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I am wondering how people who earn à fixed income like retirees or people who work in area's like website design, journalism or programming can afford to stay in BA.
How they do it?
1: Leave.
2: cut back on non essientials like entertainment.
3: live cheaply
4: move to provincia or interior.
I am fairly sure that is here 3 to 5 years is likely to stay. They probally also don't have many other options.
Inflation is bad for the Argentines but they get there salaries adjusted and most foreigners don't have that luxury atleast not as much as the real rate
I am wondering how people who earn à fixed income like retirees or people who work in area's like website design, journalism or programming can afford to stay in BA.
How they do it?
1: Leave.
2: cut back on non essientials like entertainment.
3: live cheaply
4: move to provincia or interior.
I am fairly sure that is here 3 to 5 years is likely to stay. They probally also don't have many other options.
Inflation is bad for the Argentines but they get there salaries adjusted and most foreigners don't have that luxury atleast not as much as the real rateIt all depends on how you live. A lot of people originaly came here because they could live like they were in NY or London but cheaper. Plus the added bonus of the large amount of "available" women. In many ways BsAs is now more expensive. If you are here to live you can still get by quite well on very little money. But that does not mean eating out every day or frequenting places like Blacks. I recently read that the average salary here earned by a family of 4 is under 3k pesos a month. That means there is a lot of people getting by on less then 3k pesos. I live quite comfortably on around 4k pesos a month. From what I read here many people in this forum spend more then that a week. While things are much more expensive then 2 years ago it is still cheaper to live here then back in NY. As for the locals? The people I know who live near me have learned to cut back. No more asado 4 nights a week. Less beer and drinking "bichi" cola instead of Coca Cola. Just like my kids are doing back home! I am sure some people are suffering but it seems there are always people suffering.
Most famlies have múltiple incomes, otherwise most people would live in Villa like circumstances and clearly most people don't.
Average income of a state employee is almost 5000 peso FYI
Average income of a state employee is almost 5000 peso FYIWhere do you base this on?
2 questions;
What does a police officer make you think?
What does a subway driver make you think?
Where do you base this on?
2 questions;
What does a police officer make you think?
What does a subway driver make you think? Herald Yesterday, there source is indek.
2000 to 8000 (without benefits)
About 6000 (but they are NOT state employees)
Herald Yesterday, there source is indek.
2000 to 8000 (without benefits)
About 6000 (but they are NOT state employees) CIA factbook 13,500 dollars a year average salary
Herald Yesterday, there source is indek.
2000 to 8000 (without benefits)
About 6000 (but they are NOT state employees) You do not answer the questions I asked.
So based on those 2 figures (2000 & 8000) you make the "average" of 5000?
Do you really think that the salaries are divided equally? Or is it maybe that the vast majority makes 2000-4000 a month, and very few make "a lot" more?
CIA factbook 13,500 dollars a year average salaryThe vast majority of government workers do not make that a year. U$D13, 500 a year means approx AR$4500 / month at this moment.
My source? Payslips of government workers.
The vast majority of government workers do not make that a year. U$D13, 500 a year means approx AR$4500 / month at this moment.
My source? Payslips of government workers. 3375 pesos a month at 4 pesos / dollar
3375 pesos a month at 4 pesos / dollarGet yourself a new calculator!
U$D 13500/12 = U$D 1125.
AR$ 4. 00 : U$D1.00 --> U$D1125 = AR$4500.
Spassmusssein
12-31-10, 00:22
-what is the salary of a supte / poli.
The thread asks, how to survive with 30% inflation if your pension just rises 3% per year.
And mmmaybeee there will be a future prob for some folks.
Paraguay, Thailand, Phillies and Kasachstan maybe the future base for limited income.
BTW, usually in the Phillies they speak a little Spanish.
Where do you base this on?
2 questions;
What does a police officer make you think?
What does a subway driver make you think? I don't know about subway workers but police in the provincia (as of 2009) started at 1400 monthly and after a year went to 1800p. About what a domestic worker earns In a barrio privado.
I don't know about subway workers but police in the provincia (as of 2009) started at 1400 monthly and after a year went to 1800p. About what a domestic worker earns In a barrio privado.So basically nowhere near the AR$5000 that Trampa uses as "average".
So basically nowhere near the AR$5000 that Trampa uses as "average".Please I gave you 2 sources
You do not answer the questions I asked.
So based on those 2 figures (2000 & 8000) you make the "average" of 5000?
Do you really think that the salaries are divided equally? Or is it maybe that the vast majority makes 2000-4000 a month, and very few make "a lot" more? Average is Total salary paid to State workers divided Total of State workers.
The amount you get then is the average
Average is Total salary paid to State workers divided Total of State workers.
