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Dickhead, me Boy-o,
"Boldly going where no man has gone before....."
I think I'm looking forward to reading about your next trip almost as much as I'm looking forward to experiencing my first.
I'm crossing my fingers for June. Lord willing and the creek don't rise.
El Ricardo
01-24-03, 01:29
Originally posted by Dickhead
As per my earlier posts, paying 120 pesos per hour with two pops negotiated, or asking price of 150-170 pesos for 1.5 to 2.0 hours with two pops negotiated w/escortsbaires. That is without negotiating much at all. $100 US is way too much. Tell 'em you want the "Argentina price."
Okay DH, I'll just tell'em: "Dickhead sent me!" Thanks for the information.
ER
Originally posted by Guillermo
Hey DH, I'm trying to understand what kind of documentation a chica has to have to travel to Colonia. The guidebooks say that all they need is their national identity card. Is that what a "cedula" is? You seem to be saying that they wouldn't let her go without her passport.
I'd hate to make all the arrangements to take a chica to Colonia and then find out at the last minute that she's not legal to go.
BTW, thanks for the post on the Dazzler. Lots of detailed info that can't be found in a guidebook.
Guillermo
Sorry for the delayed response; I guess I missed this. Yes, she had a cedula, and no they would not let her go with an expired passport. I looked at the Buquebus requirements in Spanish and they seemed to say passport was required, and I told her this, and she said "no I can go with my cedula" but they did not let her. It may be that this is a requirement of the boat ride vs. a general requirement, but my research seems to indicate that Argentinians can go to Paraguay and Bolivia without passports but not Uruguay. Anyone with more info, it is appreciated.
High on Hobbyin
01-24-03, 06:26
Hi all,
I know I don’t participate heavily in the discussion. Sorry, I just don’t have a lot of questions nor can I contribute much since I’ve never made it to SA. I do however enjoy learning from all your experiences and appreciate the time and effort that goes into all those great reports.
With that said, I’m a happy man. Will be venturing to South America in just 11 days for the first time! Rio ( Feb 4-9), BA (Feb 10, 14-20) and MDQ (Mar Del Plata, Feb 11-13).
If I’ve read correctly El Ricardo, Gabriel, Dannyboy32, Jackson, myself and possibly MRLA will be in BA in February. Is anyone else going to be there and want to get together for a few nights on the town? If anyone would like to get together while down there, drop me a line at HighOnHobbyin@yahoo.com . I’ll be at Etoile in BA (except for the 10th – NH City hotel) , Costa Galana in Mar Del Plata and the Luxor Regente in Rio. I’ll try to remember to have the front desks forward any messages addressed to ‘Mr. Hobby’ to me.
By the way, Mayri stated that rooms in Mar Del Plata were tough to find for me. So if anyone's thought of visiting MDQ, don't do so at the last minute. Also the club chica selection in BA may still be a bit limited in February if all the rooms are still booked.
Warm weather + hot women = good times in BA! Gentlemen, I look forward to meeting you soon in BA (or other warm locales)!
HOH
By the way, I contacted my local health department and was told the CDC suggests: Hepatitis A, Hepatitis B, Yellow Fever and Typhoid immunizations prior to leaving. But I had checked the CDC site and didn't come up with the same list. Has anyone else ever checked? Keep in mind that I'm also visiting Brazil. Thanks.
high on hobbyin.......You do not need Yellow Fever for Argentina., probably a requirement for Brazil. Hep A and B are standard for virtually any country. A Tetanus booster, if needed would also be useful.....
OutoftheGame
01-24-03, 08:52
HOH, I will be making my first trip to BA and Rio as well in Feb. I'm staying in an Apt. I got thru Mayri. I have only hobbied in Mexico and usually don't contribute to much on those boards since most ?'s are from guys that are to damn lazy to look in the previous reports, or I don't want every Joe Blow going down there to be with one of my novias. As for BA and Rio I plan on giving back to this forum as much or more then was given by previous posters. I wouldn't mind meeting up with newbies to BA and would be willing to buy dinner for an veterens that will be in BA during this time,i.e ezy, and Jackson, hell I'd even buy Jackson a chica for the nite for giving us this great free site. So if anyone will be in BA during Feb. let me know and I'll either drop you a line or I'll just post my Apt address or phone # when I get to BA.
One last thing reguarding the HEP Vacc. and others, I have been to many parts of Mexico and have never taken these before, so is it something I have to take or they won't let me in the country or is it just a precaution? And if I did have to take these would I just go thru my doctor? Thanks for the info and I hope to meet many of you in Feb.
Ok..Listen up fellas. There are NO vaccine requirements for Argentina. Some agencies will require you get a Yellow Fever shot for your visa for Brazil. The Yellow Fever shot is a good idea if you're going to Brazil. The odds of dying from Yellow Fever once you contract it are up there. The chances of getting it are low but why take the chance??
Also, it is strongly recommended that you get basic immunizations. EVERY hobbyist out there should already had Hepatitis A and B shots. Those two are the most vaccine preventable diseases in the world. Also, highly consider Typhoid fever (which comes in a 4 pill dose if you don't like shots). Definitely update your tetanus booster. You can go to your local county health department or your doctor should have them.
Here is a good site that is free that can help advise you what vaccinations you might want. Everyone think he is superman until something happens. It's better to be safe than sorry.
http://www.mdtravelhealth.com/destinations/
Good luck all and stay safe.
Dickhead and Guillermo:
Mercosur citizens should be able to get into any Mercosur country with an ID (Cedula de Identidad or Documento Nacional de Identidad).
Cedulas expire after 5 years, so it may be possible that she had her cedula expired.
Also, legally resident foreigners can get a cedula or DNI in Argentina, but they are still foreigners (usually with document numbers of 90,000,000 or higher) so Uruguayan authorities may treat them as extra-Mercosur citizens who require passport to visit Uruguay.
Hope this helps,
Andres
Don Johnson
01-24-03, 18:15
Originally posted by elricardoTo improve my ability to communicate while I'm there (I'll do my homework in the clubs!) I'm attending a language school through an organization I've used in the past. Four hours of class in the morning for two weeks. Cost: U$S 595.00. Just a tip for those of you who in the future want to learn Spanish. The language schools are quite expensive compared to other alternatives. If you don't need a diploma, but just want to learn Spanish for everyday use, you can get private tutoring for less than half the price.
I wanted a private tutor because I hope it will be more intensive and faster to learn it that way. I found one tutor that works for three language schools in BA. She will teach me for 18 pesos an hour. For an additional four pesos she can tutor me at my
I have been in contact with other tutors that has been recommended by travellers that has offered lessons in the same price range. There is a lot of unemployment among qualified teachers, and as my tutor wrote in an e-mail, most of the language schools work towards tourists and they need to pay their professors - hence the high price level. I personally don't need a professor to teach me at my novice level.
BTW, English is not my first language, so I tend to sometimes express myself quite directly. This was not meant as any critizism of elricardo's choise or anything like that. The price he got seems very good compared to offer from other language schools I have seen. Just hoping some of you can benefit from the advice. (This should probably be a standard disclaimer on all my posts :)
The big downside to my alternative is of course that you don't meet any (potentially hot) students to hook up with :)
Saint,
best post of the month. you can never be to careful.
thanks
starfe
WARNING-This report is rated PG-13. If you are looking for strictly sex related info, plz skip this post and move on up[not to the East Side]!
W.E.B. Griffin is one of the most prolific writers of American military historical fiction, and his books normally have a long run on the NY Times Best Sellers list when they are published. A little known fact, is that 1 of his series-Honor Bound, is set in BA and Argentina during WW II.
As many of you may know, but some may not, Argentina was wooed by both the Allies and Axis powers during WW II, and some expected them to be at least a covert ally of Germany, due to the strong and powerful population of German and Italian expats living in Argentina in the 1930's.
These books covers the role of the fledgling OSS-Office of Strategic Services[precursor to the current CIA] in forestalling the German efforts to make this happen. They provide a great look at Argentine politics, as well as how Argentine society operated during this period, primarily the upper class decision makers. It also covers the districts of BA, many Argentine terms, and role of mistresses and "houses" in BA society.
There are 3 books currently in the series, Honor Bound; Blood and Honor; and Secret Honor. The 4th book in this series is expected to be released later this year. Mr Griffin is known for his authentic and realistic research for his books. In fact, he has a 2nd home located in Pilar, in BA Province, because he loves the country of Argentina as well!
His books are quick reading, and would provide an interesting alternative on the long plane rides to BA, or when you're "resting" in your room, and are recommended.
You will now be returned to your regularly scheduled sex posts!
Don Johnson
01-24-03, 19:20
According to my country's health services, only Hep A & B vaccine and a tetanus booster (if you need it= more than ten years since last time) is neccesary for shorter tourist visits to cities in Argentina. BUT for longer stays, or for "intimate or long time contact with the local population", they also recommend a typhoid (sp?) shot.
Many SA countries are strict on being vaccinated for Yellow Fever (like Brazil, but not Argentina), but as they say - for longer stays or intimate contact with the locals, considering taking vaccines for neighbouring countries will be wise.
In other words, if you are likely to fuck a brazilian or a peruvian girl, get both the typhoid (sp?) and the Yellow shot if you want to be 100 % sure.
Originally posted by Dickhead
Sorry for the delayed response; I guess I missed this. Yes, she had a cedula, and no they would not let her go with an expired passport. I looked at the Buquebus requirements in Spanish and they seemed to say passport was required, and I told her this, and she said "no I can go with my cedula" but they did not let her. It may be that this is a requirement of the boat ride vs. a general requirement, but my research seems to indicate that Argentinians can go to Paraguay and Bolivia without passports but not Uruguay. Anyone with more info, it is appreciated.
Argetinians, Uruguayans, Brazilians, Paraguayans and Chileans can travel in each other country with a national ID, that is called Cedula de Identidad or DNI or Carteira de Identidade (brazil). They don´t need a Passport. So between BA and Colonia an Argentinean girl doesn´t need passport. A Peruvian or Bolivean girl living in Argetina, probably will need a Passport.
Originally posted by Beppe
The big downside to my alternative is of course that you don't meet any (potentially hot) students to hook up with :)
Pardon me for being such a Dickhead, but may I suggest that you try to screw the tutor?
BTW I think your English is quite good and you can spell better than most of my friends.
El Ricardo
01-24-03, 22:36
Collective Intelligence is the way I think about this Forum. No matter how much I've learned or how smart I think I am, this Forum is smarter and more knowledgable than I could ever hope to be. Incredible! I think it, and all of you, are my best discovery since Argentine chicas!
That said, I am not offended by Bebe's observations about alternatives to my choice of schools. I'm still happy with the choice, and if its of any interest to people I'll give my impressions after the course. This is the third time I've attended one of these. I find the independent tutors I've used to be extremely helpful for solving specific problems, but for total efficiency of time, I find these intensive courses to be really effective.
However, this Forum isn't about language skills. Given all I've learned from this Forum, I am looking forward to my trip in February with a whole new insight to what this city has to offer.
And the main reason for writing this post: I would like to get together with any of you for dinner while I'm there. I will send HOH as he requests, and try to make contact with HOH and MRLA through the Etoile Hotel.
ER
Thoughts from the master, nibu, on the Mexico City board!
Sorry SAINt but the girls in Mexico City have a way better attitude then the girls of BA Argentina. Man When I lived in Mexico city in 98 I got the best great deals on streetwalkers and masage parlors. I sure in the hell miss Mexico City It is definetly better then BA Argentina....
DannyBoy32
01-25-03, 01:13
OT: Mayri has set me up with a tutor a couple hours a day, and it sounds great! don't want to bore ya with the details, but her and roxanne are really helpful if ya wanna brush up on yur spanish. Thanks for the invite Jackson, can't wait, and any other mongers out ther wanna hook up in february email me at danoh32@aol.com. Again thanks to everyone who contributes to this board. I'm penisily grateful : ))
Danoh
Don Johnson
01-25-03, 01:42
Elricardo,
Hear hear. I have learned so much on this forum, I am a bit concerned that I actually look more forward going to BA than Rio/Brazil (spending a month in both places, leaving in two weeks).
Dickhead, the thought has crossed my mind. :) But with my usual luck she is probably an ugly, fat bastard. If I wanted that, I would just stop avoiding mirrors right here at home.
OMG. I did a double take when I read that quote about Mexico City. I just shook my head and laughed. Hey, to each his own. Maybe it's good that Nibu likes Mexico City better.
From reading his posts it is clear that I really have NOTHING in common with the guy. I don't mean that in a negative way either. Everyone has their own tastes in girls, clothes, hotels, and cities. Personally I would never stay in a hotel that was like 40 pesos ($12 US) or whatever he paid.
I've met enough of you guys in person and emailed with enough of you to know that the majority of all men in the world would prefer Buenos Aires over Mexico City. But again, if you're into streetwalkers and the like...you might like Mexico City better. I've never done a streetwalker and I never intend to.
Good luck all.
High on Hobbyin
01-25-03, 06:29
Saint, Ezy and Beppe,
Thanks for setting me straight on the vacinations.
OutoftheGame
Making new friends and exploring in numbers together sounds good to me! In my last message I gave a rough itinerary and gave my email address. Drop me a line with your itinerary so we can plan offline and not take up space on the board.
Regarding immunizations: yes, your doctor should be able to provide them to you but may have to order them. If your insurance won't cover them it will probably be cheaper to check with your local county health department. Of course from the folks that I spent two hours with I could have caught half of what I was being immunized against. I would normally say my time is worth more that two hours, but 4 shots were $150. Yikes, wonder what my doc's retail price would have been? By the way Hep B is a series of 3 shots over 6 months.
Gentlemen, the February party seems to be growing! Add Beppe and OutOfTheGame to the list (El Ricardo, Gabriel, Dannyboy32, Jackson & myself). Hey MRLA, it's the end of the week. Where do you stand?
Has anyone ever used any of the internet girls from Gemidos? Several of the women are also on Area-Vip and Platynum, but others aren't. Just wondering if the 'others' would be of a similar quality experience as the Platynum chicas. Also wondering if all the chica's photos are as accurate as on Platynum?
Hey Guys,
I'm back. Work has been killing me. Just e-mail mayra, boy what a lady, she just comformed to me there is room at the Etolie for Feb3-11.So I'm am making my flight reseravation on monday, then get the room from mayra. Should be all set buy tues. Can't wait. If you want to get together, check the Etolie and ask for "MR Lee". Such would like to meet all you great guys, and to all, "THANKS FOR THE HELP!"
8 days to Paradise!!!!!!
MRLA
JackDaniels
01-25-03, 11:20
Yes, I think Nibu likes to budget his hotels and chicas on the low side and likes the chicas' bust size on the high side. Other than that, his posts are largely incomprehensible.
Has anyone tried Yanina from Area-Vip ? I did try to book an appointment with her but she was not available. Her pictures look amazing, like a 9 on the scale. On gallery 1, she is shown astride a motorcycle. Hmmm!
Cheers.
The reason Nibu does not like Buenos Aires is simple.
He has no class, and he likes trash.
Be sure to check out the Site Administration/Banned Users sections guys!
JamesBond69
01-25-03, 13:39
Originally posted by octatron
The reason Nibu does not like Buenos Aires is simple.
He has no class, and he likes trash.
Be sure to check out the Site Administration/Banned Users sections guys!
I did check it out. I personally can not understand how anyone could prefer a world class monger destination like Buenos Aires over a dump like Mexico City but to each his own.
Regardless, Nibu (disclosure: I met him in Buenos Aires and enjoyed his company) is a one of kind, a true "extreme" monger.
Although he's not paragraph friendly - many of his posts are incomprehensible- he certainly has his individual style and a good deal to contribute in the area of monger "roads less traveled" information. Hey who else posts on such places as brothels in the jungle of South America that are regarded as the most dangerous in the world!
HighonH:
I took a look at the pics of Yanina on AreaVip. I have to agree, they look great. The general consensus here it seems that AreaVIP is not bait-and-switch per se, but more or less the pics are not as accurate as found in other sites like escortsbaires and platynum. In many cases, the pics are touched up quite a bit. And I assume that the general level of service is not different. But I do not have actual experience in using areaVIP.
Has anyone ever rented from just outside the downtown? I'm probably gonna be staying at a place in Vicente Lopez and I havent seen any boardmembers speak about incalls to places other than the downtown, like recoleta etc. I'm assuming it can be done but will just be more costly cuz of the cab fares for the women......?
JackDaniels
01-25-03, 17:25
Re Nibu, I took a look at the Site Administration/Banned Users sections and I have put my recommendation in to him on this topic !
Slurpee - if the pictures of Yanina have been touched up, does this bring her down to a 7 from a 9 ? Still worth doing, I reckon. :)
There have been no posts recently on Sandy. I had 2 appointments with her both of which were very enjoyable and she seems to be quite a good person to be with despite my lack of Spanish and her lack of English. A very good looking lady, I reckon. I am sure Nibu would rate her way below a $10 SW in Mexico City that could be had down an alley against the wall. OK Nibu, that was just a joke at your expense - no need to respond ! :)
Cheers !
jackdaniels,
And the Sandy you are referring to would be from........what website?
JackDaniels
01-25-03, 18:12
Originally posted by Guillermo
jackdaniels,
And the Sandy you are referring to would be from........what website?
You can find her on www.platynum.com.ar and on escorts-argentina.com.
Have fun !
jackdaniels,
Thanks for the info. I am a novice at this (at least in BA!) and I'd like to get some sense of how the internet girls operate. Maybe you can help, maybe someone else can.
I see a girl on the internet, I get her phone number and give her a call. Between her bad English and my muy mal espanol, how does the deal get done? Is it just a matter of she's done this so many times before that all you have to do is give her an address and a time (which I could do in spanish) and she shows up? Or do you actually have to, like, converse with her?
In a club situation, I think it would be easier. We can see each other and if nothing else you can always revert to sign language. Hard to do on the phone.
Also, can you give us an idea of what you paid Sandy? How long were the sessions?
Thanks,
Guillermo
JackDaniels
01-25-03, 18:52
Guillermo
True, it is daunting for a novice as it was for me. Not knowing the language was a problem for me.
I used Roxanna (Jackson's friend) and I can only add my recommendation to the others already on this board. Roxanna arranged my appointments and I just had to give her the girls name and cell phone number which will be available on the web. Just tell Roxanna when and where and she will do the needful. Roxanna's fees are USD10 per appointment and it is worth specifying in advance to her if you have any special requests. She will then call the girl, arrange the meeting and call/email you back. Her email address is on this board. I think Sandy goes for 150 pesos for 60 or 90 minutes (I don't recall).
I did manage to converse with her despite my very limited Spanish and I found her attractive and quite charming too. The latter always makes for a better experience.
BTW, Roxanna is fluent in English.
Cheers.
Dancesw/Chicas
01-25-03, 18:52
Dear Amigos,
Since more and more troops of mongers are being
deployed to the Buenos Aires region, I decided to
enlist myself.
I will be arriving feb 17 with plenty of ammunition
and ready to battle the chicas.
Perhaps we all could meet for a bite/drinks before
we hit the front.
My address: jamesofba@yahoo.com
dancesw/chicas
JackDaniels
01-25-03, 19:01
Guillermo
I forgot to mention.......Sandy is quite a treat in the sack too.
Enjoy!
Cheers.
high on hobbyin.........a party ya say? I will be around from the 11th to the 21st. Tell me when and where........unpocolocoenba@hotmail.com
I ditto what Jamesbond said about Nibu. I have met him also and he is a very nice person and is just into a little different scene than everybody else.
Just because one person pays U$S 300 for a girl and Nibu prefers $15, that does not make him any less a valued contributor to this board. Regarding our hobby, we are all pretty much in the same boat.
Just curious about the chicas in BA (or Argentina in general).
As I've checked out some of the web sites, to determine the looks, beauty, bodies and general overall appearences of the BA chicas, I see quite a few with breast augmentations.
From the BA experts, what has been the percentage(%) of chicas you've dated with the medical wonders on their chest, as opposed to Oh Natural!??
Ciao
Spidy
0% enhanced tits in my experience and also most of the women there do not have big tits. This is why they all wear those push-up bras. But then again, if they are enhanced I avoid them because they are not as much fun to gnaw on (IMO, YEMV). You can just ask if you are calling them on the phone: vos pechugas son naturales o no? Also the conversion is 2.54 cm per inch so anything with three digits (> 100 cm) is undoubtedly enhanced (or she is really fat!).
Six weeks and counting.
Richard Head, Esq.
Spidy-great question! I've wondered about that myself. I prefer God's work to manmade personally.
JamesBond69
01-26-03, 00:45
Originally posted by thor
Spidy-great question! I've wondered about that myself. I prefer God's work to manmade personally.
Boob jobs are expensive in BA - over $US1,000 - and I find it unappealing and for boobs:-)
Alterations are a sure sign that you are dealilng with a professional. I avoid these chicas like the plague although I did spend the evening with one, without realizing it in advance. IMHO a woman as flat as a board is better than one that is puffed up with silicon.
My estimations:
- Many club dancers in Buenos Aires are enchanced, probably as many as 50% but dancers are usually off-limits anyway, so who cares.
- About 10% of club girs are altered; usually in the more expensive clubs like Blacks. I suspect (but don't know) that the internet girls that have been been altered are dancers past their prime.
- Internet girs - about 20%
- In general, amateurs and semi-pros are not enchanced. Buenos Aires is a long way from Beverly Hills. Thank God, it's just not part of the culture (and expensive, which is probably why it's not part of the culture.
Another question and I'm not asking this from a macho scoring perspective, as anyone can score if you pay for it.
But what's the most chicas you have had in a day and how many do you want to have in a day?
I've heard one one guy that had six girls in a day.
PS
I personally prefer only one or two at most.
EZE_Amante
01-26-03, 02:18
Guillermo,
I've met Roxanna, and I recommend her highly, she will be a great help for someone who does not speak Spanish. However, do yourself a favor, and buy or download some Pimsleur courses and learn as much as you can before you go. I've found that speaking at least a little of their language greatly enhances the quality of sessions with the internet and the club girls.
If you want to make the calls yourself, at a minimum you need to be able to give your name and address, phone number, and what time you want her to come to your hotel. I also would suggest you learn how to negotiate price, ask that she is the girl in the photo, and let her know you expect her to be on time, or you will call someone else.
I speak the language well enough, that I've always made my own appointments till now, but I am considering hiring Roxy on my next trip to help me contact the girls who have not answered their phones, or been unavailable on my previous visits. If you get Roxanna to help, she can also negotiate certain specific sexual requests you may have such as bbbj, dfk, anal, etc... This lady is very intelligent and non-judgemental, so don't be hesitant to ask her to negotiate specifics.
My dos pesos worth...
EZE :)
EZE is 100% correct and I will say that in my opinion the quality of your experience will be directly proportional to the amount of Spanish (which in Argentina, importantly, is "castellano" and not "español") you speak. Furthermore, the prices you pay (for clothes and other things, not just sex) will be inversely proportional.
Also it is very important to realize that if you can speak SOME castellano, you need to DO IT and not be shy. It doesn't need to be perfect. It isn't like the God damn United States where everyone is thinking how BAD some immigrant or visitor's English is. They will COMPLIMENT you on your castellano even if it is not very good in reality.
My Spanish is now good enough to function in an all Spanish environment but it damn sure would not be if I had not been willing to risk using it in the streets of Latin America. Yes, I have made some mistakes over the years like ordering fried grapes instead of fried eggs and yes the word they use for "T-shirt" in Argentina (remera) is only a vowel away from a word that means hooker (ramera) and yes one time in Puerto Rico I tried to order a candy bar with almonds and the guy asked me in English why I wanted a candy bar with wire in it, but you live and you learn, and they appreciate the effort.
My approach to this now is that if I come at a store clerk or hotel clerk (or anyone) with my mediocre Spanish and they come back at me with English, instead of being relieved that they speak English, I come right back at them with Spanish, for better or for worse. And if they come back at me with English again, I come right back at them with Spanish. That way we both learn.
