View Full Version : Massive Boliche (Chica) Crackdown Last Night!
TejanoLibre
03-03-11, 05:18
Around 1pm ALL over town the Gendarmeria raided every Chica Bar that we all know!
We tried to go to Cattos and the Triangle was all under lock-down.
5 Paddy Wagons and a bunch of Military Police all over the place.
No one was allowed to enter or leave any of the clubs!
Lights on and who knows what was going on inside.
So we jumped in a cab to go to Newport and the same shit was going on there too!
Gendarmeria EVERYWHERE!
Newport, Madahos, Hippo, Black, etc, etc!
All the patrons and chicas stuck inside!
We happened across 4 Paraguayan chicas from Newport so we took them to a pizza stand and hung-out and had a few beers with them while they exchanged text with their girlfriends that were trapped in the clubs.
I was with the Piano Player and he was texting Stranger who was being held in Newport!
Heard that there were some American tourist that were really freaking-out!
So what the fuck was that all about!
Did anybody else experience this?
I have NEVER seen this before.
Every club raided at the same time.
Forensic teams with video cameras and still cameras taking pictures of the entrance and interiors of the clubs!
Chicas freaking-out because they did not want to be photographed.
WOW!
Maybe Aqualung can fill us in?
Take Care,
TL
Wild Walleye
03-03-11, 05:28
Around 1pm ALL over town the Gendarmeria raided every Chica Bar that we all know!
We tried to go to Cattos and the Triangle was all under lock-down.
5 Paddy Wagons and a bunch of Military Police all over the place.
No one was allowed to enter or leave any of the clubs!
Lights on and who knows what was going on inside.
So we jumped in a cab to go to Newport and the same shit was going on there too!
Gendarmeria EVERYWHERE!
Newport, Madahos, Hippo, Black, etc, etc!
All the patrons and chicas stuck inside!
We happened across 4 Paraguayan chicas from Newport so we took them to a pizza stand and hung-out and had a few beers with them while they exchanged text with their girlfriends that were trapped in the clubs.
I was with the Piano Player and he was texting Stranger who was being held in Newport!
Heard that there were some American tourist that were really freaking-out!
So what the fuck was that all about!
Did anybody else experience this?
I have NEVER seen this before.
Every club raided at the same time.
Forensic teams with video cameras and still cameras taking pictures of the entrance and interiors of the clubs!
Chicas freaking-out because they did not want to be photographed.
WOW!
Maybe Aqualung can fill us in?
Take Care,
TLSomeone forgot to pay someone which is unlikely, given that multiple clubs were effected, or there is a new, bigger shakedown being foisted on the club owners.
PianoPlayer
03-03-11, 05:35
Tejano was definitely supplying the good karma! I missed the triangle raid thanks to him by perhaps a half hour, same at New Port. Catching the chicas on the way in was another stroke of luck, due only to TL's reputation, charm and good looks. Those four dispelled the idea that New Port chicas are old, tired, and unattractive. Noelia was amazing, it's true what they say about the Paraguayanas. Apparently a former Excedra cafe denizen, she is GFE all the way. If you spot her at NP, if it opens again, don't hesitate. Smallish redhead.
I have seen this several times but not on such a large scale. Usualy just one or two clubs at a time. We don't have that many clubs that close together out here in the boondocks. Usualy looking for drugs and checking to see how many chicas have expired visas.
Tejano L let me and another monger know about the Triangle madness while we were quaffing a beer at Maddy's. So, we walked over to check things out. Hook had apparently been "cleared" and was open. We went in and looked around and everything seemed to be back to normal. The gendarmes were still posted at the doors to Ness and Cattos. They were some stern looking dudes. Not your regular cops. My guess is that this was nothing to do with bribes not being paid to the regular cops, but some sort of Federal involvement. I hope it's not a sign of trouble ahead, but seems a good sign that Hook was back open very quickly.
I heard that they were asking the girls lots of questions about whether the club took any money the clients paid them. Also, about whether they were their voluntarily. Apparently many of the chicas were asked to sign affidavits on the spot. I think they're trying to determine if the clubs are technically a "brothel" or not and if so that's illegal. My friend was pretty terrified.
