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The reason Asuncion, whose privados have girls that will blow away any privado in Buenos Aires, has never been a serious monger destination is because Asuncion has no club scene. However, if you are privado guy, Asuncion is a chocolate fudge sundae covered with sprinkles, dulce de leche with a cherry on top"
Brothers. I am all about fine!
What is this place, ASUNCION? Are we talking European, or Indioso? Are we talking third world girls that fart, and pick their nose? Gotta tell more.
Iamonzon,
Asuncion is the capital of Paraguay. It is totally European. There is a limited Indian influenze. The Indians are Guarani Indians. The Guarani are like no Indians you have every seen. Tall, long legs, huge tits and European features.
The reason the Asuncian privados blow away the Buenos Aires privados is because Buenos Aires has some regulations which inhibit 18 to 21 year old girls from working in privados.
Asuncion has no such regulations. When the girls reach 21 in Asuncion they are no longer privado material. They are over the hill and have to relocate in Buenos Aires.
If you think the Paraguaian girls working in the privados in Buenos Aires are hot, go to Asuncion and see what they were like when they were younger and prettier.
What is this place, ASUNCION? Are we talking European, or Indioso? Are we talking third world girls that fart, and pick their nose? Gotta tell more.Asuncion, Capital of Paraguay. Paraguay is where a large number (1/3? More?) of the working girls in BA come from. You will have more Spanish- and Indio-looking women, with only a few European here and there.
I remember you saying that you were looking for fine-looking cultured women. Fine-looking is one thing, there are many many many fine looking Paraguayans, but cultured would be much more difficult to find. Paraguay shares the title of poorest country in the Western Hemisphere with Bolivia, I think.
Asuncion itself has no night scene at all really, which is one reason there are no (or few) clubs, I'm sure. The city is smaller, the buildings smaller, little to no architecture. Personally, I like Asuncion better than Buenos Aires because it doesn't feel as much as a concrete jungle - I'm not a city boy.
If you like Buenos Aires for the culture, for the European roots, for sophisticated women, the night life, etc, you probably wouldn't like Asuncion all that much unless you also like the simpler things in life.
Are we talking third world girls?
Gotta tell more.
Is there any sense of style, grace, refinement?
Anybody's comments are welcome.
Joe Hernandez
08-26-09, 20:26
I agree that Asuncion is a pretty western city but of course it's a lot smaller and does not have the Cosmoplitian look of BA. I would compare it to Montevideo or Rosario but not to BA.
The people in Asuncion mostly look European but that's different in other parts of Paraguay.
Any more thoughts about the impact the recession has on BA and Argentina?
Joe Hernandez
08-26-09, 20:28
Are we talking third world girls? Gotta tell more.
Is there any sense of style, grace, refinement?
Anybody's comments are welcome.The non pro girls in the upper middle class areas of Asucion are definitly classy, probally a lot more then there Portena counterparts.
Personally, I like Asuncion better than Buenos Aires because it doesn't feel as much as a concrete jungle - I'm not a city boy.I don't know if I like Asuncion better than Buenos Aires but I am living in Asuncion more than in Buenos Aires. That must mean something.
However, Queso and I probably have different preferences than most people.
I would recommend Buenos Aires to anyone. I would not recommend Asuncion to everyone. Asuncion is for those who want a quieter life combined with the world's most gorgeous privado girls.
I confess - I am only a border line monger. I certainly don't mind p2p once in a while, but it has got to be very very special.
You are right Queso, I am looking for a little refinement and sense of grace in a Ms. Universe body - maybe that makes me a pig, or just an honest man.
So, this place just got on my radar screen. Thanks boys! I suppose the dollar goes far!? I suppose there are few gringos?! I suppose it is at least as safe as Cali?! And, I suppose I can find at least one late night Electronica club?!?!
It looks like it is going to be a very very interesting 6 months.
Searching the web I found this link about the beauty of paraguayan ladies. Most of the girls on the photos are models, but, well, really gorgeous.
I hope is right to share this.
http://www.bellezaparaguaya.com/200...1/myalbum1.html
This came from Jackson's International sex guide under photos. Shows a few of the girls from Paraguay.
During last summers Olympic games the ceremonies were initiated with a parade of athletes. The cameras immediately zoomed onto one of the woman javelin throwers. She was from Paraguay. The consensus was that she might not win an Olympic gold medal but she would win the Miss Universe title any day of the week.
