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I just came back from a week long trip to BA.
I have been to Rio 6x, Costa Rica 2x, DR, SEA, etc I was looking to check out a new place. I was deciding between Cuba, Panama, and BA. To be honest I was not a huge fan. For a destination that takes 16 hours total travel time from NY I would rather go to SEA. Also once you have been to Rio its really hard because the GFE and sex appeal of the girls there is amazing. Although Rio is not what it once was even 6 years ago its a lot harder to have a bad time there. The girls are passionate and they give you the fantasy. Let me state thati am not looking for as many girls as I can bang a day. I am more of a 1 girl / day kind of guy or sometimes if she is amazing try her again and usually have had some of my best experiences the 2nd time around. Some guys are not interested in this butim just giving you my point of view so you understand where I'm coming from.
I am also not into hard core pros. I always look for the younger, less miles kind of girl.
Rented a nice Apartment from Paolo info@bairesrent. Com. Ar
He was very easy to reach and made the process super easy. A guy was waiting for me at the apt. 300 usd / week for studio I decided on the 1 bedroom and he gave me a deal for 375usd. Had great wireless Internet, kitchen, balcony, separate bedroom. 2 tv's with dvd cable etc. The location was perfect in recoleta.
Its a few blocks from Madaho's, good food, safe area. And its in the middle between Palermo Soho and downtown for the casas.
Casas. Not really my cup of tea. Sort of reminds me of Tijuana. Dirty, nasty, etc. Its very mechanical, the girls are ok in some but overalli don't enjoy walking down busy, crazy streets ringing doorbells, and having sex in a nasty environment. Again some people love this shit but not me.
Esmeralda 517 1B was one casa that was ok, bit cleaner. They bring you to a room and about 15 girls were there each day. They come in 1 x 1 give you a kiss and say their name. Some were nasty, there was always a few cute ones. Isessioned there 3 x and each time it was just ok. Prices here are 150pesos 1/2 hour 200 hour 250 completa 1 hour.
I chose completa and each time the girl was complaining. It was just annoying. The 3 girls I chose were all pretty hot+ about 19. 2 were from Paraguay. But again nothing compared to a terma in rio where you can literally pound a girl through the wall and she will tell you to keep going.
The only other casa I thought was ok was Esmeralda 779/ PB4
Prices were the same as above. I went to about 10 casas in total. The other thing you have to watch out is some will try to give you a problem. After going to 1 on Esmeralda (I cannot remember the exact address) wanted to charge me 100 pesos after I said I didnt like anybody + wanted to leave. They locked the door and there were 3 girls harassing me for money. I am pretty big guy 6' 200 lbs etc but you never know what can happen in these smaller casas. Some have security guys in other rooms. I speak some spanish so I basically told them to fuck off, and after 5 minutes of arguing I left. Its just a buzz kill to have to deal with that. So for me this whole Casa thing was shit. Some guys like it because you can go to a place like Maipu 359 apt 74 and have completa for 120 pesos hour but again not my kind of experience.
Everyone talks about Madahos so I had to check it out. It basically looks like a high end US strip club. Paid 90 pesos to enter and it includes a drink. You can walk around freely or sit down. About 30- 35 girls the night I went. Age was older I would say 25-35 years old with about 4 girls that were around 21. Most had fake boobs, very aggressive, hardcore. Some hot girls but you can tell from their behavior that it was all business. There was 1 girli liked but did not partake. They all ask 200USD. You can neg down to about 400 pesos (1 hour) if your good. Plus 120 pesos drink for them. If your the type of guy that just wants to say he banged a "playboy" type chick with a lot of experience then you will love it here. But the vibe is not very GFE to me.
My favorite were the clubs downtown in centro. Hook, Catto's and Ness (Near Suipacha and Paraguay streets) they open around 10pm. Smaller versions of Madahos but with a friendlier non aggressive vibe. Yes you will still find girls that are pushy but in each of these 3 clubs (which are on the same block next to each other) you will find someone interesting. They are not 10's but when I was there each club had 2 girls that were 19+20 cute, newer to the business etc. I had a good time here and spent the next 4 nights hanging out in these clubs.
