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Jaimito Cartero
09-23-03, 04:05
DH - a few questions on your last report. For Rivadavia 1929, you say "everything covered". Now do you mean it includes anal, bbbj, etc, or do you mean everything with a condom?
For Alejandra, I don't know what an alfajor is. Condom? How much extra for BJ? What about just for BJ, if you know.
When I say "everything covered" I mean everything with a condom. I am not into anal so don't know or care if it's available at Rivadavia. However, in my first conversation with the madam at Guemes she said it was available.
Alejandra gives some BBJ but not TC or at least not for the standard rates. I didn't have much money left by the time I started fucking her so I will leave you to explore further possibilities. But the BJ is included in the 30 pesos. If you just want a BJ I bet she'd still want 30. She gives good BJs but is ideally suited for fucking doggy style. Anyone into anal would probably be into it with her and another poster a long time ago claimed to have done that.
Alfajores are a sweet. They are sort of like Scooter Pies only way, way better. Available at any kiosk. My favorite is the Shot Triple something or other but there are many varieties. "Jorgito" is also a good brand. But be careful because you can get strung out on them.
Oh yeah, but the madam at Guemes, when telling me anal was available, quoted 120 the hour and not 80. See my post from the summer. BTW for those who don't know, "servicio completo" = anal whereas "servicio normal" = no anal.
DocBill449,
Yeah, you learn real quick these girls are notorious for the no call/no show. I remember Jackson saying these girls just don't know how to say no. I got so frustrated getting stood up 3 days in a row. I set-up two appointments thinking one wouldn't show. Wrong, they both showed up one fifteen minutes after the other chica left. Feast or famine! The 2nd girl couldn't understand why my pepee was so tired. "I'm coming down with the flu baby!"
Lucila has a wicked ass! Very energetic, you definitely get your pesos worth with her. Could use a little enhancement on the top, but I digress.
I hope to see other mongers in BA next month. I will be in town for a week in mid Oct. Contact me at judd2120@yahoo.com if anyone would like to chase the kitty.
I plan on following the advice of senior members advocating covered sex, bj sin codom though. You're right, it's not worth it. I've been dodging a bullet these past couple of years. It's all about longevity in this game.
Late,
Judd
Does anybody know what happened to Wrndy from EscortsBaires.com .She disappeared from the page and was wondering if she will be back.
Thanks
DocBill449 and any others interested - if you want to hit some haunts together meet me this evening (Weds.) at 11:30 p.m., McDonalds coffee shop at Junin and Vicente Lopez, near Recoleta Cemetery? I´ll be at the stand up coffee bar.
Some random comments:
1. Per prior requests from posters, more specific directions for finding Dickhead's favorite, Maria, in Microcentro. And yes, she is a truly nice person. From Cordoba and Florida (and Gallerias Pacificas) walk just under one block north, towards Paraguay. Maria hangs out in the doorway of the shoestore on the right, the last doorway on Florida before it hits Paraguay. Hours vary but Dickhead said after 9 p.m. and he seems to know her best. Sometimes she is yakking with a newsman whose stand is in the middle of Florida walkway. He will clear out fast if she has a potential 'friend' (you) so don't assume her talking to a male is a sign she is busy. Two other working women hang out in that doorway less often. So ask for a name and if it is not Maria ask the person for Maria - they are friends and may be able to locate her. If you can't find Maria with this input, she is not working that day, or is busy, or you had too much Quilmes today!
2. Shampoo remains very loud and at times too crowded, but in some respects seems like more of a regular bar. Lots of people, good dance shows, slow dring service but that is almost refreshing. Good looking women. 25P to get in includes one drink, and for chicas there is a two drink (25P each) exit fee. So its not cheap. But has good talent.
3. Affair has some amazing looking women now.
4. Recommended at Affair and elsewhere: state you pay 150 Pesos per hour and be real clear you pay 50P per half hour thereafter, unless you really want something like 4 hours in which case get a volume discount. Clarify any activities you really want. Discuss whether you will pay at beginning of session or end, and of course push for the latter. This formula works.
5. Crocodillos. (Paraguay y Gallo) I thought it was great, I went about 3 a.m. twice. Once I was quoted 100 Pesos before I could give my I pay 150 speech.
6. Lucila of Hooks is on everyone's good list, for good reason.
7. Cattoo and Piper's Pub (Suipacha y Paraguay) have pretty good singers late at night, if you get tired of pure 'clubbing'.
1965 Corrientes 13B - Lorena is one willing young lady. Tip her please, they make very little.
Hope this helps.
HF
Every time I think about that gal, my dick gets so hard I don't have enough skin left to blink my eyes. If she is not there when I get back in January I will scale the Obelisco, set myself on fire, and jump off. Tell her I said so.
Jaimito Cartero
09-24-03, 20:21
DH - Man, sounds like your forgot the 3fs!
HF - While it's helpful to mention the 150 pesos, I never paid 150 pesos an hour. I paid 150 pesos ST. Which usually meant 1 1/2 hour minimum, and often 2-3 hours. And of course, I took no girls from Blacks or Madahos.
Jaimito Cartero
09-24-03, 20:25
DB - I had pretty good luck with girls from Hook. Cattos seemed interesting, but a few girls there seemed a bit unstable. I probably just attract the unstable ones!
Does no one take pictures anymore? All the BA girls that I took loved to have their pictures taken.
I never believed in the 3Fs. You must have me confused with some guy on the Thailand board.
"Find 'em, fuck 'em, and remember 'em for a long time."
There's some I've fucked that were forgettable, but she ain't one of 'em!
Another one I'll always remember is Antonela from Nuevo Estilo.
The Sage of Thailand says that prostitutes are "sperm receptacles" and I do NOT believe that. As we know I am a Dickhead and not some bleeding heart, and I am of course kidding about any type of immolation or defenestration, but I like to pay for sex with HUMANS. Real, live, breathing, feeling women with all their nuances and complexities.
I am by no means in love with her or anything like that but María has touched my soul. Find her, screw her, enjoy her, give her some money and walk away happy. But treat her right or I will hear about it eventually. BTW 9 o'clock is just a bit to early. 9:15 to 9:30 (2115 to 2130 in BA-speak) is when she reports for work. Tell her El Toro Rojo sent you.
Mancordo: Here's a cell phone number for Wendy, good as of early August: 15-5012-5690. You will need your own bullshit story about how you got it because she doesn't know about El Toro Rojo.
Jaimito Cartero
09-24-03, 22:39
DH - Well, there's such a thing as getting in too deep with a girl. At least you're not some first timer who talking about marriage or such. I say this from experience, unfortunately.
It's nice to find a girl that you can really "get in touch" with. Someone you wouldn't mind hanging out with, even if you weren't screwing them.
Yes, there is a lot of the 3f's over on the Thai section. I'm not into the sperm receptacle theory, or treating the girls with anything other than respect.
I was amazed that some guy was describing himself forcing himself into a bar girl (holding her hands down, while she was trying to slap him), and another guy was telling him that "you really showed her".
JC: All the deeper I would get in with her is six inches. Are you saying you married a hooker? I wouldn't get married again if it was a deaf mute nymphomaniac who owned a liquor store, and I didn't even have a bad divorce. To quote a prof I once had: "Marriage is an institution, but do you really want to spend the rest of your life in an institution?" :)
Does the "Cartero" mean you were/are a letter carrier? Been there, done that.
Jaimito Cartero
09-25-03, 02:27
Jaimito Cartero is a character in a Mexican tv series. No postal experience.
Well, I would say that I spent a few too many years chasing after something that I shouldn't have. When you're younger and think you've found "it", you don't always think right.
HobbyFan, sorry I got your message too late to meet you, maybe we can hook up tomorrow. I´m right at the LoiSuites. And thanks for the info. To add: The offer of 150 is the way to go everywhere EXCEPT Cocodrillo´s, where the going rate is 100.
We went to a newer place called Croupier last night. It was slow, with only one hottie (who I didn´t get...yet!). We also went to the highly touted Snobs and it sucked - totally dead.
Tonight I went back to Hook to meet up with Lucila. Yes, she is highly regarded for good reasons - She excels in ALL areas.
I´ve never yet (with anyone) had to specify that I pay after, and I´ve never had a problem with it. Only the price and the issue of covered or uncovered head needs to be discussed up front.
Madaho´s was packed and full of fake tits - not my scene.
Stay strong!
Sadly, my visit to Snob was similar to DocBill's. Maybe it hops at a different time of day or night. But I have my doubts. The problem with place empty of guys is it is very tough to jump from chica to chica for tryouts without being to be a jerk.
DocBill, I will try to drop by Loi lobby at 10:00 p.m. to see if you want to catch dinner etc. If I am late or no-show please forgive as I have an appointment (not Hobby related) somewhat earlier. Maybe we should see what Jackson is up to. You have or had my e address - we hit Hook together and first met Lucila.
Some words about pricing --- I believe that Moondog's approch is the best --- "Let the girl bring in up" --- Then you negoicate for either more time or a better price --- From my own experience and whats been posted on the board, a fair price seems to be ar$ 150 --- But here in lies the catch --- I want an hour an a half, not one hour --- Its also very important to set all the rules down before the transaction, such as you pay after, in Argentine dollars, is the bbbj an issue, and so forth --- This way everyone is on the same page which makes for a better session --- Ive also found that one girl in about five is worthy of a repeat, sometimes a three peat and once all the rules are established the first time all the above haggling is no longer an issue and both of you can have a good time --- Exon
I agree with Exon123, his approach is probably better at most clubs and I will try it. Probably would have saved me 50P at Croc.s. Thanks for the advice.
But at a higher tier club (Madaho's, or at Affair with a total babe), you know you are not going to do much better than ArgentinaPrivate.com pricing structure anyway. (150 Pesos for an hour, then 50 each for the two or three several half hours until you get to a real time volume discount situation). So I still think you are better off announcing that price structure, if your Spanish is up to it. I don't like having the 'Americano' price quoted to me at all, and I really don't like discussing two hour price during a session or afterwards.
DocBill - I am probably going to a recital this evening so I will not be dropping by Loi around at 10 after all. Midnight tongiht at McDonalds cafe', Junin and V. Lopez? Or dinner Friday? You name the place. Or do you want to hit a concert before partying Friday? I would like to hit Hooks again. Our mutual friend Lucila might be amused to see us walk in together....but maybe that is uncool. You can choose to pass or play with her, if you like the idea of this move.
By the way, I agree with DocBill's review of Madaho's. And there my suggesting 150 an hour drew scorn. OK, unnaturally gorgeous lady, see you (sitting around alone) later. But she will get someone later, and perhaps she is happy with one big chunk of money per night. To each his or her own.....
HF
Exon's point about repeat sessions is a good one. I know that half the fun is screwing someone new, but you always get better service and a better experience the 2nd time around. Yes, price is important to all the girls, but even MORE important is her safety, especially if you take her to a private apartment. Despite their outward bravado, almost all of these women are afraid the first time, and with good reason. Plenty of horror stories. Also, no matter what you negociated at the club, she is wondering if and how much you will pay her. By being paid at the end, she exposes herself to non-paying creeps. The story I've heard is that after 1 or 2 hours of sex-with-a-smile, the guy will start an argument over something trivial as a pretext to kick her out without being paid. Happens mostly with Argentine men, but with a few foreigners as well.
Once a woman knows she is safe with you and you'll pay what was negociated (or more), it all becomes a non-issue. Also she knows what to expect from you, your style, your needs and your skills. Treat them right and the time constraint more or less disappears as well. I've never asked for more than an hour, but no one has ever left prior to my being ready for them to go, whether it was 45 min or 2 hours plus. Several I had to ask to leave. As has been pointed out before, a big part of what you are paying them for is to leave when you're done! The all-nighter is overrated, usually doesn't work and you only end up paying more. But if the sex was good the first time, it will probably be a lot better the second. Was very true with both Maria and Liliana from Catto. The second and third times were off the charts.
-P
Hobbyfan, I will be out with Jackson et al tonight, so I dont know where I will be at midnight. Try to hook up with us if you can. Yeah, I dig the idea of both of us walking in on Lucila, that would be fun, and I am sure she would not mind! Isnt her laugh a killer?! But since I only have two more nights here I think I oughta try out some new things/places/girls. I wont waste time with Blacks or Madahos again. I already have plans for tomorrow night of a non-mongering nature (forgive me, gentlemen), so I just have tonight and daytime Saturday.
I definitely agree with Prok on the advantages of repeating, but novelty has its advantages as well.
Prokofiev is a lot like me, only not as much of a Dickhead. I do not agree with the holy grail of don't pay up front. I pay up front most of the time, and I get good service. Here is my line of reasoning: these women don't have a credit department to pre-approve my application. And, if I don't trust them I don't do business with them; why would I? If they don't ask for money up front I don't offer it.
Plus I agree with him wholeheartedly about both TLN and getting better service the second time. I have seldom had a repeat ask me to pay in advance. All this gets a lot more ticklish if you can't speak the native language. Misunderstandings become more common and it's harder to resolve them. So maybe then it is more important not to pay up front.
Hey PK, you ever think while you were kissing María that you might be gobbling some of my goober? :)
Jaimito Cartero
09-26-03, 01:45
DH - Hey, stop worrying about your goober.
My experience in BA was just with apartments, Clarin, and club girls. I considered it a very bad omen to be asked for the money up front, except for perhaps an apartment setup.
All my chicas came back to my hotel, so perhaps it wasn't a concern. I guess there are always some aholes who will rip someone off. These women do work hard, and don't deserve crappy treatment.
DickHead,
That sick thought haunted me constantly, especially since you kept posting exactly what you did or were going to do with her during that timeframe. In fact I would give her those little Listerine "Cool Mint" strips to eat since they claim to kill germs. But I was afraid they wouldn't be strong enough in your particular case . . . Well, at least they made her breath nice. Actually, I think the reason she started lying to me about seeing you is because she sensed a certain posessiveness in me (true) and that I wouldn't approve. She of course had no idea that I could follow your posts on a daily basis and knew exactly what was happening. A strange situation to say the least. She also told me that she never tells anyone, including her sister exactly what she does with a client or how much she earns. And that was confirmed when I went with her sister, who kept pumping me for info on why so many guys liked Maria.
I don't want to sound sentimental, but when I return to BA and pass by her post outside the shoe store . . . I sincerely hope she's not there. There should be a legal limit on how long sweet kids like her need to blow guys for $25 a night. She's done her time and will hopefully pass the torch to some other lucky girl. I just think she deserves better . . . And strangely, I don't feel this way about other "providers". Guess I just spent too much time with her.
Jaimito,
Using a hotel does a lot to address the security issue for the girls. They feel much safer. But it makes no difference as to whether she gets paid or not. You can still kick her out and she has no recourse. Hotel security won't help her get her money. They'll only throw her out . . .
-P
Jaimito Cartero
09-26-03, 03:18
[Maria]
Prok - Would you say it took a whole package (about 40 strips) to get rid of the DH flavor? :)
I feel a short comment about Maria is in order. I don't know her, and doubt I've ever seen her, so this is all shooting from the hip.
There are a lot of people who are screwed up in one way or another. Most people would say that we are screwed up for only looking for sex all the time. I remember all the talk about sex addiction "disease" during the Clinton years. It'd be one disease I wouldn't want to get rid of.
Maria sounds like a very nice person, who has low self esteem. If someone gets kicked every day for many years, or there is molestation or other abuse people think they're worthless. When they get attention it makes them happy, and at the same time you feel good too.
I've had low self esteem in my younger days, and remember thinking, "Why would anyone want me"? I'd guess that many of the guys who go to prostitutes have problems of their own. My own particular problem, being a big fat guy, makes things difficult. I remember when I first went to Thailand and BA I was worried that I'd get a lot of turn downs.
I don't know how long Maria has been working, but of the chicas I've known in Latin America, 50% work for 2 years or less. They find a boyfriend, husband, or earn enough money to get something they really needed (house, usually).
I knew this Dominican girl in San Jose, CR who was working in a common "Tico" place. I saw her a number of times over two years. She was trying to save $5000 to buy a house in the DR. I saw her last year, and she said she was going back for good at Christmas. She would have her money, and be able to go back with her daughter and live a normal life.
So she saved $5000 US in 2 1/2 years. Not a great amount, but since the place she worked at was a inexpensive place ($15 for 1/2 an hour, of which she got $7.50), not a bad feat.
Sometimes you see a woman who is so sweet that you want to rescue her. Think about the millions of dollars that flow to Thailand to keep girls from working in the bars while they're boyfriends are away. Most go to work as soon as the boyfriend leaves. It's a rough world out there.
Member #1282
09-26-03, 10:46
Hi, I'm new to the board and I have a question.
I'll be going to B.A. soon and would like to know if anyone has information about Samanta from Area Vip, in the pictures she looks pretty good.
Thanks
Well PK buddy, if she's not there when you go back, I hope it's because she is with me. And yeah, you do sound sentimental. And yeah, I feel a bit sentimental about her too although being a Dickhead and not a violinist it manifests itself somewhat differently.
JC, a few points about María that PK may or not be aware of. She will not go with just any guy who approachs her. She chats with them and then uses her "sixth sense" to see if she feels safe with them. Since her sixth sense is remarkably good, she tells me she has been mistreated very few times. That was a bit of a sad conversation. She said, "The ones who treat me badly, I just try to forget about them as soon as I can."
I don't know how long she's been working but she's been in BA about two years and already has a house bought and paid for like your Costa Rica girl. I haven't seen it, of course, and I'm sure it's quite modest, but still quite a feat as you say. She is a frugal girl and has dreams of opening up her own business (not going to say doing what but it is not sex-related). I'd like to help her do that, although just with business advice and not money. If anyone can do it, she can. I bet she's a good mom, too.
And, PK, other than to comment the first time I saw her again that she was seeing someone who knew me (I didn't even know it was you until you started posting, although I suspected from the description of the suit and tie), you never came up. I didn't know she was lying to you about seeing me. That surprises me but if you say it is true that you were feeling possessive she probably sensed that. I don't feel possessive towards her, obviously, since I am encouraging other guys to see her. I do that because she told me she needed more business and because I think for her to go many nights with no customers is a waste of trim.
That's funny about the breath strips. I always thought her breath was pretty good anyway. I seem to remember seeing her with a cigarette on my first visit but never again; that one of the things that is so great about her. She quickly figures out what you like and dislike and behaves accordingly. If that carries over into the line of work she wants to go into, she'll be quite successful although it is not a way to get rich.
On the first visit, when she left I gave her a toothbrush. I always keep plenty around. On the third visit (couldn't find her on the second one which was pretty short), when she saw me again she remembered that and was still grateful. I miss her and hope to see her again and get to know her a bit more personally. That is the great thing about being a Dickhead but a Dickhead with good social skills. I can do that and not get all messed up, just like I did with the amigovia. I controlled that relationship pretty well and even though I am not going to sleep with her again, we are friends for life.
Jaimito Cartero
09-26-03, 14:49
Sometimes there's such a thing as giving a girl too much internet accolades. In Costa Rica earlier this year there was a great girl working at MP. Don Gordo has a lot more CR experience than I do, and I was asking him for his three top girls in the town.
He told me about Wanda, and I went to see her when I was there. Well, needless to say, she was the best girl I had ever seen up to that time.
I posted a very favorable review, and so did others. Well then it appears that she was so busy all the time, that it was overwhelming her. She told people that she was going to open up another branch of the MP. Later on, other people reported that she was still working, though. (Not sure if it was just to get less business, or if plans changed).
I remember reading about Maria before I went to BA. I would have gone to see her from that review, except I was pretty lame at finding stuff in BA. And a certain doorway and such when I don't know the city at all is too much for me. I could probably find it now, though.
Take a grain of salt with every post you read. You have to remember that we all have different tastes in girls. What is a "10" to me is a "5" to another guy. Also, a girl might not be as compatible with some guys so if a guy says he got a BBBJ, DFK, etc. that isn't a clear indicator that a girl will do that stuff with everyone.
Although I find nothing wrong with what we do, I always hope that the special girls I meet aren't working the next time I come back into town. I actually get a little smile on my face when I hear that a girl isn't working anymore. Sure, she could just be in another city but I secretly hope that she is gone and out of this business forever.
I don't care how desperate I was for money.... I could never do what these girls do. It's not an easy job and it takes an emotional toll on them. Hopefully everyone treats these girls like the angels that they are.
Good luck.
I can only sustain Saint's last lines.
We so often ask for "girl friend experiences" - besides the fact that these girls often know the art of lovemaking much better than many girlfriends, I experienced during my stay here many times to be treated like a lover rather than a customer.
So, what we can give back is a "boy friend experience", making the girl feel at ease and comfortable and respecting her very much as a person.
My angel will be here in less than half an hour...
El (muy feliz) Aleman.
Dickhead and others who have been harping on the "to pay in advance or to pay at the end issue", I've done it both ways and you can get crappy service even if you pay afterwards and you can get great service even when paying in advance (sorry, Jackson, I know this is a big point of contention for you). I prefer to pay at the end since it adds a little bit to the gfe illusion but I'll never forget two nights in a row in Nuevo Estilo Boliche with the same girl named Silvana, I paid in advance (don't believe you have a choice there, or do you fellas?) and I thought I'd died and gone to heaven with the chica! So go figure.
So in conclusion, I earnestly believe that if the girl's burnt on the business it really won't matter one iota if you pay her before or after a lackluster performance. DownBA
Hello,
Can anyone tell me if the Hilton at Macacha Guemes 351, Buenos Aires, is a good location? Any reports? I will be there BA Oct 30th to Nov. 5 ( do they have Halloween there? )
Thanks.
Slim
While I have no doubt that WSG charities is a great thing, let's keep in mind it is not the only way to help people out. For example, in several of the neighborhoods there are store front relief agencies. One is in the Loria neighborhood. I've been collecting clothes from my women friends here in the states who just keep outgrowing them and bringing them down there on my visits. Got a lot of kids' clothes too. Also there is a food bank in La Boca which takes a very different approach. They focus on nutrition and a balanced diet. For example, they do NOT accept donations of noodles and polenta because the kids get too much of that already. There was a Clarín article about them while I was there. The amigovia and I made a super nutritious soup concentrate with chicken and quinoa and brought it over there along with the recipe and a bunch of information on using quinoa (the "supergrain of the Incas" or some such), as well as a couple of kilos of quinoa. It was sort of funny because when we were taking the meat off the chickens, every time I thought I had gotten all the meat off, she would scold me and work on the carcasses some more. I got into some pretty wasteful habits when I was a professional cook, I guess. She also took the carcasses to a butcher she knew, had the bones ground up, and gave it to her sister to feed to their chickens. I never knew you could do that.
My preference is to donate "in kind" rather than in cash because I can add more value that way (i.e., my labor). I also think it would be an excellent idea if WSG members could do the actual distribution as it would free up the agencies' time for other things. I had a lot of free time while I was there.
BTW Jim, the Hilton is a beautiful, awesome hotel. It is not particularly close to the "action" but cabs are cheap so it doesn't really matter. It might not be as girl friendly as a lot of other places, though.
Dickhead is correct that there are other ways beside WSG Charities to help struggling Argentines. Like him, I have supported Argentine charities I found after investigation to be particularly good matches for my charitable goals.
But WSGCharities has some really good things going for it. Like zero overhead - 100% of your money goes to wholesale price food delivered to the needy. It is super easy to donate to (Paypal, or hand cash to Jackson in BA). You get a US tax deduction because Jackson has created this as a US charitable corporation, so you can donate more for the same net cost. And it could grow fairly big if a block of us decide to really participate.
Finally, I like the idea that we are not just here for women. Go to a concert, enjoy this great city, and help out where you can. There is real need here, quite apparent once one leaves the center of town.
So I have participated, and join Saint and Slick1 in encouraging others to do so.
Also, unlike Dickhead I am not a professional cook and never have been one. For me to cook any food would be a major value degrader.
OK, enough plugging. On to hobbying.
Very Highly Recommended:
Lorena at 1965 Corrientes 13B. You can call ahead but I have not done so and had no problem, 3 times.
I prefer not to 'kiss and tell' as to details, but I will say that I do not know after three sessions if Lorena knows how to say ''no.'' She is not into heavy girl-girl stuff, but I just picked that up and did not push for it during a threesome. Otherwise anything was fine.
If you want massage, Tatiana at same location is very good looking, has a rear as cute and tight as Lucila's (Hook), and has hands of steel. That to me is worth 60 P per hour by itself. (It is 40 P per hour in a lot of regular massage places, with masajista clothes on!). I believe that she is not into DFK or much BBBJ, if that is important to you.
I spent 3 very nice hours with both Tatiana and Lorena (100 per hour for both, a price that may not be available all the time depending on demand, 300 tota.... but don't ask for lesbianism or the house will try to charge 150 per hour).
Please tip well after a session, these ladies get very little on a 60 Peso-per-hour-paid-to-the-house deal. And we want them to like visiting hobbyists.
Finally, I agree with Jaimito C that it is a bad idea to focus too much on any one lady on this Board. Maria of Florida/Paraguay fame and Lucila of Hooks are great women, but everyone has his own type. Eventually Jackson may set this board up so that that all discussion of one person is on a separate thread that one can follow or skip at will, so that the issue will disappear. But what if the chica finds the thread...that might not be good.
HF
MeGustaBoliches
09-28-03, 11:37
quick update regarding SNOB....
Visited Snob on Saturday night at 11pm...the place was dead....3 chicas, one moderately doable.....drinks 10pesos hombres, 20 pesos chicas.
I bought the moderately dowable chica a drink and we talked about Snob and other boliches. She said things were livelier during the time of grand opening...but that business has fallen off since....and many chicas have gone on to other locations...
maybe it was just a bad night...
Maria was not at her post
Excedra did not have a single doable chica
There was one nice looking chica in Cafe Orleans...but she was with a guy....
I went home!
'
Saturday night in BA is date night. Make you selection during the week for a Saturday night date.
Moondog
MeGustaBoliches:
Thanks for the Snob update.
Actually, Maria was at her post Saturday night just until a few minutes before MeGusta came by, based on his report. I had a great time with her from 11:20 p.m. to 1 a.m. She is truly friendly and great to talk to, assuming you speak Spanish, in addition to being a quite willing partner. So try again!
HF
You see? The more you do her, the more you like her. Sniff. Sob. 3 months and 9 days.
Too bad about Snob. That place has high overhead so it'll probably be closed real soon. I never had my tongue down so many chicks' throats in one night in my entire worthless life. PS when I was there chica drinks were the same as guy drinks. Typically LA economics, raise prices when it's slow. Seen it a million times in Méjico. Guess they don't teach "elasticity of demand" like I do.
Report of Croupier (Pellegrini y Corrientes) Thursday and a strange experience:
Went Thursday to Croupier (after a good dinner and Madaho's with Sir Jackson and a pack of 8 visitors).
Quoted 15 for entrance and two drinks by street greeter/hawker, once inside only 1 drink until I argued.
Not a good start, but I suspected honest error - it was an opening party and I think the hawker who said 2 drinks had not been told that the price changed at 1 a.m. or whatever. They backed down reasonably fast.
Good show, which to my surprise included a muscle bound male stripper. (That is not something I really want to see, but it is fair enough and I used the time to observe female reaction and to make chicas laugh by claiming that he was my twin).
After the show, I approached a 23 year old long haired fairly dark Brazilian with long hair and noticeably very large breasts. Goes by Maria (no relation to Florida/Paraguay Maria!). She had been trying to grab the male stripper, and she greeted me with quite a kiss. We danced for awhile.
Sorry no photo, but Maria hangs with Ana, shown in Judd's 9-27 backside photo. Supposedly they are sisters, Maria is the larger chested and younger/better-looking one. I had seen them together at Affair and they were together at Croupier's. She speaks somewhat limited Spanish, as they are both Brazilian. The chest is big, if Maria is in the room, you will not miss her.
Using Exon123 negotiating strategy as an experiment, I let Maria quote price and she said 200 P. High, but she was very good looking and obviously 'friendly,' so I agreed but added in 1.5 hours, complete service, etc. etc. All OK with her.
Exit drink: she said 20, bar charged 40. (Or two drinks for 20). I was annoyed but Maria explainied - it was her first night there. Fair enough as she had been at Affair recently.
In the room Maria was absolutely great, for 40 minutes. Then her cell phone rang 'at the wrong time.' We untangled, and she got up and ran into the bathroom with the phone, closing the door and talking about 5 minutes. I could pretty well tell she was setting up a date and I think she was claiming to be in a boliche at the time.
She came out happy and reported that she was going to earn 400 pesos. This was refreshingly honest, compared to telling her her grandmother was ill, and I was actually quite happy for her. But I said I was paying half the 200 agreed upon, as I had half the time. I had showered up and this was kind of absurd.
She then get really nice to me and seduced be back, making it clear with words and deeds that she was willing to do pretty much everything I have ever read reported on this Board if I wanted it (some vocabulary I learned here: BBBJ, CIM, rim, greek). And she then did things I did want as well and as nasty as I have ever had it done. I didn't and normally don't do all the stuff reported on this Board, but I did stay and had a great time with a really good looking 23-year-old. So we ended up together about an hour and a quarter. And I paid the 200, smiling.
Then things got weirder - she slipped and fell on the wet bathroom tile. She rested a bit, but was kind of out of it, more than I would expect from a fall. Then she asked for 10 for taxi money. I pretty clearly recall giving it to her - she had been great even if I did not like the cell phone stunt. I got her cell number. A bigtime repeat, still, in my book.
Not five minutes later, she asked for 20 Pesos for taxi money! I told her I she had quoted ten a minute before, and I that had given it to her. She looked really confused, checked a pocket or two (she had a lot, as it was a cold night) and then pretty much demanded 10 for taxi money, as originally quoted by her. She was saying she wanted to go home or go to a boliche, contradicting at times, and seemed to have forgotten the big money date she had set up. (Just in case people wonder how getting stood up starts).
She was more or less out of it and in hindsight I wish I had given her 10 more to be done with it and part as friends. But was getting tired of this BS, so I said 'no,' I have paid, and I stood by it.
When we got to the lobby, she talked to Horizontes hotel staff, who later told me that she asked them to not let me leave, claiming I had refused to pay! They pretty much told her to get out, and we did not say goodbye.
In the end, it was a BadForYourHeart experience with absolutely superb sex that she appeared totally into at the time. I think she is truly a great girl who is as wild as they get. My best guess is that she was coming down off some not so legal substance.
She was so good that I cannot say that others should not go with her. Just be sure to pay later and take normal precautions with wallets, although I think her less dishonest than temporarily nuts.
Comments on how others would have handled this?
HF
Btw, the Hilton is chica friendly, I've had no problem bringing chicas up to my room.
You can't take up two girls though. Also, they wouldn't allow the chica to your room if she doesn't have her D.N.I. card- the norm at most hotels in BA.
Hobby Fan --- I would have handled that a little differently --- Buenos Aires has more beautiful girls than any place Ive ever visited --- With so many choices one stray's away from true value by just trying to do as many Chic's as possible --- Wrong --- Take Dickhead for example --- Maria and just a couple other girls seam to satisfy his needs --- Dickhead really likes Maria and from his posts Im quite sure Maria likes Dickhead even more --- Bottom line its the "GFE" they truly have a relationship --- Our leader Lord Jackson has a very special friend whom he has a very special relationship --- In others words they have become both friends and lovers --- Its not to say that one does not stray from time to time --- But heres where I coming from --- Thease girls are human beings just like anyone else, where women just like women all over the world --- There in the business they are for the money pure and simple --- But that does not mean they don't have to like it because a lot of them do --- I think you made a mistake for just a few pesos you blew a potentual "GFE" relationalship --- You should have paid her a few extra pesos kept her phone number and saved the relationship --- The next time you would not have had to pay the club drinks and all the above --- Its also my experience that the second and third times with a girl you have a relationship with is out of this world --- Advice --- Go back, say Im sorry and give her a few extra pesos --- You have much more to gain and nothing to lose by that ---- Exon
On drugs + using cell phone during sex + price discrepancies + complaining to hotel staff = NOT GFE material. I'd have handled it the same way.
Not on drugs + doesn't drink on the job + reasonably priced + no discussion of money after initial quote + "time is no problema" + no cell phone + no complaints = María
But, I was definitely guilty of straying from true value a few times by trying to do as many chicas as possible. Had fun doing it, though.
Exon123,
Great answer. I've had a realtionship going on with a girl in Sao Paulo for over three years now. It just gets better and better.
Enjoy the life, :)
Moondog
Hobby Fan
The way I read your story, my advice is forget her.
You did the right thing, and she was taking advantage and had no class.
Thanks for the input. A two to two vote! From notables Dickhead, man, Exon123 and Moondog. There is no right answer, of course. I do not think she was GFE material long term, but for 10 pesos it would have been worth it to end better.
HF
I'm back in Rio for a few days after an incredible week and a half in Buenos Aires, in no small part thanks to Jackson, Dave and you other mongers out there. It's an incredible city, and not just for the sex.
I know you all seem to sing the praises of Roxana here and I feel obligated, in the spirit of "fair and balanced" to share my own experience with her. First of all, she is very fun, cool, friendly and bright person. If you don't know any Spanish at all and want to use escorts there then I'd recommend paying her her ten dollar fee to assist you with it. Since I speak Spanish and don't use escorts I didn't need her for that, however I did meet her and I took her city tour.
The above notwithstanding I found Roxana to be a bit too mercenary for my tastes: My first night there I called her to introduce myself and she INVITED ME to dinner with her, Mayra and another gentleman. It was not cheap and us guys were expected to pay. This may sound trivial to some of you but I find it presumptuous and very rude (and it's not about the money). This was not a "date."
Her city tour was allright. I liked her political commentary and knowledge of the city. I did not like having to pay a driver to wait while I took Roxana to lunch (which I did not offer and which took almost two hours). She did not charge me her own ten dollar an hour fee for the time we were having lunch. Again, I would have undoubtedly paid for lunch anyway but I don't like that it was expected and that it cost me over triple the lunch tab to pay the driver to wait. Like I said, the tour was just allright, but nothing I couldn't have done on my own with a Lonely Planet.
If you're thinking why didn't I say anything at the time it was my first day there and I either wasn't thinking properly or didn't want to seem like an ugly American, but I wish I had spoken up.
Finally, she kept pushing me to buy leather goods at one certain store. She did not tell me (someone else later did) that she gets a kickback from that store for referrals. I don't care that she would get a kickback, let her make some money. What pisses me off is that she did not tell me that.
So this is my two cents on Roxana. I know some of you have done real well by her but please don't flame me to death, this is just my own experience and opinion based on it.
