Live the Dream: Chronology of an experiment

My argentine girl and I come for vacation to Buenos Aires in 1997. It was not my first time in BA, but this time I stayed for 1 month.

Two years after, in 1999 I took the decision to move to Buenos Aires to start with an Internet related company. My project involved several businesses related, as ISP, design and development, owned portals and a cybercafé in the center of the city which by the way was the first seriously mounted cybercafé in Buenos Aires. Magicnet.

My partner and I organized two operations for the web development and design. One was DDH (design, development and Hosting) and the other one as Eye for you, this company wanted to produce contents and design and sale it for the USA market. Just 6 months later, in 2000 the dotcom industry experienced a big crash and Argentina itself started to fall into their own financial crisis. During the year 2000 we just worked to survive but we had no luck, in 2001 my partner suffered a blood pressure attack, and a few months later he passed away.

All the projects and illusions I had just vanished and the eye four ya project too.

In the argentine summer of 2002 I took charge of a big bakery placed in downtown with 25 employees, one of my first decisions was to replace part of the staff so we put an ad on the newspaper and hundreds of people answered the ad. I had a database structure that remained from a job we did for Scotiabank (a bank who vanished from Argentina and never paid for the jobs we did for them) So I used the structure for placing the counter staff candidates, which was full of inexperienced promotoras.

Several of these promotoras, also said they were fashion models, or fashion models aspirants and they included their background and book photos.

I answered many of the models trying to fuck them in exchange of nothing since I was broke and it was funny and cheap and best quality than fucking pro-girls. The thing worked not too good, but I managed to succeed with a couple of them.

So, I kept developing the database, with 50 records and made it grow to 100 records. A friend of mine helped me to put another ad looking for models, buying a couple of cellphones, renting an office and proceed with the first project-operation. Saying that we were bookers from an Italian model agency. So we mounted a fake casting and several girls attended to it.

We repeated the experience a few months later. This time with more resources and resulted better. So, in late 2003 I had a database with 150 aspirants, secretaries, actresses and promotoras.

I kept focused due the devaluation of the currency to export talent as programming, and design, my models aspirants database always was more a hobby than anything else, since I was and I still married so it was a really undercover operation.

However, the outsourcing businesses never succeed, so, one day I just decided to merge the database to the programmers and designers database on the website. In 2004 I had more than 300 records including designers and programmers. One year later, in the beginning of 2005 I said, what the fuck and I deleted the old website, and created a new one more oriented to export models than programming and design services. I had to put a 50% of fake models on it, since my real models were too amateur. The amazing thing out of this was that many professional models, actresses, actors asked online to be included on the lists, so I started to include every new profile on the database and made it grow up to 700 records. Then I removed the designers, programmers and focused more on the artists and models than anything else and modified the website several times. While kept as a hobby the website received more than 1.000 unique visitors per day and I had around 30 new applications pending a week. I was able also to do some real professional productions and represent some models helping them in the legal and negotiating issues, and fucking them for something instead of nothing. In fact I got associated with a model to start this business seriously. That really encouraged me to start with another career, while my original idea always kept untouchable and remained focused into fucking the bitches. These bitches and believe me, because I've been in touch with them for several years, are worst than any professional *****. So I feel that somehow, my duty it's to equalize the things and to put them in the position they deserve to be.

That's the reason for the live the dream project to exist.

[QUOTE=MCSE]My argentine girl and I come for vacation to Buenos Aires in 1997. It was not my first time in BA, but this time I stayed for 1 month.

Two years after, in 1999 I took the decision to move to Buenos Aires to start with an Internet related company. My project involved several businesses related, as ISP, design and development, owned portals and a cybercafé in the center of the city which by the way was the first seriously mounted cybercafé in Buenos Aires. Magicnet.

My partner and I organized two operations for the web development and design. One was DDH (design, development and Hosting) and the other one as Eye for you, this company wanted to produce contents and design and sale it for the USA market. Just 6 months later, in 2000 the dotcom industry experienced a big crash and Argentina itself started to fall into their own financial crisis. During the year 2000 we just worked to survive but we had no luck, in 2001 my partner suffered a blood pressure attack, and a few months later he passed away.

All the projects and illusions I had just vanished and the eye four ya project too.

In the argentine summer of 2002 I took charge of a big bakery placed in downtown with 25 employees, one of my first decisions was to replace part of the staff so we put an ad on the newspaper and hundreds of people answered the ad. I had a database structure that remained from a job we did for Scotiabank (a bank who vanished from Argentina and never paid for the jobs we did for them) So I used the structure for placing the counter staff candidates, which was full of inexperienced promotoras.

Several of these promotoras, also said they were fashion models, or fashion models aspirants and they included their background and book photos.

I answered many of the models trying to fuck them in exchange of nothing since I was broke and it was funny and cheap and best quality than fucking pro-girls. The thing worked not too good, but I managed to succeed with a couple of them.

So, I kept developing the database, with 50 records and made it grow to 100 records. A friend of mine helped me to put another ad looking for models, buying a couple of cellphones, renting an office and proceed with the first project-operation. Saying that we were bookers from an Italian model agency. So we mounted a fake casting and several girls attended to it.

We repeated the experience a few months later. This time with more resources and resulted better. So, in late 2003 I had a database with 150 aspirants, secretaries, actresses and promotoras.

I kept focused due the devaluation of the currency to export talent as programming, and design, my models aspirants database always was more a hobby than anything else, since I was and I still married so it was a really undercover operation.

However, the outsourcing businesses never succeed, so, one day I just decided to merge the database to the programmers and designers database on the website. In 2004 I had more than 300 records including designers and programmers. One year later, in the beginning of 2005 I said, what the fuck and I deleted the old website, and created a new one more oriented to export models than programming and design services. I had to put a 50% of fake models on it, since my real models were too amateur. The amazing thing out of this was that many professional models, actresses, actors asked online to be included on the lists, so I started to include every new profile on the database and made it grow up to 700 records. Then I removed the designers, programmers and focused more on the artists and models than anything else and modified the website several times. While kept as a hobby the website received more than 1.000 unique visitors per day and I had around 30 new applications pending a week. I was able also to do some real professional productions and represent some models helping them in the legal and negotiating issues, and fucking them for something instead of nothing. In fact I got associated with a model to start this business seriously. That really encouraged me to start with another career, while my original idea always kept untouchable and remained focused into fucking the bitches. These bitches and believe me, because I've been in touch with them for several years, are worst than any professional *****. So I feel that somehow, my duty it's to equalize the things and to put them in the position they deserve to be.