The thing is like in any city once you sessioned with 1 girl at the place you become"known" The girls all talk etc so it can work to your advantage. They all hang around you, wanting you to pick them etc and they end up treating you better in my experience if you treat them well. I didnt feel a lot of pressure to buy them drinks. They were cool with me. Once you decide you want to buy a girl a drink its 60 pesos. Your drinks are 30 pesos no entrance fee. The girls will ask for anything+ everything. I paid 200 pesos for most 1 girl 300. And they all ended up staying all night but thats up to you + the girl. Usually its for 1-2 hours. There are some dancers that come in just to dance that are incredible. The owner said some were avail but not most.
I also went to Cocodrillo and Newport both nightclub atmospheres. Cocodrillo is mostly locals. They have girls dancing on bars and the rest is setup like a club. I felt totally safe even though you will def stand out. There were some hot girls there but you have to be aggressive with them and approach them. Some will come to you but not most. I didnt find anyone I liked at either place.
Cafe Orleans is a cafe downtown that is horrible. No girls the 3 x I went that I would even think about.
There are a lot of cool restaurants to eat at with great food, there are some casinos, cool sights, its a big city thats spread out and there is no beach. There is enough to do that you won't get bored but for me I would not return.
There are some amazing, beautiful women there, but it was challenging to find the "good times" I didnt get the passion as much as Brazil and I just felt that there are so many other places like Colombia, Panama, Cuba etc that would be much more convenient and just a better overall time. For me it was better than Costa Rica+ Dominican Republic but not better than Rio or SEA.
AllIWantIsLove
10-18-09, 02:59
GREAT report Lgjg24!
Thanks!
Member #3320
10-18-09, 05:15
Great Report.
Thanks
I just came back from a week long trip to BA.
I have been to Rio 6x, Costa Rica 2x, DR, SEA, etc I was looking to check out a new place. I was deciding between Cuba, Panama, and BA. To be honest I was not a huge fan. For a destination that takes 16 hours total travel time from NY I would rather go to SEA. Also once you have been to Rio its really hard because the GFE and sex appeal of the girls there is amazing. Although Rio is not what it once was even 6 years ago its a lot harder to have a bad time there. The girls are passionate and they give you the fantasy. Let me state thati am not looking for as many girls as I can bang a day. I am more of a 1 girl / day kind of guy or sometimes if she is amazing try her again and usually have had some of my best experiences the 2nd time around. Some guys are not interested in this butim just giving you my point of view so you understand where I'm coming from.
Casas. Not really my cup of tea. Sort of reminds me of Tijuana. Dirty, nasty, etc. Its very mechanical, the girls are ok in some but overalli don't enjoy walking down busy, crazy streets ringing doorbells, and having sex in a nasty environment. Again some people love this shit but not me.
Esmeralda 517 1B was one casa that was ok, bit cleaner. They bring you to a room and about 15 girls were there each day. They come in 1 x 1 give you a kiss and say their name. Some were nasty, there was always a few cute ones. Isessioned there 3 x and each time it was just ok. Prices here are 150pesos 1/2 hour 200 hour 250 completa 1 hour.
I chose completa and each time the girl was complaining. It was just annoying. The 3 girls I chose were all pretty hot+ about 19. 2 were from Paraguay. But again nothing compared to a terma in rio where you can literally pound a girl through the wall and she will tell you to keep going.