Rock Harders
08-26-09, 23:25
Mongers,
I have been to Asuncion a few times and I can concur what El Alamo is saying about the Paraguayas. Generally speaking, the privado girls I encountered were under 21 years old, had large wonderful tits, and would forget about using a condom with very little effort. This little effort may include a bribe of a whopping $10 USD or just a little chamullo. There is no club scene at all that I saw; there was something called Karim Club but I heard that closed and it was a total shithole anyway. There are high-end working girls at the Yacht and Golf Casino outside of Asuncion; however, they charge rip-off prices (by Asuncion levels) which means they ask for $100-$200 USD.
The non-pro chicas in Asuncion are every bit as hot or hotter than the non-pros in Buenos Aires. Typical discotecas in Asuncion are not filled with hordes of annoying males as in Buenos Aires; in every place I went to there was at least a 3:2 female / male ratio. The girls are very, very friendly as well and dig gringos.
The problem with Asuncion for me is that it is a little too much of a third world shithole that gets boring after a few days. It is the only major city in South America where I got sick from the food. Also, there are no direct flights to anywhere in the world except neighboring countries.
Suerte,.
Rock Harders
So this place is a little more 3rd world for real. Does it have internet? It has to! It's a capital city, right.
A photo is worth a 1,000 words, thanks for the link el Alamo
So this place is a little more 3rd world for real. Does it have internet? It has to! It's a capital city, right.
A photo is worth a 1,000 words, thanks for the link el AlamoI spent five days there last year with a friend on my way to Ciudad del Este and Foz do Iguacu and I don't regret it. Nothing fancy but passable.
If you are not that old try the upscale shoping mall and the discotecas at the outscirts of the city. Chicas there were eye candy although most of them escorted.
Very nice and very cheap privados. I would return for another week if I had a wing man again but not alone.
Hire a taxi to take you around the villages for a day trip and look at the Ascuncion board for more info.
Internet is available mostly in locutorios.
Joe Hernandez
08-27-09, 14:19
I spent five days there last year with a friend on my way to Ciudad del Este and Foz do Iguacu and I don't regret it. Nothing fancy but passable.
If you are not that old try the upscale shoping mall and the discotecas at the outscirts of the city. Chicas there were eye candy although most of them escorted.
Very nice and very cheap privados. I would return for another week if I had a wing man again but not alone.
Hire a taxi to take you around the villages for a day trip and look at the Ascuncion board for more info.
Internet is available mostly in locutorios.I just spend a few days there but I do not think its more dangerous then any other city in the region of comparable size. I thought it was a pretty laid back city
For those who think Paraguay is a poor, poor country, it is not.
Paraguay is probably the only country in the world that is so self sufficient in the generation of electricity (due to their half ownership in the biggest hydroelectric power plant in the world) that they export more electricity than they use. And electricity isn't going to become cheaper anytime in our lifetime.
Paraguay has an agricultural base and probably a mineral base although I don't know what minerals they are rich in.
But best of all, Paraguay has a fucking government that gets out of the way. Everything is cheaper in Paraguay than in Argentina or Brazil (I should know because I live in Argentina and Brazil) Electronic goods and most products are at U. S. prices I. E. much lower than the prices in Argentina or Brazil. This is all because the fucking government doesn't tax everything that isn't nailed down or hidden.
The citizens of Paraguay have big plans, and big ideas and big dreams because they know they can come true. The citizens of Brazil have similar aspirations while the citizens of Argentina have lost all initiative thanks to the most ridiculous labor laws, the most rampant government corruption and the most useless labor unions in the known world.
For those who look to government to solve their problems, take into consideration the repressive effect government has on everything it touches. Government, at every level, is a leach which is bound and determined to drain you of blood until you are a corpse.
Reagan had it right when he said government is not the answer to our problems, government is the problem.
P.S. Moody's just raised Paraguay's debt rating to B+. While not great it is probabaly better than every other country in South America with the possible exception of Chile.
Paraguay's biggest agricultural crop is pot. They export $3.6 billion dollars of pot annually or between $500 and $1000 per citizen. Pot is a bigger source of income than soy, which they also have a lot of
(I agree on the anti governmental rant. Within 3 years the by line of Obama's hope will be cronnyism - nothing intentional, just a side effect of his ideology. All is well with the though, I predict, Reaganism and Thatcherism is going to be a powerful wave on the heels of Obama. It could not be any other way. We will need another 3.5 years just for the shit to get worked out of the system.
But, to the larger point, thanks for keeping the thread going.
I must admit the Paraguay thing has caught my attention. However, there is little to go on. Any additional references and comments would be appreciated.
I have found some crime and danger stories - but, hell - I lived in Cali for the greater part of a year. Shit can go sideways for a gringo pretty fast in that city.
I would love to learn more about the distribution of wealth and various levels of society - if they exist. God damn, there are a lot of very very very beautiful women there WTF. The look appeals to me much more than Cali.