BTW, when I was checking in at the BA airport to leave the country, the gal was fully bilingual but I just kept coming back with Spanish. I had a clear water bottle full of Irish whiskey in my shirt pocket and she said in English, "What do you have there?" I said, "Jugo de manzana (apple juice)." She said in English, "Really?" and I said "Sí." That made me decide to put it in my pants pocket instead and when I was going through the passport control the guy (he patted me down after asking permission and seemed rather embarrassed) asked me in Spanish to take it out of my pocket. I did and he asked me in Spanish what it was and I said "Jugo de manzana." I was a bit afraid that he might ask me to take a sip like they do in the US but rest assured that Dickhead can take a big swig o' the Irish without letting his eyes water or anything like that.
Six weeks and counting. Sandy (just never got around to her) and Anael (she has some new pics) are high on the TO DO list. Marta has been e-mailing me at least twice a day every day. I already have almost enough donated clothing from my friends to fill two suitcases and I plan on bringing back the maximum $800 customs exemption in leather goods to sell up here to defray my costs. Might even turn a profit.
Our very own Andresg posts both here in English and on Escorts59 in Spanish...........On Escorts59 he is described as an "Idol"..., applauded for the quality of his reports, as well as his ability to get laid 3 or mores times per day............
I have always valued his posts here, more now than ever......any guy recognized as an expert by the locals has mucho credibility...........
Way to go Andresg!!!!!
AsiaTraveler2
01-26-03, 12:05
Originally posted by johnguapo
I ditto what Jamesbond said about Nibu. I have met him also and he is a very nice person and is just into a little different scene than everybody else.
Just because one person pays U$S 300 for a girl and Nibu prefers $15, that does not make him any less a valued contributor to this board. Regarding our hobby, we are all pretty much in the same boat.
johnguapo;
I ditto the sentiment. I don't like it when someone tells me I'm paying too much .. it's my money. I also don't hold anything against someone who wants to spend less, and would never put someone down if that's what he wants. Different niches for different people. Everyone get's what they want.
JackDaniels
01-26-03, 13:19
Has anyone tried Lizzy from escorts-argentina recently ? Again I tried to fix an appointment with her, but she was not available. She looks quite elegant and quite raunchy at the same time (check put the large format picture on the bottom left). It is not possible to tell from pictures, but she does look a bit aloof and detached and doesn't have a smile. Earlier references to her on this board do not speak of her in similar terms to, say, someone like Sandy.
So any accounts of recent experiences would be interesting.
Cheers.
Yep. I saw Lizzy a few weeks ago. I posted on her I think. I saw her right before Christmas. I had an Area-Vip girl that had to cancel so I called Lizzy even though she isn't exactly my favorite "type". She has a very pretty face but I was surprised she was so tan. She had been on holiday and was very very tan. Very sweet girl that LOVED to take pictures. I got some awesome shots of her that I think look better than her pics on the website. In fact, she gave me her personal email address because she wanted me to email her the pictures. She really liked them.
Session quality was good. Only negative (and a huge negative for some of you) is that it was a partially CBJ. She has lots of energy. I paid 200 pesos for 1 1/2 hours or so. She was going to Peru the next day after I saw her. I'm not sure if she is back yet or not.
I'd recommend her. Sweet girl. Good luck.
Ezy:
Thanks for the compliments.
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Jamesbond:
I agree with you enhanced breasts statistics.
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Dickhead:
It would be better to ask "Tus pechos son naturales o no?" instead of "Vos pechugas son naturales o no?"
"Pechuga" means "chicken breast", and although it is a slang term for boobs, it may be too slang for a phone conversation.
"Vos" means "you", while "tus" means "your" for plural ("tu" for singular).
Andres
OK, got it, thanks. This is the type of stuff I need to know. The whole "vos" thing is new to me but I should have known to use the plural. In Spain "pechuga" would be breast in general whereas "pecho" would be chest (a guy's or a gal's). I did use "pechugas" quite a bit in BA and no one seemed offended. Some gal told me another word to use for titties also but I can't remember it right now.
JackDaniels
01-26-03, 16:39
Saint - thank you for the update on Lizzy.
Another one for my shopping list when I get to BA next !
Cheers.
dickhead.....referring to a woman's breast as "pechugas" might not offend anyone.......but ordering "pechos de pollo" in a restaurant , as I once did, will get quite a few laughs...in my case from my favorita and the waiter......sonrisa.......
Dickhead:
The usual slang word for boobs is "gomas" (rubber).
The plural of "vos" in Argentina is "ustedes".
In most Spanish-speaking countries, the verb tenses have 6 forms per tense (1st, 2nd and 3rd person of singular and 1st, 2nd and 3rd person of plural) which are:
Yo
Tú
Él/Ella
Nosotros
Vosotros
Ellos/Ellas
In Argentina, we use the following:
Yo
Vos
Él/Ella
Nosotros
Ustedes
Ellos/Ellas
Hope this helps,
Andres
Gomas, I haven't heard that word in a while.
Why not use "tetas" ?
Vos tenes lindas tetas !
Que tal?
Yeah, "gomas" was the word she told me. That means "tires" (like for your car) in some other places I've been. I did know about the pronouns but what I screwed up was subject pronoun vs. object pronoun. This text book I have seems to feel that "vos" is used for subject and object but also notes that the use of "el voseo" varies greatly; apparently in Guatemala it is used only to talk to little kids and is insulting otherwise. But, I had already noticed that it was not used as an object pronoun in BA so I screwed that up.
I learned traditional Castillian Spanish with the vosotros back in high school but later classes I took in college the teachers were Latin American and vosotros was not used. One was from Chile and it sure seems like the other one was from Argentina but she never said anything about "vos." I learned about it from a Portenya friend of mine and so I tried to use it down there when I could remember. Vosotros is only used in Spain as far as I can tell (and only with friends; they use "ustedes" as the formal form); Mexicans use "ustedes" for both familiar and formal plural as do Puerto Ricans. Plus most of the time I spent in Spain was in Barcelona and the first language there isn't even Spanish.
So, I'm all screwed up but I get by. I'd rather live in Latin America and eat chicken chests and fried grapes and candy bars with pieces of wire in them than live in the US. And, if I have to suck on some chick's car tires, I guess I can live with that too. Marta is trying to help me improve my Spanish but the problem with her is she can't spell very well so I don't always quite get what she is trying to correct me on in her e-mails.
6 weeks and counting. If I wanted to just do the on-line part of my job and blow off the rest, I could make $18,000 a year tax-free and I could do it from BA no problem. I am very tempted. I have a free (well, not free but previously paid for) place to stay in Méjico for a month this summer and I think I will go down there and really hammer on the fluency. I could probably live better in BA on $18k tax-free than I can live here on $32k paying taxes and I KNOW I'd get more pussy. S'pose I could make some chump change teaching English down there as well (I do speak that language pretty well).
Some general info and updates:
Word on the street (metaphorical and literal) is that there are many more free-lancers in EZE tryng to supplement to support out-of-job relatives and family members.
Many of the chicas are contemplating -
1. Silicone /Saline tansplants
2. Get a visa to US so that they can make faster buck.
3. Long-term arrangement a.k.a time-shares LOL
I have seen some chicas return either with different names or changed profile - Which is fine, only when I detect smoke in their hair and/or clothes, I have to hold my breadth or take a strong swig of Jamesons.
I think flying a free-lancer non-hardcore chica for a whole week EZE-LHR-EZE is a very cost-effective value proposition, or EZE-CDG-EZE, atleast for me.
If you'll do not mind smoke&silicone, a value gal is 'Ada' from platynum - She is very enthusiastic for a few hours of romp; anywhich way you can for A$200.
EZE_Amante
01-27-03, 00:04
Ezy,
You're a classic man! You remind me that to truly enjoy life, we must be able to laugh at ourselves.
EZE :)
P.S. I try to do the same thing Dickhead reported, using castellano in all conversations, even though mine is just conversational. I run into trouble with people like Mayri who are totally fluent in English, but I make the attempt. The people I've met (taxi drivers, hotel clerks, waitresses, chicas etc...) have all been complimentary even though I know my command of the language is limited at best. It seemed to me that they respect someone who at least makes the effort to speak their language while a guest in their country. I'm just glad they are not as demanding and arrogant as we are to our visitors from foreign lands when it comes to speaking our language.
About US visas for Argentine chicas:
I deem extremely difficult that a chica get a visa from the US Embassy in Buenos Aires, unless she provides:
- Proof of funds for a trip to the US.
- The last 6-month salary stubs from the employer
- Proofs of links to Argentina that convince the embassy officer (foreigners should convince officers that they are elegible for a visa), for instance title of ownership of an apartment or house, bank account statements, etc.
Embassy officers reported (I believe in December) that 17% of the tourist (B-1) visa applicants are rejected, most of them young people between 25 and 35 years old.
The visa application fee is US$100, plus ar$26 of a special phone call for setting an appointment with the officer. If a chica ask you money for applying for a visa, US$150 should suffice for the errand.
Hope this helps,
Andres
El Ricardo
01-27-03, 04:07
Originally posted by iseki
E R
I am interested in the language school you mentioned as one day I would like to use that as an alibi to visit. I have been studing here to learn the ropes and find it to be wonderful, thank you all. All the info you wish to share will be appreciated.
Iseki,
Sorry, I missed this post of yours. I'm happy to tell you anything you want to know about the school I'll be attending. Probably the easiest thing to do is go to Amerispan.com and read the information there. Afterwards, let me know what other questions you have and be happy to answer them. This will be the third time I've used this service: once before to Costa Rica, and once to Cordoba. I attend schools like this because I've run out of classes offered by the local college in the evening.
When we finished the last evening term at this college, a small group of us hired the instructor to tutor us and take us to the next level. That wor rked for about a year. After that, I ran out of choices for continuing to learn the language. I now work with a tutor here at home 1 or 2 times per week. So, I am trying to use a school like this a couple of times a year to keep developing. Don't yet know when "enough is enough" and I call it quits and move on to another language. Probably when I get tired of the chicas!
ER
Jackdaniels:
so is Sandy enhanced? She seems to be.
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So no one has any experience with being just outside Capital, and still getting visits from the internet girls from platynum and the like?
About the language, I find that its better the more you speak spanish for situations like the amateurs. Like DH's posts, speaking some spanish gives the chance of some of that actuion, with girls not full time providers.
RE: Requirements for Visas for Chicas to visit the USA
Adndres writes:
- Proof of funds for a trip to the US.
- The last 6-month salary stubs from the employer
- Proofs of links to Argentina that convince the embassy officer (foreigners should convince officers that they are elegible for a visa), for instance title of ownership of an apartment or house, bank account statements, etc.
And there is more.....proof of employment from a boliche will not work......no visas for prostitutes....
A personal note: My favorita was rejected for a visa awhile back She has funds in her bank account, owns her own apartment, but could not produce salary stubs......Maybe I will provide her stubs in the future.........6 months of salary stubs signed by one " Sugar Daddy." Wonder if this will work?
High on Hobbyin
01-27-03, 09:32
RE: VISAs
What about a Wedding Visa? I believe they're good for three months. The only problem being if lets the visa expire and disappears to become an undocumented worker (pronounced 'a
pro'). Also it probably would probably cast an unfavorable light on your future requests as far as the INS is concerned.
A little help
I've been trying to locate a post from a while back regarding a mens club in downtown BA that had masseuses. I believe Saint or Uncle Otto may have been the poster. Believe this past summer. Have had no luck searching the forum with club, spa, massage and businessmen. Does anyone remember anything else about this place (name, location). Thanks.
10 February, Dinner and Club Visits
MRLA’s Farewell night. We hope to send MRLA off with a bang! Hopefully a big one that’ll leave him with a big case of PT-BAS Withdrawls (Post Traumatic Buenos Aires Sex Withdrawls).
14 February, Valentines Day Dinner with Dates
OutoftheGame has suggested this holiday themed dinner similar to the Thanksgiving Day dinner. Elricardo believes Valentines day is not celebrated in Argentina. So, if you plan on attending and would be giving your gal a Valentines day Gift buy before you leave he suggests. Afterwards, I guess we could see a show or hit a disco before going our separate ways back to our respective quarters and a long, sleepless night with our companions. Suggestions for shows have been a Tango Show or the Colon Opera House. Anyone with any experience with these?
18 February, Dinner and Club Visits
DannyBoy32’s Welcome to BA night. Also my last night in BA. No need to worry about me folks. I think I'll be able to avoid PT_BAS Withdrawls due to my "lay"over in Rio enroute to my return to the States.
High on Hobbying:
I don't know for Argentina, but for Colombian women it may take 2 years to get the wedding visa. I guess that Americans losing their fiancees may have to pay several thousand Dollars on fines to the INS.
You may be searching for Colmegna, the spa located at Sarmiento St at the 800-900 block. They usually advertise at Clarin, and may have an ad at Paginas Doradas (the local Yellow Pages)
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Ezy:
Unfortunately, immigration officers at the US Embassy are used to have whimsical attitudes. They may grant a visa to someone they like but lacks some documentation and deny it to, for instance, a 65 years old executive with more than enough proofs of his roots in Argentina.
That said, and taking into account the high number of requests processed every day, I guess that dressing salary stubs for the chica's visa may work, but nothing is for sure (even if you actually hire them!).
Hope this helps,
Andres
High on Hobbying,
Yes, I first posted on Colmegna back in April I think. The address is Sarmiento 839. Some of my most relaxing days have been spent there. It's great. I don't go there for sexual services but it's a good place to "recover" from the endless days of hobbying. There are a ton of spas in BA:
http://www.ambitoweb.com/servicios/antesdecomprar/spa_dir.asp
But Colmegna is really unique. As I posted before. This place is like 107 years old. It's been in the same family all this time. Many, many, many politicians come here during the day. One day Duhalde was there. You'll notice that at the front door there is an armed police officer with a bullet proof vest on. (That's to protect the politicians that come here).
You can get sexual services (not sure of FS) but there is so much other action in BA I don't bother. They have pool, sauana, steam room, showers, 'relax rooms' where they have little daybeds and it's totally quiet so you can sleep. They have a sunlamp if you want to tan. They have haircuts/shaves, manicure/pedicure. I've gotten the works there before.
Entrance varies depending on the day of the week. Monday-Thursday is cheaper if I remember. I usually pay 120 pesos and that includes entrance fee + 1 hour full body massage. You are assigned a girl. You go enjoy the sauna and steam room, etc. then after you get your massage. The girl I had was amazing but she kept asking me over and over if I wanted a "special" massage. I think they make the majority of their money through tips.
One time there was this smoking hottie. Maybe the hottest women I've ever seen. Unfortunately she was assigned to another guy already. I think her name was Viviana or something.
This place has drinks and light foods so you can relax and have some water, coke, etc. Like I said...very relaxing place to go and unwind. I highly recommend it. Ask for Senso. He is the goto guy there. He doesn't speak English but he can help you with anything you need.
Have fun!
P.S. Here is the link to Colmegna's website:
http://www.colmegna.com.ar/colmegna/
Originally posted by High on Hobbyin
14 February, Valentines Day Dinner with Dates
OutoftheGame has suggested this holiday themed dinner similar to the Thanksgiving Day dinner. Elricardo believes Valentines day is not celebrated in Argentina. So, if you plan on attending and would be giving your gal a Valentines day Gift buy before you leave he suggests. Afterwards, I guess we could see a show or hit a disco before going our separate ways back to our respective quarters and a long, sleepless night with our companions. Suggestions for shows have been a Tango Show or the Colon Opera House. Anyone with any experience with these?
Recommend Tango Tango on Corrientes near the museum of modern art. I went there for a dance only show but I think on other nights they have dinner shows as well (not saying one would be better than the other). The dancing was smoking hot and really put the gal and me in the mood for sex. I don't remember how much it cost but it must have been reasonable or I would remember. The only real problem I run into in Latin America is not being able to dance. Due to this failing, we did not stay after the performance was over but there is dancing afterwards (whether this is true of every night I don't know as we went on the spur of the moment without my usual painstaking research).
DH
Five weeks and three days.
Just some of the facts on U.S. Visas.....
Visas are the domain of the State Department. INS has nothing to do with that. The Immigration code is based on the fundamental assumption that every foreign citizen applying for a visa to the U.S. is what is termed and "intending immigrant". In other words, the State Department makes the assumption that everyone in the world wants to be a U.S. citizen.
It is the obligation of every foreign citizen applying for a U.S. visa to prove to the satisfaction of the Consular Officer at the Embassy where they are applying that they will, in fact, return to their country. That's all the Embassy is concerned about. Will they go back to Argentina.
There are no hard and fast rules for proving that you are not an "intending immigrant". Obviously, if you can establish ties to your country, such as property ownership, employment, family, etc., that is a big plus in your favor. But the final decision rests with the Consular official at the Embassy and he/she has complete and total discretion over the final decision. There is no way to know what they will decide.
You can try for a K1 visa (fiance), but it is a very long and involved process that will require your involvement. The woman would have to undergo medical testing for tuberculosis, etc., and you would have to file an affidavit of support promising to take care of her financially. There is no penalty if you don't get married. However, the 3rd or 4th time you try that, it will most certainly be denied.
There are also political factors that go into the decision making process. Ambassadors are political appointees. If the current administration has decided that they don't want any more people from Agrentina, no one gets a visa, no matter how much money or property they may have .
Hope that helps,
Guillermo
Seems like it's a good thing I don't really give a shit one way or the other whether my friend can get a visa or not! If so fine, if not fine.
Guillermo is 100% absolutely correct about the process. All they care about is that you will return. You know what? Most wouldn't. In fact, last year some 90,000 citizens from Argentina never went back home after their visa expired, accordingly a an article I read.
It's all in who you know sometimes too. I know several girls that either know someone at the embassy in BA or Brazillian girls in the embassey there that got visas for them. Or that were clients of theirs. Probably not smart risking their job for a chica but men have done dumber things in life.
Also, something that most citizens there don't think about is that life in the USA is not so easy. Everyone around the world thinks they can just come to the USA and it's paradise. I've talked to several locals that thought that. They thought they could go to Miami and find a great job and become rich. They didn't stop to consider that they would have to have 3 or 4 shitty jobs just to pay their bills. Some of them moved back to Buenos Aires.
valentines day....I was in Argentina last year on Valentines day....I am a little fuzzy on the details, since I did not have a valentine at the time, but I think I recall seeing candy for sale for as a holiday gift for your pareja...but maybe I just dreamed this.......Andres????? help us out her......is there a Valentine's day or something similar in Argentina?
Hey Guys,
Guess what I just got, my plane ticket to BA. Man I did not think I was going to make it because of work...I can not sit still. Plus the peso was up to 3.26..As my pal Saint would say "LIFE IS GOOD, VERY GOOD". I hope to meet as many of you as I can. I will be at the "Etolie" from the 3rd of Feb. to the 11th. Just ask for MR Lee.
Can't sit still.............6days to Paradise...
And once again to the whole board,"THANKS FOR ALL THE HELP!"
You are all just a bunch of great guys.
MRLA
Ezy:
As far as I know, there is no such thing as a "Dia de los Enamorados". Some businesses advertise for 2/14, but people take it as a commercial cliche (you will find something similar during Haloween).
What couples use to do is to celebrate anniversaries dining out.
Andres
Thanks for all the info on the "silicone" scene in BA. I would have hated to trek all the way to BA to find silicone chicas, when I could have just as easily, gotten this here at the local "corner store".
Just the way I like it. O' Natural!!
Ciao
Spidy
Guys,
I arrived in BA today and would be interested in hooking up with any of you interested in having a new monger tag along. I have tried the internet and am interested in going to a few clubs--
What is the address of Blacks? Thanks for your help- email :nuc1111@aol.com
High on Hobbyin
01-28-03, 05:57
Saint, Andres and Dickhead
Thank you gentlemen! And also a huge thank you to the entire "board of (recreational) directors". Your previous explorations have fueled both the imaginations of myself and my fellow February mongers. I was checking my email and I reading things like 'hey, count me in on Colmenga Spa!'. I suddenly realized my fellow February Mongers had visited on the board and I was behind the pack info wise, damn!
I'm going into 'fly on the wall mode as I'm busier than h-e- double toothpicks trying to finish up all the loose ends in my life before I depart this weekend for that place in this world where life is good!
I hope to contribute something new or worthy of the board soon!
ciao!
Hey Guys,
Well I'm ready , out of here sunday the 2nd. I remember, reading when Jackson, Saint, and others got together, they would meet each night at the bar in the Etolie hotel at 9:oopm. So as I am staying at the Etolie, I have an idea that anyone who wants to get together meet at the hotel bar at 9:oo each night. Have a drink, tell stories and either hit the clubs, go eat, or what ever. You can ask for me at the desk, "MR LEE"..Can't sleep to EXCITED. Hope to see you all. Be Cool!
MRLA
Amantelondres
01-28-03, 14:42
H E L P !!!! Desperately need phone number of Cafe Orleans to make contact with chica as phoning her mobile from abroad isn't possible due to the type of phone she has. He who sends me the number will be rewarded with her name and i guarantee you won't regret it !!!!! Thanks guys
You're probably having difficulty calling her cell phone because there is a surcharge to call call phones in Argentina, and many LD services aren't set up to pay for and bill you for the additional cost for these calls. I would suggest that you go to www.nobel.com and buy a $20.00 phone card. They have ones that are specifically setup to call Argentina cell phones, and you can get the access and code numbers by email within a few minutes.
Jackson
High on Hobbyin
01-28-03, 15:22
Tedwest
Shortcut for numerous club addresses. Go to http://www.trampitas.com/ click on Night Clubs.
OttoGraham
01-28-03, 18:46
Highonhobbyin,
Colmenga Spa is a great place, no doubt. In fact I will be there this week, will post an update on my previous descriptions.
Not planning on any special services, though, a good massage is better than so-so sex.....
As for you new guys down there now, MLRA, etc...:
POST SOME EXPERIENCES! The thing that bothers me most of all about this board is that so many posters read, or post something to the effect that "Hey, I'm here and I'm so happy!" But then they don't post anything that the rest of us can utilize.
I'm not saying I want names of your girl, or details of whether she swallows or not, but the locations of clubs, the availability, good places to eat or just hangout - all that stuff should be posted by you when you're on your trip or when you come back!
[Steps down off of soapbox]
Uncle Otto
(BsAs bound.....)
Otto:
Believe me, I would like to meet you but I'm stuck right now in frozen and Puritan New England.
At least Samuel Adams is a good beer...
You can contact me by mail about the taylors for the chicas-sailors. It's my user name at hotmail.
Enjoy the trip!
Andres
JamesBond69
01-29-03, 00:37
Originally posted by andresg1967
Otto:
I'm stuck in frozen and Puritan New England.
Why would you live in a Puritan society?
Most of the mongers on this forum are Americans and have little choice:-)
eze_elgordo
01-29-03, 01:18
Sensual Baires?
How reliable is this site for setting up sessions? I saw some comments about bait-and-switches and fake photos.
Many of the photo sections for the girls have messages like this:
All XYZ's pictures, were taken
at the Hotel Nuevos Vientos by sensualbaires.com
Then there are others that say this:
All XYZ´s photos, were provided
by her to sensualbaires.com
Has anyone experienced bait-and-switches or fake photos even with girls whose advertisements had the former type of message (i.e., where Sensual Baires says they actually took the photos themselves)?
It seems that there is a fair amount of honesty about being dishonest. For example, Platynum seems to mark ads where the pictures are fake with a "*".
Thanks very much.
Saint, Jackson, Moondog, SFHombre, UWPhoto, and other respected BA veterans: a burning question!!!
I was persusing the Platynum site today and lo and behold I spied a fabuolus creature to whom I had never set eyes on before.
ELENA ! ! !
Please tell me--has anyone had the pleasure of sampling Elena's fruit?
Have never heard her mentioned before. WHAT A KNOCKOUT!
High on Hobbyin
01-29-03, 07:44
Uncle Otto,
Thanks, looking forward to your update on Colmenga.
By the way MRLA isn't in BA yet. But here's a list of who'll be in BA very soon:
Board Members....Dates in BA.........Accomodations
OutoftheGame.....7-18 February.....Apt: Palermo
Elricardo...............7-24 February.....Apt: Puerto Madera
DannyBoy32.......18-27 February.....Apt: Recoleta
MRLA....................3-11 February.....Etoile
Ezy.....................11-21 February.....Apt: Recoleta
Dancesw/chicas..17-?? February
HighOnHobbyin...10, 14-19 Feb.......NH City Hotel, Etoile
JustPlainFred.......19 Feb–11 Mar
Note: JustPlainFred is new to the board. He tried to sign up, but says he hasn't received his password yet. (Jackson, did the virus over the weekend cause you any problems by chance?)