Some thoughts, comments, and a few lines of report:
Hobby Fan:
I think I know Maria, took her out of Affaire about 2 weeks ago. The session then was good, rather wild, and no discussion at all about price. I had offered A$R 150 while in the club, and those plus a small tip were happily taken. With that background, I am a bit torn between the opinions of Dickhead and Exon.
Certainly, drugs are a No-No. Hardly one of us is in the position to help, and nobody needs the shit related. Establishing a relationship, on the other hand, is a big Si, Señor. I am in the progress of doing that twice, which will unfortunately (I mean it) be interrupted abruptely by a takeoff clearance for an airliner at wednesday evening. Besides, scheduling two chicas plus other commitments can be a real task!
The girls I have been meeting repeatedly are Mily and Carmen, both from Madaho's.
Mily, a tiny redhead with an impressive, though not totally natural rack, talks a lot, very lively. Likes to eat - some traces are there, but at the right places - and a good red wine, and certainly knows the "right places" of a man and what to do with them.
Carmen, long, curly black hair, mediterranean type, taller, a beauty in my eyes, is much quieter. But - she likes, and knows, to kiss! Boys, I think I did not kiss that much since high school (which was in the early 70's) as in the 2 nights with her. Sex not wild, but passionate, tender, caring.
As repeatedly stated in this forum, time is an ever less important issue in repeated sessions. You have the time for foreplay, afterpaly, in-between-play, talking, making jokes, having a drink, etc. It is however inmportant to be able to communicate. Learn spanish, the effort will be rewarded. And, here is the big opportunity to practise. As my father says (and that guy knows what he is talking about) there is no better place to learn a language than in bed.
One thing Mily told ma about how Madaho's works: the girls have to be present 5 out of 7 days a week, otherways they pay the TLN exit fee. So, set up weekend appointments early, because if the chica of your choice spent monday with her family and wednesday with someone else, she will have no time on the following weekend - during the night. An alternative: a late afternoon pop followed by an early (Argentina early, 9:00 pm) dinner. Other clubs may have similar regs.
GFE: I experienced better than that. I often got treated like the girl's lover, but her sexual skills where at a level only to be obtained by a lot of practise. Few "girlfriends" have that. 6 months work as a pro should be legal requirement before marriage.
btw. Guys who were at the "meeting" last thursday should know me, just look at my handle. I talked with two of you about a possible meeting in San Francisco in about a month, but before exchanging email etc. I got, lets say, distracted. Please mail me at scrh01@gmx.de.
End of the story: I fell in love. With everything here. With the girls, the food, this great city and country. It hurts to go. Two more days.
El Aleman
El Alemen ---- Very nice comments --- Thanks Moondog ---And Doc, Roxana is intitled to earn a living too --- Exon
Aleman.
Good travels. Good reports. And good wine selections when in a group.
As to Maria, I should not say she was on drugs, only that she went from great to bizarre, very fast. I had suspicions, as a result. But maybe she just whacked her head hard when she fell!
HF
Jaimito Cartero
09-29-03, 03:18
DocBill - I shared some of your concerns when I was in BA. I rather expect any woman I'm with is going to cost me money one way or the other. I believe in full disclosure when dealing with a "preferred" provider like Roxana. If she makes 10% off the goods in a store, great, but she should let you know.
In the one time I did use her for obtaining a Clarin girl, she came through quite well.
I have heard of other people not being happy about the group dinners with all the chicas eating free. I think if you bring a lady or two to dinner with you, great, but you need to foot the tab.
Jackson is usually pretty clear about how the dinners are split, so you need to be aware of it, and if you don't want to do it, don't go to it.
Hey Doc,
You put yourself in a tough position by retaining the services of Roxana on your first day. Usually it's the opposite. Mongers chase puss all week, and forget to take the obligatory tour of the 3,000 statues littered across the city. A panicked call goes out to Roxana so they can legitimize the trip to BA with their loved ones.
Jackson has toyed with the idea of having a section with photos of the local landmarks. Then, you can just superimpose a picture of yourself and have another day to monger!
All joking aside, there's nothing wrong with voicing your concern with Roxana. If you feel like this, then maybe others out their feel the same way. I think Roxana is professional enough to take constructive criticism. Sometimes, We all get tunnel vision with our livelihood. We need to know if our customers are not happy so we have opportunity to correct the fault. If we don't, then someone else comes along and takes our business.
MRLA,
My email address is judd2120@yahoo.com. Send me an email, I will be glad to do what I can to help you.
Just to let you and others know. With the exception of Daniela's email address, I don't have any contact info on the chicas whose photos I posted. I'm not interested in anything long-term with the pros. Like Saint said in a previous post, I'm hoping these girls won't be at the clubs when I go back. I hope they've successfully got out of the business moving on to bigger and better things. Anyways, their phone #'s are as realiable as Cliff Claven delivering the mail!
"Here's to looking up your a...dress!"
Judd
Dancesw/Chicas
09-29-03, 04:51
DocBill
A share your dissapointment at the way Roxanna INVITED
YOU and then have you pay. Correct me if I am wrong but,
when you invited someone it means you're paying. May be
she think you are "fortunate" for taking her out at the
restaurant of her pick. Its not the money since BA restaurants
are inexpensive. Also the way she encouraged U
into buying without mentioning her kickback. I mean if there is
nothing wrong with it, then why doesn't she mentioned.
I am glad I do not have a need for her 10 dollar introductions
For all your writing she definitely showed no class.
Dancesw/chicas
Jimbehr2000
09-29-03, 06:06
I'm planning on visiting BA for the first time in early October. Will spend 4-5 nites and take a one or two night side trip to Iguazu or Punta del Este or elsewhere (haven't decided where yet). I wanted to thank all for the great info here. But as a newcomer to this board I need to ask a few questions I couldn't find answers to by searching:
1) Black and Madahos seem more expensive. Is 150p for Madaho and 200p for Black's about right?
2) I'd like to see Hook, Catto, Madaho, Black, Cocodrillo, Cafe Orleans, and Excedra. Are there any "can't miss" or personal favorite places you recommend? It would be interesting to take a poll of everybody's favorite club.
3) Is there a dress code at these clubs? I'm on holiday and don't want to do the sports jacket or tie thing.
4) Do any of these clubs get busy before 11:00PM? I'd like to do some day touring/sightseeing.
Thanks again for any info or any suggestions. I hope I can meet some of you during my short stay in BA.
OttoGraham
09-29-03, 11:40
Roxana, Mayra, and some other non-provider lady friends that I know have a standing invitation to have dinner with Uncle Otto every day he is in Buenos Aires. They're great friends, their company is exemplary, and I don't get all bent out of shape ponying up ten or twenty bucks to pay for their dinner. If picking up the tab for the ladies' dinners bothers you, then stay home in America where you will find all the women you want to go Dutch. Maybe I have spoiled some of the ladies a bit by making this arrangement, but I am perfectly happy with it and would not dream of letting a sawbuck keep me from enjoying their company at dinner.
-Uncle Otto
OttoGraham
09-29-03, 11:47
1) Black and Madahos seem more expensive. Is 150p for Madaho and 200p for Black's about right?
Much depends on you, your ability in Spanish, and your negotiating technique. I think those numbers are a bit low, but not unreasonably so. You will probably find someone to bite at that level.
2) I'd like to see Hook, Catto, Madaho, Black, Cocodrillo, Cafe Orleans, and Excedra. Are there any "can't miss" or personal favorite places you recommend? It would be interesting to take a poll of everybody's favorite club.
In addition to your list, some of the fellows like NEB, Periplo, Shampoo, and Snob. I've been in Periplo and love its ambience. Use the search function to find info on these places.
3) Is there a dress code at these clubs? I'm on holiday and don't want to do the sports jacket or tie thing.
No dress code, but don't dress like a slob - i.e., no t-shirts or shorts. I usually wear khakis and a polo shirt or a casual dress shirt.
4) Do any of these clubs get busy before 11:00PM? I'd like to do some day touring/sightseeing.
The big clubs are usually dead before 10 or so. For some day touring I highly recommend Roxana to show you around. There is some daytime action in some places, such as Orleans or in various cathouses sprinkled around the city. I enjoy spending an afternoon relaxing at the Colmegna Spa.
There is a wealth of information in the threads over the past year. I suggest you read all of them and take some notes for yourself.
Enjoy your trip!
-Uncle Otto
Jimbehr,
Black and Madahos seem more expensive. Is 150p for Madaho and 200p for Black's about right?
Normally for any club or bar other than Black, 150-200 for a short time, 300-400 for a much longer time such as dinner and time back at your place, and usually 400-600 for all night and into the next day. This all depends on you though, and how much the girl likes you. Usually, I never mention price unless she brings it up. Just treat her like a normal girl that you have just met. You already know you can sleep with her, so just treat her nice. If you are very satisfied with her when everything is done, make it right with her, and error on the high side. Both of you will have a smile on your face.
Black girls always want more, but again, it is up to you. Just remember that all of the above mentioned prices are at the higher end of the scale. There are many options that will lower the price, but plan for the higher end, and you will have a good time. It all depends on you, and the chemistry between you and the girl.
2) I'd like to see Hook, Catto, Madaho, Black, Cocodrillo, Cafe Orleans, and Excedra. Are there any "can't miss" or personal favorite places you recommend? It would be interesting to take a poll of everybody's favorite club.
All the clubs are good, and what is good one night, will be lousy on another night. For all the clubs, Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday nights are usually the best. The cafes are hit and miss all the time. If nothing is going on, come back another time. Sometmes late at night is good for the cafes, other times, during the middle of the afternoon during the weekday.
3) Is there a dress code at these clubs? I'm on holiday and don't want to do the sports jacket or tie thing.
Agree with Otto Graham. Nice dress slacks and shirt at night, no tie is needed. Jeans are acceptable during the day.
4) Do any of these clubs get busy before 11:00PM? I'd like to do some day touring/sightseeing.
No problem, enjoy your day.
Enjoy the life,
Moondog
Hey Guys:
Now it’s my turn to post about what happened, what I think and feel about DocBill449 version of the facts.
DocBill449 arrived and called me on Sept.,17th late afternoon, and I didn’t expect to meet him until Sept.,18th for the city-tour HE ASKED FOR, SEVERAL WEEKS IN ADVANCE, but as he asked me what I was going to do that night and as I KNEW THAT IT WAS HIS FIRST TIME IN BUENOS AIRES, HIS FIRST NIGHT ALONE, AND HE HAD NOBODY TO SHARE A MEAL WITH, AND AS I AM A 100% MERCENARY, I told him that I was invited with Mayra for dinner with a guy and offered him to JOIN US. I didn’t realize that he was already my friend, and I had the obligation to invite him, and I had to pay also for his meal. MINE was already paid by the guy who invited me and Mayra originally, because it was the second time he visited Buenos Aires and he wanted to see us again for fun, as he didn’t take any of my services in this second trip, (it means that I didn’t earn any fuc….dollar), but as he is a nice guy , I accepted his invitation and I extended it to this newcomer to socialize and give him the welcome a 100% MERCENARY usually does. And for sure it wasn’t a DATE, I date whoever I want.
On Sept.,18th we made the city-tour, and EVERYBODY KNOWS VERY WELL THAT IT’S NOT MANDATORY TO TAKE THEM, I only make it when I am asked to.
I met him as usually do, at 13:00 to start with it and in the middle of it; as we started at lunch time, I asked him if he was hungry and he said , yes we can have something light, so I brought him to a restaurant and of course he paid for my meal, because if I have to pay for every meal I am invited for courtesy, I will bring a tupperware with a snack for me.
At the end of the city-tour; it took us four hours, but AS HE PAID FOR MY MEAL I ONLY CHARGED HIM FOR THREE HOURS, NOT FOR THE HOUR WE SPENT HAVING LUNCH, because I AM A 100% MERCENARY. But I had to charge him for the lunch time that the car with driver was waiting for us, because he was on duty to serve us during the whole time, he didn’t take any other trip while we were eating, because he is on duty with us.
I suggested him to go to the leather store and FOR SURE AS I USUALLY DO, I TOLD DocBill449 IF YOU FIND SOMETHING YOU LIKE, YOU CAN BUY IT AND I WILL EARN MY COMISSION, BUT YOU HAVEN’T GOT ANY OBLIGATION TO BUY SOMETHING, AND HE DIDN’T BUY ANYTHING AND FOR ME IT WAS OK (until he posted), WE CONTINUED WITH OUR PLANS. Plus this, I said in my first post in the WSG that I provide the service of going to a leather store that I can recommend and WHERE THEY GIVE ME MY COMISSION WITHOUT ADDING IT TO THE PRICE YOU WILL PAY AND MOREOVER THEY GIVE THE PEOPLE I BRING, A DISCOUNT, AND AFTER THE DISCOUNT, I EARN MY COMISSION FOR THE FINAL PRICE THE CUSTORMER PAYS, AND I’M VERY HAPPY WITH IT, I DON’T NEED MORE. I don’t need to post every time a guy don't buy anything there, because I AM A 100% MERCENARY.
So, to finish with this I need to say that I think that for DocBill449 EVERYTHING WAS ABOUT THE MONEY, because AS I AM A 100% MERCENARY, I DIDN’T TAKE ANY FUC… DOLLAR FROM HIM I HADN’T EARNED, AS I USUALLY DO, and I gave him good advice about a girl he wanted to meet and I added in the conversation we had by phone, that he had to meet her because she was a good one and I remarked that he could do it perfectly without taking my services as he spoke Spanish, and AS I AM A 100% MERCENARY while DocBill449 WAS HERE I SENT HIM AN EMAIL WITH DETAILED INFORMATION ABOUT PLACES WHERE TO MEET REGULAR GIRLS TO PICK UP (WHAT A MERCENARY I AM!!!!) , WITH PLACES TO VISIT AND NEIBORHOODS THAT I TOLD HIM IN THE CITY-TOUR HE COULD VISIT WITHOUT ME AS I DIDN’T WANT TO WASTE HIS TIME AND MONEY, AS I USUALLY TELL THE GUYS WHO TAKE MY CITY-TOURS, or do you think you can know Buenos Aires in three hours???
For the ones who never took my services because they don’t need them or don’t want to, relax, because ANY OF THE SERVICES I PROVIDE IS OBLIGATORY, but I want you to send me your personal information about your incomes for earning money working in your jobs, AS I ADVERTISE THE COST OF MINE IN MY FIRST TWO POSTS IN THE WSG, I think it will show some class because I will be able to make my comments too.
And I want to let you know that IT’S NOT MANDATORY FOR ME TO ORGANIZE LUNCHES OR DINNERS WITHOUT RECEIVING ANY COMISSION, OR PAYMENT, ONLY THE COST OF WHAT I EAT SHARED BY ALL THE GUYS, AND IT’S NOT MANDATORY FOR ME TO CALL GIRLS AS I DID TO JOIN US IN THE MEETINGS AND FOR FREE, BECAUSE THEY WEREN’T PAID TOO, ONLY TO GIVE THE GUYS WHO ARE IN BUENOS AIRES THE OPORTUNITY TO SOCIALIZE WITH COLLEAGUES IN THE HOBBY AND HAVE THE COMPANION OF NICE LADIES. MY FRIEND JACKSON SUGGESTED ME TO DO IT, BUT FROM NOW ON I WON’T ORGANIZE ANYTHING ELSE FOR COURTESY.
AND I ALWAYS ACCEPT CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICS, BUT DocBill449’s WASN’T ONE OF THEM, BECAUSE HE IS NOT SUGGESTING ANYTHING CONSTRUCTIVE TO ADD TO MY SERVICES, SO I WOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE A CHANGE IN WHAT IS WRONG WITH THEM, HE LIED AND GAVE NEGATIVE ENERGY THAT ONLY CAUSED ME A NEGATIVE FEELING ABOUT ALL THE THINGS I USUALLY LIKE TO OFFER TO YOU, WITH OR WITHOUT BEING PAID, TO MAKE YOUR TRIP TO ARGENTINA A MORE BEAUTIFUL AND HUMANE EXPERIENCE BECAUSE I AM A 100% MERCENARY.
Roxana.
OttoGraham
09-29-03, 14:21
Obviously Roxana is quite upset about this situation, but my advice is: relax baby! Not everybody we meet in life is going to be someone we like. Not all experiences are going to be happy ones. Certainly Roxana could write posts about her clients who expected to cheat her, or to not to pay for services rendered, but happily for them she doesn't write about these cheapskates.
DocBill had a bad time when he met Roxana one time. Too bad. Next time he can find a better tour guide and companion. I don't think he'll find one, but I wish him good luck in his search.
I've known Roxana for two years, and she is a great person and not mercenary in any way, at least not in the way I interpret this word. Does she get paid to be your tour guide? Of course. If that makes her mercenary, count me in as a mercenary too, since when I work I also get paid. People whom I personally know have also uniformly given me terrific feedback about their time with Roxana. I respect their opinions greatly, and indeed, their opinions coincide with my own.
I hope this post is the last one concerning this little incident. I would urge Jackson to delete any further ones, and if people think something needs to be said, I suggest you take it to email.
-Uncle Otto
Roxanna -- You go girl.
DocBill -- You are one cheap, inexperienced, whining monger. Anytime a gentleman dines with a lady he is expected to pay. A driver gets paid whether you and the lady are riding, sitting, or eating...you are paying for his time not mileage. Even taxis charge you for sitting.
You are in a country of gentlemen...act like one even if it is a new experience. Appreciate the company, learn from the experiences and if you are going to whine...at least bring some cheese to go with it.
I have used Roxanna for translation services, touring, and dining. She had always been fair, up front, and extremely reliable. Yes she recommended a leather shop...after I asked...and volunteered that she received a commission. At the shop, I did receive a discount before mentioning her name and the discount was still in effect. The translation services occasionally did not result in an appointment...hence no fee. I am sure she saved me more than her fees added up to during my stay. If you want to have some fun times get to know Roxanna. If you can't afford the services, don't waste her time. Like doctors and lawyers, the only thing she sells is her time.
My soap box is now closed. Thank you for listening (reading).
Grshel, having read and respected your posts I am surprised at how shameful you are, resorting to insults. I am entitled on this forum to share my views and experience without being insulted and name-called. And I'm going to resist the temptation to retaliate. You weren't there, so shut the fuck up.
I think Roxana's response speaks for itself. I will only add that she did indeed NOT tell me about her commission at the leather store (which Jackson can verify), and I wish she didn't have to lie about it. As I said, I found a lot of good things about her.
And it appears that I'm not the only one reading this board that has had negative feelings about her as well.
You can all take my opinions or leave them, there is no need for personal insults. Now let's move on, this topic is closed for me.
Lets tone down the flame war. This board has been largely free of them in the past.
Roxanna is obviously a great guide and connection, and provides superior service. She is also obviously an outgoing and friendly person. And she has no problem working in the 'hobby' area. I base these conclusions on strong testimonials, heard in person as well as read on this board, but I have not met her.
DocBill is a nice guy, and not a whiney person or whatever. I met him and had dinner twice, with Sir Jackson. A chica he was with told me he was a gentlemen to her and was in no manner a 'cheap Charlie.'
I agree DocBill's post was too strident, but he wanted to express his view. He got a bit carried away, and he noted Roxanna's great qualities up front. The response was probably stronger than is productive.
DocBill and Roxanna have a very different recollection as to commissions disclosure, and both have posted to provide their views to all of us.
Lessons:
All economic issues should be very clearly discussed in advance, a statement I make without any conclusion as to whether DocBill's report or Roxanna's recollection as to what happened between them is more accurate.
And all postings should be as free as possible of 'barbs.' DocBill may have started it, but he has now been flamed more than enough.
Peace. Lets exchange information, treat ladies well, and maybe even build a nice charity that feeds lots of hungry kids. Flaming anyone will undercut these goals.
HF
PS to Uncle Otto: I agree with you that this should end, and it is fine if a bunch of these posts are deleted. I kicked in my two cents for reasons including personally knowing DocBill and having some additional relevant information I choose not to go into, for fear of putting fuel on the fire.
Some simple rules of thumb which should apply to any country and any woman, chica, pro or GF.
"Will you go out to dinner with me?" = I pay.
"You want to have dinner together?" = If she offers to pay a share, let her. She has her reasons including maybe not wanting to feel beholding. If she says nothing, I pay.
"Let me take you to dinner." = A no-brainer. I pay
Commissions: So? If I go in and pay retail $100, I pay $100. If someone gets a commission from the $100, my cost is still $100. Duuuuh, simple math.
If someone refers me to someplace and I pay $100 but the item is crummy or a rip-off and the referral person gets a commission, then I lay it on them and learn a lesson.
No one wants to feel ripped off so use common sense, it's called "Due dilligence."
Just my 2 cents (worth 1/2 cent w/inflation).
David
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1) Black and Madahos seem more expensive. Is 150p for Madaho and 200p for Black's about right?
Your price target for Black's is on the low end. I'd say that your chances of leaving with a hottie from Black's for only 200 pesos is not that great. Generally you'll pay 250 pesos or at least 300 pesos. The key thing that I try to do with the Black's girls is to negotiate more time. No matter what....they will throw out some high ball price quote. There are some sharks at Blacks but there are some real sweethearts too. Last trip I pulled out a hottie for 300 pesos I think and she spent the night and even went to the airport with me the next day and waited with me before my flight to Brazil.
Madaho's girls can be pulled out for 150 pesos for short time. Many I think will ask for more but my last trip I paid 150 pesos + 10 pesos for taxi (she never asked but I always give them taxi fare).
Good luck.
SlickUno,
Any chance you'll be heading to BA in the coming weeks? Email me at judd2120@yahoo.com when you get a chance. I'd like to know more about your journey to the Mecca of Ass, Cali, Co.!
Maru has just resurfaced on Platynum as Berenice. Stark contrast to the pics I took of her last May. Again, good service but below average on looks and height.
JimBehr,
Negotiating with chicas at Madahos late, say after 3:00am, will increase your chances of hitting the goal of 150pesos. My first trip to BA was last May, 150 was my cutoff. Madahos was usually the last club I would go to since my apartment overlooked the club. I would get there at 3:00am and start shopping. Only a few of the girls I was interested in wouldn't negotiate from 200 down to 150. I would decline the 200 offer and move on to another girl. Still other girls initially said no to me, as I walked away they had a sudden change of heart and agreed to the 150.
Never tried to pull at Black's. Black's is where the "pinky tippers" go to consort with the mujeres de la noche. I can't afford the drinks let alone one of the girls.
Have fun,
Judd
Judd
Hope all is well. I have already booked my ticket to be in BA from Nov. 21- 30th. I am working on B69 to get him to join me there from Spain. I have already reserved one of the apts. wherein we conducted the Inaugural Clarin Experiment and if you can manage to be there at the same time I imagine we can continue our research. I am also looking forward to attending the Thanksgiving dinner that Jackson will be hosting as well as lending a helping hand to put some of that WSG charity money to good use. I'll drop you an email re: cali. While I still have an affinity for the Colombianas I also need to return to to BA for the sophistication and comraderie. Hope you can make it back during the same time period. I also look forward to meeting the other posters at the Turkey dinner.
Even though I'm in Rio, the land of sex, I sure do miss Buenos Aires. It's the only place other than Cuba that infects the soul and changes you forever. I can't wait to return.
HobbyFan, did you give our girl Lucila a big kiss for me? Also, I'd like to talk to you and it wouldn't be appropriate on this board, so please write me at docbill449@mindspring.com. Thanks!
There have been a few requests for information on streetwalkers. Be careful is good advice, of course.
At the corner of M. T. de Alvear (two blocks North from Cordoba) and San Martin, in Microcentro, there are two dark haired women who are pretty nice and quite willing to spend time with you for 80 Pesos. The shorter one, with reddish tinted hair, is Valeria. She is not as thin as her taller friend Veronica, but is more experimental and is just great at massage. I think they are both quite honest and ''no problem.''
Both are orally inclined. They work Monday to Thursday, 11 p.m. to 3 a.m.
I do not know the blond that hangs out at the same corner. If you walk from Cordoba you may see others, or along Paraguay between Reconquista and Suipacha, or at Reconquista and Tres Sargentes.
In Microcentro, I prefer the Hotel Horizonte (on Tres Sargentes near Reconquista, across driveway from some elegant regular hotel).
Hope this helps.
HF
I just got back from BA and would like to update those interested. Hopefully if you read this you will not have to sift through months of other posts to get a good summary of BA. However, if anyone would like more details, just post here and I’d be happy to provide them. I would like to thank all those that posted here previously as the information posted was vital in finding some of these places. I hope my consolidated list is of some help. If you are a first timer, make sure you learn some Spanish because Argentina would be very difficult without it. I was lucky enough to travel with someone that did speak it. If you don’t speak any Spanish you may unfortunately want to stick with the more expensive clubs. In my opinion though, if possible, ditch the clubs, they are a rip.
Clubs:
These are the places that are like the American strip clubs, with the exception you can actually take the chicks out. Bottom line on these, they are pretty expensive and all of them have a cover charge of 15-30 pesos. In addition, most of these places are geared for taking the girls out of the club. There are usually no on sight facilities, which really makes it difficult.
Affaire – This place actually has onsite facilities and the girls are pretty good looking. If you are a club kinda guy, this is the best bang for your buck. 15 pesos to get in and the girls are a pretty consistent 70 pesos for 30 minutes. Go late though, because there is nothing before 11pm or so.
Black – Decent looking girls, but the prices are outrageous. There are definitely other options if you are willing to spend 300 pesos.
Madaho´s – I was actually impressed with some of the girls here. Some open classers for sure, but also has some pretty repulsive ones to even it out. However, again, 300 pesos? I think not. A good place to look at girls though before you get serious and go out and get something.
Cocodrilo - Gallo 1311 Teléfono: 4963-7195, 30peso entrance and not worth it. Nothing really great to speak of and the girls are between 200-300 pesos for a couple of hours. Don’t waste your time.
Croupier – A pretty cool club on 9 Julio(C. Peligrini) between LaValle and Corrientes. 15 peso entrance and had a different type of show. Watch out if you are a homophobe though because you will have to stomach the male strippers. There were some good looking chicks, but they were also fairly expensive at around 200 pesos for an hour or two. But it is a nice club.
Gatto's is located in Suipacha Street between MT Alvear Street and Paraguay Street. Hooks, Ness and Pipers Club are all right next to it, however I only checked this one out. There were some great girls in there. We concentrated some black girls from the Dominican Republic. Rookie mistake, go for the local flavor. Imports are gonna cost way more. They got pretty surly as well after they finished their drinks and I declined their 300 peso price. One of them actually wanted a tip because she had spent time on us. The attitude got pretty bad so we bailed asap. Decent club, but it is on the expensive side.
Ladies (next to Cutty Sark on Reconquita #800) – Ugly girls and expensive. Don’t waste your time.
Snob (Cordoba 937) – Should be renamed Snot. This place sucked. Only a couple of ugly hags and not much going on. Don’t waste your time.
Freelancers:
Constitution – Yes, this whole area has street walkers. My advice is to keep walking though. Besides the fact that it is a bit of an unsavory part of town, and I wouldn’t recommend it if you are by yourself, the girls were pretty nasty. The prices are pretty cheap, but not worth it. I’m sure if you looked hard enough you could find a good one and would get a good price but there are better places.
Florida – After reading all the posts on here about Florida, I was looking forward to it. The one week I was there I didn’t see anything worth taking. And as a matter of fact, there were not that many girls working in this area. Might be worth a try if you are walking by for another reason, but don’t go there with any huge expectations.
Cafe' Orleans corner of Cordoba and San Martin – There were a lot of chicks here, none too great though. If you are bored and really looking for a freelancer, this may be ok to check out.
Cafe Exedra, corner of Julio and Cordoba – Even a little earlier in the evening I walked by and saw the talent in side. There was a couple of decent girls, but none good enough to get me to stop and go in. Again, if you have nothing to do and want to practice your Spanish, this may be a good place, but don’t get your hopes up.
Cafe Iberia, Avenida de Mayo 1100-1200 block. See Café Exedra, almost identical.
Apartments:
These are the places that make BA great and where you get the most for your money. It is an interesting setup and I think really made the trip worthwhile. Most of them are open 24/7. It appears the girls change shifts twice a day so you can go during the day and get a different crew than in the late evening. The girls will come into what ever room you are in, say “hola”, kiss you on the cheek and then say their names. After all the girls have come in, you either pick which one you want, or just say you are not interested.
Sante FE 1707 #3 – Out of all the apartments, this place was the best. I went two times and both times, while there was only 2 or 3 girls working, all of them were very acceptable. The place is clean , prices are fair, and the girls were very nice. 80 pesos for 45 minutes and the girls keep busy for the entire time, there is no pressure to finish up and get out.
Montevideo 271 – Too bad this place wasn’t good. It is a cool atmosphere and has a little bar with about 3 or 4 girls working that were always very pleasant. Plus, it was right next to my hotel. I really wanted the place to be good and actually visited it a couple of times hoping it would get better. The girls were ugly enough that I didn’t take them up on the 15 peso price for 30 minutes though. This gives you an idea of the quality. However, if you are a drinking man or just have low standards, this is the place for you.
Corrientes 1965, 13-B (tel: 4952-8234) – Not bad. For 40 pesos the girls were adequate. They were nothing I would take pictures of to brag about, but for that price, I was happy they were decent looking. They were generally very nice as well. When I was there, there was about 3-4 girls working and 2 were acceptable.
1888 Corrientes – I was not even going to mention this place because I wouldn’t want anyone going there, but just in case someone should happen to stumble onto it I will review it. This place was horrible, I can’t say that enough. The girls were laughably ugly and the attitude was terrible. They ask 15-30 pesos for 30 minutes and when we declined, they actually tried to charge a 10 peso per person viewing charge and were very upset when we walked out. Lots of verbal abuse when we left. These girls were ugly enough that they should have been paying ME 10 pesos to look at them. They couldn’t have paid me enough to nail one of them. In short, avoid this place like the plague.
563 Tucuman, 1/2 block below Florida on left. – One of the best looking girls seen on the whole trip works here. Vicki, who is very thin and extremely pleasant, she was great. The room I was in had a Jacuzzi type set up that was pretty fun. The other girls working seemed to be the “switch” in the bait and switch. The place is worth a try, but don’t get your hopes up if Vicki isn’t working. 80 pesos for 30 minutes.
975 Esmerelda #9E (Esmerelda y Paraguay) – Not a bad place, hit and miss. 80-100 pesos for 30 minutes. There was some really good looking ones and some not so good looking ones the times I was there. However, everyone was pretty pleasant and very professional about the whole thing. Worth a visit.
Lavalle 1735 #5B – The one girl that was working was good. However there never seemed to be anyone else working and this girl was constantly answering the phone. There was some linguistic fog here and while we never got a chance to try it, it is worth a visit. Be up on your Spanish though cause she speaks a mile a minute and doesn’t do English.
Corrientes 1642 – I found this address on a previous post here but there was no apartment #, if anyone has it can they please post it?
Guemes 3221- I found this address on a previous post here but there was no apartment #, if anyone has it can they please post it?
Rivadavia 1921 - I found this address on a previous post here but this address does not even appear to exist. If anyone has a correction could they please post it?
In summary, BA is a great place once you find out where to go. If anyone knows any apartment addresses that I have not listed, I’m sure other people would appreciate them being posted as well. They appear to be all over and who knows how many places there are. With the dollar being strong (3 to 1), you can get some pretty decent deals. The action is not as concentrated in areas as other places in the world and you have to know where to find the girls.
Boom . . .
You covered a hell of a lot in only 1 week. Congrats.
But did you enjoy yourself? You mention only one woman in that entire post! The rest were just dogs or too expensive? If you have been reading the posts here, you would know that virtually EVERY woman at Catto, Hook, Pipper Pub and Ness will leave for 150 pesos or less. They may ask 200 or 300 but the going price is 150. Trust us. Your lack of Spanish or something else was getting in the way.
Sorry I fucked up those address on Guemes and Rivadavia but I already posted corrections. Rivadavia is 1929 and 1931, not 1921. Same building has two numbers on it. The apartment number I posted previously is correct: first floor #7. They actually use a bunch of apartments but if you ring that buzzer you get the madam. The apt number for Guemes is 2A. Phone 4823-3150. Again I apologize but what do you expect from a Dickhead who never finished high school?
I guess we have to give up on Snot. Oh well, fun while it lasted.
Isn't anybody going to try my Alejandra? 4382-3732. Nice tits, nice ass, nice girl, ten extra pounds but WTF do you want for 30 pesos? Apartment is decent with music.
Prokofiev - Don't get me wrong, I had a blast! Please don't let the straight ahead report fool you. I just wanted to post something that was all gas and no flash. And yes, we covered a hell of a lot in one week trying to hit at least 3 places a day usually getting at least one new girl a day. There are alot of good looking girls there, but there are alot of trolls as well. Looks are subjective so I didn't want to name names and be too specific. BA is fun and anyone will have a good time if they know where to go. As for the expensive places, I knew they would be expensive and I always choose not to mess with places like that. The price would come down for sure, but starting at 300 is a bad sign. Some guys dig the nice places, and more power too them. BA has a bit of everything so it is nice. My friend is fluent in spanish so we had no problems, however, my next trip down I will need to learn a little just to make it somewhat funner.
Dickhead - I did stop by to see your Alejandra, but she was not answering when I rang up from downstairs...bummer. And thanks for the corrected addresses on Rivadavia. But I also tried the corrected address and it appeared nobody was answering. That is why I was wondering if they were correct or not.
At anyrate, I do appreciate everyone's previous posts. I went down there with a checklist and was hoping to add something new. I dug south america and will be back again for sure.
Best to call first at Guemes and also for Alejandra. But that Rivadavia place was supposed to be 24-7 so I don't know WTF.
Jimbehr2000
10-02-03, 03:49
Boom, nice report. I appreciate the gas. You mentioned you went with a Spanish speaker. How difficult is it to visit the Apartments (specifically Santa Fe and Corrientes 1965) without speaking Spanish? I'm curious how you or others feel about this. Also do you have Affaire's address? I've seen two different addresses posted for this club?
Jimbehr, I can't seem to find the address to Affaire. It is pretty close to the other clubs though in Ricoletta and there are always guys passing out flyers around there that do speak english and can tell you.
As for the spanish, I think if you could get down a few key phrases to use at the apartments you would be ok. Alot of the places will buzz you in as soon as you say in spanish, "do you speak english?", on the intercom. Once you are there it is pretty obvious what you are there for. Just learn how to say yes, no, how much and how long and you should be ok if you keep smiling and are nice. with the exception of 1888 Corrientes, everyone was very pleasant and professional. Obviously, the more spanish you learn the funner it is since you can understand. I got a little tired of saying "no comprende" and "no hablo espanol". but, that didn't stop me from doing my business.