Already planning a field trip. But any comments from seasoned travelers would be helpful.
Gracias
This thread is on its last breath, so a couple direct follow questions.
1, " I would go back with a wingman, not alone." WHY - safety?
2, "However, Queso and I probably have different preferences than most people." In what way, other than BA is huge night life / city and Ausunsion is much smaller and rural?
Sorry, for not letting well enough alone boys. Just trying to put a fine point on this. I am done now.
I hope we haven't mislead you. Asuncion is not for everyone. It is sort of similar to the difference between Cancun and Cozumel. Cancun is all glitter. Cozumel is, or was, old style with old buildings and dirt streets. I liked both Cancun and Cozumel but my preference was always Cozumel. Most people, especially your girlfriend or wife, would have preferred Cancun. Asuncion is Cozumel, Cancun is Buenos Aires.
My personal opinion is that both Buenos Aires and Asuncion are equally safe and probably safer than most cities in the United States. In most cities in the United states there are areas where, especially at night, your chance of surviving until the sun comes up is negligible. Easy to deal with. Don't go to those areas. Same with Asuncion and Buenos Aires.
I think Queso said it best when he said that parts of Buenos Aires are a concrete jungle. If traffic, polution, noise and limited open spaces don't bother you, Buenos Aires is great.
Asuncion has less traffic, less polution, less noise and a lot of open spaces. Asuncion would be similar to barrios in Capital Federal like Flores, Cabillito, Palermo, Belgrano or Liniers. It is not Microcenter or Recoleta.
At the end of the day it all comes down to pussy. Being a privado guy I prefer the pussy scene in Asuncion. A club guy would probably either be on Prozac, in a straight jacket or have committed suicide after a week in Asuncion.
P.S. even privado guys will need a little time to figure out the privado scene in Asuncion
HappyGoLucky
08-29-09, 20:34
There's a really good club scence in Asuncion and surrounding areas (Fernando de la Mora) but it's not for gringos so you have to hook up with a local. One of my favorites is Chechos, but there are many.
HappygoLucky.
You are entirely right.
There are many residential areas in Asuncion that would rival anything in southern California. For example, between the streets Espana and Mcal Lopez for a distance of about 5 miles you would think you were in La Jolla. California.
In fact, Carmelita which is on the border of this area, is considered to be even more affluent.
Much of Asuncion is affluent by anybody's standards.
The shopping malls have Kilkenneys, Faces etc which are filled with the most beautiful girls you could imagine. But these girls are not hookers.
There are no Madaho's or Blacks no matter how hard you look - and there never will be. The reason is that Asuncion is a city of about 2 million people, maybe more, and these girls do not want their neighbors to know they are hookers.
If the club scene to you means a club full of girls waiting to be offered money to leave, you won't find it in Asuncion.
If the club scene to you means high end clubs filled with drop dead gorgeous 18-21 year old girls, you will be in heavon. Nothing in the United States could come within 10,000,000 light years of high end clubs in Asuncion (the clubs in Asuncion are not filled with want to be babes or used to be babes, they filled with the real deal - 18 to 21 year old babes)
P.S. I just came back from the supermarket with my girlfriend. The supermarket is couple blocks from where I live in Asuncion. The supermarket is more modern and at least two or three times bigger than any Disco or Norte in Buenos Aires, and two to three times cleaner. What is even better is that it is packed with a better looking clientale than Buenos Aires (no old farts sucking on lemons) with a high percentage of gorgeous young girls who always have a big smile and hello for you
Damn it. You guys. Your fucking killing me. Sounds like this place deserves to be on the head lines of Maxxim magazine. NO STRIKE THAT! Let's keep it on the down low, so only real doer and adventures get to realize the benefit. Fortunately most would-be adventurers (be they mongers, or not) are 99% dreamers and NEVER GO. Especially to a place so far off the beaten track.
Question 1. IS THE CLUB SCENE "electronica" / moderno, OR traditional Latin American. Salsa / Cross over?
(Electronica / moderno clubs seek out and celebrate foreign visitors, whereas Latin clubs are a little more closed. Just my view. I have friends who are DJ's and travel throughout SA)
Question 2. Non Pro Girls: Age gaps and League gaps.
Exactly a year ago, I visited Cali, Colombia for one week. I like it so much I moved there for 7 months. I got to know the culture very very deeply. Only with such prolonged experience, do I now understand how Colombian women perceive men's age, physical appearance and status. It is totally different than how a man is valuated in the US. My girl friend in Cali was a non pro; scholarship university student; who speaks English, French, Spanish, AND Japanese. She comes for a middle class family (still not a high standard of living compared to the US). I am middle aged, not ugly, stay physically fit, and I still got an A game. But come on! I do not have the same value in the US as I do in Colombia. Not by a mile.