It is an election year. Coincidence? I've seen nothing in the papers yet.
Sysco
Wild Walleye
03-03-11, 14:21
As I was pondering the issue, I wondered if the issue of club owners taking a cut of the chicas pay might be at issue, since my understanding is that they (club owners) need to make their money off of drinks, cover charges and the like rather than via prostitution.
Dogboy, I thought the local cops are the Feds in Bs As. Any police group would bring the big boys and gear-up for a raid.
As I was pondering the issue, I wondered if the issue of club owners taking a cut of the chicas pay might be at issue, since my understanding is that they (club owners) need to make their money off of drinks, cover charges and the like rather than via prostitution.
Dogboy, I thought the local cops are the Feds in Bs As. Any police group would bring the big boys and gear-up for a raid. A further update. Cocodrilo and Madonna were hit last night as well, and according to a friend, all the clubs in Recoleta. Sysco's explanation sounds like a good one.
I don't know the exact name for these law enforcement officers, but it was explained to me today that they are federal in nature but separate from the "federal" cops you see on the street. They are used, for example, when something has to be addressed in the villas where the ordinary cops rarely venture. A no nonsense bunch of fellas and likely to be on only one "payroll".
These coppers are from the Interior Ministry. My guess is that Sysco is on the money. Whether this is a one shot deal for publicity and part of the election run up or whatever, who knows?
Let's not forget that ex Defense Minister Nilda Garre has alot more power in her new law enforcement position, which has meant less power for good old boy Anibal Fernandez. It would not surprise me at all if Nilda is flexing her chickie muscles by cracking down on any abuses within the prostitution sector.
I get into BA this Sunay and I find out about this.
What does this mean? Are the clubs still open or will the be staying closed? What happens to the tourists that are in the clubs when the police comes in? Are we doing anything illegal?
Wild Walleye
03-03-11, 15:13
Dogboy, as usual, has his pulse on the inner machinations of Oz.
I don't know the exact name for these law enforcement officers, but it was explained to me today that they are federal in nature but separate from the "federal" cops you see on the street.Agreed, I would expect that they are of a different ilk than the listless, armed meter maids on the streets (probably weren't wearing orange reflective vests, either).
They are used, for example, when something has to be addressed in the villas where the ordinary cops rarely venture. A no nonsense bunch of fellas and likely to be on only one "payroll".It is the 'payroll' upon which one might find their puppet master that would influence such action.
I wouldn't be surprised if the action is derivative of some rift between the incumbent puppet master (Feds within Interior's DOJ&HRs) and the johnny-come-lately, Metro, apprentice puppet master. Maybe there needed to be a message sent as to who is still in charge, despite visible changes in local law enforcement. I suspect (know) that the Ministry of the Interior and metro admin serve different masters.
Would cracking down on prostitution a political winner in Argentine politics? What would all the pols do Monday through Thursday nights when they tell their wives that they have to work late?
Wild Walleye
03-03-11, 15:15
It would not surprise me at all if Nilda is flexing her chickie muscles by cracking down on any abuses within the prostitution sector.A form of political kegel exercises?
I get into BA this Sunay and I find out about this.
What does this mean? Are the clubs still open or will the be staying closed? What happens to the tourists that are in the clubs when the police comes in? Are we doing anything illegal? My guess is that the large majority of places will be open. I'll be out and about tomorrow tonight and also will check with folks I know who frequent places I avoid. Check Sysco's post for the most likely reason for the "investigation".
I wouldn't worry a second about your doing anything illegal. Nothing happened to the tourists or local mongers in the clubs that I know of. Honestly, I think Sysco has nailed it, and I also think that there is a distinct possibility that Garre is doing a little cleaning up.
As for the boliches, I doubt many of them have major worries, however those that have onsite fuck rooms may be skirting the law. As Sysco says, these places aren't supposed to be a "brothel". If there is evidence to suggest that money for fucking is making its way into the hands of the boliche owner that could spell trouble. Though note, I am far from an expert on the law.
Meforu 2000
03-03-11, 21:30
No your all wrong. They were tryin to find the chick that ripped off the minister, no happy ending LOL.
