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Mwalken
03-23-10, 18:23
Hey guys,

I arrived in BA for the first time on Friday. I'm 26 and only a dabbler in the P4P scene. I spent the weekend checking out regular bars, but wasn't too thrilled with what I saw. Too many bars were either lounges where everybody sat around talking to friends or hardcore dance clubs, not enough in between like in america. Plus not enough of a gringo-boost like in some places. So off to greener pastures I went last night.

First stop was Hook's for the supposedly younger chicas. Was around 12:00, I peeked in and saw about 15 girls sitting around bored and no dudes at all. Seemed kinda depressing, I asked the guy at the door where the guys were and he said in the bathroom. All of them? I told the guy I'd be back later and quickly moved on.

Next stop was Newport. I was looking for something a little more relaxed with less pressure to start. I stepped into quite the freak show. Most of the girls looked like mechanical michael jacksons. Some pretty horrific stuff but it was early so I grabbed a seat outside to see who entered. A few not so good looking chicks wandered in, and a lot of dudes wandered by before quickly bailing. I actually saw one guy walk in and out in three seconds and dry heave as he stumbled off. It was pretty amusing to see all the regular uninformed folks try to sit down outside or wander in. The waitress would calmly drop off menus and they invariably would split when they saw the prices. Eventually some freak named Lorena came out to my table. She was a very close talker and seemed kinda intoxicated. At one point she put both her hands around my neck and jokingly strangled me. Very strange uncomfortable attempt at flirting. I told her I had to go to the bathroom and she almost fell off her chair trying to restrain me to buy her a drink. Fortunately she fell upon some old dudes sitting near by and I was able to escape. The guys here actually seemed pretty reasonable and sophisticated. I did see a few of them leave with some really ugly hookers, but not many. I saw at least 10 guys with sweaters tied around their necks.

After that freakshow, I decided I needed something a little more upscale so I bailed on Hook's and at 1:30 I entered Madahos. First impression was a few ok looking girls and a whole ton of aggressive uglies. The manly creatures dancing on stage were particularly offensive. Reminded me of a bad Reno strip club. I did see one cute girl, but she was talking to an older gentleman. Eventually he wandered off and I made my move. Girl was cute and fun to talk to but seemed really nervous and aloof. I asked her a few times if she was with the old dude, but she said she was available. I started to get the feeling you get when you are trying to hit on a girl who is not at all interested in you. After a brief lull in the conversation, she got up without saying anything and walked back over to the old dude. Ouch, rejected by a hooker. So I was pretty bummed at the point, and a few vultures moved in to take advantage of my weakened state. One rather boring girl was trying to rub my forearm rapidly to pique my interest (very strange) It seems that looking away and being nonresponsive does not get rid of these girls. I guess I just gotta say I don't like you or walk away. Another manly one walked up and scratched my lips with one of her nails (again, very strange) I had seen enough so I bailed.

It was like 3:30 but I wasn't tired. So I decided to check out Crocodilo. I survived the 20 second cab drive going 80 MPH and the guy let me look upstairs before paying the 100 peso cover. Not much going on, but I figured I was there so what the heck? I was hoping for the appearance of a more normal bar scene, but no such luck. 3 girls dancing on the bar, all looked like men. I don't think I've ever seen this many girls with man-faces in one night in my life. There were about 20 girls there, mostly transplants from other countries. A lot of guys sitting in the back decked out like they had bottle service at a top club, very strange. Also quite a few couples there for some reason and some old white dude taking pictures. Only saw a few girls dancing with one drunk guy and a few gay guys. A few 5's entered but were quickly grabbed by all the dudes in the back. Mostly uggos however. Eventually, some dude about 40 comes up to me and starts talking to me in broken English. I can't follow so I tell him to switch to spanish but he doesn't speak that either. I gathered he's on vacation with his wife from brazil (she's not a working girl) They are interested in a threesome. I guess they spent the whole night looking for another girl but couldn't find anything (I can commiserate) So now they want me instead. The wife isn't even in view, but I manage to get a look. She's not particularly attractive (looks 40) although at least she looks like a real person unlike most girls I saw last night. I tell him I'm not interested, and he starts to plead with me ("but she's on vacation.") Where the fuck am I? I apologize but say no thanks. Guy takes it well (nice guy actually) Incidently, this is the second time in as many weeks I have been approached for a 3some with a married couple in south america. Both times the guy approached while the girl was not even in view, there has to be a better way.