Alamo's comments make me think that Asucion is similar to Cali. TRUE OR FALSE?
Question 3 I also get the impression that there is much poverty, but also much affluence. I get the impression that there are very nice areas in this city for shopping and entertainment. Albeit, certainly not BA; New York; and Miami standards. PLEASE CONFIRM / ELABORATE
Gracias. Seems like this thread just got a little more wind. Muy Buenos.
PS. HappyGo "but it's not for gringos so you have to hook up with a local." There could be many reasons for this comment, can you please give your reasoning?
I think the reason we are always warning people that Asuncion may not be for them is because Asuncion is the reverse of Buenos Aires.
When you first arrive in Buenos Aires you see Microcentro, Recoleta, Barrio Norte, Palarmo and Belgrano. These are pretty upscale places. Many tourists never see the other barrios of Buenos aires and never ever see the provincies of Buenos Aires where 10 million of the 13 million people pf Buenos Aires live.
Usually tourists have a favorable impression of Recoleta, Microcentro, Palermo etc and are left with the impression that Buenos Aires in affluent. Wrong. Visit where most people live in Buenos Aires. 10 of the 13 million people living in the provinces of Buenos Aires. The provinces are approaching a 3rd world country status.
Asuncion is just the opposite. Downtown Asuncion, although I love it, is comparable to the provinces of Buenos Aires. They was never any wealth in downdown Asuncion and there is no wealth there today.
The wealth in Paraguay is new wealth. Paraguay is becoming wealthier while Argentina continues its perpetual decline into poverty. The wealthy zones of Asuncion are on the outskirts I. E. Villa Morra, Carmilita etc.
When you hear Asuncion is a cesspool you are hearing from people who never left downdown Asuncion. These same people would say Buenos Aires was cesspool if you dropped them in the provinces of Buenos Aires.
When you take the whole of Buenos Aires and the whole of Asuncion into consideration - they are not that far apart, and there is a very good possibility that overall, Asuncion has surpassed Buenos Aires.
Question 3 I also get the impression that there is much poverty, but also much affluence. I get the impression that there are very nice areas in this city for shopping and entertainment - albeit, certainly not BA; New York; and Miami standards. PLEASE CONFIRM / ELABORATE"Very nice areas" may be a bit of an overstatement. Decent areas, pretty areas, nice to very houses to be sure. El Alamo mentioned Ja Jolla - and I can can sure see the comparison, but it's all a little shabbier, somewhat third-world spin to it. As well, you are as likely to be amongst nice houses on a very rough-cobbled street (piedrado - hard stones with edges sticking up at all angles) as you are on a decently paved street, with all conditions between. I don't mind that at all, but some people do mind and wouldn't think of La Jolla in an equal comparison. Between Mariscal Lopez and Espana starting Argentina Blvd. Is an example of those kinds of neighborhoods.
The streets are in very poor condition in many to most parts of the city.
The shopping is not bad. There are a few modern shopping malls, one with a couple of nice restaurants. The malls are not usually very busy, and the prices are a bit high.
There are plenty of places to shop though, all around the city. And there is a pretty good selection of things. It's not like BA at all, where things are hit and miss and you never know if something is going to be on the shelves. Paraguayans care about taking care of business for the most part. You may not have all the comforts of home, but things will be more stably accessible and at reasonable prices in most places.
One thing I've had a problem with in Asuncion is clothing. Many (most? Paraguayans are small in comparison with North Americans and Europeans. For example, I have not been able to buy any shirts in Paraguay with the exception of some locally-made shirts in Itagua (outside Asuncion) because theya re too small. I've found plenty of shirts marked XXL and even XXXL. But the XXXL shirts fit me like something between a medium and a large in the sizes I'm used to. I wear XL when I buy shirts in the States. There must be places to buy large shirts there because there are some large guys in Paraguay, but I have yet to find the stores.
As El Alamo said about the supermarkets too, I would agree that they are superior to many of the supermarkets I've been to here in BA.
And El Alamo is absolutely correct about the Paraguayan people's determination to get ahead, particularly with "El Padre" or "El Obispo" in power. There is a real hope now that the corrupt assholes who held power there for 69 years (record for longest control of a country by a single party in modern history) are out of power that things will get better. My wife talks all the time about improvements that are happening, that people are seeing now, directly related to the president's policies.
