a few crazy chicas and what most reasonable people would conclude a "bad" experience through no fault of my own. I still like the place of course, it's just what I figure is the odds of chance.
D. Any girl you meet, street, normal bar, chica bar, club, whatever - if she tells you when asked she's been working there or overall more than 6 months, I'd just take a pass on unless you do want (and sometimes I do) a purely "professional" experience. Semi-gfe, nice, no rip offs and everything negotiated for (or left unsaid but it's what you would want) but with that touch of a pro going through the routine.
-Even if you're in town for only a few days to a week, seriously, if you read this board you can't go one day without finding a place with a number of girls that just got into, or very recently into the business.
E. Price police comments still make me laugh and avoid mostly posting experiences. Personally, I still find the prices rediculously low here. And by that I mean by even Argentine standards, not USA prices. If you find it overly expensive paying for a chica drink and taking her back home that costs in total less than or roughly equal to a nice meal in a nice restaurant here, all I can do even after two years is still be surprised and just shrug.
-The ones that then even take it further to lecture about how you don't know the value of your own money, or quote pithy quotes about any fool can spend money, etc - I'd suggest embracing the truest pithy quote of them all - time is the most prescious commodity, and your time the most.
-So only you can figure out what your time is worth.
F. I still hate the false or misleading advertising just about every place with a tax free sign does. Only purely Argentine goods are technically eligible for the refund of your import taxes paid. People have posted that they have gotten goods past the examiners that were foreign made, but that is the exception, not the rule. For the most part, I've had every item stopped other than the rare exception unless it was provable to be purely Argentine. Pure Argentine is also up for the faceless bureaucrat to decide. I once bought and paid locally for a new pair of glasses where every item - lens, polish, manufacture, etc was done here in a local lab with local parts - all except the frames in which I put the new lens into, and had the entire thing turned down for the tax free reimbursement because according to the Argentine bureaucracy - even if 75% of the total cost was the local parts, the fact the frame had the branding of an Italian mark means it's "foreign".
G. Learn 100 to 200 words in Spanish, have a decent bank roll, and don't be an utter pig and anyone with any type of looks can find and date non-pro models and otherwise showgirl type chicas. The only qualifier is time - you need time to find and build a relationship over at least a few weeks. All the posts I've read here and there over the last few years with people wondering about "exclusive" or elite VIP clubs or secret books of top models that work on the side, etc. Well, I don't know if they exist and I really don't care. The point is you can get the same thing if you put the bull aside and actually spend time and money.
-Overall, the cost of flying a girl to Spain and spend a week there touring is minimal compared to the value received if you are not a total cheapskate. In the past two years, I've met and flown 4 non-working, model girls I met through shows, business aquaintances, etc, to Spain (mostly Spain because its the easiest nice place to get a Argentina chica to without visa problems) with a purely platonic setup - separate hotel rooms, no funny business, true gentleman the whole way. Zero sex, just companionship and a offer to tour a city in Spain where I'd get a nice companion speaking perfect spanish and she could see the sights and do some shopping. All 4 times, each girl when I got back with her to Argentina led the chase to initiate and start a sexual relationship with me, sans official cash payment but in the form of another pithy expression - every man pays, one way or another, for a relationship with a woman.
H. The mindset of the "bad" experiences chicas still boggles me. For example, it doesnt matter where or who her name is, the general example serves just as well - I met a girl some while ago on one of the few nights I go out to meet fresh girls or someone I don't have on my normal routine - e. G. It's pretty much standard it seems that those who live here have a "stable" of a few to many girls that they routinely see - exclusively or just in general - while every now and then they go out on the hunt again to see / find someone new to add to the list and bump off whoever is the girl on the bottom of their current stable.
-In any event, I went out to a club, met a new gal and while I'm not the type to explicitly negotiate every act or particular, I did and generally do make it known as part of the going out I prefer and want toda la noche, or at the very least establish roughly when she has to go home. Whether I want her to leave sometimes only an hour later or not is irrelevant - sometimes I do negotiate toda la noche but have her leave far earlier, but that of course is my option for pay for play. Leave when I want, not when she does.
-Chica X goes home with me and in general it went pretty ok through the first doing-of-the-deed. But then, it goes into the bad experience category as after 45min total spent at my place, she's saying she has to go and putting on clothes. So far, while bad this isnt the meat of this story. The part that I still find hard to find logic with is after she's dressed, and I'm just writing her off as someone I'd ever want to see again - she really tries to get me to accept her phone number and asking over and over when we can see each other again. She goes so far as to want me to call her number right there and then to prove that she gave me her real number, when my suspicion is she actually wanted to capture my caller ID so she'd have my number as I wanted to have nothing to do with that.