I was getting ready to leave when an ok-looking girl approached me. She was maybe a 5, but at least she didn't have a hardened hooker look (stringy body, man face, etc) Looked a little like the pornstar Stacy Carpenter, but less attractive. She seemed nice enough, although not particularly affectionate. It was like 5 now, and I was down with leaving with her, although at no point was I particularly aroused. She offered 300 for an hour. I was pretty tired, so hoping for TLN since I would get way more out of morning action at that point. She didn't seem to understand, or at least pretended not to. I kept asking but eventually gave up and offered 200 for an hour. She agreed but said I had to pay another 80 to some dude at the place. I thought it was supposed to be independent (maybe it's changed? I didn't see the point since we were both leaving anyways so I got her number and told her I'd text her. I left and again repeated my offer of 300 for TLN via text. She responded "si, 300 para una hora." I'm getting a little annoyed at this point, so I ask her why she won't spend more time with me. She offers 2 hours for 450. I give up and wish her goodnight. She quickly offers an hour the next night (tonight) for 200. I learn she has a kid she takes care of during the day which explains why TLN is off the table. I texted back and forth with her a little and she seems sincere enough so I may take her up on it. Mostly just bored and curious though, not really all that excited about it.

Overall spent about $80 on entrance fees, drinks, and cabs. Actually a really entertaining night although mostly just for the people watching and comedy value. I have a hard time seeing myself doing this very often (or actually getting laid when I do) This place is a far cry from my favorite mongering spots like Thailand and Cuba where I can just walk into a totally normal bar with totally normal looking girls, and any of them is thrilled to be my girlfriend for 24 hours for like 30 bucks. Not to mention where I can easily afford to buy myself and the girls bottles of liquor -- here it just seems like everybody sits around not drinking and looking angry. To each his own, however.

BadMan
03-23-10, 20:19
I've had similar experiences although I find the ratio to be a little better at Madahos (on select nights) for my taste.

LMAO @ A Brazilian couple trying to pick you up. Hahaha. Classic shit.

BM.

TejanoLibre
03-23-10, 21:16
Hey guys,

This place is a far cry from my favorite mongering spots like Thailand and Cuba where I can just walk into a totally normal bar with totally normal looking girls, and any of them is thrilled to be my girlfriend for 24 hours for like 30 bucks. Not to mention where I can easily afford to buy myself and the girls bottles of liquor -- here it just seems like everybody sits around not drinking and looking angry. To each his own, however.This is NOT a 3rd. World country like the 2 that you mentioined although it may seem like it at times.

If you stay out of the tourist traps you can lower your cost and raise your kill ratio.

Better luck next time.

TL

Mwalken
03-23-10, 21:54
This is NOT a 3rd. World country like the 2 that you mentioined although it may seem like it at times.True although I think it also perhaps has something to do with the fact that there are a bunch of tall white dudes around here.


If you stay out of the tourist traps you can lower your cost and raise your kill ratio.I suspect this is the way to go. We ended up in some relatively ghetto bar in San Telmo on Saturday, and these two girls pushed me into a chair and started dancing on top of me. The one girl was absolutely thrilled when I bought her a $3 drink. Don't think it would've been too hard to pick up girls in a place like that. Everybody there was kinda marginal however.

Eurotrashy27
03-23-10, 22:42
True although I think it also perhaps has something to do with the fact that there are a bunch of tall white dudes around here.

I suspect this is the way to go. We ended up in some relatively ghetto bar in San Telmo on Saturday, and these two girls pushed me into a chair and started dancing on top of me. The one girl was absolutely thrilled when I bought her a $3 drink. Don't think it would've been too hard to pick up girls in a place like that. Everybody there was kinda marginal however.From your posts, your attitude sucks.

I'm mid-20's, I kill in the US, and I'm having the time of my life in BA.

You either got it or you don't.

It's not as dreary as you're making it out to be; you just have to know where to go.

Suerte. Seriously, from one dude to another.

Gato Hunter
03-24-10, 00:32
Crocodrilo is 100p cover now?

Must be the Bill Clinton effect.

Seriously though. Argentina is about a 7 on the mongering scale. If there was good pot there it would be an 8.5.

I keep coming back cause I'm tired of Asians, and I don't speak much russian! Its also not a 3rd world shithole, more like a 2nd world place to party your ass off.

You must have seen the dancer at madahos that used to be a man BTW.

Wild Walleye
03-24-10, 14:00
You should read the threads regarding dating civilians / nonpros.

The term "Third World" is a little outdated. While I am not a big fan of political correctness, however in today's lexicon, the terminology is 'developing economy.' Some are more developed than others. That said, neither term differentiates the cultural differences between one place and another, especially when it comes to poon. Comparing Argentina, Thailand and Cuba on an apples-to-apples basis is like a restaurant having filet mignon, wok charred beef cubes and Salisbury steak all on the menu at the same price.