That's the reason for the live the dream project to exist.[/QUOTE]That "experiment" has been done a million times, and always with the same outcome. Somebody (either a boyfrind, pissed off chick, or a jealous asshole) is gonna give you a big fat problem. You might get beat up, stabbed or robbed repeatedly, but you a fucking with fire!

I am sure you get laid plenty, but staying alive is one of my goals also. Not gettin jacked by some "stranger" that knows who I am, but I've never seen them before (like the girls' brother or pimp)

Good luck

[QUOTE=DrakeCapital]

I am sure you get laid plenty, but staying alive is one of my goals also. Not gettin jacked by some "stranger" that knows who I am, but I've never seen them before (like the girls' brother or pimp)

Good luck[/QUOTE]Well, I did not had that kind of problem (yet, LOL)

Probably, because you are thinking in the classic fake porn videos like "casting couchs" "mike's apartment". No, that's not my style, not the objective. While my goal remains getting laid, I would never do it with violence. And violence calls violence and I understand that's it's your picture on this. But it's not the way to do it.

I'm just nice with the girls, and THEY get a wrong picture on their minds. Lastnight I had dinner with a 19 why / o tall and beautifull legs and ass girl, she is classy, she is pretty and she is young. You can talk about many things with her, she is smart and beautiful. I proposed to her to do a photoshooting and she accepted, she called me this morning just to greet me and tell me that she had a nice conversation last night. Last night nothing happened because I did not even pushed it to happen. But I had fun lastnight, and all the people in the resturant (both woman and males) were looking at her, as for her long legs and her shape. So, probably, by the next weekend I'll call her and take her AND another good looking model to get together to the club.

While 100 jerks enters to the club alone, and all they can do it's to get rejected everytime they try to speak to a nice looking girl I do my "star entrance" and I get all the attention.

Sure, I'm not in a hurry, and I had sex lastnight anyway, not with the long legged model, (but she is on my list) As the list grows, I can be less hurried, and girls are calling to "ask-for-the-possibility".

The only thing I did not fixed yet it's what's happens after I get laid with them: some of them remained at my side, and some of them got dissapointed because they were looking for great jobs and / or getting married and rising children together. No one complained too much, and the ones who complained just requested to be removed from the website and that's it. In fact, once happened that the model arrived with her boyfriend, I had a conversation with both, the next day we shooted the video at BAEZ apartment (she is the one who does the streap tease) and I fucked her after that. An hour later the boyfriend called her to her cellphone to tell her he was downstairs while we were fucking, she said to him: "get to the corner and have a coffee, I'm going in a while" She got much more horney then, and SHE asked me to get downstairs with her (which I did not wanted, but I did anyway) I was relaxed after the sex, and guess what. She kissed on him deep when she greeted him, and she still had a little of cum on her mouth. He said "Thank you" 3 times, yeah! Thanks for fucking your girl I thinked to myself.

All these girls has boyfriends and / or are married, because they are hot. But they know how to manage themselves. They will fuck a real producer / director anyway, in fact that's their goal.

A few years ago, Maradona (the soccer idol of Argentina) was in Cuba and he got attracted to a 17 years old VERY beautiful girl. So what he and his crew did? They invited her, her mother, her young boyfriend to party, several times until they had a better feedback, and slowly, the crew rejected the boyfriend to get together with them.

I don't say this kind of reactions (husbands, boyfriends) may never happen, but that will not stop me as does not stop me the risk of being beaten by a car when I cross the street.

[QUOTE=MCSE]Well, I did not had that kind of problem (yet, LOL)

Probably, because you are thinking in the classic fake porn videos like "casting couchs" "mike's apartment". No, that's not my style, not the objective. While my goal remains getting laid, I would never do it with violence. And violence calls violence and I understand that's it's your picture on this. But it's not the way to do it.

I'm just nice with the girls, and THEY get a wrong picture on their minds. Lastnight I had dinner with a 19 Y.O. with tall and beautifull legs and ass girl, she is classy, she is pretty and she is young. You can talk about many things with her, she is smart and beautiful. I proposed to her to do a photoshooting and she accepted, she called me this morning just to greet me and tell me that she had a nice conversation last night. Last night nothing happened because I did not even pushed it to happen. But I had fun lastnight, and all the people in the resturant (both woman and males) were looking at her, as for her long legs and her shape. So, probably, by the next weekend I'll call her and take her AND another good looking model to get together to the club.

While 100 jerks enters to the club alone, and all they can do it's to get rejected everytime they try to speak to a nice looking girl I do my "star entrance" and I get all the attention.

Sure, I'm not in a hurry, and I had sex lastnight anyway, not with the long legged model, (but she is on my list) As the list grows, I can be less hurried, and girls are calling to "ask-for-the-possibility".

The only thing I did not fixed yet it's what's happens after I get laid with them: some of them remained at my side, and some of them got dissapointed because they were looking for great jobs and / or getting married and rising children together. No one complained too much, and the ones who complained just requested to be removed from the website and that's it. In fact, once happened that the model arrived with her boyfriend, I had a conversation with both, the next day we shooted the video at BAEZ apartment (she is the one who does the streap tease) and I fucked her after that. An hour later the boyfriend called her to her cellphone to tell her he was downstairs while we were fucking, she said to him: "get to the corner and have a coffee, I'm going in a while" She got much more horney then, and SHE asked me to get downstairs with her (which I did not wanted, but I did anyway) I was relaxed after the sex, and guess what. She kissed on him deep when she greeted him, and she still had a little of cum on her mouth. He said "Thank you" 3 times, yeah! Thanks for fucking your girl I thinked to myself.

All these girls has boyfriends and / or are married, because they are hot. But they know how to manage themselves. They will fuck a real producer / director anyway, in fact that's their goal.

A few years ago, Maradona (the soccer idol of Argentina) was in Cuba and he got attracted to a 17 years old VERY beautiful girl. So what he and his crew did? They invited her, her mother, her young boyfriend to party, several times until they had a better feedback, and slowly, the crew rejected the boyfriend to get together with them.

