Buenos Aires - 2003 Reports [Archive] - Page 10

Minimus

12-20-03, 15:31

Just wanted to give some details of the trip my buddy & I to BA at the end of Nov. Renting an apt. in Recoleta, we ran through about 35 chicas in 6 days between the two of us. Some highlights & lowlights:

Angeles (we both agreed) was everything everyone said on the net. Good experience for 100 pesos.

If you have a thing for mature women, Dani on platynum.com is a sexy woman in her 40’s with a body of a 19 y.o. excellent complete session for 150 pesos.

Bety on platynum is another hottie. She is in an apartment on Sarmiento (I think 1759) with a few other cuties. Don’t remember price, but I wish I had gone back to this place over & over.

Candela also gives a good session. For one hour of complete service, I paid 80 pesos.

Britsy gave me a nice time. I couldn’t be bothered with going all the way out to Flores so she came to me. I was a little disappointed when I first saw her, but she had a nicely toned body and didn’t disappoint. Good complete service. 100 pesos for hr.

Ma. Christina is an interesting woman, gave a hour & 15min session for 150 pesos. As reported earlier, speaks English pretty well, asked me what I wanted her to wear, offered me a dildo to suck (I passed, thinking that would be the same dildo another monger had in his mouth and who knows where else it had been!). Good sex, no complete service. Good conversation. Nice apartment.

One night after our nightly bife de lomo we ordered an in-call lesbian show from clarin. 4371-7383. Got two girls, one blonde & real cute looking, the other a brunette and not as cute. They put on a fake lesbian show, taking off each others clothes. But we each took one into our bedrooms, good session, complete service. One hour for $80 pesos for both + 10 pesos for cabfare.

My buddy is in love with from Alanis from bonnefemme.com, he paid 200 pesos and had what he called an awesome session.

I went to an apartment on Cordoba 1606 I found in clarin and paid 30 pesos for an hour of complete sex, paid extra 40 pesos for BBBJTCNQNS. Quality was not high at all, but not terrible. Sorry, I don’t have a number but I think the apartment was 3C.

Avoid Bianca/Balenttina on platynum. Nice looking on the site, and not bad in person, but had real messed up teeth. She came to our apartment for my buddy and I stuck around to meet her before going out myself, since I wanted to spend time with her later on. Gave my buddy a real rushed and uninspired session for 200 pesos. I passed on seeing her later.

I was not impressed with Milena on platynum. She has late hours and I invited her over to the apartment. She asked if I was alone and asked if my friend wanted company. Who was he to say no? Turns out that he made out better, sight unseen, than I did. Milena seemed to have a bit of an attitude. Lackluster session. Her friend was a tall enthusiastic brunette, who was fun. I didn’t catch her name. 1 hour, total cost for the both of them $260 pesos for complete service including taxi.

I would avoid Cielo (platynum massage) as a pure sexplay, might have been better for a massage. Sex definitely lackluster. She kept complaining about my size.

Sean EZ, I would not call for Lara on that site. This was the only time I got a bait & switch in BA and my worst experience there. This girl’s pictures are on different sites with different numbers. When I showed up at the apartment, I met a girl that did not meet the expectations I had. However, like a trooper I kept on. When we started having sex, I realized she was having her period. Talk about a downer.

All of the sessions I described above included BBBJ.

James D 2004

12-20-03, 19:09

Tips at Black. It was Sat night but the central stage area is rather crowed. I was alone with a girl in the couch near the entrance, which was pretty empty. When I looked up I found the good looking stripper dancing on my coffee table. We kept on talking. After a song or two that I have no idea, my girl reminded me to tip the stripper. I took out 5 peso, and she was happy to let me hang it on her G-string wire. She danced a while afterward. When we left, my girl told me to go to the toilet while she go to the toilet too. I didn't, as my hotel was very close. I didn't know why but my girl took a long time, considering that most Black's girls don't need to change clothes to go out, and my girl didn't. After waiting for a while I just as well go into the toilet rather than standing there doing nothing. That was a mistake. I found a young guy in black suit or tux manning the small plush toilet. He could be the most handsome and well dressed guy ever to serve at a toilet. When I'm done I saw three 5 peso notes on the silver tray. I think he's bluffing. Lucky that I had a 2 peso note and I dropped it down. He's still polite and thanked me. I think he left not long after me, and he went in when he knew that someone was leaving.

Lexton

12-21-03, 03:48

I have been meaning to post something on this issue of the women being jealous and ask for help, because I thought it was probably just me and the women thought I was a softy. After reading some of these posts, now I know why they keep doing it. They are having so much success.

Most of the women I have seen several times have tried to tell me, one way or another, that they don't want me to "cheat" on them with other women. I always tell them that "cheating" on them is a concept that cannot exist. One, since they are going to "cheat" on me by seeing other men at will, they have no right to ask me to be faithful to them. Two, they aren't giving me anything the other women don't give me. When the paid time expires, they leave at will. Three, faithfulness is not part of the deal. Any type of commitment I might give them is very valuable. Exclusivity is the most valuable of all. Obviously, they are going to try to get what they can. And it appears that you guys are generally helping make this tactic successful. I suspect the reason we allow them to exploit us with this is to help with the illusion of the GFE. We want them to give us something special and want to believe that they do. And they are going to try to make us feel that they do. I think they know that jealousy is GFE behavior, and that we seem to like it. Notice Exon's girl trying to reduce the service to something he wouldn't accept from someone else. To foster the illusion that she was giving him far more than the other women would.

I have gotten into arguments and scenes over this. Originally, I avoided seeing more than one woman in each bar to avoid this problem. But I think it really only helps me in making seeing her feel more like a GFE, and I am starting to think it may be counter-productive in it's effect on the women. In Hook, it became impossible, as I knew it eventually would. So now there are several women in Hook I have seen. But none of them are a real GFE any longer. And one I saw many times I had a fight with over this when I started seeing another woman out of Hook. I stopped seeing her much, because she played the jealousy game and really stopped trying to be a GFE. But she had really already started dropping the GFE she had shown at first. For a long time, I only took one woman from Shampoo. But she gradually became more mechanical and less GFE, I think because she wasn't worried about losing me.

I believe the women play this game purposely and deliberately. Women are masters at manipulating men, they start learning as babies and it is one of the biggest things in their lives. My current favorita, whom I was beginning to look on almost as a girl friend, was constantly talking about me seeing other women and asking about me going to bars and seeing other women. And pretending to be jealous. She once said, "If you want to see me one day and another woman the next, I am not going to come." But then one day I asked her some innocent question about having something to do when she wasn't seeing me. She suddenly had the nerve to say, "You cannot ask me about anything that I do when I am not with you". I got angry immediately, and she heard my voice get very hard as I simply said, "Then why do you ask me?". She replied, "Only for conversation, nothing more." That was a couple of weeks ago, and she has played the jealous game a little since, but with nothing like the intensity of before. Last week, I said we would not be able to see each other last Saturday, and refused to discuss why when she asked. I told her, "You do what you want when you want without considering me. You have family, friends, and other clients. For my own protection, I have to have a life of my own independent of you". Interestingly, I think she was more attentive this past week. This is going to get tested more after the New Year, because I am seeing her constantly now, but will begin to see her less, only about 3 days a week. But actually, because of her remark and other little things here and there, I am beginning to believe that she is simply a genius at manipulating me thru the GFE, and really doesn't care at all.

