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Tell us what you would do if you were the President?With an electorate that has been brainwashed in government schools by over 100 years of progressive nonsense,
there is no way I or any other Objectivist would be elected to any office, much less President.
If at some point in time the ideas change, possibly in a 100 years, then we would have a government that would protect individual rights as a primary.
Until then we will continue to elect people such as Obama, Trump, Clinton and Sanders.
Now if I were suddenly to become President, how could I implement the necessary changes?
Look what happened with the Contract with America, which was mild compared with what needs to be done.
In the meantime I will continue to promote Obectivism in the schools, where it will do some good.
Don B.
WorldTravel69
03-31-16, 00:18
As an executive the Donald would have Fired you.
Your not Presidential.
With an electorate that has been brainwashed in government schools by over 100 years of progressive nonsense,
there is no way I or any other Objectivist would be elected to any office, much less President.
If at some point in time the ideas change, possibly in a 100 years, then we would have a government that would protect individual rights as a primary.
Until then we will continue to elect people such as Obama, Trump, Clinton and Sanders.
Now if I were suddenly to become President, how could I implement the necessary changes?
Look what happened with the Contract with America, which was mild compared with what needs to be done.
In the meantime I will continue to promote Obectivism in the schools, where it will do some good.
Don B.
WorldTravel69
03-31-16, 00:22
I wanted to make a poll, but I can not find the link to it, or did Jackson delete it?
The Poll is "How Many Of You Want Donald Trump Making All Your Life's Decisions for You As President?".
Member #4112
03-31-16, 10:40
I wanted to make a poll, but I can not find the link to it, or did Jackson delete it?
The Poll is "How Many Of You Want Donald Trump Making All Your Life's Decisions for You As President?".As apposed to Obama making them via executive orders?
Or perhaps you prefer Queen Hillary to do that for 4 more years?
No matter how bad Trump is could he really be worse that the last 16 years?
Perhaps it's time for a total outsider, if for no other reason than the political elite on both sides are scared of him.
Some of the same scare tactics now being used against Trump were used against FDR and Reagan, yet they become two of our most revered presidents.
As an executive the Donald would have Fired you.
Your not Presidential.As usual, I saw little point in responding to you.
Don B.
As apposed to Obama making them via executive orders?
Or perhaps you prefer Queen Hillary to do that for 4 more years?
No matter how bad Trump is could he really be worse that the last 16 years?
Perhaps it's time for a total outsider, if for no other reason than the political elite on both sides are scared of him.
Some of the same scare tactics now being used against Trump were used against FDR and Reagan, yet they become two of our most revered presidents.I don't want anyone making the decisions for me.
As I have said before, the only legitimate function of government is the protection of individual rights.
WT69 and his fascist cohorts are against this and , in fact do not even understand they are fascists (or maybe they do).
I am too busy to indulge in this dialog so further comments will be ignored.
BTW, Trump couldn't fire me as I would never work for him.
Don B.
Daddy Rulz
05-04-16, 20:54
It doesn't matter where you stand on Trump, this shit is funny and a great ad.
https://twitter.com/hashtag/CopaAmericaEnTyC?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
TejanoLibre
05-04-16, 23:37
Now that The Trumpster has managed to singlehandedly knockout 16 Professional Politicians with a shitload of experience you should just deal with it and start to wonder who his choice could be for a running mate.
Survey Says :
Condoleezza Rice.
National Security, foreign policy and a skirted wild card.
Winning Ticket!
TL.
It doesn't matter where you stand on Trump, this shit is funny and a great ad.
https://twitter.com/hashtag/CopaAmericaEnTyC?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5EtfwIt seems like who ever did that ad has a hard on for Argentina. I cant say I blame him.... But I think having Messi in that ad could boomerang on then!
Now that The Trumpster has managed to singlehandedly knockout 16 Professional Politicians with a shitload of experience you should just deal with it and start to wonder who his choice could be for a running mate.
Survey Says :
Condoleezza Rice.
National Security, foreign policy and a skirted wild card.
Winning Ticket!
TL.Deciding between Clinton and Trump is like trying to decide on poision or a gun to commit suicide.
Don B.
TejanoLibre
05-07-16, 13:09
Deciding between Clinton and Trump is like trying to decide on poision or a gun to commit suicide.
Don B.Better start thinking about a Trump-Sanders Ticket.
TL.
Big Boss Man
05-07-16, 15:14
Better start thinking about a Trump-Sanders Ticket.
TL.It seems to me that Trump and Sanders are talking right past each other.
Trump is going to put all the billionaires in charge of negotiating the trade deals or at least it is a regular part of his stump speech. If a Carl Icahn is at the table, nobody thinks he is going to take his cut. Meanwhile Bernie is arguing that the billionaires get too many breaks as it is (crony capitalism). What am I missing here?
My view is the opposite. Clinton needs to keep Sanders in the race because he is doing all the grassroots organizing like registering new voters. All the money that Sanders spends now will help Hilary in November not Trump. Nobody is rushing to register because of Hilary. Watch a Tad Devine interview and read between the lines.
Also remember that Clinton beat Obama in the California primary in 2008. Sanders will win a few more states but in total popular vote of Democratic voters, Clinton already has it cinched.
WorldTravel69
05-08-16, 11:35
I love it.
He said that he is not accepting any money from the billionaires, that he is using his own money.
Now that he is the only one left to fight Hillary, the way I hear it, is that he will need the billionaires money so he can get his money back.
Big Boss Man
05-08-16, 12:54
I love it.
