Mar del Plata

[Saint]

Puma,

I can't speak for other members but Mayra (Mayri) is not naive. She knows why so many of us Americans go down to BA. And you know what? She doesn't care one bit. She isn't judgemental and has an open attitude about our activities so don't be shy to talk to her about hotels being "chica friendly" or anything else associated with the hobby.

Rickster,

Havana also peaks my interest tremendously. I have talked to a few guys that have been going to Cuba and they love it. Cuba is more of a 'cat and mouse' type of deal since prostitution is officially illegal there. The police don't bother tourists but the chicas can get into some big trouble if they are caught. You gotta go out and seek the girls in Cuba but I have seen several pictures and the prices and quality seems to be there. The other problem in Cuba is that it's technically illegal to go to Cuba if you are a US citizen. I'm taking the steps needed to try to go legitimately. I'm planning a trip with a buddy in February but I might try to sneak away in November for a few days.

I really think knowing Spanish is essential with a destination like Cuba. There are tons of books, internet sites, etc. available. A good one is located at the link below. Go through the various lessons they have. They seem to be very helpful. I enrolled in a Spanish class and this page has all of the same material we have been going through and it is free. The books alone for my class were over $150 not to mention the cost of the classes. Good luck!

http://spanish.about.com/library/beg...M=ss11_spanish

I'm not sure if there is a "best way" to learn Spanish. A key component is learning vocabulary. I know some guys that get by in Latin American countries with knowing the key verbs and vocabulary and most importantly the number system. First thing you should get down is the numbers. It's fairly easy to get down 1 - 1000.

What I did after my first BA trip was to enroll in an intensive Spanish class (3 hours each night for a month - after work). I went out and bought all these little books that helped. Go to a bookstore like Barnes & Noble, etc. There are little paperback books like: "1001 Most Useful Spanish Words" by Seymour Resnick; "Essential Spanish Grammar" (same author); 1001 Pitfalls in Spanish by Marion Holt. Then I went to Officemax and bought a ton of notecards. I memorize 30 words each day. I'm up to about 3,000 words but it starts getting difficult once you get to a certain level. Spanish isn't as easy as you would think.

[Rickster]

Toosh,

You get a gold star. Your post on MDP is top flight, ******.

I am traveling the last two weeks of December for a
little mongering. My last trip of this kind was in 1994 to San Jose, Costa Rica. I enjoyed myself and availed myself of a sizable number of attractive young women. However, they were primarily 6-8 's. BA seems loaded with 8-10's ....and that peaks my interests .

So what's my quandry???

1#I'm undecided between Havana,Cuba and BA.
I would be very interested in any of you , my compadres ,sharing your info comparing these two.

2# Which of the three recommended mongering hotels [Artsuites, Designsuites, Etouile} would you guys advise?
[ I know Saint is unhappy with Etoiule's beds. ]

3#Lastly, my Spanish is pathetic, what system/method would you guys recommend ?

Rickster

[Saint]

Toosh!

Hey buddy. GREAT post. That is exactly what I wanted to hear. I especially appreciate the details about the hotel. Can you tell me if the Manantiales has nice beds? What else are the positives/negatives of the hotel. From the fact that you wanna switch hotels tells me that it might not be ideal for a lot of us that are pickier about our hotels.

I'm sure that you're right about Mayri being able to get cheaper prices. I talked to her on the phone the other day for about 1 1/2 hours. She's very, very friendly. Heck, even if I got the exact same price quote from a hotel I'd still use her because you never know when you're gonna need to plan for a bigger trip like this. (mayra@argentinago.com).

Toosh, judging from the price of the hotel i would guess it's probably what a 2-3 star hotel at best?? Keep the reports coming. Thanks in advance! Have fun and stay safe.

Saint

P.S. Do you know what the comment was that they said about you? Maybe you were with his daughter last night....Ha, ha.

[Toosh]

Hello from Mar del Plata!

Thank you Larry. This place is terrific. It´s a great place to visit (very European) and the Madajos pub (next to Sheradon) is every bit as good as you said it would be. Thanks again. Guys like you make it easy for the rest of us.

Let me also give kudos to Mayra at argentinago.com. She made all the arrangements for me and they went off without a hitch. She had a nice ride (not a shit hack taxi) pick me up at my apartment and take me to Newberry airport (14 pesos). At the other end she also had a decent ride take me to the Manantiales for 12 pesos.

I flew to MDP on a commuter prop from LAPA airlines. It only seated about 20 to 22 so it sure as hell is no 747 but I still thought it was safe. They said the plane was a Gulfstream J31. If you book this flight with Mayra get an A seat (not a B or C seat). The airport at MDP is not big so I´m not sure if you can book a flight on a larger plane but I gotta believe something bigger than a 22 seater flys in and out of there. The flight lasted 55 minutes and was uneventful.

