Thanksgiving 2013 BA Report

[FlyingMongoose]

I spent a week in BA this past Thanksgiving. A little about my fucking background. I've been to BA 4 times, Rio 4 times, FKKs around 10 times, Russia twice, Bucharest once, Prague once, Warsaw once, and Medellin about 10 times. I'm a harsh grader of girls. Many working girls around the world are quite good looking and definitely fuckable for cash, but how many are as hot as the hottest girls you see in any major city in the US? Not many...

It's incredible to me how prices have risen in BA. In my first trip to BA in 2005, I paid $100 for a 1 hour with a very attractive girl from Blacks. Now? Read on... Here are the venues I hit:

Black.

I went twice, Thursday and Saturday nights. No entrance fee but you must buy a drink, which is about 200-300 pesos. On Thursday it was packed. Saturday was about 1/3 the number of girls. I totally fucked up. I saw 2 HOT girls on Thursday that I should've taken. But, I was stupid and wanted to check out Hippo first. By the time I came back, they were gone. On Saturday, I spoke to one girl, and she wanted $400. I believe that's the going rate. I didn't even bother countering with an offer. Oh, of course she wanted me to buy her a drink first, but I insisted on getting a quote from her before.

Overall, excluding price, I thought the talent at Black was very good. On Thursday, I'd say there were 4-5 girls whom I thought were very, very good looking. It's not a high % (out of 60-80 girls), but it only takes one... One thing I do find interesting is that even at these prices, a lot of the hotter girls still get picked.

Hippo.

No entrance fee, but you must buy a drink which is 750 pessos. Also, the girls will not discuss price with you unless you buy them a drink, which is also 750 pesos. Very annoying. The girls wearing shorts are dancers and they charge more. The non-dancers charge less. My buddy and I talked to a couple of girls, and both wanted $400. Ultimately he took out a girl who was not wearing shorts, and she "settled" for $200. Hippo is much darker, and it's more difficult to see all the girls. It's more like a nightclub. Black is one large space, and it's much brighter so it's easier to see the girls. I prefer Black's setup.

The talent at Hippo was quite good as well. A few very hot girls. About the same quality as Black. I couldn't resist one girl. Petite, great curves, dirty blonde. She had petite, delicate features, probably 5'3" and 105 lbs soaking wet. I'd say a size 0 or 2. She wouldn't budge from $400 though, even though it was 4 am. I think these girls simply don't negotiate, and they've decided on a fixed price. A cartel, you could say... They'd rather fuck 2 guys a week at $400/ pop than 8 guys at $100/ pop. She was quite nice about it though. Very polite. I was willing to pay her $200, but not $400. We said our goodbyes. But after walking around for another 30 minutes, I thought, what's an extra $200? I already spent $1200 on my flight, and $150/ night for my apartment. Am I really going to go home solo because I didn't want to spend another $200? No.

We went back to my place, and she was quite nice and had a very good session. Would I pay $400 once a month? No. Once a year? Sure...

Daytime Casas.

I forget the number. But it's on Santa Fe near Florida. 400 pesos for the hour, I believe. Or 500. Does it matter?? Haha. Only 4-5 girls to pick from. I picked a fake blonde. Semi-porn star attitude which I don't normally like but she was pretty good. She was a bit crass and rough around the edges, but she did have quite a nice body and was enthusiastic. Money well spent.

I also visited another Casa on Florida. Don't remember the number. Good talent. More and better selection than the Santa Fe one. Only problem is they were quite busy, and I find it really annoying they are closed on weekends. Did one very cute brunette, Ivanna, for 500 pesos. Great performer and very friendly.

Hook.

Went there 3 times. Negatives. The place is too small (or, too many tables for the space), and too dark. Otherwise I really like the place. Mandatory drink. I don't recall how much. 100 pesos? Normal US prices. Talent. Pretty good, but no hot girls. The hottest girls are still at Black and Hippo (though obviously there's a lot of overlap). More guys than girls, but many guys there weren't really looking to take a girl. About 15-20 girls working. I took out two girls on two different nights - 800 pesos and 1000 pesos. Each stayed one hour. Both were quite good performers. Good times.