I don't say this kind of reactions (husbands, boyfriends) may never happen, but that will not stop me as does not stop me the risk of being beaten by a car when I cross the street.[/QUOTE]Keep having fun. What you might not realize is that you ARE exactly like most "model agencies". That is what all of them do. The girls are naive and stupid for thinking otherwise, but they soon learn. I can only say that when you mislead people and play with fire, it is only a matter of time before you are burnt. You will have lots of fun on the way, but it's gonna hurt real bad when it comes. Girls have agendas just like you, and it only takes ONE crazy girl (or her crazy "pimp") and game over. It is so much easier to pay a small fee, get laid, and disappear. Every one of these girls knows where to find you, and that is the danger. When you pay a small fee, or meet a non-pro in a bar, you both know what you are looking for so you haven't played with emotions or promises.

Do they meet you in your "office"? That is a problem is you're "gettin high on your own supply".

Do they believe you have lots of money, by what you tell them, even if it isn't true? Another problem, because you've made yourself a target for somebody playing a harder game than you.

Good luck, and keep me posted. So far so good, but it dosen't end well, if it ever ends. You might be the one smartest guy in the world to pull it off. I'll just pay the entrance fee!

This is the most interesting exchange I have read in weeks. I too believe that the longer you do this the greater the chances you'll run into a jealous male relative. It sounds like you are past the deception part of advertising for actors and now have a legitimate operation. Or are you still scamming?

[QUOTE=DrakeCapital]Keep having fun. What you might not realize is that you ARE exactly like most "model agencies". That is what all of them do. The girls are naive and stupid for thinking otherwise, but they soon learn. I can only say that when you mislead people and play with fire, it is only a matter of time befoe you are burnt. You will have lots of fun on the way, but it's gonna hurt real bad when it comes. Girls have agendas just like you, and it only takes ONE crazy girl (or her crazy "pimp") and game over. It is so much easier to pay a small fee, get laid, and disappear. Every one of these girls knows where to find you, and that is the danger. When you pay a small fee, or meet a non-pro in a bar, you both know what you are looking for so you haven't played with emotions or promises.

Do they meet you in your "office"? That is a problem is you're "gettin high on your own supply".

Do they believe you have lots of money, by what you tell them, even if it isn't true? Another problem, because you've made yourself a target for somebody playing a harder game than you.

Good luck, and keep me posted. So far so good, but it dosen't end well, if it ever ends. You might be the one smartest guy in the world to pull it off. I'll just pay the entrance fee![/QUOTE]Your statement it's right and I respect it. However, they have no 'pimps'. The working girls have pimps.

I think too than paying a small fee would be much easier for sex. And not paying a thing and masturbating it's even cheaper.

It's all about quality.

So there are several 'qualities' in the getting laid world: you have the street walkers, the borthels apartments, excedra, the triangle, madahos, black. And all above that you have Live the Dream.

In Argentina, the quality it's limited. As an experienced monger, who paid all kind of 'fees' I can tell you that.

Even the girls from Black are slutty. Not classy, and all of them somehow look similar. And I don't mean similar in their shape, but it's on their facial expression after a few months in the business.

As the experienced mongers know, some times things (sexually speaking) works better when you have a regular girl, and does not matter her $ value. Not for years but for months. That's nothing but the human nature. And human nature also says, after a few months you better move forward, when the Love is over. Sex it's all right, you go to the privado, you pay in advance, you fuck you cum and you are free to go, then what? After a few hours you feel alone. Especially when you are not in vacation. The party it's part of the life, at least I need it, and I need the foreplay, I like to seduce and get attracted, at least a little bit. So, that's why the boliches and the excedra exist so I think I'm not the only one. Of course sometimes I just need to spread the sperm away so I don't need all the bullshit, but some times only.

Our society's prerrogative it's on the beauty, quality and design. That's why you pay more for a bmw rather than a crappy car and probably that's why we even call it 'crappy' (ugly, usefulness, and bad designed) Beauty has more value and everyone knows about it.

I'm not smarter than anyone, I'm just a hard worker and lucky to work on what I like and what I like it's beauty.

So I'm still working on this project, I didn't said it's over and accomplished and I need to improve it. You can pay the fee and help to improve it, and I've started this thread to get new ideas and / or others interested on what I'm doing.

Thank you!

[QUOTE=BundaLover]This is the most interesting exchange I have read in weeks. I too believe that the longer you do this the greater the chances you'll run into a jealous male relative. It sounds like you are past the deception part of advertising for actors and now have a legitimate operation. Or are you still scamming?[/QUOTE]It's a legitimate operation because I list and represent the models. So I do my job and I get paid, of course when I represent them. I also made several photo productions and those jobs are legitimate. Several productions are on my websites. There is nothing illegal on the operation, I used to 'exagerate' the prospectives models could have working for me. But now I don't need that bullshit.

So I proposed the models to get into this 'reality show' and pay them an attractive salary (of course I will pay them) and they must fight each other, and effort to being reelected for the next day and they can win. They get paid and they receive a bonus if they can stay for 4 days. [url]http://www.barts.com.ar/barts/ap/[/url]

All this happens in the offices (alone and being encouraged by a kind of psicologyst) to do an effort to stay in the show, and then, they have dinner, they know the jury and then in the club. A nice and respectable club. In the VIP.

No one should get pissed off in this game, because the rules are clear. And best of all, everybody wins. If they get dismissed, they will get paid anyway. The 'jury' can either reelect them even if there is no approach, or they can dismiss them but everyone has fun anyway.

Boyfriends, that's not an issue. If these models could be in a serious movie and they get attached to the director, producer or whatever, do you think the director, producer or whatever will deny to fuck her for fearing the boyfriend?

Successfull actresses and models do that all the time and the boyfriend / husband must deal with it, or get divorced.

As stated, this is just an experiment. I think that:

A) paying them,.

Be) offering a bonus for the winner,

C) having them alone, 4 hours listening the same thing and subliminal messages like: he's cute, he's nice, you need that vote.

D) to have a kind of 'vacation' of 4 days with nice guys, in a funny environment, day after day (it's like a seminar and why you think that a big percentage of infidelities occurs in seminars)

E) the environment by itself.