Jaimito Cartero
10-02-03, 18:51
It's always amazing when I see guys that have been going to latin countries for years, and can't speak more than a few words. Learning just 20-30 words will make all your negotiating so much easier.
And it's even fun to have a chica teach you more words!
Our options for bars earlier in the day have increased again. There is a new bar that opened this week.
Imagine: 845 Carlos Pelegrini, the service street on the centro side of 9 de Julio, between Paraguay and Cordoba.
This is a small bar, but it opens at 2:00PM. The doorman tells me there are chicas and some kind of show by 3:00PM. I stopped in late, about 2:00AM. There were 4 chicas, and I was the only customer. 2 of the chicas appeared decent. I think the show is girls dancing on the bar, but haven't seen it.
They charged me $15ar for soda, the copa is $20 they say, the doorman says 2 drinks to exit. This is a little high, the same price as Croupier, the other new place on Carlos Pelegrini near Corrientes, about 4 blocks away. It may be possible to negotiate better. They may also have given me a little gringo pricing, but the doorman independently verified the prices.
Imagine is next to the new 2nd location of Monte Carlo, which is cheaper but the chicas are questionable. Exedra Cafe is also about 3 doors down, so there is now a small cluster to check.
These small places may be useful, especially if you know a little Spanish. You will be able to negotiate better deals than at the Recoleta clubs, with both the girls and the bar. Right now, the most striking thing about all these places except the top Recoleta clubs is the lack of customers. There are too many clubs for the customers. These women are starving for business, so deals should be possible. It could be the economy, or just that the prices are too high for the Argentinian wage scales. I see very few foreigners in these places, so that is not a useful source of business. I suspect that eventually there will be some kind of purge as some of these fail. They are not lowering prices generally to attract customers, so they obviously don't understand economics.
I stopped by Hook early last night (WED), about 10:15PM, to see if the early opening(6:00PM) was having an effect. There was practically nobody, male or female, in the club. If they have chicas, it is a very small number. This appears to be some kind of experiment, so this afternoon stuff could all either grow or disappear.
MeGustaBoliches
10-03-03, 14:02
Affaire comments...
1. There are two Affaires....one in Recoleta, the other on Pueyredon (not sure of spelling) not far from Cordoba....the latter is more a club for locals, with one premises sex available....the Recoleta branch is on Guido, just steps from restaurant row.....
2. Affaire Recoleta was closed several months ago, moving its operation next door to Ciceron. Affaire has since reopened and Ciceron is closed. The staff has turned over almost 100%...when I was there in July there were muchos chicas and very few guys....many of the chicas were striking in looks.....Alas, that has changed, at least on the night I visited....there were fewer chicas and an overabudance of gorditas, something of a rarity in BSAS.....expect to buy one drink and to pay a minimum of 150pesos for the girl to leave with you....
Hi all,
I went to Madahos and Affaire (Rec) a few days ago. About 30 girls in Madahos of varying looks. Some high 8s. Did not get quote but 150 pesos is the norm. Only about 15 girls in Affaire and two other guys (2am). No stunners.
Linked up with a Brazilian by the name of Karina. She is about 5 feet 2 with shoulder length brown hair. She apparently has a sister there as well. Karina was pretty drunk, I think and was all over me in the club. A bit of negotiating got the price to 100 pesos for an hour - she was pretty good and so good value. The CBJ was crap though. Quoted me another 100 pesos for another hour and then another 100 pesos for the night. Declined both as busy. Recommended but the girls in Madahos are much better looking.
Hope this is useful......
Hodges
Judd, ...you know I negotiate when possible. I have been going to asia for years so I know the drill. The apartments (on site facilities) are not quite as flexible in that respect though. However, if you go to the clubs the girls that will leave with you are negotiable (but still more expensive). After all is said and done, the apartments are much cheaper since you don't have to buy drinks and pay a cover charge as well. But, some guys just feel more comfortable in a club setting and that is cool, to each his own. Also, when visiting the apt's, you may want to bring your own towel. Some of the places don't really have clean ones. Just a tip.
I am headed to Peru next year, I hope it is as good as BA.
Dear all,
Here is presented just a short thank you of a fine evening, of the Mongers meeting, spent commencing at the generous with his experience, and charming Jackson, at his apartment. There we watched some fine footage of female video casting. Then on to a fine Parilla, where L. (sorry not fure of his handle) generously invited us all prior to his departure from Argentina. Namewise regarding handles, forgive me but I can only mention: Elvis and Andres (love to know how to contact you both via phone and email), both friendly, cool and very informed ( D. was also great to have around but I failed to obtain the op to pick his mind sufficiently).
I ended up breaing my virginity with R. From Affaire, having recieved recommendations on her openess to longer sessions and passion. I must say the the passion was more hers as Bodhi brought her to climax twice (will that be good for my Arffaire reputation :) . There was quite a drama when another girl at Affaire whom I spent some chat with seemed hurt to see me split with another saying: "pero yo mujer buena!". Maybe she is but having a medical procedure done the next day I could not gamble.
Many thanks to the mongers who gave me my baptism in BA and local mongering and more, and a special mention of a classy gentleman: Jackson.
Best Wishes, Bodhi (still in BA)
GettingTang
10-05-03, 02:48
Hello Fello mongers,
Having never traveled to Argentina for mongering duties, I have a few questions. I am a regular monger to the Thai scene. Bangkok and Pattaya. Also, I been to Mexico numerous times. My question is this: How does Argentina compare on the issue of safety. I'm a white dude, 6'2" blonde hair blue eyes. Typical all American dude. Is there a safety concern for myself in Argentina. I have never felt threatened in Thailand, have been hassled a few times in Mexico. What can one expect from Argentina? Lots of corrupt cops? Stabbings, muggings, etc.? How are the medical facilities in the land? And are there decent hotels with modern amenities near the mongering watering holes? Any help is most greatly appreciated. I'm thinking Argentina for my next exploratory trip. Having just done Thailand for the 16th time since 1995 and the Philippines for my frist trip, I'm ready for a change in the flavor of my ice-cream! I am looking for the good, then bad, and the ugly in-between for example stories.
GETTINGTANG~!
Getting Tang: maybe try reading the forum? For example, there is a whole section on hotels.
This guy is a known overpayer ($110 US to get a CD burned in Thailand??) so we don't really need him here in Buenos Aires. Plus who cares how tall he is or what color his hair is.
Suggest doing a search on his past posts before giving him too much encouragement.
GettingTang
10-05-03, 04:10
Dickhead,
Your posts are full of contradictions, I have not the time (at the moment) to point them all out! It's people like you who are the reason why there are 1000 hits on every post before a follow up post is made. Who has the ego I ask? You and Freeler want to privatize this forum to only your own. What for? I have no idea. It's not like you get a kick back on the massive profits.
Anyone who wants to sift through my past posts, I encourage you to do so. You will find them most informative and specifically detailed as is Jackson's guidelines for posting. There are few, where I felt compelled to defend myself, such as here, but all the rest of jam packed with info. See for yourself. Dickhead, your posts are the biggest joke I have read to date on this forum, no specific detailed information, jam packed with criticisms of other posters, countless repeated posts on the same topic I.E. the "NOWHERE BAR" in Cabo (you must be part owner of this fine establishment) Almost all your posts are less then one paragraph and poorly written. Mine are often pages long, filled with useful info and yes, the occasional question. Dickhead you're no contributor to the forum!
PS. it was not a CD burned in Thailand, it was over 1200 files loaded in the exact specific order i wanted, burned onto dozens of CDs. That all worked to perfection!
GETTINGTANG~!
Having heard about the preponderance in B.A. of cheap chica bars, one mentioned: Cafe Iberia, on Avenida de Mayo 1100-1200 block, being near my unreccomendable hotel (hope to move out tomorrow) Mabella, I dropped in for a visit Sunday 2.30 am.
The waiter told me that Saturday night/Sunday morning is a very slow night (that they usually charge $50 per hour) f which 2 where "cute" facewise, 6.5-7`s (How did I get sucked into the rating system?:).
I spoke to the very youngest looking one when she was alone at ther table but got mostly cold and shifty eyes, and then finally a: "Ochenta peso por hora". Even were I to be available for a turno (still recovering from a medical procedure) her attitude was a definite no-no. Perhaps other nights as the waiter said are packed but I need someone like Andres to figure out the body language. There were Argentinian men outnumbering the chicas (some much too old to be called chicas... hehed), but most of them just gossiped and hung out.
Is that what one should expect from Cafe Excedra?
Anyway, I need a job to be able to afford some stunner/performers. We should start a section on how to make money and business in this land...
Ciao for now,
Bodhi
MeGustaBoliches
10-05-03, 06:53
gettingtang,
Hotels: The three most popular hotels for guys like us are (from least to most expensive): Dazzler in Barrio Norte, Etoile, which is in the heart of Recoleta, and ArtSuites which is on the border between Barrio Norte and Recoleta. My strong preference is Art Suites....newer, better decor, etc...68dollars a night, plus tax with a 10% discount for cash. Ask for a double and you will not be hassled about visitors.
Mayra at Argentinago.com can set you up and tell you about other options as well. Also, per Dickhead's suggestion, see the section on hotels.
Safety: All of Latin America is not the same. Buenos Aires is not Mexico. For a large city, crime in BA is low especially if you stay in the better parts of town....just do the usual precautionary things and remain alert. You mention stabbings and such. Interestingly, the rate of violent crime in BsAs is lower than for many U.S. cities, such as Detroit or Miami.
Excedra and Iberia are very similar and in fact many of the girls move from Excedra (and Orleans) to Iberia as the night wears on. I do apologize for all my short, poorly written, and uninformative posts and will try to do better in the future.
Bodhi,
I spoke to the very youngest looking one when she was alone at ther table but got mostly cold and shifty eyes, and then finally a: "Ochenta peso por hora". Even were I to be available for a turno (still recovering from a medical procedure) her attitude was a definite no-no. Perhaps other nights as the waiter said are packed but I need someone like Andres to figure out the body language. There were Argentinian men outnumbering the chicas (some much too old to be called chicas... hehed), but most of them just gossiped and hung out.
Is that what one should expect from Cafe Excedra?
Very definitely not, either from Orleans. All of these cafes are hit and miss at on any given day and at any time during the day. Attitudes have no place in our hobby. Just be patient and you will find that a lot of girls are very suitable to you from the cafes.
Many girls are still very close to me that I have met over the last four years from these cafes. They are good friends, and keep in touch on a regular basis.
Enjoy the life, :)
Moondog
GettingTang
Dickhead (together with Saint, Andres and a couple of others) is one of the best, funniest and most interesting posters on this board. While he definitely goes for the lower end of the market, his posts have entertained and informed many of us.
Instead of coming on here and immediately flaming someone, and instead of encouraging people to read your past posts, why dont YOU start reading the previous posts on this board and you will discover all the information you need about Argentina, some of it probably posted by Dickhead.
Magic Hat.
I've posted this before, but note that UNlike Orleans and Excedra, Iberia has NO action during the day. It is a "normal" restaurant until 11PM or midnight. BTW it is open 24-7. Most of the women there are below even my minimal standards but that is true of Orleans and Excedra as well.
I found about 95% of the women at Orleans and/or Excedra, night or day, to be undoable hags. The mean age is definitely older (some 40-45). Having said that, there are gems to be had there. That other 5% can be real nice, and I've had some good times with girls from these places. Hit or miss though.
Getting Tang --- Buenos Aires is one of the most fabulous city's in the world --- If you like good food, fine wine, great hotels and beautiful women then your heading for the right place --- You can make B's A's anything you want it to be --- I personally have several "working girls" I consider my friends --- Having spent a year in the Orient Im not a big fan of "gook's", so its Latin America for me --- But one thing, Don't Knock Dickhead, he's sorta our mascot on this board --- Yes I don't agree with every thing he posts, but even still his information is of great value especially to those lower end customers such as a Dickhead would be --- I'll bet Dickhead can have more fun for less money than any of us --- So ask any question and one of us will step up and help you, because thats what this forum is all about --- Helping mongers get laid with the least possiable brain damage --- Exon
[Maria]
Let's review the algebra:
V = Q / P where
V= value, Q = quality, and P = price.
And, Q = M where M = María
Simplifying:
V = María
[Maria]
Your in Love You Dickhead
well dickhead,
obviously you do not know any alegbra. but you did not cancel out the P. So dickhead, V = M (or Q)/ P. If P = one, then you can cancel out the P. But obviously a woman would not accept one dollar, and if P= zero, which I doubt you got for free, V = positive infiniti, which I doub't anyone would every agree too. Please dickhead, do not bring algebra to this message board, especially if you don't know any.
I knew all that. Just go see María and she will not only cancel out your P, she will cancel out your PeePee. Actually you cannot divide by zero; the answer is undefined, not positive infinity. So nyah. But in this case it is P that is undefined, cuz after you see her once, you can pay her whatever you feel like. I am not in love but I hate to see her go to waste.
So I suggest combining the mass of her ass with the direction of your erection because the angle of the dangle will blow your shit away.
But I promise not to use any more algebra. We'll go for integral calculus next time to calculate the area under all of her many curves.
Amantelondres
10-05-03, 19:27
Has anyone struck lucky with the little blonde babe behind the bar at Periplo?
Respect to "double-life" restaurant/bars, I would appreciate if any monger can visit the place located at Ayacucho St between Arenales St and Juncal St (close to the corner of Ayacucho and Juncal). I cannot go there since several friends live very close.
The place is a normal restaurant during the day but displays color neon lights at night.
Andres
I made my first trip to Buenos Aires last weekend and absolutely loved every minute. I was traveling with two friends and, as we had had a truely excellent time in Rio the previous weekend, we had set our standards high.
Friday night was a bit of a bust. We were supposed to meet a fellow monger from the office at 1:30am but he had travel problems and didn't show. Earlier in the evening, we'd visited Madahos (plenty of girls worth pulling) and Playwoman (none worth pulling) but since we had plans, we left without any company expecting to be back. After we gave up on Pablo, it was late, we were too tired to fight about drinks at clubs, so, given that it was next door to our hotel, one of my friends and I thought we'd give Cafe Excedra a visit. Most of the ladies were below standard, but we found two that were acceptable and had a good time with them. In their early 20's, Laura (my choice) was tall, cute, and slender) while Dolores (my friend's choice) was short, cute, and round. They tried the dollars, not pesos, game with us along with overnight meaning 5am, but reading WSG had prepared us for these tactics and we were able to come to an mutually acceptable agreement. We overpaid (300 pesos each for three hours) and they underperformed (CBJ) but you couldn't have chiseled the grins off our faces the next morning.
Laura's body was a bit soft around the edges and she insisted on a CBJ, but these only slightly distracted from an otherwise enjoyable experience. I must have enjoyed myself since when I saw them in Excedra a couple of days later, I pulled both of them for a threesome. Dolores was not as cute and carried a few extra pounds but had nice, big soft tits, a tight pussy, and really gets into it. It didn't measure up to a threesome I'd had the previous weekend with two blond sisters in a Rio therma but it was still pretty good.
On Saturday night, we had arranged through Roxana for extended dates (drinks, dinner, and overnight stay) with Laura (argentiaprivate), Libia (argentinaprivate), and Romyna (platynum). All three ladies were wonderful companions and we were quite happy with our choices. Romyna was my choice and I can report that her passion and performance matched the promise of her absolutely incredible body. BBBJTC, DFK, and all the other characteristics of a full GFE. Highly recommended. BTW, her tits were so big and firm that I suspected that they were enhanced but was not the case. Great nipples to go with them. Most impressive.
Libia is a real pistol and was quite amusing at dinner. She taught herself English by watching TV and must have a great ear as she sounds like she is from the Midwest (but fortunately doesn't act that same way). How many girls other girls in Argentina know the correct use of the word "pecker"? She comes across as a sexual wild woman and we feared for our friend's health but he reported that she was more subdued in in private. Wonderful, but not as wild her talk had led us to expect Highly recommended by my friend.
My friends and I don't speak much Spanish so most of the evening's conversation was in English. That might have been why Laura (not to be confused with Laura from Excedra) was so quiet. Despite not saying much, she was excellent company and outstanding eye candy. She may have the sexiest eyes I've ever seen and a lovely smile to go with them My other friend had a huge grin on his face the next day so I think it's safe to assume that she was more than satisfactory.
The cost was 500 pesos each for about 12 hours.
On Sunday night we went over to Jackson's, met a couple of his friends, had dinner, and checked out the clubs. We had a nice time but we pretty tired and didn't pull any girls from the clubs (although I regret passing up a really cute girl I saw in Affaires). When I got back to the hotel, I cruised by Excedra, saw Laura and Delores, and, as mentioned earlier, took both of them for myself. My opening offer was 200 pesos for Laura but she upsold me to 300 pesos for both of them (2 hours). The hotel wouldn't let me take two girls up to my room but I dragged one of my friends out of bed to bring one in.
Jackson showed us one of his audition tapes that had Patricia from argentinaprivate on it. She'd looked cute in her pictures but I really liked the way she looked on the tape and had read a glowing review by Grshell so she was #1 on the list of ladies I sent to Roxana for a date on Monday night. She was able to arrange it and Patricia showed up at 10pm for a two hour stay (I was leaving at 4am or I would have kept her all night). She is cute, funny, and loves sex. Hiding under her bra are two of the nicest tits and nipples to be found on the planet. DFK and BBJTC were both on the menu and I had a great time. I had 11 different girls over two weekends on this trip and they were all terrific but she's the one I think back to most often. 250 pesos plus cab fare and a 100 peso tip (foolishly generous but what the hell).
Put Laura, Libia, Romyna, and Patricia on your must see list. They are certainly all on mine.
Nothing in BA matches Ipanema Beach and Help Disco in Rio as experiences but the terrific ladies we encountered and the sophistication of the city gives BA the edge in my book.
By the way, change all your pesos before leaving Argentina. The exchange rate is terrible once you leave as nobody seems to want them.
Regards, Bill
Jaimito Cartero
10-06-03, 05:05
GettingTang - In the different parts of WSG I find that the Argentina forum is different in style. Jackson is often in BA, and most of the people who post here have met at least a few other Mongers.
When I went in June, it was almost like a club. Elvis would call and we'd go out for lunch, and then explore an apartment together. Mickey Mouse called and we'd meet up for dinner. We'd go over to Jacksons and check out his new project, and then check the clubs together. Meet Exon with Fabiona at a restaurant, plus many other great encounters in 6 days there!
While I did meet a few guys in Thailand in August and September, I can only remember a couple of names. Other than one meet at a bar, I didn't do anything with them.
I've never met Dickhead, but I've found his posts pretty interesting. I can't think of someone who posts in Argentina that I don't like, and that's amazing!
The chicas are a bit more expensive, but I've had some super nice encounters in BA. Perhaps it's because I speak enough Spanish to get by on, or because it's a late night town. I just love being able to go to a 2am movie on a Tuesday night!
So, don't flame on poor Dickhead much. He's missing his girl, and seems to be having withdrawals.
Jaimito Cartero
10-06-03, 05:07
Andres, don't you have a disguise to put on? I have a Green Bay Packers "Cheese-Head" hat that I could bring for you next time. I mean, who would even notice you with a huge cheese hat, right?
Boxing Rule 222
10-06-03, 15:21
Hello People,
I have been in Busnoes Aires for a couple of weeks. I have met gentleman Jackson and it was great going out to the clubs with him. Any mongers that wouldlike to hang out email me Iwill be in Buenos Aires for about 2 more weeks.
Thanks
Boxinrule222@yahoo.com
Boxing rule 222,
Give us a call we are staying at he "monger pad" at Parera 156 tele # 4815-0637 ask for JR. We also had a great meal with Senior Jackson and listened to his stories and elderly advise. Looking forward to the Greek dinner on Tuesday.
Well here goes a little report on our trip to-date and Iguazu Falls. First of all the back drop. We arrived on Thursday afternoon into BA. We had made all of our BA arrangements thru Maria. We found the transfer to the hotel waiting at the airport and found the apartment at Parera 156 to be clean and nice. After a trip to he supermarket at which we purchase large quanities of alcohol and snacks. (Bring you own booze if you like high end alcohol for the duty-free shop not only cheaper better selection NO CROWN ROYAL). We were worried about not having argentina $ but elected to shop anyway. Found-out the mastercard /visa as well as the good old US $ works. They had a young man walk with us with a large cart 6 blocks to deliver the goods. We planned the night with two pre-arranged ladies thru Roxanne that worked out UNREAL. Dinner and whatever, Libia and Laura, will post pictures later after Jackson shows me how. Next night dinner with J and intro to the fray. We took two ladies that J helped arrange a swap agreement with for $200 a.r.
Next day to the falls. First we were not told that there are two different airports and we arrived at the local one with American standards for early arrival, could have slept much longer it is 10 minutes from the pad. 1 hour40 minute flight to the Falls. Staying at Sheraton International in the park. First thing we did was take a cab. Talked to the driver and rented him for the rest of the day and night. We were told by the Motel that we must have a Brazilian visa to fo to the Brazilian side and it would take many hours on a business day and be $150.00 U.S. found out it is B:S: cab took us to the falls on the Brazil side (Unreal) and we went to the Argentina side for dinner. Asked for Chica,s he asked do you want quality? We said hell yes.Told that it was Sunday and that the clubs were closed but he knew of some houses with girls on the Brazil side. All we need was to go to one and !5 girls were marched out for our preview. After some talk with cab driver and the madam agreement of $80.00 U.S. for 3 hours. Took ladies to motel with no questions by anyone an the Argentina side. Ladies were 18-22 years old and were 5 to 8 on my scale. GREAT body BBJG and all sex I wanted. Well there is Chica,s at the Falls.
Tonight to Brazil side to clubs. Will report.
Rent One
Exon, not for nothin but "Gooks"? I hate to ask whats next.
Hi guys,
Boxing Rule 222,
A couple of fellows have emailed me who will be arriving in town. By the weekend, there should be at least 6-8 guys. It might be easiest for interested parties to meet in the lobby of the Hotel Etoile between 9:00 and 10:00pm. I will be in town this Thursday, and will drop by the hotel around this time. I´m in my mid-thirties, thin with brown hair, and some people say I look similiar to Judd Nelson/Charlie Sheen...insert witty Dickheadish comment here ___________! Should be a fun time. With this many mongers in town, another "Clarin Experiment" might be in order.
I want to thank Dickhead for his "contradicting no specific detailed reports", from which, I learn so much from. Your a mongering icon!
Late,
Judd
Jaimito Cartero
10-07-03, 16:00
Two "weekend" sales to EZE.
United has $439 fares from Boston.
American has $539 fares from JFK.
You can stay 5 to 7 days on these. Purchase by this Friday. Plus taxes and various fees.
Hey Easy Go,
I see where you had an encounter with Romyna. She is one that is definitely pulling me in the direction of Argentina. There is also anothe (Romina) on one of the sites. She does not speak any English. Romyna (your favorite) apparently speaks some English according to her website. Based upon your report I get the feeling her pictures are not doctored. Is she like the photos on her site?
After seeing the pictures of Maru posted by another punter compared to the ones on the website I was begining to reconsider visiting Argentina. Please tell me Romyna's pictures are for real.
Safe Punting!!
Jimbehr2000
10-08-03, 01:13
Rent One, Im doing the Falls tomorrow and I dont have a visa either. Were you able to go into Brazil antime day or nite? Im a little nervous about it but I want to go to Brazil. I hope to visit Vera´s while Im there. I´ll be staying in Puerta Iguazu town at the St. George. Hope its not a dump.
Will be staying at Etoile 10-9, 10-10, and 10-11. I´ll try to hit the Etolie lobby from 9-10PM those nights, too. Hope to see some of you guys. I have spent two nights here and I must say BA is awesome- it far exceeded my expectations.
Actually, you can also take a flight from NYC (LGA) for up to 10 days. Oct 13-23. USD 498.90 tax included. Good deal.
to jimbehr2000: at Iguazu our cab driver arranged for entry into Brazil without a visa for a small fee (I think about 20 pesos). Ask at your hotel.
Fresh from the oven (to quote one of Andres´ posts):
had lunch at cafe Exedra (Avda Cordoba 999 esq Pellegrini). There were like a 99% of businessmen there, nothing to pick up at that time (probably too early anyway).
Went to Avda Corrientes 1965, 13th floor, door 13B, to check the place. I was led to a very small secluded kind of waiting room (10 square feet) and were introduced to the girls. Three were available and I decided to go with Lorena (dark blonde, pretty back) for an half hour (50 AR$). We moved to the nextdoor appartment 13C. She did BBBJ, DFK, GFE (for that short time really amazing). It became a satisfying one-shot followed by some 10 Minutes of cuddling and cariños.
She really sucked my mouth dry, very good XP to be repeated.
Scorpio
(and I think I paid a gringo price, to be honest...)
Tachyon,
Romyna is the real deal and her pictures on platynum are not doctored. Her English is good and you won't have any trouble having a regular conversation with her. Her body is damn near perfect and she is wild in private. A bit more provocative in her dress than I expected but relatively reserved in public (at least compared to Libia).
All three of the ladies on argentinaprivate looked good in their pictures but were even better in person. The camera is least kind to Patricia (my personal favorite of my whole trip to Brazil and Argentiana) who brings with her an energy and sexual connection that I've seldom encountered. I could go back for a month, see only Romyna, Patricia, Laura, and Libia, and go home a very happy (and tired) man.
I can't wait to get back.
Bill
Technically you need a visa to enter Brazil if you're American. This means that you can't depend on getting in without one, so try but don't bank on it. The Argentine side of the actual falls is better but the town is dead, NO nightlife! That's only on the Brazilian side in the city of Foz.
Amantalondres-
She's definitely in the game. She's a little on the cold/hard side (though you'd never guess it from the way she is when she's not in the bedroom) for being so young... she loves daty and can have repeated orgasms (or so she likes to fake it - I couldn't tell)... and she prefers the youth and looks types vs. the age and money types.
She'll hook up with who she takes a liking to, after the bar closes, but only for a few hours until she'll need to return by her pre-hired remis to her apartment and dog.
This is my first post here so take it easy. Stayed in BA for 10 days. Stayed at Saint's Liberstad apartment. Very nice pad. Highly recommended!
Made early arrangement with Mayra to be pickup at the EZE airport. Got there and found an older gentleman holding a sign with my name on it. In my rusty Spanish I introduced myself and we were on our way! I tried to give a tip but he ademantly refused.
Got to the apartment. Met with Mayra and close out the finanical matter and check-in. Unpacked and settled in with a beer. Checked in with Roxanna for my noon appointment.
Bibianna from Playtynum arrived and she is as pictured. Very nice boob job. Provided BBBJ and energetic GFE sex as expected.
Went out and do the tourist thing for about a few hours. Got back for my second appointment. Lau from Gemidos showed up. She is not really my type (just a bit too streetlike) but she was accommodating. Provided BBBJ and energetic sex but I would not call it GFE.
Went out that night and got a girl from Cafe Exedra. Too much vino tinto so could not remember her name. She was a blond Brazilian with some tattoos and she is in her late 20s. Howver, she does it like a rabbit and was quite accommodating through all hours of the night. I passed up on her friend b/c she was just plain old ugly!
Next day, meet up with another girl from Gemidos (Guillermina). She was just too young (19) and too damn sweet. I actually felt a bit guilty. Took her our later for lunch and both her a pair of shoes! Very nice GFE experience overall.
Later in the evening I meet up with Dulce from Platynum (her picture is no longer there now). Damn she was smoking when she walked into the room. Very pretty and fun girl. I hated for her to leave and told her that we would meet up the following week. I like this one quite a bit!
I rested up the night at the casino in Puerto Madera and recouperated. No action
Next night I met up with Andres who showed me around at the local incall establishments. Very knowledgeable and friendly guy in this area. Good contact for local play resources!
Later in the evening I stopped by the Colmega to sample in famous VIP massage. Very nice rub but nothing to write home about.
Went to Solid Gold and chit-chatted with the pretty bartenders. Tried to ask one of the bartenders out for dinner but was shot down. Did not seen any interesting gal so I went to Madahos. Was about to pickup a cute blond but some mongers beated me to it and she was gone. Ended up with her ugly friend, so I left emptyhanded to Black.
At Black I noticed a cute gal with braces at the bar near me. I spoke with her in my rusty Spanish. With her face toward the lights from the bar, I realized that she is quite attractive with a great body (see Patricia004). She is about 21 year old and is half Brazillian and Argentinian. She seems to have a thing for Asian guys (I found out later that her novio is a Korean guy from one of her friends). Took her back to my place and had some fun in the apartment. She danced and danced. Then we danced onto the bed. Her body is totally incredible but the performance was not up to my standard. She is a bit too tame for my taste...I need more energetic kind of gals. She taugh me some phrases in Spanish and Portugese. Sent her off next morning.
The next several days I spent most of my evenings with Dulce. Sorry no report here.
Some times this week I met up with Mayra, Roxana, Jackson, and a few other for lunch. The food was excellent and so was the commany!
One night I went back to Black. I picked up the cousin of Lana. I forgot her name so let say X. X was quite accommodating and we did it all night long. A couple days later I met up with Lana. Brazilian girls are funny, they love to dance. Lana danced and danced. She was also great in the sack. BBBJ and play until you drop is her motto!
Spent my last night in BA with Dulce. Sorry no report here. Overall BA is a great place to visit. I love it and will come back.
Cal
Amantelondres
10-09-03, 19:12
leo
Many thanks.......i guess that I stand a 50% chance based on looks and age!! Will be there next month so will give her a go!!! I must say that I've been going to Periplo for several years now and nearly always struck lucky around 10 pm. Speaking Spanish certainly helps.
Here's a couple more addresses for you sick fuckers:
Laprida 947 (1 block from Córdoba); threesomes allegedly available.
916 Rivadavia; 6 girls in the 35-40 peso per hour range. A big house that's been subdivided, but there's only one door.
I haven't been to either of these, but they came from a local source I deem reliable. Andrés may have posted about them but I don't think so. Check 'em out if you got the guts.
Be careful out there.
Oh, yeah, Unc, Romney wasn't born in Cuba but in Chihuahua, Méjico (inside joke).
Two months and 29 days.
David 1967 aka Lollipopman
I met Mr. Jackson from a fellow hobbyist I had met in trip buddies section on another website. He asks me to write little about the information I have on Buenos Aires. The following are my notes with an expanded explanation. A little about me, 36 years old I work in the field of education and I am in the army national guard. I admit I have been over spending as I am waiting to be call to active service to deployment or Kosovo or the Persain Gulf. I take five to seven trips a year (February third week, Easter week, July, August, thanksgiving week, Veterans Day weekend, Memorial Day weekend). I discovered BA by accident. Due to my unit’s activation for security missions around New York I missed keeping my Gold status on American Airlines by about 8,000 miles so I bought a ticket to BA (it was the cheapest ticket available) to do a mileage run for a weekend. I had such a good time I have been back five times since my first trip.
My previous experience has been in Haiti and the Dominican Republic. I have been to the Dominican Republic twenty-five times since my first trip in August 1999. I keep notes on the best places I have been too. If I don’t enjoy a place I usually remember it. I only take pictures of the girls I like so if you see my album you know she has been good for me. I am a creature habit If I had a good time at a place I always return until I have a bad time or I find something better and cheaper. I usually see the same girls over and over again, no three-time rule for me. I have the f**k up rule. You f**k up with me we are through. I am very unforgiving, there are just too many girls to try out to go back to problems.
There are girls in the DR I have been fucking for almost four years.
My type of girl: I like them “ghetto girls”-very poor women with children who have no choice of profession. Girls with no education and nothing go on in their lives. (Do not confuse this for “loser” they are not. It is due to their supporting a family and the social-economic conditions 0f their country puts them in a tight spot.) I get rid of the girls with poor hygiene, bad manners, and poor attitude, don’t look happy, don’t smile, and don’t treat others kindly.
My type of place: I like a place with space to sit down, relax, move around and see the girls, and enough light to see them with. I don’t want to be hassled to buy girls drinks or people selling other things. I’m only here to buy pussy and anything that interferes with it is a distraction. The two places that best fit my requirements are Madhos and Affaire. Right now I am presently going to Affaire and when I finish doing all the girls I want I will move on to Madhos.
I will write about Affaire because I spent the most time in that places. I was in Affaire in June, July, August, and September. I would say a total of 60 days more or less.
My mode of operation is based on my experiences in the DR, teaching English as a second language classes, and teaching in the mandatory welfare program. I have learned through experience to treat these women like children. First two nights I walked into Affaire, I didn’t smile, laugh, talk to anyone, I just watched and took notes (I have a note pad with me because I am lousy with names) with a stern face. Anyone that approached me I would introduce myself to them and when they ask for a drink I would give a stern no! and shoo them away in quickly. I didn’t tip anyone (bar tenders, front door guy, waitresses etc.). I was a real asshole for three days but from the end of June to September, no girls bugged me to buy them drinks, no one bugged me for tips, and no girls approached me without me asking for them (except for the new girls and I am working on them). We Americans don’t know this but in this part of the world it is better to be known as an asshole than it is to be nice. If I did this in New York I would never get laid. Trust me when I say these argentine men treat their women much rougher.
In terms of price I do not negotiate with girls. I dictate what I am willing to pay. I have one price structure 100ps for an hour, 150ps for two hours, 200ps for all night (I never take a girl all night as I snore and the girls never get any rest then are to tired to do anything in the morning), and 50ps if we make a movie/pictures (I mean a video taping with light, sex toys etc), 30-50ps fuck you in the ass (deepens on how I feel, usually give the fifty because I have them play with my but plugs and other anal toys). I never pay extra for taking just pictures. This means I tend to overpay for the average looking girls and I am underpaying for the real good-looking girls. The best looking girls in the place are always happy to take 100ps for an hour. It has been the average looking girls that have asked for big money (150ps). My theory is that Argentine men are paying less to the average looking thus those girls are very busy and don’t want to be bothered with me unless I pay more. While the good looking girls demand 100ps and more thus are less busy and have fewer potential customers.
I remember one night one argentine guy was complaining the girls were being bitches because no one would take his 60 ps. I usually give them 5-10ps for cab fare if they I had a really good session (My apartment is across the street from the club).
Let me mention the issue about time. If a girl likes you and or is having a good time an hour is the same as an hour and a half. I have had over thirty different girls and only encountered four girls were time was an issue. Three of those girls were absolutely worthless, the fourth wanted and extra 25ps to pay a bar fine. I think she was bullshitting me, but 25ps for an extra hour is not something to complain about. Most of my dates were running an hour and 15-20 minutes total time only the four above had an issue with time. (The apartment I rented was across the street from the club). I have had to ask the girls many times, when are you going? We finish when I am finished.