The only other casa I thought was ok was Esmeralda 779/ PB4
Prices were the same as above. I went to about 10 casas in total. The other thing you have to watch out is some will try to give you a problem. After going to 1 on Esmeralda (I cannot remember the exact address) wanted to charge me 100 pesos after I said I didnt like anybody + wanted to leave. They locked the door and there were 3 girls harassing me for money. I am pretty big guy 6' 200 lbs etc but you never know what can happen in these smaller casas. Some have security guys in other rooms. I speak some spanish so I basically told them to fuck off, and after 5 minutes of arguing I left. Its just a buzz kill to have to deal with that. So for me this whole Casa thing was shit. Some guys like it because you can go to a place like Maipu 359 apt 74 and have completa for 120 pesos hour but again not my kind of experience. Thanks for sharing your excellent assessment of P4p situation in BA. Would have to agree with you on most things. Haven't been to Rio yet, so can't comment on relative merits of Rio scene. Isn't Rio getting rather expensive now?
Maybe you're being a bit harsh on privados. You're right, there are some depressing and dirty places. Even in 'high end' places you can get that assembly line feeling, especially if you go at peak times. You can also have some some nasty surprises like the place where they tried to get you to pay for not picking a girl. Has happened to me twice in the past and I reported the incidents on this board. I didn't pay up, but its the kind of experience that could put you right off privados. Can you remember the address of the place on Esmeralda? Would be useful so we can put it on the black list. Luckily, I think my experience of privados has been better than yours. With the help of this board and some research on my own, I have had some very pleasant surprises and some memorable encounters.
Lysander
Member #4112
10-18-09, 11:13
I am in Rio now on business and can confirm firsthand the prices have increase. Due to the Real's strength against the Dollar, in addition to that wonderful South American tradition of if business is bad raise the price. All the termas (Termas 4X4, Termas 65, Luomo, Monte Carlo, Aeroporto, Rio Antigo, Termas Solarium) have raised their prices to some degree from when I was here in May. The termas rated #1 in Rio, Centaurs, has now gone up to R$425 entry fee for their basic 40 minutes. You can do the math at 1.7/1 exchange rate. The clubs are a little better with more volatility in pricing.
I do agree Rio is not what it was 5 years ago. Barbara Elles which was called the "Temple of the 10's" is a bit depressing this trip in regard to the number of girls. Usually at 12:30 AM the place is packed, this trip it was about half full and the vibe was missing. There are some 9's & 10's, mostly dancers, but they want R$600 and now they believe looking great is enough and the puta is plated with oro! Please don't misread this to mean there are no great deals to be had in the early morning hours with some really wonderful women but plan on paying at least R$300.
Help Disco still has the best prices but the quality is way down and you have to put up with the grinding Techo music they play. If you want a woman with a score below "0" they are in Help. The percentage of "fuglies" to attractive looking women is way up. Some good ones are still there but you have weed through a lot of chaff to find them.
All in all BA is a great place. The bang for buck is much greater in BA than Rio. I have found the women in both places to be stellar, just be careful with your selection. You will always find the occasional hard core, mechanical, cold hearted pro who will fool you on occasion in both cities. If BA had the robe termas concept they have here in Rio it would be perfect from my perspective. One other plus for BA is it is much safer than Rio.
Doppelganger
What's SEA?South East Asia?
Regards,
BM
I do agree Rio is not what it was 5 years ago. Barbara Elles which was called the "Temple of the 10's" is a bit depressing this trip in regard to the number of girls.
DoppelgangerI was scratching my head how the hell did I miss that place "Barbara Elles" and know nothing about it although I am going to Rio since 1981.
Then I realized that you are talking about Barbarela. This place is on the decline for quite some time now.
I was scratching my head how the hell did I miss that place "Barbara Elles" and know nothing about it although I am going to Rio since 1981.
Then I realized that you are talking about Barbarela. This place is on the decline for quite some time now.Isn't that name the same as the 1968 Jane Fonda movie "Barbarella"?
Or is one "L" the correct spelling?
Jackson
Member #4112
10-19-09, 13:49
Went by last night to check the spelling - Jackson had it right "Barbarella" was the correct spelling on the sign, just like the old Jane Fonda movie. Think I will ask the manager if that is the source of the name. Come to think of it I thought I did see a weathered beaten up old girl that looked like Jane in there!
