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OttoGraham
03-25-03, 17:42
In my humble opinion it would be extremely unwise for anyone to book paid travel on United Airlines right now. The company could literally stop flying and go into liquidation at any minute; indeed, according to its current and former business partners, including the company that processes its credit card orders, there is only a "slight" chance that the company will survive.
If you wave Rule 145 in the face of the Aerolineas Argentinas ticket agent, I bet he will laugh at you and then ask for your Visa card to pay the $1000 one-way return flight to Miami. Maybe somebody will fly you home on standby - but when visiting BsAs flying United, you'd damn well better not spend your last money on trixies in BsAs, otherwise it is a long walk across the Amazon rain forest.
If you have United frequent flyer miles, by all means burn them all up, the way I did. I used to have A LOT.
-Uncle Otto
BUENOS AIRES GOLDEN BOOK
Some mogers mentioned the Buenos Aires Golden Book as a Top-Class executive escort service.
A guy at the local Yahoo forum posted the website of this company
www.bairesgoldenbook.com.ar
Maybe is a fake Golden Book agency. Who knows...
Hope this helps.
Andres
Originally posted by Yeah Baby
Can't wait to get back, 23 days to go!
Hi Yeah Baby and boys,
just a quick note to say that I am just back after 2 weeks in HEAVEN and I have already booked my next trip (3rd time in 6 months) .... I will be arriving in BA on Saturday 26th of April early in the morning and leaving on Sunday 04th of May (8 full days of fun) .... don't know yet where I am going to be staying but that's not a big issue .... I will be certainly spending lots of time with my Madaho's amigovia but guess will have also plenty of time to hook up with other mongers who will be there at the same time ....
Whoever is interested in hooking up can contact me here in the forum or at rob_roy5@hotmail.com ... As far as I know Jackson will be there as well during that time ....
Can't wait to get back, 30 days to go !
Ciao, RO
P.S. My girlie is telling me that 1 of the 2 good-looking bartenders in Madahos, Liliana (the other one being Silvina), has been fired on Sunday night .... so I guess you won't be seeing her anymore around there .... pity cos she was pretty hot and I chatted her up for a long while last Thursday nite but didn't push for anything (my girlie was not in Madohos that nite) because I thought she was not on the programme. The following day my girlie tells me that Liliana WAS on the programme (but not actively, let's say maybe once every 2 weeks, when being asked by somebody she liked, giving him her mobile number to meet the following day) and was actually "working" in Solid Gold (place next door) for a long while before becoming bartender in Madahos .... Insider information ;-)
Dashing Don
03-26-03, 03:50
Rob,
Just to let you know that b69, Tman777, I and several "lurkers" will be in BA on or around the same time. I will email you so that we can meet up. Any other adventurers interested in coming to BA at this time can write me at: snafle@hotmail.com
This last week of April/first week of May has all the hallmarks of an Invasion of the Mongol Hordes, or should I say, " Invasion of the Monger Hordes"--a "monger" being one for whom "neither rain nor shine nor lack of Vitamin V shall prevent said Monger from travelling thousands of miles to complete his rounds :)
Due to a previous post regarding a lack of hotel rooms at that time, I have already booked the diplomatic suite at the Etoile, scene of much action by James Bond and others. Just hope they change the sheets once in a while.
Don
Hey guys,
Will be in BA in early April....soon. I've been parusing the Clarin newspaper on line classifieds. So many ads. Are these the Apartment girls? See link below. If so, Only 10-25 pesos per hour? If this is true, its some of the best deals anywhere, or what is the catch? Someone please enlighten me. Thank you.
http://www.oportunidades.clarin.com/ResultadoBuscadorOportunidades.jsp?accion=NEXT&max_rows=50&absolutePosition=250
Originally posted by BigBruno
Hey guys,
Will be in BA in early April....soon. I've been parusing the Clarin newspaper on line classifieds. So many ads. Are these the Apartment girls? See link below. If so, Only 10-25 pesos per hour? If this is true, its some of the best deals anywhere, or what is the catch? Someone please enlighten me. Thank you.
Some are real, some are scams.
For instance, the Santa Fe 1707 girls publish there (reported as very good) but others are reposted as bait and switch.
Hope this helps.
Andres
Hysteromania
03-27-03, 09:23
Looking to stop in BA in June and then head out for some skiing. Does ski season in Las Lenas start in May? How is the action out there for chicas or should I invite the amiganovia? Any mongers planning on being down under end of May to mid June? Wish I could escape for Easter week but no vacation time left right now.
OutoftheGame
03-27-03, 11:45
PART VII. Sun. nite, how slow it is....unless your in Madaho's with MRLA.
This was my 3rd nite in town and I was shocked at how dead it was in Madaho's, but in some ways I like it like that. MRLA and myself cruised in around midnight and chatted it up a little with our favorite bartender. I did not plan on doing anything this nite since I was going to be here for 2 more weeks so maybe I could take a nite off. While I was enjoying the company of MRLA I couldn't help but notice every girl in the place looking at us, only about 7 guys hanging out. I begin to keep my eyes on an attractive brunette and invite her over for a drink, her name was Violeta and she says that she is going to school to be a Vet. she has a tattoo of a dog on her shoulder and mid length long dark hair and a good little body. When I would go there on other nites after this I noticed that she would always be talking to Barbi the hot little blond that many of you have talked about. After shatting a little more I bring up leaving and ask how much, now seeing that she is one of the better looking girls working I thought she would give me a ridiculous price, she told me 150 pesos for an hour. Now I might have been able to bargin a little less since it was a Sunday and business was slow but she did not insult me by trying to quote me in dollars so no need to worry about 50 pesos.
We get back to the apartment and she allowed kissing DATY and gave a sufficient BJ, all be it covered. The only thing that bothered me is that she didn't seem to be into it, I mean I don't want a girl moning and aghing all the time that is annoying to me but just show a little pleasure. I mentioned this to her a couple of times and she assured me that she was ok and nothing was wrong, but I newver got the feeling that she really got into it. She left after a couple of hours and I saw her many times after that at Madaho's and would always say hi and give her a peck on the cheek but would not repeat with her. Maybe someone else has been with her and can had a better time but I would not recommend her.
JamesBond69
03-27-03, 13:37
Originally posted by outofthegame
PART VII. Sun. nite, how slow it is....unless your in Madaho's with MRLA.
Violeta and she says that she is going to school to be a Vet. she has a tattoo of a dog on her shoulder and mid length long dark hair and a good little body. Maybe someone else has been with her and can had a better time but I would not recommend her.
Violeta de Madahos is the only chica I left with twice in a month in Buenos Aires.
I think she's great. Nice natural rack and quite intelligent, seriously working her way through Vet school with the program.
Her father lives in America and her mother is an English teacher so speaks a bit of English (not as well as I would have expected), so that's a plus if you don't know Spanish (Thank God I do know Spanish, as it really makes the experience better).
Only caveat: Violeta wanted a bit extra for a BBBJ - just 10 pesos, and asked to be paid upfront, something I don't like but she's really a nice chica, so I obliged.
She usually asks for 150 pesos, which is very reasonably now that the pesos is 3 to 1 (in December it was 3.5 to 1). I tipped her 50 pesos.
Also she has a car and for a fee will take you around the city during the day and show you the real Buenos Aires. I didn't take her up on her offer but I'm sure it would have been fun.
By the way, she's not a supermodel stunner, more the girl next door look, which I go for.
In conclusion I recommend Violeta...
mr. hysteromania,
i can give you much info regarding skiing. maybe better to post your email address vs. me posting info in this forum as it's off-topic.
anyway, ski season does start in june, but depending where you go think of it as december in n.a. - and conditions are very conditional, espcially for anything other than man-made snow on green/blue runs.
also, depending on your interests (great skiing vs. great partying, off-piste vs. beautiful slopes) the resorts in argentina (and chile i guess) vary greatly.
i also have good contacts/recommendations on how to book - do not book thru the u.s.!!
-leo
Big Bruno,
Regarding Clarin girls, they are my favorite. Here issome information from a previous post I did:
"...If you have an apartment, try the Clarin. I met probably the best girls via the Clarin. Young, 18-22 years old and very down to earth girls that always give the GFE experience. There will be a few dogs among the bunch, but if you tell the person that answers the newspaper ad that you will return any fat, ugly or any girls that does not meet their description, then you will send them back. 95% percent of the time after telling them this, they sent the girl that they said. The normal price was 25 pesos to 45 pesos plus biatico or cab far that ranged around 7-10 pesos. The best experiences that I had were with these girls and would have 1, 2 or 3 if I wanted. They often liked my apartment so much and the champagne that they would stay longer for free or very little extra.
Regarding the clarin, obviously it helps if you speak a little spanish and are a little patient. Once you find a few girls, you can call them all you want. One tip, the shift seems to change at 8:00 pm and runs to almost 8:00 am the next day - that shift by in large had the best girls. If you call a girl at 11:00 am, you will have a greater probability of landing an old skank."
If you prefer younger girls, that are little less hardened, use the Clarin. Once you meet a few of the girls, you can have all of the fun you would with a Madahos girl for 1/5 of the price. They are also a lot less about the money and will appreciate being with a foreign guy. The key is that you be very specific aboutwhat you want, and then tell the person that you will send back any girl that you do not like.
I will be heading to BA again soon, so I will be able toexpand on my Clarin experience.
Big Bruno,
The prices for Clarin girls are wonderfully low (10 pesos and up; usually around 25-50 with taxi fare added). However, it is a gamble so you must be prepared to send the girl back (I always give cab fare of 10pesos for their trouble but some don't give anything especially if the girl is not at all as described).
I had one Clarin girl that matched her description pretty well but turned out to be a "real" pro. She used one condom for oral and then two for sexo. That didn't turn out too well.
Originally posted by Dashing Don
Rob,
Just to let you know that b69, Tman777, I and several "lurkers" will be in BA on or around the same time. I will email you so that we can meet up. Any other adventurers interested in coming to BA at this time can write me at: snafle@hotmail.com
Don
Hi Don,
I got your e-mail, thanks !!! Didn't have time yet to reply but will do it shorlty .... going back to work after 2 weeks off I had more than 1,100 e-mails to go through and more than 2,000 Bloombergs ! Veeery depressing.
I know T Mann will be there, we met back in November during my first trip and we had a great laugh togehter, have been in touch with him several times since ... if I am not wrong he will be there 3 or 4 days during my week, looking forward to meeting him again !!! I don't have the pleasure to know b69 and the other several "lurkers" you are mentioning ....
To outofthegame and jamesbond69: Can you guys give me a quick description of Violeta of Madahos ? I was there for 2 weeks, almost every night, have a brilliant memory for names and faces but I can't honestly remember any girlie called Violeta ... I might also ask to my Madaho's amigovia ... she certainly knows her ...
Thanks, RO
JamesBond69
03-27-03, 19:56
Originally posted by rob_roy5
To outofthegame and jamesbond69: Can you guys give me a quick description of Violeta of Madahos ? I was there for 2 weeks, almost every night, have a brilliant memory for names and faces but I can't honestly remember any girlie called Violeta ... I might also ask to my Madaho's amigovia ... she certainly knows her ...
Thanks, RO
Violeta sometimes uses another name Natalia but you can't miss her, as she has a tatoo of her pet boxer dog on her shoulder. Also a nice natural rack and longish brunette hair. About five feet four inches.
She's a regular and works six nights a week when she doesn't have to prepare for her examinations as a veterinarian.
JustGotBack
03-27-03, 22:58
Originally posted by jamesbond69
Violeta sometimes uses another name Natalia but you can't miss her, as she has a tatoo of her pet boxer dog on her shoulder. Also a nice natural rack and longish brunette hair. About five feet four inches.
She's a regular and works six nights a week when she doesn't have to prepare for her examinations as a veterinarian.
Huh? I know Violeta from before and I don't remember seeing her during the week I was there. I probably just missed her because I wasn't looking for her.
pommiebastard
03-27-03, 23:01
Well I visited BA recently, and had two experiences....
1. Maru from Platynum. She has very small apartment in downtown, but she does outcalls too. She charged me 80 pesos per hour, and she is bloody excellent value. I paid for two hour. Full on BBBJ, and then she moved down to my ass and gave it some serious finger attention and some ass licking 8-} !! Great real norks, seems to enjoy getting oral. Yum. Her ass has that well beaten-up look about it - so I guess she does greek - but maybe it costs more. The only negatives were her - teeth - yeah a bit crooked, and some funky tasting Orange juice she gave me at the end !!!
2. I went to the place discussed in this Forum on French St. in Recoletta. It was a stinking hot mid afternoon. They seem to work from 12 noon ish onward... I made an appointment for 1. The girl who answered the door was the only girl available - she was an 8ish, 22 y/o, short brown hair, very firm looking with small tits. She was very cute - but the service was only half-assed, and wanted to get it over and done with in 1/2 hour - even though I paid for 1 hour (at 130 Pesos per hour). She also didn't allow me to give her oral. I suspect that she hadn't been "working" very long at all. The place is lovely though - really nice rooms, with fancy bathrooms with nice soap and flowers and that. And the aircon works well. But overall the service was a let down.
Your mileage may vary, A Pom and a Bastard
Guys:
I have some questions.
I heard in another forum a long time ago that there were AAA VISA rechargeable debit cards (so if you lose the cards or get robbed, at most you just lose a couple hundred Dollars or whatever you charged).
I didn't find the cards at AAA.
1) Do you know any rechargeable debit card service in use? Do you use any?
I read that many of you withdraw money from ATMs in Buenos Aires.
2) Do you use the banking card or a VISA/MC credit card?
3) Do you have any problems with the passwords when withdrawing money in Argentina, such as 6 digits maximum, or 4 digits maximum?
4) Do you pay any fee back home for accessing the Argentine ATMs?
5) Do you have to pay high financial charges if using a credit card for getting money advances from ATMs?
6) Did any ATM ate your card? What did you do to recover it?
Any answers, ideas or recommendations are welcome.
Andres
Andres,
While I was in B.A. I used my bank atm card at two different banks. Most banks are on the "Plus" system or something similar. No problem with my 4 digit password. However, keep in mind that cash withdrawals are limited to whatever your card limit has been set to for a 24 hour period and, yes, there is a nominal charge, between US$1 to $2, for each withdrawal.
21 days to go! Gentlemen, start your engines. See you all soon.
JustGotBack
03-28-03, 03:06
Andres, when I travel I don't bring anymore money than is in my pocket at home, maybe $20 or so. I exclusively use ATMs to get cash. Other than during the financial crisis in Argentina last year, I've never had a problem. In Germany once, the machine did eat my card. It was late at night in a train station so I couldn't ask someone to get it back for me. My bank just FedEx'd me a new one in a couple of days. But just in case now, I carry two ATM cards. Also, it depends on the bank whether you will be charged a fee or not. Mine does not and unlike in the US, the ATM owner in Argentina doesn't charge a fee either. My bank also gives me a very good rate. It's always in the upper end of the range. While the Metropolis change houses in BA were only giving 2.94 to 3.00 pesos to the dollar, my bank gave me 3.08. I wouldn't hesitate to use an ATM at all anywhere in the world.
As for the chargable debt cards. Try www.ecount.com. They issue rechargable Mastercards. They can be used exactly like credit cards. I use them to limit my exposure when buying things online. Note that Mastercard/Visa will charge you a currency conversion fee of 2% if you are paying for something that's not in your home currency. My bank doesn't charge me that for ATM transactions.
Andres. . . that's a switch, you're asking us for advice!
I have no experience in BsAs (yet), but just in general, I would say...
I think I know what you're talking about with the "rechargable" cards. They were also called "smart" cards. The idea was something the size and shape of a credit card, with an embedded microprocessor. You would insert it into an ATM-like docking station and there would be an electronic transfer of funds between the bank and your card. When you wanted to buy something, the merchant would have a similar docking station (theoretically) and the price of your purchase would be transferred electronically. It was one of those ideas that sounded really neat, until they tried to make it work in practice. It sort of went the way of the 8-track tape player. It was fairly popular in Europe, but it never caught on in the U.S. I don't know of any financial institutions here that sponsor it.
Personally, I never take a bank debit card with me when travelling. If I need cash, I use my Visa card. With a Visa card you are fully guaranteed against fraud and loss. If someone gets a hold of your bank debit card, they have access to your bank account and any money that they may be able to withdraw is your loss. No one will compensate you for that.
Typically, credit card issuers will charge you a one time fee from 3% to 5% of the amount withdrawn as a cash advance and then they sock you with 19% or 20% as long as you carry that balance, but if you pay off the balance on the next statement, it's not that big of a deal. It's actually not much more than using a debit card. If you use your debit card to withdraw money from a different bank (any East Elbow Savings & Loan branches in BA?), you will get dinged twice, once by the BA bank that fronted you the money and again by your own bank, for using an ATM out of their system. Assuming that the BsAs bank can even find your bank to verify the withdrawal.
Never had an ATM eat my card, anywhere, even in Moscow (and I don't mean Idaho). If there's a bank attached to the ATM, that would be my first stop after having my card eaten. Otherwise, I guess your just plain SOL. But as I say, the chances of that happening are very slim.
Hope this helps,
Guillermo
OutoftheGame
03-28-03, 10:35
Rob Roy,
JAMESBOND69 described her very well the only thing I can add is that she has a pale complextion, she's not milky white but she's not tan either. I agree that she is more of the girl next door type and I like that as well. I'm very suprised to find out that she spoke English, she never said one word to me in English. If you ever want to find her she is usually standing with Barbi,the hot little blond with the fake breasts, right by the register where the bar ends and the dance floor begins. Or if you get in later like after 4am shel'll be in the front set of tables when you first walk in. Hope this helps, she was a nice girl and really tried to get me to go with her on my final nite in BA, YEAH BABY was witness to that, but my heart just wasn't in it. By the way if I remember correctly she has blue eyes, or wears contacts. Maybe JAMESBOND69 can comment on this.
OttoGraham
03-28-03, 12:41
Andres, Bank of America sells ¨Visa Gift Cards.¨ Check with Bank of America or type ¨Visa Gift Card¨into google or whatever web search engine you use.
Hope this helps. :D
-Uncle Otto
My buddy Guillermo is not correct when he says you have unlimited liability if someone gets ahold of your debit card. It is $50 if you notify within 48 hours and $500 if you notify within 60 days (unlimited thereafter). However, both VISA and MasterCard VOLUNTARILY provide additional protection: $0 if notified within 48 hours and $500 if notified within 60 days. Keep in mind there are two types of debit cards, signature-based and PIN-based, but some including mine combine both functions. Do not use debit cards for purchases as you lose the protections of the Fair Credit Billing Act to dispute charges for poor quality merchandise. A good source for this type of information is www.bankrate.com
This site will also tell you which credit cards have what foreign exchange fees. I used to use my United Airlines credit card to get miles but since they are financially questionable I stopped doing that. I found that whereas they were charging me a 3% foreign exchange fee, my MBNA and Citi cards were 0% and 1%. My ATM is also unfortunately 3% but there are no fees. The fees for credit card cash advances are usually high but I never do that.
My approach is to take a fair amount of cash, maybe $500 - $1000 depending on the length of the trip and how safe I feel in that particular place, then use the MBNA card for any good sized purchases such as rental cards, and use the ATM debit card as "back up." My first trip to BA I brought $500 and I had to use the ATM card a few times. Neither the BA bank nor my brokerage house charged me any fees (other than the currency conversion) My second trip was shorter and I brought like $650 and I only changed money twice and never used the ATM. I also carry another debit card as back up but I've never had to use it (duh. don't carry them both in the same place).
Dickhead
While we're on the subject...
Are traveller's checks, like, totally passe? (there's an acute accent on the final e).
Andres,
I believe that Dickhead is correct about liability. In an attempt to
get people to use debit cards instead of credit cards (because there is no "float" with debit cards the banks prefer that people use them) most banks offer $0 liability if you report the loss right away.
There are 2 major bank systems for ATM cards, Plus and Cirrus. Almost all the banks in Buenos Aires are on one or the other (or both) so it is very easy to find one that will accept your card. Look for the symbols on the wall of the bank or on the ATM itself that match the symbol on the back of your card. Contrast this with San Jose, Costa Rica where the majority of banks were not on either system (but a couple of the biggest ones were on Plus).
I always use my ATM card to get cash while traveling. Cash advances on credit cards usually start acruing interest right away so are not as good a choice. My debit card has a 4 digit pin so I've never had aproblem. However, I have heard that if your card requires more than 4 digits and/or letters then some ATMs may not work with it. I've never had a card eaten.
As for fees, they vary widely. You have to check with the bank. Also with the ATM you use because some of them charge their own fees (but at least in the US, I think they have to post a notice of their fees on the machine; I don't know if that is true in Argentina but I was never charged any fees so never ran into that). From the bank end, sometimes the fees are included as part of the exchange rate, not called out separately, so you have to look at what your final exchange rate is to compare. With my Bank of America debit card I was not charged any fees and was getting about the same exchange rate as the cambios.
As for smart cards, I used to work for Schlumberger so I am a little
prejudiced (they have a European subsidiary that makes them) but they are widely used for specific purposes in Europe and Japan but have never caught on in the US. There is definitely not the world-wide infrastructure like the banks have for credit and debit cards so even if you find one it is not likely to be accepted at as many locations.
Guys:
Thanks for your answers.
Andres
JamesBond69
03-28-03, 19:24
Originally posted by Guillermo
While we're on the subject...
Are traveller's checks, like, totally passe? (there's an acute accent on the final e).
I brought AMEX Travelers Checks to Buenos Aires but never used them. I regard traveller's checks as more of a hassle, as you will probably have to go to AMEX offices to cash them. Most businesses and money exchanges will not honor them.
For Buenos Aires I used a combination of cash - $100 bills - and my Boston Fleet ATM card, which charged $5 each transaction on the Boston Bank machines, which I believe is owned by Boston Fleet.)
Bank Boston was acquired a few years ago by Fleet Bank. I was kinda bullshit that I wasn't able to walk into a Bank Boston bank and withdraw money from my Fleet account. Should be the same bank, but they told me it wasn't.
Fleet did tell me that if you go into the bank and do a cash advance with your card they will waive the $5 fee.
OutoftheGame
03-28-03, 22:37
Guillermo,
I used mostly AMEX traveler checks on my vacation and never had any problems exchanging them at the Cambio Exchange Metropolis on Quintanna just before you get to the cemetary. They do charge a fee for traveler checks I think 2%.
Damn, that's a lot of talk about money matters. Feels like I joined a bank teller convention.
I'm gonna go get laid now.
Enjoy the chat. ;
BB
JamesBond69
03-28-03, 22:56
Originally posted by outofthegame
Guillermo,
I used mostly AMEX traveler checks on my vacation and never had any problems exchanging them at the Cambio Exchange Metropolis on Quintanna just before you get to the cemetary. They do charge a fee for traveler checks I think 2%. Interesting. The Metropolis exchange is the one I used most of the time, since it is just around the corner from the Etoile. They told me they didn't accept AMEX checks, probably because they wanted me to keep exchanging dollars.
Anyway Traveler's Checks are high cost. You pay 1% to buy and 2% to sell.....I think the ATM card and cash is the way to go in Buenos Aires.
Originally posted by BeachBoy
Damn, that's a lot of talk about money matters. Feels like I joined a bank teller convention.
I'm gonna go get laid now.
Enjoy the chat. ;
BB Ditto. Maybe post on this topic in the general information section.
Jony Vegas
03-31-03, 01:17
Great posts everyone, I have been reading them for about a month now.
Question: I am looking to plan a trip there in mid-May and would be staying in the financial district at a place called the "Plaza San Martin" on suipacha 1092.
1) Can anyone tell me how close this is to the action or how inconvenient it might be.
2) Will most hotels allow women in with me or charge for each time I have someone up to my room, or just not allow them at all?
3) Does it get below 50 degrees in the evening that time of year?
Thanks everyone
Jony Vegas
03-31-03, 05:29
Chop or Elricardo,
I notice from your posts that you both attend spanish language schools in BA. Can you provide me with the name or email address of the school and if you would recommend it for a person who will be in BA only a week or two.
Thanks
Hey JV
I haven't been able to access my "chopperdave51" account, so try me at davewh65 at yahoo dot com. I'll be glad to fill you in.
Dave
Hello My Friends,
Sorry that I have been tardy in making my posts; I ' ve been in a state of post-sexual collapse since my return from BsAs! I spent 35 days in BsAs. Did about 22 different chicas and three of them mulitiple days and times. I left the usa with 48 fruit favored in condoms and left only three in the upper right drawer of your bathroom Mr. Big Stick Jackson! My posts have three objectives in mind 1)some funny stories,2) some general info for newbies to BsAs.3) some graitutude to extented to some of the great friends that I made on my trip into "pussy-heaven".
Life should not be measured by the amount of breaths you take, rather by the amount of times life takes your breath away!
and you Mr. Big Stick, Foxie Roxie, Quentin Tarentino, El Morder,
Tommy-2guns, MRLA, El Recardo, and yeah baby, you did take my breath away. You may ask why? simply put, it was your friendship, concern, humor, help and great companionship that you so freely extended to me. You gave me some treasures to keep for the rest of my life. More posts to follow Kind Regards to all you Mongers out there/Gabriel
Hi to all fellow mongers,
First a big thank to Jackson for helping me with the registration.
I know it has been said many times already, but the WSG is really great. Keep going with the excellent work.
I have been reading posts for a couple of years now and, shame on me, I have always been to lazy to contribute.
After discovering the Argentina section it took me less than a week to make up my mind and decide my next destination.
I will be in the dream city from next Monday (7th of April) for about 3 weeks. I know many WSG members will be there in April: it would be fun to meet up and do some mongering together.
If around, email me at:
marco_freebook@hotmail.com
To redeem myself I promise an - almost real-time - daily report.
MarcoMan
P.S.: yes, I am Italian....sorry for my writing mistakes.
OutoftheGame
04-01-03, 07:44
GABRIEL,
It is so nice to see you finally joining us on the board again. I know how hard it is to get back from BA and not have time to write out all of the things that happened. I didn't know what stories you are planning on sharing with us but I will add my comments to most of them just in case you forget some of the details. I think one of the best stories that myself and YEAH BABY are waiting to hear you tell the board is the great clock you have on your mantle at home. I got your e-mail and will chat with you more, so as not to bore others. But I must say you are still my hero and I'll never forget that last nite the 3 of us went out.
Quintin
OutoftheGame
04-01-03, 08:20
PART VIII. Back at Orleans.
Meet MRLA, Jackson and Roxana, for lunch. This was the first time I had meet Roxana and I was very impressed with how open she is and very funny. She is not judgemental at all and seems like one of the guys when your hanging out with her. After lunch MRLA and I decide to go check out the Mall on Florida since he wanted to do some shopping before he left. We decide to visit Orleans since he had not gone been and was curious to see what it was like. Just finding this place was an adventure for us, I made the mistake of thinking I could find it just by memory. Well we must of asked 10 different people and walked around for over an hour before we finally arrived. When we get there the selection of ladies seemed much better than the previous time I visited. We get our drinks and just observe the girls and try to find someone that suits are fancy. MRLA has his eyes on a lovely thin woman, and when I say woman I mean woman. She had a light complextion, was wearing glassed and had an little business suit on. She looked like the secretary of your dreams and all the fantasies of screwing your hot secretary could come true with her. The problem was that she was leaving with an older business man, but being the great worker that she is told MRLA that she would be back in about 1 hour. True to her word she came back and joined us for a few drinks, at this time that girl that I had meet previously Paulola had arrived to work so we both figured it to be a very nice afternoon. Now while I was discussing price with Paulola MRLA was doing the same with the secretary, now this is where I think not knowing any Spanish will hurt you in BA and a reason to use the services of Roxana. MRLA did not speak Spanish and was quoted a price of US$100. Now my girl told me $100 as well but since I was in Argentina and speaking Spanish to her it never entered my mind that she meant US$100. So when MRLA told me the price he was quoted I told him his girl was ripping him off and not to go with her, so I asked Paulola if it was US$100 or $100 pesos and she said US$100, well I wasn't going to even try to get a cheaper price after being so insulted. I tell MRLA that we should go, I mean these girls are nice looking but as I stated in my previous post they don't even hold a candle to the girls that work at most of the clubs. So we leave without even saying goodbye to the girls. On the way out of the cafe we bump into a guy at the bar that is a fellow American, he happens to be leaving later that nite and is trying to find a little action before his flight. He knew about the board and knows Jackson as well as Saint. He mostly contributes on another site under the name SUPERJEFF, I don't know his name on this site. But he was a great guy to talk to and it would of been great to have known he was in town to get together on past nites. Just to add one more thing on Paulola so if any of you see her at Orleans and think twice about going with her, I don't really believe that she was going to charge me US$100, but that since her friend was charging that I think she felt pressured to do the same. I say this because I had given her the # to my Apt on our previous encounter and the following day she called me to say that she would come to my Apt for $150 pesos, I had other plans and told her I might call some other time, But never did. So if you run into her at Orleans I would give her a try, she has the prettiest face of any girl in that place.
OutoftheGame
04-01-03, 08:50
PART IX. MRLA'S farewell party at Madaho's.
