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As I posted on the NP tread most clubs I go to have declined lately. Not being a privado guy I can't say from my own experiences but from what I have read they also get raided left right and center, and there is a powerful pressure group that are trying its best to close them.
Prices for girls have also started to get ridiculous disengaged from the real economy. When a girl want the same for sucking your dick as a doctor make in a weekend shift running the main hospital in town something is wrong!
Also the attitude has changed. The sweet girl that needed an income and liked sex and did tricks from time to time is all but extinct.
Hardcore hookers are plentiful, but hey so they are in more or less any other place on earth, and probably cheaper too.
All this has gotten me to the conclusion that the time for BA as a serious mongering destination is over. There are so many other places with cheaper, sweeter and less pro pussy, on all continents.
I still like BA, but for mongering not anymore. If it were like this when I started to come here a few years ago I probably would have traveled on. That's what I did in Uruguay, after 3 weeks I left and did not come back.
Even me, a hardcore BA addictive has been playing with the thought of relocating to Brazil. My main objection is that my Spanish is come to the level that I can stop being treated as the stupid tourist all places. I don't feel like starting back on zero learning Portuguese. But that is probably my main objection. Had Brazil been a Spanish speaking country I probably would have given it a second shot.
I really liked the clubs in Sau Paulo, lots of hot girls, and they where a lot sweeter in attitude than in BA. I got a girl that was hot and seriously interested in being my GF, first night in town! Actually had contact with her for 3 years after, she only hooked for a short while. All the other girls I meet where also really cool girls and several wanted to link up for long term.
I found the whole experience of trying to get a steady GF in Argentina quite frustrating. And I have spent a ridicules amount of time, money and effort on this; probably more than most guys on this forum, jeje, trust me! And I know plenty of other that have gone in the same trap, although not on my level.
While in most countries a poor girl would like the opportunely to increase her standard of living and prospects for future by seeing a well off foreigner, that is not a biggie here.
The girls from the provicia / Villa sure will take you for a ride and play you alone, often for a long time. But there is ALWAYS a local boyfriend in the background!
At the end of the day most of the girls want to live in the shitty neighborhoods they are born, and link up with a succession of loser boyfriends that gets them pregnant and beat them silly. Sad but true.
I remember last summer DaddyRulez and me was walking in the parks and by the waterfront after Porte Madero many days. There where hundreds of hundreds of incredible hot girls all walking with some looser that never worked a day in their life. And a few years ago when I used to go to regular discos 6 days a week (I took Mondays off, jeje), it never stopped to amaze me seeing all the hot club girls with they douschbag boyfriends.
And like it is said you can take the trash out of the trailer but you can't take the trailer out of the trash. Here it is you can take the puta out of the villa, but you can never take the villa out of the puta!
So to sum it up:
-Shitty clubs.
-Unsafe brothel environment.
-Expensive.
-Girls that will take advantage of you.
So I think the party in BA is over.
Stranger.
Can't disagree with anything there!
Although, if your Spanish is usable, it really wouldn't take you long to get up to speed in Portuguese. The grammar is virtually identical. Even the vocabulary is pretty similar, the only thing that would throw you is the pronunciation. I did it in reverse. I came here as a Portuguese speaker and it took me a couple of months to start feeling comfortable with Spanish.
And having just come back from a couple of weeks holiday in Brasil I'm still kicking myself for ever having switched to Argentina over 7 years ago!
Yeah, this has all the pathetic symptoms of a gone case. But moving forward, we can benefit from an autopsy. There are many factors to the situation we find ourselves in.
The chica drink system is one of them. I don't know where this system comes from, but it is arrogant as hell. The only other place I have seen this system is in Thailand, an equally dead country.
But at least in Thailand, the girls get somewhat naked in the strip clubs. Argentina is the only place in the world I have been where girls do not get naked in strip clubs. Instead, they ignore you. And if you manage a few words with a lady, the bar staff descend on you with maddening quickness and start begging for you to buy a drink (and they demand a personal drink and tip for themselves in the process). Did I mention these drinks are priced on average around $50 USD (aggregating all the clubs). The kirchner's kidz completely destroy any chemistry you might be trying to brew with the lady you're speaking with. But if you make the mistake of buying the lady a drink, you will then be met with an obscene demand for payment, to the degree of a ransom. Think $700 USD for an hour. we cant kid ourselves about the fact that these chicas are kirchner's kidz as well, not just the staff. the two of them (the staff and the chicas) are gaming us like sport. they are the paddles, and we are the ball. So after door cover (usually $30 USD) and your drink (avg $20 USD), you have maybe one chica to take a chance on with a drink before you are already running into the ceiling of whether or not this bullshit is going to be worth it or not. Remember we haven't even gotten to her fee yet, and if she's a little asshole in disguise (which she invariably is), then you're shot for the evening. You're literally better off just jacking off. But you're still out a tidy sum for the privilege to learn the night had bollocks in the bag for you.
It almost smacks of a situation where men vastly outnumber women, and the women are literally paid more to stay than they would ever get consorting with you. The bars aren't as despicable as they are in Thailand, but they are pretty god damned close. They are dishonest to say the very least, they are cramped as fuck, and they are not functional bars in the slightest.
Like I said, this system comes from an abject embarrassment of riches on the part of the handful of girls that work there. Extreme wealth is not made during times of abundance, but instead, during times of abject shortage. This economic crisis didn't drain the world of money, it transferred nearly all of it into the hands of a very very few. The scene, I think, reflects that.