Two more quick questions:
1) Is the water (ice) in BA safe for our Gringo stomachs?
2) Do most hotels and restaurants still accept credit cards? Just want to be prepared in case they don't.
Add me to the list of going to BA. I will be there Feb.21-24. I don't know about my accomodations, but I'll probably book at Hilton, or Etoile- close to the action.
I'd be interested in meeting up with the guys who will be around those nights. I've been in BA 3 times already (visiting the gf) and want to see new places.. Hopefully some of you can show me new places..
high on hobbyin,
1- yes, the water(ice) is perfectly fine and I haven't had any problems. But what do I know, I'm not a gringo.
2- Most restaurants and hotels do accept cc, as most retail establishments. Don't worry about it.
Originally posted by High on Hobbyin
OutoftheGame.....7-18 February.....Apt: Palermo
Elricardo...............7-24 February.....Apt: Puerto Madera
DannyBoy32.......18-27 February.....Apt: Recoleta
MRLA....................3-11 February.....Etoile
Ezy.....................11-21 February.....Apt: Recoleta
Dancesw/chicas..17-?? February
HighOnHobbyin...10, 14-19 Feb.......NH City Hotel, Etoile
JustPlainFred.......19 Feb–11 Mar
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Count me in, just a short stay.
Octatron..............6-9 February........Dazzler
I'll be at the Etoile Bar at 9:00 PM, on the 6th.
High on Hobbying:
Water and ice are safe. They may have too much chlorine for some tastes, but it is suitable for drinking (you shouldn't get amoebas or Mexican E. coli)
Hope this helps.
Andres
Hey guys....Having a problem thinking about anything else but BA. Anyway..Octatron, see you in the bar on the 6th, I'm the big guy 6'5" with the happy face, just ask for MR.Lee.
LA Larry,..."ELENA" is one of my first stops, I have spoken to her, but my spanish, and her english, are tuff. But we are going to get together as soon as I arrive, but will most likely use Roxanna for anything more than sex, that I 'm sure we can figure out by ourselfs. Just to mention Roxana, she is the best, and will use her allot, she is as much fun as you can have on e-mail, also Mayra who is going on vacation on the 3rd is great for the hotels. Great people.
Mayra got me, the Diplomatic Suite with jacuzzi, at the Etolie. And being a California beach bum, you know how I love the water. I plan on spending allot of time in that tub, with as many ladies as I can fit in, in 8 days. Hope to see many new friends, just stop by........
8 days to HAPPY,HAPPY,HAPPY,
MR.LA
Member #1698
01-29-03, 15:26
LA L and others re: Elena,
You guys don't retain much from these posts...check back 2-3 months and you'll see I was slathering over "Elena" at Paltynum whose pictures appeared under other names on other escort sites at about the same time...
Then middleagedguy took one for the team and found Elena to be a bait and switch...ie. who showed up was definitely nothing like who was in the photo...
But, hey, maybe "she" was away and now she's Baaack..
So, guys, please post about Elena in detail and let's get this cleared up for once and all.
'Cheers and happy hunting, Hh
It is very difficult to retain information when 99-44/100% of your brain capacity is unavailable for normal thinking due to being obsessed with pussy.
Originally posted by LA Larry
Saint, Jackson, Moondog, SFHombre, UWPhoto, and other respected BA veterans: a burning question!!!
I was persusing the Platynum site today and lo and behold I spied a fabuolus creature to whom I had never set eyes on before.
ELENA ! ! !
Please tell me--has anyone had the pleasure of sampling Elena's fruit?
Have never heard her mentioned before. WHAT A KNOCKOUT!
I took one for the team and Elena was a bait and switch and the switch was nowhere near up to the standard in the photo. Maybe you'll have better luck. See my previous post back in December.
Regarding bait and switch, as a rule of thumb in BA, and from my little experience, I guess I would say that if it is not a cell phone number, it can be a brothel or an apartment girls share, and thus you run a risk.
However, it there a cell phone number and/or a landline, then it probably is an independent and thus there is little risk.
Just my 2 cents.
there's really no risk on a bait and switch, unless you're fool enough to not discuss this (along with numerous other topics like price, what's included, etc) in your phone call.
specifiy what you want, asking if she's the girl in the photo and specifying you'll only accept the exact girl! c'mon...
pls, i mean no harm to lotsafun - i'm very glad he took one for us, and posted the info!
RE: ELENA
The real question is does she actually exist and if so--what days does she work.
The pic looks like it was legitimately taken at the offices of platynum so who knows maybe she can be had.
Worth the phone call and pointed inquiery/investigation. (Those fun bags look real!)
High on Hobbyin has already "announced" me (JustPlainFred on his list) but since I've managed to straighten out my problems getting on the forum I'll add my version.
I will be in BA for the first time from Feb. 18 until March 11. I'll be staying in both of Saint's apartments and the Etoile (don't ask :-)).
I have nothing (yet) to contribute to this board except that I can reiterate that Mayra has been a most helpful travel agent. On the other hand, I don't have any newbie questions either thanks to the many fine, informational messages that I have read. And I thank all the contributors for that.
I would enjoy getting together with fellow hobbyists. And I will make the following offer to Dickhead since our trips overlap by several days: any time we go together to a boliche I will pay your entrance fee. I think that your amusing anecdotes will be worth far more than that.
JamesBond69
01-30-03, 02:29
Originally posted by LA Larry
RE: ELENA
The real question is does she actually exist and if so--what days does she work.
The pic looks like it was legitimately taken at the offices of platynum so who knows maybe she can be had.
Worth the phone call and pointed inquiery/investigation. (Those fun bags look real!)
IMHO - My advice. Internet girls in Buenos Aires are hit and miss. You check this forum for references but still it's hit or miss, since many internet girls are out of town or in brothel girl, and few independents. You never know who will show up at the door, so why bother.
Buenos Aires doesn't have Termos like Rio. If you want action during the day you can check out Orleans or the many brothels.
Otherwise the club scene in Recoleta and downtown is fantastic. You see what you get - that's the way to go in Buenos Aires.
Hi Guys,
Just e-mailed "Adriana" at escorts-argentina, she says the girls at Platyum, split 50/50 with managers, and if the girl is not there when the call comes in, they send another girl, as not to lose the job. She says she only sends the girls that are asked for at her site. Just information. No opion. Can't sleep, talked to Roxana, she gave me directions in spanish to give to the taxi driver, can't recommend her enough, what a princess...........Pesos rate going up to 3:30/3:40....
5 days to paradise!!!!
MRLA
High on Hobbyin
01-30-03, 07:06
I'd like to believe MRLA's explanation for Elana. After all what's the use of Platynum using the blue asterisks if some of the non-asterisked photos aren't of the actual working gal either?
By the way, thanks for the answer regarding the water!
EZE_Amante
01-30-03, 07:08
My experience with the internet girls has been more hit than miss. One of the first questions I ask is are you the girl in the photo, and I make it clear I won't accept a switch. My best results have been with the girls who list cell phone numbers as well as land lines. The only bait and switch I've had was my first internet girl, and the swich was so hot I kept her anyway. Since I've been asking about the photo, I've gotten the girl in the pic.
EZE :)
EZE_Amante
01-30-03, 07:13
MRLA,
Good luck with the multiple ladies at the Etoile. I've stayed in a Diplomatic suite, and I loved the jacuzzi, but they have been pretty strict about their one guest at a time policy lately. I tried bribery, begging, and even offered to pay more up front to allow more guests, but it didn't work. I've read posts from guys who have gotten around it, but I had no luck.
EZE :)
Platynum.com
When in doubt, consult Adriana, the Webmistress. She is a very honest woman and wonderful human being. The girls on her site are independents (www.escorts-argentina.com, not to be confused with escortsargentina.com, platynum's mirror site).
I have had some great experiences with Platynum chicas, but some not so good experiences as well. Pix of chicas with the brick wall in the background are legit pix, but if the chica whose pix appear is just one of several who work with the same group you may or may not be seeing the girl who shows up at your door. Communicate clearly that you will send the girl back if she is not the one in the picture, and be true to your word.
Never used her, buy Roxana sounds like a good resource to help with screening even if you speak Spanish.
El Ricardo
01-30-03, 12:48
I agree with ezy: the webmistress (Adriana) has always been the best in my book (taking nothing away from people like Roxanna and Mayra). Some time ago, I read others remark about Adriana on this post, and tried her myself. I went to dinner with her, and found her to be delightful, candid, and a knew the girls well. Whenever I send an e-mail to her, I get a response (generally the same day.) She told me the same thing about the Platynum kickback reported by MRLA...but I didn't know about the 50/50 split. WOW! What confuses me about this, is that some girls appear in both locations and with the same telephone number. The confusion for me is that Adriana claims there is no split through escorts-argentina.com...how would anyone know where you obtained the information for contacting the girl? What I mean by this is that in general when I contact one of these girls I call the number and talk to her first (generally she's the one who answers the phone...if it isn't, I lose interest and move on.)
MRLA and High on Hobbying
I will be in BA on the 7th. I will show up at the Etoile at 9:00 pm for the Board Meeting. I will also be there on the 10th when HoH arrives. See you there. MRLA: enjoy the sun, the ambiance and maybe the chicas!
Restaurant recommendation (in Puerto Madero): Katrine Avenida Alicia Moreau Dejusto 138. Flight attendant friend of mine travels there frequently and its been very popular with the flight crews. I haven't tried this one personally, but in general have not been disappointed at any restaurant in Puerto Madero. The reason I can't remember a particular name, is that I either just show up at my normal dinner time and can walk in because I'm far to early for the normal Argentine dinnertime, or I let my companion choose her favorite spot.
Looking forward to seeing you all in BsAs. I have to smile when I read these posts about our thoughts being pre-occupied with our anticipated time in Argentina. Its difficult when I'm only devoting 66/100% of my brain activity to conducting the rest of my life and perparing for the trip!
see you there!
ER
elricardo,
Have you tried Cabaña Las Lilas o Estilo Campo, both are steakhouses in Puerto Madero and by far the best places I've been to in BA. Cheap too ! Cabaña has a t-bone for $24 pesos and it's increible..well, after the lomo.
Anyway, who's going to be around bet. Feb 21-24 and where are you guys planning to meet. Let me know.
Email me.. elvisp76@yahoo.com.ar
Has anyone visited the famous antiques fair in BA on Sundays? I was planning on checking it out in a few weeks while passing through.
Any ideas on how you ship stuff back to the US if I should trip over, say, Evita Peron's bed?
BB
El Ricardo
01-31-03, 03:19
Elvis,
Yes, now that you've written them down for me, I do remember that one of the places I dined with Adriana was Estilo Campo...I think that's the one right next to her office (Alicia M. de Justo 1848). And yes, it was very good and for the three of us (my date as well,) it was around 100 pesos! And we just walked in without reservations (~8:15 pm)
Thanks for the reminder.
ER
ps I'll be there on the weekend of the 22nd/23rd. We could arrange to meet at the Etoile at 9:00 pm as others have suggested.
All my bags are packed I am ready to go.....I am leaving on a jet plane, Oh mi amor I am sooooo ready to go! Hey, I am pumped 34 days in BsAs. I have read the forum and trolled the internet sites untill I am blue in the face as well as my nuts! I feel like I know 150-200 internet chicas better than any of my x-wives! I can even cross refernce their names from one site to another by wrote memory. Hell, I know if "Lydia" from Platynum has loaned her boots and panties to "maria" from Gemdios for a photo-op.
God I see BsAs as a huge Disney Theme Park, Like "Snatch-World, "Pussy Lagoon", or "Blow-job Mountain ( no wonder Walt had his self put on ice!) .
I 've tried to be a good steward here and glean as much as I can from the forum. Ezy, Jackson, Andres, Jamesbond69 and all you veterans, you truely are the captains of the information industry as well as the gaurdians of good taste!
I have been studying my spanish with a renewed vigor these past few days, and I think I can blurt out the following phrases;
1 " No I am an old timer down here and I qualify the lower rates."
2 " Wench bring more grog for me and the men."
3 "My aunt has a green pencil box."
4 "Miss, would you mind if I hiked a pillow under your ass, I've got a cramp in my neck and tongue."
5 " No, Dickhead is not Hugh Hefner's illegitmate love child, he is just a very cool Irishman."
6 "God I think I could stare at the top of your head all day long sweetheart.
7 " Ok Esmeralda it's your turn to spank the monkey for awhile."
8 "I think your all mixed up WSG and MSG they are two different things; will come to think of it they are both taste enhancers, it just depends on wheather your eating stir-fry or pussy!"
9 " Yes, there is a similarity between Triscuits and Lesbians the former is a snack cracker, the latter is a crack snacker."
10 "Yes I am from the United States, No I am not a war monger, I am just a plain ole 'Ho MONGER."
Well I may be plain out of my mind, or league here, but I plan on nabbing 30-40 chicas on my vacation, (if my wallet or "Russel The LOve Muscle don't fail me). I will keep detailed notes on all activites and try to post useful info on the forum.
Jackson you are a prince among men for providing the FREE website. I would like to meet up with you and buy you a shot of Argentinas finest whiskey. Hell, I 'll buy you a "shot of leg" for all the great help you have been. All you need do is name the chica and call your poison. Wishing you all a safe journey and hope to meet up with all you great mongers down in "Snatch-World"
Kind Regards,
Gabriel
Hi Gabriel,
Send me an email when you get in and I'll send you my cell phone number.
Jackson
Attention fellow mongers, rip-off alert!!! A new “Whiskeria”, 623 Lavalle, half block south of Florida. Worst attempt of near-violent extorsion, promises of free drinks, then kind of menacing, trying to charge inexistent drinks, etc. If you are handed a flyer in Florida y Lavalle, offered free drinks and chicas: .. just say no!!
Hey guys, It has been suggested to meet at the bar in the Etolie each night at 9:00pm, and their will be no problem, as I am staying at the Etolie from feb3-11. Everyone stop by and let's party, Just ask for MR.Lee. I already have my first date on Monday with "SANDY". Since Saint says she is a nice wonderful person, I wanted her to be my first lady in Buenos Aires. Hope we can get past the language, I'll try my best. I am not computer savy, but once I learn the Internet cafe ropes, you will hear all about the exploits of MRLA, if I don't figure out the computer, I'll go up on the roof of the ETOLIE and scream out to the world how much fun I am having.......But you will be informed......
3days to.......OH you know!
Be Cool!
MRLA
Gatofelix:
As many posted before, the zone sorounding Lavalle St and Esmeralda St is the most famous rip-off joint in Buenos Aires, similar to that of London's Soho.
Perhaps it would be useful to have a "Warning" directory file that alerts about these rip-off places, since not everybody has time to review the 1600+ posts.
Also, I recomend that non-Spanish speakers visiting BA for the first time avoid going to unreported bars or apartments. It would be much more convenient to jot down the name and location of the place and report it to the board before going there. This way, we would be able to explain the risks associated.
By the way, anything "free" is matter of suspection. Nobody gives things for free to unknown pedestrians.
Hope this helps,
Andres
Hey Jackson that goes for me too! I very much want to take you and Roxana to dinner not only for me, but all the rest of the guys who love this board. I arrive on the 3rd, and was thinking Tues the 4th, I will call Roxana on Monday when I arrive.Also anyone who is in town and would like to join.
Gabriel, Let's get together, I'll be at the Etolie, ask for MR.Lee, and at the bar each night at 9:00pm.
MRLA
As a general rule do the girls in the massage section of Platinum offer full service?
Originally posted by gatofelix
Attention fellow mongers, rip-off alert!!! A new “Whiskeria”, 623 Lavalle, half block south of Florida. Worst attempt of near-violent extorsion, promises of free drinks, then kind of menacing, trying to charge inexistent drinks, etc. If you are handed a flyer in Florida y Lavalle, offered free drinks and chicas: .. just say no!!
Don't take any flyers from men on Florida but if a woman tries to hand you one, ask her if she wants to fuck.
Octatron,
As a general rule, chicas will do what they are comfortable with for X $$. But they will tend do things that are less comfortable for X+Y $$. I am the same way. Just in a different profession.
Originally posted by ezy
Dickhead. You are obviously a sick pervert. This probably explains why I enjoy your posts. Keep up the good work.
Jackson
EZY is right!
Could you please pull Dickhead's reports and place them in a section called "Dickhead in Buenos Aires". They clearly show an alternative, and are classics!
Motion is hereby seconded for a "Dickhead in Buenos Aires" section.
All in favor???
Hey, if Nibu whatshisname can have a section, I figure Dickhead deserves one too.
Guillermo
I, for one, vote for the "Head" to stay as he is.
There was a REAL reason why NR has his own sections in 2 different countries, and continues to ignore them anyway.
IMHO, the "Head" is the contra NR, and should not be exiled!
However, if the "Head" prefers that, it should be his choice!
Please do not put me with the special needs group. That should be reserved for people who Really Rule.
Jon_the_Man
02-01-03, 09:16
THIS IS A GREAT SITE with good style!
I will be visiting BA for a first time and found this site about one week ago. After spending some late hours by reading your GREAT REPORTs, i decided to prolong my planned stay!!! BA must be a heaven.
So I will come to BA on 12th Feb and stay for 3 weeks. I have rented an apartment in Recoleta and would like to hook up with you, have good time and get-to-know BA!
In addition to "hoppying" i try to keep up my condition during my stay by visiting gym and playing tennis. If some of you same kind of interests or tips where to find these activities in recoleta area, would be nice to know!
Hope to see you soon!
Send me an email when you get here and I'll send you my cell phone number.
Jackson
Thought I'd share a few experiences with Platynum girls, Fernanda and Fer. They are right next to each other on www.platynum.com.ar.
I was with Fernanda two days ago. She used the name Estefani back in Nov, and got a couple of good reviews on the boards. Her attraction was she was very young looking.
She asked for 200P. I tried to get it down to 150P, but she seemed firm. Unfortunately, I forgot to specify the time.
She arrived quickly, she lives in Recoleta. She is cute and looks younger than her 23 years, maybe 19. Very pleasant, firm body, and friendly. We spoke Spanish, but she seemed to know a handful of words in English.
When she arrived, I found out that 200P is 1 hour, she doesn't kiss (unless for more money), no photo's, no BBBJ, and seemed to hide her beautiful body somewhat.
She's cute, but given some of the limitations, I'll look elsewhere.
For instance Fer, who I met at Jackson's Thanksgiving party. A couple of us spent time with her then and really liked her. I called her and we met yesterday.
She's really tiny, which I like, spends lots of time, is willing to go twice, BBBJ, photo's, no mention of money. I paid her $70 US, for 3 hours of fun with a girl that wanted to please me. I'm going to see her again, and I would recommend her to anyone that likes tiny girls, with small cute boobs.
I'd have to 2nd the recommendation for Fer. I met her at my party, but as the good host, I acquiesced to one of my guest's desires to go with her. Of course, I called her a few days later and she came to my apartment in the afternoon where she performed as described. She had agreed to 100 pesos for an afternoon session because, as she told me "you live here", but I gave her 150 in the end. I like girls that don't argue with me about the price, the BBBJ, getting paid in advance, and who don't watch the clock.
I haven't seen her since, but that's only because in BA there are just so many chicas and so little time.
Jackson
I don't think Nibu and Dickhead need to be mentioned in the same breath. Dickhead and I both have strong views on Nibu. And where he should go!
Personally knowbody would give a crap if Jackson deleted the "Nibu in Buenos Aires" section. Because that was created as a filtering containment to de-contaminant his artistic wisdom.
Just since the Buenos Aires section is now over 1600 posts. It would be nice to see some of the gifted posts to have special recognition. IMHO.
What else would be great, is possibly breaking up the Buenos Aires sections into areas like “Internet Girls”, “Bars”, “Street Walkers”, ETC
Thoughts?
Four more days…
Sorry guys,
Didn't mean to insult anyone.
I'm still fairly new to this board and am not familiar with all the water that's gone over the dam. I assumed having your own section was sort of like... a mark of distinction, now I understand it's more like being banished to the leper colony.
I do think Dickhead's posts are rather marvellous and shouldn't be buried in the general body of daily chit-chat.
Guillermo
I guess I'd better step in here and explain my strategy. My decision to create a seperate section for a specific poster is usually so that their multiple trip reports posts can retain a sense of continunity. However, in Nibu's case, I simply wanted to keep his indecipherable gibberish out of the main thread.
Jackson
Gentlemen,
I will be in BA on Feb 5th and would like to know some of the clubs to visit. I was in BA last month and went to Black and found many hotties. Can anyone give a list of comparable locations. I have been reading your posts on the Platynum girls. Are the girls as hot as they look on the web site? Or is this a bait and switch scenario? Thanks for your help Peace out!
Just read the forum. Every club on BA is described several times each.
Sorry to hear that your BA experience to date has been limited to Blacks. Buenos Aires has so much better to offer that what's presented at that over-priced foreigner trap.
Send me an email when you get here with your name / hotel / room number and I'll show you around.
Jackson
Beachboy,
The Sunday antique fair is a good one to visit - if you are into that kind of thing. Take a cab to San Telmo feria (almost all cabbies know it). It is a safe spot to visit (lot of tourists) though I found the prices to be steep. You can find a few good deals if you bargain hard. I did buy a lot of stuff - however I did not send them by mail.
Thanks Maddur,
I'll try the fair on next trip down. But since I am mostly interested in large items like furniture, it will be tricky to bring home anything. I was hoping the devaluation coupled with the state of the local economy might yield some treasures, even art perhaps.
Dboy,
If you are looking to forget who you are and where you are for a couple of hours, go to 932 Suipacha, Apt. 3C, ask for Maylen (4312-5659 or 4312-4249). Cost is 100 pesos/hr (roughly $30/hr). She is a 24 yr old blonde with an ass to die for, knows every trick and variation and is no holds barred enthusiastic. You can see her on Chicasespeciales.com.ar as "Paola," on Placeres VIP as "Melina," and as "Danesa" on Platynum. In the apt. she was introduced as Maylen, so whatever...., ask for the blonde babe with the limitless repertoire and rabbit blood in her veins. She'll bring in a girlfriend for an extra 100 pesos, negotiable, if you are into that thing. There are some other stunners on call too.
BB
Having lurked for long enough to succumb to the magnetic attraction of this board, I will be paying my first visit to Shangra La February 8-15, staying at the Dazzler. I have already enlisted the assistance of Roxana, and will show up at the Etoile at the magic hour in hopes of meeting some of the legion of discerning travellers who post here, not to mention the fabled moderator in person. Hopefully, those encountering a non-Spanish speaking total BA newbie will bear in mind that it is more blessed to give than to receive, or at least bear in mind that newbies are usually good for a round or two.
fellow mongers, I am back in the us and am missing the days in Buenos Aires. i had the time of my life. Packs of cigs for 1.8 pesos, big bottle of beers for 2 pesos and etc.. i spent three days in Mar del Plata and found it to be a little cheaper than Buenos Aires.. Only one club I found, Madahos. Pretty good and average price was around 100 pesos to 200 pesos for any girl in the club. They had a nice casino there too. It was packed in Mar Del Plata. I didn't like it too much and will not go the next time I am over there. I stayed at the Etoile In BA. Nice people. I was talking to some of the staff. they only make 1000 pesos a month but say they live well. Buenos Aires, my first impression was Blacks was the best. Sorry guys, I am wrong. Every club has gems in them. I went to Blacks three times, and after awhile, I didn't find any too attractive. And the girls want more money. They seem more fake and older there. Minimum amount of money is 100 dollars. 20 pesos entrance and 60 pesos for the girls exit fee. In every club though, I found the one or two gems and waited with patience and then swooped in for the kill. All the girls in the Buenos Aires are attractive to me. I went to the Unicenter Mall, go on the weekend, and you will see a lot of chicas. Played a lot of pool for 5 pesos an hour. Very cheap. Went to Asia de Cuba in Puerto Madero to score on some non pro's. I called one internet girl from area vip, andrea, but she wanted 300 pesos so i declined. sorry for the unorganized trip report but it was a blast. I went based on this website and would recommend it to all. Clean and beautiful city. I need to learn more spanish before I go next time. I regret not staying one more day. United Airlines was overbooked and offered 600 dollars to stay for one more night, and hotel and transfers, but I needed to be back at work.