Isn't that name the same as the 1968 Jane Fonda movie "Barbarella"?
Or is one "L" the correct spelling?
JacksonYou are right. Correct spelling is with double "l"
Christopherd
10-20-09, 04:04
Hi guys,
I am passing thru Buenos Aires soon, not having been for a few years. Whilst I've have enjoyed some of the classy end in this most wonderful city, my preferred stomp tends to be casual lowlife.
I recall wandering around the area near the station to get laid inexpensively. (Meet a lady on the street there and pop in to her nearby business apartment so to speak.) Can anyone maybe offer me an update on this area or similar or point me to the appropriate thread please?
Many thanks.
Christopherd.
Ps any updates on tango in La Boca also appreciated - PM best so as not to clog up P4P info. Cheers.:)
Wild Walleye
10-20-09, 05:03
You are right. Correct spelling is with double "l"Bar-bar-rey-ja
There are some amazing, beautiful women there, but it was challenging to find the "good times" I didnt get the passion as much as Brazil and I just felt that there are so many other places like Colombia, Panama, Cuba etc that would be much more convenient and just a better overall time. For me it was better than Costa Rica+ Dominican Republic but not better than Rio or SEA.EXCELLENT synopsis of the BA scene and I agree completely.
My best experiences in BA have been with chicas I've met at the Ness, Hook, Cattos triangle and with a couple 'casa chicas' I've befriended and repeated with a bunch.
I agree completely that there are other countries where you will find the GFE much much much more readily available.
EXCELLENT synopsis of the BA scene and I agree completely.
My best experiences in BA have been with chicas I've met at the Ness, Hook, Cattos triangle and with a couple 'casa chicas' I've befriended and repeated with a bunch.
I agree completely that there are other countries where you will find the GFE much much much more readily available.I would agree with Ricker's assessment. The big difference between Argentina and the other destinations mentioned by him is that the commercial sex scene here is designed to meet the needs of the Argentine locals, not foreigners (thank God) and the locals are NOT interested in turning what they perceive as putas into girlfriends. As a result, the working girls here are focused in providing the agreed services, not on finding a boyfriend / getting married / moving to the USA / getting a Green Card, ect.
In addition, they're generally not desperate enough or stupid enough to get involved in some miniature romance or otherwise play make-believe girlfriend with a guy who is getting on a plane and going home in a few days.
Conversely, if you actually do live here, you'll have to be deliberately obtuse in your dealings with them in order to AVOID developing GFE relationships.
Over the years I've met a number of experienced Southeast Asia / Central America / The Philippines sport fuckers who are disappointed when visiting BA to find that their mere presence alone is not enough to draw the adulation of the average girl walking on the street or working in the shopping malls, the underlying reason being that the girls working here are not going to drop their boyfriend and become your instant girl friend on the slim hope that you will marry them and bring them back to the USA.
I like that.
Thanks,
Jackson
Hi guys,
I am passing thru Buenos Aires soon, not having been for a few years. Whilst I've have enjoyed some of the classy end in this most wonderful city, my preferred stomp tends to be casual lowlife.
I recall wandering around the area near the station to get laid inexpensively. (Meet a lady on the street there and pop in to her nearby business apartment so to speak. Can anyone maybe offer me an update on this area or similar or point me to the appropriate thread please?
Many thanks.
Christopherd.
Ps any updates on tango in La Boca also appreciated - PM best so as not to clog up P4P info. Cheers.:)Well, I don't know what it was like when you were last wandering around Constitution station, but things must have gone down hill fast since then. In recent times wouldn't recommend this even to lovers of low life street action. Better and safer to go to a low end privado.
If you want to see Tango danced in the street, you don't need to go as far La Boca. Every Sunday evening in Plaza Dorrego in San Telmo, and on Florida, the main walking street downtown most nights of the week (at corner of Lavalle) or in front of C & A)
I would agree with Ricker's assessment. The big difference between Argentina and the other destinations mentioned by him is that the commercial sex scene here is designed to meet the needs of the Argentine locals, not foreigners (thank God) and the locals are NOT interested in turning what they perceive as putas into girlfriends. As a result, the working girls here are focused in providing the agreed services, not on finding a boyfriend / getting married / moving to the USA / getting a Green Card, ect.