Well this came to be one of the best traditions, on one of the groups last nite in BA we got together at Madaho's and just tried to have fun and not worry so much about gettin laid, and the guy that was leaving would usually already have in mind who he wanted to spend his last nite with so no need to try and waste time getting to know a girl. Well the gang arrived around midnite after having dinner together. We got the usually VIP welcome from the staff. After being in the place for about 10 minutes MRLA had decided that Patrica was going to be the lucky lady that nite, as for me I still to this day don't know how it happened because most of the girls won't really approach you unless you make eye contact with them or show interest in them, but all I remember is talking to MRLA and then looking down at the barstool next to me and finding the girl that I had flow all this way for. I'm sorry I can not give a name or description but because things have become more than just a "wham bam thank you mame" between us I can't give out that info. But rest assured I'm sure most of you would not give her a second look it is just something that she makes me feel when I look at her. Well inbetween discussions with my new found novia I remember looking around Madaho's and realizing that every girl in that place was looking at our group. It's not because we are good looking or throwing money around but we had all been going in that place for awhile and we all treated the ladies very well, especially MRLA and his chocolate syrup, and we were having a great time and the ladies that had joined us that nite were having a great time as well. This is when I commented to MRLA that every girl in that place wished they were part of our little party. Not to be egotistical, but I think we all strived at making the girls happy and have fun and try to forget about the whole job and customer thing. Maybe you just had to be there. Well the party did come to a close as MRLA and a few others left, I stayed to chat with my new friend more before leaving and taking her back to my Apt and having a nite filled with more passion than all of my previous sexual encounters rolled into one.
OutoftheGame
04-01-03, 09:28
PART X. OUTOFTHEGAME remembers why I gave myself this name.
So after waking up the following day from meeting the girl that took my soul with her as she hopped in a cab earlier that morning I was back to the begining. I was a single guy in a city surrounded by nothing but beautiful,young women that are available to you at anytime day or nite and what do I do I tell myself that none of them matter and I only want to be with this one for the remainder of my 2 week stay.
OutoftheGame
04-01-03, 09:52
PART XI. Post P4P blues.
I hope to get a good discusstion on this next matter. After time went later that day anda I was still thinking about my new novia I began to overthink the whole situation and try to turn everything into a negitive. My problem is this, when I'm with a chica and I feel that she is giving me a true GFE I have a very hard time believing that any of that was real as soon as I put the money in her hands. I immediatly begin to think that it was just a job to her, or I think that she appreciated the way I made her feel and got her to let down her guard but only to statisfy my own pleasure and know that I'll be looking for another girl the next day. The point I'm trying to get to is that for some reason it gets much harder for me to hand over money when I have more feelings for a girl,but when it comes to taking them out shopping I will gladly spend 3 to 5 times more than the price of a normal session. Why don't I have the same problems? I was just curious if anyone else finds it easier to buy things for the girls instead of handing them over the money directly? I remember thinking about buying a bed for my girl when I was down there which would of been a lot more than all the money I gave her. But the cost never entered my mind, to me I was helping her. I know by giving her money is putting food on the table and allowing her to pay rent so she can have a roof over her head but it just doesn't feel the same. Maybe that's why people would prefer to volunteer instead of just giving money to a charity. You want to see and touch what your money is going into. Hope to get some of your views on this matter.
Gabriel glad to see your back. For awhile I thought the chicas had screwed or blown you to death glad to see thats not the case. But let me give you some advise, no more wives, including Roxana, for this will certainly be the death of you. Anyway, hows that clock ticking, come on now, me and outofthegame are waiting for you to tell this story.
As for outofthegame, I'm thinking of renaming you outofyourmind.
Just kidding. You have a heart and thats a good thing but keep things in perspective. If you want to buy your chica cloths or a bed, thats fine. Just take into account, for example, the cost of the bed and what that means in relation to taking girls out from Madahos each night, and fuck your chica the equivalent amount of times on that bed before someone else does. In other words, get your return on investment. And if she falls in love with you in the process, well, thats profit. However, be careful of bankruptcy, thats the chica that will take you for all you got while making you think that she really cares for you.
16 days and counting. Hope to hear from some of you going down there soon.
OttoGraham
04-01-03, 15:46
There's not much new that I can add to my previous posts, but one new place that visited in my last trip was Madaho's. Certainly I can recommend it in the same way most other posters have, as well.
Beyond that, it's a beautiful time of year to visit BsAs - not too hot, not too cold, typical early Autumn.
Economically, the country seems to be getting better, I noticed fewer boarded-up shops, less begging, and perhaps fuller restaurants than in my earliest trips last July.
Take advantage of your opportunities to get out of the Recoleta club scene - I will let another poster tell his own story, but suffice it to say that I got him out of his rut, and introduced him to many of the pleasures of BsAs, not least of which was the purchase of three pairs of nifty shoes for 50 bucks a pop that would cost 150 apiece back in the U.S. He started looking like Imelda Marcos before the shopping trip was over!
BsAs has beautiful women, but there is much more to vacationing than drilling one girl after another!
-Uncle Otto
Hello Mr. Tarentino & Yeah Baby,
Ok guys just hold on the clock story is about to be told. It will have to be told in continuing chapters because I type about as slow as I fuck and I keep getting "timed out" on the board when writing a long story.
This is in response to your post Quintin. The one about feeling not so good about paying the chica after sex but feeling much better about taking the chica's shopping....any rate here are my views on the subject.
I had a chica in my room at the Etoile one night and was talking with her via my logo program on my laptop (which converts english to spanish. I was going through the normal banter " your so beautiful", "your so sexy" etc ad nauseum. When I turned the conversation to a more serious note and told here that I loved who she was and what she was and how I thought every human being has a strong sense of dignity, weather they were a prositiute, a nun , a begger, or a priest. I also told her that if there was a pathetic party in the sex for money business deal ,it was me rather than her...I do not believe that there is a pathetic party involved. But if there has to be one it is we mongers! Because we are paying some one for sexual gratification, and friendship and company. I also apoligized to her that I could not earn her lust and friendship and good feelings because it didn't have the time or maybe the good looks ,or was not the right age to naturally aquire theses gifts from her. and hence I felt quilty about having to pay her for these "gifts" and by paying her it did not meant to take her dignity away. That my dear Quintin is why you would rather take them shoping than just simply fork over the cash. It takes the hard edge off the whole thing, don't you think. Well anyway that just my thought on the matter, I could be wrong, well anyway fuck let's have some pie. clock story to follow. Kind Regards to all you mongers out there/ Gabriel
addendum; to my previous post/ so you understand me Quintin I truely believe that there is NOT a pathetic party in the sex -for-money thing. Human sexual gratification is a serious, essential human need. Just like food, water, shelter. In fact there was a sociologist that created a pyramid of human needs, I believe his name was Maslov. At the bottom of the pyramid were the essentials of life mentioned above. At the top Was a condition refered to as "self-realization" Supposedly much of mankind doesn't reach the top of this pyramid. Any rate sexual gratification must be only a level above the base because sex IS important to everyone
So my questions are: do you feel guilty when you go into a 7-11 and buy a bottle of water? Do you feel guilty making payments on you car that you bought? Do you feel guilty for paying your barber to cut your hair? Of course not So don't feel guilty for paying some chica to sexually gratify you!!! It is something you want and some thing you need, its just that it's so simple it is in fact complex. Now on the other hand if you were disrespectful, mean, rude or rough with these chicas then you would be depriving them of their dignity and that is something to feel guilty about! I have read posts on this board by guys that reek with this kind of bravado, and I can almost bet that they are going to have a lousy fuck and a lousy time. You are not one of these guys> Well enough about this. My wife will be home soon and if she catches me on this forum my genitals will go missing and you butt-monkeys will never get to hear the "clock story"
Regards/Gabriel
HummerLover
04-02-03, 00:50
Greetings fellow Mongers,
This is my first post to this board. I have read all of the old posts dating back to January 2002 and would like to thank all of the Jedi Mongers who have so graciously shared their hard earned knowledge of the BsAs chica scene. My initial attraction to BsAs was with the Internet girls, but after having read the posts discussing the club scene, I am even more intrigued with these potential opportunities.
I will be arriving in Buenos Aires on Monday, April 7. Do members of the board still meet at the Etoile at 9:00 each night? I would be interested in meeting up with any members who wouldn't mind a BsAs virgin tagging along on club crawl. The first round of drinks is on me. I can be contacted at iamhummerlover@yahoo.com
Thanks, hope to see many of you at the clubs
Originally posted by OttoGraham
BsAs has beautiful women, but there is much more to vacationing than drilling one girl after another!
-Uncle Otto [/i]
There is?
Local Expert
04-02-03, 06:01
Gentlemen,
I follow this section for about 4 months now and am seriously planning a 2 weeks trip to BA in November this year. Since this trip is going to be pretty expensive ( I am talking about 3-4k USD), allow me to ask a question to our EUROPEAN mongers who have been or still are in BA:
As we all know, prostitution is fairly common in nearly every European country and considered as "normal". We have a high influx of really beautiful Eastern European women here, and the prices are usually acceptable (at least in Meditteranian Europe).
Now, since we are lucky not to have as strict rules about prostitution in Europe as our friends from the US are suffering from, I want to know from you European guys:
1) Is BA really worth it, if you compare it to what we have here in Europe ?
2) Is it worth spending 15 hours in an airplane and then suffering (=losing) 2 days from the jet-lag ?
3) Is the scene in BA that much different from European capitals to make a visit worth it (... and I am not talking about the prices for the Ladies, since that advantage is being spoiled by high expenses for the airplane ticket)
Thank you very much in advance.
JustGotBack
04-02-03, 06:15
Local Expert, I'm not European but I've been there about 50 times. I've lived there long enough that I can't give blood here in the US anymore. So I think I have a good feel for your question. My answer would be no, it's not worth it. The only unique thing about BA is the simulation of an actual girlfriend experience. You go meet the girl in a club, talk for a bit and then head back to your hotel or apartment. Sure you pay in the end, but it's less business like than in Europe. That's good but for my taste, the women in Europe are on the whole much more beautiful than what you will find in BA. Sure there are some great looking women in BA, but many of these women would just blend into the crowd in Amsterdam or Prague or Warsaw. Once again, it's a matter of taste.
My number one place to go in the world for mongering is still in Europe. While I love BA, it's maybe number 3 for me.
Having said that, BA is still a great city to visit. Considering the value of the peso right now the cost of restaurants, hotels, clothes, etc can't be beat. So if you want to take a vacation and mongering is just one of the reasons to go, but not the only reason. By all means, BA is worth a visit.
OutoftheGame
04-02-03, 10:16
GABRIEL,
I appreciate your advise but the difference between the service my barber provides and the service my chica provides are not even close. The service I'm paying for with my chica is the most intimate and emotional experience 2 people can have together. I know being a guy I'm not suppose to get emotional when it comes to sex in the same way a woman does but it has happened on a few occasions. Also when I get my hair cut I'm happy to contribute my money to this persons living, with my chica on the other hand I feel dirty and think less of myself since I'm making this person perform a job that takes away her dignity. Now keep in mind I don't feel this way about everyone it's just a few girls that I've been with that have made me look at it from this perspective.
OttoGraham
04-02-03, 13:01
Originally posted by OttoGraham
There's a lot more to vacationing than drilling one girl after another.
Originally posted by lotsafun
There is?
Of course there is. If you don't think so, then just go down to the newsstand, buy yourself a couple of Penthouses, come back home, beat off, and go to sleep. It gets you to the same destination and is a hell of a lot cheaper.
-Uncle Otto
Ok "Quintin & Yeah Baby,
Here is the "Clock Story".... (other readers and mongers, sorry it is a long story and I don't mean to jam the board up with a bunch of meaningless drivel but the story can't be abridged)
PART ONE, "The clock has yet to strike"
To really understand the story you need some background. I was in BsAs for 35 days. I am doing internet chicas in the late afternoon and early evening with my good friend Roxana's help.
At night I roaming the Clubs with a horde of monger's that I am now pround to call "friends of a life time". I have found a chica at Madaho's that I have grown quite fond of and her name is "winona Ryder" I call her this because she reminds in looks of the actress. (though she is NOT a cleptomaniac) , possiibly a nympomaniac though. I also have found another main squeeze at Catto's Disco, near Hooks. Her name is "Paula Abdul". I am very fond of these two ladies and doing them each on a repeat basis. They fit my envelope very well, ie skinny dardkhaired, small breasts and real frisky in "la cama". Plus they are good humored and just damned nice chicas. Also I am swearing to each of them. "your the only one Baby"
One Sunday afternoon me and my good buddy El Ricardo from the "windy City" figure we should go out a be tourists for a day and take some pictures of the city for the folks back home so we can establish an alibi for our time spent in this beautiful city! Oh yes! we are culturally diverse! On the way we meet up with Jackson and he agrees to go with us.
One of the cities districts is Called San Telmo. Here there is a flea market every sunday, and the main products being sold are antiques. As we are window shoping along Jackson remarks " That's a cool looking clock" and El Ricardo agrees. I see my two buddies as the guardians of good taste and I am looking at some yellowish-pink french gothic ceramic clock and thinking "boy was I wrong these two fucker's are tacky and have no taste at all!"
Then I see the clock that they are talking about, my faith in them is restored and this is for me the "perfect clock". Made in about 1908 gold antique color, twisting four prong pendulumn with a little slide out drawer that plays music wen you pull out on the drawer. incased in etched glass I have four passions in life 1. pussy, 2 leather coats, 3 scuba diving/muff diving, 4 clocks! I have just GOT TO HAVE THIS CLOCK!! My buddies help jew negotiate the guy down from 350 pesos to 200 pesos. this takes and hour or two, meanwhile were browsing around having luch and returning to the stall with lower offers. At last as the market is closing up and the seller's are dismantling their stalls I purchase the clock for a lousy 200 pesos. I am a real happy motherfucker and off we go.
I take my clock back to the Etoile and put it on the table to show off two all my other buddies when we will meet later to go out to the clubs, I am so happy so pround of my clock/ END PART ONE
OttoGraham
04-02-03, 15:50
Reader's Digest Condensed Version of Gabriel's following post:
One of the fun things you can do in Buenos Aires is visit the San Telmo antique market on Sunday afternoons. I bought a terrific antique clock for only 200 pesos. Be sure to bargain, the first price quoted was 350!
-Gabriel
;)
CONT. THE CLOCK STORY
"The clock strikes one
I meet up later in the evening with my other three buddies, Quintin Tarentino, El Morder, and Tommy Two Guns. We are admiring my clock and just yaking about our sexual conquests. And Quintin remarks that the little pull drawer is a perfect place to stash my condoms, he is a sick motherfucker because I was just thinking the same thing. The music it plays is from the era that the clock was made "Oh what a beautiful moring", "Oh what a beautiful day." I am thinking this ties in nicely with my trip here in this city; because the moring is beautiful ( in the morinng I am warpped up in the arms and legs of a beautfiful women having a beautiful fuck, and in the day I am with my buddies having lunch and we are all laughing, bullshiting , happy and having the times of our lives get it? oh what a beautiful day!
At this point I have to diverge from the main story line. You notice all these names we use are either "handles" from the WSG board or nick-names we have given each other. The names have been changed to protect the innocent/ rather in this case to protect the guilty. Quintin's friend from the states we refer to as El Morder/ spanish for "the bite, or the Biter" When El Morder arrived in BsAs he was quite sick with a cold/sinus infection, that was rapidly turning into a full blown case of bronchitis/ ( I have a medical background and always travel with a small pharmacy of medications in hand) Well ole El Morder wasn't much fun the first few days after his arrival because he was sick. Hid chest was on fire and he just appeared "whipped" He said he wished he had some codiene. Coming to a fellow monger assistance I gave him a small handfull of Tylenol #3. Well El Morder takes an undetermined amount of this medication and having a fondness for red wine he meets up with the group at Madaho's picks out a chica and is ready to go "sport fucking" I am chatting with his chica and in my horrible spanish I am telling her he prefers, lots of licking and passion and biting. Off he goes and in two hours returns freshly fucked and happy. The next day Tommy Two Guns, Quintin,El Morder, and I have decided to go to the Colmegna Spa.
We arrive, pay are fee's and go to the locker room to undress and EL Morder is all homophobic about having to strip down around a bunch of local old fat dudes sitting playing dominos and chess. Then we notice that he has a huge/great-big bite mark just under his right shoulder and he doesn't even know it and were all just pissing ourselves laughing. Thats how he aquired his name. This story goes just a little further; the next night the group goes out to a lesbian show at some place out in the Palaremo district(I can't recall the name of the place) El Morder is now "healed" or tanked I don't know which ,but he such a cool guy and now fun to be with. Quintin and I sneak away and find a beautiful chica that was staring in the lesbian show. We pay her 50 pesos to go over and snuggle up to him as if she is overcome with his good looks and dashing demure, and then to bite him 20, or 30 times. He fell right into it hugging her fondling her ass etc and then she bit him on the neck, he caught on fast but played the game copping a feel here and there and getting bit in the process. It was the best 25 pesos I spent Quintin laughed so hard we nearly shit our selves. So the rest of our time together I am always at El Morder teasing him about his bite marks etc. (remember this it is essential to the story line) END PART TWO
I see we have some very confused mongers amongst us. Yes, theres alot to do in B.A. and most of us would agree that its a fantastic city but lets not lose our heads. Beating off, although fun and safe, is not the same thing as being with a chica, even though it gets you to the same place as noted by Uncle Otto. If you think so, one of two things is happening. Your either having bad sex with the chicas or your giving yourself one hell of a hand job, its probably the former.
Second of all, I don't buy all this women get emotional over sex crap that outofthegame is buying into. What makes you think for one minute that these girls don't enjoy sex as much as we do, and hey, if there's money to be made while having sex than that much the better. Its only degrating if one person humilates another and than that has very little to do with sex and is entirely different matter. Yes, sex can be an emotional and intimate experience when two people are in love but this is LUST. Just as Gabriel mentioned, this is a basic need, nothing more, nothing else. Latin women, in genreal, enjoy sex as much as men do, get use to it, your not in the USA.
As for our European friends. The cost of the ticket to B.A. is not justified if your just coming for the mongering. However, if your coming for an overall vacation experience than Argentina, as a whole, has alot to offer and is a good value. Check with a travel agent for details because I'm not going to go into here what Argentina has to offer a tourist.
Let the Shagging go on. 15 days and counting.
Gentlemen, please forgive this message that does not relate to Buenos Aires or chicas.
Gabriel, in case you are not aware, the use of the word "jew" as a synonym for bargaining is very insulting to members of that religion.
The clock/cont.
"The Clock Stikes 3"
By now I am spending the complete night and mornings with "paula Abdul". Going out to the theaters, Tango Shows etc. She is such a great girl! After she leaves me mid-day I catch a internet chica. Paula can't hook up with me tonight, a family obligation, or something. No proplemo I slip over to Madaho's and Bang! I find "winona Ryder" She seems a little muffed about something and after a short while I get the picture. She saw me taking "patrica" out of the club a few nights earlier and says that it hurt her feelings, or at least pretends so. I apologize up the ass buy her a drink, and off we go to the Etoile. We get my room and she notices 'the clock", "my clock", she is admiring it . By this time the reader should know that I have done "Winona about six times, had dinner with her and bought her flowers on several occassions, the first of which made her cry, and I don't think it was an act. I also knew that it was very near her birthday and had promised to buy her a gift. I was thinking of taking her shopping and getting her perfume, or leather coat or shoes and hand-bag, whatever. Well her birthday had slipped my mind and now she is looking at my clock and asking "is this my birthday gift?" i can't help it I say yes. She pulls out the little drawer and the music plays (thank God I hadn't stuffed it full of condoms")
Now she crying and showering me with kisses, telling me I am the kindest man to walk the face of the earth.
Next she pulls me to the bed jerks off the condom does a sword-swallowing act like I could never imagine, fucking her that night in the bed the floor the chair was like trying to pour hot butter up a wildcats ass! Licking biting, probing every postion in the sport-fucking manual, and finally peaseful sleep....Up in three hours and she is in the bathroom freshing up, make-up lipstick, etc. She asks again "our you sure you bought this for me?" What can I do but nod yes. She gives me 5 or 6 kisses about the chin and mouth and says "bye bye..
I stagger into the bathroom and start to get cleaned up for the day, and I notice she has left lipstick smears all over my chin, cheeks and mouth. I get a wash cloth and start wash my face , my eyes are so mattyed full of sleepers, or probally vaginal gue I am not seeing well. Hell I get my glasses on these aren't lipstick marks, the ***** has bitten me all over my face, or at least sucked hickies all over my face! I am a marked man. Now I am pissed, I want my clock back, hell, I want my complexion back...Christ I got a date with Paula in four hours, she is going to help me move into Jackson's appartment, What the fuck am I going to say to her?????
Gabriel, love that story. Gentlemen, moral of the story, show them your cock not your clock.
JFP and all others;
Please let me extend my apology for using the word "jew" in the context that I used to describe bargining. I ment no harm by using it. For the record have have no problems with ethnicity, of any race, religion, or personage. It was unthoughtful of me and I am able to realize that I may have offended some. Again please frogive me.
Kind Regards
Gabriel
Originally posted by local expert
Now, since we are lucky not to have as strict rules about prostitution in Europe as our friends from the US are suffering from, I want to know from you European guys:
1) Is BA really worth it, if you compare it to what we have here in Europe ?
2) Is it worth spending 15 hours in an airplane and then suffering (=losing) 2 days from the jet-lag ?
3) Is the scene in BA that much different from European capitals to make a visit worth it (... and I am not talking about the prices for the Ladies, since that advantage is being spoiled by high expenses for the airplane ticket)
Thank you very much in advance.
Hi there local expert,
I am Italian, 29 yrs old, living in Dublin @ the moment, I have been living in the UK & Ireland for 7 yrs. Just back from BA and going again in 24 days (third time in 6 months !!!). To answer your questions:
1) If you go to BA only for sex action, then it is not worth it, stay in Europe, go to Amsterdam, Budapest, Prague, Baltic Republics (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania) or, even better, Germany (FKK Clubs and Party Treff clubs) or stay in your "Mediterranean country", since from your post, I guess you're living in Italy or Spain;
2) YMMV big time !!! Last time I was flying from Frankfurt, 13 hours flight, arrived on a Saturday morning around 8.30 am, in my apart around 10am, first "meeting " with Internet girl arranged by Roxana for 1pm, second meeting 7pm, out with the boys mongering all the night/early morning, following day Sunday same story, 2 meetings arranged by Roxana at 1pm and 7pm so ... no suffering and no jet-leg ;-)))
3) It all depends in what you are looking for .... I don't go only for the babes, I love San Telmo and the market on Sunday, I love the regular dance clubs where I can chat normal girls and they are happy to talk to foreigners (unlike Italy), places like Pacha, Buenos Aires News, El Divino de BA, La Diosa, Big One, Asia de Cuba (best nite is Wednesday night, not Saturday as many people think) .... I love walking in Puerto Madero and enjoying the great food in the resturants over there (my suggestions: Puerto Kristal and Il Gran Caruso) for 10-15 Euros per meal .... here in Dublin or in London you can have a shitty awful pizza for 10-15 Euros, I love walking in Florida Steet that is the equivalent of Via Montenapoleone in Milan, Rue Saint Honore' in Paris, Bond Street in London or Grafton Street in Dublin, with the same good looking gilrs window-shopping but no stupid attitudes and veeery affordable prices .... Also love the city because it reminds me different nice Italian cities, bits of Rome, Milan, Naples & Palermo, all mixed-up harmoniously .... I think this is enough to give you an idea what to go for in my beloved BA .... if you are not interested in all of this but only in P4P, then you'd better stay where you are ....
Just my 2 humble cents.
Regards, RO
Gabriel,
Don't apologize. It is a totally legitimate phrase which has largely disappeared from written and public discourse, but is still used broadly. Stand up for it, if you don't emphasize the word jew in a negative way then you can use it to refer to bargaining, which many consider a positive talent.
If Political Corectness takes over a forum dedicated to pay sex then that has to be a sign of the apocolypse.
Don't capitulate like a Frenchman or play both sides like an Italian, stand firm like a real monger!
Peter
Yeah Baby, hold on its not finished
"the clock" conclusion
"there is no clock to strike!"
After my prementioned love wounds I call my two buddies Quintin Tarentino and El Morder to explain my dilemma. And once i admited to them about the facial mutilation and giving the clock up they are just going through the ceiling laughing at me, and couldn't wait to shag thier asses out of bed and come assess the war wounds over lunch. I told them that they under oath as fellow monger's not to let the "cat out of the bag" because I am having lunch with Paula.
Paula did ask me at lunch what was wrong with my face and I explained it was an allergy that I get from time to time. She asked if it was something that I ate. And since I was doing the oral "function at the junction with "winona" I answered yes! The boys showed up for lunch and sat there a bitting their tongues for about a half an hour. They saved my ass. I guess I will never know if the hickies/bites were true passion, or a chica teaching me a lesson or two. It doesn't matter it was just another one of those seconds where life took my breath away, and that makes all the difference in the world to me! Oh. and Quintin your DVD player and my clock are forever fused in my memory of stupid monger moves. Goodbye my friends/Gabriel
Uncle Otto,
Thanks for your great sense of humor, I am still laughing. I do have to admit that Jackson beat you to the punch though. After he heard the story while we were all in town his remark was "hey don't worry just go back to the market, she probally hocked it and you can buy it again!"
Peter, thanks for your aid, I agree with most of your remarks. However, if I do offend someone it is in my nature to apologize. I am neither a frenchman, or an Italian, but just a crazy Irishman and If you would like to refer to me as a "mick" it doesn't offend me in the slightest way.
JFP, I met a wonderful women in BsAs, she is an argentino, she also happens to be Jewish. She is very kind and thoughful and has a great sense of humor as well as being very intelligent and sensitive. Her name is Roxana, yes the same Roxana all we mongers know and love. Please post to her section and ask her to review my post that offended you. I use her as the universal yardstick of could manners. Ask her if I offended her in any way by my remark and if she answers to the affirmative, I will again apologize to her as well, but if her answer is no, then it may indicate that you are carring a big chip on your shoulder and you will no doubt need to go bark up someone elses tree.
Kind Regards/ Gabriel
Johny Vegas:
1) Closer to Hook's (in the same street about 1 block to hook's and about 3 more clubs), you can reach Orleans walking, as reconquista st, and other great places. Anyway, Recoleta it's safer and nicer.
2) If you check the links sections there are some apart-hotels that provide you more independence and freedom. Other way it's to rent a furnished appartment.
3)Yes, during the winter, temperatures go up to 35° (night) and consider the humidity and wind that make temperatures lower, anyway the average during the winter it's 50° to 70°, in My opinion, from March to june temperatures are nicer, since you can take the sun without burning by the heat. from 60° to 80° and less humidity.
spanish lessons you can take with independent teachers, for any other question or assistance feel free to drop me a line. komposerteam@yahoo.com
Not to make a big deal of this, but...
Herr Peter--Gabriel was right to apologize. To jew someone down is hardly considered a compliment. You know--the whole jews are cheap theme?
It has largely disappeared from public and written discourse? Know why? Its called fucking antisemitism. Are you kidding me?
Question. Where is a good place in Recoleta to get a smooth head-shave?
JamesBond69
04-03-03, 00:48
Originally posted by umgman
Not to make a big deal of this, but...
Herr Peter--Gabriel was right to apologize. To jew someone down is hardly considered a compliment. You know--the whole jews are cheap theme?
Agreed. It was an unfortunate, indefensive and obvous jerky thing to say but a list can really get boring and bogged down if we harp on pointing this out, post after post.
Let's move on, with more information on Buenos Aires and chicas.
I promise this is the last post on this, otherwise let's take it to off-topic:
But refering to me as Herr Peter because of what you perceive as anti-semitism is much worse than using jew as a verb. To associate German with anti-semitism is hardly considered a compliment - you know the whole holocaust thing?
I am American Shit Mix by the way, I just live in Germany a good part of the year.
Also skinheads are not really anti-semetic anymore...a lexicon of current hate trends:
Skinheads in (insert country A) Hate (Insert Corresponding country in List B)
_____A____________B
Germany _______Turks (Muslim)
France _________Algerians (Muslim)
England ________English Blacks (Christian) Southern Asians (Hindu and Muslim) and generally all colored immigrants
Italy ___________Africans (Muslim & Christian)
Ireland _________The British (Anglican)
Anti-semetims doesn't feature very prominently in everyday skinheads lives, only in the "higher level" literature side...sorry I just remembered there are some skinheads that still have jews as primary hate targets.
Russia ________Russian Jews (but probably because there are no foreigners around and the jews in russia do really control all the industry - Every single Russian Billionaire, and in the last listing I saw there were 28, is Jewish. I know this because my main two business partners in that part of the world are jewish and the jewish community is very proud of the fact.)
Only the arabs are adamently and primarily anti-jew nowadays, but it's OK, lots of Jews are pretty anti-arab. Scharon bases his entire political success to anti-Palestinian sentiment. And ever heard an arab political speech without mention of zionism or Long live Palestine?
To "jew" someone down is just as legitimate as saying you want to watch some girls "dyke" out.
I do import/export and deal a lot with people of all religions. I have never met a jew who hasn't tried to jew me down, whether they be from america Spain or russia. Arabs do the same, chinese too, Northern Europeans, anglo-saxons and hindu-Indians don't really have this sort of bargaining tradition. Most jews I know are proud of their ability to bargain and be cheap, just like most Irishman deal well with their "Irish Curse" (that's what I got from the irish part of my shitmix).
so UMGMAN...if you want to find some german anti-semites stay in BsA and look around for men and women over 80 with last names like Mueller.
Now back to the chicas. I read the BA posts because of the great posts that Saint started a long time ago. They were so full of praise that I have been planning heading down there right away...but recently he posted a positive post of a trip to London, and that is the worst paid sex town in the world. In the mean-time I think Saint is really Anthony Robbins and just finds the silver lining in each cloud.
I want to know if there are any experienced BA mongers that have been to one of the 3 major FKK's in Germany (Atlantis, Oase or Planet Happy Garden) and can compare the scene in BA to the FKK scene, because I don't want to make the huge trip and then be dissapointed. I also have to say that based on the internet chicas the girls seem a little "thick" for my taste. I like my girls athletic and thin, sort of girly, with A or B cups. what I really cannot stand is a fat ass (and yes Jennifer Lopez has a fat ass!) and cellulite. For someone who is into this sort of girl is BA a legitimate option. I am really looking for feedback from someone who has experience with both.