Over and out, See you in argentina soon.
EZE_Amante
02-02-03, 11:02
I had a session with "Estefani" in November, and had exactly the opposite experience as Dboy. I agree with how young she looks, but I had arranged for a two hour session for 100p per hour, and she ended up staying 4 hours. Lots of DFK, bbbj not to completion, and a really enthusiastic ride. But then, I spent probably 40 minutes on DATY until she couldn't take anymore. Ended up tipping her 50p, but only paid 200 for the 4 hours. I also scheduled a repeat, and each time she showed up on time which is somewhat rare for these girls. I will be seeing her again next trip. I also met Fer, and I intend to see her at least once as well. She gave me her number at Jackson's party and asked me to call, but she wasn't on my list for that trip. Seems really sweet though, and definitely a spinner, just my type.
BTW, the Fernanada on Platynum is not the girl I had a session with, Estefani is a brunette, Fernanda (at least the one listed now) is a blonde with definitely a different face.
EZE :)
Well guys my plane leaves in hours, and I can't sit still. I hope the weather is good in BA, reports of Rain on internet, and here in Southern California, it's 75 at the beach. Oh well as long as the ladies are hot, I can handle a little wet......Hope to see some of you soon. And Thank's again to all.
1/2 day to paradise,
MRLA
JackDaniels
02-02-03, 12:38
Originally posted by EZE_amante
BTW, the Fernanada on Platynum is not the girl I had a session with, Estefani is a brunette, Fernanda (at least the one listed now) is a blonde with definitely a different face.
EZE :) [/i]
...but the Fernanda on platynum looks a treat - has anyone tried this beauty ?
Cheers.
Fellow BA mongers-plan to be there in April and know there are short term hotels but are there any love hotels such as VIP in Rio(specifically jacuzzi suites etc.)? Thanks
0919:
There are many good hotels ("albergues transitorios", or slang word "telo") with jacuzzi suites. In many kioscos (newspaper booths) you can ask for a "Guia de ablergues transitorios" that should costs a few pesos. This guide will provide you with dozens of "telos" addresses and descriptions.
In Buenos Aires, you will find two good ones at Independencia Av. 1500-1600 (Los Pinos is one of these).
At Cordoba Av. and Ravignani St. you will find "Rampa Car", which has some very nice suites (for ar$100 the night, not very cheap though). Usually drivers go to this hotel.
The most luxury ones are located around Ruta Panamericana and Ruta 202 (25 miles from Buenos Aires, northbound Panamerican Route). One is called "Magnum" and the other one is called "Los Jardines de Babilonia". Needless to say, you will need a car. In fact, there are a couple of boliches nearby where you can find working chicas.
I heard that these hotels provide so many toys and frebees that many people spend their session playing with them (i.e., a big heart-shaped pool with slides/sledges) instead of having sex.
Hope this helps,
Andres
Originally posted by 0919
Fellow BA mongers-plan to be there in April and know there are short term hotels but are there any love hotels such as VIP in Rio(specifically jacuzzi suites etc.)? Thanks
For a 3 hour session, there is one next to the Nuevo Estilio Boliche that costs $37. It includes a jacuzzi with a window into the bedroom. A nice facility. Meet a girl at NE and take her there for an hour of fun.
I just got done reading the Rio board. Yikes. I know no one likes talking about STD''s and HIV but I think we all need to at least think about it.
I think guys need to realize that these gorgeous girls that are offering unprotected sex are most likely offering it to other guys too. You can't be naive and think you are "the only one".
Thank god I've never contracted ANY STD's in my 5 years of hobbying. And I hope I never do. What scares me the most is hearing about people contracting diseases in the places that I go to. Some dude just contracted Herpes in Rio. Also, one of the girls in Buenos Aires that I know told me her friend in Sao Paulo just found out she had HIV.
Stay safe out there.
Saint
High on Hobbyin
02-03-03, 10:19
To everyone on this board,
Thank you for all your help! I'm now enroute to BA. Thanks to everyone who has contacted me. We've all been talking and making plans behind the scene. If you didn't contact me you missed out on getting everyone else's email address and getting alot of additional information. But you're welcome to catch up with all 13 of us:
Board Members Dates in BA Accomodations
OutoftheGame…..7-18 February…Apt: Palermo
Elricardo…………….7-24 February…Apt: Puerto Madera
DannyBoy32………18-27 February…Apt: Recoleta
MRLA…………………..3-11 February Etoile
Ezy…………………….11-21 February.Apt: Recoleta
Dancesw/chicas…17-?? February
HighOnHobbyin…10, 14-19 Feb NH City Hotel, Etoile
JPF…………………….19 Feb–11 Mar (Apt: Recoleta x2) & Etoile
JBInput@?.com…17-28 February…Etoile??
Gabriel………………. 5 Feb-11 Mar Apt: Palermo
Octatron.............6-9 February....Dazzler
Elvis…………………21-24 February….Hilton or Etoile
thecrewof45@??.com…12-?? Feb …No reservation
Standing meeting place: Etoile Main Lobby @ 9:00pm with planned evenings out as follows:
06 February, Meet at Etoile Lobby 9:00PM
WSG Post by Octatron: I'll be at the Etoile Bar at 9:00 PM, on the 6th.
10 February, Dinner and Club Visits
MRLA’s Farewell night RSVP: HOH, Elricardo, OutoftheGame & friend
14 February, Valentines Day Dinner with Dates
OutoftheGame has suggested this holiday themed dinner similar to the Thanksgiving Day dinner.
RSVP: HOH, Elricardo OutoftheGame & friend
NO: Ezy(visiting an Estancia with his valentina)
17 February, Clubs -Contact via Etoile
Email received from JBInput@aol.com. He gets into town today. He writes: dear hobby; if around for 18th, I'd like to join or maybe 17th(day I arive) leave name @desk in etoile. P.S. is this hotel recomended? Why?
RSVP: Jbinput@aol.com
18 February, Dinner and Club Visits
DannyBoy32’s Welcome to BA night. Also my (HoH) last night in BA.
RSVP: HOH, Ezy, Elricardo, JBInput@aol.com
19 February, Meet at Etoile Lobby 9:00PM
JPF gets into town. Would some of you guys still in town get in touch with him and show him the rope on his first night in town?
RSVP: JPF
21 February, Meet at Etoile Lobby 9:00PM
Welcome Elvis to BA
RSVP: JPF, Elvis
23 February, Meet at Etoile Lobby 9:00PM
Goodbye to Elvis; again, main lobby of Etoile at 9pm
RSVP: Elvis
No doubt, reports to follow! But I too read the report that Saint speaks of and am sombered back into the reality of the risks of our hobby. Be safe all!
HOH
El Ricardo
02-03-03, 11:59
I arrive on the 7th of Feb in the late morning. I intend to rest up and show up at the Etoile at 9:00 pm. Hope to see you all there!
ER
ps the 66/100% of my brain that is left available to plan this trip is running wild on the packing of clothing. Since I've not been to the clubs, I am packing slacks, sport jacket and several shirts. Is this normal attire, or too dressy? Are slacks and "polo" style shirts a better choice?
El Ricardo
02-03-03, 14:30
Do any of you have a telephone number for Gabbriela in Escortsbaires? There is nothing showing right now, and the only number I have is the 5418-6500 cell phone number...and that seems like it is a business number because of the "00" ending.
thanks,
ER
OttoGraham
02-03-03, 17:27
Hola amigos, your esteemed Uncle Otto survived his recent sojourn in Buenos Aires; thrived even!
In contast to my last series of posts contained in the separate thread, I didn't have a chance to write anything while on holiday in BsAs. So please forgive me, I wanted to concentrate my efforts into pleasuring my dangling companion (and my stomach), so I will here write a summary of the scene as I see it.
If I plow over old ground, forgive me, but I realize a lot of you readers are new to WSG and might not have the time or intelligence to go back and read through the old posts. So if I repeat myself like a doddering old fool, forgive me. So if I repeat myself like a doddering old fool, forgive me.
FLIGHTS INTO BA:
One thing I do is try to concentrate my travel onto one airline, so as to get extra frequent flyer miles. My present airline of choice is United; but since they are losing money like a drunken Uncle Otto at Black's, maybe I've gotta change to AA. Anyway, it is a long way to BA from North America and Europe, so if you fly there, be sure to get yourself a frequent flyer account to build up miles. I have found that Orbitz.com seems to have the best fares, but check around.
AT EZE:
Off the plane, through immigration. Duty free shops after immigration, before customs. "Banco de la Nacion" has a branch just before the customs check, change US$100-200 here. Be sure to get small bills, 2s and 5s. You'll be wanting to use these as tip money. If you don't ask they'll give you 100s, which are hard to break.
This is your emergency money. Scattered throughout BsAs are a number of ATMs which are my primary means of changing money. However, sometimes they don't work, thus I recommend you get your emergency stash.
Just outside customs, there are a number of stands for "remises," essentially private cars taking you where you want. I always get a ride from one of the booths. Haven't accepted trips offered by independent hawkers, just not worth the risk IMHO. Cost this time: 45 pesos (~13 Yanqui dollars). Tipped the guy who fetched the car for me. Also tipped the driver an extra 5 pesos. Before you get to the car, tell the people at the remis desk you want a car with air conditioning. (Yes, they'll understand you if you only speak English.)
AIR CONDITIONING AND GETTING AROUND:
It is hot as hell in BA right now. I compare the climate to Charleston, South Carolina. Mild but cool winters, oven-like in summer. Personally, getting around BA is best done by taxi. Taxis will have a sign on them "Aire Acondicado" (or something like that). Doh - they'll also be driving around with windows closed.... Use those. Let the ones with open windows pass by, there's no difference in price. Of course, when I finish with a fare for 3.50 pesos, I normally tip to 4 pesos. With a guy who's running the A/C, I give him an extra peso and say it's for the air conditioning.... Taxis are cheap in BsAs. Utilize them!
WHERE TO STAY:
If you're down for two weeks, I think the best thing to do is get an apartment. Of course, make sure it has A/C. It's no fun to sleep in a puddle of your own sweat, mixed in with the sweat of the numerous chicas you'll be bedding down. As for hotels, I hate the Etoile's beds. They suck. OTOH, Dazzler has EXCELLENT beds and a very reasonable price of ~US$30 a night. Highly recommended.
WHAT TO DO (respectable version):
Take advantage of the weak peso. Great bargains on custom made clothes, Lion d'Or chocolates (an excellent outlet on Puerrydon just N of Arenales), off-the-rack clothes (Santa Fe street has a great selection, plus the pedestrian malls off of Florida).
BsAs has a great cafe culture. Have a drink outside at Buenos Aires Design. Park yourself at a cafe in Recoleta. Watch the businessmen make deals in Puerto Madero.
Colmenga Spa is a personal favorite. Get yourself a manicure/pedicure/facial (NOT THAT KIND - this is the "respectable section!"), follow it up with some lounging or a swim in the pool, finish it up with a nice massage from a beautiful woman. Servicios especiales are on the menu, bring some extra pesos with you upstairs to the massage rooms if you'll be wanting these........
If you have a Spanish-speaking friend, and have a day free, tell her to take you to the Delta. There is a whole series of islands with destination restaurants served by a fleet of boats that operate out of the town of Tigre, which is about 30 miles NW of BsAs. You can get there a number of ways, one of the fun ways is by a tramline train which takes a scenic route along the river.
WHERE TO EAT:
Uncle Otto is an epicurean. I like good food, good wine, good cigars, and good company. Oftentimes in that precise order!
Piegari, which is at the north end of Ave 9 de Julio, tucked under an overpass by the Hyatt, is a pair of restaurants. One is a good parrilla, but I think the Italian version sitting right across the street is better. For my money's worth, the best steaks in BsAs are at the El Mirasol chain, one of which is right next to Piegari, another is in an old converted warehouse in Puerto Madero. With domestic wine, dessert, appetizers, you're looking at US$20 a head. What a fantastic deal! Cripes, a caesar salad in my hometown goes for US$12, ptomaine poisoning included, so you can have an idea of how much I like BA dining.
Of course most guys don't stray far from Recoleta. But I suggest you do. A couple of other ideas in Palermo are Renault Museum (Italian and terrific sushi) and Le Biblo (website: www.lebiblo.com). Prices are about the same as quoted.
WHERE TO MONGER:
Personal tastes vary here. First rule, though, is that club action is WORST on Friday and Saturday nights. The trixies spend their quality time with their boyfriends and husbands. So plan on arriving in BA on a Monday or Tuesday, I say.
Hands down, Black has the best looking women in BA. Entrance is 20 pesos, gets you a free drink. Afterwards, depends on what you drink, my Tanqueray and Tonic runs 35. Not cheap! Neither are the women!
They will start off requesting 300 bucks for an allnighter. Pay it if you're a sucker. OTOH, this is a bargain if you're used to paying for poon elsewhere. When I was there at midnight during the week, last week, there were probably 40-50 girls ranging from 7-10. Surely you will find something to your liking.
I have reported on Playwoman in earlier threads. This place is still in Recoleta, on the opposite side of the cemetery from Black. But I didn't go in this trip. I did check out Solid Gold and Madaho's. Each of them were hopping, Madaho's probably had 25 girls, ranging from 5-8, Solid Gold something similar, but more crowded with local men that evening. The tout on the corner near Madaho's gave me a "second drink free" coupon. Nothing similar for Solid Gold this time. Playwoman had something like this last time.
OK, prices in these places, well, if you're a handsome and suave Yanqui like Uncle Otto, the women will ask to bear your children for free. On the other hand, if you are a direct descendent of Jabba the Hutt, expect to pay something in the range of 200 pesos for a throw with your chica. More or less depending on how repulsive you are, how good looking she is, how well you negotiate, and how many Tanqueray and Tonics you have consumed by that point.....
All of these places don't really get going until 11pm. So eat your nice dinner at 9, hit the clubs afterwards.
One afternoon I walked (in 95 degree heat) past Orleans Cafe (on Cordoba Street, corner of San Martin, if I was not too dehydrated to remember correctly), there appeared to be some 8-10 girls waiting for company. Ranging from 6-9. A place for daytime fun, if you're wanting. Prices around 150 pesos an hour.
A place to consider: In my earlier posts I described Periplo Bar, which is on Marcelo T. de Alvear 554, tel. 4311-2885, just across the street from the Marriott. This is an Argentine businessmen's place. Dark wood interior, bartender dressed up like an Admiral of the Argentine Navy. He even thinks he speaks English! This place is reminiscent of an old-time high class bar from the US in the 1950s and 60s. My Bombay Sapphie and Tonics ran 25 each, plus some tapas for munching. However, the time to hit this place is after 5 in the afternoon, much earlier than in other places. Depending on the day, draped over the furniture you will find 5-10 ladies, ranging from a 5 to an 8. This is an Argentine place, though, so as a foreigner, the girls might well enjoy your company a bit more than you realize!
Last week I had a great conversation with a retired Colonel of the Argentine Marine Corps, this is the kind of place where you can meet local guys and shoot the sh!t. They can be a wonderful font of knowledge!
IN CLOSING:
A lot of fellows go down to BsAs to do as much drilling as they can. Good for you, but that's not my style. Neither are internet girls or unknown Clarin advertisements. Frankly, I like to look at the produce I am considering before I buy, and even occasionally to squeeze the peach to see if it is ripe! You can't do that with advertisments.
I like living up the good life, and my advices are designed to direct you to that. Feel free to post follow-up questions at will.
See you back in BsAs soon.
-Uncle Otto
Hey Otto. Glad you had fun amigo. I totally agree with your post. There is something for everyone in BA. I love Colmegna. A good place to unwind. Also, I'm sure I share your taste in women.
I also think the hottest girls on any given night are at Black's. However, the place is pricey and don't go there expecting to get a cheap "date". I like the thrill of the hunt. I like chatting up these girls. If you are patient and a handsome and charming guy like Uncle Otto then you can still walk out of Black's with a hottie for 200 pesos for short time visit. My last few times I pulled hotties out of there for 250 pesos but admittedly the exit fine is higher than other places.
There are other alternatives. I usually only go to Blacks now if the other clubs really suck. December and January were very slow for some of the other clubs. Girls are still continuing to move out of Buenos Aires to neighboring countries.
Sounds like a lot of Americans are going to Buenos Aires....that is good news to me.
Happy Hobbying all.
Uncle Otto,
Thanks for the excellent post. I haven't been to BA yet, so the more detail I can gather, the better.
I have a question about Colmegna Spa. Do you know... about how many pesos will we need for the "servicios especiales" up in the massage rooms?
Also, just exactly how much Spanish is necessary to shoot the shit with the locals in the Periplo Bar and maybe talk to these chicas who are draped over the chairs?
Do you have to be a native speaker? Is simple conversational Spanish OK? Do they speak any English?
Thanks,
Guillermo
Re: Black's
I went to Black's some weeks ago and hooked up with a very pretty little blonde. She was 23, trim figure with natural B cups, cute and cuddly as can be, a solid 8 on any scale. Sweet as a Georgia peach, great kisser. She spent the night, screwed me half silly 3 times and left the next day after lunch. I gave her US$100 and a cab fare, and she seemed pleased as punch. I promised to stay in touch and see her next time. But who knows? BA is a far away land.
That's my only experience with that establishment. Well worth the investment as she also gave me a bunch of info on her amigas, which will come in handy some day. What a girl, what a town!!
BB
OttoGraham
02-03-03, 22:29
All-day VIP entrance to Colmegna (got the spelling wrong last time www.colmegna.com.ar) runs about 150 pesos. When you get there, you need to make reservations for your pedicure, manicure, facial, haircut, etc... Or you could even call in advance. I speak enough Spanish to do this myself (two years of college Spanish 15 years ago), but Roxana could be a good person to help you with these details if you feel uncomfortable. Heck, this is what they have concierges in hotels for, too. If they do it for you, just tip them, that's all. Don't be a tight ass.
Prices depend on what you negotiate for "special services." Figure on 50-100 pesos or so. Keep in mind the massage rooms are really cubicles, not separate closed rooms. If you don't tell your masseuse you don't want special services, expect to get your scrotum "accidentially" brushed against a few times, ha ha ha.
Personally, I don't go to Colmenga for the sexual stuff; the ambience is not quite right, and I like a bit more active fun than you can manage in a cubicle!
As for Periplo, a lot of the Argies want to practice their English with you. The Colonel spoke fluent English, a nice fellow. Like most of the girls in BA, though, the ones at Periplo don't speak much English.
Fear not! They know what you want, you know what they want, and negotiations can be quite easy.........
Amantelondres
02-03-03, 23:04
Hi Uncle Otto
Great post on your recent trip. As a three times a year visitor to BA I would endorse your comments entirely especially some of my favourite haunts:
Piegari: A great restaurant, especially the Italian one.
Mirasol: The best steaks in town.
Another favourite is Oviedo (in the Barrio Norte) An excellent Spanish restaurant.
Orleans: Some very good lookers (check out Carolina...sultry Brazilian...say Miguel recommended her....and Jackson, thanks for your reply to my post and here's your reward!!!)
Periplo: The Admiral behind the bar is called Bauer...German descent...super guy. And the ladies are good quality especially around 9 pm . (don't forget to check out upstairs...more cosy!)
Roxanna....sos un amor!!
Sounds like there was some kind of skirmish at Playwoman last night. I talked to two chicas today that told me the place is closed for a few days. The manager used to be a woman that I think was the owner's wife. Not sure of all the details but she tried getting some goons to rob the place or something. Anyway, I heard it was on the local news. Maybe Jackson or others on the ground can post more details.
JamesBond69
02-04-03, 01:29
Originally posted by saint
Sounds like there was some kind of skirmish at Playwoman last night.
Probably a fight over turf.
All these places that we patronize in Recoleta and other places are tourist places for tourists. They earn a good deal of money in a down economy for the mafioso-military-politician Argentine owners.
Shampoo for example was closed because of a suspicious fire:-)
A chica friend of mine who worked there was ordered by the owner to give FS to a policeman.
This is the world we support with sex tourism, just like the American TV ads say, that when we buy drugs we support international terrorism. On some level it's true. We are all just pawns in the game.
So what do you expect if Playwoman is closed. It will re-open, as soon as one Mafioso makes a deal with another.
Life goes on.
Maybe I am just a complete Dickhead, but it seems to me that this kind of shit (Playwoman, Shampoo) could be reasons #11, #12, and #13 why I never made it to the clubs. Actually, in the two plus weeks I have been back, none of the subsequent postings have made me regret missing out on the "club scene." I don't like organized crime. I much prefer disorganized "crime"!
Saint, I wonder if your statement that you "never have and never will" do a street walker is based primarily on US perceptions: junkie hooker with pimp hiding in the background, risk of robbery, and LE never far away. None of the street girls I did were junkies and I promise you that is one thing I can tell for sure. I talk to them and look at them and I can tell, and I spent enough time with two of four to where if they were Jonesing, it would have shown for sure. The two I got to know (Karen and Maria) told me they don't share their take with anybody, and I believe them. Fact, they said that is why they DON'T work in the clubs. I don't think either of those gals would rob anybody either, although perhaps if the John were carrying a stupidly large wad of cash and acting like either a fool or a bastard maybe they would. Don't know 100% for sure and desperate times do call for desperate measures, BUT I think the same could be said of the club girls as well.
And JamesBond, yeah, the internet girls might be a bit "hit or miss," and yeah, you can't see the merchandise, BUT if you tell them on the phone you will send them away if they do not match the picture, and have the (limited amount of) balls it takes to do it, what is the risk? I would not even give them cab fare if they tried to pull that shit on me. As I posted, I did have one gal who wasn't as advertised, but she was fine by me so why not. At least you see them in good lighting and not "club lighting."
Just my two centavos worth and I will definitely take an even more aggressive, extreme, radical, and Dickheaded approach on my next visit. Today I talked to my boss. He is getting a divorce and his wife is already starting to fuck with him so I figured the timing was right. I told him I loved my job but he wasn't paying me enough to tie me down to these American women (and American food, American commuting, etc.) for nine months a year. I told him I wanted to do the same amount of work for the same pay in four and a half months and he said OK, fine, I see where you are coming from.
Therefore, more mongering, definitely much more mongering, and I am going to sell my house and car and put that money away for retirement, because when I retire, I will need MORE MONEY for MORE MONGERING.
Four weeks and three days.
Dancesw/Chicas
02-04-03, 05:01
Greetings Amigos
I just read El Clarin news online and found out what
happened by an interview with Rodrigo the manager
at Playwoman.
In the interview he said that 8 people that had arrived
in groups of 2 out of the sudden were asking for everyone's
money and when they collected (1200 pesos...)
they were intercepted by the security guys and were hold
long enough until the police arrived to the club.
The manager also mentioned that he thinks that this
could be a "vendetta" but did not mentioned any specific
details...
I personally gave this place a visit and to tell you the
truth that whole side of the cementery is how can I say
it... less than upscale...
But that's just me.
dancesw/chicas
So again I say, if stuff like this comes down, do you want to be trapped inside? Sounds like Reason #15 to avoid the clubs.
Nah. The clubs are fine to visit and a lot of fun. Yeah, prostitution can be a very dirty business. The skirmish at Playwoman was caused by the former manager that got fired. She is the one that apparently hired these goons. No reason to avoid the clubs because of one isolated incident. I only posted so people are aware of the situation at this particular club.
In my humble opinion, you are really missing out if you don't hit the clubs. The girls are some of the nicest in the world and it really gives you a chance to interact with them and see what they are like before taking them home. Also, it's a good place to get phone numbers for daytime action. (My palm pilot is full..trust me).
Everyone has their own thing. Guys like Dickhead like chasing girls in the street. Guys like me gotta do the clubs. No one is right or wrong. I bet we're both having more fun than the average guy sitting at his desk in corporate America reading WSG...ha, ha.
Have fun.
Originally posted by Dickhead
And JamesBond, yeah, the internet girls might be a bit "hit or miss," and yeah, you can't see the merchandise, BUT if you tell them on the phone you will send them away if they do not match the picture, and have the (limited amount of) balls it takes to do it, what is the risk? I would not even give them cab fare if they tried to pull that shit on me.