Cafe Orleans.

Old or fat or ugly. Or all three.

Summary. Hook was the best bang for the buck, you could say... But, I'd have to say, I really regret passing up that one girl I saw at Black on Thursday. She could pass for a smoking hot co-ed back in the States. In my experience fucking around the world, there aren't many places where you can find that, especially with facial features.

The day time casas can be very good deals, but it's pain in the ass to keep up with the latest ones. Unlike Medellin, where the casas are open for years at the same location, the ones in BA tend to open and close frequently. For the occasional visitor, this is maddening. Luckily, my buddy did most of the research on the casas.

Overall, BA is just too expensive to go often. I go maybe once every 3-4 years. For the quality of the girls and cost, nothing beats Medellin (or FKK). But to me, BA is more about just fucking. The city is beautiful, the food / wine is excellent, and the fucking ain't bad...

[Tres3]

I spent a week in BA this past Thanksgiving. A little about my fucking background. I've been to BA 4 times, Rio 4 times, FKKs around 10 times, Russia twice, Bucharest once, Prague once, Warsaw once, and Medellin about 10 times. I'm a harsh grader of girls. Many working girls around the world are quite good looking and definitely fuckable for cash, but how many are as hot as the hottest girls you see in any major city in the US? Not many...

It's incredible to me how prices have risen in BA. In my first trip to BA in 2005, I paid $100 for a 1 hour with a very attractive girl from Blacks. Now? Read on... Here are the venues I hit:

Black.

I went twice, Thursday and Saturday nights. No entrance fee but you must buy a drink, which is about 200-300 pesos. On Thursday it was packed. Saturday was about 1/3 the number of girls. I totally fucked up. I saw 2 HOT girls on Thursday that I should've taken. But, I was stupid and wanted to check out Hippo first. By the time I came back, they were gone. On Saturday, I spoke to one girl, and she wanted $400. I believe that's the going rate. I didn't even bother countering with an offer. Oh, of course she wanted me to buy her a drink first, but I insisted on getting a quote from her before.

Overall, excluding price, I thought the talent at Black was very good. On Thursday, I'd say there were 4-5 girls whom I thought were very, very good looking. It's not a high % (out of 60-80 girls), but it only takes one... One thing I do find interesting is that even at these prices, a lot of the hotter girls still get picked.

Hippo.

No entrance fee, but you must buy a drink which is 750 pessos. Also, the girls will not discuss price with you unless you buy them a drink, which is also 750 pesos. Very annoying. The girls wearing shorts are dancers and they charge more. The non-dancers charge less. My buddy and I talked to a couple of girls, and both wanted $400. Ultimately he took out a girl who was not wearing shorts, and she "settled" for $200. Hippo is much darker, and it's more difficult to see all the girls. It's more like a nightclub. Black is one large space, and it's much brighter so it's easier to see the girls. I prefer Black's setup.

The talent at Hippo was quite good as well. A few very hot girls. About the same quality as Black. I couldn't resist one girl. Petite, great curves, dirty blonde. She had petite, delicate features, probably 5'3" and 105 lbs soaking wet. I'd say a size 0 or 2. She wouldn't budge from $400 though, even though it was 4 am. I think these girls simply don't negotiate, and they've decided on a fixed price. A cartel, you could say... They'd rather fuck 2 guys a week at $400/ pop than 8 guys at $100/ pop. She was quite nice about it though. Very polite. I was willing to pay her $200, but not $400. We said our goodbyes. But after walking around for another 30 minutes, I thought, what's an extra $200? I already spent $1200 on my flight, and $150/ night for my apartment. Am I really going to go home solo because I didn't want to spend another $200? No.

We went back to my place, and she was quite nice and had a very good session. Would I pay $400 once a month? No. Once a year? Sure...