I've told many of my friends here that I see Asuncion sort of as the old west in the States in the late 1800s, say. The government is not in everything, there are a lot of poor "settlers" away from the few major cities, and there are resources and opportunities all over the place for a foreigner with a little smarts and a relatively small amount of money to invest.
I'm not suggesting taking advantage of anyone either. It doesn't have to be the way carpet baggers hit the southern States after the war, for example. I know a guy there who introduced me to the President of the Senate a few months ago (yes, we actually went to his office in the government building that housed the congressmen's offices) The guy I know has a ton of ideas on how to make money and help people at the same time, taking advantage of the growth that is starting to happen. The senator told me that foreign money is well respected and that things would flow reasonably smoothly for foreigners bringing investment money into the country.
On how the country itself is - I've only been to Asuncion and the country between Asuncion and Concepcion, about 400 klicks from Asuncion (I've driven the highways through there 4 times now) All around Asuncion are fairly decent places. Some affluent neighborhoods, some poor neighborhoods. As you start getting away from Asuncion, there are a lot of little villages or small towns that are usually fairly clean and neat.
The farther you get from Asuncion (at least in the direction of Concepcion) the poorer things get in general. There are still some nice towns all the way through there, but you start having a lot of places that my wife refers to as "el campo" which literally translates to "the field", but we would call the country (or the sticks, the boondocks, Bumfuck Egypt, etc)
My wife comes from a "campo" near Concepcion, and povery out there is very, very real. Worse than I've seen in Argentina, but I'm sure it must exist here as well, just not in the large percentage as it does "out there" in Paraguay. We're talking about places where an extended family of 15-20 people (sometimes, say, thirteen of those being children of the husband and wife core) live in one or two shabby huts made of unevenly-cut wood, roofed with thatch and floored with dirt. Wind howling through there at night, particularly in the winter when it gets quite chilly to cold for short periods. The "kitchen" an old wood table out in the open to cut and prep food, and a fire built in one small portion of one of the huts where they live.
Possibly no electricity. Likely no running water, but certainly a well to draw water from. No proper bathroom, but a 6' by 6' concrete slab covered on three sides by shabby wood, the fourth covered by a thin sheet for entrance / exit, where you splash water on yourself from the well as a "shower", and an outhouse about 100 feet from the house with a porcelain toilet inside, but you have to poor the water in the bowl (carried in a bucket from the well) to flush it into the hole below.
Still quite a bit of poverty in Paraguay when you get away from the city.
But with all of that, even the highways between the major cities in Paraguay, although only 2 lane roads, where actually in much better condition than what I found in the north of Argentina when I drove from here to Asuncion a few months ago.
And the food, in general, is better. The Paraguayans understand how to cook much more so than the Argentinos. The chorizos they make there are much much better. They actually make some spicy chorizos. And even the non-spciy chorizos have a much better flavor than Argentine chorizos. and so on.
HappyGoLucky
08-31-09, 18:19
This link is a short article on Asuncion from Live and Invest Overseas, a cousin to Internationl Living:
http://www.liveandinvestoverseas.com/archivesaug25th.html
As one can see from the article, one man's silver is another man's gold. It's all perspective and personal taste. I think for the adventurous of heart, Paraguay is muy interesante. And there are some very good restaurants, including a big expat hangout called The Britannia.
HappyGoLucky
08-31-09, 18:43
PS. HappyGo "but it's not for gringos so you have to hook up with a local." There could be many reasons for this comment, can you please give your reasoning?Well, if you want to experience the club scene in Asuncion and surrounding areas, it would be good to hook up with a local that can take you to a variety of different clubs. For example, I've been to some balnearios that become discos at night with live bands and swimming; they're really fun. However, these places are difficult to find, and no one speaks English, so it's best to go with someone you trust. Also, beware anyone that approaches you in a club and wants to immediately become your best friend or "set you up" with a chica. You might find yourself drugged and robbed.
As El Alamo pointed out, it ain't Newport in the Recoleta.
Happy, et all. I understand about the adventurous. About the danger, I get that too.
In Cali, for example, it is a place that become very safe to me. However, if a gringo went there without knowledge and a hook-up, rented a car at the airport, and went to explore Colombia. Pretty high probability that's a story destined to end badly - maybe very badly.
Can anyone approximate the comparison I am making?
In other words, although there are some bad areas in Miami, Atlanta, and New York, there is no question in my mind that Cali is 100s more dangerous to a gringo with no direction.
A gringo will not have that level of additional danger, alone, without hookups, in Asuncion. It's not a dangerous place, although as stated danger can exist. It's a friendly place, particularly to gringos. Paraguayans like gringos for the most part, and don't often hate them at the other end of the spectrum.
