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Greetings everyone,
I was motivated to start this thread by some recent inquiries I had received on the subject of all-nighters with BA working girls.
Many first-time visitors to BA, often FOB from sport-fucking experiences in the Caribbean, Central America and The Philippines, where most girls aspire to be your instant girlfriend, are not always aware of the differences in the more sophisticated commercial sex scene here in Argentina.
One primary misconception of these first-time visitors is their assumption that the girls here expect / desire to spend the night with them as some sort of a "girlfriend".
Let me resolve this confusion:
All-nighters are not a common practice in BA.
First: The sex industry in Argentina is here to serve the needs of Argentine men, not foreigners. Argentine men need to go out, get laid quickly, and then get back home to their girlfriends, wives, family, etc. They're not interested in long liaisons, or bringing the chica back to their apartments, etc.
Second, the vast majority of all working girls have a completely busy life outside of work, and it's difficult for them to just disappear for 12 hours.
Third: Working girls in Argentina are generally not looking for boyfriends, husbands, or a green card. And even if they were, they're not going to allow themselves to be emotionally swayed by the amorous overtures of a tourist who's leaving town in a few days.
Fourth: A surprisingly large percentage of working girls in Argentina are married or have regular boyfriends, and they're just not interested in playing girlfriend.
Fifth: Why do you want to spend the night with an unknown chica who might rip you off while you sleep?
Sixth: If you hit it off, they will stay. If you don't hit it off, why would you want them to stay?
Thanks,
Jackson
Fifth: Why do you want to spend the night with an unknown chica who might rip you off while you sleep?This topic has been extensively dealt with on the Brazil forum on ISG. You simply chica-proof your room / apartment by locking up everything valuable before she arrives, either in a safe or in your suitcase. And never drink anything that she has prepared for you.
Anyway, thanks for the heads up. I am relatively inexperienced in Argentina, so I'll file this information away for my next visit and modify my expectations accordingly.
Excellent post Jackson. While it is a subject that has been referred to there has not been, at least recently, any real discussion. I do appreciate your insight and succinct commentary. The fact that the working girls have a family, husbands and boyfriends is unusual for most Americans to comprehend. It is refreshing to be reminded.
Jackson and I frequently have different tastes and styles ie we are generally attracted to different girls. There are girls who are really my freinds--I have been a client for many years. I bring presents. We enjoy having a meal together.
The Todo el noche in BA for me means a 6 or 7 hour stay--sex and maybe a nap, BUT they have kids or other committment and are gone by 5 or 6 am.
There was one who would stay to 7am even after once she spent a few days with me when she lost her apartment / hotel. That one stay was an emergency--she had no where to stay and could leave her stuff with me when she did her Las Lopez gig. With none of these girls was there at root any illussion that I was not and would always be a john--although I would, at times, have fantacies of something else.
Local girls are very sensual and generally good lovers, BUT.
Different culture and different rules. I love Buenos Aires mongering and prefer it to everything else that I have experienced. The mix of Paraguayas or Brazileras living in BA in also a wonderful twist on a theme.
Wild Walleye
05-21-10, 12:47
It does seem that they turn into pumpkins around 5-6am (bus ride home, sleep and get up and do the family thing) Even the chicas that I know 'well' seem to be the same way.
When I first came to Bs As, I naively figured that chicas would generally be fawning over polite, well-groomed, generous foreigners and would want TDN with someone like me (nice hotel, nice guy, not horribly disfigured, decent hygiene) - not that I would have ever offered it (too security conscious and lacking in language skills) Since I am usually traveling for business, I have been fortunate to stay at most of the nicer hotels in Recoleta (although I prefer two local boutique hotels as opposed to the big names and I think I will do apts exclusively in the future) I have entertained at all of them and while the chicas can't help but be impressed (with the hotel, not me) they have no "Pretty Woman" illusions of settling in.
Since that time, I have only suggest TDN a couple of times to chicas that I know and while we have fun until 5-6am (often with several hours off the clock) they don't waver on hitting the road.
From my perspective that is just fine.
Gato Hunter
05-21-10, 13:11
Most of my TLN's are chica's that I have known for a few years. The majority of these are set up ahead of time for dinner, or we go out to a late night club. I never ask for the TLN but the chica just hangs out with me and fucks my brains out. Sleeps for a few hours wakes me up for a send off around noon. By then I am ready for some space.
I would never TLN with a chica on the first time. I can't fall asleep with the unknown by my side.
I have had a few girls stay until 9am or until the trains to the provincia started running again.
I have noticed that Paraguayans leave the kids at home with relatives. Single girls with no kids greatly improve your chances.