Peter
Peter,
Every time you post something about the subject, you fall deeper into a pile of "mierda". Give it a rest and move on.
Starfe
Hi Peter,
Yes, Jennifer Lopex(JLo) has a fat ass, agreed. As for the girls of B.A., no, most are not like JLo. It is my experience that most of the girls in the clubs are thin, some are athletic, there not very tall, cute but there not knock attractive like in Europe. But keep in mind that there are also girls from Brazil that come to B.A. and they tend to be taller, darker and more athletic than the local talent. However, I work in the fashion industry and I can tell you that the professional models from Argentina are very beautiful, thin, and tall. If your fortunate enough to bump into one of these gems on the streets of B.A. , than you'll know what I mean. On occasion you might find one of these gems working in Blacks or having fun at one of the regular dance clubs. Good luck.
Just found this while browsing clarin ads:
http://www.cieloprivate.com.ar/
Does anyone know the place? Girls are not stunners and the selection is not huge but can be worth trying.
Gabriel, first you apologize to me (and all others) then you reply that if Roxana is not offended that perhaps I have a big chip on my shoulder. Regardless what Roxana thinks, if you find some people that are not offended by a remark does that make it okay if does offend other people?
You may not mind being refered to as a "mick" but others would mind so I think it would be inappropriate to use that term in a public forum. I guess my original message should have been more qualified, stating that "some" Jews would be offended by your use of the term. Finding a counterexample would not make it okay.
Peter's experience with Jewish businessmen notwithstanding, not all Jews like to bargain or are proud of being cheap. Stereotyping can lead to bigotry. I agree that "political correctness" has become pretty extreme but I will take that over the insensitivity towards racism, misogynism, antisemitism, etc. that previously predominated.
For the benefit of all-please take this discussion elsewhere guys.
Don't want to waste too much of you BA punters' time, but would also warn you not to waste it yourselves on race/ethnic bickering which adds no love and goes nowhere.
Only a word to thank RobRoy for his lyrical evocation of why BA is and has always been a lovely place to be for mongering reasons and others beyond. Can't comment on your comparisons with Italy - this middle aged Brit world traveller has for some reason not been there since school cultural trips when mongering was off the menu.
But BA, yes, how I ache for it. I'll be back to re-live the eighties and my sexual awakening there whenever I can: meanwhile I do my best to keep my libido fuelled (and fellow mongers informed) here in Lisbon and on business trips to London. Viva Rob Roy, viva Buenos Aires.
Gentlemen, you are all educated people who love women - set the world an example and don't make race a problem. All of us have had life-justifying moments in the arms and pussies of ladies of alien cultures. Take it from there.
mur
MarcoMan:
I posted an experience on Cielo Private back on December 2002 (12/24, if I remember well, the place at Larrea St and Santa Fe Av). The place is clean and safe, but the girls are just average looking from my point of view.
Where the website mentions "Garganta profunda" (deep throat), it means BBBJ.
Hope this helps,
Andres
Guys:
I have something to say about some postings that I read in the last months.
I'm not Jackson and I do not set the rules, but I guess that I get the spirit of the forum participation principles.
Please consider to:
1) USE APROPRIATE LANGUAGE: Nobody is asking for phony political correctness, but that doesn't mean allowance to be unpolite and disrespectful. Don't insult Jewish people, or French people or whoever.
2) AVOID JUDGING AND CONGRATULATING MONGERS: Nobody has the authority here to say "Mr. X is the best contributor", "I want to thank A, B and C who were the most useful contributors for preparing my trip", etc. Keep your judgement of others for yourselves. It doesn't add anything here.
3) KEEP YOUR POSTINGS TO THE POINT: VERY IMPORTANT!!!
You want to get useful and distilled info when traveling to BA, right? So give back by posting your info as you would like to research for it: Short, concise, with the appropriate coordinates (DO NOT INCLUDE REAL NAMES IF GIRLS USE FAKE ONES).
4) THIS IS NOT A "TRAVEL ADVENTURE" FORUM. IT IS AN INFORMATION FORUM. Histories like the one of the clock, which could be funny for some people, may be too long and meaningless for others.
5) THIS IS NOT A "PSYCHOLOGY ONLINE" FORUM. Keep your comments about guilt for paid sex, morality and the like for other forums. It may be OK to comment some situations, which are related of human behavior in BA and may help you in adjusting for the coordinates (like when to use the word "friend" or when to pay for non-sex company), but again: Just to get the coordinates.
6) (RELATED TO 5) DON'T LOOK FOR FORGIVENESS ABOUT HIGH PRICES HERE. We are not parole officers. Did you pay US$100 for one hour? Well... it's your money. Don't write "But this girl was really hot", "In the US it would cost me US$400/hour", etc. All we know what the prices are and what is well above the average. You own your money and decide what to do with it, but don't look for "clearance" here that you did the right thing.
REMEMBER: INFO IS WHAT KEEPS THIS THREAD ALIVE BECAUSE IS WHAT WE NEED.
Andres
I imagine Jackson couldn't have said it better himself.
Any of you guys know the name of the bar with the black door that is on Marcelo T. de Alvear between San Martin and Florida. The address is 554. It is just past Silvia's leather shop, and it is marked only by a black door.
The bar is nice, but expensive, about 19 pesos for a beer. The girls start coming in around 5 or so, and later.
I was just curious about the name.
Thanks,
Moondog
Moondog:
I think you refer to Periplo.
Andres
OutoftheGame
04-04-03, 10:45
Ok I wasn't going to get to this story till later but with all the heat bing put on my buddy Gabriel I wanted to share a story that has made this guy my hero and so you all will know what a good guy he is.
Myself and my buddy (Morder) just return from Mar Del Plata with our girls and have no place to stay our final 2 nites in BA, Gabriel allows us to keep our stuff at his place until we find a hotel. Well we get all set up at the Lois Suites and are ready to go get something to eat, only in BA can you get a great steak dinner at 3am, we decide to go with Gabriel to Hooks and see if we can find a couple of ladies that Gabriel and Morder had on thier "to do" list, Morder had been with Andrea but while previously visiting with her had Karina hand him her phone # when Andrea went to go change. Karina is a very petite girl with at most B cups, but the thing about her is she usually wears a very small mini skirt and spends the whole nite shaking that little ass of hers right by the dance floor. Now so Morder did not get bugged by Andrea Gabriel was going to take her, since Morder had nothing but good things to say about this girl, in his words "she really likes her job", I guess she will just keep going and going in bed.
As the cabbed turned down Suipacha towards Hooks we noticed 3 girls walking down the street, one of them was Karina, luckily we got thier attention because when we stopped infront of Hooks it was closed. We walk towards the ladies and begin to start quick negotiations, Morder was talking with Karina but didn't seem to find her as attractive outside the club, or he was starting to feel guilty for only being away from his girl that he proposed to in Mar Del Plata for a few hours and was already cheating on her. As Gabriel began to talk to Karina since Morder wasn't going to do anything I noticed Gabriel's girl that he had been seeing at Caddos (paula abdul) walking towards us with some friends. I tell Gabriel to look out and he sees her right away and immediatly hides in the corner and makes Morder and the other girls stand in front of him so he is not caught. I know I've done some pathetic things in my life but if I decide to see another girl then I will suffer how mad my prostitute/girlfriend will get if I'm caught, hell sometimes I want to get caught just so I don't have to see them anymore. Luckily for Gabriel she did not see him and he went abou his business. The only problem Gabriel was having is that Karina was the only good looking girl out of the 3. The second one had a good body but a little older and an ugly face, and the 3rd one was just plain ugly, and she was fat. Well Karina being the good friend that she was kept trying to pursuade Gabriel to take all 3 of them, after a little coaxing he agreed to take the 2nd girl but not the third then Karina made him an offer he couldn't refuse.......He can have all for 300 pesos, well he knew he would only have enough energy to screw 1 so at least the other 2 could give him a massage or something. And the deal was made, so here you have this old bastard going off with 3 girls of his own and myself and Morder at almost half his age standing with our dicks in our hand......................continued in Part II
OutoftheGame
04-04-03, 11:13
continued from earlier.
So after Gabriel left with the 3 ladies Morder and I go to Madaho's so I can say goodbye to the staff since I would be spending my final nite with my chica and figured not to see them again. We are warmly welcomed in Madaho's as usual and figure to just relax and chat to a couple of girls. It was close to 5am so not alot going on. Well Morder begins to have this great looking girl start to talk to him and rub her ass in his lap, I can't remember her name but she has shoulder length reddish-brown hair she is fairly flat chested but she has a great ass. As she is rubbing more and more he is getting weaker and weaker, he really doesn't want to do anything since the girl he likes works at the same bar and word will get back to her, so when she leaves to use the bathroom he decides to go. The bad thing is now he's like a loaded gun, and he has been drinking so the last thing doing his thinking for him is his brain. As we are walking back to the hotel a couple of older ladies try to talk to us, I think they came from Newports, I keep walking to try and ignore them but Morder decides he needs to get his rocks off and wants me to translate, I look at the girl and tell him if he was that horney then he should of taken the girl at Madaho's since she was hot, but I would not let him take this old ugly thing back to the hotel, he kept insisting so I came up with one of the best ideas I've ever had.....since we where only about 50 yards from Gabriels APt I told him to forget this girl and go knock on Gabriels door and you can have 3 women to choose from since Gabriel would be dead or passed out by this time. So he agrees that this is a great idea and actually goes and buzzes Gabriels Apt, now the rest of this story is just what I heard since I went back to the hotel. Well I guess when Gabriel heard the buzzer in his Apt he figured it to be either his girlfriend "paula abdual" or the horney Morder, he gladly buzzed Morder in and when Morder walked into the Apt Gabriel was standing at the top of the railing buck naked inviting Morder to have a few rounds with the ladies. Morder was only interested in Karina so while he was busy upstairs Gabriel and the other ladies enjoyed the show from below since they could see all that was happening do to the reflection from the giant window in the Apt. Afterwards the ladies all left and Gabriel being the gracious host that he is insisted on Morder sticking around to have a few beers and chat.
So I hope you all can see now what a good and unselfish friend Gabriel is, and why I think of him as my hero, I can only imagine being his age and doing as many girls that he did.
Greetings everyone,
There have been a small number of posts in this section in the past few days that, while intelligent and well written, have nothing to do with the subject of this Forum. Therefore, while I am usually quite reluctant to edit any member's contributions, I am advising everyone that I intend to edit these specific posts in one week, presumably after everyone has had the opportunity to read them. I have identified the proposed deletions in red for everyone's review.
To those of you whose posting(s) may be edited as described, please do not take any offense. I value your contributions to this Forum, but off-topic discussions simply do not need to remain as a part of the permanent database of sex travel information that is the WSG.
BTW, my personal observation here is that some people have their sensitivity radars turn up just a bit too much.
As always, I welcome your comments and suggestions.
Thanks,
Jackson
Jackson, you are too good to us.
OutOfTheGame,
Really injoyed your story, got a good laugh and it was great to see mongers using their wits and wherewithal to find a score, given a tricky situation. I am gald to see guys are telling stories again, rather then all this silly rhetoric.
I think story telling is ALMOST a lot art in these groups. More mongering stories please!!
Ciao
Spidy
El Ricardo
04-05-03, 00:02
Originally posted by Jony Vegas
Chop or Elricardo,
I notice from your posts that you both attend spanish language schools in BA. Can you provide me with the name or email address of the school and if you would recommend it for a person who will be in BA only a week or two.
Thanks
Jony Vegas,
Sorry to take so long to get back to you, but work has been overwhelming and will continue to be until 23APRIL when I return to Argentina.
Regarding language schools, I went to a school known as Linguatec (Eduardo Madero 1020) I made this connection through Amerispan (easily found online,) and there is also a parent Linguatec in Colorado. Amerispan has always lined me up with really good schools, so I was looking foreward to this one as well. I was disappointed with the school, but will use them again. The reason for using them again, is I found their staff to be top notch and I was able to get them to adjust their program to what I felt I needed. The disappointment was the initial testing they didwas complete nonsense, and they have this DVD set that takes you on an experience with a couple and teaches vocabulary for many situations. I can get this at home through a series of tapes known as Destinos (pretty good if you're inclined.)
Amerispan has hooked me up with schools in San Jose. Costa Rica, and Cordoba, Argentina that were outstanding. If you're interested in either of those, I can send give you more information. we may have to take this discussion off-line her since this doesn't have much to do with mongering...unless you want to talk with the girls too!
If you have other questions, let me know.
ER
El Ricardo
04-05-03, 00:11
Hola Amigos (Gabriel, outofthegame, jackson, MRLA, TommyNY, and others whose handle I can't remember at the moment!)
Sorry I've been out of touch, but I've been distracted with, work, knee operation, recovery, and a stupid Laborador Retreiver that knocked me off my bike when I was travelling at a pretty good clip. Fortunately I only destroyed my helmet, damaged my bike, and sprained my wrist! I have a hell of a shiner to boot! But, at least I can type for a while.
I am returning to Argentina in three weeks. I will spend one night in BA on the way down, and a weekend on the way back. I've also been exchanging a few e-mails with Patricia, so I'll probably see here at least on one of the passages through BA. Anybody else travelling to BA during early May ?
ER
OutoftheGame
04-05-03, 05:13
ER,
I think you need to stick with the chicas and keep the bike in the garage, at least it's a better way to die. I hope your doing ok other than the bike spill. I wish I could get to BA sooner but won't be able to return till Memorial Day weekend at the end of May, TommyNYC will be joining me and Morder for our return to the greatest place on Earth. Tell Patricia I said hi.
Ciao
I thought it time for me two add my 2 pesos to this board now that I have just returned from BA, since it has provided me with so much good information (and entertainment!)
Several people have asked "is Buenos Aires worth it?" Many have answered- probably not just for the mongering. This is also my opinion, but I still rate BsAS as one of the best mongering destinations around. Your experience will be greatly enhanced if you can speak some Spanish so make the effort or brush up on what you may have learned in high school or where ever. I have mongered in 5 continents now. I have no interest in the Asian scene--it's just not to my liking. Europe has a great diversity of attractive women, and in some countries, like Germany and Eastern Europe, attractive prices and an overall nice experience. London has a broad spectrum of opportunities but I find the low end--the Soho walkups--a bit filthy and unfulfilling, and the escorts seriously overpriced.
One of the best aspects of the BsAs experience is that you can get a really nice GFE and companionship as well as some good sex for prices that are fair. (Bearing in mind, as I write the peso is trading at $2.85 to the US$.) Not just the wham-bam-thank you ma'm we know from most other places. There is something special about latin women.
Allow me to mention quickly that I stayed in 3 different hotels as well as a few nights Saint's luxury flat. A private apartment is a great idea if you are going to be in BsAs for an extended stay, which I was, and his Libertad flat is superbly located and rather comfortable. Certainly beats the Etoile hands down!! The critics of the Etoile I find to be entirely correct. The beds suck and the prices have been jacked up to ridiculous levels. They are asking around $250 pesos plus tax now. That's nearly US$ 90. For US$ 70 I got myself booked into the Kempinski Park Chateau which is located only a few blocks away from Recoleta and on the way to the main shopping areas downtown. I also stayed at the Dazzler for US$40/nite plus tax, which was good value and proved useful for my many shopping excursions to the Calle Florida and Avenida de Mayo.
Now for the good stuff....in the next message
the good stuff -- continued.
Since I used this board as an invaluable resource, all of the places I visisted have already been described here. What I offer is my own commentary and an update of the scene as it appeared to me in March and early April of 2003.
The incalls
I visited three incall houses. The first was on Pasteur 556, Piso 1, 4952-3214. It is said to be open 24h/7. I got a 30 minute BBBJ for the unbelievable price of 22 pesos = USD 7 !! Now it got the job done, but let's face it, this wasn't a girl I want to kiss on the lips, but she was the only one available on a Monday afternoon. I'd only return if I was on a shoestring budget.
The second apartment I visited was on Peron 1509. THere was a choice of 4 chicas, but only one was offering BBBJ at that time, so I went with her. Prices were 60 Pesos for 30 minutes and an extra 20 pesos for BBBJ. The chica was in her early forties and bit past her sell-by date. The establishment was easy to find, and generally clean and agreeable. I didn't return and instead on the next day went to...
The apartment brothel in Recoleta on French 2254. Tel 4825-9168 This is a very nice town house brothel with well apointed rooms and bathrooms with sweetly scented decorated soaps and candles and is by far the nicest of the three I visited. I can't remember exactly but I think I paid 100 pesos and a thirty peso tip for BBBJ. I'd go back to try some of the other girls...
Internet girls
I had two, one pleasant and one fiasco.
The first was a nice young girl named Vanesa. You can find her at:
http://www.gemidos.com.ar/rubro59/mujeres/vanesa/home.htm
She arrived at my hotel about an hour late, but she did call to let me know. 150 pesos and I got off twice in the hour.
The second was a disgrace. Her name is Daila and is on the Platynum website. I wasn't actually calling her because I had liked her picture on the website. I thought I'd give the Clarin classifieds a try. I misunderstood that I would be getting a Rusa (Russian Girl) when I called the number. I wasn't very impressed with her when she arrived and regret not having kicked her out immediately. She gives you the impression very quickly of being very stupid. I decided what the heck, I'll let her give me a BBBJ and then she'll be gone. Price on the telephone was 50 pesos. WHen she arrived it was 70 pesos (because I'm a gringo I assumed). I only had a 100 peso note and she, of course, had no change. This was my worst mongering experience ever. Guys, avoid her like the plague. She insisted on making stupid moaning noises while licking my shaft (which is all she would do) and essentially giving me a really bad handjob. I ended up losing my nerve with her and threw her out. She pretended to not understand why I was unhappy. Anyway, the experience put me off the Clarin pages. And afterwards I stuck to the club girls..
Clubs
I visited either Madahos, Blacks and/or the Newport Bar on almost every single night I was in BsAs. I pulled two girls out of each establishment, although one girl Ivanna, at Blacks became my "novia" for most of my trip and we met up for dinners and other activities as well. My best experience occurred on one of my last nights in town, I was in Newports and hooked up with a Brazilian chica. It was intriguing because I just went up to her and started chatting away in Spanish and she was laughing at my jokes and we were enjoying our time. She offered to buy ME a drink. I of course refused and offered to buy her a water, which is what she was drinking. She didn't want any more water, but thanked me anyway. Some live music came on and we started dancing together--she put my hands on her hips as she was grinding away to the music. Nice body, and taller than the average chica you meet down in BsAs. So although I assumed she was a working girl, I wasn't 100% sure. She never made any comment to me that would have made that clear, and I didn't feel like moving into the price negotiation phase. Instead, I asked her if she wanted to go for walk with me. She asked where? I said. I don't know around the neighborhood for some fresh air. She agreed and she paid her open bar tab of 10 pesos for her drink. I had her out of Newports only having paid for my one beer. While we're out we stopping and looking at windows, she's telling me about how she likes Argentine wine, so I tell her I know a pretty good wine bar (Talcuhuno and Viamonte, near the Dazzler hotel). We're holding hands as we're walking there now. We sit down at the bar and order off of the pretty good list of wines by the glass. She opts for the most expensive Malbec on the list, and I go for a CabSav/Malbec blend. Both are good, hers a touch better. So I'm getting her picture. She's from Brazil, just moved to Buenos Aires, is taking a course in hairstyling and living in a friends apartment. She's taking a trip tomorrow down to one of the Argentine provinces for a few days to visit another friend of hers who married an Argentine. I'll be gone by the time she returns, so it's no or never. It is getting late...we walk out a few drinks later. I mention my hotel is near by, and she asks if that means I want to "conquer" her. I answer by kissing her on the lips.
Minutes later we're in my room. No signing in at the Dazzler, just straight upstairs. We watch a little TV, talk about the war, get the music videos on the screen, resume our kissing. I give her a sensuous massage on her back, which get her top off. I proceed to undress her, and she does the same to me. After I bring her to a climax orally, she returns the favor. Then it's the pump and grind. This was my best session in BsAs and I'm thinking to myself. Is this real or not. We never once spoke about money. I had been whoring so much, I had forgotten this was possible.
Next morning she takes a quick shower, gets dressed and kisses me goodbye. I hid some pesos in her bag while she was in the shower. She never looked in her bag while she was with me. Just gave me her number and e-mail.
So what do you experts think? There are some non-pros in Newports, did I pull one, or am I deceiving myself?
Anyway, that is what I love about BsAs.
If you found a non-pro in Newports, it could only be because she stumbled into the place by accident herself.
Jackson
Hello everyone,
Doing some research on the internet girls for my upcoming trip to BA (16 days til I’m surrounded by AR Ass!) I thought I would elaborate more about a site previously discussed on the forum called www.sensualplanet.com. I think it deserves some attention since it’s one of the few sites where the girls post their fee. First, you do have to register but it’s free and takes only a few minutes. It claims to be “the worlds largest escort directory”. Yeah whatever, and I’m hung like John Holmes! Once in the Argentina section, click on the girl and it will bring up her information with a few more photos. Not all the girls list their price but many do. They range from $20-$50US per hour. It’s very cool because you can find some of the girls from the Platynum site listed here as well. Of course the $20 girls aren’t that hot but I found one girl who was on my “To Bang While in BA List” (Cindi/Barbara at Platynum) advertising for $20US per hour. At the other end of the spectrum, you have a true pro like Indiana AKA Florida AKA insert state name here listed at $50 per hour. I've never been to any BA escort site without seeing her advertised. I have to give the girl credit for her all out marketing blitz, and begs the question, do some of these girls have pimps/managers? Hopefully this info will help anyone who has questions about what price to pay the internet girls. Look forward to meeting everyone in a couple of weeks!
Late,
Judd
Afterthoughts...
One intriguing girl I met in Blacks was a Russian named Natascha. I chatted with her a bit, but when it came to price talk, she stuck to USD 200/hour plus the bar fine and wouldn't budge. I gave up and pursued some others. She is very attractive, but also very professional. Anyone have some experience pulling her out of the place for a reasonable price?
Regarding prices in the clubs generally, I was taking the chicas out for 150 - 200 pesos plus bar fine, the exception being Blacks where I was generally paying 300 pesos (plus the 40 peso bar fine, for usually 3 hours or Toda la Noche. I imagine enough gringos have been paying up in Blacks which made negotiations more difficult. If you're interested in stretching your budget, I'd spend more time at Madahos and Newports (which is pretty dead until after midnight) and less at Blacks, although I would say, on average the quality at Blacks is a shade higher.
Another thing for any first-timers planning a trip to BsAs. I can't emphasize enough how important it is to have (and hold on to) small change. ATMs tend to dispense 100 peso notes, and my average cabfare was probably 3-4 pesos, which I would round up to 5 and sometimes even 10 pesos because of a lack of change. Having plenty of 2 and 5 peso notes is useful for tipping, etc.
Judd --- Every informative post regarding Sensual Planet's website --- If Im reading this right there two prices in the market place in Argentina --- The Escort-Argentina, or I.E. the "Gringo" price and or the Sensual Planet local Spanish price --- Either way it seams obvious that the better your Spanish is the more fun is to be had at a cheaper price --- Hope to meet some of you guy's down there sometime around the end of the month --- Thanks for the post --- Exon
Checked out Sensual Planet. The photographers in this country are masters of the airbrush. I have read a lot of reports of girls who were at least 10 years older than you would think from the pictures. I now look at all the pictures with this in mind. For example if you look at the pictures of Denise you think she is young with a tight body, if you look a little closer you see her large C-Section scar. It's just that when I look at the pictures I really don't believe the pictures.
Peter
When it comes to internet escort services, in general, most of the pictures of the chicas have been air brushed, so Buyer Beware. That is why it is so useful that whenever someone has a good experience with an internet chica they post it. My personal experience with the chicas listed in the "area-vip" web page was not very good (chicas much older looking than expected). I will be arriving in 11 days, I hope someone can post some good experiences they recently had with internet chicas and the related contact information, it would be most appreciated it.
Keep Shagging!
I just got in this morning from my first (quick six day exploration) trip to B.A. I just read through the last six days of postings and found so many to be on my mind I don't know where to begin.
First of all, I want to compliment Mayra and Roxana. I truly enjoyed their company. I got into my apartment around noon the first day and ended up spending the afternoon with them in Puerto Madero (sp?). Had a great four hour lunch.
So, of Cutty Sark, Playwomen, Affaire and Madahos, I would have to say Madahos was my favorite. It was my first club to visit last Monday night and I got there at about 1:00. It was slower than I was expecting (but more chicas than guys it seemed), since it was the 21st anniversary of the Malvinas War and a holiday. I talked with some guy who was a regular in there (works in B.A. for extended periods) for some general orientation. Before I have a chance to make some hits on a few I'm interested in, I'm "attacked" from behind by an admirer. She's cute but I brush her off only to have her come back in a little while (after I found the one at the top of my list to have a bad attitude). So, I've been hanging out for about three hours now (equally interested in getting used to the scene), and this same chica keeps coming by and works me with compliments and all that (I'm beginning to think she might like me). She finally seems a little pissed when she finally says "Okay, who you want ? I'll get her for you." Now, I have read from previous posters that the chicas will do this kind of stuff for a guy and it's like not a big deal. So I point out the one chica I still had my eye on and had not talked with yet. She bee-lines right over to the chica, and before you know it she's sitting down next to me. She tells me to speak to her in English since she wants to practice hers. This chick is a winner! We leave for her car that's parked on the next street. As soon as we're inside, she's crawling onto me and sucking the tongue out of my head. Damn, I'm thinking, I haven't had much experience with Latinas (always preferred the Slavic and N. European look), but this is the type of stuff I'm hoping is common with them. Excellent two hour session (almost did it in the car near my apartment). The only thing is her enthusiastic promise from the club to stay with me until noon was a lie (all of a sudden their is a daughter at home, etc.). But it was 200 pesos. (A good price she had told me at the club - the Argentinian price! - because she liked me so much - uh, yeah, right.) So began my first experience with an Argentinian woman - to be continued.
Hi Starfe,
Thanks for the info. regarding Melani but could you give us some information as to why she's a must on your list. What was so special about her or her services? Also, shagadelic, if you did a third of the girls on the vip internet web page, you have shagged alot of VIPs, congratulations! One last thing, I go for tall (love the legs), thin/athletic women, can you, or anyone else for that matter, recommend any girls from that page or any other internet site that you were happy with, and as always, contact info. is greatly appreciated. As for my input, Anabel is the only girl that I saw from areavip that I enjoyed. She was young (about 19 y/o), tall, and had a good figure, though not as attractive as I thought she would be from a look at her picture but nevertheless, cute. She had a good attitude, friendly and was very passionate in bed.
Saw that someone in a recent posting has noted that the quality of the girls in Blacks has improved or at least they have seen top quality looking chicas such as Natacha. That would be fortunate, however, I doubt that its merits the fees the girls are charging when compared to Madahos. Can anyone with recent information contribute to this point? Gatsby67, if you have more info. regarding Blacks, I'm sure most of us would love to hear about it. Blacks was legendary.
@Yeah Baby
What can I help you out with? Do you know Natascha from Blacks. IMHO she is the creme de la creme in the establishment, but not your typical latina (she's Russian after all) so a little bit taller, a little bit blonder. Killer body and beautiful face. I wanted to taste the genuine latina however, and as I mentioned, Natascha was asking for too much money and didn't even work at the illusion that she might like you or enjoy going to be with you. Besides that, I get my fill of Russians (which I quite enjoy) on my frequent travels to Europe.
As for the quality of the other girls at Blacks, I put it a grade above the other joints. There were quite a lot of Brazilians when I was there. I am terrible remembering names, but two Brazilians stick out in my mind. Both natural (more or less) blondes, one 21 years old, tall, slim, long blonde hair with a unmistakeable birthmark on her face, sort of like a slightly bigger Marilyn Monroe mole. She spoke some English, but I was already entangled with an Argentine girl named Ivanna, (who is tall with very long dark hair, slightly imperfect teeth, and a lovely voice and mannerism that hinted at being at least well brought up.) The other blonde Brazilian from Blacks was friends with Ivanna but I can' t remember her name exactly, except that it rhymed with Ivanna (maybe Jovanna, Johanna, Lavanna??) She wasn't quite as tall as I like, but angelic face and rather large natural boobs. (Ivana and I spent a bit of time talking about them.)
What put me off of her though, was that we hadn't spoken very long and she was manoevering me to buy her drinks. I preferred Ivanna, with whom I enjoyed flirting and chatting with for much longer before I suggested that she get her coat to leave with me.
On subsequent nights, Ivanna's friend was always making eyes at me--but she missed out and I stuck with Ivanna. (If you got something good, stick with it.)
There were easily 50+ women every night I was at Blacks, and just as easily, a dozen that were top class. Of course, sometimes you had to get there early, because they were being checked out of the bar first. Sometimes they recirculated back later in the evening, sometimes not. My first two nights in Blacks I stuck around until around 4 - 4:30 AM, because firstly, I thought prices would be easier to negotiate with girls that hadn't gotten any attention, and secondly, I wanted to suss out the place and get a feel for it. I spoke with just as many guys, both gringos and locals, as girls, to trade stories and recommendation, as we do here on this board. I'm sure that I spoke with some board participants, but I've kept a pretty low profile up to now.
To sum up, Blacks is still legendary, but they are charging a premium to the other establishments. If you can afford to shell out a bit more, you might get a better looking chica, but not necessarily a better overall experience. My best pulls came from Newports, but admittedly, they were statistical outliers from what I've seen in that joint. I'm not even sure one was a working girl.
Another difference between Madahos and Blacks is that I found the girls in Madahos to be a bit more aggresive in hitting on you. Especially the older ones. I don't like being rude and telling them to fuck off, but I nearly did. In Blacks or Newports, if you didn't initiate, I don't think anything was going to happen.