Meforu
TejanoLibre
03-03-11, 22:06
Tejano was definitely supplying the good karma! I missed the triangle raid thanks to him by perhaps a half hour, same at New Port. Catching the chicas on the way in was another stroke of luck, due only to TL's reputation, charm and good looks. Those four dispelled the idea that New Port chicas are old, tired, and unattractive. Noelia was amazing, it's true what they say about the Paraguayanas. Apparently a former Excedra cafe denizen, she is GFE all the way. If you spot her at NP, if it opens again, don't hesitate. Smallish redhead.Right!
The Gendarmes are a Federal Military Based Police Force that since Jan. 1st. Has been used to back-up the Federal Police in the provincias. They also perform border patrol duties and full-on strikes against narcotics and organized crime.
What happened last night was a well organized multi club raid with the main purpose aimed at prostitution; but they are really focused on white slavery, illegal alliens and under aged working girls.
Also, asking the girls if the club owners are getting a cut sounds correct.
But YES, the night ended quite well due to the 4 lovely Paraguayans that hung-out with me and the Piano Player!
Total cost to drink with 4 chicas at a sidewalk cafe for about 2 hours was about 50. 00 pesos.
Then the Piano Player quietly ran off with one of the 4 and left me and the Stranger stranded with 3 very nice Paraguayans!
We all went back to Newport which was still shut down and surrounded by guys without a sense of humor so we sat down at a table and had ring side seats!
Soon the Forensic Unit arrived and started grabbing pictures and vids.
Shit!
The girls freaked-out and went home empty handed although very much in the mood for a 4-way! Or would it have been a 5-way?
Anyway, just another night touring the wildlife in BA with TL!
Take Care,
TL.
P. S. Thanks to the Piano Player and the Stranger! It was an interesting evening with more to come!
P.S.S - I did NOT see a thing on the news about anything that we saw last night !
Eurotrashy27
03-03-11, 23:33
http://www.un-instraw.org/grvc/en/news/380-argentina-proposal-to-go-after-clients-of-sex-trafficking-victims.html
http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=54622
The idea is to discourage demand by sending clients convicted of hiring the sexual services of a trafficking victim to prison.
Yikes...is BA changing? Does this mean I go to Bangkok in June instead of back to lovely BA? ojala...
TejanoLibre
03-04-11, 03:40
http://www.un-instraw.org/grvc/en/news/380-argentina-proposal-to-go-after-clients-of-sex-trafficking-victims.html
http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=54622
Yikes. Is BA changing? Does this mean I go to Bangkok in June instead of back to lovely BA? Ojala. We would not be here and our forum would cease to exist or have very little value!
Expats wasting time on US politics!
How boring!
This country is driven by the sale, lease and rental of the glorious ¨Y. ¨
One of my all time ¨favoritas¨from X called me immediately and advised me to be extra careful If I reopen and continue to have my Chicas as the main course or dessert!
To this day I still believe that Lálliance was the ONLY resto in BA where you could have a fine steak and then go upstairs and poke one of the Chicas or at times one of the employees!
God damn, I broke every rule in business administration and poked most of my female employees and some of my female customers!
It was grand!
Now, back to the thread.
No one that was inside when they raided the place was allowed to go to the restroom and lose a few grams of weight!
Or maybe a false I. D?
At one point Stranger played the part of the stupid tourist and told them he wanted to go home!
They released him.
So the moral of the story is :
Even if you can order a beer, a telo and negotiate with a Chica in Spanish NEVER utter a single word in Spanish and they will allow you to fuck-off!
I still use this tactic daily and I'm fluent!
However, there is a police station JUST for tourist and they have unleashed a new set of police officers that can speak English, Portugese, Italian, French, etc.
So, be cool and get laid!
TL.
P. S. Call me fuckers I'm bored!
http://www.un-instraw.org/grvc/en/news/380-argentina-proposal-to-go-after-clients-of-sex-trafficking-victims.html
http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=54622
Yikes. Is BA changing? Does this mean I go to Bangkok in June instead of back to lovely BA? Ojala. Same 'ol song and dance. If they are really interested in cracking down on under age girls, trafficked chicas, etc., they would be beating the cheap privado bushes, and focussing on the provincias.