Daytime Casas.

I forget the number. But it's on Santa Fe near Florida. 400 pesos for the hour, I believe. Or 500. Does it matter?? Haha. Only 4-5 girls to pick from. I picked a fake blonde. Semi-porn star attitude which I don't normally like but she was pretty good. She was a bit crass and rough around the edges, but she did have quite a nice body and was enthusiastic. Money well spent.

I also visited another Casa on Florida. Don't remember the number. Good talent. More and better selection than the Santa Fe one. Only problem is they were quite busy, and I find it really annoying they are closed on weekends. Did one very cute brunette, Ivanna, for 500 pesos. Great performer and very friendly.

Hook.

Went there 3 times. Negatives. The place is too small (or, too many tables for the space), and too dark. Otherwise I really like the place. Mandatory drink. I don't recall how much. 100 pesos? Normal US prices. Talent. Pretty good, but no hot girls. The hottest girls are still at Black and Hippo (though obviously there's a lot of overlap). More guys than girls, but many guys there weren't really looking to take a girl. About 15-20 girls working. I took out two girls on two different nights - 800 pesos and 1000 pesos. Each stayed one hour. Both were quite good performers. Good times.

Cafe Orleans.

Old or fat or ugly. Or all three.

Summary. Hook was the best bang for the buck, you could say... But, I'd have to say, I really regret passing up that one girl I saw at Black on Thursday. She could pass for a smoking hot co-ed back in the States. In my experience fucking around the world, there aren't many places where you can find that, especially with facial features.

The day time casas can be very good deals, but it's pain in the ass to keep up with the latest ones. Unlike Medellin, where the casas are open for years at the same location, the ones in BA tend to open and close frequently. For the occasional visitor, this is maddening. Luckily, my buddy did most of the research on the casas.

Overall, BA is just too expensive to go often. I go maybe once every 3-4 years. For the quality of the girls and cost, nothing beats Medellin (or FKK). But to me, BA is more about just fucking. The city is beautiful, the food / wine is excellent, and the fucking ain't bad...I envy the fact that you have more money than sense. You probably also have a boat with four 350 HP outboards.

Tres3.

[Boston]

I spent a week in BA this past Thanksgiving. A little about my fucking background. I've been to BA 4 times, Rio 4 times, FKKs around 10 times, Russia twice, Bucharest once, Prague once, Warsaw once, and Medellin about 10 times. I'm a harsh grader of girls. Many working girls around the world are quite good looking and definitely fuckable for cash, but how many are as hot as the hottest girls you see in any major city in the US? Not many...

It's incredible to me how prices have risen in BA. In my first trip to BA in 2005, I paid $100 for a 1 hour with a very attractive girl from Blacks. Now? Read on... Here are the venues I hit:

Black.

I went twice, Thursday and Saturday nights. No entrance fee but you must buy a drink, which is about 200-300 pesos. On Thursday it was packed. Saturday was about 1/3 the number of girls. I totally fucked up. I saw 2 HOT girls on Thursday that I should've taken. But, I was stupid and wanted to check out Hippo first. By the time I came back, they were gone. On Saturday, I spoke to one girl, and she wanted $400. I believe that's the going rate. I didn't even bother countering with an offer. Oh, of course she wanted me to buy her a drink first, but I insisted on getting a quote from her before.

Overall, excluding price, I thought the talent at Black was very good. On Thursday, I'd say there were 4-5 girls whom I thought were very, very good looking. It's not a high % (out of 60-80 girls), but it only takes one... One thing I do find interesting is that even at these prices, a lot of the hotter girls still get picked.

Hippo.

No entrance fee, but you must buy a drink which is 750 pessos. Also, the girls will not discuss price with you unless you buy them a drink, which is also 750 pesos. Very annoying. The girls wearing shorts are dancers and they charge more. The non-dancers charge less. My buddy and I talked to a couple of girls, and both wanted $400. Ultimately he took out a girl who was not wearing shorts, and she "settled" for $200. Hippo is much darker, and it's more difficult to see all the girls. It's more like a nightclub. Black is one large space, and it's much brighter so it's easier to see the girls. I prefer Black's setup.