The government plays a role in all of this as well, as its impact on chica psychology is undeniable. These girls are the bastard kids of single subsidized moms. They are bred for war, not peace. When you have a stability of any kind, it actually plays AGAINST you for their affections because you are not appealing to the sensibility of someone bred for wartime. As a result, these girls think LESS of you if you are stable. They are bred to make babies by the time they are 15, in order to stay absolutely hooked on govt. , ie kirchner's kidz! The sons are ground up alive. They are destined to feed either one of 2 houses of kirchner, the prison industrial complex, or the military industrial complex. Boy or girl, either way, she feeds on meals of blood, and she eats WELL. This explains why these girls can't manage to keep schedules, or even manage basic business. Furthermore, because the govt will always care for their every need, they are not driven by practicality anymore, as much as they are by the novelty of feelings.
That's why drug dealers appeal more to their hypergamous instincts. Drugs are more of a novelty, and they instigate feelings, so they are the real currency now, not money (which they get for free, by way of kirchner's extortion of well, you). Also, since drugs are illegal, the people you need to know to get the stuff are pretty evil, so if you can obtain the good stuff safely, you shield her from those elements. This makes her love you, even if you don't otherwise bother to wash your hands after you wipe. Show me a situation that doesn't add up, and I'll show you a situation where drugs fill in the gaps of the equation, ya dig? This is also why these same women can't seem to leave supposedly abusive men. Its not the man who is irreplaceable, as much as it is the steady reliable quality of drugs she has access to through the relationship, that she won't have access to outside of it. (or least this is her real insecurity that she is unsure of if she leaves the dude.).
And the govt knows this too. It has designed and laid out the system to function as such. Please don't mistake this situation for a comedy of errors. All of these principles of psychology have been discovered and experimented with since roman times. Everything is going brilliantly and beautifully according to plan.
Boys, you might be playing the game too straight. If you're not playing crooked cards, the house will ALWAYS win. Maybe we have to start procuring drugs, or maybe we just have to take our dick and go home, but either way, the only this lady drink system is good for, is the lunch special.
Big Boss Man
07-10-14, 00:37
Yeah, this has all the pathetic symptoms of a gone case. But moving forward, we can benefit from an autopsy. There are many factors to the situation we find ourselves in.
The chica drink system is one of them. I don't know where this system comes from, but it is arrogant as hell. The only other place I have seen this system is in Thailand, an equally dead country.
But at least in Thailand, the girls get somewhat naked in the strip clubs. Argentina is the only place in the world I have been where girls do not get naked in strip clubs. Instead, they ignore you. And if you manage a few words with a lady, the bar staff descend on you with maddening quickness and start begging for you to buy a drink (and they demand a personal drink and tip for themselves in the process). Did I mention these drinks are priced on average around $50 USD (aggregating all the clubs). The kirchner's kidz completely destroy any chemistry you might be trying to brew with the lady you're speaking with. But if you make the mistake of buying the lady a drink, you will then be met with an obscene demand for payment, to the degree of a ransom. Think $700 USD for an hour.
What club is it that charges $700 for an hour? Was that a typo? The highest I can think of would be with a Hippo dancer where I would guess you would have to pay 3000 P plus another 1000 P for drinks and taxis so maybe $350 to $400 at a 11.50 to $1 exchange rate. I am very curious as to what countries you prefer? I think Thailand and Buenos Aires are good comparison price points right now as to taking out club dancers and the pricing for daytime sex. Thanks for your thoughts.
Big Boss Man
07-10-14, 01:07
The girls from the provicia / Villa sure will take you for a ride and play you alone, often for a long time. But there is ALWAYS a local boyfriend in the background!
-Girls that will take advantage of you.
So I think the party in BA is over.
Stranger.For the first time, I tried dating a chica exclusive over a 3 week period. The chica definitely was able to compartmentalize which probably meant someone in the background. She is a nice girl but I definitely bumped into some of the hard edges that seem to go with the lifestyle. For example, I caught her calculating the money she would make over the time I was there. I was already the proverbial "sure thing. " It turns out she was calculating because she wanted a new bed and a kitchen table and chairs. I would have probably just bought them for her if she asked. And the night I was leaving, she said that "It was only for the moment. " So she is definitely willing to string me along. My Dad used to have a cartoon posted on his garage wall that said, "A fool and his money are soon parted. " The picture was of a curvaceous chick and a guy with his tongue hanging out. So true so true.
The popo and politics have killed the club scene. Other than newport and an an occasional trip to the triangle club of the moment, I have been primarily using the internet and scening via AP or more recently the locale spanish forros. The semi pros are met through their friends on the net who are reviewed repeatedly on the forros. Pricing for baires girls ranges from 400 to 600 pesos and you have some idea what you getting if you read and think:
http://www.foroescortsar.com/foros/f19/
Some work out and some don't. More research= higher probability of hitting gold. Some are mercenary and some like to party. Regularls like the stranger and the locales can adopt. For guys coming once per year for a long weekend, lower probability of gold without game and conversational spanish of sorts.
Next possible internet upgrade with all sorts of reviews is solo which generally ranges from 600 to 1200 pesos per 1 hour.
http://www.foroescortsar.com/foros/f109/
Solo has a higher probability of hitting an englsih speaker, but you still to have some level of game to get to know the girl and get more than close to an hour without them checking the meter like a taxi driver.
http://www.foroescortsar.com/foros/f109/
I did this girl more than a few times alexis--about 40--very tight pussy gorgeous milfie type and more than enough english for a real conversation. She loves USA electric blues. Put on some alert king and treat her nice, if she is free she will hang and accept a dinner invite.
http://www.soloindependientes.com/escort.php?idEscort=569&idFotoCategoria=604
Her last review is from may, 2014 600 pesos.
The club scene of a few years ago has changed and evolved--it is less inviting every 6 months that passes. With some basic spanish, the internet can work fairly well. If you generally act like a trick, you will always be treated like a trick.
The club scene has been pretty much dead for me for a few years. I also have been spending less time in BA because of all of the socio-economic changes.