-Basically I told her as she was putting on her clothes and I was paying her, that ok we're done and I really never wanted to see or take her out again. And yes, I paid her the full amount I'd agreed to despite her breaking the deal because that is MY preference. So I'm quite glad this new flame free section exists because frankly my time to avoid any mess, yelling, etc and just write her off as someone never to see again is FAR more preferable than saving a few bucks by trying to cut part of her fee. Yes, I've done that before in the past, cutting the fee if she leaves early when I hadnt paid in advance yet - but I've found that gets me more raised voices and effort in argument than I personally find it's worth. In fact, I personally earn more in each minute lost in that kind of grief than I'd be saving, so after maybe 6 months here in Bs As I just made it a routine that when I did get into a bad session, and thankfully overall that percentage has been low, I just pay her off and go separate ways.
-In any event, the chica logic that still boggles me after two years is here she is the one breaking the deal, completely knowing she's screwing me in totally the wrong way, and yet pleading for me to accept her number and call her again soon. She goes so far as to then say next time she will give me a discount of XXX, and if we stay regular we can stay at that price. I inform her that may work in Argentina - give bad service and then promise better service if you come back for more, but in the USA, the accepted customer service retention means is give good service for less the first time, then as demand peaks up, raise your prices. That's the bottom line perspective and moral for this part - in Argentina, so many times that seems to be the logic, not just with chicas but in EVERY aspect of society here - give bad service the first round, and encourage the customer to come back with the hope or promise of better service. While the complete opposite is the standard back in the states and many other western european countries. Quite odd.
I. During the time I was renting, I stayed mostly in one location, but I've rented in total 3 places over 2 years. So far, I've never had a problem with security deposits, or other aspects of renting. So 3 doesnt make a long track record, but my opinion of the rental market is it's mostly honest and the hype of bad press is mostly just that - hype or some specific individual with a grudge or more likely as I said about chica bars - its the individual that determines the experience, not the place. I recall some thread awhile back where someone had a grudge against the BARTS apartments - well, I've never rented from there and most likely won't in the future as I'm settled, but if I did, I highly suspect given my individual circumstances and manners, I'd be just fine.
J. Every sexual act unless with a purely exclusive partner long term with both of you checked completely beforehand and with no breach of monogamy with each other is a risk. There is no such thing as a "safe" sexual act, with or without condom or every other STD prevention device or procedure known to man. Every thread I've ever read and likely will read in the future here, from self described amateurs and so called medical experts alike, that down plays the risk or even states completely inaccurate information regarding the likelyhood or methods of transmission of some particular STD, is just a farce. Determine for yourself what acceptable risk tolerance you consider ok, consult an actual medical professional to discuss each specific scenario you want to do and if that includes a goat somewhere, fine. Just discuss and get certified information from real medical professionals what your risk factors are, how to decrease (there is no such thing as totally avoid short of complete abstention) those risks, and play on. Reading and debating with board warrior medicos is just nonsense.
K. I still can't stand the practice of many restaurants closing down weekdays between 3:30pm or so till 7:30-8:00pm. Sure there are still many tourist type places still open, but I can't get used to it.
L. The last and most important observation as regards how it's affected my personal situation - if you have any girl "back home" that you also semi pay for or otherwise in pure pay for play situation, if you can possibly afford it and still want to see her when back in your own home country - fly her here to Argentina for a week or couple weeks to entertain you while you show her around here.
-I did this with one regular I know and still see when back in California. Let me just say that while her service was great when I knew her before I did this, it went to outstanding and whatever level is above that if it could possibly be classified as that once she came out here and spent a few weeks seeing what her competition was, and what rates they charged. I think every good looking chica thinks no one else can do what she does for you till it's put in her face that in reality. There really is, there are lots of them, and literally the expression dime a dozen is true for the guy that can afford it.
A. Living, and even owning property in Argentina, is completely irrelevant to having a DNI. I've functioned just fine without one in every aspect of residing in Argentina, and at this point probably won't go through with getting one unless some new reason to get one comes up later. Taking the 1hr fast ferry to Colonia every 3months or so to renew my Visa isn't much of a hardship.
B. The golden rule of paying the chica after, not before the actual act, is for the new guy and veteran alike a pretty good rule.
-Paying first does NOT mean you will be ripped off though. Anyone that says so as some kind of holy writ or mantra is just being an obstinate "veteran" trying to ridicule the new guy who prefers or has no problem doing that. I've paid first plenty of times and had a fine time. Off the top of my head, at least 75% , a lot more actually but don't want to do the exact math, of the times I've paid in advance it went ok.
-However, and this is where the truth of this rule comes in, of those times that I had a crazy, a bad service chica, chica that promised X hours but was putting on clothes in 30min, etc - basically any experience in the last two years I'd classify as a "bad" one, well - of all of those, at least 90% was when I paid in advance.