I spent 15 years as usually the only man in an aerobic dance group of women, 2 days/week. After some time, they generally ignored the fact that I was a man in their midst. I was appalled at how cold, calculating and unromantic these women were when they talked about boyfriends, husbands, men and relationships. They definitely dealt with men with a purpose. Because of this, I agree with Jackson's strategy and am starting to use it more myself. Simply call their bluff immediately and refuse to be manipulated. For bad service, tell them immediately you will reduce payment and/or stop seeing them.

The other thing I am beginning to remember is that the GFE experience with women is best in relatively new relationships while they are trying to get you to commit to something. And the best way to maintain it is to keep them concerned that they might lose you if they do not, and never commit. So let's get a little more backbone here, and stop making this jealousy tactic so successful. It has become a very bad habit for these women.

Many of you seem to be very successful at avoiding this by never seeing a woman more than once or twice. But is your GFE more than just a few DFK's?

Hi Lexton,

One other tactic for keeping things under control: After every session with a club girl, I tell them in a friendly manner that I like them, but that the next time I go to the club I am going to leave with another girl. This sends a clear signal that I'm not going to allow her to pretend that we're in love or that she has a "special" relationship with me, etc.

Jackson

Exon123

12-21-03, 15:57

Lexton --- What an execllent report and Im in total aggreement. But I think it goes futher than that. Women are by nature more monogamous. This goes clear back to the caveman era in which women needed men to survive. And men demanded monogamy from women simply to know who was the father of the childern. Yes theres is and was a double standard in which men mess around and women don't, but thats not true either. For as we know women do play around. No what I really think it boils down to is Security, the one thing women truly want. If they catch us messing around their both hurt and jellious. But at the same time they know they have lost some control over their mate which breeds insecurity. ---- When Carolina caught me there were truly genuine tears in her eyes with hurt and disapointment. After all she'd given me the most presious thing she possessed her body in a romantic affair even though there was money involved there was emotion too. Lets face it, the very best sex is the GFE and to do that there must be some emotion. And if you keep banging them in a GFE setting theres going to be something more develop than just blowing your cookies off, this is human nature. Say you go to an apartment, Santa Fe 1707 as an example, their you just go in hand her the money and she gets you off, all the time knowing theres another guy in the lobby waiting for you to finish. This is certainlly different sex than romantic GFE sex in which theres emotion involved and the two of you have been going at it for a week or so. ---- Hey its not impossible to fall in love with one of thease girls and vice versa. Theres been many a monger who has married one and taken her home. --- So I guess my final comment goes back to Security, for thats what every woman wants in a man. And when they catch us Sport Fucking another Chica this blows that Security issue all to hell. For believe it or not thease girls are more than capable of falling in love with us too ---- Exon

James D 2004

12-21-03, 19:21

Angeles that I reported was not the one on Platynum. I asked for her in English from Guemes's number. Supposed to be the same person but they send me a different one.

Sabrina at areavip, wasn't available at the time but his "male friend" speak English. He sent me one but wasn't my type and I returned her. At least he's honest and made a follow up call.

Sean EZ, nobody seemed to want wasting their time so I'll give my opinion. Wait at the lobby isn't a clever idea. The hotel would want discretion. She normally have to register if you let her go up to your room. It's more unlikely she would refuse to go and make a scene, which was never reported. If she is bait and switch, give her taxi fare or not there shouldn't be any problem to send her away. I did print pictures because I didn't bring any laptop. That was only for me to remember who's who. But once I laughed at a girl's gorgeous picture while she didn't have much makeup on, she reduced the price to a more local level.

Darwinian forces dictates that all Internet girls evolve to having some common features, but since you meet her in Argentina at the end, there's also some local adaptations. I don't think that bait and switch is that common, since you can just send her away without trouble. But if she is not available, her roommate may probably go instead. And if that's not her private number, it's not unlikely that they will send anyone available. That's particularly true if they knows you are a tourist, and for girls claimed to have some English skills, who all have English speaking helpers to answer the phone.

The truly bait and switch that I met is a girl with a name starting with Ab. A lot of websites still use alpha order so most of the girls name started with A. This girl Ab... played that to extreme. But of course she has something that attracts you to let her stay. I asked for a skinny girl but got a bay watch babe. Apart from the general flaws below, I looked at her legs, ass, thinking about the completo that she will deliver, I let her stay.

To avoid bait and switch, and to make sure that you can go passionate, she have to show face. Wear bikini and go topless. Avoid professionally taken pictures with professional lighting (or airbrush). But if you filter out according to these rules, the few who left probably don't turn you on.

Since most girls are under 25, most have nice skins, leggy and curvy with good ass compared to Asians. The place to watch is the breast. I saw one too many with TJ flaps on the chest. In California, girls with breast like this would have gone under the knife, tidy up to make a neat young flat A, or put something in up to a full grown D. The nearest place that I can find these flaps is in TJ. With a bra on it looked rather good and you can't tell. It's not bad but if you are not used to seeing it, take care. In addition, the natural nipples on the natural flaps are not neat either.

The other place to watch is the tummy. Young Asian girls who don't work out still have a tummy curved in. Same for European girls who don't work out, their tummy is OK if they watch their diet, and in good shape but they may not have a hard body. I saw Argentina girls who have a nice curvy hard body but there's a tiny hint of belly. If they work out that part a bit they can do porn movies.

Most outcall girls don't wear makeup, perhaps it's relatively expensive in Argentina. And they don't wear sexy clothes, the same elsewhere. But they all have to wear makeup and dress sexy to look nice in photos. So you have to bear that in mind. I met some who turn up like surfers girl, with no signs of makeup, but signs of weathering on the face due to sun, sea or soap. They are pretty young and looked OK, but if they wear a little makeup they will look like angels. In contrast, the club girls all wear makeups, some a lot. Daytime they may look a lot different, and also when they left after a session, when the makeup wore down.

So for newbies I highly recommend to go to some good apartments to establish some baseline ASAP. If you see Internet girls later you know who to turn away and who to go to bed. Say Santa Fe 1707 they all walk around individually in high heels, bikini or underwear. I still don't see any negative reports in the looks department. They say they do outcalls but I doubt if that's the most popular thing to do. But there's no wrong to get the girls' name and particular numbers.

The disadvantage of apartment girls is that they are higher volume girls. But I think Internet girls are more or less the same. Many have their own incall apartments, many also works in apartments, and some work in clubs. The club girls are lower volume but I don't think by that much. They date outside after 4pm when they wake up. When they go to work at 11pm they could have done a few. Popular ones got taken out an hour at a time from 11, and some clubs open till 6am.

One more suggestion. If you want particular Internet girls very bad, it's best to ask Roxana to book in advance. Since these girls sell via many channels, it's usual that they are not available at the day, or skip your advance appointment. With Roxana you are more likely to see one of the several girls on your list that you want to see very much. Best to keep advance booking rolling than call around the same day.

Stowe

12-21-03, 22:30

To all the WSG posters,

I am a brand new member (as you can tell my my post number), however I have been lurking on this board for about a month 'learning' about Argentina. I am back into the mongering (only in Costa Rica and locally in the SF area) scene after a few years of absence (marriage) and plan to travel to Buenos Aires sometime next year for about 3 weeks.

I have found this board to be of trememdous value in my quest to begin my travels to Argentina, and eventually Rio, Cartengena and other locales.

Since I have very little to contribute, I do not plan to post very often however, when I get nearer to my trip I will have many questions and hope you will help. Perhaps when I go, I will meet some of you there.