I need to mention some of the games the girls like to play. First one is the misunderstanding price game. “I thought you meant 100 dollars, 100pesos is a little money”. When you hear this laugh and open the door. She has one choice your price or nothing do not even give cab fare. Danila played this game the first time I met her (Other girls like this game too). Yes, the same girl I recommended below. When they see they will end up with nothing they relent. The girls like introduce me to their, “sister or cousin” for a threesome, but I know for a fact no one there is related to each other.
Affaire is busy Thursday through Saturday. If you come to pick up women these days start early 2300hrs or come late 0230hrs. The local guys come in about 0000hrs feel these girls up for about 3 hours then they go home for the most part. A few girls get taken out. They tend to return about 0300 if you like sloppy seconds. You know when to come back. The management allows the girls to leave about 0400hrs (Thursday to Saturday). They leave about 0300HRS Sunday to Wednesday. You can see their boyfriends in the lobby at about 0400-0430hrs (Thursday-Saturday). Sunday to Wednesday is a dead period. These are good days to come along and get to know the women. It is better to start late as the better-looking girls do not show up until 0000hrs. They all pretend to like each other. Do not be fooled it is very competitive. They badmouth each other to me and tell me all the gossip. Do not tell one girl what you do not want the whole place to know. They love to gossip, I know what other Americans pay in the club and what they like etc.
The girls love flowers. I know an old guy on Paraguay (one block off Florida) that sells some nice flowers cheap. Make him give you some free flowers if you buy a lot. You could buy a large bunch of roses on Santa Fe for 20ps and have them you give extra rapping and then break it up into about three separate bunches. The price I pay is well worth it to see the expression on the faces of the front door people when we return. I buy a box of chocolates, take out all of them (Put them in the refrigerator) but three. This way I can offer chocolates without a girl eating them all. You can tell a lot about a girl’s manners. Do they take without asking? Do they at least leave one for you?
I am going to go out on a limb and recommend some girls from that club. Some of these girl have already have been mentioned in the post here. I pick girls for there attitude, and how good I think the sex will be first, before I look at how attractive they are. You have been warned. Mr. Jackson can tell you from the pictures and video they maybe average looking but they sure can f**k. I give oral sex but don’t care if I receive it therefore I can’t tell you to much about their oral skills.
First is Danila she is a real pro. You sit down with her first and discuss what you want and the price BEFORE YOU DO ANYTHING THE FIRST TIME. After the first time she is a real sweetheart. She is available all hours, as she has no kids. She is a little self-centered but the sex is real good. She took a dildo in her ass no girls could ever take. Great anal sex with her. She is a medium build girl but don’t be fooled she works out at the gym in my notes, that is muscle on her.
Next is Shanell a 18 year old with a tight pussy. I never thought a girl in this profession could have such a tight pussy. She has a great attitude and one of the really good-looking girls I date. She loves to dance so dance with her first before you take her home. Dolly is an older Paraguayan woman. You have to kick her out of your room to get rid of her-great sex will do anything except anal.
If you like big girls Lorena is big and great sex she is very popular despite a lack of an abundance of beauty. She will tell you two hundred pesos if you ask. She will be happy with a hundred.
There used to be a belly dancer named Vicky who I have not seen since July 2003. She has her picture posted in this board and will happly take 100ps for an hour. You see her in the club you grab her and you post me a message.
Another girl you might see is Zelene. She is an older argentine woman. I didn’t plan to date her but when you sit in the same bar 22 days straight and a girl almost always has a date I need to see what the fuss is about. She won’t win any beauty contests but is one of the best fucks in the whole place. You have trouble with an erection she is the one to see. She wants to a guy to pay for two hours and is well worth it.
I enjoy Affaire because it plays to my strengths but it is not the best bang for your buck. You pay 20 to get in, 25 for her drink, and then you pay for the girl. The independent girls on the Internet from what Mr. Jackson showed me are the best bargain. The have more free time for you, all your money is going to her directly, and if she likes you, you should get a cheaper price and more services. I have been to almost all the club and I don’t Affaire is the best, but, “I would rather rule in hell than serve in heaven.” Affaire is my hell.
Mr. Jackson asked me to mention apartments since I rent apartments in town. In my experience renting an apartment is the way to go. I usually stay in the Recoleta area. I have looked into staying at an hotel but they are expensive in the Recoleta area. Generally these apartment site work like this: They are listed on the internet when you see what you like you e-mail them, they e-mail you the total cost (rent, commission, maid service etc). They may want a deposit sent to them by Western Union. My recommendation is that you call them direct tell them what you want and pay the total price when you see the apartment if you only staying short time. If you like what they have to offer you can leave a desposit for next time. These places deal in cash (No doubt to avoid the taxman) so there is a trust issue. The up side is they are cheaper than hotel, no one to tell you whom you can bring into your room, more privacy (People hear tend to mind their own business), you can cook meals, and the apartments are better than some hotels. The down-side, some girls may be leery of coming to an apartment, the security of these places vary (Most places could not stop a sophisticated criminal), and no one to back you up if you have problems with a girl (Hotel will throw them out).
Sites I have used or have been recommended to me:
I would also like to recommend e-fax.com. You can sign up at their site for a free message/fax number. It is a great number to give girls to call you in the US. They can fax you a message or leave voice mail that is sent to your computer. When they call for money I just pretend never to have received it.
My best advice I can give for new guys is find guys to hang out with when you come in country. I find the most knowledgeable whoremongers do not post. You can only get their information when you meet them.
You have any questions or need information don’t hesitate to post it and I will respond as best I can. Looking forward to seeing everyone at the thanksgiving party.
David1967
Below are my rough notes –some have been deleted to protect the guilty.
BUENOS AIRES NOTES
CONTENTS
CONTACTS
WINE STORES
RESTARANTS
APARTMENTS
CLUBS
TAXI/TRANSPORTATION
BARS
AFFAIRE GIRLS
MUSEO
ALTERNATE HOTELS
CHECK OUT NEXT TIME
SHOPPING MALLS
US PHONE NUMBERS
GIRLS
RULES OF AFFAIRE
RULES OF THE ROAD
MASSAGE PLACES
CONTACTS
WINE STORES
My best advice you go to the Winery and you try until you find what you like, then try all the different stores as they all recommend base on what they sell and have on stock. You should be able to come up with a variety that you like. like sweet/semi-sweet wines like Saint fleicen. Saint fleicen is a very sweet wine (desert wine?).
Ligier-you get advice based on what they have to offer. Check out each store as the inventory changes and varies by store. They do a good job of packing if you tell them it has to go on a plane.
TtE. Gal. J. D. Peron 1621
Av. Callo 1111
Av. Santa Fe 800
Montevideo 218
Av. Santa Fe 3441
Av. Rivadavia 4995
Winery-serves sandwiches has people that speak english can taste wines large selection, good prices for what I buy.
Av.del Libertador 500 4325-5200(Here two guys speaks english)
Ave. Del Libertador 5100 4774-1190
Av. L. N. Alem 880
Village Pilar Panamericana Km. 50
RESTARANTS
Munich –Robert M. Ortiz 1879 place to try looks fancy
Campo dei Fiori- Venezuela & Santa fe
Grants 1125 Junin- tenedor libre
Lola-guido & Junin 4802-3023/4804-5959
Delive-Lee chinese food –M. T. Alvear 1735-good food here take out
Zipane-M. T. Alvear 818 4311-2930/3803- pizza place, good pizza and empanadas
El Palacio De la Papa Frita-lavalle 735/954, av. Corrientes 1612
Empanadas Caseras-av. Las Heras 1958, 4803-1122
La Caballeriza-Vincente Lopez 2024 4806-3262 favorite steak place cook with wood a different taste.
La Strada-Village Recoleta Vincente Lopez 2008-good pizza had good dinner didn’t like empanadas.
This is a partial list of restaurant s that have been recommended to or I have eaten at their place. I have yet to go to a place I can say, “Don’t go there”.
APARTMENTS
Cuidad De La Paz 428-70ps hr place as told to me from another source.
Cabildo 1182-reported to be dogs?? From another source.
2036 Santa Fe-?? I heard about this place the address only
Larrea 1072 piso 1- 120ps-180 ps(CULO) cross street is near cordoba-supermarkets are near by. I assume the rest of the place is very nice from what I saw. Girls are dressed up real pretty. I just didn’t take anyone that time I was there. Cross street is near codoba
French 2254- 100ps did not see anyone I wanted. Therefore madam wanted 30 ps for the privalage of seeing four girls. I told her to go fuck herself in English and Spanish. I know guys swear by this place so check it out and you have been warned. Cross street is a few bolcks from codoba. Near a nice gym
Laprida 947 80ps completo-bbbj good service from two different girls. Both would not let me take picture of them with their clothes on. Bring a towel IF YOU WANT TO SHOWER FIRST. Their towels are the size of wash clothes. Nice friendly place a little on the dumpy side. Cross Street is cordoba
Eemeralda 973 apt 9e 4313-3419/4315-9411/4312-2356-favorite apartment need to push for new prices/quality of girls has declined somewhat from last trip. The girls at this place change rapidly I always go and find something new.
Esmeralda 973 apt1C-girls look sickly-I avoid this place
Tucuman 563-girls were ugly 50ps girls at best. (Sunday visit)
1707 Santa Fe 3rd floor 100ps hour girls look pretty had andrea not good for me. Nothing special for me.
Larrea 882- 40ps hour two girls both cute one chubby, my kind of girls. Place is a real dump. Return February trip
4954-2763 apartment not many girls because of Easter could be my kind of place.
CLUBS
Salome-3401 cordoba places with no entrance fee but I paid more for bottle water than other places 15ps. When I asked the guys the price he told me 100ps for and hour and 200ps for two hours was too much. There is a quicky hotel about two blocks away. Not my kind of place but you should see for yourself.
Affaire-guido 1967-affairenight.com.ar-see report above
Café Orleans-499 Cordoba (at Florida) Juan is the thin small waiter. //GOOD PLACE TO MEET GUYS
TAXI/TRANSPORTATION
TAXI-5238-0000
Taxi-4942-5646/4941-9666
Manuel Tienda Leon-bus service to and from airport every half hour on the hour/free service to largest mall in town.
Retri Bus Station Ramos Mejia 1680 4310-0700
Estacion Constitution Gral. Hornos 11. 4304-0028/31
Ezeiza airport 5480-61111/4480-0224
Buquebus 4316-6500
Ferrylineas Maipu 866 4311-4700
American Airlines Suipacha 1111/ Santa Fe 881 main# 4318-1111 4310-9999//4c30t78
Air Sea Land Maipu 566 piso 7f 4322-0016/4327-2730-travels for the interior
Remises le coq 4964-2000-got a rate of 25ps to the airport from recoleta.
BARS
Buller brewing company Pte. R. Oritz 1827-has direct tv, had good food only one visit
THE KILKENNY M. T. Alvear 399 bar for americans
Deep Blue-Ayacho 1240, Reconconquista 920-bar with pool table- a hip place.
Filo- San Martin 975 bar
Henry J. Bean-Junin 1749- good bbq ribs,hamburgers with bacon, puts salt on french fries,ficken fingers, has direct tv but no football.
AFFAIRE GIRLS
MUSEO
Museo De Armas-Av. Santa Fe 702 esq. Maipu-Tuesday-Friday 1400-1900 HRS
BRING NEXT TIME
Lollipops-treat the girls like children
Aluminum foil/tupperware-nothing kinky for the leftover to bring to my apartment
English programs/books for andrea
Brugal ron
Umbrella
Calculator
MISC PLACES
Compumundo-cabildo 2075, Sant Fe 2048, COMPUTER STORE.
Diki-libertad 1157 4812-5695, good candy store has some of my favorites candies
El Viejo Almacen- av. Independencia Y Balcarce, recommended tango show
Nautilus-esmeralda 1022-phone internet place phone service resonable internet access is fast.
American Express-(Plaza San Martin)Arenales 707 mon-Friday-900-1700 4310-3000/4312-1661
Mastercard-Peru 151 mon-fri-0930-1800hrs 4340-5700/4348-7000
Center for National Tourism 0-800-555-0016 0800-2000HRS
Information office BA 4311-05280-0700-1300HRS/4313-0187-1000-1800HRS
Tour office-Santa Fe 883
Federal police-101/4346-7000
US Consulate-av. Colombia 4300 5777-4533/4
ALHEC Group- 641 Paraguay money exchange place
Sony products-Florida 703-has stuff for my video camera may need. The guy knows where to get help for electronics.
Blockbuster video- 2523 cordoba
ALTERNATE HOTEL
MAKE RESERVATIONS AT THE AIRPORT
Gran Hotel Buenos Aires-M. T. Alvear 767 4312-3003-my favorite hotel
Apartment Guido 1976 7c 4801-0948//123*-0948
Plaza Roma-cheap alternative.
CHECK OUT FOR NEXT TIME
MAMBOBAR.COM.AR
TOMO carlos Pellegrini 521 4326-6698/6695
Armani café Alvear 1750
Lavenciana.com.ar
SHOPPING MALLS-these modern shopping malls seem to me like places for tourists and rich with nothing better to do with their money. And to boot they seem overpriced and very “Americanized”
Patio Bullrich-nothing special the office for the boat to uraguay is in mall they didn’t speak English
Galaria Pascifico-has my favorite ice cream place Valencia
Unicenter largest shopping mall-use Manuel Tienda bus sevice for free transfer
US PHONE NUMBERS
Evylen 230-7800
BA Tour office 12 west 56 st 603-0443
Phone service 1-877-615-3653/1-800-661-1347
32214458521585
GIRLS
RULES OF AFFAIRE
RULES OF THE ROAD
MASSAGE PLACES
Esmeralda 847 piso 12H- 60ps hour for massage other services offered also. favorite is gisel-NICE PLACE but no bed for fucking. Bring your own massage oil it is better.
NOTE: These are my rough PERSONAL notes. If you do not understand something just post me a message on the board and I will try to post a more detailed explanation
I posted this report on another website: My second trip
David1967 AKA Lollipopman Returns to Buenos Aries
exchange rate: 3.10
Dates: 15 February- 23 February
Airfare: 551.00 American Airlines (Bought Ticket in December)
What I like best about BA is the variety of girls to fuck. The pussy is fabulous. I had Dominican, Colombian, Honduran, Paraguayan, and Brazilian in less than two days. The next best thing is the food. The variety, quality, quantity, and cost I have never seen in all my travel (i.e. Dominican Rep, Mexico, Nevada, cruise ship etc.). I gained a few pound after this trip.
I wrote this report in the format as Issue, Discussion, and recommendation. I lost my notebook with the names and address but will fill in the blanks when I return in April.
Issue: Girls Vicinity of Constitution Ave.
Discussion: Getting there-take the “C” train to the last stop (70 centavos) I was told the last train leaves about 100 AM. The cab fare from Café Orleans was about 4/5 pesos. At Constitution and Salton? There is a bar playing mostly Dominican music. Most of the girls here are Dominican (ages about 24-30, looks department 5-7s). Then there are two bars down the block from this bar. One has a pool table food and girls hanging out and the other has the same thing mostly Dominican girls. The pickings are slim but there are gems to be found. The area is full of streetwalkers. I break them down into three types-girls so ugly and old like a bad traffic accident, normal looking girls, and the “GIRLS” that give whole new meeting to night out with the boys. I felt safe walking around the area in the early morning. I get the impression it is a working class area so people are out in the neighborhood at all hours. I paid 50(I think about 40 would be about right) pesos for one hour without negotiating hard. There are cheap hotels in the area about 10ps for an hour. One is across the street from the bars above. I love Dominican women so this is a great place for me. They begin to show up at about 1130pm-1200am. As café Orleans the ugly and older women show up earlier.
Recommendation: Unless you are the adventurous type stay away from this area. That whole area is full of girls. You may have to put your hand down their pants to make sure you know what you are buying. If you like Dominicans, you should make this one stop. Bring with you condoms, lubricant, and a pocket flashlight. Bring a bottle of Brugal They don’t get good Dominican Rum in the area.
Issue: Apartment girls
Discussion: This guy from Iraq took me to a decent place. The girls looked great but I was too tired to take anyone. I believe the asking price was 110 ps for an hour in house. Address is 943 Esmeralda bell “C1” right around the corner from the hotel Buenos Aries (My hotel). The house I went to was at the same building bell “9E”. There were three girls Graciela, Sabrina, Antonella, I had all three and was not disappointed. I paid 125 ps for an hour at my hotel around the corner. I gave the girls extra 50 ps to videotape us fucking. The memories will last a lifetime. My impression is the girls in BA have few objections to being videotaped. I offered an extra 50 ps and every girl said, “sure” happily. I love the video better than the still pictures and plan to do more next time.
Recommendation: I will end breaking the three-time rule but who cares. I like these girls very much. So be nice and give them a good hard fuck for me. Enjoy.
Issue: Café Orleans
Discussion: This place had the same faces each day more or less. The weekends (Saturday, Sunday) tend to be the light days. My impression the old/not so pretty ones work weekends. Prime time tends to run from 200pm-700pm Monday to Friday after that it is very slim pickings. At about 1000pm-100am some of the same cafe girls are on the street and can be had for less. I had four girls from this place. One was fantastic, one was a lousy fuck, and the other two were great. My personnel opinion is some of these girls are over priced. Most of the women are about 25-30yrs and want 100-200 ps (per hour). Someone has to tell some of them their ship has passed. I may have over paid but I least got fucked well. I will mention one girl, Carolina. She fucked the shit out of me. She is Brazilian and sits to the right as you come in. Just ask the waiter they know all the girls.
Recommendation: My next trip, hang out at other cafes. I will pick up some of the girls in the café. I paid less for the apartment girls and they were younger and prettier in some cases.
Issue: Safety
Discussion: Saw a mugging right on Florida street. An older couple was knocked down by two young guys who grabbed the ladies purse. One of the taxi drivers tried to chase the thugs but these guys were really fast. I will remind you to be careful of pickpockets also. For the most part I felt safe even late at night and I have been in the seedy parts of town.
Recommendation: I keep saying this to guy but few listen. Leave the jewelry and expensive watches in the USA. Leave the big wad of cash in the deposit safe in your hotel, you will live longer. Cab fare is too cheap to not just return to your hotel. Carry a pocket flashlight (Maglight). This site is good for personnel security issues and contains unclassified information on how to protect yourself. Go to http://www.dss.mil and search f or employer’s guide to security responsibilities. You can also search for security threats around the world. http://www.spawar.navy.mil/sandiego/security/FP-AT/
If you are in the military (Contractor etc.) or have an army.mil account go here http://at-awareness.org/
Issue: Saturday/Sunday (Weekend)
Discussion: The better change places are closed during the weekend. Some of the better looking girls tend not to show up at work i.e. Café Orleans. They also do not answer their cell phones. The stores on/near Florida Street may not open or if they do it is at reduces ours. That whole area is like Wall Street on a weekend.
Recommendations: Cash enough travelers check on Friday to cover the weekend. Make appointments on Friday afternoon for the weekend. Shop during the week and avoid the weekend.
Overall Impression: This second trip was better than the first. The food is fabulous and cheap. I have to watch my diet when I come here next time. Recommend you avoid the fast food places they put too much salt in the food. Café Orleans does it too. I have high blood pressure.
Goals for next trip:
Bring some good Dominican rum.
Find some more apartments girls in the San Martin Plaza area.
Try the Clarin girls I saw on the newspaper’s web site.
Bring a book to read while hanging out at the cafes.
Write down the address of the places I visited.
Workout in a gym.
I posted this report on another website: My First Report
AFTER ACTION REPORT BUENOS ARIES, ARGETINA
Trip date: 1300 HRS 9 November- 1700 HRS 11 November
Exchange Rate 3.5 ps to 1 dollar US
MY Spanish is good enough for about an hour of conversation
My purpose for writing this report is to share information, confirm information, and get feedback from members who know Buenos Aries (BA) better than I. This was my first trip to BA. I arrived Saturday and left Monday night. This was a “miles Trip” to maintain my frequent flyer status (10,500 flight miles about 17,000 with bonuses). Please feel free to contact me with any corrections/ insights. I need the help as I plan to return when in February as long as I don’t called to active duty (Army).
Conclusion: I enjoyed BA immensely. The food, women, and hotels were wonderful. My usual destination is the Dominican Republic (Santo Domingo, Boca Chica)(DR). The women from BA (You get a mix, Brazilian, Paraguayan, etc) seem better education and overall a better “class.” The cuisine is very superior to what I encountered in the DR(Boca Chica/Santo Domingo). Contrary to the previous post about BA posted here you do not have to spend 100 US to have a good time with these girls. I will return to BA as long as there is a favorable exchange rate. My only pet peeves everything is spread-out (Taxis are plentiful and across town is about five pesos) and I never had to do so much walking around and taxi rides to find pussy.
The following report is based on my very limited experience
I Left Kennedy Airport for BA 2100 HRS 8 November. This plane is smaller than the airbus that goes to the DR. The flight is ten hours long. I would recommend one of those a funny head pillow that fits around the neck, ear plugs, something to keep you busy if you can’t sleep (14 year in the Army I can sleep under any conditions). Avoid the seats near the galley areas. They are high traffic/high noise areas. For this flight I had the Toshiba 2000 DVD, Magazines, and my CD player. The first class, Business class, and the front section of coach have the 15-volt plug, which powered my DVD player. The food on American Airlines seems to have declined in recent year so I would recommend a sandwich and cookies for your flight.
BA airport (Code EZE) you should avoid the change cubicles near the baggage pick up.(Thank you guys from previous posts) When you clear customs there is a bank to your left the exchange rate was better(3.4-1 US?). Once you go through the double doors there is the tourist office on yor right. They speak good English they recommended restaurants, places to go, give out free maps of the city(Best free map I found-you will need one for the taxi driver here in town have no clue), and booked me a hotel. They called the hotel, took the name of the person they spoke to, confirmed the price, and gave me all the information in writing. (Great Service). When I returned to the United States I had to pay additional airport tax about 15 US?
The few change places I went to wanted an extra fee to change travelers checks to pesos. About 2% with a minimum charge of 5 dollars US.
TSM Action
I was told many the clubs are slow on Saturday and Sunday. It also rained Saturday and Sunday. Here things do not get started until very late-0100 HRS and later. Overall, drink prices at these clubs run about 20ps for girls and us guys the prices vary(All overpriced). You may pay an entrance fee (ask to take a quick look before you pay there may be only 2-3 girls present or none) the price may be offset with coupons for free drinks. These place are not real bars (ask for a ginger ale) just whorehouse in disguise. Some places have rooms in the back to do your business, but I never used them. Next time I return I plan to use the cafes (I am a day person). I prefer the quieter laid back atmosphere. I avoid the high priced drinks, and if I use my hotel, I avoid paying for the quickie hotel. The girls seem better (type,personnality,looks)? My two days of impressions.
Café Orlean-nice café/environment. I ate breakfast once and the food was good. I picked up two women on separate occasions in this place gave them 200 ps for one hour. According to the Americans that were staying there longer I over paid. They told me girls will take 100-200 ps for an hour. When I have only 2 ½ days I do not haggle to hard. They both passionate and had good sex. I like sex in the daytime and the Hotel Horizen is around the corner and it is very nice.(40-60 ps for 2 hours) The café Orleans never ask for any money when I walked out with the girls(two separate occasions). I paid for one drink (9ps) with one girl and the other had a tab running (She did not ask me to pay for the drink). The only day time place I found that had anything good. (I forgot to bring copies of previous post) When I went Saturday and Sunday it had only a few women. On Monday afternoon It had about 10 women and I would have paid to fuck anyone of them.
Cutty Sark-Reconguista 873 tel. 4311-0796. I went Saturday night. They had only four women present at about midnight. The people seem pleasant. I had a drink and waited for some one I can speak to about the cost of the girls. Finally, a patron walked in who told me he was a regular. He told me he pays 50 ps for a half-hour and 100 ps for an hour. Later I met Marylin looked like a six fucked me like a ten. She was from Paraguay with a sweet personality. They ask for a 100 US(THEY ALL DO-I DO NOT KNOW WHY). I told her the guys here only pay 100 ps for and hour and she readily agreed.
Affaire-Guido 1967(near cementerio de la Recoleto) tel. 4803-1812 This place had about 10-15 girls on a Sunday night. I end up with a girl (19 yrs) from Honduras ( 7) paid her 100ps for an hour and well worth it. Low pressure environment. I used a quickie hotel near by Tanger Hotel(En Recoleta: J. M. Gutierrez 2582/Pueyrredon y Las Heras).
Tributo Night Club- Chacabuco 166 tel. 4342-1817
Was dead(no girls) until I return at 200 HRS Monday and then only had 3 girls. Pick up one girl for 100ps (6) but fuck very good and for a long time.
Playwomen -Azuenaga 1968 tel. 4804-7077/4806-4183
Nice show, entrance fee(20?ps) offered a girl(Camera ) 50 US and she agreed so quickly and happily I got the impression that was to much to offer. I never return for her. When I go back I will try again.
Solid Gold-near Playwoman-very push when it comes to drinks and the girls are looking for big money(First impression).
My overall impression of the girl-No one seemed to be in a rush, very laid back, the girls are shy even the street walker what few I saw unless you literally grab a girl they leave you a lone. All of them asked for money upfront. Of course I went ballistic over that( My Boca Chica training) I would show them the money and that would sometimes be enough. You need to speak Spanish in this country (saying culo and cerveza wont cut it here). I found only some of the hotel staff and a few places speak English.
Other places I know or were recommended to me:
Manuel Tienda Leon
Tel. 4314-3636/4315-5115
www.tiendaleon.com
bus company at airport charge was 3.00 US for drop off at bus station or 4.00 US for drop off at your hotel.
www.turismo.gov.ar tourist information
Hotel Tandil
Ave. de Mayo 890 e-mail:supertandil2@hotmail.com tel. 4343-2597/8
Price 30ps per day air con. Cable tv
Did not see room totally occupied. Recommended by cab driver. The old lady at the desk told me girls no problem but only one at a time.
Hotel Madrid
Ave de Mayo 1135-C1085 ABB tel./fax 4381-9021
e-mail:reserva@hotel madrid.com.ar
web hotel madrid.com.ar
Recommended by cab driver. Price 35ps per day
Fiamingo Apart Hotel
Talcahuano 120 tel. (011)-4374-4400
e-mail: reservas@Fiamingoapart.com
web: fiamingoapart.com.ar
recommended by an american staying there.
Gran Hotel Buenos Aires
Marcelo T. de Alvear 767
Tel. (54-11) 4312-3003
I stayed at this hotel you have to pay 10 ps (PER DAY)if you want to bring up a girl other than that no problem. Paid 87ps per day. They have a computer(internet access) for hotel guest. Nice quiet hotel. Room service and mini-bar with frig.
Rent cellular
Nolitel for BA and Brasil
e-mail:reservas@nolitelgroup.com
tel. 4575-1760/61
I was told you pay to send and receive calls.
Radio taxi oeste
Disciunt if you call 10%
Tel 4644-6688
Paid 25ps leaving BA to the airport during rush hour. If you leave on a weekday leave extra time for traveling the traffic could be as bad as Manhattan. You need a good map (airport) as these taxi driver basically don not know their city.
Cab driver Oscar-I used this cab driver for Saturday night from 1900hrs-500hrs(ten hour) for 200ps. He was with me at all time. Did I over pay? And by how much? Tel. 15 5776-62038
Museo del Jamon (Spanish Cuisine)
Cerrito 8 esq. Rivadavia
4382-4144// 4382-7648
La Estancia (Argentine meat)
Lavalle 941/45 tel. 4326-0330/0025
Web: asadorlaestancia.com.ar
This is a reponse to the post by Dickhead:
Laprida 947 80ps for hour. completo-includes bbbj // I hadgood service from two different girls. Both would not let me take pictures of them with their clothes on. Bring a towel IF YOU WANT TO SHOWER FIRST. Their towels are the size of wash clothes. As always you should bring your own condoms and lubricant. The apartment has nice and friendly people. The place is a little on the dumpy side. Cross Street-is Cordoba
For Andres:
I went up to the area of Ayacucho between Juncal and Arenales Wednesday night between 10:30 and about 11:45PM. I can't find anything in the area that resembles a rest/bar that might have activity.
There is a place called "Deep Blue" that is a bar and pool hall. It is large and very nice. It is a locals place with many couples and mixed groups. There were single women, mostly in groups of 2-3. The age range is 20's. It appears a popular meeting and hanging place. If I were younger, I would try it out.
There is a place called "The Spot" that is a bar and hanging out place. There were a few people at this time, also mostly 20's. At 11:30PM, it was not interesting.
There is a large popular restaurant/hangout on Arenales near Ayacucho. Many couples and mixed groups, also 20's mostly. It looks nice and friendly/informal.
There is a nice looking restaurant at the corner of Juncal and Riobamba. It was large and dim and intimate looking, but appeared to have a few couples only.
I looked on Junin and down to Callao, from Santa Fe to Las Heras. I walked over from Posadas. It is a nice neighborhood, but I couldn't see anything that looked like it might relate to the hobby. Maybe I am in the wrong area. If you can help me with what I am doing wrong, maybe I can look next week.
Scorpio:
I suspect you paid the local price at 1965 Corrientes 13B. But note that a full hour is only 60 Pesos and Lorena is well worth it. Or two or three hours.
Please treat this lady well. She is really nice, and quite 'willing.' To me, that includes giving her a nice tip when she does all that indicate.
Later, HF
Jimbehr2000
10-11-03, 06:13
I saw Lorena at Corrientes on Friday (or was it Thursday I forget) and I can also recommend her service. She told me she worked from 9AM-9PM if I understood her correctly. She does have some miles on her but she is attractive enough and really goes to work on you. I was given a choice of two girls and I saw two more as I was leaving. Imho Lorena is the only one there worth doing so it may be advisable to call first and make sure Lorena is there.
Lorena asked me if I had heard about her on the internet. Apparently she is aware people talk about her on the net.
Lexton:
The place I referred to is a bar located 20 meters from the corner of Juncal and Ayacucho, in the same walkway of Deep Blue (that is, Ayacucho between Arenales and Juncal). It has a discreet sign of "Bar/Restaurant" in red and white, black curtains covering the windows and guy standing on the entrance.
Andres
Yes, Lorena is recommendable, I will probably visit her again.
Had a good XP with Natalia (Altosex.com). She works in Suipacha 963, Piso 5, Apt 42. Phone 4893 2169
Stayed with her for 90 minutes and paid 150 AR$, she did BBBJ, intensive FK, GFE, no hurries at all. The last half hour we just did cariños and talking. She is older than in her pics, has a 12 year old son. Her boobs are small, but her butt looks great, she´s got many tattoos as well.
A bad XP happened with Anyi (Escortsbaires). I phoned her at 4804 3123 and got her address and price quotations. 150 AR$ for an hour completo. I took a cab to get to her place, Posadas 1528, Piso 14, Apt A.
When I arrived, she told me to wait downstairs, she would come down to meet me. The girl that I met (Pamela) told me that the mother of Anyi just had become sick and she had gone to the hospital with her (during the 45 minutes after my phonecall...).
But Pamela (after rechecking her pics it could have been Anyi) offered me to go to an hotel with me. Pamela looked good, but I don´t like that kind of acting and I declined. (she spoke some basic English btw)
Just about 10 AR$ taxifare and a phonecall, no big deal...
Scorpio
Jimbehr2000
10-11-03, 21:34
I am wondering if any apartments are open on Sunday. I have a few hours to kill during the afternoon and would like to visit an apartment. I was told Santa Fe 1707 was closed on Sunday and I´m not a big fan of escorts. Any suggestions for klling time on a Sunday afternoon besides watching the tango dancers at Plaza Dorrego?
1929-1931 Rivadavia is open on Sundays. Or, call my friend Alejandra. She said she "usually" works Sundays. I've posted her number a couple of times. I don't have it with me right now. I haven't been to 1707 but I was told it IS open Sundays. I think Andres posted their phone number at some point.
Judd:
I'm glad that you want to "reincide" at Envidia.
In case you want to visit other clubs in the area:
- La Fuente: Lafuente St and Rivadavia Av (blue neon sign, 2 blocks from Envidia) ar$5-7 the entrance, about ar$40 30 minutes.
- Dolys/la Nuit: Directorio Av and San Pedrito Av (6 blocks from Envidia). ar$5-7 the entrance, prices similar to those at Envidia.
However, remember that Envidia has the best selection in the area (or at least it used to be that way...)
Photos of the boliches buildings can be found at the Photos/Pictures section.
Hope this helps,
Andres
Stinkfinger
10-12-03, 22:08
Sante Fe 1707 is definitely closed on Sundays. Or at least they were at 5pm last Sunday.
About Bar Iberia (Avda Mayo 1996 esq Salta):
Confirming Dickhead´s observations.
I´ve been there Saturday night from 23:00 until 03:30 and there are some working ladys (why else would somebody sit there for an hour with still the same cup of cafe doble ?). They discreetly try to get in touch (eye contact...), there was an average of about 10 girls (some housewives and an old hag as well), some of them leave the place alone and return after a while, it is a continous coming and going (alone or with somebody). I think mostly local mongers hang out at that place. Around 02:30 the Formula 1 Grand Prix (Japan) was shown on TV (off topic, but I´m a German).
Right now, Sunday night at 00:30, two doable ladys from last night were back there. I will get back later and check their rules of the game (maybe another sleepless night...).
Scorpio
(there really is a large sofa in the rear area)
This report covers my Sunday late afternoon activity.
I did a one hour session with a girl named Alaska.(http://www.legalmentebellas.com.ar), I actually wanted Tifany but she doesn´t seem to work on Sundays. They are in an apartment in Belgrano, Amenabar 2313, Piso 1, Apt 2, phone 4786 2330. (Taxi from Centro 2 x 11 AR$)
I paid 120 AR$ for an hour, double shot, CBJ, some GFE after first session, DATY (not so good, too much hair around for my taste). At the second round I just did make the bed lightly shake in such way that the girl moved underneath me, so I didn´t need to "pump" lazy as I am.
Alaska must be in her late twenties, if I got her right. Her own hair is short, but she has some long artificial hair (blonde and dark) woven into hers. OK trialrun for one time.