Clarins has some adverts for Ukrainian girls (70 pesos/hour), but in my previous posting I described the fiasco I had when I thought I was getting a Rusa (Russian chick) sent to my place. I guess chatting with Natascha had whet my appetit from some ol' USSR pussy. Any one else want to do some recon for the board?
I found the most aggressive chicas to be at Playwomen. I went there last Tuesday night around 1:00 maybe. It was slow. More chicas than guys. I'm not even sitting down for a minute with my beer and a chica comes up and works me hard. I don't mind the attention, but in less than two minutes easy, I have some lady asking me if I want to buy her a 50 pesos drink. After I move her off, I move over to the bar and have a few sips. In less than two minutes a long-legged blond comes out of nowhere and sits down to talk. Now she's alright and I take her suggestion to go for a more cozy seat in the back area. She's asking 200 pesos for two hours, but not before the "lady" pops up and asks if I want to buy her a 50 pesos drink (Madahos is 30 pesos). But 20 pesos does buy you two drinks at Playwomen. I was planning on pulling out of Madahos that night (for some unknown reason), so I told the girl I would think a little. She went off and within a few minutes another chica comes to set down next to me (real sweet - petite blond with a "Heidi" look). Now I think I'm sort of a picky guy, and normally two aggressive girls in a row that choose me I would probably not have a big interest in. But the last two girls are alright. The "lady drink pusher" is over right away, and I make it more clear to her that I'll buy a lady a drink when I am certain I will go with her and have agreement on the details. (Getting an aggressive feel?) So anyhow, I'm getting warm on the idea with "Heidi" - cute little pig-tails. She quotes me 500 pesos for a short time. I laugh and she quickly mentions for her and her girlfriend. In a matter of seconds (don't underestimate the power of laughing at a chica's price quote) she has her price down to 300 pesos for the two of them for two hours as she runs off to get her friend over. (I don't know, I'm new here - is this an aggressive place?) So her friend comes over, but as is so often the case, the second "choice" (not my choice) just doesn't float my boat. I tell her I am only interested in her and will give her 200 pesos for two hours. Well, she seems to have a problem that I am staying in an apartment and not a hotel. I'm big and she's little ... Damn, but despite the aggressiveness of the place, I thought there were some pretty good-looking chicas in the place. In retrospect, I kick myself for not pulling one of the women from in there. The word seems to be that this place has deteriorated some since the "violence" many months ago. I kind of liked it, even though I've just said some negative things about the aggressiveness. But I think it could have been rather manageable with a small group of guys.
So, I ended up at Madahos with my tongue-sucking hottie driving me back to my place after four o'clock.
Just a few thoughts: in general, I didn't find the quotes I was getting from the chicas to be as ridiculous as I thought I would have to deal with. I found most of them giving me the 200 pesos for short time (or two hours as I always called it - and none of them ever argued with that). I gently pushed the bounds at times to see how they would react. I told one chica - "No, 200 pesos for 3 hours". She got up and walked off in thirty seconds. I questioned a chica on her 300 pesos for a TLN, and she angrily responded, "No, that is my price!" I was happy I didn't get the $100 US quotes tossed at me. From some of the posts in the past, I wonder if the chicas sense a slower market right now and are less aggressive in pushing the upper prices. Mayra and Roxana both said last Sunday that they have seen a noticeable drop off in visitors lately due to the war (probably).
Also, I chose not to go to Blacks on this trip to check it out. But whatever it's worth, the one girl I got to know the best from Madahos (saw her three times) told me she knows a lot of the girls from Blacks. She told me how they dress. When I told her it was rumored to be an over-priced place for stupid tourists she agreed in an instant (no hesitation). When I asked if the chicas there are more attractive or anything like that, she made a face and said "no, they are just like the chicas in Madahos". Jealousy on her part or something like that? I don't know.
Oh, yeah - I was wondering if anyone has any thoughts or experiences with the chicas that seem to be fine with going to get a woman that you want for you. I remember other posters in the past making passing mention about it, like no big deal. Well, this came out yesterday when I had an afternoon session with that first chica that was "gotten" for me in Madahos last Monday by the helpful chica that wouldn't leave me alone for hours. It seems she was asking my chica all about me the next night (they all talk). My chica brought her up yesterday in the conversation and let me know that this girl was really angry with me (this is four and a half days later). It kind of fits with the different stories I hear on this forum about chicas getting jealous and giving guys attitudes when they see them again, etc. So, I don't know about those friendly, helpful chica comments once in awhile. I think many of these women feel competition with each other and it might be hard to be rejected as a woman or something like that.
Most of the questions and comments on the attractiveness of the chicas in B.A., and whether it was worth it for a European guy to make the effort of the trip were on target. Although I openly admit a bias for the Slavic and N. European look, I was expecting to see more beauty in this city. Like a previous poster said on viewing the internet pictures - "They looked kind of thick". I especially like a small cute ass, and this was my concern (although I found there to be plenty of chicas that had nice asses). Besides the advantage of the chicas being a little bit cheaper than many parts of Europe, I would say the big thing is the potential for a lot of GFE. This is important for me, and in general, I just felt a lot more casualness about the whole sex thing there. I am seriously considering an extended trip again for this main quality of the experience.
The one curious thing that I am not sure about is the degree of acting that these chicas do. I'm as much of a cynic as the average guy in this game, but it does seem that the chicas in B.A. do give out a lot more genuineness of feeling. One of my favorite chicas got pissed when I playfully told her she was a good actress. (Maybe she was faking being pissed, but I don't think so.)
I'll be staying at the Hilton in Buenos Aires. What's the action in the nearby areas? Any chicas in the hotel itself? Thanks.
Ho_chaser:
If I remember well, the Hilton is located well within the Puerto Madero area, so it is far from the action.
Just take a cab and for ar$4-5 you can get into Recoleta in 10 minutes or less (by taking Madero Av , Libertador Av and Pueyrredon Av until Vicente Lopez St)
Hope this helps,
Andres
"I hope someone can post some good experiences they recently had with internet chicas and the related contact information, it would be most appreciated it."
-----Originally posted by Yeah Baby
Yeah Baby, I was in BA last November and among other fine ladies I saw there was Sandy, an incredible Peruana I spent a lot of time with....I can tell you beyond a doubt that if you look at her pics on Escorts-Baires and Platynum.com that most of the pics capture this girl's beauty perfectly, this girl's beauty is not from photo editing tricks! She's about 26 years old, not an ounce of fat on her body and we had an awesome time together. Maybe this was due to the fact that we started out by having a nice, romantic, candlelit dinner at one of her favorite places and by the fact that I speak very good Castellano for an American gringo (at least that's what the locals tell me). I found her to be awesome in bed and that she tried to please me anyway I wanted to be pleased, although I never asked her for anal sex. She told me she reserved anal for her real boyfriends but who knows, maybe she just reserves it for her poorly hung amigos. Anyway, I've posted several times about this lovely girl so this is mostly rehash but I've heard from a friend of mine that reads this board who met Roxana that Roxana is a real champion of Sandy's and it's probably because she really gives you your money's worth and is great company out of the bedroom too! If any of you see her, tell her "El Vendedor" says "Hola!". Also, if Roxana is reading this as I understand she does from time to time, even though you and I haven't met yet, if you happen to talk to Sandy, please don't forget to tell her that "El Vendedor" says "le quiero mucho."
Jak,
Here's my private take on the question of whether chicas fake GFE, with some suggestions on how to experience the real deal.
Most chicas tend to worry about the here and now, getting through to tomorrow the best they can. That is often not a pleasant prospect. So when a courteous and attentive foreigner shows up to buy her dinner and pays twice/tripple the going rate, it's like Cinderella discovering the prince. Of course some girls are more jaded than others, but if it felt like honest to god GFE, chances are high the girl was sincere. If so, why mess up a nice thing with second guessing. What is there to lose?
Latina girls in general are extremely romantic and have been brought up to take care of the men, including in the bedroom. One of the greatest social sins a wife can commit is to not please her man in bed. If such info was revealed about a young bride, the collective gasp would suck BA into the Atlantic. Watch some of the South American soaps, and you get the picture. The drama is all about how the characters fail to meet their social roles. There are unwritten rules like a young girl living under her father's roof can not fuck around, but as soon as she is considered adult her duty is to make her boyfriend VERY happy so he will beg to take her off daddy's hand for good.
I believe most chicas entertain this fantasy deep in their psyche. One of my semi-pro girlfriends played "Pretty Woman" in her VCR until the tape broke. Anyway, ask the chicas how often they watch soaps and whether they discuss the plots and characters with other chicas. The answer may surprise you.
Sorry if these ramblings miss the target of this section, but I think few will deny that Latinas act very differently from Western women. The cultural foundations are quite different. We should pay attention to these differences when we visit, it can really enhance the overall experience.
Finally, the Idiot's Guide to GFE:
Take her to dinner in a romantic spot. Then be friendly but firm with the staff to ensure everything is to her liking. (Ie. choose a different table, then ask her if she likes that one better, that sort of thing...)
Compliment her looks, clothes, smell, etc., repeatedly. Interrupt your own conversation to do so.
Buy her small presents, don't need to cost much. A single flower stem goes a long way.
Ask about her family, especially the mother, then pay attention even if she talks for 3 hours afterwards (In the end it's worth it.)
Champagne.....
Take her dancing. If you can't dance, go to a slow dance place with mellow, romantic music.
Fall in love - temporarily.
Make love until the equipment wears out.
Repeat steps above. You should be set for weeks on end...
BB ;)
I am now in BA!
The flight has been terrible (16 hrs) but finally I am here. The plane landed just an hour ago, so no real info yet.
Email me if you are in town:
marco_freebook@hotmail.com
I will see my first chica in 2 hrs (platynum) and post and update later.
from BA
MarcoMan
MarcoMan,
Hope you have fun shagging and I'm looking forward to your report. DownBA, thanks for the input regarding Sandy it was complete, I've heard alot of positive feedback regarding this particular chica. However, when in Rome do as the Romans, accordingly, I want chicas from Argentina! So, MarcoMan, were all counting on you for up-to-date info. pertaining to the local talent.
Nine days and counting. Outofthegame, or as a kindly like to refer to my friend as, outofyourmind, I bet labor day seems a long time off but don't worry it will be here soon enough. I'll update you and Mr. Mordir about your chicas as soon as I get in.
Originally posted by BeachBoy
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Finally, the Idiot's Guide to GFE:
Take her to dinner in a romantic spot. Then be friendly but firm with the staff to ensure everything is to her liking. (Ie. choose a different table, then ask her if she likes that one better, that sort of thing...)
Compliment her looks, clothes, smell, etc., repeatedly. Interrupt your own conversation to do so.
Buy her small presents, don't need to cost much. A single flower stem goes a long way.
Ask about her family, especially the mother, then pay attention even if she talks for 3 hours afterwards (In the end it's worth it.)
Champagne.....
Take her dancing. If you can't dance, go to a slow dance place with mellow, romantic music.
Fall in love - temporarily.
Make love until the equipment wears out.
Repeat steps above. You should be set for weeks on end...
BB ;)
Beachboy,
All good points. Thanks.
Moondog
Tuesday the 7th of April.
Version 1.0
This post has only info on Marianela from Platynum.
Prologue
Appointment arranged via Roxana (thanks!). You can’t see her face from the ad, my decision was purely based her body, slim and athletic, and breast size.
What you get
The agreed price was 250 pesos for 1 ½ hrs. Overpriced, I know, but from the pics she looks really high level. To the point: she is between 40 and 45, and you can really see it from her face! On the other hand the body is more than acceptable. She looks like a 20 years old model, really amazing! But when it comes to touch her…well she is not as “solid” as you would expect from a youngster. Very disappointingly, her breasts are not even half of the size of what you see on the website. About a B cup (pure silicon).
The overall experience? NO IDEA! I am used to the London scene, and compared to that it would have been a great session. Here in BA I am sure u can spend your money more wisely. I had to pay an extra 50 pesos for a BBBJ. I know it is nothing, but the simple fact you have to negotiate for that is annoying. No rush at all, payment after, she used about 5 of her condoms. She has been very warm and friendly.
I love bbbj, probably more than anything else, and she wasn’t that special. I can rate the exp about 6, that can vary between a 4 and a 8. It all depends on your tastes: I personally like old women with great bodies, but you may not. Certainly not worth the 350$ I spent but….what a fuck!
Next: Going out to check Orleans.
MarcoMan
JamesBond69
04-08-03, 18:16
Originally posted by MarcoMan
Tuesday the 7th of April.
Next
Going out to check Orleans.
MarcoMan
A forty year old woman in your first hour in BA!!!!
And now you're going to Orleans, for more oldies
You really like them old, don't you.
My suggestions. Save your energy and money. Get some rest. Hit Madahos at midnight, Hooks at 2am and Blacks at 4am, the only time at Blacks when you might be able to get a 10 for the price of an 8.
ho_chaser,
Andres, of course, is correct about the distance and how to get to the Recoleta clubs. However, the Hilton is close to Microcentro(downtown) and there is action in the downtown clubs (Cutty Sark, Hook, Catto, Ness, Periplo) and Cafe Orleans (a restaurant not a bar). You can walk to these from the Hilton in about 5-10 minutes. They are not as "classy" in general as the Recoleta clubs but you can find an assortment of chicas in them.
There are also streetwalkers downtown if you are into that. And there are clip joints with touts trying to lure you in, so I would recommend that you stick with the places you read about in this forum.
I'm sorry to disagree with Moondog but I don't think Beachboy make very good points at all.
Idiots Guide for a GFE, indeed the title says it all, a guide for idiots. Whats concepts are these; falling in love- temporarily, acting like some big shot in resturants in order to impress your prostitute, and my personal favorite, asking your chica about her mom. These points are akin to not cheating on your prostitute. If you want to be a gentlemen with your chica, as well you should, that is fine. But I believe that many mongers are going to get ripped off financially and/or worse suffer a world of hurt if they confuse a GFE with a prostitute with an actual girlfriend relationship, these experiences are quite different with the only similarity being that they both cost you money. As for the jealousy mentioned in regards to the chicas at Madahos, once again guys, its all about "Show Me The Money". Remember, your coming for the shagging, if you want a girlfriend stay at home if you want guilt free sex with a chica that knows how to deliver and treat you well, than you've come to the right place.
Mongers stay focussed. Chicas names, rates, ratings, contact information and useful stories.
MarcoMan,
Be careful, the chica that you seleted from Platynum (Marianela) has a blue asterik in her description box, accordingly, this indicates that the photo of the girl is not the actual girl coming over to your hotel room but solely and, in theory only, one that looks like her.
Man, when you go to Madahos tonight and find out what can be had for 200 pesos are you going be happy and pissed off at the same time. Well, live and learn.
MarcoMan,
The naming scheme on Platynum can be very confusing. There is a Marianela; blue asterisk, 20 something blonde, obviously lifted from a porno shoot, not a real girl (at least not one who will show up at your door).
And then there is a Marianella, older brunette, face obscured but a great set of pendulous knockers. The difference between the 2 being 1 letter... "l".
If you have the time, if you care, could you verify? Did you see Marianela, or Marianella?
The latter is on my short list.
Thanks,
Guillermo
I appreciated Beachboy's comments on the GFE. Everybody likes something a little different in their experiences, and I think there are probably many guys here that like the less cold-business approach that can be found with many of the B.A. chicas. It doesn't mean that the guy is stupid, he just likes his experience with a warmer edge to it.
I know several posters have made a point of emphasizing a "just the facts" kind of approach, but I think there is good information to be gleaned from many guys that have written in more of a narrative style. I'm sure many guys did enjoy reading about the "clock" story (I did). Many guys have commented how they enjoyed reading Saint's posts in the past (I did - they were rather storied in their style). I think the narrative approach can be helpful in giving guys a sense of the atmosphere of B.A. - especially guys that have not travelled there yet.
I would like to think that a variety of posting styles is acceptable for the forum, and that there are many guys that appreciate all the various types of posts.
Maybe Jackson could step in and give some comment on the style and variety of postings that he thinks this forum should have for its parameters.
YeahBaby,
Sorry that my stab at humour went right past your radar. My "Idiot's Guide to GFE" was not meant to be taken quite that literally. However, my comments were not intended for the crowd favouring dial up sex by the hour.
We each have our own way of getting what we want, -with mixed results, mate.
Hi Beachboy,
I appreciate the humor on this forum and I try to keep my comments on the light side taking a stab at adding humor to my comments as well. I, as much as the next guy, like being with chicas that are sweet and kind and don't act like some cold fish in bed and in BA this is more often the case because the women are friendly and enjoy sex as much as men. However, my concern is that more often than not I find fellow mongers in BA that end up falling for these girls and start wondering if whether they should send them money each month or so, so that they will give up working. How often have we've heard comments such as, I don't think she was acting, I think she really like being with me or I feel guilty about being with someone else in Madahos because my usual girl gets jealous, mind you, this is the same girl thats with a different guy or two each night at least 4 or 5 times each week. I enjoyed the "clock story" and other adventure stories of fellow members of this board, I just think some mongers confuse lust with love and, as a result, they are heading for a fall. Gabriel said it best, were buying a service, granted, it comes with a heart and a smile but at the end of the day its just rented not earned.
However, I've also said this before, if I find a chica that looks like Faith Hill, Cindy Crawford or Britney Spears, all the above noted will be disregarded by me and I'll probably act like the biggest fool in love.
Jackson has said it himself recently, some members sensitivities are running a bit too high. Shagg On!
"Of course some girls are more jaded than others, but if it felt like honest to god GFE, chances are high the girl was sincere. If so, why mess up a nice thing with second guessing. What is there to lose?" - posted by Beach Boy
Here's my take on the GFE thing: enjoy it and savor it as much as you like but never forget that these girls know damn well that BA is an FUCK theme park for adult males from around the world and that the GFE is the main attraction of their theme park...they know you're coming for the GFE and that the GFE is what keeps you coming back to give them more business, what makes you refer your buddies to them and most of them either read their own reviews in the various English and Spanish language forums or hear about them from their colleagues that do!
You can get as caught up in their illusions as you like but don't ever forget that when you get on the plane to go home they don't have to stop paying their bills nor do their lifestyles change and they become hermits that don't go out on their days off to enjoy all the wonderful things BA offers. They don't stop buying nice new clothes and expensive cosmetics (very important for playing the GFE roll), going to the movies and Hip Hop concerts, going to Montevideo for a few days of r & r, etc, etc, etc. So while you're back in the USA no matter how much you felt they fell head over heels for you and claimed you as their very own Pet Gringo, they're back in BA performing their next GFE for their new "amor" of the day, week or month.
All of this is ok by me, mind you, I've been to BA 4 out of the last 5 years and hopefully will be back every year of my life until they close the lid on my coffin or until my pija stops getting up for the occasion (looks like that day is WAAAAAY off, THANK GOD), I'm going to keep enjoying the GFE and incredibly good Argentinian concha while trying my best to keep things in perspective.
A close Argentinian friend of mine says it's all part of the job description and jaded as it sounds, I fully agree after having fallen hard for one of these amazing chicas several years ago and finding out that I was just another one of her "amigos". DownBA
Guys,
Let's wrap up this topic before it turns into a UN debate, -and Jackson transfers the thread to that site.
I was trying to dress up my armchair sociology with a few sprinkles of playfulness.
As several have noted, BA is like an adult Disneyland, and it affords the opportunity to indulge in a short term fantasy. Nothing wrong with taking the plunge into the fount of youth and beauty while there, but then it's back to the Visa bills and the Monday morning status meetings. The important point is knowing how to separate the two worlds, yet make the most of each.
For some that means bedding 5 chicas in 8 hours, for others it means building friendly relations with favoritas that last ...... longer than a NASA count down.
How is that for diplomacy?
Vive la difference!! May we all get laid often and well.
totally agree with the gentleman's statement about the fantasy land and the visa bill plus monday status meeting. bottomline is we should have a professional/work life and play life. some people's life is all work and they'll be scare when weekends or holidays come along as they have no clue what to do. some, live for the weekend crowd. they don't enjoy what they do at work and couldn't wait for the weekend to come around. the goal is to enjoy one's work life but certainly get time to play when the moment comes around.
MiddleAgeGuy
04-09-03, 13:24
Originally posted by BeachBoy
As several have noted, BA is like an adult Disneyland, [/i]
The other quote one of the regulars made regarding the finer side of BA is "It is like sport fishing". You are out there for that great catch on those rare occasions when you get to go fishing, all the better experienced with your buddies. Still, a true Sportsman puts his catch back in the water, for the enjoyment of future anglers, (mongers?). That said, as a youngageguy, I wasn't interested in returning anything I caught for the 'enjoyment' of future generations. I don't know if it is maturity or simply the new age of conservation, but I give a hearty thanks to sport fishermen of old with their 'catch and release' practice.
Confirmed now coming to heaven in mid-May. I will keep an eye on who ever is down there and good fishin!
Middleageguy
Pahllus Maximus
04-09-03, 18:30
Question: Real World Price on Handjob & Massage (especially prostate)
There are some chicas who offer "massage", no doubt with a happy start and ending. The following look interesting, but I would like to know the real cost (assume NO sucking or phucking) for these experiences. Just a pair of soft, feminine and delicate hands on my privates
The following chicas are what I have narrowed it down to, and now I need some prices, as I am a horny man and plan to use these chicas (and a whole lot of others :-)) MANY times a day. I guess after a few visits the rates will drop as I am a "regular" no ?
Masajes estimulantes en lineas erógenas de próstata (Soledad 4312-8071)
En especial Prostático (Eva 4326-0529)
Experiencia en terapia próstatico vigorizante (Maritza 155-007-2319)
Masajes tantricos Estefy 15-5122-6498
And a whole lot more - with/without toys (Belen 154-565-4356)
Tit Massage
Daniela 48125231
Alexis 4312-2023
Overall, my brain is going haywire reading this post and looking at the stunningly beatiful chicas.
On a separate note, it seems the current rates are "about" $AR 150 for full service, though does anyone know cost (or any recommendations) for anal or "servico completo" as it is called.
Sigh. A sex driven economic recovery. I am all in favor of it. Men get happy and confident and feel "sunny" and invest. Women get bonked, make money and, I suspect, take a certain pride in driving men crazy and knowing the pleasure they create.
Nacho,
That is definitely typical of the internet chica picturews, but this abigail girl has a face that looks 100 years old. I would estimate her to be 45 or so. Vancouver has better available.
Peter
Thanks Peter,
to any of you who are now confused, I moved my original message to the general section just after I posted it.
Damn! you guys are fast!
JustGotBack
04-11-03, 16:50
Just wanted to give everyone a heads up on the United E-Fare to EZE today. $500 or $575 with taxes from most of the US to EZE. Cheaper the closer you are to the East Coast.
Gentlemen, here´s my report from Buenos Aires.
I am in my last day of a 9 day vacation here. Had to be out of the hotel by noon, and don´t have to be to the airport till 6PM, so I can use one of these ridiculously cheap internet stands (36 cents, US per hour) to kill some time and add my report of my experiences.
I believe that Buenos Aires is paradise for hobbyists. I tried 3 different ways to get some play and had success at each so here goes.
Clubs- My favorite were Hooks in Barrio Norte (near Dazzler Hotel) and Affaire in Recoleta. A drink at either place will set you back 10 Pesos ($3.60 US), and when you find your sweetie for the night an obligatory drink for her will be 20 Pesos... Then you can take your time and enjoy the bar scene before you take her home. It is a must to negotiate with these girls. They start out at 200 or 150 Pesos. If you have little Spanish skills, you can get them down to about 120, like my friend NanaMitch did. If your Spanish is good like mine, 100 Pesos is the final price ($36 US), and that is for as long as you need them, usually 1.5 hours or so. And these girls are beautiful. 15-20 at each club, and usually a few stunners, tall blondes, petite brunettes, 20-25 years, some Payaguayas and Brazilieras in the mix. Someone trains these girls good. Solid GFE all the way with BBBJ and all the lovin you can imagine. Lorena at hooks (young blond) and Brigitte at Affaire (skinny blonde) are highly recommended.
Clarin Ads- The local newspaper, El Clarin, runs usually 300 ads in section 59 for girls who will come visit you at the hotel. They are usually clearing houses who will send out someone on their list, usually not resembling anyone that you called in the first place. But the price is right (30 Pesos - 70 Pesos per hour), and it is kind of fun seeing who shows up. I always told them what I wanted, and that I would send her home if someone showed up that I didn´t like. I actually did, once, gave her 5 Pesos for the cab and sent her packing. I only got one really great one from the Clarin, and she was the 30 Peso girl, so figure it out. Where else can you get that for $10 US?
Apartment Girls- There are many apartments that serve as brothels in Buenos Aires. Talking to a Clarin girl, she gave me the address of hers. It is Rivadavia 916, called El Pisito VIP. Prices there are 70 Pesos per hour, with usually 8-10 girls there to choose from ( perhaps even a couple of good looking ones). I went there last night. I wish I knew of more, because I have several hours to kill before I leave for the airport. Perhaps I´ll go th El Pisito and do a double.
The club action does not start until 11 PM and goes to 5 AM. So Clarin and Apartments fill the void during those long afternoon hours.
My home was the Dazzler Hotel, and it was great. Nice room, plenty of hot water and water pressure, very clean, and completely guest friendly. I made sure that I signed in with reservations for a room for 2. They were very nice. When a Clarin girl would come up, she had to register at the desk, and they would call me up. I told them to send her up, and they did. There was never as charge for this type of activity. NanaMitch stayed at the El Conquistasdor on Suipacha, not far away and a few doors down from about 5 clubs including Hooks. They hassled him a few times, till he laid a 20 Peso note upon several of the desk people.
We did get taken in by a couple of scams not regarding the girls. NanaMitch had the "mustard scam". He got hit by some alleged bird shit and when some nice porteños cleaned it off of him, they had also cleaned out his wallet which they left on the ground (so as to not be implicated by said wallet). A nice touch was that a fake cop came up and made a show of force around the area as the thieves made their get away. I actually saw someone later sneakingly throwing a crushed Coke cup filled with white substance which hit innocently on the sidewalk near where I was walking. Taxis are another story. Once we literally got taken on a full city tour when expecting only a 5 block ride. But the best one was the "Fast Change Artist". I gave him a 50 peso bill for a ride, but he wanted a different one he has seen in my wallet (big mistake there for letting him see my wallet). He wanted, for some reason a Series A 50 Peso Bill. So he gave me back mine. And I gave him the other bill he wanted so badly. He then gave me the change for the 50, which was 42 pesos. It wasnt till I started thinking about it and counting my money that I realized that he hadn´t returned my original 50 Peso bill, but a 2 Peso bill, WHICH I TIPPED HIM WITH WHEN LEAVING THE CAB!! That was a live and learn experience, and now I keep pesos and a couple of small bills in my right pocket when riding taxis. And I am on the lookout for mustard of bird shit. And no one better touch me except if they are giving me some GFE.
Finally I can´t sign off without mentioning our friends Roxanne and Jackson. I called Roxanne and emailed her before my arrival. She was always very friendly and helpful. It was a surprize that Jackson, the owner of this service, lives in Buenos Aires, as I had planned the trip long before I knew that fact. But once coming, I knew that I had to lay a handshake upon him and buy him a drink. He was very cordial, and we enjoyed doing some mongering with him. If anyone gets the chance to rent his apartment, I strongly recommend it. It is beautiful, and right in the center of all the Recoleta action. Jackson, thanks for everything, and good luck with the forum and your other endeavors.
48 hours to go before the loving begins. Yeah Baby.
BigBruno, thanks for the report, nice summary and thanks for the tips on the blondies, definetly going to look them up. Hope you have time to go and, subsequently, give us the dirt on El Pisito Vip. Agree 100% on the Jackson apartment rating. Thanks again.
In el Pisito VIP it's 70 pesos - sex, no anal though and 100 pesos-sex & anal.
There a few that a really good looking and the place is decent.
HappyGoLucky
04-17-03, 21:13
Hey Guys,
I just finished reading BigBrunos report and want to say it is interesting, complete, and accurate- well worth the reading.
My buddy and I are here for a couple more weeks so I will try to post experiences which I think might be useful to some of you. To begin, I bumped into some mongers at Mahados a few nights ago who were unfamiliar with the rules, so perhaps I should explain some of them (although I am sure rules have been covered elsewhere in the forum). When you meet a chica at Mahados, you have to buy her a drink if you want to take her home for an hour and a half. If you want to have her for two hours, you have to buy her two drinks. The admission charge is 20 pesos and each drink is 30 pesos (some drinks are more); consequently, the donation to Mahados will be at least 80 pesos for two hours at home with your chica (appx. 3 pesos to the US dollar). If your chica does not return to the club within the 2 hour limit, Mahados will charge her 30 pesos (of course you can always offer to pay her fine and keep her as long as she desires...)
Anyway, as for the chica´s fee, it can really range depending on a variety of factors such as your looks, bargaining skill, time of night, girl competition, so on and so forth. I have been quoted as much as 300 pesos at Mahados but refuse to pay it. There is simply no reason to encourage inflation in this hobby, and in so doing ruin it for the locals- it is a matter of social responsibility. That said, I generally pay 150 pesos to a chica from Mahados which brings the tab to 230 pesos (150 for the chica and 80 for Mahados). In addition, because I am a gentleman, I usually pay the lady´s cab fare back to the club. There are certainly cheaper ways to secure some lovin in Buenos Aires, but I like the selection at Mahados and I have come to know some of the chicas there who are wonderful, warm, and endearing young beauties. The best nights to go appear to be Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday; Saturday can be very slow. I have heard that the chicas like to go out with friends and lovers on Saturdays and one can often find them at a club called Asia de Cuba. I have not yet been to Asia de Cuba, but plan to report on it in a later thread. In the meantime guys, go
Happygolucky.