My first question is whether a Visa is required for Argentina for an American traveling to that country? It does not appear one is required but I am not positive.

Thanks and keep posting. Each post educates me more. I am very excited for my trip and feel I will be extremely prepared thanks to all of you.

Stowe

Jaimito Cartero

12-22-03, 05:51

Hey, Exon used quite a few periods in his last post. Great job! Now we can start on the spaces between paragraphs. :)

It does make posts much easier to read.

MRLA

12-22-03, 11:21

To Jackson, Roxana, and all my fellow mongers.....

May I wish you all a very Merry Christmas and Happy, Safe New Year!!!

Only the best to you all,

MRLA

MeGustaBoliches

12-22-03, 11:29

Stowe,

The answer to your first question is a simple no, a visa is not required for stays of less than 90 days.....welcome..

OttoGraham

12-22-03, 16:46

TRIPLE MILES PROMOTION

A week or so ago on the site I provided information that United Airlines is running a promotion for triple frequent flyer miles for the first three months of 2004.

Well, it seems that American Airlines has matched them. Fly 10,000 miles on AA or UA in January, and for the remainder of the first quarter they will provide you with triple frequent flyer miles, excluding only the cheapest tickets.

Since BsAs is about 10,000 miles round trip from most of the U.S., you may want to consider this fact when planning your travel in the New Year.

Check out www.aa.com or www.united.com for the airlines' details.

-Uncle Otto

FKK Newbie

12-22-03, 16:52

Stowe,

If you have an American passport then you don't need a visa to Argentina. If you are planning to visit Rio in Brazil, then you DO need a visa for Brazil.

By the way, Rio and Buenos Aires is a deadly combination. Just did that recently, it was unbelievable fun!

Marcos

12-22-03, 23:34

Pre-Xmas mini-report...
Soledad from Hook, a skinny curly blonde from Hooks is excellent for ar$ 100. Passionate and energic, she will dry you out, literally.
Floppy, the tall cutie with eyeglasses is (this is second hand information) sweet but somewhat mechanic with half-mouthed BBBJ. I would not reccomend at her asking price of 250.
General talk, all this talk about the way your preferred prostitute 'would like' you to behave, is for real?!? Remember, anytime a woman (or anybody) else can show you her manipulating skills, is because you gave her the opportunity.
Take care.

DownBA

12-23-03, 00:13

Exon, not to beat a dead horse, but the next time you post, just try hitting the enter key twice instead of typing your trademark
---.

Now that you've discovered the oh so useful period your writing will be so much better than before. It seems like your use of --- is really meant to signal the end of a thought, thus you probably really mean to start another paragraph. Using a period instead of the --- would be so much more palatable to the eye.

Imagine that, an erudite, upper-crust board on fucking fine women around BA that really cares about good punctuation and grammar! Ha!

Thanks for taking the board's constructive criticism positively Exon. DownBA

Boxing Rule 222

12-23-03, 08:06

Stowe,
If you carry an American Passport you do not need a visa to visit Argentina.
You can stay up to 90 days.
Hope this helps and remember Argentina is the greatest.

Dickhead

12-23-03, 13:39

Down BA writes, "Imagine that, an erudite, upper-crust board on fucking fine women around BA that really cares about good punctuation and grammar! Ha!"

I think you mean palatable and not palpable in your message to Exon!

Stowe

12-23-03, 23:11

Hi MeGustaBoliches, FKK Newbie, BoxingRule222,

Thanks for the info. Glad to hear I only need my passport for BA. I do intend to get a visa for Brazil before I go to BA-just in case:-)

I cannot wait to go to the Disneyland of male vacations. From the escort sites and photos I have seen here, the girls providing the services are stunning compared to anything here. I plan to experience the web and club girls as well as the private apts and boliches (sounds like 15 days will NOT be enough time). Also, plan to go at least once a year starting in 2004.

Perhaps I will see some of you guys when I am there. Not sure exactly when I will be going in 2004.

Thanks again,

Stowe

DownBA

12-24-03, 04:01

Dickhead, absolutely right, what was I THINKING!?! Will edit myself so that my post is more palatable. Thank you professor! DownBA

Sean EZ

12-24-03, 04:24

TallnHandsome,

Thanks a lot for your reply, very helpful!

OttoGraham

12-24-03, 11:32

Well, despite my friend Jackson's well-known distaste for Black, the two best-looking chicas which I have done in BsAs were from this place. For a toda la noche one was 300 pesos last summer, and the other was 400 pesos last month. I bought a 50 peso drink for each.

So, this place is definitely a case where your knowledge of the scene and negotiating skills are more imporant.

Personally, I would never stay in BsAs without visiting this place.

-Uncle Otto

Hi Otto,

I don't have a distaste for Black, I just know it for what it is: An over-priced tourist trap. My advice regarding Black is the same as if it were a steak restaurant that charged twice the average price for a steak. I'd say "Yes, you can get a good steak there, but if you go pretty much anywhere else, you can get the same steak for the locally accepted regular price, which is half the price that they charge."

$400AR for TLN! I congratulate you on your exceptional good luck in negotiating what you and I know to be a below average price in Black. Still, in my opinion, all you did was manage to pay only $150k for the proverbial $100k Mercedes.

My real issue is that a lot of guys come to BA and head for Black because they've been advised that it's the Holy Grail of clubs, and it's not. There are true gems to be found in any one of dozens of other clubs throughout the city. Remember, in this city there is NO correlation between price and quality of service.

Still, the bottom line: Every monger in BA should visit Black, and if you absoulty MUST pay $300AR (or USD), then please STAY THERE.

Thanks,

Jackson

MoonDog

12-24-03, 13:26

Jackson,

Thanks for the list.

Moondog

Jaimito Cartero

12-24-03, 22:23

Jackson - Thanks for the new lists. I didn't notice info on the Cafe's saying that they were places to pick up Chicas. I know I don't normally think of a coffee shop as place to find girls.

Also, I've never heard the phrase "taxiboys" in the streetwalker list. I'm rather sure they're not someone who I'd want to take, but I hate to think that my sexual vocabulary is out of date.

Stowe

12-24-03, 23:35

Has there ever been a discussion about setting up a location in WSG that would contain only reviews of the providers, including a rating scale?

In this way guys could do any variety of searches-by club, private apts, boliches, etc, by the quality of the sex (a rating), attractiveness rating and read the reviews to know which girls are good or bad and what services they provide? Possibly also include addresses/phone numbers. It would be easier to search against.

As a newbie to this board and also to BsAs, it would make it easier for new mongers and also be beneficial to experienced mongers who are looking for a good session or a girl for a particular service.

I know of a local site that has this type of set-up and it works well. It is also helpful hear to avoid law enforcement stings which wouldn't be a problem in BsAs.

Just my 1 cent thought.

Stowe

Bandy

12-25-03, 00:28

Jackson,

I don't want to be BLACK-listed, but I did pay @ AR 400 last year for two 12 hour TLN encounters with Jovana from BLACK. I never regretted it for a second. However, just to be on the same page with you, I did enjoy an equally, if not more, out of the world TLN encounter with Rafeila from Cattos last summer. And it cost me only AR 200. (In fairness to Uncle Otto, Rafeila used to work in Black). I just posted her picture under the "Photo Gallery" section.

As you correctly pointed out, everyone should visit Black at least once. Whether or not to partake in the take-out, that's solely depend on the individual.

Have a fun-filled Christmas and a happy and healthy New Year everybody.