My sentiments as well. I've seen a lot of beautiful women on the BA escort internet sites. I'm counting on some of them being for real.
Can one of our more fluent members provide us with an approximate translation for "If the girl you send me is not the one in the photo, I will send her packing without any cab fare".
I can't find it in my Berlitz phrase book.
Guillermo
Guillermo,
here's the translation
Si la chica que envian no es la misma que esta en la foto, la regreso ni siquiera con dinero para su taxi.
Hey Guys
I,m here in beautiful BA. And yes it is hotter than hell. The exchange rate sucks, $3.14 today. And you know what I LOVE IT!
This is one of the best places god ever created. THE PEOPLE ARE FRIENDLY AS HELL, THE WOMEN SO BEAUTIFUL and my best friend marvin[my dick} is leading me all around town. I will get into details when I am home, a full report. But just a taste for my monger brothers. I was with Sandy last night from PLATYUM. Class act all the way. I am supposed to meet her at 6:00pm my hotel. Etolie with jacuzzi. She shows up at 6:30, MRLA takes it stride. I meet her in the lobby, yep! a knock-out!!! Great tits, beautiful body, and the biggest smile, that will get you hard, and warm your heart. I am a big guy, 6'5´, 215lbs, she is 5´4 100lbs
perfect match. But being the ROMANTIC, that I am, I go to the corner stand and buy 6 yellow roses, 6 pesos, are you kidding me, 2 bucks. Then I went to the grocery store, and bought chocolate syurp. Yep for the jacuzzi..I learned right away. Just have fun with these ladies and they will reward you, more than you can hope for. I also bought at the grocery store, 6 half bottles of champane.Well we go to the room, have a glass of champane, I give her the roses, and she is on me, with more kisses than I can take at one time. Lesson one for young mongers. TAKE YOUR TIME,MRLA´s first rule, LOW AND SLOW! She wanted to have sex right away. NO! We must talk first, and I don´t speak spanish, but she loved that I wanted to talk to her. Then long, slow deep kisses, and more long slow deep kisses. She is on me, like a cat on a bird. So we go to the jacuzzi. Lesson #2, HAVE FUN WITH SEX! We get into the jacuzzi and she likes the bubbles[I strongly recommend a jacuzzi guys]. More long, slow deep kisses. WE START TO HAVE A LITTLE FORPLAY! And then the best bbbj I have had in years. Well now I want to play. Yep! CHOCOLATE SYURP! She went crazy, I poured it all over her and started to lick it off. Then she poured it on me, and well you get the picture. Now more fun, after 45mins in the jacuzzi, I wanted serious sex, so I pick up this little thing up, and carry her out of the jacuzzi, and onto the chair in the living room, on top spread on the arms of the chair, I got her from behind doggie style, she was sying with love. Then I took her to the bed, and mision style, gave her all she wanted, and all I could give...She came twice, me once......So I told her she owed me $100 pesos, because she came twice, she laughed her ass off. Rule #3......HAVE MORE FUN, LAUGH SMILE AND PLAY.....Well then I did a no, no. I liked her a little too much. And she was nuts about me. I took her to dinner at ´¨JOSE LUSIS¨´ for scampi..We had great fun, and took a walk holding hands, MRLA IS DOING A NO,NO! Then we stop for ice cream...........More laughing, then we walked back to my hotel. She just comes to the room, more long, slow deep kissing, and she wants to stay the night........BIG KICKER: She has 2 more appointments, after me, and it is already, 12:00am. She says she does not want to go, but needs the money. Says she will stay the night for 200 more pesos. I said, the first time was fun, but business, and I paid her 300 pesos for 4hrs[was supposed to be 2] But the flowers, champane, made it longer.RULE2, little gifts....So I say I would like her to stay the night, if she would like too, but no more money. She thinks for a long time, and then the cell phone rings, a client, and she said she has to go, if I will not pay her a little more for the whole night. I pick her up in my arms, and carry her to the living room, kiss her, put her down, and pick up her flowers and hand them to her. She picks up her stuff, and I walk her to the corner holding hands, not speaking...I put her in a taxi, and pay the driver 10 pesos..I slowly walk back to the hotel, thinking, what a great first night in BA. Nice hotel,[Yes the beds suck] great food and champane, the best sex, and most important of all, I meet a very CLASSY LADY! I would recommend SANDY to all, but remember, have fun, buy little gifts, and laugh, smile and LOW AND SLOW! I am meeting Roxana and SIR JACKSON tonight for dinner, just to thank them for making my first night in BA, the best. I have a session with DEYSI, from gemios in 2 hours, Roxana fixed for me at $100pesos per hour. And then dinner. Will report later.
Be Cool!
MRLA
PS. If any of you want to hook up, I am at the ETOLIE, just as for MR LEE, or the bar at 9:00pm each night, until Feb 10.
MRLA,
Hey buddy. GREAT first night. Sandy is a great girl. The only thing about having her for your first session is that it gives the other chicas something to live up to. The great thing about Sandy is she can make you feel like you're the only guy in the world.
Also, remember that nothing is a "no no". Just have fun in BA. Do whatever makes you happy. There is no hard and fast rule for BA. What works for other guys might not work for you. Have fun with Jackson and Roxana and tell them both I said hello.
I hope the Pimsleur Spanish I sent you helped a little. Keep up the great posts.
Saint
OttoGraham
02-04-03, 16:23
Dickhead, you write funny posts, but give OUTRAGEOUSLY BAD ADVICE when you suggest mongers are safer chasing down streetwalkers than being in one of the clubs.
When you are out on the street, especially in the areas where streetwalkers congregate, you are nothing more than one big Gringo target for whatever and whomever happens to be hanging around. It doesn't take much for a working girl to lasso a john into an alley and then have her amigos rob him of everything he has - and worse.
Clubs have security setups. They have the local police on retainer. They have bouncers. They have telephones on which emergency calls to the cops can be made when something happens. There are a lot of people around, which means you are not a vulnerable, solo target. Compared to chasing streetwalkers, your chances of getting physically hurt in a club are virtually non-existent. Are you completely safe? Of course not. You're not completely safe if you stay home in Omaha, Nebraska, either.
Bottom line is, it's BAD, BAD, BAD advice to recommend chasing after streetwalkers in Buenos Aires as a "safety measure" over being a patron of one of the clubs.
-Uncle Otto
I will arrive tomorrow with high expectations after flipping through this forum. I will heed all of the advice and adventures I have read from the dedicated Mongers. I used Mayra to get an apartment for the week. Sounds like a sweet deal. I look forward to not having to deal with the hotel security. With my buddies there will be no holds bard. Champagne, Tequila, and all of the rest of the craziness that will follow. Happy hunting and please put all the Hotties on Notice. The Miami boys are in town!!!!!! Peace out
Guillermo:
I would tell the agency
"Si la chica que me mandan no es la misma que la que está en las fotos, la mando de vuelta sin dinero para el taxi".
Hope this helps,
Andres
About streetwalkers and clubs safety:
SWs:
As I mentioned before, SW action in neighborhoods is usually limited to those who drive. In Downtown, SW action near Galerias Pacifico is reasonably safe.
What you shouldn't do is to walk the streets of the Constitución neighboirhood with nice slacks and a polo shirt looking for SWs. Wrong environment for that.
Also, as I mentioned a long time ago, I almost suffered a robbery atttempt when cruising in Flores back in 1999, but I may have been an easier target if walking these strteets when heading towards a club. Thus, nothing is 100% safe.
Club safety:
As a very old BA monger, I got caught twice by the police in these clubs, both located in Flores (out of business right now).
They were searching for drug dealers and made me and a bunch of other guys take out the pants. Being a white skinned professional, they didn't ask me many questions and released me in less than 5 minutes. I just kept cool.
Hope this helps,
Andres
This article appeared today at Pagina 12 newspaper referred to the Playwoman scandal.
http://www.pagina12.com.ar/
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A FIGHT IN A BOLICHE WITH POLICE OFFICERS INCLUDED
Everybody against everybody in Recioleta
By Carlos Rodríguez
A nightclub whose suggestive name is Playwoman - and that is located next to the Recoleta cemetery- was the place of a quarrel in which 11 men were involved, among whom 2 members of the Federal Police, one of them hospitalized and the other one arrested. 6 of these boxing aficionados were also arrested and the rest were hospitalized. Although there is a lot of confusion because everybody blame everybody, the spark may have been ignited by one of the Police officers, very demonstrative when expressing his admiration for one of the girls who go there. The boliche owner reported the theft of pesos 1200 – someone got advantage of the situation - and the draw of fireguns, but nothing is yet confirmed. Today, the main people involved will declare.
Playwoman is located at Azcuénaga 1968, in the walkside opposed to the wall of the "holy field". The fight started close to 4AM and some versions point out that one of the Police officers, a seagent of Cavalry already in duty, was the first who stuck his hands, but focusing on a girl and not on the fighters. Always based on the boliche owners version – partially confirmed by the Police -, one of the doormen who control the order inside the local discouraged the policeman, wearing civilian clothes, and then 11 fighters jumped in the scene, making of the boliche a Roman circus.
In the midst of the fight –where the fireguns may have been drawn– the policemen who actually came to restore order appeared. One of the "good cops" was the hospitalized one, while the "semper fit" seargent remained arrested and at hand of a judge whose name resembles the Roman times. Judge Marco Aurelio Layus has to decipher the cross accusations. “Everything will become clear after the summonings, because it is a very confusing case, as the incidents that occur in this kind of places usually are", said a source of Federal police that acknowleged that a Police officer was indicted.
The 1200 pesos denounced as robbed were, according to the owners, in the cashier, behind the bar. Sources from the 19th quarter of the Federal Police, the one involved in the case, said that the theft accusation “is being investigated, but so far there is no evidence that confirms the robbery, and neither do we know how the squarrel started”. Injured people were hospitalized at Hospital Fernandez, a fact that points out the degree of violence involved. The cause has as many charges as involved people: “Theft, injuries in fight and property damage”, because much of the furniture after the fight appeared as puzzle pieces.
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UNA PELEA CON POLICIAS INCLUIDOS EN UN BOLICHE
Todos contra todos en Recoleta
Por Carlos Rodríguez
Un boliche nocturno cuyo sugestivo nombre es Play Woman, y que funciona en el límite mismo con el Cementerio de la Recoleta, fue escenario de una pelea multitudinaria de la que participaron 11 hombres, entre ellos dos miembros de la Policía Federal, uno de los cuales fue hospitalizado y el otro detenido. Son seis los cultores del boxeo amateur que fueron presos y los otros quedaron en el hospital. Aunque hay gran confusión porque todos se acusan entre sí, la mecha la habría prendido uno de los policías, muy efusivo al expresar su admiración por una de las chicas que paran en el lugar. El dueño del local denunció el robo de 1200 pesos –alguien habría aprovechado el revuelo– y la exhibición de armas de fuego, pero nada está confirmado. Hoy declararán en la causa los principales involucrados.
Play Woman está ubicado en Azcuénaga 1968, en la vereda ubicada frente al paredón del camposanto. La pelea comenzó cerca de las cuatro y algunas versiones señalan que uno de los policías, un sargento en actividad de la Policía Montada, fue el que puso las primeras manos, pero el objetivo habría sido una dama y no los feroces gladiadores. Siempre según la versión de los dueños del local –confirmada a medias por la policía–, uno de los patovicas que controla el orden interno le sacudió las ganas al policía, que estaba de civil, y entonces fueron 11 los luchadores que convirtieron al boliche en un circo romano.
En plena batalla campal –allí se habría producido la aparición de las armas de fuego– llegaron los policías que venían, ellos sí, a restablecer el orden. Uno de los “buenos” sería el que fue al hospital, mientras que el sargento siempre listo quedó detenido a disposición del juez de la causa, que por una extraña coincidencia tiene el nombre de un emperador humanista que, entre otras cosas, le puso límites al circo donde los esclavos eran obligados a pelear por su vida. El juez Marco Aurelio Layus tendrá que descifrar las acusaciones cruzadas. “Todo se va a aclarar con las testimoniales, porque es un caso muy confuso, como los incidentes que ocurren en un lugar de estas características”, estimó una fuente de la Federal que confirmó que uno de los policías está como imputado.
Los 1200 pesos denunciados como robados estaban, según los dueños, en la caja, detrás del mostrador. Fuentes de la comisaría 19ª, que intervino en el caso, dijeron que la denuncia por robo “se está investigando, pero hasta ahora no hay pruebas que confirmen que se produjo esa sustracción y tampoco se sabe bien cómo comenzó el enfrentamiento”. Los heridos tuvieron que ser trasladados al Hospital Fernández, dato que confirma la violencia del incidente. La causa tiene casi tantos cargos como involucrados: “Robo, lesiones en riña y daños”, porque varios muebles quedaron como partes de un rompecabezas.
OttoGraham
02-04-03, 18:25
Dickhead,
Sorry my post pissed you off. However, I had to make it clear that the advice you are giving readers under the guise of "safety tips" is putting them in physical danger.
The typical WSG reader is a middle-aged businessman-type, not a boxer who relishes the thought of taking on all comers. Indeed, I consider that in the context of mongering, if you get into a situation where force needs to be threatened, you've already ruined the experience.
Chasing streetwalkers in Buenos Aires is much more dangerous than frequenting Black, Madaho, or any of the other clubs whose business relies in large part upon providing a safe atmosphere for its customers and workers.
Your advice to the contrary is just BAD, period.
Mongers, if you want to run a big risk of problems on your trip to BsAs, follow Dickhead's advice, not mine. But please don't complain later on that something bad happened to you!
-Uncle Otto
Originally posted by OttoGraham
"Dickhead, you write funny posts, but give OUTRAGEOUSLY BAD ADVICE when you suggest mongers are safer chasing down streetwalkers than being in one of the clubs."
"When you are out on the street, especially in the areas where streetwalkers congregate, you are nothing more than one big Gringo target for whatever and whomever happens to be hanging around. It doesn't take much for a working girl to lasso a john into an alley and then have her amigos rob him of everything he has - and worse."
"Clubs have security setups. They have the local police on retainer. They have bouncers. They have telephones on which emergency calls to the cops can be made when something happens. There are a lot of people around, which means you are not a vulnerable, solo target. Compared to chasing streetwalkers, your chances of getting physically hurt in a club are virtually non-existent. Are you completely safe? Of course not. You're not completely safe if you stay home in Omaha, Nebraska, either.
Bottom line is, it's BAD, BAD, BAD advice to recommend chasing after streetwalkers in Buenos Aires as a "safety measure" over being a patron of one of the clubs."
-Uncle Otto I never suggested that. I never implied that. I do not believe one is inherently more or less safe than the other. It depends on how you do it. DH
I picked up streetwalkers directly on the corner of Florida and Paraguay and went directly into a cab four feet away. I did not go into any fucking alleys. I further protected myself by not taking the cab that was idling nearby (in case he knew the girls) but rather flagging down the next one. I further protected myself by first ascertaining the girls did not have cell phones and by only giving the cabbie the intersection and not the name of the hotel. DH
You are misquoting me completely and I do not appreciate it. Please re-read my post and then quote directly where I have recommended that anyone do anything.
Originally posted by OttoGraham
The typical WSG reader is a middle-aged businessman-type,"
"not a boxer who relishes the thought of taking on all comers."
"Indeed, I consider that in the context of mongering, if you get into a situation where force needs to be threatened, you've already ruined the experience."
-Uncle Otto What do you base that statement on? Plus, I AM a middle-aged businessman. DH
I don't relish it and I am not a boxer. Boxers break their hands. I don't start fights. I only finish them. DH
So I have had two ruined experiences in thirty years. I can live with that. DH
staticicon
02-04-03, 21:15
Originally posted by Dickhead
So again I say, if stuff like this comes down, do you want to be trapped inside? Sounds like Reason #15 to avoid the clubs. Dickhead,
I see you are street walker lover.
Last week I have been to Asuncion in Paraguay. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND IT. I´ve check clubs&bars but so far best girls were the streetwalkers . They are very clean, nice and pretty.
Also it is impossible to avoid COST, might be lowest in South America ?? I have paid from 30K to 100K Guaranies (4 to 12 US , NO TYPING MISTAKE).
Exchage rate is 6900Guaranies=1USD
Club and internet girls rates are from 150K to 250K
Also have noticed well know local fashion models agencies starting from 200USD TO 1000USD.
As I've posted many times before....we can all agree to disagree. While I do enjoy reading Dickhead's posts I would never do what he does. And you know what? That's ok. He has fun chasing skirt on the streets and all the power to him. I've never met him or Otto in person.
I do agree with Otto's assessment about the make up of the average guy going to Buenos Aires. I've met dozens and dozens of guys in Buenos Aires. I've probably received over 50 emails from guys that have emailed me telling me it was my posts that first got them to Buenos Aires in the first place. Most of these guys are professionals (doctors, lawyers, accountants, business owners, etc.). These are guys that would never venture out in the street for streetwalkers.
I consider Buenos Aires safe. I love the city as many of you know. However, there are real social and economic problems there. Some people are desperate for money. Never underestimate man's desire and will to survive any way they can. Just be careful and practice common sense.
It's all about having fun. Whether it's in some dirty alley or a luxury room in Recoleta. But one thing is clear. It is totally safe to go to the clubs. Anyone that is trying to claim the clubs are dangerous just plain doesn't know Buenos Aires. I can promise you that 99.999% of the guys that go to BA that go to the clubs will love them.
MRLA & SAINT
is sweet sandy enhanced? I am curious cuz I dont wanna go all the way to BA for some fake ones. I got plenty of that here. (too much if you ask me).
JACKSON:
Would you say that its too expensive to cab internet or other girls to and from Vicente Lopez? Like just outside Capital?
thanks
Originally posted by slurpee
MRLA & SAINT
is sweet sandy enhanced? I am curious cuz I dont wanna go all the way to BA for some fake ones. I got plenty of that here. (too much if you ask me).
JACKSON:
Would you say that its too expensive to cab internet or other girls to and from Vicente Lopez? Like just outside Capital?
thanks My personal experience, she's all natural!
Slurpe:
Vicente López is located next to the Capital district, just after Núñez (which in turn is located just after Belgrano). Any cab should cost less than ar$20, and even less than ar$15 if calling a "remise" (livery).
Hope this helps,
Andres
MRLA
Did you mean Desyi from Sensual Baires? I did not see a Desyi on Gemidos.
Have a great trip. Look forward to your future reports
BeachBoy-
Is Danessa no holds bared or no holes bares? She looks fantastic.
Ibiza007
Ibiza
Danesa is totally wild and uninhibited. Though YMMV I lucked out and she seemed to really dig me. Meeting her was like being knocked over by a hurricane. She is exactly as what you see in the photos. Her face is gorgeous, prettiest eyes. She models on the side.
She is no holds barred, but I did not bare the second hole. That was about the only thing that did not seem to happen, and it may be that she is not into it, not sure.
Please report if you check her out. She gave me a pornstar experience to savor. Life is good.
BB
Anybody have news on the problems in Playwoman on Sunday night?
I´ve been told that a group of "thieves" or "gringos" (depending on the gossiper) tried to steal the cash register, or (depending on the version) tried to provoke a disturb due to a catfight. Around 10 people are in jail
fabricio23
02-05-03, 23:16
There is a website of argentinian escorts that should be added to Argentinian links and it should be checked out.... www.sensualplanet.com go to the website and go down to escorts and click on argentina, the escorts are some from platynum and others, the good thing is that they provide their prices, and they range from 20 USD to 60USD. Good luck to you all.
As nearly as I can figure out, this website is just a composite listing of advertisements from the other known websites.
I just added it to the list of Argentina Links, but I'd like to get some feedback from some of the other forum members who use the internet girls regularily.
Jackson
EZE_Amante
02-06-03, 08:34
Originally posted by gatofelix
Anybody have news on the problems in Playwoman on Sunday night?
I´ve been told that a group of "thieves" or "gringos" (depending on the gossiper) tried to steal the cash register, or (depending on the version) tried to provoke a disturb due to a catfight. Around 10 people are in jail
According to Clarin, there were 8 guys that arrived in groups of 2, and they took $1200 from patrons, but were prevented from leaving by the security people. According to the report, the manager and police believe that some sort of revenge was the real motivator, because they pulled this on a Sunday night which is one of the slowest of the week.
EZE :)
Hey Guys, Tried this yesterday, and was so Tired I lost it after 15minutes of typing. First off I LOVE THIS TOWN, 2ND OFF I LOVE THIS TOWN!
SIR JACKSON is the man, I think of him as COLMBUS, he has paved a path for all of us to follow. I meet him, Roxana, and DAN for dinner the other night, and you will never find a more nicer group of people. Jackson has a plan while in BA. One that is good for all of us, good for the people of BA, and I hope very good for Jackson. First we had dinner on an outside restaurant[forgot name, but just down from ETOLIE, with Bull out front.] Now get this, 2 bottles of wine, Jackson and I have steak, some of the best I have ever had, and with Roxana, and Dan´s meal it was a whopping $150pesos.[$45us] I paid the check, not only for me, but for all of you guys, just to be able to say, ¨THANK YOU SIR JACKSON¨for all your help, and this wonderful board.
Now to answer a few questions, SANDY, is a Princess, and yes she is NATURAL, very beautiful natural... And guys a CLASSY LADY.
DEYSI was cute, but just not my type. Young guys may like her, but a little to wild for me, sex was so,so, and I had her leave after only one hour.
After dinner Jackson and Roxana left us, and Dan and I went to MADAHOS. Un like BLACK´S which I did not care for, because of the hussle, MADAHOS is clasy, and I think the women are just as fine, as any I have seen so far in BA. We go to the bar, Dan has a drink $20pesos, I have Jonny Walker Black, $40pesos, WELCOME TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD! Oh well it is what I drink. I talk to this beautiful bartender, laughing all the time, dance with a couple of girls in the Isle way, and I really like the video screen, and music. Well I look around the room, and my princess is waiting. PATRICA! Gentleman she is a must have if you come to BA. This smile will kill you. Not the best looking in the place, allot like SANDY. Only darker hair, but same built body. Fun, laughing, and I had to have her. I pay $30pesos to the bar[or one drink price] and we are off. She likes me right away. We walk to my hotel, holding hands.[Now remember I did not know I was going to be with her, so I did not have my usual flowers in the room.] We get to the room, I open CHAMPANE with strawberries, and she is HAPPY already. She looks in the bathroom, and sees the JACUZZI! SMILE! We DFK for 5mins, and she wants to play, undressing me. I gentleman pay attention, SLOWLY; VERY SLOWLY, start to undress her, one piece of clothing at a time, all the time kissing that beautiful body, and TELLING HER how beautiful she is.[Very Important, men in BA treat women poorly, so when a nice AMERICAN, treats them like a lady, well you get my point.] She has had enough playing and goes for my best friend, and guys their are women who will suck you dick for money, and then their are women who truly like it. PATRICA LOVES IT! She gave me the bst BBBJ I have ever had, and I have had allot in my years. Now off to the jacuzzi, here´s where I come in, I put her into the tub, nice warm water, and she love it, bubbles and all, we dfk, grab ass for a while, then I get out to get a condom, but sneak into the frig, and get the famous CHOCOLATE SYURP, all nice and cold. I hand her the condom, which she opens and puts into her mouth, and then with her mouth, puts on me, but then I lay her on her back, hit her with the cold CHOCOLATE SYURP, she screams laughing all out loud, and I start licking, and sucking the big natural tits. She is having the time of her life, and guys she is not affraid to show her thanks. We play in the tub, for 30minutes, then I pick up this little lady and take her to the living room, back to the chair[which is getting a work out] put her on top of the arms, and give it to her doggie style, she makes happy sounds to my delight. [mi, amor, mi amor,MI AMOR]. I then take her to the bed, and she is now in control, she gets on top of me, and rides like a wild princess..Then, we lay back on the bed, [Pay attention] I hold her tight in my arms, kiss her long , and slow, no words, just letting her know how much I like her, and she culldles in my arms.. 10 minutes, not a word spoken, she thens goes for my friend, and slowly kissing my cock, wants more BBBJ. Who the hell am I to say no! Afer 3hrs 15min, She has to go back to the bar, I pay her the agreed $200pesos, and I give her 10pesos for the cab......My best in BA, yet!