DonRoberto
04-18-03, 16:29
Just got back from three delightful weeks in this remarkable country. In BA made the rounds of the same places I frequented last trip, the Affaire, the Estilo Boliche, the "humidor" on Tucuman and Florida. In the Affaire, I strongly recommend a slender blonde named "Shamila" (or something like that), a daytime girl, who gives a really good half hour for 70 pesos. At the Tucuman place, there were a couple of quite good-looking girls whose names I don't remember (also 70 pesos). Have the impression that there is downward pressure on prices for these girls, since prices seem to be a bit lower than my last visit 6 months ago.
The problem with Argentina is that it spoils you for anywhere else in the world, where the goods, even if of comparable quality, seem way overpriced.
HappyGoLucky
04-19-03, 21:01
Hola Hobbyists!
I just bought Sildenafil from a farmacia on the corner of Paraguay and Uriarte in Palermo (3 blocks from Santa Fe and Las Heras) for the unbelievably paltry sum of 18 pesos per box; each box contains four 50 mg tablets (appx. $1.50US per tablet). They were out of the 100 mg tablets so I do not know what they would cost. The farmacia did not ask for a prescription and the gentleman spoke with me at length about the wonderous and beautiful women of Buenos Aires. I am told that Sildenafil is the same as Viagra (is that true Jackson?) so needless to say compared to US prices I am a very Happygolucky guy today!
Gentleman, start your motors...!
Hey Happygolucky,
Yes, sildenafil is definitely the same as Viagra. Same components, both by Pfizer. Have tried both and seen no difference.
Enjoy!
Not exactly. All Viagra is sildenafil, but not all sildenafil is Viagra. Viagra is Pfizer's trademark for sildenafil citrate, for which they have a US patent. Sildenafil citrate is the generic name for "Viagra." So, "sildenafil" could be Viagra made by Pfizer, OR it could be a generic knock-off made by another manufacturer. My guess is the latter, given the price. Doesn't mean it won't work, but if it doesn't have the Pfizer brand it is not "Viagra."
MeGustaBoliches
04-21-03, 11:56
Viagra/Sildenafil....Sildenafil is readily available in BA without a presciption. A "receta" is required in theory, but a recent article in Clarin reported that few pharmacies asked for a prescription....
There are 5 or 6 different pharmacutical companies that market sildenafil in Argentina, including Pfizer...Pfizer does not sell sildenafil under the brand name "Viagra," but it is available in the same individually wrapped blue pills as in the USA at about 2/3s the price.....This price makes it much more expensive than other generics marketed in BA., although much lower in price than in the United States. The pharmacy at the corner of Paraguay and Florida sells Pfizer. Other pharmacies may sell only one brand, which may or may not be Pfizer.
OttoGraham
04-22-03, 17:29
UNCLE OTTO UPDATES BUENOS AIRES
Your Uncle Otto has been back to Buenos Aires twice in the last month. In general, I can say that the economic conditions are somewhat better than they were on his first trip to Buenos Aires last year (check my reports in my separate section).
However, I think all of the advice and suggestions contained in my 2002 reports still hold true - review them without reading a single word of this Forum more, and you'll have an excellent idea about doing BsAs right.
Let me describe a few areas worth your attention.
Comments on Clubs
On my most recent trips I visited Madaho's, Playwoman, Solid Gold, Sodoma (all four on the same block, west of Recoleta cemetery), Affaire (on the same block as Etoile Hotel, but around the corner), Black (across the street from the Alvear Palace Hotel), and Hook (900 block of Suipacha, near the intersection with Paraguay street).
As usual, my favorite is Black, which has the highest prices and the best-looking girls. Figure something on the range of US$100-200 for a session, depending on the girl and your negotiating skills. I always ask for my favorite waitress, Edit, a very nice blonde who remembers me and pours the stiffest gin-and-tonics in BsAs (she knows I drink Tanqueray). 35 pesos a drink, but I'll be damned if Edit doesn't pour me a drink that's three shots of Tanqueray followed with a splash of tonic on top. Two of those and you won't care anymore about getting laid! ;)
Affaire desperately needs a ventilation system for the fog-like cloud of cigarette smoke that infests the place.
Sodoma, Madahos, Hook, Solid Gold, and Playwoman all have assortments of girls. I hesitate to give ratings to the girls, because I have personally seen what some of you guys call "hotties." Yeech! :p But suffice it to say that in each of these clubs, there were at least 15 girls (as many as 60 in Madaho's, I think), and in each of those clubs, I thought there were at least one-third who turned Uncle Otto's crank. Prices ~ 150-200 pesos, always depending on how ugly, drunk, or desperate you are.
Comments on Hotels and Things to Do
Without a doubt, the best value for money when staying in a hotel is the Dazzler. Utilize Mayra's travel agent services to get a good rate (and in my case, getting a room even though the hotel was already fully booked). Apartments are definitely an attractive option for a longer stay.
If you go to BsAs, there are a multitude of things to do - don't shutter yourself inside your hotel room and order a never-ending supply of internet chicas, as you're missing out on a terrific city. Buy a guide book before you go, and take advantage of those opportunities.
Dining
Your Uncle Otto fancies himself an epicurean. Thus, the highlights of his trips to any destination are finding terrific restaurants for a nice dinner with a lovely companion. Simply stated, Buenos Aires is a meat-eaters paradise. But there are other options to be had, too! Some suggestions:
1800, 1665 Defensa, San Telmo, tel. 4307-2746. A terrific, old-fashioned BsAs parrilla, a meal with wine and several courses of half-orders of dishes came to a grand total of 28 pesos. I was astonished at how inexpensive it was for a restaurant where almost everything is home made, including the pasta and the limoncello.
Dashi, Fitz Roy 1613, Palermo Hollywood, tel. 4776-3500. An excellent Japanese restaurant with excellent sushi and other dishes. I've eaten here on each of my most recent trips and found it outstanding. Per person with wine ~ 60 pesos.
El Mirasol (3 locations, including Puerto Madero). I usually dine at the branch found at 1032 Posadas (intersection with 9th of July Avenue), Recova, 4326-7322. Modern parrilla, to be contrasted in decor and style with 1800, although excellent in its own right. Per person with wine ~ 60 pesos.
Next to El Mirasol on Posadas are two excellent restaurants called Piegari, (both under the same management) one of them is also a parrilla, the other an excellent Italian restaurant. I've eaten at both and also highly recommend them.
For a "splurge," try the Sofitel Hotel's new restaurant, called Le Sud. Arroyo 841, Retiro, tel. 4909-1454. Elegant and more expensive than the other restaurants listed here ~ 85-100 pesos a person for terrific French-inspired food in an elegant surrounding. Dress neatly please - no t-shirts or blue jeans. I really liked this place, and on a price versus quality measure, it's a bargain! A place like this in New York would run you US$200+ a person for dinner. They occasionally have "theme" nights, this Thursday, 24th April, there is a chamber-music concert accompanied with a prix fixe five-course dinner for about 160 pesos if memory serves correctly.
Daytime Haunts
Cafe Orleans is at the corner of San Martin and Cordoba. It is a coffee bar with girls available for take-out, ~ 150 pesos an hour. Assortment varies by the time you visit, but there are usually at least 6-10 girls there during the afternoon.
Another cafe with girls on the program is on the corner of Cordoba and 9th of July Street, I think it is called "Exedra" or something like that. Same rules as Orleans, but with fewer girls sitting around and giving me heavy eye contact on the afternoon I visited to have a Coca-Cola.
Colmegna Spa, 836 Sarmiento, Centro, is a BsAs institution. I shocked one of the massage girls when I was there last weekend when I told her "Just a massage, no special services.... ;) " 195 pesos for all-day in the gym (including massage), extra if you're wanting a pedicure, manicure, haircut, etc.... A manly men's hangout if there ever was one. Bring some a 10-20 peso bill to tip the attendant, plus something for the masseuse, especially if you're wanting those special services I passed on.
Questions always welcome!
See you again soon south of the equator,
-Uncle Otto
JustGotBack
04-22-03, 22:35
I need some advice. It's time to think about my next trip and I'm thinking about going to Rio instead of Buenos Aires. I've been to Buenos Aires more than a few times so I'm thinking about trying Rio. The thing is, my taste runs towards blond blue eyed tall slim girls. Can you find those in Rio? Are they common. They are a few in Buenos Aires, but I've found that most of the super hot ones were from Brazil. Maybe I've just answered my own question.
To those who have been to Rio and BA, which one would you choose?
Uncle Otto,
Thanks for the update. I've printed out your previous reports and will be taking them with me for handy reference.
I agree with you and Andres, sex is the spice of life, not the main course.
Thanks,
Guillermo
P.S. That Montecristo you were smoking at Black's, did you bring that with you, or did they have them available at the club?
Hello All!
My first night in BA, I hit most of the usual suspects. First off, to Jackson. Sorry I wasn’t able to get a hold of you last night, I think they have an F-ing block on my phone for cell phone numbers. I tried calling several times and would get some message in Spanish. The doorman said that the lines get busy during peak times and calls won’t go thru, but this was at 11:00pm. I will give you a call tonight from a pay phone.
Anyone who frequents the Recoleta clubs should consider renting this apartment in the future. It’s located directly across from Sodoma and is a 30 second walk to Madahos. I found it on AloArgentina.com, and did not realize it was so close to the action. It was 440US for one month plus 10% commission. Check out the photos of the place at their website. The apartment is located on Vincente Lopez. Look for the photos that has the two burgundy colored sofas. It’s a basic no frill’s apartment but the location kicks ass!
Sodomas was very slow but it was early. The girls didn’t look that impressive so I opted for a steak at Loco for Futbol instead. It's unbelievable how good the steaks are here in BA! Madahos was fairly happening . The girls were indeed beautiful and plentiful as stated in previous post. The music absolutely sucked so I left with this American I met in the shitter! We went to the infamous Blacks and it was very slow. They had about ½ the girls as Madahos, maybe 25. I thought the women were hotter at Madahos. After Blacks, I went to that little pub with working girls called Newports. It’s located across from the cemetery near Mcdonalds. It was well after 4:00am but there was still a dozen or so girls in the place with maybe 2 hotties. I proceded to get a lesson in BA economics from a working girl. This hot busty Russian looking girl quotes me a price of 100US. I laughed! She told me that this was bargain since a year ago it cost 300US. I said, I don’t give a fuck what the price was 1 day ago let alone 1 year, I will give you 100AR and not a dime more. This time she laughed! Back to Madahos, I again get quoted the gringo price of 100US. I almost took this busty Brazilian girl home with me. If I remember correctly (fairly wasted by this time) she would not come down to 50US which is my limit with any of these girls.
Oh, by the way, I almost forgot…I had Hot Steamy Sex with a girl from Solid Gold last night! They had about 40 women working. There weren’t as many stunners there as Madahos. However, I prefer this place over Madahos or Blacks because it’s a little more laid back. The only thing that sucked was the waitress constantly hounding me to buy a drink for the girls. I’m chilling with a beer and see a hot slender European looking chica shaking her thing. Chica Venga Venga!!! We start to talk. I give her my whole this my first night in BA and looking for one girl bullshit. She takes the bait and we hit it off. It’s getting late so I convince her to meet me after she finishs work. She agrees, and take the 1 minute journey to my apartment.
Once there, we go at it really hard and nasty. I’m poking and prodding her from all directions. I had her legs pinned back to her ears and was just pounding away. She was absolutely loving it! I tried for a little "Ass Play" but she wasn't up for that. It was nice to finally get a good BBBJ from a girl. I was in Lima for two weeks where it was damn near impossible to get, and the girls I banged didn’t know how to suck cock. She did! And she really enjoyed receiving oral as well. She was clean down south so I took care her and she came once while I was on my expedition! We f-d for a good two hours. This girl was very orgasmic and came 5 times! I thought I was in the free and clear without having to pay. As she was leaving she did ask for some money. Even though I need my beer money, I gave her 70pesos. She really took care of me and earned every one of those pesos.
I don’t know how much she would normally cost but I would highly recommend this girl to you guys. I don’t remember her name and can barely remember what she looked like. I will get her name tonight and post it later along with a good description of her. Very cool when 12 hours after banging a chick, you can still taste her!!!!
Late,
Judd
Hi folks!! anybody there that can help me? I have benn given a cell phone number beginning with "16" instead of the usual "15". Can anyone be so kind of finding out how to dial these "16 XXXX XXXX" numbers from the US? Thanks in advance
The women in Cafe Orleans are pretty skanky. A lot of them are drunk early in the day. I don't have high standards, to say the least, but I didn't see anything do-able in there and definitely not for 150 pesos. The best ones in there the two times I was in there alone were game for 90 pesos and I turned them down at that price. Another time I went there with a fellow monger and we had a decent cheap lunch but neither he nor I saw anything worth screwing. I personally would not characterize it as a coffee bar but rather as a full service restaurant; the lunch menu in particular is a good value.
Cafe Excedra is indeed another possibility for daytime action. It actually is on the corner of Co'rdoba and Carlos Pelligrini, not Nueve de Julio. That is perhaps a technicality because Carlos Pelligrini is a frontage road to Nueve de Julio. Carlos Pelligrini runs parallel to Nueve de Julio and is east of it (towards the harbor). The prices are higher here compared to Cafe Orleans, by which I mean the food and beverage prices are higher.
Also, I twice e-mailed Mayra/i re rooms at The Dazzler and on both occasions she quoted me higher prices (although not by much) than what was available on Travelocity. It is true that on one of these occasions two of the nights I wanted were listed as "sold out" on Travelocity but she said she could get me in there for a price that I didn't think was a good deal.
Argentina vs Brazil Where does a guy go who does not speak the lanuage go to have a good time. I am not looking for a girl friend but I am generous and like be around beutiful women, but also like to be able to spend a few weeks and see alot of hot bodies with out running out my savings.
Originally posted by daugface
Argentina vs Brazil Where does a guy go who does not speak the lanuage go to have a good time. I am not looking for a girl friend but I am generous and like be around beutiful women, but also like to be able to spend a few weeks and see alot of hot bodies with out running out my savings.
You really don't need to speak the language for you to have fun, it does help to meet/converse with people, but it's not that necessary. The guys I've met up in BA or Rio, and do not speak a word of spanish nor portuguese, have always defended themselves very well with chicas. Also, you'll find some a few locals that speak english fairly well
You'll definately find beautiful, friendly women in both countries but in IMHO, I find Brasilian women to be more passionate and humble than Argentinas. As for hot bodies, go to Rio and check the beaches.
MeGustaBoliches
04-23-03, 08:14
Also, I twice e-mailed Mayra/i re rooms at The Dazzler and on both occasions she quoted me higher prices (although not by much) than what was available on Travelocity. It is true that on one of these occasions two of the nights I wanted were listed as "sold out" on Travelocity but she said she could get me in there for a price that I didn't think was a good deal. [/i][/QUOTE]
With hotels as well as women, it pays to bargain. And you can't bargain effectively until you know the market.
Mayra often has the lowest price for hotels. Sometimes not. Before I leased an apartment, I checked Travelocity, Mayra and made direct contact with the hotel. I always checked Mayra last and told her the quotes from other sources. She usually beat the other prices.
Switching the subject, I have found the overall quality of both food and chicas to be much higher at Excedra than at Orleans recently....but the food costs more, and the chicas quote higher asking prices....again, know the market and bargain, for the chicas not the food.....please, don't overpay and contribute to inflation...
OttoGraham
04-23-03, 12:48
Originally posted by Guillermo
That Montecristo you were smoking at Black's, did you bring that with you, or did they have them available at the club?
They have a cigar girl at Black, but I found their prices to be overboard. I usually buy cigars from tobacconists, one that carries Montecristo #4s for about US$10 sits across the street from Affaire (which is on the same block as the Etoile Hotel), next door to a corner ice cream shop. Sorry, but I forget the name of the street.
Sometimes cigars are advertised as "Puros."
-Uncle Otto
I second the opinion of the much esteemed Dickhead regarding Cafe Orleans chicas (Why really bother with them unless you like the novelty of the set-up)
However--I have to dissent on DH's opionion about eating there (Although my qualm is not with the food but with the damn cigarette smoke.
The girls at Orleans chain smoke like French intellectuals at Cafe Les Deux Maggots.
Originally posted by daugface
Argentina vs Brazil Where does a guy go who does not speak the lanuage go to have a good time. I am not looking for a girl friend but I am generous and like be around beutiful women, but also like to be able to spend a few weeks and see alot of hot bodies with out running out my savings.
I am quoteing my self. I am bad. What I trying to ask is which countryd do I get the most bang for my buck. I heard you can have a almost perfect 10 for the night in Brazil or 100.00 . Is that true? What about Argentina?
OttoGraham
04-24-03, 01:46
Daug, if you are seriously concerned about paying bottom price for a fine piece of ass, why not just buy yourself a Penthouse and stay home? Total cost: $6.95. BsAs is not overly expensive, and it is a city that's at least as safe as the ones in the U.S. Rio, on the other hand, is a profoundly dangerous place. Thus I avoid it. As for price for an overnight with a "10," there are entirely too many variables for any of us to be able to tell you what's available. If you're the younger, uglier brother of Jabba the Hutt, for example, I can assure you that you'll pay far more than I do, since I'm the younger, better-looking brother of George Clooney.
As for some of the commentary below about the girls at Cafe Orleans, let me say that I don't like to paint with a broad brush the way those posters do. As I said in my recent review, though, what some of those posters call a "hottie," I would call my "granny." There is NO accounting for some people's tastes. My advice is, stop in, have a coffee, take a look-see at who's giving you the heavy eye-contact, and leave if you don't find something to your liking. It's only a buck for the coffee.
Some girls are better looking than others, in my judgment. Your judgment may vary. However, when there are 10 different women in a place. as is usually the case at Cafe Orleans, chances are that almost all posters on this board will find at least one that they find physically attractive. Whether you strike an acceptable financial deal or if you "click," is entirely up to the two of you.
-Uncle Otto
Originally posted by OttoGraham
Daug, if you are seriously concerned about paying bottom price for a fine piece of ass, why not just buy yourself a Penthouse and stay home? Total cost: $6.95. BsAs is not overly expensive, and it is a city that's at least as safe as the ones in the U.S. Rio, on the other hand, is a profoundly dangerous place. Thus I avoid it. As for price for an overnight with a "10," there are entirely too many variables for any of us to be able to tell you what's available. If you're the younger, uglier brother of Jabba the Hutt, for example, I can assure you that you'll pay far more than I do, since I'm the younger, better-looking brother of George Clooney.
As for some of the commentary below about the girls at Cafe Orleans, let me say that I don't like to paint with a broad brush the way those posters do. As I said in my recent review, though, what some of those posters call a "hottie," I would call my "granny." There is NO accounting for some people's tastes. My advice is, stop in, have a coffee, take a look-see at who's giving you the heavy eye-contact, and leave if you don't find something to your liking. It's only a buck for the coffee.
Some girls are better looking than others, in my judgment. Your judgment may vary. However, when there are 10 different women in a place. as is usually the case at Cafe Orleans, chances are that almost all posters on this board will find at least one that they find physically attractive. Whether you strike an acceptable financial deal or if you "click," is entirely up to the two of you.
-Uncle Otto
MeGustaBoliches
04-24-03, 07:01
gracias, Uncle Otto, for your update....
As much as I enjoy reading about chica haunts it is also nice to know where to go to eat or to enjoy a relaxing day at the spa....
I have eaten in many of the restaurants you recommend, and I second your endorsement.....A word about la Recova de Posadas: There are a number of fine restaurants tucked away in this cozy little nook. Ask 10 Portenos what they consider the nicest restaurant in town and 3 of them are likely to name Piegari...the one on the same side of the street as El Mirasol, not the other one.
Another fine restaurant in this area is Campo dei Fiori, which offers a sampler of tapas, wine and dessert for about the same price as the other restaurants in the area...more or less 50-60 pesos per person....
La Recova is within easy walking distance from Godfather's apartments on Libertad and Libertador....and is very near the Four Seasons Hotel....Speaking of the 4 Seasons, try the Sunday Brunch. Fantastico!
Again, thanks...it is nice to watch this board mature in the sense that more information is becoming available about things to do and see away from the Village of Recoleta and Puerto Madero and downtown....Palermo Viejo offers a plethora of restaurants and clubs, as does Las Canitas and Alto Palermo or several other parts of town....
It is interesting that a guy who knows his way around BA is a regular at Blacks, a club that usually appeals to fat cats on expense accounts visiting BA for the first time...ie, a tourist trap....but, hey, whatever floats your boat!
Keep those reports coming!
Hello All:
2 days after having some of the best sex in my life, I had some of the worst! Hooked up with Jackson for a little club scene action. Thanks again, for answering my rudimentary questions. Went to Hooks and they had some real hotties. They had about 40 girls with 15 stunners. Anyone have info on the young Puerto Rican working there with the incredible butt! It's pretty hard not to notice her since she's constantly shaking her ass all over the club! Her quoted price was 150pesos, gave her my number and left. Went next door to Cattos. Not much going there as far as chicas but many dudes.
If you get a chance to hang with Jackson and want a sure thing, then it’s best to go with his recommendations. These are girls that have his personal stamp of approval. He lets you know which ones they are as you tour the clubs. I didn't, and subsequently got shitty service.
Alright, so after Cattos we head to a place called Affaire. I like this place because it’s a little more grungy in there and not so much tweed! I immediately spot a huge butt on this petite body. I’m done! Her name is Rosanna. We play grab ass for a few minutes and agree on 150pesos for one hour. I can already detect that this might be a mistake because she doesn’t let me stick my tongue down her throat. However, I have to see this butt, and have serious Wood! We get to my place and the sex is crap. I can tell she’s not into it. She couldn’t take it hard, did not let me take her bra off, and gave me CBJ. The one positive from this session with Rosanna...when she was on top riding me, as her hips were coming up, her butt was heading down! I flip her over to do her doggie and it’s was like f-ing two pillows. These two factors were worth the price of admission for a butt man like me. However, I couldn’t shoot my load because I was starting to lose interest. So I resorted to breaking out the Vaseline lotion and had her get on her knees so I could jerk off to her massive round ass. It worked, my load hit the wall and within seconds she was in the bano. NO GFE here and not recommended. Good riddance Rosanna and hit the gym!
On a brighter note, I went back to Solid Gold last night to meet up with my incredible lay from Monday night. As previously reported, I was drunk and couldn’t remember her name. Her club name is Rosario. She was very happy to see me and ask me to take her out Saturday night? Absolutely!! She looks very European with the straight black hair, bangs cut short in the front, and fair skin. She’s thin 5’7 but is still curvaceous. It’s kinda funny because there is about 4 girls at this club that look like her. If your not sure which one she is, she has a banded tattoo around her left arm. This girl has so much more to offer than the the others that I’ve met. She’s very attentive, interested in what you have to say, and ask questions. As I learn more about the club scene, the girls who don’t possess these qualities, should be a red flag that will lead you down the road to shitty sex! Anyways, if you happen to meet her and she gives you the same attention as I, then you can expect some good GFE!
Jackson, thanks again for spending some time with me and look forward hanging out with you again!
Late,
Judd
Uncle Otto,
Nicely said.
Moondog
Just booked a last minute flight down to BA and I will arrive Monday morning for 9 days. As of this moment I will be flying solo. Since it is my 3rd trip back I know the lay of the land but I am interested in getting together with anyone else who may be in town during the same time frame. That certainly includes Jackson to whom I have not yet met but certainly owe a debt of gratitude since this board prompted my first visit last year.
Also grateful for Ottos restaurant reviews and would appreciate any and all suggestions as to the best restaurants in town. While the women are fantastic they are only a contributing piece of the BA experience.
I know its late, and I probably will have to book a place today, but if anyone knows of a truly luxury apt. for rent the info would be most appreciated.
Probably the best restaurant in BA is "La Bourgogne" in Hotel Alvear. This is a world class restaurant with food and service quality to match the leading spots in the world, - at a fraction of the price.
Morena is cozy, authentic and romantic.
Try "Estancia" for lunch. It is a historic landmark, replete with open fire pits on either side of the entrance. Bring a healthy appetite, the servings of meat are gargantuan.
Cabana las Lilas in Puerto Madero is another classic.
I also like Happening in Palermo, near the river.
Make sure you order local wine to exploit the current currency value.
You will eat well wherever you go. Send a report...
Uncle Otto,
I find it somewhat difficult to understand your recommendation pertaining to Cafe Orleans. I have for the most part agreed with your recommendations regarding resturants and I have partially agreed with your recommendation of Blacks and other well known bars. Obviously, some hobbyist enjoy the finer things in life and don't mind paying for them, however, Cafe Orleans is not, IMHO, worth mentioning as a location to find attractive women. And although I agree with you that we should not generalize, I feel rather secure in stating that most of the women in this place will not be found attractive by the majority of the fellow hobbyist that read this board. Thus, I would recommend to anyone that it would be preferable to visit the spa, a favorite resturant, spend time with your favorite chica, or go sight seeing before visiting Cafe Orleans unless your into quantity and not quality. Have fun shagging but do it with stlye. Yeah Baby!
Re Cafe Orleans: I saw some women there I would fuck if I were drunk and they didn't have cigarettes hanging out of their mouths, but I wasn't and they did.
It's a pretty safe bet that if I, Dickhead, wouldn't fuck 'em, you wouldn't either.
And I wasn't really recommending it as a destination restaurant, either. When I ate lunch there, cigarette smoke wasn't a factor because it wasn't crowded, the hookers were seated by the window, and we sat in the interior by the bar so there wasn't anyone smoking within say fifty feet of us. The ventilation in there seemed good.
With all the apartment brothels that are available during the day, I'd have to agree that Cafe Orleans is a mere curiosity.
Hysteromania
04-25-03, 16:07
Well then, it sounds pretty clear- avoid Cafe *****-leans.
There is such a variety and good stuff around BA that you should not have to go to a dive bar in broad daylight.
As people said, during the day hit the Internet girls or better yet, the apartment girls or spas. The first is hit or miss while the other two you can see what you are getting into beforehand. Nothing like sending away a pissed off girl who know has your room number! Only take back that special chica to your room otherwise.
Hysteromania
04-25-03, 16:09
I don´t get it, how can a word like Whoreleans get censored out just now when separated into two words? Isn´t have the idea of this board about freedom of thinking and all?!?
Such words are prohibited by Jackson on the grounds they denigrate women. Also slu& and b%tch. I agree with this.
JamesBond69
04-25-03, 17:21
Originally posted by Dickhead
Such words are prohibited by Jackson on the grounds they denigrate women. Also slu& and b%tch. I agree with this.
Then why not prohibit the word Dickhead, since it denigrates men:-)
Hysteromania
04-25-03, 18:15
Touche
I guess it only seemed ironic as we can get around the rule by placing other letters I guess. Also makes it harder to search when you are looking for @ss. ;)
OttoGraham
04-25-03, 18:36
Hmmm..... A guy who trolls for streetwalkers and hangs out in the visitors room of prisons is too good to stop into a Orleans Cafe because the women are too ugly or they smoke cigarettes. WOW! Wonders never cease! Bet he'll next be giving us recommendations as to which Buenos Aires parish to go to mass at.
As I've said, there's no accounting for taste. One reason I think Internet chicas aren't the way to go is that you've no way to know what you're going to get, based on a photo posted on an internet. If you meet somebody face-to-face, your chances of being disappointed are much less, I think. And as for streetwalkers, well, if you have a death wish, be my guest. The only reason a girl is a streetwalker in Buenos Aires is because she's not allowed by the management to work out of a club, apartment, or restaurant.
BTW I never recommended the food at Orleans Cafe, other than a tapa which I've been given when ordering a coffee, I've never eaten there.
A much better recommendation for lunch in the same area is Patagonia which is a small restaurant in the food court of Galeria Pacifico. They have excellent luncheon plates as well as local micro-brewed beer.
BTW Beach Boy, thanks for the tip on the restaurant at the Alvear Palace, I shall have to try it next trip. I agree with you that Cabana Las Lilas is a first-class parrilla, too.
-Uncle Otto
Actually, I am nicknamed Dickhead (that isn't just a name I made up for this board, believe it or not) because due to an injury, there is a large lump on my shoulder that looks the head of a dick, that is very noticeable when I am wearing a t-shirt or something similar (and of course even more so if I am NOT wearing a t-shirt). Most of my friends call me that although it is often just shortened to Dick. When I worked for the post office some b@tches complained about people calling me that when it wasn't my name and the bosses tried to stop it but couldn't. It's not as pronounced now since I had shoulder surgery but the nickname remains.
Sorry for the off-topic post.
HappyGoLucky
04-25-03, 20:52
[QUOTE]Originally posted by OttoGraham
[i]Hmmm..... A guy who trolls for streetwalkers and hangs out in the visitors room of prisons is too good to stop into a Orleans Cafe because the women are too ugly or they smoke cigarettes.
For what it's worth guys, I DID find a girl at Orleans that is quite attractive (as my bud MarcoMan can attest), though I will admit there are often many less attractive. But then I find that to be the case at most if not all the clubs I frequent since I generally only find one or two that really make me Happygolucky!
There is another restaurant similar to Cafe Orleans where one can sometimes find lovely ladies in waiting; it is on the corner of Nueve de Julio and Cordoba, about 4 or 5 blocks down from Cafe Orleans (the name is something like "Excedrin")- perhaps Otto knows the correct name. We have been there a couple times for lunch and have seen some lovely chicas; however, we have yet to visit at night so I do not know what the p.m. action can be like.
Thanks for the restaurant info. Otto; we are epicureans in training!!
Always,
Happy
The other cafe is named Excedra.
Jackson
Originally posted by OttoGraham
The only reason a girl is a streetwalker in Buenos Aires is because she's not allowed by the management to work out of a club, apartment, or restaurant.
That statement is just flat ridiculous. Many prefer not to share their earnings with anyone. The rest of your post misquotes me as usual but if I respond further, Jackson probably will censor me again so I will just let the readers judge for themselves.