It remains to be seen if there is a "new mentality" regarding law enforcement re: prostitution in Capital Federal. I very much doubt it. Hell, they can't stamp out whoaring in the USA, prude capital of the world. How are they going to make any kind of dent in Buenos Aires? Much ado about nothing.
Rockin Bob
03-04-11, 13:39
Basically, the title means 10 police precincts are under scrutiny for looking the other way re: prostitution.
http://www.clarin.com/policiales/comisarias-lupa-supuesto-amparo-prostitucion_0_437956292.html
PianoPlayer
03-04-11, 15:02
Basically, the title means 10 police precincts are under scrutiny for looking the other way re: prostitution.
http://www.clarin.com/policiales/comisarias-lupa-supuesto-amparo-prostitucion_0_437956292.html
The article says 50 clubs were raided including Shampoo. I thought that was now a normal disco? The fact that police payoffs are the subject of investigation is interesting, and leaves me to wonder how the boliches will respond. Net result of the raids, two underage women identified and detained by juvenile authorities.
The article says 50 clubs were raided including Shampoo. I thought that was now a normal disco? The fact that police payoffs are the subject of investigation is interesting, and leaves me to wonder how the boliches will respond. Net result of the raids, two underage women identified and detained by juvenile authorities.Shampoo is no longer a gato bar but loads of kids go there for parties on the weekend. Maybe it was targeted for under age boozing? Or maybe it wasn't even targeted at all. Just got grandfathered on the list.
Basically, the title means 10 police precincts are under scrutiny for looking the other way re: prostitution.
http://www.clarin.com/policiales/comisarias-lupa-supuesto-amparo-prostitucion_0_437956292.html
They closed "Kid Kat". I think that's one less clipjoint. Two underaged girls. Pretty slim pickin's.
They closed "Kid Kat". I think that's one less clipjoint. Two underaged girls. Pretty slim pickin's.Kit Kat-the notorious clipjoint on Suipacha just off Cordoba. The gendarmes did us a favor with that one.
As for the boliches, I doubt many of them have major worries, however those that have onsite fuck rooms may be skirting the law. As Sysco says, these places aren't supposed to be a "brothel". If there is evidence to suggest that money for fucking is making its way into the hands of the boliche owner that could spell trouble. Though note, I am far from an expert on the law.
The person on the board who would know most about whether prostitution is legal or not is Aqualung. I remember him posting something a few years ago. I tried to search for it, but I am having trouble with the new search, so I looked at all his posts and found it.
The problem here is that there is a great grey area. The age of consent is 16, to enter a "hotel alojamiento" for example is 18 and to conduct a business is 21.
As prostitution is neither legal nor illegal there are no clear guide lines to go by. Usually law enforcement bust a privado for reasons other than prostitution such as evading tax, immigration laws, labour laws, health laws (ley de profilaxis) or even excess noise.
It's unlikely that in any of the privados frequented by mongers here there are any girls working against their will. This is much more likely in the greater Bs. As. Or the provinces where enforcement is more complicated. There it's not uncommon to find girls as young as 12 or 14.
So it all boils down to whether the chica is old enough (21) to charge you. If she paying tax, pension and health. If she is old enough (18) to watch a porn movie with you or go to a "tello" or if she is over 16 and under 18 she can only work 6 hour shifts instead of 8. If she is Argentine or if she is a foreigner. If she is a foreigner does she have her documents in order (and a working permit)
Lots of variables! So just do what you think is correct! My understanding is that prostitution is not illegal, but pimping is. That's why the clubs charge for drinks and stuff, but are not allowed to get a cut of what the girls make, or it's illegal. (They probably do, but it's illegal.)
Also underage girls are illegal. Anyone forced into prostitution is illegal ect.
My guess is they are looking for anyone underage, or if they place is pimping. Or if the place is somehow forcing the girls into the trade. I doubt any of the clubs would have anyone working against there will.
It's probably politics as other posters have said.
Everything was back to completely normal in the Triangle last night.
Well, "normal" as you like it.
PianoPlayer
03-05-11, 17:15
Likewise at New Port, Hippo and Madahos. Business as usual.