Your comment about tall white dudes actually is on the right path (not the sentiment but it is an observation of the cultural pull in Argentina)

The short version is that Argies consider themselves more European (cultural origins) than they do South American (geographic location) The dating culture here is more akin to Italy than it is to severely underdeveloped countries, where certain features may make you stand out and any girl would want you. In some places, Joe Monger looks like Brad Pitt even with nonpros. In some places being different is enough, American or European or white or blond or (surprisingly) hairy, to get you all the attention you want. In most, wealth (what they consider to be wealth) does the trick. However, while a Thai princess may dream of being swept away by a wealthy American to a land of stainless steel dishwashers, a Portena chica (while not immune to material desires) doesn't see it the same way.

Argento
03-24-10, 14:18
You should read the threads regarding dating civilians / nonpros.

The term "Third World" is a little outdated. While I am not a big fan of political correctness, however in today's lexicon, the terminology is 'developing economy.' Some are more developed than others. That said, neither term differentiates the cultural differences between one place and another, especially when it comes to poon. Comparing Argentina, Thailand and Cuba on an apples-to-apples basis is like a restaurant having filet mignon, wok charred beef cubes and Salisbury steak all on the menu at the same price.

Your comment about tall white dudes actually is on the right path (not the sentiment but it is an observation of the cultural pull in Argentina)

The short version is that Argies consider themselves more European (cultural origins) than they do South American (geographic location) The dating culture here is more akin to Italy than it is to severely underdeveloped countries, where certain features may make you stand out and any girl would want you. In some places, Joe Monger looks like Brad Pitt even with nonpros. In some places being different is enough, American or European or white or blond or (surprisingly) hairy, to get you all the attention you want. In most, wealth (what they consider to be wealth) does the trick. However, while a Thai princess may dream of being swept away by a wealthy American to a land of stainless steel dishwashers, a Portena chica (while not immune to material desires) doesn't see it the same way.Absolutely great post. Picks up all the right points about the why of Argentinian women. Of course one corollary to your post is the reason Paraguayas are such attentive chicas. Whoring to Argentinos and extranjeros is a step up in status for a Paraguaya while to a Portena, extranjeros, (apart from Spaniards and Italians) are a step down the social scale. Yanquis don't quite cut the mustard. A latino has more status socially than an anglo saxon. They f uck us for the dough.

Argento

El Perro
03-24-10, 14:39
A latino has more status socially than an anglo saxon.

ArgentoA truth not often acknowledged, accepted or understood by the tall white fellers from yonder.

Mwalken
03-24-10, 21:10
You must have seen the dancer at madahos that used to be a man BTW.There's no way only one of those girls used to be a man. I would guess at least 5. As I understand it, it may be hard to tell even if you do the guy / girl if he had full reconstructive surgery and it was done well. One bar girl in thailand told me one of the most popular girls at the bar was a former dude and she left with guys more nights than not, and none of them ever found out. I had played some connect 4 with the dude, but never even though about it. I never realized how good they have gotten at those operations.

Still can't fix a man-face, however.

Wild Walleye
03-25-10, 01:48
There's no way only one of those girls used to be a man. I would guess at least 5. As I understand it, it may be hard to tell even if you do the guy / girl if he had full reconstructive surgery and it was done well. One bar girl in thailand told me one of the most popular girls at the bar was a former dude and she left with guys more nights than not, and none of them ever found out. I had played some connect 4 with the dude, but never even though about it. I never realized how good they have gotten at those operations. Still can't fix a man-face, however.However, I find it hard to believe that a trained eye (such as the ones most of us have here) couldn't tell the difference between a man-made pussy and one that God put together. Of course, one might need a flash light and be comfortable inspecting one's date.

Tessan
03-25-10, 13:44
I don't know what a man made pussy looks like, so I did a quick search on the internet to see, and found this pic. By a doctor who does the surgery. The link is http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TS/SRS.html

Looks close to the real thing, not sure if people would notice in a dark room or even a lit room.

One thing I do know, it does not self lubricate. So one sign will be that she / he keeps putting on more lube.

Rioman
03-25-10, 18:57
I have licked, I mean looked at lots of pussy like this.