DADDY--tell the boys about the 400 to 600 pesos girls who are a good time!
Daddy Rulz
07-10-14, 04:43
DADDY--tell the boys about the 400 to 600 pesos girls who are a good time!Every time I do, they go walking in on my recommendation, then pay over the current rate. This is after I have told them specifically, generally two to three times, the charge is X. XX pay no more than that.
Then when I return I always, seriously every time, have to answer the question of "why aren't you giving me as much as your friend did?" If I don't know you, know you, it's not going to happen. The last guy that did that has at current count, cost me about 200 dollars. Gee, thanks buddy. I do at times publish links of the ones I know to be solid providers but don't bang anymore. Here is a 400 peso chick if you like unfinished tattoos and a little (a little) baby damage doesn't bother you. She's one of the naughtiest (as Stranger likes to say) chicks I've ever banged. No tits, nice ass, fucking loves getting smashed fucked and gives great and very, very enthusiastic head. Certainly not the prettiest chick in the world, but she fucks like a banshee. http://www.bairesgirls.net/escorts/Vall_15-3757-1264_12484.htm
You on the other hand my friend have access to the library. Shoot me a PM and tell me what you like and I'll send you some links.
DR.
Every time I do, they go walking in on my recommendation, then pay over the current rate. This is after I have told them specifically, generally two to three times, the charge is X. XX pay no more than that.
Then when I return I always, seriously every time, have to answer the question of "why aren't you giving me as much as your friend did?" If I don't know you, know you, it's not going to happen. The last guy that did that has at current count, cost me about 200 dollars. Gee, thanks buddy. I do at times publish links of the ones I know to be solid providers but don't bang anymore. Here is a 400 peso chick if you like unfinished tattoos and a little (a little) baby damage doesn't bother you. She's one of the naughtiest (as Stranger likes to say) chicks I've ever banged. No tits, nice ass, fucking loves getting smashed fucked and gives great and very, very enthusiastic head. Certainly not the prettiest chick in the world, but she fucks like a banshee. http://www.bairesgirls.net/escorts/Vall_15-3757-1264_12484.htm
You on the other hand my friend have access to the library. Shoot me a PM and tell me what you like and I'll send you some links.
DR.Especially us who live on PESOS (Me. Yes its true) really don't appreciate anyone inflating the going rate. And doing it on ones recommended by those who live here is no help to anyone least of all yourself. IN this case absolutely Daddy (Ruiz) knows better. ANd just to add my two sense in I know for a fact that a lot of my working girl friends did anything they could to get to brazil to work this month...DUH eurotourists wanting to fool around and so of course the ones who look good and make money could afford to go and did... end of world cup plus two or three weeks of since i am already in brazil let me hit a beach get a tan and sun and then back to ba and to work....the beautiful has not gone from ba...just went for some easy picking for a month a bus ride away... at least thats how i read this
If going to a high end club is your thing, not happening in a reasonably pleasant manner in BA, I agree. My posting was not intended as a put down of anyone's style.
High end clubs were never more than an occasional thing for me: too many sharks or robotic poor experiences.
BA has clearly changed and will continue changing. there is a long history of the "gatita" in ba. it will morph into something else
Daddy Rulz
07-10-14, 12:41
If going to a high end club is your thing, not happening in a reasonably pleasant manner in BA, I agree. My posting was not intended as a put down of anyone's style.
High end clubs were never more than an occasional thing for me: too many sharks or robotic poor experiences.
BA has clearly changed and will continue changing. there is a long history of the "gatita" in ba. it will morph into something elseI was talking about apartments, and indy's, not clubs.
Big Boss Man
07-10-14, 22:47
Fun and success, however, were another matter. To say he lived high on the hog would be an understatement. By his own estimate he spent $100 m on drugs, drink, women and high living in just one decade. He had 14 mistresses on his personal payroll. ("If it floats, flies or fucks," he once said, it was better to rent than to buy.) Felix Dennis.
http://www.economist.com/news/obituary/21606234-felix-dennis-hedonist-and-media-magnate-died-june-22nd-aged-67-felix-dennis
I think this is where I am going wrong. I keep thinking girlfriends and I should be thinking mistresses. It is a better model. It actually lowers expectations. Expectations are what trip me up sometimes.
Haven't been reading AP all that often the last year or two. Most of my old friends on AP are only past history. Daddy--we don't really know each other, but thanks!
I was planning on two weeks in Ba this August, but reading AP has me thinking of going elsewhere.
I like Medellin quite a bit--been there on three trips over the last year. It is only 3 hours from miami. I don't really know Medellin nor feel as much affection towards the paisas as some of my porteno friends. The women are just not as elegant and sophisticated as the portenas. The paisas are generally much nicer and more generally responsive to being appreciated and treated well.
I am quite accustomed to colombians in miami. The paisas --people from Medellin-- are a different breed. I mean that with warm feeling towards the paisas.
Member #3320
07-11-14, 05:29
Miami Bob,
We will like to see you"r' ass here in BA in mid August. Don't be discouraged by the reports. We will find some good mongering for you here, when you arrive!
What club is it that charges $700 for an hour? Was that a typo? The highest I can think of would be with a Hippo dancer where I would guess you would have to pay 3000 P plus another 1000 P for drinks and taxis so maybe $350 to $400 at a 11.50 to $1 exchange rate. I am very curious as to what countries you prefer? I think Thailand and Buenos Aires are good comparison price points right now as to taking out club dancers and the pricing for daytime sex. Thanks for your thoughts.I only wish that were a typo. No, she actually had the fucking nerve to ask for $700 USD! I told her to fuck no. She tried to insist??? it was weird.