Originally posted by OttoGraham
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One reason I think Internet chicas aren't the way to go is that you've no way to know what you're going to get, based on a photo posted on an internet. If you meet somebody face-to-face, your chances of being disappointed are much less, I think.
I would tend to disagree. I have no experience with the clubs in BA... yet, but, if you go back and read the posts on this board, you will find numerous reports of guys who picked up a "hottie" in one of the clubs and brought her back to his hotel/apt., only to find that she looked 5 years older and 10 Kg heavier under the lights. The simple fact that a chica is sitting next to you doesn't necessarily mean you can see what she looks like.
The only advantage of the clubs is that you have an opportunity to guage the quality of a chica's personality, which, is at least as important as her looks.
And even then, as many of the mongers have testified, a chica's attitude can change dramatically once she's out of the club environment.
Club vs. internet, it's a crap shoot either way. Unless your fellow mongers have blazed a trail for you.
Guillermo
JustGotBack
04-26-03, 01:44
Originally posted by Guillermo
I would tend to disagree. I have no experience with the clubs in BA... yet, but, if you go back and read the posts on this board, you will find numerous reports of guys who picked up a "hottie" in
Guillermo
I'll agree with part of this. It's true that the girls look better in the club. It's kind of dark. Almost every girl that I've taken out has not looked as hot when the lights are on. But don't we all. The first time I get a good look is generally when we are riding up in the elevator.
Many of the internet girls I've had looked much worse in person. While they are definitely the same girls as in the pictures. Those pictures must have been taken many years and fewer pounds ago. This isn't always the case. There was this one girl who looked much better in person than in her pictures. She really needs to get a better photographer.
Uncle Otto,
I am surprised to learn that as a confessed "foodie" Buenos Aires best and most exclusive dining establishment has escaped your radar.
Simply put, the menu and presentation at "La Bourgogne" rivals that of 5 star restaurants in New York and Paris. The service is impeccable, the atmosphere elegant and decidedly upscale. As an added bonus, its bakery features a store front next door, so you can bring a box of desserts back to the hotel one afternoon.
I recommend that you make reservations beforehand. It makes a difference that they are expecting you, even if it is not full that night. You will be greeted at the door likely by a beautiful and elegant hostess or the MaitreD. Everyone speaks English, among other languages. Dress for the occasion, and please be sure to tell your date likewise. This is NOT a jeans or spandex type of place. Cocktail dress or skirt and high heels is more appropriate.
The servings are small and inspired by the Nouvelle Cuisine Francaise. This means you can sample a few appetizers with champagne, move to the main course and finish with the most heavenly desserts without leaving you feeling bloated. (Their ice cream is made on the premises daily, and it is the best I have tasted anywhere in the world. And believe me, I have been almost anywhere.) The wine list is like a local phone book, but as always Mendoza offers extraordinary quality and value. A bottle of vintage Catena Angelica Zapata is under 100 pesos.
Bon appetit!
JackDaniels
04-26-03, 12:24
On the subject of food and drink - there is a really smart bar called Gran Bar Danzon on Libertador just off Santa Fe. This is a really smart bar full of beautiful people (no providers here). Excellent wine, great sushi and the nest spring rolls I have had anywhere.
A couple of glasses of wine, sushi and spring rolls should not be more than about 60 pesos.
Anyone else been there ?
Cheers.
Just got in BA. Rented an appartment corner of Vincente Lopez and Junin, in the heart of it all, next to Madahos, Affaire, Newport, etc.
Used www.bytargentina.com. Very efficient and smooth.
Appartment is small, clean and cheap indeed. USD 22 a day !
Chicas beware!! Life is good!!
Hey slick1,
There are a few of us in town (I just arrived this morning) or about to be for the following 10 days. Should be meeting all very soon.
Drop me a line at b69pat@hotmail.com and we can hook up.
MeGustaBoliches
04-26-03, 16:45
jackdaniels....the bar sounds interesting....but I am confused about the location. Do you mean Libertad near Santa Fe, as opposed to Libertador near Santa Fe?
Beachboy....could you provide contact info/addresses for the restaurants you mention along with a cost estimate for dinner for two? I know where the Alvear Palace is located, but I am not sure about some of the other restaurants you mention.
JackDaniels
04-26-03, 17:25
Originally posted by MeGustaBoliches
jackdaniels....the bar sounds interesting....but I am confused about the location. Do you mean Libertad near Santa Fe, as opposed to Libertador near Santa Fe?
Beachboy....could you provide contact info/addresses for the restaurants you mention along with a cost estimate for dinner for two? I know where the Alvear Palace is located, but I am not sure about some of the other restaurants you mention.
MeGustaBoliches
Its on Libertad, just moments away off Sante Fe. It is not on street level but up a flight of stairs. Not easy to see the entrance ! Enjoy !
Cheers.
HappyGoLucky
04-26-03, 17:37
COOL RESTAURANT PICKS
An abridged list of unique, distinctive, and definitely cool eateries which will leave you HAPPY:
"Bar 6"
Armenia 1676, Palermo
(at Honduras)
"Concepto"
Bonpland 1670, Palermo
"Menesunda"
Thames 1776, Palermo Viejo
(at Costa Rica)
"El Club de Vino"
Jose Cabrera 4737, Palermo Viejo
(at Armenia)
"Milion"
Parana 1048, Micro Center
(at Alvear)
(Hola Jackson! Roxana mentioned you had some eye trouble this week. I hope your eyes are feeling better; the views here often take one's breath away.... Let us know where you'll be from time to time and we'll try and catch up to you! Happy et al.)
Ferolga777
04-26-03, 17:46
Orleans Cafe
I think that, if there's time to kill, scoping out the scene at Orleans is all right.
I went, saw a few reasonably attractive women. They had fairly good bodies, good hairdos, fashionable outfits, and, most of them pushing, or being pushed by, forty.
I had never been in such a setup. I was feeling very nervous. What if I was wrong and this wasn't a pay for play joint?
I invited one to my table, she had a great haircut, and while talking to her I realized that she had the most disgusting yellow buildup [is that tartar?] on certain areas of her teeth.
I asked her how much. She quoted me 200 pesos for one hour. I thanked her and split.
I saw other guys chatting with ladies and leaving with them.
So, go for the setup and maybe you'll luck out.
Hey Ferolga777,
Got a question for you. The girls in Orleans are pushing forty or so and your comment about the teeth is not unusual, most of the women I saw in there, as I originally noted in one of my 1st reports, have disgusting teeths, so why would anyone pay for this experience? Is this some new type of fetish? Pay for something that you could probably get for free if you strike up a descent conversation with an elderly woman at any bar in the world. Killing time, come on now, there are so many other ways to kill time in B.A. which are much better. Respect your elders, shagg the young and the living!
OttoGraham
04-27-03, 15:06
YeahBaby, I'm normally very careful not to over-generalize when describing girls. It's would be plain silly for me to say that most of the women in Orleans Cafe are pushing forty, or that they all have bad teeth, or that they are all stone hotties.
Mind you, I have no interest, financial or otherwise, in this place. But I don't understand the absolutist attacks this place is taking from some posters, unless the reason is that they want to discourage other posters from visiting because they want the place to themselves. Do I like all the girls in this place? Hell, no! But neither do I like all the ones I see when I visit Black!
In the middle of the day, you don't have a whole lot of other public options to find some fun as a visiting monger, other than this place; thus I recommend visiting to posters - what (or who) you end up doing and how much you pay is entirely up to you; you needn't feel obliged to pick anybody should you not find one you like. Certainly you're in a better position to pre-judge the quality of your companion in the broad daylight of a cafe, than you would be in calling up a Clarin newspaper ad, or looking at airbrushed photos posted on the internet.
When doing the rounds of clubs with me a long time ago, Jackson said something very wise: "I don't need a place filled with hotties that I like, I have to find a place with one hottie that I like." (Depending on your stamina, you might want to substitute "two hotties" for "one hottie" in that last statement! ;) )
-Uncle Otto
Some time ago I mentioned that I was going to cross-reference the Clarin phone numbers with the ones from escorts baires dot com. I did in fact do this (March 13 issue of Clarin), but there were no matches. Oh well, it was worth a shot.
JamesBond69
04-27-03, 16:22
Originally posted by OttoGraham
YeahBaby, I'm normally very careful not to over-generalize when describing girls. It's would be plain silly for me to say that most of the women in Orleans Cafe are pushing forty, or that they all have bad teeth, or that they are all stone hotties.
;) )
-Uncle Otto
I visited Cafe Orleans three times and one time I found one I liked. The Jackson theory holds...you only need one (or two).
I recommend Mongers to check it out, if only just for the experience. I can't imagine there is anything like this anywhere else - a brightly lite coffee shop with all these women sitting around sipping coffee....it's interesting.
MeGustaBoliches
04-28-03, 07:39
Originally posted by jamesbond69
I visited Cafe Orleans three times and one time I found one I liked. The Jackson theory holds...you only need one (or two).
I recommend Mongers to check it out, if only just for the experience. I can't imagine there is anything like this anywhere else - a brightly lite coffee shop with all these women sitting around sipping coffee....it's interesting.
ah, but there is something like Orleans elsewhere in BA---Cafe Excedra is a brightly lit coffee shop with women sittling around sipping coffee....at the corner of Cordoba & Carlos Pelligrini/9de Julio.....Not as many women, but better quality IMO....both are worth a look, for the reasons JamesBond mentions....a unique experience....coffee shop hookers.....where in the USA could you find such a place, other than maybe a truck stop...
Being more of a Montreal monger, I just discovered the BA part of the WSG forum a few days ago and I have to say I'm really tempted to take the plunge. I'm hoping that a few of the more experienced mongers can help me out with a few questions:
1. I'm an American Chinese, kinda look Japanese; would I stand out in BA especially in the clubs & be seen as an easy mark? Also, would the girls feel comfortable spending time with a Chinese? Hope I'm not being paranoid here. BTW, I don't speak Spanish but will be working on that soon.
2. Apart from the club girls, I would also like to meet highly-educated, billingual escorts, hoping for a BA version of Montreal's Emma (http://communities.msn.com/emmasfantasyworld)
but at much lower rates, could someone kindly make recommendations or at least point me in the right direction?
Originally posted by MeGustaBoliches
ah, but there is something like Orleans elsewhere in BA---Cafe Excedra is a brightly lit coffee shop with women sittling around sipping coffee....at the corner of Cordoba & Carlos Pelligrini/9de Julio.....Not as many women, but better quality IMO....both are worth a look, for the reasons JamesBond mentions....a unique experience....coffee shop hookers.....where in the USA could you find such a place, other than maybe a truck stop...
Many locals commented that Exedra hosts several Platynum girls. In fact, crossing the 9 de Julio Av in diagonal from Exedra, there is the famous building of the Roustique shopping gallery, where tens of girls have apartments.
Local guys aren't prone to attend often that "confitería" (trendy coffee shop) because they risk to be seen in such a busy corner. You, guys, don't have that problem in BA...
As a side comment, for daylight action you can visit Affaire at Pueyredon Av. It opens at 3PM and runs a shift until 10PM or so, where the night crowd takes duty.
Hope this helps,
Andres
OttoGraham
04-28-03, 13:55
Trekker, I have met visiting Asian-American mongers, and have seen plenty of Asian-Asians in clubs, etc.... Nobody seemed to have any problems connected to their ethnicity. I think it's mostly a non-issue for you.
-Uncle Otto
Trekker,
Agree with Otto. Your being an Asian will be a non-issue. I have travelled throughout Latin America (North and South) and this will not be a problem at all. Also, for a while, in Brazil having an Asian boyfriend was very much the in thing, I know because one of my best friends is from Taiwan and he had a Brazilian girlfriend and she passed on the info. to me. There are plenty of Brazilian girls in B.A. Also, remember that the woman are basically looking for guys that treat them right and can pay the cover charge, of course they may try to charge you more but just let them know you know the going rate and you shouldn't have any problem. If you want a highly educated woman that is bi-lingual call Roxana and ask her to set you up with the blond that is noted on the chica recommendation page on this site(www.argentinaprivate.com). Have fun Shagging.
Ok, here goes. After a relaxed Saturday in company of Roxana (highly recommended indeed) and Maestro Jackson, b69 took it slow and went to bed early to prepare himself for the immersion in this mongering capital.
Sunday night: gathering at lobby of Etoile with Judd, Dashing Don and Jackson himself.
Small tour of Madaho and Playwomen. Both places were quiet, but there definitely were hotties.
After some serious ogling and severe temptation at Madaho, went to Playwomen. Ended up with Celeste. 23years old. Big natural tits. Very friendly and sweet. Was with me for 2 hours. We had two "sessions" including long and very good BBBJ, good kissing and anal. An excellent time. Agreed for Peso 300 for two hours for all this.
I took her phone number and may repeat !!!
Life is good (to quote The Saint).
Round 2 tonight.
JackDaniels
04-28-03, 19:33
Originally posted by Yeah Baby
Trekker,
Agree with Otto. Your being an Asian will be a non-issue. I have travelled throughout Latin America (North and South) and this will not be a problem at all. Also, for a while, in Brazil having an Asian boyfriend was very much the in thing, I know because one of my best friends is from Taiwan and he had a Brazilian girlfriend and she passed on the info. to me. There are plenty of Brazilian girls in B.A. Also, remember that the woman are basically looking for guys that treat them right and can pay the cover charge, of course they may try to charge you more but just let them know you know the going rate and you shouldn't have any problem. If you want a highly educated woman that is bi-lingual call Roxana and ask her to set you up with the blond that is noted on the chica recommendation page on this site(www.argentinaprivate.com). Have fun Shagging.
Yeah Baby
There is only 1 girl(Libia) on this site ??
Hello everybody,
I'm new in the forum, I know it is everything already in the messages but being difficult to browse the all forum I would like to ask you some advice.
Thanks in advance
Will spend few days in ba and I'm interested to know if anybody has some good tip on BRASILIAN BLAC GIRLS (some of them are in the escort web services but with different names and same photos so I don't understand)
And also interested in STREET ACTION, any good place to go walking?
Thanks in advance and great forum!!!!
You're right, Silvina (the blonde) is gone.
Hmm.... wonder what happened to her?
Dashing Don
04-29-03, 15:31
Arrived in BA on Sunday and already there are stories to tell.
For those of you who haven´t visited BA, it is a beautiful city to visit, in and of itself. It is laid out on a grid system for the most part and has long, broad tree-lined streets with fabulous architecture and liberal use of marble throughout. Throw in the steak houses on every block and the sidewalk cafes, well, lets say that a monger will get all the protein he needs to complete his rounds. Another noticeable thing about the city is the constant eye contact with the young females while walking on the street or wherever. Whether this is latin curiosity or friendliness or a combination of both, I´m not sure, but it is very welcome. As you know, we don´t do that in the US.
I am staying at the Etoile, AKA Monger Central. This hotel is in the heart of the Recoleta area which has most of the clubs, and indeed, they are a short few blocks away. It is advertised as a five-star hotel. Its not. It´s a little frayed around the edges but it serves as a meeting-up point for the guys and serves its purpose.
So its 9pm on Sunday and I´m supposed to meet up with b69 and Judd. What unfolds is the hilarious scene of complete strangers approaching each other in the lobby of the hotel and tentatively asking each other questions like ´´are you Dashing Don; I´m b69 etc. After successfully introducing ourselves we sit down and talk Monger stuff. A word about the fellow players as I met Rob Roy and Slick1 on Monday night: they are a well-travelled and knowledgeable bunch who are a lot of fun. Given the subject matter, there were many laughs.
At about 9:30pm, Jackson arrives. Because he doesn´t post and mostly is like the chief of police on this board, I didn´t know what to expect. Let´s say this. He´s no shrinking violet. That is to say, he´s voluble and energetic, outspoken and gregarious. A lot of fun. Don´t hesitate to call him if you are in town. Plus, he has an encyclopaedic knowledge of the scene here. In many ways, he is at the center of it all.
As of Sunday and Monday nights, I have only been to Madahos. Additionally, I availed of the services of Libia of argentinaprivate.com. Roxana arranged this for Sunday afternoon and it was solid GFE, kissing, BBBJ although not to completion.
There are lots of beautiful girls in Madahos. Unlike Thailand, Philippines etc, it is customary to have the girl for only an hour or two, not all night, unless it is negotiated. But perhaps this would be prohibitively expensive.
On Sunday night, I was eyeing this stunner with jet black hair and eyes and a very friendly demeanor. Jackson told me that this was Patricia of chocolate syrup fame, ala MRLA. I mentioned this to her and she was genuinely amazed/shocked that I knew about this. When I explained that she was famous and that hundreds of mongers were buying chocolate syrup in anticipation of a trip to be with her in BA, she was amused but also slightly alarmed. I took her back to the hotel and I must say that this girl has the magic touch. Unlike other girls where it has to be explained to them, ¨¨dont pull it like that, you´re gonna break it¨¨and suchlike, Patricia knows how to turn a man on. She smiles a lot, kisses a lot, is eager to please and most of all: she´s into it. She genuinely likes men.
On Monday night, I pulled Georgina, a Peruvian, out of Madahos. I told her in advance that I wanted a BBBJ, all the way. She said ok. I didn´t discuss money. This girl has the same look as Patricia, black hair and eyes--my weakness. And a beautiful slim body. About 5´4´´.
We begin. We´re lying on the bed french kissing, when she suddenly demands to get paid. It goes like this:
G: I get paid before
DD: I never pay before
G: I´ts customary here
DD: No its not
G: Yes it is
DD: Look, when did any American guy ever not pay you
G: Never, but I still want the money now
DD: I don´t do that. You´re gonna have to leave
G: You can ask my friend (xyz)
DD: The fact that you want the money now probably means that
you give bad service. I want you to leave now.
G: No no no, mi amor :)
And so she proceeded to give great head. She warned me not to let it happen in her mouth, but I gave her a taste anyway. It ended amicably and I handed her 150. She wanted 200. I paid it without a fight. I didn´t care. The sex was great despite the distractions. And tomorrow is another day in BA.
Don
OttoGraham
04-29-03, 16:20
DashingDon,
Great report! Please do share your further experiences!
One note though, I think it is pretty much the general view that the trixies should NOT be told about the site. The less they know about such things, the better.
By the way, I met Patricia at Madaho's too; though I can't say I "know" her. She seemed like a firecracker.
-Uncle Otto
And so it goes another mongering night!!
Yesterday another one of those meetings described by Dashing Don. Monger gathering at Etoile with Dashing Don. This time joined by Rob Roy and Slick1. With a cameo appearance by Jackson later on to act as spiritual leader, telling us which girls in Madaho had his stamp of approval / quality control et al.
A pure Madaho night with no other place visited. This time the place was rocking. Aprox 100 girls and 50 guys. Lots of hotties. Love those tight pants and Hawaian bikinis !!
Very hard to make a decision with so many girls making eye contact, wiggling their asses, parading in front of us vying for ur attention. What is clear is that many of the hottest ones were slowly but surely being taken as they were disappearing from the place. Thus, I believe I should have ran my selection process a bit earlier.
Went with a 27 year old Argentine (with a kid). She said about 80% of the girls in Madaho had a kid.
Her nom de guerre is Yanina. Pretty face. Body was so so (I expected better tits), softening around the edges, probably from giving birth.
She was very sweet and friendly. Agreed for Peso 200 for 90 minutes (though in the end she stayed a bit more than 2 hours.) The sex was good (had negoticated for her complete attention, meaning kissing, BBBJ and anal) but not great. Did not get to the anal part (she was not keen on it anyways).
Conclusion: though I had a good time with a friendly chica with a positive attitude, I probably would not repeat. My Sunday experience with Celeste (see previous post) was definitely more memorable.
Round 3 tonight !
B69,
Thanks for the report.
Was Yanina a pretty blonde with her name tatooed above the tail bone across her backside? Actually it reads Vanina with a V. Just curious as I have some unfinished business.. This one said she was 23 and looked it. Also with a kid...., but it is common as you said.
Hope to be down there soon.
BB
MeGustaBoliches
04-29-03, 17:37
Dashing Don..
You da man! Most guys would have paid the girl in advance without a whimper! Every time one of us pays in advance or more than the scale it hurts us all since early and high payments will be expected of all dumb yanqis in the future.....
HappyGoLucky
04-29-03, 21:58
Originally posted by Dashing Don
On Monday night, I pulled Georgina, a Peruvian, out of Madahos. I told her in advance that I wanted a BBBJ, all the way. She said ok. I didn´t discuss money. This girl has the same look as Patricia, black hair and eyes--my weakness. And a beautiful slim body. About 5´4´´.
We begin. We´re lying on the bed french kissing, when she suddenly demands to get paid. It goes like this:
G: I get paid before
DD: I never pay before
G: I´ts customary here
DD: No its not.Hey Dashing Don!
As a side note, here in BA I have never been asked for money before sex and I always discuss money before leaving a club. I too was there Monday night and spoke briefly with Jackson; the selection of ladies was amazing. It seemed to thin out around 12:30, but by 2:30 several new ladies appeared who were even more beautiful and voluptuous than any I had seen earlier in the night; it made me sorry about the deal I had just made with a cute little hottie but the sex turned out to be fantabulous!!
Monger on men!
NEVER PAY FIRST. it's a bad precident and a bad omen. Stick to your guns, and if necessary, take her back to the club, explain to the manager what she tried to do and why you didn't pay her, and then get yourself a nice chica.
Jackson
Dashing Don & B69,
The reports a shagadelic. Lot of shagging going on, I'm jealous. I've had to post pone my original trip but will arrive soon. As for my previous report pertaining to the chica recommendations on this site, Libia also speaks fluent english and is a total GFE. As for Silvania, she had a boyfriend in Argentina and I'm speculating but he probably asked her to quit, too bad, she was a groovy chic. Have fun shagging!
Originally posted by Trekker
Being more of a Montreal monger, I just discovered the BA part of the WSG forum a few days ago and I have to say I'm really tempted to take the plunge. I'm hoping that a few of the more experienced mongers can help me out with a few questions:
1. I'm an American Chinese, kinda look Japanese; would I stand out in BA especially in the clubs & be seen as an easy mark? Also, would the girls feel comfortable spending time with a Chinese? Hope I'm not being paranoid here. BTW, I don't speak Spanish but will be working on that soon.
2. Apart from the club girls, I would also like to meet highly-educated, billingual escorts, hoping for a BA version of Montreal's Emma (http://communities.msn.com/emmasfantasyworld)
but at much lower rates, could someone kindly make recommendations or at least point me in the right direction?
Trekker, rest assured that your being Asian won't be the least bit of a drawback in BA, I guarantee you. A few years ago I kept in contact with a stunner from Mendoza that I met in Playwoman while in BA on business. The stunner was regularly flying to the states to be with another of her amigos from the Midwest who was a little, tiny Japanese- American. For a while they were practically inseparable except of course when she wasn't flying around to be with her other amigos like me! And I did actually fly her into the states for an unforgettable week of great sex, dinners, movies, beaches, museums, more great sex, more great sex. What matters is that you have a pulse, you're male with some means and that you're a nice guy and naturally that you don't mis-treat them. My girl from Mendoza never would have tolerated being mis-treated since she simply had so many offers and opportunities from decent gents all around the USA, South America and Europe.
So in conclusion, I wouldn't give the Asian thing a second thought and I'd put it out of your mind as fast as you can say "Madahos por favor." DownBA
Originally posted by Dashing Don
On Monday night, I pulled Georgina, a Peruvian, out of Madahos. I told her in advance that I wanted a BBBJ, all the way. She said ok. I didn´t discuss money. This girl has the same look as Patricia, black hair and eyes--my weakness. And a beautiful slim body. About 5´4´´.
We begin. We´re lying on the bed french kissing, when she suddenly demands to get paid. It goes like this:
G: I get paid before
DD: I never pay before
G: I´ts customary here
DD: No its not
G: Yes it is
DD: Look, when did any American guy ever not pay you
G: Never, but I still want the money now
DD: I don´t do that. You´re gonna have to leave
I had this Georgina girl twice while in BA, and she tried to pull this crap on me *both* times. All I did was show her the money, and stuffed it back in my pocket. She is a bit of a money grubber, which is a shame, because other than that she's got a really great attitude, and is a lot of fun. Only girl I did twice in three weeks, mostly because of that fun / playful attitude of hers. Put her in front of a camera or mirror, and watch her go! She's # 48 at http://escorts-argentina.com/
Later
Chop
I know her also. I tried to negotiate her out of Madahos late one Sunday night a couple of months ago. I offered her $150 AR, but she insisted on $200 AR, in spite of the fact that it was 3 am and the place was dead. After a few minutes of conversation, I concluded that she was fraught with potential attitude problems and moved on to better things. Danny Boy was in the club at the time, and after seeing me walk away, asked me what happened, upon which he (with his fluent Spanish) approached her and asked her why she turned down my offer, pointing out to her that is was a slow night. Her response "I know him, and he can afford to pay more."
Jackson
Yeah... the first time I took her, I was staying in a pretty big apartment. She looked around and said she should have charged me more. Too late!. too bad...now get to work.
hehehe...
HappyGoLucky
04-30-03, 18:33
SPANISH LANGUAGE SCHOOL
Anyone interested in picking up a little Español should check out I.L.E.E., (Insituto de Lengua Española para Extranjeros) near the corner of Callao and Corrientes. My monger bud and I have been taking classes for 3 weeks and have learned a great deal which can be quite useful in selecting chicas and negotiations. The school will tailor a program of any length with either individual or group classes. We have had private classes for 3 hours a day and have found the teachers there to be fantastic.
Monger on Men!
HappyGoLucky
04-30-03, 18:38
QUOTE BY JACKSON:
I know her also. I tried to negotiate her out of Madahos late one Sunday night a couple of months ago. I offered her $150 AR, but she insisted on $200 AR, in spite of the fact that it was 3 am and the place was dead. After a few minutes of conversation, I concluded that she was fraught with potential attitude problems and moved on to better things. Danny Boy was in the club at the time, and after seeing me walk away, asked me what happened, upon which he (with his fluent Spanish) approached her and asked her why she turned down my offer, pointing out to her that is was a slow night. Her response "I know him, and he can afford to pay more."
Jackson
You are invaluable Jackson; your reality checks are beyond par excellence!
-Happy!!!
HappyGoLucky
05-01-03, 14:38
Gentlemen,
In Madahos last night, I picked up a lovely young 26 year old blonde from Brazil who went by the name of "Emily". She had a killer body, about 5'4", slim, large breasts, well dressed, a total package. While sitting casually at the bar watching one of the dancers overhead, Emily appeared from nowhere and landed practically in my lap. After a little flirting and negotiating, Emily changed her outfit and we headed back to my apartment in Palermo (one of the doormen at Madahos refuses to let me take a taxi and always drives me and my chica home from Madahos; his name is Juan Carlos and he is really cool!!) Anyway, once back in the apartment we headed for the bedroom and Emily undressed revealing a figure even better than I imagined. Sliding into bed she began with a BBBJ which was quite skillful afterwhich we got into some serious f**king until I discovered something quite unexpected; Emily has an anxiety disorder. She slipped into a full blown panic attack which made her breathing quite difficult and labored. Because of my profession, I have some experience talking folks down from such attacks and was able to help Emily regain some equilibrium. However it is not an experience I recommend nor care to encounter without warning. Hence I am writing this post. If you meet Emily in Madahos and become enchanted with her as I did, you are forewarned. The business these girls practice takes its toll on them in myriad ways which can sometimes manifest itself unexpectedly.
Happygolucky,
Sorry dude, I thought I briefed you about Emily. I've known her for several months, and she's basically a nut case. If she doesn't take the correct combination of pills every day, she comes unglued. I'll spare you my personal history with her, but suffice to say that I try to keep her at arms length. Saint also had some bad experiences with her wherein she became obsessed with him, including continuously trying to find him at his apartment here in BA, calling him several times a day, and sending a constant stream of emails. Of course, the thing about Emily is that she does have a great body and loves CIM.
She's got problems, but they've got nothing to do with her employment. In fact, I suspect that the money she earns working is probably the only thing that keeps her off of the street.
Jackson
Dashing Don
05-01-03, 15:14
This is the first of probably several reports regarding Jackson´s first Clarin Day, which was held yesterday (Wednesday) in Captains Dave and Tom´s four-bedroom apartment in Recoleta. The purpose was to get as many girls from the personal services ads in the Clarin newspaper to come over to the apartment, wherein 7 mongers lay in waiting. At a cost of 50 pesos per hour per girl, a monger could afford to pass or close on any deal he chose.
Upon entering the apartment, there was a large table with lots of food and where Jackson sat with his computer. The cost for each guy was 300 pesos (about $105) which included food, drink etc. The girls were to be photographed and their vital statistics entered into the computer. The idea, I believe, was to put the pics and info on a disc to be distributed to the guys. Roxanna was in one of the bedrooms making the calls to the girls and setting things up.
When I arrived at 2pm, the first batch of three girls had arrived.
One was wearing a mini skirt and boots and caught my attention immediately. After briefly greeting the guys, I retired to one of the bedrooms with the mini-skirted one for a spirited session. When I returned to the living room I was sternly admonished by Jackson for this breach of Monger Protocol. The girls were to be photographed FIRST, and then dessert.
Throughout the day, girls would arrive in batches, until about 8 or 9pm, by which time, about 20 or 22 girls had come and gone. b69 was keeping track of the time because it was by the hour. Roxana was making the calls. Judd, Slick1 were also there. It was my first time to meet Roxy and she is as nice as they say. She was simultaneously efficient in calling the girls, giving them directions, answering callbacks and when the girls arrived, making them feel comfortable. This was essential as it turned out that all the girls worked at casas where normally, they take incalls. So, to get them to come to us required their feeling comfortable and safe. Roxanna put them at ease.