I may go back for Tifany (she starts at 14:00), the place opens at 11:00. (seems to be at Gemidos.com.ar too)
Scorpio
Jaimito Cartero
10-13-03, 08:50
The site looks interesting. I'd guess you'll be paying extra for all that studio time for those pictures. I didn't see Tifany listed in the models.
Jimbehr2000
10-13-03, 17:15
Just arrived back home and I miss BA already. Rivadavia was open on Sunday and I had a good time there with Carina (thanks DickHead). For ar $20 it is truly an incredible bargain. I was told Corrientes would be open and Santa Fe would be closed but Corrientes was closed. I didn't check Santa Fe. The holioday weekend may have changed a few schedules at the apartments. I'd like to post a few general thoughts about the BA scene from an outsider's perspective since I don't have a lot of new info to post about the scene. I need a few days to get caught up on work and sleep before I do it.
It was nice meeting a few people from here. Judd, I enjoyed meeting you and your friends. I did take a young Paraguayan lady (Cleste) home from Madaho's the night all of us were there together. I'm not sure what happened to the rest of you since I was busy negotiating. And you do look like you know who. Also, is Dark Destroyer our friend from across the pond?
Did you tip 5 pesos at Rivadavia or did they quote you 20? Because last time I was there it was 15 for a half hour and 30 for an hour. I tipped 5 pesos though; I'm not that much of a Dickhead. The first time, though, they quoted us 35 for the hour. So YEMV. All four gals I did there were nice although one was kinda ugly.
There's a security guard there in the lobby who writes down your name and passport or DNI # but just make one up. Make sure it has the right number of digits though. I would just pull my passport out and act like I was reading the number off of it. I did use the same fake name every time in case they remembered me.
Death Warrior
10-13-03, 21:00
Hi everyone,
This is my first report, as I am now allowed to post! I arrived in BA on the 8th from across the pond via Sao Paulo. Managed to get 8hrs sleep on the plane, so I was ready for some action. Since I do not speak a word of Spanish, I had already emailed Roxana to make inital contact. She offered the tour, but since I was here on business, was not interested in that (would get a tour from the guys in the office). Gave her three names of some girls from Platynum at 3pm, for room service at 8pm. She said she would try, and if she did not phone back, try call her at 5pm. Got no phone call, so at 5:30pm, called and got voicemail. Left a message for her to call back. Two minutes later she calls my room and has arranged Hanna to visit at 8pm for 100 peso + taxi of 20 peso. Was advised that Hanna would phone at 7:45pm, to confirm appointment. Get a call, and although the site says she speaks basic english, she could not speak a word ! I thought she was downstairs in lobby, so said come on up. Ten minutes pass, and she is not here, so I go and scan lobby...nothing. Back to room, phone Roxana and advise. She will check and call back. Phone then rings and reception advise on my visitor. Go downstairs, and have to check her in (Ceasar Park). No cost, just for my safety ! Hanna is cute, small, nice tits for her size and a tight little butt. Get to the room and phone rings, Roxana cannot make contact with Hanna (she does not have a mobile) I advise that she is in room, and Roxana and Hanna speak. Hanna is advised by Roxana, that she is paid after the dirty deed is done. Get comfy, nice french kissing, onto a CBJ, ball and pernium licking and a bit of muff diving, followed by sex in a few positions and I shoot my wad. Massages me a bit. Hanna looks at you really intensley while performing which I found nice. She does smoke, which you can really taste !Leaves me her number, which I had anyway, as per web site, her really name and the hours she works. Great for the first sample of the local cuisine on BA.Feeling hungry and tired now, so order real room service and then hit the sack as have a busy day tommorrow.
I'll post more reports in the next few days.
PS some of you know me as Dark Destroyer, but since that is already been used by someone else on the forum, my handle will be Death Warrior !
Called Maria Pia (Altosex) at 4816 1185, she sounded too unfriendly. Quoted me 100 AR$ an hour todo. Didn't take the risk.
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...there's a lady who's sure all that glitters is gold
and she's buying a stairway to heaven (Led Zeppelin)...
Indiana (has pics at Nivel59.com) where she looks like a real centerfold model (blonde hair, tall, perfect ...).
Phone: 4953 1385 (very friendly voice and she spoke extra slow and clear for me to understand her better.)
100 AR$ one hour, 70 AR$ half hour.
Ok, went to her place at Oriboro 635, Piso 1, Dept B between Viamonte and Tucuman.
The girl coming down to let me in didn't look like in the pics, chubby body, only good thing was her pretty face and her long black hair (she looked indigenous). I asked her about the blonde supermodel, she replied it was herself wearing fake blonde hair. Which is 101% not true. I excused myself having changed my mind and left the premises.
... not all that glitters, is gold !
Scorpio
(after my last night's post about Bar Iberia, I went back at 01:30 and found the place full, didn't check any further)
To Jaimito Cartero, Tifany (Gemidos) is actually Agnetha (Legalmentebellas), the girl in red.
Jimbehr2000
10-14-03, 00:18
DickHead: The experience at Rivadavia is diffrerent from others and a little more intimitating to a non Spanish speaker. I was quoted ar $20 but they knew darn well it was my first time. I did tip at the end of the session since I thought $20 was a great deal. We should mention for non Spanish speaking newbies that the girl comes down from the apartment to unlock the door. Don't wait for the security guard to get off his ass and let you in like I did. Also the security guard does ask you to sign in with a document number. I whipped out a paper copy of my passport. I showed it to him then dictated my passport number to him as he wrote. I changed a number or two and he didn't seem to notice or care. I still feel this place is an excellent value even after overpaying by ar $5.
JBehr:
You are worried about overpaying? Dude, you paid $7 US!!!
Your friend, -P
No, PK, I'M worried about him overpaying :)
I think that was the only apartment I tipped at, as opposed to just negotiating up front to pay more for CIM or something. The last three times I was there I went alone, drunk, and late at night. That's even more fun.
Maybe $20 and $35 are the afternoon prices and $15 and $30 are the night time prices cuz the first time I went there was Sunday afternoon and that's the only time they quoted me $35. But Alejandra's apartment is cleaner and the music is better, plus more privacy. Matinees only.
Calicula,
Re: "Later in the evening I meet up with Dulce from Platynum (her picture is no longer there now). Damn she was smoking when she walked into the room. Very pretty and fun girl. I hated for her to leave and told her that we would meet up the following week. I like this one quite a bit!"
I think I met her some months ago. She was fixing to go to Spain until Christmas. No clue what happened afterwards, though she is definitely good company as you say. Fit to take anywhere.
About 21, straight blonde hair to shoulders, trim, all natural, big brown latina eyes, about 5'7, smart, witty. Yeah, what's there not to love, the complete entertainment package. Even speaks a little English.
Also, she gets naked in about 3 seconds flat. Impressive technique, you don't even notice except one minute she is dressed, the next she's posing nude atop a pile of designer clothes.
What a honey! I just hope she reappears some day.
Former Lurker
10-16-03, 09:35
Howdy!
A couple of question for the crew.
I will be staying at the Sheraton in BA and would like to know what the best plan of action might be. I am familiar with Asia, but this is my first venture into South America.
I read alot on the board about Sante Fe 1701. What is that all about?
In short, a brief recap of my options and prices would be most helpful.
Thanks in advance!
Hi guys,
The following is a couple reports which covers a couple of apartment house myself and J-dude (yet to have a handle) visited these past few days.
Last Sunday, it was extremely slow at the Boliches since Columbus day was the next day. Myself and J-dude left the other mongers at Madahos to checkout Cafe Excedra downtown. It was completely dead with maybe 4 girls and 20 horny Argentine dudes. Since it was about 2:00am, we decided to find a newspaper stand and pick up a Clarin Ad. We were able to find a La Nacion ad from the previous day, and located a couple of ads that advertised open 24hrs a day. We found an all night Locutorio and called the numbers. We finally found an apt. that was open advertising as Daniela. However, since the lady spoke in rapid Castellano, we had difficulty understanding what she was saying.
NOVEL CONCEPT!!!!
With MacGyver like savvy, We asked a street florist if he could call the number and make the ARRANGEMENTS for us. This guy was great! He found out how many girls were working, what the cost was for specific services, and the address of the apartment. We gave the guy 5 PESOS and he was grinning from ear to ear. Honestly, any Argentine you make friends with while in BA (your doorman for example) can make arrangements for you with the chicas. You just need to have to guts to ask them.
The name of the apartment house is Regalos Empresariales. The apartment (4772-7662) is located in Belgrano on Federico Lacroze 2346 apt #2 with nearest cross street being Cabildo. The madam was quite nice and escorted us to an unoccupied room. On the inside, The apartment is not for the weak at heart being rundown and sparcely decorated. The quoted price was 50 pesos 1/2 and 70 pesos 1 hour for full service.
We were not expecting much, but were pleasantly surprised that both the chicas were doable. I would rate them both in the 4 to 5 range. My girls name was Luce with J-dude girls name was Daniela. Luce was a slightly thick Paraguayan with nice large round butt, nipples you could hang your coat on (I did this when we were finished and she laughed), and the accustomary f-d up teeth of a typical Clarin chica. Daniela was thinner and bordered on being attractive. The BBBJ was average and the FS was covered. She got into the sex and especially liked the hard bang. The session was good, nothing remotely close to a GFE, but she got the job done. Afterwords, everyone gathered in the small kitchen and we bullshitted for a few minutes. J-dude had a positive experience, and we both felt like we got our bangs worth out of the girls.
Overall, if you go to this place don't have illusions of grandeur. These girls are marginal at best with decent attitudes. I imagine the more you get to know the girls the better the sessions would become. The madam was really cool, and the sessions were not rushed. I can only recommend this place if your horny, out of options, and in the Belgrano area.
Late,
Judd
A couple more Apartment Experiences....
Myself and J-dude just came back from a Dickhead visited apartment on Rivadavia 1929 and Riobamba. First, our expectations were low since the quoted price from the board was 20 or 30 pesos for full service. Fairly easy to find but recommend only going during the day. The apartment is on the first floor apt #7 (take the stairs to the right of the elevators). We were not required to give our passport ID # probably because it was early in the afternoon.
Red Flag #1. The madam was a complete hag who was dressed in a thong which turned our stomachs. Red Flag #2. J-dude tripped when walking into the bedroom because it was so dimmly lit. She told us there was only 2 girls available. She brought them in and they were off the rating chart on the minus scale. I got up to leave, but she said she would bring in more girls. She kept bringing in more girls but they didn't get any more attractive. Again, let me stress to the board, we were not looking for anything special as I'm fairly easy to please. Even at 20-30 pesos IMHO there was not anything there worth banging.
We thanked the madam and got up to leave, and that's when things got ugly. She was pissed that we didn't want service from any of the girls and blocked the door (apparently this happens to her alot since the girls are F-ing dogs!) She demanded we either give her 10 pesos with which she would either blow us both or we could split. I told J-dude to tell her in Spanish to go fuck herself! He asked her to calm down, but she refused to move away from the door. We were in a stalemate with her. I was absolutely fuming and preparing myself to physically move this B#@$% from the door! In fact, I'm still pissed! Again, he told her were not going to pay her and to please move so we could leave. I was tired of her shit and got in her face saying, "Okay, let's call the police". She laughed saying something to the effect that they have the police bribed, but did move away from the door. As we were leaving, she said the man at the front would not let us exit the building. She was full of shit as I waved to him. He waved back completely oblivious to the problems we were having and we left that fucking shithole of an apartment!
In conclusion, I am glad others on the board enjoyed getting service from this apartment as it is a great value. However, IMHO you should avoid this place. All of the shitty aspects (not the greatest section of BA, poor lighting in room, paint coming off the walls, nothing more than a sheet and a 2-inch thick smelly mattress for a bed) could have been overlooked if the girls were somewhat doable, which they were not. Don't waste your time with this place. Spend the 20 xtra pesos and hit the apartment on Laprida. It's just as slimy and seedy as the Rivadavia apartment but the chicas are more attractive.
Following the terrible experience at Rivadavia 1929, we headed to the apartment on Laprida and Cordoba. We are greeted by a much friendlier Madam dude who offerred us a drink. The apartment is better lit, and although poorly built, they are at least trying to improve the looks of the place with ferns and assorted mood decorations. The rooms are somewhat large, but the bed is a thin matress on a cement box spring. Capt Dave had the great idea of bringing a clean sheet from his apartment, and he said the girls loved this.
The dude tells us he has 3 girls and 3 more will be available in a few minutes. We appreciated the honesty in him letting us know the others were with clients. I selected the first girl named Nicole. Nicole was an attractive blonde with a nice slender body. She really could be a Madahos type girl if it wasn't for her jacked up teeth. J-dude selected Nazarena who Captain Dave banged a few days before. She had nice big ass which sparked J-dudes attention. The price was 50 pesos for 1/2 hour and 80 for the hour. They still had the promotion of two different girls each in 1/2 hour sessions for 80 pesos.
Nicole provided a very good bbbj. In fact, I cut short the FS part of the session so she could finish me off with the bj. She took my direction well and I was able to have a nice release. She was a really sweet girl who I would have enjoyed spending more time. J-dude had a really good experience with Nazarena and plans to have her come to his apartment for another session.
Overall, a great experience when you consider the reasonable price and quality of the chicas.
Late,
Judd
Oh man! I saw 3 different madams in 4 trips at Rivadavia IIRC but none I would EVER want to see in a thong, EVER, whatsoever AT ALL. One thing I do remember is that one time the madam brought in a woman or maybe two and they weren't doable so I asked for some more selections and she said, "OK, you pay me now." But I said no way and she brought in more with no problem.
If I didn't speak Spanish this place would scare the piss out of even me so keep that in mind, lads.
Now if you see Alejandra, after you are done fucking her, she snuggles up against you and says, "Cuéntame algo LINDO." Same price as Rivadavia por la hora.
Two months and 24 days.
Just had a GREAT time in B.A. hanging out with JuddNelson, Death Warrior and a few unnamed boys. I've mongered around the world, and I think B.A. has to be the best!!
Got some cheap fake Viag at a pharmacy (I think it was near 987 Cordoba). Go to a smaller pharmacy... the bigger ones will want to see a prescription.
Had a few decent experiences with Internet girls. Alexia from Platynum is my favorite!
The boys and I hit Madahos a couple of times. First time, I got a nice black-haired girl with great boobs for an hour.
The second time, I had my heart on this blonde Brazilian. A bunch of us were going to grab a drink somewhere else but it turns out she had a personality conflict with one of the other girls, so she just took off!! Jumped in a cab off the streets and left! Beware of the cute blonde Brazilian. There are reports that she's wacko.
I also tried Bonnefemme. 200P for a nice hour at a nearby apartment with good service (too bad I was so tired, that I couldn't get off the second shot!). It's a very well done, professional (in a good way) service. Others have told me that there is someone that speaks perfect English, but she wasn't around when I called....
In any case, can't wait to come back! And as a side note, if any of you have any expensive non-covered prescription drugs, you can save a bumble by buying down there (e.g. Viagra, Propecia). And the food! And nice leather stuff.
AND THE WOMEN!
Attitudes, Changes, and the Latin AAA Farm System
This hobby has produced some good times for all of us, and every once in a while we meet the girl of a lifetime. You know the kind of girl I mean, the one that you call to spend two hours with you, but she is so nice that she spends two days instead, without even mentioning price or money. When she is confused about what to wear when she goes out with you, she invites you over to help her pick something out. This same girl has numerous sugar daddies, flying her all over the globe, is in the upper tier of a major airline’s mileage club before she is 21, and treats every guy like he is the only person in the world for her. On top of all of this, she is beautiful as well, could easily grace the covers of magazines, and does not even think about it. A few years ago she was right in our midst on one of the major websites in BA, but alas, is no more, and I have no idea where she is now. These girls are very special, and after you spend some time with one of these beauties, if she is no longer around, you begin to always think back, and try to envision another of her caliber coming along for you.
These memories were in the back of my mind when a young lady came into my life through another avenue, the manager. I had met the manager a few years ago in BA, when I called a number in the Buenos Aires Hearld. Over the years she was very reliable in sending over company on short notice, but I found out later that she took 50% of the girl’s fee. Recently on a slow day in BA one day, I gave the manager a call to have a girl come over, and then possibly join me for dinner, and she promptly sent over a very nice girl, but not the kind you want on your arm at dinner. After the girl left, I called the manager and thanked her, and would be in touch my next time in town. She must have sensed disappointment in my voice as there was a message from her the later that evening on the hotel phone saying she had someone really special for me. I had dinner with friends, went out to the clubs, and slept in the arms of a female companion, who stayed with me until about 1:00 in the afternoon, and I had to leave that night. Shower, shave, some emails exchanged, and the manager’s phone message kept flashing in my brain. Ok, so why not? I called, she delivered, big time.
A beautiful and very friendly girl showed up at the door, we spent a while getting to know each other, and then the fun began. She saw the camera, loved to pose for it, and was a really nice person to be with. Over the next few weeks, phone calls, emails, invitations to meet her family, and she was as nice as could be. I started to flash back to a few years ago and thought I had found another gem as described in the first paragraph. She was relatively new in the business, and I saw this as an opportunity to help her out so that she would have as much business that she wanted and would not have to depend on her manager. A percentage is one thing, but 50% is not healthy.
What started with high hopes and anticipation quickly vanished with an obsession for money and a sea of confusion. She had been discovered by her manager a few months back, and had been set up with some work. Shortly after that she became sick, her manager brought her medicine, kept her company, and generally took care of her during this time. She felt sort of an allegiance to her manager, and so she stayed with her even though 50% of her pay was taken off the top.
The next time I took her out for dinner, the phone kept going off, at last 8 times during dinner from her manager, wondering where the hell she was. There was a client waiting for her, and guess who had to drop her off at his doorstep. I felt like I had received the ultimate brush off, and the next day, we had a long talk about all of this. I told her that I wanted a really close friend, and did not want to talk about money, In return, I would help her to get established in this business, be a good friend to her, and helping her out along the way as well. We parted friends and set up another date in the future.
She broke from the manager for our next date, but after dinner, back in the hotel, she immediately started to ask about money. I was ticked, as she just got a 50% pay raise for the night, and now was talking about more. I told her that this was not the girl I talked to the week before. She fired back that she needed money, not shopping and dinners. I told her to drop her manager, get on a website, lower her prices and attitude, and treat every guy like he was the only guy on earth. Her income would increase 3-4 times. She would not hear any of it. I told her that I could not have a friendship based solely on money, especially when she gave 50% of it to a manager. I gave her a kiss, and sent her on her way, and did not write or call for a week. She wrote me, and suggested we try again.
We met again, both of us happy as we started out to dinner. The first clue of what was to come, “I don’t like this restaurant, it is too boring.” I ignore the remark. I arranged the seating at the small dinner so that she would be included in all the conversation. Talking to the guy across from me, when talking about his job, I stopped frequently to explain things to her, always to include her. She had two girls sitting next to her as well. So when dinner is over, we are walking along in the nice evening breeze. I asked her if she enjoyed the dinner and the conversation, she said no, as she felt left out. Yikes, what is a man to do? Strike two.
Not to worry, I had some strawberries, whipped cream, and champagne in the room to ease any problems out of her mind. When I showed her the dessert treats I had ready, she went ballistic. “Why did you not tell me you had these”? “I would have not had as much to eat at the restaurant if I had known about this,” and on and on. Strike three.
I said forget it, let’s just go to sleep, and we will talk about it in the morning. The next thing she says, is “How much are you going to pay me?” Are four strikes allowed? I said we are much more than a client and a provider, she said, “I never treated you like a client.” I said, “So why start now? That kept her quiet for a while as we started to drift off to sleep, but when I moved and touched her, she did not like it as it kept her awake. ROFL. Something in my throat was causing a tickling sensation, and started a series of coughs, which she promptly did not like, and decided to go home. I gave her an amount of money that most of the girls would be overjoyed to get, and she promptly asked, “Is that all?” I could not believe this.
So that has been it with her for a few months. She went over to Europe for a while, and now is back in her home town. Emails and phone calls have been cordial, so we shall see where this goes. Like a wild horse, it needs to be tamed a bit. Question is, is it possible? Stay tuned.
Now fast forward to Mirian of www.area-vip.com.ar.
I was attracted to her on the website, so gave her a call. The plan was for dinner, stay all night, and the next day take her shopping or just spend time together. Ok, no problem she says. You can have me for that amount of time for the small sum of $900 U.S. I laughed, and countered with a more reasonable number of pesos, she countered with a total of $200 if I came to see her, or $700 for dinner and time back at the hotel, and then asked me not to forget a birthday present for her. These are all in U.S. dollars. I politely excused myself from these email conversations, and she came back with one more try. She would buy a Home Theatre system, and I was to try and bring it through customs. If I did that for her, we would have a deal. No thanks.
These two girls were back to back. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH.
Not to worry though, as the Latin AAA farm system is sending up new talent all the time, and there is a lot of high quality available. I am also so glad there is a border between North and South America, as I would not want the American females to corrupt the Latin woman. They are a true work of art, and deserve to be loved and treated well.
Enjoy the life gentlemen,
Moondog
MoonDog . . .
Not sure what to say about that story. Is it possible? Are you kidding? Constant complaining and requests for more money . . . doesn't sound like a girl I'd want to be around. Even for a quickie.
But one thing does bother me. You say you called a Website girl and the set-up for the first date included shopping? Moon, I don't go shopping with a wife or live-in girlfriend much less a hooker . . . and on the first date, sight unseen? That is just asking for trouble. It tells them you are willing to play Sugar-Daddy, and in the end they'll treat you like one. They will refer to you as their "wallet" and in some way I suppose that is the ULTIMATE GFE, but I don't want to go there. I won't even pay them for a dinner. I'll pay the check, but not for their time. But different strokes, I guess . . .
Good Luck, -P
Prokofiev,
Sometimes I will take them shopping, and just be a nice guy to them even before sleeping with them. It just blows them away, that a guy just wants to be a friend, and it sets things up for future events down the road. I don't intend to be an ATM for these girls, but with Mirian, I just was in mood to have a babe on my arm for a day or so, and to set up a good relationship for the future.
With the first girl, I really wanted to help her, but she would not hear of it.
It was a fun experience, and this is why I shared it with you guys.
Enjoy the life,
Moondog
[Maria]
Well, at least he didn't DO it (take her shopping). Now I did take María shopping once, sort of. I took her to a book store and bought her a Spanish-English phrase book for 6 pesos for her birthday. You would have thought I bought her a Ferrari, from her reaction.
Hey PK, isn't that your Peruvian friend (Flor?) that was just posted to the picture forum?
EDIT: Oh, no it's not. It's the gal I kept blowing off and finally Mickey Mouse fucked her. I knew she looked familiar. Yessica.
Moondog:
I read your story, and I think that your first girl became a little scared after she broke with her manager.
Before breaking, she made 50% of a continuous stream of money (stream that I guess came from different guys). That way, provided that she behaved properly, she would receive money no matter which guy provided it.
After she cut links with her manager, she gave a lot of power to you. Even though it is true that you would have paid at least twice, she may have risked her former continuous income in case you get bored of her (regardless how well she treated you). That made her inconsciously uncomfortable and thus moved her to behave like a bi***.
Andres
Andres,
You make a good point. We are still friends, and possibly over time she will become more comfortable on her own.
Take care,
Moondog
DH,
Quit bragging about 6 pesos, you cheap bastard. These guys are talking about REAL money - which leaves me out as well. I just can't go there . . . and if I tip, it is always after the service. Going out shopping before a test drive makes no sense to me, but whatever works . . .
No, that is not Flor. Flor de Maria works upstairs at Catto, not downstairs at Hook and is not quite that slender. But I do remember this one, although I never talked with her. Same basic model though and my type . . . not that it matters much. If she has a kitty and is at least half-alive, she's my type . . .
Peace, -P
Jimbehr2000
10-18-03, 20:18
Damn, DickHead. You really know your stuff. That is Yessica from Hook's but I have such a bad camera (and photography style) I can't believe you recognized her. She was a very nice girl. I had the pleasure of talking to Maria last Friday. I thought she was cute but didn't use her services. I did go back to see her (last Saturday) but she was gone. A street tout told me she was gone until Monday.
I just posted a rear view pic of a Solid Gold girl. Its her best angle. I would be totally shocked if you knew her name.
Moondog:
I agree with Andres in good part.
Let me add a little to the discussion, based on my own interviews and in part on input of a psychologist who heavily interviewed South American 'working women.'
Argentine women are used to hearing Americans make strong professions of affection and then disappear. Or, worse, sometimes they hear the sweet words and then see the visitor move on to the next 'amiga' right in front of them. That hurts them, particularly the ones new to the business, more than just in terms of a lost 'sale.' It accelerates the often observed 'hardening' process.
Individuals vary, but I believe that a lot of these women do get emotionally involved in their multiple short relationships, at least to some degree. Their interaction with paying men is by no means all an act, and sometimes they get burned badly. ((For those who believe me hopelessly naive for concluding that many 'amigas' become truly involved, ask yourself why the men who post here feel so burned when a situation goes bad. We are all human, after all.))
Many men say they will stay in contact, get e mail and phone information, and then just disappear forever. ((How many readers have done that a few dozen times?)) Of course the man is just being polite at the time, and he may actually intend to stay in touch but later decide to search for more variety instead.
Overall, these women hear a mountain of unfulfilled promises, and eventually many respond in kind.
In that context, your 'amiga' was naturally going to be very hesitant about giving up a steady stream of revenue in reliance on the words of one 'amigo,' even if paying commissions you find excessive. (Argentines tend to focus on what each person gets at the bottom line and are used to commissions in various transactions). And remember that 50% of what Americans pay is a lot better than a lot of working women clear in brothels or hanging out in clubs where they are often not selected.
On the other hand, the 'four strikes' evening you describe was over the line. Well over the line, for that matter. Annoying.
A paradox: it may be that she was comfortable being bitchy because she did know you. Maybe it is the real person coming out. Scary. Or maybe she was just being 'self-protective.'
Anyway, you were right to say what you felt and would be wise to proceed with caution.
Prokofiev:
DH is wild and funny. He may on occasion drink just a wee bit too much, but he is not cheap and I don't think he was bragging. He regularly pays the woman to whom he gave a 6 peso gift more than her going rate - I know her and she has commented on his financial fairness. DH's point to Moondog was that many women have good attitudes even after being in the 'business' and are far more appreciative than his 'amiga' of even small tokens.
To all: lets avoid flaming....the Board has been very clean of it.
HF
[Maria]
I don't think PK was flaming me. He was kidding, I'm pretty sure. He knows María too and I think we pay her about the same. But, yeah, I'm definitely a cheap bastard because I'm in a low-paying profession by choice, I haven't been working full-time, and I have to watch my money. But that is all my fault.
Hey Jim, I've never been to Solid Gold. I feel bad about Yessica (you're right about the bad shot because I think she looks a bit better than that particular picture) because I got her phone number and I told her I would cook her a seafood dinner. But then I lost her number and by the time I saw her again and got it again my trip was almost over and I never did it. But I did get her to agree to come over for "less than" 100 pesos. I was gonna give her 100 anyway if she was any good. So if anybody sees her again, take her to dinner for me and I'll make it up to you. Anybody sees María, tell her El Toro Rojo yearns for her tragically and will back in 2 months and 19 days. But who's counting?
ChicagoBoy23
10-19-03, 20:42
Anybody have any advice on portable electronic spanish english translators with voice ?
I have found Seiko, Etaco, and Franklin brands ~ $120
I speak very little Spanish and thought I could have some fun chatting with the Amiga's using this device.
Argentina women Rock! More fun than Russians (IMO).
Thanks in advance
Go Cubs !!!!!!!
ChicagoBoy
[Maria]
I gave her some of my split pea and lentil soup too. Don't I get any credit for that?
One of my friends here says I throw nickels around like manhole covers.
DH . . .
Dude, please don't tell me you take hot soup with you to a whorehouse! or to Black's. That's too much.
And although this is off-topic, I have to ask you a personal question:
What sex-toys do you carry around with you in Mexico? Remember, you said you were busted on a Mexican 1st class bus with sex-toys in your luggage? Not a blow-up Maria doll I hope!
Have any of you guys ever used a vibrator or dildo on a professional? Never really occured to me before. But I guess it's a possibility with the right girl. Just wondering . . .
Her apartment was in my same building, remember? It isn't a whorehouse although I am not sure whether she lives there or not. I think she probably does. And no, I brought it to her cold in Tupperware. She gave me back the Tupperware, too, all nice and clean. A nice girl. I'll probably look her up again when I get back.
Sex toy bag includes vibrators (the G-2 "Pocket Rocket," which is battery operated, and another plug-in one with a bunch of different attachments), which I have used on many SWs with mixed results. (Alejandra liked the G-2. I stuck it where the sun don't shine). It includes flavored condoms for BJs which many girls appreciate. It includes rubber gloves and dental dams for whatever. It includes little take out packets of honey and syrup. It includes some cock rings, a jew's harp (play the Star Spangled Banner on her clit with it, or the Mexican national anthem which I am still learning), some lotions, Encare Ovals (some girls like the heat and the fizz) and a diaphragm for damming up the Red River if necessary. Dildos bore me but I do usually carry one as a public service.
I've never been to Black's. Madaho's was expensive enough.
"Note to Self" . . .
---------------- Investigate Jew's Harp . . .
That's TWO tips you owe me for. If no Jew's harp available, in a pinch you can just hum. But the Jew's harp has a little flexible piece of metal in it which is good for gently spanking the nipple, clitoris, or perineal area. Also sometimes I have a cheap pair of handcuffs in the kit but I lost my last pair in New Zealand and never replaced it.
I am scheduled for a few days of fun in Buenos Aires. I was thinking of visiting a dentist.
Some of you guys have probably been dining at the Y and have visited a dentist in BA for a haircut. (An old joke).
What is a BA dentist charging to clean teeth? Did the dentist do the cleaning or was it a dental hygentist? Was the cleaning done with the pulsating water or ultra sonic technique? Or, was it done by hand with a metal pick?
Thanks in advance.
Hi Stand In,
Send me an email when you get to BA and I'll give you the name of an excellent dentist. He works out of a modern office on Callo in Recoleta and has given me excellent service.. Oh, yeah, his prices are approximately 20% of what American dentists charge.
Jackson
El Ricardo
10-19-03, 23:41
Chicago Boy 23,
Regarding language translators:
Etaco - Stay away from this company! I had a terrible experience with them when I tried to get language translator that included verb conjugations. They told me it did, and it didn't. When I tried to return it they gave me no end of crap! It took a lot of effort to get my own way. On a more technical scale, the translator they were trying to sell me was really designed for Eastern Europeans tryin to learn English. It was clumsy in its structure and slow. It had lots of problems.
Franklin - I carry one of these with me all the time. Its well designed, easy to use, and complete with conjugations, example sentences and sections for special needs (ie sentences for travel, emergency, hotel, etc.) I highly recommend it. One drawback: the cover is not well designed, and after a while (if you keep dropping it like I do, it comes off...permanently. I told the people at Franklin about this problem, and they were so interested that they had me send it back and they sent me a new one. Good company.
Sieko - My first translator was from Seiko, and had voice capability. It was also a pretty good translator, but the voicepart of it was weak and I found it so inaccurate that I didn't find it particularly helpful. Eventually, I came to believe that the voice feature was unimportant.
I have found that the chicas love these things and have made gifts of them to a few that I have gotten to knkow well. I also brought one down to a Remis driver I've gotten to know...it was for his son who was trying to learn English in school. The Remis driver told me that they are prohibitively expensive for him in Argentina. The translators I'm talking about usually run from $40 to $50 in the US.
ER
ChicagoBoy23
10-20-03, 15:58
thanks Ricardo
which Franklin model do you use?
Is it really palm size or notebook size?
El Ricardo
10-20-03, 16:30
I've been using the DBE-1450 (Franklin.) On my return flight from Madrid earlier this month, I noticed a $120.00 unit from Franklin with voice capability...I'm curious but less motivated since I depend on it less and less these days...if you choose this one, let me know what you think.
ER
ps too bad about our Cubs!
Prokofiev,
Besides the Pocket Rocket, I never leave home without some Thai beads. Basically, rubber balls, about 10 of them. 5 small ones, 5 bigger ones. Great for anal or vaginal.
Many girls love them.
[Maria]
JimBehr2000
When you talked to Maria last Friday, did you mean the 17th and do you remember about what time that was? She had told me she was not going to be there Friday, but I could have easily misunderstood the Spanish. Just curious, I guess.
Thanks
Hobby Fan,
Thanks for the response. I will give this a rest until after January, then see where it leads.
Thanks again,
Moondog
ChicagoBoy23
10-20-03, 19:55
thanks Ricardo - I just ordered the BES1850 from Smartware. Was $120 on Franklin site, $100 on Amazon, $81 on Smartware but by the time they added shipping and tax I was back to $100. Hard to believe I could've gotten 2 chica's for the same amount of money. I love BA!
the BES1850 talks spanish when you type english so we shall see what the chica's think when I go down to BA in 2 weeks. If nothing else it will be a nice novelty in the bars. Last time the girls loved playing with my camera phone.
I have noticed some differences between Europe Spanish and Argentine Spanish.
I'll let you know how it works out. May be huge future monger market for Franklin
Jimbehr2000
10-20-03, 23:38
Stormy it was on late Friday the 10th (technically the early AM of the 11th) that I saw her. I did not see her on Thurday the 9th or Saturday the 11th. A tout told me she wasn't returning until Monday the 12th. That was a holiday in BA. I only saw her that one time which was the 10th.
[Maria]
Sure am glad people are looking up my friend María. Keep in mind that the second session will be better than the first (which will be damn good anyway) and the third better than the second, etc., as long as you treat her right. And I better not hear about anybody not treating her right! And thanks again to the guy who brought her the toy trucks for her son. Anybody who takes her to a locutorio and has her send me an e-mail earns my eternal gratitude: Somebody already told her I would set myself on fire and jump off the Obelisco if I can't find her again so I guess just tell her I (El Toro Rojo) miss her.
Remember, she doesn't work on Sundays.
[Maria]
Is it just me or does anyone else believe that El Toro Rojo should stop being El Toro Obstinado and go make an honest woman out of this Maria. Either that or Jackson can give him his own section where he can pine away for the as yet unrealized love of his life. I will be in BA for the Thanksgiving fest and I will guarantee Dickhead that both b69 and myself will walk Maria to a locutorio and have her send him an email. If for no other reason than to satisfy my own curiosity and visualize the creator of this ongoing obsession. Better yet, as part of my continuing charitable BA donations I will even spring for a telephone call. Dickhead, I will email you with my personal email when it gets closer to my trip and if you want to talk to your angel you can email me back the number. Promise.