Bandy

Dick for Brains

12-25-03, 15:51

I recently returned from a great two week holiday in Beunos Aires and am in the process of posting some reports. I want to thank all previous posts for providing invaluable information to me regarding apartments, Boliches, Maria, hotels, restaurants, transportation, etc. This site is a veritable gold mine of information and as I have benefited from the knowledge/experiences of others, so I would like to contribute to the experiences of future mongers to the land of milk and honey.

It was great to meet up with Jackson at his apartment a couple of Tuesdays ago (12/09/2003) at the weekly AMA meeting. It was fun to put a face to some of the regular posters of this thread and to tour some of the Recoleta clubs with fellow mongers.

I am organizing my posts thematically, rather than chronologically. I think this is a more useful way to provide information to those who are new to the BA scene. I have already posted regarding my hotel in Palermo in which one other monger from the 12/9/03 AMA meeting was also staying, my experiences with Myra and my session with Dickhead's Maria (and I believe that I was the post that put Jackson over the top to create the new Maria thread.) In the future, I plan on posting regarding my many trips to Modahos(sp?), my visits to some of the other Boliches, my one appointment Roxanna set up with Patricia from Jackson's private site, my trips to Santa Fe 1707, and my visit to Iguazu.

I'll keep you posted.

DfB

Dick for Brains

12-26-03, 16:53

[Madaho's]

During my two week trip to BA, Madaho's was the boliche I most frequented. There is a tremendous variety of women, there is no pre-one-drink requirement entry fee (once they get to know you), they allow you to talk to the women pretty much for as long as you want without having to buy any chica drinks, and the women are beautiful.

The one message that came through loud and clear from my visits to Madaho's is the tremendous variation there is in the market throughout the night and across nights. Early in the week like Mondays and Tuesdays, the women were much more willing to negotiate longer visits (>2 hours) for $150AR than they were later in the week. On the other hand, on a Thursday or Friday night, I found it virtually impossible to get out of there for less than $200AR and some would not leave for less than $300AR when the M/F ratio turned too much in favor of the ladies later in the night.

Keep in mind when maintaining your reservation price, that one really needs to be aware of the current market conditions or you can find yourself in the wee hours of a Friday morning with only the least eligible women to negotiate with.

My first visit to Madaho's took place on the night of my entry to BA (12/9/2003). After awakening around midnight after an early evening nap, and heading out (without my WSG cut-and-paste cheat sheet) once again at 2am after a false start with a TV SW in my Palermo neighborhood, I hailed a taxi and asked the driver to take me to a good but not overly expensive boliche in Recoleta. Ten minutes later, we arrived at Madaho's.

From what I later learned, it was a really slow night at Madaho's. It was a Monday and a Christian holiday that the country observes (12/9/2003 - I forget which one.) After ordering my drink with the 25 peso one-drink pre paid entry fee (the only time on the trip that I was required to pay for entry) I sat around for about an hour trying to take in all that was around me.

The girl that finally caught my attention was Monica – a multilingual (speaks Spanish, English, German, Italian and perhaps others) slightly older (around 36) brunette (later in the week she was more of a blonde) with a good sense of humor and a good conversationalist. After talking for about an hour we settled on $150AR for 2 hours in a hotel near Madahos. Monica convinced me that I lived “too far away” and that we needed to go to a nearby hotel. I believe she got a cut of the $30AR 2 hour hotel rate, and being a newbie on my first night in town, I succumbed. She was the only Madaho girl who required this and had I not been on my first visit, would have insisted on going tom y hotel. Monica also told me that she was going to return to Madaho’s after the two hours and it would be much better if she didn’t take the round trip taxi to Palermo.

Once we got through the negotiating and into the nearby hotel, Monica was a great lover. She took her time with long tender kissing and caressing before going for the Johnson. Deep down, I’m not a slam-bam kind of man, and much prefer women who take the time before going for the hard core stuff. Monica was the perfect entrée for me into the BA scene. After about 30 minutes of strictly DFK and caressing, she proceeded with a nice slow BBBJ which flowed nicely into 69 and then con-preservativo went into various positions. She was just great!

Leaving the hotel after some more caressing, it was daylight outside. Monica walked me part way back towards Madahos, and then veered to the right. Clearly she was not heading back to the club. Despite what she said about returning to Madaho’s and thus not wanting to head to my hotel in Palermo, it was clear she was heading home and thus the story was just a cover for her to make a slight payback on my hotel cost.

The lesson to be learned from this is that despite how the fantasy may appear for a couple of hours, one must always keep in mind that you are paying for a fantasy. A two hour relationship. Not a girlfriend. The standards are different. Things are said which only make sense at the moment. One can not and one should not trust what is said during the two hours for it really has no lasting consequences. She is there for one thing – to make a living. You’re there for one thing – to get your rocks off. Don’t fall for the illusion and expect a level of honesty that one expects in one’s normal life. Judge these women for what they do in the bedroom. By these standards, Monica was just great.

Future reports coming on my later visits to Madaho’s.

DfB

James D 2004

12-26-03, 19:04

Regarding price in BA, I would say that it's hard to beat the tourist traps. In holiday times on my way to Madahos I met guys hustling you into Blacks, Solid Gold and Madahos itself. God knows how many tourists there are. How many tourists knows the existence of WSG? And how many knows WSG but manage to get sufficient info without being a hardcore researcher? I would say don't blame them for inflating the price. Time and time again I was confronted with the situation of extra 50 to 100 peso. What am I going to do except for keeping everybody happy while promising myself not to do that for the next negotiation? What's the problem of inflating the price if one's trip is just a stopover, a few days or a week? If you knows that you are overpaying, loser's logic says that it's not only you who is hurt, so it hurts less.

For the websites that list prices, all ask for 100 USD per hour. They are fairly consistence if you call up any escort in English. It's pretty natural for the club girls to ask for more than 300 peso. I experimented to pay up hoping that they will stay longer and provide better service, in return I'll call them again. But no, the club girls seemed to have a competition to clock in the most dollar per hour. I did book a gorgeous Internet girl for 100 peso for completo, but she flaked on me. That made me doubt about the power of 100 peso and what crap would I get if she actually turn up. For Indonesian street hawkers, whatever they sell the basic technique is to counter offer a fraction of the asking price, to arrive at half the asking price finally. Even if you do this in Argentina you are still overpaying for some 50 peso. Too much for me to handle as I thought Indonesia was my worst bargaining experience.

So at first I think you have to speak Spanish without accent, or knows someone who does, or belong to some secret societies. Since average tourists are none of the above, don't blame them.

As for the WSG reports, some reporters do everything from street girls to the top tier ones. All girls in the reports are worth reporting and the reporters are quite incapable or reluctance to describe the differences in short communications. So you don't have a clue of the power of 100 pesos. On the other hand, some reporters are so superior that I don't think I will never come close as a practical tourist. So I give up when the going gets tough.

Apartments can be from 40 to 100 peso an hour. That's a huge difference and all are worth reporting. I have been to one or two that asked for 100 per hour. After I saw the girls I was very happy to pay whatever the club girls or Internet girls ask for. However, I went to another one that asked for the same. After I saw the girls I wasn't willing to pay any more for 100 peso per hour for whatever girl.

It's very good for someone authoritative to say that don't pay how much for what girls. But a gorgeous club girl asking for 150 peso was just not available. I would be very willing to pay for any seasonal adjustments.