In addition, they're generally not desperate enough or stupid enough to get involved in some miniature romance or otherwise play make-believe girlfriend with a guy who is getting on a plane and going home in a few days.Jackson. You're absolutely right. Thankfully, even though tourist numbers have increased in the last few years, P4P in BA is mainly geared to local market (with the exception of a few over-priced Recoleta clubs) and not to foreigners. Understanding that simple fact, and using this board, is the key to making the most of what the city has to offer.
Lysander
. In addition, they're generally not desperate enough or stupid enough to get involved in some miniature romance or otherwise play make-believe girlfriend with a guy who is getting on a plane and going home in a few days.Well, except that some of these girls in Colombia or Brasil, for example, that are "stupid enough" to get involved in these minature romances are getting sent money by various 'novios' (boyfriends) every month ... OR ... are getting a shopping spree and good cash for a few days with their temporary boyfriends.
Though there are definitely some girls hoping for the true love and green card, most aren't really that stupid, but are actually quite wise.
I met several young ''ticos'' in Jaco Beach, CR, where green-assed gringos bought them HOUSES!Actually, that word would be "ticas".
"Ticos" are guys.
Unless, of course, you've been in Costa Rica hanging out with a lot of young homosexuals with American boyfriends that bought them houses.
Thanks,
Jackson
Christopherd
10-21-09, 14:07
Well, I don't know what it was like when you were last wandering around Constitution station, but things must have gone down hill fast since then. In recent times wouldn't recommend this even to lovers of low life street action. Better and safer to go to a low end privado.
If you want to see Tango danced in the street, you don't need to go as far La Boca. Every Sunday evening in Plaza Dorrego in San Telmo, and on Florida, the main walking street downtown most nights of the week (at corner of Lavalle) or in front of C & A)Many thanks, especially for the tango info. I've always been cautious approaching the station area but will take extra care if I go there. I'll rtff for low end privados (I'm fortunately coming from, and going to, countries where I can have a nice chica for about UK£12, so am more inclined to blow BsAs money on arts and shows than chicas. But one does have needs of course lol!
Its all fine and great that BA is catered to the locals but the point of me sharing my experiences is to bring information to others who are looking for other destinations and current info on a city and what the experience was like for visitors. Exactly what I am looking for when I search the boards. Then its up to each person to decide what kind of experience they want. GFE, Mechanical, cheap sex, dirty etc.
The bottom line about BA is that the services I received at casas were below standards imo on all 7 girls I was with. First as I reported I asked for completa on 3x and got nothing but complaints. The girls didn't really seem into it, and were just there waiting for me to finish. My comparison to Rio termas is sort of comparing apples to oranges but was more about explaining not just the act but the complete experience. Brazilian women are like nothing I have ever experienced. Yes it cost more but not everyone is looking for a $30 experience in a shitty environment. I was just hoping that in BA it would not be Brazil but a similar experience and it was definitely NOT. I did meet 2 hot, young cuties that saved my $3,000 trip and made me have some fun but I'm sure others on this board do not want to fly 12-16 hours to BA to have the type of experiences that I had when it seems Colombia, Cuba etc will offer an overall better complete experience.
In the end its all a fantasy, I'm not looking to get married, or have a girlfriend but I do expect to get a service and the illusion that goes with it. I have been around many countries in the last 7 years and for me BA rates at the bottom in all of my experiences. There may be 50 guys here that disagree. To each his own, its all about having fun not hard times.
If I wanted a cheap lay with a girl that's not into it I would get a street walker in the states.
Thanks to all the people who share current info and give un biased facts about each city. I look forward to maybe trying out Fortaleza if anyone has any good experiences there.