He said that he is not accepting any money from the billionaires, that he is using his own money.
Now that he is the only one left to fight Hillary, the way I hear it, is that he will need the billionaires money so he can get his money back.He has only loaned money to his campaign.
I think that the Democrats would have rather faced Cruz. Trump is difficult to engage because it is not quite clear what his positions are. Hilary is a very weak campaigner. Plus she has been out in public life so long that even if you support her, you can find positions that she has taken with which you disagree.
WorldTravel69
05-13-16, 17:55
Paul Ryan and Donald Trump's meeting on Thursday was a lesson.
Donald Trump does not understand Article One of the Constitution. Paul Ryan had to explain it to him.
http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word
Clink on the one with Ryan, "Speaker Ryan gives Trump a civics lesson". It is funny and great.
Wild Walleye
05-18-16, 14:11
I don't know from whence the rest of you guys are watching this unfold, but I'm in a very blue part of a blue state and I can tell you two things, 1) lots people from all walks of life love Trump (seriously), including liberal bastions such as the semi-lib house wife to the Latam immigrants to the African American community, and 2) everybody hates Hillary, except for the died-in-the-wool, hardcore party loyalists. If it weren't for the super delegates, Hillary and bernie would be in a very tight match. As it stands, I expect Bernie to crush her in a few of the remaining contests which, should further embolden his supporters. The thing is that he hasn't really tried to fight her head on. He has passed on the emails issue, the failure as Secretary of State issue and the vast corruption/criminal enterprise of Clinton Inc. After all, he's just supposed to be in the race as a straw man so that she didn't run unopposed. So, think about this, Hillary is running against an avowed socialist straw man, taking 90% of the super delegates and she is barely winning. She's brought in millions of fewer votes than she had at this point in 2008.
Anyhow, I am not a Trump fanboy (but I will take him over Hillary), but I have been saying this, for months, barring some catastrophic change, Trump will win in an epic landslide against Hillary in the general election.
The biggest challenge that Trump would face would be Hillary/Bernie ticket, because it would keep the Bernie supporters from voting Trump or staying home. However, two far left candidates, in a country that has suffered mightily (on the personal, individual level with record real unemployment, etc) will not do well in the general. However, this latter point (i.e. a reconciliation between Hillary and Bernie) was always part of the deal. That is why (IMO) Bernie hasn't really tried to knock her out. When the time comes, he will fall in line with her, pledge his undying loyalty to her and he will be handsomely rewarded (at taxpayer expense, of course) for his obedience.
Anyhow, I am not a Trump fanboy (but I will take him over Hillary), but I have been saying this, for months, barring some catastrophic change, Trump will win in an epic landslide against Hillary in the general election.Especially after 2012.
Big Boss Man
05-29-16, 12:41
I was unfriended yesterday for this incident. One of my friends wrote "If Trump becomes President, we'll have the best looking First Family since......EVER...!!!!" I wrote "Kennedy and Jackie?" The guy unfriended me. I guess he felt it was not worthy of discussion.
I realize the definition of attractive changes over time. But Jackie was a trophy wife just like Melania. Jackie was 31 when Kennedy took office whereas Melania is 45.
Trump facially I would say is good looking but he has a funny walk. I don't find him all that graceful. He has had bad feet all his life which kept him from being drafted in the 1960s.
Kennedy was more virile than Trump at this stage in his life when he became President. More athletic certainly which was partly propaganda because he had a bad back. But if you were a kid in 1960s, you probably had read PT-109.
Kennedy had at least two known mistresses during his Presidency - Exner and Monroe.
http://edgardaily.com/en/life/2014/judith-campbell-exner-the-missing-link-between-jfk-and-the-mafia-8673
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqolSvoWNck
You can see the stiffness in Kennedy's back in the Monroe video.
Ah well, it is no big deal. We were just in the same high class class and did not know each well anyway. I think it is a little over sensitive though.
Trump ... has had bad feet all his life which kept him from being drafted in the 1960s.If you believe that, I have some oceanfront property in Iowa for sale.
Big Boss Man
05-29-16, 20:40
If you believe that, I have some oceanfront property in Iowa for sale.I was at a fairly well-known university during the Vietnam War. Bad-feet was a known way to get out of the draft and I knew one guy who used it to avoid being drafted. He is currently the president of a major environmental organization. I said to some of my friends, only half-joking, " Maybe the guys who used the foot scam are smarter than the rest of us. They know how to work the system. That's why they are all presidents now.".
At the same time, I was not volunteering to go to Vietnam either. I am from the first class that was subject to the draft lottery. I was fairly relieved to get a draft number 196. I immediately dropped out of school after receiving the number (over 100 was deemed to be safe) only to return a couple of years later.
The guys that I knew personally who received low numbers immediately enlisted in Air Force or Navy. Nobody that I know of who graduated from my high school in 1970 volunteered for the infantry.
We recently created a Vietnam Memorial at my high school which I contributed funds to build. The eight guys that died in Vietnam from my high school all graduated between 1965 and 1967. 1968 was McNamara's million I think? One of the guys who died was the student body president and another was Honor Society student. So not everyone dodged it in the 1960s.
The guy I know now who fought in the jungles says he does not really give a damn anymore. The one he remembers is Joe Namath who could play pro football but had bad knees so he could not get drafted.
California being a high tax state treats Vets fairly well. The son of a friend gets full ride at UC with a combination of state scholarships and the GI bill. He has had full medical care since he was discharged. He is about to graduate and there are a get a vet a job programs. LA County has a hire 100,000 vets program lead by the mayor of Los Angeles Garcetti who is also an officer in the Reserves. Several companies have recruiters who specialize in hiring vets.