-So, paying in advance does not mean you will be ripped off or not get good service. But it does roughly mean that of the times you have a bad time, you most likely did pay in advance. So if you're in town for just a week and want to maximize your chances of avoiding a "bad" session, you can exclude some good sessions you'd likely have with chicas who won't go with you unless you agree to pay in advance, but take the safest route of passing them up and only go with the chicas that are ok with being paid after.
C. Every report in this entire site that has a general consensus (good or bad) about some boliche, club, etc. is just plain wrong. My perspective after 2 years is it is about YOU, the individual - how you act, how much you are willing to pay, the intangible instant "impression" formed between two people meeting for the first time - that governs your session with the chica.
-For example, the general consensus report right this moment on Hippopotamus is it is a ripoff, bad experiences, etc. However, for my part, I've never had a bad experience in there yet. Every girl I've taken out has stayed toda la noche, I paid what I personally thought was an equitable amount, and so I've been happy with the place.
-At other generally well reported places, for example La Lopez, while I've also had very good sessions from there, I've also had a few crazy chicas and what most reasonable people would conclude a "bad" experience through no fault of my own. I still like the place of course, it's just what I figure is the odds of chance.
D. Any girl you meet, street, normal bar, chica bar, club, whatever - if she tells you when asked she's been working there or overall more than 6 months, I'd just take a pass on unless you do want (and sometimes I do) a purely "professional" experience. Semi-gfe, nice, no rip offs and everything negotiated for (or left unsaid but it's what you would want) but with that touch of a pro going through the routine.
-Even if you're in town for only a few days to a week, seriously, if you read this board you can't go one day without finding a place with a number of girls that just got into, or very recently into the business.
E. Price police comments still make me laugh and avoid mostly posting experiences. Personally, I still find the prices rediculously low here. And by that I mean by even Argentine standards, not USA prices. If you find it overly expensive paying for a chica drink and taking her back home that costs in total less than or roughly equal to a nice meal in a nice restaurant here, all I can do even after two years is still be surprised and just shrug.
-The ones that then even take it further to lecture about how you don't know the value of your own money, or quote pithy quotes about any fool can spend money, etc - I'd suggest embracing the truest pithy quote of them all - time is the most prescious commodity, and your time the most.
-So only you can figure out what your time is worth.
F. I still hate the false or misleading advertising just about every place with a tax free sign does. Only purely Argentine goods are technically eligible for the refund of your import taxes paid. People have posted that they have gotten goods past the examiners that were foreign made, but that is the exception, not the rule. For the most part, I've had every item stopped other than the rare exception unless it was provable to be purely Argentine. Pure Argentine is also up for the faceless bureaucrat to decide. I once bought and paid locally for a new pair of glasses where every item - lens, polish, manufacture, etc was done here in a local lab with local parts - all except the frames in which I put the new lens into, and had the entire thing turned down for the tax free reimbursement because according to the Argentine bureaucracy - even if 75% of the total cost was the local parts, the fact the frame had the branding of an Italian mark means it's "foreign".
G. Learn 100 to 200 words in Spanish, have a decent bank roll, and don't be an utter pig and anyone with any type of looks can find and date non-pro models and otherwise showgirl type chicas. The only qualifier is time - you need time to find and build a relationship over at least a few weeks. All the posts I've read here and there over the last few years with people wondering about "exclusive" or elite VIP clubs or secret books of top models that work on the side, etc. Well, I don't know if they exist and I really don't care. The point is you can get the same thing if you put the bull aside and actually spend time and money.
-Overall, the cost of flying a girl to Spain and spend a week there touring is minimal compared to the value received if you are not a total cheapskate. In the past two years, I've met and flown 4 non-working, model girls I met through shows, business aquaintances, etc, to Spain (mostly Spain because its the easiest nice place to get a Argentina chica to without visa problems) with a purely platonic setup - separate hotel rooms, no funny business, true gentleman the whole way. Zero sex, just companionship and a offer to tour a city in Spain where I'd get a nice companion speaking perfect spanish and she could see the sights and do some shopping. All 4 times, each girl when I got back with her to Argentina led the chase to initiate and start a sexual relationship with me, sans official cash payment but in the form of another pithy expression - every man pays, one way or another, for a relationship with a woman.
H. The mindset of the "bad" experiences chicas still boggles me. For example, it doesnt matter where or who her name is, the general example serves just as well - I met a girl some while ago on one of the few nights I go out to meet fresh girls or someone I don't have on my normal routine - e. G. It's pretty much standard it seems that those who live here have a "stable" of a few to many girls that they routinely see - exclusively or just in general - while every now and then they go out on the hunt again to see / find someone new to add to the list and bump off whoever is the girl on the bottom of their current stable.