As far as countries I prefer, its not so much the country as it is the time in history. The world seems to jump exactly the same way in regard to our little hobby. I remember the late 90's in Europe. I was having sex so much my dick protested one day. I will never forget that LOL! Ahhh, those were the days. Solid 7's and 8's all day, no problem. Hell, even in my hometown here in the USA, the early 2000's were a dream. Again, solid 7's and 8's all day. The financial crash (-read- wealth transfer) and the hypervigilant statist policies that came thereafter played their part in destroying the quality once found in the world's oldest profession. The talent drain is undeniable. When you have 20 something year old kids coming home with 7 digits on their w2's, they are plucking anything 7 and up straight out of the discos before they even have a chance to worry about the rent.
The Thailand I saw was in 2012. It was the sad hollow exoskeleton of something long fossilized. Artifacts are all that remain. No comparison between Thailand and BA.
The USA has been equally dead since 2004, but if you never knew of it, you would never conclude that we too had a scene. No artifacts or remains. BA is still in the phase of the final days of the USA.
A great cross section of ladies us $140 to $300 per hour. Choice sweet spot is $160 to $200. There are all sorts of choices and different review sources. The odds are not with you if you are only choosing ladies from photos on back page--you need reliable sources of intel.
AP has a sister publication. In se florida there is a great board with both female--working girls and male--customers reviewing each other and. You will need to do some google work. I am not going to link admin USA competition.
AP sister website is:
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/forumdisplay.php?42-Florida
I do NOT recommend the street walkers. Back page is generally horrible. Membership chooses what to review, not the ADMIN.
If I come to Argentina, this board has zero to offer me, except to contact a few friends.
I also know not to waste time at the boliche gatita clubs.
I'll spend evenings with argentinos I know and monger off the net during the day.
Off to Medellin, next week.
If I come to Argentina, this board has zero to offer me, except to contact a few friends.Thanks Bob.
I'm glad you appreciate my efforts to offer everyone a completely free forum.
Jax.
Jackson--nothing posted was a comment about you personally. Thank you for providing this free forum.
Jackson--nothing posted was a comment about you personally. Thank you for providing this free forum.Hey Bob,
I assumed that. I was just taking the wide open opportunity to break your balls.
See you next time you're in BA.
Thanks,
Jax.
Saturday night the mansion is having a bull riding competition, but the girl sits on a dildo attached to the bull. Your girl Geraldine is favored to win. (Where is the Toymann when you really need his expertise).
I consider my balls busted.
TejanoLibre
07-25-14, 21:13
Saturday night the mansion is having a bull riding competition: but the girl sits on a dildo attached to the bull. Your girl geraldine is favored to win. {where is the toymann when you really need his expertise].
I consider my balls busted.Yes Bob!
Anal Cowgirls!
A while back I hung out in BA with the Owners from The Mansion in Medellin.
We toured the Recoleta clubs mainly.
Started at Newport but we ended up at Hippo's.
There were 9 of us and the Wild Bunch would not settle for anything less than a Dancing 10 because that is what they were use to in Medellin.
Out of control!
Great guys!
Have Fun Bob!
TL.
Saturday night the mansion is having a bull riding competition, but the girl sits on a dildo attached to the bull. Your girl Geraldine is favored to win.I had a session with Geraldine in September. In a word: Terrible. I sponsored a stripper party at Liquid Lounge in which Geraldine was a participant. We made a deal to go to my hotel after the party. However, in the middle of the stripper party (and I mean right in the middle of the show), in an exhibition of incredibly poor manners, she left to go fuck another guy. When she returned an hour later the party was still going and I decided to ignore her low-class behavior and try to salvage what was left of the night, so we went to my hotel. In spite of the recreational substances she delighted in consuming, the service was completely perfunctory and appalling bad, and I sent her out the door a few minutes after I finished what amounted to vaginal masturbation.
I wouldn't repeat, and I wouldn't recommend that anyone else have a date with her.
Where is the Toymann when you really need his expertise.Who gives a fuck, so long as he's not here exhibiting the symptoms of "Over-priced Chica Derangement Syndrome".
Jax.
ElAlamoPalermo
07-26-14, 00:41
I had a session with Geraldine in September. In a word: Terrible. I sponsored a stripper party at Liquid Lounge in which Geraldine was a participant. We made a deal to go to my hotel after the party. However, in the middle of the stripper party (and I mean right in the middle of the show), in an exhibition of incredibly poor manners, she left to go fuck another guy. When she returned an hour later the party was still going and I decided to ignore her low-class behavior and try to salvage what was left of the night, so we went to my hotel. In spite of the recreational substances she delighted in consuming, the service was completely perfunctory and appalling bad, and I sent her out the door a few minutes after I finished what amounted to vaginal masturbation.
I wouldn't repeat, and I wouldn't recommend that anyone else have a date with her.
Who gives a fuck, so long as he's not here exhibiting the symptoms of "Over-priced Chica Derangement Syndrome".
Jax.Geraldine, aka "Demi Moore" has been conning mongers, getting passed around and fucked every which way since at least 2009; by now she must be a very high mileage hard core to the bone professional puta.
Wild Walleye
07-31-14, 17:37
Maybe the 2015 devaluation will put Argie poon back into the bargain basement?
Daddy Rulz
07-31-14, 20:24
Maybe the 2015 devaluation will put Argie poon back into the bargain basement?I think what's really changed here are the number of chicks that USED to have jobs but no longer do. The majority of the girls, especially the clubs girls have CHOSEN this lifestyle. Back in 2003-4 there were a lot more chicks that used to be something else. I don't know if it will translate into lower prices, but most of those chicks that were something else wanted to maintain some kind of illusion that what was going on was something besides a cold commercial transaction. Back then about 1 in 3 was up for doing something besides banging you for an hour or two.
Time will tell.