If Trump has a good idea on how to make it better, maybe he should be more specific in his speeches. I think in California we would at least consider it. The stump speeches I have watched he just says, " We are going to take care of our Vets." In one debate I watched, maybe New Hampshire or South Carolina, I think he said there is a lot of waste and fraud in the current Vet programs. Maybe Trump can manage what we have better.
California is going to vote Clinton. If you live in Ohio, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Colorado, Florida and Virginia, I think you are deciding for the rest of us.
So do you think Trump avoided military service because he had bad feet, or because he is a rich cocksucker? I don't criticize anyone for doing whatever to get out of military service. They ended the draft when I was 17 but I sure as fuck would not have gone to Vietnam. I would have first sought CO status and then gone to Canada or to prison instead. Cocksuckers like Bush and Trump don't have to go through the CO process or expatriate themselves because their rich daddies take care of all that.
Where is Leon Czolgosz when we need him?
So do you think Trump avoided military service because he had bad feet, or because he is a rich cocksucker? I don't criticize anyone for doing whatever to get out of military service. They ended the draft when I was 17 but I sure as fuck would not have gone to Vietnam. I would have first sought CO status and then gone to Canada or to prison instead. Cocksuckers like Bush and Trump don't have to go through the CO process or expatriate themselves because their rich daddies take care of all that.
Where is Leon Czolgosz when we need him?Trump is not a cocksucker........he is a pussy licker and from what I have seen, quite nice ones at that.
He told Howard Stern that oral sex was unimportant.
Spirit Rider
05-30-16, 19:27
So do you think Trump avoided military service because he had bad feet, or because he is a rich cocksucker? I don't criticize anyone for doing whatever to get out of military service. They ended the draft when I was 17 but I sure as fuck would not have gone to Vietnam. I would have first sought CO status and then gone to Canada or to prison instead. Cocksuckers like Bush and Trump don't have to go through the CO process or expatriate themselves because their rich daddies take care of all that.
Where is Leon Czolgosz when we need him?On Memorial Day, we know all we need to know about you. Pussy, is not just that which you chase.
I had a lottery number in the two hundreds so I was never getting drafted. I tried to enlisted anyway. However, the Marine Corp first and then the Army rejected me, because of flat fleet. I wore special orthopedic shoes from Stride Rite growing up. Only the Navy would take me, but as you can see the joke was on me.
Personally, I don't like, Trump, but if he had flat fleet I have sympathy. Even though they let me in with flat feet, in the early 70's the stupid U.S. Navy thought you should march around Great Lakes boot camp carrying an '03 Springfield all day. At the end of every day, my arms felt like they wanted to fall off and my feet were in agony. The F'ing irony was that we never fired the damn rifle. They were obsolete and I don't think they had firing pins anyway. Also, I never marched another day after boot camp. I think they were both just for torture (character building) purposes.
I bet you wouldn't say that to Muhammad Ali :<).
Spirit Rider
05-30-16, 23:24
I bet you wouldn't say that to Muhammad Ali :<).Certainly not to his face. Actually, Ali had been a member of the Nation of Islam for sometime and I can not judge the sincerity of his conscientious objection on religious grounds.
I apologize if I misjudged the sincerity of your CO, but it was based on the tenor of your post and my contemporaneous experience 69-73. At the time the girls were mostly genuinely opposed to the Vietnam War on moral grounds, but the guys either thought being anti-war would get them laid and/or because they just didn't want to go to Vietnam.
I would be surprised if 1 in 100 really objected on true moral or religious grounds. I even knew a few from my high school that tucked their tail between their legs and ran for the CA border. I know for a fact they had no serious moral or religious objections, just afraid of going to Vietnam.
I might be a little touchy on the subject. I went to visit my father's and my brothers' graves today. My father was a WWII vet and my brothers were Vietnam vets. My father was a marine on Guadalcanal and Tarawa. My next older brother was in the air force and my oldest bother was a marine who did back to back Vietnam tours 67-69. He saw some of the most serious shit including Khe Sanh and was wounded three times. His battalion was nicknamed "The Waking Dead" for its casualty rate, long before it became synonymous with the TV series.
I believe that Clay/Ali's stated position was 'I got no quarrel with those people.' I don't believe in war, and if everyone refused to fight, there would be no wars. It's just that simple. I don't give a rat's ass if you think I'm sincere or not, and also fuck you for calling me a pussy. Vietnam was a particularly stupid war as they were absolutely no threat to us. Oh yeah, the domino theory of communism. Well, communism failed just fine on its own merits so all of the US efforts in Vietnam were 100% futile. The war divided the country. The war fucked up the economy for a decade. The war defoliated a perfectly good agricultural country, and I commend them for coming up with the idea to plant coffee. Vietnam is now the world's #2 producer of coffee, with over double the export volume in 2014 of #3 Colombia.
Conscription is not a harbinger of an advanced country. Imperialism is the new colonialism and is quite pernicious as well. A war to stop someone like Hitler is one thing and a war to help out French colonialists is quite another. Wie went into Vietnam and started bombing and killing without having any clear goals or purpose for doing so. A bunch of GIs fucked a bunch of Vietnamese in the process and left something like half a million half-caste children to be discriminated against. It wasn't a good chapter in our history, and even as a teenager I knew I would not be participating. I'm quite comfortable with that and very glad that I was not born two or three years earlier, because I didn't end up having to deal with it. I respect the choices that others made, although quite frankly I have at least as much respect for those who went to prison rather than Vietnam.