It's just like forcing the nature a little bit! So I hope I can proof it, and if not, I can fix it then I can proof it!

Great idea, as you have a great base to kick off from. But full of potential twists and turns, like real life.

As these girls will probably have met various real potential clients in the past, I suggest you educate clients on a few basic exchanges to throw in, don't wear your dockers and sneakers, etc. Models will know the gig is up if your clients can't play the game right and that means educating them a bit, myself included if I was here, but would be hopefully for another time.

In the near future, I will be going to a cocktail / party type affaire where the agency types will mix in a few clients and friends with models and I have been educated to play the big shot. Not my style but I can pull it off.

I just hope that even putting this on the site has not already set up a problem.

Buen Suerte.

MAG

[QUOTE=MiddleAgeGuy]Great idea, as you have a great base to kick off from. But full of potential twists and turns, like real life.

As these girls will probably have met various real potential clients in the past, I suggest you educate clients on a few basic exchanges to throw in, don't wear your dockers and sneakers, etc. Models will know the gig is up if your clients can't play the game right and that means educating them a bit, myself included if I was here, but would be hopefully for another time.

In the near future, I will be going to a cocktail / party type affaire where the agency types will mix in a few clients and friends with models and I have been educated to play the big shot. Not my style but I can pull it off.

I just hope that even putting this on the site has not already set up a problem.

Buen Suerte.

MAG[/QUOTE]Oh man, I just gotta see what happens to you guys! You're gonna love it for awhile, and won't be able to stop until IT stops for you! The above concern can be added to my list of definite pitfalls.

Lastly, this is not a novel idea just because you are now thinking of it. It's old as time itself. I still wish you luck, howver. Keep us posted.

And teaching, encouraging, requiring them to FIGHT! IT keeps getting better. Get 'em all pissed and violent just before they figure out they've been mislead (and that's being kind) or worse, used and not "paid" for it.

[QUOTE=MCSE]As the experienced mongers know, some times things (sexually speaking) works better when you have a regular girl, and does not matter her $ value. [/QUOTE]Amen. While I usually enjoy myself with a chica, the sex is almost always better with a regular girlfriend.

The difference is like watching golf on TV (a pleasant experience) and swinging the driver yourself on the course (much better).

Interesting discussion all around. I agree, MCSE, that eventually some jealous boyfriend is going to crush your skull with a brick. But enjoy the ride until then, heh heh heh.

[QUOTE=Hunt99]Amen. While I usually enjoy myself with a chica, the sex is almost always better with a regular girlfriend.

The difference is like watching golf on TV (a pleasant experience) and swinging the driver yourself on the course (much better)

Interesting discussion all around. I agree, MCSE, that eventually some jealous boyfriend is going to crush your skull with a brick. But enjoy the ride until then, heh heh heh.[/QUOTE]Exactly. I am not saying it dosen't work (preying on a girls unrealistic hopes) it DOES work. But, the guys on the other side (and all attractive girls have SOME guy) are as skeptical of anybody near their pussy as you or I. Now these might not even be "pimps" in the traditional sense. They could be the lazy unemployed guy at home that DEPENDS on her income. He lets her try her "gig" with you but he KNOWS what you are doing be / c he sin't fantasizing about becoming a model-so it's clear to him. He decides you're not only poking his girl, but a distraction in his lifestyle. And here is where it ends; he and his friends "meet" you one day while you think you're getting another great blowjob! Who set the appointment up? The slightly disgruntled girl.

A girl will turn on you in a split second IF she dosen't get what she thinks she should. And, she will employ any tool available to fix things. I predict you won't have the option of "backing out" by the time you want to.

[QUOTE=DrakeCapital]

A girl will turn on you in a split second IF she dosen't get what she thinks she should. And, she will employ any tool available to fix things. I predict you won't have the option of "backing out" by the time you want to.[/QUOTE]C Mon. That's too much paranoic!

[QUOTE=MiddleAgeGuy]Great idea, as you have a great base to kick off from. But full of potential twists and turns, like real life.

As these girls will probably have met various real potential clients in the past, I suggest you educate clients on a few basic exchanges to throw in, don't wear your dockers and sneakers, etc. Models will know the gig is up if your clients can't play the game right and that means educating them a bit, myself included if I was here, but would be hopefully for another time.

In the near future, I will be going to a cocktail / party type affaire where the agency types will mix in a few clients and friends with models and I have been educated to play the big shot. Not my style but I can pull it off.

I just hope that even putting this on the site has not already set up a problem.

Buen Suerte.

MAG[/QUOTE]Thanks for the suggestion!

I will find the way to write something about it. Basically in the fashion world everyone pays attention to the fashion and style.

So I convinced a model aspirant to get to the airport and pick up a client, do a video and some pictures.

By the way I have more than 180 models and aspirants interested into meeting producers, directors and get paid for join us to the VIP's clubs.

Well, so like 3 weeks ago (as you know I'm very busy these days) a model I never met started to send me emails and I have sent her my cellphone, she was complaining because I have put her profile under new faces and we did never met.

She is a tall and really professional model looking type, with professional portfolio, so that's why I've listed she on my database. She is tall and she is black, from Brazil. She told me she is travelling back to Brazil for the hollydays and she has no time back so she encouraged me to rush our first meeting. So I have told her to meet at one of my apartments. Then I (dumb yes I'm) totally forgot the appointment. Well, when she went there she asked for the agency and (dumber is my doorman) he told her there were no agency in there but an apartment we rent for short term. Damn! So, she called me and I ran to the meeting, getting in there late, like 30 mins after (very bad) and she was escorted by her husband, he seemed to be pissed and looked with that bad look. But anyway, we went upstairs in the elevator, and (I'm sorry, I can't resist) I was looking at her beautiful and unique legs she has, and her sexy skirt. Fuck, she was wearing a sexy skirt and in person, she is fucking-really-hot.

I have to menction as a matter of fact two things that increased the hate I have received with that sight at the elevator: my lover just an hour ago started to send me some horny sms's on my cellphone because she wanted to get together, and today was a hot day and I have seen houndreds of beautiful girls in mini skirts and showing the half or her tits with the wet the heat produces.