Member #3320
08-01-14, 01:47
. I don't know if it will translate into lower prices,
Time will tell.I personally feel it will translate to higher prices. Its like the way the onions and tomatos go costly with every devaluation of peso. So does the chica prices. However, in day to day life, a person just can not do without a onion or a tomato. So what does the common man do? Just buy the onion without considering the prices.
Now, will the common man also continue paying for these inflated chica prices like he does for the onions? Can the common man do, without a chica and just be satisfied with having a fuck or two with his fat and old wife?
Will the chicas consider lowering the prices, so that the common man can afford them or will they think, let me have the inflated prices and let the stupid sex tourists coming to BA pay me my inflated prices! To hell with the woes of the common man of BA!!
With the devaluation, will the sex tourists increase in number? Will these stupid sex tourists be naive enough to think , now I can get cheap pussy in Argentina because the peso is devalued. Only to end up paying the inflated pussy rate in pesos. And thus, this becoming a win win situation both for the working girl and the stupid sex tourist. And the losers being the common man here and the poor hardened expats, who know what exactly is going on with the prices versus real value!
Well, only time will tell how, this will unfold!
I think you will see a little of both. Some girls will ask for more and others less. I am seeing a little bit of this already. There are girls advertising again for as low as 100 p and I see others with multiple ads all with different prices. Lets face it, most locals are losing ground on what I will call their entertainment budget. With prices going up in all sectors and people having less disposable income, entertainment is the easiest area to cut spending. This isn't just for chicas, but bars, restaurants, clubs, etc. Most girls will follow the true argie method of raising their prices so they make more money trying to compensate for less work. Another factor will be more girls entering the work force. These are girls just trying to make ends meet. Many already have jobs or are in school or. Most looking for another 500 or 1000 pesos monthly just to get by. As you can imagine a lot of these girls are not overly attractive or skilled which will limit how much money they an ask for. But they are finding customers and undercutting the higher priced girls. I also think this is more prevalent out here in the boondocks then in the city. There being many more "financially challenged" people out this way. Making things even more complicated is the gov'ts closing of most boliches where many girls could always go to make a little money at their leisure. For the short term I think Argentina is changing, lets hope it doesn't change too much!
Daddy Rulz
08-01-14, 11:53
Most girls will follow the true argie method of raising their prices so they make more money trying to compensate for less work.I called a chick I see on occasion. Not great but a good solid provider for the price. She told me she had raised her rate by 40% (200 pesos more an hour) and tried to cover with "I'm only working half as much time" and was genuinely surprised when I told her "thanks, but no thanks at that price. " It's like living in Seinfeldland sometimes. Nonstop free amusement.
Latinalover
08-02-14, 07:26
I have never been to Argentina but it has been on my radar for years, this may be the time to go. My experience traveling to other Latin American countries, in times of economic downturn have generally been good. My question is how did the last default affect the mongering scene in Argentina?
Checked the exchanged rate the day of the default and it was 8.2, it's still the same today, 8.2.
Update: Just checked Reuters and it has the peso dropping 4.4% to 12.95 on the 'Blue' market, whatever that is.
I have never been to Argentina but it has been on my radar for years, this may be the time to go. My experience traveling to other Latin American countries, in times of economic downturn have generally been good. My question is how did the last default affect the mongering scene in Argentina?
Checked the exchanged rate the day of the default and it was 8. 2, it's still the same today, 8. 2.On the streets is 12+. But with inflation you need the extra money you get changing money on the street.
I personally feel it will translate to higher prices. Its like the way the onions and tomatos go costly with every devaluation of peso. So does the chica prices. However, in day to day life, a person just can not do without a onion or a tomato. So what does the common man do? Just buy the onion without considering the prices.
Now, will the common man also continue paying for these inflated chica prices like he does for the onions? Can the common man do, without a chica and just be satisfied with having a fuck or two with his fat and old wife?
Will the chicas consider lowering the prices, so that the common man can afford them or will they think, let me have the inflated prices and let the stupid sex tourists coming to BA pay me my inflated prices! To hell with the woes of the common man of BA!!
With the devaluation, will the sex tourists increase in number? Will these stupid sex tourists be naive enough to think , now I can get cheap pussy in Argentina because the peso is devalued. Only to end up paying the inflated pussy rate in pesos. And thus, this becoming a win win situation both for the working girl and the stupid sex tourist. And the losers being the common man here and the poor hardened expats, who know what exactly is going on with the prices versus real value!
Well, only time will tell how, this will unfold!I suggest that it doesn't make any difference what the "sex tourists" do because they are less than 5% of the market.
Big Boss Man
08-02-14, 16:03
I suggest that it doesn't make any difference what the "sex tourists" do because they are less than 5% of the market.Actually I do think the sex tourists affect the expatriates in terms of pricing. The chicas do not distinguish between those of us who live in BA, who are on vacation and who are on business (lodging, food and travel paid). Each of these groups are going to have different attitudes about pricing.
Like WorldTraveler69 is our geographer, the Board needs a secret buyer. Each month near the same time the secret buyer would do a one hour session at say Barby's, http://www.ciudadmasajes.com.ar/sites/mg/public/app/chicas/ and Hook. Right now I would think that could be done for around 450 P + 700 P +1600 P a month so it would cost say for $11 k plus or minus and the Board could have a 4-year time series study.
Daddy Rulz
08-02-14, 16:47
I suggest that it doesn't make any difference what the "sex tourists" do because they are less than 5% of the market.I would agree on principle (hey it's his site) but I would suggest that since valuation in Argentina has no relationship to the market and is based, as we have all agreed, on what the seller of the good or service perceives the buyer is ABLE to pay, that the "Sex Tourists" while not moving the majority of the market, move the hell out of what these chicas "perceive" anybody else from "there" can pay and move the market on us. They don't discriminate between Yankees that have read this forum and the drunk yankee that left with that pig Juanita last night and paid her 150 dolares.