Hope to hear some others will be attending the Turkey feast.
[Maria]
Thanks, Slick. I view María as a valuable COMMUNITY resource and am not so egoista (selfish) as to hoard her all for myself. Prokofiev's the one who wants her out of circulation. I just want her to make money, be happy, and still be there for me (and anyone else!) when I get back. I won't be home for Thanksgiving (thought it would be Cuzco but now it looks like Cabo) but I'll be back the day after (i.e., Friday) if you want to set up a phone call. That would be way cool. But get a BJ too while you're at it. I'll try to stop cluttering up the board about her.
[Maria]
Dickhead,
Expect my email then during the 2nd week of Nov. for your number. I'll be there 10 days so there should be plenty of time to track her down and get it done. But we'll shoot for Fri. to give you something to be thankful for. Don't worry about singing too many of Maria's praises, we've all been there in some form or another.
Jaimito Cartero
10-21-03, 03:40
I was looking at some of the websites that Roxana had posted about, and I found a funny one at freewoman.com.ar
Carolina had her obscurred in the main picture, but in her gallery they don't. Seems to be a bit silly.
[Maria]
Thanks, ace. I appreciate it. If you get bored during the day, check out my Alejandra. Don't want her to go to waste either. Not of M caliber overall but well above average as a woman. Anyway 4382-3732. To her I am "El Vecino." Also try to give some attention to Antonela Soledad at Nuevo Estilo Boliche. She knows about El Toro Rojo. A few more pesos involved there, though.
EDIT: Some clown just back channeled me asking me how much commission I get to recommend María and Alejandra and anybody who knows me, which is like 20 posters, will tell you that is ridiculous. Answer = zero just for the record. It's all about the brotherhood.
[Maria]
Reasonable minds may differ, but I enjoy DH's continued discussion of Maria. I know them both (DH by extensive e mail, Maria in person) and neither wants to head down the aisle, so we won't be having a chatroom wedding soon, at least not on their account. Now if I could just Lorena to move out of 1965 Corrientes 13B....
[Maria]
I stand by my previous, long buried comments about Maria. She is a gem and if I'm selfish . . . OK , I'm selfish.
DickHead - You were just "backchanneled by a clown"? I bet THAT hasn't happened since your prison days! I hope he warmed you up first with a Jews Harp. Enjoy the Moon-Pie . . .
It's a JOKE . . .
Cheers , -P
Jaimito Cartero
10-21-03, 22:24
Well United finally has a sale from Denver that is only $419 plus taxes to EZE. (And $509 plus taxes from Phoenix). Of course these are "weekend" sales, so the most you can stay is about 10 days. Of *course* I have too much stuff going on to take advantage of it. Always happens.
Hopefully they'll have another sale near the end of November, beginning of December.
Chuponalgas
10-22-03, 01:51
HEY GUYS, HAD TO SHARE THIS: Incredible internet air sale, LAX, MIAMI OR NYC to Buenos Aires, with a free stopover in RIO OR SAO PAOLO!!!! For less than $600, lasts thru next year:
http://www.varigbrasil.com/english/fares/travel.html
Finally you can do the comparison test BA and Rio on the same trip!!!!
Shouldn't all this airfare crap be in the General section? Correct me if I am wrong.
One Tree Hill
10-22-03, 04:25
Greetings fellow mongers!
Finally got the kinks out and am able to post. I will be in BA with a friend of mine between Nov 7-14. This will be my 2nd trip there.
My first time was this past spring in late April. I did meet a few guys at Madahos (B69 I believe - Clarin Experiment?) as well as others whose handles I do not recall. I also met Moon Dog at Cafe Excedra.
I have also been to Thailand and Domenican Republic.
Who will be in BA Nov 7-14? Perhaps we can meet and share stories. I cant wait. Last time to BA did the club thing and the Cafe Excedra thing. Lookijg forward to some apartment mongering as well as trying my luck with the Clarin Ads.
Cheers!
[Maria]
To the backchannel clown: lay off Dickhead!
From personal experience I can say that Dickhead is a man of great integrity. If he endorses something (women, vibrators, restaurants, etc.) I am confident that compensation had nothing to do with it.
[Maria]
Dickhead,
As promised by Slick1, we will make it our mission to find Maria and get her to call you or get in touch with you one way or the other. Till then...
Besides, I am just curious to meet her after reading so much on her.
El Ricardo
10-22-03, 20:47
B69,
Are you making the trip to BA? I'm currently scheduling to be there Weds. to Sat. evening of Thanksgiving week...see you there?
ER
I am totally choked up over this outpouring of love and support. Well, okay, not really, but thanks everybody. JPF, one of my BA chicas and some of her play pals will be in your city soon, she says. Backchannel me if you want more info.
Hello El Ricardo,
Yes b69 plans on being in BA the last week of November. Would not want to miss a Thanksgiving diner in which many Pocahontas will be on the menu !!!
See you there then.
Take care.
I think its great that International Mongers like B69 can travel all the way from Europe and other far reachs of the globe just to join together, give thanks, and celebrate one of our most sacred American Holidays. Ahh never mind, who am I kidding...
[Maria]
Dickhead, I counted 347 posts about Maria, 289 about Alejandra and 100 some-odd with mention of both of them. If you're not getting a piece of the action then I'll be dipped in whale shit! Basta with the Maria and Alejandra show! We get the picture that they're both good and cheap. We'll take up a collection and buy you a big neon sign to hang on el Obelisco with their names, addresses and phone numbers. We know you can't help being a Dickhead but do you think you could nudge the needle from the groove it's stuck in on your record? Has anybody else heard as much about the Maria and Alejandra dynamic duo as they need to know but me?
Knuckhead in Paradise: Preflight inspection
Hello my fellow hobbyists in Buenos Aires!
For some time I have been following all the happenings chronicled on this board, and living vicariously through you. I must say, having read and benefited from many sections of WSG in the past, that I regard the posters to this particular section in highest esteem.
There is an amazing wealth of information present here, and a sense of community exists. Jackson, Saint, Uncle Otto, Andres, El Aleman, Jaimito Cartero and MoonDog, and all you other frequent posters to this forum, please accept my gratitude for providing me with hours and hours of entertainment, if for nothing else at all.
I am happy to report that after months of literally salivating over the adventures of you privileged few, I have taken the plunge and will be visiting over this weekend for a little "s"exploration of my own. Sadly, however, as uncle Otto would put it, I have a problem of "Ball and Chain" variety. On the bright side, I figured that there would always be some stupid sit-com re-run playing on the TV. Time and time again this has afforded me the opportunity for some "unmonitored" daytime forays during my previous trips. Nonetheless, I cannot help but feel jealous, as my BA experience will no doubt be pale in comparison to that of the serious (and "free") hobbyists that you are.
As such, I feel that my best strategy would be to avail myself of the services provided in the lovely apartments. I have read over all the posts from the old and the new forums and I can report that A) I now have vertigo (!!) from information overload and B) I have compiled a list of the apartments, mainly by paraphrasing from previous posts. For most experienced BA hobbyist this compilation will be redundant and not of much use, however, I want to share it mainly for the benefits of those in situations similar to mine. True credit goes to those brave souls for posting the reports initially, and no plagiarism is intended on my part. I have asked some questions to which I would appreciate getting answers from any hobbyist with information. Any other comments would also be greatly appreciated. Here is the list: All $ Prices are in Pesos.
Corrientes 1965 p13 B (4952-8234): Andres reported $30 for 30 minutes and $40 for hour. Another reported $50 for half an hour. Modern building with small waiting room where you get introduced to the girls.
Santa Fe 1707 3º: $60 for 30 minutes, $80 for 45 minutes and $100 for 1 hour, for normal sex. Best time to arrive there is around 3PM. Ring the bell; you'll be buzzed into a glass lobby with a set of stairs and elevator. Go up to the apartment, and you'll be introduced to about 5-7 ladies. Quality apparently has been reported higher than Corrientes.
Montevideo 271: Neighborhood full of shops and restaurants. Door is unmarked but open. Walk up about two flights of stairs and find a small bar. Entrance fee of $5 buys you a beer, and chicas are $30/half hour, $40/45 minutes, $50/hour. 1-2 girls are available. Rooms are in the back.
Bonnefemme Av Santa Fe 2036 2º "B". ar$100 for 1 hour per Andres. (Thank you Andres for your clarification)
Cielo Private: Larrea 1072. One report of $150/hr (included BBBJ)
Güemes 3221 2º "A", (Compiled this from Andres and Dickhead): Subte line D to Blumes exit, or bus#39 (Thanks Dickhead for your clarification) close to the Alto Palermo mall. Guemes runs parallel to Santa Fe and the cross street is Billinghurst. Quiet Building. The door is red. Ring the doorbell and someone comes down to open it. Andres reported being shown a photo album with the Internet pictures of the 4 available girls. $60 for 30 minutes, $80 for 45 minutes and $100 the hour. **Question: Do you have to call ahead or is it possible to just show up?**
Yerbal 1748 Phone 4632-9105. Near Alvarez intersection. Closed on Sundays. Big place with 2 rooms, and about 4 ladies to choose from. Reported price: 60 pesos for complete service ($50+$10 tip) for 1 hour, #30 for half an hour.
Rivadavia 1929/1931 first floor number 7: Inexpensive place! $30 for an hour $15 for half an hour.
El Pisito VIP: 916 Rivadavia, a big subdivided house with only one door. Two reporters both saw 6-10 girls, but quoted different prices. First one reported 35-40/hour, the second reported $70/hour. **Clarification please!**
975 Esmerelda #9E: Esmerelda and Paraguay. 80-100 pesos for 30 minutes.
Lavalle 1735 apt 5B. Service was reported as being "OK". $60 for an hour.
2254 French street (4825 9168): This place was highly reviewed by many posters. It is adjacent to J n B bar. Mainly for the locals. Madame reportedly speaks some English and is very privacy conscious. About 3 girls available, $100/hour. Another reporter in a later post mentioned $200 per hour. **Friends, please clarify the rate! I am especially interested in going to this one, and want to know if a call to the Madame is absolutely necessary before you show up. I do not know much Spanish but I am never shy about using what I know. Telephone calls in a language I know poorly are especially intimidating for me**
Tucuman 563: Daytime place. Walk down Florida until it intersects Tucuman, then take a left and look for 563. You can see the girls and leave if you do not find one that you like. $80 for 30 minutes.
Cafés:
Café Orleans: On Cordoba at the corner of San Martin. A "normal" café serving breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Older working ladies just "hang out" there. You sit and order something and may engage the one you like. This is mainly a daytime place (Noon-7pm) and a lot of local and Latin American Businessmen go there. Prices quoted were mainly in the $200 range. Very Close to hotel horizonte, a love hotel located at Av. Independencia 1340, which rents rooms by the hour. http://sensualbaires.com/lospinos/
Café Excedra: Same setup as above. 999 Cordoba, at intersection of Cordoba and C.Pellegrini, about 5 blocks away from Orleans towards Av. 9 De Julio.
Cafe Iberia, Avenida de Mayo 1100-1200 block. Same setup, again.
Now for some questions:
1) My understanding of the apartments is that no "call ahead" is necessary. Please let me know if this is true.
2) The impression that I have from reading the posts is that better quality can be found at Santa Fe and the French street place compared to other apartments. Is this True?
3) In regards to Cafés: Are there any non-working women in these places? One does not want to make a fool of himself mistaking one for a working girl! *Edit: Thanks MGB and PK for answering this point. The bottom line is the presence of cell phones on the tables and eye contact, and occasional joking with the waiters.*
And finally, I acknowledge that it would be a tragedy to come all the way down to BA and not experience one of the Recoleta clubs. As such, I will probably be making a short visit to one, and will be looking out for all of YOU! Hopefully, after my return I will have some information of MY OWN to share with you.
I will be staying at LoiSuites, (arranged by Mayra) over the weekend. I would love to hear from any one of you either here or through e-mail. It would be nice to know who is in town. Mine is sexplorer20 at "Microsoft's free and popular e-mail service" dot COM.
Re Guemes 3221: EITHER take Subte D to Bulmes OR take the 39 bus, not BOTH. Best to call first. $60 for 30 minutes and $80 for the hour, not $100 for the hour.
Knuckhead,
Yes, there ARE non-working women at Exedra and Orleans, especially Exedra. Women sitting alone and making eye contact are working girls. And some will sit in pairs chatting a bit, which can be confusing. Just sit and observe for a while and it should become clear. Don't judge on age or looks since some of the older ones 35-50 are pros as well and may dress as a typical housewife or secretary. Of course if you find someone you like, you will still need to find a place to do the deed - a major drawback.
Good Luck
Down,
I guess if there is something that YOU want to talk about, you should just post it and thereby change the subject. Didn't you just defend that guy Blueman who was clearly posting on the WRONG board?
My last reports (already over a week old).
There is a brothel located at Larrea 1072, all the necessary information is on the internet (Cieloprivate). The place is nice and clean, a pimp let me in and explained me everything (what I already knew from their website).
I did an hour (150 AR$ garganta profunda) with Soledad, a skinny dark haired green eyed girl, she's 22 and very mimosa.
Good BBBJ and double shot, friendly and willing girl. A little pricy though.
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Another attempt with an internet girl, Belen (Infiernobaires), didn't happen as I hoped. Belen's pics showed a tall blonde girl.
I phoned 4312 4249 to get the price (70 AR$ half hour, 100 AR$ hour) and the address (Suipacha 921, Piso 12, Apt C).
I arrived there and a Mamasan let me in. She immediatly started with an excuse, that Belen wasn't there because of problems with some family members ... (no further comment). She introduced me to a dark haired and good looking doable girl, but I then played a game as well and insisted on a blonde girl. She told me to wait for a moment and disappeared, after about 5 minutes she came back with a fake blonde, God knows where she managed to get her. But it wasn't for me and promised to call again the following day (which I wouldn't do anyway).
The Mamasan promised that Belen would sure be there the next day ...
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My final activities led me to Cafe Orleans at 19:00. I didn't believe what I saw. There were some very doable Ladies. I first had some dinner and later hooked up with Carolina (blonde with Beagle eyes). I saw her at Bar Iberia a few days before and she remembered me too. Took her to a shorttime Motel (Hotel Horizonte) for 100AR$ (large hour), she initially quoted me 250, which I refused.
Greetings and happy hunting to all the lucky mongers still in fabulous Buenos Aires,
Scorpio
(PS: Dickhead, should you ever write a book about your life's mongering activities, I will probably buy it. Your posts are always very enjoyable and fun to read.)
Knuckhead:
Bonnefemme: Av Santa Fe 2036 2º "B". As far as I remember, ar$100 for 1 hour (although other members reported ar$150).
Cielo: Larrea 1072. ar$120-150 1 hour depending on CBJ or BBBJ.
Güemes 3221: Bulnes subway station is located 3 blocks from there. Also, buses # 39, 152, 12, etc, bring you less than a block away. It's better to call in advance, but I guess that you may show up unanounced anyway.
In many places, prices change depending on the customer background (that is, they will try to charge you more if you are a foreigner).
Hope this helps.
Andres
MeGustaBoliches
10-24-03, 09:28
regarding pros and non-pros at Orleans and Excedra....
1. Very few non-pros at Orleans...when they show they are usually tourists there with spouses or fellow travelers...
2. Excedra...a bit trickier, but the vast majority are pros.
Look for two things: cell phone on the table and eye contact (you may need to initiate eye contact at excedra...some of the girls here are more cautious than in Orleans)....also, the mozos (waiters) in Excedra often go over and joke around with the pros, something they do not do with "normal" customers....
Dances:
I saw her twice in Madahos, both times when joining a group pf visiting mongers.
Despite that she keeps some charm and good looks, I think that she hardened in some way. I noticed it a year or half a year ago (I posted about it then) when still in Salome. She mentioned me that she got enough of the profession. Having started at 22 y/o and still in the business after 5-6 years, I guess that she perceives that she won't be able to leave the hobby soon, but youth will. Add to that the fact that she has to bear all the mongers' neurosis and whims day after day, and it is easy to understand why a chica starts to dislike her duties.
In my last conversation, I presented Jackson to her and mentioned that there were many mongers joining us. She declined to join us because she doesn't like to drink much (???). Chicas were hitting the group by flocks of 3 per minute and she didn't want to approach it... go figure.
As a side comment, Salome experieced a deep dive after the departure of many chicas. I saw Karen and Debora at Madahos, and in my last 2 visits to Salome the quality was lower than usual.
Hope this helps,
Andres
OttoGraham
10-24-03, 12:07
[Maria]
Originally posted by DownBA
Dickhead, I counted 347 posts about Maria, 289 about Alejandra and 100 some-odd with mention of both of them. If you're not getting a piece of the action then I'll be dipped in whale shit! Basta with the Maria and Alejandra show! We get the picture that they're both good and cheap. We'll take up a collection and buy you a big neon sign to hang on el Obelisco with their names, addresses and phone numbers. We know you can't help being a Dickhead but do you think you could nudge the needle from the groove it's stuck in on your record? Has anybody else heard as much about the Maria and Alejandra dynamic duo as they need to know but me?
Only 347 posts about Maria? I thought that number was much higher.
I too am pretty tired of this broken record, though I haven't said anything about it.
Perhaps the best solution would be to open up a separate Maria thread, where those who are interested in her can endlessly rehash their opinions, which have been cluttering up this thread for a long time now.
-Uncle Otto
" Sadly, however, as uncle Otto would put it, I have a problem of Ball and Chain" variety."
Knuckhead, I will be interested to read about your trip. I'm actually planning a similar trip myself. In addition to the possibilities for daytime TV, don't forget about the possibilities for shopping. My better half isn't into TV much, but she loves clothes and fashion (she's European, NOT American). Armed with nothing more than a credit card, she could wreak havoc in BA for days and not miss me for a minute. With the peso being where it is, the damage shouldn't be too bad.
I've also thought of including her in an outing. Black's is right across the street from the Alvear. It would be very easy to stumble in one night by mistake... "Gee, dear, I wonder what all these gorgeous young women are doing here?"
And let her take it from there...
Guillermo
Guillermo, why don't you try to arrange with a fellow monger(s) to meet after dinner. Make sure she's well tired after shopping and lot of food. Tell your wife you got to know the guy on an Internet board about tourism in BsAs (true). Tell her you guys would like to stay out a little longer for a "boy's night out" (true). Translate that to her as some strip or nightclub. To you, it's a visit to a club of your choice and then go to a short-time hotel in the city. If she insists to tag around, you have to find a place matching the euphemism above, or blind raise and go for the real thing as you suggested. Good luck!
Thanks Stoly,
I have considered the possibility of hooking up with some other mongers. It's certainly plausable to have met over the internet. I could even have Roxana give us her city tour. Unfortunately, after a long day of shopping and lots of food, I'M the one who will most likely be tired out. She'll never go for the boy's night out line. She has almost as much fun in strip clubs as I do. I probably should explain, she's from Eastern Europe.
Afternoon apartments are probably the best bet. I haven't been to the Colmenga yet, but I imagine the hombres go one way the the mujeres the other. So while she's getting her facial and manicure, I could be having a massage. ;-)
When you think about it, the possibilities are endless, at least in BA.
Guillermo
[Maria]
Estimado Tio Otto,
Tal cual as they say in Argentina!!! Thanks for the great chuckle I got from reading your post.
I agree that there should be either a Maria and Alejandra thread or a Dickhead thread or both so anybody wishing to avoid reading about the Filene's bargin-basement dynamic duo of BA's hiding places, color of their bombachas and phone numbers on a daily basis can simply avoid the threads.
Un abrazo Tio Otto, DownBA
Guillermo:
I'd be sure to post my BA report from the "Ball and Chain"ed perspective in a few days. I'm glad to hear from some of you in similar positions (they say misery loves company!). Judging from all the glowing posts hre I was begining to worry that I was the only one!
Along the lines of Stoly's suggestions, here is a novel, devious plot from my sick mind:
Step 1) City tour by Roxana arranged earlier and attended with 2-3 mongers WITH their "ball and chain".
Step 2) As the day goes on, the mongers, pretending never to have met before and to be totally unsuspecting tourists begin to "click". Simultaneously, the "ball and Chain" company begin NOT to click.
Step 3) At the end of the tour the guys express their interest in visiting one of the monuments/sights/sporting arenas together, preferably one farthest from any conceivable shopping area as confirmed by Roxana, and one with practically no appeal for the ladies!
Step 4) All involved mongers now have a mutual alibi which could be used either jointly or separately!!
Sick, sick, sick....I'm out the door for the airport now!
[Maria]
You know what? DH's posts about Maria or whatever he likes, don't bother me a bit. I didn't read the board for quite a while and when I started again, DH was still there, once again with a lot of stories, lot of factual info, and Maria spins too. It has been kind of reassuring to me, like a watching again a soap at home after a long trip. Actually I never liked soaps but being this sex oriented I make an exception.
There are long, glorious posts, there are short ones and there are the perennial generic requests. From time to time we manage to get some overpayer flamed, and before you realize it's turkeyday again and we get ready to get our lonely hearts rewarmed at annual meeting in BA. There's no danger of cluttering, as this is simply a live forum for anyone to bring his own. We don't need any additional thread, rather learn how to move your visual focus to the next when we run into a post that is not exactly what we'd like to read.
It's all good, just enjoy yourself guys.
Hey, Guys:
What about if I bring your "ball & chain" after the city-tour, to a Chippendale's show, and I can also recommend your "b&a" a session with some strippers that I know, so the Ladies would be in the same ilegal position as you, and they won't be able to bust your balls anymore????? :)
I Love my job, I love to make people happy!!!!
Kisses, Roxana.
Of course!
Roxana's impeccable upbringing and unquestionable social etiquette (not to mention her little black book) always allows her to suggest the perfect solution for any occasion.
I don't know, though. Chippendale's, or an afternoon of shopping at Patio Bulrich. That's pretty much a toss up.
Guillermo
One Tree Hill
10-25-03, 01:11
Doing a bit of research for my upcoming trip Nov 6th and found the following sites for what appears to be Chica apartments.
Anyone familar with these?
lemaison.com.ar
bonnefemme.com.ar
Thanks.
MeGustaBoliches
10-25-03, 09:06
Roxana...
You are a diabla! Great idea...take the ladies to Golden!!!!
The women I know who have been say it NOT like Chippendales...it is mucho mas graphic...they loved it!!!!
G, keep em out of Patio Bullrich if at all possible, the Blacks of shopping malls....lol.....
Guillermo,
Diamonds ARE a girl's best friend, aren't they? The jewelry district on and around Libertad is full of incredible bargins with the exchange rate being what it is......so I recommend that you pick a convenient time to tell your "b & c" directly that you intend to go check out a nice, shiny surprise for her since you just can't pass up the opportunity to buy at almost 3:1. And then I recommend that you go to some highly touted apartment FIRST and then and only then buy the jewel to avoid the risk of somehow seeing the gift "grow legs" and walk out of the apartment without you while you're having fun.
Last time I was in BA I bought a gorgeous diamond ring and the shopkeeper wanted me to give her the cash in a certain part of the store where the angle wouldn't allow people to see the exchange and then she recommended that I walk outside and hail the very first cab and go straight to my hotel and put the ring in a safety deposit box. Thieves can smell these things like a shark smelling blood in the water.
And by the way, the ring was appraised at about 3-1/2 times what I paid for it when I got back to the states, so it's no joke that there are some great bargins to be found in BA.
Good luck coming up with a good ruse, Guillermo! DownBA
David 1967 aka Lollipopman
I met Mr. Jackson from a fellow hobbyist I had met in trip buddies section in another website. He asks me to write little about the information I have on Buenos Aires. The following are my notes with an expanded explanation.
A little about me, 36 years old I work in the field of education and I am in the army national guard. I admit I have been over spending as I am waiting to be call to active service to deployment or Kosovo or the Persain Gulf. I take five to seven trips a year (February third week, Easter week, July, August, thanksgiving week, veterans day weekend, memorial day weekend). I discovered BA by accident. Due to my unit’s activation for security missions around New York I missed keeping my Gold status on American Airlines by about 8,000 miles so I bought a ticket to BA(it was the cheapest ticket available) to do a mileage run for a weekend. I had such a good time I have been back five times since my first trip.
My previous experience has been in Haiti and the Dominican Republic. I have been to the Dominican Republic twenty-five times since my first trip in August 1999. I keep notes on the best places I have been too. If I don’t enjoy a place I usually remember it. I only take pictures of the girls I like so if you see my album you know she has been good for me. I am a creature habit If I had a good time at a place I always return until I have a bad time or I find something better and cheaper. I usually see the same girls over and over again, no three-time rule for me. I have the f**k up rule. You f**k up with me we are through. I am very unforgiving, there are just too many girls to try out to go back to problems.
There are girls in the DR I have been fucking for almost four years.
My type of girl: I like them “ghetto girls”-very poor women with children who have no choice of profession. Girls with no education and nothing go on in their lives. (Do not confuse this for “loser” they are not. It is due to their supporting a family and the social-economic conditions 0f their country puts them in a tight spot.) I get rid of the girls with poor hygiene, bad manners, and poor attitude, don’t look happy, don’t smile, and don’t treat others kindly.
My type of place: I like a place with space to sit down, relax, move around and see the girls, and enough light to see them with. I don’t want to be hassled to buy girls drinks or people selling other things. I’m only here to buy pussy and anything that interferes with it is a distraction. The two places that best fit my requirements are Madhos and Affaire. Right now I am presently going to Affaire and when I finish doing all the girls I want I will move on to Madhos.
I will write about affaire because I spent the most time in that places. I was in Affaire in June, July, August, and September. I would say a total of 60 days more or less.
My mode of operation is based on my experiences in the DR, teaching English as a second language classes, and teaching in the mandatory welfare program. I have learned through experience to treat these women like children. First two nights I walked into Affaire, I didn’t smile, laugh, talk to anyone, I just watched and took notes(I have a note pad with me because I am lousy with names) with a stern face. Anyone that approached me I would introduce myself to them and when they ask for a drink I would give a stern no! and shoo them away in quickly. I didn’t tip anyone (bar tenders, front door guy, waitresses etc.). I was a real asshole for three days but from the end of June to September, no girls bugged me to buy them drinks, no one bugged me for tips, and no girls approached me without me asking for them (except for the new girls and I am working on them). We Americans don’t know this but in this part of the world it is better to be known as an asshole than it is to be nice. If I did this in New York I would never get laid. Trust me when I say these argentine men treat their women much rougher.
In terms of price I do not negotiate with girls. I dictate what I am willing to pay. I have one price structure 100ps for an hour, 150ps for two hours, 200ps for all night(I never take a girl all night as I snore and the girls never get any rest then are to tired to do anything in the morning), and 50ps if we make a movie/pictures (I mean a video taping with light, sex toys etc), 30-50ps fuck you in the ass(deepens on how I feel, usually give the fifty because I have them play with my but plugs and other anal toys). I never pay extra for taking just pictures. This means I tend to overpay for the average looking girls and I am underpaying for the real good-looking girls. The best looking girls in the place are always happy to take 100ps for an hour. It has been the average looking girls that have asked for big money (150ps). My theory is that argentine men are paying less to the average looking thus those girls are very busy and don’t want to be bothered with me unless I pay more. While the good looking girls demand 100ps and more thus are less busy and have fewer potential customers. I remember one night one argentine guy was complaining the girls were being bitches because know one would take his 60 ps. I usually give them 5-10ps for cab fare if they I had a really good session (My apartment is across the street from the club).
Let me mention the issue about time. If a girl likes you and or is having a good time an hour is the same as an hour and a half. I have had over thirty different girls and only encountered four girls were time was an issue. Three of those girls were absolutely worthless, the fourth wanted and extra 25ps to pay a bar fine. I think she was bullshitting me, but 25ps for an extra hour is not something to complain about. Most of my dates were running an hour and 15-20 minutes total time only the four above had an issue with time. (The apartment I rented was across the street from the club). I have had to ask the girls many times, when are you going? We finish when I am finished.
I need to mention some of the games the girls like to play. First one is the misunderstanding price game. “I thought you meant 100 dollars, 100pesos is a little money”. When you hear this laugh and open the door. She has one choice your price or nothing do not even give cab fare. Danila played this game the first time I met her (Other girls like this game too). Yes, the same girl I recommended below. When they see they will end up with nothing they relent. The girls like introduce me to their, “sister or cousin” for a threesome, but I know for a fact no one there is related to each other.
Affaire is busy Thursday through Saturday. If you come to pick up women these days start early 2300hrs or come late 0230hrs. The local guys come in about 0000hrs feel these girls up for about 3 hours then they go home for the most part. A few girls get taken out. They tend to return about 0300 if you like sloppy seconds. You know when to come back. The management allows the girls to leave about 0400hrs (Thursday to Saturday). They leave about 0300HRS Sunday to Wednesday. You can see their boyfriends in the lobby at about 0400-0430hrs (Thursday-Saturday). Sunday to Wednesday is a dead period. These are good days to come along and get to know the women. It is better to start late as the better-looking girls do not show up until 0000hrs. They all pretend to like each other. Do not be fooled it is very competitive. They badmouth each other to me and tell me all the gossip. Do not tell one girl what you do not want the whole place to know. They love to gossip, I know what other Americans pay in the club and what they like etc.
The girls love flowers. I know an old guy on Paraguay (one block off Florida) that sells some nice flowers cheap. Make him give you some free flowers if you buy a lot. You could buy a large bunch of roses on Santa Fe for 20ps and have them you give extra rapping and then break it up into about three separate bunches. The price I pay is well worth it to see the expression on the faces of the front door people when we return. I buy a box of chocolates, take out all of them (Put them in the refrigerator) but three. This way I can offer chocolates without a girl eating them all. You can tell a lot about a girl’s manners. Do they take without asking? Do they at least leave one for you?
I am going to go out on a limb and recommend some girls from that club. Some of these girl have already have been mentioned in the post here. I pick girls for there attitude, and how good I think the sex will be first, before I look at how attractive they are. You have been warned. Mr. Jackson can tell you from the pictures and video they maybe average looking but they sure can f**k. I give oral sex but don’t care if I receive it therefore I can’t tell you to much about their oral skills. First is Danila she is a real pro. You sit down with her first and discuss what you want and the price BEFORE YOU DO ANYTHING THE FIRST TIME. After the first time she is a real sweetheart. She is available all hours, as she has no kids. She is a little self-centered but the sex is real good. She took a dildo in her ass no girls could ever take. Great anal sex with her. She is a medium build girl but don’t be fooled she works out at the gym in my notes, that is muscle on her. Next is Shanell a 18 year old with a tight pussy. I never thought a girl in this profession could have such a tight pussy. She has a great attitude and one of the really good-looking girls I date. She loves to dance so dance with her first before you take her home. Dolly is an older Paraguayan woman. You have to kick her out of your room to get rid of her-great sex will do anything except anal. If you like big girls Lorena is big and great sex she is very popular despite a lack of an abundance of beauty. She will tell you two hundred pesos if you ask. She will be happy with a hundred.There used to be a belly dancer named vicky who I have not seen since July 2003. She has her picture posted in this board and will happly take 100ps for an hour. You see her in the club you grab her and you post me a message. Another girl you might see is Zelene. She is an older argentine woman. I didn’t plan to date her but when you sit in the same bar 22 days straight and a girl almost always has a date I need to see what the fuss is about. She won’t win any beauty contests but is one of the best fucks in the whole place. You have trouble with an erection she is the one to see. She wants to a guy to pay for two hours and is well worth it.
I enjoy Affaire because it plays to my strengths but it is not the best bang for your buck. You pay 20 to get in, 25 for her drink, and then you pay for the girl. The independent girls on the Internet from what Mr. Jackson showed me are the best bargain. The have more free time for you, all your money is going to her directly, and if she likes you, you should get a cheaper price and more services. I have been to almost all the club and I don’t Affaire is the best, but, “I would rather rule in hell than serve in heaven.” Affaire is my hell.
Mr. Jackson asked me to mention apartments since I rent apartments in town. In my experience renting an apartment is the way to go. I usually stay in the Recoleta area. I have looked into staying at an hotel but they are expensive in the Recoleta area. Generally these apartment site work like this: They are listed on the internet when you see what you like you e-mail them, they e-mail you the total cost(rent, Commission, maid service etc). They may want a deposit sent to them by western Union. My recommendation is that you call them direct tell them what you want and pay the total price when you see the apartment if you only staying short time. If you like what they have to offer you can leave a desposit for next time. These places deal in cash (No doubt to avoid the taxman) so there is a trust issue. The up side is they are cheaper than hotel, no one to tell you whom you can bring into your room, more privacy (People hear tend to mind their own business), you can cook meals, and the apartments are better than some hotels. The down-side, some girls may be leery of coming to an apartment, the security of these places vary (Most places could not stop a sophisticated criminal), and no one to back you up if you have problems with a girl (Hotel will throw them out). If you need to cancel there is a heavy penalty to pay. Sites I have used or have been recommended to me:
I would also like to recommend e-fax.com. You can sign up at their site for a free message/fax number. It is a great number to give girls to call you in the US. They can fax you a message or leave voice mail that is sent to your computer. When they call for money I just pretend never to have received it.
My best advice I can give for new guys is to read WSG and find guys to hang out with when you come in country. I find the most knowledgeable whoremongers do not post. You can only get their information when you meet them.
You have any questions or need information don’t hesitate to post it and I will respond as best I can. Looking forward to seeing everyone at the Thanksgiving party.
David1967
Below are my rough notes –some have been deleted to protect the guilty.
BUENOS AIRES NOTES
CONTENTS
CONTACTS
WINE STORES
RESTARANTS
APARTMENTS
CLUBS
TAXI/TRANSPORTATION
BARS
AFFAIRE GIRLS
MUSEO
ALTERNATE HOTELS
CHECK OUT NEXT TIME
SHOPPING MALLS
US PHONE NUMBERS
GIRLS
RULES OF AFFAIRE
RULES OF THE ROAD
MASSAGE PLACES
CONTACTS
WINE STORES
My best advice you go to the Winery and you try until you find what you like, then try all the different stores as they all recommend base on what they sell and have on stock. You should be able to come up with a variety that you like. like sweet/semi-sweet wines like Saint fleicen. Saint fleicen is a very sweet wine (desert wine?).
Ligier-you get advice based on what they have to offer. Check out each store as the inventory changes and varies by store. They do a good job of packing if you tell them it has to go on a plane.
TtE. Gal. J. D. Peron 1621
Av. Callo 1111
Av. Santa Fe 800
Montevideo 218
Av. Santa Fe 3441
Av. Rivadavia 4995
Winery-serves sandwiches has people that speak english can taste wines large selection, good prices for what I buy.