If we end up in BA at the same time, I'd be happy to buy you a beer, or happy to fight you one-on-one. Some people may view war as a test of courage, but I just view it as a sad waste.
TejanoLibre
05-31-16, 23:13
I bet you wouldn't say that to Muhammad Ali :<).Ali said that nobody in Vietnam ever called him a Nigger so he didn't have any problems with the Vietnamese.
Funny story , Ali tried to buy a house in one of my old my old neighborhoods when I was growing up and they would not allow it.
NO Blacks and No Jews Allowed.
Not even the Champion of the World.
Fortunately I was too young and innocent to notice the Old South and it's outdated views.
Now they even allow Mexicans!
TL.
Joking Like Usual.
Rc Collins
06-04-16, 02:52
Speaking of Ali, he has left the building forever!
http://abcnews.go.com/US/muhammad-ali-dies-greatest-boxer-dead-74/story?id=18391211
Speaking of Ali, he has left the building forever!
http://abcnews.go.com/US/muhammad-ali-dies-greatest-boxer-dead-74/story?id=18391211He really was The Greatest, there'll never be anyone else like him.
Is Trump the greatest gift from the GOP to the Democrats?
This is so much more heinous than anything Hillary's been accused of regarding e-mail. Borderline treason.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fbi-found-hundreds-of-classified-files-on-petraeus-biographer-broadwell%E2%80%99s-computer/ar-AAgO5C5?li=BBnbfcL
And then there's this asshole:
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/newscrisepolitica/minuteman-movement-founder-convicted-of-molesting-young-girl/ar-AAgOd7g?li=BBnbfcL
I'm just sayin'.
Wild Walleye
06-11-16, 20:38
This is so much more heinous than anything Hillary's been accused of regarding e-mail. Borderline treason.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fbi-found-hundreds-of-classified-files-on-petraeus-biographer-broadwell%E2%80%99s-computer/ar-AAgO5C5?li=BBnbfcL
And then there's this asshole:
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/newscrisepolitica/minuteman-movement-founder-convicted-of-molesting-young-girl/ar-AAgOd7g?li=BBnbfcL
I'm just sayin'.There is nothing borderline about Hillary's corruption and treason. Please get a grip.
We have far more to risk wiht a Hillary presidency than with a Trump prediency. So, vote Trump.*
* Definitely not my guy when tings got started. However, comnsidering where we are today? He's my guy.
Wild Walleye
06-11-16, 20:40
Is Trump the greatest gift from the GOP to the Democrats?You must not live in the US. America is more than a little tired of left wing policies that deflate the economy and keep tens of millions out of work.
I think Trump is the greatest presidential candidate ever. For the Democratic party, that is. When the Republicans lose control of the Senate, I'll like him even more.
Wild Walleye
06-11-16, 20:55
I think Trump is the greatest presidential candidate ever. For the Democratic party, that is. When the Republicans lose control of the Senate, I'll like him even more.Good for you. Please make sure to vote for Trump.
You must not live in the US. America is more than a little tired of left wing policies that deflate the economy and keep tens of millions out of work.There are hundreds of legal immigrants who arrive everyday who are sponsor through family relationships. And they go to work very quickly because they are willing to start.
At the bottom. Or they go to school & get the right training. And in a few years, they are more than ok. Even illegals do that. Pretty simple really, unless you like to blame.
China for jobs, and Colombia for drugs.
Big Boss Man
06-12-16, 13:55
You must not live in the US. America is more than a little tired of left wing policies that deflate the economy and keep tens of millions out of work.The economy is nearing is full employment. If you adjust for demographic changes, baby boomers leaving the labor force, the the economy is probably at full employment. On the other hand, income inequality is rampant. The same people who did the demographic adjustment on employment examined wages of the 26-35 year old age cohort in 2005 and 2015. The finding is that in 2015 this age cohort is making $6000 a year less than they were making in 2005. This age cohort voted for Bernie and not Trump.
The problem is what is Trump really for. Many of the policies Trump talks about in his stump speech are just metaphors. For example, McConnell has said he would block closing the border to Muslims. On the fence, I was at two economic conferences this past week, one in West LA (Democrat) and one in the Inland Empire (Republican). Both times the fence was mentioned it was a laugh line. I do not think there is much support for a fence in California. One guy actually stood up at the Inland Empire conference and said more people are migrating to Mexico now than are immigrating. "What are we going to do?" he asked. "Build a fence to keep them in.".
Obviously views in California are seldom reflective of the US as a whole.
For the last ten to twelve years I have come to BA at least twenty five times. The last twenty times I have rented apartments all in different areas of the city. I like San Telmo the best. On this trip like all others I leave my apartment and try to go a different direction and get lost. After walking for two to three hours I have no idea were I am. So here I am walking along and I stop at a cafe/pub for a refreshment and in the door comes a tranny. He talkers to the bartender for a few moments then leans over the counter and looking at his back side he has a zipper up the crack of his ass. It starts at his nut sack and goes all the way up his back side to his belt. OK so that was surprise enough but it had many stains on it. Yuck oh. I'm no prude but one must wonder how it feels to go home every night with a sore butt.
WorldTravel69
06-23-16, 11:34
Who is not creating jobs?
http://www.politicususa.com/2015/05/23/republicans-passed-0-jobs-bills-138-days-running-congress.html
http://kelly.house.gov/house-passed-jobs-bills-are-awaiting-action-senate
You must not live in the US. America is more than a little tired of left wing policies that deflate the economy and keep tens of millions out of work.