The next day, I was with VIOLET from platyum, she is also great, loved the flower, jacuzzi, and spent 2 hour for $150pesos..Guys here are my RULES: 1st treat them like Princess, I am here to please her, not the other way around. 2nd, and most important, ......IT IS NICE TO BE IMPORTANT......BUT IT IS IMPORTANT TO BE NICE!!!!!!!..And little stuff will come back to you 100times.....Here ends the lesson for the day! Will post on a great time with Jackson, and Dan from last night later.
Be Cool, and as Saint would say ¨LIFE IS VERY GOOD IN BA¨
MRLA
El Ricardo
02-06-03, 14:18
MRLA,
Thanks for the running saga and sage advice! My flight leaves at 6:00 this evening. I plan on showing up at the Etoile at 9:00 pm tomorrow...hope to see you there. Its hard to stay focussed on finishing things up here at work and at home when all I can think about is being there...and your posts don't help! Of course the fact that I have a date tomorrow afternoon with Wendy of Platynum might have something to do with it too. She's one of my favorites from past trips...sweet, incredibly beautiful (grandfather was Japanese), all natural and very accommodating!
Hasta manana!
ER
Originally posted by MRLA
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After dinner Jackson and Roxana left us, and Dan and I went to MADAHOS. Un like BLACK´S which I did not care for, because of the hussle, MADAHOS is clasy, and I think the women are just as fine, as any I have seen so far in BA. We go to the bar, Dan has a drink $20pesos, I have Jonny Walker Black, $40pesos, WELCOME TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD! Oh well it is what I drink. I talk to this beautiful bartender, laughing all the time, dance with a couple of girls in the Isle way, and I really like the video screen, and music. Well I look around the room, and my princess is waiting. PATRICA! Gentleman she is a must have if you come to BA. This smile will kill you. Not the best looking in the place, allot like SANDY. Only darker hair, but same built body. Fun, laughing, and I had to have her. I pay $30pesos to the bar[or one drink price] and we are off. She likes me right away. We walk to my hotel, holding hands.[Now remember I did not know I was going to be with her, so I did not have my usual flowers in the room.] We get to the room, I open CHAMPANE with strawberries, and she is HAPPY already. She looks in the bathroom, and sees the JACUZZI! SMILE! We DFK for 5mins, and she wants to play, undressing me. I gentleman pay attention, SLOWLY; VERY SLOWLY, start to undress her, one piece of clothing at a time, all the time kissing that beautiful body, and TELLING HER how beautiful she is.[Very Important, men in BA treat women poorly, so when a nice AMERICAN, treats them like a lady, well you get my point.] She has had enough playing and goes for my best friend, and guys their are women who will suck you dick for money, and then their are women who truly like it. PATRICA LOVES IT! She gave me the bst BBBJ I have ever had, and I have had allot in my years. Now off to the jacuzzi, here´s where I come in, I put her into the tub, nice warm water, and she love it, bubbles and all, we dfk, grab ass for a while, then I get out to get a condom, but sneak into the frig, and get the famous CHOCOLATE SYURP, all nice and cold. I hand her the condom, which she opens and puts into her mouth, and then with her mouth, puts on me, but then I lay her on her back, hit her with the cold CHOCOLATE SYURP, she screams laughing all out loud, and I start licking, and sucking the big natural tits. She is having the time of her life, and guys she is not affraid to show her thanks. We play in the tub, for 30minutes, then I pick up this little lady and take her to the living room, back to the chair[which is getting a work out] put her on top of the arms, and give it to her doggie style, she makes happy sounds to my delight. [mi, amor, mi amor,MI AMOR]. I then take her to the bed, and she is now in control, she gets on top of me, and rides like a wild princess..Then, we lay back on the bed, [Pay attention] I hold her tight in my arms, kiss her long , and slow, no words, just letting her know how much I like her, and she culldles in my arms.. 10 minutes, not a word spoken, she thens goes for my friend, and slowly kissing my cock, wants more BBBJ. Who the hell am I to say no! Afer 3hrs 15min, She has to go back to the bar, I pay her the agreed $200pesos, and I give her 10pesos for the cab......My best in BA, yet!
MRLA [/i]
Hey MRLA!! congratulations!! seems you got what we are all looking for!!
BTW: can be this PATRICIA (capital letters meaning admiration) a petite red haired beautiful and delightful lady I´ve been once in BA?
Is she about 4´10, 37 y.o. (although a fresh face and smile), and a merry and easy going character?
I met her in Exedra, a Etoile-type bar corner C.Pellegrini and Cordoba, (in)famous for having "gravitationally and chronologically challenged" escorts (fat and ugly ladies). This was a real surprise, and a very nice evening. Her phone is 15 5410 2882. Good luck!!
larscraven
02-07-03, 00:38
Gentleman, just returned to the West Coast from 10 days in BA and Rio, and thought my 2 cents might be of value. I have mongered in 30 countries and although I love BA and would go back, I will only say it is not the end all, be all. Only had 6 days, but did try to spread it around, so briefly what I found was this.
The City: Wonderful people, very European, great walking, IMHO, if you like to walk, it can be covered in 2 or 3 days. Taxis are cheap and I never had a problem with the ones I flagged down
Internet: Karen, #22, nice, all the extras, fake breasts not my thing, but good time. Not as good as the picture but spend 6 hours including dinner at a nice resteraunt by the river. $200 US. I don't negotiate too hard, not my thing. Maria Christina #11, escorts Argentina as well, late thirties, pretty, but not as pretty as the picture, 250 pesos, 2 hours, 5 hours at her place, turns out she is a dominatirx, and that is what she gets off on. Maybe a golden shower in the next life. Made a real date for next day but never did follow up. If you want a little more kinky may be worth a look. Conclusion, hit or miss.
Cafe Orleans: Cordoba and San Martin. 5pm stumbled in on a hot day, my first day after 18 hours of traveling, 8-10 women 2 or 3 where hot, immediately went for Maria, brunette, very cute, 250 pesos for an hour, plus 40 pesos for the hotel around the corner, spent 2 hours, all the extras we want, only bummer, enhance rack, I'ts ok, but I prefer natural. Went back another day, same time, 6 girls, none worth while. Conclusion: hit or miss.
Clarin: Called and was explicit for a natural girl, I speak some Spanish, (learn a little fellas) 200 pesos 2 hours, Augustina shows up, not what I wanted and I wanted to send her away, but begged me to stay, agreed on 100 pesos one hour, had fun, ended up 2 hours, 200 pesos, I don't grind, and it was fun getting convered head as the Raiders got there ass kicked in the Super Bowl. Clarin is defineltly hit or miss.
Whorehouse: Budget travelors, 1250 Corrientes, 5C will get you everything for 60 pesos, 3 girls, somewhat marginal, but doable.
Advice. Don't pay in the strobe light room they take you into. My bad, I didn't think and ended up giving 2 100 peso notes that I thought were 10 peso notes. Rookie mistake. Place is marginally clean. Conclusion: These bargain rate whorehouses are hit or miss.
Street action: The streetwalkers in the Recoleta and other areas were mostly skanky, at least the ones I saw, and I don't stop to sleep much. But Estella near the corner of Quinitera and Ayachchco, excuse the spelling, right near Blacks, was a good find
at 3am. 22 years old, cute, 90 pesos the rest of the night, brought her back to the Etoile and she was sweet.
Clubs. Cruised in and out of the club scene but felt it was all buisiness. The one place I settle on is Playwoman, and the first girl who hits on me is Maria from, Cafe Orleans, and I don't want a repeat. Never did score at one. Yes there is talent but again YMMV.( For those who like all flavors try the nightclub with the martini glass in the window in Vientiene, Laos)
English lanquage newspapers: I found my stunner in one of these papers, so IMHO I would suggest that if your budget is not too tight, try one of these or one of the hotel guides in the more upscale hotels, like the NH Hotels. I found my stunner in one, after my third day negoitated 300 pesos, one hour, she spent 2, back the next day for 4 hours at same rate and the next, and I ended up flying her into Rio for my last 2 days with me for my time in Rio.
Again, its' just my two cents, but if I land on something great, I go with it. And yeah, I've been in Rio 3 times before and know all the places and highly recommend it, so whatever. Conclusion, BA is great, Rio is just as great and maybe gets the edge for those who love the music and the beach. As I have appreciated the info I have gotten over the past few months, Roxana, Mayra, etc, I just wanted to throw this in and say thanks, hope there is a kernal of info provided.
Question to the BA experts --
I am planning my trip and preping a budget. I like the idea of champagne for the apartment and I am wondering what types of champagnes do they have in BA and what are the prices. I am a little particular about my bubbly so I am asking in advance.
Again a large thank you to everyone for contributing and making the planning so much easier.
P
Prufrock:
There are many locally-produced manufacturers of champagne. The most famous one is Chandon. I think that it may be possible to find foreign brands in Recoleta, although many of them disappeared from the big supermarkets after the devaluation.
In fact, there is (or was) a "Chandon bar" in Puerto Madero, pretty close to the Platynum offices. Some people say it is worth a visit.
Hope this helps,
Andres
Prufrock,
Baron B is a very nice local brand of Champagne. Quite a respectable effort, though I suggest the Sec as the Brut is a little sweet, just a tad. But the chicas love that, so your call. There is also a real nice Reserve Rose for a little more money.
Also Chandon makes Cham. in Argentina, and it is every bit as good as the stuff made in California.
Now here's the kicker: These bottles sell in the supermarkets or liquor stores for 15-20 pesos max. Some even less. We are talking US$5 or less for nice bubbly that runs $20 comparably in the States.
Get a case and stick it in your hotel fridge. Live it up a little.
BB
Etoile 9:00...Wednesday.
I was not able to make it, as something came up. Or should I say I was precccoupied with somebody. Will shoot for tonight, Thursday.
It very easy to score with Non pros as well.
Hi Guys, Having too much fun! Let´s answer questions first.
GATOFELIX: No not same PATRICA. This one works at MADAHOS, is about 5´4, 100lbs, very long black hair, and a killer smile, about 25yrs. WORTH every penny you can scrap up.
PRUFROCK: Champane ....Chandon is what I buy, because I know it. You go to DISCO the supermarket around the corner from the ETOLIE down 2 blocks, and you can get 3 1/2 bottles in a case for 7pesos[$2.25]. The girls here love it, and very much appricate it, as you will see.
Small update,.....Meet Gabriel, last night with SIR JACKSON, at the ETOLIE,......[Guys if you come to the ETOLIE BAR AT 9:00PM; please go to the desk and ask for MR LEE, as not to loose anyone,they will show you were we are, not standing around looking for people you don´t know.] Jackson had a date, so myself, Gabriel, and some guy named JAY, left. Went to MADAHO´S, since I was there the other night, meet the manager, they let us in for no cover charge[20pesos] and the cute bartender, was told buy the manager, not to charge me for my first drink...REALLY DO LIKE THIS PLACE! No hussle like BLACK´S just nice people...Saw Patrica, she could be a problem, as she called my hotel, looking for me earlier in the day, and was on me the minute I walked into the club with GABE. Also called my room after I got back to my hotel.....I have so much to tell you all, but today I am really pressed for time, as I have a lady coming over in 30minutes, GABE and I are going shopping, and I have to meet Jackson, and other mongers at the ETOLIE at 9:00pm, so I guess I will report later......Rain is coming so it is cooling off, thank god....But one more important thing,......GUYS some of you are paying these lady on the Internet WAY TOO MUCH!!!!
I called WENDY form platym, while I was at Jackson´s apt, had Roxana talk to her, and she wanted $100us per hour, and had a date with Elricardo the next day, I am not here to judge anyone, or tell them how to spend their money..BUT these girls talk to each other and paying twice the going rate is crazy, and makes it hard for the rest of us poor guys....Wendy told Roxana she has 2 rates, one for locals, and one for ONLY AMERICANS! I got the good old American rate, of which I quickly passed......Jackson and I agree, it makes it very hard for all, if this keeps happening....How do I know they have a little "GRAPEVINE" going on, well since I spent time with Sandy,Patrica, and Violet[WENDÝS GOOD FRIEND] the girls in 3 clubs, know about me, the JACUZZI, and the famous, CHOCOLATE SYURP! I now have to come up with some new trick´s, as they are all talking about the chocolate......NO PROBLEM, I have stuff these girls have never heard of, and yes I am having a great time in BA.....But let´s try to keep our dick´s out of out pants, and OUR MONEY IN!!!!! Tonight with Jackson, and others will report tomorrow....
Be Cool!
MRLA
Great posts MRLA and Larscraven. It's nice to read from guys new to Buenos Aires. So many don't post because they think they have nothing to add. That isn't true. Everyone loves to read all perspectives of BA. (At least I do).
Sounds like you are doing BA the way it should be done MRLA. You are definitely right about the girls talking. Ha, ha. Come up with some new material.
I just got my third apartment up and running. Here is the link below for anyone interested. (Thanks to Jackson for letting me post it). Hopefully some of you take advantage of the "apartment living" in Buenos Aires. Good luck.
http://hometown.aol.com/saintofba/montevideo.html
Originally posted by MRLA
But one more important thing,......GUYS some of you are paying these lady on the Internet WAY TOO MUCH!!!!
MRLA - can you give us a sense of what fair market value for an internet girl would be right now? IYHO.
Guillermo
Report from a BA first timer-- Arrived Jan 27 til Feb 3. i took a frequent flyer ticket on united business class and could sleep and was ready for fun early on. Roxana is great and her emails gave me enough comfort to make the trip from the USA not knowing anyone and knowing very little Spanish- Tried an internet girl,
Belu--very sweet and accomadating and Lola--great 21 yo with great figure{blonde with pink stripe}. Did Blacks a couple of times because I was poorly oriented--good talent but you can spend a lot less elsewhere.
King Jackson took me under his wing for an orientation-I learned a lot and we had some good laughs and exchange of philosophy-
Met Dboy and had more orientation and lots of laughs.
One thing that helped make the trip for me was touring the city on bike with a guide--they meet ever day at San Martin Plaza at 10 and 2 PM . Good exercise in the summer sun, knowledge about the City in a more intimate way. I love the people and the city.
I spent a few hours at lunch with Roxana--a neat girl, lots of fun and I second her high recommendations.
I showed up without hotel reservations. The Etoile was full and wound up at the best Hotel in South America, the Alvear Palace which was very expensive but the breakfast was good and it was a good base for a non -spanish spealing neophye.
The male bonding and beautiful women are hard to beat. The women walking on the street are as stunning as those in the clubs.
I apprecite this forum, ackson, boy, and Roxana for a vacation scoring 12 on a scale of 1-10
Originally posted by octatron
It very easy to score with Non pros as well.
octatron - can you elaborate on that? Where do you find them? How do you appraoch them? Etc.
Guillermo
Originally posted by MRLA
[....But one more important thing,......GUYS some of you are paying these lady on the Internet WAY TOO MUCH!!!!
I called WENDY form platym, while I was at Jackson´s apt, had Roxana talk to her, and she wanted $100us per hour, and had a date with Elricardo the next day, I am not here to judge anyone, or tell them how to spend their money..BUT these girls talk to each other and paying twice the going rate is crazy, and makes it hard for the rest of us poor guys....Wendy told Roxana she has 2 rates, one for locals, and one for ONLY AMERICANS! I got the good old American rate, of which I quickly passed......Jackson and I agree, it makes it very hard for all, if this keeps happening....How do I know they have a little "GRAPEVINE" going on, well since I spent time with Sandy,Patrica, and Violet[WENDÝS GOOD FRIEND] the girls in 3 clubs, know about me, the JACUZZI, and the famous, CHOCOLATE SYURP! I now have to come up with some new trick´s, as they are all talking about the chocolate......NO PROBLEM, I have stuff these girls have never heard of, and yes I am having a great time in BA.....But let´s try to keep our dick´s out of out pants, and OUR MONEY IN!!!!! Tonight with Jackson, and others will report tomorrow....
Be Cool!
MRLA [/i]
Thanks for your advise, I agree. I´ve been with Maria from Platynum (I know she´s a Peruvian like Sandy) and I knew from her that a group of the Platynum girls live in the same flat or nearby, eventhough they don´t know the aka of each other. I showed Maria the internet pic of Sandy and asked if she knew her, and I could notice that they have a network of prices and clients. So beware of the market info that we are passing to these ladies through our payments. As we have this "collective intelligence" that WSG is providing us (and we don´t thank as much as we should), they have their own network, and are aware of prices that americans are able and perhaps willing to pay. This will push the prices up sooner or later.
Hey all my amigos. I'm in Montreal now. Man this city is beautiful. Kind of reminds me of Buenos Aires. It's cold as hell but it's so nice here. The girls are HOT and as passionate as in Buenos Aires. Wow. I could get used to this city. Sorry to those that find this post off topic but if you like Buenos Aires you'll probably like Montreal. I will post a full detailed report in the Montreal section as many requested that I post.
The girls here are very affectionate and one of my sessions last night was as good/better than any session in BA. She was the most insatiable girl I've ever met. The prices are higher but what do you expect. You're not flying 12+ hours to get here either. I have a feeling I'll be coming up here alot.
The hotel I'm staying in is amazing. NOT cheap. The normal rate is $375 CDN a night but they have a promotion now of $195 CDN a night. It's gorgeous and the staff is excellent. The best boutique hotel I've ever stayed at. I'm here with my good amigo Kick Stand and Seaman who I met in Rio. I saw two girls last night, Kick Stand saw two girls and Seaman saw 3 girls. Prices are about $140 - $200 CDN an hour. Although the hotties want $450 CDN for two hours. (Exchange rate now is 1.5 to the $1 US).
www.hotelgault.com
Definitely worth considering if you like a beautiful city, hot women and a nice atmosphere. So far all the girls have spoken English as well as everyone else here.
John Candy
02-08-03, 19:01
SAINT,
I explored going to Montreal/Vancouver but found the prices simply too expensive. You can go to eastern Europe/Asia/Latin America for $600 from North America and everything is cheap there, hotels, meals , including what we go there for, gorgeous pussy.
Canadian women also have a bad reputation just like our money hungry white cows here in North America.
Post some recommendation, maybe we will change our minds.
I am planning a trip to Buenos Aires or Sao Paulo. Can't decide with some many damn fine choices in both countries. I've been to Rio. I like the fact that there are no visa hassels with Argentina, you just go. Brazil asks you for a stupid visa.
The best test to see which country is best is to see where the native men go for fun. i.e. I saw some Brazilian men in Prague. I understood why. The czech girls are some of the best/most beautiful in the world.
Canadians usually go to Cuba, Brazil, etc. Tells me volumes about the quality / attitude of the Canadian women in general of course, every country has its gems. But if we travel, we want to have the best chances to find the most gorgeous pussy for a fair price.
How much did you pay for your best fuk in Montreal??? Did you find her in a website?
Later Folk.
Montreal?
Well I`ve mongered there a few times.
IMHO, not much difference to any other North American City. Attitudes suck!
No thank you.
[Maria]
I made contact and had a session with Maria of Paraguay Y Florida fame.
Dickhead was right on.
Will post later...
No time.
Different strokes for different folks I always say. I still love Buenos Aires much better but I'm pleasantly surprised by Montreal. We just went to a FS strip club 35 minutes outside of town. Was interesting. Probably having fun because I'm with my buddies. I won't post anyone Montreal stuff in this section.
As Buenos Aires and the internet girls are a frequent topic in this forum I would like to raise a question? Is there anybody like me, that is only interested with girls with a face? If I see a shadow in the face, I´ll go to another.
gatofelix -
I usually avoid the "faceless" girl from any site. The body is more important than the face to me, but the face has to have a likeable quality to it even if it is average. So often the pictures, when they are real, do not match the reality at the door. It's not worth the risk if you have a big selection like the B.A. sites.
With that said, I have not travelled to B.A. yet. I will be going in less than two months, much to the appreciation of this great site and the wonderful posts. If it matches the great expectations I have, I am planning an extensive trip this summer - maybe a few months. This is why I found your 2/10 post on the other section comparing Lima and Buenos Aires so interesting! I would like to spend extensive time in both cities mongering, but I will only have a B.A. experience before I start making summer plans. I hope many don't find this comparison topic to be in the wrong place, but I would like to hear some posters opinions who have experienced both cities (most comparisons with B.A. have been with Rio).
I will give back with my own experiences in the future when I get them. Thanks to all that can give input.
OttoGraham
02-11-03, 01:59
Originally posted by gatofelix
As Buenos Aires and the internet girls are a frequent topic in this forum I would like to raise a question? Is there anybody like me, that is only interested with girls with a face? If I see a shadow in the face, I´ll go to another.
Gato, in BsAs I have never seen any internet girls at all; any girl I have met has been in the flesh. I like to see what I am paying for before I go to the bother of ordering it, and of course, the camera lies!
By the way, a large number, if not most, of the internet girls also work in the various BA clubs.
-Uncle Otto
gatofelix,
Although I haven't tried the internet girls, as I only prefer meeting them at the clubs, I too don't like the faceless girls.
Why? A few days ago I had an incovenience when trying to book a girl. An escort posted in a BA community board saying she's looking for clients. In her first email, she claimed she was 29 and charged US$120 from evening to next day. In her photos she looks incredible.
My idea was to head out to a rest. and then a techno club. While looking for girls for the other days I saw a few websites with her photo (of course faceless) and in her profile it says she's in her mid 40's.
To be honest, I wouldn't have a problem with her age because she looks fine and I've had escorts up to 45, however I'm going to dance club and I'm only 26, so I wouldn't like to appear in the club with an older woman. :) jeje
I would fuck her, but no way I'm I taking one to a rave club.
So from this experience I'm definately not going to email or call the faceless girls.
Traveler0099
02-11-03, 04:00
Just a quick note about Montreal.
As a relatively experienced hobbyist, I must say that both Montreal and Toronto are paradise for mongering. Why? Several reasons:
1. Strength of USD vs CAD. That $200/hour honey actually costs you about $135. Nice!
2. Much more open service than any other city in North Amercia I have experienced. Standard service in Monteal classifies as big time GFE in any other US city.
3. French women in Montreeal are hot. Toronto has a good mix of French, Anglos, and Eastern European women.
4. High end SPs in both cities charge (at most) $250 CAD per hour. Try getting anything like their service anywhere in the USA for $250 USD. Are you nuts?
5. Lots of good strip bars in Montreal. Many of the girls engage in extracurricular activities. Was in Montreal last month and paid a visit with a friend. Whie I was too tired, he was horny. This girl came over, I told her that my friend wanted sex. She said OK after the places closes. We leave at 2 AM and she arrives at his hotel room at 4 AM with a friend of hers. Duo from 4-6 AM for $600 CAD. Do the math: 2 girls, 2 hours, $150 CAD ($100 USD) per hour.
6. Both Montreal and Toronto have great restaurants and hotels. Montreal has lots of "boutique" hotels and you can always find a bragain on Expedia. Last place I satyed was the St. Sulpice. Suite cost $120 USD per nite. Living room with 2 comfy easy chairs, sofa, working gas fireplace, and very s=oft sheets. My lady visitors loved th eplace.
7. Did I mention the exchange rate?
Traveler0099
EZE_Amante
02-11-03, 08:24
I agree in part about the hidden faces of the internet girls, but two of the most beautiful women I've met in BA had their faces totally hidden in their ads. I have also had the opposite experience, so I guess it is hit and miss, but you always have the option of sending them away if you don't care for their looks when they arrive. I prefer the internet girls at times, for several reasons. First, you don't have any hidden fees such as entrance or bar fines. Also, I just like the idea of ordering an italian dinner, some wine, and a beautiful little 21 year old for an afternoon, much like I would order a pizza here. I can negotiate an equitable price over the phone without having to leave the comfort of my apartment or hotel. I never sleep alone, there are some nights when the clubs are so dead, I've ended up with lesser quality than I desire because of the lack of talent on a given night. I could go on and on, but the majority of the internet girls I've had are part timers, meaning they are working their way through college, and definitely have plans for the future that don't include hooking.