I have a chica that wants to stay at my apartment for a few days this trip. Good thing is I will get laid lots. Bad thing is she snores, and destroys the bathroom.
Most of my TLN's are chica's that I have known for a few years. The majority of these are set up ahead of time for dinner, or we go out to a late night club. I never ask for the TLN but the chica just hangs out with me and fucks my brains out. Sleeps for a few hours wakes me up for a send off around noon. By then I am ready for some space.
I would never TLN with a chica on the first time. I can't fall asleep with the unknown by my side.
I have had a few girls stay until 9am or until the trains to the provincia started running again.
I have noticed that Paraguayans leave the kids at home with relatives. Single girls with no kids greatly improve your chances.
I have a chica that wants to stay at my apartment for a few days this trip. Good thing is I will get laid lots. Bad thing is she snores, and destroys the bathroom.I'm in total agreement with Gato Hunter above.
I don't sleep well with strange Chica's and don't trust them.
Exon
Dear All,
Was probably my mail to Jackson that was being mentioned as the starting (or one of the starting) point / s of this thread. Being a New Yorker accustomed to cold, businesslike relations, I have this deep, underlying need (I guess that is it) for a Quasi Business / Personal relationships, regardless of the duration of the same. An hour (or two) of company appears to me to be rather cold, distant and mechanical. This is of course my view of the prism. Would really like to spend quality time with 1 or 2 ladies over a week (Sort of Fuck Buddy variety) rather than hunting down (with a fair chance at a hit and miss) on a daily basis. Guess that is not something that works in BA. Let me know if it does (hidden nuggets, as you chaps call it, in this sense)
Still, thanks to you Jackson for bringing a bit of reality to my ruminations of paradise. Hope you guys get the gist of my thinking. Thanks to all for contributing and sharing.
Best,
Ken.
Greetings everyone,
I was motivated to start this thread by some recent inquiries I had received on the subject of all-nighters with BA working girls.
Many first-time visitors to BA, often FOB from sport-fucking experiences in the Caribbean, Central America and The Philippines, where most girls aspire to be your instant girlfriend, are not always aware of the differences in the more sophisticated commercial sex scene here in Argentina.
One primary misconception of these first-time visitors is their assumption that the girls here expect / desire to spend the night with them as some sort of a "girlfriend".
Let me resolve this confusion:
All-nighters are not a common practice in BA.
First: The sex industry in Argentina is here to serve the needs of Argentine men, not foreigners, and Argentine men need to go out, get laid quickly, and then get back home to their girlfriends, wives, family, etc. They're not interested in long liaisons, or bringing the chica back to their apartments, etc.
Second, the vast majority of all working girls have a completely busy life outside of work, and it's difficult for them to just disappear for 12 hours.
Third: Working girls in Argentina are generally not looking for boyfriends, husbands, or a green card. And even if they were, they're not going to allow themselves to be emotionally swayed by any amorous overtures from a tourist who's leaving town in a few days.
Fourth: A surprisingly large percentage of working girls in Argentina are married, and thus they need to get home to their real boyfriend or husband, and they're just not interested in playing girlfriend.
Fifth: Why do you want to spend the night with an unknown chica who might rip you off while you sleep?
Sixth: If you hit it off, they will stay. If you don't hit it off, why would you want them to stay?
Thanks,
Jackson
To have a reason bonding, you have to find a woman with whom there is some sort of mutual chemistry--as Jackson suggested. They are out there, but it is trial and error and you will be wrong as often as you are right. If things are going particularly well, bring up extensions of time or just go with the flow. Some girls--without other things to do--will not watch the clock while having a good time. This may be more likely to happen the second or third date as you are more comfortable together.
Ken: Jackson and Miami Bob and many others on this site know the subtleties of Argentine night life better than I do. However, from my perspective, I have for the most part encountered the most charming, kind, sexual and tender women in BsAs. I do not speak Spanish but that has not detoured me from having a romantic as well as fantastic sexual experiences.
If you are a gentlemen, kind, tender, and thoughtful you will for the most part receive the same treatment in return. I have not had good takeout experiences from Black's but I have from Madahos and Hippo. In 2005 I had fabulous takeouts from Shampoo and L'Affaire. The young woman from L'Affaire on a subsequent trip provided me with an extraordinary double for my birthday.