Dick for Brains

12-26-03, 21:39

Madahos experiences (cont'd.):

The following day (12/9), after the weekly AMA meeting at Jackson's apartment, about six of us scoured the clubs in Recoleta. After a fine steak dinner, we headed off to Newport for a few minutes, then to Affaire, and finally to Madaho’s. Jackson’s introduction allowed us free entrance both at Affaire and Madaho’s. Subsequent nights at Madaho’s did not require the one-drink prepay entrance.

Once inside the AMA gang got separated as each of us was pursuing his own pleasure.

My pleasure was in the form of a drop-dead gorgeous Meg Ryan-look-alike named Elina. She was a friend of Monica’s, the multi-lingual lass who I had the previous night. On this night, Monica was distant, perhaps sensing that most mongers prefer to taste all that BA has to offer. In any case, Monica introduced me to Elina at her table, then left us alone to chat.

Elina spoke some English, about the same level at which I speak Spanish. We thus conversed in alternating tongues, depending on whose other-language vocabulary was stronger for the conversation at hand. We had a good time, spoke for about an hour. Again, as mentioned in earlier posts, no hurry from the waiters to force the issue with a 35 peso chica drink. As always, I try to buy drinks only when I’m convinced that this girl is mine on this night. From what I learned from Monica on the previous night, if you buy a chica a drink and do not go out with them on that drink , the chica keeps her chit (worth I believe 5 pesos (maybe 10)). If on the other hand, the guy takes the chica out on that drink, the chit changes colors, the girl turns it in as an exit pass, and she earns her money from the guy directly, rather than from the kick-back on the drink. Again, I learned this from Monica. Any confirmation on this would be appreciated.

In any event after about an hour, Elina and I were holding hands, making out, when the subject of going back to my hotel was breeched. It was after 3am, a Tuesday night. I suggested she come back to my hotel for 2 hours for 150AR. After a couple of minutes, she asked to “go to the ladies room” where she consulted Monica. (I believe Monica is something of a mentor to Elina, having been in the business much longer.) She came back asking for 200AR. Hearing Jackson’s voice in my ear, I stuck to my guns, and shot myself in the foot. For Elena “went to the bathroom” again, found another suitor upon her return to the main room, and soon was nowhere to be found.

I would have to wait until my next visit to Madaho’s the following Monday to see Elina again. We sealed the agreement quickly (at 150AR), went back to my hotel in Palermo for the best sex I had on the trip, with the most beautiful girl I had ever been with. She was tender, enjoyed kissing and cuddling, provided BBBJ, DATY, 69, multiple positions, for an unhurried couple of hours.

We went to sleep together, she woke up a few hours later, left me her phone number and we kissed goodbye. What a delight.

One of the lessons I learned on this trip to Madaho’s is the need for flexibility w.r.t. pricing. On a slow Monday, with a good F/M ratio, 150AR may seal the deal. The previous Tuesday, at a time in the evening when 150AR was insufficient, I should have been flexible and paid the extra $50AR (<$17US.) How many times in your life do you get to have sex with a drop-dead gorgeous woman for under $80US (including the bar fine)??

Assess the market. Don’t walk in with a “reservation price” above which you will not go. Be flexible. Enjoy!!

Jaimito Cartero

12-26-03, 22:19

TnH - Well pricing is always a topic of hot discussion. The "Don't ruin it for all of us" faction is always vocal. You don't go into a 5 star hotel and expect a room for a dollar. So, you don't go into Black and expect a 100 peso girl.

However, you need to know your limits. Lately everyone seems to think the "I pay 150 pesos" route is best for Hook, Catto and perhaps Madahos (Perhaps 200 for the latter). I always got at least 1 1/2 hours and usually 2 hours or all night for this price. Don't let the chica even mention a price.

If you save those 50 peso overpayments up, you can send a couple hundred to the soup kitchens that we're helping in Argentina!

Dick for Brains

12-27-03, 04:01

Madaho’s (cont’d. 3/3)

My last visit to Madaho’s was on Thursday (12/18) and further solidified the notion of how critical it is to be aware of the changing market. Thursday is very different from Tuesday and what is achievable at 2am is not necessarily available at 3am.

I had just returned from a 3 day trip to Iguazu, arriving back in BA at around 6:30pm. Quite a bit of traffic back to my Hotel (Cristoforo Colombo) in Palermo, check-in, shower, and I’m out the door at 8:30. Had a reservation for a Tango Concert (Quinteto La Camorra Tango) at Club del Vino at 10:30 and wanted to catch dinner at a nearby Parrilla house in Palermo Viejo before the concert.

Food and concert were outstanding but was eager to head back to Madaho’s to see Elina again after a great Monday night/Tuesday morning at the hotel (see earlier post.) Arrive at the club, she’s cold as ice, barely acknowledging me, flirting with another monger. Got to keep reminding myself, this is only fantasy, a two hour relationship, not love, what’s said/done in those two hours has no resemblance to what takes place when those two hours are over.

Quickly compose myself and start chatting it up with this cute little blonde Paraguayan (can’t recall her name.) We sit down in the back, watch the show, make out, she’s rubbing my crotch, getting me all excited. It’s around 2am now, we agree on leaving at 3am (recalling earlier posts which report that after 3am the girls don’t neeed to report back to work.) for my hotel for una hora media for 200AR.

THIS WAS A VERY BIG MISTAKE.

We’re there at 2am and she now knows she has a sure thing at 3am. Perhaps she can make more money since she now has a fall-back. She tells me to wait for her on the couch and she’ll be back. The next thing I know, she and two of her friends are flirting with these three Japanese businessmen. I had the feeling these guys were ready to shell out a hell of a lot more than 200AR.

All is not lost but my ego is pretty bruised at this point. Made a major rookie mistake. It’s now around 3:30 pm on a Thursday morning and the pickings are getting mighty slim. I walk around the neighborhood. Check out Newport. Nothing. Come back to Madaho’s. Start talking to another blonde babe from Brazil. She’s probably there for seconds cause I didn’t see her earlier in the night. The ratio is getting horrendous at this point. She won’t leave for less than 300AR!!!

After walking aimlessly around the club looking for ANYTHING to go home with, I finally get chatting with this Wynona Ryder look-alike. What the hell, Elina was a Meg Ryan look-alike. I guess, deep-down, I’m a Hollywood groupie! (In fact, the previous Friday, I saw Robert Duvall dancing in a small Tango Club in San Telmo – Defensa 1575, Pque Lezama.)

Wynona Ryder’s twin, while extremely pretty, was a bit stand-offish to the clientele. I was in the club for probably around 3 hours at this point, and never saw her approach any of the men. Once I got talking to her, she warmed up pretty nicely, and was in fact a great passionate kisser who really let herself loose (on the kissing front.) Turns out, she has 4 kids, husband died in a car accident recently (either that or in a motorcycle accident. Got her story mixed up a little with Dickhead’s Maria. See that posting in the new Dickhead’s Maria section.) Anyway, we agree on heading back to my place, TLN for 200AR. It sounds like a good deal, but it’s probably 4am by this point and TLN by some interpretation could be equivalent to dos horas.

To make a long story short, while she was a great and passionate kisser, her lovemaking skills left much to be desired. She very much enjoyed being on the receiving end of oral sex, but was a bit squeamish when giving. Put the preservativo on before I was barely hard again prior to going down. She also rode me (reverse cowboy) a little before I was ready.

To sum up, Wynona2 was a nice girl, but since she’s fairly new to the sex scene (other than with her ex-husband), I’d lay off her till she got a bit more experience. Don’t be seduced by her looks if you’re looking for great sex. I think because of the circumstances she found herself in, 4 kids, widowed, she turned to this profession to support her family but she’s really not into it at this point.