Columnist George Will has left the Republican Party over its presumptive nomination of Donald Trump.
He said Republican voters should just "make sure he (Trump) loses," then "Grit their teeth for four years.".
Even George Will, Mr. Conservative, cant stomach Trump.
You must not live in the US. America is more than a little tired of left wing policies that deflate the economy and keep tens of millions out of work.Most of us on AP are multi-millionaires who choose to live on our SS elsewhere. Jobs are for the illegals.
One of the most entertaining & exciting presidential elections in history, is there an unwritten code that we do not discuss it?
WorldTravel69
01-06-17, 03:04
Unemployment rate is the lowest since the Republicans were in office.
https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/economy/news/2017/01/05/295945/the-state-of-the-u-s-labor-market-pre-january-2017-jobs-release/
https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000
Member #4112
01-07-17, 22:39
How about including the real unemployment rate - U6 which is at 9.20.
I noticed you did not mention the labor participation rate - you really going to tell me all those folks "retired".
If employment is so great why are all the "social" programs such as welfare/medicaid/food stamp skyrocketing?
You guys just never give up, Obama was an abject failure who pulled his party down with him. 8 years ago the Dem's had it all - House/Senate/Potus and now they have nothing. Back then the "talking heads" were all trumpeting the death of conservatism, today they are concerned about the death of the Democratic Party.
WorldTravel69
01-08-17, 17:17
I agree. I have been saying through all administrations since I have been voting in the 60s.
Why can't they count the people that gave up looking for a job?
In California the unemployment lower than most States.
I walk the streets and see Help Wanted signs in restaurants, shops and stores, etc.
But, you are wrong on Obama. Jobs are way up since when he started, as is the Stock Market.
How about including the real unemployment rate - U6 which is at 9.20.
I noticed you did not mention the labor participation rate - you really going to tell me all those folks "retired".
If employment is so great why are all the "social" programs such as welfare/medicaid/food stamp skyrocketing?
You guys just never give up, Obama was an abject failure who pulled his party down with him. 8 years ago the Dem's had it all - House/Senate/Potus and now they have nothing. Back then the "talking heads" were all trumpeting the death of conservatism, today they are concerned about the death of the Democratic Party.
Wild Walleye
01-08-17, 21:23
How about including the real unemployment rate - U6 which is at 9.20.
I noticed you did not mention the labor participation rate - you really going to tell me all those folks "retired".
If employment is so great why are all the "social" programs such as welfare/medicaid/food stamp skyrocketing?
You guys just never give up, Obama was an abject failure who pulled his party down with him. 8 years ago the Dem's had it all - House/Senate/Potus and now they have nothing. Back then the "talking heads" were all trumpeting the death of conservatism, today they are concerned about the death of the Democratic Party.Yep. 18 million people left the ranks of the employed, over the last 8 years...and food stamps participation grew by about 20 million people...I guess I'd have to call BS on the govt's method for calculating unemployment.
There are hundreds of legal immigrants who arrive everyday who are sponsor through family relationships. And they go to work very quickly because they are willing to start.
At the bottom. Or they go to school & get the right training. And in a few years, they are more than ok. Even illegals do that. Pretty simple really, unless you like to blame.
China for jobs, and Colombia for drugs.Its easy to start at the bottom when your salary amounts to a very very nice tip on top of about $65,000/yr courtesy of government subsidies, and all of it absolutely tax free. Btw, even though we the people pay into those programs (at gunpoint, mind you), we get absolutely ZERO access to any of them and have ZERO say so in any of it.
For the last ten to twelve years I have come to BA at least twenty five times. The last twenty times I have rented apartments all in different areas of the city. I like San Telmo the best. On this trip like all others I leave my apartment and try to go a different direction and get lost. After walking for two to three hours I have no idea were I am. So here I am walking along and I stop at a cafe/pub for a refreshment and in the door comes a tranny. He talkers to the bartender for a few moments then leans over the counter and looking at his back side he has a zipper up the crack of his ass. It starts at his nut sack and goes all the way up his back side to his belt. OK so that was surprise enough but it had many stains on it. Yuck oh. I'm no prude but one must wonder how it feels to go home every night with a sore butt.Lol. As for your original question, maybe its a reflection of the times. The BAs that the forum started on may be dead and gone, but it has a new direction these days as a terrific place to maintain your dollar's purchasing power ESPECIALLY if your enthusiasm to earn those dollars is equally dead. Honestly, argentina is a terrible place to meet a girl, but its a great place to take a girl. So now all i have to do is meet girl, aaaand make up enough money to take her to argentina and ... You know what, lets just get drunk and talk politics instead! :P.
Member #4112
01-09-17, 15:29
Department of Defense Medal for Distinguished Public Service awarded to Obama by Obama presented by Ash Carter.
If this guy could act anymore like a third world, banana republic dictator I'm not sure how.
He awards himself the highest civilian metal from the Defense Department to add to his done nothing to deserve it but be the first black elected POTUS Nobel Peace Prize.
Keep it up big O, by the time you leave office you will have awarded yourself enough ribbons and medals to look like one of those banana republic pricks.
AllIWantIsLove
01-09-17, 19:14
Department of Defense Medal for Distinguished Public Service awarded to Obama by Obama presented by Ash Carter.
If this guy could act anymore like a third world, banana republic dictator I'm not sure how.
He awards himself the highest civilian metal from the Defense Department to add to his done nothing to deserve it but be the first black elected POTUS Nobel Peace Prize.