The talent at Hippo was quite good as well. A few very hot girls. About the same quality as Black. I couldn't resist one girl. Petite, great curves, dirty blonde. She had petite, delicate features, probably 5'3" and 105 lbs soaking wet. I'd say a size 0 or 2. She wouldn't budge from $400 though, even though it was 4 am. I think these girls simply don't negotiate, and they've decided on a fixed price. A cartel, you could say... They'd rather fuck 2 guys a week at $400/ pop than 8 guys at $100/ pop. She was quite nice about it though. Very polite. I was willing to pay her $200, but not $400. We said our goodbyes. But after walking around for another 30 minutes, I thought, what's an extra $200? I already spent $1200 on my flight, and $150/ night for my apartment. Am I really going to go home solo because I didn't want to spend another $200? No.

We went back to my place, and she was quite nice and had a very good session. Would I pay $400 once a month? No. Once a year? Sure...

Daytime Casas.

I forget the number. But it's on Santa Fe near Florida. 400 pesos for the hour, I believe. Or 500. Does it matter?? Haha. Only 4-5 girls to pick from. I picked a fake blonde. Semi-porn star attitude which I don't normally like but she was pretty good. She was a bit crass and rough around the edges, but she did have quite a nice body and was enthusiastic. Money well spent.

I also visited another Casa on Florida. Don't remember the number. Good talent. More and better selection than the Santa Fe one. Only problem is they were quite busy, and I find it really annoying they are closed on weekends. Did one very cute brunette, Ivanna, for 500 pesos. Great performer and very friendly.

Hook.

Went there 3 times. Negatives. The place is too small (or, too many tables for the space), and too dark. Otherwise I really like the place. Mandatory drink. I don't recall how much. 100 pesos? Normal US prices. Talent. Pretty good, but no hot girls. The hottest girls are still at Black and Hippo (though obviously there's a lot of overlap). More guys than girls, but many guys there weren't really looking to take a girl. About 15-20 girls working. I took out two girls on two different nights - 800 pesos and 1000 pesos. Each stayed one hour. Both were quite good performers. Good times.

Cafe Orleans.

Old or fat or ugly. Or all three.

Summary. Hook was the best bang for the buck, you could say... But, I'd have to say, I really regret passing up that one girl I saw at Black on Thursday. She could pass for a smoking hot co-ed back in the States. In my experience fucking around the world, there aren't many places where you can find that, especially with facial features.

The day time casas can be very good deals, but it's pain in the ass to keep up with the latest ones. Unlike Medellin, where the casas are open for years at the same location, the ones in BA tend to open and close frequently. For the occasional visitor, this is maddening. Luckily, my buddy did most of the research on the casas.

Overall, BA is just too expensive to go often. I go maybe once every 3-4 years. For the quality of the girls and cost, nothing beats Medellin (or FKK). But to me, BA is more about just fucking. The city is beautiful, the food / wine is excellent, and the fucking ain't bad...Looking at my notes, I think I banged about 9.1 chicas for what you paid. It also explains why these prices are tolerated. Thanks for the cuntribution.

[Lucas90]

Visited all of these places recently (apart from the casas) and agree with a lot of your observations although I came up with a very different set of numbers for Hippopotamus. Most of my outings on this trip were repeats with chicas I knew from previous visits – either I'm getting older and pickier or there just aren't that many 8's or 9's around any more. When Black and Madahos closed last year, the best girls headed off to Mexico, Chile and Spain – the chicas follow the money. The surviving clubs raised their drink prices and put pressure on the girls to charge at 'tourist only' rates, even though most of them don't measure up to these prices in terms of their looks. I still visit these high end clubs because I value the entertainment, the late night scene and the chance to chat and have fun with the girls. If not I could sit in a corner in Exedra until 3 am nursing a coffee and save a packet, but there's no fun value in that. Arguably the best way of using the clubs is to treat them as a 'loss leader', take the opportunity to see lots of girls, be selective in your choice and get the phone numbers of the chicas you like and then arrange to repeat with them away from the club. For guys on short visits that's not always an option and that's why the chicas can still ask for 400 dollars or higher and get taken. I can't blame a guy for splashing out for a special girl especially when in some cities back home an equivalent woman would cost double for half the time, but it distorts the market for guys who live in BA or on long stays.