YMMV as always, but I tend to judge the body in the photo very critically, then the face, and if I am ever unhappy with the girl when she shows up, I send her on her way and move on to the next. I usually have an internet chica or two in the afternoon, then hit the clubs around midnight Monday through Saturday, then arrange for an all day/night date from one of my favorites for Sunday.
EZE :)
Originally posted by jak
gatofelix -
I usually avoid the "faceless" girl from any site. The body is more important than the face to me, but the face has to have a likeable quality to it even if it is average. So often the pictures, when they are real, do not match the reality at the door. It's not worth the risk if you have a big selection like the B.A. sites.
With that said, I have not travelled to B.A. yet. I will be going in less than two months, much to the appreciation of this great site and the wonderful posts. If it matches the great expectations I have, I am planning an extensive trip this summer - maybe a few months. This is why I found your 2/10 post on the other section comparing Lima and Buenos Aires so interesting! I would like to spend extensive time in both cities mongering, but I will only have a B.A. experience before I start making summer plans. I hope many don't find this comparison topic to be in the wrong place, but I would like to hear some posters opinions who have experienced both cities (most comparisons with B.A. have been with Rio).
I will give back with my own experiences in the future when I get them. Thanks to all that can give input.
You can have best of both worlds: Go to BA and get a Peruvian girl: there are still a lot of them!!!
I don't know WTF all this Montreal business is here, but Traveler 0099, rock on if you like to pay $120 US for your hotels and $130 US for your sex. I will take the Dazzler for $30 US and my sex for $25 US and my beers for fifty cents.
And come on, no quantity discount for the second girl? What's up with that? $100 US per hour sucks whether it's in the US, Canada, or Mada-fucking-gascar.
Octaron, man, I know you're busy and I know the board was down for a while but I want to hear about Maria. I miss her mouth and her pussy. I went on a date last night and dinner was $40 including drinks and tips. That price did not include any bare back deep throat blow jobs, at all. And, the food wasn't very good.
23 days and counting.
OttoGraham
02-11-03, 14:13
Montreal and Toronto information should be posted in those sections, not here!
-Uncle Otto
i am very wary of meeting an internet girl with no face in the picture. however, i have no issues calling the internet girls with faces in their's.
not that you can't find a gem, but too often there's good reason the face is hidden, and it's not always becuase they wish to keep a secret from friends/family!
Traveler0099
02-11-03, 17:00
Having hobbied in 10 countries on 4 continents, I enjoy both South America and Canada.
Yes, I agree that Montreal posts belong there and I have posted there about Saint's comments as well. My post came after 4 other comments here that are clearly from guys who have not spent much time in Montreal or who have not seen the right ladies.
Saint:
My offer to "show you the ropes" still stands. Other than India, who I experienced as a dud and her agency is not one of Montreals' best, and I am not sure who you saw. I offered Saint some wonderful alternatives and he chose not to use them. Dommage.
Octaron:
"Attitudes suck"? Man, who did you see there?
criminal_Bush:
Same statement to you as Octaron.
Guys, I suggest that you read the TBD Montreal Board or look at www.canbest.com to see what a lively escort, incall, and strip club scene Montreal has.
Are these ladies $40 an hour? Of course not. Montreal is in Canada, a first world city, not third world.
Are all rooms in Montreal over $100 USD a night? Of course not. All depends on what you want to spend.
I can take a plane from the US on a Friday afternoon, get in several dates, great meals, and hit a few strip or jazz clubs, and be back Sunday night for dinner. Anyone care to try this routine to BA?
Sure, for a week-long trip, once you factor everything in, BA or Brazil probably beat Montreal. Factor in closeness, little or no language barrier, the safety of Canada, the sweetness and affection of Montreal girls, and prices far below those in the USA, and you have a winner.
'Nuff said.
I will be visiting BA in early May, so I look forward to all of your good information. And I wil be writing a trip report.
Thanks.
Trav
Just came back from a 2 week trip in BA. Overall life has not changed that much since last time I was there (5 years ago) except that sex is 2 to 3 times cheaper than it was.
OVERALL currently the best place is MADAHOS, Internet girls are a bit disapointing and newspapers adds very disapointing.
REPORT CARD
INTERNET GILS :
Alessandra (escorts argentina) also available at www.nazarenabazan.com.ar, my first choice but she was on vacation
Muriel (escorts argentina) : 200P per hour, mid thirties, nice face, nice body, very nice boobs, not so good session : covered blow job, a bit cold, not recommended
LIV (escorts argentina) also available at www.liv.com.ar, good session, older than the pics may suggest, covered blow job, no anal, good fingering, good attitude, 100us$ per hour
MELI (altosex) : 120P per hour, very good session, 930Paraguay, very good body, average face, uncovered blow job ,anal, came twice (second time in mouth), recommended
ANY (altosex) : 60P per hour, big boobs, ok session in Zona SUR
RECOLETA CLUBS
MADAHOS : best club up to 80 girls, no 9 or 10 but full of 7 and 8.
Allessandra: tallest girl, short red hair, great body, uncovered blow job, anal, very good session, great attitude, 200P + 30P exit drink + 35P extra time (in total 2,5 hours)
Adriana : 34 years old, brunette, very thin like a classic ballerine, great session, uncovered blow job, anal, 200P + exit drink
Alessandra2 (real name sandra) great body, long curly dark hair, good session, no anal
SHAMPOO: five years ago this place was packed with 9 and 10, no more the case, i went there 4 times and eacht time the place was dead
BLACK : Packed with too young ladies for my taste, last saturday the place has a couple of 9 but the asking price of 200us$ was just not for me
PLAYWOMAN and SOLID GOLD : nothing of interest
NEWPORT : interesting place
Christina : early thirties, nice face, uncovered blow jobs, no anal, 150 P
Alessandra : brazilian blonde with great boobs and an incredible body (in fact look better naked than dressed), uncovered blow job, no anal, good session but a bit quick, 150P
MICRO CENTRO CLUBS :
HOOKS: suipacha
Andrea, vet student, tall, thin brunette, 27 years old, very good session, uncovered blow job , anal, came twice (second time in mouth), 100P + 20P exit drink
CAFE ORLEANS day time
Colombian chicas with big fake boobs, 150P + 40P hotel, ok session
STREGAS: Cerrito 306, arrived late 5AM but interesting place
PUYERREDON AFFAIRE:
Marcella, brunette, big boobs, well shaped body, good session 60P, 10P entry fee, covered blow job
Cther club on Puyereddon (a block down) not so good + hefty entrance fee of 30p
FLORES
La Nuit : san pedrito/directorio
good place though down market compare with Madahos, 7P entry fee, 60P session, had a great anal session with an older chicas (you can't miss her she is the older one)
PALERMO
Nuevo Estilo : not so great, chicas too young
NEWSPAPER ADDS:
Ambito financiero, Clarin, la nacion
visited 10 adds, every time very disappointing
OTHERS ISSUES
Hotel: Stayed at Etoile, suite diplomatic : 198P + 21%, ask for suite in the front (frente) (room number ending with 6), facilities a bit rundown but the best location in BA
Security : BA is a very safe city days and nights
CONCLUSION : Good trip but coming from Europe I would say that asset quality is higher in the top german clubs such as Atlantis and happy garden
Boy in Lima
02-11-03, 18:00
Hi.This is my first post in WSG , and i got so many questions about BsAs , i'm expected to travel there on April, 2003.So here's the list of questions:
1.What about the days April 17th and 18th for the hobbies, it seems these are holidays and possibly clubs like Play Woman and Black's are closed?
2. I called a couple of girls at Area-Vip and one of they told me that they charge 200 pesos for one hour on her apartment but if i wanted her on my apartmente, she would charge me USD $100!!!. When i asked why she told me it's coz she'd spend more time in there. Is this a usual behaviour of these girls?
3. As for Brazilian girls at area-vip website, are they dangerous in terms of hiv and all other desiese?
4. Any experiences with girls of Area-vip , which seem pretty hot all of them.
These are my questions for now,
Thank you
Someboyinlima
JackDaniels
02-11-03, 21:09
This conversation on internet girls intrigues me.
I have only had one, the acclaimed Sandy. I did this on the basis of the experiences of your good selves, the contributors to this board. Sandy was great !
Now, if this was an afternoon thing, then yes, the option of sending away an unsuitable one is always an option. However, if it was an evening dalliance, who wants to waste the evening dealing with bait and switch and no shows. I would rather go to a bar and check out the talent, and of course the personality, before I spend my time and money. I had several from the clubs who were very good - why take a chance with the internet girls ? Sure on the internet, you could get an absolute gem...or a dog.
Cheers.
MRLA,
Is DESYI the same as Lorena from Platynum - Brazilian?
I have great interest in her and want to know if she is the same one you met with. You mentioned DESYI from gemidos, whom I can not find.
I know some of the board has been with Lorena ( Platynum - Brazilian ) and any insight would be appreciated. I think Saint was with her and the report back was not inspired.
Earlier posts indicated a great amount of footsoldiers in the BA area these days, so we all await new reports from the street reporters.
Ibiza
Originally posted by frans
PALERMO
Nuevo Estilo : not so great, chicas too young
frans, could you explain what you mean by too young?
Are you saying they were under age?
Too immature to take seriously?
You only like older women?
I can't imagine what the problem would be with young chicas.
Thanks,
Guillermo
someboyinlima:
1) During Easter, people leave the city if possible. Therefore, many clubs will have few girls and others will be closed, while Internet girls head towards the beach. Easter is not a good time to hit BA.
2) Girls will try to get US$100 if you are a foreigner. Just tell them you know the ropes and they will lower the price.
My advise is to never call the girls from abroad to set appointments, because it's useless and gives the signal that you really want them. Many people posted several times that they had to dial 10, 20 or more different numbers before getting an Internet girl.
3) HIV can be enywhere. Just take usual precautions.
4) I had a bad experience with Oriana (see my report, 1st day). Many foreign and local mongers mentioned that photos in Area-Vip are pretty much "enhanced".
Hope this helps,
Andres
Frans:
Thanks for the info!
I bet that I know the old chica at La Nuit. Was a lady with great body but many wrinkles in her face? I have seen her in the business for several years.
By the way, I'm surprised that Playwoman opened so fast after the scandal.
Cheers,
Andres
SomeboyinLima,
Like I tell everyone else....don't even bother emailing or calling those Area-vip girls until you get to BA. It's a waste of time really unless you want to set something up for the day you arrive. First of all...these girls don't really know what they will do tomorrow let alone next week or next month when you arrive. So many guys are excited and get caught up with this.
Many times these girls don't even answer their own emails. You're getting their standard answer. I've seen a ton of Area-Vip girls and I talk to them about all this stuff. Even the hottest Area-Vip girls should charge 200 pesos for one hour or 1.5 hours. Some will ask for a ton but usually will negotiate unless they are very busy.
Even though there are a ton of posts now...take the time to go back and research. Read all the posts. Everything you could possibly want to know is covered in old posts by guys that post.
As to Ibiza's post. Yes, I was with Lorena/Andrea but he is totally wrong when he posted I had a mediocre session with her. Go back and read. I posted how great of a session I had with her. I had a total GFE session with her. She even let me take tons of naked pictures. Keep in mind I know other guys that saw her and didn't get total GFE with her. YMMV probably depending on your spanish skills and your age, looks, etc.
Good luck.
Originally posted by saint
SomeboyinLima,
As to Ibiza's post. Yes, I was with Lorena/Andrea but he is totally wrong when he posted I had a mediocre session with her. Go back and read. I posted how great of a session I had with her. I had a total GFE session with her. She even let me take tons of naked pictures. Keep in mind I know other guys that saw her and didn't get total GFE with her. YMMV probably depending on your spanish skills and your age, looks, etc.
Good luck.
Saint
I stand corrected regarding your Lorena post, It was MRLA that mentioned he sent her away after 1 hour. I am not sure if he is talking about the same girl, as he mentions Deysi ( Lorenas name in Sensualbaires ) from Gemidos. I have not found a Desyi in Gemidos, So he may not even be talking about her.
Anyway, thanks for your reviews of Lorena.
Ibiza
Originally posted by saint
SomeboyinLima,
As to Ibiza's post. Yes, I was with Lorena/Andrea but he is totally wrong when he posted I had a mediocre session with her. Go back and read. I posted how great of a session I had with her. I had a total GFE session with her. She even let me take tons of naked pictures. Keep in mind I know other guys that saw her and didn't get total GFE with her. YMMV probably depending on your spanish skills and your age, looks, etc.
Good luck.
Saint
I stand corrected regarding your Lorena post, It was MRLA that mentioned he sent her away after 1 hour. I am not sure if he is talking about the same girl, as he mentions Deysi ( Lorenas name in Sensualbaires ) from Gemidos. I have not found a Desyi in Gemidos, So he may not even be talking about her.
Anyway, thanks for your reviews of Lorena.
Ibiza
guillermo,
Nuevo Estilo chicas are about 20-25 yeras old; I am 43 and I just prefer ladies in their mid-thirties.
Andres, Yes this the same lady ; I find her extremely sexy and her body is still in great shape.
Last thing, I forgot to mention Crocodilo (Gallo 1311), the action starts quite late (around 3am) but it's a great place to finish the night (open till 8AM)
Boy in Lima
02-12-03, 17:46
Thanks Saint and Andresg1967
Can anyone confirm if possible what clubs are not opening April 17 and 18? And to what days these holidays extend to?
I've checked and April 2th is also a day off (argentinian celebration).
Unfortunately I wll be there since April 1th to 15th an it seems several holidays will be happening during the time i will be there.
someboyinlima
Member #1698
02-13-03, 20:49
Special section for: Mada....
I note Sr. Dickhead did not want his own apartheid posts section...
But Sr. Jackson, what I suggest is a section for quotable outtakes from great Pots...ie. not interesting facts or links but zingers, droleries, disgusting or grotesque details and hard-core "Gonzoid' mongering observations/descriptions/action scenes/and pervy insanity...
So, the section could then have sub-topics devoted to board heroes/goats...
Personally, I've become addicted to Dickhead's hardcore hard-boiled Bukowski-ish/Hunter Thompson-esque street tales and hominems...
My latest DH fave quote is as follows:
"...And come on, no quantity discount for the second girl? What's up with that? $100 US per hour sucks whether it's in the US, Canada, or Mada-fucking-gascar."
Actually, Madagascar is on my personal top 5 mongering spots list but DH's deadpan know-nothing riffs are the right stuff!
Then of course there's the whole question of a snuff-sex section...
Joke/Joke
Are the prices listed at: www.escorts-argentina.com
in Pesos or Dollars?
someboyinlima:
I have no clue what clubs will be open during the Easter. I guess that owners will open anyway and close a few hours later if the night turns sour.
Anyway, you should have a great time between April 1st and 15th.
Andres
Originally posted by man
Are the prices listed at: www.escorts-argentina.com
in Pesos or Dollars? Simple enough, they are listed in which ever country's currency you wish them to be.
That is, for those stupid enough to talk of us$, fail to specify ar$, or actually pay us$ - then the price is us$.
The well-studied monger that wants ar$ pricing (through his communications and actions) gets ar$.
Earth to Octatron. Come in, Octatron. I want to hear about Maria. 19 days and counting.
Argentina is the place to shagg, oh- behave, or NOT! I agree with many of the comments made regarding the action in B.A. I have visited only once (past August) and found to be the women to be very attractive. I have been to over 40 countries and can honestly say that Argentina is one of my favorites. The city is beautiful, the food is excellant and the night life is full of fun and ADVENTURE. Sorry, 1st post went out a little premature, no pun intended. Anyway, as for my experiences in B.A. , I have found the women in Blacks to be the most attractive and, as mentioned often in this forum, the most expensive. I've visited PLaywoman only once and have found it to be acceptable, a number of 7's and 8's, to be had here for sure. As for the internet ads, my experience had been fairly poor, most of the advertised woman that I saw were older than expected, although, in very good condition physically. I mentioned this to one of the older girls that came to my room and she set me up with a great looking younger friend that was in the business as well, so you might want to try this out with some of the girls that you got along with but you know you aren't going to call again.As for the hotel experience, it was far from the action so I won't even mention it here.
Lastly, I will be in B.A. the 1st of March and plan to do quite a bit of shagging. I'll be staying at the Dazzler, if any one wants to meet up and go out please let me know, however, if your the loud and obnoxious type your probably better of hanging with someone else.
11 days and counting, Yeah Baby.
Fat Bastard
02-19-03, 16:31
Octatron,
Any possibility I can email you? Or could you please email me?
fatbastard1962@yahoo.com
Thanks FB
I just have one comment for people who post here, when refering to girls' prices as low or too high or even just fine, please print how much is the price in consideration, I haven't been in Argentina but soon I'll be traveling to Buenos Aires and would like to see the prices that everybody posts so as to have a reference point.
Thank you.
I do not see what all the hype is about BA right now. Just spent my first night and became quite disappointed. Visited the likes of Madahos, Playwoman, and even walked around Florida but only saw skanky old hags. The clubs were better but girls were still a mixed bag. Madahos had the prettiest girls but there were 5 men to every women and it was too packed to walk around nor sit down.
Finally returned to a new place called Ciceron where I met a 19 year old with her first day on the job. Place just opened this week so thought what the heck. Turns out she has had 2 babies, the first one died and she was still lactating from the second. A complete turn off but since we were already in the hotel room when I uncovered this, oh well. 40 minutes later, not one hour and having only gone around once, her taxi was downstairs to pick her up. Only gave her 120 and not 150 pesos as disgusted with the whole affair. Women in most clubs were shooting for the stars as one told me $300 USD, not $300 AR, get real. Called an escort who quoted $150 but turned out to be USD and not AR when she arrived. As she was in her mid 30s, I sent her home without thinking so much. If you are going to do this hobby, you should be after women you can not easily attain otherwise what is the point. Plus the chain smoking in clubs really took a toll on me along with jet lag last night. And by the way, I speak very good Spanish so arguments were long on pricing.
As I am still here one more night, would anyone know where to find Nuevo Estilo mentioned in Palermo area? Hotel is in this area so wanted to stay nearby.
Also, how would I get in touch with other mongers there or with Roxana, could really use the overview tour. Willing to give things another chance as maybe I am too new, I made all the new mistakes. Was also going to try Blacks and Shampoo tonight but if these are more expensive, then I might shy away from there too.
basic new-monger errors:
(posted not to offend nor say 'i told you so' to anyone,
but so new ones might learn from mistakes)
- always specify ar$ at the club or on the phone, before arriving at the hotel
- always specify a minimum time, if you desire to have one
- for phone girls (internet, newspaper) specify you want the exact girl, and any specifics (age, bbbj, non-smoker, etc.)
hey, you get what you ask for, and silence on any topic (failure to discuss) is an implied understanding of 'i'll accept anything in that area'.
since the recent post is time sensitive (tonight), estilo nuevo is on la pampa and alcorta (i think that's it) - anyway, la pampa one blk off of libertador. get there before 11p to have first dibs.
shampoo is better after 2a.
Fat Bastard
02-20-03, 21:38
Seoulmac,
Concerning Estilo Nuevo Boliche: It's about 150 yards from the corner of La Pampa and Figueroa Alcorta. Both streets are pretty well known by the cabbies. You will know you are at the right corner because there is a nice restaurant by the name of Selquet there. Also, ENB does not have a sign....just look for a line of guys or be listening for music...the place blends right in with the surrounding buildings.
It sounds like you are just making some newbie mistakes...like we all have done in the past. Take about 30 minutes and read some previous posts to get an idea of prices/going rates.
Thanks for the info, I will give it another go tonight but over at Estilo Nuevo. After reviewing posts again and seeing the Internet girls again, I did choose what I did, unfortunately she must have traveled in the time machine taxi as she aged right before me. Still saw it was her though so can not complain otherwise.
Did go to the right places for those mentioned here- Madahos, Shampoo, Playwoman, etc. but just had some bad luck on a Wedesday at midnight. Weekends are probably better. Hope to give better report this evening, in the meantime, looking forward to another $4 steak dinner.
Lastly, I was clear with everything I wanted up front last night but still felt cheated on time and frequency. Being German, we probably appear too demanding or direct as a result but it saves time and frustration later. Better to argue before than after is what I think but I disliked having to argue twice!
Then again, returning from Asia, nothing else can compare for the GFE and all nighters.
Traveler0099
02-20-03, 22:44
Re Area-Vip ....
Has anyone seen any of these girls recently and could make a few recommendations? Especially interested in Lara.
Thanks in advance.
Making recommendations is what Roxana does all the time. That's part of what you get when you pay her $10.00 to make your appointment for you. She knows which chicas to recommend based on the experiences that the other guys had with them.
Seoulmac,
Sorry you're not having a good time. Read Leo's tips. The dude is totally correct. Some rookie mistakes but to your defense....the quality in the clubs had really deteriorated throughout last year. Many of the super hotties have gone to Brazil, Spain, Chile and other destinations.
Also, don't even think about pulling hotties out of the clubs till past 12:30 AM or 1 AM. Many girls don't even get to the clubs till after 1 AM. Just be really direct with the girls in what you want on the phone.
Like I've posted before....I don't just like BA for the women. I really love the city. Great restaurants and great people. Have fun and good luck.
Saint
JamesBond69
02-21-03, 00:30
Originally posted by seoulmac
[i]I do not see what all the hype is about BA right now. The clubs were better but girls were still a mixed bag. Madahos had the prettiest girls but there were 5 men to every women and it was too packed to walk around nor sit down.It's not hype. The chicas in Buenos Aires are world class. When you mention that Madahos had 5 men to every woman I think the problem is that you are there in the wrong time of year - the summer when all the chicas are out of town.
When I was in Buenos Aires in November-December the ratio in Madahos was 5 to one women to men and there were some incredibly beautiful women that came with GFE.
Buenos Aries is a the best place in the world.
You guys are also overlooking the fact that the Argentine men, who will comprise 80% of the patrons in many of the clubs, aren't there to pickup the women. The girls know this, and they're always wary of these guys trying to waste their time. Madahos was packed, but did you observe how many of the girls are just standing around alone? As an American, aren't going to have any trouble getting their attention. All you have to do is ask.
Jackson
seoulmac
RE: your comment about "not understanding what all the hype is about in BA". Without question there is some validity to your observation
We mongers are guilty of laying it on a tad thick when we have a good time in a city.
For example, If I visit a club that has 40 chicas that are below average (4s & 5s) but I see a handful of hotties in the 7 range (with great bodies)--as long as I score one of the hotties and receive excellent service, well then, I tend to cheerfully extole a clubs virtue's whilst ignoring its faults.
The converse of that example is also true: if I go to a great club that has hot chicks but I receive shitty service from the chica then I tend to complain too vociferously about the place.
Give the scene a chance. Visit all the clubs. There are hundreds of hotties to ferret out. Be patient and enjoy the hunt--that's half the fun. (who wants to shoot fish in a barrell?)
PS....Advce to mongers everywhere.
Try this next time you meet a chica: tell her that you have been relocated to BA for a year and that you are only staying in your hotel only until you find a phat apartment. You will immediately transform yourself from a one-time tourist, to a potential regular customer. This little white lie works wonders in making the girl's performance level rise.
Afterall, the girls fib to us, we fib to them. Its all fun and games.
As a guy who actually does live here and actually does have an apartment, I can tell you that it does make a difference in the performance levels I've received.
Jackson
[Maria]
LA Larry's advice is excellent and I have been using that falsehood for a long time. Also note that SeoulMac is NOT American but rather German, where they have the FKK clubs. That might account for why he is somewhat underwhelmed. As for me, I will go to Nuevo Estilo and maybe some of those apartment type places Andres recommended, perhaps La Nuit, and most likely Cafe Orleans at least once. I will also make more of an effort to nail some more amateurs just for laughs, and of course I will sleep with Marta every night. She will get the "tail end of the stick," so to speak. I will eat a lot and drink a lot of inexpensive beer and wine and I just might go to a soccer match, preferably a Boca Juniors game. That's not even considering the possibility of running into Maria again. How bad could it be? I didn't even have to pay for the plane ticket.
Oh, and LALarry, I am totally into shooting fish in a barrel. If I want a challenge I'll join the Marines. 14 days, or 13 days, and counting, and getting horny.