Av.del Libertador 500 4325-5200(Here two guys speaks english)
Ave. Del Libertador 5100 4774-1190
Av. L. N. Alem 880
Village Pilar Panamericana Km. 50
RESTARANTS
Munich –Robert M. Ortiz 1879 place to try looks fancy
Campo dei Fiori- Venezuela & Santa fe
Grants 1125 Junin- tenedor libre
Lola-guido & Junin 4802-3023/4804-5959
Delive-Lee chinese food –M. T. Alvear 1735-good food here take out
Zipane-M. T. Alvear 818 4311-2930/3803- pizza place, good pizza and empanadas
El Palacio De la Papa Frita-lavalle 735/954, av. Corrientes 1612
Empanadas Caseras-av. Las Heras 1958, 4803-1122
La Caballeriza-Vincente Lopez 2024 4806-3262 favorite steak place cook with wood a different taste.
La Strada-Village Recoleta Vincente Lopez 2008-good pizza had good dinner didn’t like empanadas.
This is a partial list of restaurant s that have been recommended to or I have eaten at their place. I have yet to go to a place I can say, “Don’t go there”.
APARTMENTS
Cuidad De La Paz 428-70ps hr place as told to me from another source.
Cabildo 1182-reported to be dogs?? From another source.
2036 Santa Fe-?? I heard about this place the address only
Larrea 1072 piso 1- 120ps-180 ps(CULO) cross street is near cordoba-supermarkets are near by. I assume the rest of the place is very nice from what I saw. Girls are dressed up real pretty. I just didn’t take anyone that time I was there. Cross street is near codoba
French 2254- 100ps did not see anyone I wanted. Therefore madam wanted 30 ps for the privalage of seeing four girls. I told her to go fuck herself in English and Spanish. I know guys swear by this place so check it out and you have been warned. Cross street is a few bolcks from codoba. Near a nice gym
Laprida 947 80ps completo-bbbj good service from two different girls. Both would not let me take picture of them with their clothes on. Bring a towel IF YOU WANT TO SHOWER FIRST. Their towels are the size of wash clothes. Nice friendly place a little on the dumpy side. Cross Street is cordoba
Eemeralda 973 apt 9e 4313-3419/4315-9411/4312-2356-favorite apartment need to push for new prices/quality of girls has declined somewhat from last trip. The girls at this place change rapidly I always go and find something new.
Esmeralda 973 apt1C-girls look sickly-I avoid this place
Tucuman 563-girls were ugly 50ps girls at best. (Sunday visit)
1707 Santa Fe 3rd floor 100ps hour girls look pretty had andrea not good for me. Nothing special for me.
Larrea 882- 40ps hour two girls both cute one chubby, my kind of girls. Place is a real dump. Return February trip
4954-2763 apartment not many girls because of Easter could be my kind of place. ??????
CLUBS
Salome-3401 cordoba places with no entrance fee but I paid more for bottle water than other places 15ps. When I asked the guys the price he told me 100ps for and hour and 200ps for two hours was too much. There is a quicky hotel about two blocks away. Not my kind of place but you should see for yourself.
Affaire-Guido 1967-affairenight.com.ar-see report above
Café Orleans-499 Cordoba (Florida) Juan is the thin small waiter. //GOOD PLACE TO MEET GUYS
TAXI/TRANSPORTATION
TAXI-5238-0000
Taxi-4942-5646/4941-9666
Manuel Tienda Leon-bus service to and from airport every half hour on the hour/free service to largest mall in town.
Retri Bus Station Ramos Mejia 1680 4310-0700
Estacion Constitution Gral. Hornos 11. 4304-0028/31
Ezeiza airport 5480-61111/4480-0224
Buquebus 4316-6500
Ferrylineas Maipu 866 4311-4700
American Airlines Suipacha 1111/ Santa Fe 881 main# 4318-1111 4310-9999//4c30t78
Air Sea Land Maipu 566 piso 7f 4322-0016/4327-2730-travels for the interior
Remises le coq 4964-2000-got a rate of 25ps to the airport from recoleta.
BARS
Buller Brewing company Pte. R. Oritz 1827-has direct tv, had good food only one visit
THE KILKENNY M. T. Alvear 399 bar for americans
Deep Blue-Ayacho 1240, Reconconquista 920-bar with pool table- a hip place.
Filo- San Martin 975 bar
Henry J. Bean-Junin 1749- good bbq ribs,hamburgers with bacon, puts salt on french fries,ficken fingers, has direct tv but no football.
AFFAIRE GIRLS
MUSEO
Museo De Armas-Av. Santa Fe 702 esq. Maipu-Tuesday-Friday 1400-1900 HRS
BRING NEXT TIME
Lollipops-treat the girls like children
Aluminum foil/tupperware-nothing kinky for the leftover to bring to my apartment
English programs/books for andrea
Brugal ron
Umbrella
Calculator
MISC PLACES
Compumundo-cabildo 2075, Sant Fe 2048, COMPUTER STORE.
Diki-libertad 1157 4812-5695, good candy store has some of my favorites candies
El Viejo Almacen- av. Independencia Y Balcarce, recommended tango show
Nautilus-esmeralda 1022-phone internet place phone service resonable internet access is fast.
American Express-(Plaza San Martin)Arenales 707 mon-Friday-900-1700 4310-3000/4312-1661
Mastercard-Peru 151 mon-fri-0930-1800hrs 4340-5700/4348-7000
Center for National Tourism 0-800-555-0016 0800-2000HRS
Information office BA 4311-05280-0700-1300HRS/4313-0187-1000-1800HRS
Tour office-Santa Fe 883
Federal police-101/4346-7000
US Consulate-av. Colombia 4300 5777-4533/4
ALHEC Group- 641 Paraguay money exchange place
Sony products-Florida 703-has stuff for my video camera may need. The guy knows where to get help for electronics.
Blockbuster video- 2523 cordoba
ALTERNATE HOTEL
MAKE RESERVATIONS AT THE AIRPORT
Gran Hotel Buenos Aires-M. T. Alvear 767 4312-3003-my favorite hotel
Apartment Guido 1976 7c 4801-0948//123*-0948
Plaza Roma-cheap alternative.
CHECK OUT FOR NEXT TIME
MAMBOBAR.COM.AR
TOMO carlos Pellegrini 521 4326-6698/6695
Armani café Alvear 1750
Lavenciana.com.ar
SHOPPING MALLS-these modern shopping malls seem to me like places for tourists and rich with nothing better to do with their money. And to boot they seem overpriced and very “Americanized”
Patio Bullrich-nothing special the office for the boat to uraguay is in mall they didn’t speak English
Galaria Pascifico-has my favorite ice cream place Valencia
Unicenter largest shopping mall-use Manuel Tienda bus sevice for free transfer
US PHONE NUMBERS
Evylen 230-7800
BA Tour office 12 west 56 st 603-0443
GIRLS
RULES OF AFFAIRE
1. Avoid the new girls until they know me.
2. Keep track of the new girls.
3. Call favorites every month.
4. Make to do list and prioritize
a. favorites
b. Target list.
c. B list girls.
d. New girls
5. Tip at the end.
RULES OF THE ROAD
MASSAGE PLACES
Esmeralda 847 piso 12H- 60ps hour for massage other services offered also. favorite is gisel-NICE PLACE but no bed for fucking. Bring your own massage oil it is better.
NOTE: These are my rough PERSONAL notes. If you do not understand something just post me a message on the board and I will try to post a more detailed explanation
I posted this in another website but you can post this on your website if you wish.
First trip
AFTER ACTION REPORT BUENOS ARIES, ARGETINA
Trip date: 1300 HRS 9 November- 1700 HRS 11 November
Exchange Rate 3.5 ps to 1 dollar US
MY Spanish is good enough for about an hour of conversation
My purpose for writing this report is to share information, confirm information, and get feedback from members who know Buenos Aries (BA) better than I. This was my first trip to BA. I arrived Saturday and left Monday night. This was a “miles Trip” to maintain my frequent flyer status (10,500 flight miles about 17,000 with bonuses). Please feel free to contact me with any corrections/ insights. I need the help as I plan to return when in February as long as I don’t called to active duty (Army).
Conclusion: I enjoyed BA immensely. The food, women, and hotels were wonderful. My usual destination is the Dominican Republic (Santo Domingo, Boca Chica)(DR). The women from BA (You get a mix, Brazilian, Paraguayan, etc) seem better education and overall a better “class.” The cuisine is very superior to what I encountered in the DR(Boca Chica/Santo Domingo). Contrary to the previous post about BA posted here you do not have to spend 100 US to have a good time with these girls. I will return to BA as long as there is a favorable exchange rate. My only pet peeves everything is spread-out (Taxis are plentiful and across town is about five pesos) and I never had to do so much walking around and taxi rides to find pussy.
The following report is based on my very limited experience.
I Left Kennedy Airport for BA 2100 HRS 8 November. This plane is smaller than the airbus that goes to the DR. The flight is ten hours long. I would recommend one of those a funny head pillow that fits around the neck, ear plugs, something to keep you busy if you can’t sleep (14 year in the Army I can sleep under any conditions). Avoid the seats near the galley areas. They are high traffic/high noise areas. For this flight I had the Toshiba 2000 DVD, Magazines, and my CD player. The first class, Business class, and the front section of coach have the 15-volt plug, which powered my DVD player. The food on American Airlines seems to have declined in recent year so I would recommend a sandwich and cookies for your flight.
BA airport (Code EZE) you should avoid the change cubicles near the baggage pick up.(Thank you guys from previous posts) When you clear customs there is a bank to your left the exchange rate was better(3.4-1 US?). Once you go through the double doors there is the tourist office on yor right. They speak good English they recommended restaurants, places to go, give out free maps of the city(Best free map I found-you will need one for the taxi driver here in town have no clue), and booked me a hotel. They called the hotel, took the name of the person they spoke to, confirmed the price, and gave me all the information in writing. (Great Service). When I returned to the United States I had to pay additional airport tax about 15 US?
The few change places I went to wanted an extra fee to change travelers checks to pesos. About 2% with a minimum charge of 5 dollars US.
TSM Action
I was told many the clubs are slow on Saturday and Sunday. It also rained Saturday and Sunday. Here things do not get started until very late-0100 HRS and later. Overall, drink prices at these clubs run about 20ps for girls and us guys the prices vary(All overpriced). You may pay an entrance fee (ask to take a quick look before you pay there may be only 2-3 girls present or none) the price may be offset with coupons for free drinks. These place are not real bars (ask for a ginger ale) just whorehouse in disguise. Some places have rooms in the back to do your business, but I never used them. Next time I return I plan to use the cafes (I am a day person). I prefer the quieter laid back atmosphere. I avoid the high priced drinks, and if I use my hotel, I avoid paying for the quickie hotel. The girls seem better (type,personnality,looks)? My two days of impressions.
Café Orlean-nice café/environment. I ate breakfast once and the food was good. I picked up two women on separate occasions in this place gave them 200 ps for one hour. According to the Americans that were staying there longer I over paid. They told me girls will take 100-200 ps for an hour. When I have only 2 ½ days I do not haggle to hard. They both passionate and had good sex. I like sex in the daytime and the Hotel Horizen is around the corner and it is very nice.(40-60 ps for 2 hours) The café Orleans never ask for any money when I walked out with the girls(two separate occasions). I paid for one drink (9ps) with one girl and the other had a tab running (She did not ask me to pay for the drink). The only day time place I found that had anything good. (I forgot to bring copies of previous post) When I went Saturday and Sunday it had only a few women. On Monday afternoon It had about 10 women and I would have paid to fuck anyone of them.
Cutty Sark-Reconguista 873 tel. 4311-0796. I went Saturday night. They had only four women present at about midnight. The people seem pleasant. I had a drink and waited for some one I can speak to about the cost of the girls. Finally, a patron walked in who told me he was a regular. He told me he pays 50 ps for a half-hour and 100 ps for an hour. Later I met Marylin looked like a six fucked me like a ten. She was from Paraguay with a sweet personality. They ask for a 100 US(THEY ALL DO-I DO NOT KNOW WHY). I told her the guys here only pay 100 ps for and hour and she readily agreed.
Affaire-Guido 1967(near cementerio de la Recoleto) tel. 4803-1812 This place had about 10-15 girls on a Sunday night. I end up with a girl (19 yrs) from Honduras ( 7) paid her 100ps for an hour and well worth it. Low pressure environment. I used a quickie hotel near by Tanger Hotel(En Recoleta: J. M. Gutierrez 2582/Pueyrredon y Las Heras).
Tributo Night Club- Chacabuco 166 tel. 4342-1817
Was dead(no girls) until I return at 200 HRS Monday and then only had 3 girls. Pick up one girl for 100ps (6) but fuck very good and for a long time.
Playwomen -Azuenaga 1968 tel. 4804-7077/4806-4183
Nice show, entrance fee(20?ps) offered a girl(Camera ) 50 US and she agreed so quickly and happily I got the impression that was to much to offer. I never return for her. When I go back I will try again.
Solid Gold-near Playwoman-very push when it comes to drinks and the girls are looking for big money(First impression).
My overall impression of the girl-No one seemed to be in a rush, very laid back, the girls are shy even the street walker what few I saw unless you literally grab a girl they leave you a lone. All of them asked for money upfront. Of course I went ballistic over that( My Boca Chica training) I would show them the money and that would sometimes be enough. You need to speak Spanish in this country (saying culo and cerveza wont cut it here). I found only some of the hotel staff and a few places speak English.
Other places I know or were recommended to me:
Manuel Tienda Leon
Tel. 4314-3636/4315-5115
www.tiendaleon.com
bus company at airport charge was 3.00 US for drop off at bus station or 4.00 US for drop off at your hotel.
www.turismo.gov.ar tourist information
Hotel Tandil
Ave. de Mayo 890 e-mail:supertandil2@hotmail.com tel. 4343-2597/8
Price 30ps per day air con. Cable tv
Did not see room totally occupied. Recommended by cab driver. The old lady at the desk told me girls no problem but only one at a time.
Hotel Madrid
Ave de Mayo 1135-C1085 ABB tel./fax 4381-9021
e-mail:reserva@hotel madrid.com.ar
web hotel madrid.com.ar
Recommended by cab driver. Price 35ps per day
Fiamingo Apart Hotel
Talcahuano 120 tel. (011)-4374-4400
e-mail: reservas@Fiamingoapart.com
web: fiamingoapart.com.ar
recommended by an american staying there.
Gran Hotel Buenos Aires
Marcelo T. de Alvear 767
Tel. (54-11) 4312-3003
I stayed at this hotel you have to pay 10 ps (PER DAY)if you want to bring up a girl other than that no problem. Paid 87ps per day. They have a computer(internet access) for hotel guest. Nice quiet hotel. Room service and mini-bar with frig.
Rent cellular
Nolitel for BA and Brasil
e-mail:reservas@nolitelgroup.com
tel. 4575-1760/61
I was told you pay to send and receive calls.
Radio taxi oeste
Disciunt if you call 10%
Tel 4644-6688
Paid 25ps leaving BA to the airport during rush hour. If you leave on a weekday leave extra time for traveling the traffic could be as bad as Manhattan. You need a good map (airport) as these taxi driver basically don not know their city.
Cab driver Oscar-I used this cab driver for Saturday night from 1900hrs-500hrs(ten hour) for 200ps. He was with me at all time. Did I over pay? And by how much? Tel. 15 5776-62038
Museo del Jamon (Spanish Cuisine)
Cerrito 8 esq. Rivadavia
4382-4144// 4382-7648
La Estancia (Argentine meat)
Lavalle 941/45 tel. 4326-0330/0025
Web: asadorlaestancia.com.ar
Second trip
David1967 AKA Lollipopman Returns to Buenos Aries
Exchange rate: 3.10
Dates: 15 February- 23 February
Airfare: 551.00 American Airlines (Bought Ticket in December)
What I like best about BA is the variety of girls to fuck. The pussy is fabulous. I had Dominican, Colombian, Honduran, Paraguayan, and Brazilian in less than two days. The next best thing is the food. The variety, quality, quantity, and cost I have never seen in all my travel (i.e. Dominican Rep, Mexico, Nevada, cruise ship etc.). I gained a few pound after this trip.
I wrote this report in the format as Issue, Discussion, and recommendation. I lost my notebook with the names and address but will fill in the blanks when I return in April.
Issue: Girls Vicinity of Constitution Ave.
Discussion: Getting there-take the “C” train to the last stop (70 centavos) I was told the last train leaves about 100 AM. The cab fare from Café Orleans was about 4/5 pesos. At Constitution and Salton? There is a bar playing mostly Dominican music. Most of the girls here are Dominican (ages about 24-30, looks department 5-7s). Then there are two bars down the block from this bar. One has a pool table food and girls hanging out and the other has the same thing mostly Dominican girls. The pickings are slim but there are gems to be found. The area is full of streetwalkers. I break them down into three types-girls so ugly and old like a bad traffic accident, normal looking girls, and the “GIRLS” that give whole new meeting to night out with the boys. I felt safe walking around the area in the early morning. I get the impression it is a working class area so people are out in the neighborhood at all hours. I paid 50(I think about 40 would be about right) pesos for one hour without negotiating hard. There are cheap hotels in the area about 10ps for an hour. One is across the street from the bars above. I love Dominican women so this is a great place for me. They begin to show up at about 1130pm-1200am. As café Orleans the ugly and older women show up earlier.
Recommendation: Unless you are the adventurous type stay away from this area. That whole area is full of girls. You may have to put your hand down their pants to make sure you know what you are buying. If you like Dominicans, you should make this one stop. Bring with you condoms, lubricant, and a pocket flashlight. Bring a bottle of Brugal They don’t get good Dominican Rum in the area.
Issue: Apartment girls
Discussion: This guy from Iraq took me to a decent place. The girls looked great but I was too tired to take anyone. I believe the asking price was 110 ps for an hour in house. Address is 943 Esmeralda bell “C1” right around the corner from the hotel Buenos Aries (My hotel). The house I went to was at the same building bell “9E”. There were three girls Graciela, Sabrina, Antonella, I had all three and was not disappointed. I paid 125 ps for an hour at my hotel around the corner. I gave the girls extra 50 ps to videotape us fucking. The memories will last a lifetime. My impression is the girls in BA have few objections to being videotaped. I offered an extra 50 ps and every girl said, “sure” happily. I love the video better than the still pictures and plan to do more next time.
Recommendation: I will end breaking the three-time rule but who cares. I like these girls very much. So be nice and give them a good hard fuck for me. Enjoy.
Issue: Café Orleans
Discussion: This place had the same faces each day more or less. The weekends (Saturday, Sunday) tend to be the light days. My impression the old/not so pretty ones work weekends. Prime time tends to run from 200pm-700pm Monday to Friday after that it is very slim pickings. At about 1000pm-100am some of the same cafe girls are on the street and can be had for less. I had four girls from this place. One was fantastic, one was a lousy fuck, and the other two were great. My personnel opinion is some of these girls are over priced. Most of the women are about 25-30yrs and want 100-200 ps (per hour). Someone has to tell some of them their ship has passed. I may have over paid but I least got fucked well. I will mention one girl, Carolina. She fucked the shit out of me. She is Brazilian and sits to the right as you come in. Just ask the waiter they know all the girls.
Recommendation: My next trip, hang out at other cafes. I will pick up some of the girls in the café. I paid less for the apartment girls and they were younger and prettier in some cases.
Issue: Safety
Discussion: Saw a mugging right on Florida street. An older couple was knocked down by two young guys who grabbed the ladies purse. One of the taxi drivers tried to chase the thugs but these guys were really fast. I will remind you to be careful of pickpockets also. For the most part I felt safe even late at night and I have been in the seedy parts of town.
Recommendation: I keep saying this to guy but few listen. Leave the jewelry and expensive watches in the USA. Leave the big wad of cash in the deposit safe in your hotel, you will live longer. Cab fare is too cheap to not just return to your hotel. Carry a pocket flashlight (Maglight). This site is good for personnel security issues and contains unclassified information on how to protect yourself. Go to http://www.dss.mil and search f or employer’s guide to security responsibilities. You can also search for security threats around the world. http://www.spawar.navy.mil/sandiego/security/FP-AT/
If you are in the military (Contractor etc.) or have an army.mil account go here http://at-awareness.org/
Issue: Saturday/Sunday (Weekend)
Discussion: The better change places are closed during the weekend. Some of the better looking girls tend not to show up at work i.e. Café Orleans. They also do not answer their cell phones. The stores on/near Florida Street may not open or if they do it is at reduces ours. That whole area is like Wall Street on a weekend.
Recommendations: Cash enough travelers check on Friday to cover the weekend. Make appointments on Friday afternoon for the weekend. Shop during the week and avoid the weekend.
Overall Impression: This second trip was better than the first. The food is fabulous and cheap. I have to watch my diet when I come here next time. Recommend you avoid the fast food places they put too much salt in the food. Café Orleans does it too. I have high blood pressure.
Goals for next trip:
Bring some good Dominican rum
Find some more apartments girls in the San Martin Plaza area
Try the Clarin girls I saw on the newspaper’s web site
Bring a book to read while hanging out at the cafes
Write down the address of the places I visited.
Workout in a gym
Information Requirements:
Decent gym or a hotel with a gym that is less than 120ps double occupancy- I found a gym but they want six dollars a day and don’t offer weekly rates.(My next trip is 11 days)
Where do Brazilian girls hang out in BA?
Pleas don’t hesitate to post advice to make my trips better .
Guillermo, another great twist to my idea would be to quietly enlist Roxana's service's to be a jewely district guide for a ladies only tour of the Libertad jewelry district. You could simply tell your wife that you asked at the front desk for a guide who knows the jewelry district and you were given Roxana's name and number. Then maybe Roxana could arrange to draw out your wife's tour and show her other places than just the jewelry district, say the leather goods places she knows, etc., leaving you some nice time to play? I'm sure Roxana would go along, you heard her tell us all how much she likes making people happy! I'll bet Roxana would do almost anything in the line of duty for the monger association members! Diamonds ARE a girl's best friend! DownBA
DownBA, good idea. I had completely forgotten about the BA "diamond district". Now that Roxana is involved, the possibilities for diversion are multiplying.
MGB, I'm not familiar with "Golden" (sounds like for good reason). Is it strictly a nightclub?
You're right, Patio Bullrich, can be very pricey, even for BA. Someplace like Gallerias Pacifico might be better. It also has the advantage of being just a few steps from the corner of Florida and Paraguay, where Maria hangs out. "Mariaaa... I've just met a girl named Mariaaaa", oops, sorry.
Of course, after all of this shopping, you can pretty much forget about the idea of going to BA for cheap sex.
Guillermo
MeGustaBoliches
10-25-03, 18:35
Guillermo,
As far as I know Golden is just a nightclub...with male strippers who put on quite a show! I feel certain Roxana knows all the details...
the diamond district is indeed a good option....or if on a Saturday the feria in Recoleta
Hey, Guys:
I've been thinking about your B&Cs, and I suggest the following:
I will give the Ladies a city and shopping-tour. We could tell them it's designed only for women. I will bring them to the malls; not to the Black's of Malls, I will bring them to Libertad street, that I know like the palm of my hand, I will bring them to the leather store I work with, I can add half a day in a spa, a hairdresser, a nail sculpturer, etc, etc, etc.
So I will assure you that I will be with them for four hours at least!!!! :D
It means that you will be able to meet some chicas, while we are in our c-t. >:)
NOW, my advice :
Take your session in the begining of the c-t.
Go to a private apartment or rent a room in a hotel for two hours; we have the ones specially to have sex, we call them "albergues transitorios", DON'T BRING THE GIRL TO THE HOTEL.
After your session, go back to the hotel and take a nap or watch TV as the most boring and average husband in the whole world!!!
Don't try to compensate your B&C with a gift or a flower, she will suspect that something went wrong while she was in the c-t.
The Chippendale's is at night, so I will tell the Ladies that we'll go for a women's dinner and show; so you will have another three hours of freedom again!!! :)
Of course we'll improve the plan alltogether, new ideas are welcome!!!
I will work and I will earn my money; I wish I won't have future claims after helping you in these critical circumstances and after showing you my devotion for the AMA and its highest principles!!!
I'm thinking also , that after some time, I will delete this post to avoid leaving future clues of our secret mission possible!!!
After my beautiful First Year working for you, this will be my gift for my beautiful and perverted mongers!!!!
Roxana.
Knuckhead,
Best thing to do with a long post is write it in Notepad or Word, so you can save it on disk, then cut and paste onto the board. That way, you can always recover it if you need to.
I would save it to a floppy, so you can take it with you when you leave the locoturio.
Guillermo
DownBA
Carolina was still there last time I looked - about 2 or 3 weeks ago. She was friendly, and although she has a few battle scars that aren't visible in that photo, I think you would enjoy her company. I won't post pics of any ladies I didn't have fun with, unless they are just too pretty to ignore, and even then I'll include a disclaimer!
Carolina's birthday was the same as mine (Sept. 2) so we became "special friends" right off, for whatever that's worth. She thought I was from Brasil so she quoted me $100 AR. Later, upon discovering the error of her assumption, she attempted to rectify the rate, but to no avail I'm afraid. She took it in good spirits though, and earned herself a tip by doing so!
Pharmacy at Paraguay and Florida will be closing at the end of this week. I was talking with Ivan, the owner, this morning and he brought up that after this week they are going to remodel and become a leather shop. The profit margin in leather is better and the influx of tourists has influenced his decision. Alas, our favorite cialis and viagra source will be gone.
Thomaso276
10-27-03, 21:01
I have been using that pharmacy for some time now. What other options (store locations) are there for Viagra without a script?
Thanks
Knuckhead in Paradise
Day 1: Touchdown!
Well fellow mongers, I learned my lesson. I made this very lengthy post from a locutteria while in the "promised land" and as the events were unfolding, but lost it as I was "timed out". Since my time in BA was very limited and my free mongering time was even more so, I made an executive decision to put off posting until I got back to the Northern Hemisphere. My apologies!
You may recall I had promised to present my hobying experience from a "chained up" perspective, and to comment on how to be able to sample the BA experience with "luggage in tow". Some of you were kind enough to express interest in this point of view and I received words of encouragement and caution from a number of you via e-mail. In this post I will try to summarize the events of my first day down there. Again, all $ prices are in Pesos unless otherwise noted.
1) Arrival: After a 3 hour delay at my mid-Atlantic gateway, we finally boarded the 767 bound for BA, and arrived about 3 hours later than scheduled. The "ball and chain" had the upper hand on me at this point, having been able to sleep better thanks to a much more desirable seat. Not good, but never underestimate the power of a horny monger whose appetite has been tantalized by months of reading this board! As the plane glided over the approach path, I couldn't help but notice the resemblance to areas in central Florida. The driver arranged by Mayra was waiting, and took us to LoiSuites uneventfully. I will try to post something about this hotel in the appropriate section, BTW. After an obligatory day of being dragged along for shopping, it was time for dinner and the "Ball and Chain" was beginning to tire out. Earlier in the day, we had actually passed by 1707 Santa Fe and I did take a glance at this very non-descript apartment building, but no "s"exploration was possible at that point. During the dinner I tried to set the stage so that my eventual split would look as natural as possible, meeting every expression of fatigue with a surprised statement at how refreshed I was and how much I looked forward to seeing the city live with action at the wee hours of the day. A bottle of very sweet white wine was ordered, and encouragements to consume liberally were made. It did the magic! About an hour later she had crashed and I was officially out the door "not being able to fall asleep" to see the "sights".
2) 11:45 pm: Finally free, and an appetizer was needed, fast! Without any telephone call first, I hopped a cab to 1707 Santa Fe and rang the #3 buzzer. Note that it is completely unmarked and you would never know what is inside had you not otherwise known about the place. Something was said over the intercom, which of course I did not understand! I simply said "quiero visitar" and was buzzed into the lobby. Took the elevator to the 3rd floor, and rang the only bell there. Madame was a late 20's blonde girl (pretty proportionate by US standards and a little heavy by BA standards). She gave me a light kiss on the cheek. I asked how many girls were working and she said six, and that the prices were $60 for 30 minutes, $80 for 45 minutes and $100 for 1 hour. Then she asked me to sit at a comfortable room and a few minutes later the parade started. Girls ranged from 5 to 7 in looks. All would give you a peck on the cheek and introduce themselves. I love this setup, BTW. Ended up with "Moni", a 24 year-old petite fake blonde with green contacts and be and 1/4 cups. My personal preference is be and 3/4 cups, but what the heck! I suppose the norm in the apartments is to pay first, which I did. Please comment if this is NOT the case, as it very much appeared to be to me. She was very cordial and asked me to take a shower. Note that most these places have showers but the towels are tiny. She came back and had a very non-rush session during which she tried to make conversation despite my very limited Spanish. Lots of touching, fondling, caressing, and some light kissing (no DFK's) were done for about 25 minutes. By then she seemed to be in the mood and soon was speaking translated French to the junior. While I do not refuse a BBBJ, I cannot care less if it is a CBJ, so I did not take off any points here. She then hopped on top for a cowgirl ride and after about 10 minutes of alternating between slow and fast movements she "simulated" an orgasm at the moment of my climax. I took another shower and came back to Moni, still waiting for me in the bed. It was made clear that second cups were available, but unfortunately Knuckhead Junior was not! Towards the end of our time I kissed her goodbye and was led out of the apartment by the Madame. I confirmed that this apartment is NOT open on Sundays.
3) 1:05 am: Back out on Ave. Santa Fe, I decided to check out the Café's. I hopped onto a cab and asked him to take me to the intersection of Cordoba and 9 de Julio. I was dropped off there and immediately recognized Exedra. I glanced in through the large windows and counted 12 ladies sitting at the tables. They ranged in age from late twenties to early forties, and in looks from 4 to 6. Never mind my earlier question about how to tell the pros; I had absolutely no problem telling which ones were working (about all except for 2). Once they sensed my interest they all made eye contact, and I mean eye contact like the laser beams Dart Vader would cast on Luke Skywalker, not subtle glances. I walked down along 9 de Julio (actually the service road alongside it called Carlos Pellegrinin) and was hustled to go inside this club called, I think, "Imagine". I convinced the guy to let me look inside for free, and I saw about 14 girls and about the same number of guys. I passed, and headed back up towards Cordoba, turning onto it to visit Café Orleans. Again, through the windows I counted about 15 girls, actually, fully grown-LOL- women giving me the Dart Vader type laser look. I kept on walking and soon found a cute brunette walking alongside of me making small talk. I don't suppose she was REALLY interested in what my name was and where I was coming from, and I don't suppose that it was simply my "Mo Jo" that attracted this young lady. It was funny, but all of the sudden the thought of Dickhead's "Maria" and the copious discussions about her on this board came to mind and I started laughing (No offense Dickhead, I totally understand you. If you find a gem why not stick with her? ). She was a persistent little thing, and would not let go! She was not bad at all, but I have not done any SW in the past ten years and just do not find the experience sexy. Finally after chasing me for several blocks I had to use what I call the Atomic Bomb to get rid of her; I told her "Mira: No me gusta mujeres! ". Well, that was enough to discourage this cute little thing, but as it turns out the higher being looking over the SW's must have listened to her broken little heart. As you will read shortly, such a pathetic irony would unfold in just a few minutes from that point. She turned back and to my amazement went directly over to a table she was sitting at Café Orleans (it had her stuff on it). The point to observe is that some of the Café Orleans girls double as SW's and Vice versa, and I am sure the pricing structure for the same girl would be different depending on where you picked her up. The other point I noticed is that if you like someone from the cafés you really do not even have to go in; I have a feeling that most will come out to you if you wave to them.
4) On my way to Orleans I passed "Snob", and since at least the initial reviews about the place were glowing, I intended to have a beer there. I was aware of the subsequent decline of it, but as far as I knew from reading the board it was still open, so having gotten rid of the above SW I headed there. Well, well, well my fellow mongers. I thought you would have warned this unsuspecting AMA monger wannabe of THIS! That wasn't very nice! I asked the guys at the door if this is snob, and they said yes. I looked at the sign, and it said snob. I went down, and immediately felt strange. There were no girls! Well, maybe the chica's are not here yet, so let me hang around a little bit. Strange. , what are those two guys doing to each other? French kissing? Well, I guess this maybe a very "risqué" type place, so I'm just going to ignore that. Wait a minute, . Whose hand is it on my shoulder, and why is this guy so friendly to me? Oh NO. No, No, No. I need to exit this place pronto! A little warning would have been appreciated, guys! Well, maybe it was my turn to take one for the team. Hmmm. Actually I didn't like the way this sounded. Let me make this painfully clear: Knuckhead DID NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES "TAKE" ANYTHING!