On the clubs, better if I post in the relevant threads, but should mention here that I was consistently charged 300 pesos for drinks at Hippo (once 350 for a particular brand of imported gin). Chica drinks were 600 (short time) or 800 (unlimited time or a dancer). I had two outings from this club, one with a salon chica, the other with a dancer. I knew the first of these from another club on a previous trip and she cut me a very good deal after I hesitated. The dancer was willing to negotiate and I ended up with a figure a long way below the 400 dollars mentioned in FlyingMongoose's report (in real terms at the blue rate) for two hours. She met my expectations and I repeated with her on other nights away from the club. I always negotiate in pesos and if the chica mentions dollars, I simply tell her that I'm not American and don't deal in dollars. Late in the night, if they haven't already pulled, chicas will sometimes agree to meet elsewhere after the club has closed, or you might run into them afterwards in one or other of the smaller clubs that carry on until 6 am, where their asking price will be much less. On one night a pair of dancers (who I'd tipped a few times for lap dances) whistled at me as I was leaving the club, and this type of 'afters' is on the cards if you've already broken the ice earlier in the night and shown interest. The clubs are wise to this though, which is why the waiters jump in quickly as soon as they see you in deep conversation with a girl. Tipping the waiters can get them on side, and on return visits to Hippo I was able to negotiate the 600 drink with dancers instead of the 800.

As for the casas, they are not for me. Daytime P4 P has very limited appeal and when I did try these places years ago, I hated picking from a line-up and the bad feeling when you have to walk away because none of them are attractive enough or if the whole place has a bad vibe. There are subtle ways of rejecting a chica in a club, but the privado system is just too cold and impersonal for my taste. For me though one of the good things about BA is that so many options still exist to suit all tastes and price ranges.

Agree totally about Café Orleans and Hook. Drink prices in Hook now start at 120 pesos. It's a fun place to visit although I very seldom find any chicas there that I want to go with. Maybe because the place is so dark that I never manage to spot them!

[Big Boss Man]

I am returning to BA in May. The best price recently I have seen on a Hippo dancer is 2500 P. Of course throw in a drinks and tips and you are headed for a 4000 P night. Is that a reasonable number or could one do better? I have actually never taken a dancer (only sideliners) from either Hippo or Madahos because it has been beyond my budget.

[TejanoLibre]

Please clarify what you had to drink for 750 Fucking pesos!

It must have been a Call drink because recently the Cover or Drink price, which IS the same was 200 for a local drink and 300 for a Corona.

You must have had a Johnny Walker Screw Label!

Blue!

Thanks,

TL.

If not they jumped from 200 to 750 in a month!

[Lucas90]

I am returning to BA in May. The best price recently I have seen on a Hippo dancer is 2500 P. Of course throw in a drinks and tips and you are headed for a 4000 P night. Is that a reasonable number or could one do better? I have actually never taken a dancer (only sideliners) from either Hippo or Madahos because it has been beyond my budget.BBM, glad to hear you've got another trip planned.

2500 P was indeed the figure I paid the Hippo dancer, although that was a special deal. For budgeting purposes I would reckon on 3000 as a baseline for the dancer's fee, with the club extras on top of that.