Think I will rely on the adam's apple test

Tessan
03-25-10, 19:19
I have licked, I mean looked at lots of pussy like this. Think I will rely on the adam's apple testAdam's apple test does not always work. Some of these he / she have there adam's apple reduced to the size of a females adam's apple. Woman do have them, they are just smaller. The procedure is called Chondrolaryngoplasty (commonly called tracheal shave)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tracheal_shave

Wild Walleye
03-25-10, 19:35
Adam's apple test does not always work. Some of these he / she have there adam's apple reduced to the size of a females adam's apple. Woman do have them, they are just smaller. The procedure is called Chondrolaryngoplasty (commonly called tracheal shave)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tracheal_shaveJust when you thought it couldn't get much worse--after seeing the end result of spectacular surgical handiwork performing a chop-a-dick-off-of-me procedure. And then being led to contemplate shaving mass off of one's adam's apple--I'll just leave you with one thought, Tessan pointed a potential red flag (continual application of lube) might I also suggest looking in your date's purse for a small bottle of clam juice (I've read that is a post-op trick for getting the real essence.

Tessan
03-25-10, 20:02
Just when you thought it couldn't get much worse--after seeing the end result of spectacular surgical handiwork performing a chop-a-dick-off-of-me procedure. And then being led to contemplate shaving mass off of one's adam's apple--I'll just leave you with one thought, Tessan pointed a potential red flag (continual application of lube) might I also suggest looking in your date's purse for a small bottle of clam juice (I've read that is a post-op trick for getting the real essence.If you go down on he / she it should not taste right, it has no natural lubrication. Clam juice should not be able to fool you. Plus once you removed the juice, there is no way off adding more flavor, since there is no natural lube. My guess is most of these he / she will not want you going down on them.

Wild Walleye
03-25-10, 20:15
If you go down on he / she it should not taste right, it has no natural lubrication. Clam juice should not be able to fool you. Plus once you removed the juice, there is no way off adding more flavor, since there is no natural lube. My guess is most of these he / she will not want you going down on them.If this is a route one wants to travel, might I suggest pocketing the little salt and pepper shakers they give you on the airplane?

I would have to guess that the probability of meeting a post-op that is so passable that one of us can't detect it is pretty low, but not zero.

If long-time monger is legitimately fooled on all of the other fronts (adams apple, man hands, voice, MM-vagina, five o'clock shadow (all over) lube, clam juice, etc) either that person really should have been born a woman or the monger was over served.

TejanoLibre
03-25-10, 20:30
There's no way only one of those girls used to be a man. I would guess at least 5. As I understand it, it may be hard to tell even if you do the guy / girl if he had full reconstructive surgery and it was done well. One bar girl in thailand told me one of the most popular girls at the bar was a former dude and she left with guys more nights than not, and none of them ever found out. I had played some connect 4 with the dude, but never even though about it. I never realized how good they have gotten at those operations.

Still can't fix a man-face, however.Although TL can spot a ¨Conversion Van¨ (Even while completely wasted, Love Dropped Out and Blind) from a hundred meters away there is a friend of ¨Ours¨on this board that was completely fooled one evening.

The proof was in the D. N. I.

Upon further review under the section that designates gender the box was checked off as ¨M.¨

MASCULINO!

Holy Shit Batman!

The guy is a professional monger too!

Seems the concierge at his hotel had the last laugh!

Be Alert!

TL

Gato Hunter
03-25-10, 21:57
I have a doctor friend that likes Thailand. He tells me that the adams apple is no longer a sure thing. They can fix it but its truly painful.

The only true way besides dropping the pants is the length of the legs.

On a man if you bend your leg at the knee until the heel is hitting your ass cheek your heel will touch where the ball on the femur connects to the hip.

On a natural woman the calf is shorter and the heel won't touch the ass in the same spot.

Granted you can't have people doing this in a bar, but you can notice the length of the calf. Once you do this a few times its easy.

I will agree with the "turd in the punchbowl". In Argentina I have never even been close to being fooled. In Thailand I almost took a dude home but my friend saved me.

Sukebei
03-25-10, 22:27
I once went into a travel agency in Chiang Mai and sat down in front of what I thought was an attractive lady. And then HE opened his mouth and started talking and it was obviously a man. Seeing my expression of surprise, he had a chuckle at my expense. They love to fool you.

Do they have surgery to alter the voice?

I agree with the previous poster that it would be hard to be fooled here. Asians are more feminine: smaller boned, less body hair, etc.

Tessan
03-26-10, 00:49
About 2 days ago, there was a show on Discovery Health about changing form man to woman, and woman to man. They said over time, the high dosage of estrogen will cause the male voice to soften, and high dosage of testosterone will cause a woman's voice to deepen. The woman even grows face hair like a man, and the man taking estrogen will grow some tits, but usually they make them bigger with implants.

The dosage of estrogen they take is about 20x the amount a natural woman produces naturally.