Local news' description of these events: http://www.infobae.com/notas/567630-La-Justicia-allano-los-locales-Cocodrilo-y-Shampoo.html (original in Spanish)
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=es&sl=es&tl=en&u=http://www.infobae.com/notas/567630-La-Justicia-allano-los-locales-Cocodrilo-y-Shampoo.html&rurl=translate.google.com.ar&usg=ALkJrhiT_YJma9aXfig8YfZfsVv-RuHZkA
(Google translation)
Rockin Bob
03-08-11, 13:10
Thanks for the link, Guiller.
'Se encontró prostitucióand en la mayoría de los lugares, pero no situaciones de trata de personas', indicaron las fuentes.
Prostitution was found in a majority of the places.
Which I guess means they didn't find any in a minority of the places?
Thanks for the link, Guiller.
'Se encontró prostitucióand en la mayoría de los lugares, pero no situaciones de trata de personas', indicaron las fuentes.
Prostitution was found in a majority of the places.
Which I guess means they didn't find any in a minority of the places? Yes, they didn't care about prostitution. They were looking for minors, or for sexual slavery situations (women who are forced to work as prostitutes against their will). Other similar procedures related to work slavery (but unrelated to sexual services) took place during the summer.
The storm troopers were out in Recoleta Friday night. In and out of boliches near Madahos. They probably had been in Madahos, but when I showed up in the area they were in Hellas and soon to be in Sodoma and Brut. Usually not an issue for mongers, but make sure you always have a copy of your passport.
Skittenbrever
07-22-12, 22:22
About ten days ago.
I couldn't get hold of my favorite 'independente' at Belgrano, so on the spur of the moment
I went to a privado I knew at Cabildo 2480? (if I remember the door no. Correcctly?), just where Juramento meets Cabildo but on the other side of Cabildo.
I was walking there, then I saw a big crowd there at the entrance to the privado (which was a single door to a 'casita') with a few uniformed policemen and police cars. Loads of obviously plain clothes policemen talking and looking as if they owned the place.
The door to the house was wide open (normally its very shut) , where I suppose the girls had been led out by the policemen, before I came.
One plain clothes policeman in typically aviatar sun glasses and moustache was looking at me suspiciously. Before he could make the first move (as I was the only pedestrian onlooker) , I scrammed out of there as fast as possible.
Strange, the place was very neat and tidy even classy I would say, the girls pretty and very friendly,
But Paraguayian and reasonalby cheap. 200 for half an hour! I suppose it was a case of sex slavery. But I never felt to be in a seedy joint with miserable women. Quite the opposite it seemed all so classy. And dare I say, democratic!
But I never felt to be in a seedy joint with miserable women. Quite the opposite it seemed all so classy. And dare I say, democratic!In Buenos Aires City, the main legal issue regarding prostitution is the existence of working minors. Situations of sexual slavery are more frequent in some of the Northern provinces (like Tucuman, Catamarca, La Rioja) , at least according to the news. According to the press, these recent procedures are not being put forward by the Police but by the Justice Department. Other actions regarding work slavery (but unrelated to sexual work) have also been reported.
The coppers were out in Recoleta again last night. They were in Plays for a long time. Plainclothes types. Must have been 10 of them. This activity seems to be pretty much routine now, with Friday nights popular for the scrutinizing. After they left, the place went about business as usual.
Wild Walleye
08-27-12, 09:18
Do you local guys see an increase in this type of activity? Do you think that the economic issues are hitting the cops, too (I. E. Graft and payoffs don't seem to go as far as they used to?) and that these raids are business development activities (or notification of rate increases)? Are these the federal police or the new metro guys, trying to cut in on the fed cops territory?
Do you local guys see an increase in this type of activity? Do you think that the economic issues are hitting the cops, too (I. E. Graft and payoffs don't seem to go as far as they used to?) and that these raids are business development activities (or notification of rate increases)? Are these the federal police or the new metro guys, trying to cut in on the fed cops territory?Aqualung would have a better read on the motivations than I would. As for whether there has been an increase, definitely so, at least in the Recoleta clubs, particularly on the Vicente Lopez stretch. Seems to be a pretty regular thing along there. These are not the new Metro police, as far as I can tell. I don't think they are involved in this. These also did not appear to be the gendarmerie, but they were plainclothes, whatever that means. Just the regular federal cops.