-In any event, I went out to a club, met a new gal and while I'm not the type to explicitly negotiate every act or particular, I did and generally do make it known as part of the going out I prefer and want toda la noche, or at the very least establish roughly when she has to go home. Whether I want her to leave sometimes only an hour later or not is irrelevant - sometimes I do negotiate toda la noche but have her leave far earlier, but that of course is my option for pay for play. Leave when I want, not when she does.
-Chica X goes home with me and in general it went pretty ok through the first doing-of-the-deed. But then, it goes into the bad experience category as after 45min total spent at my place, she's saying she has to go and putting on clothes. So far, while bad this isnt the meat of this story. The part that I still find hard to find logic with is after she's dressed, and I'm just writing her off as someone I'd ever want to see again - she really tries to get me to accept her phone number and asking over and over when we can see each other again. She goes so far as to want me to call her number right there and then to prove that she gave me her real number, when my suspicion is she actually wanted to capture my caller ID so she'd have my number as I wanted to have nothing to do with that.
-Basically I told her as she was putting on her clothes and I was paying her, that ok we're done and I really never wanted to see or take her out again. And yes, I paid her the full amount I'd agreed to despite her breaking the deal because that is MY preference. So I'm quite glad this new flame free section exists because frankly my time to avoid any mess, yelling, etc and just write her off as someone never to see again is FAR more preferable than saving a few bucks by trying to cut part of her fee. Yes, I've done that before in the past, cutting the fee if she leaves early when I hadnt paid in advance yet - but I've found that gets me more raised voices and effort in argument than I personally find it's worth. In fact, I personally earn more in each minute lost in that kind of grief than I'd be saving, so after maybe 6 months here in Bs As I just made it a routine that when I did get into a bad session, and thankfully overall that percentage has been low, I just pay her off and go separate ways.
-In any event, the chica logic that still boggles me after two years is here she is the one breaking the deal, completely knowing she's screwing me in totally the wrong way, and yet pleading for me to accept her number and call her again soon. She goes so far as to then say next time she will give me a discount of XXX, and if we stay regular we can stay at that price. I inform her that may work in Argentina - give bad service and then promise better service if you come back for more, but in the USA, the accepted customer service retention means is give good service for less the first time, then as demand peaks up, raise your prices. That's the bottom line perspective and moral for this part - in Argentina, so many times that seems to be the logic, not just with chicas but in EVERY aspect of society here - give bad service the first round, and encourage the customer to come back with the hope or promise of better service. While the complete opposite is the standard back in the states and many other western european countries. Quite odd.
I. During the time I was renting, I stayed mostly in one location, but I've rented in total 3 places over 2 years. So far, I've never had a problem with security deposits, or other aspects of renting. So 3 doesnt make a long track record, but my opinion of the rental market is it's mostly honest and the hype of bad press is mostly just that - hype or some specific individual with a grudge or more likely as I said about chica bars - its the individual that determines the experience, not the place. I recall some thread awhile back where someone had a grudge against the BARTS apartments - well, I've never rented from there and most likely won't in the future as I'm settled, but if I did, I highly suspect given my individual circumstances and manners, I'd be just fine.
J. Every sexual act unless with a purely exclusive partner long term with both of you checked completely beforehand and with no breach of monogamy with each other is a risk. There is no such thing as a "safe" sexual act, with or without condom or every other STD prevention device or procedure known to man. Every thread I've ever read and likely will read in the future here, from self described amateurs and so called medical experts alike, that down plays the risk or even states completely inaccurate information regarding the likelyhood or methods of transmission of some particular STD, is just a farce. Determine for yourself what acceptable risk tolerance you consider ok, consult an actual medical professional to discuss each specific scenario you want to do and if that includes a goat somewhere, fine. Just discuss and get certified information from real medical professionals what your risk factors are, how to decrease (there is no such thing as totally avoid short of complete abstention) those risks, and play on. Reading and debating with board warrior medicos is just nonsense.
K. I still can't stand the practice of many restaurants closing down weekdays between 3:30pm or so till 7:30-8:00pm. Sure there are still many tourist type places still open, but I can't get used to it.
L. The last and most important observation as regards how it's affected my personal situation - if you have any girl "back home" that you also semi pay for or otherwise in pure pay for play situation, if you can possibly afford it and still want to see her when back in your own home country - fly her here to Argentina for a week or couple weeks to entertain you while you show her around here.
-I did this with one regular I know and still see when back in California. Let me just say that while her service was great when I knew her before I did this, it went to outstanding and whatever level is above that if it could possibly be classified as that once she came out here and spent a few weeks seeing what her competition was, and what rates they charged. I think every good looking chica thinks no one else can do what she does for you till it's put in her face that in reality. There really is, there are lots of them, and literally the expression dime a dozen is true for the guy that can afford it.