Just keep your eyes open when you're walking around, because depending on where you are (near the river in some places, for example) you can end up in a not so good neighborhood pretty quickly. But most of the city is as safe as most large cities in the world, with moderate caution urged as always.
This post has become useful to me as it fairly and fully references other cities, not just BA. I am planning an extended trip and I do want to see more than just one city / country. I do LIKE beautiful women too. So, Asuncion is on my list now. (Big thanks for those vets that contributed and replied to PMs).
However, So, is Florannapolis. It has been mentioned to me several times. And frankly, I don't know shit about it yet. And, so is Uruguay. It is ranked high by expats, but seems to get a thumbs down by the monger community.
These seems as good as place as any to ask the same questions of these two locations as I have already asked of Asuncion.
* and please remember, as for me, I am only a very border line monger. I prefer my women be far less worn with a little grace, stature, and class. (And I readily admit that some of the best times I have had, sexually, have been with girls that took their enjoyment professionally.)
I have been living in Asuncion for over a month with a few side trips to Buenos Aires and Florianopolis. I am going to wait until the summer and see what Asuncion is like then. Also plan to spend a lot of time in Florianopolis this summer to see how Florianopolis is in the summer.
However, it may be that I will bring my dogs from Florianopolis and live full time in Asuncion. I hate traveling and dread every time I have to leave Asuncion to return to Buenos Aires or Florianopolis.
The available women in Asuncion are from another planet, provided you have nothing against gorgeous 18 to 21 year olds and provided you know the scene.
If you perfer more mature women i.e. anything over 21 years old, Asuncion is probably not for you.
The only person I know who understands the scene in Asuncion is Rock Harders. But when you know the scene - Asuncion is a chocolate fudge sundae, covered with sprinkles, almonds and dulce the leche with a cherry on top.
The only thing I miss in Asuncion is a bar like El Alamo in Buenos Aires or the Black Swan in Lagoa da Conceicao (Florianopolis)
P.S. I don't know what restrictions the Paraguay visa has. In Brazil you can only be in the country 6 months a year without obtaining permanent residency (which has serious drawbacks) and in Argentina you need to check out of the country every 90 days unless you obtain residency (which again has serious drawbacks).
I have been living in Asuncion for over a month with a few side trips to Buenos Aires and Florianopolis. I am going to wait until the summer and see what Asuncion is like then. Also plan to spend a lot of time in Florianopolis this summer to see how Florianopolis is in the summer.
However, it may be that I will bring my dogs from Florianopolis and live full time in Asuncion. I hate traveling and dread every time I have to leave Asuncion to return to Buenos Aires or Florianopolis.
The available women in Asuncion are from another planet, provided you have nothing against gorgeous 18 to 21 year olds and provided you know the scene.
If you perfer more mature women I. E. Anything over 21 years old, Asuncion is probably not for you.
The only person I know who understands the scene in Asuncion is Rock Harders. But when you know the scene - Asuncion is a chocolate fudge sundae, covered with sprinkles, almonds and dulce the leche with a cherry on top.
The only thing I miss in Asuncion is a bar like El Alamo in Buenos Aires or the Black Swan in Lagoa da Conceicao (Florianopolis)
P. S. I don't know what restrictions the Paraguay visa has. In Brazil you can only be in the country 6 months a year without obtaining permanent residency (which has serious drawbacks) and in Argentina you need to check out of the country every 90 days unless you obtain residency (which again has serious drawbacks)Everything is cool El Alamo, just please don't bring that dog back to Argentina, everyone feals safer that way.
Exon
I am happy this thread refuses to die. And thanks to you, Alamo, and some others here at AP, I have become interested in Paraguay too. So a couple of obvious questions, from your last post:
1, how can there be a GLUT of 18 - 21 year olds (which is fucking great for me) but without a similar population 21 and up?
* for me personally, I am trying to raise my dating age range. I would also prefer non-pros, yet there is often a very thin line between the two I know.*
2, What does travel consist of that makes it such a difficulty - time; method; bureaucracy?
Gracias
Iamzonzon.
Thanks for your post.
The reason there is an abundance of 18 to 21 years olds in Paraguay, as far as I can tell, is because there are no legal restrictions against 18 to 21 year olds working in Paraguay. In Argentina the 18 to 21 range is a nebulous zone. You have probably noticed that every website in Buenos Aires claims their girl are at least 21 years old. As far as I know no websites in argentina claim their girls are 18,19 or 20 years old.
Why do some mongers prefer 18 and 19 year old girls? Because, when the girls reach the 21 year old age range they have a higher probability of having one or more children - not the end of the world but not a big plus.