So, well, we've got to the apartment and we started our meeting. The husband looks like an american football player, in good shape, tall and muscled, argentine and blond, probably from cordoba but not sure, she is black, tall and thin, but she is also sexy, and she moves her face lips in a very provocative way, almost licking her own lips. Then she started to pay attention to what I said, (strictly business) so the guy again looked at she with that angry sight.

Well, so, I was yes I was horny and I think the guy noticed it, and she was horny too I think, so I could't resist and I asked the guy: what's going on? Are you ok? So, unexpectly the guy changed his sight for almost wet eyes and he said he is going with her now everywhere and they quit from the former agency because the manager (my competitor) was sexually arrasing (molesting) her. The worst part (he said) it's once she accepted nothing changed at all and she was unable to get better and better paid jobs. Guys, I was laughing inside but showing myself serious and concerned. The competitor is a very well known guy in the industry, so I've asked, what happened then, and they said they just quit from that manager and that was the reason for getting to my agency.

However, the rest of the meeting is irrelevant, BUT, when we greet outside she told me "I'll be happy to see you again when I'm back" with a nasty expression she said. We kissed close to our lips, in front of the guy.

After that I remembered the concerns of this thread and that's why I'm writing this. You can search for her on the page, with the provided description I think is enough.

I'm late again, saludossss!

[QUOTE=MCSE]Well, so like 3 weeks ago (as you know I'm very busy these days) a model I never met started to send me emails and I have sent her my cellphone, she was complaining because I have put her profile under new faces and we did never met.

She is a tall and really professional model looking type, with professional portfolio, so that's why I've listed she on my database. She is tall and she is black, from Brazil. She told me she is travelling back to Brazil for the hollydays and she has no time back so she encouraged me to rush our first meeting. So I have told her to meet at one of my apartments. Then I (dumb yes I'm) totally forgot the appointment. Well, when she went there she asked for the agency and (dumber is my doorman) he told her there were no agency in there but an apartment we rent for short term. Damn! So, she called me and I ran to the meeting, getting in there late, like 30 mins after (very bad) and she was escorted by her husband, he seemed to be pissed and looked with that bad look. But anyway, we went upstairs in the elevator, and (I'm sorry, I can't resist) I was looking at her beautiful and unique legs she has, and her sexy skirt. Fuck, she was wearing a sexy skirt and in person, she is fucking-really-hot.

I have to menction as a matter of fact two things that increased the hate I have received with that sight at the elevator: my lover just an hour ago started to send me some horny sms's on my cellphone because she wanted to get together, and today was a hot day and I have seen houndreds of beautiful girls in mini skirts and showing the half or her tits with the wet the heat produces.

So, well, we've got to the apartment and we started our meeting. The husband looks like an american football player, in good shape, tall and muscled, argentine and blond, probably from cordoba but not sure, she is black, tall and thin, but she is also sexy, and she moves her face lips in a very provocative way, almost licking her own lips. Then she started to pay attention to what I said, (strictly business) so the guy again looked at she with that angry sight.

Well, so, I was yes I was horny and I think the guy noticed it, and she was horny too I think, so I could't resist and I asked the guy: what's going on? Are you ok? So, unexpectly the guy changed his sight for almost wet eyes and he said he is going with her now everywhere and they quit from the former agency because the manager (my competitor) was sexually arrasing (molesting) her. The worst part (he said) it's once she accepted nothing changed at all and she was unable to get better and better paid jobs. Guys, I was laughing inside but showing myself serious and concerned. The competitor is a very well known guy in the industry, so I've asked, what happened then, and they said they just quit from that manager and that was the reason for getting to my agency.

However, the rest of the meeting is irrelevant, BUT, when we greet outside she told me "I'll be happy to see you again when I'm back" with a nasty expression she said. We kissed close to our lips, in front of the guy.

After that I remembered the concerns of this thread and that's why I'm writing this. You can search for her on the page, with the provided description I think is enough.

I'm late again, saludossss![/QUOTE]I think it says more not about the industry, but about how most on this board have predicted your fate as to the same scam you are pulling on these girls that this one complained about. MCSE, you have nice apartments, you deliver the goods as you promise on the apartments and you help set newbies up. But leave it at that. I would join in on the rest saying you are just waiting for hell to kick in. That you seek to win some game because you scammed some girl in to believing that you or one of your other scammers are some poweful dude. It'll consume you (already has) and you will get fucked. But not how you want.

Just Sayin.

BT

It will be interesting to see how long this lasts. People rob banks thinking because they got away with it once or twice they will never get caught. Same thing with robbing pussy. You get your fantasy rush until "BUSTED". Have fun while it lasts.

I too read MSCE with a bit of unease. His postings are always interesting and fun to read. They make me think. However we have a very different line in the sand when it comes to ethics. He enjoys the scam and deception. It is part of the seduction process for him. I think it childish and not something that would ever interest me. On one hand he presents himself professionally as an agent and on the other he publically details the games he plays. He is an adult. He can do what he wants. If he did this shit in Brasil he would be most dead by now. Kind of makes me wonder if the macho Argentine male is a wimp.

[QUOTE=Ben There] MCSE, you have nice apartments, you deliver the goods as you promise on the apartments and you help set newbies up. But leave it at that. I would join in on the rest saying you are just waiting for hell to kick in. That you seek to win some game because you scammed some girl in to believing that you or one of your other scammers are some poweful dude.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the comments on my apartments!

Honestly, I appreciate your advise, and I'll be careful.

As I have wrote before, there is no scam in this experiment. You're right when you say it's consuming my time, and it's true, but no more than any other hobby could do it.

My point with the post was to proof somehow (to myself in the first stage, then sharing it with you) the collective feeling (and I think everyone has at least one time thinked about) regarding that in the models industry, sex it's involved. Sex it's a price to pay. They also say that many managers and designers, photographers, etc are gay, no proofs around, but in the straight percentage, managers, photographers, designers, etc they want to fuck the models just like I want, somehow helped me to understand that I'm a normal person rather than a pervert, but I'm still not sure. Everyone has a paraphilia, some like them busty, some like them with the tan lines, some like them booty, well my paraphilia it's I like them perfect, stylished, classy.