Later that night, I debated the quality of the girls with Jackson. He believed that the club girls were SEVERAL notches above the Clarin girls. I´m not so sure. The club girls are at least ONE notch above for sure and there were a few Clarin girls that were overweight. But there were other factors. One is that the club girls dress very provocatively while the Clarin girls arrive in street clothes. If the Clarin girls were to dress the same way, the playing field would be more level. Another is that the girls were on our territory. We could choose yay or nay without being hustled for a ladies drink. Everything was relaxed. There were so many women, everyone was sure to get what he liked. The guys were sitting around talking and laughing among ourselves and with the girls, who, if not busy in one of the bedrooms, sat with us.
The girls came and went in batches of three and four all afternoon and everyone had great fun taking photos and deciding which to sample and general kidding around. Because every half hour or hour, there was a new batch coming, there was a great sense of expectation. And then came Valentina!!
This one was a Clarin gem. 21y/o, no kids, a university student, slim, petite, 5ft 3ins approx with beautiful brown eyes. I was immediately attracted to her. She refused to be photographed but was enthusiastic in bed. This was better sex than all the dream girls in the clubs, probably because I like her look so much. I privately arranged a session with her on Friday.
At the end, Jackson called a debriefing session. We all agreed that it was a great success and a lot of laughs and to do it again soon. There are many more details but I'm tired from writing.
Don
Hey guys,
For Beach Boy: No this Yanina was not blond at all ! Dark hair (morocha as they say here).
Now, I have two mongering days to narrate. So first Tuesday.
Afternoon roaming around downtown with Slick1.
Went to Cafe Exedra. About 15 girls. We just did some window shopping. Most were above 30s and not all that good looking, but there was a couple of girls worth it. Lots of guys just sipping coffee pretending not to notice all these very attentive women.
Close to Plaza San Martin, on Florida Street, we were approached by a flyer distributing girl, rather cute and young, who wanted to take us to a place called Le Piaf, a "piano bar" with attractive chicas according to her. Tried a Dickhead number on her and started chatting her up, saying we would probably be more interested in her. Did not insist too much but I believe she was seriously considering it. She said we should come back later and she would spend some time with us there.
Looking for Cutty Sark and being lost, we were approched by a 35 year old blond approx, looking very good indeed who offered helping us. She knew perfectly where Cutty Sark was (which is rather significant). I think she was making a move on us as she was overly friendly. We were polite but had to steer away as we knew of the amazing potential of this town.
And boy, did that turn out to be true!!!
Got to Cutty Sark. Sipped a drink. There were few girls. Approx 10. Place was very quiet. Both Slick1 and I quickly were attracted to this brunette with a good bod and amazing smile. We chatted her up during quite a while and invited her to come to diner with us, which she accepted. We agreed on Peso 400 from 10 pm till 5am, sex included of course (but with only one of us, as she rapidly tried to ascertain).
This girl was amazingly friendly and sweet. She is 28 with a kid, but looks 24. From Uruguay. Her name is Alejandra Andrea.
Her natural charm and friendliness definitely impacted us and Slick1 and I had to go through some serious negotiations on whom should pluck that flower.
In the end, she was my date as Slick1 had one in reserve in his backpocket (which was also one hell of a looker; boy is he slick!!!). We had a romantic diner and all this time she was cuddling, kissing me (like boyfriend/girlfriend), holding my hand, etc.
After diner had a drink with her in a bar. Went to my apartment. Massage, cuddles, etc. And sex (of course, I never loose track of the important aspects of life). The sex was rather plain though she did give a pretty good BJ. Bareback at first, and then covered.
Conclusion: a lovable girl, very attractive, great person, etc. Sex was regular though. Won´t repeat but had a great night, thanks in part to Slick1 who had a pretty good feeling (and accurante) on this girl.
That is it for Tuesday. Soon to post: the First Clarin Mongering Exepriment, which Dashing Don has started describing.
Life is good.
Now that Tuesday is taken care off, time for Wednesday.
The event you have been hearing about: the First Monger Clarin Girls Convention.
The Gathering: It took place in a big appartment with many rooms. One of those on Perera street, for those who have seen the web site for these.
Roll Call: Master Jackson, Judd, Slick1, Captain Dave, Tom with no username yet, Dashing Don, and yours truly, b69.
Coordinator: Roxana
Purpose: to conduct a scientific study of the quality of the Clarin girls, calling randomly phone numbers, and hoping to locate some young gems, amateurs who just need some bucks for month end. To sum up- young college girls. Knowing that Monger John Guapo back in December had described that he had obtained some good results and some very decent girls.
We had 19 girls in batches of 3 at a time. At 40 peso an hour each. Plus 10 peso taxi. As Dashing Don mentioned, all these proceeded from houses with Madams handling the all thing. Quite a few girls from Paraguay. 2 from Uruguay, 1 from Brasil, the rest Argentine. Most with kids. Some were OK. Some were not, scary in fact as we had requested young and well shaped girls and we got some who were looking like buffalos and with more mileage than Indiana Jones.
I agree with Don that the cutest one is the one he went with (the second one actually, 21 yrs, no kid). One of the biggest issues of debate was whether Dashing Don should be renamed the Flash or Eat My Dust, or something of the sort as he would barely let us take a look at the girls and off he went with them. :-)
There was another looker of Portuguese and Syrian descent. She was impressive. She basically requested to do Slick1 and she gave him the ride of his life. Argentine Champagne was used in new ways Slick1 had never thought of. He came out of the room after more than an hour, the life sweating out of him and redder than a tomato.
Judd was very active himself though at one point, one of girls coerced him into performing /providing pleasure to her and forced him to go for seconds. We were hearing the banging on the door and thought everything was going smooth, and pleasure was being provided while in reality he was trying with despair to attact our attention to request our assistance (that is the help of the available mongers, the ones who were not at that time conducting oral and in depth exams of the Clarin girls...). And Judds girl would not let him escape. We were finally able to liberate him using a cunning plan...
Newsflash - Monger nearly raped in BA
That is it. I hope to have conveyed the gist of the experiment. My comments ought to complement the ones of Dashing Don.
This event will be repeated in the future according to Jackson. All in all it was an hysterical experience full of good laughs, and it is regrettable that we did not have any hidden cameras, as this would have one hell of a funny movie.
Life is good.
JamesBond69
05-01-03, 21:03
Life is good. [/i]
Re: Clarin Research Project
Jeez. Is it! It doesn't get any better than this.
I wish I was in Buenos Aires right now, not New York City. You are all lucky devils.
Keep up the research.
Jackson, Captain Dave, Roxana....you're all TOO MUCH! What a great idea you came up with but where and when can we see the pics snapped at the inaugural Clarin girl showcase? Also, when are you going to do the inaugural la Nacion girl showcase? Damn, why couldn't I be in BA this week!?! Thanks for the great reports all of you. DownBA
Hi guys,
After months of reading comments posted on the WSG, had a chance to take advantage of some of the recommendations so here I go with my feedback. In addition I'll reciprocate with good hints on Spain and Italy in the respective sections of the forum.
BA is indeed a Paradise, I sampled the variety providers (clarin girls, web escorts and clubs, not yet street girls) and may share the following:
Best value for money are the internet ladies, what you see is what you get and the price is never a surpirse (of course, assuming pictures are not fake, but with escortbaires aka platinum it hasn't happened to me so far).
I tried a few girl reviewed before, including sweet and caring Fer from Paraguay who deserves my best rating. Julieta, referred to elsewhere with reference to the apartment her photo was being taken - is nice but a notch below what her fantastic pictures promise.
Althpugh I agree with general marks given to Madaho and Playwoman, I won't hit any club in my next trip as hassle and bargaining, plus club fee and drinks, make the experience quite expensive without really adding to the quality (indeed, many girks are the same as on the web).
SUGGESTION: couldn´t we build a table with internet girl names, to summarize whenever a WSG member has shared insight on a specific lady?
I'll write a couple annotations more when I have time, bye for now. Hope to catch up with some of you guys in person at the end of June.
Snark.Hunter
05-02-03, 20:24
Wow, guys, this sounds amazing. Am I wrong in planning to go to Lima in August? Kind of seems to be way off the action, compared to this amazing (obviously) city....
snark
Boy, I sure think so. I've been to Lima. Food didn't impress me, lousy transit "system" if you even want to call it that, more dangerous than BA, more polluted than BA, lousy airport ... Perú is the Third World and Argentina, although the economy has been very bad for several years while Perú's is improving, is not the Third World. I had fun in Lima but I would not ever go back (unless someone else is paying .... ). When I was there, it was a lot cheaper than BA but it's not any more. Plus IIRC you need yellow fever vaccination to go there, another drawback.
Then the final thing is Peruvian beer is the worst (overall) I have ever experienced, especially "Cristal." Pisco is pretty nasty too.
JustGotBack
05-03-03, 03:44
Sorry dude, I thought I briefed you about Emily. I've known her for several months, and she's basically a nut case. If she doesn't take the correct combination of pills every day, she comes unglued. I'll spare you my personal history with her, but suffice to say that I try to keep her at arms length. Saint also had some bad experiences with her wherein she became obsessed with him, including continuously trying to find him at his apartment here in BA, calling him several times a day, and sending a constant stream of emails. Of course, the thing about Emily is that she does have a great body and loves CIM.
She's got problems, but they've got nothing to do with her employment. In fact, I suspect that the money she earns working is probably the only thing that keeps her off of the street.
JacksonI'll agree with everything you guys say about Emily. I've known her for well over a year and she definitely has some psychological problems. It definitely has nothing to do with her line of work. I knew her when she first got to BA from Brazil and if anything, she's more sane than ever. She plays the role of jealous and angry working girl to me. Every trip, I get at least get one "fuck you" from her after she see's me with someone else in one of the clubs. I don't feel angry at her though, I just feel sorry for her.
Having said that, she is one of the better looking girls you'll see in BA. I would save her for last though. If you don't she'll kind of stalk you until you leave.
Snark,
If you go please post a detailed report as to how Argentina stacks up against Germany. I know that you post every once in a while in the Germany section. The BA section always seems very impressive, and all the guys seem to have a good time, but for guys who are into petite girls with Ballet Dancer bodies, the web sites seem to have nothing. I worry that it is a place full of Fat-Assed Latina's like J-Lo. some people call it curvaceous, I call it fat. Snark, go and make a comparison.
Peter
OttoGraham
05-03-03, 12:22
Originally posted by peter
Snark,
The BA section always seems very impressive, and all the guys seem to have a good time, but for guys who are into petite girls with Ballet Dancer bodies, the web sites seem to have nothing.
I've seen plenty of this type in Buenos Aires. 'Nuff said.
-Uncle Otto
I've been to Germany too and I think there is a higher proportion of overweight women there than there are in Buenos Aires. The BA girls are mostly of European stock and don't have the Mexican/mestizo/J Lo type build. I mean, there's a few fatties there but plenty of slender ones. What you don't really see in BA (IMO, YEMV) is a lot of big tits, unless they're fake. Fine with me.
Hey amigos. I haven't posted in a while. I just read the last few posts. I totally agree about the girl you are talking about. You gotta be VERY careful with this girl. I was always nice to her because I felt sorry for her like many of you.
Jackson is 100% correct about her. She did in fact stalk me. She followed me around BA for days. I didn't want anymore sessions with her and she would still come over to my apartment several times. Even after returning to the USA she emailed me about 3-4 times a day and would call me EVERY SINGLE day. That is no exaggeration. Up until 2 weeks ago she was still calling me when I had to be rude and tell her to never contact me again and that I had a serious girlfriend now.
She is a good person with a good heart but she has severe emotional and personal problems. I probably know more about her personal life than anyone out there. It's NOT a pretty story. Having a session with her is one thing but getting involved in any type of friendship is probably dangerous for your health. Interestingly enough her sister and friend called me the other day with some surprising news about her.
My advice with her and other girls like her is to be careful. It's not pretty when girls stalk you no matter what country they are in. I have saved all the emails I got over the past year and it would scare a lot of dudes.
I hope everyone is doing well and staying safe. Good luck.
Saint
P.S. NEVER NEVER NEVER mention this site or any other internet site to any of the girls. Don't even talk about reading them on the internet. Once some jackass in BA was telling some of the girls about stuff he read on the board and the girl asked me about it. This is part of the reason I don't post on public boards anymore.
Snark.Hunter
05-04-03, 06:59
Originally posted by Dickhead
I've been to Germany too and I think there is a higher proportion of overweight women there than there are in Buenos Aires. The BA girls are mostly of European stock and don't have the Mexican/mestizo/J Lo type build. I mean, there's a few fatties there but plenty of slender ones. What you don't really see in BA (IMO, YEMV) is a lot of big tits, unless they're fake. Fine with me.
... with me as well... I don´t go for the bigtitted ones. In Germany, for on exception I never went with a german girl, and was mostly lucky to find a suitable girl. Thinking of iot, they were mostly latinas or Thai/Asian, anyway. The most beautiful and GFE-type girl was one in the vicinity of Salzburg, in the great Babylon, Walsergasse.
I was a regular with a more "relleno"-type for a while, due to the fact she was able to read my thoughts giving everything form prostrate-massage to BBBJ/CIM/swallow to anal without me even asking for it. It just got too expensive after a while :-)
But that describes the quality I am looking for quite well, some girl really trying to please that is willing to experiment with me, and her doing all the work.
I am such a lazy bummer, shame on me.
Anyway, maybe I switch to BA instead of Lima. Promise: Wherever I will go, I´ll do a comparison here (or the appropriate section)....
El snarko
Dashing Don
05-05-03, 02:53
Just got back from BA and I want to relate what a fun week I had there. The girls were very sweet, by and large; the food was great; the city is beautiful and the portenos are a friendly lot. Most of all, I enjoyed the camaraderie of the fellow mongers who I met there, including, of course, Jackson.
Mongering worldwide is a great hobby and I enjoy it tremendously. However, doing it with a bunch of guys enhances the experience for me severalfold, what with the swapping of stories, kidding around and general fun. It becomes a shared experience. As the hobby requires some financial wherewithal and freedom, a combination that few have, most guys can only dream of making a monger trip. Out of all the people I know personally, only two friends can hobby, but due to scheduling problems and other difficulties, we may hook for a trip up only once a year. This ain't nearly often enough for me.
So I have to thank Jackson who makes it possible through WSG for us to post our intention of visiting someplace and then being able to meet up with fellow mongers there. Monger on.
Don
Ethan Wiking
05-05-03, 10:28
Hey amigos!
I am a new member who will arrive on Thursday Morning in BA.
Roxane is just to arrange my first attempt!
Certainly looking forward to that!
Is anybody in town who is interested to join me?
I am not American; I am from good old Europe!
My Email is Ethan_Hunt@gmx.com.
UH OHHH ! Emily from Brazil you say. I don´t know why the name didn´t ring a bell this morning when I took her out of Madahos. It was a good session and Jackson is right that she does enjoy CIM,but I think I´ll be watching over my shoulder the rest of the day. She really does have the timid shy girl act down pat. I did get a touch of the psycho side after the sex but not too bad.
By the way Jackson it truly was a pleasure taking one for the team at Nuevo the other night with the fluorescent orange bikini clad Gabriella. Absolutely stunning girl from Mendoza who is studying ballet. Great flexibility. I will be trying Roxanna in several minutes to try to set up a session with B69´s little friend Leila. Nuevo really does have some stunning girls but I am not a fan of the on premises sessions. I do recommend that if you do go request to be sent to either of the motels across the street. While you pay 35 pesos more, the rooms and amenities are actually quite nice. Also don´t make the asumption that there will be a taxi waiting for you outside. Have them call one for you. Several of us found out the hard way.
I echo Dashing Dons sentiments entirely about the great group of guys I have met on this trip. Glad to see DD made it back safely. I hope the same for B69 who truly was a great new freind and whose translation skills were invaluable. As a communication liability I hope I was not a great burden. Can´t express enough thanks to Jackson as well. Remember to email me when you come over to the west coast of Fla.. I do promise to write up the complete unabridged Clarin Report when I get back to my home PC. As the unofficial cabinet secretary I do feel it is my duty. By the way guys, the fact I had to write my notes on the back of Capt. Daves Platynum ads did cost me my relationship with a beautiful non pro yesterday. Unfortunately she got back to the bedroom first and saw the ads sitting prominently on the nightstand with an extra condom from the night before. Oh well, Que sera sera.
I just wanted to add my thanks to all the new friends in BA. Jackson, of course, b69, Slick1, and Dashing Don. Really, the classiest bunch of mongers I´ve had the pleasure to meet. The whole trip was great, even being there when Slick1s "girlfriend" knocked over the champagne was fun. (though expensive). I agree with Slick1 about Nuevo Estillo--it was good to see it, but I probably wouldn´t go again. The difficulty in getting a taxi back was really worrisome. Anyway, my last night ended up with a Cuban (a personal first) from Mahados that turned out very nicely. Back to the old USA this evening and thanks to all.
Have a safe trip back Tman. It was great meeting you and your friend whose handle I cant remember. Between my portuguese syrian that loved champagne in her most private areas and my japoñese paraguayan that tumbled over the champagne setup with B69, I truly have gained an appreciation for the Argentinian bubbly. I did take the Paraguayan for another bottle at club Hippopotamous before she got us thrown out for her extremely provocative behaviour.
As an aside, although I have not yet posted on the Clarin Report, Jackson will affirm that the Port Syrian was quite stunning. With the right management [ jackson} she could easily rival the top talent in any of the clubs. She was about 21, 5´10 and an exotic sexy look. The odd thing was that even though the sex was only 40 pesos, she wanted 200 for photographs. I´m pretty sure jackson has a clothed one however and Roxanna has the tel. number. Vivianna was her name.
I guess its just me tonight. I feel so lonely without my new found friends. Oh well, I´ll survive since Roxanna has set me up on a TLÑ with a stunning blonde. I miss this place already and I´m still here for one more day.
Hello everyone.
I now have left BA and got home fine. Darn, I was missing BA 2 days before I even left !! So you can imagine how I feel now.
I will of course say that I met some excellent guys down there and had lots of fun overall.
Back where we left off:
Wednesday evening. After the First Clarin Monger Convention, all the participants met at the American Monger Association HQ, the Etoile hotel of course. We were joined by Boogie Nights.
Went to Estilo Nuevo Boliche, also called Confiteria (instead of Boliche), which basically means a place to dance, though literal translation of Confiteria is Candy Store ! I love the irony.
- Where were you last night, dear?
- At the candy store my love.
Although Estilo Nuevo has a smaller number of Chicas (approx 25) than the Recoleta Clubs, the average quality is very high and many could easily be models or actresses anywhere. I kid you not. Many definitely deserved some attention. And then we had the famous lesbian show with Antonella on stage (a John Guapo recomendation) with another stunning blonde.
I went with Leila whom I had been with in December once. As beautiful and angelic as ever, and even better in terms of sexual prowesses. Agreed for Peso 200 for an hour. Went to hotel next door. Impeccable room at Peso 35 for two hours. This girl is hot; as you may have come to realize she also tickled Slick1, Judd, and Boogey Nights´ fancy.
I ended up being with Leila for about 90 mins at Peso 250.
When I came back, no monger was left. I later found out that Judd had been slapped after manhandling a great ass and could not remember whether he had left of his own volition or had been "asked to leave". Slick1 also had a good time that time with another chica.
As was mentioned, getting a taxi back can take a little while, but eventually there is always one available after a little wait.
More to follow.
Thursday.
It was a national holliday (Labour day). So the city was rather quiet during the day.
As well as in the evening.
Hooked up in Etoile with Dashing Don, Tman777 and Jackson.
First stop in Downtown: Hooks.
Place was tranquil. About 25 girls. Few were particularly eye catchers. Being a holliday, many chicas chose not to come. Met a cute Dominican, whom Judd had road tested with good recommendations.
Left the place. Tried Cattos. Was closed. Went to Cutty Sark, was practically empty.
So we headed back to Recoleta area. Stopped in Affaire. There was a few good looking ones. Approx 30 girls. In battle we lost Dashing Don to a very cute half Turkish half Italian girl.
Then we proceeded to Newport which was packed with guys. There were a couple of good looking girls but they were busy.
So off we went to Madahos. Place was also quieter but there was a good selection. In the end went for a 19 year old, called Monica, who had just started in this business. I was her 3rd client in all, and her 4th guy !!! She was so sweet and nice (again, another one). Bronze colored skin, skin was so soft; it was a pleasure to caress her. I melted and off we went, at the usual Peso 200 for 90 mins. BBBJ, DFK and for a long time, no anal (she still has not tried it yet and though I labored to convince her, it was to no avail), massage, etc. Sex was good though not great. She stayed for about 2 hours as well.
Once again a very good experience with another very sweet and friendly girl.
More to follow.
Regarding Emily, Jackson told me to stay away although she did give great head.
I actually saw her every night I went to Madahos. She would stare at me for a long time. Was it because she had seen me with Jackson, or for any other reason I do not know. I never got to speak to her.
I was tempted to go with her since she is pretty good looking indeed, and a great BBBJ is always tempting. I even thought of doing her the last night to avoid the stalking, but the last night was devoted to Estilo Nuevo and Leila.
More on that soon.
I can see judging from the quality of the posts that BA is the place to be, however I do have a few questions for all you experts.
1) What about 3 or even 4somes ?? I don't see much info on that. Do the girls enjoy it much ?? because no matter how much you pay them, if their not into it- it's not going to be much fun.
2) Has any of these chica's been to the States ? I ask this only because some sites claim the girls have foreigh visa for those who are willing to pay the big bucks.
Thanks,
DownUnder
Sorry guys where is Estilo Nuevo?Seems to be a good place.
Thanks
Nuevo Estilo
La Pampa 687
(1428) Capital Federal
4784-1248
Jackson
Some, although certainly not most, of the chicas have visas. If you go to escortsbaires.com, you will see that some of them advertise that they have visas for the US, and some of them are actually in the US at any given time. One of the non-internet gals I met down there, Corina, had just gotten back from the US when I met her and she is getting ready to go to Tucson with someone in a week or two.
But don't "pay big bucks" and screw it up for the rest of us, please.
#1 is not really my thing but you can certainly get both the gals from the lesbian show at Nuevo Estilo for a reasonable price like my friend Hyseromania did the night we were there. I think he posted how much it cost. They are hot.
Thanks for the info- Dickhead.
I have no intention of paying the "big bucks". The aim of my question #2 was really to see if it could more cost effective to the bring the girl here rather then going there. If somebody has done the math on it please let me know.
The cost of plane ticket would be the same either way and you don't have to pay for a hotel room. Assuming the girl stays with me and I don't have to eat out all the time like I would if I went down there myself- this could be very convient.
I would be very surprised if it ends up being cheaper, because:
1). The girl will want enough money per day to pay her babysitter and whatnot (and they have a lot of whatnot); it'd be like paying for TLN (toda la noche) plus TED (todo el día) every day, including the two days she's in transit, and she will arrive tired and want to sleep rather than fuck, most likely.
2). It is cheap to eat out in BA and expensive in the US and unless you are a talented cook like I am :<) she will expect that.
3). You can stay at the Dazzler for the cost of dinner for two in the US and really you'd probably spend much more for dinner if you go anyplace halfway nice and have wine, tip 15%, etc. And you'd get free breakfast for two at the Dazzler (if you register for a double which has typically been the same price as a single).
4). It is not necessarily true that BA-US round trip will be the same as US-BA round trip. As an example, I checked a random mid-week day on one carrier's website and it was $140 more to go BA-US than US-BA. Travelocity showed it to be slightly more too (although not much). I'm sure it could go the other way at times, of course, and that's just from my city. YEMV.
5). She will want money up front for pocket money for the trip and she might burn you. What if she takes the ticket (even if it's an e-ticket) and then ditches you?
6). Other forms of entertainment besides dining will be way more expensive in the US.
7). What if you don't hit it off once she gets to the US? Hard to trade her in.
8). BA is much more fun than the US.
9). This is a bad idea, IMO.
while i agree with almost all dickhead says,
i've found eze/mia/eze to be much cheaper than the reverse mia/eze/mia.
last fall, when booking my xmas travel mia/eze/mia, i was getting fares in the $500-$2,400 range, and i accidently did the reverse eze/mia/eze and found $280 fares!... and they were available many days. haven't looked recently tho...
Step one-Accomodations (my first post):
I've rented two different apartments to cover my two week stay in Buenos Aires. A one-bedroom in La Recoleta for US$150/week and another one-bedroom in Palermo for US$120/week. I rented both the apartments from BytArgentina.com. There are many apartments available. Reservations by credit card, but payment in cash US$ is required when you arrive at the apartment, plus a refundable security deposit equal to your rent. Search for apartments at this URL:
http://www.bytargentina.com/re/apartments.php
More reports to follow.
Hysteromania
05-07-03, 15:15
True, bad idea to fly her up. No reason for her to see where you live and all plus more expensive. Would seem reasonable if you could not get away from work or had long term plans. Ha! Besides, isn´t it always more fun to monger somewhere else?
Lastly, why would we want to possibly let her be "americanized" if she talks to other girls and they feed with notions of feminism, demanding more, head games and using sex as manipulation, etc. :(
Originally posted by downunder
I can see judging from the quality of the posts that BA is the place to be, however I do have a few questions for all you experts.
1) What about 3 or even 4somes ?? I don't see much info on that. Do the girls enjoy it much ?? because no matter how much you pay them, if their not into it- it's not going to be much fun.
2) Has any of these chica's been to the States ? I ask this only because some sites claim the girls have foreigh visa for those who are willing to pay the big bucks.
Thanks,
DownUnder
If this helps any, in the summer of 2001 I flew a girl into the states for 5 days that I was totally smitten with who I'd met about a half-year earlier in Playwoman, put her up in a hotel and payed her $1000.00 US in addition to the following: airfare, approx. $600, hotel approx $125.00 per day plus all the entertainment, dinners, museums, movies, etc. on me. I'm not a man of great means but sometimes I take the time-honored approach of "carpe diem", "you only live once" and any other addage you want to apply here and I'm happy I did it in this case.
I didn't have any doubt the girl would show in my case since we'd been exchanging emails and speaking on the phone once in a while so there was an element of trust involved though I seem to remember reading in a post here a long time ago about some unfortunate dude that paid for the airfare and on the day the girl was supposed to fly she called up and announced that she'd had a better offer elsewhere and simply wasn't coming.
In my case I screwed my brains out and had fantastic companionship for a week with a girl that I'll never forget for the rest of my life with a face, body and bed technique that I thought were to die for (OMFG!!!). If I could do it again with the same chica I would since the experience was that great (including WOMEN stopping this Mendoza beauty at one point and telling her that she was gorgeous like a little china doll and touching her face, all the while the Mendoza beauty telling me that in Argentina this type of thing NEVER happens, but then, we know what kind of competition she has at home!!!). I've lost contact with her, which would normally bring me to another converstion altogether about not getting too serious with these chicas, but I'm not going to digress into that at this time; I'll only say that having learned from the school of hard knocks, I wholeheartedly endorse Ricardo of Platynum.com.ar fame's time-honored rule of never exceeding three dates with these chicas. DownBA
The finishing touches.
Left over are Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
On Friday, another one of those gathering. Many mongers united and attacked various clubs. Starting with Affaire, which had an Ok selection. Then went to Blacks, just for the sake of it. Very crowded and hard to see girls. Though many were fine looking, I could not say that the selection was any better than Madahos or Estilo Nuevo.
Then went to the latest place in Recoleta to open: Ciceron. The place is spacious, well set-up. Not may girls and quite frankly not much to choose from. Though this could be due to it being knew. The place has potential. We did have a problem when it came to pay the bill, as we were charged twice for some drinks. That was definitely not pleasant. Adding to the confusion was Slick1´s girl from Affaire, an impressive Blonde from Paraguay, with a great bod. She drank too much. Champagne ended up on the floor.
Went to Madaho to finish. Went with Carolina. 23 year old Dominican. Very friendly and chatty. Short and perky. Great little body (nice tits). DFK. Mainly covered BJ. At usual price of Peso 200 for 90 mins. Had an excellent time with her. Would love to repeat.
Saturday: A repeat at Estilo Nuevo, with wonderful looking girls, great lesbian show. And once again went with Leila. My last night in BA !!! and was sorely tempted in Estilo Nuevo seeing so many tremendous girls.
Sunday: Rest and relax.
Though I am presently caught smack dab in the middle of the post BA blues, it is time for me to fulfill my obligation to file the unabridged CLARIN REPORT. As the unanimously appointed cabinet secretary for the experiment my duty to report must be fulfilled. I wish I could have prepared and filed our findings contemporaneously with the event, but I have limited typing ability and muchos problemas with the Argentinian keyboard.
THE CLARIN REPORT
It was with great anticipation and minimal trepidation that seven senior members of Jacksons Cabinet convened with the express intent to answer the one eternal lingering question that has plagued BA mongerers for almost months now. " Can good sex be had in BA for a mere 40 pesos" ( approx. 13 dollars).
And so it was that on April 30th 2003 a joint European/ American/Argentinian group of loyal scientists was assembled in an attempt to answer this inquiry for both future travellers and their own personal satisfaction alike.
The research facility was the Recoleta apartment of our host men of science, Capt. Dave and Major Thom. It was with their gracious hospitality and generous nature that the project moved forward expeditiously and within a 4 bedroom environment conducive to such a sensitive project.
At approximately 1300 hours on a damp chilly day in BA our work began. With 6 senior commitee members on hand and the lovely Roxanna feverishly scanning the Clarin ads, the initial order of business was to ante up 300 pesos each to establish the financial resources to fund this most important project. With the birth of the International Mongering Money Fund (I.M.M.F) our attentions turned towards creating strict Quality Control protocols to insure future success of the hobby. It was the commitees intent that no chica would leave unhappy. Whether popular or not, every participant in the study would receive her stated asking price along with 10 pesos for cab fare. The 40 peso price was per person, and per hour. Any commitee member responsible for keeping a girl beyond her alloted hour was duly obligated to the I.M.M.F for the extra 40p.