Okay, tried out Estilo Nuevo and can say things went much better. Reverse numbers this time as there were about 20 girls and only 4 guys. Got there at 10 but no show until 11 I was told. Girls were younger and some did have great bodies, but I chose the waitress because we clicked really well laughing and talking and they not being available to everyone only made it more exciting. Too bad you can not take the girls out but paying equivalent of $25 USD for a 20 min. romp upstairs who can complain. And lady drinks are only $3 USD!
Yes, I am German but having spent so much time in the States and studying in university, have become more American. It is also where I picked up my bad habit as American girls run you around in circles with their mind games but that is a whole other story.
I guess I would have to say BA is promising and I can see why others like it. You get to enjoy the good temperature, good exchange rate and yet still have the relative safety feel of a large European city.
I thought I had a great cheat list reading the boards here but maybe missed on timing. Afterall, it took me 3 days to find out where the action was in Manila as everybody kept sending me to regular discos thinking that is where a young guy would want to go and I did not know about WSG.
I have been in BA for a couple of days now. Will be going to meet some other mongers in about a half an hour so do not have time for a long report.
I was in Madahos the same night as seoulmac and did not think the ratio of men to women was bad. There were plenty of women available (unfortunately, not the one that I was interested in). I was in several other Recoleta bars that night and thought that Madahos had the best choice of women.
I can also attest that many women do not show up to the bars until late. I started in the downtown bars last night a little after 11pm. I hit the five that I have read about on this board (Cutty Sark, Periplo, Catto, Hook, Ness) and in all of them there were almost no people. However, for those that like their women fresh, all the bars had several women (4 to 7 per bar) and virtually no male customers (a couple of bars did have 0 male customers) so it was like shooting fish in a barrel. I found a fine women at Cutty Sark for 160pesos (no bargaining) that had no desire to get back to the bar even though we left relatively early. So I was a happy fellow.
Originally posted by Traveler0099
Re Area-Vip ....
Has anyone seen any of these girls recently and could make a few recommendations? Especially interested in Lara.
Traveler0099,
Lara (not her real name), is a beautiful woman, and you will have a good time with her. Be careful of letting her have too much to drink, as she can get a bit wild and obnoxious with too much liquor. That might be fun though. :)
Have her dress up, take her to dinner, and out to Blue Bay in Recoleta for dancing, then bring her back for a good time.
Enjoy the life,
Moondog
Just a general question about Estilo Nuevo. Is it strictly "on premises consumption"? The girls cannot be taken out of the club even for a fee?
Thanks,
Guillermo
It's strictly "on premises", which I why I go for the scene and the show but I never take any of the girls. I'm just not into having sex in a dank room lit with a single bulb hanging from the ceiling.
Jackson
Hi All. Planning my 1st trip down to BA in April, and was hoping to get any feedback on the internet girls. I'm blown away by the selection you see at some of the sites. I was particularly interested to find out if anyone as had the pleasure to have hooked up with Alessandra, Ayelen or Lara from escorts-argentina? They seem incredible! Any reviews would much appreciated. Also was curious how the internet girls compare to the club girls? Are the internet girls strictly business, or do they really make a point to "satisfy" (BBJ,daty,greek,etc..). Also typically the price quoted, is that US. or AR. pricing. I see many want between a $100 to $150? is this reasonable?
Sorry so many questions, but can't wait to make it down there.
Thanks!
MJ
Making recommendations is what Roxana does all the time. That's part of what you get when you pay her $10.00 to make your appointment for you. She knows which chicas to recommend based on the experiences that the other guys had with them.
100 - 150 in PESOS is reasonable for the internet girls. If you are going to pay 150 instead of 100 make sure you get two shots or two hours or something nonstandard. Do not negotiate in dollars. Do not pay in dollars. I was 3/3 on DATY and 2/3 on BBBJ. YEMV. 1 of 3 was "all business" and the other two just wanted to have fun. Did not do any of the 3 names you mentioned but Lara looks cute.
Re: Pricing. This is a dominant theme throughout this and other boards.
My humble opinion is that gringo tourists will be quoted in US $, just because we are naive enough to ask. This is especially common if we don't speak Spanish. Locals always will be quoted in pesos. The reason is that many gringos will actually pay the dollar rate, which is less than average US rates anyway. Can't blame the girls for trying as they have some success with this approach. They will take what they can get, and why shouldn't they. It's how they pay the rent and the pretty clothes we like to see them wear. They make a quick calculation based on what they think the client's profile is, and then throw out a number to see if it sticks. And if the client is unappealing, she may not budge.
Anyway, to give you a flavor of what locals deal with, there is a site featuring various girls ranging from Clarin level to Area-Vip models, and the rates range from 15-42 pesos for short term. I know that one of the ex fashion models from Area-Vip was charging local clients 50-90 pesos for short term. The going rate before the devaluation was 100-200 pesos, but it was unsustainable in the current economy as regular Joes don't have the cash they used to.
I am no communist, but there is something to be said in defense of the "Give according to ability, receive according to need" maxim. We are like millionaires in Buenos Aires now given the currency situation coupled with the economic depression, and the girls know it. So playing it down the middle works out to be a nice win-win for both parties. Why not make everyone happy the short time we are visiting this paradise.
BB
Well, I don't know if you can directly compare the Clarin girls and the internet girls, because in the case of the internet girls you have "seen" them and have some idea if they are your type at least. Therefore the Clarin girls should be a little less expensive for that reason alone. Although, I am sure a lot of the internet girls advertise in the Clarin and vice versa. I went for the internet girls because I was able to print out pictures of a few that I fancied before I left. If I were there for longer, I would start trying the ads. I will actually be there for even less time next month so I don't want to have to waste time maybe turning someone away.
For 100 pesos in Buenos Aires right now, I judge a guy should get more than "short term" but should rather get an unhurried hour, and that was pretty much my experience. I have a different take on the whole "millionaire" thing since I am in one of the "helping" professions that society does not seem to value adequately (meaning I am radically underpaid given my education and training). Especially if I am going to be able to travel at all, I need to watch my money.
Also, I think sociologically it is a double-edged sword. Being overly generous with the girls down there hurts the local guys down there. So I would say 100 pesos is somewhere in the middle of what a savvy local might pay and what a clueless gringo who did not read our board might pay. Some guys are talking about 15 peso blow jobs and some are talking about $150 US. I have a free lay down there so maybe that will make me more generous .... or maybe it will make me LESS generous. We shall soon see.
But there is absolutely, positively NO need to pay anywhere near $100 US in my opinion. Just go to Mexico if you want to pay that; it's a lot closer (I don't pay $100 US in Mexico either; $50-$60 typically).
Beachboy Commie -
Because it will ruin it for us. There have already been comments about women quoting dollar figures and holding tight. Even a poster that had Roxana call from Jackson's apartment was firm on this, and I think the market could start getting ruined, despite what some others have said about the market being too big to be affected by some guys paying too much in dollars or pesos. I like Dickhead's AR$ 150 for two hours rate (AR$200 tops for the stunners?). I'm going down soon for my first trip, and am planning a long trip this summer if all looks fine. I hate the "rich American" attitude from women no matter what country I'm in.
"When in Rome, insist on paying what the Romans pay"
[Maria]
Or Maria for 80 pesos for multiple shots, no rush, DATY, BBBJ TC, not at all stuck up, hard working, and needs the money. GRATEFUL to get 80 pesos. Even more grateful to get 100 pesos of course. Probably grateful for 50 pesos since as I said she says she often goes days without a customer, which is a tragic, shameful waste of pussy.
Beachboy:
The problem with being generous is that girls get VERY accustomed to that and, given the greed that any human being grows when perceiving a juicy opportunity, the girls may not get a ceiling for their demands.
For instance, I remember that a monger reported in the CH forum that a girl wanted to charge him US$1,100 for a night (In BA! Go figure...). This is an example of why girls should be controlled as bratty little sisters. Otherwise, their inner beasts get unleashed.
Hope this helps,
Andres
About Internet and Clarin ads
A local monger did the following:
1) Took the phone numbers of Gemidos and Platynum girls.
2) Went to www.clarin.com and searched in the current 550-600 ads of Clasificados Rubro 59 (under Oportunidades) for the phone number matches.
3) Got an Excel cross-reference spreadsheet (taking notice of the names used in Clarin and in the Internet).
A somewhat boring and tedious work (2 or 4 hours), but worthwhile in terms of discounts. Of course, it should be repeated from time to time since girls change names and locations.
Then, when he went to visit the girls, he mentioned that he saw the ad in Clarin, since girls usually charge only 50 and 70% of the Internet rate for these calling from newspapers. Guys usually get ar$60 when calling from Clarin for the same ar$100 fee when calling using the girl's Internet name.
I believe that girls have a ridiculous idea portraying that those guys with access to computers have money while those that read ads are low tech and thus poor. Whatever... that works.
If one of you have spare time, you may do such search (you only need to search for phone numbers, so no advanced Spanish skills are required).
Hope this helps,
Andres
Now THAT is my kind of a monger. I am a lazy Dickhead so I will not go to all that trouble but maybe I will just take a chance and lie and say I saw them in Clarin ... or maybe I will just take 10 or 15 internet girls I like and see if I can spot the numbers in Clarin.
Originally posted by Guillermo
Just a general question about Estilo Nuevo. Is it strictly "on premises consumption"? The girls cannot be taken out of the club even for a fee?
Thanks,
Guillermo
It's strictly "on premises", which I why I go for the scene and the show but I never take any of the girls. I'm just not into having sex in a dank room lit with a single bulb hanging from the ceiling.
Jackson
There is a transitorio [sp?} auberge (short time hotel) next door to the ENB -see my December post. I took one lovely young chica from ENB there for a 1-hour session at $37Pesos for a 3 hour room with Jacuzzi and lots of electronic gadgetry. The place was very secure and the room was nice, clean, and nicely decorated.
Originally posted by andresg1967
For instance, I remember that a monger reported in the CH forum that a girl wanted to charge him US$1,100 for a night (In BA! Go figure...). This is an example of why girls should be controlled as bratty little sisters. Otherwise, their inner beasts get unleashed.
I like that, "bratty little sisters". Very apt, and very true.
A little philosopy for a quiet Saturday afternoon.
I tend to believe it's important to pay what's fair locally, and not throw money around, even though we can. Sex is not really a commodity, like pork bellies or bushels of wheat. If it was, everyone would pay the same fixed price, regardless. What we're buying from the chicas is a service. When we negotiate with the chicas, it's more like management/labor. Labor always bases it's demands on what it believes to be the profitability of the company. So local guys pay less, rich American Gringos pay more.
The value of a service really has nothing to do with the amount of available labor. It's based on the value of that labor to the employer. As Saint observed a while back, many of us are professionals and probably charge a fair amount of money for our services. Are we worth it? Only our clients can make that decision.
Sure there is a big pool of labor (chicas) in BA, but, as always, the skilled craftsmen will always be able to charge more for their services. The more money they think we have, the more they will charge. Which is why it's important to keep them in line.
Ultimately, it doesn't really make any difference. We mongers are a pretty independant lot, and will do what we want, regardless of what Karl Marx may think. And the girls will do their level best to extract the maximum value for their services. We may have the internet, but, if the clubs in BA are anything like the clubs in the rest of the world, they've got plenty of time to compare notes while waiting for their next customer. Women are not bushels of wheat, or barrels of oil. Women, after all, are human beings, capable of intelligent thought (yeah, I know, I can hear the jokes now, "What planet are your from, fella?").
At some point the market will reach an equilibrium and we will be off to the next "region of opportunity". In much the same way that jobs in Mexico are moving to China. All you can do is enjoy it while you can, realizing that no good thing lasts forever.
My 2 cents.
Guillermo
Originally posted by lotsafun
There is a transitorio [sp?} auberge (short time hotel) next door to the ENB -see my December post. I took one lovely young chica from ENB there for a 1-hour session at $37Pesos for a 3 hour room with Jacuzzi and lots of electronic gadgetry. The place was very secure and the room was nice, clean, and nicely decorated.
lotsafun,
Sorry to beat this to death, but ENB sounds like my kind of place.
I went back to read your post in Dec., no indication of what you paid to take the chica out of the club. Was there a bar fine, etc.? Or do you just pick a girl and away you go?
Thanks,
Guillermo
EZE_Amante
02-22-03, 21:47
Guillermo,
I've been reading this board and others like it for several years, and I've had the locals vs. gringos price discussion with mongers I've met in several countries. I've never heard it described or analysed any better than what you posted. Thanks for the input.
EZE :)
EZE_amante,
Thanks, I've given the subject a lot of thought. :-)
Guillermo
Guillermo,
I agree with alot of what you posted. I still maintain that the hottest girls will obviously be able to demand more but stand firm. I cannot for the life of me understand why guys are still paying in $US. Always, always always pay in PESOS. I know guys that paid or were quoted $100 US an hour by some hottie escorts that I paid 200 pesos for 1.5 hours. Never hurts to negotiate with them. Yeah, it may not be that romantic but you gotta deal with the realities of what we are doing.
While I would agree that women are NOT bushels of wheat or barrels of oil. I do think sex is a commodity in terms of what we are doing. Yeah, it most often times ends up being a very real interpersonal relationship with these girls. Many end up wanting some kind of personal relationship outside of the provider/client relationship. Still, in the beginning it's a commodity that will be able to be dictated by supply and demand.
Remember knowlege is power. Don't pay more than you have to for what you are looking for. There are also private houses that some of us have come across that only charge 100 pesos for an hour. Many have the same hot website girls there. We choose not to post info on it because some guys will just drive up the prices. We still have the luxury of seeing high class girls in Buenos Aires for not that much money. I'm going to London next week and I'm amazed at what the super hotties there are able to get. Most of the super models are asking for 300 pounds ($475 US per hour). Yikes. I do have an appointment with one but you can be sure I'll be thinking in the back of my mind how many sessions that will get in BA.
There is something for everyone in BA. Good luck.
Because the subject of prices and practices continues to appear in the forum, and because there is apparently a lot of mis-information on the subject, it appears that I'm going to need to continuously re-post these guidelines.
Prices in Buenos Aires
1. The standard rate paid by locals is 50 to 100 pesos.
2. The standard rate paid by foreigners is 150 pesos.
3. The top rate to be paid by anyone is 200 pesos.
4. Anyone paying more than 200 pesos is being taken.
Greetings everyone,
While I rarely have time to enter my own personal travel information after answering email and policing the forum every day, the recent postings herein regarding the prices being asked and paid by fellow travelers to Buenos Aires have compelled me to provide some guidelines on the subject.
I have been traveling to Argentina for several years now, including five trips last year and my current four month stay. I am intimately familiar with the scene here, including all the clubs and venues mentioned and several others that seem to have escaped the attention of the other posters. I've have several friends here, as well as a number of personal relationships with my favorite girls in most of the clubs and bars. I've also had the opportunity to see first hand the effects of the country's recent economic problems on the attitudes of the people and the chicas.
There are just a few rules to follow when hobbying in Buenos Aires, and if you follow them your experiences will be greatly enhanced.
1. The current acceptable price for a session in your hotel with a chica from any of the night clubs and bars EXCEPT BLACKS (see below) is 150 pesos. This number has held firm for several years, although there is some recent upwards price pressure, and I have been asked for 170 to 180 pesos recently. However, 150 pesos is the price that the vast majority of chicas will accept if you are firm.
2. If you do not want to bargain, you can simply offer them 200 pesos, which should be the price that makes the vast majority of them immediately pleased without further discussion. In the past weeks I've paid 200 pesos to several girls, especially if I knew them and I knew that they would provide good service.
3. Any chica that quotes you anything over 200 pesos, including these 250 peso or even the 300 dollar prices described herein, has sized you up as an idiot American tourist and is in fact insulting you with that offer. On those rare occasions in recent weeks where I was quoted such a price, my reaction is smile quietly and tell the chica to shove off.
Question: What does an Argentine chica say to you if she has no respect for you and thinks you are a complete idiot?
Answer: "One hunderd dollars"
4. It's important to know the correct price and to negotiate. I've said this before and I'll say it again: The idea behind negotiating is not to get the chica down to the lowest price, the idea is to pay a fair price. In addition, when understanding the Latina mind set, they will respect you if you are firm. Chalk it up to their culture's sense of macho. If you roll over at the first over-priced offer, they will have no respect for you, an attitude that will manifest itself in the quality of your session.
5. Lately, the girls have developed an annoying habit of asking to be paid in advance, many times waiting until they're half undressed and I've got my pants around my ankles. This is a recent development, and I talked with several friends of mine in the business about it. Apparently there has been a trend lately of Argentine men who are claiming poverty at the end of the session. Okay, that's unfortunate, but what's that got to do with me? I'm assuming that my fellow Americans who are visiting Argentina are behaving like gentlemen, and thus wouldn't even consided such reprehensable behavior. Besides, since as a foreigner I'm already paying twice as much as the Argentineans, I'm expecting to be treated with some measure of distinction.
Anyway, I strongly suggest that you always maintain a strict policy of paying when finished, if for no other reason than "sex is always better when I pay afterwards". A couple of times on my recent trip I was confronted with requests for payment in advance, upon which ensued a short discussion that, if failed to produce a resolution, led me to start putting my clothes back on while telling the chica to get dressed and that I would accompany her back to the club. This unprecedented series of events always left the chicas completely speechless, with a look on their face that is priceless, all to be followed by an immediate change of heart.
6. If a chica agrees to a price and then starts to change her mind at any time in the process (such as during a cab ride), just tell the driver to turn around and take her back to the club, bar, café, etc.
7. If there is any doubt as to the clarity or domination of the price, and simply as a good policy, ask her to write it down on a piece of paper or napkin, and then specify "pesos". Put the paper in your pocket in case there is a dispute later.
8. If a chica quotes you in dollars, insist on pesos, or get another chica.
9. If you are in Blacks, all the above rules are off, but then again, if you are in Blacks you are already making a mistake. Blacks is entirely over-rated, filled with barracudas looking for foreign tourists, and, in spite of the reviews of some posters herein, Blacks DOES NOT have a better selection than the other places in town. Over the years, I've probably gone in there a dozen times with the specific intent to pull a chica out of the place, and every time I've left alone.
10. With some exceptions, the more English a chica knows, the more likely she is try to play you for a tourist, which includes trying to get you to pay more than 200 pesos for a short time session, trying to get raise the price "in transit", trying to ask for more money for "additional services", insisting on a covered BJ, and demanding to be paid in advance, etc.
To be fair, this rule is not absolute, and I've certainly met some very nice chicas who spoke excellent English, but from my personal experiences, many of the ones with good English skills tend to realize that these skills give them a superior advantage in preying on unsuspecting tourists. Simply said, the ones with larceny in their hearts just can't help themselves.
11. Above all else, and assuming that you have the Spanish skills, always ask everything in advance. It's not very romantic, but I've learned from experience to tell them what I will pay, when I will pay it, and that I insist on a BBBJ. While you're still in the club or bar, you have all the control.
Jackson
Uh, oh guys! The Gods are not pleased. (Just kidding Jackson, just kidding!!!) :-)
Jackson, you're the man. BA is your town. You tell me what the prices are and that's what I'll stick to!
It might be helpful if you could publish just the pricing info in the "Links" section and then update it as you see fit. That way we will all know where to go to get a quick fix on what's appropriate at any given time.
Thanks,
Guillermo
Originally posted by Guillermo
lotsafun,
Sorry to beat this to death, but ENB sounds like my kind of place.
I went back to read your post in Dec., no indication of what you paid to take the chica out of the club. Was there a bar fine, etc.? Or do you just pick a girl and away you go?
Thanks,
Guillermo
See long report on 12/05
It was $200P for an hour, no bar fine. Berla (Pearl?) was, by a fair margin, the best looking chica there. To bad her performance wasn't up to par.
From what I've read other girls go for $75-80P for the half-hour.
"3. Any chica that quotes you anything over 200 pesos, including these 250 peso or even the 300 dollar prices described herein, has sized you up as an idiot American tourist and is in fact insulting you with that offer."
consider me the biggest dummy you ever met. i never met a girl that i have not over payed.
98% of the time i give them the cash before i leave the bar. you mean i am paying to early?????
starfe
Question: What does an Argentine chica say to you if she has no respect for you and thinks you are a complete idiot?
Answer: "One hunderd dollars"
I think your being a tad hard on some of us that really could not care less what we spend.
For those of us ( some ) who don't speak spanish and don't care to run from girl to girl until we get the RIGHT price, we will pay up to bag the right kill.
In the future i will try to hold off paying the girls before we leave the bar. i know i will end up giving them the money in the cab.
no self control
I hope you are well and staying out of trouble
starfe
Hi starfe,
With all due respect...
First, I don't "run from girl to girl". I make my selection and I tell them what I will pay, which 95% of the time is immediately acceptable because it is the going rate for Americans and twice what they would receive from the locals.
Second, paying the going rate (which is actually twice the local's rate) has nothing to do with speaking Spanish. Anyone can write a figure on an napkin.
Third, my concern is that I live here now, so I have to pay these prices every day, not just for a few weeks while on vacation. Frankly, I expect to spend 300 pesos a day, 360 days a year, which is approximately $33,000 USD per year on chicas. Nevertheless, I don't need to see this number escalate to, lets say $43,000 per year for no good reason other than the visiting Americans are pushing the price up by bidding against themselves.
My advice is that if you really believe there is a correlation between what you pay and the service you get (which there isn't), and if you genuinely want to pay more, then please go to Blacks. You can pay the girls in there a 1,000 dollars an hour and it wont effect any of us anywhere else in the city.
Fourth, my statement about the Argentina chica still stands. Pay whatever you like under the banner of "I don't care what I spend", but when you overpay, don't delude yourself: The chica will like your money, but she will think of you as a sucker.
And no, I'm not staying out of trouble here. In fact, I spend too much time lately keeping my girlfriends separated from each other.
Thanks,
Jackson
I think those that don't know Starfe personally might not get his humor. I think he was being sarcastic. (At least I hope so). I totally agree with Jackson on this point. I also plan to live in Buenos Aires full-time in the future. As it stands I spent about 60 days there last year and will spend at least that there this year.
All this hobbying can add up. Even if you have the money to throw around....paying these chicas more than the going rate for a one-time fling doesn't really make sense. When I live there I probably won't hobby everyday. I'm sure I'll get some novias but I'll always hobby. I'll always shake my head and wonder why guys are paying in US$ and why guys are overpaying.
I have been known to be generous with people and even girls if they are great. I always negotiate on the front end though. I agree....pay more or pay USD at Black's....it doesn't matter there as that place is another world of it's own. But even at Black's (depending on you) you can have sessions much cheaper than some guys are paying.
You're lucky Jackson. I'm so envious right now. Wish I was in BA now.
Gee, I don't know. I think once you have given the money to the girl, you have lost all negotiating control. That is why Asia is so much more fun, first the fun and then the pay which is generally done discreetly by slipping it in her hand when she leaves. All makes for a much better experience as there is less tension in the real act of having fun. This hustling of trying to get all the money from you before the club is just bull#^%. I only gave my girl from Ciceron 100 pesos at the club as I needed the 50 note for the taxi. After such a poor experience with her, dropped the remaining amount due from 50 to 20. She knew she was at fault and although she bitched about that is not what we had discussed, I countered with the 3 or 4 other things in which she failed too, ie. going only once when promised more, time cut from 1 hour to 40 minutes, rate was to include taxi to and from hotel, etc. She felt bad and gave me her cell number and promised to come the next day and make it up to me when she was not limited to the bar's strict restrictions and would only charge 100 for a full hour as many times as I wanted. Whatever, pricing and greediness already spoiled the mood.
Every transaction is based on perceived value. I think the price list is a great reference and should help many newbies on the scene in BA as there appears to be no "up to you" pricing in place. These girls will scratch your eyes out if you do not pay attention but then again, a few that you treat nice will respond in kind. Remember that in most countries, there is a two price system in place and as Westerners, we are penalized by it. Accept it but still go in with a game plan in terms of what your expectations are and what you plan to spend. The $300 USD quoted by the runway model at Madahos was insane. Such a pie in the sky figure thrown out like that made me chuckle and walk away. I didn't take her but at least I let her learn that she can't get away with that much and her next offer to someone else will be lower or if she expects to go out that night, she will have to come down. Sorry, but some of these girls need to be reminded that they are not worth their weight in gold and we can not be taken advantage of just because of what countries we are from.
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