[QUOTE=BundaLover]I too read MSCE with a bit of unease. His postings are always interesting and fun to read. They make me think. However we have a very different line in the sand when it comes to ethics. He enjoys the scam and deception. It is part of the seduction process for him. I think it childish and not something that would ever interest me. On one hand he presents himself professionally as an agent and on the other he publically details the games he plays. He is an adult. He can do what he wants. If he did this shit in Brasil he would be most dead by now. Kind of makes me wonder if the macho Argentine male is a wimp.[/QUOTE]Part ONE.

The Morality of BundaLover:

As said before, the nature of this experiment it's to find a way, an opportunity to find perhaps, real love, if not, a great sexual experience with a beautiful, classy and outrageous girl.

Now, it's nothing but hillarious to talk about morality in this board. There is so much hipocrasy around, at least I just expose my experiment and as always, I'm open to suggestions and improvements. However, this is not a "scam". A scam must involve money, or at least, the non-accomplishment of a deal. I've helped several models on their carreers and I would never force a girl to do something she don't want to do. Ever.

The ethics of fucking a lactating girl, who has no other opportunity in her life rather than sharing her son's milk with strange people in order to feed her son are for sure elevated and refinated. The ethics of going to a privado parlor and fucking a girl who has been traded from another one and is 24/7 controlled by her pimps are perhaps "spiritual". Because taking advantage of the macro economics desadvantages permits with a regular european / american salary to fuck for less in another undeveloped country and sure, and that's very moral too.

Part TWO:

The morality of the girls:

The girls are looking around, and au contraire of many of you heared at the church, females are happy to have sexual intercourses, and sex it's not only for creating offspring, it can be used with recreational propouses too. Humans are not the only mammals that have sexual intercourses for fun. Dolphins and monkeys they also do it, and by the way, a branch of african monkeys has female to female intercourses too.

So girls are there and they want to fuck, now they must choose a partner for each sexual intercourse. Is it bad that I propose myself as interested and request an opportunity to have fun with them?

Every woman and every man do what they can to get laid. Woman take care of their body, makeup and try to look the best they can, as male do as well. All the rest it's about negotiations and tradeoffs.

This project it's about an alternative and by the way, creative way to accomplish the objective of getting laid.

[QUOTE=MCSE]Part ONE.

The Morality of BundaLover:

As said before, the nature of this experiment it's to find a way, an opportunity to find perhaps, real love, if not, a great sexual experience with a beautiful, classy and outrageous girl.

Now, it's nothing but hillarious to talk about morality in this board. There is so much hipocrasy around, at least I just expose my experiment and as always, I'm open to suggestions and improvements. However, this is not a "scam". A scam must involve money, or at least, the non-accomplishment of a deal. I've helped several models on their carreers and I would never force a girl to do something she don't want to do. Ever.

The ethics of fucking a lactating girl, who has no other opportunity in her life rather than sharing her son's milk with strange people in order to feed her son are for sure elevated and refinated. The ethics of going to a privado parlor and fucking a girl who has been traded from another one and is 24/7 controlled by her pimps are perhaps "spiritual". Because taking advantage of the macro economics desadvantages permits with a regular european / american salary to fuck for less in another undeveloped country and sure, and that's very moral too.

Part TWO:

The morality of the girls:

The girls are looking around, and au contraire of many of you heared at the church, females are happy to have sexual intercourses, and sex it's not only for creating offspring, it can be used with recreational propouses too. Humans are not the only mammals that have sexual intercourses for fun. Dolphins and monkeys they also do it, and by the way, a branch of african monkeys has female to female intercourses too.

So girls are there and they want to fuck, now they must choose a partner for each sexual intercourse. Is it bad that I propose myself as interested and request an opportunity to have fun with them?

Every woman and every man do what they can to get laid. Woman take care of their body, makeup and try to look the best they can, as male do as well. All the rest it's about negotiations and tradeoffs.

This project it's about an alternative and by the way, creative way to accomplish the objective of getting laid.[/QUOTE]For sure the question of who is moral, what is moral and the forum by which we discuss this is a bit shaky on all levels. However I must side with Bundalover in the line that is differently drawn in the sand. One knows exactly what one is doing with and why and for what. I know that a good possibility that a chica we talk about at times with as much indifference as good piece of steak we had a restaurant may not seem very moral, she may be owned by some pimp, she may be sending every peso back to Paraguay to feed her family or she may just be an indepenedent business woman sucking (pun intended) every peso out of our fantasy fed brains. And. And I write a big and with a purposeful comma, AND, its all on the table as to what where and why.

WHere we may disagree and feel unease, is the clear and pursposful game that you advertise as a means of deceit to get laid. Maybe that its not so different than (as I will simplyfy for you your very complicated style of english) giving the girls what they want. But you are not giving them what you want, you are giving them a false reality. I think we used to call that snake oil in the old days.

While true commenting about your tactitcs is a bit tricky considering the forum, its memebers and the topic, and it may be like a pot calling the kettle black. But I would guess that many of the mongers here would agree that your tactics are unnerving. Maybe this is a interesting opportunity for a new poll. Heh Jackson?

Am I a lying scammer when I ask a woman out to dinner and a date, suggest that I am interested in a long-term relationship, and then fuck her doggie style in the back seat of my car -- when I am really interested in nothing more than depositing my sperm in her twat? (Careful the cum doesn't drip onto the leather seats, hon!)

There are many levels of lying. MCSE is refining the method more than most, but it's only a difference of degree to what I have done all my life. If he keeps up his present game, one of these days a boyfriend is going to murder him, this is true. It may well be the kind of man who will cry about his woman's infidelity to a total stranger, while sitting in front of her.

Until then, I say: LIVE THE DREAM! :D

From the Forum Rules:

No Prosthelyzing: Please do not use this Forum to espouse anti-prostitution, anti-commercial sex, or other similar sociological, political or religious beliefs.

Besides, I'm kinda looking forward to reading MCSE's successes / failures. Sounds like he may have backended himself into a business that may ultimately work. Then again, he may get his legs broken. It's his prerogative either way.

I'll fuck almost anything beautiful with a pussy under it. I don't need to bullshit the girls. I'm no beauty queen but I have to wonder if MSCE is very unattractive. He represents models. He sees them day in and day out. Wouldnt you think he has pussy coming out his ears if he were capable? I would have worn my dick down to the bone if I were around dumb models on a regular basis with no need for the games indicated below.