In addition to promulgating strict Quality Control it later became apparent that the rules were in place so that we each would have something to violate down the road. No serious breachs of conduct occurred and the project as one helluva male bonding experience.
After the initial joint session, Major Thom proceeded to bring out plate after plate of unrecognizable luncheon meats, funky looking cheeses, and candy coated fruit rinds. It was at that time that the IMMF made its first cash outlay to procure some real food. All those in favor say aye. Unanimous. Major Thom, though your chica appealing buffet choices were suspect at best, your heart was in the right place and your hosting, good nature and hospitality were without equal.
In between calls by Roxanna, B69 ordered a variety of pastas for delivery. With the start of festivities quickly approaching the living room began to look more like we expected Donald Rumsfield to come thru the door to brief us on the war in Iraq. Tripods, cameras, laptops etc... . Quickly another rule was established so the girls would not be frightened to death upon arrival. One camera, One tripod and a CD copy for all at the end of the day. All those in favor, Aye. Unanimous.
At that same instant yours truly was elected to the position of Cabinet Secretary responsible for a strict recordation of this most sensitive data. With no paper and a drying up pen I did not know how I would fulfill my role, but I was not daunted by the task. Much to the chagrin of Capt. Dave, whose objection was noted for the record, I used the powers vested in my position to confiscate his well organized book of Platynum ads so that I could use the back of the paper to memorialize our work. This move, while so necessary at the time, ultimately cost me a wonderful relationship with a beautiful non pro. How quickly she was to dismiss both me and our project when she found the Platynum ads in my hotel bedroom next to the condom on the nightstand. Remember well my fellow travellers to never trust the maid to adequately prepare your room for future guests.
Since my typing is slow and I would hate like hell to accidentally erase what has already been typed I will post this now.
CLARIN REPORT to be continued...
THE CLARIN REPORT continued...
With Roxanna briefing us intermittently on her progress, it quickly became apparent that many of the Clarin ads were legitimate prices, but for incall only. Many of the girls lived so far away , it would cost us more in cab fare than it would for sex. Much to her credit, Roxy persisted and focused intently upon finding us our needed subjects within the 10 peso taxi fare perimeter.
Observation #1
If you are not well versed in the Spanish language you will require the services of a skilled interpretor and negotiator like Roxanna to achieve sucess thru Clarin.
At approximately 2:45 the doorbell rang. Capt. Dave called for silence and buzzed in our subjects. By the way we did provide the building doorman with a sizable tip to simply look the other way. With everyone tucking themselves in and scrambling for their combs and breath mints we could hear the elevator kick in to gear. Louder and louder until we knew it was at our floor. You could hear the elevator door open with the sound of footsteps coming closer down the Hall. A veritable cacaphony of rhythmic noise which wonderfully repeated itself over and over that memorable day. And then, the knock on the door ... Slowly the door opened. All heads joined as one attempting to peer around the corner... and, Oh shit, it was just the pasta man. Our food had arrived.
But wait, while paying the bill, again the buzz, the gears, the door, the footsteps and the knock. The door opened and... Oh shit, it was just Dashing Don , the seventh and final member of our commitee had finally arrived. Better late than never and now the IMMF was 300 pesos stronger.
1500 hours
With Judd downing another Quilmes, B69 another gnochi, the rhythmic sequence repeated itself. It culminated yet again in The knock... Group 1 had arrived. A look of shock crossed their faces as the commitee was revealed to their unsuspecting eyes. Their horror quickly subsided as they were greeted by Roxanna and offered some food and drink. Thank God for the pasta, as Major Thoms luncheon meats could have pushed this group over the edge. The tension eased rapidly and soon the girls were making the rounds of the room individually greeting the members with the traditional peck on the cheek.
Observation #2
All the girls were extremely friendly, down to earth and especially polite once they got over the initial chaotic scene. B69's and Roxy's language skills surely played a major role in breaking the ice.
The first group of 3 was made up of Sol, Veronica, and Lucia. An Argentinian and two paraguayans respectively. All in their mid 20's and ranging in looks from decent to scary. Actualy it was Lucias first day on the job as she had literally just gotten of the bus from Paraguay. Maybe she just didn't have much time to get ready. While I was perfectly content to pass on this group it appeared that Judd had found a freind in Veronica. As well, although only 10 minutes thru the door and not yet breifed on the protocols, dashing Don so eloquently uttered the words " Hey, Let's get this party started" and quickly dashed to the comfort of the private laboratories. This was done in direct contravention of Jacksons supreme edict , Pictures first, sex second. Oh well, the pics began with Veronica and although not really my cup of tea, she did have quite a nice package in her pink bra and panties. Actually over the course of the day it was fairly easy getting the girls to pose sin ropas although many requested it be done in a back room with minimal participants. I guess only Jackson knows for sure what future lies for these photos. Oh, by the way I never got my CD copy. Hmmm. Just kidding man.
With Sol and Veronica giving DD and Judd their moneys worth, major Thom was entertaining the newest member to Argentinian society on the balcony. Lucia and Thom talked for quite awhile and several eyebrows were raised when Thom shouted in for the Spanish translation of the english word "fate". It was easy to see that Major Thom was the true romantic of the group. But somehow ground control was able to reach Major Thom and convince the countdown had just commenced and maybe he should wait for the next group.
THE CLARIN REPORT to be continued...
THE CLARIN REPORT continued...
1530 hours
The knock and 2 more have arrived. Luz, a 26 year old thick bodied Paraguayan with a very pretty smile , and Analia, a 24 year old shy, mousey type Argentinian who seemed to appeal to Capt. Dave. IMO, Luz truly had the look of a girl who probably had a great talent for BJ's. Rox and Jackson echoed the same sentiment, however her talents went untested simply because of timing issues. I was tempted, I must confess, but with Capt. Dave, Judd, and Dashing Don occupying the available labs, she simply got caught up between the departure of group 1, and, from my perspective the arrival of VIVIANNA. Ahh VIVIANNA. Clearly in my opinion the creme de la creme. Others would disagree and thats simply a matter of taste. Being quite tall myself I do appreciate the long legged type. I'm jumping ahead too far, back to Luz. If I have yet one regret from The Clarin Experiment it was in not testing my theory as to the oral abilities of Luz. Well, Actually I have several more regrets but i'm not yet there either.
1545 hours
Dashing Don returns with Sol. Of course she would have looked better for her photos before the sex, but what the heck. After a quick admonishment from Jackson and a slap on the wrist, all was forgiven. When asked to review the experience in 20 words or less, DD once again exhibited the eloquence of the master poets and stated " Great, I shot a load."
It was easy to see where Dashing Don gets his handle. Surely its not his looks but rather his ability to dash from one girl to the next. Only Judd could rival this ability. DD's return was not a moment too soon for at precisely 1605 hours his top choice arrived. One of the few solo arrivees. Valentina, a 21 year old tight bodied student all decked out in the oh so sexy baby blue and white of the Argentinian flag. Is it just me, or do others agree that the chicas look especially good in those colors. Oh well, with Valentina one of our secondary objectives had been accomplished. To uncover whether these ads truly did contain students just trying to supplement their educations. At least that was Jacksons fantasy as the experiment began. Unfortunately, I believe Valentina was the only girl who refused to be photographed sin o con ropas. Despite Jacksons unilateral motion to give her 40 pesos and send her packing, Dashing Dons emotional pleas for leniency prevailed. According to DD, Valentina was terrific and it was apparent that at the end of the experiment, Dashing Don would most certainly answer the lingering question re: great sex for 40 pesos in the affirmative. So moved was Don by her performance that he quickly obtained her personal cell number for an appointment in the upcoming days.
It was at exactly 1607 hours that I took a much needed hiatus from my cabinet secretarial duties. 1607 hours coincidentally signaled the arrival of Vivianna. By some stroke of luck or the premonitions of a mad genius, Major Thom had just returned from a champagne run down to the local store. Man o manishevitz would the extra cache of bubbly come in handy with VIVIANNA, ahh VIVIANNA. Initially Vivianna had the look of a somewhat bored 21 year old tall exotic seductress. Did I mention she was portuguese/ Syrian mix. That dark piercing stare reaching straight to my loins. Hows that for corny. It was to the corner of the room that Vivianna and Nancy 1 proceeded. Nancy1 was not really memorable since she was sitting right next to Vivianna and consumed by her aura. I sensed an initial reluctance by these girls to be part of our study. To be in the center of our scientific spotlight, but wait... Vivianna laughed and for a fleeting moment I sensed a smile cross her pouty lips. What prompted that reaction I asked myself. B69, come quick, I need your help. Please ask these girls why they are here. Nancy 1 responded first with the expected response of a single mom. But Vivianna replied, "I am here because I like it". Those eyes reaching once again for the depths of my loins. Another laugh. B69 please ask these girls what is so funny. According to B69,a most honorable, truthful, forthright, individual and new found freind, Vivianna stated and I quote " It is because you are a very attractive man that exudes sensuality." Somehow I can't help but think she really said you are hot and I want to bang you and it was just B69s translation abilities that added a decidely European flair to the translation. But no matter the effect was the same. She was mine, and let no monger stand in thine way.
To be continued...
JamesBond69
05-07-03, 21:53
Originally posted by slick1
THE CLARIN REPORT to be continued... [/i]
You mongers are having so much fun. I"m jealouse
Why am in New York City, the femiist mercenary capita of the world although NYC is great except for the women and the potential terrorists!!!!!!!
First. let's give an homage to the honorable Senor Johnquapo, who discovered all on his own (Guapo is from El Paso, Tx and totally fluent in Spansih, so he had the edge) the non turista
Clarin chica economy in Fall 2002.
In regards to the Clain research profect I am curious about several things for these chica that have sex with turistas for the Argentine price of 40p male prices ( $15US)
1. Are the Clairn girls independents semin-pro that just on their own, put an ad in Clarin or are they hard core girlsm PFROFESSIONALA that work at the casas during the day and escort during the down time when the Argentine clients aren't showing up?
2. Are the Clarin girls the same indie girls you see at night at Madahos and the other downtown and Recoleta Clubs ? Are they the Chicas that are just extending their business hours?
3. If they aren't club girls, are the same quality, given that it is the day and they aren't all made up and dressed up like the club girls?
4. Are they single mothers, like most of the club girs?
Perhaps only Roxane can answer these questions but anyone who knows the answers is welcome to answer. I'm very curious about Clarin and this research project?
For curious about all of this and thank for iniating the Clarin Reseach Project. You are all Argentine monger pioneers.
PS
I perfer going to the clubs and actually seeing the chicas in person abut I must admit with internet girls it's exciting.
The knock on the door. Who will enter. The problem with internet girls is the chica that enters could be a senior citizen (like many of the mongers-) with airbrush fotos on the net.
All in all I prefer the clubs with what you see is what you get and Madohas and Hooks are the best, except overall for Blacks with all the $US100 model types - at least , but then that is for suckers
I'm more interested in the Clarin 40 pesos girl next door.
My two pesos.
Ah Mr. Bond, such an insightful list of questions which most assuredly will be answered in the final installment of THE CLARIN REPORT. But we are not yet there.
As well, it is good that you remind us of the legendary mongering pioneer John Guapo whose preliminary research most certainly inspired the commitees latest endevour. It was mentioned quite often throughout the day that it was in his footsteps we followed.
THE CLARIN REPORT continued...
The Vivianna file
Lets see where did I leave off.
Ah yes , Vivianna !
Did I mention she said I was extremely attractive and exuded sensuality, Oh sorry, I'll move on... Ah yes it was at precisely that moment that I decided to lay down my pen and instead pick up or shall I say, take out my sword. After stepping over Jackson who was howling with laughter on the floor we were off.
To the back bedroom we went, unfortunately Major Thom was not yet back with the champagne and it was vino tinto that Vivianna possessed. She wasted no time in stripping me of my clothes. Tall, slender, without an ounce of fat, hmmm...and you should have seen Vivianna. Just kidding.
She was tall, slender, soft, but no wrinkles or creases. Wide curvy hips due solely to bone structure and not fat. Thick jet black wavy hair flowing down to the small of her back. Small perky breasts lay hidden beneath her flowing mane.
Since I had passed on the pasta it was Vivianna upon which I dined. For the sheet and beds sake I would have ordered the vino blanca or champagne but she also goes quite well with a good red.
This girl was hot and thoroughly enjoyed sex. She also thoroughly enjoyed alcohol which was quickly making her a crazed animal. Thankfully Maj. Thom returned with the champagne and the bed gradually changed from deep crimson to pink and finally ran clear. It was obvious that Viviannas passions were heightened by the constant stream of carbonation flowing over her clitoril region. After numerous runs for more glasses of champagne, which prompted some to proclaim there was a rhino loose in the kitchen, I simply grabbed a full bottle. They say it was an hour later that I finally emerged. Beet red, dripping wet, reeking of an odd mixture of sex, champagne and sweat. Ready right then and there to cast my vote in the affirmative for the question we sought to answer. But wait, while still under the hypnotic spell of this mysterious Syrian it was my turn to breach protocol as I slipped her an extra 100 peso bill. Hush, hush my sweet this extra gift is just between you, me, and of course Jacksons watchful eye. Caught in my protocol faux pax I was once again relegated to my role as secretary.
Thats okay I truly needed some rest as we had gone at it in every position that I know. To answer one of Bonds questions. It was both mine, Jackson's, and at least Maj. Thoms opinion that this girl, with the right direction and management could easily rival in beauty any of the top club girls.
She had asked me earlier to go dancing with her but after we both had consumed copious amounts of champagne I forgot to get her number. Maj. Thom walked her down and got her a taxi, all the while seriously considering sloppy seconds. And believe me it really would have been sloppy. For my sake I truly hope Jackson makes good on an attempt to add this young beauty to the Argentina private collection.
End Vivianna file.
THE CLARIN REPORT
to be continued...
To all the participants in the CLARIN REPORT......GREAT STUFF GUYS AND ROXANNE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have one question: did you call the Clarin girls from www.clarin.com's classified ads or from the daily newspaper?
I have to hand it to you all, I've had the same burning question for a few years and haven't gotten around to answering it yet since I've been busy with platynum and solid gold and playwoman and Monte Carlo and Estilo Nuevo girls, to name a few of the places I've been to so it's almost as though you all read my mind so THANK YOU PIONEERS for charting these uncharted waters!!
By the way, in '98 when I went to BA for the first time my porteno friend that I'd known in college in the states indoctrinated me into this lifestyle with a trip to Bar Monte Carlo which was then on 9 de julio a few blocks from el obelisco. Back then we took two Brazilian cuties to one of their apartments and screwed them both one-at-a- time and we paid them each 150 pesos for a nice 1-1/2 hour to two hour un-rushed session - on the same queen size bed mind you - so you can see prices in pesos really haven't changed too much in the last 5 years. Has anybody been to Monte Carlo recently? I believe they've moved to across the street from Ness. I'd love to hear some positive Monte Carlo stories from any pleased mongers out there since this is one club that I rarely hear anybody talking about. DownBA
THE CLARIN REPORT continued
During my tour of the wine country I missed the arrival of the 1635 hour gang of three. Quite frankly since I was out of commission I can't add anything of value with regards to Rocio, Andrea, and Lorena. If my limited memory serves me correctly I believe this group was a tad older and one very ugly. My notes tell me that Jackson went for the 5 minute blowjob from andrea and Judd jumped back in for his fourth session with I believe Rocio. They will have to fill in the rest. During this time I gave Maj. Thom 100 pesos for another champagne run since Vivianna and I had killed 2 of the 3 he had just returned with.
Observation 3 It seems a safe bet that champagne appears to be the popular drink choice amongst the Clarin girls. As well there is probably a much reduced risk you'll be supplying your rental agency or hotel with a new carpet.
1835 hours signaled the arrival of our choice for best new group of the experiment award which went to the combination of Noelia, Marcia, and Nancy2. Especially Noelia and Nancy2. Marcia was the winner of the biggest breasts award and once again Dashing Don performed the honors. This was the first group where someone opted in in satisfy or should I just say sample each member of the group. All 3 of these girls were 23 or 24 and very sexy and friendly. I really wanted to try Nancy2 who was just the cutest little spinner, all 150 cm.of her. I'm pretty sure thats far less than 5 feet tall but conversion to the metric system is not most Americans strong point. This girl also had a very cute face and super sweet personality. Though I wanted her bad, I defered to my most gracious host Maj. Thom, who said she was great. I did try to book a session with her on my last day in BA but she was off, rather than opt for yet another disappointing platynum experience I told them to send Noelia instead. Though she was my 2nd choice I did find her attractive during our study. As well, Noelia was the only girl on the day of our study to do 2 members. Not at the same time but rather in sucession. The one thing no one attempted, and for 40 pesos I don't know why, was to take 2 or 3 back at once. I guess we all felt we would leave something for the others to play with. Oh well that still leaves options for THE CLARIN REPORT, THE SEQUEL.
As good as the 1835 crew was, the 1905 water buffalo stampede reminded us that you just don't always get what you want, and if all your eggs are riding in one basket you just might well be disappointed. If this was the first group of the day, our study may have been abandoned early on. Though I have not yet confirmed this fact, I don't believe Rox ordered us a crew of 200 pounders. We decided there was no sense having them stay around for the full hour, we just called up a couple of Gauchos and had them round the group back up and take them away. I don't even think Jackson pulled out the camera for this crew. As further proof of their undesireability, even Judd and Dashing Don sat this round out. Of course we gave them their money and taxi fare. Pretty ironic that the first group opt in was followed up with the first entire group opt out. They were nice enough but I guess they wondered why they were sitting all alone while we all doted over the prior group.
One girl remained. 1915 hours and her name was Alexia. Young and in my opinion quite hot. Had some sort of spider web thing going on around her head and hence earned the nickname the black widow. Jackson had the last honors and was pleased. To top it all off Jackson left her in the back room so she could freshen up and she actually made up the beds. Sweet young girl that I would also have opted in on, but just not for seconds.
And so it was that at roughly 2000 hours the experiment was concluded. Even with all the fun we had the IMMF returned us all approx 91 pesos from our initial investment. All totaled an entire day of women, food, alcohol and fun ran us each about 60 dollars. Wow. For about an hour we relived the memories and expressed our opinions which from my perspective will be all summed up in tommorrows final installment of THE CLARIN REPORT.
With our plans to gather again at 2200 hours for a group trip to Estilo Nuevo for free pizza night we each went our separate contented ways.
Dashing Don
05-08-03, 02:50
Hello again Slick and thanks for the great reports.
I saw you writing during that afternoon but didn't expect this much detail, a veritable monger version of War and Peace:) Actually, I was unaware of some of the details, such as one of the girls being sampled twice, what with all the coming and going. The whole thing is sure to generate a debate on the Clarin v club girls and internet girls. But whatever the scholars decide, that afternoon sure was a whole lot of fun.
To give an idea of the stamina of the group, we finished the Clarin activities at 9pm approx and reconvened at the Etoile at 10:30 for the trip to Nuevo Estilo, barely an hour and a half later. Personally, I couldn't look anothe piece of papaya in the face, but b69, who knew this place from a prior trip, swung into action. The lesbian show is great and it is possible to clearly see these two beautiful blond girls giving each other oral. I left early to get some sleep after the most action-filled day of the trip.
Don
Vacation is coming up, want to check out mongering and non-mongering in one major S. American city for one week. Would you guys go to Buenos Aires or Rio?
I have followed both forums and have learned lots but not seen comparisons between two mongering capitals. What's a better overall experience though of course obviously either I am sure would be awesome?
MeGustaBoliches
05-08-03, 05:34
JamesBond,
As you can tell by my screen name, I,too, prefer the clubs overall...but in Arpril I did have an interesting experience with a girl from the classifieds that answers one of the questions you raise.....
I prefer LaNacion rather than Clarin....but both LaNacion and Clarin girls frequently advertize in both the local papers and on the web sites. They may also work in the boliches at night.
Prices may vary depending upon the source of contact.
Here is my example: Ani from LaNacion is also Hanna from Platynum. Ani charges 80 pesos for an incall, 100pesos for an outcall. Double these prices if you phone and ask for Hanna...cause she knows you search the web and have more money.
hope this helps....
Zen Zapper
05-08-03, 05:58
Hi All,
I´m at the tail end of a lengthy stay in BsAs, having come down here to study Castellano (or Spanish, as some of you know it). I´m a confessed virgin when it comes to mongering, but having lived near the downtown clubs has peaked my interest (that, and I´ve recently split up with my Argentine chica), so I´m ready to sample the P4P scene before heading home.
I´ve done my research on this board, and have talked to a few of the promoters around Calle Florida. The option that most interests me is a brothel-apartment called 'Discreto', located somewhere in el centro. Apparently there are three rooms, five supposedly hot girls on duty, and it's 120p for an hour of action.
Does anyone have any feedback on this place?
Cheers,
ZZ
xthrax, the only correct answer is both.
with aa you can use 40k miles and go into ba or rio, return from the other, and use tam to connect between.
ua offers a lower than aa price if you're looking to pay, and you can use their partner varig to connect between.
HappyGoLucky
05-08-03, 16:37
Hey Slick!
Your Clarin reports are awesome!
I remember standing in Madahos one smoky evening with my eyes full of Argentine candy, my libido on overdrive, and trying to settle on a flavor for the evening when Jackson suddenly appeared before me out of thin air like the grand wizard of BA. Surrounded and seriously distracted by so many lucious lovely ladies I only half-listened while Wizard-like Jackson shared a "Clarin" plan he'd devised with some fellow mongers lurking across the room behind a thin veil of fog spilling from the stage. Interesting concept, I thought, "I'll call you to see how it turns out" and was soon thereafter transfixed and transported by yet another one of Argentina's finest.
Now, in reading your Clarin accounts it is like having been there- except I wasn't. Damn!!!
Jackson, I need to listen better next time! You ARE the man!
All the best from stateside,
-Happy
JamesBond69
05-08-03, 22:25
Originally posted by Happygolucky
Hey Slick!
Your Clarin reports are awesome!
-Happy
Again full credit to JuanGuapo from El Paso, the pioneer and genius behind the Clarin Report.
You guys in BA are having so much fun it's painful to read the report these days,very paintul.
I remember one time I registered a chica at the Etoile Hotel Front Desk, questioned the deskclerk and asked him how much he paid for sex in BA. He told me not more than 20 pesos. He went to an apartment in Begrano and there it was, a few chicas charging him that amount. Some Dominicans, some Brazilians, some Argentines.
The girl I checked into the Etoile was from Blacks - a real beauty for sure - and I paid 300 pesos - about $100 US at the time - and the Etoile deskclerk was paying $6 dollars,probably for more or less the same girl.
Like anywhere (including New York where I live) there are two economies and if you can connect to the Clairin Atgentine Economy you will discover the same chicas as in the Recoleta tourist econony but for far FAR less.
I think this is interesting.
Kudos for the Clarin Project and Research ( and you guys much of had such a blast at Parea 156 were I stayed in BA , with all the champagne and food)and to Jackson and Roxane, the masterminds the masterminds of the caper. It must have been great theater! I only wish I were there.
The BA Monger Associations has really broken through the El Turista Buenos Aires to the real Argentine Buenos Aires.
PS
As it has been mentioned Buenos Aires is not just sex. It's a curoisitly - a world class city like Paris, New York and and London inow experiencing an economic downturn, so the cost of everything is the same as a third world country like Peru - but Buenos Airees is NOT third World my any means - it's as sophistacated as Europe or New York, even more so.
Don't consider it like monger distinations like Rio or Tijuana. It's truly a place that worth visiting, wi5h increditble chicas and the city is blast.
THE CLARIN REPORT
The Final Chapter ( for now... )
With our final girl departed, all 7 researchers and Roxanna grabbed their final drink of the day ( until we got to Estilo ), sat silently back in their chairs and couchs, and smiled. Though Jackson sat directly across from me it was not him I saw but rather visions of Vivianna still clouded my eyes. I was not alone in reliving what had just occurred. Dashing Don reclined back, eyes closed, and I could make out the name Valentina being mouthed by his lips. Almost simultaneously however the silence was broken with the unanimous proclamation "That was Awesome". While not to delude the reader into thinking that every Clarin experience is awesome, it's not. Everyone of us however took away a memory from that day that most certainly was. Whether it simply was the male bonding of 7 new found friends, drinking champagne from the fountain of youth, or listening to the hilarious tale from Judd about having been raped by one of the girls, there was something for everyone. Oh yeah I forgot to mention the rape of Judd in my prior posts.
It was early in the day and Judd was missing in action. As well his chica was scheduled to depart, for her hour was up. Judd we called. No response. An expedition party led by Capt. Dave was dispatched in due haste to find our missing member. I knew where my member was so I just stayed put. I am told it was in the farthest reaches of the research facility that the muffled cries of help emanated from behind closed doors. Judd are you all right Capt Dave called out. No response. Several minutes passed. Nothing. With the search posse lowering their shoulders and preparing mentally to break down the barrier which held our captive member, the count began. One... Two... They reached the count of two and a half before the door burst open and Judd miraculously appeared. "She wouldn't let me go" he proclaimed between gasps for air. "Every time I thought I was out, She kept pulling me back in" he stated , sounding strangely like an old Michael Corleone in Godfather 3. At that jucture he burst into tears and hugged B69 for support. No wait, those were B69 tears from laughing so hard at this ridiculous tale of seduction, domination, and woe. In my opinion this was just a desperate mongers talltale, spun in hopes of persuading the IMMF to forgive the 40 peso late fee for extending a chicas stay. Oh well it had no effect on Bank Chairman Jackson and Judd reluctantly satisfied his debt. To this date however Judd still professes that this girl kept pulling him back for more. You the reader must decide the truth for yourselves.
Without further digression, I think the Question of whether great sex can be had in BA for 40 pesos was certainly answered in most of the researchers minds. For yours truly, the answer was a resounding yes. Of the 20 girls who graced us with their presence that day, I would have been satisfied if 5 of them had shown up at my door. But, since we don't always see the glass as half full, rather half empty, therein lies the dilemma. Based on statistics alone, I would have been disappointed with 75% of our test subjects. That may not be odds I would be willing to lay should I conduct this experiment on an individual basis. Now for guys like Judd and Dashing Don the odds of being disappointed would be much lower since the odds of being satisfied are inversely proportionate to ones discriminating tastes. A man like B69 however, with his savoir faire and grace, would probably be best served by sticking to the clubs and letting his keen eye for beauty service his desires. But for today at least the bonding, laughter, and new formed freindships ruled the day.
I believe at this jucture I will take the opportunity to respond to the inquiries of JamesBond in his recent post. Questions which also we hoped to answer during our study. While it did appear that the majority of girls were working for someone other than themselves they truly lacked the professional attitude of many of the club girls. From my perspective these were the true girl next doors in BA. Be honest guys, we don't all have a perfect 10 living in the next house or apartment. Do they have flaws, Yes. But again lets be honest. How many of those club girls have you taken back to your hotel only to see her in a different light come morning, and sans alcohol and super spandex stretch pants. Perhaps 3 or 4 of our girls could have worked at a club the caliber of Madahos, and 4 or 5 others were no different than what you would find in Affaire, but IMO they truly lacked the pro attitudes. These truly were sweet girls. Alexia, who could work at Madahos, made the beds for crying out loud. I think for the most part they work out of an apartment who probably takes a good percentage of their 40 pesos. Definetly not hardcore pros. To be honest I really thought we would get a group of girls that probably were to old or used up to survive in the clubs, but we didn't. We got instead fresh attitudes and sweet personalities who surprisingly did not appear to have any hang ups about what they were doing. The vast majority were single moms but so are the ones in the clubs. I did not get the impression that any of the Clarin girls we saw were moonlighting from their club jobs but I'll bet that within the next year several of our girls do work in a club. My guess would be that there is a rather large turnover of girls and many are sampling this job for the short term and due to desperate times. If you are looking for the true girlfriend experience or perhaps you just want to be raped, it can be had thru Clarin. Hopefully some of brethern will chime in with a final thought, but for yours truly I bid you all a fond adieu. Or is it fondue.
END CLARIN REPORT
until I return...
Bond your friend is right. When I went to the caballito district to visit the leather factory recommended by Mayra I saw signs on all the telephone poles for 15 peso sex houses.
By the way I highly recommend this leather factory . They custom made me black leather and brown suede blazers that were beautiful. Especially the suede. Perfect fit.
Also for you restaurant fans I highly recommend El Estilo Campo in Puerto Madero for carne. The table next to my date and I was made up of players and coachs from the Boca Juniors so I figured this has to be highly rated amongst the locals who can afford to eat there. The Boca Juniors were the 6th rated soccer team in the world, at least until they lost to Velez on Sunday. Excellant meat and service with a nice view of the water. Also had a nice romantic dinner doubledating w/ B69 at Morena in Costanera thanks to the earlier recommendations of prior posters.
Only sour note was at Solid Gold. My second time there and again I felt like the mgmt was trying to rip me off with the bar bill and fine. Left a beautiful girl behind because of the mgmts. attitude and I will not go back again.
Hey Slick,
Absolutely fantastic! The Clarin experiment is a great shagging adventure that merits repeating. What a great way to spend the day, eating and drinking with friends, getting a good look at the chicas before deciding whether your in or out, and all at a reasonable price and still having time left over to go out at night if you have the strength and the will to do so. I salute this group for their creativity in improving and taking this hobby one step above the usual. Congratulations are in order.
Dashing Don
05-08-03, 23:10
Just a note on the Clarin girls and whether they could pass muster for the clubs: during a break in the action, Roxanna told me that many girls didn't work in the clubs because they couldn't keep those hours, simple as that. So they work daytime, and then go pick up their kids from school, shop for dinner etc.
JustGotBack
05-09-03, 04:24
To the Clarin Experiment comittee. Would you be willing to post the names and numbers of the 25% that did pass muster?
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