We have all seen, over and over ad nausium, "she decided to take nothing, rather than 200 pesos less. " There is no fucking way the old porteno that left with the hot blond from exedra two nights ago had the 1500 pesos she insisted I pay her, and would not budge a bit, two weeks ago, no way in hell.
The chicas do not distinguish between those of us who live in BA, who are on vacation and who are on business (lodging, food and travel paid).Of course they do.
For one thing, "those of us who live in BA" are potential regular customers that may lead to a maintenance "arrangement", whereas those "who are on vacation and who are on business" are perceived more as one time targets.
Thanks,
Jax.
Peter Sideburn
08-03-14, 04:11
Jackson, If you could start collecting this I will consider volunteering my services for team. Of course, it would be a great burden, but if I have to sample the selections in the area in order to grease the skids for my fellow members, then as I will ask not what my board members can do for me, but rather what I can do for them. I do believe this should be done far more frequently though to assure there is a better estimation of the mean and standard deviation so I will likely need funding for 3-4 times a week. Please let me know when this system is set and I will consider this arduous task. Just kidding Boss Mann. Actually, I think it depends. The ladies I have met definitely want to know your situation there for many reasons and I believe are looking for repeat business, but they also look at what you wear and how much you have with you. I once had a lady say, without a second glance, "You have a Tag watch, a gold ring, and Doc Martins on and you are staying in Recoleta. You can afford me at 1500 pesos. " I replied (about 7 PM), I will be taking all that off and we can go to a shitty apartment if you would like but for 1200 pesos I will expect to see you in the morning making breakfast if we stay in my nice Recoleta apartment. We had ham, eggs, and Malbec. Many of these women are sleeping on couches or floors in shared apartments outside the city and if you can offer them a reasonable time with reciprocation, a clean bed, good manners, hygiene, and some food and champagne with Red Bull (there favorite) they will give you a discount. At the clubs the bartenders are definitely checking you out financially as well. They can tell who is just window shopping and who plans to really pickup. If you have cards and money stuffed in I assure you there will be two drink min. If instead, you only happen to have enough for one and the fee for the lady they nearly always let you go with only one drink at about 2 am because they know the chances of them getting you to buy the other drink and not have enough for the main course is 0 and the real chances of most the ladies finding someone after 2 am is under 10%.
Pete.
Actually I do think the sex tourists affect the expatriates in terms of pricing. The chicas do not distinguish between those of us who live in BA, who are on vacation and who are on business (lodging, food and travel paid). Each of these groups are going to have different attitudes about pricing.
Like WorldTraveler69 is our geographer, the Board needs a secret buyer. Each month near the same time the secret buyer would do a one hour session at say Barby's, http://www.ciudadmasajes.com.ar/sites/mg/public/app/chicas/ and Hook. Right now I would think that could be done for around 450 P + 700 P +1600 P a month so it would cost say for $11 k plus or minus and the Board could have a 4-year time series study.
TejanoLibre
08-03-14, 07:55
As long a T L is alive I can promise you that the party is just beginning!
I am coming out of my rut, discarding the garbage that has hung onto to me!
Disallowing the useless people that cling to my vines!
8 months without drugs, 4 months without cigs and 3 months without alcohol!
Thank you ,
TL.
Big Boss Man
08-03-14, 14:10
Jackson, If you could start collecting this I will consider volunteering my services for team. Of course, it would be a great burden, but if I have to sample the selections in the area in order to grease the skids for my fellow members, then as I will ask not what my board members can do for me, but rather what I can do for them. I do believe this should be done far more frequently though to assure there is a better estimation of the mean and standard deviation so I will likely need funding for 3-4 times a week. Please let me know when this system is set and I will consider this arduous task. Just kidding Boss Mann. Actually, I think it depends. The ladies I have met definitely want to know your situation there for many reasons and I believe are looking for repeat business, but they also look at what you wear and how much you have with you. I once had a lady say, without a second glance, "You have a Tag watch, a gold ring, and Doc Martins on and you are staying in Recoleta. You can afford me at 1500 pesos. " I replied (about 7 PM), I will be taking all that off and we can go to a shitty apartment if you would like but for 1200 pesos I will expect to see you in the morning making breakfast if we stay in my nice Recoleta apartment. We had ham, eggs, and Malbec. Many of these women are sleeping on couches or floors in shared apartments outside the city and if you can offer them a reasonable time with reciprocation, a clean bed, good manners, hygiene, and some food and champagne with Red Bull (there favorite) they will give you a discount. At the clubs the bartenders are definitely checking you out financially as well. They can tell who is just window shopping and who plans to really pickup. If you have cards and money stuffed in I assure you there will be two drink min. If instead, you only happen to have enough for one and the fee for the lady they nearly always let you go with only one drink at about 2 am because they know the chances of them getting you to buy the other drink and not have enough for the main course is 0 and the real chances of most the ladies finding someone after 2 am is under 10%.
Pete.At least you got my humor Pete which can be fairly dry. Of course, based on your writing you already failed the interview. I had only had one man in mind who I believe has the the integrity and perserverance to complete the job. Daddy Rulz. Of course, I do not believe he has ever been to Barby's or Cuidad Masajes or would even want to caught dead in one of those places. And he would probably negotiate a 20% discount at Hook so the rest of would be thinking we could actually get a chica out of there for 800 P + drinks and taxi. Being over 60, I am only interested in the before 2 AM price at Hook.
Peter Sideburn
08-03-14, 16:56
Too funny! Can't you imagine the Resumes submitted to Jackson's HR department for this position?
Pete.
At least you got my humor Pete which can be fairly dry. Of course, based on your writing you already failed the interview. I had only had one man in mind who I believe has the the integrity and perserverance to complete the job. Daddy Rulz. Of course, I do not believe he has ever been to Barby's or Cuidad Masajes or would even want to caught dead in one of those places. And he would probably negotiate a 20% discount at Hook so the rest of would be thinking we could actually get a chica out of there for 800 P + drinks and taxi. Being over 60, I am only interested in the before 2 AM price at Hook.