The ride from the airport to the Manantiales lasted about 20 minutes. The Manantiales is not the Sheradon but it is still a nice place (small apartments) to stay at and a good value at 36 US dollars per night. The Manantiales has two towers (like the old World Trade Center) and Im at the Luna tower on the 22nd floor. Great view. They orginally put me on the 5th floor but that has a terrible view so I asked to be changed and they said ok. If your going to stay at the Manantiales get something on at least the 15 floor or higher. Also, each floor is divided into an A, B, C, or D apartment. The A and B have better views than the C or D.

I checked out the Sheradon yesterday and Larry is right. First rate with a great view of the golf course and the ocean. They quoted me a price of 110.00 US dollars per night. That may have been their gringo rate though. I cant help but believe that Mayra could get it for less. I also checked out another 5 star hotel called the Costa Galana. They wanted about 200 pesos per night. Nice place. Again, I think Mayra could get it for less.

The Madajos pub next to the Sheradon opens at 11 PM but your better off waiting till after midnight before going there. Thats when most of the girls are there. They stay open to 5 AM. There is an excellant selection to choose from. However, language was somewhat of a problem for me. Of the girls I talked to none of them spoke better than a poor english. Obviously, knowing Spanish would be a of tremendous assistance but since we all know the purposes of such places achieving my objective was never in doubt. If you have a pulse and a few pesos you will score and big.

The girl I finally ended up with was a girl who called herself Rosemary. She was a blond from Brazil but she is not the one Larry recommened to me in an earlier post. I do not know how a girl can get much prettier than Rosemary. Her face was a flat out 10 and her body an 8. Beautiful eyes. I would rate her attitude and service at about an 8. She gave me a BBBJ and covered conventional sex (no anal) for about an hour. She then proceeded to give me a great massage. I paid 186 pesos total but that included several extra drinks for me, 2 drinks for the girl, and 100 pesos for Rosemary. GREAT VALUE and GREAT SERVICE. I cant waite to get back tonight as there are several other ladies there that I am extremely interested in. Two days is not enough.

If it is at all possible I will paly some golf this afternoon. The course by the Sheardon is looking pretty good. Temperatures today is suppose to be about 55 and the wind is not too bad.


Notes and observations:
I ran into my first instance of anti-americanism yesterday. I heard a gringo comment directed toward me in a store. Considering the economic situation here and Secretary O´Neils comments I´m surprised there is not more of it. The vast majority of people here have been great.

[High on Hobbyin]

LA Larry

RE: Truthfully, you're better off staying at Hotel Manantiales. (You can get a 1 bedroom apartment with a kitchen and balcony on the 25th floor looking over the ocean.

After reading about all the great tales of hobbyin' in Argentina, I'm lusting for a trip. I'm thinking late November/ early December or late January/early February. Any preferences between the two periods weather wise or holiday/festival wise?

How safe is the 5 hour train ride? By that I mean it's route (considering current economic times) as well as the safety of one's self and luggage. Are the trains similar to Euro trains where you're luggage is overhead and you don't dare fall asleep or it may not be there later? Approximately what would one expect to pay for a round trip train ride compared to a flight?

Where is the Hotel Manantiales in relation to the Sheraton and what star rating would you give it? Any ideas on the rates? 700 Internet cafes? How large is MDP? And by European and sophisticated should one take it to mean that people in MDP tend to dress rather fashionable. And how does this compare to Buenos Aires? I don't wish to be seen as impolite or the tacky tourist.

How would you split your time between BA and MDP for either a one week or two week trip?

Thank you in advance for your thoughts!

[Saint]

Can anyone else that has been in Mar Del Plata give me a detailed overview on the scene there? I know right now it is their off season, but I'm planning an extensive trip towards the end of the year to BA and Mar Del Plata and want up to date and accurate information.

ACCURATE information like good hotels that are truly nice with good rooms and importantly BEDS. Good staff, etc.

Good clubs with the names of them, directions, etc. What type of girls were there?

Also, if anyone knows of any other cities that are worth going to near the water that is prettier than MDP. I'm game. I just don't want to waste valuable days in other cities if the action isn't comparable to BA.

Keep me posted. Thanks.

[Hulk]

mro:

This year alone I've made six trips down to BA on business. I've also traveled to both Rio and Sao Paulo very frequently on business for the last three years. Even though I travel on business, I still manage to hook up with girls almost every day in both countries.

I'd agree with your impression that girls in Argentina are more pro-oriented than Brazilian girls. Yes, you can find a GFE in Argentina, but it is more readily available in Brazil. And while a BBBJ (which I strongly prefer) is not standard practice in Argentina, it is readily available in Brazil.

Because I've been to both countries so much, I've also gone to regular non-pro discos, clubs, and bars. And in my experience, the friendliness and chance of scoring with non-pro girls has been much higher in Brazil.

This has been my experience in BA. I've never been to Mar Del Plata but have a big interest in going partly because I suspect the girls might not be as pro-oriented as in BA.

As far as hotel vs. apartment, I'd suggest a hotel. In BA, even the highest class hotels will allow guests into your room. As you probably know this is not the case in Rio, where an apartment is the way to go. In Sao Paulo I've also found that the best hotels will also allow guests without a problem.

[mro]

to LA Larry.

Brasil (Rio in particular) had been my favourite destination for years : now, I am planning a trip to Argentina....