As a result, the working girls here are focused in providing the agreed services, not on finding a boyfriend / getting married / moving to the USA / getting a Green Card, ect.Jackson, I agree with you 100%. However, I would add that there are a lot of chicas who, in contrast to looking for an escape (e. G. Greencard) are looking for a provider for their offspring who plans to stay in Argentina. This is applicable to both pro and non-pro. Perhaps even more so for non-pro.
Member #3320
10-24-09, 01:23
Jackson, I agree with you 100%. However, I would add that there are a lot of chicas who, in contrast to looking for an escape (e. G. Greencard) are looking for a provider for their offspring who plans to stay in Argentina. This is applicable to both pro and non-pro. Perhaps even more so for non-pro.I have 100% similar views as Schmoj on this topic based on my personal experience.
Big Travel Guy
10-24-09, 01:48
[QUOTE=Lgjg24]I have been around many countries in the last 7 years and for me BA rates at the bottom in all of my experiences.
QUOTE]Hey, I actually really agree with a lot of what you wrote. Most of it, really. And I'm a guy who has also mongered in 8-10 countries or so around the world in recent years, so I get your perspective.
But, first of all, you've got to square the above quote with what you said in your original report:
"For me it was better than Costa Rica+ Dominican Republic but not better than Rio or SEA."
So BA is NOT at the bottom--just maybe near it.
I also think Jackson's comments are perfectly accurate here. Part of what makes BA work for many of us is the less "third world" context of it all, where the girls are professionals and the illusion, however desirable, of you being able to "take them away from all this" is at least in harness.
I love the sex scene in BA. That's why I'm here, reading and contributing. Most of us here appreciate the variety, availability, dependability, attractiveness, and professionalism of the numerous sex providers in this city. It's a GREAT destination for those of us who need these things. Is it the best in the world? NO, but it's got a LOT to recommend it!
I also realize the power of Brazil: the closest I've ever come to falling hopelessly in love with a working girl was in that country--and it happened for all the reasons you describe. I am in SEA all the time, and the benefits of that scene are immeasurable. There are cool experiences in Europe, Central America, and more. Ever had sex with a native Maori in New Zealand?
Anyway, thanks again for the great and objective report that you filed, Lgjg, I hope you'll check in with us again.
And enjoy the life, wherever you go next!
BTG
Christopherd
11-11-09, 14:04
My comparison to Rio termas is sort of comparing apples to oranges but was more about explaining not just the act but the complete experience. Brazilian women are like nothing I have ever experienced. Yes it cost more but not everyone is looking for a $30 experience in a shitty environment. I was just hoping that in BA it would not be Brazil but a similar experience and it was definitely NOT. As a fan of both cities, I have to agree there is no comparison. But the varied Rio terma experience goes from top end - 2 or 3 hundred dollars a time - down to about 15 dollars a time. And the experience both ends differs from Rio to BA. It's hard to imagine how very different these countries (and their attitudes) are without sampling a lot. For anyone who likes both extremes, the Rio system is maybe easier to navigate. The wealth of info in this BA board, for instance, is predominantly about the (relatively) high end venues.
I'll only be in BA for a couple of days this time between flights. I'm mostly interested in tango (BA is one of the best places in the world for culture IMHO) I like to think sexual services are on tap should the need arise. I don't go somewhere primarily or only for those things.
First I'd like to say It was a very well thought report, and it is quite clear that this report was made from the point of view of someone that enjoy GFE and that makes the report so much more useful. I enjoyed it.
I'll be visiting BA this year and this is one of the most well organized and well written reports of the overall experience. However, I do consider the Argentinian woman to be beautiful and fit (some at least) and I'm gonna go try anyways as the adventure is nothing without the risk of it going wrong or incredibly well.
Something I'd like to add: Backdoor sex seems so much more accepted in BA's whoring circles, and for someone that's into it, IT becomes a MAJOR reason to try BA. Some have call it the Anal capital of the world, since it is widely practiced.
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