Daddy Rulz
08-03-14, 19:24
At least you got my humor Pete which can be fairly dry. Of course, based on your writing you already failed the interview. I had only had one man in mind who I believe has the the integrity and perserverance to complete the job. Daddy Rulz. Of course, I do not believe he has ever been to Barby's or Cuidad Masajes or would even want to caught dead in one of those places. And he would probably negotiate a 20% discount at Hook so the rest of would be thinking we could actually get a chica out of there for 800 P + drinks and taxi. Being over 60, I am only interested in the before 2 AM price at Hook.I have in fact been to Barby's, it's one of the few massage places where in my opinion they aren't over charging. My general objection to most of the rub and tug places is the "massage" turns out to be an upsell. The last time I looked they were asking around 200 to start the massage and by the time you got your sex on, they were charging an extra 400-450 for a walking out the door price of 600-650.
Barby's is one of the few places where you pays your money and you gets your hour. If you want to spend that fucking, or getting a massage, or doing a half and half, it's the same price. Last time I went (over a year ago) I paid 400 P, got a nice 30 minute massage, followed by a nice 25 minute banging.
Big Boss Man
08-03-14, 20:46
I have in fact been to Barby's, it's one of the few massage places where in my opinion they aren't over charging. My general objection to most of the rub and tug places is the "massage" turns out to be an upsell. The last time I looked they were asking around 200 to start the massage and by the time you got your sex on, they were charging an extra 400-450 for a walking out the door price of 600-650.
Barby's is one of the few places where you pays your money and you gets your hour. If you want to spend that fucking, or getting a massage, or doing a half and half, it's the same price. Last time I went (over a year ago) I paid 400 P, got a nice 30 minute massage, followed by a nice 25 minute banging.And a clean shower.
Last one I was with at Barby's was Isabella who I read is now working with Gysell. For Gysell's fans, I do not think you will be disappointed in terms of enthusiasm choosing Isy. Chemistry, of course is personal.
Just for the record, when I was calculating the $10 k study price I was thinking of my own pocket and not Jackson's. Today I even did google search on "crowdfunding" thinking this might be a project worthy of it.
Daddy Rulz
08-03-14, 22:50
Today I even did google search on "crowdfunding" thinking this might be a project worthy of it.As they would say in The Great State of Texas; "Bubba you just aint rait. ".
Member #3320
08-04-14, 00:07
Barby's is one of the few places where you pays your money and you gets your hour. If you want to spend that fucking, or getting a massage, or doing a half and half, it's the same price. Last time I went (over a year ago) I paid 400 P, got a nice 30 minute massage, followed by a nice 25 minute banging.I still go there once every 1-2 months and rarely ever got a bad service or a bad deal. Been going there for 2 years now and maybe 2-3% times had a below average experience there and rest of it has all been average, above average or excellent (mostly excellent).
For reasons best to known to them, some mongers here ridicule other mongers who go to Barby's. I am not sure, what's the joke here? I am NOT AT ALL ashamed of going there and admitting it. To hell with mongers, who find it funny.
A month or so ago:- a monger whom I have known for some years and really liked him a lot. However, sitting in US, somehow. He got the information from someone that I was at barby's that particular day. He had the audacity to send me a really scathing and spiteful whatsapp message ridiculing my ability to monger in BA --Just because I had been to Barbys!! What the f*&k!! I sent him a equally scathing message and since then we stopped exchanging messages.
But the bottom line is. What's so funny about it? I fail to understand!
And what is so "MACHO" in going and picking up a hooker in a nighclub OR having the so called "Black book" with telephone numbers of hookers ? Self. Been mongering in South America since the late 80's in the pre-internet culture when south america was a hidden gem. Have done it all! Mongering in boliches, nighclubs, street walkers, Black book hookers, privados etc.
Also, the fact that I live permanently here in a awesome building. Have regular girl friend ( not a ex hooker! ) / female friends who frequently come to my deptt for get togethers / parties. All my neighbors know me very well and even drop in my deptt for a cup of coffee at times. The building guards know me well. For me, its just perfect to go to Barby's and do my 'deed' in a discreet manner. I have stopped enjoying inviting unknown chicas to my department. Of course, their are people who will not care for their reputation especially here in Argentina or if one has no social life here other than meetng other mongers. But I do have a awesome social life here and I equally enjoy mongering or going to a good privado like Barby's.
Latinalover
08-04-14, 11:57
I still go there once every 1-2 months and rarely ever got a bad service or a bad deal. Been going there for 2 years now and maybe 2-3% times had a below average experience there and rest of it has all been average, above average or excellent (mostly excellent).
For reasons best to known to them, some mongers here ridicule other mongers who go to Barby's. I am not sure, what's the joke here? I am NOT AT ALL ashamed of going there and admitting it. To hell with mongers, who find it funny.
A month or so ago:- a monger whom I have known for some years and really liked him a lot. However, sitting in US, somehow. He got the information from someone that I was at barby's that particular day. He had the audacity to send me a really scathing and spiteful whatsapp message ridiculing my ability to monger in BA --Just because I had been to Barbys!! What the f*&k!! I sent him a equally scathing message and since then we stopped exchanging messages.
But the bottom line is. What's so funny about it? I fail to understand!
And what is so "MACHO" in going and picking up a hooker in a nighclub OR having the so called "Black book" with telephone numbers of hookers ? Self. Been mongering in South America since the late 80's in the pre-internet culture when south america was a hidden gem. Have done it all! Mongering in boliches, nighclubs, street walkers, Black book hookers, privados etc.