Sometimes they even like me. I can think of nothing more boring than tricking a dumb and poor model into thinking I'm a director or producer. They never had a problem with horny tourist from Amerika. Here is a cut and paste from MSCE web page (refferenced in this forum on page 1)

"The girls will be paid for assist, they will be paid with a few bucks for the first night, double the 2nd one and double the 3rd and double the 4th. So, for them it's Very attractive to stay for the 4 sessions. They know the rules, but they will be told clients are either hollywood producers, fashion designers, etc. You must NEVER tell them you are not and traitors will be punished. No traitors allowance, zero tollerance."

And this.

"We have told the models them to work in the clubs promoting and fishing for models with a special custome. 4 girls will attend on every event, an extra 2 girls will be as a backup. A coordinator will also be there. The coordinator (a female) is instructed to encourage girls to pay attention to you the clients and encourage them to have drinks, have fun and tell them nice things about the clients. The coordinator is kinda that tiny voice telling the models things. I will be also in there as the project creator and manager.

Girls will ask if is it possible for their boyfriends attend the event. We will grant the possibility, but the boyfriends will be kept out of the VIP room. Even when they want to go, pre-arranged is with the nightclub staff to don't let them get in. During the casting will investigate and inquire about their boyfriends, because, if one of the boyfriends is too related with the nightlife scene (even may be he owns a club or whatever) this action will not be possible."

. And this.

"You MUST be a nice and fair person to participate, you have to pass a psicological test, a phisical exam, you must look on the fashion, be young, or at least look young, accomplish with the cost, NOT BE A TRAITOR, NOT TO BE A CHEAP. This project is not oriented cheap."

The above are not my words. They are the words of MSCE. They speak for themselves.

Jackson were you aware of this?

BARTS is a headliner on your website.

So where do we draw the line? Lying is OK? Group lying is OK. Hiding from boyfriends in nightclubs is OK? HUH? Are drugs in their drinks OK? How about date rape as part of the fantasy? Where does this end? At what point does the 'justification' start to stink?

[QUOTE=HairBalderman]From the Forum Rules:

No Prosthelyzing: Please do not use this Forum to espouse anti-prostitution, anti-commercial sex, or other similar sociological, political or religious beliefs.

Besides, I'm kinda looking forward to reading MCSE's successes / failures. Sounds like he may have backended himself into a business that may ultimately work. Then again, he may get his legs broken. It's his prerogative either way.[/QUOTE]Not trying to be anti anything (except for anti broke body parts) I too want to se mcse succeed only so that I can use his apt again. And he can come to the place not in crutches.

Great! All right Brad:

As the thread title explains, this is an experiment, there is a demand for high end quality beautiful girls. The problem is: how to get laid with them. I wanted to share my experiences with some other 'diversity-mongers' who might be interested. I have been working on this for years. Main interest it's about the quality, since I strongly (but very strongly) doubt that you can have perfect girls just because you're the horny american tourist. That will work for maids, waitresses, etc. If you don't have the right connections this won't work with the classy model type girls. Oh, I forgot you are Brad Pitt. Well, in that case it's not a problem, you don't have to lie and say you're a producer / director.

[QUOTE=BundaLover]

Jackson were you aware of this?[/QUOTE]Yes, you can be sure of it. In fact, I don't think he needs much help policing the site. You've said your piece, which is your prerogative, now I suggest you let others have their say, if any.

This is a meeting we have organized at Kandi. Kandi is a hip spot on baez street in las canitas. (I should I write a report on it, I'll do it later) so, I contacted two models to attend the meeting, the meeting was at 9 PM, and we had drinks and sushi. The girls were very interested to met my clients, however, to secure their presence I had to pay them to go. We had scheduled 3 models, but one failed. This is very common to happen. After the meeting we pointed to go to a nightclub, but this was a Tuesday and being the end of the year, most of the clubs are closed to private events. As always, each time I have an opportunity I take it to improve the system.

[QUOTE=MCSE]This is a meeting we have organized at Kandi. Kandi is a hip spot on baez street in las canitas. (I should I write a report on it, I'll do it later) so, I contacted two models to attend the meeting, the meeting was at 9 PM, and we had drinks and sushi. The girls were very interested to met my clients, however, to secure their presence I had to pay them to go. We had scheduled 3 models, but one failed. This is very common to happen. After the meeting we pointed to go to a nightclub, but this was a Tuesday and being the end of the year, most of the clubs are closed to private events. As always, each time I have an opportunity I take it to improve the system.[/QUOTE]You're already paying them, and not even in their pants yet. I wish you luck, but I think your putting too much thought in this. You mention that "the problem is how to have sex with them" in an earlier post. The way I see it, it's not a problem, and if a particular girl is not giving it up-just move on. It's not necessary to trick, decieve, and make enemies of the girls.

One glaring weakness in MCSE's plan, besides pissing all sorts of people off (Girls and the guys they are with) is very clear.

Most guys, like me, don't want the bitchy girls that think they are gonna change their life by being a model. We like the down to earth girl that dosen't realize how sexy and attractive she really is. She's sweeter, better in bed, etc.

Still just as hot, but friendly and genuine smiles too!!

Yah yah models are prettier than maids. Yah yah MSCE does have great taste in woman. Yes 'his' models are prettier than most of the girls at the privados and clubs. MSCE this isnt a one time thing for you. You have said that you are working on perfecting the 'system' for a long time. However even dumb models are sometimes able to read and speak English. Even models are sometimes educated and know how to perform internet searches. It is EASY for them to read what you have posted. So how long can you keep this hidden? How many guys just off the plane can drink alcohol at the clubs and not let it slip that they sell books in Iowa as a living and are not Hollywood producers? Its not easy to spend hour after hour lying to females. Sure you married guys are used to it but.

Additionally don't you think that some of the models talk to each other and share experiences?

I'm not Brad Pitt. However I developed a technique that I am going to share with you that usually works. When I hang out with women 'of questionable characther' like the ones at ***** houses for example. I find that if I wrap my cock with a $100 note and present it to them that all the girls think I look like Brad Pitt for approximately 40 mins. Try it!

MSCE by the way I really find your postings fascinating. You are doing stuff that I agree is on the edge of fantasy and real life. Plus your insight to Porteno culture is wonderful.