Miami Bob is absolutely correct about chemistry. Generally, I prefer takeouts to my apartment from privados. I have been disappointed only three times and they were all from Black's and they were gladly paid to leave after mediocre service. A friend of mine had good luck from Newport and continues to communicate with the Penelope Cruz look-a-like, but he spoke Spanish and she was a TN. When he returned home to his Dallas Cowboy Cheerleader type, he was disappointed. Dallas is now out of the picture and he is on his way back to BsAs to visit.
After my first trip to BsAs in 2005, I realized what I had been missing for years, women who really like sex and men and are sweet, kind and tender as well as sexual. Once you have experience the women of BsAs you will never be the same. You will compare every American woman with what you have experienced in BsAs and you will be disappointed. Ask Gov. Sanford.
Yes, you are paying for sex, but remember every time you date an American woman you are paying for sex as well and most of the time it is emotionally disappointing. Mostly all show and no talent. Unless, you are the marrying type.
For a newbie to BsAs the in house services at Gysell's is probably the best place to start. The ladies are very nice and some are extraordinary. Petite Pamela is a little doll and will rock your socks off. I do not believe that I have read a truly negative post about Gysell's.
To bad Sweet Mariana is simi-retired and not presently in BsAs. She would turn you every which way but loose and exhaust your male organ and laugh with you and put a big smile on your face. You would never forget the experience.
And, for a more sophisticated experience if you speak a little Spanish, arrange for a date with or a visit to Alejandra's apartment. Alejandra is an elegant and beautiful woman, a real woman, who you could take to any social event and be proud to be with her. I have dined with Ale at some of the best restaurants in BsAs and she comes beautifully dressed whether in jeans for lunch or leather skirt or pants for dinner. She is sensual and very sexual. You would not be disappointed.
As you explore the beauties of BsAs keep an open mind. I have rarely been wrong in my choice of ladies even when I choose based on looks and first impressions, which is most of the time because of the language difficulties on my part. But a good dictionary and a mini computer at your abode with an internet connection is a lifesaver for takeout.
On a personal note, I rarely date American women any more. I would rather wait and return to BsAs and get what I want with out all the bullshit.
Good luck and happy mongering.
Meb
I think the odds for TLN and longer term (LT) improve when the chica is in town temporarily from another country. They are focused to make a certain amount in a certain time and then leave. They often won't have family and other obligations distracting them, and will be less concerned about being 'seen' if you're out and about together. These chicas should be more open to longer deals if the price is right. In general, given a choice between a local and a foreign chica I more often pick the latter.
Also many of the chicas on www.escortsbaires.com.ar I believe are open to TLN / LT again for the right price. They used to list the price for half-day and full-day, but most don't appear to publish pricing these days. But they still indicate if they can travel ("PUEDO VIAJAR?") and those chicas, especially if they list foreign visas, should definately have the business mindset for TLN / LT arrangements.
Face it, a lot of clients treat hookers like shit. If you treat one like a lady, are reasonably stylish and decent looking, chances are good that one that you have "chemistry" with will fall all over themselves for you. You can use this to play them like a guitar, go on "dates" instead of just one hour sex sessions. Freebies and etc will flow like the Amazon. I've done it plenty of times.
Just guard your valuables and be careful they aren't able to dose you with GHB or something like that - read the Irina ripoff story for a tasting of how you can be set up in a situation like this.
Dear All (Esp. Miami Bob, MBRonzini, Esteb and Hunt99)
All these comments add a lot of perspective to my thought process. I have certainly paid a ton of money in getting to knowing and finding a/many person(s) as being money digger(s) and pure opportunist(s) . Perhaps this is a result of my location (New York) or my absolute (and deliberate) lack of ass-licking / flattering skills.
In any case, I most certainly prefer a clear, unambiguous relation (perhaps only defined by USD) than one riddled with many mines (as in land mlnes) Still, the mind being what it is, one aspires for a solution to all issues in one fell swoop (as it were)
I know my taste / preference is somewhat above that what one can reasonably expect (Looks, Attitude, Personality and Compatibility) I am still hopeful though.
The last one (Compatibility) is a tough one to determine, and appears to be a sort of long term thing (Trust me, even in business, where I deal with a person for a few days, this is quite revelent)
All this can be quite irrelevent in an envioronment of pure cash / service thing.
All this ranting is on account of my hope that many forum members have a hang of / and clues to this fairly simple question I have. Can I get a proper relationship (sans strings) in BA where I can get what I need (and give what the other person(s)) need(s) without any hassle. I simply do not have time to spare, hence need to structure this to a T.
Finally, as pompous and uptight as I might appear to all of you from the contents of this note (I assure you I am not, just my British prose) the entire purpose of this note is to glean any knowledge and advice from you all, which I will appreciate a lot. I promise to hit a detailed note back as / when I get a taste of Ground Zero in BA.