The amount you get then is the averageFYI not all State workers are police officers
I know the police in BsAs make more money but I have no idea how much. The teachers are another large group of gov't workers making less then 2000p monthly. I don't believe there are a lot of "workers" with a "salary" of more then 3000p. Monthly. Plus I believe the recent census put the average salary at $2, 700p or there about.
FYI not all State workers are police officersCorrect. But you can use them as a decent benchmark to see what the average income is. (In a lot of countries, not AR, they are actually paid above average)
One of the sources you use, INDEC, is not exactly known for its correctness. (Remember that they are also the bureau who is releasing inflation figures.)
I think payslips tell a lot more then whatever INDEC claims. And again, payslips tell a different story. To give you an idea, the AR$5000 / month or U$D13500 / year is not being made by that many people in the government service. People work for the government for the additional benefits, not the salary.
I know the police in BsAs make more money but I have no idea how much. The teachers are another large group of gov't workers making less then 2000p monthly. I don't believe there are a lot of "workers" with a "salary" of more then 3000p. Monthly. Plus I believe the recent census put the average salary at $2, 700p or there about.The AR$2700 is a figure which is a lot more closer to reality. I do not know the exact figures, but a figure between AR$2500 and AR$3000 sounds correct. A good other indication is the salary of a portero / a. In my building that salary is AR$2300 / month. They have a very strong union (syndicato) so the salary is "not bad"/below average. But they get an apartment "for free".
I know the police in BsAs make more money but I have no idea how much. The teachers are another large group of gov't workers making less then 2000p monthly. I don't believe there are a lot of "workers" with a "salary" of more then 3000p. Monthly. Plus I believe the recent census put the average salary at $2, 700p or there about.State workers are paid better.
Teachers make about 2000 peso a turno, if they do 2 they make around 4000 peso and that brings them close to that average
The AR$2700 is a figure which is a lot more closer to reality. I do not know the exact figures, but a figure between AR$2500 and AR$3000 sounds correct. A good other indication is the salary of a portero / a. In my building that salary is AR$2300 / month. They have a very strong union (syndicato) so the salary is "not bad"/below average. But they get an apartment "for free".2300 peso plus appartment, that would easily get you to 4k depending the value of the depto
2300 peso plus appartment, that would easily get you to 4k depending the value of the deptoThere is no value to the apartment since it can only be used for the portero / a. And most of these apartments are tiny.
State workers are paid better.
Teachers make about 2000 peso a turno, if they do 2 they make around 4000 peso and that brings them close to that averageThat is basically working 2 jobs! So just admit that the AR$5000 is way too high.
(And since when is AR$4000 "close" to AR$5000? Can I pay you 20% less and say "it is close enough"?)
Now back to the topic, how do people cope with the inflation if there income is fixed or only raises slightly? (like in most of the developed world)
That is basically working 2 jobs! So just admit that the AR$5000 is way too high.
(And since when is AR$4000 "close" to AR$5000? Can I pay you 20% less and say "it is close enough"?) I don't consider 8 hours 180 days a year 2 jobs
Now I quit, open a another topic if you want to talk about average Argentine salaries
Cheers
Now back to the topic, how do people cope with the inflation if there income is fixed or only raises slightly? (like in most of the developed world)You, yes you, brought up the average income of AR$5000. Not me, not anyone else.
But to answer your question; That all depends on the lifestyle of a person. If he / she has an income of say U$D2500 a month, then I do not see how the inflation could make life impossible. Do not forget that over the last 2 years the peso declined about 20% to the U$D. See http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=USD&to=ARS&view=5Y.
Besides this all, the peso is about to devalue again. 2011 will be the year. Around the elections. The government is running out of U$D and they have no "source" left anymore. So the support for the AR$ by the government will end, causing a price correction.
Now I quit, open a another topic if you want to talk about average Argentine salaries
CheersRedondo strikes again!
Redondo strikes again!What can I say.
Redondo is on my ignore list. Trampa to follow soon. :-)
That is basically working 2 jobs! So just admit that the AR$5000 is way too high.
(And since when is AR$4000 "close" to AR$5000? Can I pay you 20% less and say "it is close enough"?) Teachers earn around 1200p a turno. Dos turno (9 hour + day) 2400 p monthly.
Teachers earn around 1200p a turno. Dos turno (9 hour + day) 2400 p monthly.If it was still would be 2006 you would right going rate is about 1800-2000 peso
If it was still would be 2006 you would right going rate is about 1800-2000 pesoMaybe in the city but in the rest of the country no. They just went through strikes and protests to get the 1200 (more or less, I don, t remember the exact figure). I do remember Kirschners home provencia saying the couldn't afford 1200 and Christina stepped in with extra money so the schools would open for the 2010 school year.
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