All of you guys, know how easy is getting GFE in Brasil : it is plenty
of free-lancers (Mostly amateurs) ; you can get them at reasonable price, 90% are all-nighters and even day-activity offers a good variety of choices.

Beaches are filled with amateurs and when not interested in scoring with them, you can have a good time anyway... drinking, chating, etc..

Rio (But not only) has free-lancers "facilities" like "Help" or beaches in front of "Rio Othon" and "Le Meridien".

To make a long story short : the scene in Argentina seems to be much more professional than Rio, Fortaleza, etc... : now, short time "sessions" are not my cup of tea, but it seems that in Argentina most of the chicas go for short rounds (1-2 hours), especially in BA.

What's your opinion ? Would you recommend to stay in a Hotel or apartment? Have you ever tried Area Vip Escort Agency?

Thanks and Regards

[LA Larry]

Sorry Hulk cant tell you 100% if all the girls are there in JUNE? JULY and AUGUST---I was there in March.

I can tell you that every chica i was with lived there full time year round.

I would definitely go there in the argentine winter.

On the other hand-- i have never been there in the summer but i sense that its very crowded in the summer for my tastes.

[Hulk]

Are there many girls available in Mar Del Plata during these winter months? Or do they only come into this resort town for the summer months?

[LA Larry]

Answers to your questions

The Sheraton is absolutely girl friendly. So is the Hotel Manantiales. (I stayed at the Sherton in March and had several girls up to my room. The Sherton is pricey however (by Argentinian standards. It is however a fantastic, 5 star (?) hotel, nicer than any Sheraton I've ever stayed at in the states). Truthfully, you're better off staying at Hotel Manantiales. (You can get a 1 bedroom apartment with a kitchen and balcony on the 25th floor looking over the ocean.

On the Plus side, the Sheraton is directly across from the Golf Course and only 1 block 75 yards from a fantastic(!) hobby bar called Malojacos (spelling?).

I absolutely adored Mar Del Plata. Found it very safe. The cab drivers are outstandingly amiable and honest to a fault.

The commercial area of MDP is great fun--filled with energy and tons of shops (hundreds of internet cafes) feels very much like Italy of the South of France. Movie theaters, outdoor cafes by the hundreds. This is in no way shape or form a one horse town. You can walk for miles and miles in the commercial district and be amazed at how pleasant the place is.

The newspaper girls are very cheap (though can be hit or miss!)

The bar girls at Maljacos (!) will drive you wild. Honest to god--I can't stop thinking about Mar Del Plata....

It has the beautiful women of Buenos Aires but in a resort like setting. If I had to choose where I would go next in the world:
Rio, Sao Paulo, BA or MDP. I would rank MDP number 1. That's how crazy I am about the place.

Don't get me wrong--there are areas that are a little run down, the streets are cracked, there are some stray doggies lopping about and because of the argentinian economy the city could be in better shape. But aside from that--it is a wonderful place.

The Beaches are fantastic. (visit the South Beaches) And the girls are stunning. The overall attitude is extremely laid back.

I'm a very restless sort and get sick of places extremely fast. (Was recently in the DR and was ready to get the hell out of their after 5 days of so). But Mar Del Plata was a dream. You could easily spend a month there without it getting stale.

Last note--the regular girls that walk around the city are spectacular. They all look Italian. (They don't even look like latinas) They have beautiful brown skin and blue eyes. What specimens! I would go on a walk about and just about trip over my tongue at the stunning chicks! No exageration. In an hour you will see--hundreds of beautiful girls.

Can't really say what your chances are at hooking up with regular girls. (This isn't the DR).

[JetSetter]

Larry,

Firstly, hats off to ya for some splendidly informative posts.

I'm heading to argentina in september for couple of weeks. After reading many many posts, I've decided to ditch RIO (crime scene sounds too heavy) and go with BA and MDP.

Is september too much 'off peak' to pick up chicas in either place?

secondly, is MDP crime free? i'm not turned on by being robbed in the street. can you recommend any good hotels which are girl friendly in MDP?

Thirdly, does MDP have any massage/sauna type places where chicas can be had?

Many thnx in advance.

[Hulk]

Is the Sheraton girl-friendly?

[LA Larry]

Mar Del Plata is a resort town 5 hours south by train from Buenos Aires (45 minute by plane).....It looks sort of like the French City of nice--but a little worse for wear (in a good way, though) People are extremely European and sophisticated. Streets brimming with stores (must be 700 internet cafes in the downtown area.) Excellent, dirt cheap restaurants. Nice golf course. Great beaches.

The ultimate place to visit is a bar called Mallojos (unsure of spelling) It is only one block south of the Brand New 5 star Sheraton Hotel.

Tons of quality girls (its like a mini-help, in my mind's eye). Approximately 40 babes all on the program. Mosty 7s, 8s A few 9s, the occasional 10. (Also some 5s thrown in to the bargain).

Starting rate to take the girl out is 150 pesos (girls will always accept 100 pesos) plus two exit drinks.

There are a few other spots in MDP but none that compare to Mallojos.

[Jackson]

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