Keep it up big O, by the time you leave office you will have awarded yourself enough ribbons and medals to look like one of those banana republic pricks.George W. Bush and Bill Clinton both received it as well.
AllIWantIsLove
01-09-17, 19:28
Its easy to start at the bottom when your salary amounts to a very very nice tip on top of about $65,000/yr courtesy of government subsidies, and all of it absolutely tax free. Btw, even though we the people pay into those programs (at gunpoint, mind you), we get absolutely ZERO access to any of them and have ZERO say so in any of it.I am curious about the benefits that immigrants are eligible for. Do you have a reference for the $65,000 per year subsidy?
Thanks, Bob.
Member #4112
01-09-17, 20:44
George W. Bush and Bill Clinton both received it as well.Laura Bush received the award as did Bill Clinton - George did not.
After gutting the military for 8 years this SOB awards himself this award - come on get real.
I am sure he feels he is of the same stature as McAuthor/LeMay/Weyland/Clay.
Laura Bush received the award as did Bill Clinton - George did not.
After gutting the military for 8 years this SOB awards himself this award - come on get real.
I am sure he feels he is of the same stature as McAuthor/LeMay/Weyland/Clay.Obama did not give himself this award. He was awarded it, and the past two presidents George Bush and Bill Clinton received it too.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2017/01/05/obama-just-got-the-pentagons-medal-for-distinguished-public-service-its-more-common-than-critics-think/?utm_term=.aa19724ee9b8
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_of_Defense_Medal_for_Distinguished_Public_Service
Doppelganger continues to live up to his track record of misinformation if not lies. Nothing he posts in political threads is credible, IMO.
I am curious about the benefits that immigrants are eligible for. Do you have a reference for the $65,000 per year subsidy?
Thanks, Bob.Just for clarity, the $65k/yr is not all cash in pocket, its the aggregate value in total govt benefits rec'd.
http://cis.org/immigrant-welfare-use-2011 <-- the source is questionable, but it makes some good points.
http://www.fairus.org/DocServer/research-pub/TexasCostStudy_2014.pdf
http://amac.us/illegal-immigration-cost-1/
https://www.texmed.org/July14Journal/
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/how-undocumented-immigrants-sometimes-receive-medicaid-treatment/
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2011/04/most-illegal-immigrant-families-collect-welfare/
And in texas, citizenship is not req'd for welfare benefits, which can also include a direct cash salary. The welfare officers have no oversight, no budget, and no accountability.
Member #4112
01-10-17, 12:29
The list I pulled up only listed Laura not George.
WorldTravel69
01-10-17, 12:47
The money it costs to keep a person in jail is around $165,000 a year. And some people worry about $65,000 to people that want to work.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/24/nyregion/citys-annual-cost-per-inmate-is-nearly-168000-study-says.html
Its easy to start at the bottom when your salary amounts to a very very nice tip on top of about $65,000/yr courtesy of government subsidies, and all of it absolutely tax free. Btw, even though we the people pay into those programs (at gunpoint, mind you), we get absolutely ZERO access to any of them and have ZERO say so in any of it.
AllIWantIsLove
01-10-17, 14:38
Laura Bush received the award as did Bill Clinton - George did not.
After gutting the military for 8 years this SOB awards himself this award - come on get real.
I am sure he feels he is of the same stature as McAuthor/LeMay/Weyland/Clay.Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_of_Defense_Medal_for_Distinguished_Public_Service) says it was George W. And does not mention Laura.
AllIWantIsLove
01-10-17, 15:29
Just for clarity, the $65k/yr is not all cash in pocket, its the aggregate value in total govt benefits rec'd.
http://cis.org/immigrant-welfare-use-2011 <-- the source is questionable, but it makes some good points.
http://www.fairus.org/DocServer/research-pub/TexasCostStudy_2014.pdf
http://amac.us/illegal-immigration-cost-1/
https://www.texmed.org/July14Journal/
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/how-undocumented-immigrants-sometimes-receive-medicaid-treatment/
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2011/04/most-illegal-immigrant-families-collect-welfare/
And in texas, citizenship is not req'd for welfare benefits, which can also include a direct cash salary. The welfare officers have no oversight, no budget, and no accountability.Interesting Shawman. Thank you.
I'm sure you are aware of offsetting studies, one of which contains this paragraph:
"Altogether, according to the state and local tax data analysis—published by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP)—undocumented immigrants contribute about $11.6 billion to the economy annually, including nearly $7 billion in sales and excise taxes and $3.6 billion in property taxes. They are, in economic terms, productive citizens, and pay a higher effective tax rate than the top 1 percent income bracket. That alone is not the primary reason they should be embraced as neighbors and coworkers. But it dissolves the myth that immigrants do nothing but drain public coffers.".
(source: https://www.thenation.com/article/undocumented-immigrants-contribute-over-11-billion-to-our-economy-each-year/).
And many illegal immigrants pay federal income taxes (one reason being that they don't want to damage their chances should another amnesty program come along).
This is a contentious issue only because we are trying to have it both ways. We want low produce prices and inexpensive landscaping etc. But we say that we don't want the immigrant laborers who make such prices possible. It's similar to the outsourcing issue. We want to go to Walmart and buy cheap clothing etc. But we don't want jobs sent overseas.
See this article ( http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/05/us/farmers-strain-to-hire-american-workers-in-place-of-migrant-labor.html) for one farmer's experience trying to hire US citizens to do harvesting instead of importing labor from Mexico.
Thanks again for the references.