Remember, although one never knows a chica by her kisses, I could have avoided all this had I acted more wisely earlier in the night when there were more choices available. Please learn from my mistakes.

DfB

Hi DfB,

The girls can leave the club without returning after 3:30 am.

If you find yourself looking for action at 3-4 am, you best bet is to go to Cocodrilo 9Gallo 1311 (at Paraguay) (in Barrio Norte) 4963-7195). It's an after-hours club (really a disco) that stays open until 7 am. A lot of club girls (and club staff) go there after their clubs close, which means that from 4:30 to 5:00 am you see fresh faces start to walk in the door.

Thanks,

Jackson

MoonDog

12-27-03, 15:32

DFB,

Thanks for the nice reports. These girls will drive you nuts sometimes, and when you get to that point, it is time to move on, as there are at least 20+ other girls within a 5-10 minute walk.

Thanks for sharing and enjoy the life.

Moondog

Hobby Fan

12-27-03, 16:09

DFB is correct as to having some flexibility with pricing.

There is no right answer here, which is why the topic is addressed again and again on this Board. You need to develop your own strategy, which depends in part on your personality and in part your ability to speak Spanish. And the correct strategy may vary with the chica involved.

One clear rule: At all times push hard for pay-at-the-end. Sometimes it is a deal breaker, and you have to decide between paying up front (with large risk of bad session) or losing the chica. At that point opinions vary. Chicas will claim they have been cheated, and at that point you can ask them if they have ever been stiffed or cheated by a guy from (your country here). Odds are that they have been stiffed by Argentine men but not foreigners. But sometimes they insist on payment up front, and despite Jackson's admonitions, sometimes I have caved in and then had a great session.

On negotiating hard: Getting the best possible price from a really good looking woman at Madaho's may not lead to bad service, but is likely to make repeat visits less attractive to the woman.

On prices to offer: One good strategy: agree to pay your best price, or just a little over best possible price, but then just pay more at the end if the session is a great one, particularly if you want to repeat. I let them know that is possible and even probable, but in my discretion. DFB apparently paid 150 for two hours with a total babe, and she did not want to see him again enough to dump another guy with whom she was talking. No surprise here.

Another approach: agree to pay, say 150 in the bar. Then change the price to 175 minimum, more at your descretion, when you get to the room. Chica conclusion: you know market price, but are not cheap.

Another good option: copy the price/time schedule from Jackson's argentinaprivate website, maybe augmented by 50P for Madaho's or total babe factor elsewhere, announce the start time when you get to the room, and stick to it. A bit mechanical, yes, but clarity has its advantages.

Or simpler, just say 150 for the first hour (200 if a Madaho babe), 50 per half hour thereafter. Round up on time at the end if the session is good. This strategy gives the lady an incentive to keep you pleased for hours. OK, you lose the chance of 2 or 3 hours for 150, but I always end up tipping heavy in that situation anyway.

And, or course, clarify before finalizing agreement any 'special activities' you want included.

Hope this helps,

HF

MoonDog

12-27-03, 19:09

With regard to pricing, unless she brings it up first, I never even discuss it.

If she wants us to leave together, she will make it known. We both know what the going rate is, and depending on the session that takes place, that is what she will get, more if she is good and I want to see her again. Outside of one or two gold diggers, price has never been a problem or issue, and has never been a qualifier as to if I want to be with her. Attitude rules in this hobby, and that is used as the barometer.

Moondog

Dick for Brains

12-27-03, 19:38

Moondog,

If you come home with a girl without discussing price, what do you do if she asks for a ridiculous amount when the date is over? What protection is there that you have a meeting of the minds?

The first time I mongered in Rio a few years ago, I was with a girl I met in that cafe near Help. After a full day with her, taking her out for a shrimp dinner, going out to a samba club, and generally spending a decent amount of money on her, she asked for way more than I expected. She turned out to be reasonable and we settled on what I considered to be a fair price, but what if she becomes unreasonable and gets some of her friends involved?

Remember you're on their turf, not on your own.

Just wondering if you've ever had any problems when not making it clear what the agreement was?

DfB

Hobby Fan

12-27-03, 23:21

Moondog:

Good input, and not the normal strategy. What is your view of normal rate for, say, Madaho's girl, for a session lasting, say, just under 2 hours?

With no discussion of pricing, you don't often get asked for 100 US? If one can make your way work it would be best, I agree, but I don't like to chance an argument. Is your Spanish fluent? Do you pass for a local or S. American, or do you just project the attitude of plainly knowing the ropes?

HF

Dick for Brains

12-28-03, 12:12

1707 Avenida Santa Fe (1/2)

My first day in BA, after an all-night flight, arrived at my hotel around 10am, tried to check-in, room wasn’t quite ready, had breakfast after which room became ready, unpacked, showered and off I was into the streets of BA. My hotel was in Palermo, on Calle Oro, the equivalent of around 4400 (in the numbering scheme) a block or two off of Santa Fe.

I figured that the best way to explore the city was on foot. It was Monday, 12/8, a holiday in BA so the streets were fairly quiet. I headed down Santa Fe, planning on walking all the way to the Microcentre or around the equivalent of 600 on Santa Fe.

After about an hour, stopped for coffee at Ave. Callao (yes in BA Avenidas do intersect) and pulled out my WSG cut-and-paste cheat sheet. Lo and behold I was only a block away from what some consider the best apartment in BA.

Longèshort, the WSG descriptions were perfect. Went up to the apartment, rang the buzzer for the 3rd floor, got into a rickety elevator, was led into a room where two girls were introduced (it was very slow at 1707 that day due to the holiday. On a subsequent visit, 7 girls were introduced). Barbara was one of them, a very good-looking tall, slender black-haired women, a clear favorite over the other mujer (don’t recall her name.)

I settled on a 45 minute session for 80AR. Took a shower (after the long walk on a hot day, really needed it.) Barbara was a great un-hurried kisser and caresser, provided nice slow CBJ (being in BA for only a few hours, who was I to complain about a little preservativo) and multiple positions. We talked a bit, cuddled some more and off I went, continuing my journey to the microcentre. Barbara is a definite looker, one who I would definitely recommend.

Only suggestion is to negotiate bareback with Barbara next time as it applies to BJ.

DfB

Dick for Brains

12-28-03, 12:12

1707 Santa Fe (2/2)

Bracketing my entire two week trip to BA was 1707. As I had visited this apartment on my first day in town, so I visited it on my last. As time was short, rather than walking this time from my hotel in Palermo, I hopped on the D line, got off at Estacion Callao, walked north on Callao and made a right on Santa Fe to 1707.

Had read some good reports about Pamela from Missiones and when she showed up in the introductions in my room, I quickly grabbed her. We agreed on a full hour for $100AR.

After showering, Pamela entered, we lied on the bed and talked for a few minutes, started caressing and kissing. She’s definitely a good kisser. After a couple of minutes left the room to pee. Came back, made out some more. Did seem to be a tad more hurried than I prefer, heading for the Johnson after only a few minutes of making out. She started putting on a preservativo, when I objected she asked for a good propina (consistent with early reports.) I don’t really care for this policy – I’m paying for her time. If she has no health qualms regarding the giving of BBBJ (as evidenced by her willingness to do it for a tip), I really don’t see why this requires extra money. In any case she did give excellent head deep throating me till near-climax. I rolled over to get into 69 position and after a few minutes there I blew my load deep, DEEP in her throat. She practically gagged and headed out the door to gargle (or whatever else she needed to do.)