Furthermore, no matter how hot a 21, 22 or 23 year old is, they have a hard time competing with really hot 18 and 19 year olds, especially if the 21, 22 or 23 year old had a child.
Basically, once a girl reaches her early 20's in Paraguay she has 2 choices, 1) retire or 2) go to Buenos Aires or Santa Cruz, Boliva. She has a hard time being competetive in Asuncion.
The girls from Paraguay that you rave about in Buenos Aires often are rejects in Asuncion. This is not always the case because some really hot girls from Paraguay are in Buenos Aires because they realize that the economics of working in Buenos Aires offer advantages.
As far as why I dislike traveling so much - I am retired and my days are filled with a bunch of nothing. Easy living. No hassles. Fix me another Margarita. I don't really care if the stock market crashes or Ben Ladin is captured.
I don't enjoy packing bags, taking taxis to the airport, checking in, going through customs, hanging around waiting for the plane, being stuck in an inhumane seat for several hours, going through customs again, having your baggage checked again, finding a taxi and relocating in a new living arrangement in another city. Repeat all that crap for the return trip. I have enjoyed that bullshit about as much as I can.
But I will say it one more time. Asuncion is not for everyone. If you prefer Cancun over Cozumel, Miami Beach over Old Puerta Plata, Shula's Steakhouse over a hole in the wall dive - Asuncion is probably not for you.
I am not in the least bit worried that Asuncion will ever become either a monger or a tourist destination. But for me it is HEAVON. Keep the Viagra and testosterone injections in the locked and ready position.
Sidney.
Sorry, didn't see your post right away.
To answer your questions. Some of Rock Harder's fly in girlfriends are from Asuncion. They are hot.
I know the privado scene in Buenos Aires pretty well and I enjoy it a lot. However, for some reason I prefer the privado scene in Asuncion.
The reason might be that the liklihood of finding an absolute knock out in Asuncion is higher. The Buenos Aires girls take good pictures (often thanks to hours of photoshop) but rarely do you end up face to face with a drop dead gorgeous girl.
Plus, the prices in Asuncion are so low, $12 dollars for 30 minutes, $20 to 25 dollars an hour, that if a really gorgeous girl is not available, you have a massage and go to the next privado. This is known as sperm management - a concept that Exon invented and for which Exon was awarded a Nobel Price.
By the way Exon, I just put Rocky on the plane. Rocky should arrive at your house in about 12 hours. I know you two will have a great time together.
"This known as sperm management - a concept that Exon invented and for which Exon was awarded a Nobel Price " I already thought highly of Exon. Now I think even moreso! LOL.
Sorry to try to put these posts under a microscope, but I am trying to get a better sense of the personality, maturity, and manner of the women both in BA and Paraguay. Can you elaborate?
Also, it would be great to append any info on gringo treatment and business opportunities.
Thanks again.
Sidney,
Every country has smoking hot chicks. I think Paraguay has a higher ratio than most countries of hot chicks that are available.
Plus, Paraguay is not Brasil, Columbia, Cuba or the Dominican Republic. Paraguay is a mixture of Guarani Indian and European. I don't think I have seen a single black person in the month I have been here. As an example, a girl I know here is Carmen. Her father is German and her mother is Guarani. She is 18 years old and could be on the cover of any fashion magazine in the world.
However, I would say that 95% to 99% of people would prefer Buenos Aires over Asuncion.
Asuncion has no ex pat community that I have found. In the month that I have been here I don't remember meeting a single person from another country.
Having a working knowledge of Spanish is essential. I don't remember meeting a single person who spoke English outside of a couple of girls working for the airlines at the airport.
I have this great idea. We start a bar here where the girls drink for free. Fill the place up with smoking hot girls and charge the guys. Sounds like El Alamo in Buenos Aires.
However, in Asuncion all the trendy nightspots have free drinks for girls. That is why there are so many girls in places like Faces, Kilkenney's etc.
This concept that we thought was so original in Buenos Aires is common place in Asuncion.
There was a post on Jackson's International Sex Guide where a person was saying to his friends living in Asuncion - Wise up, don't tell anybody about Asuncion. You'll ruin a good thing. Keep this secret to ourselves. The last thing we need are a bunch of bozos coming to Asuncion and throwing money arround.
Although I understand where this person is coming from, that is never going to happen. Asuncion will never be either a tourist or a monger destination. I and a few other people have it all to ourselves.
Iamzonzon.
I will say it again. 95% to 99% of people would prefer Buenos Aires to Asuncion.
As far as the maturity of the girls. We are talking about 18 and 19 year old girls. They have no maturity.