5) 2:15am, and my "Mo Jo" severely battered by the above experience I needed to put this bitter memory once and for all behind me, and to prove to myself without a shadow of a doubt that I am still emotionally intact I now wanted a threesome! So off I hopped a cab to Recoleta and was dropped off at the edge of the cemetery in front of Madahos. I made a quick walk past Madahos, Solid Gold, and Playwoman, being hustled to come in by all of them. I started to take a free look at Playwoman: About 20 girls and the same number of guys hanging around. Passed. Then a free look at Solid Gold: 15 very young chica's in a smoke filled room and somehow it did not strike my fancy. Madahos, on the other hand, was a different story. The club immediately looked much more classy, and I chose to stay. I paid $25 which included one domestic beer. The doorman introduced me to a very professional waiter who spoke perfect English. I liked this guy. He was very frank and told me to relax, and that he will "coach" me if there are any questions. Chica drinks, he explained, are between $25 and $50 and one drink gets the chica out for an hour, whereas two drinks gets her out for TLN (Guys, comment please if this is not right). I sat at the center of the "L" shaped room by the dance floor, eyeing the whole room. There were about 25-30 chica's, mostly under 25 and from 6 to 9 range in terms of looks. Most were about 7. 5 (Sorry guys for the exact numbering system. I guess that was "regression to the mean-LOL"). Two cuties were dancing behind me and very eager to join in, but I took my time and enjoyed the strip show and the Tango dance. I thought the two Tango dancers were especially good, and not inferior to those you would see at one of the Tango shows. At any rate, I started a conversation with the two chica's dancing behind me (Sorry guys, forgot their name). One was twenty and the other twenty-four. Interestingly the younger one was more aggressive. They were about 7 and 8 respectively. Before they sat down for a drink I made sure no BS was involved. I asked if they "like" each other. The answer was an enthusiastic embrace and a light kiss between the two. Well, that settled my question. You can sit down. Before ordering though, I asked for a rate. I was quoted the standard $100 (USA Dollars, that is) price. Little did these chicas know that the whole armamentarium of this entire board was behind me, and they were not talking to just any newbie, but a monger applying for membership to the AMA. Of course, as any monger worthy of even consideration for AMA membership would do I told them to shove off. Actually I just laughed at them and very sweetly asked "That was funny, now tell me how much you really want, and I mean in pesos and for the two of you together! " This immediately dropped the quoted price to $400 (pesos, that is) for both of them. I said, well that is better but I want to pay $300 for both of you, and I am a very nice guy. They hesitated, and I said: O. K. Then, maybe we'll catch up after I see more of the show. They immediately turned around and accepted my offer of $300 for both of them together, short time. They had their obligatory $50 drink each and the waiter looked like he was expecting a tip, so I tipped him $10 and he was all smiles. I asked him to repeat the offer to the girls so there would be no question about it later. I liked this guy's demeanor! In a no be. S. Way he made sure everybody was on the same page. Time permitting I will post a short comment on negotiations in the general section later. The girls changed (I do not like this: Part of paying this much is to get a well dressed girl, so why ruin the illusion? ), and we got into a cab heading for the Albergo Transitario. Sounded like the girls (as well as those from the next night) did not like the one immediately next door, so we went to "Tanjer" or something like that. There, a "hand" mysteriously appeared from under the tinted window, like a hand of a magician through his hat, asking for $77. Now, the price of the room was $35, but he said two girls need two rooms, and I was not going to make a scene here. Please comment if I was ripped off. In the room, the girls undressed, and used the bidet (Why don't we have this handy little fixture here in the you. S? ). They were exquisitely clean, and the fun started on the bed. While #1 started kissing me and then giving me a CBJ, I availed myself of the sucking opportunities on the breasts of #2. This seemed to get their motor going and they spontaneously started to deep throat each other. WOW! What a sight. I then put #1 on her back and put my hand under her tight little butt, and went at it missionary style, alternating between kissing her and #2, and then on to "group hug" reminiscent of those extended family therapy sessions! Then #1 got on top of me cowgirl style, while kissing #2 as I was stimulating her manually. WOW! #1 had (or faked) an orgasm, and it was now time for #2, the 24-year old who was much sweeter and less aggressive. These girls definetly learned to share while they were in kindergarten. After the change of guards #2 hopped on top and continued cowgirl, while #1 tended to my two soldiers. I then turned her around Missionary style, both of us staring at each other's eyes deeply and intensely. The whole thing went on for about 30 minutes and finally we were able to cooperatively accomplish the task. They then asked for a drink ($15 for some cheap sparkling wine whose name should not even be mentioned in the same sentence alongside of Champagne). We got back into a cab and I dropped them off at Madahos, and they did not ask for any taxi money.
6) 3:45am: I then limped back to Loisuites where I simply collapsed! What a day! Two hemispheres, an 11 hour plane ride, 3 women, and a threesome. Like I said, Knuckhead in Paradise!
Knuckhead:
Glad that you are enjoying your trip.
Respect to the Santa Fe 1707 "pay first" issue and the albergue transitorio pricing schedule for bringing 2 girls, the rules are the same as for locals.
Hope this helps,
Andres
Jaimito Cartero
10-29-03, 04:45
Sexplo - Well, you did tell the chica you didn't like women. Maybe she called ahead to Snob and had the bar reversed to Gay Snob.
Knuckhead,
Bravissimo!
I'd be curious to know what the little woman said when she woke up in the morning to the smell of cheap perfume, which, I assume, you must have been drenched in after all those escapades.
Guillermo
Guillermo:
Actually, the perfume and smoke are easily cleared by a shower, but unfortunately bite marks are not. Read my 2nd night report, to be posted shortly. Thanks for keeping me straight. I've been back since yesterday morning, but am still ruminating over the momeories of this long weekend.
Jaimito Cartero
10-29-03, 22:36
Top 10 excuses for bite marks:
10. Wild dogs in downtown BA.
9. Vampire bat, I think.
8. *Really* big mosquitos down here.
7. A homeless person asked for a handout, and then attacked me when I wouldn't cough up.
6. That's not a bite mark, I cut myself shaving.
5. I tripped on the sidewalk and fell down and nicked myself.
4. I got really hungry, and wanted to see how human flesh tasted.
3. Feral cats in downtown BA.
2. A wild taxi driver picked me up, and then took off as I was just exiting, that bite looking mark is actually part of the door frame of a 89 Fiat.
1. Hey, honey, I hear they have a beautiful diamond shop around the corner.
Note that if the bite marks are on your Johnson, 10 - 2 are out, although #1 is still a slight possibility. Well, #4 might work if you are double jointed but in that case you'd never leave home in the first place.
Knuckhead in Paradise
Day 2: Cut the chain, I want more!
...And that, my friends, proved much more difficult today than it was the day before. During the day, waters were tested for different exit strategies to no avail. The day was spent basically being dragged along from Galeria Pacifica to the other similar western style shopping mall. I wondered why I should get into a plane and fly 11 hour to come here, only to be greeted by the identical "torture" routine all too familiar to us suburban husbands dragged to the malls here in the states. The one good thing about this routine, however, was to "warm up" for the night's action by patiently watching all these delicious cuties pass me by in the malls.
12:45am, and the B&C finally cut me loose "to get some air". I walked over to the other concentration of the Recoleta clubs in Guido, passing by the restaurant row and Newport. I peeked into Newport and did not make much of it. The hustlers for Affaire/Cicerone pestered me for a few minutes, but wouldn't let me take a free look. The hustler for Closer said it would be O.K. to look for free. I climbed the stairs and was greeted by an English-speaking woman. It is basically a long room with a bar and seating areas. There were less than 10 Chica's there, and the atmosphere did not seem conducive to chica hopping, so I passed.
1:30am: I went back to Newport and again, didn't think there was any action going on, but stopped for a beer anyway. Earlier posts had indicated that this is a regular bar, at which pros hang out from time to time. Unfortunately the most informative post about Newport, IMHO, which was also edited by Jackson, had somehow escaped my attention. I will provide the link to this post below. To re-cap: Newport IS a regular bar with a live band, becoming most crowded between 12:30am and 1:00am. Beers are $5 (both for you and the girls, there is no difference) and other drinks are slightly more. In a way, one can say the relationship between the bar and the girls is similar to Café Orleans, in that the girls are not affiliated with the bar and do not make money for the bar by ordering exorbitant "chica drinks" purchased by the mongers. Some of the girls there are pros, and a few more are semi-pros. I saw no non-pros there, but I was there at the end of the month and maybe the regulars just do not come there due to higher percentage of pros being present at such times. Since I was confused about this I simply ordered a beer and leaned against the bar looking at the action. I saw approximately 20 ladies and the same number of guys. Nobody approached me for a very long time, which gave me the opportunity to observe. The environment was decidedly much more low key than the clubs. I was beginning to think that there is no action to be found here, when one girl who could not pass for a non-pro (even if she tried really hard!) approached me and started making small talk. I figured I would pump her for information. She said that ALL the girls tonight are working, and I could approach anybody I wanted. I thanked her and politely sent her on her way (The next day at noon I saw her holding hands and walking with one of mongers in front of Etoile, so I guess she did O.K. eventually).
There was an extremely cute Brazilian girl standing right in front of me, and all the while she wouldn't even make eye contact (Which, BTW, was the way most girls there operated). She was the type with blond hair but darker skin and eyes, and ever so slightly larger than most locals, which in my taste is just the right amount of curves and simply delicious. As soon as I tapped her on the back and smiled at her she opened up and became friendly. She and her "cousin-LOL" were in the club together. In the mood for another threesome, I asked if she and her cousin "liked" each other, and they both said that they are very "bad". I then started negotiating with them, with the frame of reference being my previous night's encounter: $300 for both girls together short time. At first, they quoted me the Gringo price of $100 (U.S. Dollars, that is) per girl. Again, as a potential candidate for AMA membership (and that is NOT American Medical Association, BTW), I could not let this go unanswered. I laughed again, and said let's try this again. Identical to last night, they dropped the price to $400 for both of them together. I then made my offer of $300. They would not do it, and we eventually split. I do not want to take this $150 price point very seriously, as the marginal cost for raising it to $200 is negligible, but I hate to establish myself as a pushover from the start. Every single time a girl has sensed this in my mongering experiences, the service has been poor. For sure, I shall be pondering the thought of what would have happened if I took this girl for a long time to come.
I made my way back to the bar, ordered another drink, and overheard a conversation in German between two Swiss guys. These guys were way off base! They later told me that they have been coming here a lot, and that most girls here can be had only for the price of their drink and taxi fare. They explained that only if they do not like you do you have to pay. Well, either they were hopelessly wrong or I was very unlikable! Still, mongers with a lot of Newport experience please help clarify this situation.
2:30 am: it was getting late, and I was thinking of how to explain the length of my absence to the B&C. As I was standing at the bar I noticed the only girl that I had any doubt about her being on the program. She was just sitting there, looking like she did not belong there. She was in her early thirties, and had a very sweet and shy face. All of the sudden her "cousin" appeared, a flamboyant dark blonde with very good body and an excellent rack. The cousin's name was Lili, and I think the shy girl's name was Rosa. To make a long story short, we went through the same negotiations with identical price break points, basically with Lili being the spokeswoman. Eventually, these girls settled for $360 for both of them short time. And we went to the same Albergo Transitorio that I went to the night before. The magic hand appeared again from behind the tinted window, demanding and receiving the price for two rooms. "The hand" even recognized me from last night and waved at me! Strange!
Clearly, Jackson's point about the lack of oversight in Newport is correct. Lili was a pro all the way, and Rosa was either a very early beginner or a semi-pro. Even before we left Lili asked for $10 for her bar tab, then $10 to tip the guy that held the Taxi door for us. As soon as we undressed she asked for the money upfront. I got a big kick out of it when she said: "In Argentina it is customary to pay first", to which I replied that I always pay later, and will not do anything differently now. I showed her the money and then put it back in my pocket. She kept insisting (the shy one was sweetly silent, BTW); eventually I said that if I pay upfront I know that the sex will not be good, and I'd rather return to Newport if that were really what you want. This seemed to work like a charm, and all B.S. melted away at this point.
And they delivered! All the unpleasant money discussions out of the way, the girls undressed and used the bidet. While Rosa was cleaning up, Lili started with some DFK and then CBJ. She had excellent technique. She then hopped on top for a little cowgirl, and then switched positions for missionary. She appeared to get very excited with deep undulations of her body and lots of grinding against me. By this time Rosa was also beside us, participating in the activities. I then switched girls and raincoats, and did pretty much the same with Rosa, but somehow it was much more enjoyable and sincere and natural with her. Lili was playing with the two soldiers and at this point it become very strange. This Amazon was actually biting me without any regard for the consequences!! It was first lightly around the two soldiers, and then badly on my back. It took a loud protest on my part for her to realize that I really did not want that, and I am not shouting just because of climax, which by the way, happened around the same time. We took showers and left for Newport.
On the taxi ride back to Newport Rosa snuggled up to me and was opening up, while Lili continued her flamboyant self-promoting monologue. True to form, she asked for another $10 for her taxi ride home. At this point I was really enjoying my time with Rosa and wanted Lili to shut up, so I gave her $10 making it painfully clear this is the last cent she is getting out of me. Rosa explained that she is a radiology technician and has a kid, but the salaries are not sufficient for her to make ends meet, so that is why she does this from time to time. She said she enjoyed her time with me and that she is sorry we cannot spend the night together. At Newport she gave me a very long hug said goodbye.
In conclusion, Newport has many pitfalls as explained by Jackson previously, but also affords opportunities to befriend semi-pros. I feel that ironically, I experienced both at the same time. If you are considering mongering at this place be sure to review the post below "By Email" and edited by Jackson:
http://www.wsgforum.com/vforum/showthread.php?postid=102422&highlight=newport - post102422
3:50am: Back at the hotel, and a quick check in the mirror shows that there are marks on my back. I put a T-short on and crashed! Tomorrow I will think about an excuse!
One Tree Hill
10-30-03, 03:41
Knuckhead,
Great post! I will be arriving in BA on Nov 7th and bringing a buddy who is currently separated from his 15 year long "ball and chain" I have turned him on to reading this board and of course relating my own experience from last April (not to mention some very interesting home video). He is going nuts to get there. It all sounds so good to him that he can hardly believe it.
I must say, last April I went to Newports and talked to several PROS all of which would not come off $100 US for short time. It was fun looking and having cheap beers, but I did not get the vibe from the chicas. The band was good though!
Good luck with your continued deception!
Knuckhead,
Nice report. You mentioned:
I made my way back to the bar, ordered another drink, and overheard a conversation in German between two Swiss guys. These guys were way off base! They later told me that they have been coming here a lot, and that most girls here can be had only for the price of their drink and taxi fare. They explained that only if they do not like you do you have to pay. Well, either they were hopelessly wrong or I was very unlikable! Still, mongers with a lot of Newport experience please help clarify this situation.
If these guys looked like Brad Pitt or Arnold, then maybe yes it might just be the price of a drink. Or maybe the girls would pay them. :)
Actually, it sounds like wishful thinking on their part.
Enjoy the life, without the B&C. :)
Moondog
Jaimito Cartero
10-30-03, 17:19
For all those involved in the B&C discussion.
Have you ever considered that your wife KNOWS what you're doing, and just wants to make your life as difficult as possible?
You'd be suprised what most women actually know. While they may say, "Oh I'd leave you if you were screwing around", most are a little more in touch with reality.
Oh, I don't know anything about explaining bites. Now hickeys are another topic.
Carlos Primeros
10-30-03, 18:35
Hi Sexplo,
I happened to be also at NewPort yesterday evening. Got also the same 300 Peso price but settled then with the little blond in white trousers with the gorgeous little ass.
The world is samll - isn´t it??
Keep on mongering! The girls need people like you! Nice report!
Carlos Primeros
Knuckhead must have just gotten lucky with his adventure at Snob. The last gasp of a dying club.
However, all is not lost. The location (Cordoba 937) reopened Monday as Cristobal Colon Pub. I stopped by last night (Wed) to look:
Cristobal Colon Pub: Cordaba 937 (formerly Snob). About 5 doors down from Cafe Excedra. They say it opens at 6:00 PM.
The place reopened supposedly as a regular club with working women. I stopped in about 1:00AM. The prices are $10 entrada/min w/drink, $20 copa. The drinks are small, which annoys me. They did not give me the bottle for my Agua con Gas con Limon, and the glass is about 9-10 ounces. The copa also appears small, probably 6 ounces. The doorman tells me one drink to exit.
I found about 12 chicas. Wonder of wonders, there were a couple in my size range, the best of which was with another man, much bigger than I am (the bastard). I plan to stop back again to investigate further and hope for better luck.
There is a singer and a dance/show. The music was way too loud at first, and I was making faces in pain and trying to avoid it, but they turned it down a little after a while. The chicas were decent and may improve with a little more time. I hope so, because it still is the nicest interior here in BA.
I have also stopped back in Croupier (Carlos Pelegrini near Corrientes) and Imagine (Carlos Pelegrini near Excedra). The chicas have improved in both places since I was last there IMHO, but alas, too big for me. They might be worth a look. Both places also open early, at 6:00 and 3:00, I think.
As with most places in El Centro, some spanish is almost necessary.
Knuckhead in Paradise
But sadly, his last day!
I always thought the last day of any vacation in south America is a bit unusual, as you end up checking out of your hotel by noon and the flights are not until very late in the evening. This sort of worked in my favor today, and I was on my own early in the afternoon while the be&see tended to some shopping on her own. Now that's a novel idea!
12:25pm: I hopped a cab to 2254 French street based on the very good recommendations this place had received. There was nobody answering the door. You may recall I had mentioned earlier that I do not like to call first and would prefer to just show up. This is exactly what I did, so maybe the place was open and they just didn't let me in (? ).
12:45 pm: Disappointed, I walked 6-7 blocks to Cielo Private on Larrea 1072, again, unannounced. I rang the doorbell and was let in. The street entrance is just a door that opens in front of a set of stairs going straight up. After ascending the stairs I entered a roomy apartment where a mamasan with a bad knee, limping along with a cane, asked me to have a seat on a couch. She explained that the price, including the use of Jacuzzi and drinks for an hour is $120, except for one of the girls who was $150. I soon forgot which one the $150 was before the start of the parade. The 5 girls came along and introduced themselves with a peck on my cheek. I thought all of them were rather average and I could not tell why one of them would be $30 more. I suppose a certain part of her anatomy must have been lined up with gold.LOL. The mamasan returned to ask for my choice. At this point I had a revelation, as if a voice in my head was telling me: "You know, Knuckhead, you can actually do better and you don't really HAVE to do any of them if none of them strikes your fancy". Excellent idea! Here I was, only on my 3rd day in BA and I was already spoiled! So, I told the mamasan that I really liked blondes and the girls were all brunettes. She said that her blonde was "sick" today. I thanked her and left. After leaving, I actually felt bad for about 30 seconds for having made her walk around so much on the bad knee, but what the heck!
1:10 pm: I walked back to Ave. Santa Fe, and wanted to get on the subway just to see it. I traveled about 2 stops on the green line to Bulnes, and got off. I killed some time looking for a locutteria in a nice shopping arcade to see if Jackson was able to revive my first post (ended up re-typing the whole thing after getting back, BTW). Again, as much as I hate shopping arcades, the cuties in it had the unintended effect of waking up the little Knuckhead. I pulled out my map and realized that I was close to the apartment at Güemes 3221 2º "A". With the little Knuckhead on the helm, I headed that way unannounced.
2:35pm: This is s multi-unit residential apartment in a residential neighborhood. I rang the unmarked doorbell and again had no idea what I was told over the intercom. I just repeated: "quiero visitar", and the lady got off the intercom. After a long wait, a native Indian looking girl came to the door and unlocked it, letting me into the lobby. At first I thought maybe this is one of the neighbors and not from the apartment, but she seemed to be leading the way. She asked how I knew about the place and I said I saw it in Clarin. We reached the apartment, which was much smaller than Santa Fe 1707 and Cielo Private. In the living room there was some porno tape playing on the VCR and the lady said there are two girls working. She showed me an album with their pictures. One of them was "Salome", and I remember having read about her, so I chose her. The price was $120 for an hour (Gringo pricing? ). Salome was a 24 year-old brunette with long black hair, light eyes, and B1/4 rack. I would give her a 7. 5 for looks. She started to chat in a friendly manner, and I said my friend had seen her and made up a name. Of course she said: "oh yes, I remember so and so". Yeah, right! Since she was fresh out of the shower I thought the nice thing to do was for me to take one too, before joining her on the bed. She started with light kissing and some caressing, which were reciprocated by some fondling on my part. A BBBJ was provided without asking, and her technique was good. Then the raincoat went on and we did some missionary, followed by some cowgirl, and finally the SOG was accomplished by a combination of BBBJ and HJ. She was a pro, but as the session progressed the LFK's turned into DFK's and she became excited. Overall I will give the experience a 7. I tipped her $20, and left (escorted by the first lady who let me in).
3:55pm: Made my way to Porto Madera and had a nice meal for an excellent price. As the batteries were recharged I thought about visiting that famous frequently reviewed Argentine spa that for the purposes of plausible deniability shall remain nameless in this post.
5:30pm: Entered the spa, and the receptionist guy speaks excellent English. He explained the pricing, which was $49 for the regular section and $165 for the VIP section, including 1 hour of massage. I took the VIP section. They give you a ring with a locker key on it, and as you are entering the VIP room you sign up for the time you want to get the massage. I asked for a massage immediately, and was asked to take a shower. They give you white shorts and plenty of towels, so you do not have to bring along anything with you. The shower was fantastic (very high flow rate and warm). In no time my name was called, and up I went to the second floor to meet "Angie", who greeted me by a peck on the cheek. She was simply gorgeous: Petite, innocent looking, nice curves, and very long straight brown hair, wearing their signature white dress, and just exuding sensuality! If it weren't for the slightest hint of cigarette smoke as she first gave me a kiss on the cheek, I would give her a 10, but alas, 9 it was to be! She started a nice oil massage, letting her hair drift upon my body with her every move up and down my sore legs. Her dress covered just the right amount of her precious body and leaving just the right amount to imagination. I do not know what the norm there is, but soon I found my hands roaming up her dress and gently caressing her ass without meeting any resistance whatsoever. Man is a strange creature. Sometimes knowing that you cannot have something makes it so much more desirable, and that was exactly what was happening to me. The massage was more sensual than erotic, and eventually the moment of truth came: $100 for "completo". My dear members of the AMA, please forgive me and please do not reject my membership application on the basis of this single lapse in maintaining the strictest codes of mongerhood. I failed utterly and miserably in my feeble attempt to negotiate with this heavenly goddess. There was absolutely no question whatsoever that she had the upper hand, and she would not budge. No, I wasn't just sexually excited; there was something so sensual about this 21-year-old angle that made any discussion of money just seem so inappropriate. So I gave in. On the other hand (pun intended) little did this fine angel know of junior's earlier encounter with Salome, and little did she know that my reaction to her was not one of immediate wood, but rather admiration and awe for the specimen of beauty that she was. At any rate, I usually do not last but a minute with HJ's, but this one went on for at least 15 minutes, with this gorgeous creature's soft, long hair being draped across my chest and my hand roaming behind her dress and her hand slowly working my junior. I finally relieved myself of the load, and Angie wiped me clean, hugged me and disappeared, presumably to nurse her now sore hand. What a relief! I came down to take another shower, used the insanely hot sauna for a while, and collapsed on one of the beds for about 45 minutes before leaving. What a perfect ending to my trip! I had initially thought why would anyone want to waste a perfectly good load on a hand job, regardless of the price? Boy was I glad I changed my mind.
8:20pm: back to loiSuites to collect the luggage (be&see included, of course) and on to the airport by remis, and arriving at the airport uneventfully.
10: 20pm: As I sank into my seat and the plane took off, I knew that I had left part of my heart in this wonderful city and that I will be back for sure.
My friends: I want to thank all of you. You made my experience so much richer by your contributions to this board. There was absolutely no way I could have had so much fun in such a short period of time, were it not for this board. I hate being only a "taker" from the board, and I know that I contributed little in the way of factual new information. On the other hand, I hope that my narrative format at least provided some entertainment for those of you reading my reports. I will try to post a few more observations and commentary/opinion on the appropriate sections during the next few days.
Knuckhead in Paradise
No more: (, but sure to return soon
Knuckhead,
Wow! That was quick. You must have spent almost as much time travelling as you did in BA. Thanks for the reports. Your ingenuity and determination are inspiring.
Jaimito,
I tend to agree. My better half has a nose that is sensitive to within 1 part per billion. I don't think a quick shower will completely wash away an entire night of chicas and cigarette smoke.
Guillermo
SE, glad you enjoyed Guemes. Salomé is very nice and quite intelligent("Yael" on escorts b aires; she is Lebanese, or partly). She told me she was 27 so amazingly she lied to one or the other of us. And good job walking out of the other place. Always vote with your feet, mongers.
Curious: Why do you prefer to show up vs. call first? The fat madam at Guemes (I think she is Boliviana) told me she liked it better if you called first "to protect people's privacy." I don't give a rat's ass myself but I think she tries to avoid like say me walking out of Salomé's room and then you walking in. We all know it's sloppy seconds but she is trying to maintain an illusion. One monger I know went there and asked her (Salomé, not the madam) how many customers she'd had that day (not a question I personally would ask); she told him he was her sixth (or maybe eighth; I can't remember exactly any more).
80 an hour is what I paid there all three times although I was quoted 120 the first time I called. 10-10 are the hours; closed on Sunday. Sorry if I've posted that info before (but not very).
Dickhead: Regarding Salomé of Güemes 3221:
Yes, I am sorry I forgot to post this. In one of your previous posts you said you were pretty sure that she is Yael. I asked her if she works through the internet, and she voluntered that her internet name in Yael. She was nice, and opened up to me by the end of the session. As Andress pointed out, I probably was paying about 40% more due to Gringo pricing.
Regarding not calling first: Well, remeber that I really can not speak Spanish! I mean, I can say the "Dónde está telefon?" and the like, but for some reason a telephone conversation in a new language without the face to face feedback is intimidating to me. Hopefully by my next trip this will no longer be a problem.
To all other mongers who accompanied me in spirit I say thank you again!
SE: Sorry, forgot about that. Yeah, the telephone is much tougher even as you get more fluent. It's like there is a constant echo and plus you can't read lips. So, I am even more impressed with your work since your Spanish is limited.
Lexton: good work on the new Snot. Nice original research.
Clemson Tigers
10-31-03, 14:07
Where is the love Stoly?
You had nothing better to do today but you couldn't post your input in comparing Argentina with Bangkok for me? I know it may be a tired topic but since you're someone who I've ran into randomly, I guess I value your opinion just a little more then the average poster.
Speaking of your opinion, yes the Puritan-based US did a poor job of alcohol control by raising the age limits and allowing it to become the forbidden fruit. I guess can be said for a lot of things here.
Cheers,
CT
EZE_Amante
10-31-03, 22:35
Regarding Yael/Salome,
Somebody, I think it was Saint, posted about a hotel session with her a long time ago. Said she is a medical student. She is on my list of "have to do one of these days". She can play doctor with me anytime.
EZE :)
Carlos Primeros
11-01-03, 12:39
My first visit to B.A. was super - unfortunately I had to leave yesterday.
I want to thank King JAX for the possibility to meet members of A.M.A - I was courious what people they are: Nice, well-educated, very sociable and outgoing. Andres impressed me very much. King Jax is simply the King. I want to thank you all and if ever one of the members go to B.A. take part in an A.M.A. meeting.
Now my experinces:
Good and bad:
Arrived Sunday - called a girl from Platynum. Was 150 Peso, looks 7, f**k 7. Name was Andrea, was really good.
Monday: At 3 p.m. Queen Roxana gave me a city-tour of 3 hours. Was super-nice. Everybody who comes first time to B.A. should ask her for a City-tour. Roxana is a very very nice Lady - Mongers - treat her well!!!!
Monday I went to Affair: obviously the ugliest Girls had a convention this evening there. So I passed and went to Santa Fe. Was ok. Mama-San introduced 5 girls, I took a sweet Paraguayan, I did not haggle with the price, paid 100 and got everything I wanted.
Tuesday and Wednesday I was travelling on the country-side of Argentina. This land is beautyfull!
Wednesday evening I was back in B.A. and went to NewPort. JAX wrote about the draw-backs of this place but I was lucky and found a sweet little blond with a gorgeous a*s for 200 Peso for 2 hours.
Thursday evening after the A.M.A. meeting at Affair and Mahados I went on to my way to the Hotel. Before we left Affair I casted an eye on a kind of Mulatta there, dark-skinned, approx. 1,68 m in height, approx. 55 kg, shoulder-long hair. Her name was Paula. She wore a blue body-stocking. Se said also that she is from the D.R.
Anyhow - on my way back to the hotel my BEST FRIEND told me that I should not go home alone. Therefore I stopped by and took her with me. She agreed to an all-nighter for 200 Peso
Than disaster started:
We took a shower and then she was demanding the money. She wanted to leave then also at 5.00 a.m. and not stay all the night. I told her that this is not what we agreed. She should go or stick to the agreement which we made.
After approx. 10 minutes of haggling she agreed to receive 50 Peso in advance and 150 in the morning. We went to bed and there she told me that the piercing on her belly-buttom hurts, her breasts hurt and that she has her period as well. That was enough and I kicked her out. What a wate of time - I recommend that the Mongers should avoid these types of girls.
On Friday afternoon my flight was leaving for Madrid but I had enough time to call Andreia from Platynum. From her I got the very best service which made up for the desaster the night before.
I am actually a fan of Latin girls - I like the Brazilians more but this was an experience I would not like to miss.
Carlos Primeros
One Tree Hill
11-01-03, 14:11
Question for the board:
When an internet site or Clarin Ad say "Servicio Completo" Does that mean oral, straight and anal sex included?
Thanks
Hi One Tree Hill,
Specifically, the term "Servicio Completo" or simply "Completo" is a code word for anal. I'm not aware of a specific code word for oral sex, but then it's always been my experience that the expecation for oral sex is automatically understood.
Thanks,
Jackson
Exon Is In Town /// First to OutOfTheGame /// Saw Bill's little sweetie Sadia last night at Madaho's , she's waiting for him. Told me he's do in B. A. in about 20 days. Im interested in doing her friend Monique /// Next, last time I was in B.A., 5 months ago when I was in Madaho's there seems to be a complete turn over of girls in the club since that time, as there's several girls I was looking for but none to be found /// Matter of fact there seems to be a lot of new faces in the clubs I was in last night, must be the B.A. farm system in action /// But the talent looked good, just different/// Sorry about this format but thease South American computers are not made for non Spanish speaking Americanos /// Next To Mickey Mouse Im heading to Cattos and Hook tonight and will report on any of your sweeties I see in there /// And finally to DickHead please give me the exact door way that Maria stands in I'd like to meet her and I promise I'll be a gentelman /// More latter /// Exon
Carlos,
I've found that girls from DR are often aggressive, dishonest, of course in addition to be plan liars. I knew a dominican in Madhao that didn't exhibith these bad qualities at first but was simply too unquiet to be a good companion so I had enough of her too. Again, I don't want to generalize but when dealing with a DR girl I really think you have to be a lot more cautios. Of course it would have been even better not to give her anything first and then just the money for the taxi but you did the right thing anyway and it's all good. I think a big telltale about the bad disposition of a girl is she being obstinate about be paid first. The cool thing in B.A. is that is never to late in the night to drop a troublemaker and go get something good.
Clemson Tigers,
Randomly picking me, you got right to the Italian guy that spoke a little with you at the beer garden in Bangcock last August. I wonder if I didn't gave you my standard Argentina rave then!
I whish I had the talent to summarize in few lines the differences between Arg. and Thai. and why IMHO the first is an infinitely better place to go playing and to live as an expat. Problem is, I'm always scared of generalizing and sterotyping, plus as we know there is a lot of subjectiviness involved.
I may say, Bangcock stinks of two-cycle exhausts, bad food and open waste channels, but someone that likes the place could rebutt that the King's gardens there have the smell of thousand flowers.
I may say, Buenos Aires alone has enough charme, style and quality of life to be the absolut best place in the world to spend your money, even if it had just a fraction of the sexual offer that actually has. They may say that it cool to take the perfectly airconditioned skytrain going to a place where you get you cock sucked while drinking a beer.
They may say, Thailand has the best beaches in the world for fun and relax, but I'm happy enough in Mar del Plata, where the atmosphere is just like being in an European coastal town in 50's, I can buy a newspaper from my own contry (remotely printed) for us$ .30, and gorge in chocolat cakes in a 100% french-german patisserie (actually I'm not so crazy about sweets but mentioning the beef in Arg would be too much a cliche, wouldn't?).
I could be going on and on and on. In fact I had a little of these (admittely semi-stupid) confrontations with the guys in the Pattaya section, read my posts there if you're really curious.
To each one his own if you want to stick on a subjectivistic philosophy. But myself, I couldn't care less of philosophy, and just whish the good things remains as they are in Argentina at least as long I'll be around.
Clemson, If you will be in BsAs any soon drop me a PM. I promise to cut the adv. and just show you the facts :)
Jaimito Cartero
11-01-03, 22:02
Carlos - Yeah, well that's why it seems to be a bad idea to pay a girl upfront. Some of the girls don't want to live up to their end of the bargain. If she hurt in all those places, she should have just stayed home. Did you let her keep the 50 pesos?
Hi Guys,
My first time in BA, though I will be coming here many more times due to my job. I am an apartment / club / terma kind of guy because I prefer to meet unpretentious women who don't want an arm and a leg to screw.
I went to 1965 Corrientes and up to the 13th floor to apartment 13b. A small place with a waiting room and two rooms with beds for getting to know her. There were only two girls and one had just gone in a room, so I was introduced to Cari. Cari is 19, has dark hair with red fringes (like the goth look), and has a very pleasant personality. She is 19, about 5-5, has small tits, a nice ass, and is thin. She is pretty in a goofy kind of way with a couple of teeth not quite straight. I was quoted 50 pesos for 30 minutes. She proceeded to give me a good CBJ and then rode me cowgirl for awhile. That was followed by me on top with DFK and then doggie with lots of pleasureful yelping on her part.
Cari is not a 10 or a 9, but she is a real girl who was fun to be with. Can't wait to head back to BA for more apartment hunting!
Stoly,
I live in Europe. Your comparison of Arg (BA) with Bangkok is valid and in my view right on. My 2 visits to BA have been amongst the very best anywhere on the planet. Havana in a few days for me, then BA in December.
Regards, Havanaman
PS. BA, at night sounds and smells like Paris on a summers night.
Any audio Spanish language instruction that uses the Argentine accent?
I like to get my ears used to the way that Argentines say "ll", "j", "ch" letters in common words, before I arrive for a short vacation.
The Pimsleur's 3 levels of Spanish are good for learning to speak Spanish, but they do not use the Argentine accent.
Gracias.
Amantelondres
11-02-03, 19:38
Doing my homework prior to my forthcoming trip to BA, I see that Wendy of Platynum has indeed retired as previously forecast on this board. A sad day indeed.....she was one of my best experiences in BA.
However, I note that her "clone" has replaced her. A girl called Alanise. Looks fantastic. Has anyone had the pleasure yet? I shall certainly be reporting on this beauty.
WARNING on Cristobal Colon: 937 Cordoba (former SNOB)
This club is indeed open under a new name, as I reported. I plan to visit again next week to investigate further.
HOWEVER, this club is open as a club with women Monday-Friday. SATURDAY it is still open for men only, GAY night. It is closed Sunday.
Don't repeat Sexplorer's experience. The guy at the door won't stop you from entering. What does he know? When I heard about this from a tout, I stopped by and spoke to him about it.
I still think Croupier (Carlos Pelegrini near Corrientes) is trying. I stopped by again and happened to see the show at about 1:00AM. The tango dancers were better than Black's and they also had a very good Salsa couple.
They tell me the shows are about 1:00AM and about 2:30AM. They tell me they are opening about 9:00PM instead of 6:00. The women can still be improved, but they seem to be working on it.
ChicagoBoy23
11-03-03, 12:42
Any bars carry American football. Looking to watch the Monday night NFL game ?
Even better if there are chica´s there and buffalo wings !
MeGustaBoliches
11-03-03, 16:35
not sure about the football... but I like the chicas (waitresses) and especially the wings at Hooters, Recoleta....Funny, but I never think about football when I am in BA...too many other distractions.
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