Also, the fact that I live permanently here in a awesome building. Have regular girl friend ( not a ex hooker! ) / female friends who frequently come to my deptt for get togethers / parties. All my neighbors know me very well and even drop in my deptt for a cup of coffee at times. The building guards know me well. For me, its just perfect to go to Barby's and do my 'deed' in a discreet manner. I have stopped enjoying inviting unknown chicas to my department. Of course, their are people who will not care for their reputation especially here in Argentina or if one has no social life here other than meetng other mongers. But I do have a awesome social life here and I equally enjoy mongering or going to a good privado like Barby's.Sounds like your living the dream to me!
TejanoLibre
08-05-14, 17:16
Anybody want all the 200 peso girls you can fuck?
Just remember that most Privado girls get about 40 to 45 percent of the take.
Find yourself a nice 300 peso Chica, if you can.
Take care of her and offer her a Finder's Fee for every 200 to 250 peso Chica that she can introduce to you that you eventually cut a deal with.
The girls will come out of the woodwork, they won't be case hardened pros and they will be girls that will honestly appreciate you and your money.
They may not be poster girls but many will surprise you or be diamonds in the rough.
Part timers, fresh off the banana boat, first timers!
Yeah Baby!
TL.
The Party is just beginning if you know where to find it .
Anybody want all the 200 peso girls you can fuck?
Just remember that most Privado girls get about 40 to 45 percent of the take.
Find yourself a nice 300 peso Chica, if you can.
Take care of her and offer her a Finder's Fee for every 200 to 250 peso Chica that she can introduce to you that you eventually cut a deal with.
The girls will come out of the woodwork, they won't be case hardened pros and they will be girls that will honestly appreciate you and your money.
They may not be poster girls but many will surprise you or be diamonds in the rough.
Part timers, fresh off the banana boat, first timers!
Yeah Baby!
TL.
The Party is just beginning if you know where to find it .Finally some one comes up with a plan! I've been doing this for years. But it doesn't always work. I remember a few years ago I was in a boliche that charged 220 for the hour. So after I spent a hour with this hottie I asked her how much would it be to see her outside the boliche. She promptly says 300 pesos. So its 220 p in the boliche for a hour and outside its 300 p PLUS the hotel. It works some times, but not all the times!
TejanoLibre
08-10-14, 18:05
As I posted on the NP tread most clubs I go to have declined lately. Not being a privado guy I can't say from my own experiences but from what I have read they also get raided left right and center, and there is a powerful pressure group that are trying its best to close them.
Prices for girls have also started to get ridiculous disengaged from the real economy. When a girl want the same for sucking your dick as a doctor make in a weekend shift running the main hospital in town something is wrong!
Also the attitude has changed. The sweet girl that needed an income and liked sex and did tricks from time to time is all but extinct.
Hardcore hookers are plentiful, but hey so they are in more or less any other place on earth, and probably cheaper too.
All this has gotten me to the conclusion that the time for BA as a serious mongering destination is over. There are so many other places with cheaper, sweeter and less pro pussy, on all continents.
I still like BA, but for mongering not anymore. If it were like this when I started to come here a few years ago I probably would have traveled on. That's what I did in Uruguay, after 3 weeks I left and did not come back.
Even me, a hardcore BA addictive has been playing with the thought of relocating to Brazil. My main objection is that my Spanish is come to the level that I can stop being treated as the stupid tourist all places. I don't feel like starting back on zero learning Portuguese. But that is probably my main objection. Had Brazil been a Spanish speaking country I probably would have given it a second shot.
I really liked the clubs in Sau Paulo, lots of hot girls, and they where a lot sweeter in attitude than in BA. I got a girl that was hot and seriously interested in being my GF, first night in town! Actually had contact with her for 3 years after, she only hooked for a short while. All the other girls I meet where also really cool girls and several wanted to link up for long term.
I found the whole experience of trying to get a steady GF in Argentina quite frustrating. And I have spent a ridicules amount of time, money and effort on this; probably more than most guys on this forum, jeje, trust me! And I know plenty of other that have gone in the same trap, although not on my level.
While in most countries a poor girl would like the opportunely to increase her standard of living and prospects for future by seeing a well off foreigner, that is not a biggie here.
The girls from the provicia / Villa sure will take you for a ride and play you alone, often for a long time. But there is ALWAYS a local boyfriend in the background!
At the end of the day most of the girls want to live in the shitty neighborhoods they are born, and link up with a succession of loser boyfriends that gets them pregnant and beat them silly. Sad but true.
I remember last summer DaddyRulez and me was walking in the parks and by the waterfront after Porte Madero many days. There where hundreds of hundreds of incredible hot girls all walking with some looser that never worked a day in their life. And a few years ago when I used to go to regular discos 6 days a week (I took Mondays off, jeje), it never stopped to amaze me seeing all the hot club girls with they douschbag boyfriends.
And like it is said you can take the trash out of the trailer but you can't take the trailer out of the trash. Here it is you can take the puta out of the villa, but you can never take the villa out of the puta!
So to sum it up:
-Shitty clubs.
-Unsafe brothel environment.
-Expensive.
-Girls that will take advantage of you.
So I think the party in BA is over.
Stranger.Yes, you may be right in most of the things that you say but there are many ways to avoid being treated like the easy target tourist in BA.
If you make an effort you can beat them at their own game.
The main problem with Brazil is that more than half of the cases of AIDS in South America are in Brazil so that won't work for me.
Just rather work the system in Argentina, put up with the assholes, avoid the fake girls and just date Paraguayans when necessary.
You can still have a great time in BA if you know where to go and what to do or not to do.
I know that you know how to have a good time.
Some guys just expect too much.
I hope you will keep coming back to BA.
At least occasionally.
TL coming home soon!
Mendoza is ultra boring!
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