Not all the dancers are up for outings, but for those that do, the differential between their prices and the salon chicas was less than I had expected. The bad news is that a lot of the salon girls in Hippo are now asking 2000 or even 2500. The club puts pressure on them to charge that high and I'm guessing the same applies in Black. I can see the owners' logic – by encouraging higher prices, they can retain or attract better girls, which means more punters will be tempted to pay out for drinks. The problem is that most of the salon chicas are not worth that much, going on looks alone. That made me start to think seriously about the dancers, some of whom are genuinely hot. Like you, I had thought of these girls as being well out of reach, but the local boards told me that 3000 or maybe slightly less with concessions on services might be on. It was a new game for me so I was interested to see where it might lead. At that time I was changing dollars at 11.5, so I figured 'now or never'. I had a fun time in my apartment with an exciting girl for about two hours with repeats on other nights for the peso equivalent of 220 dollars, so I was happy even though the up front investment was high.

As for other options, I made several visits to Hippo over that period. A number of dancers approached me for lap dances (often in pairs), or I would ask them if I spotted one I liked coming off the platform. It wasn't that hard to figure which ones might be interested and which were going through the motions. Some even volunteered their name at the end of the dance which seemed to be a sign that they could be up for some follow up action later. There were two in particular who I found extremely sexy, one blonde the other brunette and I ended up inviting each for a drink on separate nights. The blonde was very friendly and we soon clinched a deal. No name or detail on this one I'm afraid – she was just too good a find. The brunette was much more complicated (they always seem to be). I think she enjoyed playing a game with me, although I didn't mind playing along. We went through a whole set of menus, 5000 quickly down to 3000 for full service back at my apartment, although she came up with a reason why she didn't want to do it that particular night. Also on offer was a 'private dancer' option at 1000 for lap dances in a more secluded area of the club. And even a middle ground option for private dances with extras in a room onsite, time negotiable. I was going to go for the last of these, but by the time we had gone round in circles on the negotiation, the club was nearly closing and when the girl talked to the personnel to arrange it, the answer was that we could only have 10 minutes so I passed. On another night I did go for a 'private dancer' variation with this same chica in the empty far corner of the main area of the club late on. No strip permitted but she let me caress and even kiss her lower body as she danced right up close. I think we spent best part of an hour like that (we were about the last to leave), tipping her every few dances as we went along. She was wearing incredibly tight denim shorts with cut-outs and we messed around as I kept trying to feed the notes through the little gaps in her outfit. A real spark and good onda with this one although I'm guessing she would have led me a merry dance had I actually got her back to my apartment.

The downside on dancers is that their primary role is to dance, not fuck. They are picky about who they go with and when, and may not deliver all the services that the salon chicas should provide. You only have to look at a recent post in the Hippo thread for some dancer XP where the member wasted his money on a girl that had no interest in performing. It's a risky and pricey option but if you don't try, you'll never know.

After reading the debate a few weeks back about club pricing in the Café Orleans thread, I thought long and hard about whether to post at all about this type of XP. If it comes across as bragging, that isn't the intent. I enjoy reliving the experiences by writing about them, partly to banish the blues of being back in sex prison, but it's mainly to help out other guys who might visit the clubs and otherwise get completely taken for a ride. By posting about the prices, members get an idea about the baseline figures for the venues and can make up their own mind if they want to spend that much. It's also key to negotiation to know what the current realistic asking price is in a particular club. If these figures were common knowledge, it would be harder for girls to charge inflated rates aimed specifically at foreign tourists and Yanks in particular.

The other valid point made was about VFM chicas used by BA residents reading these posts and realising how much more they could be earning, then upping their prices. Chicas all have smart phones these days and are much more internet savvy than when AP started. Posting in detail about a named chica and her price plan can also be a recipe for a bad outcome, even when you say nice things about them. Not posting prices above a certain limit might address some of these concerns, but it hampers the guys who want to explore the higher end scene. I've kept these comments on prices out of the Hippopotamus thread, to be discreet. Enforcing a private logon on certain areas of the site would make it less easy for the providers to see the price details and XP, although site usage levels might drop as a result.