Came back after a few minutes. After a little more making out she left the room again, claimed she had to pee. I got a bit frustrated at this. This was her third trip out of the room, only one of which really seemed necessary after blowing my load down her throat. Got dressed despite the fact there was about 25 minutes remaining on my clock. Didn’t think I had it in me for another round. She asked for her tip – I gave her only 10AR. Despite the quality of the deep-throating, tipping didn’t really seem necessary, and was not keen on her three trips out of the room.

Pamela started going a bit whacko at this point. She expected a much larger tip. She blocked the door. I called out to the hostess and started feigning serious anger (recalling a comment Jackson made at the AMA meeting roughly two weeks earlier – “when a girl gets rough, get a little crazier than her.” It worked to perfection, she led me out the door and all was well.

All in all – while the sex was very good with Pamela, the other stuff detracted a bit from the experience. I wouldn’t recommend her unless you’re willing to pay on the order of 30-40AR extra for BBBJ. Take her or leave her.

All in all, SF 1707 is a good apartment with a great choice of girls. My main problem with this environment, however, is a generic one I suppose. Tn this environment, the introductions are extremely brief – the girls walk in, peck you on the cheek, state their name and walk out, after which you are required to make your choice. I generally prefer an environment where you have a much longer chance to converse with the ladies, to get a sense of their character, to nail down the “contract” more thoroughly. If anyone knows of a venue where this is possible in the afternoon hours, I would love to hear from you.

DfB

Dick for Brains

12-28-03, 20:38

Update on Amerika:

After seeing several reports from a few months ago, I decided to check this club out on a Saturday evening (really Sunday morning around 1:30am.)

I really didn't see any interesting stuff going on. The club was fairly expensive by BA standards and from all accounts it ooked like alot of clubs I've been to. There was one room upstairs which was totally black (couldn't see my hand if I held it up a foot in front of my face.) It appeared that there were some rooms, which I didn't care to venture in given thae nature of the club most days of the week. In short, it looked like it was the room-equivalent of a glory hole.

Curious to hear if there are any recent reports of this club from one of its mostly hetero nights.

DfB

MoonDog

12-29-03, 17:17

To clarify on the non-discussion of price, negotiations do take place occasionally, but personally I do not initiate the negotiations, and prefer not to even discuss price. If she does throw out a number, then it is up to me to either accept it, or, if it is on the high side, tell her what I would expect for that amount. In the club or the café, if they are interested, they will let it be known to you. Attitude plays a huge part in the satisfaction that we get from this hobby, and if the attitude is good, and she is very interested in you, then just treat her right and have a great time with her. The amount that I give them is in line with the prices quoted in the Chica Recommendations in Jackson’s www.argentinaprivate.com, and I let them know that this is not for sex, but to help them with their rent, clothes, children, etc. We both know the truth, but they seem to appreciate it anyway.

DFB, I’ve only had two girls balk at the amount. One wanted dollars in the same denomination as pesos, and the other thought her pussy was made of gold. In both cases, I explained that was the going rate in Argentina, gave them the amount, showed them the door, and found much better company 15 minutes later in one of the clubs or cafes. I’ve never had any repercussions from any of this.

Hobby Fan, one girl in Sao Paulo asked me for $500 U.S. when we got to the room. I laughed and pointed to the door. She laughed, countered, I countered, we settled for a fun night. I am not fluent in Spanish or Portuguese, just a few words and phrases, and can not pass for a local either. Eye contact, facial expressions, body language tell a lot in both directions.

Some of the girls, say from the websites, want to know up the amount up front, and I am fine with that. In a club or café though, sometimes there will be negotiations, but she will be the initiator, not me. That way it is known that she is somewhat interested in me as a person rather than an ATM. Sometimes payment is in the form of taking her shopping or other things like fixing something for her, much like we would do for a normal girlfriend.

Try this next time you are in the Cafés Exedra, Orleans, or any others, as well as in the clubs(maybe with the exception of Black). Let them come to you naturally, not asking for drinks and such. Definitely buy them a drink though if you want to spend any time with them in the club or café. Then just be non-committal, and let them make the suggestion to leave with you. Accept their offer if you want, but let their attitude towards you be the determining factor. Do not discuss money unless they mention it, and have a great time. Pay them the going rate, maybe a bit more if you two really clicked, and send her on her way happy. BA is a small town within this hobby zone, and you will be rewarded many times over as you get to be known as a really nice guy.

In the entire length of time that I have enjoyed this hobby, the absolute best times and relationships have been when money was never mentioned. Money was given for sure, but she never asked, and neither did I.

Enjoy the life gentlemen, :)

Moondog

Young & Restless

12-29-03, 19:12

Just have a couple of questions....

I've been spending too much time in Rio and am looking for something a little different for my next trip. Argentina seems like the obvious choice, so here's my questions:

1. Please give me some feedback on the Marriott in Buenos Aires (ie, do they allow you to bring girls to your room, how's the location of the hotel in relation to all of the good spots)

2. What are some good alternatives to the Marriott if they have too many restrictions and the location of the hotel is too far from all of the action?

Again, I'm just now looking into Buenos Aires, so this place is completely new to me. I'll gladly exchange information though, if there's anything you may want to know about Rio. Thanks for any feedback on my two questions!!

Dick for Brains

12-30-03, 01:00

Patricia from Jackson's Personal site:

Wanted to report on some time I spent with Patricia. Arranged the appointment through Roxana. Patricia arrived promptly for our 7pm appointment.

Patricia is a delightful woman, with a great attitude. Not classically super-beautiful, but I found her quite attractive for my tastes. She's a very young looking 31, great sense of humor, very happy to please her man.

Attitudes 99% of the game. We showered, talked, kissed. I went down for dinner, she provided a nice bbbj, followed by cowboy for a nice ride.

Some more conversation afterwards and off she went. A hassle-free delightful hour and a half all arranged by Roxana for a mere $10 service charge and $150AR for Patricia.

What more can a vacationing monger ask for?

DfB

Hobby Fan

12-30-03, 01:57

MoonDog:

Yours is among the very best input on the pricing and approach to (temporary) relationship subject. Thanks. Your approach is better for the guy, and the girl. Lesson learned. HF

Jaimito Cartero

12-30-03, 02:01

Well, perhaps I'll try Moondogs method once or twice the next time I come to Argentina. That's the nice thing about WSG, even if you think you absolutely have the best method, someone may come up with another that should be tried too. I personally just don't like the scene in the morning, or putting up with BS.

MoonDog

12-30-03, 02:27

Hobby Fan,

Thanks for the nice words. The real test will be in Black. Think I will try it there next week. :)

Moondog

MoonDog

12-30-03, 02:32

Bizznich,

Allthe hotels are friendly, just plan on registering the girl. The Marriott is located very nicely, and the cabs to Recoleta are very inexpensive.

Moondog

Dick for Brains

12-30-03, 02:40

Salome - the boliche, not the Guemes 3221 girl.

Want to report on some of my experiences of some of the more obscure boliches I visited during my two week stay in BA. These visits included Salome in Barrio Norte, Oro 2280 near my hotel in Palermo, Puerto Colon a little off of the core activity in Recoleta, and another boliche on the same block as Puerto Colon on the same side of the street whose name escapes me.