[QUOTE=DrakeCapital] "the problem is how to have sex with them" [/QUOTE]"Alcohol"

The old reliable - it has rarely failed me.:D

Some years back at a local hotel very popular amongst local businessmen (estancieros, wine maker etc) the ground, 1st and 2nd floor had been converted into offices for small local companies. The son of the owner of one of those companies ran an advert in a local paper asking for an executive secretary. He ran the advert for about two months and fucked or at least tried to fuck each and every applicant till the father of one of the girls turned up with a gun and sprayed the place with the guy's blood and brains!

Same hotel not more than three months later, another guy tried the same trick though he had no relation to anyone hiring offices there - he just made sure he tipped the waiters and the front desk personnel very well so he received all his phone calls and messages at the hotel (this was before cell phones) so he'd sit in the bar and seemed to anyone he interviewed as being influential and well known at the hotel. He fucked some really good looking birds till he pissed off one of them and she bust his head in with a huge crystal ashtray. She didn't kill him but he suffered sever brain damage!

My brother in law has a company providing personnel for security agencies and office cleaning companies etc. He also used to get into many a girl's pants (not beauties this time but if you knew my brother-in-law they were beauties to him! Once again this went on till he pissed off the wrong girl who stabbed him in the arm and chest (sadly not fatally)

MCSE, what you are doing is as old as shagging itself! It does work and you are going to fuck some really good looking bitches but the risks are also real. Of course, the risks are part of the game and from what I read cuckolding the guys is one of the satisfactions you get from the game.

But I would never and I mean NEVER post about it on a semi public forum especially one where you are easily identified through your proffesion. But of course, your a big boy!

Do you guys know if there are any Sugar Daddy sites in Buenos Aires. It's getting very big in the U. S. And I was thinking of setting something up down there. The Argentine women would be perfect!

[QUOTE=BundaLover]Jackson were you aware of this?[/QUOTE][blue]Hi BundaLover,

Actually, MCSE had the courtesy to clear this thread with me before he posted it. Obviously I approved it, in part because I wanted to see where it would lead.

I personally don't see it as anything more that the usual games played between men and chicas, said games typically including some measure of deception on one or both parties.

BTW, I think all these predictions that MCSE is going to be subjected to some physical demise because of his game are rather remote.

Thanks,

Jackson[/blue]

[QUOTE=DrakeCapital]You're already paying them, and not even in their pants yet. I wish you luck, but I think your putting too much thought in this. [/QUOTE]Dear Drake:

I completely understand your point of view. It's valid, it's practical, business oriented. I won't change your way to see the things, I just wander why someone would pay up to 5 million dollars for an authentic picasso, while decorating the wall may cost just 5 bucks.

Having fun for me it's also interesting. If I want a quick fuck I know where to go, and depending on several factors such as location, budget and preference, I could I spend no more than 50 pesos, in fact, there is a good parlor who charged 8 pesos for a 30 mins session (girls were nice and fairly good lookig) (look in the 2002 reports) Well that's ok when you need to cum and you don't want to jerk off. Another question is: if I can jerk off watching a Silvia Saint movie for free, why I'm going to spend money on a not that good looking one in real life?

A possible answer is, after a while that becomes boring, as well as becomes boring to go to a private apartment, wait for a girl you have never seen before and ride on her as a horse which I'm not saying it's not interesting. I'm just saying that after a while becomes boring same thing as if you eat everyday the same style of food. So, then you go to a club, let's say a non-pro night club and you must do an effort and you don't know if you'll be successful or you are going to end the nite at your favorite privado apartment. So, after a while, you go to hook, cocodrilo or whatever, but unless you negotiate she'll be only one hour, which it's not bad, since by the way, you pay them to leave. But again, after a while, the thing become boring again, you know that you can do it and all you need it's 100 dollars, and that's it. Many guys hire working girls to have dinner with them at a fancy restaurant at puerto madero, since some times neccesary is to fill not only your primarely sexual desire, there is something else and I don't know what is it. One possible answer it's the party. The party incentivates and the party it's good stuff. Having party with the girls it's good stuff, especially when they're classy and more than good looking. You can share at least a few opinions, or whatever, but it's not same when a non-interested working girl is in there. They really don't know how to pretend outside of the room, may be they are experts pretending inside of the bed, but outside of the room they really don't know. Models are the opposite, they have a lot of party experience, they know the clubs, schedules, better than I do. However, the whole thing it's uncomplete if there is no sex, and I mean with the same girl you party.

Another interesting things regarding the models vs the working-girls is the models don't fuck 20 different guys per week, their pussies are tight and smell better, when they say "fuck me" (well, my favorite is "clavame" since I speak spanish no argentine girl ever said fuck me) they say it for real, and when they say "ahh" they do it for real.

[QUOTE=BundaLover]

Additionally don't you think that some of the models talk to each other and share experiences?[/QUOTE]Well Mussuolini said: better is a day as a lion rather than a 100 years as a rat.

I consider you guys as my friends, even if you desagree with my techniques, I understand that not everyone should see things same way as I do. I hope that no one reveals this dirty little secret;) I always respect all of you, I assume a risk that this thread may be readed by a model, or several, but I tell you this: I have confessed how I have started to a few girls I have confidence with, and they reacted in different ways. Of course I can not confess before I had intercourse with them. But they are woman and they are aware they are hot and they are also aware that our mission it's to bang them. In my experience they got decepted when a guy tells them they will have promotora's jobs, and they charge them for bad quality books. That really pisses them. Besides of being pissed, there is nothing they can do against me, I have done anything illegal. It's my nature to desire get laid and make love to the girls I find attractive, however, I have never forced anyone to do things they did not wanted.

[QUOTE=BundaLover]

MSCE by the way I really find your postings fascinating. You are doing stuff that I agree is on the edge of fantasy and real life. Plus your insight to Porteno culture is wonderful.[/QUOTE]Thank you!

[QUOTE=MCSE]I hope that no one reveals this dirty little secret;) I always respect all of you[/QUOTE]Why? There are some real rats who read this board. In fact, I am sure that at least one of them feels it his solemn duty to tell your models about your posts. Fact. (And I am not directing this to BundaLover. The biggest rats are "read only" members.)