Bob.
Member #4112
01-10-17, 21:29
See attached. Laura Bush was a recipient.
http://www.gettyimages.com/event/pres-bush-remarks-at-military-parade-84177747#president-george-w-bush-reviews-us-troops-during-a-military-parade-picture-id84184209.
The money it costs to keep a person in jail is around $165,000 a year. And some people worry about $65,000 to people that want to work.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/24/nyregion/citys-annual-cost-per-inmate-is-nearly-168000-study-says.htmlOk fine, give me $65,000/yr for free in after tax cash out of your pocket, would you be okay with that? I would!
Member #4112
01-11-17, 12:01
Ok fine, give me $65,000/yr for free in after tax cash out of your pocket, would you be okay with that? I would!He doesn't mean he pays you he means all the "other people" pay. A Liberal/Progressive will give away YOUR last dollar.
As far as the prison population expense - so they really need air conditioning, counseling, color TV, not forced to work, et al?
Like the old wild west - "Horse thieves will be shot and survivors will be hung".
I just can't wait to hear this guys bit*h and moan when he takes office. Can you even imagine what you will hear when he wins reelection?
The money it costs to keep a person in jail is around $165,000 a year. And some people worry about $65,000 to people that want to work.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/24/nyregion/citys-annual-cost-per-inmate-is-nearly-168000-study-says.htmlThat article says $31,000 is the average cost over 40 states. $168k is just for NYC.
AllIWantIsLove
01-11-17, 15:51
See attached. Laura Bush was a recipient.
http://www.gettyimages.com/event/pres-bush-remarks-at-military-parade-84177747#president-george-w-bush-reviews-us-troops-during-a-military-parade-picture-id84184209.Your link is to photographs which I'd guess was not your intention.
It turns out (as I just learned in the past 2 minutes) that there are two awards, the DoD Medal for Distinguished Public Service and the Secretary of Defense Medal for Outstanding Public Service. The former was given to Obama, George W. Bush, Bill Clinton and a few others. The latter has been given to Laura Bush and Hillary Clinton and many others. (All according to Wikipedia.).
Bob.
Daddy Rulz
01-11-17, 17:04
Can you even imagine what you will hear when he wins reelection?I'm not 100% sure that the Republicans will let him make it through his whole term. I'm thinking it's 50/50 that Pence is president when 2020 rolls around and that the Republicans controlling the Senate and House (not the Dems mind you) are the ones that will make it happen.
I think, don't know but think, that something pretty serious may end up coming out of this Russian thing. I know all the neo cons are going to immediately denounce this as that seems to be the strategy. I'm not saying that I want that to happen, I'm saying I think it's better than 50/50 that it will.
Just getting on record, if I'm wrong and he's still holding office come November of 2020 Doppelganger will be invited to supper any place he would like to go and it will be my treat.
In any event, it's going to be interesting to watch.
DR.
I'm not 100% sure that the Republicans will let him make it through his whole term. I'm thinking it's 50/50 that Pence is president when 2020 rolls around and that the Republicans controlling the Senate and House (not the Dems mind you) are the ones that will make it happen.
I think, don't know but think, that something pretty serious may end up coming out of this Russian thing. I know all the neo cons are going to immediately denounce this as that seems to be the strategy. I'm not saying that I want that to happen, I'm saying I think it's better than 50/50 that it will.
Just getting on record, if I'm wrong and he's still holding office come November of 2020 Doppelganger will be invited to supper any place he would like to go and it will be my treat.
In any event, it's going to be interesting to watch.
DR.Doppelgnger ......I recommend The Commander's Palace in New Orleans.........best bread pudding in the world.
I'm not 100% sure that the Republicans will let him make it through his whole term. I'm thinking it's 50/50 that Pence is president when 2020 rolls around and that the Republicans controlling the Senate and House (not the Dems mind you) are the ones that will make it happen.
I think, don't know but think, that something pretty serious may end up coming out of this Russian thing. I know all the neo cons are going to immediately denounce this as that seems to be the strategy. I'm not saying that I want that to happen, I'm saying I think it's better than 50/50 that it will.
Just getting on record, if I'm wrong and he's still holding office come November of 2020 Doppelganger will be invited to supper any place he would like to go and it will be my treat.
In any event, it's going to be interesting to watch.
DR.Doppelgänger, I recommend The Commander's Palace in New Orleans......best bread pudding in the world.
Member #4112
01-12-17, 10:59
I'm not 100% sure that the Republicans will let him make it through his whole term. I'm thinking it's 50/50 that Pence is president when 2020 rolls around and that the Republicans controlling the Senate and House (not the Dems mind you) are the ones that will make it happen.
I think, don't know but think, that something pretty serious may end up coming out of this Russian thing. I know all the neo cons are going to immediately denounce this as that seems to be the strategy. I'm not saying that I want that to happen, I'm saying I think it's better than 50/50 that it will.
Just getting on record, if I'm wrong and he's still holding office come November of 2020 Doppelganger will be invited to supper any place he would like to go and it will be my treat.
In any event, it's going to be interesting to watch.
DR.Here we go again, why didn't you post all of the response which did engage your argument?
Now you guys are doing two things which indicated you have lost the argument - pipe dreams and name calling / denigration of the other side.
In case you have not noticed the political power is currently in Trump's court. The first thing the bone headed Republican House does is try to gut the very partisan ethics unit. One tweet from Trump and they backed off.