I’ll focus this report on the first of these more obscure boliches, Salome. An Italian alcoholic (Edward) whom I met while drinking orange juice at a Brazilian café in Palermo Viejo on a Wednesday afternoon recommended this place as “the best place to find women in all of BA.” I thought I’d give it a try and walked there after a concert at Café Homero in Palermo Viejo. It’s a much longer walk than I anticipated, but I do enjoy walking and exploring new places, especially late at night. It adds a little to the excitement of the trip. (One guy whom I asked how far it was to Billinghurst responded that it was about eight blocks away and then immediately asked me if I were Jewish. When I told him that I was, he responded that he was also. I found this pretty odd and an interesting tidbit I would have missed had I taken a cab.)

Salome is a boliche really designed for middle class portenos. There’s no entry fee, and drinks were only around 10 pesos (though my memory is fading a little on this.)

One thing to watch out for in this boliche, however, is that there are two types of girls: the sweet and innocent looking ones are camareras (waitresses) and will not go home with you; and the salones – the ones who will. Often one is seduced to buy drinks for one of the innocent ones only to subsequently learn that she is not for take out.

Another thing to watch out for when buying a drink for a salone is that the bartender will often not ask for the money on her drink immediately. INSIST ON PAYING IMMEDIATELY. On more than one occasion, a chica/bartender tried charging me for more drinks than were offered/drunk.

In Salome, there’s an upstairs room where one enters and which is fairly crowded, and a downstairs room for dancing. I found it fairly easy to strike up a conversation downstairs, dance with a girl, flirt and make out with her for a decent amount of time all for the price of a drink.

I found it difficult to choose who to take home and finally settled on a cute 20 year old east-european-looking girl. We agreed on 150AR for 2 hours, hailed a cab, DFK’ed pretty intensively in the cab to the hotel and in the elevator cab up to my room.

After undressing, we showered together and I gave her a thorough cleaning and inspection. I’m not overly fastidious myself but prefer to clean my girls just as a way of getting a good look at all of her parts, to make sure there’s nothing untoward. Good thing, for on this one I saw some pink dots under her pubes that caused me some concern.

We finished the shower, dried up. I told her then that we couldn’t continue cause I saw something around her genitals which I was a bit afraid of. While I don’t know first-hand what herpes looks like, my guess was that this was it. She assured me that she only had an allergic reaction to the polyester in her panties and had visited a doctor about it. She seemed totally honest about it, but I really didn’t feel like taking any chances. She said that she understood, was totally confident that it was only an allergy, but understood my position.

She asked me if I wanted her to leave. We finally agreed that I would pay her 75 pesos, we would not have sex, but we made out and she gave me a HJ ending.

I think this was a reasonable outcome given the situation. Curious what you guys would do in a similar situation?

Reports on the other boliches to follow.

DfB

Sterling V

12-30-03, 04:21

I stumbled onto Moondogs approach and now I swear by it. One night in Rio I took a girl out of a club who had a great attitude. No mention of money was made by either of us. Things just flowed. The next day I discreetly tucked the money under her purse.

We had a great time and she even stopped by my apartment the day after and left a "thank you" card for me with the doorman. Nice touch.

Sterling

Mojokpr

12-30-03, 05:10

I like and use Moondog's path for meeting ladies in BA, and get great results. I typically go into a club, get a drink, and let the first few ladies run over to meet and get that out of the way. The first few can be the most aggresive and least impressive later. I then have a chance to look around and see who is there. I like the GFE type better, and like to spend time with a lady, so holding back and waiting seems to let the less agreesive ones stop by. I've found that spending a little time with a lady before opening negotiations will probably get you a better number up front. I let them mention it, and if it is acceptable, that is the last time it is mentioned. I don't pay up front, but I don't talk about it. It's never been a problem yet.

I find that most of these ladies just want to be with someone that is nice to them and safe to be with. They may have limited opportunities and that's why they are available, but they still want to be treated courteously and treated like a lady. If you do that, you won't have problems. They will forget about the time, probably stay all night, even though you mentioned just several hours (except the moms) and see you for nights out on the town dancing, etc.

You can exponentially increase your traveling experience if you like doing more than visiting museums by having afternoons and evenings out with fun and beautiful ladies, maybe meet some of their friends, go to new places off the tourist track, all by being nice to them. (and learn a little spanish, too)

CityDude

12-30-03, 08:11

As moondog mentioned most hotels are chica friendly. You could also try hotel etoile in Recoletta. Since you mentioned marriott, I'd gather it's about points :); Marriott is more expensive than others.

MoonDog

12-30-03, 15:03

Mojokpr.

All good points, and all true.

Moondog

Mad Max

12-30-03, 20:22

Good reporting.

My 2 pesos, how to be a cheap bastard

I always want TLN. I let them know that up front. If they can't because of kids, boyfriends I'd rather know up front.

I never bring up money, I let her. We both know the going rate.

I never let on that I understand as much Spanish as I do.

I never bring up leaving the club, let her.

I usually spend quite a bit of time in the club with her. I am not afraid to buy drinks. A little now could save a lot later. If she is too pushy or too hurried in the club, walk.

If the chemistry is right the sex should be also.

I do not push them into doing things they don't want to do.

I always treat them like I would treat a girlfriend. They can feel the difference.

If I have done all these things properly, they ask me for a second date. I won't go back to the club to get them this time though.

The second date usually includes dinner (have to eat anyway) and a small thinking of you gift. Usually that seals the deal.

I have never paid more than twice for any girl. If they still want money after that, I won't go. (ok once I paid three times because it was so good)

Right now I have 5 girls giving it to me for free. 3 in BA and two in Brazil. One of them even brings me presents. Of the 50 or so girls in the last few months, 10 %...not too shabby.

I'm not bragging, I'm nothing to look at, and I come up short in a few areas (maybe they feel sorry for me).

Most of all these girls just want to be treated like they are appreciated and respected, and like you are really interested in them as a person not just a cum bucket.

I do tend to lose 1 or 2 a month for various reasons. Half the fun is looking for replacements. It's a tough job, tough life, but I'm glad it's me doing it.

Mad Max out.

Dick for Brains

12-31-03, 02:12

Non-core Boliches in Recoleta

About two weeks ago, on the advice of a cab driver who swore by the place, I checked out Puerto Colon at Las Heras 2435 .

Either didn't notice or my visit preceded Jackson's posting of the Bolcihe List.

There was no entry fee. Drinks were (I believe) 25 pesos for either the chica or the ******. Clearly the selection of chicas was from the B list. One woman I chatted with was pleasant enough but not enough to catch my interest.

Walked out and went to another Boliche on the same block and on the same side of Las Heras. No sign, bouncer standing in front led me downstairs to this 15 peso one drink prepaid entrance to a Boliche with no name.

It was fairly early in the evening (before midnight) and there was a roomful of young (18-21 year old) beautiful ladies. The girls were obviously colluding on price as all were asking a rate of 200 pesos for the hour in your hotel. 150 pesos was available for an hour on the premises though I was told that behind the curtain, there were no beds. Looked like the girls had potential but wasn't that interested on this particular night. Drank my 15 pesos worth of non-imported bourbon (imported was 5 pesos more), and left.

Returned several nights later for a quick visit (much later in the evening.) The selection on the second night in no way resembled the selection of the first night. Still young, just not that pretty.

If you're looking for a 19 year old stunner, go to this place early in the evening. There really is a good selection early on though I have no first-hand experience to report on.

If anyone in BA gets a chance to visit, I'd be intrested in hearing of your experiences.

DfB