Thanks to All,
Ken
Gato Hunter
05-24-10, 11:31
Ken,
You may not find the TLN your looking for the first time. I have been coming to BA for almost 5 years now and I have three girls in BA that I would trust and get along with enough to let them stay over night. I am picky also.
This does not mean that you won't find a chica your first time here at all. BA is like that box of chocolates Forrest Gump was talking about. You never know what you will find one day to the next. I throw away almost all of my phone numbers from every trip and start over from scratch.
I would advise against telling a chica that your looking for a TLN right off the bat. I would start off by finding out if she has kids. If she does is someone else watching them, or are they stayin with relatives in another place? If she has to leave work and watch to get her kid your chances of a TLN lower dramatically.
If she is renting a flop house apartment with 2 other working chicas and no kids, then your cooking with fire.
Say that you find a chica you're in to. Ask her out to dinner and a club. Some of these girls have never been anywhere nice. I took one girl out to breakfast at La Beila and she did not know what to do. If she won't go out to dinner with you then she won't like banging you all night.
When it comes down to the money part of it chicas in BA will try to ask for the hourly rate times the number of hours they are with you. Don't pay that. If a chica is going to be in my apartment for 12 hours I will pay her for two hours. Your mileage may vary on this one depending on how much the chica is in to you.
For instance last thanksgiving I took a chica I know well from Madahos out for the night. She got to my place at 5 pm and blew me. Went to dinner (at Jacksons) with me, went back to my place had sex twice. Then we went out dancing, came back and had sex three more times. She left at noon the next day. I paid 900p. Sperm management was needed the next few days.
Remember, be the boss.
Hi Gato Hunter,
Thanks for the advice. This brings me to perhaps a very critical question. In finding out all the info about Kids, renting with other girls and all that, how imp is it to speak Spanish. Mine is zero.
In the alternative, how do I know if a particular lady speaks English? I mean a lot of them say (advertise) they do, but how does one confirm. Just call and find out?
Thanks again,
Ken
Gato Hunter
05-24-10, 22:28
Speaking spanish helps out more than you can imagine. My spanish is fairly shitty. But I can understand and read a lot more than I can speak. I wish I had the time back home to study up.
Try to learn the numbers before you go at least.
Some girls speak english, some girls speak english and apply the gringo tax.
After all this discussion maybe it might help you out to call Roxanna and see if she knows a chica that fits what your looking for.
Wild Walleye
05-25-10, 02:41
I have managed on very, very limited Spanglish. That said, I am pretty good at figuring things out and getting what I want.
I would suggest looking into spending some time with fabulous, english speaking women (I don't think they fall into the 'chica' category) While I have not (yet) visited with them all, I know first hand and reliable second hand that Bella, Capitu, Lucianna Love, Ale and modelo VIP are 1) hot, 2) extremely well regarded by the dogs on this board and 3) I believe that they all have some english capability.
Also, some of the chicas at Gysell's are known for both english and beuna onda.
On the subject of Spanish, it is not necessary to have a good time in Bs As, however, you are not ordering soft-serve for dessert, you'll looking for souffle. That requires a little more work.
Let the guys know when you'll be in town and you may find one or more that are willing to hit the town with you. Through their friends in the biloches, they might be able to find an amiga with decent english. When setting up my friends (with less spanish than me) I have found that my amigas take pride in wrangling in talent that fits the bill.
Gracias amigos de mucho. Clases de espanol comienzan aqui. Toda la ayuda esmuy apreciada.
Siguente es el premio Nobel de Litaratura Espanola!
:)
Ken
Churiflies
05-25-10, 19:52
An all nighter got me in deep "#$^*@*" 2004. Gril from Black! 300k Later!
It was a Sweet Heart Scam! P. S. I just found out last month!
Take Care and Beware!
Gracias amigos de mucho. Clases de espanol comienzan aqui. Toda la ayuda esmuy apreciada.
Siguente es el premio Nobel de Litaratura Espanola!
Ken
Dear Churi.
Guess what you mean is that you got scammed.
Could you pls be a bit more explicit.
Best,
Ken
Dear Churi.
Guess what you mean is that you got scammed.
Could you pls be a bit more explicit.
Best,
KenKen,
Don't get him started!
Here's the story: http://www.argentinaprivate.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6232
Thanks,
Jackson
Churiflies
05-25-10, 22:52
Thanks Jackson! I did not feel like going over all the details again!
Ken,
Don't get him started!
Here's the story: http://www.argentinaprivate.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6232
Thanks,
Jackson
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