I would prefer to see an independent ethics unit along the lines of a special prosecutor with the power to subpoena documents and seek indictments - but they would have to be totally non-partisan not like the panel we have now which reports to Congress. You would see a lot of Democrats and Republicans going down in flames, a proposition I have no problem with.
Gentlemen, lets just argue and dispense with the personal attacks, it only indicates you have lost the argument.
Daddy Rulz
01-12-17, 11:50
Here we go again, why didn't you post all of the response which did engage your argument?
Now you guys are doing two things which indicated you have lost the argument - pipe dreams and name calling / denigration of the other side.
In case you have not noticed the political power is currently in Trump's court. The first thing the bone headed Republican House does is try to gut the very partisan ethics unit. One tweet from Trump and they backed off.
I would prefer to see an independent ethics unit along the lines of a special prosecutor with the power to subpoena documents and seek indictments - but they would have to be totally non-partisan not like the panel we have now which reports to Congress. You would see a lot of Democrats and Republicans going down in flames, a proposition I have no problem with.
Gentlemen, lets just argue and dispense with the personal attacks, it only indicates you have lost the argument.I said it's not something I wanted to see happen and I agree with you about the ethics thing. There's some choices Trump has made that I disagree with but there's been more than a few that I think have been good. I certainly have reservations about Trump but as Obama said, "elections have consequences" and the people spoke and Trump got elected, I'm willing to see what he does. This is nothing new from me, you can ask el jeffe if you want, he and I have spoken about this several times.
As for my prediction I stand by it and the offer to buy you supper if it's wrong.
Interesting Shawman. Thank you.
I'm sure you are aware of offsetting studies, one of which contains this paragraph:
"Altogether, according to the state and local tax data analysispublished by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP)undocumented immigrants contribute about $11.6 billion to the economy annually, including nearly $7 billion in sales and excise taxes and $3.6 billion in property taxes. They are, in economic terms, productive citizens, and pay a higher effective tax rate than the top 1 percent income bracket. That alone is not the primary reason they should be embraced as neighbors and coworkers. But it dissolves the myth that immigrants do nothing but drain public coffers.".
(source: https://www.thenation.com/article/undocumented-immigrants-contribute-over-11-billion-to-our-economy-each-year/).
And many illegal immigrants pay federal income taxes (one reason being that they don't want to damage their chances should another amnesty program come along).
This is a contentious issue only because we are trying to have it both ways. We want low produce prices and inexpensive landscaping etc. But we say that we don't want the immigrant laborers who make such prices possible. It's similar to the outsourcing issue. We want to go to Walmart and buy cheap clothing etc. But we don't want jobs sent overseas.
See this article ( http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/05/us/farmers-strain-to-hire-american-workers-in-place-of-migrant-labor.html) for one farmer's experience trying to hire US citizens to do harvesting instead of importing labor from Mexico.
Thanks again for the references.
Bob.My bad if im bumping this thread too hard, but i just caught it now. Again, my bad. I would refer you to the "truth about immigration" presentation by stefan molyneaux, its on y.o.u.t.u.b.e. It directly addresses the core of your argument. Its incredibly thorough and cites all sources. Highly recommended!
WorldTravel69
05-03-17, 04:30
Go Here :
http://www.argentinaprivate.com/forum/showthread.php?9048-American-Politics-during-the-Trump-Presidency
WorldTravel69
04-29-18, 22:11
Too Funny:
White House Correspondents Dinner.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDbx1uArVOM&feature=youtu.be
Gary.
WorldTravel69
05-16-18, 11:20
Sorry.
This should have been in the Trump Thread.
Too Funny:
White House Correspondents Dinner.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDbx1uArVOM&feature=youtu.be
Gary.
Wild Walleye
05-22-18, 12:27
Thank God, Obama's reign of terror is over.
Should we post in this thread about Brennen, Lynch, Comey, McCabe, Page, Strozk, and Clapper and their coming criminal prosecutions or should we start a new thread for that?
WorldTravel69
05-22-18, 16:51
It looks like you are still watching the Fake News channel Fox?
Thank God, Obama's reign of terror is over.
Should we post in this thread about Brennen, Lynch, Comey, McCabe, Page, Strozk, and Clapper and their coming criminal prosecutions or should we start a new thread for that?
WorldTravel69
05-22-18, 18:22
Aren't they all Republicans?
It looks like you are still watching the Fake News channel Fox?
Wild Walleye
05-24-18, 14:23
It looks like you are still watching the Fake News channel Fox?I don't watch any news these days. I prefer to read it.
I figured I poke my head in a tweak a few of you guys.
I hope you are well. I appreciate your posts.
Wild Walleye
05-24-18, 14:25
Aren't they all Republicans?That's part of the problem. I'm not a Republican (big "R"), I'm a republican (little "R").
WorldTravel69
05-24-18, 14:40
I like the Little R's better than the Big Ass in the White House, but they are afraid that Trump will ask his bed Partner Putin to kill the ones that do not agree with Him..
That's part of the problem. I'm not a Republican (big "R"), I'm a republican (little "R").
Terrible it seems we actually would have got someone in government who cares about peoples' rights to buy and sell sex.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6283331/Bunny-Ranch-brothel-owner-Dennis-Hof-dies-aged-72-just-weeks-general-election.html
Terrible it seems we actually would have got someone in government who cares about peoples' rights to buy and sell sex.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6283331/Bunny-Ranch-brothel-owner-Dennis-Hof-dies-aged-72-just-weeks-general-election.htmlRumour has it Hof died in the saddle servicing one of his local pros.
A good way to go!
Rumour has it Hof died in the saddle servicing one of his local pros.
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