What happens to the girls after they reach 21 is a mystery to me. I just don't see them.
As far as business oportunities - you don't want to go there. I don't have details but I imagine it is like Brasil or Argentina which means to say - run, run just as fast as you can away from there.
There is this idea that Brasil in on the verge of becoming some type of economic power. After living in Florianopolis and becoming friends with some business people all I can say is bull fucking shit. Brasil has an intrusive, corrupt government, and an anti business atitude. Brasil has a large economy because Brasil has a large population.
However, I would bet the ranch that Brasil will never have a standard of living that even approaches the standard of living in smaller economies (such as Norway, Switzerland, Netherlands etc) which have more honest and transparent governments..
The countries that will always be be at the head of the economic pack are the countries that recognize that government, at all levels, is a cancer. And if you let this cancer grow the patient will die. Brasil has not figured that out.
The only thing I miss in Asuncion is a bar like El Alamo in Buenos Aires or the Black Swan in Lagoa da Conceicao (Florianopolis)Sounds like we need to do something about this.
Rock Harders
10-04-09, 06:53
Mongers,
I will respond in general to several of the questions that have been posted here recently regarding Asuncion. First, the reason why there are so many young 18-20 year old girls working in the privados in Asuncion is because there is a great exodus of Paraguayans to Argentina that occurs after they finish secondary school and realize there is no hope for them in Paraguay. The girls work for a few years in Asuncion, get tired of the work, and head down to Buenos Aires the "mecca of economic opportunity" for Paraguayans.
The reason that there are so many good looking girls in Paraguay comes down to genetics and environmental influences. The guarani / european mix has produced some beautiful women and the fair weather, lack of smoking, and the absolute lack of socioeconomic opportunities for 99% of Paraguayan women has made it a requirement for the Paraguaya to be as beautiful as possible in order to compete for the very few economically-strong males.
In terms of bars and free drinks, the men at the bars and clubs in Paraguay always pay for all the drinks for the girls. The only males who frequent the bars and nightclubs are the rich because the rest of the male population could not possibly afford to go out at night and spend money on cover charges, drinks, etc. There are groups of girls from all but the very bottom socioeconomic levels at the bars and clubs in Asuncion. This is why at Coyote, Faces, Kilkenny, etc, there is always at least a 2/1 female / male ratio. These girls are at least as good looking as the girls that frequent the top-end nightclubs in Buenos Aires. Again, all these women go out as dolled up as possible in the hope of scoring one of the very few monied males in Asuncion. Most of these girls would kill to be taken out of Paraguay by a gringo.
In terms of livability, Asuncion just does not do it at all for me; this is because it is too small a city and there is essentially nothing to do other than fuck girls in privados. Also, there is not the 24 hour action that there is in Buenos Aires, Rio de Janeiro, or Sao Paulo. There are no worthwhile hooker clubs / bars, no beach, third world technology / infrastructure. However, the Paraguayans are really, really kind and nice people and there is a true plethora of available beautiful women.
For an older guy who speaks Spanish and just wants a quiet, relaxed place filled with kind people and beautiful women that he can fuck for a pittance, Asuncion could be paradise. However, if you are a young action junkie who likes a cosmopolitan, international and varied scene, Asuncion would disappoint you.
Suerte,
Rock Harders
Since this thread is beginning to take on "some non-mongering substance" -an accomplishment for this group:) can we please, JUST THIS ONE TIME, continue with a dialog that expands this discussion to Uruguay, Southern Brazil, and the secondary areas of Argentina?
(I realize this is primarily only relevant for those that can travel long and deep without a fixed schedule. But there is truly a lack of info on this subject.)
My sense of things so far suggests BA is a great place to visit, but tough place to live. Paraguay is the wild west - filled with beautiful women, of course. Uraguay is a paradise for ex pat living, but thin on mongering. And South Brazil is a little more expensive cluster fuck of fun, but you wake up with a hang over.
Gracias!
WorldTravel69
10-05-09, 20:51
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=162
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=165
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=158
Since this thread is beginning to take on "some non-mongering substance" -an accomplishment for this group:) can we please, JUST THIS ONE TIME, continue with a dialog that expands this discussion to Uruguay, Southern Brazil, and the secondary areas of Argentina?
(I realize this is primarily only relevant for those that can travel long and deep without a fixed schedule. But there is truly a lack of info on this subject.
My sense of things so far suggests BA is a great place to visit, but tough place to live. Paraguay is the wild west - filled with beautiful women, of course. Uraguay is a paradise for ex pat living, but thin on mongering. And South Brazil is a little more expensive cluster fuck of fun, but you wake up with a hang over.
Gracias!
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