There has been an increase in these activities since Nilda Garre was named head police lady.
Went to scout chicas at Madahos last night. Sunday so knew would be slower than weekdays but wanted to see a Sunday that wasn't raining like last time I was there, which was totally dead.
This time not that bad, but more to point of thread here, as I was waking over there a guy stopped me on street just before crossing to Madahos side. Didn't identify himself as a cop and was definitely not one of the usual card hustlers but asked me if I was going into the boliche and I said yes. Asked me if I was a tourist and said yes. Asked me what kind of girls I like and I said I like all kinds of girls, long as they are "caliente" and he laughed and waved me on.
No idea if was a cop, some random argentine or something else, but definitely not a card hustler because he never once tried to pass one on me or ecorted me to door to make sure got credit like the normal hustlers do.
Also. Today in morning and returning just now in afternoon shopping and errands, saw bit of non-standard police activity. There's always solo orange vest tourist police stationed or walking around where I live, tourist heart of Recoleta. But today I saw at least two bands of three police each walking a 4-5 block radius all around from about the Alvear hotel.
Have seen the 2-3 stationed in front of judges places and the plenty of solo tourist police all over nice parts of town but first time since 2005 I've seen multiple bands of police roaming around recoleta
Interesting. I would bet the non-hustler was a cop, but who knows.
As for the walking uniforms, there continues to be a slew of breakins in the Recoleta area. I know a guy who lives with his wife in Recoleta, who told me just the other day that increased police presence had been requested by many families in his neighborhood. My friend recently bought a handgun and is obviously concerned. Also, there is, and has been for a long time, a lot of snatching and grabbing in the area where you're living. Maybe that's on the upswing as well.
Went to scout chicas at Madahos last night. Sunday so knew would be slower than weekdays but wanted to see a Sunday that wasn't raining like last time I was there, which was totally dead.
This time not that bad, but more to point of thread here, as I was waking over there a guy stopped me on street just before crossing to Madahos side. Didn't identify himself as a cop and was definitely not one of the usual card hustlers but asked me if I was going into the boliche and I said yes. Asked me if I was a tourist and said yes. Asked me what kind of girls I like and I said I like all kinds of girls, long as they are "caliente" and he laughed and waved me on.
No idea if was a cop, some random argentine or something else, but definitely not a card hustler because he never once tried to pass one on me or ecorted me to door to make sure got credit like the normal hustlers do.
Also. Today in morning and returning just now in afternoon shopping and errands, saw bit of non-standard police activity. There's always solo orange vest tourist police stationed or walking around where I live, tourist heart of Recoleta. But today I saw at least two bands of three police each walking a 4-5 block radius all around from about the Alvear hotel.
Have seen the 2-3 stationed in front of judges places and the plenty of solo tourist police all over nice parts of town but first time since 2005 I've seen multiple bands of police roaming around recoleta
Makes sense, I recall reading in the Herald last week about some break in. Must be pretty bad for the petty crooks to be breaking into this neighborhood.
Interesting. I would bet the non-hustler was a cop, but who knows.
As for the walking uniforms, there continues to be a slew of breakins in the Recoleta area. I know a guy who lives with his wife in Recoleta, who told me just the other day that increased police presence had been requested by many families in his neighborhood. My friend recently bought a handgun and is obviously concerned. Also, there is, and has been for a long time, a lot of snatching and grabbing in the area where you're living. Maybe that's on the upswing as well.
It's cyclical, more robberies = public outcry = more cops. More cops = less robberies = public content = cops sent to somewhere else. And it starts all over again!
I doubt if Mpexy's non-hustler was a cop. Probably some idiot trying to be funny though everything is possible.
Dog, the plainclothes were probably immigration officers. They usually visit the clubs in packs with one or two federal cops for protection. The normal procedure is that they visit the club, have the owner or manager send the girls one or two at a time to the dressing rooms where they check their IDs. If they find one without the correct papers (most of them) they just give them a citation to go to immigrations to fix their situation. If they find a minor they turn her over to the police who then fine the club owner who then either pays the fine or more likely gives it to his lawyers who buries it under so much paper work it usually expires before any money is paid. And life goes on, and on and on!
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